[1.a. Municipal Complex Campus Solicitation Discussion and Direction Presented by Gerard Yetming, Damian Johnson, and Julian Zuniga from Colliers International]

THIS IS BEING PRESENTED BY GERALD YETMING, DAMIEN JOHNSON AND JULIA JULIENNE ZUNIGA FROM COLLIERS INTERNATIONAL.

WITH APOLOGIES FOR DESTROYING YOUR NAMES. MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY.

WHILE THE COLLIERS TEAM IS TAKING THEIR PLACE AND PREPARING FOR THE PRESENTATION, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT YOU AUTHORIZED US TO TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS EXISTING COMPLEX IN THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMPLEX.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE TEAM HAS DONE. AND SO THEY WENT OUT AND WE EXPLORED THE, THE POSSIBILITIES AND, AND RECEIVED TWO PROPOSALS. AND, AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE PROPOSALS, BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION OF THIS PRESENTATION IS RATHER THAN THE DETAILS OF THOSE PROPOSALS IS THE, IS THE CONCEPT IS THE APPROACH AND IS THE THE INTENTION AND THE DIRECTION FOR, FOR FOR THESE TWO POSSIBILITIES. AND, AND SO RATHER THAN YOU KNOW, FOCUSING ON THE DETAILS.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE THE POSSIBILITIES AND APPROACH, WHETHER IT'S FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE.

AND IF WE RECEIVE YOUR CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN, THEN WE'LL FOCUS ON YOU KNOW GETTING ALL THOSE DETAILS ARTICULATED AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION.

BUT WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JULIEN.

GERARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

TODAY, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS JUST WE'LL GIVE A QUICK RECAP OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE RFP AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND WHAT THE GOALS WERE WHEN WE STARTED OUT.

THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MARKETING THAT WE DID STARTING LAST YEAR AND THE RESULTS OF THEM.

AND THEN NEXT WE'LL GET INTO THE SIDE BY SIDE SORT OF ANALYSIS OF THE TWO BIDS THAT WE RECEIVED INCLUDING SORT OF THE OVERALL PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THEM.

SO LET ME START OFF BY JUST REFRESHING EVERYONE'S MEMORY ABOUT THE BACKGROUND AND WHAT'S LED LED TO ALL OF THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WE WERE TASKED TO DO WAS TO FIND A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL, AND ALSO TO SORT OF MAXIMIZE SOME OF THE CURRENT LAND HOLDINGS OF THE CITY.

THIS STEMMED FROM AN EARLIER STUDY THAT WAS DONE ON THE EXISTING CITY HALL, WHICH IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF ISSUES AND POTENTIAL GAPS IN WHAT WAS BEING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW SERVICES WERE BEING DELIVERED.

SO ALL OF THAT, WE SORT OF DEVELOPED A PLAN TO TRY AND FIND THESE DEVELOPERS WITH A FEW GOALS.

THE FIRST GOAL WAS REALLY, NUMBER ONE, TO CREATE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR THE RESIDENTS.

SO YOU HAVE A ONE STOP SHOP. YOU HAVE SORT OF ALL THE SERVICES IN ONE LOCATION.

THE NEXT GOAL WAS TO CREATE A DESTINATION FOR THE RESIDENTS, SO TO ADD SOME COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTS TO IMPROVE THE

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QUALITY OF LIFE. ANOTHER GOAL WAS CLEARLY TO TRY TO UPGRADE THE CITY HALL FACILITIES, TO MAKE IT SORT OF STATE OF THE ART AND CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER MODERN CITY HALLS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED BY SOME MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT FLORIDA.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE WANTED TO CREATE POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES FOR THE CITY LONG TERM.

SO WITH THOSE FOUR GOALS IN MIND, WE WENT OUT TO THE MARKET STARTING LAST YEAR, JUNE WITH WITH A MARKETING PROGRAM. WE HAD THE OFFERS DUE IN SEPTEMBER, END OF SEPTEMBER.

DURING THAT TIME, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS OR CONTACTED 190 DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, LOCAL, REGIONAL AND NATIONAL.

THE RESULT OF WHICH WAS WE RECEIVED THREE OFFERS.

ONE OF THOSE OFFERS WAS DISQUALIFIED BECAUSE IT CAME IN LATE AND IT WAS ALSO INCOMPLETE.

SO WE WERE LEFT WITH TWO OFFERS THAT WERE QUALIFIED.

WE'LL GO INTO THOSE SHORTLY. AND THEN FOLLOWING RECEIVING THOSE OFFERS, THERE WERE STAFF DEVELOPER CONFERENCES EARLIER THIS YEAR, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO IN JANUARY, WHERE STAFF MET WITH THE TWO BIDDERS.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JULIEN NOW, AND HE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THAT WE RECEIVED.

YEAH. THANK YOU. SO FOR NOW, WE'LL WE'LL WALK THROUGH HIGH LEVEL WHAT THE TWO PROPOSALS ARE WITH THE TWO DEVELOPERS ARE PROPOSING THAT WE BUILT ON FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND ON THE TWO SITES WE'LL GO IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

THE FIRST DEVELOPER IS ADLER DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE BASED IN.

THEY'RE HEADQUARTERED IN MIAMI, FLORIDA. THESE ARE THE TOTAL NUMBERS FOR THE PROJECT.

AND THEN WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN BETWEEN THE SITE THAT WE'RE SITTING ON NOW AND THE FUTURE POTENTIAL NEW CITY HALL AT NOB HILL.

SO ADLER IS PROPOSING A 112,500 SQUARE FOOT NEW MUNICIPAL CENTER, A THREE ACRE PARK, 55,000FT² OF RETAIL, 52,000FT² OF OFFICE ONE HOTEL WITH 150 ROOMS AND A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF 860 APARTMENTS AND TWO AND 20 TOWNHOMES AT NOB HILL.

THIS IS WHERE THEY ENVISION THE NEW CITY HALL, THE PUBLIC PARK.

THEY'RE ALL THERE. ALSO INCORPORATED, INCORPORATING A PADDLE COURT CONCEPT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC 43,000FT².

HERE THEY WOULD DO HALF OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, 430 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN FIVE STORIES.

THEY PROPOSE HERE 41,000FT² OF RETAIL. THE ENTIRE OFFICE COMPONENT ON THIS PARCEL, YOU KNOW, TO, TO CONNECT INTO THE CITY HALL AND THE, AND THE, AND THE HOTEL ON THIS SITE THAT WE'RE ON NOW.

IT'S THE SECOND HALF OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.

THE OTHER 430 UNITS, THEY HAVE A 20 TOWNHOME PROPOSED LAYOUT ON THIS SITE AS WELL.

HERE IT'S FOUR STORIES AND A SMALLER 14,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL COMPONENT.

THE OTHER DEVELOPER IS SONNENBLICK DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE BASED OUT OF JUPITER, SO BOTH ARE FLORIDA GROUPS.

THEY ALSO HAVE THE SAME VISION FOR THE SIZE OF THE CITY HALL, 112,500FT².

THEY ALSO ENVISION A PUBLIC PARK RETAIL. THEY HAVE A BIGGER COMPONENT 165,000FT².

THEY DID NOT INCORPORATE ANY OFFICE, BUT THEY HAVE A BIGGER HOSPITALITY COMPONENT WITH TWO HOTELS, 250 ROOMS. AND THEY HAVE 12,000 SORRY, 1250 APARTMENTS IN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.

SO ON NOB HILL, THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY CITY HALL, THE SAME AS THE OTHER PROPOSAL, THE PUBLIC PARK, 450 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN FIVE AND SIX STOREY BUILDINGS, 55,000FT² OF RETAIL AND THE TWO HOTELS ON THAT SITE ON THE ONE THAT ON THE SITE THAT WE'RE ON NOW, IT'S A HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH 800 UNITS.

ALSO IN FIVE AND SIX STOREYS AND A BIGGER RETAIL ENTERTAINMENT COMPONENT AT 110,000FT² OF RETAIL.

SO NOW LET'S GO THROUGH THE ADLER PROPOSAL HIGH LEVEL.

THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THEIR FULL SUBMITTAL. THE VISION THAT ADLER HAS IS INCORPORATING THE FOLLOWING EIGHT GOALS.

DEVELOP A NEW CITY HALL AND MUNICIPAL COMPLEX WITH THE 112,000FT², CREATING A VIBRANT, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, MIXED USE DESTINATION TO SERVE AS A FOCAL POINT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

INTEGRATING THE DIFFERENT USES RESIDENTIAL, OFFICE, HOTEL, RETAIL AND OBVIOUSLY THE MUNICIPAL USES UNLOCKING VALUE FOR THE CITY VIA GROUND LEASE STRUCTURES, PROPERTY TAXES, JOB CREATION AND QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS.

GENERATING ECONOMIC RETURNS TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC THAT WILL POTENTIALLY OFFSET SOME OR ALL OF THE CITY HALL FINANCING.

EXECUTE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

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ENHANCE COMMUNITY AMENITIES BY INCORPORATING PARKS, PLAZAS AND GREEN AREAS AND ALL THIS WHILE ENGAGING MEANINGFUL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

SO BOTH PROPOSALS HAVE IN DEPTH P THREE EXPERIENCE WE HIGHLIGHTED.

OH YEAH. THERE WE GO. SORRY. SO WE HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE P THREE EXPERIENCE THAT ADLER HAS.

THEY CURRENTLY ARE WORKING ON 2P3 PROJECTS WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI.

ONE OF THEM IS UNDER PARTIALLY FINISHED AT THE LINCOLN DOUGLAS, CITY OF MIAMI.

THEY'RE ALSO CURRENTLY BUILDING THE CITY OF MIAMI.

ADMIN BUILDING IN THE MIAMI FREEDOM PARK, WHERE THE INTER MIAMI STADIUM WAS JUST COMPLETED.

THEY GO REALLY IN DEPTH IN THEIR PROPOSAL, BUT THIS IS P3 EXPERIENCE WITH THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY THAT WE CHOSE TO HIGHLIGHT.

HERE IS THE DEVELOPER MASSING FOR THE NEW CITY HALL.

THEY HAVE THE NEW CITY HALL BUILDING AND THE CIVIC PLAZA ON THE CORNER OF NOB HILL ROAD WITH THE OFFICE AND RETAIL COMPONENTS RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND THE HOTEL.

AND THEN IN THE BACK, THEY HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WITH AN AMPHITHEATER IN THE MIDDLE.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SHARED WITH US. AND SOME RENDERINGS.

CITY HALL, THE PARK, AND THE OTHER USES. THIS IS THE MASSING FOR THE SITE THAT WE'RE ON. IT'S MORE FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL.

SO THEY HAVE A SMALLER COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL COMPONENT FACING THE MAIN ROAD.

THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN THE 20 TOWNHOMES.

ACTIVATING THE WATER FRONTAGE ON THE BACK OF THE SITE.

AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE MASSINGS FOR PROPOSED MASSING FOR THIS SITE.

NOW FOR SHAUN AND BLINK AGAIN. THIS IS TAKING THEIR VISION FROM THE FULL PROPOSAL THAT THEY SUBMITTED.

THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT WILL INCLUDE 112,000FT² OF THE CIVIC CENTER, DESIGNED TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC DESIRE.

THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES WILL INCLUDE 1250 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 165,000FT² OF RETAIL, TWO HOTELS TOTALING 250 KEYS, A PARK AND A PARKING STRUCTURE WITH 800 800 TO 1300 STALLS.

THEIR VISION INCLUDES A NEW CITY OF TAMARAC. THE NEW TAMARAC CITY HALL AND MUNICIPAL COMPLEX WILL BE A CIVIC LANDMARK THAT SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATES ADVANCED SUSTAINABILITY WITH A PROFOUND COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY CENTERED DESIGNS.

ITS ARCHITECTURAL IDENTITY WILL BE DEFINED BY A BOLD, FUNCTIONAL ESTHETIC DEDICATED TO ENVIRONMENTAL LEADERSHIP, EXPRESSED THROUGH A SIGNATURE SHADE CANOPY DESIGNED FOR NET ZERO PERFORMANCE.

SO THEY RECENTLY GOT AWARDED A P3 PROJECT WITH THE CITY OF RIVIERA BEACH FOR THEIR CITY HALL SPORTS COMPLEX AND MIXED USE MARINA. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TIMELINE IS FOR DEVELOPMENT.

THEY CAN THEY ADDRESS THAT IN THEIR PROPOSAL, BUT THIS IS A EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE IN A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE NEW CITY HALL. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ THERE, BUT THE CITY HALL IS IN THE CENTER WITH ALL THE USES SURROUNDING IT.

ACTIVATING THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. THEY HAVE THE RETAIL FACING NOB HILL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE BAR IN THE BACK. AND THESE ARE THE MASSINGS THAT THEY SHARED IN THE PROPOSALS.

ON THIS SITE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. AGAIN, THEY HAVE ALL THE USES RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND HOUSING IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE LAKE FRONTING PINE ISLAND. PINE ISLAND ROAD AND SOME OF THE MASSINGS THAT THEY SHARED WITH US.

AND THEN GET INTO THE FINANCIAL SUMMARY. SO THEY TAKE VERY DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO HOW THEY PLAN TO DO THIS PROJECT. SO IF I WERE TO SUMMARIZE, THEY'RE BOTH ASKING FOR 99 YEAR GROUND LEASES.

THEY'RE BOTH GUARANTEEING A SORT OF MINIMUM ANNUAL RENT OF HALF $1 MILLION.

WITH SOME ESCALATIONS IN ADLER'S CASE, THEY'RE DOING 3% PER YEAR OR CPI, WHICHEVER IS LOWER.

WITH BLAKE, THEY'RE DOING 20% EVERY TEN YEARS.

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THE REVENUE SHARING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

ADLER IS PROPOSING 4% OF ALL GROSS REVENUES. SO IF YOU HAVE A RENTAL COMMUNITY HOTEL AND RETAIL COMPONENTS, 4% OF ALL RENTS CONNECTED WOULD BE SHARED WITH THE CITY.

THE PROPOSAL PROPOSES THAT THEY SHARE 2% OF THE REVENUE OF THE HOTEL PIECE ONLY, AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING 250 ROOMS. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE. THE REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS IS IN THE ADLER CASE, THE CITY HALL IS GOING TO BE OWNED AND BUILT BY THE CITY.

IN CASE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT FOR YOU, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU RENT FOR IT FOR 30 YEARS.

AND THEN AT THE END OF 30 YEARS, THEY GIVE IT TO YOU FOR A DOLLAR.

SO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STRUCTURES. THEY BOTH PROJECT TAX BENEFITS, RIGHT? FROM THE INCREMENTAL TAXES IN, IN ADLER'S CASE IT WAS 600 MILLION IN NOMINAL TAX BENEFITS.

OVER 99 YEARS. IF YOU PUT IT INTO NET PRESENT VALUE INTO TODAY'S DOLLARS, IT WORKS OUT ABOUT $100 MILLION BASED ON THE MATH INDICATED THAT THE TAX BENEFITS FROM THEIR PROPOSAL WAS ABOUT $180 MILLION.

IN BOTH CASES THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SIMILAR BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE FAIRLY SIMILAR PROGRAMING.

I MEAN SONNENBERG HAS SLIGHTLY MORE UNITS. AND ADLER.

SO YOU KNOW, THE TAX BENEFIT COULD POTENTIALLY BE HIGHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE UNITS AND MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE BEING DEVELOPED. THE OVERALL PROJECTED TAX BENEFITS ARE QUITE STRONG IN TERMS OF ADLER THEIR NET PRESENT VALUE.

SO IN TODAY'S DOLLARS IS $180 MILLION FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

SO THEIR NOMINAL BENEFITS AT $600 MILLION. AND AGAIN, THAT'S OVER 99 YEARS.

AND IN BOTH OF THOSE CASES, THE ULTIMATE BENEFITS OVER 99 YEARS FAR OUTWEIGHS THE, THE INITIAL COST, RIGHT? IN THE CASE OF ADLER, YOUR INITIAL COST IS YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE, YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE CITY HALL AND SO ON.

AND BLAKE'S CASE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE RENT FOR 30 YEARS.

SO THE, THE ISSUE BECOMES SORT OF HOW THIS IS ALL FUNDED.

IN ADLER'S CASE, THERE WOULD BE REQUIREMENT FOR A CITY BOND IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE INITIAL A COST TO DEVELOP THE CITY HALL.

IN. IN CASE THEY'RE GOING TO FUND THE ENTIRE THING.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CITY HALL AND CHARGE YOUR RENT.

THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL OBLIGATION IS FAIRLY SIMILAR AS WELL IN TERMS OF A BOND.

AGAIN, WE JUST DID SORT OF A ROUGH ESTIMATE BASED ON A 5% INTEREST RATE, WHAT THAT BOND WOULD COST THE CITY.

AND IT'S ABOUT $5 MILLION A YEAR. AND SO IN CASE YOU RENT THAT THEY PROPOSE IS AROUND $5 MILLION A YEAR AS WELL.

THE ISSUE BECOMES THE TIMING OF THE BENEFITS RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE KNOW EVENTUALLY THE BENEFITS FAR OUTWEIGH THE COSTS OF IT.

AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IF WE ARE YOU KNOW, INSTRUCTED TO DO SO IS TO WORK WITH WITH 1 OR 2 OF THOSE GROUPS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THAT GAP AND HOW THAT GAP WILL BE ADDRESSED.

SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION AS OF YET IN TERMS OF THE TIMING OF THIS TO MAKE A FIRM DECISION. BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR HERE IS JUST SOME IDEAS AND CONSENSUS ON WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD BE TAKING.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE OR, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT SORT OF WHERE WE WANT TO BE GOING.

UNDERSTOOD. EXACTLY. CITY MANAGER. NO GERARD SAID IT.

SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO MAKE DECISIONS IN TERMS OF THIS ONE OR THAT ONE.

WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE HAVE ENOUGH INTEREST TO PURSUE THESE EXCITING PROJECTS.

I'M GOING TO ASK FOR SOME MORE CLARIFICATION. I ALSO AM NOT SEEING ANYBODY TURNING OVER YET.

WE'RE BEING ASKED TO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE DETAILS PER SE RIGHT NOW.

WE WANT TO KNOW IF WE'RE OKAY WITH A 99 YEAR LEASE IN GENERAL.

AND ARE WE? TALKING ABOUT THE DETAILS LIKE HOTEL VERSUS SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR RETAIL? AND NONE OF THAT. YEAH. AS WE, AS WE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, MAYOR, NONE OF THOSE DETAILS ARE SETTLED.

AND SO ALL OF THAT IS SUBJECT TO FURTHER CONVERSATION, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE COMMISSION.

I THINK THE DIRECTION WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE THE VISION OF THE CITY VISION OF THE COMMUNITY TO PURSUE THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

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AND SO BEFORE WE GET ALL THOSE DETAILS SETTLED OR BEFORE WE BRING ALL THOSE DETAILS BACK TO YOU WE NEED DIRECTION IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW TAKING THE NEXT STEP. THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES IN THE PROGRAMING.

I MEAN, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES. ONE HAS MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAN THE OTHER.

ONE HAS MORE RETAIL, ONE HAS MORE HOTEL. I THINK THAT THOSE THINGS CAN BE TWEAKED, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THE DIFFERENCES ARE THAT SUBSTANTIAL AND THAT THEY WON'T BE RESOLVED IN FURTHER DISCUSSION OR NEGOTIATION ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THE CITY WANTS.

THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THAT THEY BOTH TAKE VERY DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO HOW THIS DEAL IS GOING TO BE STRUCTURED, RIGHT? ONE IS SAYING, HEY, YOU GUYS ARE SORT OF INITIALLY ON THE HOOK FOR BUILDING CITY HALL, AND EVENTUALLY THE MONEY IS GOING TO MORE THAN COVER IT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE OTHER ONE IS SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT FOR YOU, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY US RENT. AND AT THE END OF IT, YOU GET YOU GET IT FOR FREE, RIGHT? BUT AFTER 30 YEARS OF BEING A RENT. AND SO THERE'S SORT OF ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE WANT TO KNOW.

NUMBER ONE IS EITHER ONE OF THESE SOMETHING THAT IS YOU KNOW, A FRAMEWORK THAT THE CITY IS INTERESTED IN.

AND SECOND SECONDARILY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN, KNOW WHICH ONE OF THE TWO DIRECTIONS IS PREFERABLE.

FOR ME RIGHT NOW I'M. AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER JUST TURNED OVER HIS CARD.

I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE BEING ABLE TO PARSE OUT SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THE DETAILS, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.

I'M FINE WITH THE 99 YEAR LEASE. I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT IT'S A SMART WAY TO GO. I THINK IT BRINGS MONEY BACK IN.

IT'S A WISE BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL, ALL INVOLVED.

SO THAT PART FOR ME IS A NO BRAINER. I AM A LITTLE STUCK ON WHY ONLY THREE SUBMITTED OUT OF 190.

WHAT'S WHAT'S THE ISSUE? I DON'T HEAR MUCH AND I KNOW I'M IN THE WEEDS FOR SOME OF THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO PROTECT THEM BETTER.

WE'VE GOT A FIRE STATION 5015 OVER AT NOB HILL.

NOT DISCUSSED. WE HAVE BSO AND FIRE STATION 41 HERE.

NOT DISCUSSED. I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A CONVERSATION TO CARVE IT OUT HERE, BUT PERSONALLY I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

I'VE NOT LIKED THAT PART. THOSE BUILDINGS NEED HELP AND 41 HAS BEEN THE ONLY FIRE STATION NOT REDONE.

AND JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE, I'M VSO BY THE WAY, IS INCLUDED IN THE IN THE FUTURE CITY HALL.

MOVING OVER TO CITY HALL. NOT NOT 41, 41 STATION 15 REMAINS THE SAME.

SO IT'S NOT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE LIKE A STAR SAYING IT'S STILL HERE.

SO I KNOW IT'S JUST AN OVERVIEW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

BUT ALSO OUR DIRT, OUR TRUCKS, OUR FLEET IN THESE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE DESIGNS, THEY'RE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR.

SO I WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POINT WHERE I'M SAYING YES OR NO TO SOMETHING.

AND THEN BECAUSE I DIDN'T BRING IT UP, NOW WE GET BURNED IN THE FUTURE.

I'M A LITTLE SHELL SHOCKED ON SOME OF THAT. AND YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE DETAILS WILL HAVE.

IT'S DAY IN THE SUNSHINE AND, AND BUT YOU KNOW FIRST WE NEED CONCEPTUAL CONSENSUS IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE INTEREST ON, ON THE COMMISSION'S PART FOR, FOR MOVING FORWARD.

A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

RIGHT. BUT IF WE DON'T ADDRESS SOME OF THEM NOW AND WE'RE GOING OUT AND WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS AND THEN SUN AND.

AND ADLER DECIDE TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ADD ON AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT AD AND WHY DIDN'T WE DISCUSS IT BY OUR CARDS? NOT ALL OUT ON THE TABLE FOR US TO TRULY MAKE AN EASY DECISION WHEN IT COMES AND NOT HAVE TO GO AND DELAY MORE AND DELAY MORE, I FEEL THAT THESE ARE JUST MORE THINGS TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, AND THINGS BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE AT THAT TIME AND HARDER TO MOVE.

I DON'T DO WE REALLY HAVE A CITY NEED AND I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER THIS FOR 250 BED HOTEL.

WHAT KIND OF HOTEL? A PROJECT THAT WE DID THAT I WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF AND I STILL AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT HAD A DESCRIPTION OF THE HOTEL WE WERE GOING TO HAVE WITH CERTAIN DETAILS ABOUT THE HOTEL WE WERE GOING TO HAVE. AND THEN WITHOUT KNOWING IT AFTER IT'S BUILT, CERTAIN DETAILS ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE. THAT'S WHY I'M AFRAID OF JUST SAYING YES OR NO TO ONE OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE I FEEL HAVING FEET PUTS THE FIRE IN THE FUTURE IN THIS CONVERSATION AND THOSE QUESTIONS MAYOR SOME OF THE THE INVESTMENT DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE PART OF THESE TWO PROPOSALS.

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WE'D LIKE TO THINK THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE THEIR, THEIR FINGER ON THE PULSE OF THE THE THE MARKETPLACE AND THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A MORE VIABLE INVESTMENT COMPARED TO SOMETHING ELSE.

AND SO IF THEY'RE SUGGESTING TO, YOU KNOW, 250 DOORS YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR HOTEL DEVELOPMENT, I SUPPOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY LOOK AT SOME MARKET DATA AND THEY LOOK AT THEIR YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT STRATEGIES AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ACCORDINGLY.

SO BUT AGAIN, ALL OF THESE DETAILS ARE YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO FUTURE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE IT'S FINALIZED. AND SO THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR A AN EVALUATION OF THESE TWO PROPOSALS OR, OR SOLUTIONS.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING HERE IS, IS IN GENERAL TERMS, THESE ARE THE FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS.

ONE IS, IS YOU KNOW, CITY FUNDED DEVELOPMENT.

THE OTHER ONE IS DEVELOPER FUNDED DEVELOPMENT WITH, WITH ANNUAL PAYMENTS, WHICH MAY COME TO THE SAME YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL BOTTOM LINE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME DO WE WANT TO PURSUE THIS IDEA, THIS VISION FURTHER? WE UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE DETAILS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE CRITICAL AND THEY HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AND THE IDEAS THAT THEY WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT PHASE, IF THIS IS EVEN SOMETHING THAT WANTS TO BE CONSIDERED.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS IS THE COMMISSION OKAY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE THE NUMBER ONE, THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO EXIST ON THOSE SITES.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT LEVEL OF UNITS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 850 AND 1200 UNITS, ONLY TWO PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOR SIX STORY TYPE CONSTRUCTION BUILDINGS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW CITY HALL COMPONENT. AND THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF INITIAL CAPITAL OUTLAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO FINANCE IT. BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A COMMITMENT ON THE PART OF THE CITY IN ORDER TO FUND EITHER THE RENT OR YOU KNOW, TO PAY FOR THE BOND. WHILE THOSE PROJECTS GET UP AND RUNNING AND ALL OF THE MONEY STARTS COMING IN FROM THEM BECAUSE THERE IS REAL MONEY THAT IS GOING TO BE REVENUE THAT'S GOING TO BE GENERATED BASED ON YOUR REVENUE SHARING, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S SIGNIFICANT TO THE CITY, BUT IT TAKES SOME TIME TO BUILD THEM UP, STABILIZE THEM, AND THEN START COLLECTING THE RENTS. AND WE ALWAYS SAY IT'S NOT ABOUT NOW, IT'S ABOUT THE THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO FROM DEVELOPING FUTURE REVENUE SOURCES IN THE, IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE POSSIBILITY OF PROPERTY TAX REFORMS AND OTHER CHALLENGES THAT MAY THE CITY MAY BE FACING.

THESE ARE THE KINDS OF YOU KNOW, EFFORTS THAT WE WANT TO BRING UP TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION THAT WILL PROVIDE ALL THESE FUTURE POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST THE THE CITY HALL IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE SORT OF IDLE FACILITIES. YOU KNOW AND OBVIOUSLY CITY HALL IS A, IS A PROBLEM ALL BY ITSELF.

SOONER OR LATER, MAYBE IN OUR TIME, MAYBE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, A LITTLE LATER IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

I'VE BEEN THE VOCAL ONE FOR YEARS, WANTING SOMETHING TO BE DONE.

OUR BUILDING IS SICK. OUR FIRE STATION IS SICK, OUR VSO IS SICK.

THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK IN OUR BUILDINGS.

THIS IS NOT. I KNOW PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S. OH, IT'S COSMETIC, IT'S THE BUILDING IS SICK.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOSING GOOD EMPLOYEES TO DEAL WITH HEALTH ISSUES.

WE KEEP WAITING ANY LONGER, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.

ON TOP OF THE ESTHETICS AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE OUTGROWN IT AND OUR CITY HAS GROWN SINCE THE 5000 PEOPLE WE HAD WHEN IT STARTED AND ALL THIS KIND OF GOOD STUFF.

EVEN, YOU KNOW, 60 AT IN 2010 AND NOW WE'RE AT 72, 74.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE AND IT NEEDS TO BE A SMART CHANGE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING I AM NOT FOR SOMETHING. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IT'S A SMART CHANGE AND THAT IT'S GOING TO ACCOMMODATE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WHEN YOU DO ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION, EVERYONE AROUND YOU, IT'S YOU'RE GOING TO BE MISERABLE FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE BENEFIT WILL OUTWEIGH THE SLIGHT TIME OF THE INCONVENIENCE.

I ALSO SEE SOME OF THE NUMBERS. AND I'M JUST GOING TO DO A OR B LIKE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NAME OF THE COMPANY.

I DON'T KNOW THESE COMPANIES. BUT LOOKING AT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL BENEFITS, IT APPEARS WE ARE SET TO BE IN A

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LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FINANCIAL BENEFIT GOING WITH WHEN WE PAY FOR OUR OWN RENT VERSUS $5 MILLION ISH FOR 30 YEARS IS ABOUT $150 MILLION AND NO CONTROL OVER THE BUILDING OF OUR OWN CITY HALL.

AND I'M GOING TO USE THIS EXAMPLE OF COLONY WEST.

WE DID THIS AND WE HAD OUR PARTNER BUILD IT, BUT NOT IN A TIME FRAME THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD WITHIN.

THINGS GOT MORE EXPENSIVE. WE WOUND UP CUTTING OUT THE SECOND FLOOR KITCHEN, MAKING IT SMALLER, AND DOING THINGS THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE EYE OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL PROJECT WAS TO BEGIN WITH.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN. I WANT TO NOT HAVE TO WORRY THAT WHEN WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION, WE'RE WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT PASSING IT OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE.

SO FOR RIGHT NOW ON THOSE ITEMS, I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS US FIGURING OUT HOW TO PAY THE RENT.

DOES THE MONEY THAT FIGURING OUT HOW TO BUILD THE BUILDING ACTUALLY, I GUESS BUILD THE BUILDING.

YEAH. NOT PAY THE RENT. SORRY. YOU'RE RIGHT. THE BASE RENT.

WHEN DOES THE MONEY COME TO US? SO DO WE. WE OWN THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE FOR THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. ARE WE GOING TO GET PAID AT THE TIME OF THINGS BEING CONSTRUCTED? IS THERE MONEY COMING IN FROM 250 K? DO YOU RECALL THE TIMING OF IT OF THE GROUND LEASE.

YEAH. THE MINIMUM PAYMENTS? NO, IF I REMEMBER THE THE ADLER LEASE STARTED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE THE LEASE AGREEMENT YOU START GETTING MONEY BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.

CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED, BUT NOT DURING DEMOLITION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

LIKE IT STARTS RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT THE SIGNING OF THE OF THE LEASE.

LET ME JUST CONFIRM NOW. CAN YOU LOOK UP? LOOK FURTHER.

WITHIN 30 DAYS OF TAKING POSSESSION. ADLER WILL START PAYING 250 K FOR THIS LOCATION.

AND THEN IN THE FUTURE PHASES WANTS TO TAKE POSSESSION OF THAT NEXT PHASE.

THEY PAY THE ADDITIONAL 250,000. SO IT'S 500 K IN ALL.

250 FOR EACH SITE. AND THEY START PAYING WITHIN 30 DAYS OF TAKING POSSESSION OF THE SITE.

OKAY. EACH ONE. NOW, WHAT WE ARE NOT CLEAR ON IS WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE IT PHASED, BUT WHAT'S UNCLEAR.

CAN YOU SPECIFY WHEN. 250 K PER YEAR OR PER MONTH? 250 K PER YEAR. PER MONTH WOULD BE LOVELY. MONTH WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY LOVELY.

OKAY. I MEAN, I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BIGGER NUMBERS THAT MAY SEEM SMALL, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THINGS.

YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING. WELL, I HAVE I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE DETAIL OF DESIGN AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT SOME OF THE ASPECTS, BUT SINCE YOU ASKED US ABOUT THE APPROACH, THE INTENTION AND DIRECTION, RIGHT NOW I'M FEELING MORE TOWARDS COLUMN A, ME CALL ME.

YEAH, IT SEEMS THAT IT'LL BE A BETTER FINANCIAL PICTURE FOR THE CITY.

THE EXPENSE OF THE BUILD IS POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS AND MORE CONTROL OF, OF THE ASPECTS FOR IT.

AND A MORE. PARTNERSHIP ON THE SPLITTING OF THE, OF THE CAPITAL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY VERSUS JUST IF WE GET LUCKY, THE HOTEL IS FULL AND I STILL HAVING TROUBLE ON THAT ONE, BUT THAT'S MY INITIAL COMMENT. COMMISSIONER. RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MADAM KENT. RIGHT. KEN. KEN. SORRY.

NO. JOY. GERARD. YEAH, SORRY. GERARD. THAT'S OKAY.

SO I DID EXTENSIVE STUDY ON THESE CITY HALLS.

MARGATE. VOLKER SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING MY HOMEWORK.

THIS DEAL. SO YOU'RE SAYING MPV, WHICH IS 180 MILLION -75 THAT WERE ALL CLEAN.

SO REALLY AND TRULY, WE'RE ONLY GETTING 110 MILLION.

IT LOOKS FANCY, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE NOT CORRECT BECAUSE WHAT IS THE APPRAISAL OF THE LAND RIGHT NOW?

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WHAT IS WHAT IS THIS LAND WORTH? WE VALUE THE LAND.

WHAT DID WE VALUE? OUT OF ABOUT 40 MILLION. 40 FOR BOTH OF THEM.

SO 80 MILLION. NO, NO. 40 TOTAL. TOTAL. SO 40 MILLION FOR BOTH.

I THINK IT WAS 45. 45 MILLION. SO 45 MILLION IS THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE LAND.

YEAH. AND WE'RE GETTING 110 MILLION IN TERMS OF OVER 99 YEARS.

WELL, THAT'S IN TODAY'S VALUE. NOMINALLY IT'S IT'S OVER A BILLION.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WELL, THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY IS NOT WORTH THE SAME THING IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW. SO NPV MEANS WHAT THAT BILLION DOLLARS IS WORTH RIGHT NOW.

CORRECT. AND YOU DISCOUNTED IT FOR EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD. YEAH.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT NPV MEANS. YEAH. SO 180 IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER.

180 MINUS IS 75 TO BUILD. YEAH. AND MOST TIMES IN THESE P3, THE DEVELOPERS PAY FOR IT.

I STARTED THE PROPOSAL MOST TIMES. ISN'T THAT HOW IT WORKS? THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR THE FOR THE CITY HALL IN BOCA THEY DID.

BOCA IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF LOCATION AND THE TYPES OF RENTS YOU CAN GET THERE. THE ECONOMICS ARE A LOT DIFFERENT. WHEN THEY DIDN'T, THEY USUALLY IN THESE, THESE P3 PARTNERSHIP, THE DEVELOPER PAYS AND OAKLEY THEIR MONEY FOR THE CITY HALL.

YEAH. I'M SAYING THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMICS OF THAT PARTICULAR MARKET.

THE ECONOMICS FOR BUILDING A PROJECT IN BOCA IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THOSE RENTALS THAN IT WOULD BE HERE, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, IN A PLACE LIKE BOCA, THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ECONOMIC STRUCTURE.

AND IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE BOCA TOTAL VALUE WAS 4 BILLION, THE NPV WAS 300 MILLION.

THEY WERE TAKING THE OLD POLICE STATION AND BUILDING A NEW POLICE STATION IN SPANISH RIVER, WHICH IS WHAT CONSOLIDATING KIND OF DOING THE SAME THING.

SO THEY WERE GIVING UP LAND AND THEN THEY WERE GIVING LAND AND OBVIOUSLY WENT TO A REFERENDUM.

THE CITY HALL FAILED, 75% WERE AGAINST IT. AND THEN THE POLICE USUALLY PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS USUALLY DON'T FAIL.

THEY GOT 54%. SO YOU'RE SAYING BOCA'S DIFFERENT, WHICH IS WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WERE OFFERING, BUT THE PEOPLE STILL REJECT IT. AND THE NUMBERS FOR BOCA IN TERMS OF THE HOTEL AND ALL THAT STUFF, IT WAS A HIGHER AMOUNT, RIGHT? SAME THING IN MARGATE.

THE AMOUNT IS HIGHER OF WHAT THEY'RE GETTING, AND THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR HOTEL FRANCHISE SHARING IS BETWEEN 4 AND 6%, AND THEY'RE ONLY OFFERING 2%. SO BASED ON MY RESEARCH, THE INDUSTRY NORM IS 4 TO 6%.

THAT'S THE FRANCHISE FEE. BUT THIS IS MORE A REVENUE SHARE.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SWEETENER ON TOP OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THE LAND LEASE.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE CASE IS DIFFERENT IN MARGATE.

THEY ALSO HAD, I BELIEVE, SOME CRAY MONEY THAT I THINK $30 MILLION, WHICH DEFINITELY HELPED OFFSET THE INITIAL COST AND MADE THE BIDDERS, YOU KNOW, IT AFFECTED THEIR FINANCIAL UNDERWRITING, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE.

AND IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DIDN'T GET AS MANY OFFERS ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

BUT BUT YEAH, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEAL DOESN'T LOOK AS GOOD ON PAPER AS SOME OF THOSE OTHERS, BUT EVERY SINGLE SITUATION IS DIFFERENT.

MAY I ADD, GERARD, THAT YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S FRAMED IN A, IN A P3 YOU KNOW, ARRANGEMENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW THERE IS NO EQUITY ON, ON WHAT WE'RE GIVING AND WHAT WE'RE TAKING IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE, P3 AGREEMENTS. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EQUITY THAT THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE LOOKING FOR.

AND SO IN BOCA, THAT EQUITY THAT THE CITY IS OFFERING IS CLEARLY MUCH HIGHER THAN THE VALUE OF THE EQUITY THAT WE'RE OFFERING HERE IN TAMARAC. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE LOCATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY I TOTALLY GET LOCATION.

I'M JUST SAYING, IN TERMS OF THIS NEW P3 PARTNERSHIP WITH DEVELOPERS AND CDS AND BUILDING CITY HALLS AND TAKING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT'S LAND AND LISTENING FOR 99 YEARS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF BRAND NEW. SO WE'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE CITIES ARE KIND OF LIKE THE GUINEA PIGS.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A CHANGE IN SENTIMENT.

OKAY, GREAT. I SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT WELL, THEY GOT THE PROPOSAL AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE VALUE IN TERMS OF NPV.

BECAUSE THE NUMBER I'M LOOKING AT IS NPV. THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY IS WORTH.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO LOOK. IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS ON AN NPV BASIS, WHAT ARE YOUR CHOICES? YOUR CHOICES ARE. BUT I DON'T HAVE AN MPP FOR THE OTHER ONE. YOU DON'T. YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN ME AN MPP FOR. SO WHAT IS IT? YEAH. THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE ONE TO US, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN ORDER TO GENERATE IT. SO. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING A GOOD DEAL FOR MY RESIDENTS, IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MONEY IS WORTH TODAY IN TERMS OF NOMINAL VALUE ON TODAY'S MONEY.

WELL, THEY GAVE US A NOMINAL AMOUNT. SO THE ADLER PROPOSAL, THE MPV VALUE, THE MPV VALUE,

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BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT, OKAY, SO THIS GUY IS DOING 1 BILLION AND HE'S 180.

SO HALF OF 1 BILLION IS ABOUT 600 MILLION. SO OBVIOUSLY HIS NUMBER'S GOING TO BE LOWER IN TERMS OF MPV.

YEAH IT WILL. I MEAN LET'S SAY IT'S $100 MILLION, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DO THE MATH ON IT, BUT IF YOU USE THE SAME RATIO, IF IT'S, IF $1 BILLION TRANSLATES TO 1.8, 180 MILLION IN NPV, THEN 600 MILLION WILL TRANSLATE TO ABOUT 100 MILLION IN NPV AND HAVE TO PAY HIM 80 MILLION FOR A CITY HALL. THAT'S ONLY 20 MILLION OVER A 99 YEAR PERIOD.

WELL, THE CITY HALL. THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING IT.

SO YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE CITY. WHAT YOU'RE PAYING THEM IS $5 MILLION FOR 30 YEARS.

5 MILLION FOR 30 YEARS. THAT'S A LOT MORE MONEY.

FIVE TIMES THREE IS 15 ZERO. THAT'S 150 MILLION.

I'M PAYING MORE. WELL, SO, LOOK, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

OPTION. OPTION A IS OPTION A IS YOU SELL THE LAND RIGHT.

AND WE KNOW THE NET PRESENT VALUE OF THAT IS SAY 45 MILLION.

OPTION B IS IS LET'S SAY ADLER, WHICH IS CALLING ME.

RIGHT. AND THEY SAID THAT THEIR NPV IS 180 MILLION.

SO 180 IS MORE THAN 45, RIGHT? SO SO THAT DEAL IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN JUST SELLING THE LAND OUTRIGHT.

OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT IT IS. WE CAN ASK THEM AGAIN TO GIVE US A SORT OF NET PRESENT VALUE ANALYSIS AND BREAKDOWN OF IT.

BUT ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE NOMINAL AMOUNT IS LOWER THAN NET PRESENT VALUE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE LOWER AS WELL.

ALSO, DID YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT IN THE MODERN WAY THAT WE WORK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE MORE DECENTRALIZED AND STUFF AND FOCUSING MORE ON DIGITAL SERVICES, BRINGING SERVICES, MORE TO THE RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO REIMAGINE HOW CITY HALLS ARE BUILT.

I HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE EMPLOYEES ARE COMFORTABLE ENVIRONMENT. BUT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION OVER 99 YEARS.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S THAT'S A VERY THAT'S THAT'S A I DON'T HAVE KIDS, BUT THAT'S LIKE A GREAT GRANDKIDS.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO LOCK IN FOR A DEAL FOR 99 YEARS, WE HAVE TO IMAGINE HOW THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE.

ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AS OPPOSED TO LIKE CENTRALIZED BUILDINGS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF WITH AI IN THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY.

WAS ANY OF THAT PUT INTO YOUR RESEARCH IN TERMS OF DESIGNING A CITY HALL? YOU KNOW, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, A LOT OF THE ESTIMATES ON WHAT WOULD BE BUILT IN THE NEW CITY HALL WAS BASED OFF OF THE REQUIREMENTS DOCUMENT THAT WAS DONE IN A PREVIOUS STUDY.

AND I'M NOT SURE TO WHAT EXTENT A LOT OF THE AI PART OF IT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BACK THEN BECAUSE THIS WAS DONE MAYBE, I MEAN, THE THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LOT SINCE IN THAT TIME.

EXACTLY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING CONSTANT IS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, BUT LET'S SAY THAT OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT LET'S SAY THAT THERE IS SORT OF A CONSENSUS TOWARDS ONE COLUMN OR THE OTHER OR BOTH OR WHATEVER.

I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS TO ASK THOSE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT PROGRAMING, ABOUT THE AI, ABOUT THE FIRE STATION, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER DETAILS WOULD THEN NEED TO BE WORKED IN.

FOR A MORE FORMAL, DETAILED PRESENTATION TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE WANT YOU TO VOTE ON IT.

BUT THOSE ARE STILL MACRO FACTORS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A CITY HALL, YOU HAVE TO THINK OF HOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? ABSOLUTELY. MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED 112,000FT², BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD 112,000.

WELL, MAYBE WE CAN THINK. WE CAN FIND A WAY TO, LIKE, REVAMP THIS OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER WAYS OF DOING IT. AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION IN TERMS OF, DID YOU GUYS PUT THAT TYPE OF THINKING, OR WAS IT JUST A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT YOU BROUGHT IN FRONT OF US? IT WAS A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. WE GAVE THEM A REQUIREMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENT, BUT WE DID ACTUALLY CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES IN THE ORIGINAL STUDY? BECAUSE IN THE ORIGINAL STUDY, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR EXISTING OFFICE STRUCTURE COMMISSIONER, IT'S YOU KNOW, OFFICES, OFFICES, OFFICES, OFFICES, MEETING ROOMS, MEETING ROOMS, MEETING ROOMS, THEY'RE DEDICATED TO INDIVIDUAL TASKS. AND SO IN THE IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES AND OPTED FOR MORE OPEN OFFICE ENVIRONMENT, MORE COMMON SPACES, MORE SHARED SPACES AND MORE YOU KNOW POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE YOU KNOW, CHANGE OF USE POSSIBILITIES IN THE IN THE AT LEAST IN CALCULATION OF THE NEEDED SPACE FOR, FOR FUTURE CITY HALL, ONE OF THE, WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY SPECIFICS IN THE DESIGN.

YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS I UNDERSTAND AND I'M ONLY ASKING BIG PICTURE QUESTION.

I'M NOT GETTING INTO THE NUANCES. THIS IS A HUGE DECISION.

DECISION. ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW IN THE BOCA PROPOSAL, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, TALLAHASSEE IS TRYING TO GET RID OF PROPERTY TAXES. WE DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION THAT'S GOING TO GO, BUT I THINK I STARTED NEGOTIATED THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN TO PAY THE PROPERTY TAX.

NO MATTER NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED IN TALLAHASSEE.

WELL WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE TALLAHASSEE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO COME OUT, BUT AT LEAST I THINK THE PREDICTION IS TO LEAVE THE NON HOMESTEADED AND

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COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THOSE PROPOSALS.

TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. WE, WE DIDN'T IMAGINE THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN SEVEN YEARS AGO.

IT'S HAPPENING. PERHAPS THAT CAN CHANGE GOING FORWARD WITH, WITH THEM WANTING TO EXPAND BEYOND HOMESTEAD.

AND I'M JUST SAYING ONE OF THE PROPOSAL I SAW WHERE IT WAS, IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN AND THEY COMMISSIONER THAT THAT'S A GREAT PROPOSAL.

YEAH. BECAUSE THINGS MAY CHANGE. EXACTLY. YEAH.

YOU CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF PROVISION. SO I, I SAW IT IN THE BOOK A PROPOSAL WHERE THEY GRANDFATHERED IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE TAXES YOU HAVE TO PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES IN THIS DEAL AT THAT LEVEL NO MATTER WHAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I DID MY HOMEWORK. I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE.

I STILL DON'T LIKE THE DEAL. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK I'VE SEEN THE PATTERN WHERE IT'S GONE IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S THE WAY WE SHOULD GO. THAT'S JUST MY FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU. YOU SHOULD GO IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T PUT IT TO A REFERENDUM.

OH I SEE, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. MARCEL.

MARGIT WAS VOTING THAT AS WELL. YEAH. AND IT DIDN'T PASS.

IT DIDN'T PASS. SO YOU'RE GIVING AWAY LAND FOR 99 YEARS.

IT'S A PUBLIC LAND. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW I SEE YEAH.

BUT THE NUMBERS DON'T FOR WHAT WE'RE GETTING.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD VALUE. OKAY. IN TERMS OF THE NPV VALUE AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEEDBACK.

OKAY. ALREADY GONE OUT TO THE PUBLIC YET WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC OR THAT'S IT.

THIS IS NOT A REFERENDUM ITEM. NO, NO. BUT I MEAN, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IN THEIR VISION OF A NEW CITY HALL. IT WOULD BE PART OF THE THE CONVERSATION.

ONCE A DEVELOPER IS SELECTED AND ONCE THE DESIGN ELEMENTS ARE BEING PUT TOGETHER.

YEAH. MY FEEDBACK. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ACQUIRE ANY MONEY.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET IN A BOND IF YOU GUYS WANT. WE HAVE THE LAND. WE HAVE THE THING THAT'S MOST VALUABLE. I THINK THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD PAY FOR THAT.

GRANDFATHERED IN TAXES. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO ALL THE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THAT.

YOU NEVER KNOW IF THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE. OKAY. I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF EITHER ONE OF THEM. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S MY FEEDBACK. IF IT HAPPENS TO PASS, I THINK THAT'S BENEFICIAL FOR THE RESIDENTS AND IT SECURES THE REVENUES LONG TERM.

SO COMMISSIONER IF THOSE ELEMENTS WERE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO A FUTURE PROPOSAL, WOULD YOU BE IN SUPPORT OF THE NO I'M NOT.

OKAY. YEAH. THE DEALS, THE NUMBERS. NO. NOPE. NOT AT ALL. THESE NUMBERS DON'T DON'T MATCH AT ALL. I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IF HE'S ABLE TO GET IF THE DEAL THE NUMBERS CHANGE AND THEY BROUGHT IT BACK, ARE YOU WILLING TO. I HAVE TO SEE THE NUMBERS. I HAVE TO SEE THE NPV VALUE I HAVE TO SEE.

I HAVE TO SEE. BUT I'M NOT. I'M NOT. I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF SPENDING MONEY.

I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF US OUTLAYING MONEY SPENDING THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY TO INVEST IN THE DEVELOPER'S PROJECT. I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THAT. YEAH, OKAY. I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT. SO NONE OF THESE ARE ATTRACTIVE TO ME. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. THANK YOU. MAYOR. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS.

CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE. I SEE A COUPLE NEW FACES.

WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY MY INTRODUCTION WERE A FEW OTHER PEOPLE.

SO CAN YOU GUYS JUST TELL ME WHAT'S THE THE BACKGROUND AND THE EXPERIENCE OF YOUR TEAM? I'M EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT. MY SPECIALTY IS THE SALE OF DEVELOPMENT SITES FOR RENTAL FOR BASICALLY RENTAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS MY TEAM, THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE WORKED WITH KEN KRASNO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE FLORIDA INSTITUTIONS PRACTICE AND HIS SPECIALTY WAS REALLY JUST SORT OF NETWORKING WITH THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES IN ORDER TO GENERATE BUSINESS AND THEN PASS THEM ON TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPECIALISTS IN THE DIFFERENT FIELDS.

YOU ALSO WORKED PREVIOUSLY WITH BROOKE MOSIER, AND SHE IS STILL ON THE TEAM.

SHE'S ON MATERNITY LEAVE. AND HER SPECIALTY IS AGAIN WORKING WITH PUBLIC FLORIDA PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, SO MUNICIPALITIES, UNIVERSITIES, ETC.. BUT WE ARE THE SPECIALISTS THAT WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SITES.

I HAVE, I HAVE 24 YEARS EXPERIENCE SELLING DEVELOPMENT SITES AND ABOUT $10 BILLION WORTH OF TRANSACTION EXPERIENCE. JULIAN HAS ABOUT TEN YEARS EXPERIENCE AND DAMIAN IS IS RELATIVELY NEW WITH TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

SO PRIMARILY YOU GUYS ARE ALL REAL ESTATE AGENTS.

WE'RE ALL REAL ESTATE AGENTS, AND WE SELL LAND TO DEVELOPERS.

OKAY, SO YOU GUYS ARE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.

COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENT. WHO ON THE TEAM IS THE FINANCIAL EXPERT? I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL HAVE A FINANCE BACKGROUND, BUT I'M THE TEAM LEADER, SO I WOULD.

I WOULD SAY THAT. SO THE FINANCIAL EXPOSURE EXPERIENCE IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO YOUR COMMERCIAL NEGOTIATIONS.

AS A REALTOR. YEAH, YEAH. PART OF OUR JOB IS IS UNDERWRITING OR SORT OF DOING PROJECTIONS FOR WHAT NEW PROJECTS WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT YOUR REVENUES LOOK LIKE, THE COST TO BUILD IT AND THE RETURNS TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPERS.

OKAY. I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THE LAST TIME I SPOKE TO YOU GUYS, I CAN'T REMEMBER IN WHAT SETTING IT WAS,

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BUT I HAD ASKED, HAD YOU ALL HAS COLLIERS TAKEN UP A PROJECT LIKE THIS FROM INCEPTION TO FRUITION? AND AT THE TIME YOU GUYS HAD NOT DONE THAT YET.

IS THAT ACCURATE? A PEEP WE HAVE NOT. OKAY. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE RFP A LITTLE BIT MORE? CAN YOU GUYS. WHAT WAS WHAT WHAT DID THE CITY PUT OUT SPECIFICALLY? LEVENT. WHAT WHAT WHAT DID WE, WHAT DID WE SOLICIT? WHAT DID WE SAY? WHAT DID WE PUT OUT AND SAY WE WANTED? WHAT? SO WE ASKED FOR PROPOSALS BASED ON A NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT WE IDENTIFIED.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM WAS OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW CITY HALL BASED ON THE 112,000FT² OF SPACE.

AND THE REST OF IT, I BELIEVE WAS OPEN TO THE IMAGINATION OF THE DEVELOPERS.

CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. WE PUT A, WE PUT OUT AN OFFERING MEMORANDUM THAT EXPLAINED WHAT THE CITY'S GOALS WERE, SORT OF KIND OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION AND LEFT IT UP TO THEM TO COME BACK TO US WITH PROPOSALS.

WE TOLD THEM THE OVERARCHING GOAL WAS THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THESE TAXPAYERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CITY HALL.

AND THEN WE ALSO ASKED FOR FOR CLEARLY A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT FOR FOR THESE TWO PROPERTIES.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ASKED FOR. THE DEVELOPER TO TELL US WHAT WE WANTED VERSUS US PUTTING OUT AN RFP WITH CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT THE PUBLIC BUILDING SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

WHAT CONSIDERING ANY COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. WE DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER ANYTHING THAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC WANTED SPECIFICALLY, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS WHAT THE DEVELOPERS AND YOUR TEAM ESSENTIALLY.

YEAH. THE ONLY FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD FROM THE CITY WAS THERE WAS A DOCUMENT THAT WAS PREPARED.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS THE NAME OF IT. LEVENT.

THAT NEEDS ANALYSIS. SPACE AND SPACE. THERE WAS A SPACE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY NEEDED FOR THE CITY HALL, BUT ALSO THERE WAS A A RESIDENT SURVEY. I THINK THAT SAID WHAT PEOPLE WANTED AND THEY WANTED LIKE MORE COMMERCIAL, MORE ENTERTAINMENT. I FORGOT THE NAME OF THAT ACTUAL DOCUMENT. CORRECT. IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH.

RIGHT. SO THIS, THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL OFFERING MEMORANDUM, YOU SAID, OKAY, SO THIS WAS NOT A A SPECIFIC DOCUMENT THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS, WHAT WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT IT IS 112,000FT² OF OFFICE SPACE FOR, FOR CITY HALL FOR, FOR COMBINING ALL OUR NEEDS AND AND SOME GENERIC GUIDANCE ON, ON MIXED USE ELEMENTS TO SUPPORT A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.

AND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS THIS THIS PROPERTY HERE.

ALL OF THOSE OTHER DETAILS WOULD COME AT A LATER POINT BECAUSE NONE OF THAT, NONE OF THOSE DETAILS WERE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE ORIGINAL AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE EXPECTATION IS, IS MARKET DRIVEN, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. I DISAGREE, I THINK THAT AN RFP TYPICALLY IN RFP IS GOING TO COME OR BE PUT OUT WITH A LOT MORE SPECIFICITY. WE'RE LOOKING FOR IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN INVITATION, MAYBE, AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING OUT A BLANKET INVITATION, PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE APPROACHED IT FROM AN INVITATION TO BID OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM. BUT I THINK WHEN YOU PUT OUT AN RFP AND I DON'T KNOW ATTORNEY, YOU, I'M SURE, REVIEWED THE RFP, BUT IF WHEN WE PUT OUT AN RFP, WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT FINANCING MODEL WE'RE INTERESTED IN BASED ON OUR FINANCES AND OUR BUDGET AND OUR WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AS A CITY, WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING FOR THEM TO PROVIDE TO US IN THE PROPOSAL, WHETHER THAT IS PROJECTIONS, TAX PROJECTIONS OVER THE 99 YEARS, WHETHER THAT IS YOU KNOW, NO ONE SHOULD PROFFER A BOND IF WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN A BOND.

LIKE I FEEL LIKE THE RFP SHOULD HAVE HAD THE SPECIFICITY NECESSARY.

AND SO I'M AN ATTORNEY. DID DID YOU GUYS TAKE A LOOK AT THE RFP BEFORE IT WENT OUT? MY OFFICE DID NOT GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT, BUT I DID DISCUSS THAT WITH THE MANAGER, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE CONCERNS YOU'RE RAISING WHICH COMMISSIONER RIGHT.

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YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE CITY HAS THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND.

I WOULD SAY THE LEVERAGE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE LEVERAGE, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN INCLUDE WHATEVER REQUIREMENT OR CRITERIA YOU WANT IN RFP.

I THINK THE BULK EXAMPLE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE IN TERMS OF THE CITY IS BASICALLY SENDING RFP WITH WHAT IT WANTED AND IT DIDN'T PASS, BUT IT CREATED YOU KNOW, CRITERIAS THAT WERE FAVORABLE TO THE CITY.

I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK BACK AT OUR EXPERIENCE WITH TAMARAC VILLAGE IN TERMS OF RFP TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTEREST OF THE CITY IS PROTECTED. AND I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

COMMISSIONER, I AGREE WITH YOU. IF THIS WAS AN RFP, WE WOULD HAVE TO YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY THE SPECIFICS OF THE THE REQUIREMENTS OR EXPECTATIONS, BUT THIS WAS NOT IF IF YOU ALL REMEMBER THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION TO US WAS TO GO OUT AND EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT CAN BE DONE OR WHAT THE THE INTEREST LEVEL WOULD BE IN THESE TWO PROPERTIES.

THAT WAS THE DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.

SO THIS WAS AN EXPLORATORY PRACTICE. AND ALL THOSE DETAILS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR WOULD, WOULD WOULD BE PART OF THE EITHER THE NEGOTIATION OR THE SECOND PHASE OF THIS CONVERSATION.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN EXPLORING THAT SECOND PHASE WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS, WITH OUR NEGOTIATIONS AND WITH OUR EXPECTATIONS.

SO THESE ARE EXPLORATORY PROPOSALS AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE SPECIFICS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

JUST GENERAL CONCEPTUAL PROPOSALS, I UNDERSTAND.

I THINK THAT WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I, THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION SPOKE TO RFP 25 DASH 18 R.

SO THIS WAS AN RFP FOR, FOR STARTERS, WHICH TO YOUR POINT MANAGER DOES NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE DIRECTION TO BE AT. BACK LAST YEAR, AN INVITATION TO BID WOULD SIMPLY HAVE JUST BEEN THAT.

AN INVITATION TO BID. SEND IN WHAT YOU WANT. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH PROPOSALS AND WE'RE BEING ASKED TO REVIEW THE PROPOSALS.

THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY I THINK WE PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

THIS IS A MAJOR, MAJOR, A MAJOR PROJECT. AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A WHOLE LOT MORE CONSIDERATION THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF THE TEAM AND IT'S, AND IT'S IF I'M BEING TRANSPARENT THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF NUMBERS WITH A TEAM THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOMEONE WITH A CPA BACKGROUND OR SOME LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, PRIOR EXPERIENCE IN DELIVERING.

WE HAVE A FINANCE TEAM. I SAW A FINANCE PERSON IN THE PAST.

THESE PEOPLE. THAT'S INTERNALLY. THE CONVERSATIONS NEED TO BE HAPPENING BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN COME TELL US WHAT WE NEED BETTER THAN WE CAN.

SO YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD JUST KIND OF BE I HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS HERE THAT I, YOU KNOW, WOULD POTENTIALLY ASK. I MEAN, WE'RE LEVERAGING $40 MILLION IN ASSETS.

WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S I'M LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE.

THIS IS A VERY BRIEF CHART OR A CONDENSED CHART RATHER.

IT DOESN'T REALLY TELL ME, YOU KNOW WHAT THE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, IF I'M HONEST.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GIVING ME WHAT I NEED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

A AND B, WHAT WE STAND TO, HOW WE STAND TO BENEFIT AS AN ORGANIZATION.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I AM COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO PERHAPS TAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE SERIOUSLY.

IT IS A VERY SERIOUS NEGOTIATION AND THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ERROR WITH IT.

AND I JUST THINK THAT AT THIS POINT I'M NOT PREPARED TO REVIEW ANY PROPOSALS.

OKAY. OKAY. WELL SEEING NO COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY ELSE.

OKAY. MR.. DANIEL. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I'VE ALWAYS VOTED NO AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

I VOTED NO WHEN EVERYONE ELSE VOTED TO HAVE THIS DONE, THIS EXPLORATION.

I THINK IT WAS A BAD IDEA, AND IT'S PROVEN ITSELF TO BE A BAD IDEA, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO BENEFIT WITH GOING WITH EITHER COMPANY FOR THE CITY,

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AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET TAXED REGARDLESS OF WHAT PROJECT IS PUT ON THERE FOR THE MOST PART.

SO THIS IS A STRONG NO. IT HAS BEEN FROM THE GET GO.

AND HOPEFULLY WE ALL SEE THAT WE DON'T NEED THIS PROJECT IN THERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE EXPLORING.

GOD, IT'S WORSE THAN THE BEGINNING. SO IF THIS IS WHAT EXPLORATION BRINGS TO US, DEFINITELY I KNOW.

OKAY. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I THINK THAT YOU YOU KNOW, HELPED US TO, TO GET TO THIS POINT AND YOU KNOW, I SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT SENTIMENT. I THINK THAT YOUR TEAM IS WELL QUALIFIED TO BE IN FRONT OF US.

I THINK THAT YOU. YOU KNOW, ARE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS AND AND THAT YOU BRING A GOOD VIBE TO WHAT THE CITY WANTS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ADDING MORE PROFESSIONALS TO YOUR TEAM.

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE.

ANYBODY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN FRONT OF FRONT OF ME, YOU KNOW, I, I DID MY RESEARCH BEFORE. YOU KNOW, I HAD A PREVIOUS TEAM MEMBER THAT I DIDN'T FAVOR, BUT I THINK THIS TEAM IS, IS WELL PUT TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, I KIND OF STOOD IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THIS PROJECT IS CONCERNED.

YEAH, I WANT TO SEE THE PROJECT GO FORWARD. I THINK THAT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY NEEDS THIS KIND OF REVITALIZATION. I THINK THAT THE CITY NEEDS THIS KIND OF TAX BASE WHERE FLORIDA IS GOING.

WE PROBABLY NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT DIVERSIFYING AND PUTTING FORWARD PROPOSALS OR PROJECTS LIKE THIS. SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF MUSCLE AND, AND BRAIN POWER AND, AND A LOT OF NOT BEING AFRAID TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THIS KIND OF PROJECT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE I'M FOR MOVING THE IDEA ALONG YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSALS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEFORE US PROBABLY IN ONE PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, IT HAS SOME BENEFITS AND THEN ANOTHER PROPOSAL HAS SOME BENEFITS.

AND THEN IF WE COULD JUST TAKE SOME OF THE BENEFITS FROM ONE AND SOME OF THE BENEFITS FROM FROM THE OTHER AND PUT IT TOGETHER INTO A PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT STORM, RIGHT? SO. I HAVE SOME DRAWBACKS WITH WITH WITH BOTH THE PROPOSALS.

SO I THINK INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF SAYING A DEFINITE NO AND STOPPING THE WHOLE PROCESS, YOU KNOW WHY DON'T WE GO BACK AND LOOK CAREFULLY AT WHAT WE DO WANT AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT AND SEE IF WE CAN START SOME TYPE OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH, WITH THESE, WITH THESE FIRMS. THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR FIRM THAT I, THAT I REALLY WOULD DO A FLAT OUT NO ON, BUT I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO, TO GIVE THAT KIND OF OPINION, BECAUSE IF WE DO GO FORWARD, WE KIND OF WANT TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH, WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE COMPANIES. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY SOFT THOUGHTS.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THINGS START OUT VERY SOUR AND THEN AS YOU GO ALONG, IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT IS PALATABLE FOR US AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, HERE AT CITY HALL AND THEN OF COURSE, FOR THE RESIDENTS, YOU ULTIMATELY WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL, WILL LOVE AND ENJOY.

AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS WILL KICK AND SCREAM AT THE OUTSET OF SOMETHING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF IT, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATING AND, AND, AND SHARING.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AFRAID OF THIS PROJECT.

IT'S 99 YEARS. I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE IN 99 YEARS.

BUT MY SON WILL AND HIS SON AND YOU KNOW, HIS DAUGHTER, RIGHT? SO I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT FOR THE CITY.

I THINK FROM DAY ONE I HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH NOT JUST WHAT IS GOING TO GO ON THE OTHER PARCEL,

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BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE. AND I'VE SAID IT SEVERAL TIMES TO YOU AND TO THE MANAGER AND TO, TO, TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND I STILL DON'T SEE IT.

AND I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING, WE'RE FOCUSED OVER THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD ALSO BE IMPACTED.

AND WHAT DOES IT DO FOR, YOU KNOW, NOB HILL AND PINE ISLAND? YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A UNIVERSAL THOUGHT.

SO I'M DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE ANY INCLINATION THAT I'M FOR THAT PROJECT WITHOUT SEEING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE FIRST? AND I'VE SAID IT TO YOU. YOU KNOW, AND I'VE SAID IT TO THE TO THE MANAGER MANY TIMES.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING UNLESS I KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT WOULD BE THEORETICALLY BE ON THIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF OUR CITY.

YOU HAVE KINGS POINT DOWN THE WAY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COME OUT, IF THEY GO EAST AND THEN SOUTH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON PINE ISLAND AND IF THEY GO WEST AND THEN SOUTH, THEY'RE AT THE OTHER SIDE.

SO WHAT WE PUT HERE IS GOING TO IMPACT EVERYBODY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF OUR CITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM AND I HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR PEOPLE IN THIS AREA.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY MAJOR CONCERN. I MEAN, I COULD BE LIKE, COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? AND JUST GO ON CHATGPT, CHATGPT AND LOOK FOR AND LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH IN BOCA AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A SHOT AT ANYTHING.

I MEAN, CHATGPT DOES GIVE YOU GOOD IDEAS AND THEY AND THEY GIVE YOU.

YEAH SURE. YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU GOOD IDEAS AND, AND IT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT BEING FACETIOUS OR, OR BEING WHATEVER.

SO, YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE DONE THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO.

OH, BOCA DOES THIS AND BOCA DOES THAT. I MEAN, THE AVERAGE PERSON, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT BOCA AND TAMARAC ARE TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS. AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN BOCA, THE RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT.

EVEN THE IDEA OF DEVELOPING SOMETHING IN BOCA.

WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN TAMARAC. AND THAT'S NOT DOWNPLAYING TAMARAC.

IT'S MORE LIKE WE'RE IN THE BUILDING STAGES OF TAMARAC.

WE ARE CREATING A TAMARAC THAT THE FUTURE WILL NOW SEE AS A BOCA.

AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF WORK TO GET THERE.

WHAT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BECOME TAMARAC VILLAGE.

I SAT HERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND STAFF WILL REMEMBER HARRY DRESSLER WAS THE MAYOR.

IT WAS. IT WAS NOT MICHELLE. AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED OVER TO HARRY AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD ANY COMMERCIAL OVER THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD ANY COMMERCIAL OVER THERE. WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK. WE'RE GOING TO BE SUCKERED. AND IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL. AND THEY'RE GOING TO EXIT THE, THE, THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, CALL ME A PROPHET OR CALL ME A, YOU KNOW, SHREWD, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO. BUT THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED.

AND, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS LIKE THIS, YOU JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A LONG TIME HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SHORT TIME THAT I HAVE LEFT HERE, I'D WANT TO LOOK CLOSELY AT THIS PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T TURN OUT TO BE TO BE THAT YOU KNOW, SO WITH THAT SAID, I DO HAVE SOME.

I DO HAVE SOME, SOME LIKES AND DISLIKES ABOUT BOTH PROJECTS AND IT WOULD BE FOOLISH OF US FOOLISH OF THIS COMMISSION NOT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, AT LEAST CONTINUE A CONVERSATION SO THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IS RIGHT FOR THE CITY. WHETHER ULTIMATELY THAT'S A HARD NO OR A HARD YES.

BUT AT THIS POINT, JUST, YOU KNOW, STOPPING THE HORSE AND SAYING, OH, WE DON'T WANT IT.

IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GOOD PLANNING.

SO FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, ATTORNEY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO AID NOT RUN AFOUL OF THE LAW?

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I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CONE OF SILENCE IN INVOLVED.

WE JUST HAD BILL TAMARAC WITH A SLEW OF, OF, OF DEVELOPERS IN THE ROOM.

YOU KNOW, I CHECK THE, THE THE LOBBYIST LOG AND I SEE THAT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BUILDERS IS, YOU KNOW, VISITING SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS. I WON'T MENTION WHO BUT I HAVE A PULSE ON THE CITY, SO I KNOW WHO COMES IN AND WHO GOES OUT. AND I KNOW WHERE THEY MEET.

SO THIS IS NOT YOU KNOW, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS BIG.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE ARE, ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN SOMETHING HAPPENING OR ELSE THEY WOULDN'T BE MEETING WITH MAJOR PEOPLE.

SO WHAT IS WHAT IS HOW, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS, NOT JUST WITH THESE PEOPLE, BUT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. I THINK RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK THIS PROCESS IS WENT THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS WHICH TRIGGER THE CONE OF SILENCE. THEREFORE, MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION CANNOT SIT ON A ONE ON ONE BASIS WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSALS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR PROJECT.

SO THAT'S ONE LEGAL ISSUE THAT UNLESS THIS COMMISSION THROW OUT THE PROPOSALS AND, AND START OVER OR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE CURRENT ASSIGNMENTS THAT'S GOING TO BE APPLICABLE.

SECOND, I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS I LISTENED TO THIS MORNING IS THAT THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA OR CONDITIONS THAT THIS BODY WANTS TO ADD TO A FUTURE PROPOSAL. AND HOW DO YOU GET THERE? YOU GET THERE BY OBVIOUSLY CREATING A NEW PROPOSAL, RFQ, RFP THAT'S GENERALLY THE TWO MEDIUMS USED BY THE GOVERNMENT LOCAL GOVERNMENT. ALSO LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS ALLOWED UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL ALSO, WHICH BASICALLY HAS MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SO IN ORDER TO REVISE THE PROPOSAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MODIFICATION YOU WOULD HAVE TO THROW OUT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, ALLOW STAFF.

AND ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO BRING IN I CALL IT A FINANCIAL CONSULTANT THAT CAN ASSIST STAFF WITH THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF, OF ANY FUTURE PROPOSAL. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.

SO RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY VICE MAYOR THE REASON WE HERE WITH PROPOSALS BEING PRESENTED IN A MANNER THAT THEY ARE BEING PRESENTED TO THE FACT THE CURRENT ASSIGNMENTS STILL APPLY AND ONE ON ONE MEETINGS WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS MODIFICATION OF THE PROPOSAL. IF YOU DO MODIFY IT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CHANGE SOME TERMS, BUT YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU MODIFY IT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MODIFY MODIFY SUBSTANTIALLY, I THINK IT'S BEST TO KICK OUT THE PROPOSALS.

I'M GOING TO ASK A CLARIFICATION ON THAT, IF I MAY, PLEASE, BECAUSE YOU BRING UP SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THE WHOLE COMMISSION IS AWARE OF OR NOT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I STARTED ASKING THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN CONES OF SILENCE ARE PUT UP.

WE DON'T HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS TO THAT EFFECT. WE OR THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, I THINK THAT THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE GIVEN BETTER NOTICE OF, BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHO COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR BOLTON IS TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT'S PROBABLY FINE.

BUT IF THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS OR THINGS AND PEOPLE SAYING THINGS THAT COULD GET PEOPLE IN TROUBLE, THEN IT WOULD BE NICE THAT WE ARE PROTECTED AS THIS BODY SO WE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO DO THESE RFPS AND HAVE CONES OF SILENCE OUT, WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNICATION TO THE COMMISSION, PLEASE. I THINK IN FACT, YOUR INTERIM DIRECTOR HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT SENDING EMAILS THAT APPLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOES TO THE COMMISSION LEVEL, BUT IT HAS COME OBVIOUSLY TO THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT IT NEEDS TO GO FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION LEVEL.

BUT THE RULE IN GENERAL ESPECIALLY THE CITY CODE, IF THERE'S AN RFP INVITATION TO BID

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REQUESTS FOR RFQ REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION, IT TRIGGERS THE CODE OF SILENCE UNDER THE CITY CODE, RIGHT? AUTOMATICALLY LET IT COME TRICKLE DOWN TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION, AND THEN THE ONUS IS ON THE PERSON REACHING OUT TO COMMUNICATE THAT THEY KNOW IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING. WE SHOULDN'T BE CLAIRVOYANT.

SO ANYWAY, BECAUSE AGAIN, I A LOT OF THINGS GET THROWN OUT ON THIS COMMISSION THAT ARE KNOWN TO SOME AND NOT TO ALL.

AND I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE FIVE OF US ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE CAN. WE CAN CORRECT THAT. THAT'S AN EASY CORRECTION.

VICE MAYOR, YOU WERE SAYING THINGS. GO AHEAD.

OKAY. SO I THINK I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION IS, IS NOT DUMB.

I THINK WE UNDERSTAND OUR, OUR ROLES. AND THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT INCOMPETENCE.

WHENEVER THERE IS AN RFP, THERE IS AUTOMATICALLY A VICE MAYOR.

THIS IS NOT FOR YOU TO DICTATE OR EDUCATE US.

WILL YOU WILL YOU BE QUIET? I HAVE THE FLOOR.

YEAH. NO, YOUR FLOOR SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THIS.

I HAVE THE FLOOR. SO RAMBLE ON. TOO MUCH LONGER AT THIS.

AT THIS TIME. YOU'RE. YOU'RE DONE. NO. SO WHENEVER THERE IS AN RFP THAT IS OUT, REGARDLESS OF WHOEVER IT IS OR FOR WHATEVER IT IS, THERE'S A CONE OF SILENCE. I THINK THAT WE ALL LEARNED THAT WHEN WE JUST GOT ELECTED OR DO OUR, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING EDUCATION EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

SO TO SAY THAT, OH, WE SHOULD KNOW WHEN AN RFP IS OUT AND PLEASE PROTECT US REALLY AND TRULY.

THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT SOME OF US ARE INCOMPETENT.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. ANYWAY, WILL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MEANT FOR YOU TO START ATTACKING ME WITH YOUR OPINION. OH, PLEASE, VICE MAYOR, ENOUGH. CAN YOU GET BACK TO THE TOPIC? THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND SHOWMANSHIP, IS NOT IT? WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, FOR A FEW SECONDS, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT MAKING SURE WE DON'T KILL A PROJECT BEFORE ALL INFORMATION IS IN. SO CAN WE STICK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND, PLEASE? MY MOTHER ALWAYS TOLD ME A HIT DOG WOULD ALWAYS HOLLER.

SO AGAIN, IF IF THERE'S AN RFP OUT, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A CONE OF SILENCE, PERIOD.

SO, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAS TO BE TRICKLED DOWN.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THEIR ROLES AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A CITY COMMISSIONER OR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

SO, SO WITH, WITH THAT SAID ATTORNEY, YOU SAID THAT WOULD HAVE TO THROW OUT THIS RFP IN ORDER TO, TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN APPROACH THE CITY.

WHILE WE'RE CONTINUING THIS PROCESS. QUESTION FOR I FORGET MY TRINIDADIANS NAME.

GERARD. GERARD. OKAY. GERARD. IF WE THROW OUT THIS THESE TWO PROPOSALS, IS IT THAT WE WOULD LOSE THEIR INTEREST IN THE, IN THE PROJECT OR THEY, THEY WOULD REMAIN, I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT I'M SURE THEY'LL CONTINUE TO BE INTERESTED. OKAY.

BECAUSE I'M, I'M PARTICULARLY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHY WE JUST HAVE THESE TWO.

YOU KNOW. DID YOU SEE OTHER PROPOSALS? AND THEN YOU JUST DECIDED, HEY, THIS PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO BE OF INTEREST TO THE CITY.

THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER ONE THAT THAT THAT WAS SENT IN, AND THAT ONE WAS INCOMPLETE AND LATE, AND THAT WAS DISCARDED. AND OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OTHER GROUPS SPECIFICALLY THE GROUPS THAT HAD BID ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAD WORKED ON BEFORE BROOKE AND HER TEAM THEY SAID THAT THE ECONOMICS BASED ON THE FINANCIAL SITUATION AT THE TIME WE'RE NOT FAVORABLE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO SUBMIT A BID.

OKAY. SO CITY MANAGER, WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE CORRECT, WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE? SO IF, IF WE THROUGH THESE, THESE OUT AND CONTINUE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR VISION IN, IN, IN MOVING IT FORWARD? BECAUSE REALLY AND TRULY, I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I HEAR THE, THE SENTIMENT OF THIS COMMISSION THAT BEFORE THEY NEVER GAVE ANY TYPE OF DIRECTION TO EVEN MOVE THIS FORWARD.

SO WHAT SAY YOU NOW? BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER GIVING ANY DIRECTION TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

WHAT, WHAT MY IDEA WAS, WAS, LET'S SEE THE OTHER PROPERTY AND LET'S SEE THIS PROPERTY FIRST BEFORE I EVEN GIVE ANYTHING OUT THAT,

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THAT, THAT WAS MY OPINION AT THAT TIME. SO I NEVER SAID, HEY, I WANT TO SEE A NEW CITY HALL BUILT OR COME BACK WITH, WITH PROPOSALS. AND I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER DANIEL IS SAYING THE SAME THING AND COMMISSIONER PATTERSON IS SAYING THE SAME THING, AT LEAST THAT IS THREE WISE COMMISSIONERS, SAYING THAT.

SO I MEAN, I JUST WANT THERE TO BE A A CLEAN RESTART IF WE'RE EVEN GOING TO DO A RESTART.

WHAT WOULD YOUR VISION BE? THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

I BELIEVE NOW THAT WE HAVE A SENSE OF, OF WHAT THE MARKET PLACE MAY OFFER FOR, FOR THESE TO DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES. YOU KNOW, WE CAN FOR THE SAKE OF, OF YOU KNOW, FREE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS, I SUPPOSE WE WOULD FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY.

CITY ATTORNEY TO CANCEL THIS RFP OR THROW THESE PROPOSALS IN ASSUMING THAT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEIR INTEREST IN THESE PROJECTS STILL. BUT FIRST WE WOULD SIT DOWN WITH THE, WITH THE CITY COMMISSION TO IDENTIFY THIS BEING THESE ARE BEING THE STARTING POINT. THE INTEREST AND THE AND THE VISION OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET THOSE SPECIFICS AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WITH, WITH A POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITY, BUT MAYBE SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY COMMISSION AND GET MORE SPECIFIC EXPECTATIONS FROM EITHER OF THESE PROPERTIES AND TOTAL OF THE PROJECT AND MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. VICE MAYOR ALSO, I THINK CARL, YOU CAN ALSO SEE IF THERE'S OTHER PROPOSALS, PROPOSALS OUT THERE ALSO DURING THIS PERIOD.

CORRECT? YEAH. FOR SURE. OKAY, I HAVE COMMISSIONER.

DANIEL HAS SOME COMMENTS AND THEN AFTER. COMMISSIONER.

DANIEL COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. I THINK THIS IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT WORKERS WERE GETTING SICK, AND I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE GETTING SICK IN ANY OF OUR BUILDING BECAUSE OF BUILDING CONDITION.

HOW ARE WE ON MAINTENANCE AND IS ANYONE. THE ONLY THING I'VE HEARD COMPLAINT ABOUT IS THAT ELEVATOR.

NEVER HEARD OF SOMEONE GETTING SICK, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE ALLERGIES, INCLUDING MYSELF, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. IT COULD HAVE DEPENDING ON WHATEVER BUILDING.

BUT WHERE ARE WE ON MAINTENANCE AND CONTINUING HIGH QUALITY LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE OF OUR FACILITIES, INCLUDING THIS BUILDING? SURE. MOST RECENT SICKNESS HAPPENED IN THE BUILDING.

WE HAVE THE MOLD REMEDIATION CREWS THERE FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

THEY'RE DEALING WITH THAT FIRE STATION IS ONE OF OUR OLDEST BUILDINGS.

AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT NOW, THIS BUILDING ITSELF, IT HAS STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS. THE ENTIRE UPSTAIRS STRUCTURAL COLUMNS ARE ALL MELTING AWAY.

AND SO THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL AS THE THE ROOF ITSELF.

AND SO YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING HAS A NUMBER OF DEFICIENCIES, WHICH I THINK WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE FEASIBILITY OR SPACE STUDY AS WELL. SO THOSE, THOSE EXIST AND THEY NEED TO BE MAINTAINED.

OTHERWISE THE CITY HALL AND OTHER FACILITIES ARE BEING MAINTAINED BY CITY STAFF TO THE, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES, BUT THE THE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, THEY WERE ADDING TO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER, WE DELAYED THEM IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OR SO FOR THE SAKE OF THIS CONVERSATION, IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE THE REPAIRS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SPENDING MONEY, WE'RE SPENDING, WE'RE NOT SPENDING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD MONEY SITUATION.

SO SOME AGAIN, MY THING WAS, WHERE ARE WE ON MAINTENANCE? RIGHT. YOU SAID THE FIRE STATION AND BSO HAVING ISSUES WITH MOLD.

WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? DID WE FIX IT? YEAH, WE'RE FIXING THEM.

AND SO THE BSO BUILDING IS, I BELIEVE THE THE TREATMENT IS COMPLETED.

SO THE TREATMENT IS COMPLETED. SO THEY'RE BACK IN BUSINESS.

AND IN THIS BUILDING, THE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS WE HAVE NOT TOUCHED THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS.

AND A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN THE ROOF ITSELF, ANOTHER COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS.

AND SO WE DELAYED THOSE BUT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES.

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NOW OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES.

IT'S ALSO A NUMBER OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. YOU KNOW, CREATING A, A ONE STOP SHOP RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT FOR A BUILDING PERMIT THEY GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THEY WE HAVE ENGINEERING UPSTAIRS. WE HAVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLANNING AND ZONING HERE.

WE HAVE CASHIER'S OFFICE HERE. WE'RE PRETTY YOU KNOW SPREAD AND SO ALL THOSE SERVICES BEING IN ONE BUILDING IS NOT A NEW CONCEPT. THAT'S WHY SUNRISE IS DOING IT.

THAT'S WHY CORAL SPRINGS IS DOING IT. THAT'S WHY MARGATE IS DOING IT.

THAT'S WHY BOCA IS EXPLORING IT. SO WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING A NEW IDEA.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT A NEW FRESH IDEA. IT'S THE IDEA THAT THAT YOU KNOW, OUR BUILDINGS ARE GETTING OLDER, OUR BUILDINGS ARE GETTING LESS EFFICIENT WITH THE LIGHTING, WITH THE ENERGY, WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND.

A NEW MODERN BUILDING NOT ONLY ACCOMMODATES THE.

THE EFFICIENCY OF THE WORKFORCE, BUT IT ALSO BRINGS A MONUMENT TO THE.

TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITY. FOR THE NEXT 60 YEARS, 70 YEARS, 100 YEARS.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE EFFORT, ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER DIVERSIFICATION OF THE CITY'S TAX BASE TO MORE COMMERCIAL ENTITIES.

SO WE, WE EASE THE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEADED PROPERTY TAXES.

SO SEVERAL THINGS, IF I REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID.

SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE MAINTENANCE. WHAT I DON'T WANT US TO DO IS STOP MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE WANT TO COME UP AND CREATE A NEED FOR THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? SO LET'S NOT DO THAT EVER.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE A NEED FOR A PROJECT BY LACK OF HAVING LACK OF MAINTENANCE.

I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THE BEST CARE TO OUR CITY, OUR FACILITIES AND EVERYWHERE.

EVERYWHERE THAT NEEDS UPDATING SO THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME RAGGEDY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REMODELED AND FIXED NEEDS TO BE REMODELED AND FIXED.

EVEN WHEN I GO BY THE SPORTS COMPLEX, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS GETTING KIND OF NOT WELL MAINTAINED.

SO IF, IF THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN ALL OF OUR FACILITY, I THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED IN A TIMELY MANNER.

SO WE DON'T COME TO A PLACE WHERE HOW OLD IS THIS BUILDING? ABOUT 40 SOME YEARS NOW. 40. 54, 4040, 40. WELL, THE CITY IS ONLY 60 YEARS OLD.

SO HOW OLD IS THIS BUILDING? OR 60 SOMETHING? AT THIS POINT, IT'S ABOUT 40 YEARS. YEAH. I STARTED IN 95, SO IT WAS HERE FOR AT LEAST GOOD 7 OR 8 YEARS. SO AND I WILL SAY THIS, I THINK MY HOUSE IS FOUR YEARS, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND REMODELING.

MAJORITY OF OUR HOUSES IN TAMARAC ARE THE SAME AGE GROUP, AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WE DON'T TEAR DOWN OUR HOMES JUST TO GET A NEW ONE.

CAN'T AFFORD IT. SO I SAY KEEP ALL THOSE THINGS IN MIND BECAUSE IT'S THESE SAME RESIDENTS WHO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, GOING TO GET THAT TAX BILL.

AND I'M COMING FROM A DISTRICT WHO HAS THE HIGHEST TAX BILL, WHO CARRIES THE CITY.

SO NO, WE DON'T WANT A HIGH TAX BILL. SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH INNOVATIVE IDEAS.

NOT A COPYCAT IDEA. INNOVATIVE IDEA THAT DOES NOT BURDEN THE TAXPAYERS IN THIS CITY, ESPECIALLY DISTRICT FOUR.

NO, IT'S NOT INNOVATIVE. WE'VE MADE MISTAKES IN THE PAST WITH TAMARAC VILLAGE.

THANK GOD I WASN'T A PART OF THAT. LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.

COMMISSIONER. SO IF I KNOW THE MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE.

I KNOW THE VICE MAYOR SAID YEAH, SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, CHANGES ARE POSSIBLE.

WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE THROWING DICE ON SOME CHANGES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. SO SO I GET IT. BE PROACTIVE IN MIND BUT NOT MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.

NOW IF THIS IS WHAT EXPLORATION BROUGHT FORTH, OH MY GOD, GIVE ME THE $80,000.

I'LL GO EXPLORE FOR YOU. SO NO OFFENSE. I'M NOT IN YOUR YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A REALTOR, BUT IT GOT TO BE BETTER THAN THIS BASED ON WHAT WE SAID.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS. IT'S UP TO YOU IF WE TALK ABOUT INNOVATION SIX YEARS, IF THIS BUILDING IS 40 YEARS AND FALLING APART, WELL, YOUR BILL IS GOING TO FALL APART TOO, IN 40 YEARS.

SO NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO 60 YEARS. SO WHAT ENCOMPASSED ALL OF THIS AND THAT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY.

I'M SORRY. NO. FOR US TO DO AND TIE OURSELVES UP FOR 100 YEARS.

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NO, NO. IT GOT TO BE BETTER. I GOT TO SEE THE BENEFIT TO THE TAXPAYERS, TO THE RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT FOUR. SO COMMISSIONER, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. SO FOR US TO DO THE MOST IMMEDIATE MAINTENANCE ITEMS IN THIS BUILDING ALONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS THE UPSTAIRS AND THE ROOF. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT EIGHT, $10 MILLION, THE COST OF THAT TO THE GENERAL FUND AND THE TAX MILLAGE IS SIGNIFICANT. SO THAT MONEY IT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE THE GENERAL FUND THE, THE IMPACT ON THE MILLAGE ITSELF OF THAT COST IS, IS SIGNIFICANT. THE INNOVATION OF THIS IDEA, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE TRIED AND TESTED IN A NUMBER OF OTHER PLACES, IS TO GENERATE FUTURE REVENUE TAX REVENUE WITHOUT BURDENING THE THE THE RESIDENTIAL POPULATION.

HOMESTEAD POPULATION OF THE OF THE OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND SO THIS SPREADS THE THE THE THE REVENUES THE CITY IS EXPECTING TO A MORE COMMERCIAL BASE.

WE WOULD HOPE SO. THAT'S WHAT WE HOPED WITH TAMARAC VILLAGE THAT DID NOT OCCUR.

NO, NO, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN TAMARAC VILLAGE.

THE THE TAX BASE OF OF TAMARAC TAMARAC VILLAGE IS SIGNIFICANT.

AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO BRING DOWN OUR TAXES.

THE RESIDENTS ARE STILL CARRYING THE BULK. AND I JUST DON'T I'M JUST NOT A BELIEVER ANYMORE AFTER SEEING MISTAKES.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EMPTY BUILDING FOR 180,000, $75,000 THAT WE HAVE TO PAY. I JUST, I DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PAYING AND THEY PAY A WHOPPING 500 HALF A MILLION A YEAR.

I I DON'T SEE IT. MAYBE YOU KNOW I'M BLIND, BUT I DON'T.

I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT. THAT 180 MILLION. THAT'S OVER.

HOW MANY YEARS? THE 99 YEARS OR 30 YEARS OR WHAT IS IT? BECAUSE THEN IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT. IT'S JUST SAYING THE VALUE OF THE THE DEVELOPMENT FOR CITY HALL IS GOING TO BE THAT MUCH.

IT'S A TOTAL PROJECTED CITY BENEFITS 100 PROJECTED TAX BENEFITS.

YEAH. OVER HOW MANY TIMES HOW MANY YEARS? $600 MILLION.

OVER 99 YEARS. EXACTLY. THAT IS NO MONEY. THAT IS NO MONEY.

I'M SORRY. I'M NOT RICH, BUT THAT IS NO MONEY.

WELL, HE'S RICH, SO MAYBE IT'S MONEY TO HIM IN 99 YEARS WHEN HE WON'T BE HERE.

SO I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO IF YOU WANT TO, IN MY MIND, NOT CHANGED.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOMEBODY'S MIND. I MAY MAKE IT WORTH OUR TIME.

IT GOT TO BE MORE INNOVATIVE THAN THAT. IT'S NOT MAYBE TO THE DEVELOPER THEY MAKING MONEY AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, BUT NOT TO THE CITY. AND IN THE FEASIBILITY REPORT, HOW LONG DOES IT SAY THESE STRUCTURAL $10,000 THINGS HAVE TO GO FOR? HOW LONG DO WE HAVE UNTIL WE HAVE TO DO IT? OR WHAT CAN WE DO IN PLACE? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

I THINK THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT HAD TO BE.

I'M TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER AND I THINK HE CAN HE MANAGE THIS WHOLE THING.

SO HE MUST HAVE AN ANSWER. NO, NO. SO THOSE THOSE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, THEY NEED TO BE OBVIOUSLY FIXED EVERY TIME IT RAINS.

AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BUCKETS OF YOU KNOW, WATER COMING IN.

SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE NEED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE BACK AND MAKE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I'M NOT.

I THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE AGREED. CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS.

I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED THE THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF THIS AND BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE, THIS IS BECAUSE FOR US, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK IT'S CLEAR EVERYONE IS SAYING THE SAME THING. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT A TRANSACTION.

IT'S NOT JUST A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION. IT'S NOT WE DON'T IT'S WE'RE NOT FOCUSED SOLELY ON, YOU KNOW, DISPOSING OF OUR SITES AND BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS BECAUSE THERE'S MOLD OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

WE OBVIOUSLY ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED WITH ENSURING THAT THERE IS A BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY OVERALL, NOT JUST TO BUILD A SITE OR DO A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.

SO I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO DOUBLE BACK A, I MY GOAL WAS NOT TO MAKE YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE PREPARED TO DO THIS JOB.

I THINK THAT THE TEAM DOES NEED TO BE EXPANDED TO INCLUDE SOMEONE THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ASSIST IN BUILDING OUT WHATEVER THE FINANCIAL ELEMENTS AND

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COMPONENTS ARE. WE NEED TO BE A PART OF THAT TEAM AS AN ORGANIZATION.

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON HERE BETTER THAN WE DO.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE FINANCIAL VEHICLES? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE? WHERE DO WE INTEND TO BE? YOU KNOW, AND IN DOING AN ANALYSIS, IF THIS IS GOING TO GO BACK OUT AND I AGREE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

I'M NOT OPEN TO THE IDEA. I'M SAYING THAT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TODAY IS NOT SOMETHING I'M PREPARED TO GIVE ANY DECISIONS ON.

THIS IS NOT I DON'T THINK WE'RE HERE YET. GIVEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE WE'VE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN.

YOU KNOW. FOR ME SPECIFICALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ADDING TO WHAT I JUST SAID OBJECTIVELY, I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE THIS A BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS.

I THINK THAT THERE'S SO MANY. WAYS THAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE SENSE. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS P THREES.

BUT I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER OPTIONS, SO MANY WAYS TO DO THIS. YOU COULD DO DESIGN BUILD, YOU CAN DO DESIGN BID BUILD. I MEAN WE COULD I DON'T KNOW ATTORNEY.

IS THERE A WAY TO DO A HYBRID APPROACH TO A PROCUREMENT WHERE WE'RE MAYBE LOOKING AT AN INVITATION AS WELL AS AN RFQ WHERE WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS MODELS BEFORE IT COMES TO SOME CONCLUSION FROM AN EVALUATION STANDPOINT, I THINK WE CAN OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT FLEXIBILITY AND GOING FORWARD TO ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO HAVE THE UTMOST FLEXIBILITY BEFORE MAKING A FINAL DECISION.

I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CREATE OUR OWN RULES.

AND BY CREATING OUR OWN RULES, WE CAN CREATE RULES THAT ALLOW THE COMMISSION HAVE THE UTMOST FLEXIBILITY IN DEALING WITH ANY PROPOSER PROPOSALS IN THE FUTURE.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE TRANSFER ALL RISKS, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN FROM THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS SO PRELIMINARY.

AND AND IT'S JUST, I THINK. YEAH. SO I THINK MANAGER, BASED ON KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES, I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A CONVERSATION. WE'VE BEEN HAVING THE CONVERSATION.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING IS REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING THE CONVERSATION SINCE I GOT HERE. THE CONVERSATION IS BEING HAD.

I THINK THAT THE APPROACH IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE RECONSIDERED.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE FOCUS, WE'RE FOCUSING A LOT ON FACILITIES AND WHAT WE THINK WE NEED BASED ON WE'RE SELLING IT.

THE SALE, THE PITCH IS WRONG. WE'RE SAYING IT'S THIS REASON OR THAT REASON.

WE NEED BUY IN. THERE'S NO YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THE BUY IN.

WE'RE GOING TO VOTE EITHER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

BUT I CARE ABOUT WHAT MY CONSTITUENTS THINK. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO ME.

I WILL GET BUY IN FROM THE COMMUNITY ON SOME LEVEL.

PEOPLE NEED TO FEEL A PART OF THIS MASSIVE PROJECT.

AND AGAIN YOU KNOW, THERE IS I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR REAL REVENUE FROM A PROJECT LIKE THIS IF PROPERLY NEGOTIATED.

AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED AS AN ORGANIZATION IN THE PAST THAT WE'VE NOT WE'VE NOT PUT TOGETHER THE PROPER TEAM, WHICH RESULTED IN FAILED ATTEMPTS AT DEVELOPMENT.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE NEED TO ENTERTAIN COMMERCIAL GROWTH IN OUR IN OUR CITY.

FOR LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY. BUT ARE WE COMING TO THE TABLE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE DOING THIS RIGHT? WE JUST CAN'T REPEAT PAST MISTAKES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE HESITANCY KIND OF LIES.

I THINK IF WE FELT A LOT MORE CONFIDENT IN WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED IN TERMS OF THE APPROACH.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED.

WE'RE NOT THIS WAS PREMATURE. THE RFP WAS PREMATURE FOR SURE.

AND I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS.

I AGREE. I THINK THE UNSOLICITED APPROACH IS THE BETTER APPROACH.

IF WE CAN USE THAT VEHICLE, LET'S USE IT. THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE NEED TO BOX INTO ANYONE.

WE KNOW OUR CITY BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE DOES.

AND AGAIN, WE IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WHATEVER WE DO NEXT FOCUSES HIGHLY ON THE FINANCIAL MODEL.

WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT FINANCIALLY THIS IS VIABLE FOR THE ORGANIZATION AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

UNDERSTAND? SO THROUGHOUT ALL THIS, WE HAVE ASKED FOR AN

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EASIER. SHOW US WHAT IS NEEDED, RIGHT. WE COME TOGETHER.

THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING AD NAUSEAM AND GOING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT EACH OF US HAVE SAID IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

WE NEED TO BE SPEAKING TO OUR POPULATION. WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU'RE TELLING US WHAT'S WRONG WITH OUR BUILDINGS AND WHAT IS NEEDED WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH BUDGETS, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE IN SILOS.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE CONNECTED, RIGHT? AND WE'RE TREATING THINGS AS IF THEY'RE NOT. AND WHICH COMES PART OF THE PROBLEM OF WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS ON PROJECTS, THEY ALL AFFECT EACH OTHER. SO I THINK WE'VE EACH SAID WE HAVE SOME ISSUES, WHATEVER OUR ISSUES MIGHT BE.

THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF DESIRE. THERE SEEMS TO BE AT LEAST CONSISTENT OR CONSENSUS ON A DESIRE TO THINK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.

THE COMMITMENT. AND I'VE USED THIS ALL THE TIME AND SOMEONE TOUCHED ON IT.

IT'S LIKE THE CAKE'S NOWHERE NEAR BAKED ON THIS ONE.

WE'RE PUTTING INGREDIENTS IN, IN, IN THE CART TO EVEN BRING OVER TO THE HOUSE TO COOK, BUT WE'RE NOT READY TO SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT PARTY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BAKE FOR IT. SO I'M REALLY NOT SURE ABOUT SOME OF THE BEST WAYS TO HANDLE IT. THAT IS ACTUALLY OUR CITY TEAM TO DO, NOT US ON WHICH IS THE BEST LEGAL WAY TO PROCURE WHAT WE'RE SEEKING, WHICH INCLUDES COMMUNICATION AND BUY IN AND DISCUSSION WITH OUR RESIDENTS.

BECAUSE I'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH RESIDENTS, SOMETIMES THEY'RE UP IN ARMS, AND THEN BY THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, IT'S UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE IT IS FEAR. AND WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF DOING THINGS INAPPROPRIATELY, NOT MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE FUTURE.

BUT WE CAN'T BE AFRAID BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE ELECTED.

WE ARE THE ONES SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WE KICKED THIS BALL DOWN THE LINE ANY LONGER.

THE 75 MILLION OR 80 MILLION, WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT TO USE WILL THEN GO UP TO THAT 110 THAT SOMEBODY WAS MAKING CLAIMS ON.

THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO GET CHEAPER, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A BETTER PROCESS TO KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS COMMITTED.

BECAUSE THE TAMARAC VILLAGE ONE, I DON'T THINK IT'S A FAILED ONE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WENT INTO IT, BUT THERE WERE PROBLEMS, RIGHT? LEARNING FROM A LITTLE BIT WITH THE COLONY WEST, IT WAS YOU COULD DO PATCHES ON THINGS FOR 25 YEARS, IT'LL LAST YOU. BUT IF YOU KNOCK IT DOWN, YOU GET YOUR SIX YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS, SHOW US IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE SHOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT IT MEANS WITH NUMBERS IN A WAY THAT WHILE WE MAY UNDERSTAND IT HERE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK TO OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL.

MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO CLOSE MY REMARKS BY SAYING THIS.

SO WE WANTED TO YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR WITH YOUR CONSENSUS, WE WANTED TO EXPLORE THE MARKETPLACE AND MARKETPLACE IS WHAT DICTATES SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS. AND SO THE MARKETPLACE HAS SPOKEN AND SAID, WE HAVE TWO POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING A PROJECT LIKE THIS WITH THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

AND THESE ARE OUR, OUR NUMBERS NOW. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW EXPLORE THE MARKETPLACE FURTHER. IF IN SEARCH OF A VISION THAT FITS BETTER TO THE COMMISSION'S EXPECTATIONS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THESE DEVELOPERS THINKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST $1 BILLION INVESTMENT, IF NOT MORE INTO A PROJECT OR A PARTNERSHIP LIKE THIS. THEY NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR COMMITMENT FROM, FROM THEIR PARTNERS AS WELL.

AND THAT'S US. SO WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR YOU KNOW, COMMITMENT IN TERMS OF PURSUING THIS YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPERS SO THAT THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY ONCE THE CONDITIONS ARE MET OR ONCE THE EXPECTATIONS ARE MET BY THE COMMISSION THAT YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT OR THE NEXT ONE WILL MOVE FORWARD.

SO BUT WE HEARD YOU AND SO WE NEED WE NEED TO PUT THIS TOGETHER BETTER AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND GO FROM THERE. OKAY. IF I CAN JUST SUM UP.

I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S CONCERNS. WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO PRESENT OFFERS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT NONE OF THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE ATTRACTIVE AT THIS POINT, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE REASONS WHY, AND THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH THE PROCESS AND ETC..

YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT FOR US TO DO IN THIS PROCESS.

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AND IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU NEED MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY IN ORDER TO EXPLORE MANY DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES IN TERMS OF SOLVING YOUR REAL PROBLEM, WHICH IS YOUR AGING FACILITIES AND HOW YOU UPGRADE THEM AND KEEP THEM SAFE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT FOR US TO DO WITHIN THIS PROCESS.

I'M SURE THAT WE'LL CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE GROUPS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST.

THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO PUTTING TOGETHER THESE PROPOSALS. YOU CAN SEE HOW THICK SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE. I MEAN, THESE ARE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'LL JUST STOP AT THIS POINT.

AND PERHAPS THAT ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY WILL ALLOW THEM TO GET SOME, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.

THAT SORT OF A FORMAL RFP PROCESS DIDN'T ALLOW FOR.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYBODY IS COMING FROM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT FOR US TO DO RIGHT NOW. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, GERARD, THAT THAT ACTUALLY CONCLUDES YOUR SERVICES.

THAT STARTED WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AT THIS POINT WITH THE REJECTION OF THE PROPOSALS AT THIS POINT.

BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR CONVERSATIONS, AS YOU SAID.

OKAY. APPRECIATE ALL YOUR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

I KNOW THIS HAS NOT BEEN EASY. THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU GO, CAN I GET COPIES OF THOSE? ARE WE ALLOWED TO GET COPIES SINCE IT'S OVER, WE PAID FOR IT.

WELL, IT'S STILL THERE, OR IT'S DONE. WE JUST HAVE TO.

WE CAN EMAIL YOU. JUST PLEASE EMAIL THEM. YEAH, JUST KICK IT OUT.

JUST TELL YOUR. YEAH, IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH COPIES FROM EVERYONE.

WAIT, SO THEIR ENGAGEMENT IS OVER? THEY WERE THEY WERE RETAINED FOR THIS SPECIFIC ITEM RIGHT NOW.

WHEN WE DID THE VOTE LAST TIME TO BRING THIS.

SO THANK YOU GUYS. GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 1150. WE ARE SUPPOSEDLY TAKING A BREAK AT NOON FOR LUNCH.

AS SUCH, DO NOT TAKE THAT BREAK NOW. EVEN THOUGH I KNOW PEOPLE ARE ASKING ME FOR A BREAK.

I'D LIKE US TO MOVE ONE E BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE QUICK IN TEN MINUTES.

SELECTION OF 2026 2027 FOR OUR LEAGUE OF CITIES BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

AND HOW LONG IS THE BREAK GOING TO BE? I BELIEVE ABOUT 30 MINUTES.

OKAY. SO THIS MEETING WILL RESUME AT ABOUT 1230 AFTER WE DO THIS.

SO IDEALLY WE'LL BE AT BREAK FROM 12 TO 1230.

IN CASE ANYBODY HERE IS WAITING AND WANTS TO TAKE A STEP OUT NOW AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 12.

ALL RIGHT, CITY CLERK, THIS IS ALL YOU. GOOD MORNING.

[1.e. Selection of the 2026/2027 Broward League of Cities Board of Directors Requested by Kimberly Dillon, City Clerk]

CITY. KIM DYLAN, CITY CLERK. SO, MAYOR, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS THE SELECTION OF A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION TO SERVE AS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, TO SERVE AS DIRECTOR WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, AS WELL AS SELECTING A ALTERNATIVE AND A SECOND ALTERNATE TO SERVE IN THE ABSENCE OF THE DIRECTOR. ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL ASK, WHO IS WISHING TO BE ON THE BOARD? CAN. TALK OUT LOUD? LET'S TALK OUT LOUD. MADAM CLERK, WHO'S THE CURRENT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED. YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE HAVE COMMISSIONER DANIEL SERVING AS THE DIRECTOR AND COMMISSIONER PATTERSON AS ALTERNATE AND VICE MAYOR BOLTON AS SECOND ALTERNATE. COMMISSIONER.

DANIEL. I'M FINE WITH KEEP IT. I LIKE CONTINUITY, BUT IF.

PATTERSON. WOULD YOU. IF IF YOU HAVE A DESIRE.

I DON'T MIND OR I WOULD I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT.

I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE LIST. I DON'T IT LOOKS LIKE THE DISTRICT THREE HAS.

I DON'T THINK MY PREDECESSOR EVER DID IT. IF IT'S OKAY, I DON'T.

YEAH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO IT. COMMISSIONER RIGHT, I AGREE.

SO WHAT I HEAR IS IT WOULD BE K COMMISSIONER.

DANIEL COMMISSIONER PATTERSON COMMISSIONER. DANIEL AND ALTERNATE IS MAYOR.

BOLTON SECOND. WE'VE GOT THREE. GO FOR IT. THANK YOU.

DO YOU WANT TO SERVE AS ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. I DON'T I DON'T GO TO THESE THINGS ANYMORE.

I'M I'M FINE. YEAH. I DON'T I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED ANYMORE.

IT'S LIKE I, I HAVE TWO YEARS LEFT. OKAY. SO IT WILL BE COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.

COMMISSIONER. DANIEL AND COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I'M SORRY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO THE ALTERNATES LIKE SO IF I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING, THEN I WOULD LET COMMISSIONER. OKAY. AND IF SHE'S NOT ABLE.

OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE DID THAT EVEN QUICKER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.

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SO YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S GET LUCKY. AND WE HAVE AN EXTRA EIGHT MINUTES.

WE'RE IN RECESS. WE'LL SEE YOU BACK HERE AT 1230.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK EVERYONE. IT IS 1231 AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.

[1.b. Discussion, and Consensus on the Speed Detection Systems for Enforcement of School Zone Speed Limits Presented by Tanya Sterling, Assistant to the City Manager & BSO Captain David Franks]

AND WE WILL START WITH ITEM ONE B DISCUSSION CONSENSUS ON THE SPEED DETECTION SYSTEMS FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS BEING PRESENTED BY TANYA STIRLING, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND BSO CAPTAIN DAVID FRANKS.

GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

THE ITEM TODAY IS BEING PRESENTED BY MYSELF AND CAPTAIN FRANKS, AND I FORGOT HIS NAME.

I'M SORRY, SERGEANT. SERGEANT HEALY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. IF I CAN PRONOUNCE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO THE ITEM BEING PRESENTED IS ON SPEED DETECTION SYSTEMS IN SCHOOL ZONES.

AND THE FOCUS FOR TODAY IS ON SAFETY COMPLIANCE AND A RECOMMENDATION FOR ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS FOR OUR PROGRAM.

SO TO GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND STATE LAW, HB 657 AUTHORIZES SPEED ENFORCEMENT IN SCHOOL ZONES. AND THIS IS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE AND NEEDS A DETERMINATION OF A HEIGHTENED SAFETY RISK.

THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY IN 2023 AND IN 2025 WITH NO CONSENSUS.

HOWEVER, ON MARCH 11TH, THE COMMISSION HAD CONSENSUS TO BRING THE ITEM BACK FOR RECONSIDERATION.

SINCE THEN, THE CITY CONDUCTED A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY THAT YOU'LL SEE TODAY, AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS CONDUCTED ON MARCH 23RD AND 24TH.

BUT BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I WANTED TO JUST QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT WHERE OUR SCHOOL ZONES ARE.

FOR TAMARAC ELEMENTARY, THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED ON UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND HAS A SCHOOL ZONE CORRIDOR LOCATED ON NORTHWEST 80TH AVE AT 75TH STREET. FOR DISCOVERY ELEMENTARY, ALTHOUGH NOT A TAMARAC SCHOOL, WE DO HAVE A SCHOOL LOCATION THAT IS LOCATED ON WEST COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AT NORTH PINE ISLAND ROAD.

FOR RENAISSANCE CHARTER, THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED ON UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND HAS A SCHOOL CORRIDOR ALONG NORTHWEST 80TH STREET AT THE INTERSECTION OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE. AND FINALLY, FOR CHALLENGER MILLENNIUM, THESE ARE TWO ADJACENT SCHOOLS THAT SHARE A SCHOOL CORRIDOR ALONG WEST COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND NORTHWEST 94TH AVENUE.

NOW TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AGAIN. THE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED ON MARCH 23RD AND 24TH, A TWO DAY STUDY AND THIS OCCURRED DURING THE TIMES BETWEEN 6 A.M. AND 6 P.M.. FOR TAMARAC ELEMENTARY, THE TWO DAY AVERAGE SHOWED 685 VIOLATIONS FOR DISCOVERY ELEMENTARY ON PINE ISLAND.

IT WAS FOR 89 AND COMMERCIAL 361. FOR RENAISSANCE.

THE TOTAL VIOLATIONS WERE 331 AND FOR CHALLENGER 192.

SO NOW THE TOTAL OF VIOLATIONS OF ALL THESE LOCATIONS SUMMED TO 2058.

AVERAGE OF TWO DAYS. OKAY. SO THE COST PER VIOLATION PER STATE STATUTE IS $100. AND STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THE FUND DISTRIBUTION BASED ON THE FOLLOWING.

SO $20 WOULD GO TO THE STATE CROSSING GUARD $5.

THE SCHOOL SYSTEM $12 FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THREE.

AND THEN THE MUNICIPALITIES OR A CITY WILL RETAIN $60.

FOR PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS, WE, YOU'LL SEE LATER ON THAT THE CITY WILL BE RECOMMENDING OUR STAFF WILL BE RECOMMENDING THAT WE UTILIZE PLANTATIONS AGREEMENT AND UNDER PLANTATIONS AGREEMENT, THE CITY WILL RETAIN $39 FOR RETENTION AND THEN PAY THE VENDOR $21 TO IMPLEMENT THAT PROGRAM.

NOW WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTED ANNUAL REVENUE. AND BASED ON THE STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED IN MARCH, THE 23RD AND 24TH, THE CITATION THAT WAS SHOWN BEFORE FOR THE AVERAGE IS 2058.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT $39 REVENUE, THE DAILY REVENUE FOR THIS IS ABOUT 80,000.

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AND WITH 180 SCHOOL DAYS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECTED REVENUE OF 14 MILLION.

NOW I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HERE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR CONTEXT.

THE FIRST SCENARIO IS NOT THE STATE STANDARD, NOT THE STATE, NOT THE NOT THE INDUSTRY STANDARD USUALLY MUNICIPALITY OR A STATE WOULD BE MUNICIPALITY WOULD LOOK AT A PROJECTED RATE BETWEEN 60 TO 80% BASED ON PAYMENT RATES AND ALL OF THAT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING MORE AT ABOUT 8 MILLION TO ABOUT 11 MILLION IN, IN ANNUAL REVENUE. NOW WE LOOK AT ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS AND POLICY CONTROL AND STATE, STATE ALLOWS FOR SEVERAL KINDS OF ENFORCEMENT. YOU MUNICIPALITY CAN CHOOSE TO DO ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT THE FULL SCHOOL DAY OR JUST DURING FLASHING SPEED ZONE TIMES. SO IT WOULD BE IN THE MORNING ONLY 30 MINUTES BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL STARTS OR IN THE AFTERNOON, 30 MINUTES BEFORE OR AFTER DISMISSAL. NOW, STATE LAW ALSO GIVES MUNICIPALITIES LOCAL CONTROL AS IT RELATES TO SELECTING THE ENFORCEMENT LOCATIONS, AS WELL AS SETTING ENFORCEMENT TIMES.

SO THIS GIVES MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITY THE ABILITY TO ADJUST THEIR PROGRAM BASED ON THE DATA.

AND AS CONDITIONS CHANGES WITH WITH, WITH DRIVING IN THOSE LOCATIONS.

SO THIS PROGRAM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE MAIN GOAL FOR THIS PROGRAM IS TO REDUCE SPEEDING AND IMPROVE SCHOOL ZONE SAFETY THROUGH BEHAVIOR CHANGE. SO THE PROGRAM IMPACT THEREFORE IS YOU'LL SEE THAT REVENUES WILL DECLINE, WHICH WILL REFLECT SOME FORM OF IMPROVED IMPROVEMENT IN SAFETY IN THOSE LOCATIONS.

JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND, NOT A BRIEF BACKGROUND, BUT HIGHLIGHTING THE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS BY STATE LAW.

SO SOMEONE WOULD GET A TICKET IF THEY'RE DRIVING TEN MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.

AND FOR THESE VIOLATIONS, IT HAS TO BE SOME FORM OF EVIDENCE PHOTO OR VIDEO.

A PROGRAM IS REQUIRED TO HAVE POSTED SIGNAGE AND PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS AND A PUBLIC NOTICE.

ALSO, THE PROGRAM SHOULD HAVE ABOUT 30 DAYS OF A WARNING PERIOD BEFORE A CITATION BEGINS.

VIOLATIONS ARE REVIEWED BY TRAINED ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

AND THE PROGRAM REQUIRES AN ANNUAL REPORTING BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

AND FINALLY, CAMERAS ARE TRIGGERED ONLY WHEN VIOLATIONS OCCUR, AND SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING USED MUST MEET ACCURACY AND VERIFICATION STANDARDS.

I'M GOING TO HAND OVER TO CAPTAIN FRANK WHO'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT FIELD OBSERVATIONS IN SCHOOL ZONES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CAPTAIN DAVID FRANKS, BROWARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. TAMARAC DISTRICT. BASICALLY, WE WANT TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF THE ACCIDENTS WITHIN THE SCHOOL ZONE CORRIDORS AS IT RELATES TO THE SCHOOL ZONE, SCHOOL ZONE CORRIDORS, THE ACCIDENTS HERE ARE RELATED IN THE CHARTS THAT ARE ABOVE.

SO IN 2025, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE RENAISSANCE, THERE WERE 71 ACCIDENTS.

NOW THESE ACCIDENTS ARE RELATED MORE TO WHAT COULD BE IN THAT AREA.

THAT DOESN'T JUST SAY THAT THERE'S SPEED RELATED.

THESE COULD BE REAR ENDED, THESE COULD BE LANE CHANGES, THESE COULD BE IMPROPER TURNS.

IN ADDITION, IT COULD ALSO BE WITHIN SO, SO MUCH OF A DISTANCE FROM AN ACTUAL INTERSECTION ITSELF.

WHEN WE DO THE ACCIDENT REPORTS IT WOULD SAY THERE ARE 100FT FROM THIS INTERSECTION OR SOMETHING OF THE SORT.

SO AS WE LOOK AT THE CHART ITSELF, IT DOES SHOW WHAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE SCHOOL ZONE ITSELF.

AND THEN THE TIME, TIME RELATIONS TO THE TO THE ACCIDENTS.

AND THAT WAY WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ACCIDENTS, BUT THEY ARE, THEY ARE RELATED TO THE SCHOOL ZONE IN THE SENSE OF THE SCHOOL ZONES ARE IN PLAY AND WHAT'S GOING ON DURING THEM.

I ALSO DID BRING SERGEANT SANTA LUCIA HERE. I CONSIDER OUR RESIDENT EXPERT ON TRAFFIC AND FLOWS AND ACCIDENTS.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON EACH ONE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, TO ASK IF I CAN.

I DEFINITELY WILL HAVE HIM RELATE TO THAT. SO BSO DID SOME FIELD OBSERVATIONS AND THIS WAS THE THE TRAFFIC UNIT THERE WERE IN THE RESIDENT RESIDENT RENAISSANCE RESIDENT RENAISSANCE CHARTER.

THE RENAISSANCE CHARTER DOES NOT HAVE AN ACTUAL SCHOOL ZONE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH ON UNIVERSITY, ALTHOUGH THE TRAFFIC IS AFFECTED BY THE UNIVERSITY CORRIDOR,

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IT IS NOT EXACTLY ON THERE. THE SCHOOL ZONE IS RUNS ON NORTHWEST 82ND STREET, BOTH EAST AND WEST OF UNIVERSITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF UNIVERSITY WHERE THAT IS. THE TRAFFIC THERE JUST BASICALLY GETS BACKED UP BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE GOING TO TURN IN THERE.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FREE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON THAT SIDE WHERE THE EFFECTIVE WOULD BE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE DETAILED DEPUTIES THAT ARE ON SITE AND THEY RESTRICT TRAFFIC AS THEY'RE GOING ON TO IT. NOW ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS NO, IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE SCHOOL AS IT BY INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE SCHOOL AND THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM IT.

IT WOULD JUST BE PEOPLE MAYBE TRYING TO GO STRAIGHT ACROSS AND CAN'T, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MANEUVER AROUND.

SO ON THAT SIDE, THE SCHOOL ZONE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVE.

TAMARAC ELEMENTARY TAMARAC ELEMENTARY HAS ONE SCHOOL ZONE THAT'S ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE SCHOOL ITSELF.

AND THAT WOULD BE OVER IN THE WOODMONT BY THE WOODMONT COUNTRY CLUB ON NORTHWEST 75TH STREET AND NORTHWEST 80TH AVENUE.

NORTHWEST 75TH STREET IS PART OF IT IS PROBABLY 20FT, 30FT FROM THE INTERSECTION.

IT'S VERY SHORT, BUT THE 80TH AVENUE ONE, IT'S VERY SHORT.

JUST IT KIND OF JUST GIVING YOU A, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S COMING TO THE MEETING, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, THE SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOL ZONE ITSELF WAS KIND OF LIKE AN INTERESTING PLACEMENT FOR IT. BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE SCHOOL ZONE IS STILL EXISTENCE AND I GUESS WAS PUT THERE FOR TAMARAC ELEMENTARY FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE WEST OF NORTHWEST 80TH AVENUE, WHERE THEY WOULD BE DOING THE CROSS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY STILL HAVE THE CROSSING GUARD THERE. I WOULD NEVER BE THE ONE TO SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE. THE TRAFFIC IS WAYS AS IT RELATES TO AS IT RELATES TO SCHOOL ZONES.

THAT WOULD BE BROWARD COUNTY. BUT YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT THAT DOES EXIST THERE YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S BASED OFF OF WHAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO USE IF THEY WANTED TO PUT THE ENFORCEMENT ON THAT.

AND THEN THE UNIVERSITY DRIVE CORRIDOR, I'M NOT SURE WHEN THEY DID THEIR STUDY THAT THAT WOULD GO ON IT.

BUT UNIVERSITY DRIVE ACTUALLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY SCHOOL ZONES WHATSOEVER IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

SO UNIVERSITY DRIVE AS IT AS IT GOES NORTH AND SOUTH IN FRONT OF TAMARAC ELEMENTARY, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT HAS THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT CROSSES OVER.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT SHOULD BE EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, BE AFFECTED BY THE ACTUAL UNIVERSITY DRIVE TRAFFIC.

SO THAT THAT WOULD BE ON THAT ONE. NOTHING THERE.

CHALLENGER MILLENNIUM. NO SIGNIFICANT SPEEDING CONCERNS WERE OBSERVED.

I BELIEVE THAT'S MORE ABOUT THE WHAT'S GOING ON IN 94TH AVENUE.

I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS IS WE PUT A LOT OF DEPUTIES THERE DURING THE SCHOOL ZONE HOURS JUST TO ENSURE TRAFFIC IS FLOWING.

TRAFFIC IS MOVING UP ON 94TH AVENUE IN FRONT OF CHALLENGER ELEMENTARY ITSELF.

THERE ACTUALLY ARE TWO SPEED HUMPS THAT ARE PUT THERE FOR SPEED CONTROL. ONE IS NORTH OF 57TH STREET AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF CHALLENGER ELEMENTARY.

THOSE ACTUALLY DO CONTROL SPEED IN THAT AREA.

HOWEVER, THE MARSHALL BOULEVARD WESTBOUND WOULD ALSO BE THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AND THAT ONE IS ONE THAT WOULD BE ALSO A THRUWAY FOR MAJOR TRAFFIC AND WOULD HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD PROBABLY BE SPEEDING.

AND THAT WOULD BE ALSO WHAT COULD BE RELATED TO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE AT NORTHWEST 94TH AVENUE.

AND ANYBODY COMING OVER FROM THE SUNRISE SIDE AND CROSSING THE ROAD.

AND DISCOVERY ELEMENTARY, ALTHOUGH DISCOVERY ELEMENTARY IS A SUNRISE SCHOOL.

THE SCHOOL ZONE THAT DOES COME INTO THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

THE, THE SCHOOL ZONE ITSELF IS ON WEST COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND RUNS FOR ABOUT WHERE THE COMMUNITY CENTER DOWN TO ABOUT WHERE THE WENDY'S IS.

JUST IN RELATION TO IT, BUT IT ALSO IS THE EFFECTS OF THE INTERSECTION THERE AT PINE ISLAND ROAD AND COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.

NOW PINE ROAD DOES. THE SCHOOL ZONE DOES RUN ON PINE ISLAND ROAD FROM COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD UP TO NORTHWEST 57TH STREET.

THE ONLY THING IS THAT THERE'S NO LIGHTS OR CONTROL SIGNALS ON PINE ISLAND ROAD.

AS YOU GO NORTH, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THAT YOUR SCHOOL ZONE IS CONTINUING.

IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON PINE ISLAND ROAD FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OR MAKING A TURN ONTO COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD FROM THE FROM COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD ONTO PINE ISLAND ROAD. SO THE NORTHBOUND ONTO IT IS IS A LITTLE BIT SHORTER.

AND WHERE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE AND CONTROL SIGNALS TO BE ABLE TO BE ENFORCEABLE THERE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CAPTAIN FRANKS. SO TO WRAP UP, WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT NOW IS THE ENFORCEMENT APPROACH AND THE RECOMMENDATION

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FOR THE CITY. AND WHAT WE WHAT WE, WHAT THE PROGRAM WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE RIGHT NOW IS TO FOCUS ENFORCEMENT ON HIGH RISK LOCATIONS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STATE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT IS, WE WANT TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT'S ALIGNED WITH FLASHING SCHOOL ZONE PERIODS FOR NOW, NOT AN ALL DAY ENFORCEMENT, JUST DURING FLASHING SCHOOL ZONE PERIODS.

AND OF COURSE, THIS WOULD BE DRIVEN BY THE DATA.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MONITOR THESE FOR RESULTS.

OF COURSE, AS IT RELATES TO THE LOCATION AND TIMING, STAFF WILL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH BSO TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT IS AT THE LOCATIONS. THAT IS ACTUALLY NEEDED AS IT RELATES TO IMPLEMENTATION.

THERE ARE SEVERAL STEPS. STEP ONE IS THE ORDINANCE, AND STEP TWO IS THAT WE'LL BRING THE CONTRACT TO ESTABLISH THE VENDOR.

AND STEP THREE IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR POLICY CONTROL, WHERE WE WILL DEFINE HOW THE PROGRAM OPERATES.

AND THEN WE'LL SET THE ENFORCEMENT LOCATIONS IN COLLABORATION WITH BSL.

AND AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE, THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CITY TO UTILIZE PLANTATIONS AGREEMENT. AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE A FEW KEY TERMS OF THEIR CONTRACT.

AND I'LL START WITH THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO UPFRONT COST FOR THE CITY UNDER THIS CONTRACT.

LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL REVIEW ALL VIOLATIONS. THE VENDOR WOULD HANDLE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.

THE CITY CONTROLS ENFORCEMENT, AS MENTIONED WITH THE LOCAL CONTROL PROGRAM IS FLEXIBLE.

AND RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A FIVE YEAR TERM WITH RENEWAL OPTIONS AND A 30 DAY TERMINATION CLAUSE.

AND FINALLY, THAT THE VENDOR WILL DEFEND ALL LEGAL CHALLENGES.

HERE I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE ARE A FEW NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES THAT UTILIZES THIS VENDOR AND FOR THEIR PROGRAM.

AND I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE THEY ARE WITH THEIR PROGRAM FOR DEERFIELD BEACH.

THEY ARE NOW LIVE AND ISSUING NOTICES OF VIOLATION.

COCONUT CREEK DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE. PLANTATION IS JUST NOW STARTING THE WARNING PERIOD.

LAUDERDALE LAKES IS IN PERMITTING AND BOTH LAUDERHILL AND FORT LAUDERDALE IS HAS RECENTLY APPROVED THEIR CONTRACT.

FINALLY WE'RE NOW LOOKING FOR COMMISSION'S DIRECTION TO CONFIRM THE RECOMMENDED ENFORCEMENT APPROACH, WHICH IS TO ENFORCE DURING FLASHING SCHOOL ZONE PERIODS, WHICH IS IN THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON PERIOD, 30 MINUTES AND 30 MINUTES AFTER. ALSO, STAFF IS LOOKING FOR AUTHORIZATION TO BRING THIS ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS THE PLANTATIONS AGREEMENT FOR APPROVAL.

AND AS IT RELATES TO IMPLEMENTATION, BOTH THE ORDINANCE AND CONTRACT CAN BE PRESENTED CONCURRENTLY WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THE CONTRACT EXECUTION IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ORDINANCE APPROVAL.

THANK YOU. AND WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS IF THERE IS ANY.

WELL, I'VE BEEN FOR IT. EVEN THOUGH I WASN'T REALLY FOR RED LIGHT CAMERAS IN GENERAL, BECAUSE I SEE HOW PEOPLE GO THROUGH. AND ACTUALLY I UNDERSTAND THE TIMING OF WHEN YOU PROBABLY DID YOUR STUDIES, BUT SOME OF THESE PLACES ARE TRULY THEY'RE SPEEDING.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND ON UNIVERSITY FOR RENAISSANCE CHARTER, THE REASON THEY'RE NOT SPEEDING PER SE, IS BECAUSE THE SPEED LIMIT THERE IS STILL 45.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT BREAKING ANY VIOLATIONS.

AND I'VE ALREADY DONE OUTREACH TO FIND OUT HOW TO CHANGE THAT AREA INTO A SCHOOL ZONE, WHICH REALLY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WHEN THE RENAISSANCE CHARTER TOOK OVER TARGET AND BECAME A SCHOOL.

BUT IT WAS WHAT IT WAS. IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND NOW WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX IT, BECAUSE YOU REALLY DO HAVE PEOPLE COMPLAINING THERE.

SO. I'M NOT REALLY SURE ON ARE WE SAYING WHICH PLACES WE'RE GOING TO DO OR WE'RE ONLY JUST RIGHT NOW YOU'RE ONLY ASKING FOR WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO THIS.

AND WE WANT TO DO SCHOOL ZONE TIMES ONLY. EXACTLY.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH BSO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE SELECTING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IT HAS TO SHOW A HEIGHTENED SAFETY RISK.

SO WHATEVER LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE DATA TO SHOW THAT THESE LOCATIONS HAVE A SAFETY RISK.

WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF THE MAJOR INJURIES AND THE CRASHES THAT HAVE OCCURRED ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND 94TH, WHERE KIDD ALMOST LOST HIS LEGS HAPPENED AFTER SCHOOL, BUT IT WAS AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMING.

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SO THERE'S STILL KIDS THERE. AND I'M GLAD THAT OUR CITY HAS WORKED TOGETHER WITH SUNRISE.

SO WE'VE GOT OUR CROSSING GUARDS THERE NOW. BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GO OVER TO THE RESTAURANTS OVER THERE AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.

I KNOW SUNRISE HAS IMPLEMENTED THEIRS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COMMERCIAL.

I DO AGREE REGARDING THE SIGNAGE. I TRAVEL ON COMMERCIAL TO PINE ISLAND OR 57TH QUITE OFTEN TO PINE ISLAND.

WHEN YOU'RE AT THE LIGHT OR AT YOUR STOP SIGN, YOU FUZZ OUT.

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY STILL IN A SCHOOL ZONE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO GIVE PROPER SIGNAGE TO GO, HEY, WAKE UP! YOU'RE STILL THERE. AND DEFINITELY NOT ON PINE ISLAND.

GOING NORTH, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT ENDS.

SO THE SIGNAGE THERE WOULD BE REALLY IF IF WE'RE TO DO THIS, SIGNAGE MUST BE PUT IN PLACE ON ALL THOSE AREAS.

SO NOBODY IS SAYING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TRAP THEM INTO A SPEEDING TICKET.

WHILE EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW, BUT THE REALITY IS YOU'RE FLASHING ALL THE WAY BACK HERE ON THE BOULEVARD, YOU'RE NOT NOTICING IT. SO OUT OF THE ITEMS THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, BUT AT THE SAME QUESTION, WHO'S PAYING FOR THE DEPUTY TO REVIEW? SO RIGHT NOW WE'LL USE UTILIZES THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.

THEY'LL BE TRAINED FOR THAT. AND AT THIS TIME IT WOULDN'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE CITY DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS. WELL, FORGIVE ME IF WE'RE TAKING THE, THE RESOURCE DEPUTY FROM DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

AND IT IS A COST TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING THE ORIGINAL JOB THAT THEY WERE INTENDED TO DO. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS IS WHAT STATE STATUTE SAYS IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A SWORN CERTIFIED OFFICER.

SO AFTER DISCUSSING IT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND DISCUSSING IT WITH OUR LEGAL, WE CAN USE ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDES AND HAVE THEM TRAINED AS A ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OWN DUTIES, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO THEIR CITATIONS OR DO WHATEVER.

IF THEY'RE NOT COMING IN AT MASSIVE AMOUNTS, THEN THEY CAN THEY CAN SPLIT THEIR JOBS AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM MANEUVERING THEM TO DO THAT. I STILL SAY THERE'S A FINANCIAL COST TO IT SOMEHOW, BECAUSE IF THE CSA IS USUALLY DOING SOMETHING AND NOW YOU'RE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL WORK TO THEM, AND WHEN YOU HAVE 850 A DAY ISH THAT THEY'RE REVIEWING, THAT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT.

SO THERE IS SOME KIND OF COST. WHEN WE HAD THE CONTRACT WITH THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS IN THE CITY.

THE ENTITY THAT WE CONTRACTED WITH MADE SURE TO PAY FOR THE TIME.

I KNOW THIS IS A PIGGYBACK. I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS STARTING TO DRIVE PEOPLE NUTS, I SEE.

BUT THERE NEEDS TO. THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF THOUGHT INTO THAT PROCESS TOO.

IT IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE SIGNIFICANT IN THE BEGINNING.

AND THEN THE GOAL IS TO HAVE COMPLIANCE AND PEOPLE NOT RUNNING THOSE LIGHTS.

IS THIS VENDOR OKAY WITH IT JUST BEING THOSE HOURS IN THE MORNING AND HOURS IN THE EVENING? YES. DISCUSSION WITH, WITH THE VENDOR SAYS THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

YOU KNOW, THE PROGRAM IS FLEXIBLE, SO WE'LL CITY WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO, YOU KNOW, TO CHANGE THAT BASED ON THE NEED.

OKAY. BECAUSE THEN IF THEY'RE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH WITH THAT ON THE PIGGYBACK CONTRACT THAT WE'RE DOING, THEN MAYBE WE CAN ASK THEM TO BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE ON SOME ASSISTANCE TO PAYING FOR THE TIME OF OUR CSA.

I DO. THEY'RE GETTING $21 A TICKET. IT'S A NICE SIZE.

I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, UNDERSTAND ALL THAT INITIAL WHATEVER. BUT THEY'RE NOT. THERE.

OKAY. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT WHERE IT IS MORE OF A SUM ZERO WHERE WE'RE NOT.

SO WE'RE NOT. SO WE'RE OKAY TO. YES. WE'RE OKAY.

AND AS FOR LOCATIONS, WE'LL DEAL WITH IT LATER.

OKAY. SO. COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. UNLESS I DON'T SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE.

I AM NOT SEEING THAT STUFF TURNED OVER. SO. OKAY.

GO AHEAD. YOU SAID IN THE MILLENNIUM, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ISSUES BECAUSE THERE'S A PRESENCE OF OFFICERS THERE.

I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT. AND THOSE TWO SPEED BUMPS TOO, BECAUSE YOU HAD THE ONE AT 57TH RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF CHALLENGER AND THEN ONE IN FRONT OF MILLENNIUM. AND YOU SEE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY WHEN THEY HIT IT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE GOUGE MARKS. SO PEOPLE GO FLYING OVER THERE MORE THAN TEN MILES AN HOUR.

THEY. THEY LEARN THE FIRST TIME, BUT USUALLY WITH THE CSA'S OUT THERE, WE HAVE TWO CSAS.

USUALLY 1 OR 2 OF THE MOTOR GUYS. WE SPLIT IT UP BETWEEN IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL AND THEN 94TH AVENUE.

OKAY. AND I THINK THE CAPTAIN MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A PRESENCE OF OFFICERS, OBVIOUSLY, THAT DETERS A LOT OF SPEEDING OR ANY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE OFFICERS PRESENCE. I THINK AI WOULD NEVER REPLACE, YOU KNOW,

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YOU FIND GENTLEMEN THAT WEAR AND WOMEN THAT WEAR THE UNIFORM.

I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL AND HAVING BODIES IN THOSE PLACES.

SO YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE ONLY DURING SCHOOL HOURS, RIGHT? SO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS SUNRISE AT DISCOVERY.

AND I KNOW IT BECAUSE I AVOID GOING THAT WAY DURING SCHOOL HOURS.

IT'S ALL DAY THERE. THEIR CAMERAS ARE ALL DAY.

SO I ACTUALLY AVOID DRIVING ON THAT ROAD DURING THAT TIME.

AND SOMETIMES AT NIGHT I STILL THINK THE CAMERAS ARE WATCHING.

BUT YOU KNOW, BUT BUT THAT'S YEAH. I SAW THEIR DISCUSSION AND THEIR STUFF IS ALL DAY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THAT BORDERS DISTRICT TWO. IN TERMS OF THE CAMERAS, ONE OF THE REASONS I JUST SAW THERE WAS A LANDMARK CASE IN BROWARD COUNTY WHERE A JUDGE RULED THAT INTERESTINGLY, IT WAS A TAMARAC RESIDENT DRIVING IN SUNRISE WHOSE CAR WAS PHOTOGRAPHED CROSSING AN INTERSECTION AND THE JUDGE RULED THAT RED LIGHT CAMERAS MIGHT BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I SAW THAT RECENTLY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THE JUDGE.

THE JUDGE CITED IS THAT THE CAMERAS CAN'T DETERMINE WHO IS DRIVING THE CAR.

THAT'S THE CONSTITUTIONAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL PART OF IT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN HAVE A SPOUSE OR SOMEONE DRIVING YOUR CAR AND, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH PLACES THAT ARE CARS THAT ARE REGISTERED TO YOU AND THEY CAN GET A TICKET ON THAT BEHALF. SO I READ THE CASE AND I SAW THAT THAT'S THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL PART OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS VENDOR HAS TECHNOLOGY TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN SEE WHO'S DRIVING THE CAR.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TO THAT LEVEL. SO YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING.

I'M JUST. I'M JUST READING THE CASE. I'M READING WHAT THE, THE THE CASE.

AND ALSO IN, IN THE CASE, YOU KNOW, THE JUDGE SAID THAT IT MIGHT BE WHERE SPEED ZONE CAMERAS MIGHT BE THE NEXT THING THAT PEOPLE TRY TO CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW? I ALWAYS SAY. SOGO'S. TAMARAC SUCUOGLU AMERICA, INTERESTINGLY, WAS A, A. TAMARAC. PRESIDENT. AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IN BROWARD COUNTY, THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN TERMS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PART OF IT.

AND IF YOU, I MIGHT COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. AND CAPTAIN FRANK, IF YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS, I BELIEVE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, IF A PERSON RECEIVES A TICKET FOR A VIOLATION AND THEY WEREN'T DRIVING, I BELIEVE THEY CAN WRITE AN AFFIDAVIT TO SAY THAT THEY WEREN'T THE PERSON DRIVING AND THE TICKET WOULD BE BE GIVEN TO THAT PERSON THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY, NOT THE PERSON THAT WASN'T DRIVING. BUT YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. THAT IS CORRECT. THE CITATIONS THAT ARE GIVING THROUGH THE READ SPEED ARE FOR THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS OR FOR THE SPEED SPEEDING VIOLATIONS IN IT.

THEY'RE DONE THROUGH THE CITY. THEY'RE A CIVIL FINE THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE CITY.

IT'S NOT BASED OFF OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUING THE CITATION.

SO WHEN WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS I WAS NOT THE DRIVER, OR IF THEY WISH TO CONTINUE TO CONTEST THE CITATION FORWARD, THAT THEY WILL BE ISSUED A UNIFORM TRAFFIC CITATION BY A BY A CERTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, OR ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S AUTHORIZED TO DO IT AT THAT POINT, THEN THAT WOULD BE MOVED TO THE THE BROWARD COUNTY COURT SYSTEM.

BUT OTHERWISE, THE ALL THE CITATIONS THAT ARE GIVEN TO THE RED LIGHT TICKETS AND FOR THE SPEEDING ARE HELD IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO FIGHT THEM.

IT'S A MAGISTRATE THAT WOULD BE HELD HERE AT THE CITY WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF.

OKAY. AND DO THEY GET POINTS ON THEIR LICENSE? IF IT'S IF.

NO, NO, THEY THEY COULD GET MULTIPLE CITATIONS ON IT.

THERE'S NO POINTS ON THE LICENSE. IT DOESN'T GO AGAINST. BASICALLY, THEY'RE SAYING ON THE RED SPEED CAMERAS THAT THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE VEHICLE IS THE ONE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VEHICLE ITSELF AND WHAT IT'S DOING.

AND TANYA, GIVING ME SOME HISTORY, I THINK MY RECOLLECTION, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I THINK THIS WAS PASSED IN THE STATE IN 2022 OR 2023.

23 THIS WAS PASSED IN THE STATE. ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS, THE LAST TIME IT CAME IN FRONT OF US, I SAW IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA, IT WAS PASSED IN 2018.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW THAT THEY WERE HAVING ISSUES, PEOPLE BEING INADVERTENTLY ISSUING TICKETS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

AND RECENTLY I SAW THAT THEY, THEY'RE NOW CREATING A CONSTITUTIONAL BAN TO GET RID OF THESE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS IN THEIR STATE.

QUOTING MACON, GEORGIA REPUBLICAN DAVE WASHBURN, WHO SERVED AS A CAMERA.

WHO'S GOT A CAMERA HIMSELF ARGUED THAT THE MOTIVE IS FINANCIAL.

HE SAID CAMERAS WERE DESIGNED NOT FOR CHILDREN'S SAFETY, BUT TO WRITE TICKETS AND BRING IN REVENUES.

JUST THAT THIS IS JUST ME DOING MY RESEARCH. I'M JUST MAKING SURE WHEN I MAKE A DECISION, I HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION POSSIBLE.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE CAMERAS AND THERE'S ALWAYS A TOUGH ISSUE.

IT WAS THE SAME THING WITH THE LPR. YOU KNOW, BALANCING SAFETY OF OUR KIDS IS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

AND I MEAN, IF THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT SAFER FROM WHAT YOU'VE SAID TO ME, AND ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT TWO, THEY SEEM TO KIND OF DETOUR A LOT OF STUFF AND DETOUR A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING.

AND I'M ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF MORE OFFICERS. SO FOR ME, I STILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE.

THANKS, COMMISSIONER. DANIEL. OKAY.

[02:20:01]

THANK YOU. THE PAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE PAYMENT, IS THAT FOR A FULL DAY, OR IS IT FOR THE TIME FRAME THAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING? THIS IS FOR A FULL DAY.

THIS IS THE STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED WAS FROM 6 A.M.

TO 6 P.M. AND THE, THE FOR THE PROJECTION I UTILIZE, YOU KNOW, THE STUDY TO SHOW AN AVERAGE OF THE 2058.

SO THIS IS ALL DAY. SO THEN SHOULDN'T YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE BASED ON THAT IF IT'S A MEANS OF INNOVATE? IF IT'S AN INNOVATIVE MEANS OF COLLECTING REVENUE FOR THE CITY, SHOULDN'T IT BE BASED ON THAT? WELL, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS WORKING CLOSELY WITH BSO AND FROM COMMISSIONERS, RIGHT.

SUGGESTION TO WITH THE SUGGESTION OF DISCOVERY TO DO ALL DAY THAT 1ST MAY WORK FOR ALL DAY BASED ON THE FACT THAT SUNRISE IS ALSO DOING AN ALL DAY ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE IT UNIVERSAL WITHIN THAT LOCATION.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN LOOK AT. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW HONED IN ONLY ON ALL THE, ON EITHER ALL DAY OR JUST DURING THE FLASHING SCHOOL, LIKE SCHOOL SCHOOLS. I WAS JUST SAYING, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT MONEY BEFORE THAT REALLY GRABBED MY INTERESTS.

SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SELLING IT, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD PUT HERE.

AND IF THERE'S NO REGARDING RENAISSANCE AND TAMARAC ELEMENTARY, IF THERE'S NO SCHOOL ZONE LIGHT ON UNIVERSITY, CAN IT STILL BE ENFORCED THERE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BULK OF THIS IS HAPPENING, I'M ASSUMING. YES, IT CAN STILL BE ENFORCED THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH THE VENDOR TO SEE WHATEVER SIGNAGE OR WHATEVER THAT WE'LL NEED.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY FLASHING, FLASHING. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO GET THAT FLASHING LIGHT.

SO YOU DO NEED A FLASHING LIGHT FOR THAT LOCATION.

THERE'S NONE THERE ON THAT LOCATION BECAUSE THE BIGGEST INCIDENTS THAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE OCCURRING.

IT'S NOT WHERE THE FLASHING LIGHT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT'S NOT WHERE THE FLASHING LIGHT IS.

SO IT WOULD BE IRRELEVANT. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK INTO ALL THE ENFORCEMENT.

WELL, LOOKING TO THE RIGHT LOCATION, HAVING THE RIGHT SIGNAGE, RIGHT WHERE THE PROBLEM ACTUALLY IS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES.

SO LOOK WHERE THE SAFETY ISSUE ACTUALLY IS AND IF YOU CAN LEGALLY PUT IT THERE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. SO THIS IS LIKE, AGAIN, PRELIMINARY, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH PSU.

AND SHOULD THIS ITEM COME FORWARD AGAIN FOR THE COMMISSION WITH THE ORDINANCE WE'LL HAVE THAT CONTRACT.

AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON THE BUSINESS RULE THAT SETS OUR LOCAL ENFORCEMENT.

AND WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THAT IRONED OUT AS IT RELATES TO WHAT THE CITY'S ENFORCEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO YEAH, AND I'M FINE WITH GOING WITH WHAT. JESUS COMMISSIONER RIGHT.

SAID BECAUSE IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT BECAUSE LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, I AGREE.

THAT MAKES SENSE. WHEN I SEE I JUST, I MAY NOT BE TRUTHFUL, BUT I AGREE THERE'S NO SIGNAGE TO TELL YOU TO GO.

15 IT REALLY ISN'T UNTIL YOU REACH THE SUN. OH, I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING 15.

AND THAT AREA, TO ME, IT APPEARS AS IF THERE'S ALWAYS A FLASHING LIGHT LIKE COMMERCIAL.

I TREAT IT LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS A FLASH BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS POLICE.

AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT FLASHING LIGHT COME ON, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY SCHOOLS THERE. SO I THINK ALL THEY MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA AND TO LOOK INTO UNIVERSITY. POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

I'M NOT I JUST SAID THAT ACROSS THAT STREET. I ACTUALLY DIDN'T LIKE THE ALL DAY PART OF IT BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU DON'T.

NO, NO, I WAS JUST TELLING YOU THAT I SEE HE MIGHT NOT.

BUT I'M SAYING IF WE'RE GOING FOR INNOVATIVE, I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE AROUND 10:00, 11:00.

HE AVOIDS IT, I DRIVE IT, I DRIVE IT EVERY DAY.

AND I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE THE POLICE IS GOING TO BE.

AND DON'T TELL HIM THAT. THEY'RE ON EITHER SIDE.

THEY KNOW OUR LICENSE PLATES. WELL, I DON'T SPEAK, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ME.

BUT BUT BUT THEN THE OTHER PROBLEM IT BRINGS IS IF YOU TRY TO GO AN ALTERNATE ROUTE LIKE NOB HILL OR RATNAB, THEN THAT'S PACKED. LIKE I WAS ON MCNABB THE OTHER DAY.

IT TOOK ME THREE STOPS, THE LIGHT CHANGING THREE TIMES BEFORE I EVEN GOT TO THE END.

SO. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH COMMERCIAL BECAUSE YOU DO.

AND THAT, THAT THAT'S THAT'S TRAFFIC CONTROL ANYWAY, CONTROLLING ITSELF BECAUSE THERE'S YOU CAN'T MOVE.

SO I'M FINE WITH THE ALL DAY ON COMMERCIAL SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE ALL DAY.

I KNOW HE'S NOT BECAUSE HE LIVES THERE, BUT TO ME THE LIGHT ALWAYS FLASHING AT CERTAIN TIMES.

[02:25:08]

SO BUT BUT DEFINITELY BY TAMARAC AND BY RENAISSANCE.

YEAH. YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR A SCHOOL ZONE AND NOT THE ONE I ATE YET, BECAUSE DURING SCHOOL HOURS, THAT'S THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TIME. WHEN THE SPEEDING OCCURS, NOT DURING AT LEAST WHAT I SEE.

IT'S LIKE FIVE 6:00 AROUND THOSE TIMES AND AT NIGHT.

AND IT'S NOT EVEN BY THE SCHOOL ZONE. AND IF I MAY IF THE IDEA IS TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR OF THE DRIVERS IN THOSE CERTAIN SPECIFIC LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL SAFETY IS KEY, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO DO THE ALL THE ENFORCEMENT LIKE SUNRISE AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING.

BUT JUST CLARIFY THE ALL DAY ENFORCEMENT. IT'S IF IT'S 45 MILES AN HOUR, YOU'RE NOT GETTING A TICKET.

IF YOU'RE AT 5050. IT'S 5555 AND OVER THE OLD ENFORCEMENT, IF I'M NOT BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WOULD BE LIKE HALF AN HOUR BEFORE THE SCHOOL ZONE STARTS AND THEN HALF AN HOUR, WHICH WOULD BE WHERE SCHOOL STARTS, AND THEN HALF AN HOUR, I GUESS, AFTER THE SCHOOL ZONE WOULD END IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO IT'S A FULL SCHOOL DAY THAT IT WOULD BE 6 A.M.

TO SIX, I THINK, WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT JUST EXAMPLE SCHOOL ZONE 8 A.M.

STARTS AT TAMARAC ELEMENTARY ENDS AT 330. SO IT'D BE 730 TO 4 IF IT'S A FULL SCHOOL DAY.

AND FORGIVE ME MAYOR FOR BOARDING, BUT WHEN YOU SAID AFTER SCHOOL, YEAH, THAT MATTERS.

YOU KNOW, JUST BEING A SCHOOL PRINCIPAL THAT TIME TO ME IS THE WORST BECAUSE THE KIDS ARE COMING OUT.

SOMETIMES THEY DON'T PUT ON THE FLASHING LIGHT AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

SO TO ME, IF THERE'S ANY AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM IS REALLY WHEN IT'S MOST DANGEROUS BECAUSE THERE'S NO WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, PEOPLE CROSSING GUARD OR FLASHING LIGHT? THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I DID MY RESEARCH.

I DID MY CHATGPT. OKAY. SO I SEE YOU ALL THE TIME GIVING TICKETS. I, I CAN SAY I DON'T LIKE SEEING YOU ON THE ROAD.

NO. YOU KNOW, MY, MY THING IS, ARE WE GOING TO LOSE POLICE PRESENCE FOR THIS OR WILL YOU KIND OF STILL BE AROUND? STILL BE AROUND? YEAH. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, TO LOSE POLICE PRESENCE, YOU KNOW, TO ROBOTS BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT ABOUT TICKETS AND CURBING THE THE BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE. IT'S MORE OF ALSO KEEPING OUR SCHOOLS SAFE.

AND HAVING A POLICE OFFICER CLOSE. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THOSE.

WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM? CROSS. SROS. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SROS, BUT SOMETIMES WHEN WE HAVE POLICE PRESENCE, PRESENCE, PRESENCE NEAR SCHOOLS, IT'S ALSO A DETERRENT FOR OTHER CRAZY THINGS THAT PEOPLE WOULD WOULD THINK CRAZY, RIGHT? AND, AND NOT SAYING THAT SROS AREN'T YOU KNOW EFFECTIVE, BUT IF YOU LOOK, LOOK BACK ON PARKLAND, YOU KNOW, SOME OFFICERS DIDN'T RUN IN, RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT'S WHY ISRAEL WAS, WAS THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.

BUT YOU KNOW, YOU NEED AT LEAST SOME POLICE PRESENCE AROUND SO THAT IT DETERS OTHER THINGS AND IT DETERS PEOPLE'S MINDS. WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE. I WAS ONE OF THEM THAT THAT THAT, THAT HATED RED LIGHT CAMERAS.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK INTO OUR CITY RECORD, I CAME TO CITY HALL EVERY DAY ASKING FOR THEM TO BE TAKEN DOWN.

WHICH IS KIND OF WHY I DID NOT LIKE THIS PROPOSAL THE FIRST TIME AROUND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, I HATE BEING LOBBIED. AND, YOU KNOW, NUMBER TWO, I HATE RED LIGHT CAMERAS.

SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A NO BRAINER AT THE TIME.

AND, AND SO IF WE DO AN ALL DAY ENFORCEMENT, I THINK IT'S RED LIGHT CAMERA 2.0 BECAUSE THEN OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL TIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET TO GO TO AN ICE CREAM SHOP AND YOU PROBABLY GET A TICKET.

AND SO LIKE THE SPEED, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, I MEAN.

[02:30:07]

EXCEPT FOR ME, WE'RE ALL HUMANS, RIGHT? SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, SO.

SO IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEED SOMETIMES WHEN AND FOR GOOD CAUSE SOMETIMES.

WHICH LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE CLOSE.

DO WE HAVE ANY SCHOOL ZONES THAT'S CLOSE TO A HOSPITAL? THE ONLY ONE WOULD BE THE ONE ON 80TH AVENUE AND 75TH STREET.

YEAH. COMING DOWN THROUGH WOODMONT ITSELF. YEAH.

WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE IF SOMEONE WAS GOING IN THROUGH THE BACK WAY TO THE EMERGENCY AREA OF YEAH, OF HCA WOODMONT. RIGHT. BECAUSE I REALLY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS, LIKE PEOPLE THOUGHT THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS WAS A LITTLE BIT PREDATORY BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE TO A HOSPITAL.

AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO SPEED INTO A HOSPITAL IF YOU'RE HAVING AN EMERGENCY.

AND THEY WERE GETTING TICKETS BECAUSE THEY WERE SPEEDING INTO AN EMERGENCY, SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT TOO.

SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY START OFF A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE TO DO THE 30 MINUTES BEFORE AND 30 MINUTES AFTER.

BECAUSE OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LIKE A, A RED LIGHT CAMERA 2.0.

AND IT'S LIKE, I STILL HAVE A QUITE A DISDAIN FOR RED LIGHT CAMERAS.

AND IF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING INTO MY SPENDING BASED ON WHAT THE MAYOR SENT TO THEM REALLY WOULD LOOK BACK AT MY SPENDING TO SEE THAT I PAID FOR RED LIGHT CAMERA TICKETS ON BEHALF OF RESIDENTS.

AND I ALSO PAY FOR WATER BILLS ON BEHALF OF RESIDENTS AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING INTO SPENDING.

THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT. SO REALLY AND TRULY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LET'S, I WOULD APPEAL TO US TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GO SLOW ON THIS. I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT CAN BE MADE AND SO FORTH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST TAKE THIS SLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS IS THAT IT FREES UP POLICE OFFICERS TO HAVE HIGHER, HIGHER PRIORITY WORK. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST STILL KIND OF HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO I CAME IN LATE ON THE PRESENTATION. SO IF I ASK A QUESTION THAT IS, WAS ALREADY PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, PLEASE FEEL FREE NOT TO ANSWER. SO WHAT MEASURABLE REDUCTION IN CRASHES HAVE YOU ACHIEVED? HAVE RED SPEED ACHIEVED IN COMPARABLE CITIES.

THAT INFORMATION I DO NOT HAVE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE METRICS.

IF I GO BACK AND LOOK, I COULD PROBABLY REACH OUT TO BELIEVE IT WAS.

IT WAS DEERFIELD BEACH. I KNOW THAT THEIR PROGRAM IS NOW LIVE AND THEY'RE ISSUING VIOLATIONS.

I CAN FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN ANY KIND OF PERFORMANCE METRICS AND FIND OUT HOW THAT'S WORKING FOR THEM.

I KNOW THAT PLANTATION, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOW STARTING THEIR WARNING PERIOD.

I CAN, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO THE VENDOR AS WELL AND FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CITIES THAT HAS A STRONG PROGRAM ALREADY IMPLEMENTED AND SEE WHAT, WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT. AND I KNOW IT'S A $100 TICKET, RIGHT? YES. AND IN THE BEGINNING, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT HARMFUL.

BUT YOU KNOW, FROM MY RESEARCH IN HOLLYWOOD, I BELIEVE THAT CITY WAS.

I DID MY RESEARCH. I SAW, I SAW, I SAW THAT THIS, THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS $100 TICKET CAN BECOME LIKE A UNIFIED UNIFORM CITATION WHERE IT BECOMES A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE.

SO CAN WE ALSO LOOK INTO HOW OTHER CITIES ARE, ARE DEALING WITH THAT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, I LOOK OUT FOR OUR RESIDENTS FIRST.

I MEAN, BY ALL MEANS, IF SUNRISE IS SPEEDING THROUGH HERE, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM A $300 TICKET.

BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I MEAN, OUR, OUR RESIDENTS, LIKE, I, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR RESIDENTS LIKE TRYING, TRYING TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, DO I FEED MY CHILD OR DO I PAY FOR A TRAFFIC TICKET? AND IF I DON'T PAY FOR A TRAFFIC TICKET, DO I GET MY LICENSE SUSPENDED AND THEN DRIVE WITHOUT A DRIVE, WITH A SUSPENDED LICENSE, AND THEN GET ANOTHER TICKET FOR DRIVING ON A SUSPENDED LICENSE?

[02:35:04]

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW.

HEARING THIS, THIS ITEM AGAIN, JUST JUST GIVE ME TRIGGER POINTS.

BECAUSE LIKE, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS, THE REASONS WHY, LIKE I DIDN'T LIKE IT FROM BEFORE.

WHAT ARE YOU WHISPERING OVER THERE? OKAY. WHAT IS THE ERROR RATE AND HOW, HOW ARE MISTAKES HANDLED? SO DO WE HAVE ANY DATA FROM, LET'S SAY THE RED LIGHT TICKET CAMERAS WHEN THEY WERE HERE, LIKE, OR HOW DO WE FORESEE ERRORS BEING BEING HANDLED? ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE CITATIONS, WHEN IT'S BEING REVIEWED BY THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, THEIR JOB IS TO NOT ONLY LOOK, THERE'S, THERE'S PHYSICAL PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND ALSO VIDEO EVIDENCE.

SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO WATCH A VIDEO TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE SEEING MATCHES WHAT THE THE, THE, THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN TOLD TO THEM THROUGH THE THE SYSTEM ITSELF.

SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT BASICALLY SAY, I HAVE REVIEWED IT AND THIS, AND THEN WE FOUND THAT THERE'S PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT YOU COMMITTED THAT ACT.

OKAY. I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE A LOT OF MONEY TO BE GENERATED FOR THE CITY.

SO AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I WANT TO MAYBE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE ON THE WORKSHOP THAT TALKS ABOUT YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN SPEND SOME OF THIS MONEY TO HELP RECRUIT RESIDENTS, THEIR KIDS INTO INTO BECOMING A POLICE OFFICER AND A FIREFIGHTER.

ESPECIALLY BLACK AND BROWN CHILDREN. BECAUSE IT'S STILL AN ISSUE ESPECIALLY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOT HAVING YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CHILDREN THAT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY COMMISSION A PART OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO I'D HOPE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE FUNDING HERE TO FUND EXPLORER OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG KIDS. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING OUR VSO OFFICERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE ONE DAY CEREMONY, BUT KIND OF LIKE AN ONGOING THING WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE CARE OF, WE FUND IDEAS TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR MENTAL HEALTH AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

I THINK LIKE POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS GO HOME WITH SO MUCH TRAUMA.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TRAUMA. I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW THAT SO MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GO OUT, GO HOME WITH WITH TRAUMA, AND WE CAN'T JUST ASSUME THAT SOMEBODY IS OKAY.

RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT JUST LOOK AT THIS FUNDING TO BE, OH MY GOSH, THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY COMING IN FOR THE CITY, BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO GIVE BACK TO THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS? AND HOW ARE WE TAKING CARE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS NOW? SO YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

I'M NOT RUNNING FOR MAYOR, SO I DON'T I COULD CARE LESS.

SO WE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT IN SHORT ORDER.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, $39 IS A LOT OF MONEY PER TICKET, BUT WE CAN EARMARK SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR, FOR PROGRAMS AT LEAST THAT THE COMMISSION DISCUSSES AND APPROVES.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROLLOUT STRATEGY WILL GIVE A WARNING PERIOD FOR 30 DAYS FIRST, BUT IS IT JUST LIKE A SIGN THAT IS UP FOR WARNING OR WILL WE MAIL SOMETHING AND SAY, HEY, YOU WERE SPEEDING.

THIS IS NOT A TICKET. BUT IF YOU DO THIS IN EXACTLY ANOTHER 25 DAYS, YOU WILL GET A TICKET.

IS THAT WHAT IT IS? NO. FOR MY MEMORY FROM THE LAST TIME DISCUSSION WITH THE VENDOR, I BELIEVE IT'S A FULL CAMPAIGN.

IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, FLIERS OR SOMETHING.

IT WILL BE INCLUDE VIDEOS. IT WOULD INCLUDE SOME KIND OF ROBUST MARKETING EFFORT TO LET RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THIS IS NOW IN PLACE.

I WANT SPEEDERS TO BE MAILED. SO SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BECAUSE SPEEDERS, SPEEDERS HAVE A HABIT OF SPEEDING MAILED. NO NO NO NO NO. I WANT I WANT SPEEDERS TO TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE MAIL THAT SAID YOU, YOU, YOU SPED THROUGH THIS ZONE.

[02:40:03]

AND IF YOU DO IT AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A TICKET.

CAPTAIN FRANK JUST TOLD ME THAT THEY DO HAVE A WARNING CITATION.

SO THEY WILL GET THAT AS A WARNING. OKAY. IT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

I THINK THE 30 DAYS I SAW FOR THE FLOOR. OR YOU'RE ASKING THEM FOR PERMISSION TO SPEAK.

OKAY, YOU CAN SPEAK. YOU JUST HAVE TO ASK HER FOR PERMISSION AND THEN YOU TAKE IT.

I KNOW THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ASKING, BUT GO AHEAD.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU DO YOUR DO YOUR RESEARCH ON THAT, BUT GO AHEAD.

NO, THE THE THE INFORMATIONAL PERIOD. ARE YOU GOING TO SEND IT TO THE RESIDENTS? ARE WE GOING TO MAIL IT? ARE WE GOING TO SEND A MAIL SAYING THAT THIS HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF? BECAUSE OUR SUNRISE HAD A BIG SIGN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IN 30 DAYS THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE IN FORCE. SO JUST JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, EXACTLY HOW WOULD THAT BE DONE? IF IT PASSES, WE CAN WORK. I'M SO SORRY. I'M SORRY.

I KNOW THERE'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, BUT ACTUALLY THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER THING THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE TOUCH BASE. SO I'LL SEE MY QUESTION. YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE THE TERMINATION IS 30 DAYS BECAUSE WE'RE PIGGYBACKING ON PLANTATION. YES. SO WE CAN, WE CAN EXIT WITHOUT ANY COST BECAUSE WE'RE ENTERING WITHOUT COST.

SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR, OH, YOU'RE EXITING, SO YOU HAVE TO PAY A FEE TO TAKE DOWN THIS, THIS POLE AND TAKE DOWN THIS EQUIPMENT AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. IT'S ZERO COST TO EXIT, COST TO EXIT.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT HANS IS REVIEWING THE CONTRACT, MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE IN PLACE.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU LOOK AT THAT, HANS. OKAY. AND THEN SEND IT TO ME MAXINE CALLOWAY AFTER THAT.

SO SHE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THAT. I'M NOT SURE OF THE HARDWARE, BUT I CAN FIND OUT.

AND WE GET TO KEEP THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, THE POLES IN THE THEY MAY WANT TO TAKE THAT DOWN.

I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO HOLD ON TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE? THEY MAY WANT TO. YEAH. BIG BROTHER MAY WANT TO WATCH YOU IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.

MY TESLA ALREADY WATCHES ME AND PROBABLY LISTEN TO ALL MY CONVERSATIONS, SO I KNOW, RIGHT? GO, ELON. OKAY. WHAT HAPPENS IF VIOLATIONS DROP SIGNIFICANTLY? DOES THE PROGRAM STILL MAKE SENSE FINANCIALLY? IF. BECAUSE THEN EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SAY, OH, I'M GOING TO GET A TICKET.

SO LET ME DRIVE LIKE MY GRANDMOTHER DOES. AND SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, VIOLATIONS MIGHT, MIGHT DROP DROP SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO. WELL, HAVE YOU FACTORED IN OR THE VENDOR FACTORED IN IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FINANCIALLY? AND ALSO, DO THEY HAVE THE SAME 30 DAY OPTION TO EXIT THE AGREEMENT? OR DO WE, OR ARE WE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE THAT? I'M NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT IT, BUT I'LL DEFINITELY WRITE THIS DOWN AND COME BACK WITH THE INFORMATION FOR THAT ONE.

I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE I VICE MAYOR PROBABLY HAS SOME PROVISION THAT MAYBE REVENUE BASE IN TERMS OF THEM KEEPING THAT THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD.

SO WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK. OKAY. WHAT IS THE APPEALS PROCESS? FOR, FOR THESE TICKETS? I BELIEVE AS CAPTAIN FRANKS MENTIONED, THAT WE WILL HAVE THE, THE MAGISTRATE AND ITS LOCAL MAGISTRATE THAT THE VIOLATIONS WOULD GO THROUGH.

AND FROM THERE THERE IS THE UNIFORM CITATION FROM THAT.

YEAH. COULD WE HAVE LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU BECAUSE COULD WE HAVE A SEPARATE MAGISTRATE THAT THAT DEALS WITH ONLY TRAFFIC TICKETS? WE CAN HAVE THAT. OKAY. WE CAN. I THINK WE HAD THAT WITH RED LIGHT CAMERA HERE ALSO.

BUT FROM MY SON'S EXPERIENCE, I GET ALL THE TICKETS.

YOU GET 30 DAYS TO EITHER PAY OR APPEAL. AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE THAT ACTION, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST YOU KNOW, EITHER YOU YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE EVENTUALLY MAY BE SUSPENDED.

OKAY. AND, AND WHEN I SAY MAGISTRATE, I, I PARTICULARLY DON'T WANT THOSE, THOSE CRAZY LAWYERS.

NOT THAT ALL LAWYERS ARE CRAZY, BUT SOMETIMES LAWYERS DON'T HAVE A.

YEAH. I'M TRYING. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT SOMEBODY THAT HAS A HUMAN TOUCH.

AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LAWYERS ARE, ARE TOO, YOU KNOW, WELL, DOING THEIR LAWYER THING.

SO I, I HOPE THAT YOU ARE THE ONE THAT CHOOSES MAGISTRATE OR IS IT WRITTEN IN CODE? WELL, OBVIOUSLY WITH WORK WITH THE MANAGER, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

YEAH, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT THE CODE TO SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE A LAWYER.

[02:45:01]

RIGHT NOW, I THINK OUR CODE INDICATES THAT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE.

OKAY. SO WE. SO CAN WE HAVE CONSENSUS, A PART OF THIS TO CHANGE? CAN WE WAIT TILL WE GET TO THAT PART WHERE WE'RE HAVING. OKAY. CAN YOU WAIT TO LET ME FINISH MY SENTENCE? OH, NO. YOU'RE ASKING CONSENSUS. NO, NO, NO. CAN WE WAIT? CAN WE WAIT? CAN YOU WAIT? CAN YOU WAIT TO HAVE ME FINISH MY SENTENCE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF BED YOU SLEPT IN LAST NIGHT, BUT I WOULD NEED TO FINISH MY STATEMENT.

SO A PART OF THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE TIME CONSENSUS TO HAVE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.

AND THAT THAT MAGISTRATE SHOULD NOT BE AN ATTORNEY.

SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. I THINK, I THINK THE GUIDANCE WOULD BE TO NOT MAKE IT AN EXCLUSIVE CLUB AS ATTORNEY, JUST OPENING UP THE MAKE IT BROADER.

AND YOU WANT, YOU DEFINITELY WANT SOMEBODY WITH SOME EXPERIENCE AND OF COURSE, AND BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN EVEN RESIDENTS COME TO THE MAGISTRATE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SERIOUS THING, BUT IT'S JUST SO THERE'S NO HUMAN VALUE. THERE'S, THERE'S JUST.

YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. THE CONCERN IS MAKE THE POOL A LITTLE BROADER.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. MAY NOT FIND ONE. MAYBE AT THE COURTHOUSE WE'LL FIND A MAGISTRATE.

CORRECT. I THINK, YOU KNOW. OR SOMEBODY FROM THE WOODLANDS.

MAYBE A RETIRED LAWYER. CAN'T PRACTICE LAW. WHAT SAFEGUARDS EXIST TO PREVENT FALSE OR UNFAIR CITATIONS? VICE CHAIR.

THAT WOULD BE THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR THEM TO REVIEW THE CITATION, AND THEY'RE BASICALLY SWEARING TO TEST WHAT THEY'VE SEEN IS TRUE AND ACCURATE.

OKAY. AND HOW DO WE ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH FDOT PLACEMENT GUIDELINES? ANOTHER QUESTION I'M GOING TO BE WRITING DOWN TO BRING BACK TO YOU.

YOU CAN TELL THE QUESTIONS ARE, ARE GOOD WHEN YOU HAVE TO LIKE WRITE THEM NOW AND GET BACK TO YOU.

THANK YOU FOR CHATGPT. I APPRECIATE YOU, RIGHT.

MAUREEN. OKAY. WELL, I HAVE A LOT MORE.

OKAY. I THINK I THINK THAT'S IT FROM, FROM MY QUESTIONS FOR FOR NOW.

I MEAN, I CAN'T SAY IT'S A IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM.

I, I DON'T I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T 100% ENDORSE IT.

FROM A SCHOOL SAFETY POINT OF VIEW, I ENDORSE THE PROGRAM FROM A POINT OF VIEW WHERE, YOU KNOW, MY CHILD IS BEING PROTECTED AND SOMEBODY MIGHT JUST ONE DAY DECIDE TO RAM THROUGH THAT SCHOOL ZONE AND HURT SOME KIDS.

FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, I SUPPORT THE PROGRAM FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT LOOK LIKE A RED LIGHT CAMERA THING AND GIVING PEOPLE TICKETS AND SOMEBODY HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PAYING A TICKET AND TAKING CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN THAT'S GOING TO SCHOOL.

I DON'T SUPPORT IT FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW. BUT I'M WILLING TO START THE PROGRAM, TRY THE PROGRAM, SEE HOW IT WORKS AND IF IT BECOMES SOME SORT OF A CRAZY PROGRAM.

I'M THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE THE 30 DAY EXIT TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT.

COMMISSIONER. DANIEL, IT'S YOUR TURN. HI, CITY MANAGER.

SO I WAS DEFINITELY AGAINST IT THE LAST TIME.

GUNG HO AGAINST IT. BUT WHEN I SAW THOSE NUMBERS OF WHAT THE CITY COULD MAKE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. INNOVATIVEWARE. IT'S NOT A BURDEN ON OUR RESIDENTS.

SO I AM WILLING TO CHANGE MY MIND, BECAUSE THIS IS A WAY FOR BRINGING IN REVENUE WITHOUT INCREASING TAXES.

ABSOLUTELY. AND IF IT'S ON THOSE MAJOR CORRIDORS, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO EVEN BE TAMARAC RESIDENTS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S AN EYE OPENER. AND TO SEE SO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ON COMMERCIAL, IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE NEED TO BE HONEST, THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD RECONSIDER THAT SOME.

I'M OKAY WITH CHANGING MY MIND WHEN I SEE SOMETHING WORKS, I'M WAY MUCH RATHER VOTE FOR THIS THAN 100 100 MILLION.

SOUNDS GOOD. SO I KEEP SAYING THE 100 MILLION THEN $100 MILLION PROJECT.

SO I'M FOR IT. I'M ACTUALLY FOR THE ALL DAY EVEN I HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER IS SAYING, BUT DON'T WE HAVE THE LEEWAY AS A SO KEEP BRINGING PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT BRINGS REVENUE IN. OKAY. YEAH, PLEASE. SO THAT WE CAN ALLEVIATE JUST FOR RECORD, IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY.

OKAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE JUST WANT TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

RIGHT? HOWEVER, THE POLICE ARE GOING TO STILL BE THERE.

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YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. SO YEAH, THE GOAL IS JUST DOUBLE.

THE GOAL IS PUBLIC SAFETY. YES. OKAY. OKAY, I SHUT UP.

BUT KEEP BRINGING IN PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT BRINGS TECHNOLOGY AND, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT WAY TO RUN BUSINESS.

I THINK THIS IS INNOVATIVE IN A SENSE, BUT I SAY ALL DAY BECAUSE THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM.

I KNOW ALL JOKES ASIDE, IT IS VERY DANGEROUS IN AFTER SCHOOL TO THE POINT WHERE WHEN I WAS A PRINCIPAL, I LITERALLY WALKED IN MYSELF. IT IS. IT REALLY IS.

SO IN WHATEVER YOU DO, MAKE SURE IT'S ALL DAY TO INCLUDE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. SO IF THAT MEANS IT'S UNTIL 6:00, 630, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE UNTIL 6:00, 630.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, DO IT RIGHT WHERE IT FILLS THE GAP, WHERE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SAFETY AND SECURITY DURING THAT TIME.

SO IF YOU DON'T WANT IT AND I HEAR YOU COMMISSIONER IF I MAYOR, IF WE DON'T WANT IT IN THE DAYTIME WHEN THE KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL, FINE, BUT IT NEEDS TO GO AT LEAST TILL 630 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THERE'S.

LET ME BE CLEAR. THERE'S ALWAYS AFTER SCHOOL, ALWAYS.

I DON'T KNOW ANY BECAUSE EVERY SCHOOL HAVE AFTERCARE.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS AFTER SCHOOL. SO I THINK IT SHOULD AT LEAST GO TO 630.

AT ALL LOCATION, I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE, THE MAIN LOCATION LIKE PINE ISLAND UNIVERSITY COMMERCIAL.

YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE SOUTH GATE, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE MAIN STREETS, NOT 88 WHERE IT'S DEFINITELY OUR RESIDENTIAL.

BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING ADA AS A CUT THROUGH ANYWAY, SO WHO KNOWS.

YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT AND THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER. YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THIS CONVERSATION, WE ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT TALK ABOUT SPEEDING PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THROUGHOUT THE AREA. AND I KNOW WE HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL YOU KNOW, RIGHTS AND WE HAVE STATE STATUTES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY CLEAR ABOUT THE, THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS, BUT THINKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, INNOVATIVE IDEAS OR INNOVATIVE WAYS TO TO REDUCE THE BURDEN ON THE RELIANCE.

YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT, THESE SOLUTIONS ARE BEING UTILIZED AROUND THE WORLD FOR SO MANY YEARS AND SO MANY YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW AND IT'S JUST NOW BECOMING A A POSSIBILITY IN US SOME STATES ARE MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN THE OTHERS. AND WE HAVE GREAT DEAL OF PROTECTIONS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SPEEDING IS A, IS A MAJOR PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY, NOT JUST IN THE SCHOOL ZONES, BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, MAYBE BECAUSE I'M GETTING MORE LET'S SAY WISER, NOT OLDER.

YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I'M MORE DISTURBED BY THE THE, THE SPEEDING PROBLEMS THAT WE WITNESS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND THERE'S JUST SUCH DISREGARD FOR, FOR YOU KNOW SPEED SIGNS OR TRAFFIC SIGNS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR AND SAY AT LEAST BEGINNING WITH THESE DESIGNATED AREAS, I WOULD SAY THE ALL DAY. YOU KNOW ENFORCEMENT IS MORE IS MORE EFFECTIVE IN CHANGING THE BEHAVIOR FOR SURE. WHEN YOU SAY THAT, REMIND ME OF I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE IN EUROPE, MAYBE ENGLAND, THEY HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION, LIKE THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND IT'S A COP OUT, AS YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T ME. WELL, WHO WAS IT? IT WAS YOUR CAR, RIGHT? SO SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY WAS DRIVING IT.

AND I MEAN, FOR THAT CLUELESS, YOU KNOW. AND SORRY, I'M ALLOWED TO, BUT WOULDN'T IT BE? SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. I DON'T KNOW IF I DID OR NOT. THE CITY WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF WHO GETS THE TICKET OR NOT BEFORE IT MOVES TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

SO THERE'S A WAY. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT VICE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THE MAGISTRATE. BUT CORRECT. KNOWING WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

THEY WILL COME TO US FIRST AND SEND AN EMAIL THAT THE CITY DID THIS HORRIBLE THING AND GAVE THEM MY TICKET.

WHAT WOULD BE OUR RECOURSE AT THAT POINT? SO AT THAT POINT, THE MAGISTRATE WOULD BE THE FIRST FIRST STEP.

AND OR IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP OR RESPOND OR YOU KNOW, TAKE ANY TAKE CARE OF THE TICKET.

IT THEN AFTER SO MANY DAYS BECOME A UNIFORM. BUT I'M SAYING WHEN THEY COME TO ME CAN SPEAK FOR ME WHEN THEY COME TO ME AND SAY, I GOT THIS TICKET. WHAT'S MY WAY OF HELPING? I THINK CAPTAIN HAS INDICATED THAT THERE WILL BE AN INTERNAL REVIEW PROCESS.

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I GUESS YOU KNOW, IT'S WHETHER THE CITY INTERNAL REVIEW WILL BE RIGGED ON A TEN MILE PER HOUR.

LET'S SAY IF YOU DRIVE IN 51 MILE PER HOUR VERSUS 50.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DISCRETION? WHAT DIRECTION ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE TO THE INTERNAL REVIEW? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF THE SPEED LIMIT IS IS OBVIOUSLY 25 AND YOU'RE GOING 60, THERE'S NO. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCRETION TO BE EXERCISED BY SAID THEY'RE NOT IN CHARGE OF IT.

NO. THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF INITIAL REVIEW. YES.

YES, CAPTAIN. YES WE ARE. WE WOULD OUR ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WOULD DO THE REVIEW.

THEY WOULD WATCH THE VIDEO, LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS, AND THEY WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THE PERSON WAS DOING TEN MILES PER HOUR OVER OR OVER TEN MILES PER HOUR IN THAT ZONE. AND THEN THE, THE THE CITY CITATION WOULD BE ISSUED TO THE PERSON.

I THINK IT'S THE SAME RESPONSE IF SOMEBODY GOT A TICKET. NOW, WHATEVER YOUR RESPONSE, WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, I MEAN, THE HELP PERSPECTIVE IS THAT IF CHOOSING BETWEEN FOOD AND RIGHT.

BUT IF THEY MADE A MISTAKE WE CAN DEFINITELY REVIEW IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, CAMERAS MAKE MISTAKE LIKE THAT, RIGHT? BUT THERE MIGHT BE REASONING REASONS. COMMISSIONER THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE MAGISTRATE.

THE PERSON WOULD HAVE A TIME FRAME TO ASK FOR THE CASE TO BE HEARD IN FRONT OF THE MAGISTRATE.

THEY WOULD THEN GO IN FRONT OF THE MAGISTRATE AND TELL THEM, HEY, ON THIS DATE, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. THEY WOULD EXPLAIN THEIR CASE TO THEM, AND THE MAGISTRATE WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WOULD MAKE THE DETERMINATION WHETHER THE CITATION WOULD MAINTAIN OR WOULD BE DISMISSED.

SO ALL THE POWER WOULD BE IN THE HANDS OF THIS MAGISTRATE.

WOW. WELL, THE THE POLICE IS STILL INVOLVED. THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THE CASE ON THEIR SIDE.

AND WHETHER THEY ARE MORE RIGID, SOMETIMES YOU COULD SETTLE IT.

CORRECT. WE DON'T. WE DON'T GET INVOLVED. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE THERE TO DO IS REVIEW THE CITATION AND SEND IT TO THE. IT GIVES AN APPROVAL. AND THEN THE ACTUAL COMPANY ITSELF IS THE ONE WHO SENDS OUT THE CITATION TO THE THE VIOLATOR, AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE VIA OR THE VEHICLE OWNER VIOLATOR.

THEY WOULD THEN REQUEST TO GO TO A MAGISTRATE COURT.

THE MAGISTRATE IS THE ONE WHO WOULD MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION WHETHER THE FINE WOULD BE IN STAY IN PLACE OR NOT STAY IN PLACE, OR THE PERSON WOULD HAVE THE OPTION. WELL LET ME.

SO UNLIKE THE RED LIGHT CAMERA REVIEW PROCESS IN WHICH NO POLICE OFFICER WILL ATTEND THE MAGISTRATE HEARING IN TERMS OF IF THE MAGISTRATE NEED QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR IT'S JUST AUTOMATIC BASED ON EVIDENCE THAT'S PRESENTED, I BELIEVE THEY MAY ASK THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO ATTEND.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CITY AS I WORKED AND.

OKAY, JUST I THINK WE NEED LET ME KNOW MORE OF THE MAGISTRATE PROCESS OF THE CITY USING CITY MANAGER.

BUT THE COMMISSIONER. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE HUMAN ELEMENT, HUMAN PART OF THE CONVERSATION COMES IN THROUGH THE MAGISTRATE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS SOME UNDERLYING CIRCUMSTANCES WHY THAT VIOLATION TOOK PLACE AND THE MAGISTRATE YOU KNOW IS CONVINCED AND THEN YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT CAN BE RESOLVED RIGHT THERE.

SO I HEAR YOU. SO THAT MEANS I UNDERSTAND NOW WHY HE WAS SO GUNG HO ON WHO THE MAGISTRATE SHOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT IS A LOT OF POWER. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS ANNUALLY, 80,000 A DAY, POSSIBLY.

I DOUBT IT, BUT WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I THINK I THINK I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUING REVIEW PROCESS.

AND IF THERE'S PROBLEMS, RESIDENTS COME TO THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION AND WE LOOK AT IT.

WE STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO LOOK AT IT. OKAY. WE WHO THE LET'S SAY IF THERE'S THERE'S JUST LIKE THE RED LIGHT CAMERA.

RED LIGHT CAMERAS DID NOT COME BEFORE US. IT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

YEAH, BUT THE TERMINATION WAS EVENTUALLY THE COMMISSION.

NO. YOU SURE NEVER SAW ONE. NO, THE ENFORCEMENT WAS NOT.

OH, NO, NOT THE ENFORCEMENT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

THE PROGRAM BECAME BEFORE US. BUT IF SOMEBODY GOT A TICKET AND THEY WANTED TO ARGUE IT, THEY DID NOT COME.

BUT BUT SO IT'S. HAVE YOU EVER GOTTEN A RED LIGHT TICKET? I GOT MY KIDS, MY KIDS DRIVE MY CAR. I AIN'T GOT TOO MANY, TOO MANY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

LIKE THE CAMERA IS VERY CLEAR ON CERTAIN THINGS.

AND IF IT'S NOT YOUR LICENSE PLATE AND IT'S NOT YOUR CAR, THEN IT'S USUALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT PROCEEDED WITH.

YEAH. IF IT'S DEFINITELY YOUR CAR AND DEFINITELY YOUR LICENSE PLATE, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.

LET'S SEND YOU A PICTURE. THEY DO SEND YOU A PICTURE.

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THEY DO SEND YOU A PICTURE, SOME OF THEIR CAMERAS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLESOME TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE CAMERAS ALL THE WAY UP IN THE SKY, THEY CAN SEE ALL THE NITTY GRITTY. ANYWAY, SO WE CAN'T HELP, BASICALLY.

WELL, I THINK YOU CAN'T HELP THERE. YOU CAN'T HELP THERE.

DRIVING THE MONEY. CAN WE HAVE A KITTY THEN? FROM THIS $39 TO PAY THE TICKET, SINCE THAT'S THE ONLY RECOURSE HE CAME UP WITH.

WELL, THEY HAVE TO PAY FIRST. COMMISSIONER TO TO BUILD THE KITTY.

COMMISSIONER CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE. OKAY. ARE YOU GOOD PEOPLE? SO TRYING TO BRING THIS TO ACTUALLY GO SPEED ON.

I HAD QUESTIONS TOO ABOUT THE MAGISTRATE, BUT I THINK ON THE MAGISTRATE LEVEL, I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHATEVER THE STATUTES MAY BE REQUIRED THAT REQUIRE OF WHAT CALIBER YOU'RE IF YOU'RE DECIDING A DETERMINATION OF A VIOLATION OR NOT, IT MAY BE SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE TRAINED AS AN ARBITER WHO'S GOT THAT FINAL ABILITY TO DO THAT. BUT LOOK INTO THE LEGAL SENSE. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING A PROGRAM THAT GOES IN THAT CAN.

WELL, YOU KNOW, MY MOM, A RETIRED NEW YORK CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR, IS SAYING, YOU DID IT.

YOU'RE DONE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO BRING SOMEBODY WITH A RESUME.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU NEED TO HAVE WELL, WHAT THEY THE THING IS THERE'S COMPASSION, BUT ALSO THE PROBLEM WITH PART OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED.

BE CAREFUL OVER THERE, COMMISSIONER. VICE MAYOR. COMPASSION IS ONE THING, BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT A PROGRAM IN WHERE YOU HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED, ARE YOU THEN SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE A PART IN THE MATTER? THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE VERY SIMPLE OF THIS IS YOUR LICENSE PLATE.

THIS IS A TIME, THIS IS YOUR CAR, THIS IS A SPEED.

AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE THROWING OUT EVERYTHING BECAUSE YOU FEEL BAD.

LOOK, I GET IT. IT'S NOT EASY. WHICH IS WHY WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE PEOPLE YOU COME TO OR ELSE WHATEVER RED LIGHT CAMERA SITUATION YOU GOT, THERE'S PROBABLY NO MONEY COMING IN. YEAH. ANYWAY AS FAR AS THE REQUEST OF WHERE CAPITAL GOES, PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE SOME OF THIS TO GO BACK TO OUR SCHOOLS.

OUR SCHOOLS ARE CONTINUALLY ASKING US FOR MONEY.

SO THEN I THINK WE SHOULD BE UTILIZING THIS MONEY BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SCHOOL ZONES THROUGH GIVING THAT MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS TO HELP THEM OUT.

SO I LOVE OUR OFFICERS AND I LOVE OUR FIREFIGHTERS, BUT I DON'T THINK I WANT.

FOR ME, I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT ALL THAT, THAT DOLLARS BACK INTO THAT ESPECIALLY ALSO, THAT'S WHAT I WANT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT CHANGES IN PROPERTY TAX.

I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I'M SURE I BROKE SOME RULES.

IF WE'RE DOING THAT, THEN THEN GIVE IT TO THE CITY TO FIX THAT.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE CAN, BUT THESE ARE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR WHEN THE ORDINANCE COMES BEFORE $12.

YEAH, I KNOW, BUT THEY'RE STILL ASKING US FOR MONEY. YOU REMEMBER YOU WERE ONCE IN THAT SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO ARE YOU STILL ASKING FOR MONEY? SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THAT'S AN AVENUE TO ASSIST ON ON THAT, BUT ALSO GOING TO PAY THE SCHOOL GUARDS, THE CROSSING GUARDS, AND MAYBE IF WE CAN'T GET THE EXTENSION OF THE CAMERAS GOING TILL 6 P.M.

OR NOT 6:30 P.M. THEN MAYBE SOME OF THIS MONEY GOES TO PAY FOR CROSSING GUARDS FOR AFTERCARE PROGRAMS. SO AT LEAST THERE'S CROSSING GUARDS THERE TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE SAFE FOR WHEN OUR KIDS ARE LEAVING SCHOOL AFTER CARE.

AND WHATEVER OUR COMMUNICATION STRATEGY SHOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WHEN WE HAD RED LIGHT CAMERAS. A COMPLETE COMMUNICATION BLITZ WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT.

AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE PAYING ATTENTION ANYWAY BECAUSE WE'LL MAKE SURE OF IT. BUT WE'RE BACK TO THE AREA RIGHT NOW OF I HAVE ONE PERSON FOR ALL DAY.

I HAVE, I HAVE A NOTE FOR ME, I'M KNOWN FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE WHOLE THING NOW.

YEAH. OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER RIGHT, IS NOW KNOWN FOR THE WHOLE THING.

I SAID I WAS GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT, I SAID.

OKAY, SO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR NOTE FOR THE WHOLE THING NOW.

DON'T WANT IT. THAT'S FINE. NOT FORCING ANYBODY TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW.

DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER. YOU'VE GOT COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR BOLTON, WHO IS FOR SCHOOL TIMES.

SO I'M WHERE THE PROGRAM I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, AS HORRIBLE AS IT IS BECAUSE I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS.

I DON'T LIKE BIG BROTHER. BUT PEOPLE ARE GETTING CRAZIER AND CRAZIER AND THEY JUST DRIVE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO I ALWAYS SUPPORT IT IN, IN THE SCHOOL TIMES AND TO GET ATTENDED TO.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ABLE TO.

ARE WE ABLE TO EXTEND THE CAMERAS FOR THE REGULAR SPEED LIMIT MORE THAN JUST AN HOUR AFTER THE SCHOOL DAY PROGRAM AND HAVE IT GO INTO 630 AT NIGHT.

HERE'S A QUESTION THOUGH. I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THIS OUT. THAT'S RUSH HOUR.

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GOOD. JUST THROWING THAT OUT IN THE MORNING. RUSH HOUR.

WELL THE 730 IN THE MORNING USUALLY CATCHES THE MORNING RUSH HOUR. BUT WE DON'T CAPTURE. USUALLY THE NIGHT RUSH HOUR. SO.

SO YOU'VE GOT ONE PERSON SAYING IT'S CRUEL. ANYWAY, YOU CAN ASK THAT QUESTION.

WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO US WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

SO RIGHT NOW IT'S THE YOU'VE GOT CONSENSUS TO BRING THE PROGRAM FORWARD TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED.

AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE FROM THERE. IS THAT TRUE? SO SO WHAT IS THE DIRECTION? I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE PROPER DIRECTION. SO THEN WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS.

I DIDN'T HEAR COMMISSIONER. SHE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK AND SHE CANNOT BE FORCED TO SPEAK. OKAY.

SO SO THEN YOU TAKE CONSENSUS FROM WHO IS HERE.

SHE DOES NOT WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATION.

SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO. SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO. THIS IS NOT A VOTE.

THIS IS NOT A COMMISSION MEETING. THIS IS NOT AN OBLIGATORY FROM FROM FROM WHERE? FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I'M SAYING LET'S START WITH THE WHAT PLANTATION DID.

WE'RE GOING TO PIGGYBACK FROM PLANTATION. SO LET'S PIGGYBACK CORRECTLY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SO SO THE 30 MINUTES BEFORE, 30 MINUTES AFTER.

IF WE AT SOME POINT WANT TO. LET'S LET'S NOT DO THIS FOR DOLLAR SIGNS.

LET'S, LET'S DO THIS FOR THE RIGHT REASONS TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE.

AND FROM SPEEDERS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING THROUGH SCHOOL ZONES.

I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DOLLAR VALUE. I GET IT, IT COULD BE A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THE CITY.

AND IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLATING AND SPEEDING UP, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS THAT WE CHOOSE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BACK AND, AND, AND MODIFY THE PROGRAM, RIGHT? YES. SO I THINK WE CAN JUST START, YOU KNOW, AT THE 30 MINUTES BEFORE, 30 MINUTES AFTER AND SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.

LET'S BE A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE. THIS SHOULDN'T BE RED LIGHT CAMERAS ALL AGAIN.

IF WE DO IT ALL DAY OR MORE HOURS, IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE RED LIGHT CAMERAS AND RESIDENTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THAT.

LET'S KEEP IT AT, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF OF OUR STUDENTS AND OUR AND OUR TEACHERS AND EVERYBODY IN THE SCHOOL ZONE.

I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD START. OKAY.

AND THE THIRD, THE 30 DAY AND THE 30 DAY TERMINATION PERIOD SHOULD NOT JUST BE WHEN IT, WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE'RE WRITING TICKETS, IT SHOULD BE AT ALL ASPECTS OF THIS CONSTRUCTION, PERMITTING VIOLATIONS, WHATEVER IT IS. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE 30 DAYS IS RIGHT FROM THE DAY WE ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT.

YES. YEAH. SO SO SO EVEN WHEN THEY'RE PUTTING UP STUFF, IF, IF, IF RESIDENTS ARE COMING TO US WITH PITCHFORKS, WE CAN SAY WE'RE GETTING RID OF THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD. SO REMEMBER THIS IS PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND IT IS WITH AN INTENDED DECLINE IN REVENUE.

LIKE THERE WILL BE AN UPSHOT IN THE BEGINNING, BUT THE INTENT IS TO HAVE NO REVENUE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S DRIVING PROPERLY.

SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME THOUGH, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SHUT ANYBODY HERE, BUT I'M NOT PUTTING PRESSURE HERE.

THE SITUATION IS THIS YOU'VE GOT COMMISSIONER.

DANIEL WHO WANTS IT ALL DAY AND YOU GOT MYSELF WHO WANTS IT FOR OR SO I REALLY WANT IT FOR AFTER HOURS AFTER CARE TIME, WHICH IS FROM NORMAL SCHOOL. FROM LIKE 2 TO 630.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. NOT DURING THE SCHOOL DAY.

DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE SCHOOL. BUT NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT EITHER ALL DAY OR PREFERABLY THE MORNING ZONE AND THE AFTERNOON ZONE GOING LATER.

I THINK PLANTATION IS DOING COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR BOLTON IS WANTING VICE MAYOR BOLTON WANTS IT FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE TIMES ONLY.

I WANTED FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE TIMES I AM AMENABLE TO THE AFTER HOURS PROGRAM.

BUT IF IT'S THE THREE OF US AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO. WELL, I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHY I KEPT LOOKING OVER TO YOU AND ASKING YOU.

SO NOW YOU WISH TO SPEAK. THEN GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.

THANKS. I GUESS SINCE MY COLLEAGUES NEED MY HELP HERE.

OKAY. I YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

EITHER WAY, I WAS GOING TO SUPPORT WHATEVER YOU GUYS KIND OF LANDED ON. I THOUGHT THE THREE OF YOU KIND OF HAD IT. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO WHATEVER THE COLLEAGUES ARE AMENABLE TO BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE SCHOOLS IN MY DISTRICT.

SO I PERSONALLY AM NOT A FAN OF RED LIGHT TICKETS.

I GOT MY FAIR SHARE OF THEM OVER THE YEARS, AND I WILL TELL YOU, I HATE THEM FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE, WELL, FLUSHED OVER.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY FIRST KIND OF CAME OUT YEARS AGO. I JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY WERE EFFECTIVE.

I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S ARGUMENT. I THINK THERE'S NO VALIDITY TO WHY WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING THIS AS AN ORGANIZATION.

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NOW, FROM ALL ANGLES, I THINK IT'S A NOTEWORTHY CONVERSATION TO BE HAVING AND A PROGRAM THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERING FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I MEAN, I THINK YOU GUYS DID A HEALTHY PRESENTATION. I THINK THE DATA AND STATS SUPPORT THE CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT. SO I THINK IT IS NOTEWORTHY.

I'M NOT CLEAR ON I TEND TO AGREE ON THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO AN EXTENT.

I THINK THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS CAN BE QUITE CONTROVERSIAL.

AND WITHOUT HAVING ENGAGED OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY, I'M AFRAID TO TO KIND OF MAYBE WE PHASE IT OUT, MAYBE IT'S A PHASED APPROACH, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THAT WE ULTIMATELY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE IMPLEMENT IS DONE WITH FAIRNESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, BUT I DON'T I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE.

STATISTICALLY ON IF WE DID JUST A TIME OR IF WE DID FULL OR JUST AFTER SCHOOL.

I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SO I BELIEVE ALL THE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON, AGAIN, THE HEIGHTENED SAFETY RISK. SO WE'LL GO BACK, WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THE LOCATIONS, AND WE'LL WORK WITH BSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER LOCATIONS THAT WE SELECT, IF THERE'S A HEIGHTENED SAFETY RISK, THEN IT WARRANTS YOU KNOW, BY STATE LAW THAT IT'S AN ALL DAY ENFORCEMENT, THEN WE WILL WORK ON STUFF LIKE THAT.

THE GOOD THING ABOUT IS THAT AS A MUNICIPALITY, WE DO HAVE THE OPTION TO CHANGE THE TIME AND CHANGE THE LOCATION AT ANY TIME BASED ON THE DATA. THE VENDOR WILL BE PROVIDING THIS PERFORMANCE MATRIX FOR US ANNUALLY, AND WE CAN REVIEW THAT DATA AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.

SO IS WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS SCHOOL HOURS 8 TO 2 IS RECOMMENDATION IS DOING RIGHT AS VICE MAYOR SAYS IT WOULD BE MORE OF A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH WHERE WE'LL BE MONITORING DURING THE FLASHING SCHOOL ZONE TIME.

SO THAT'S JUST FLASHING HALF AN HOUR BEFORE, HALF AN HOUR BEFORE AND AFTER AND HALF AN HOUR AFTER IN THE MORNING.

AND THEN, BUT NOT DURING SCHOOL HOURS, NOT DURING SCHOOL HOURS, NOT JUST FLASHING, JUST FLASHING.

OKAY. THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW. COMMISSIONER DANIEL, YOU WANTED WHAT, ALL DAY FROM EIGHT.

STOP WITH THE ALL DAY BECAUSE I DON'T MIND ALL THAT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE TO ME, THEY'RE OUT THERE ALL DAY.

I JUST IN MY HEAD, THEY'RE ON COMMERCIAL ALL DAY.

WHATEVER. THAT MAKES ME STAY SAFE AND AWAY FROM TICKETS.

BUT I WAS SAYING FOR AFTERCARE HOURS. THE REASON WHY IS THAT'S WHEN THERE ISN'T A LOT OF SECURITY FOR THE STUDENTS.

THAT'S WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING. THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE WALKING ALONE.

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? NO. SHE ASKED ME A QUESTION.

YEAH, BUT. NO, SIR. I'M. CAN I GIVE A PRELUDE TO MY ANSWER? THAT'S SO. I'M SAYING THAT AFTER SCHOOL HOURS, BECAUSE THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING, SOMETIMES IT'S NIGHT TIME AND THE KIDS ARE WALKING ALONE.

RIGHT? HOURS OF THOSE. THIS IS USUALLY AFTER SIX BECAUSE EVERY PROGRAM GETS UP BY SIX.

SO IF IT GETS OUT AT SIX, THEN THE KIDS ARE WALKING FOR LIKE A GOOD 15 MINUTES, RIGHT? THAT'S WHEN THE ACCIDENT ACTUALLY OCCURRED WITH THE KID. YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS YEAH.

ACCIDENTS AND THAT HAPPENED AROUND SIX. THAT'S WHEN IT HAPPENS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SUPERVISION AND PEOPLE ARE HOME GOING HOME. THEY'RE TIRED. THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

SO COULD WE LOOK AT FLASHING MORNING FLASHING AFTER SCHOOL AND AFTER CARE HOURS LIKE THREE SEGMENTS INSTEAD OF A FULL DAY, THREE SEGMENTS. SO THEN WE ADD MAYBE A 5 TO 7 OR 5 TO 630, BECAUSE I KNOW IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE TO ME, MILLENNIUM COMMERCIAL AND DISCOVERY IS ALL DAY.

NO, THEY GO, I THINK AFTER FOUR TWO IT'S STILL FLASHING.

94 IS AN ISSUE. HE KNOWS 90 PEOPLE ON COMMERCIAL.

PEOPLE ON COMMERCIAL ALREADY KNOW THAT'S A BUNCH OF SCHOOL ZONES. WHEN THEY COME IN ON 94, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE AREA. A LOT OF PEOPLE COME HOME AT THAT TIME AND LIKE HE MENTIONED, THERE'S A BUNCH OF SPEED HUMPS THERE THAT DETOURS ARE SPEEDING. SO THAT SPECIFIC AREA I DON'T.

AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NOT A HUGE ISSUE OF SPEEDING BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME HUGE, HUGE SPEED BUMPS THAT SLOWS.

THAT'S WHERE THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED AS WELL. SO MY THING IS, IF THEY'RE COMING OUT, SAY FROM TRACK PRACTICE OR WHATEVER THEY'RE COMING OUT FROM, AND KIDS ARE KIDS. THEY'RE NOT LIKE US. THEY HAVE NO FEAR.

WHAT HAPPENS THEN? I DON'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A 94 ESPECIALLY.

IT'S GOING TO PUT A BURDEN ON A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I AGREE WITH VICE CHAIR BOLTON.

DURING THE DAYTIME, PEOPLE ARE BUSY DOING THEIR THING.

SCHOOL IS PEOPLE. KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL. THAT'S FINE.

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PEOPLE ARE DRIVING BY, THEY'RE DOING WHATEVER. SO LIKE I SAID, I AVOID SUNRISE WHEN I'M DRIVING AT DAYTIME BECAUSE I GO ON 57.

I CUT ACROSS SUN BECAUSE I KNOW I'M IN TAMARAC THEN I MAKE THE U AND I KNOW I'M IN LAUDERHILL. SO I NEVER DRIVE THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S ALL DAY AND YOU DON'T SEE KIDS, YOU DON'T SEE YOU, YOU DON'T SEE, YOU DON'T SEE THE HOURS. SAY THIS BETWEEN THIS TIME YOU DON'T SPEED, BUT PSYCHOLOGICALLY YOU'RE DRIVING BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE IT. SO I THINK AS A AS A DRIVER, I DON'T LIKE THE ALL DAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING AND DOING AND THEIR BEHAVIOR IS BASED ON THOSE TIMES.

AND IT'S A NATURAL BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS. AND BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING TICKETS EVERY DAY.

EVERY DAY THEY GOT SOMEBODY PULLED OVER. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST 02:00.

OKAY. AND WE'RE STILL ON THIS ITEM WITH TWO OTHER MAJOR ITEMS TO GO.

SO I JUST WANT TO ADD YES, WHAT I WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT WE CAN BRING THE ORDINANCE AND THE CONTRACT.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS A BUSINESS RULE THAT COMES AFTER THE CONTRACT AND AFTER THE ORDINANCE, AND THE BUSINESS RULE WILL COME BACK WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

AND THE COMMISSION AT THAT POINT CAN CONSENSUS FOR THAT.

SO DO THAT, BUT ALSO GO AHEAD, I'LL GO WITH WHAT HE, THEY WANT TO, WE CAN STILL CONTINUE THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION AT ANOTHER TIME, BUT THAT CONTRACT DOES CLEARLY WILL CLEARLY SAY THAT THIS DOES NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT WHATEVER OUR BUSINESS ROLE IS, AND TANYA, YOU AND THE MANAGER CAN TALK TO EACH MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? THE CONTRACT WON'T HAVE THE BUSINESS RULE AT ALL.

THE BUSINESS RULE IS SO LOCAL ORDINANCE, LOCAL CONTROL.

THE CONTRACT IS JUST SETTING THE VENDOR AS AS IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM.

AND. BUT IN THE BEGINNING, YOU TALK ABOUT WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, IT WAS 1231.

IT DID, WE DID SAY THAT WHETHER THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED WHEN THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED, IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT IT DOES NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL AFTER THE ORDINANCE IS ASSIGNED.

ASSIGNED. SO THERE'S NO ISSUE THERE. CAPTAIN WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.

JUST ONE THING I WANT TO SAY THAT THESE CAMERAS ARE NOT REPLACING DEPUTIES.

OUR DEPUTIES WILL CONTINUE TO BE OUT THERE IN THE SAME FORCE THAT THEY ARE. WE'RE NOT OUT THERE TO TRY TO DETER PEOPLE OR IN THE SENSE OF NOT TO NOT GO THERE WITH THE CAMERAS.

WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE IN THE SAME WAY WE ARE NOW, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE KIDS AND THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY AROUND, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE MAKING IMPROPER TURNS, THEY'RE RUNNING STOP SIGNS OR DO ANY OF THAT.

WE'RE STILL OUT THERE TO ENFORCE, AND WE'RE STILL OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THE CHILDREN ARE SAFE. SO, BUT NOT TO ENFORCE SPEEDING BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T DOUBLE TICKET. CORRECT? WE CAN AT THAT POINT, WE CANNOT THAT WE CANNOT DO THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY.

THAT IS TRUE. OKAY. BUT BUT THERE'S ENOUGH ENOUGH OTHER VIOLATIONS THAT THAT THE DEPUTIES WILL SEE OUT THERE THAT THE THE CAMERAS DO NOT PICK UP.

SOME OF THE ONES THAT I GAVE FOR EXAMPLES SO THAT THEY'RE STILL BE OUT THERE.

I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE THE CAMERAS ARE THERE, IT'S GOING TO REPLACE DEPUTIES. THAT'S NOT TRUE. AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I LOVE BSL OFFICERS. OKAY, WE ARE NOW DONE. ARE WE DONE WITH THIS ITEM? YOU HAVE ONE LAST THING TO SAY. OKAY. GO FOR IT.

BECAUSE OF THE CAPTAIN, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT LOOK, IF, IF WE HAD A THOUSAND YOU KNOW, DEPUTIES AND YOU KNOW, WE CATCH THEM SPEEDING OR, OR VIOLATING THESE SPEED LIMITS, THEY WOULD RECEIVE TICKETS ALL DAY LONG.

AND SO THIS IDEA OF ENFORCING IN THE MORNING HOURS OR DURING SCHOOL HOURS OR OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS IS ESSENTIALLY WHO DO WE WANT TO LET GO? YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING AT THIS POINT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS ITEM IS OVER. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL YOUR WORK.

AN HOUR AND A HALF IS PRETTY GOOD ON THIS ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ART AND SEE IF WE CAN KEEP IT UNDER AN HOUR AND A HALF.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW US IN ART. SO READY TO GO PUBLIC ART UPDATE PRESENTED BY CAN WE DO ART LAST? IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, BECAUSE THE WATER PERSON IS NOT HERE.

PRCHAL IS THERE. OH, I THOUGHT WASN'T THE GENTLEMAN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE WITH HIM? OKAY. YEAH. BUT NO, WE'VE GOT PRESENT AND SO THEY CAN.

NO. HE'S. GEORGIA'S BEEN WAITING HERE THE WHOLE TIME.

IT'LL MAYBE MAKE US QUICKER. IT'LL MAKE YOU MOVE QUICKER AND A LITTLE LESS.

CONVERSATION AND OPINION. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY SHORT.

YOUR CAMERA. YOU'VE JUST GONE THROUGH. WE'RE DONE.

LET'S GO. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS BEING PRESENTED BY OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND GEORGE GADSON OF GADSDEN AND RABBITS.

[1.c. Public Art Update Presented by Maher Mansour, Community Development Assistant Director & George Gadson, Gadson & Ravitz]

LET'S TALK ART. GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD AFTERNOON.

ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GEORGE WILL BE PRESENTING.

THANK YOU. OKAY, HERE WE ARE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS.

GEORGE GADSDEN, GADSDEN, RABBITS. I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT TO YOU ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO YOU A FEW WEEKS AGO

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AND BRINGING BACK TO YOU THE RESULTS OF YOUR COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK.

FIRST THE ITEM BEING THE LOVE MURAL. THE TAMARAC COMMUNITY CENTER IS WHERE THIS PARTICULAR MURAL WILL GO.

WE HAD PRESENTED TO YOU A PRELIMINARY PLACEHOLDER BY THE ARTIST, AND YOUR FEEDBACK WAS PROVIDED TO THE ARTIST TO TO ADHERE TO THE TAMARAC LOGO COLORS, IF YOU WILL.

THANKFULLY, THE NEWSLETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT BY THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER WAS VERY HELPFUL.

I FORWARDED THAT TO THE ARTIST TO ENSURE THAT INDEED THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED.

SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE TODAY ARE THREE DESIGNS THAT THE ARTIST IS SUGGESTING.

INITIALLY TAMARAC WAS IN THE CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SUGGESTED TO CHANGE THE COLOR TO BLUE AND HE AFTER REVISITING THE ENTIRE CONCEPT AND THE LAYOUT IS PRESENTING TO YOU THE, THE, THE, THESE FINAL THREE FOR CONSIDERATION.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE SHOWS TAMARAC IN WHITE WITH THE, THE RIBBON, IF YOU WILL, THE LOGO PART OF THE BRANDING AT THE BOTTOM.

THE SECOND ONE IS TAMARAC IN ALL WHITE, AS WELL AS THE RIBBON ITSELF.

AND THE THIRD ONE. TAMARAC WITH BLUE AND THE RIBBON.

SO WE'D LIKE TO GET YOUR CONSENSUS ON WHICH PARTICULAR ONE THAT WE CAN HAVE THE ARTISTS MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTING.

AND TO CONFIRM, WE TOOK AWAY THE LIGHTING PART OF.

YES, MA'AM. AND WE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT A MURAL ON THE SIDE AND A MURAL ON THE FRONT.

WE'RE GOOD NOW, RIGHT? EVERYTHING THAT WAS OF CONCERN IS GONE.

AWESOME. OKAY, SO BASICALLY WE'VE GOT WHITE WITH COLORFUL RIBBON.

WE'VE GOT WHITE WITH WHITE RIBBON, AND THEN WE'VE GOT BLUE WITH COLORFUL RIBBON.

WHAT SAY YOU? COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. WHITE. ALL WHITE.

COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. DANIEL.

OH, JIMINY. CRICKETS. ALL RIGHT. VICE MAYOR. BOLTON.

WELL, YOU GOT TWO FOR ALL WHITE CAN ANY. CAN I HAVE A THIRD? ALL WHITE. GO. GO BACK. THIS IS BLUE. NO, THIS IS WHITE WITH COLORFUL.

THIS IS WHITE. ALL WHITE. THIS IS ALL WHITE. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? I SEE A BABY BLUE AT THE BOTTOM. NO, NO. HERE.

LOOK HERE. I SEE ALL, I SEE ALL WHITE. ALL ALL WHITE, ALL WHITE, ALL WHITE.

AND THEN. OH, OKAY. COLORFUL. ALL WHITE. MAKES IT CRISP.

ALL WHITE. NEXT. ALRIGHT. YAY! MARK, THE RECORD THAT IS THE QUICKEST WILL EVER BE.

PROBABLY NEXT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLTON, THE MAYOR AND MYSELF.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. AND NO LIGHTNING BOLTS HAVE COME DOWN FROM THE SKY.

WE'RE ALL SURVIVING. YES, THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK, RIGHT? TAMARAC INSPIRATION WAY. YOU. WE HAD PRESENTED TO YOU RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ART BOARD, AND YOU HAD SELECTED THE ITEMS THAT YOU WISH TO HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE INSPIRATION WAY.

UNFORTUNATELY, AND I DID SORT OF MENTION IT IN THE IN THE LAST WORKSHOP THAT WHEN WE GET BACK TO THE ARTIST, SOME OF THE ARTWORK MAY HAVE BEEN SOLD, SOLD OR THEY'RE NO LONGER AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN ANOTHER LOCATION.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE EXPERIENCE. SO WHAT YOU'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH TODAY, AND BECAUSE OF THE NET IN WHICH WE HAVE WITH ARTISTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WE CAST A NET AND WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THESE PARTICULAR ARTISTS FOR INSPIRATION.

EXCUSE ME, THREE OF THE ONES YOU CHOSE ARE STILL AVAILABLE.

ONLY THREE. ARE THEY IN HERE? YES, YES THEY ARE.

THEY ARE, YES THEY ARE. YES, YES. SO WE. OH, GOD BLESS US ALL.

OKAY. THAT LOOKS LIKE A TOMAHAWK. WHAT IS IT? OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT THE ORB OF CAR PARTS. I LIKE THAT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. OKAY. BUT YOU GUYS ARE DOING MERCEDES BENZ.

WAS THAT WISE? ORB PROMOTING MERCEDES BENZ. IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROMOTING A MUFFLER.

IT'S PROMOTING A PAN, A SAUCE PAN THAT YOU DO AT A.

JUST AS AN FYI, THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST WORKS WITH A VARIETY OF MATERIALS.

ONE OF THE SCULPTURES WE HAVE THAT WE OWN HERE IN THE CITY, IBIS, THEY'RE ON, ON ON PINE ISLAND IS ACTUALLY ONE OF DON'S SCULPTURES THAT WE PURCHASED. THIS IS THREE FEET TALL.

THAT'S IT. THE BASE IS THREE FEET. AND THEN HOW BIG IS THE.

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IT'S THE MOUNTED ON 36 INCH, 50IN IN DIAMETER.

SO THE ACTUAL SCULPTURE ITSELF IS 50IN IN DIAMETER.

YES. AND THE AND THE PEDESTAL ON WHICH IS INSTALLED IS 36IN.

I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO ORGANIZE THIS SO WE CAN HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAN THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS. SO HOW MANY PIECES ARE IN HERE? THERE ARE EIGHT IF I RECALL EIGHT, EIGHT SCULPTURES. EIGHT SCULPTURES ARE IN HERE.

SO WE HAVE THE PREFERENCE. FORGIVE ME. I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH.

THERE'S NOT A LOT TO A SIZE FOR THIS. YES.

MAY I GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE, PLEASE? PLEASE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. DAVID HAYES HAS HAS HAD HIS WORK EXHIBITED BEFORE.

POSTHUMOUSLY, I SHOULD SAY. HIS SON REPRESENTS HIM WITH THE WORK THAT HE'S PRESENTS TO US.

THIS IS ONE OF THE SCULPTURES THAT WAS A CONSENSUS BY THE COMMISSION.

THIS IS ANOTHER THAT WAS RECOMMENDED AND AND SELECTED BY THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THIS PARTICULAR ONE HERE. YES. SORRY. THE HEARTS MEAN THAT THESE WERE ONES WE WERE.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT. YES. YES, MA'AM. NICE TOUCH.

THIS AS ANOTHER SCULPTURE. FORTUNATELY, DON WAS JUST RECENTLY EXHIBITING AT THE CITY OF SUNRISE, AND HIS WORK WAS BEING INSTALLED. AND WHEN WE WERE IN THE THROES OF TRYING TO GET REPLACEMENT SCULPTURES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE THE PATHS, BE IMPACTFUL, ETC..

THIS SCULPTURE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS MAGNIFICENTLY IMPACTFUL.

I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN IT, I'VE SEEN IT. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PIECE.

SO DON WAS AMENABLE TO HAVING IT HERE IN OUR INSPIRATION WAY IF THE COMMISSION SO CHOOSE TO HAVE IT HERE.

ALRIGHTY THEN. NEXT, RAY KATZ UP AGAIN. HIS SCULPTURE WAS ACTUALLY LEAVING SUNRISE AND HE WAS SAYING, YES, YOU YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO EXHIBIT IT HERE IN TAMARAC.

AS WELL AS THIS PIECE HERE. AND THESE ARE THE PIECES.

ALL RIGHT. SO CAN I AT LEAST GET CONSENSUS ON KEEPING THE THREE THAT WE ALREADY SAID YES TO LAST TIME? YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S A QUICK THREE. NOW YOU'VE GOT FIVE LEFT TO GO.

WHAT DO WE SAY ABOUT THE ORB CONSENSUS? I THINK I HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE MERCEDES BENZ.

YES. I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T LIKE OKAY, SO NO BENZ I WELL I NEED A THIRD IF THEY I LIKE IT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. IT'S BIG, RIGHT? IT'S BIG.

IT'S NOT BIG. IF IT'S NOT BIG. NO, IT'S THREE WITH ANOTHER THREE FEET ON TOP OF IT.

SIX FEET. SIX FEET. IT'S BIGGER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF.

IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. IT'S. IT'S JUST THERE.

WELL, THAT'S. THEY'RE ALL JUST THERE, TO BE HONEST.

IT IS. IT'S. YOU KNOW, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I LOVE.

I LOVE THAT FACE. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FACE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO FIND SOMETHING ELSE.

AND IF WE DON'T, WE ONLY HAVE FIVE AND WE'RE ONLY ABOUT TO HAVE EIGHT TOTAL THAT WE'RE NOT HITTING ALL OF THEM.

SO YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE CAN JUST GO LOOK. SO OKAY.

ORB IS NOT NECESSARILY THERE. VERTICAL. WE'VE GOT THE MOTIF NINE.

NO, NO, I DON'T LIKE THE HATCHET. LOOKS LIKE ALABAMA.

ALABAMA. WHAT'S ALABAMA? I DON'T KNOW ALABAMA.

OH, PLEASE. ANYWAY WE'VE GOT CARIDAD. WHAT'S THAT? PAGE NINE. LET'S GO TO PAGE NINE. THAT ONE. THE COLORFUL.

IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING WE DO. I'M SO SICK OF SEEING THAT STUFF.

OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT ANOTHER NUMBER NINE. PAGE NINE.

WE'RE KEEPING THE WAY. WE SAID NO TO THREE ALREADY. SO THE OTHER FIVE IS AUTOMATICALLY A YES THEN BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE'RE CHOOSING FIVE.

WELL NOT NECESSARILY NO. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CHOOSING 15.

NO, THAT'S ALREADY DONE. WE'RE GOOD. IT'S GOT A HEART.

WE ALREADY DID. WE'RE WE. WE'RE DONE. SO WE'RE GOING OVER TO THE TO THE FACE.

PERSONALLY, I SO LOVE THAT. OKAY, WELL, I GOT ONE.

I LOVE THAT. I LOVE THAT ONE. I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT.

I THINK I WATCHED THAT ONE. I LOVE IT. OH MY GOD.

YEAH I LOVE IT. WELL YOU'VE GOT 4 TO 1 CITY MANAGER YOU LIKE THAT ONE? YES. IT'S IT'S SO LOOKS LIKE OUR FUTURE. LIKE WHAT WE WANT.

TAMARAC TO BE. WE WANT IT TO BE A ROBOT. WELL, WELCOME TO THE.

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NO, NO, I. IT'S NOT A ROBOT. IT LOOKED LIKE A WOMAN TO ME.

I LOVE IT, WHICH IS A ROBOT WOMAN. ANYWAY, YOU'VE GOT.

WE GOT ONE MORE, SO DON'T TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST.

SO WE'VE GOT FOUR TOTAL OF FOUR RIGHT NOW. RAY KATZ AND OUR SWIRLS.

NO, NO, I DON'T LIKE CATS. OH, GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

IT'S ALL. SO I GUESS HE DOESN'T LIKE IT. BUT ANYBODY ELSE? I LIKE, I LIKE SKYWALKER. YEAH. I RATHER SKYWALKER TOO.

OKAY, THE OTHER ONE. SO WE'VE GOT SKYWALKER AND THEN PUT BACK BEN'S.

WHO'S BEN? BEN'S. BEN'S IS BEN'S. SO WE'VE GOT A TOTAL OF FIVE RIGHT NOW.

UNLESS THE ORB COMES BACK. DOES IT HAVE TO COME BACK? I'M CONFUSED. THAT'S BEN'S. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY.

PUT IN THERE. OKAY. NEXT. WE DON'T HAVE FIVE ALREADY.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE EIGHT. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ACTUALLY HAVE 13, 14, 11.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 1111. BUT WE CHOSE SOME ALREADY.

YEAH. THOSE ARE THE. BUT YEAH, THERE WERE NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

YEAH, WE'RE SHORT TODAY. YOU KNOW, BASED UPON THIS, WE HAVE FIVE.

SO REALLY WE'RE EFFICIENT BY SIX. BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE US SIX BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO GIVE US THEIR ARTWORK BECAUSE.

BECAUSE WHAT WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE CRITICAL. OH, WELL, IF YOU DO ART, YOU SHOULD BE EXPECTING THAT.

EVERYBODY GOT A CHOICE. THEY WERE SOLD BEFORE WE COULD MAKE DECISIONS ON IT.

YES. SO WE GOT. THAT'S THE NICE WAY OF SAYING IT.

THEY'RE WATCHING OUR MEETINGS AND GOING, ARE YOU KIDDING? I'M NOT DISPLAYING IN THE CITY. THAT'S NOT TRUE. IS THAT TRUE? THE THE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS HE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU THE POLITICAL CORRECT ANSWER.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANSWERING. YEAH. THE THE THE ARTIST, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING.

AND, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME, IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS APPROACHED THEM WITH A DEFINITE, THEY'RE GOING TO GO WHERE THE DEFINITE IS. WHAT DID THEY SAY? DID THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PRESENT IN OUR CITY BECAUSE WE ARE.

NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE SAY THAT. OKAY, EVERYBODY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT. SO WE'VE GOT THE THREE.

WE WERE GOING WITH LAST TIME. THE ORB JIA AND SKYWALKER.

SO WE'VE GOT. FOR THOSE FOLLOWING ON PAGE NUMBERS IT IS NO JUST TEN, 11, 12, 13, 15 AND SEVEN. OKAY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

YES. ON THE ORB. YES. THE MERCEDES ONE. THE THEN THE THE FACES.

THE FACE RATHER. YES. YES. YES. PAGE 13. AND SKYWALKER.

PAGE 15. YES. AND THEN THE THREE WE ORIGINALLY HAD.

I'M SORRY. AND THEN THE THREE WE ORIGINALLY HAD.

YES. SO THAT'S SIX. SO WE HAVE SIX. I THINK THAT'S AS GOOD AS WE'RE GOING TO GET TODAY ON THIS.

WELL, WHAT I CAN COMMIT TO DOING IS WE CAN BEGIN WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOUR APPROVAL.

WE CAN BEGIN THE INSTALLATION OF THESE THAT YOU'VE SELECTED.

AND THEN WE CAN THEN LOOK FOR OTHER ARTISTS, IF YOU WILL, TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE FILL THE PADS.

AND OF COURSE, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MIGHT BE AS WELL.

SOUNDS GREAT. DOES THAT PLEASE THE COMMISSION? SOUNDS GREAT.

WELL. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE WRAP IT UP, THOUGH, QUICKLY, I WANTED TO ASK.

I DID MENTION LAST TIME THAT I WANTED TO GET A SCULPTURE IN DISTRICT THREE.

I KNOW WE HAVE. I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE RULES IF THERE ARE RULES, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST ONE SCULPTURE IN DISTRICT THREE.

HOW DO WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN? I THINK IT USUALLY.

IT USUALLY HAS COME AFTER WE DO. IF YOU FIND A PIECE THAT YOU LIKE ON THIS, IT GETS PURCHASED AND MOVED OVER.

WELL, WHY DOES THAT HAVE TO BE? WHY DO WE NEED TO PURCHASE SOMETHING? WHY CAN'T WE JUST PLACE IT RIGHT? SO WE DISCUSSED THAT A LITTLE BIT LAST WEEK. JORGE, IS THERE IS THERE A RULE AGAINST DISPLAYING THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY OTHER THAN JUST THE INSPIRATION WAY? I NOTICED THAT CORAL SPRINGS IS NOW SPREADING THEM ALL OVER THE CITY.

SO THAT IS DISPLAYING THEM IN OTHER LOCATIONS IS DEFINITELY AN OPTION.

WE'LL GLADLY WORK WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS TO DO THE, THE THE FOOTERS, RIGHT? THAT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATELY AND USE THE APPROPRIATE SIZES FOR THE SCULPTURES.

DO YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND A, RECOMMEND A LOCATION OR LOCATIONS? WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THEM? MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP.

OKAY, SO I, I WOULD, I'M ASSUMING IT HAS TO BE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

IT'S FINE. YES. I IMAGINE TAKING HAVEN IN THERE.

IT'D BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD KIND OF HAVE SOME AREAS IN MIND SOMEWHERE.

I MEAN, WE CAN. YEAH, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE.

OKAY. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. YEP, YEP. WE'RE NOW GOING.

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I'M JUST AMAZED IF WE'RE ACTUALLY PROGRESSING THROUGH ART.

WE HAVE THE NEXT PART OF THE PARK. ARTISTIC BENCHES.

YOU WERE PRESENTED WITH RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, AND YOUR REQUEST WAS TO SEE IF WE COULD USE TWO ARTISTS WITH DIFFERENT STYLES, IF YOU WILL. SO TSUNAMI SHEP WAS ONE OF THE ARTISTS.

HE DID A REDESIGN. SO HERE IS ONE OF THE DESIGNS THAT HE IS GLADLY WILL GLADLY DO FOR THE CITY. THE OTHER DESIGN, IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S TWO THIS SAME SHAPE, IF YOU WILL. SAME DESIGN, BUT THE IMAGES ARE DIFFERENT.

SO THESE ARE THE TWO THAT TSUNAMI WILL BE DOING.

I'M NOT A FAN OF SURF BOARDS ON OUR ARTWORK FOR.

THE FIRST ONE IS SURFBOARDS. WE DON'T HAVE. SURFBOARDS? YES, A SURFBOARD. WHERE IS THE SURFBOARD? ON THE FIRST ONE? THERE'S A SURFBOARD. YOU'RE TALKING TO THE THIRD SQUARE TO THE TO THE LEFT THERE ABOVE THE GIRLS.

YEAH, BY THE BIKE BY THE LIKE. OKAY. REMOVE SURFBOARD.

WELL, I WOULD GO WITH THE SECOND DESIGN THEN.

IF WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT THE SPORTS. AND. IT'S SO BRIGHT TOO MUCH.

YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.

SOMEBODY AGREE. YOU GOT THREE OF US THAT AGREE.

OKAY. SO WE'RE REALLY NOT A FAN RIGHT NOW OF WE'RE NOT REALLY A FAN OF THE ARCH.

SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THE SKATEBOARD. SO THE ARCH ITSELF OR THE DRAWING ON THE ARCH, THE DRAWING.

ON THE ARCH THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE COLORS, NOT THE ARCH ITSELF.

THE, THE LIKE WE GOT PAST THAT ONE. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

I GOT WHATEVER EVERYONE SAYS YOU LIKE. ARCH ONE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MUCH AND DOESN'T SEEM TO BE.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DESIRE WAS TO HAVE THE DESIGNS BE ARCHES AND THEN FROM THERE THE ART. THE ARTISTS WOULD THEN PLACE WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT COLORS, RIGHT. GIVE ME A LITTLE SHADE UNTIL THE IGUANAS AND THE DUCKS AND EVERYBODY ELSE GET TO IT FIRST, AND WE DON'T CLEAN IT IN TIME. IT'S STILL GOING TO CRAWL ALL IN IT.

BUT ANYHOW PERSONALLY, I JUST FOR ARCH ONE, I DON'T FEEL THAT ARCH ONE IS IN LINE WITH OUR SPORTS AT OUR SPORTS COMPLEX. WE HAVE NO SWIMMING HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE SURFBOARDS. BUT HARRY DID SAY WE COULDN'T HAVE A TAMARAC BEACH.

REMEMBER? HE DID SAY WE COULD OR WE COULD. WE COULD, WE COULD.

SO WITH WITH AND I, I THINK IT'S WAY TOO, TOO, TOO BUSY.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE WITH ARCH TWO, AT LEAST YOU'VE GOT THE DESIGNS OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR PARK.

BUT THERE IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COLOR SCHEME.

HEY, WE COULD HAVE IN DISTRICT FOUR, WE COULD HAVE THIS KEY THING.

YOU KNOW, THE SIMULATION OF YOU COULD CHARGE THEM TO GET ON THE THING.

IT'S LIKE $40 IN FORT LAUDERDALE. OKAY. WELL, STRATEGIC PLANNING, NUMBER ONE END OF APRIL.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE THE SKI IF THAT'S THE CASE.

NO, THAT'S THAT'S OUR SPORTS. I LIKE THE SURFBOARD THING.

I THINK I THINK THAT THE THIS THIS SKATEBOARD THING, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE THAT GREG MUELLER, IT'S SO LOW ON THE GROUND. YEAH. WELL, WE WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT SO I, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THESE ARE WE CHOOSING? TWO, TWO, TWO ASHES AND FIVE THE OTHER FIVE. SO TOTAL SEVEN.

YEAH. SO LET'S HOW ABOUT THIS? EVERYBODY JUST FLIP YOUR PAGES.

LET'S JUST LOOK AT THEM AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AROUND. I ALREADY DID THAT. I DID THAT, BUT BUT IT'S LIKE THESE.

BUT THESE ARE LIKE SEVEN ALREADY. 123456. IF WE'RE CHOOSING SEVEN WE HAVE SEVEN.

OKAY. SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF SEVEN THAT WE WISH TO HAVE YOU APPROVE.

AND TWO SEPARATE ARTISTS. ONE ARTIST IS PROPOSING THE ARCH BENCHES AND THEN THE OTHER ARE, BUT WE'RE CHOOSING SEVEN PIECES. I'M SORRY. WE'RE CHOOSING SEVEN, WHICH IS TWO ARCH BENCHES AND FIVE AND FIVE, FIVE SPORTS RELATED BENCHES. RIGHT. OKAY, SO LET'S WORK ON THE ARCH.

WHAT FOR? YEAH. SO THE TOTAL NUMBER ARE HERE SEVEN.

SEVEN TOTAL ARE HERE. YES. AND WE'RE CHOOSING SEVEN TOTAL.

VICE MAYOR. VICE MAYOR BOLTON. LAST TIME THERE WERE MANY MORE, ESPECIALLY FROM THE SECOND ARTIST.

SO WE ELIMINATED THOSE THAT STILL, THE COMMISSION DID NOT LIKE, BASICALLY.

AND WE KEPT THE OTHERS. BUT I'M SAYING WE'RE CHOOSING SEVEN TODAY OF THESE.

THESE ARE THE SEVEN PICTURES. YES. SO WHAT ARE WE DISCUSSING?

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IF YOU IF THERE'S ONE YOU DON'T WANT, WE GO BACK TO THE ARTIST AND TELL THEM TO CHANGE SOMETHING.

AND SO YOU COME BACK AGAIN, TAKE ALL SEVEN. BUT THEY ONLY LOOK ON THEM.

WELL, NO, THERE'S THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ONES THAT.

THREE DIFFERENT ONES ACTUALLY. YOU'VE GOT SOCCER, YOU'VE GOT PICKLEBALL RACKETS AND YOU'VE GOT BASKETBALL.

SO THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT ONES. I LIKE WHAT THEY DID WITH THE, THE PADDLE BALLS TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S NOT TENNIS.

PERSONALLY, WE ALL AGREED WHEN IT CAME TO SKATEBOARD LAST TIME THAT IT WAS TOO LOW.

SO SHE'S GOT TO MAKE IT PUT ON A ON A LIP OR SOMETHING.

I MEAN THE, THE KIDS WILL SIT ON IT, BUT I THINK THE ARCH THAT IT'S TALL ENOUGH FOR THE ADULTS, RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. SO BASICALLY IT NEEDS TO BE STANDARD HEIGHT.

LET'S, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. OKAY. SO IF THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE'S ON A RAMP.

YES. STANDARD HEIGHT. JUST MAKE IT HIGHER SO WE'RE NOT HEARING OUR KNEES CRACK AS WE GO TO SIT.

SO WAIT. THE ARCH DESIGN BACK TO ONE. THE ARCH DESIGN.

THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE BENCH, RIGHT? THEY COULD JUST HAVE BOTH. AND I'M FINE WITH THE SKI THING BECAUSE IT GAVE ME AN IDEA.

IT'S EVEN IF A STRATEGIC. NATSUKI. I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? SURFING. NO, IT'S A SURFING.

IT'S A SURFBOARD. TWO, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS EVER BEEN TO THE HOTELS? AND THEY HAVE THE. THEY HAVE IT IN MARGOT SOMEWHERE.

MARGUERITA VILLA ANYONE IN BOCA, TOO, OR IN SOUTH FLORIDA.

PEOPLE HAVE BOATS IN TAMARAC. YEAH. YES. BUT IF THIS IS IT, I WANT YOU TO LEAVE IT.

BECAUSE I WANT YOU SWIMMING IN THE PARK. DON'T MOVE IT, OKAY? I DON'T LOOK, THERE'S TWO PEOPLE, DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS.

WHO CARES? AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YOU'VE GOT YOUR OPINION.

I GOT MY OPINION. WE'RE GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE? ARE WE KEEPING.

ARE WE JUST KEEPING IT? JUST KEEP ON. YEAH, LET'S MOVE ON.

WE'RE DONE. YEAH. LET'S KEEP ALL SEVEN WHERE WE ARE.

AND WE CAN MARK, FOR THE RECORD THAT WE GOT DONE WITH ARTWORK IN 20 MINUTES.

READY? CAN WE? THANK YOU. 22 MINUTES. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. YOU GOT IT. 22 MINUTES. THANK YOU.

MADE A RECORD. YOU GOT CONSENSUS. RUN! RUN! LA FORCE AND MARK. I GUESS COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS RUNNING TOO. ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOW DOWN TO ONE D WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE INCREASE NOTICE REQUIREMENT,

[1.d. Water and Wastewater Rate Increase Notice Requirement - Discussion and Consensus Presented by Priscilla Moxey, Financial Services Assistant Director/Controller]

DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS BEING PRESENTED TO US BY PRISCILLA MOXLEY, OUR FINANCIAL SERVICES ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CONTROLLER.

RIGHT. AND WHILE PRISCILLA IS COMING UP TO PRESENT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME, SOME SOME NEEDS FOR OUR WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES AND, AND THE FUNDING THAT WE NEED TO TO BUILD THOSE PROJECTS AND, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT DURING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING CONVERSATION AND WE, WE MENTIONED THAT WE DID A RATE STUDY, WHICH CALLED FOR A 15% INCREASE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE HAVE A HEALTHY BALANCE OR HEALTHY FUNDING FOR OUR UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THE FIRST YEAR WE WENT THROUGH THE 15% INCREASE LAST YEAR, THAT INCREASE WAS NOT APPROVED.

SO WE RECEIVED THE, THE INCREASE THAT WAS CPI, I BELIEVE 2.3% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND AS WE LOOK AT THE COST OF DOING CONSTRUCTION FOR THESE FACILITIES.

IT'S IT'S DOUBLE TRIPLED SINCE WE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS MATTER UP.

AND SO WE'RE AT A POINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WATER TREATMENT FACILITY WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AROUND $29 MILLION.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 50, 55, 60 MAYBE. AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS, THIS CURRENT SITUATION IS GOING TO IMPACT THAT.

AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT AND BOND AND, AND PROVIDE THE REVENUE SOURCE FOR, FOR THAT BOND.

WE NEED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR REVENUES ARE IN PLACE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS IN PREPARATION FOR THE THE END OF THE YEAR OR END OF THE FISCAL YEAR DISCUSSION OF, OF 15% VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE. AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MISS MOXIE, OUR INTERIM FINANCIAL SERVICES DIRECTOR FOR, FOR THAT.

SO THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR, VICE MAYOR FOLLOWING COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER.