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AND HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME TO OUR FIRST WORKSHOP OF 2025.
IT IS JANUARY 6TH AND THE TIME IS 1002.
CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ALL HERE.
AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE STARTED BY VICE MAYOR DANIEL.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT. FIRST UP ON OUR VERY LONG AGENDA IS ONE A CR 14193, A
[1.a TR14193 -A resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida; approving amendment #22 to the agreement between the City of Tamarac and Ronald I. Book, p.a., for lobbying services, extending the agreement for one year through January 25, 2026, at a cost not to exceed fifty-nine thousand four hundred dollars ($59,400.00) per year; authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the amendment to the agreement for lobbying services; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date. - Presented by Grants & Governmental Affairs Manager Tanya Williams, Ronald L. Book, P.A. and Rana G. Brown ]
RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC CITY COMMISSION, CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA APPROVING AMENDMENT NUMBER 22 TO THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND RONALD I'VE BOOK PA LOBBYING SERVICES.PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
AND THIS IS BEING PRESENTED BY OUR GRANTS AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS MANAGER, TANYA WILLIAMS. RONALD. SORRY, IT'S ACTUALLY THE RENA G.
BROWN AND I BELIEVE TANYA STERLING.
ARE YOU SITTING IN AS WELL? YES. RUNNING THE CLICKER.
OH, RUNNING THE CLICKER. ALRIGHT.
HE IS JUMPING ON SHORTLY IF HE'S NOT ALREADY.
I DON'T THINK HE'S ON YET BUT.
GOOD MORNING. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR.
COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
TANYA WILLIAMS, GRANTS AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS MANAGER.
THE ITEM ONE BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING IS APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER 22 FOR LOBBYIST SERVICES BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND RONALD BOOK, PA.
THIS AGREEMENT HAS BEEN RENEWED ANNUALLY SINCE 2002.
CURRENTLY, WE ARE HERE FOR THE AMENDMENT 22 EXTENSION OF THIS AGREEMENT FROM JANUARY THE 26TH, 2025 TO JANUARY 25TH, 2026.
THE COST FOR THE SERVICE IS 59,400.
IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME RATE THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING.
BOOK AND RONALD BOOK PA SINCE 2010.
SO THERE HASN'T BEEN AN INCREASE SINCE THAT TIME.
NOW, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM PROVIDES FOR THE FOLLOWING RESPONSIBILITIES.
PRIMARY SERVICE THEIR GOVERNMENT LIAISON TO US.
THEY MAINTAIN RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR STATE, FEDERAL, LOCAL AGENCIES, OFFICERS AND OFFICIALS.
THEY REPRESENT THE CITY BEFORE THESE OFFICIALS.
THEY COMMUNICATE WITH THESE GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIALS PER OUR DIRECTION, AND THEY ADVOCATE FOR LEGISLATIONS THAT FAVOR THE CITY AND OUR PRIORITIES. EXCUSE ME.
I'M A LITTLE HOARSE. YOU'RE DOING GREAT.
PART OF THEIR THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO PROVIDE US WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
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CITY SHOULD TAKE.THEY ALSO TRACK STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION THAT AFFECTS OUR CITY OPERATION.
THEY IDENTIFY FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES LIKE OUR STATE APPROPRIATIONS, AND THEY MAY ASSIST US WITH OBTAINING THOSE IN THE SENSE OF THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT PROJECTS WE SHOULD WE SHOULD SUBMIT THE AMOUNTS FOR THE PROJECTS AND THE MATCH AMOUNTS. USUALLY WE RELY ON THAT THEM FOR THOSE SERVICES.
AND THEY ALSO ASSIST US IN TALLAHASSEE BY ADVOCATING FOR THOSE PROJECTS AND FOR OUR OUR APPLICATION.
THEY ALSO MAY ASSIST US WITH OBTAINING STATE PERMITS EXAMPLE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS NEEDED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. SINCE 2002, RONALD BOOK CONTINUES TO ASSIST US IN IDENTIFYING STATE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THROUGH THE APPROPRIATIONS PROCESS.
IN 20 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024, THEY DID RECOMMEND AND WE DID SUBMIT APPLICATIONS FOR THREE PROJECTS.
WE RECEIVED FULL FUNDING FOR TAMARAC CANAL, CULVERT GATE AND ALUMINUM HEADWALL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $51,081. WE ALSO RECEIVED FUNDING FOR TAMARAC PARK AND SAFETY ENHANCEMENT, AND THAT'S FOR SAFETY ENHANCEMENT AT TAMARAC PARK.
WE RECEIVED AN AWARD AMOUNT OF $271,577.
THE THIRD PROJECT WAS OUR 94TH STREET PROJECT.
UNFORTUNATELY THAT PROJECT, THOUGH IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY BOTH OUR STATE, OUR SENATE AND AND OUR LEGISLATORS.
THE GOVERNOR VETOED IT, SO IT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE BUDGET.
AND THAT PROJECT WAS IN EXCESS OF $700,000 REQUEST.
SO BOTH THE THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE WERE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, BUT IT GOT VETOED.
NOW, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, THAT'S THIS FISCAL RON BOOK PA HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE SUBMIT TWO PROJECTS, AND THESE ARE THE PROJECTS. UNDERGROUND FIBER NETWORK EXPANSION PHASE THREE.
THIS WILL COMPLETE OUR TRANSITION TO A RESILIENT UNDERGROUND FIBER NETWORK.
THE RECOMMENDED LIMIT IS $750,000.
WITH OUR NEXT PROJECT IS OUR WASTEWATER LIFT STATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WHERE WE'LL BE REPLACING TWO OF OUR LIFT STATIONS. THIS WILL IMPROVE OUR SYSTEM EFFICIENCY AND PREVENT SPILLAGE AND SEWAGE ISSUES.
THE REQUESTED AMOUNT FOR THIS PROJECT IS $500,000, AS THE TOTAL ESTIMATED PROJECT COST IS $1 MILLION, AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE A 50%, WHICH IS A 1 TO 1 TO 1 MATCH OF 500,000.
NOW, AS STATED EARLIER, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER 22 TO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WITH ONE BOOK PROVIDES FOR THEIR CONTINUATION OF THEIR LOBBYIST SERVICES UNDER THE SAME TERMS AND AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH THEM, FRANKLY, NOW FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, IN THE SENSE THAT THEIR RATE, THEIR COST WILL NOT CHANGE.
IT WILL REMAIN AT 59,400, BUT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE US WITH EXCELLENT SERVICE.
YES. HE DIALED IN, I THINK, DURING THE PRESENTATION.
KEEP HIM QUIET. I MEAN GUYS GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL.
SO I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY ASKING TO ASK QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A QUESTION NOW THAT KIND OF GOES INTO THE NEXT PART, WHICH IS OUR AGENDA.
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NO WORRIES. HOW ARE YOU FEELING? AND YOU? FEELING GOOD? FEELING GOOD. GETTING THERE.BUT I'M GETTING THERE. UNDERSTOOD.
COMPLETELY. WELL, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
WHETHER YOU'RE ON SCREEN OR OR IN PERSON.
COMMISSIONER. BOLTON, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CONTRACT? GOOD MORNING, ATTORNEY BOOK.
GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER, AND GOOD MORNING, RANA, AND GOOD MORNING, STAFF.
OKAY. TANYA. MISS WILLIAMS. IN THE SCOPE OF AGREEMENT, IN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES, YOU SAID THAT RUNBOOK PA MAINTAINS RELATIONSHIPS WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES AS WELL.
ELABORATE MORE ON THAT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A FEDERAL LOBBYIST AND WE, IN FACT DO NOW.
I AM RELYING ON OUR CONTRACT, OUR AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD WITH MR. BURKE SINCE 2002.
AND THAT AGREEMENT PROVIDES ON PAGE TWO SCOPE OF WORK TO E THAT THEY WILL REPRESENT US WITH MEMBERS OF FEDERAL AND STATE DELEGATIONS.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MR. BOOK'S ROLE IS AS OUR STATE LOBBYIST.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE I WILL FORWARD THE QUESTION TO MR. BURKE AS TO EXACTLY WHAT THEIR ROLE IS, BUT THAT WAS WHAT WE AGREED TO BASED ON THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE CITY.
AND SO I RELAYED THE SCOPE OF SERVICES AS REFLECTED IN OUR SCOPE, OUR CONTRACT.
DO YOU MAINTAIN ANY FEDERAL RELATIONSHIPS FOR US OR DO YOU JUST STICK WITH THE STATE RELATIONSHIPS? MAYOR, THROUGH YOU TO COMMISSIONER BOLTON.
YES, PLEASE. OUR AGREEMENT ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED THAT WE WOULD NOT DO YOUR WASHINGTON WORK, BUT THAT WHEN CALLED UPON FOR A SPECIFIC AGENCY ISSUE, OR IF THERE WAS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, PRIMARILY FROM THE FLORIDA DELEGATION THAT YOUR WASHINGTON FOLKS NEEDED HELP AND ADDITIONAL SUPPORT ON.
WE WOULD LEND OUR EFFORTS TO PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF ACCESS AND COMMUNICATION.
WE REALLY HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE AND WHEN NEEDED AT THE COUNTY AND OR ANY OF THE LOCAL AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE LIKE.
IN MANY PLACES, INCLUDING THE NEW ADMINISTRATION.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY CITIES THAT PERHAPS DO NOT HAVE A LOBBYIST? I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD YOU AS OUR LOBBYIST FOR THE PAST 23 YEARS OR 22 YEARS, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THE ROI IS ROI IS INCREDIBLE.
I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE EXCEPTIONAL WORK AND IT'S TO BE COMMENDED.
BUT ARE THERE ANY CITIES THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT DOES NOT HAVE A LOBBYIST THAT PERHAPS HAVE RECEIVED THE SAME ROI SIMILAR TO US? I CAN I CAN ANSWER AND RON, IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER AFTER I THINK THAT.
IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO A LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED REPRESENTATION IN TALLAHASSEE.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO MEET AND EXCEED YOUR EXPECTATIONS ON FUNDING REQUESTS AND ISSUES, I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE REPRESENTATION IN TALLAHASSEE, SUCH AS OUR FIRM OR OTHER FIRMS THAT ARE THERE THE ENTIRE SESSION THROUGH COMMITTEE WEEKS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
MAINTAIN RELATIONSHIPS WITH LEGISLATORS IN THE IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LEGISLATORS FROM ORLANDO OR TAMPA OR THE PANHANDLE THAT RUN VERY IMPORTANT COMMITTEES THAT ARE FOCUSING ON NEEDS OF, OF TAMARAC.
AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE CAN OFFER AND HAVE DONE SO SUCCESSFULLY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH JUST ONE LITTLE ADDITIONAL PIECE.
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SPRINGS, AND FRANKLY, I WOULD THROW LOXAHATCHEE GROVES IN THERE AS WELL.THREE FAIRLY SMALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
THE THREE OF THEM, UP UNTIL TWO YEARS AGO HAD NO REPRESENTATION.
NEVER HAD NEVER GOT ANY MONEY FROM TALLAHASSEE.
LOOK, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T NEED REPRESENTATION.
THEY CAN GO THERE AND HOPE THAT THAT THROUGH MANY VISITS BY THE ELECTEDS THAT THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR ISSUES AT THE FOREFRONT OF LEGISLATORS.
EVERYBODY AROUND YOU IS REPRESENTED BY THE SAME GROUP OF BROWARD LAWMAKERS.
AND SO MAKING CERTAIN THAT YOUR ISSUES ARE WELL ADVOCATED EFFECTIVELY AND AGGRESSIVELY ADVOCATED FOR, I THINK SPEAKS FOR THE RESULTS YOU'VE RECEIVED. OKAY.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S SUFFICIENT.
BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE THE DISTINCTION OF YOUR SERVICES VERSUS THE SERVICES THAT WE GET FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, LIKE DOCTOR OSGOOD AND A REPRESENTATIVE DALY AND AND DUNKLEY.
WHAT DO THEY DO DIFFERENTLY THAT YOU DO DISTINCTLY FOR US? REMEMBER, THEY'RE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THEY ARE.
WE ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT THE SUCCESSES THAT YOU RECEIVE AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS RECEIVE ARE AS A RESULT OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE THAT GO THERE AND ADVOCATE ON THEIR BEHALF, ON THEIR BEHALF.
I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT SENATOR OSGOOD, REPRESENTATIVE DUNKLEY OR REPRESENTATIVE DALY ARE ALWAYS RESPONSIVE TO US WHEN WE ASK FOR THEIR HELP, WHEN WE ASK FOR THEIR SUPPORT, WHEN WE ASK FOR THE SPONSORSHIP OF YOUR ITEMS, WHEN WE FEEL NECESSARY TO GO BEYOND THE DELEGATION, THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
YOU KNOW, IN THE ADVOCACY ROLE, YOU PAY FOR OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE CHAIRS OF THE FULL COMMITTEES AND THE VARIOUS SUBCOMMITTEES THAT YOUR ISSUES END UP IN FRONT OF, AND WHETHER THAT'S THE TRANSPORTATION ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SUBCOMMITTEE OR THAT'S THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SUBCOMMITTEE OR THAT'S THE FULL APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE.
PART OF WHAT WE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IS TO HELP YOUR LOCAL LAWMAKERS IMPROVE ON THEIR SUCCESSES ON YOUR BEHALF AND AND ON YOUR CONSTITUENTS BEHALF.
ALL THREE OF THEM ARE TREMENDOUSLY RESPONSIVE TO YOUR CITY.
OKAY. AND THANK YOU, ATTORNEY BOOK, FOR ALWAYS BEING TREMENDOUSLY RESPONSIVE TO TO US.
I KNOW THAT WHEN WE COME TO TALLAHASSEE, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME THERE.
WE WORK VERY HARD BECAUSE RANA WORKS IS VERY HARD.
I THINK SHE'S A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL, AND SHE'S SHE KNOWS THE HALLS VERY WELL.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.
I WANT TO I WANT TO JUST REITERATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING YOUR MEETING.
FIRST OF ALL I'M REMISS IN NOT GIVING RON A CREDIT RIGHT UP FRONT FOR ALWAYS RUNNING INTERFERENCE FOR THE CITY ON BEHALF OF OUR FIRM. FIRST OF ALL.
SECOND OF ALL KEEPING YOU BUSY IS A CREATURE OF OF OF YOU ALL.
WHEN YOU COME TO TALLAHASSEE, COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE ALWAYS SEEKING MEETINGS.
YOUR YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE SEEKING MEETINGS.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. ATTORNEY.
COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. GOOD MORNING.
RONA. HOW'S IT GOING? HALL OF FAMER? THANK YOU.
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ALL GOOD. SIR. OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH OUR NEW ORLEANS.I KNOW YOU WENT TO SCHOOL UP THERE.
LAW SCHOOL AT TULANE UNIVERSITY.
SO JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH.
WE KNOW TULANE HAS A GREAT IMPACT OUT THERE.
THE GREATEST HITTER IN BASEBALL HISTORY IS PETE ROSE'S THE GREATEST HOME RUN HITTERS? BARRY BONDS, AND THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE HALL OF FAME BECAUSE THEY LACKED THE CHARACTER PART OF IT.
SO YOU'VE DONE WELL, MY FRIEND.
ALSO, IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU SAID RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AND JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS AND BEING IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, BROWARD PREDOMINANTLY HAS DEMOCRATIC ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE IN TALLAHASSEE AND THE LEGISLATURE'S SUPER MAJORITY REPUBLICANS.
IT IS. SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE, YOU COULD CREATE REALLY YOU HAVE RELATIONSHIPS.
AND LOOK IT'S NO SECRET THAT THERE ARE SUPERMAJORITIES IN BOTH HOUSES NOW.
MEMBERS. NOW ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.
BUT IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE BIPARTISAN RELATIONSHIPS AND THAT OUR RELATIONSHIPS EXTEND DEEPLY INTO THE LEADERSHIP SIDE OF BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE AND IN PARTICULAR, ON THE BUDGET SIDE.
YOU KNOW, I TELL FOLKS ALL THE TIME IT'S IT'S GREAT TO CARE ABOUT SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE A, B, C, AND D, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.
YOU WANT US TO BE PAROCHIAL AND SELFISH ON YOUR BEHALF AND ON YOUR TAXPAYERS BEHALF.
AND I THINK THAT AS A PART OF THAT, IT'S THE MAINTENANCE OF THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE AT THOSE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEES AND AT THE BUDGET COMMITTEES IN BOTH HOUSES THAT ARE CRITICAL.
YOU LOOK AT YOUR CHAIRMAN OF THE FULL BUDGET COMMITTEE IN THE SENATE.
HE COMES FROM THE SAME REGION BECAUSE HE'S FROM THE CLEARWATER, SAINT PETERSBURG AREA.
AND I CONSTANTLY REMIND THE FORMER FIRE CHIEF, WHO ALSO SERVES AS A MAYOR PREVIOUSLY, BEFORE SERVING IN THE HOUSE AND THEN IN THE SENATE, NEVER TO FORGET HIS LOCAL GOVERNMENT ROOTS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING HOME RULE POWERS, BUT ALSO THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPPORTING THOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROJECTS THAT DO HAVE A REASON FOR THE STATE FROM A NEXUS STANDPOINT TO SUPPORT FINANCIALLY.
GOOD. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO I'VE BEEN GOING TO THIS JERK CHICKEN GUY SINCE 2010.
SO SINCE 2010, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP TO KEEP YOUR PRICE THE SAME.
HOW COME THE JERK CHICKEN GUYS COULDN'T DO THAT? WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING FOR BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND KEEPING US AT THE SAME PRICE AND GIVING US EVEN BETTER SERVICE.
THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. HALL OF FAMER.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.
GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING RON.
GOOD MORNING RON A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.
IT WAS GOOD TO SEE YOU IN PERSON.
I MET WITH THE TEAM ON FRIDAY.
SO GOOD TO MEET RON IN PERSON.
AND I REALLY JUST HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS.
AND THESE PARTNERSHIPS REALLY DO YIELD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY.
AND SO ECHOING SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COMMISSIONER JUST SAID, I REALLY JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY AGREEMENT IS SUPPOSED TO INCREASE NATURALLY, YOU GUYS, I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE THAT WE ARE STILL GETTING THE BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC THAT WHILE I WOULDN'T QUESTION THE CONTRACT, I THINK EVEN IF IT WERE TO HAVE INCREASED, I THINK IT'S AMAZING THAT WE HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE THE SUPPORT AT THE SAME RATE THAT WE'VE HAD, I GUESS, FROM ITS INCEPTION.
SO I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS.
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AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO PARTNER WITH TONYA AND THE LADIES HERE AT THE CITY TOGETHER WITH YOU TO BE ABLE TO BE AS IMPACTFUL AS POSSIBLE WHILE THERE.THANK YOU. WE WELCOME ALL OF YOU HELPING US HELP YOU, IF YOU WILL.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE PLANNING OUR TRIPS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING UP.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN SAID, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LOCAL.
PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB GETTING US APPOINTMENTS WITH THE HEAD OF INSURANCE, ONE OF THOSE TOPICS THAT HAS NOT GONE AWAY OR GOTTEN BETTER AT ALL. AND SOME OF THE PUSHES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE REQUESTS THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO OUTSIDE OF JUST BROWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING UP THERE THAT WE'RE EFFECTIVE, AND THAT ALSO WHEN WE'RE EFFECTIVE UP THERE AND YOU HELP US REACH THE NORTHERN PART OF THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES, IT ALLOWS OUR LOCAL DELEGATION TO BE ABLE TO BETTER ACCESS WITH THEM, TOO, THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE HAD BEFOREHAND, BECAUSE YOU'VE ALLOWED US AND YOU'VE CONNECTED US TO BE ABLE TO BRIDGE THE GAP, WHICH THEN EVENTUALLY BRIDGE THE GAP FOR OUR LOCAL ELECTED.
WE'RE LOCAL. WE'RE NONPARTIZAN.
WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HOME RULE DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
WE'RE GOOD PEOPLE. SO I BELIEVE THE TOPIC OF THE CONTRACT IS DONE.
AND SO UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CONTRACT, WE DON'T NEED CONSENSUS.
WE'RE MOVING IT ON ON CONSENT AGENDA.
[1.b TR14192 - A Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, approving the City of Tamarac Legislative Agenda for the 2025 state of Florida Legislative Session; directing the City Clerk to transmit a copy of the City of Tamarac Legislative Agenda for the 2025 State Legislative Session to the Florida League of Cities, the Broward League of Cities, the Broward County Legislative Delegation and the Broward County Board of County Commissioners; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date. - Presented by Grants & Governmental Affairs Manager Tanya Williams ]
AND WE WILL NOW GO FORWARD TO ITEM ONE B.STATE OF FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO TRANSMIT A COPY OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR 2025 STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, THE BROWARD LEAGUE OF CITIES, THE BROWARD COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION, AND THE BROWARD COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
AND PRESENTED BY THE FOUR OF YOU.
UNLESS YOU NEED ME TO RESTATE EVERYBODY'S NAMES.
I THINK WE ARE GOOD ON THAT ONE.
SO I'LL JUST KICK IT OFF SINCE I ALREADY MADE MENTION IN THE LAST ONE.
I SEE THE LEGISLATIVE ITEMS THAT WERE FROM THE PAST.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME PROGRESS ON MANY OF THEM, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT MORE TO GO, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR CANAL FUNDING AND BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ON THERE.
DID WE LOSE RON? DID WE LOSE HIM? OH, GOD.
I'M SORRY. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AN UPDATE.
NEVER MIND. DO YOU WANT TO DO YOUR PRESENTATION? I JUST WENT STRAIGHT INTO QUESTIONS.
OH. THAT'S OKAY. GO AHEAD. DO YOUR PRESENTATION.
ACTUALLY, TANYA'S GOING TO DO THE PRESENTATION.
TANYA, GO FOR IT. SORRY, I'M JUST EXCITED.
I WANT TO GET THINGS DONE ALREADY.
AGAIN. TANYA WILLIAMS, GRANDSON, GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS MANAGER.
SO THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING IS THE 2025 STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.
NOW, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS PROVIDES BASICALLY A DIRECTION TO THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATES, LIKE RONNA AND RON ON WHAT OUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES ARE FOR THE YEAR.
SO AS WE PREPARE FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR MARCH THE 4TH THROUGH MAY THE 2ND, 2025, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT ARE ADVOCATES.
KNOW WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES ARE, WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.
SO THAT THEY CAN BEST ADVOCATE ON OUR BEHALF.
AND SO BASICALLY WE HAVE A CONSENSUS AND WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
NOW ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS ISSUES OR ITEMS THAT WE SUPPORT IS A DIVERSIFICATION OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE BASE. THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR FISCAL YEAR 2025 ADOPTED BUDGET.
IN THAT BUDGET, BASICALLY, WE'RE PROJECTING REVENUE IN EXCESS OF $237 MILLION BASED ON THESE TAXES AND ASSESSMENTS. AD VALOREM TAXES.
PERMITS, FEES AND ASSESSMENTS.
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WE CAN PROVIDE AND MAINTAIN ADEQUATE LEVEL, ADEQUATE LEVEL OF SERVICES FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.WE SUPPORT LIMITS ON TORT CLAIMS AGAINST LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
WE'RE IN FAVOR OF A STATUTORY LIMIT.
THE CURRENT LIMIT IS 200,000 PER PERSON, 300,000 PER INCIDENT.
WE SUPPORT RESILIENCY, RECOVERY AND WATER FUNDING, SUPPORTING PROGRAMS SUCH AS RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT PROGRAMS WHERE WE RECEIVE FUNDING FOR WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT.
CONSERVATION, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
WE ALSO SUPPORT FUNDING FOR PRIVATE CANAL OR SEAWALLS TO HELP PROPERTY OWNERS MAINTAIN AND PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR WATER SYSTEM.
WE ALSO SUPPORT TRANSPORTATION FUNDING.
WE SUPPORT LOCAL CONTROL OVER THE PLANNING OF OUR TRANSPORTATION SUPPORT, EQUITABLE FUNDING, DISTRIBUTION SUPPORT, REVENUE OPTIONS FOR CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSIT PROJECTS.
WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT PROMOTES OR PROTECTS OR PROVIDES FOR RECREATION AND GREEN SPACE.
WE SUPPORT PROGRAMS OR FUNDING SOURCES LIKE GRANT PROGRAMS LIKE LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION FUND, FLORIDA FOREVER FUND THROUGH FLORIDA COMMUNITIES TRUST.
FLORIDA RECREATION DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST.
WE'RE IN FAVOR OF PROTECTION OF THE HOME RULE LEGISLATION TO PROTECT LOCAL CONTROL.
IT ENABLES US AS A CITY TO ADDRESS OUR COMMUNITY'S NEEDS MORE EFFECTIVELY, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS US BETTER THAN WE KNOW OURSELVES? IT ENABLES US TO MAINTAIN SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE, PRESERVE OUR UNIQUE COMMUNITY CHARACTERISTICS, AND PROVIDE TAILORED SERVICES TO MEET OUR COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND CHALLENGES.
AND ASK YOURSELF WHAT THAT IS.
WE'RE IN FAVOR OF CREATING AND RETAINING LIVING WAGE JOBS.
ENCOURAGE SUPPORT FOR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES.
OR IN SUPPORT, OF COURSE, HIGH QUALITY PUBLIC EDUCATION.
SUPPORT THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN OUR GOVERNMENT, THE STATE AND LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO IMPROVE UNDERPERFORMING SCHOOLS AND EXPAND QUALITY EDUCATION OPTIONS, WHICH SO OF COURSE WE WOULD SUPPORT FUNDING TO INCREASE TEACHER SALARIES AND BONUSES TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN TOP TALENT.
EARNING EARLY LEARNING COALITION TO ENSURE ACCESS TO HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION.
EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC SUPPORTS CONSISTENT AND ADEQUATE FUNDING FOR SCHOOL SAFETY INITIATIVES, REDUCING THE FINAL THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION FOR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT. TOP PRIORITIES, OF COURSE, ARE THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS, OUR TEACHERS, OUR STAFF, RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND WE URGE THE STATE TO ENSURE THAT ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS PROVIDE THIS CONSISTENT AND ADEQUATE FUNDING TO SCHOOL SAFETY PROGRAMS. WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT ENCOURAGES MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
PROMOTE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS NEAR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
AND THAT FALLS UNDER OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
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WE SUPPORT. WE SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND RENTAL, WHICH BASICALLY FALLS UNDER HOUSING ISSUES.AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
RENTAL AND CONDOMINIUM ISSUES.
ADVOCATING THAT ALL SADOWSKI AND LOCAL HOUSING TRUST FUNDS BE ALLOCATED ALLOCATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS. WE SUPPORT HOME OWNERSHIP AND RENTAL AVAILABILITY TO MEET WORKFORCE NEEDS.
WE SUPPORT INITIATIVES THAT WORK TO BASICALLY EASE THE BURDEN ON CONDOMINIUM OWNERS AS A RESULT OF RECENT LEGISLATION. CITY OF TAMARAC ALSO CONTINUES TO SUPPORT COMPENSATION FOR ELIGIBLE VICTIMS OF WRONGFUL INCARCERATION. WE'D LIKE TO WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT REMOVING RESTRICTIONS THAT MAY DISQUALIFY THESE INDIVIDUALS WITH PRIOR FELONIES FROM RECEIVING COMPENSATION.
AND WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS MORE TIME TO FILE THEIR CLAIMS. THE CITY CONTINUES TO SUPPORT PROVIDING PROGRAMS THAT ADDRESSES HOMELESSNESS, MENTAL HEALTH, ADDICTION AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AND I CAN DEFINITELY ATTEST TO THIS SUPPORTS PROGRAM THAT ADDRESS AND REDUCE EMPLOYEE STRESS, PROMOTES INITIATIVES TO IMPROVE EMPLOYEE WELL-BEING, AND ASSIST EMPLOYEES FACING CHALLENGES TO REGAIN PRODUCTIVITY AND STABILITY AND STABILITY.
AND I'M SORRY, GUYS, I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT, BUT I'VE TAKEN ALL.
I HAVE USED OUR FACILITIES AND THEY ARE AMAZING.
SECURITY WE ADVOCATE THAT IS THE CITY OF TAMARAC ADVOCATES FOR INCREASED FUNDING TO ENHANCE PHYSICAL SECURITY IN THE CITY, AND ALSO FUNDING TO SUPPORT CYBER SECURITY ENHANCEMENT.
WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO REGULATE COMMUNICATION TOWERS INFRASTRUCTURE AND TWO OF HER NEW OBJECTIVES AND PRIORITIES ARE.
WE SUPPORT INCREASED FUNDING TO PROGRAMS THAT PROTECT SCHOOLS AND NONPROFITS FROM VIOLENCE AND HATE CRIMES THROUGH PROGRAMS SUCH AS NONPROFIT SECURITY GRANT PROGRAMS. ANY PROGRAMS THAT WOULD COMBAT HATE CRIMES.
WE ALSO SUPPORT LIVE, HEALTHY PROGRAMS GROWING FLORIDA'S HEALTH CARE WORKFORCE.
SO WE SUPPORT PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE OUR CITY TO COLLABORATE WITH THE STATE AS WE ADDRESS HEALTH CARE DEFICIT POLICIES THAT WILL GROW THE HEALTH CARE WORKFORCE, WILL INCREASE OUR ACCESS TO SERVICES, AND ENCOURAGES INNOVATION.
AND THIS ENDS MY PRESENTATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
ANY. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER PATTERSON HAD MENTIONED SOME THINGS THAT SHE MAY WANT TO ADD.
SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO OPPORTUNITY TO LET US KNOW.
AND GREAT PRESENTATION, BY THE WAY.
THANK YOU. IT'S OKAY TO HAVE LAUGHTER.
IT'S LIKE, REALLY DON'T NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
SO AS I STARTED ASKING YOU ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE FLOOR PENDING FOR POLICIES TO AMEND THE LIVE LOCAL ACT? SO WOULD IT BE HELPFUL THAT WE ADD TO OUR PRIORITIES? SO BEFORE I GO FURTHER, LOOK, LOOK, I THINK THAT IT'S REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO MASSAGE IN SOME WAYS, VARIOUS PROVISIONS OF LIVE LOCAL.
I DON'T THINK MANY OF THE LARGER POLICY CHANGES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE WILL HAPPEN ANY SOONER THAN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN SENATOR PASSIDOMO IS NO LONGER IN THE BODY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN APPETITE IN THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE TO GO INTO THE BILL WHILE SHE IS STILL IN THE BODY, AS RULES CHAIRMAN IN THE SENATE AND THE FORMER SENATE PRESIDENT, AND UNDO THINGS THAT SHE FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT.
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THAT SAID, IF YOU WOULD ASK ME, MADAM MAYOR, ON DAY ONE OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WOULD THE PASCO COUNTY FIX FIT INTO WHAT SHE HAD BOTH PRIVATELY AND PUBLICLY BEEN SAYING SHE HAD THE STOMACH TO DO? I WOULD HAVE BET AGAINST IT.IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW OF VERY MANY PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT THE PASCO FIX COULD GET THERE, BUT IT DID, AND IT DID IN THE CLOSING HOURS OF THE THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
SO WHILE I THINK THAT REPRESENTATIVE VICKY LOPEZ IS CONTINUING AT THE DIRECTION OF SPEAKER PEREZ TO WORK ON A LIST OF ISSUES, AND I BELIEVE THAT SENATOR CLAUDIA, TO SOME EXTENT, WITH COORDINATION WITH BOTH THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, BEN ALBRITTON, AND THE RECENT PAST PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PASSIDOMO, IS ALSO WORKING ON A LIST.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN TELL YOU WHAT A BILL MIGHT YET LOOK LIKE, AND I STILL AM WEARY TO BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNOR IS REALLY GOING TO WEIGH IN ON ON MUCH OF IT.
SO I THINK THERE WILL BE A BILL, MAYOR.
MAYBE THERE WILL BE SEVERAL BILLS.
I THINK THEY'LL ALL GET CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE.
I JUST DON'T THINK I KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AT THIS POINT.
UNDERSTOOD. SO IF THE CITY HAD SOMETHING IN OUR LEGISLATIVE ADDED TO OUR PRIORITIES.
WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL TO AT LEAST LET THOSE PEOPLE OR REPRESENTATIVES PUTTING FORTH BILLS THAT THERE IS SUPPORT FROM CITIES, OR AT LEAST OUR CITY, TO KNOW THAT WE DO BELIEVE IN OUR HOME RULE AND THAT WHILE THEY MAY NOT SENATOR PASSIDOMO MAY NOT HAVE THE STOMACH FOR IT.
THE REST OF US HAVE THE DESIRE, THE WILL, AND TO REMIND THEM THAT WHILE THERE ARE GOOD INTENTIONS WITH THE ACT, THE ACTUAL PUTTING IT FORWARD AND THE PROCESS OF IT AND THE PROCEDURES OF IT ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO WORK OUT AS WELL AS THEY HAD HOPED, WITHOUT PUTTING MORE BURDENS ON THE CITIES.
AND FOR US TO ACTUALLY WAIT TWO YEARS, HOW MUCH DAMAGE IS GOING TO BE DONE BETWEEN THAT TIME? I KNOW IT'S AN ITEM FOR US TO DISCUSS FURTHER ON OUR AGENDA FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IN THE INTERIM, IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD THINK THAT THIS COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE CONSENSUS OR NOT TO SUPPORT PUTTING IT AS A LEGISLATIVE ITEM? EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN EVERY COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN THIS STATE HAVE DIFFERENT GROWTH ORIENTED ISSUES AND DIFFERENT CODE RELATED ISSUES BASED ON, AS WE ALL KNOW, PAST DECISIONS THAT OTHER COMMISSIONS MAY HAVE MADE DECISIONS ON, ON DENSITY AND THE LIKE.
I WOULD SAY TO YOU, THERE IS NO MORE VISIBLE ISSUE RELATED TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS PENDING PAST AND IN THE FUTURE THAN LIVE LOCAL.
NOT TELLING YOUR SENATOR AND YOUR TWO HOUSE MEMBERS AND OTHERS IN THE BROWARD DELEGATION HOW YOU FEEL ON THIS ISSUE, IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE A MISTAKE.
I THINK YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING YOUR JOBS IF YOU DID NOT INCLUDE SOMETHING IN THE WAY OF COMMUNICATING WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE PROBLEMS ARE FROM A TAMARAC STANDPOINT.
OTHERWISE, IT'S SHAME ON YOU, MAYOR.
AND THAT'S NOT MEANT AS A JAB AT YOU, BUT YOU GET THE MESSAGE.
I DO AS THE ALTER EGO OF THE CITY.
YOU ALL HAVE TO ADVOCATE THOSE THINGS AND TO LEAVE IT SILENT SAYS YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE STATUS QUO.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS I AM NOT SILENT, AND I WILL SEEK SUPPORT FROM THIS COMMISSION TO NOT REMAIN SILENT, AND THAT WE PUT IN SOMETHING THAT WORKS TO SHOW OUR CLEAR ADVOCACY TO SUPPORT LOCAL RULE AND HAVE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT CHANGE IN THE MOST BENEFICIAL WAY FOR OUR CITY.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT, MAYOR, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEND THAT MESSAGE TO THE BROWARD LEAGUE THROUGH MARY LOU AND THROUGH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE AS WELL.
AND I THINK IT'S AS IS IMPORTANT TO DO THAT THAN IT IS TO JUST LET YOUR LOCAL LAWMAKERS KNOW IT.
THE CITY AND THE COUNTY CAN'T.
I APPRECIATE SO IN JUST A QUICK PROCESS BECAUSE I SAW SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
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I'M GOING TO PULL THE COMMISSION.UNLESS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, PLEASE BRING THEM UP ON ADDING TO THE AGENDA.
THIS HAVING THE CITY SUPPORT AMENDMENTS TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR OUR CITY.
YES. WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS SUPPORT, SO PLEASE ADD THAT ONE TO OUR FINAL DETERMINATION ON WEDNESDAY.
SO LAST YEAR WE WERE SUCCESSFUL THROUGH OUR STATE LEGISLATURE.
THERE WAS SOMETHING WRITTEN UP.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OR IF IT WAS A PARKS PROGRAM.
THERE WAS SOME OTHER PROGRAM THAT WAS RECOMMENDED.
AND TANYA, IF YOU REMEMBER, PLEASE SHOUT IT OUT.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS? WELL, YOU MENTIONED THE COMPLETE STREETS PROGRAM OF SOME SORT.
IT'S ALL GOOD. YOU CAN SPEAK OUT LOUD.
IT'S ALL GOOD. HERE'S YOUR MIC.
I'M SORRY. YOU CAN SAY IT OUT LOUD.
YEAH. SHE CAN. GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.
MARY. IT WASN'T ANOTHER PROGRAM.
BUT WHEN WE DO GET AN APPROPRIATIONS, IT'S FUNDS THAT THAT'S TAKEN OUT OF THE SAME DEP BUDGET.
SO I MEAN, RIGHT, SO AND AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS NOW VETOED I THINK IS PROBABLY INDICATIVE THAT WE NEED TO EITHER SUBMIT THAT AS A GRANT GOING FORWARD AND NOT AS A MEMBER REQUEST, WHICH THE OTHER TWO WERE.
OKAY. BUT AND AS IT RELATES TO THAT PROJECT, YOUR HONOR, I'M SORRY.
OH MY GOD. I'M SORRY, MAYOR AND I KEEP ON DOING THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR.
IT'S OKAY. NO, NO, THAT'S MY FAULT.
THAT IS WHERE I'M GOING. SO I AM SORRY.
BUT, MAYOR, THIS PROJECT IS NOW WELL ON THE WAY.
WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING CROSSWALK BETWEEN TWO, TWO SCHOOLS.
WELL, I THINK THE BIDDING PROCESS IS ALREADY IN, AND I BELIEVE MUSTAFA CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
BUT THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT THIS WOULD BE DONE THIS SUMMER.
IS IT THIS SUMMER? IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN THE SUMMER.
YEAH, BUT BUT THE WHOLE THE OBJECTIVE MADAM MAYOR, IS THAT THE PROJECT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED DURING THE SUMMER HOURS, EVEN IF IT STARTS MAYBE IN APRIL OR WHATEVER, BUT BE DONE WHEN THE KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL.
THIS PROJECT IS NO LONGER RIPE FOR FUNDING.
I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR IT NOW BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET THIS PROJECT UNDERWAY.
YEAH, IT WAS AN EXCELLENT PROJECT.
IT WAS ONE THAT WE WERE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THE SUPPORT AND RECEIVE.
THAT UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE LAST STEP, BUT THE SECOND TO LAST STEP, EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD TO HELP US FUND THIS VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR OUR KIDS AND KIDS AND OUR RESIDENTS AND TEACHERS AND STUFF.
I KNOW WE WERE GOING THROUGH IT ANYWAY.
SO SEE, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, MAYOR, IS OFTENTIMES WITH OUR GRANTS, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE HAVE THE GRANT AGREEMENT. AND AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS.
SO THEY WOULD IT WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO STOP IN ORDER TO NO, NO, NO, NO.
AND THAT'S FINE. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
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ONE THING THAT IS.VERY WELL KNOWN IS THE INSURANCE.
THE INSURANCE, THE INSURANCE, THE INSURANCE, THE RESERVES, THE RESERVES, THE RESERVES.
IT WAS PATS ON THE BACK OF YEAH, WE'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL INSURANCE COMPANIES.
THE RESERVE STUDY, I DO KNOW THAT.
OR THE RESERVES HAVING THE RESERVES COMPLETED BY THE END OF 2025 IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
SENATOR LOPEZ, I YEAH I MET WITH HER.
THERE'S NO CHANGES. IT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE.
THE QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO I STILL THINK THAT THIS BILL HAS A LOT OF HOLES IN IT.
AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR MAKING IT BETTER IF PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO STAND STRONG.
I KNOW OUR MANY OF US ARE READY TO STILL COME UP TO TALLAHASSEE AND HIM BRING BUSLOADS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST SO FRUSTRATED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T WORKED OUT THE KINKS AND SEEING THAT YOU CAN DO A LOT, BUT YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT A THROUGH Z.
YOU CAN'T JUST STOP IT AT C, AND THEY'VE COMPLETELY HIT A BRICK WALL ON C, SO SEEING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING UNLESS I'VE MISSED IT HAVING SOME LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY COMMENTS IN HERE TO B TO SUPPORT CHANGES ON INSURANCE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR OUR.
IT'S NOT EVEN JUST OUR HOMEOWNERS, IT'S OUR BUSINESSES.
WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO PAY IT? THEY'RE PUTTING IT DOWN ONTO THE BUSINESSES THAT MOVE INTO THEIR SHOPS.
AND THEN THE $7 CHICKEN IS NOW $27.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE TRICKLE EFFECT.
AND SO I WOULD REALLY THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT OF OUR CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LET THE LEGISLATURE KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL SUPPORTING CHANGES IN THE INSURANCE AND THE RESERVE RULES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AMENDED TO THE SATISFACTION OF MAKING SURE IT HELPS OUR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE NEWSPAPER A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, INSURANCE RATES ARE DESIGNATED TO HIKE YET AGAIN.
HOW IS THAT HELPING ANYBODY? HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE ARE WE PUTTING INTO FORECLOSURE OR HAVING THEM EVICTED? AND THEN WE'RE SAYING, LET'S GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONEY FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET OUT.
HOW ABOUT HELPING THE PEOPLE BEFORE THEY GO INTO FORECLOSURE? BEFORE THEY GET EVICTED? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING MORE PEOPLE ON THE STREET.
BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER TOPIC FOR LATER.
BUT ANYHOW, SO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT THIS BODY OR WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS BODY ADDING TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR YOU TO HELP US ADVOCATE FOR CHANGING AND STRENGTHENING RULES? I THINK, AGAIN, LOOK, YOUR ABILITY TO GET ANYTHING DONE DIRECTLY ON PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE IS NON-EXISTENT.
WE KNOW THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS KNOW.
WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS KNOW IS THAT GOVERNMENT HAS A ROLE IN REGULATING INSURANCE COMPANIES, AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND SO, AGAIN, NOT TO ENCOURAGE THE OBVIOUS, BECAUSE CERTAINLY SENATOR OSGOOD AND REPRESENTATIVE DUNKLEY AND REPRESENTATIVE DALY.
HEAR REGULARLY FROM THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS AS WELL AS TO THE CRAZINESS OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO WITHOUT IN ORDER TO PAY THEIR PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE SO THEY DON'T GO INTO DEFAULT AND THEIR MORTGAGE AND END UP HOMELESS.
TO DO NOTHING SAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOU, SO IT'S HARD.
WELL, I DON'T THINK MANY OF THESE RESOLUTIONS HAVE ANY IMPACT ON WHAT DOES OR DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I'M NOT SURE. POLITICAL CONSULTANTS.
AND WE DON'T SERVE IN THAT ROLE.
BUT IF I DON'T TELL YOU THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ADVOCATE SO THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO RESPOND TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS NOW AND IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T SIT SILENT.
YOU TOLD YOUR LEGISLATORS WHAT MATTERED TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE RESOLUTION AS WELL.
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AND, AND RONNA WILL TELL YOU, WE DISCOURAGE OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM DOING LOTS AND LOTS OF RESOLUTIONS BECAUSE THEY PASS HIM IN AN INDISCRIMINATE KIND OF A WAY.THEY GET A WILD HAIR AND THEY PUT A RESOLUTION ON AN AGENDA.
LIVE LOCAL PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE ARE BIG DEAL ISSUES.
AND SO IN URGING TO THE LEGISLATURE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
DO I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO ADDRESS PNC THIS YEAR? I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ATTEMPT AGAIN TO ADDRESS PROPERTY AND CASUALTY.
I DO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KNOW, CITIZENS YOU KNOW TELLING A PROPERTY OWNER THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO GO TO INSURANCE COMPANY A BECAUSE INSURANCE COMPANY A QUOTED A RATE AND I'LL GET THE NUMBER WRONG, BUT YOU'LL GET THE GIST.
IT'S 20% GREATER THAN THE COST OF CITIZENS, AND CITIZENS CAN JUST ASSIGN IT TO THAT COMPANY.
WHO SAYS THEY'LL TAKE THAT RESIDENCE ON BECAUSE THEY'VE NOW GOT A 20% VIG ABOVE WHAT CITIZENS SAID WAS AN ACTUARIALLY SOUND RATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD THING OR BAD THING.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE INSURANCE CLIENTS.
WE DON'T PLAY IN THAT SIDE OF THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU ARE.
ON THE FINANCIAL ECONOMIC IMPACT WORLD OF WEALTH OR LACK THEREOF.
WHEREVER YOU ARE. PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE RATES ARE KILLING YOU.
AND I HEARD YESTERDAY FROM ONE OF THE MORNING TALK SHOWS.
THAT RATES HAVE SOMEWHAT STABILIZED.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE HELL THEY'VE STABILIZED FOR.
BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T STABILIZED FOR ME OR ANY MEMBER OF MY FAMILY.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY'VE STABILIZED FOR ANY OF YOU EITHER.
AND I DO KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SENATOR OSGOOD AND DUNKLEY AND DALY AND THEY AND THE REST, THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL TRYING REALLY HARD.
THE PNC AND ALSO DEALING WITH THE RESERVES ON IT BECAUSE IT ALL GOES TOGETHER.
BECAUSE IF YOUR INSURANCE ISN'T.
IF THE INSURANCE COMPANY THINKS THAT THINKS THAT YOUR ROOF IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR 40 YEAR, 30 YEAR, OR YOUR RESERVE STUDY OR ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, AND YOUR PARKING LOT IS NOT DONE RIGHT OR YOUR WALLS AREN'T PAINTED.
IT ALL GOES IN TOGETHER FOR WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DING YOU FOR.
SO I WOULD ASK FOR CONSENSUS ON THIS COMMISSION TO ADD THAT AS WELL.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? COMMISSIONER DANIEL, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THIS ITEM? YEAH. GOOD MORNING.
HAPPY NEW YEAR IF MORNING, COMMISSIONER, IF THIS IS NOT GOING TO BRING FORTH ANY RESULTS, WHY ARE WE DOING IT? YOU SAID THE ONLY THING WE HAVE POWER FOR IS WHAT I HEARD.
MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD IS EDUCATING OUR RESIDENTS.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST STRATEGY FOR THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? I PERSONALLY ON THIS ISSUE THINK TELLING YOUR LAWMAKERS, REITERATING TO THEM.
THE PROBLEMS FROM A FROM A LOCAL PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU HEAR IS WHAT THIS URGING IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT. YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT BECAUSE INSURANCE REGULATION IS PREEMPTED TO THE STATE AND NOT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. AND SO WHILE YOU CAN'T DIRECTLY IMPACT IT, NOT TELLING LAWMAKERS THAT YOUR TAXPAYERS CONTINUE TO SCREAM, YELL AND HOLLER AND AND AND SOME LOSING, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT OF LOSING THEIR HOMES OVER IT.
I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, BUT WE'VE DONE THAT.
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MEETING WITH RESIDENTS.MEETING WITH DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.
I THINK THEY ARE QUITE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM.
I DON'T SEE HOW MAKING ANOTHER RESOLUTION GOING TO SOLVE IT.
LIKE, HOW CAN WE TRULY SOLVE THE PROBLEM? I THINK THAT'S A DECISION YOU ALL NEED TO MAKE.
GO AHEAD. I CAN OFFER A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK.
SO I THINK YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN, INCLUDING A RESOLUTION CONVEYING THEIR MESSAGES TO THE LEGISLATURE AND STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES AROUND THE WHOLE STATE THAT ARE DOING THE SAME THING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I JUST HATE AIN'T WASTING TIME ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MAKING AN IMPACT.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND WHILE WE MAY NOT FEEL THAT IT'S MAKING AN IMPACT, I THINK IT DOES MAKE AN IMPACT LOCALLY TO OUR RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T JUST ROLLED OVER AND SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, THEN THE WHOLE REALITY IS ALL OF THESE LEGISLATIVE ITEMS, WE'VE BEEN ROLLING SOME OF THEM OVER FOR YEARS ON END.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING IT FOR? SO I THINK YOU SEE A CHANGE IN SOME YOU SEE PROGRESS, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT'S THE FORWARD MOVEMENT ON THIS? WELL, IN IN THE STATE LEGISLATORS MIND.
AND I KNOW IT'S NOT YOU WHO COULD MAKE THE CHANGE.
THEY JUST HAVEN'T MADE THE CHANGES THAT ARE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO REALLY BE EFFECTIVE.
AND IF WE, IN MY OPINION, IF WE DON'T LET THEM KNOW, TO LET EVERYBODY ELSE KNOW WHAT THEY DID, MOVED IT A CENTIMETER, WE NEED TO STILL PUSH THEM TO MOVE IT MUCH FURTHER BECAUSE THEN THEY GET AWAY WITH THINKING THAT THEY'VE DONE A JOB WELL DONE.
SO THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE AND I AGREE TOTALLY.
THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY INSTEAD OF DOING THE SAME THING THAT HASN'T MOVED THEM.
WELL, ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS AS A SEGUE, BUT IT'S ON THE SAME THING, IS RINA AND RON ARE WORKING FOR WHEN WE GO UP THERE TO GO TO THE LOBBYISTS FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO GO TO A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE VERSUS GOING TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS WHO ARE GETTING LOBBIED BY THEM.
LET US ACTUALLY GO TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOBBYING AGAINST, SO TO SPEAK, THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE GETTING THE INSURER OR THE THE PLAZA OWNERS WHO ARE GETTING THE INSURANCE, AND TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE THEM UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE AND SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO HELP.
COME TO THE TABLE WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE WHEN THEY TALK TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE WORK TO WORK, BUT WE GOT TO TRY SOMETHING.
LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP TELLING US WE'RE GOING TO GO UP AND UP AND UP AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF ABANDONED BUILDINGS? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO INSURE THEN, WHEN NOBODY'S TAKING CARE OF IT FROM THE INSIDE OR FROM THE OUTSIDE, BECAUSE NOBODY IS ABLE TO LIVE HERE, OR IF YOU DEVELOPERS WILL COME IN AND KNOCK EVERYTHING DOWN, BUT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT PEOPLE IN THEM, OR YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PUT THEM IN FOR A YEAR.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU KEEP INCREASING THE PRICES, NO ONE WILL BE THERE.
AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO YOUR INSURANCE MARKET? SO JUST BEING ABLE TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY OR ANOTHER MECHANISM.
LET US JUST DO INSURANCE FOR HAZARD FOR THE SIX MONTHS THAT WE HAVE IT.
SO THERE'S MECHANISMS. AND I THINK THAT AS A CITY WE STAND BY TRYING TO FIND THE MECHANISM.
WE NEED EVERYBODY IN THE POOL WITH US TRYING TO WORK ON IT.
SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE ASK ON THIS ONE.
OKAY. MR. PATTERSON, YOUR SUPPORT OR NOT WRONG.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH ATTORNEY BOOK.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
IT'S IT'S JUST I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S WORTH THE PAPER THAT'S WRITTEN ON.
BUT I THINK THE IF WE WANT, YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS TO, KNOW THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. MEET WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
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I THINK WE JUST PILING ON, YOU KNOW, THINGS JUST TO SOUND GOOD OR SOUND BITES.SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE I SHARE THE WOES OF THE INSURANCE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AND ALL THE STUFF, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US ARE FACING THE SAME ISSUE AND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER YOU KNOW, SO BUT I JUST THINK IT'S POLITICAL AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
OKAY, WELL, THEN YOU'VE GOT FOUR OF US THAT WISH FOR IT TO BE ADDED ON TO THE AGENDA.
AND INCLUDING THE CONVERSATIONS FROM RON AND RENA THAT IT WOULD BE WORTHY OF PUTTING IT ON.
SO MY LAST ITEM FOR THIS RIGHT NOW IS JUST AS A COMMENT.
AND I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH CELL PHONE TOWERS OR UTILITIES IN GENERAL, THEY COME THROUGH HERE, THEY DON'T TALK TO OUR RESIDENTS, THEY JUST BUST THINGS UP AND THEY DON'T DO THINGS RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO ASK FOR SUPPORT FOR MAKING SOME LEGISLATION THAT REQUIRES WHEN AT&T OR COMCAST OR WHICHEVER CABLE OR UTILITY COMES THROUGH TO HAVE A BETTER PROCESS WITH THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS WHO THEY ARE DESTROYING PROPERTY AND COME BACK AT A MORE REASONABLE TIME TO FIX THEIR ITEMS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD SOME GOOD RELATIONSHIPS, THEY'VE DEVELOPED SOME GOOD RELATIONSHIPS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THEY'VE WORKED ON A BETTER PROCESS.
SO WHILE THE UTILITIES HAVE THIS UNFETTERED POWER THAT THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN BY THE STATE, THEY KNOW THAT WHEN THEY'RE COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK TO OUR CITY, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK TO OUR BUILDING AND OUR CODE AND OUR STAFF AND SAY, WE'RE COMING THROUGH.
SO JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAFF DURING THIS TIME FOR THAT.
SO I HAVE COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, AND THEN I HAVE COMMISSIONER DANIEL OR COMMISSIONER DARCY.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO YOU KIND OF COVERED I GUESS A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT.
YOU DID MENTION IN YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT INSURANCES.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ROOFS. AND SO I KIND OF WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WITH RESPECT TO REDEVELOPMENT, AND I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE FLOOR CURRENTLY OR KIND OF WHAT'S TALLAHASSEE'S POSITION REGARDING REDEVELOPMENT ISSUES RELATING TO SLUM AND BLIGHT? THAT WHOLE PIECE, I FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WHILE I WAS CAMPAIGNING, I KIND OF WANT TO TALK TO TALK ABOUT THOSE DIRECTLY AND JUST SEE, I MEAN, PERHAPS THEY'RE ENCUMBERED IN SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY LISTED, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THEY'RE NOT, I KIND OF WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH AND FIGURE OUT WHERE WE LAND WITH THAT.
I KNOW THAT BROWARD COUNTY, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD RUMBLINGS THAT REALLY CONCISELY.
SURE. WHERE WHILE I DID LOOK AT THE COUNTY'S LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND THEY HAVE SEVERAL THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY STAND ON THAT ISSUE.
AND SO I'M CURIOUS RELEVANT TO OUR PLAZAS.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DILAPIDATED OLD BUILDINGS.
SO IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT I DON'T THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS FOR BLIGHTED AREAS, I THINK.
I THINK YOU KNOW, FAR MORE ABOUT CHRIS AND WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAN I DO.
BUT I WILL LOOK INTO THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.
I DON'T I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ON ON ANY CHANGES TO THE CURRENT CRA STATUTES THAT WOULD EXPLAIN EXPAND ON EFFORTS TO DEAL WITH SLUM AND BLIGHTED COMMUNITIES.
BUT IF THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC THINGS YOU WANT US TO PURSUE, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
THANK YOU. ADDITIONALLY, I WANTED TO KIND OF WE KIND OF I BELIEVE WE TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF THE, OF THE AGENDA. BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PARK THERE.
WE HAVE A SLEW OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFICALLY SMALL BUSINESS INITIATIVES, BE IT THROUGH STARTUP FUNDING, INCUBATOR PROGRAMS, BUT RELEVANT TO MINORITY BUSINESSES AND JUST SOME ACCESS SO THAT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN OUR CITY.
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AND SO I KNOW WE DO HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF SPECIFICALLY INTERESTINGLY, I WAS SURPRISED TO LEARN IN MY DISTRICT.MAXINE. IT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT INITIATIVE OF MINE.
I KNOW THAT THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, THEY DO HAVE PROGRAMS FOR.
AND IN THE PAST, THEY HAD A LOAN PROGRAM.
POSSIBLY WHEN YOU COME TO TALLAHASSEE, WE COULD PUT YOU WITH THEIR DEPARTMENT DIVISION HEAD.
BUT I KNOW THAT THE STATE STATE IS POSITIVELY FOCUSED ON, ON DOING THAT.
AND I IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE ARE PROGRAMS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AS WELL.
OKAY. MEETING WITH DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
I JUST BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I MENTIONED THAT YOU FEEL OR PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THINK WE SHOULD YOU KNOW, ADD AND OR AMEND AND OR PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, DO A RESOLUTION FOR.
I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR CONSENSUS.
I'LL KIND OF KIND OF LEAN INTO YOUR GUIDANCE ON THAT.
AND SO, YEAH, I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, I THINK THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO STRENGTHEN THE, THE BILL THAT THEY HAD PASSED ON HOA AND RESERVES AND CONDOS REGARDING PENALTIES FOR NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS.
I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MYRIAD OF VOICES CONVEYING TO THEM THE ISSUES WITH ALL OF THE REGULATION AND THE COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM FOR RESIDENTS.
AND SO I AM CURIOUS MYSELF TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND IN THE PROCESS AT AT ON EVERY BILL THERE IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING LEGISLATION NOW.
SO THAT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE LOOKED AT THIS SESSION.
SO I KIND OF FEEL LIKE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE PERHAPS I NEED CONSENSUS ON THIS ONE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT I COULD, IF I WOULD SPEAK FOR ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, THAT EVERYONE HAS THIS ISSUE.
AND I, I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY I'M GETTING EYES.
NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SAID INSURANCE AND RESERVES WHEN I WAS SAYING THE COMMENTS EARLIER TO INCLUDE IT IN INSURANCE AND RESERVES, BECAUSE IT IS ALL PART OF IT FOR THE HOES AND AND THE PENALTIES THAT ARE NOT YET IN THERE THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO WHETHER IT'S TWO SEPARATE ITEMS OR, OR IN ONE, IT'S PERSONALLY I HAVE I'M FINE WITH IT BECAUSE I THINK IT IS ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE WITHOUT ALL THESE ISSUES, THOSE HOA FEES AND CO FEES WOULD NOT BE GOING UP MORE FOR THE KOA THAN THE HOA, BUT HOA STILL DO HAVE SOME OF THE ISSUES FROM IT. SO.
WELL, I KIND OF AND I KIND OF THINK THEY'RE DIFFERENT ONLY BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE ARE GOING TO TAKE WHATEVER PAPER RESOLUTION POSITION ON INSURANCE, I THINK IF I UNDERSTOOD RON CORRECTLY, HE STATED THAT THERE'S NOT MUCH ACTION THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE, NOR WILL WE HAVE MUCH IMPACT.
AND I WOULD ASK RON IF YOU WOULD.
RON, JUST COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE WITH REGARD TO MY QUESTION AND THE POSITION THAT YOU THINK WE WE WOULD BE MOST SUCCESSFUL IN TAKING IF IF IN FACT, WE SHOULD TAKE ONE? YOU'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ON THE ON THE SIDE OF SMALL BUSINESS LOAN OPPORTUNITIES? OR ARE YOU TALKING MORE ON THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT STUFF RELATED TO HOMEOWNERS AND CONDO OWNER ASSOCIATIONS? IS THAT THE PICTURE? THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT MORE ON FRIDAY? YES. LOOK. THERE'S GOING TO BE A BILL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH RELIEF THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE.
I THINK THAT FOLKS HAVE AWAKENED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER THE HORNS OF THE DILEMMA
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THEY ALL FIND THEMSELVES ON.YOU'VE GOT THE SERIOUSNESS OF OF OF WHAT HAPPENED IN SURFSIDE.
YOU HAVE THE SERIOUSNESS OF WHAT HAS RESULTED IN MANY BUILDINGS AROUND THE STATE GETTING RED TAGGED.
HAVING NOT MET THEIR 40 YEAR, HAVING NOT HAD ADEQUATE RESERVES AND THE LIKE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU'VE GOT THAT OTHER PIECE OF THE EQUATION WHICH RELATES TO ABUSIVE HOMEOWNERS AND CONDO OWNER ASSOCIATION BOARDS. AND IF, IF YOU WILL, THIEVERY, CRIMINALITY AND THE LIKE.
I THINK THAT TO BELIEVE THAT THE LEGISLATURE WITHOUT HAVING HAD A BROADER STUDY, IS GOING TO DO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALL THINK NEED TO GET DONE, OTHER THAN MAYBE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO BUY MORE TIME ON THE ASSESSMENTS, WORRIED THAT IN THE END, IF THERE'S A BUILDING COLLAPSE OR THERE ARE THINGS THAT AREN'T GETTING DONE AS A RESULT OF UNDERFUNDED RESERVES THEY'RE GOING TO END UP IN HOT WATER IN THEIR DISTRICTS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT ENDS UP.
AND AND AND LOOK, I'VE GOT A AT A VERY DEAR FRIEND THAT OWNS ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF CONDO UNITS BUILDINGS, PROBABLY 45 OR 50 YEARS OLD.
STILL GOT TO MAKE THE MAINTENANCE PAYMENTS.
STILL GOT TO MAKE THE INSURANCE PAYMENTS.
STILL GOT TO MAKE THE TAX PAYMENTS.
AND IF THEY DON'T GET SOME RELIEF FROM THE RESERVE ISSUE, THAT UNIT MAY ULTIMATELY END UP BEING SOLD AS A TAX CERTIFICATE.
BECAUSE. IN THE END, THEY CAN'T ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS.
THEY GOTTA MAKE. AND CAN'T RENT.
CAN'T SELL. AND I DON'T KNOW THOSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE.
WE'VE CERTAINLY SAT THROUGH PLENTY OF HEARINGS ON THE ISSUE BETWEEN THIS ISSUE AND AND THE PNC ISSUE. AND I DON'T THINK THERE ARE TWO MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT THE LEGISLATURE NEEDS TO DEAL WITH.
THAT MAY NOT HAVE HELPED ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT I MAYBE YOU HEAR THE FRUSTRATION.
MAYBE YOU HEAR THE FRUSTRATION IN MY IN MY THOUGHTS AS WELL.
AND THERE IF TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, WE DO A MOTION, WE'LL DO A CONSENSUS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CLEAR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEPARATE THE PNC, SEPARATE THE RESERVES, AND DEALING WITH HOAS AND MORE SUPPORT OF LEGISLATIVE CHANGE TO ASSIST, WHICHEVER WAY YOU POLISH IT UP NICELY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING? YES.
OKAY. MAYOR, I'VE GOT TO JUMP.
IF THERE'S A LAST QUESTION SOMEBODY GOT.
IT'S GOING TO BE THERE. BUT I'M LATE ON A ZOOM.
BUT DON'T FORGET YOUR PROMISE THAT I COULD MEET THE GOVERNOR.
SO THEN COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER BOLTON, DO YOU HAVE A PRESSING ITEM FOR VARUN? NO, ATTORNEY I DON'T.
BUT COMMISSIONER PATTERSON WAS STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF HER CONVERSATION, SO.
YEAH, BUT IT'S FINE IF HE HAS SOMETHING.
HE SOUNDS LIKE HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING PRESSING FOR FOR RON.
I WAS GOING TO LET RON GO IF YOU HAVE NOTHING PRESSING FOR HIM.
YEAH. SO, ATTORNEY BROOKE, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR MEETING WITH US THIS MORNING.
I WILL DIRECT SOME QUESTIONS TO RANA IN YOUR ABSENCE, AND HOPEFULLY SHE CAN RELAY SOME TO YOU.
WELL, HER FUTURE DEPENDS ON HER ANSWERING THEM CORRECTLY.
COMMISSIONER. AND TO VICE MAYOR, YOU KNOW THE DEAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S CHANGED.
AND YOU CAN TELL VICE MAYOR DANIEL SHE CAN MEET ME AS GOVERNOR IN 2040.
HOW'S THAT? SOME OF US ARE MOVING OUT OF STATE.
GOOD LUCK. WE'LL SEE YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR A FEW WEEKS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
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ALL RIGHT. BYE, GUYS. ALRIGHT.WE ARE. WE ARE BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR.
SO ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT ONE IS GLASSES.
SO I GUESS THERE IS SOMETHING THERE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING RELATIVE TO SENIOR AND ELDER CARE OR MAYBE ELDER CARE.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOMETHING HERE THAT WOULD SUPPORT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, KIND OF JUST TYING INTO WHAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S RELEVANT TO ASSESSMENTS THAT THEY'RE ENCOUNTERING, PROPERTY INSURANCES, WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW, RONNIE, IF YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING THERE.
AND THEN THEY SELECT LOCATIONS FOR GRANTS FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.
FROM THAT THAT IS REALLY HOW THAT'S DIRECTED AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR THOSE SPECIFIC TAX CREDITS.
ET CETERA. NOW, DOES THERE NEED TO BE AN ITEM OR A BILL ON THE FLOOR FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, BE IN SUPPORT OF A OR HAVE A POSITION ON A PARTICULAR ITEM? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ADDRESSING THAT YET.
I IF YOU DECIDE TO ADD TO YOUR LEGISLATIVE ISSUES PACKAGE TO SUPPORT SPECIFIC AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR ELDERLY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
CAN I JUMP IN ON ONE ITEM? SURE. SO ALSO, IF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE.
I HEAR YOU'VE GOT A BILL ON THE FLOOR.
WE WEREN'T AWARE OF IT AT THE TIME WE DID OUR LEGISLATIVE ITEM.
SO THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU SAYING, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
YOU STILL CAN ADVOCATE FOR THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT AWARE YET AS IT BEING A UNIVERSAL THING FOR THE COMMISSION, YOU AS A COMMISSIONER WHO ARE ADVOCATING ON BEHALF OF YOUR CONSTITUENCY, ARE ABLE TO SAY THAT AS WELL.
SO SO SO SO WHILE I MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, I WON'T BELABOR THE ISSUE.
AND MAYBE I WON'T I WON'T GO DOWN THE PATH OF ASKING FOR IT TO BE ADDED AS AN AGENDA OR AS AN ITEM.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, YOU KNOW, WHILE THIS MAY COME TO BITE ME LATER, I DON'T I'M NOT BIG ON A WHOLE LOT OF SPECIFICITY GENERALLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT COMES TO CREATE CHALLENGE LATER.
BUT I THINK THAT GIVEN OUR DEMOGRAPHIC, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC LANGUAGE SO THAT MAYBE YOU LEAVE AND RETIRE TOMORROW FOR WHOEVER COMES NEXT. UNDERSTANDS THAT TAMARAC IS A HIGHLY POPULATED SENIOR COMMUNITY, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME SPECIFICALLY TO ADVOCATE ON THE BEHALF OF THE SENIORS.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS YOUTH.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE PUBLIC EDUCATION HERE, BUT THIS HAS THIS DOESN'T TALK TO ME ABOUT THINGS AROUND YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHILE IT ADDRESSES EDUCATION, I FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T ADDRESS CULTURE, RECREATION, MENTAL HEALTH.
YOU KNOW, AFTER SCHOOL SERVICES, PROGRAMS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE FOR OUR STUDENTS.
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SPECIFIC TO THE THINGS THAT I LISTED.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER.
MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M HESITANT TO SOMETIMES ADD THINGS TO THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA IS BECAUSE YOU RUN A KNOW VERY WELL THAT THERE ARE STATE AGENCIES AND DEPARTMENTS THAT OUR CITY CAN GET RESOURCES FROM.
FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF OUR LAST TRIPS TO TALLAHASSEE, ONE OF OUR RECENT TRIPS TO TALLAHASSEE WE MET, I THINK, WITH ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT DEALT WITH SMALL BUSINESSES AND GRANTS AND LOANS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
SO INSTEAD OF, LIKE, ADDING LANGUAGE LIKE THAT TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, WE CAN CERTAINLY JUST GO TO THE DEPARTMENT THEMSELVES AND ASK THEM FOR RESOURCES.
AND I BELIEVE I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE.
RIGHT. AND SO YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S AND THEN INCUMBENT UPON US THEN TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN COME DOWN, TALK TO SMALL BUSINESSES AND SO FORTH.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR A WHILE.
RANA. AND SO WE'RE THE FACADE PROGRAM IS IS CONCERNED I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY GIVEN, I THINK, OVER $250,000 TO SOME PLAZAS TO FIX THEIR FACADE.
AND WE HAVE THAT PROGRAM GOING.
SO WHILE COMMISSIONER PATTERSON IS COMING UP WITH SOME GREAT POINTS, YOU KNOW, THERE I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE ARE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE, AND THERE ARE ALREADY SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THESE SMALL BUSINESSES AND SO FORTH.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO BUT ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT SHE BROUGHT UP THAT ARE VERY CUTE AND ON IS THE TOPIC OF CRAS.
I KNOW THAT THAT IS PROBABLY UNDER THE COUNTY'S PURVIEW.
IF WE WERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE STATE, YOU KNOW, STEPPING IN TO TALK TO COUNTIES TO SAY YOU CANNOT PREEMPT CRAS FROM OR CITIES FROM ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL CRAS.
WOULD THAT BE GOING AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF HOME RULE, OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK FOR TO ASK FOR THE CREATION OF ADDITIONAL CRAS? YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNTY.
SO IF IF THE STATE COULD PREEMPT COUNTIES FROM NOT PREEMPTING CITIES FROM CREATING MORE CRAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, GOES AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF HOME RULE, BUT, YOU KNOW, CITIES WANT TO HAVE CRAS, RIGHT? THERE ARE BLIGHTED AREAS IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? WE KNOW THEM. RIGHT.
AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO NOW THAT THE LEGISLATURE WAS FOCUSED ON SUNSETTING ALL CRAS EVENTUALLY AND SUNSETTING THE ABILITY TO CREATE NEW ONES.
THAT HAS QUIETED DOWN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, I THINK, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, COVID AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE AND HURRICANES THAT AFFECT FLORIDA, THINGS THAT HAVE REALLY TAKEN THE FOCUS OFF OF THAT. I THINK THE STATE CAN ABSOLUTELY CREATE OR PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
I THINK, THOUGH, THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CURRENT CRAS THAT YOU HAVE ARE FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WORKING THROUGH THOSE.
IS IT NECESSARY TO CREATE A NEW ONE? I THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN EXTREMELY STRONG CASE ON THAT.
SO I THINK, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT OCCURRED TO ME AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BLIGHTED AREAS, I THINK, IRONICALLY, THERE MIGHT BE A LINK BETWEEN WHAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH LIVE LOCAL AND DEVELOPING A BLIGHTED AREA IN THAT REGARD.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE MARRIED AND EVEN WITH THE AND EVEN WITH THE BLIGHTED AREAS.
RIGHT. WE HAVE MISS WILLIAMS, WHO IS, YOU KNOW, JUST A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL.
YOU KNOW, SHE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD ON ON GRANTS, FOR INSTANCE, FOR SHAKER VILLAGE.
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WE HAD, I THINK, THAT $1.5 MILLION GRANT.AND SO MAYBE IF THERE ARE SOME BLIGHTED AREAS, THEN COMMISSIONER PATTERSON MRS WILLIAMS, WHO WORKED SO VERY HARD ON THE GRANTS FOR SHAKER VILLAGE, COULD LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER BLIGHTED AREAS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT GRANT DOLLARS COME TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
WE KNOW ALREADY THAT SHE HAS THE, THE, THE WHERE WITH TO DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A SIT DOWN WITH HER AND THE MANAGER IS IS FORTHCOMING.
WHATEVER THE REASON WAS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WAS NOT AROUND AT THE TIME ON THE COMMISSION.
WOULD IT BE NICE IF IT WAS NOT SUNSETTED BY THE COUNTY THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING? IT'S NOT IN THEIR PURVIEW RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE LOCALLY THAT I'M ON FOR FOR THE COUNTY.
BUT APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND BEING HERE AND SPENDING THE MORNING WITH US.
I AM GOING RIGHT TO THE OFFICE FROM HERE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THEN GRAB SOME MONEY.
DRIVE SAFELY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER FOR A RECESSION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH ONE MORE BEFORE BREAK.
YES. IT'S ART. PEOPLE GET PREPARED.
[1.c Discussion and consensus on the selection of Inspiration Way 2025 Sculptures and Water Tank Murals, and Request for the artist budget increase on Fire Station #15 — Presented by George Gadson / Maher Mansour ]
SO IT IS ONE. SEE DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS ON THE SELECTION OF INSPIRATION WAY 2025 SCULPTURES, WATER TANK MURALS AND A REQUEST FOR THE ARTISTS BUDGET INCREASE.ON SCULPTURE ON FIRE STATION 15.
DO I HAVE MY TITLE RIGHT? ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. DIRECTOR.
SORRY. YOU KNOW I HATE TITLES.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YEAH, IT'S VERY LONG.
GEORGE GADSDEN WITH GADSDEN RABBITS AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER, BETH ROBERTS.
FOR THE RECORD, WITH US ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
WE'RE PLEASED TO COME BACK TO YOU.
FROM THIS IS A FOLLOW UP FROM OUR LAST, COMMISSION WORKSHOP AND I.
SAT DOWN AND WATCHED THE ACTUAL RECORDING OF THE LAST WORKSHOP, JUST TO A COUPLE OF TIMES, JUST TO BE CERTAIN THAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU YOUR WHAT APPEARED, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TO BE PRETTY MUCH A AN AGREEMENT OR A CONSENSUS. SO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU TODAY OR FROM WHAT WE INTERPRET TO BE THOSE THAT YOU WOULD BE INCLINED TO HAVE MOVED FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO ENGAGE THE ARTISTS AND GET INSPIRATION WHERE THEY POPULATED WITH NEW ART.
BY THE END OF BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.
I RECALL THERE WERE TWO SCULPTURES PRESENTED BY DAVID HAYES, ONE OF WHICH WAS NOT ACCEPTED.
SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THERE WAS NEITHER A YAY NOR A NAME FOR IT.
ROBIN MORGAN WAS PRETTY MUCH A NO ONE DISAGREED WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
THE THE READER THERE WAS ONE CONCERN AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD COMMUNICATE OR REPRESENT, BUT THE MAJORITY WOULD WERE IN FAVOR WITH IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WHICH MEETING DID YOU THE THE THE WORKSHOP FOR THE THE NINTH? YES, MA'AM. THIS PARTICULAR ONE ALSO WAS OVERALL NOT
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OBJECTIVE. THERE WAS MAYBE ONE COMMENT THAT WAS MAYBE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT AGAIN, REALLY TRY TO ASCERTAIN FROM THE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THE DISCUSSIONS WERE RATHER ROBUST.WITH THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION PREVIOUSLY GIVEN TO YOU, THERE WERE NO COMMENTS, YAY OR NAY FOR MR. COONS? NONE FOR MR. FERNANDEZ.
MR. FERNANDEZ DID HAVE A HAND THAT WAS PRESENTED.
THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST HAD THREE ACTUALLY SCULPTURES.
ONE OF THE THREE WAS REMOVED BECAUSE THE SIZE WAS FIVE FEET, WHICH WOULD NOT ACCOMMODATE THE BASE OF THE PADS OF EIGHT FEET BY BY TEN FEET.
SAME FOR THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST.
THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST THERE WERE.
THEY THEY HAVE BEEN BUT THE PRESENTATION HAD ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED BEFOREHAND, AND WE FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS NOT AVAILABLE NOW.
THAT'S CORRECT. BOTH OF THEM ARE CLOSED.
YES, SIR. THERE WERE THERE WERE TWO.
ASTERISK. AND THEN THE ALSO OSCILLATE.
AND THE LAST ONE MELINDA HOFFMAN.
OKAY. WE CAN SHALL WE CONTINUE OR SHALL WE HAVE DISCUSSION? WE CAN CONTINUE. OKAY.
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT. SHALL WE CONTINUE BECAUSE COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS LEAVING THE ROOM? VERSUS. OH, NO, MA'AM.
THEN WE FINISH OUR DISCUSSION.
POSSIBLY. SO WE HAVE HOW MANY PADS ARE TRYING TO FILL.
I'M SORRY. HOW MANY PADS ARE WE TRYING TO FILL? 11. 11.
BUT ANYWAY WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THIS? I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE.
YES OR NO? I'LL TALLY THEM UP AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL JUST BE A LOT EASIER.
WHAT DO YOU WANT? JUST GIVE ME ALL OF YOUR LIST.
WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM. YES OR NO? EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE WOOD ONE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
OKAY. I'M SORRY I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
VICE MAYOR SAYS BASICS NUMBER 21, PAGE 21.
BUT IT SAYS. I THOUGHT THE NAME WAS BASICS.
NUMBER 21 I DON'T KNOW IT'S MATHIAS NEWMAN.
IT'S ON PAGE NINE OF THE ACTUAL THIS PAGE 2018 OF YOUR SLIDES.
YEAH. THIS ONE. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT. SO SHE'S OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. EXCEPT THIS ONE, BUT I'M OKAY.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, THANK YOU.
I AGREE, I'M WITH DOCTOR DANIEL.
COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. COMMISSIONER DANIEL MRS, JOHNNY FLOWER.
YES. YEAH. AND WHICH WHICH SIDE? WHICH PAGE, SIR.
ELEMENT OR THE BUDDHA OR BOTH? THAT'S WHY I'M A BIG FAN OF THE FLOWERS OF A DIFFERENT COLOR.
THESE WERE YOU WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF THOSE, OR YOU WERE I'M NOT.
OKAY. AND AS AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID AS WELL.
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OTHER THAN THAT, I'M GOOD WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT I'M SORRY.OKAY. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
I'M NOT A FAN OF JONI'S WORK OR JONI'S WORK AT ALL.
PERSONALLY, I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH MESSIAS, BUT THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE I LOVE THE HEARTS.
BUTTERFLIES. I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE SIZE OF IT.
DOES THAT PODIUM COME WITH IT? THE DOES THE BASE COME WITH? IS THAT COMING WITH IT THAT SHOULD COME WITH.
YES. YES. IS IT JUST AS PRETTY AS IT MIGHT BE FOR ME? THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE AT A PLACE WHERE YOU SIT DOWN AND SEE IT TO TO APPRECIATE IT AS YOU'RE DRIVING.
WELL, I THINK THE ROAD'S SUPPOSED TO BE 40MPH THERE.
RIGHT, DEPUTIES? SERGEANT. I THINK PEOPLE GO SPEEDING ON PINE ISLAND OR NOB HILL JUST A LITTLE BIT.
SAME THING WITH MY CONCERN WITH THE READER WAS MY CONCERN WITH THE READER.
I. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO HAVE TWO OF THE SAME ARTISTS.
SO FOR 11 AND 12, IF THAT HAS TO BE A PICK, I PREFER THE WINTER BLOOM.
I HAPPEN TO LIKE THE VIBRANCY OF THE BLUE.
11. I PREFER 11 IF WE IF WE HAVE TO SELECT ONE OF THE TWO.
PERSONALLY, I WOULD SELECT 11 BECAUSE OF I PREFER THE VIBRANCY ONLY ELIMINATING TWO BECAUSE.
RIGHT. WELL I WANT TO RECOUNT BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO RECOUNT.
TEN. SO ACTUALLY REMOVING ANY ONES THAT WERE NOT LIKE NOT INCLUDING THE ONES THAT I MADE MY COMMENTS WE HAVE DOWN TO TEN. SO WE NOW HAVE TO ADD WE HAVE TO ADD WE HAVE 11 PARTS AVAILABLE.
I'M SAYING IF WE'RE ADDING ABOUT ONE, I KNOW THERE WAS AN ARTIST BOTH OF YOU DIDN'T LIKE.
THE FLOWERS. SO THE FLOUR? YES. WHICH FLOUR? THERE'S TWO IN THE BOTTOM ONE.
BRING IT UP ON YOUR SCREEN BECAUSE YOUR SCREEN IS BETTER GRAPHICS.
CAN YOU SHOW THE OTHER ONE? THE ELEMENT.
YOU LIKE THAT ONE OR DON'T LIKE THAT ONE? IT'S RIGHT ON THE SCREEN.
AND GO TO THE FLOUR. I THINK THE FLOUR HAS MORE CHARACTER.
YEAH. YEAH, IT HAS MORE CHARACTER.
YOU WERE IS IS IS IT POSSIBLE TO PAINT A DIFFERENT COLOR? THAT'S FINE. JUST JUST GO TO SHOW.
SHOW THE FLOUR. NEXT. NEXT SLIDE.
YEAH I THINK THAT HAS A LOT OF CHARACTER.
OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO PUTTING THE FLOUR BACK.
YES WE HAVE ANOTHER I THINK ARTISTIC MIGHT JUST AN OPINION FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
MAYBE HAVE ON PINE ISLAND WHERE WE HAVE THE VACANT LOT.
HAVE THE BLOOMS. ANCHOR LIKE ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER.
IT APPEARS THAT IT'S TALL, LIKE THE BLOOMS ARE TALL.
PUT SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THAT.
MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER TO HAVE A BALANCE.
JUST A THOUGHT. SO I GUESS WE HAVE OUR.
YES, MA'AM. AND SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LEFT FOR THESE TWO.
SO THE TWO, NEWMAN'S AND AN ELEMENT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE NOT ARE OUT.
YEAH. WE, WE, WE HAD TO ADD BACK IN BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE PADS THAN WE HAVE ARTWORK.
RIGHT. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO BE CERTAIN.
YEP, YEP. SO THE OTHERS WILL WORK WITH THESE TWO.
WE WE WON'T WE WON'T INCLUDE THEM.
AND OF COURSE, NICOLE IS IS OUT.
THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER, IF THAT'S OKAY.
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AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE WATER TANK MURALS.AT THE LAST COMMISSION WORKSHOP TO I LOOK THROUGH THE, THE VIDEO AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE CONSENSUS WAS PRETTY MUCH FOCUSING IN ON MR. JORDAN. WILLIAM JORDAN HAVING HIM REVISE HIS DESIGN THAT INCLUDED THE MOTIF OR IMAGE OF A OF A FOOTBALL PLAYER.
AND AT THE SAME TIME HAVE IT DONE IN PORTRAIT AS OPPOSED TO HORIZONTAL IN LANDSCAPE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS WHAT MR. JORDAN IS PRESENTING FOR DOING HIS PORTION OF THE MURAL.
AND THE OTHERS PRETTY MUCH REMAIN THE SAME AS WERE PRESENTED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY.
I WAS A KID. NO, THERE WAS OTHER, LIKE HIS.
YES. I LIKE I LIKE THE CHANGES.
THE CHANGE THAT YOU MADE WITH THE FOOTBALL.
YEAH. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON AGREED.
ACTUALLY, I THINK I'M GOOD WITH ALL ALL OF THE WATER TANK RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A BETTER FLOW WITH THEM.
YEAH. SO I'M GOOD WITH ALL OF THEM.
THE. WHEN THEY GO INTO RECESS.
OKAY. NOT UNLESS YOU TAKE 15 MINUTES ON THIS ITEM.
SO THE TAMARAC FIRE STATION, WE'RE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU.
BACK IN 2023 A CALL TO ARTIST WAS PUBLISHED.
THREE ARTISTS WERE SHORTLISTED.
AND MR. AUSTIN WHITESHELL WAS CONTRACTED TO BEGIN TO TO DO THE WORK ON THE PROJECT.
HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT IN 2023.
THE THIS DISCUSSION IS TO PRESENT A CONTRACT AMENDMENT.
THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT BEING, HE STARTED THE PROJECT IN 2024, ALMOST A YEAR LATER.
WE'RE REQUESTING. AND HE'S REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED AND $38.
THE REASON BEING THE COST OF MATERIAL, THIS PARTICULAR SCULPTURE HE'S DOING AS A FIREMAN IS AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN JUST A MOMENT, IS ACTUALLY WILL BE A BRONZE SCULPTURE THAT WILL GO OUTSIDE OF THE FIRE STATION.
THE REQUESTED REVISED CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF 141,438.
BACK WHEN HE WAS FIRST CONTRACTED SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
AND I CAN'T REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS AS MUCH AS MR. MEJIA, BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT WAS TAKING PLACE REGARDING THE FIRE STATIONS WILL IF THE COUNTY OR THE CITY WOULD HAVE CONTROL OF THE FIRE STATIONS.
ONCE THAT DECISION WAS MADE THEN HE WAS THEN GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO RESUME.
SO AGAIN, AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE OF THE TIME LAPSE THAT TOOK PLACE, THE COST OF MATERIALS, AND I PERSONALLY AS A SCULPTOR, I WORK IN BRONZE. AND THE PRICE OF METAL IS ONE THING THAT THAT'S DIFFICULT TO CONTROL.
SO IN PART, THAT IS ONE REASON FOR HIS REQUESTING THE ADDITIONAL COST FOR OR FOR HIS CONTRACT.
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BE IT KNOWN THAT THIS IS A CLAY MODEL, HE HAS COMPLETED THE SCULPTURE AND IT IS BEING BRONZED AS WE SPEAK. AND UPON YOUR CONSENT AND APPROVAL THE SCHEDULE IS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE INSTALLATION DONE IN FEBRUARY. AND JUST AS A THE THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE COMING IN ON JANUARY 22ND TO THE CITY COMMISSION.QUESTION. WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE OF THE SCULPTURE? THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT BRONZE SCULPTURES OR THE ROLLS ROYCE OF SCULPTURES TO GO IN ANY ENVIRONMENT.
AS YOU WELL KNOW DOCUMENTED SCULPTURES FROM BENIN, YOU KNOW, AFRICA, THOUSANDS OF YEARS ARE INTACT. NOW, THERE ARE, AS WE'VE TALKED BEFORE THERE IS A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT IS BEING IMPLEMENTED SO THAT THE WORK THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COLLECTION HERE AT THE CITY, THE SCULPTURES, OF COURSE, BRONZE BEING PART OF THEM WILL BE A PART OF THAT ONGOING MAINTENANCE TO, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF ANY DEBRIS OR ANY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE YOU'VE SEEN SCULPTURES THAT TURN GREEN, ETC..
SO THE METAL WILL BE AROUND WHEN WE'RE NO LONGER AROUND.
YES, MA'AM. THAT'S THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
AGREEMENT THAT THE COST IS IS THAT HE'S ASKING FOR IS REASONABLE.
I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THE ADDITIONAL COST THAT HE'S ASKING FOR OR PRICE.
HE'S ASKING VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING THAT BECAUSE PERSONALLY, I'VE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE TAKE PLACE WITH THE COST OF MATERIALS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME INCREASING, WHICH HE HAD NO CONTROL OVER.
AND I KNOW THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING CITY HALL AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION OF OUR LAST MEETING AND I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO COME UP AGAIN IF FOR SOME REASON THE FIRE STATION IS MOVED OR SOMETHING.
WOULD THE SCULPTURE BE ABLE TO BE MOVED WITH THE FIRE STATION OR.
OKAY, IF THE PROJECT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND WE HAVE TO MOVE IT, WE CAN.
OH, ABSOLUTELY. ALL SCULPTURES.
LET'S SAY, HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU WERE BUILDING A NEW FIRE STATION.
AND YOU FELT APPROPRIATE THAT RELOCATING IT TO THE NEW FIRE STATION WOULD BE IN ORDER? IT WOULD BE. IT'S INSTALLED IN A MANNER THAT IT CAN BE REMOVED AND PLACED IN ANOTHER LOCATION.
THANK YOU. YEAH. WELL, IT HAS BEEN PERMITTED FOR FOR THAT SAID PURPOSE.
IN TERMS OF THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT, ALL THE ALL THE DRAWINGS.
I MEAN, HE WOULD NOT BE AT THIS STAGE IF INDEED HE HAD NOT PASSED ANY CODES THAT WERE NECESSARY.
IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT IT CAN BE MOVED.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
AND WE HAVE THE MAINTENANCE, WE HAVE IT IN OUR MAINTENANCE PLAN AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. I'M EXCITED TO SEE IT FINALLY BE INSTALLED AND LOOK FORWARD TO WHATEVER CEREMONY WE'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THE CITY, ACTUALLY.
THAT IS THAT. JANUARY 20TH 5TH OF FEBRUARY 25TH.
IT'S MORE OF A GIFT FROM COLORADO, RIGHT? YES. 25TH.
HE'S HE'S OUT. HE'S HE'S OUT WEST.
THE THE ARTIST IS FROM COLORADO.
FROM COLORADO. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
WELL, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR COLORADO TO GET FROM COLORADO TO TAMARAC FOR HIM TO FLY? ARE YOU SAYING OR THE SCULPTURE? OH, WELL, IF I IF I UNDERSTAND.
MOST LIKELY THIS WILL BE CRATED AND AND ACTUALLY SHIPPED HERE.
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FROM FROM THERE. YEAH.NO, SIR. THANKS FOR TRYING, I APPRECIATE THAT.
BECAUSE IF THE ARTIST CAN'T MAKE IT, AT LEAST THE SCULPTURE WOULD BE EXPEDITED.
YES. AND I ADVISED HIM THAT THIS WOULD COME BEFORE YOU.
AND HE INDICATED, YOU KNOW, ONCE I GET THE APPROVAL, WE GET THE APPROVAL.
THEN HE CAN PRETTY MUCH ASSURE THAT BY FEBRUARY, MAYBE THE END OF FEBRUARY IT WILL BE INSTALLED.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT.
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY.
WE'RE AT 36. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, WHEN IT COMES IN, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CELEBRATION AND WE'LL DO IT AT 15.
AND SO WE HAVE OUR OWN LITTLE CELEBRATION.
I'LL PRINT SOME FLIERS FOR SOME DOOR HANGERS.
YES, SIR. NO DOOR HANGERS. JUST FLIERS.
ANYWAY I'M CURIOUS, IS IT'S A CLAY MODEL THAT THAT'S AS BRONZED OR IS IT A BRONZE AFTER THE CLAY.
THE CLAY MODEL IS THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE MOLDS MADE OF THIS CLAY SCULPTURE.
SO IMAGINE MOST LIKELY YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 15 TO 20 DIFFERENT MOLDS MADE SO HIS ARMS WILL BE CUT.
I MEAN, THERE WILL BE CUTS OF THIS, THIS SCULPTURE AND WAX POURED INSIDE EACH MOLD.
AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOW JEWELRY IS MADE THE LOST WAX PROCESS.
SO ONCE EACH WAX PIECE HAS BEEN CAST, IT WILL BE REASSEMBLED, DIPPED IN A REFRACTORY MATERIAL.
EACH PIECE, AND ULTIMATELY WAX POURED INSIDE EACH MOLD, AND THEN THE SCULPTURE WELDED BACK TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHY I KNOW JANUARY 25TH IS NOT ANY SOLID.
SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PROCESS, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. A SEPARATE NOTE, BUT SIMILAR TO THE AREA.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING. WELL, THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION REGARDING MAKING SURE THERE'S SEATING SO PEOPLE CAN ENJOY COMING TO THE AREA AND THEN THE PAVING PAVER PROCESS, MAYBE BEING ABLE TO SELL PAVERS OR DO SOME KIND OF FUNDRAISING TO ASSIST WITH THE BENEVOLENT FUND OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE OR TRIBUTES TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS. HAS THAT BEEN THOUGHT OF ANY FURTHER FOR THIS, OR IS THAT A FUTURE DISCUSSION? FUTURE DISCUSSION? WELL, WHEN WE HAD THAT EARLIER CONVERSATION, IT WAS THE LOCATION WAS INSIDE THE FIRE STATION, IF YOU REMEMBER.
SO IT'S BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION ON THE MAIN ROADWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF MUSTAFA CAN ASSIST WITH.
WOULD IT BE ANY PLACE FOR SEATING IN THAT WHERE THE NEW LOCATION IS? I DON'T THINK WAS ANTICIPATED, BY THE PEOPLE.
REALLY, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A REFLECTIVE PIECE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ENJOYED, IN MY UNDERSTANDING.
ACTUALLY, TALLAHASSEE, WHEN WE WERE UP TO TALLAHASSEE LAST YEAR AND WE SAW THEIR TRIBUTE IT HAD THE ABILITY TO ETCH NAMES WHETHER IT'S FOR FIREFIGHTERS OR FOR IN SUPPORT OF AND A PLACE TO SIT AND COMMEMORATE.
SURE. SO MAYBE IN THE FUTURE THERE'S ABILITY TO ADD ON JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
YOU JUST TOUCHED ON WHAT I, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY REGARDING THE THE COMMEMORATIVE PIECE.
I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THERE I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW.
IS THAT ME? I FEEL LIKE I HEAR A BUBBLE.
OKAY. I WAS LIKE, AM I AM I CRAZY? YEAH. OKAY.
WHAT WAS I ASKING? COMMEMORATION.
YEAH. I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW IF OH, I'M SO SORRY I COULDN'T MAKE YOUR EVENT.
YOUR HOLIDAY EVENT? MR.. GADSDEN.
IT WAS. IT WAS BUSY. I'M SORRY I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
YES. HOW WAS IT? IF I SAID I'M SO SORRY I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT? YES, MA'AM. YEAH. WELL, I'M SURE IT WAS FABULOUS.
SO, ANYHOW, I WAS WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT AT THE BASE, SOMEHOW WE COULD EITHER.
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I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY CASUALTIES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OVER THE 50 YEARS, BUT IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, ADD THAT EITHER ADD THOSE NAMES AND IN THE EVENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE OR WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CASUALTIES, IF PERHAPS WE COULD MAYBE INSTALL THE NAMES OF OUR CURRENT YOU KNOW, OFFICER OR FIREFIGHTERS AS A PART OF THE INSTALLATION.IF IT'S GOING TO ADD MORE MONEY, THEN MAYBE NOT, BUT JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN I WAS CURIOUS WHERE EXACTLY ON THE PROPERTY WAS IT GOING TO GO? IT'S BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL PLACE, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, IS THE OPTIMAL LOCATION FOR FOR TRAFFIC.
IT'S RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF STATE FIRE STATION 15.
OKAY. IT'S VERY VISIBLE FOR DRIVERS NOW AND FOR CARS.
OKAY. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ALSO, CHIEF CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
I THINK THEY WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF FLAGS YEAH, YEAH, BASICALLY THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT CLASSIC TILES AND WHATNOT, BUT WE WANTED TO GET IT IN RIGHT AWAY ON THE RECORD.
WE WANTED TO GET IT SQUARED AWAY AND THEN EVENTUALLY LOOK TO ADD THAT MEMORIAL ASPECT.
SO DRAG ME ALL THE WAY UP FRONT FOR THAT.
ON THE RECORD. OKAY, SO ON THE RECORD, MIKE AND CHIEF.
WE WANTED TO JUST GET THE JOB DONE AND GET IT PUT IN.
SO THAT'S PART TWO IS JUST PART ONE.
THANK YOU. AND THEN I SUSPECT THAT WE SHOULD BE EXPECTING A BSO STATUE OR A POLICE OFFICER NEXT.
RIGHT. WELL, I THINK LADY GLASSMAN IS GOING AWAY BECAUSE HOPEFULLY THE BSO AND THE BUILDINGS WILL BE PAINTED JUST AS BEAUTIFULLY AS TAMARAC COMMUNITY CENTER IS.
LOOKS PHENOMENAL WITH THE NEW COLORS AND THE FRESH PAINT.
AND SO FORGIVE ME LADY GLASSMAN'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT REFRESHER.
AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT ART WILL BE DONE.
ANYTHING. COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
YEAH. TELL THEM TO WORK ON IT NOW.
JUST IN CASE THE 25TH IS POSSIBLE.
PRETTY SURE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYWAY.
I'LL BE GLAD TO COMMUNICATE THE MESSAGE ANYWAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO IT IS CURRENTLY 1204.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 40, 40 MINUTE BREAK.
WE'LL SAY 1245. I'LL BE BACK HERE.
WE ARE NOW IN RECESS. THANK YOU.
BACK, EVERYBODY, IT IS 1245 AND WE ARE READY TO PROCEED WITH OUR NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS.
[Items 1.d & 1.e]
DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS ON THE APPOINTMENT OF A ELECTED OFFICIAL.THIS IS BEING PRESENTED BY MAXINE CALLOWAY, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
THESE TWO ITEMS WILL TAKE TOGETHER.
THEY WILL APPEAR ON YOUR JANUARY 8TH MEETING ON WEDNESDAY.
IT'S THE APPOINTMENT OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS GOING OVER THE STRATEGIES AS RECOMMENDED BY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED EIGHT STRATEGIES TOTAL FOR NEW STRATEGIES, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER IN MORE DETAIL.
I'LL DO BOTH PRESENTATIONS TOGETHER JUST TO GIVE US SOME BACKGROUND.
YES, PLEASE. JUST FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIRES THAT EVERY GOVERNING BODY THAT'S ELIGIBLE, ALL ELIGIBLE MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE ENTITLEMENT, MEANING THAT WE RECEIVE OVER 350,000 OF SCHIP FUNDS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THAT WE MUST ESTABLISH AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE DID THAT IN 2016.
THAT COMMITTEE MUST COMPRISE OF A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST EIGHT PEOPLE.
NO MORE THAN 11 PEOPLE SHOULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE.
SOMEONE FROM A NON FOR PROFIT OR FOR FOR PROFIT HOUSING PROVIDER.
THE INTENT OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS TO ADVISE AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON MATTERS RELATED TO MONETARY AND NON-MONETARY HOUSING INCENTIVES FOR THE LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN.
AND THAT'S A PLAN THAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC ADOPTS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
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IN FACT, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON OUR NEXT LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN, WHICH WILL COME FORWARD TO YOU SOMETIME LATER ON 2025.THE COMMITTEE ALSO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING EXISTING INCENTIVE STRATEGY RECOMMENDATIONS TO EVALUATE ESTABLISHED POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND ORDINANCES, OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING A LOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND FLORIDA STATUTE PROVIDES THAT DEFINITION, AND IT ESSENTIALLY INCLUDES ANY MONTHLY RENTS OR MONTHLY MORTGAGE PAYMENT, INCLUDING TAXES AND IS AN INSURANCE THAT DOES NOT EXCEED 30% OF THE AMOUNT, WHICH REPRESENT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE MEDIAN ANNUAL INCOME FOR VERY LOW, LOW AND MODERATE INCOME.
AND IN THOSE CHANGES, THAT'S WHEN THE STATE OF FLORIDA REQUIRED THAT.
THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE NOW WAS COMPRISED OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
THIS WAS REALLY DONE TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND CREATING EFFECTIVE POLICIES, AS WELL AS ATTRACT MORE ATTENTION AND EMPHASIS SURROUNDING THE SERIOUSNESS OF HOUSING.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIAL TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE HAPPENED.
IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE AHAC MUST MEET ANNUALLY.
BEFORE THEN, THEY WERE MEETING ANNUALLY, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETINGS ARE TO REVIEW EXISTING STRATEGIES AND DISCUSS OR RECOMMEND NEW ONES, AND THE HOUSE BILL ALSO ESTABLISHED BI ANNUAL REGIONAL WORKSHOPS FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT WILL SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE, SO THAT PERSON MUST ATTEND THOSE REGIONAL WORKSHOPS.
THOSE BIANNUAL REGIONAL WORKSHOP REALLY IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE INFORMATION AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEIR BEST PRACTICES, AND TO ENGAGE THAT LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIAL ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICIES.
THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT SERVED MUST ATTEND THESE MEETINGS, AND FAILURE TO ATTEND THREE CONSECUTIVE WORKSHOPS MAY CAUSE FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TO WITHHOLD SHIP FUNDS FROM THE CITY.
SO I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SERIOUSNESS OF HAVING WHOEVER WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS BOARD.
FORMER COMMISSIONER ALVIN VILLALOBOS WAS THE LAST PERSON THAT SERVED ON THE BOARD.
AND OF COURSE, SINCE HE'S NO LONGER ON THE COMMISSION, ONE OF THE ITEMS THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON WILL BE TO SELECT HIS REPLACEMENT OR AN APPOINTEE TO THE BOARD. IN ADDITION WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING IS THE STRATEGIES AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS TO REVIEW STRATEGIES THAT ARE A PART OF STATE STATUTE AND TO RECOMMEND STRATEGIES TO YOU ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WHICH YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION, THE OPTION OF ACCEPTING ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR JUST SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. SORRY, DEPUTY MANAGER.
DO YOU WANT TO DO THE BOARD POSITION FIRST BEFORE GOING THROUGH THE STRATEGIES? WE CAN WE CAN STOP HERE BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE TWO SLIDES THAT ARE REMAINING JUST GOING THROUGH THE THROUGH THE STRATEGIES.
I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE INCENTIVES AND THE LIKE.
IT COULD BE SELF NOMINATIONS FOR WHO WANTS TO BE THE PERSON ON SUBMITTED FOR THIS BOARD.
PERSONALLY, AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO, I CAN'T AND I WON'T.
I AM THE CHAIR OF THE BROWARD COUNTY AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE, SO I CANNOT SERVE ON BOTH.
SO WHO WOULD I SEE? COMMISSIONER RYAN, I'M GOING TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.
SINCE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS WAS ON THE BOARD, I THINK SHE'LL BE A GREAT FIT FOR THE BOARD.
SHE MENTIONED AFFORDABLE HOUSING EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, AND SHE HAS A WEALTH OF GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE, SO I THINK SHE'LL BE A GREAT FIT FOR THAT BOARD. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, YOU WERE TURNED OVER.
BUT DO YOU FIRST ACCEPT? I DO, OKAY.
THIS IS THE SECOND I DO OF MY LIFE.
NO. THE THIRD. OKAY, WELL, I HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET.
WE'RE NOT UTAH, SO WE'LL JUST CLARIFY THAT ONE JUST A LITTLE BIT.
BUT ALRIGHT, SO 45, DON'T PUT AN AGE ON IT.
WHEN YOU PUT AN AGE ON IT, THAT'S WHEN YOU WIND UP SAYING, I DO.
AND THEN YOU GO, OH BUDDY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID I DON'T.
SO ANYHOW, IS THERE A CONSENSUS OR IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE ON IT?
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I WAS GOING TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, BUT GOING FURTHER COMMISSIONER PATTERSON IS A CRA DIRECTOR, SO THAT GOES HAND IN HAND, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH HER EXPERIENCE.AND SHE'S WORKED WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS AN INVESTIGATOR.
AT THE DEPARTMENT OF PROFESSIONAL REGULATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT COMMISSIONER PATTERSON AS THE NOMINEE.
ALL RIGHT, YOU'VE GOT CONSENSUS.
SO IF YOU WOULD SORRY, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK, IF YOU WOULD, WOULD YOU PLEASE PUT IN FOR WEDNESDAY NIGHT'S MEETING? CONSENSUS TO PUT COMMISSIONER PATTERSON AS OUR SELECTION.
EXCELLENT. NOW, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, THE FLOOR IS BACK TO YOU.
IN THIS PRESENTATION, THE CITY COMMISSION MAY ADOPT OR REJECT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND ONLY THE STRATEGIES THAT ARE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION WILL BE FORWARDED AND BECOME A PART OF THE LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN.
SO ON THIS SLIDE, YOU SEE THE TWO REQUIRED STRATEGIES.
IT'S EXPEDITING PERMIT IS THE FIRST ONE.
IT'S PUBLICIZED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
THE BILLING DEPARTMENT IS AWARE OF THIS STRATEGY.
THERE'S A STAMP I BELIEVE THEY HAVE.
IT'S FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
THEN THE PROJECT IS EXPEDITED.
WE UTILIZE THAT AS WELL FOR A MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM.
WHEN WE'RE SUBMITTING THOSE THINGS TO THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, THOSE ARE EXPEDITED.
THE SECOND REQUIRED STRATEGY STRATEGY IS THE ONGOING REVIEW PROCESS.
THIS IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PROCESS BY WHICH A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS BEFORE ADOPTION POLICIES, PROCEDURES, ORDINANCES, REGULATIONS OR PLAN PROVISIONS THAT INCREASE THE COST OF HOUSING.
WE BRING IT FORWARD TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THE CITY COMMISSION DOES THAT, AS WELL AS A PART OF JUST YOUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH NEW LEGISLATION, TWO OTHER STRATEGIES THAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC HAS ADOPTED, WE HAVE HAD FOR SOME TIME NOW IS THE ALLOWANCE OF FLEXIBLE LOT CONFIGURATION CONFIGURATIONS, INCLUDING ZERO LOT CONFIGURATIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CITY CODE.
IN 2018, WE AMENDED AND WE ALLOW ZERO LOT LINE HOMES IN CERTAIN ZONING DESIGNATION.
AND SO THE STRATEGY ALREADY EXISTS AND WE ARE ABLE TO FURTHER THIS.
AND THE FOURTH ONE, THE SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT NEAR TRANSPORTATION HUBS AND MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO A STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR A WHILE. THE CODE SUPPORTS IT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN.
SO THIS SLIDE IS A 2024 RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES.
THESE ARE ALL NEW THAT ARE COMING FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE ALLOWANCE OF FLEXIBILITY IN DENSITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE CODE OF ORDINANCE ALREADY PROVIDES FOR THAT.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS CAN THIS IS ACHIEVABLE.
THIS TWO WE BELIEVE THE CODE ALREADY PROVIDES FOR.
AND SO WE'RE THINKING IT'S STAFF POSITION.
NUMBER THREE IS THE REDUCTION OF PARKING AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMMISSION GO FORWARD WITH THIS STRATEGY.
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WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME.SO WE DON'T BELIEVE IF THE STRATEGY IS ADOPTED IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FURTHER.
SO WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THE ADOPTION OF THIS STRATEGY.
SO AGAIN THE CITY COMMISSION MAY ADOPT OR REJECT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE REPORT IS SUBMITTED TO THE FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE COMMISSION, AND ONLY THE STRATEGIES ADOPTED TODAY WILL BECOME A PART OF THE LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
VICE MAYOR. QUESTIONS ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE STRATEGIES.
SO FOUR STRATEGIES AND YOU REJECTED TWO OR.
I'M CONFUSED. YEAH. SO THE WE HAVE FOUR STRATEGIES THAT ARE ONGOING.
SO IT'S A TOTAL OF EIGHT STRATEGIES.
THESE FOUR CURRENT INCENTIVE STRATEGIES WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO KEEP THEM.
AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM GOING FORWARD.
AS A PART OF THE COMMITTEE'S MEETING THIS YEAR THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THESE NEW FOUR FOR STRATEGIES.
AND OF THESE NEW FOUR STRATEGIES THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADVANCE ONE AND TWO BUT NOT THREE AND FOUR.
QUESTION HOW, HOW MANY OR HOW HOW MANY NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS THE CITY MAKE AVAILABLE? SO I MEAN, WHEN DID THE HOUSING SHORTAGE HAPPEN SINCE THE HOUSING SHORTAGE? NONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PROJECT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED.
THE FORMER CHEDDAR SITE, I THINK YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING WE HAVE 10% OF THAT.
AMI AND I THINK YOU FURTHER NEGOTIATED AND THIS COMMISSION WAS ABLE TO GET ANOTHER 3 OR 4 UNITS THAT WILL BE AT 80 TO 100% AMI BUT ALL OF THE NEW MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN MARKET RATE.
RIGHT. AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THOSE THAT'S OUT THERE.
THAT'S STILL FOR SOMEBODY MAKING APPROXIMATELY SIX FIGURES AT THE END OF THE DAY.
EVEN AT 10%, IT GOES FROM VERY LOW TO MODERATE.
DID YOU BRING THE CHART THE RENTAL CHART.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE USING THE TERM AFFORDABLE, IT'S REALLY MIDDLE CLASS BECAUSE PEOPLE MIGHT HEAR THAT AND THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WITHOUT JOBS, PEOPLE GETTING SUBSIDIZED. IT'S NOT.
FAMILIES MAKING OVER SIX FIGURES IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS. AND SOME TEACHERS, SOME OF YOUR FIREFIGHTERS OR SOME MUNICIPALITIES HAVE CHOSEN TO CALL IT ATTAINABLE HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO AFFORDABLE, JUST BECAUSE AFFORDABLE MIGHT HAVE THAT NEGATIVE CONNOTATION.
IT'S NOT EVEN THAT. IT'S IT'S JUST FACTS.
IT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S NOT EVEN WHAT WE HAVE.
THE IDEA IN OUR HEAD THAT IS FOR POOR.
NO, IT'S FOR YOUR WORKING CLASS.
IT'S FOR PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM.
YES, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE EMPLOYED BY THIS ORGANIZATION AS WELL.
IT'S NOT FOR PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED ANYWAY.
SO THAT BEING SAID, AND THE CITY HAS ONLY BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN ATTAINING 10% OF ONE DEVELOPMENT SO FAR, WHICH IS PROBABLY ABOUT THREE UNITS IN A CITY OF OVER 70,000.
SO THERE IS A NEED AND WE'RE NOT MEETING THE NEED.
SO ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? OKAY. YEAH. UNITS, BECAUSE IT'S 10% OF 100.
THEY WERE DOING 100 AND SOMETHING.
SO AND IF WE'RE WERE ELIMINATING SOME OF THE RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES.
THAT'S GOING TO EVEN MAKE IT HARDER TO GET MORE RIGHT.
SO IT'S I WOULDN'T SAY ELIMINATING THE THEIR JOB IS TO GIVE YOU RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT.
SO THEY ARE RECOMMENDING TO KEEP THE FOR WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD AND STAFF IS SAYING THAT'S GREAT.
THEY'RE NOW RECOMMENDING FOR NEW ONES IN ADDITION TO THE FOUR WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND SO OF THE FOUR NEW ONES WE'RE SAYING LET'S GO AND ACCEPT TWO AND NOT ACCEPT THE OTHER TWO.
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AND I GET THAT IS CONVENIENT FOR US.BUT IF THE FOUR WE HAD PREVIOUSLY HADN'T GOTTEN US ANYWHERE ELIMINATING THE TWO, ARE WE GOING TO.
AND THESE ARE THE TWO THAT WE'RE SAYING, THE REDUCTION OF PARKING AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT PRESENT SOME PRESENT SOME DIFFICULTIES, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO SETBACK, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SETBACK RESTRICTIONS, WHICH ARE ZERO LOT.
WE ALREADY PROVIDE FOR ZERO LOT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS FIRST FIRST STARTED IN 2018.
BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RENTAL OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF ANYBODY BUILDING CONDOMINIUM ANYMORE.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE, THE ZERO LOT WOULDN'T APPLY.
YEAH. BECAUSE DEVELOPERS, IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE AFFORDABLE, THE THE CONSTRUCTION COST ITSELF HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S ECONOMICALLY AFFORDABLE FOR THEM.
SO BEING ABLE TO CONSTRUCT CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE OR ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND BEING ABLE TO BUILD MORE UNITS BECAUSE NOT HAVING A SETBACK WILL GIVE YOU A GREATER ABILITY TO BUILD MORE UNITS, WHICH IS HOW THEY'RE ABLE NOW TO MAKE THEM AFFORDABLE.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. THANK YOU.
MAYOR. SO, MAXINE, CAN YOU CLARIFY WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES, ARE WE WHAT ARE WE REQUIRED TO PASS? DO WE NEED TO HAVE ALL FOUR? DO WE NEED ONE? WHAT WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF PASSING A STRATEGY? YEAH. SO THIS COMMISSION MAY ADOPT OR REJECT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT YOUR DISCRETION.
FLORIDA STATUTE SAYS YOU MUST HAVE THE EXPEDITED PERMITTING AND THE ONGOING REVIEW PROCESS.
THIS CITY HAS HAD THESE STRATEGIES FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO THESE FOUR STRATEGIES ARE STRATEGIES WE ALREADY POSSESS.
AND THE TWO REQUIRED STRATEGIES WE HAVE HAD FOR YEARS.
OKAY. THESE ARE THE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU CAN REJECT ALL OF THEM.
OKAY. YOU CAN ADOPT ALL OF THEM.
WITH REGARD TO THE FIRST STRATEGY I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE WE ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, INCREASED DENSITY.
YOU KNOW, FROM A STANDPOINT OF AFFORDABILITY.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE INCREASE OUR HOUSING SUPPLY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE LOWER AMIS, THEN WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN ACHIEVING MORE COST EFFICIENCY, YOU KNOW, COST EFFICIENCY FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT NEED IT. ET CETERA.
SO ON. AND THIS IS JUST ESSENTIALLY ALLOWING FOR GREATER DENSITY.
SO WE DO HAVE A BONUS STRUCTURE.
IT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS I'LL TALK ABOUT AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THIS MEETING.
SO THIS PROVISION ALREADY EXISTS AND WE'RE AND WE'D BE ABLE TO FURTHER THIS STRATEGY.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF JUST THOSE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING AND MAY NOT NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PROVIDES FOR, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT. I THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, WHILE WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT YOU KNOW, MIXED USE PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE BENEFIT, HAVE THOSE BENEFITS, YOU YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF BENEFITS.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION, HOPEFULLY WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE MOMENTUM IN THAT REGARD, MAYBE TO KIND OF TOUCH ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A 10% 10% FOR 30%, 40, EVEN 50% AMI RANGE.
I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THAT, YOU KNOW, ALSO OPTIMIZES THE LAND USE.
SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT STRATEGY NUMBER ONE, IN TERMS OF STRATEGY NUMBER TWO BEFORE I SAY WHAT I'M THINKING, CAN YOU PROVIDE CONTEXT TO WHAT CAN YOU, IN LAYMAN'S TERMS EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS?
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SURE. SO AS IT IS NOW SECTION 1034 OF OUR CODE ALLOWS FOR ACCESSORY SESSION ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.IT ALLOWS IT TO BE PERMISSIBLE IN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE CITY HAS FOUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT NOT WITHOUT.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN INFLUX OF APPLICATION.
THERE ARE SIZE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE ALREADY.
THIS IS ALL ALREADY IN THE CODE.
AND SO IF WE SUPPORT IT, IT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE.
I DON'T LIKE THE I'M NOT A FAN OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING BY ALLOWING FOR IT IS YOU'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
RIGHT. THEY ARE ALSO KNOWN AS, I BELIEVE, GRANDFATHER OR GRANDMOTHER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, MOTHER. NO, NO, NOT MOTHER IN LAW.
IT'S ONE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT NOT MOTHER IN LAW OR GRAND GRANNY.
BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THOSE KIND OF IMPACT THE INTEGRITY AND THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CHALLENGE.
AND THEN, BEYOND MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT THE SECOND STRATEGY, I FEEL LIKE IF STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THIS ACCESSORY ITEM, WHICH TO ME THE PARKING ISSUE IS AN ACCESSORY TO NUMBER TWO.
AND IF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A REDUCTION OF PARKING AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THEN IN FACT, I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD APPROVE STRATEGY NUMBER TWO. I DON'T LIKE IT EITHER.
BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IN ORDER TO HAVE ACCESSORY UNITS, YOU NEED MORE PARKING.
THE SECOND RECOMMENDED STRATEGY.
THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS FOR NOW.
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU.
MAXINE. SO, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT DEVELOPMENT WE APPROVED ON COMMERCIAL WITH CHEDDAR'S, ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAD WAS THE ARMY 120 WAS LIKE AT 89 TO LIKE 100 K, WHEREAS 80, 80, 80% OF ARMY WAS BETWEEN LIKE 50 AND 70.
IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT IS THE ARMY NUMBERS? YEAH. SO 120% FOR A HOUSEHOLD OF ONE IS 88,680. 50% FOR A HOUSEHOLD OF ONE IS 36,950 FOR A HOUSEHOLD OF TWO ONE.
FOR 50%. FOR A HOUSEHOLD OF TWO IS 42,200.
DO YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING? NO, I JUST THE NUMBER.
YES. FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BUDGE.
I THINK IT WAS. YEAH. IT DIDN'T WANT TO BUDGE.
AND HE SAID NO, HE DIDN'T WANT TO DO 80 BECAUSE 80 A TEACHER, THE AVERAGE TEACHER MAKES ABOUT 50.
I THINK WE GOT LIKE 2 OR 3 UNITS AT 100%.
YEAH. THAT WAS THE LOWEST HE WANTED TO GO.
WHICH 100% IS WHAT NUMBER? 100% IS IT'S DIFFICULT.
IT'S BETWEEN THE 80 AND 120 ON THIS CHART.
SO FOR A PERSON OF ONE, IT MIGHT BE SOMEWHERE AT 65,000, BUT THE CHART DOESN'T HAVE 100.
SO IT WOULD BE ABOUT 65,000 OR SO FOR A PERSON OF A HOUSEHOLD OF ONE.
A HOUSEHOLD OF TWO 100% MIGHT BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 75,000.
AND WHAT IS THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME IN TAMARAC? ISN'T IT BETWEEN LIKE 50 AND 60? IT IS. YEAH. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY ABOVE THE MEDIAN INCOME FOR THE CITY.
SO IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE HOMES AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
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I THINK SOME OF THESE, STRATEGIES MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE DEVELOPERS, LIKE INCREASING DENSITY.DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE UNITS AT 60% AMI.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OTHER STRATEGIES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE THAT'S GOING TO ASSURE THAT WE DO WHAT WE GOT FROM THAT DEVELOPER, THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING FORWARD AND ASKING THE SAME.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE AMI IN TERMS OF THE INCOME.
AND OF COURSE SOME ARE RENTER AND RENTERS.
IT HAS TO BE THREE TIMES YOUR INCOME.
MY RENT JUST WENT UP 2700 FOR 800FT², ONE BEDROOM.
I PAY 150 BUCKS EXTRA TO BE ON THE TOP FLOOR.
BUT THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE COST OF THE RENTS IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW.
FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, YOU LOOK FOR BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE.
IT IS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO TO FOR A DEVELOPER TO, TO RENT TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE WHO HAVE HIGHER INCOME.
SO SOME OF THE STRATEGIES WE HAVE TO FIND IS HOW DO WE MAKE IT AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE KIND OF LIKE WHAT LIVE LOCAL HAS DONE, WHERE IT SAYS 40% HAVE TO BE AT A CERTAIN INCOME.
HOW CAN WE HAVE STRATEGIES THAT MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR, FOR FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WHO KIND OF FIT INTO THE MEDIAN INCOME OF THE CITY AND GOING TO WHAT COMMISSIONER PATTERSON MENTIONED, NUMBER TWO.
YEAH, IT'S IT'S IT'S THE SAME THING AS WELL.
I KIND OF HAVE HER HER SAME SENTIMENTS, I THINK IN HIALEAH, IN THOSE MIAMI, THEY ALLOW THOSE LITTLE UNITS WHERE YOU CAN RENT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PAY LIKE 1000 TO 1200. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I HAD A FRIEND OF MINE WENT TO FIU AND THEY WOULD RENT LIKE, THIS UNIT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A MOTHER IN LAW, BUT HE SAYS A GRANNY.
I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT MARRIED. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT.
I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT ONE.
REDUCTION OF PARKING GOES BACK TO THE SAME THING AS WELL.
YOU NEED MORE PARKING IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE UNITS.
SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT MAKES IT AFFORDABLE FOR THE PERSON WHO WANTS THE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, DURING COVID, WE LOVE OUR ESSENTIAL WORKERS.
IT'S GOOD FOR US BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF UPMARKET IN WHATEVER.
BUT WHAT ARE THE EXISTING PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE? WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE THOSE SKILL SETS TO EARN THAT TYPE OF MONEY, OR DON'T HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AT THE END OF THE DAY? WE SAY AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE OR WORKFORCE WHILE FIGHTING FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
SHE HAD TO MOVE BACK HOME WITH HER PARENTS.
SO SHE CALLED ME. I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO.
YEAH, YOU SIGN IT, IT'S LEGAL.
SO I ALWAYS REMEMBER THOSE STORIES, AND I ALWAYS CARE ABOUT THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER BOLTON.
I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE VICE MAYOR.
OR IT'S SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD, EXPLAIN.
NUMBER THREE AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHTS.
SURE, COMMISSIONER. NUMBER THREE, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS ASKING THE COMMISSION TO ADOPT THIS, WHICH WOULD WHICH WOULD REQUIRE STAFF TO GIVE A REDUCTION IN PARKING AND SETBACK.
REQUIREMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
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SO IF THERE'S AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, IF THIS STRATEGY WERE TO BE ADOPTED, THEN DURING THE SITE PLAN WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER PARKING REDUCTION AS WELL AS SETBACK REDUCTION FOR THAT PROJECT.OKAY. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE FOR THE PARKING REDUCTION BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER COULD BUILD MORE UNITS FOR LESS PARKING? YES, YES, YES, IT WOULD MAKE THE PROJECT MORE AFFORDABLE, OF COURSE.
AND WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE LIVE LOCAL APP, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF THE LIVE LOCAL APP WHERE WE HAVE IT'S A MANDATE FOR US, SO WE HAVE TO DO IT UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL, UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL, IF IT COMES IN AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, WE HAVE TO GIVE UP TO 20% IF THE PROJECT IS WITHIN A MILE OF TRANSIT.
SO I'M LIKE, WHY? WHY ARE WE DOING THIS HERE WHEN IT'S GOING TO COME UNDER LIVE LOCAL ANYWAY? BECAUSE NOT EVERY PROJECT MIGHT BE AN APPLICATION THAT IS A LIVE LOCAL APPLICATION.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION DISCRETION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
LIKE YOU REDUCE PARKING AND THEN WHERE DO PEOPLE PARK? RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
AND I SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS AN AREA WHERE THERE'S TRANSIT.
THERE'S BUSSES WALKING DISTANCE TO PUBLIX AND WALMART.
RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I KNOW YOU'D BE SURPRISED IN 2020 IN 2025, YOU'D BE 2020. YEAH.
LIKE, I MEAN, IN SOME OF THESE LUXURY UNITS OF COURSE THERE THERE THERE ARE.
RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS IN, IN ANOTHER ROLE THAT I'M NO LONGER SERVING IN TO TALK TO DEVELOPERS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW THEY WOULD, WOULD WANT TO BUILD.
AND HERE ARE HERE THEY ARE SAYING, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BUILD THE UNITS.
AND THEN I THINK ONE, ONE DEVELOPER WAS SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE A, LIKE A BIG SHARED UNIT.
WHEREAS THE WASHER AND DRYER, THERE'S NONE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON THE SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, MY IDEA OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS LIVING IN A PLACE WHERE THERE'S TRANSIT, THERE'S TRAINS, THERE'S BUSSES, WALKING DISTANCE TO LAUNDROMATS, WALKING DISTANCE TO SUPERMARKETS. AND I JUST CAN'T FATHOM IN MY MIND WHERE IN TAMARAC THAT IS.
YEAH. SO. SO SHOW ME A PLACE WHERE THERE'S ACCESS TO TRAINS AND BUSSES AND WALKING DISTANCE TO WALMART OR OR ANY SUPERMARKET OR LAUNDROMATS, THAT SORT OF STUFF.
YOU KNOW, IF IF SOMEBODY IS LIVING THERE, THEN AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CAR, WHERE DO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO TO THESE THINGS SO THAT THEY CAN LIVE? BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT JUST WE THINK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ABOUT, OH, WE'RE PAYING THE RENT OR THAT'S THE STUFF.
IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS MORE THAN THAT.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS MAKING SURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE EXTRA AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A CAR PAYMENT OR FOR INSURANCE OR THAT'S THIS STUFF. ONCE YOU PUT THE PEOPLE IN THIS LITTLE CLUSTER, YOU CAN LIVE HERE.
NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, CAR PAYMENT.
AND THAT'S THE STUFF I WANT TO LIVE HERE.
SO WE'RE IN TAMARAC DO WE HAVE THAT'S ON ALL YOUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS A TRAIN STATION.
NO, NOT TRAIN, BUT ACCESS TO TRANSIT AND METRO TRANSIT AND.
BUT AND I THINK THAT WAS THE OBJECTIVE OF THE STATE LEGISLATOR WHEN THEY WERE SAYING FOR THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, FOR THEM TO BUILD ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL, ZONED INDUSTRIAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECTS ARE ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES WHERE ACCESSIBILITY AND IF THE TRAIN IS NOT THERE.
NOW, THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE IDEALLY TRAINS AND TAMARAC.
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SAYING NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ON MAJOR CORRIDORS, SO WE CAN SUPPORT THAT SAME CONCEPT, PUTTING THE PEOPLE CLOSE TO TO THE TRANSIT THAT EXISTS NOW.SHOULD WE BE LOOKING THOUGH, AT AT LOCALIZED TRANSPORTATION, FOR INSTANCE, COMMUNITY BUSSES THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY THE CITY OR SUPPORTED BY FEES THAT THESE DEVELOPERS WOULD PAY INTO THAT THIS BUS WOULD LEAVE FROM.
THIS BUS WOULD LEAVE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE THE THE THE APARTMENT TO PUBLIX, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL OF IT, BUT WE DO AND WILL BE ASSESSING A TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE.
THAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION BEHIND A TRANSIT AND TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE.
YOU'RE DOING THE STUDY. THE DEVELOPER.
YEAH, IT'S FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PAY IN THAT IN THAT POOL.
SO WE HAVE THOSE FUNDS SO WE CAN IMPROVE TRANSPORT AND TRANSPORTATION.
OH, SO I'M THINKING INTELLIGENTLY THEN.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THESE ARE.
NO I'M NOT SAYING THAT. IT'S NOT AFRAID.
IT'S NOT AFRAID. NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION.
BUT THAT THOUGHT PROCESS THAT'S MAYBE NOT DEVELOPED NOW, BUT THAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND.
YOU WANT IT ON THE PLACES WHERE YOU KNOW YOU CAN DEVELOP THE DEVELOP THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
I MEAN, I GET COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, I GET MACNABB ROAD.
SO I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE BUS ROUTES.
YOU HAVE TO WALK FROM BAILEY ROAD, CUT THROUGH THE COMMONS AND SHAKER VILLAGE, GO ON TO COMMERCIAL, CATCH A 6 TO 2, YOU KNOW, COME OFF AT SUNSHINE PLAZA, TAKE ANOTHER BUS.
AND SO WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF TOUCH THAT ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND ON MACNABB ROAD.
THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSSES AND THEY HAVE ACCESS, BUT WE NEED COMMUNITY BUSSES AND OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY ARE, BECAUSE GOING FROM TAMARAC, FOR INSTANCE, TO INSTANCE, TO DOWNTOWN IS LIKE THREE DIFFERENT BUSSES.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST ONE, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
A TEACHER TRYING TO GET TO SCHOOL, THAT'S FOUR HOURS ON THE BUS.
YEAH, ON THE BUS STOP ONE TIME.
AND THEY AND THEY TOLD ME AND THEY, THEY SAID, MAURICE, SUCH A GOOD MAN.
I TURNED AROUND AND I GIVE THEM A RIDE.
IT DOESN'T DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT NUMBER THREE REALLY MEANT.
BUT WHEN WE GET TO OWN PUBLIC LA SUITABLE PLANS.
OKAY, SO THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING.
YES. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS LA.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IT'S SPANISH OR SOMETHING.
OKAY. SO THAT'S JUST A TYPO OR SOMETHING.
THE ENVY I THINK IS PROBABLY BEHIND THE IMAGE.
BUT YES, THAT'S THE PRINTED INVENTORY.
SO THIS IS PUBLICLY OWNED, CITY OWNED LAND THAT WE WANT TO MAKE AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT THESE PROPERTY ARE AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IS THIS IS A CITY REALLY AND TRULY THOUGH DO WE REALLY SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING AS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE CITY? I KNOW THAT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD SAY, OH YEAH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT DEEP DOWN THEY REALLY DON'T WANT IT.
BUT LIKE ON THE DAY IT'S LIKE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SO LIKE DO WE REALLY WANT LIKE, ARE WE A ARE WE PROPONENTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BECAUSE IF IF WE DON'T WANT IT THEN YOU KNOW LIKE.
WHEN YOU'RE DONE. RIGHT MAYOR DO YOU DO YOU WANT IT? ALL RIGHT, I'M DONE. I'M DONE.
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I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHERE TO START WITH THIS.SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE WORLD IS CHANGING.
MORE PEOPLE ARE MOVING DOWN HERE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING EXPECTED IN THE NEW PROPERTY ON 7070 SECOND AND UNIVERSITY EXPECTED TO HAVE WHEN WE DO THE TRAPEZE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S A NEW PROJECT AND IT WAS THEY CAME ABOUT AFTERWARDS.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'VE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL, WE'RE JUST STARTING IT.
WE'RE AT THE CAPACITY WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE IN 20, 45 AND 20, COMING UP IN 2025, 20, 2030.
SO HAVING 7000 PEOPLE OR A THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY MOVING DOWN INTO OUR AREA.
SO IT'S WE'RE PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP.
IT'S NOT A NEGATIVE THING AT ALL.
I WORRY ABOUT PUTTING IN SOMETHING TOO MUCH IN A STRATEGY UNDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING TERMS, WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE US HAVING ISSUES WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN.
I'VE ALWAYS AGREED THAT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS MAYBE A SHED FOR TOOLS, BUT NOT FOR A FOR A PERSON TO LIVE IN AND WHETHER ITS MOTHER IN LAW OR NOT OR GRANDPARENTS. BUT AND I FEAR ABOUT MORE PARKING RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE, AS WE'VE JUST SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION IN THE MANNER IN WHICH OTHER PLACES DO THAT WE MAY WANT TO HAVE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEM IN THE NEXT FIVE, TEN YEARS.
AND IF WE SHUT OFF THEIR MODES OF TRANSPORTATION ABOUT HAVING A CAR, IT'S GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM.
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, BUT NOT IN CONJUNCTION.
SO I'M FINE LEAVING THEM ALL OUT.
IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO USE IT THE WAY THEY WAY THEY WANT TO USE IT.
WE WANT TO USE IT THE WAY WE WANT TO USE IT.
AND MPO, JUST FOR THE COMMITTEE I'M ON IS IT'S THE RESILIENCY AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE YOUNG UP AND COMING PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING, IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN WORKING ALL THEIR LIVES WHO HAVE NOW HAD A CAREER CHANGE BECAUSE OF NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN. THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
SO IT'S SENIOR HOUSING JUST AS WELL.
THEY HAVE THE THINGS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS SAYING, WHERE THEY HAVE A COMMON AREA, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE ROOMS. THERE'S GREAT PLACES LIKE SHERIDAN HOUSE, WHICH HAS SIMILAR HOUSING SITUATION TO HELP PEOPLE.
AND THESE ARE ALL WELL AND GOOD.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN TAMARAC BY HERSELF, AND WE'RE AT APPROXIMATELY 2400 UNITS SHY OF THE PAPERWORK GOAL THAT SOMEBODY HAS SAYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET TO 24, AND IF WE PROBABLY GET TO 24, GUESS WHAT? THE GOALPOST IS MOVING.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WE NEED MORE.
SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ADDING RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES.
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THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK, RIGHT.IMPACT FEES? WELL, IT ALL SOUNDS GOOD FOR TRANSIT.
THE REALITY IS THEY PAY AN IMPACT FEE ONCE.
THEN WHO'S PAYING FOR THE BUSSES THAT GO THROUGH? THE CITY OF TAMARAC HAS A BUS TRANSIT, AND WE'VE HAD CONCERNS BECAUSE.
IS IT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY? IS IT GETTING ENOUGH PEOPLE? MAYBE WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE ROOTS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, SUCH AS KING'S POINT, HAS THEIR OWN BUS ROUTE.
THEY PAY INTO IT BECAUSE THAT'S A SERVICE THAT THEY WANT.
IT'S A STRUCTURE FOR THEM. MAYBE THEY DON'T CARE.
MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED IT. RIGHT? I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME HOW MUCH THEY LOVE THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION THAT WE PROVIDE, AND IT'S VERY WELL KNOWN THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ENHANCE IT.
MAYBE THAT'S WHERE DEVELOPER FUNDS COME INTO.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A ONE TIME PAYMENT WITH GROWTH AND MORE PEOPLE UTILIZING IT, HOW DO WE FUND IT? WHEN YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN COME TO A PLACE WHERE YOU MAY NOT HAVE CONTINUALLY CONTINUING REDEVELOPMENT DOLLARS? SO I THINK THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
ALL OF OUR MIXED USE CONTINUES TO HAVE AFFORDABLE COMPONENT.
IT'S VERY HARD BECAUSE I KNOW I DEAL WITH IT ON THE COUNTY LEVEL.
YOU TRY TO COME UP WITH NEW IDEAS, BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THE NEW IDEAS ARE WEREN'T SO GOOD WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTED AS A NEW IDEA A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OR A YEAR AGO, AND YOU JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.
I THINK WE MAKE IT WORK BY CONTINUING THE PLAN THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE.
SO IS IT A CONSENSUS NOT TO ACCEPT ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I HEARD, BUT ACTUALLY, VICE MAYOR HAS HERSELF TURNED OVER.
IF YOU HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I APOLOGIZE ANY OF THE NEW RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE'LL GO BACK ON THAT AS SOON AS THE VICE MAYOR HAS HER THOUGHTS.
ARE THERE ANY DEVELOPER COME TO THE CITY ASKING THE CITY FOR PERMISSION FOR BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING? WE HAVE HAD 1 OR 2 INQUIRIES, BUT NO FORMAL FILING OUT THERE.
AND I GUESS THIS IS FOR THE LATER AGENDA ITEM.
OKAY. SO DO YOU SUPPORT? DO YOU? HOW DO YOU REPHRASE IT? ARE WE ARE WE SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ALREADY HAD THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN UTILIZING? IS THAT HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT OR DO YOU WANT TO KNOW JUST A NEW.
DO WE HAVE ANY. IS THERE ARE WE PROCEEDING WITH THE RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES OR.
NO. THE NEW NEW RECOMMENDED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEES FOR NEW RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH ONE AT ONE OR.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, MISS MISS CALLOWAY IS IS A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL AND SHE HAS, YOU KNOW, STAFF IN IN CAROLYN IN MISS ROYER.
YOU KNOW THAT THAT UNDERSTANDS THIS STUFF.
RIGHT. AND AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY RECOMMEND THAT WE CHOOSE THIS OPTION.
AM I WRONG THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO I'M SAYING MISS CALLOWAY AND CAROLYN AND HER STAFF ARE ARE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS, AND THEY HAVE WORKED HARD WITH THE BOARD TO COME UP WITH THESE STRATEGIES.
AND SO I THINK THAT WE WE CAN TRUST THEM AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WENT TO ALMOST HARVARD TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO OR HARVARD LIKE INSTITUTIONS TO, TO, TO DO THIS.
THAT'S WHY COMMISSIONER BOLTON'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE AND TWO.
QUESTION ON THE SECOND ONE, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT.
NOW THAT I HEARD WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BRING DOWN THE VALUE OF ANYBODY HOME.
THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW WHATEVER CODE AND PERMITTING TO BUILD, OBVIOUSLY.
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SO IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T BE A SHACK IN THE BACK.WE HAVE AN ENTIRE ONE PAGE IN THE CODE DEDICATED TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND IT TELLS YOU WHERE IT CAN BE, WHAT THE SETBACK NEEDS TO BE, WHERE IT'S PERMITTED TO, HOW MANY BEDROOMS, WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE A KITCHEN AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, WHETHER YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY, THE ACREAGE TO DO IT RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S THE PRIMARY PRIMARY.
THE PRIMARY REASON WHY WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN AN APPLICATION IS BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A SETBACK.
IT REQUIRES THAT THE ACCESSORY UNIT BE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN THE PRINCIPAL UNIT.
YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE'VE WE'VE WORKED WITH COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.
BUT ESQUIRE WENT AHEAD AND SAID ONE AND TWO.
YEAH. BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE THE VICE MAYOR THINKS FOR HERSELF.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING COMMISSIONER PATTERSON BROUGHT THAT UP AS WELL.
BUT I'M ALSO SAYING THAT MISS CALLAWAY IS ALSO ESQUIRE, A REAL ONE.
SO. SO I'M SAYING IF IF, IF SHE, YOU KNOW, AND HER STAFF BELIEVES WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE AND TWO AND NOT RECOMMEND THREE AND FOUR, YOU KNOW, WHO AM I AS A FAKE ESQUIRE TO TELL THE ESQUIRE THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, MAYBE TWO COULD BE REMOVED FROM THE ORDER.
BUT MAYBE, AND I DON'T KNOW, ANY PROPERTY.
WELL, MAYBE IN THE WOODLANDS OR THE STATES OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO DO THAT.
SO IT WOULD HAVE WORKED ITSELF OUT ANYWAY.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THIS.
SO WE COULD STILL SAY YES, BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S ONE PROPERTY IN THE WHOLE TAMARAC THAT CAN DO IT.
THAT WAS OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. SO HE'S SAYING NUMBER TWO IS ALREADY ALLOWED.
OH, SO THEN THERE'S A NO BRAINER OKAY.
IT'S ALREADY ALLOWED IN THE CITY.
AT LEAST ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR EACH, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S PARKING REQUIREMENT ALREADY, MORE THAN LIKELY FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR PROPERTIES IN TAMARAC WOULD NOT FIT THE BILL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK IT WENT IN.
YEAH. TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT IT'S HARD TO ACHIEVE.
BUT THERE MIGHT BE THIS ONE RESIDENT WHO WANTS IT.
YEAH. SO IT'S BEEN ON THE CODE SINCE 2018.
THAT ONE RESIDENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT REGARDLESS.
YEAH, I'VE NOT HAD AN APPLICATION.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, YES, I DID ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT I ECHO COMMISSIONER BOLTON IN SAYING THAT I AGREE THAT MADAM DEPUTY MANAGER IS A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL AND SO IS HER STAFF.
BUT I WANTED TO JUST SIMPLY RESTATE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY STATED, WHICH IS THESE STRATEGIES ARE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE CODE, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY'RE A GOOD POLICY CHOICE OR A POLICY DECISION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT EXPLICITLY CLEAR.
AND SO WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE VICE MAYOR HAS GREAT PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF PERMITTING AND ALL OF THAT, THE QUESTION IS, DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY FOLLOW THAT? AND WILL THEY ACTUALLY GO GET THE PROPER PERMITS? AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ALL THOSE THINGS TO CONSIDER.
ADDITIONALLY, EARLIER I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES WITH THIS TO INCLUDE JUST, YOU KNOW, CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE, STRUCTURE CHALLENGES AS WELL. THAT'S ADDITIONAL WATER.
WHEN WE START TO ADD, YOU KNOW, ACCESSORY UNITS.
EITHER WAY, I'VE ALREADY STRESSED MY CASE ON THIS.
I DON'T LOVE ACCESSORY UNITS IN THE BACK PERSONALLY.
BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
MY QUESTION TO YOU MADAM DEPUTY MANAGER, IS THESE STRATEGIES DO WHAT EXACTLY? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE CLEAR FROM A STANDPOINT OF I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT OR HAVE STRATEGIES IN PLACE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BE IN RECEIPT OF SHIP DOLLARS. IS THAT CORRECT? IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE AHAC COMMITTEE AND IS REALLY DESIGNED TO AND THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT WILL BE SERVING IS BRINGING FORWARD STRATEGIES THAT WILL FURTHER
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THE PROVISION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.SO THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN OUR CITY, BUT YOU'RE PUTTING IN PLACE THINGS THAT WILL FURTHER THE CREATION, THE ACCESSIBILITY, THE PROVISION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR CITY, IN YOUR CITY.
YOU WANT TO CREATE, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE EXPEDITED PERMITTING AND ALL THESE THINGS IS TO CREATE AN ACCESS WAY OR MAKE IT PUT FORWARD PROGRAMS THAT WILL PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU WANT TO FURTHER THE PROVISION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YEAH. SO I THINK THE ATTORNEY KIND OF ECHOED WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
IT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD ONLY WITH STRATEGY NUMBER ONE.
I DON'T SEE HOW WE DO TWO WITHOUT THREE.
AND I DON'T SEE FOUR BEING USEFUL AT ALL, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION. SORRY.
COULD THE CITY ADOPT ITS OWN I GUESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING STANDARDS IN TERMS OF INCOME LIMITS, OR DO WE HAVE TO DEFER TO THE COUNTY? NO, WE CAN. AND WE'RE WORKING ON ADOPTING OUR OWN GUIDELINES.
IN FACT, CAROLYN IS THE ONE WORKING ON DRAFTING THAT.
SO WE WILL BE BRINGING TO YOU AT A FUTURE DATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GUIDELINES.
IT CAN'T BE FEDERAL DOLLARS OR ANYTHING.
IS THAT WHAT I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT IN TERMS OF THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
SO IF A DEVELOPER, BECAUSE FLORIDA STATUTE SAYS THAT WE CANNOT ASK FOR A DEVELOPER TO DEVELOPER TO GIVE US INCLUSIONARY HOUSING OR INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH MARKET RATE, UNLESS WE GIVE THEM SOMETHING IN RETURN.
SO FOR EACH FLEX AND REDEVELOPMENT UNIT THAT THE CITY WILL BE GIVING A DEVELOPER, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THEM IN TURN TO GIVE US A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT A PARTICULAR LEVEL, WHETHER IT BE 80% OR 50%.
SO THIS IS NOT OVERALL GUIDELINES AS FAR AS GIVING MONEY, RIGHT? YES. AND THAT'S FOR OUR DETERMINATION OF THAT'S WHERE IT COULD BE OUR CITY'S DETERMINATION AND FINANCIAL GUIDELINES WITH OUR COUNTY AND STATE.
EXACTLY. THE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS A POLICY IN PLACE, BUT WE WANT TO CREATE OUR OWN.
SO THE FUNDS ARE NOT GOING TO THE COUNTY.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF PICKING BACK UP.
THAT WAS MY KIND OF MY QUESTION AS WELL.
CAN WE I MEAN, YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB.
YOU KNOW, CAROLYN AND MISS CALLAWAY ARE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO ACCEPT WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO US.
EXACTLY. I MEAN, AS I SAID, YOU CAN REJECT ALL OF THE NEW ONES.
YOU CAN ACCEPT. THIS IS JUST US COMPLYING WITH STATE REQUIREMENT.
WE ARE RECIPIENTS OF SHIP FUNDS.
AS A RECIPIENT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO ADOPT A LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMMITTEE AND WE MUST BRING FORWARD STRATEGIES EVERY YEAR.
AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STRATEGIES.
AND SO WE ALREADY HAVE FOUR STRATEGIES.
THESE ARE NEW ONES THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED.
IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU'D LIKE TO ADOPT THESE OR NOT.
YEAH, I THINK OUR JOB AS A COMMISSION IS TO HAVE VISION AND TO CREATE POLICY.
AND YOU GUYS DID A FANTASTIC JOB IN DOING THAT.
BUT I'M GOING TO AGREE AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON AND I'M NOT I DON'T SEE NONE OF THEM THAT THAT I'M INTERESTED IN DOING.
AND THEN WE HAVE THESE LOCAL ACTIVITY ZONES WHERE IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
SO I'VE GOT A NUN OUT OF COMMISSIONER.
RIGHT. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH. NO. I'M GOOD. I WAS GOING TO SAY I CAN TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF MY COLLEAGUES.
NOW THAT I'M THE NEW APPOINTEE, I'LL GLADLY GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND AND RESTRATEGIZE.
SO I'M GOING TO THROW IT THIS WAY BECAUSE I AM.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND DENSITY WE'RE WORKING ON, AND WE HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, WHICH MAYBE THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION, THE CITY MAY NOT HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE FUTURE MIGHT BE A COMMENT IN A CONVERSATION.
SO I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO APPROVE TWO, WHICH MAY NOT STICK AROUND.
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AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THREE AND FOUR.SO I'M, I'M WITH COMMISSIONER, RIGHT.
AND TO NOT SUPPORT ANY OF THEM BECAUSE I KNOW WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH THEM.
SO THEN AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD HAVE COMMISSIONER WRIGHT AND MYSELF SAYING NONE.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON SAYING ONE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH SAYING NONE? SO WE HAVE AT THIS POINT WE HAVE THREE TO SAY NONE FOR THIS.
BUT I DIDN'T VOTE TO CHANGE MY MIND.
I'M NOT. NOT MAKING YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M NOT ASKING NOTHING TO CHANGE.
I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH. NO, NO.
AT THIS TIME, THERE'S CONSENSUS, RIGHT? WE'RE GOOD. I'M GOOD TO NOT GO FORWARD.
BECAUSE BASED ON ONE DISCUSSION, ONE AND TWO IS GOING TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS OF HOW WE.
EXACTLY. SO THREE FOUR DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE EVERYBODY DISAGREE WITH IT AND 1 OR 2.
DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER WE SAY YAY OR NAY, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN.
I WAS JUST TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE WORK OF THE BOARD.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.
THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. SO NONE OF THEM.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SHORTER MEETINGS TO CONTINUE BEING WELL.
I THINK THESE LONG WORKSHOPS ARE NOT GOOD FOR CAMARADERIE.
AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BRING BACK HAVING TWO WORKSHOPS A MONTH.
ANYHOW. THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY.
WE'RE NOT GOING THERE. I'M JUST SHOUTING IT OUT.
SO THEN THEN DEAL WITH THE LENGTH.
SO IF IF WE COULD MOVE FORWARD NOW WE HAVE SURVIVED ONE F, RIGHT? NO, NO, THAT WAS FUNNY.
THAT WAS FUNNY. I THINK THERE WERE BOTH TOGETHER.
THAT ONE. WELL, ONE D IS COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, ONE E IS FORGIVE US.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMES OFF THE.
NO. WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
OKAY. THAT'S EXACTLY SO THAT WILL BE ON AND CAROLYN WILL UPDATE THE REPORT TO SHOW THAT THE CITY COMMISSION DID NOT ACCEPT ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, OR SHE COULD JUST UPDATE THE REPORT THAT THE CITY COMMISSION CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
[1.f TO2549 - An ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, terminating “Notice to the Public of a Pending Ordinance” by amending Chapter 10, Article 2, of the Land Development Code of the City of Tamarac, Florida, entitled “Zoning Districts”, by creating Section 10-2.8, entitled “Qualified Mixed-Use Development pursuant to the Live Local Act of 2023," establishing procedures and regulations to implement Section 166.04151(7), Florida Statutes, as created by Chapter 2023-17, Laws of Florida, and as amended by Senate Bill 328, to provide for development regulations and administrative review of certain affordable housing projects pursuant to state law; providing for repealer; providing for codification; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date. ]
ALL RIGHT, MOVING SWIFTLY ALONG TO ONE F, WE ARE TO 2549.AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, TERMINATING THE NOTICE TO PUBLIC OF PENDING ORDINANCE BY AMENDING CHAPTER TEN, ARTICLE TWO OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, ENTITLED ZONING DISTRICTS BY CREATING SECTION TEN DASH 2.8 ENTITLED QUALIFIED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT 2023, ESTABLISHING PROCEDURES AND REGULATIONS TO IMPLEMENT SECTION 166.04151, SUBSECTION SEVEN, FLORIDA STATUTES CREATED BY CHAPTER 223 OR 20 2317 LAWS OF FLORIDA AND AS AMENDED BY SENATE BILL 328, PROVIDE FOR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF CERTAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS PURSUANT TO STATE LAW, CODIFICATION, ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.
AND WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO YOU, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
THIS ITEM WILL APPEAR AS 2549 ON FIRST READING ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA.
AND THIS IS PRIMARILY JUST TO PROVIDE GUIDELINES IN FURTHERANCE OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.
I KNOW WE DID A PRESENTATION TO THIS COMMISSION WHEN THE ACT WAS ADOPTED IN 2023.
THE WAY WE DID THIS, WE DID WHAT MOST OTHER CITIES WERE DOING AT THE TIME.
BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A MORATORIUM OR A ZONING IN PROGRESS IS WHAT WHAT WE DID.
SO WE COULD CONTINUE TO STUDY THE THE NEW BILL AND TO SEE HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS IT.
THEN IN FEBRUARY 28TH, 2024, SENATE BILL 328 PASSED.
THERE WERE SEVERAL ISSUES WITH THE SENATE BILL 102.
AND SO THE GLITCH BILL WAS INTRODUCED AND IT WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY 2024, AND IN MARCH 2024, THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED AN EXTENSION TO OUR NOTICE OF PENDING PUBLIC NOTE, OR I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT A ZONING IN PROGRESS.
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AND THEN IN MAY 2024, THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THREE 328 INTO LAW.WE TOOK THE OUR GUIDELINES TO THE PLANNING BOARD IN JUNE 2024.
THE PLANNING BOARD ADOPTED THAT.
AND THEN WE ATTEMPTED TO TAKE THE GUIDELINES BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION.
BUT THEN YOU DID ANOTHER EXTENSION AUGUST 28TH, 2024, WHICH EXPIRES FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
SO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY? AND ON WEDNESDAY ON FIRST READING WILL BE GUIDELINES THAT IS GOING TO HELP STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THE MANDATE OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, WHICH I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IN A MOMENT. FOR PURPOSES OF THE DISCUSSION, I JUST WANT TO SET THE STAGE OF WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AND THE DEFINITION.
AND THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND THAT COMES UP ALL THE TIME IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE POLICIES OR ELEMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE LIB LOCAL ACT.
THERE'S FUNDING AND TAX CREDIT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.
THERE ARE SOME TAX INCENTIVES.
THERE IS ENCOURAGING LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO ADOPT BEST PRACTICES.
AND THEN THE STATE IS PROVIDING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ON THE LEGISLATION.
BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US IS THE ONE THAT'S IN GREEN, AND IT'S THE LAND USE TOOLS AND THE ROLE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO FACILITATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND MIXED USE AREAS.
SO WHEN THE BILL WAS ADOPTED, IT DID A FEW MORE THINGS THAT WE WILL SEE AS A PART OF THE GUIDELINES IT PROVIDED FOR HEIGHT PROTECTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES. ESSENTIALLY, THE LIB LOCAL PROVIDES THAT THE PROJECT CAN BE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AFFORDED IN THE MUNICIPALITY, WHICH FOR US IS 70FT.
AND SO WITH THAT, IF THE PROJECT, A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT, IS BEING BUILT ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY WITH 25 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, OR MORE THAN IT ALLOWS FOR THAT PROJECT TO BE THE GREATEST HEIGHT WITHIN A MILE OR 150% OF THE GREATEST HEIGHT IN THE MUNICIPALITIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THREE STORIES WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
SO IT PROVIDES A BIT OF A PROTECTION FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE CLOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE CLOSE TO A SINGLE FAMILY ZONED COMMUNITIES, BUT IT'S SPECIFIC THAT THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE TO HAVE 25 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR MORE, AND IT HAS TO BE BORDERING THAT PROJECT ON BOTH SIDES, A MINIMUM OF TWO SIDES FOR THOSE PROTECTIONS TO APPLY.
AND THEN THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE GLITCH BILL, PRIMARILY THE FACT THAT MUNICIPALITIES NOW, IF THE PROJECT IS WITHIN ONE MILE OF A TRANSIT STATION, THEN YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP TO 20% REDUCTION IN PARKING.
AND THEN THERE'S A PREEMPTION.
IF THE PROJECT IS IN A TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED AREA, THEN THEY'RE COMPLETELY PREEMPTED.
WE'RE COMPLETELY PREEMPTED, AND THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIREMENT.
SO SOME OF THE PREEMPTION BEFORE I GO INTO THE GUIDELINES.
SO IF A DEVELOPMENT IS COMING INTO THE CITY AND 40% OR MORE IS AFFORDABLE, THEN THE CITY IS PREEMPTED FROM FROM DEALING WITH HEIGHT AS WELL AS MAKING IT A PUBLIC HEARING PROJECT.
SO IT'S APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
IT PROVIDES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT REQUIRE A PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL COMPLY WITH THE 40%, OBTAIN A LAND USE ZONING SPECIAL EXCEPTION, CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL VARIANCE, OR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WITH RESPECT TO BUILDING HEIGHT, ZONING, AND DENSITY.
ADMINISTRATIVELY, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF A QUALIFIED PROJECT MAY BE EQUAL TO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT CURRENTLY ALLOWED WITHIN ONE MILE OF THE PROJECT SITE, AND THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ALLOWED WOULD BE EQUAL TO THE HIGHEST DENSITY CURRENTLY ALLOWED WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITY.
AND FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC, THAT'S 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
SO THIS IS JUST REITERATING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST SPOKE OF.
SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE SLIDE GO THROUGH THIS SLIDE.
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20% OF ITS LAND MASS THAT'S DEDICATED TO COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED USE, THEN ANY LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT'S BUILT IN THAT COMMUNITY MUST BE A MIXED USE PRODUCT.IT CANNOT BE JUST A MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING PROJECT.
SO WE WILL GET A MIXED USE COMPONENT.
SO WE'RE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC IS ARE THESE ZONING DISTRICTS? AND SO THIS MAP IS A ZONING MAP OF THE CITY.
AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU WHICH YOU WILL ALSO SEE IN THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS, YOUR INDUSTRIAL, YOUR MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT, AS WELL AS YOUR COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND IT'S PRIMARILY UP AND DOWN OUR MAJOR CORRIDOR ALONG COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
THERE ARE SOME ON MATLAB, THERE ARE SOME ON 441 AS WELL AS UNIVERSITY DRIVE.
THESE ARE THE AREAS IN THE CITY THAT ARE ZONED AND WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
SO NORMALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GUIDELINES AND NEW POLICIES, WE LIKE TO THINK OR ASK WHAT MUNICIPALITIES AROUND US, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHO HAS ADOPTED GUIDELINES. AND SO MY STAFF JUST DID A POLLING ESSENTIALLY TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND US.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN RED THOSE CITIES THAT HAVE NOT YET ADOPTED.
AND THEN SUNRISE YOU SEE A YES.
BUT THEY ADOPTED BY VIRTUE OF A POLICY OR A MEMORANDUM.
THEY DIDN'T DO AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
SO WHY ARE WE PUTTING TOGETHER GUIDELINES? SO THE ACT IS A MANDATE.
WE MUST ACCEPT THESE PROJECTS WHEN THEY COME FORWARD.
IF OVER 40%, 40% OR MORE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEY HAVE TO BE PROCESSED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
BUT IT IS SILENT AS TO HOW YOU ENSURE THE COMMITMENT OF AFFORDABILITY.
HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU COMPARE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS VERSUS THE NON AFFORDABLE UNITS? HOW DO YOU MANDATE THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AS AFFORDABLE MIMICS WHAT'S NON AFFORDABLE MARKET RATE UNIT? WHAT ARE THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS RELATIVE TO HOW YOU PROCESS THESE APPLICATIONS? THE ACT IS SILENT ON THAT.
THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS, THE ACT IS SILENT ON THAT AS WELL.
SO THE GUIDELINE WILL PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE TO THE DEVELOPER AS WELL AS TO STAFF ON HOW YOU APPLY YOUR LIVE LOCAL ACT THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS. AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDE IN THE GUIDELINES HOW YOU GO THROUGH WHAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WOULD APPLY TO YOUR APPLICATION.
SO I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE ORDINANCE.
WE ARE CREATING A COMPLETELY NEW SECTION IN THE CODE SECTION TEN DASH 2.8.
IT WILL BE CALLED QUALIFIED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IN 2023.
AND LIKE MOST ORDINANCES, THIS IS A STRUCTURE.
IT WILL HAVE INTENT AND PURPOSE AND EXPIRATION OF WHEN THE PROVISION WILL EXPIRE.
IN THIS CASE, OCTOBER 1ST, 2023, WHICH IS WHEN THE ACT EXPIRES.
SO I'LL JUST TOUCH ON SOME OF THE SECTIONS OF THE GUIDELINES REAL QUICK.
SO TEN DASH 2.8 IS OF COURSE A IS THE INTENT AND PURPOSE.
AND IN THIS SECTION THE INTENT IS JUST TALKING ABOUT WHY THE PURPOSE OF THE ACT, WHY WE'RE ADOPTING THIS SECTION, AND THEN IT ALSO INCLUDE WHEN THE SECTION WILL EXPIRE UNLESS EXTENDED. IT EXPIRES OCTOBER 1ST, 2033.
B IS A DEFINITION SECTION, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, CONSISTENT WITH MOST OF OUR ORDINANCES, IT HAS A DEFINITION FOR MOST OF THE TERMS THAT WILL BE UTILIZED AS A PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS. SO ADJACENT WHAT THAT MEANS, DIRECTOR, WHAT THAT MEANS, WHICH IS THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE WHICH IS MEASURED A BIT DIFFERENT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
WHAT IS A QUALIFIED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO THE ACT?
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IT PROVIDES FOR THE DEFINITION OF THAT AND SOME OTHER DEFINITIONS.THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE NEW ORDINANCE IS THE APPLICABILITY.
THESE ARE THE ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE THE LOCAL ACT APPLICATION WOULD BE APPLICABLE.
AND THEN SUBSECTION D IS YOUR SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE DID WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO FOR MOST OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING APPLICATIONS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A PRE APP NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WHICH IS A MEETING WHERE THE DEVELOPER WILL GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT AN APPLICATION IS BEING FILED ADMINISTRATIVELY. WE PUT IN THIS SECTION WHAT WHAT FEE WOULD BE APPLICABLE.
AND WE WOULD BE CHARGING THE FEE THAT WE WOULD CHARGE FOR A SITE PLAN MAJOR.
THIS CONTINUES IN TERMS OF THE AFFORDABILITY PROVISIONS.
IT HAS TO BE RECORDED FOR 30 YEARS, HOW THE CITY WILL TRACK THE RECORDING.
HOW OFTEN YOU HAVE TO REPORT TO THE CITY.
YOU HAVE TO REPORT TO US ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
AFTER ALL, IT HAS TO REMAIN AFFORDABLE FOR 30 YEARS.
IN THIS SECTION, WE'RE ASKING ALSO FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY IF THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BUILT IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, WE WANT TO KNOW HOW THE PROJECT WILL PERFORM AS IT RELATES TO NOISE AND ODOR AND SO ON.
IF THE PROJECT IS BUILT IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, WE'RE ASKING FOR A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO 65%, A MINIMUM OF 65% OF THE PROJECT MUST BE DEDICATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
SO SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS YOU WILL FIND IN THIS SECTION.
IT TALKS ABOUT INTERIOR FINISH, MAKING SURE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR MARKET RATE, YOUR AFFORDABLE.
ALL THE FINISHES SHOULD BE THE SAME.
YOUR EXTERIOR FINISH SHOULD BE THE SAME AS WELL.
IT SHOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DIFFERENT FROM YOUR MARKET RATE UNITS.
THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL FIND YOUR DENSITY CAP, WHICH IS A 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AS WELL AS YOUR HEIGHT, WHICH SPEAKS TO BOTH THE THE PRODUCT THAT'S BUILT ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.
WE TOOK THAT DIRECTLY FROM STATE STATUTE HOW THAT WOULD BE APPLIED.
IF NOT, THEN YOU'RE ENTITLED TO THE HIGHEST HEIGHT IN THE CITY UP TO A MILE, WHICH IS THE 70FT.
THIS SECTION HAS ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS, YOUR BUFFER AND LANDSCAPING, YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL FIND THAT WE ARE REQUIRED FOR THE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS TO GIVE UP TO 20%.
IF YOU ARE WITHIN A MILE OF OF A TRANSIT STOP.
I THINK THIS IS THE LAST PROVISION, WHICH IS WHICH IS A REGULATORY COMPLIANCE PROVISION.
THIS IS HOW WE MONITOR THE 30 YEARS, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU NEED TO SUBMIT TO US IN AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND THEN AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE PROJECT, AFTER 30 YEARS, PROVIDING THE PROJECT STILL MAINTAINS THE AFFORDABILITY MIX AND THE PROJECT WOULD BECOME A LEGAL CONFORMING USE AFTER THE 30 YEARS.
AND SO THIS SECTION HAS THOSE REGULATORY COMPLIANCE INCLUDED.
SO THE GUIDELINES IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SUPPORTS THE OBJECTIVE ONE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT THE CITY WILL ASSIST THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN PROVIDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING UNIT TYPES TO MEET THE VARYING NEEDS AND LIFESTYLE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
AND SO WE ARE I'M RECOMMENDING THAT THIS ITEM BE CONSIDERED FOR ADOPTION AT WEDNESDAY'S MEETING.
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AND I THINK THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I JUST LOOKED AT YOU IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO.
NO. MR. VICE MAYOR. I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I DIDN'T I WASN'T CLEAR ON.
I WROTE THEM AS I GO AND ON SLIDE TEN, BUT ON THE PACKET IS TEN.
IT'S THE ONE OF THE MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT.
YEAH. I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT THAT WELL.
IT WILL BE ON UNIVERSITY COMMERCIAL MCNAB AND 441.
SO I CAN'T SEE NOTHING, SO I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND.
I'M SORRY. I CAN'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN EITHER.
YEAH. SO THE COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, YOU CAN SEE THE RECEIPT.
YEAH. YOU CAN SEE COMMERCIAL GOING STRAIGHT DOWN ACROSS TO THE EAST.
SO THAT PROJECT THAT'S COMING IN MY DISTRICT.
WELL, MIGHT BE COMING OR COMING.
NO, THAT'S SOUTHGATE AND THE CORNER OF SOUTHGATE AND PINE.
NO, IT'S ON UNIVERSITY, WHICH.
YEAH. SO WITH THAT PROJECT IT'S SOUTHGATE AND PINE ISLAND.
IT'S ON WOODMONT, IT'S SOUTHGATE AND PINE ISLAND.
NO NOT SOUTHGATE. NO, WE HAD 7200.
YEAH, ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL.
SO THAT WOULD BE ON UNIVERSITY.
WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? SO THE RULES WOULD HAVE THIS RULES WOULD APPLY TO THAT PROJECT.
THIS RULE ONLY APPLIES IF THE DEVELOPMENT WANTS IT.
YEAH. IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS A LIVE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT OR A LIVE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT, IF 40% OF THE UNITS ARE AFFORDABLE, WHICH IS WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY LIKE BEATING ON OUR DOORS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT'S UNDER CONTRACT WITH EU INTERNATIONAL? YES, YES. THAT PROJECT IS NOT WILL NOT BE A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT.
THE DEVELOPER HE WANTS SOMETHING ELSE.
YEAH, HE'S GOING TO DO MIXED USE, MARK.
IT'S LIVE LOCAL. IF ALMOST HALF.
IT'S A BIG NUMBER. 40% HAS TO BE 40% OR MORE.
SO THAT PROJECT IS IS OFF THE TABLE.
NO, IT'S BASED ON THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO THE STATE SAYS THE DENSITY IS THE HIGHEST DENSITY ALLOWED IN THE CITY.
IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC OR MAXIMUM DENSITY IS 50 UNITS PER ACRE.
ANYTHING ABOVE THAT IS BONUS THAT WE GIVE, BUT THAT'S OUR MAXIMUM.
YES. AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE NEGOTIATION IF A PROJECT COMES.
YES. WHAT IS OUR PLAN? SO ON PAGE 13, I ASSUME YOU'RE COMING UP WITH A GUIDELINE THING WE DID.
SO THAT'S WHAT OUR GUIDELINES WILL DO.
AND ON ON SLIDE 20, YOU SAID 35% NONRESIDENTIAL.
YES. SO 40% WILL BE AFFORDABLE AND 35% WILL BE BUSINESS.
SO 65% OF THE DEVELOPMENT MUST BE RESIDENTIAL 45%, 40% OF THAT 65 GOT YOU MUST BE AFFORDABLE FOR IT TO QUALIFY AS A LIVE LOCAL SO WE CAN 65% IS THE MINIMUM.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID MINIMUM. NO, THAT'S JUST 65 AND 35.
6 TO 5 AND 35 IS GONNA GIVE US.
IT'S NOT BAD BECAUSE THEY GOT TO GIVE US 35% BUSINESS FOR US.
IT MUST BE A MIXED USE PRODUCT FOR US.
YES. AND ON PAGE SLIDE 21, YOU SAID THEY HAVE TO.
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I DIDN'T CATCH THIS WHOLE BUT I COULDN'T GIVE 20% OF WHAT.I WASN'T SURE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAID 20% ON ON SLIDE 21.
OH. SO THERE GOES THE PARKING REDUCTION AGAIN.
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING.
THAT'S WHAT THE ACT SAYS. SO IT'S A MANDATE IF THEY'RE IN HOMAGE.
MILE A MILE. YOU SAID THERE'S A THEY'RE WITHIN A MILE OF A TRANSIT STOP.
SO ANY. SO IF THERE'S A BUS STOP.
YOU PUT THAT IN THERE. THEY DIDN'T PUT EFFICIENT.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS DONE BY FEBRUARY.
WELL, IT EXPIRES THE WE HAVE EXTENDED IT TWICE.
AND SO COULD IT BE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T.
I APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING YOU OFF, BUT YOU'RE SO KNOWLEDGEABLE.
I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.
COULD IT BE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY ASK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS IN PLACE? WHAT, ARE WE LAUGHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GOOD BILL IS PROBABLY WHY WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY ASKS.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A MORATORIUM.
SO WHEN PEOPLE CALL US, WE SAY WE HAVE A NOTICE OF PENDING LEGISLATION.
WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY APPLICATION.
RIGHT. SO THAT IS SO THESE GUIDELINES WILL LIFT THAT ZONING IN PROGRESS.
WELL LET'S HOPE NOT AN INFLUX.
YEAH. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON I'M SORRY, THE BOARD.
JUST TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED TO HAVE CONSIDERED THERE WHICH COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW, COULD WE? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PREEMPTS US FROM REQUESTING SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT, WHETHER IT'S THAT THE DEVELOPER PARTNER WITH LOCAL RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM OR PROJECT LANDSCAPING DOLLARS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PREEMPTS US FROM REQUIRING THAT THERE BE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT? THE AND I SEE HANS IS THINKING I AM GOING TO WELCOME HIM TO CHIME IN.
THESE ARE THE TOOLS THAT WE WOULD HAVE USED IN THE PAST TO DO SOME COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
SO WE WOULD HAVE DONE A PD AGREEMENT OR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND THAT WAY I CAN HAVE SOME ASSURANCES FOR SOME COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
I CAN'T SUBJECT THIS PROJECT TO ANYTHING BUT AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
SO IF OUR. BUT IF OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES A COMMUNITY BENEFIT IN THE CASE OF APPROVAL, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, THEN THERE SHOULD BE THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE A BENEFIT. WHAT SHE'S SAYING IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN HERE.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE A COMMUNITY BENEFITS ORDINANCE AT THIS POINT.
IF THEY NEED A VARIANCE THEY GOT TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
SO THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO ASK FOR COMMUNITY BENEFITS IN OTHER MATTERS.
BUT IF THEY COME IN WITHIN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE LAW, IT'S HARD TO REQUEST ANY COMMUNITY BENEFITS UNLESS THEY WANT TO DO A VOLUNTARY PROFFER. OKAY.
AND MOST DEVELOPERS, GOOD DEVELOPERS USUALLY GIVE THAT VOLUNTARY OFFER.
SO. BUT WHY WOULD IT BE HARD IF IT'S.
WHY WOULD IT BE HARD IF IT IS.
IF IT'S IF IT'S OUR ORDINANCE.
CORRECT. SO WHAT SAYS THEY THAT WE CAN'T.
HAVE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT REQUIREMENT.
IT'S NOT PRECLUDED. BUT I JUST ON ON THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TO KIND OF ALLOW AND FOLLOW THE STATE GUIDELINES.
I COULD RESEARCH AND SEE IF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE A COMMUNITY BENEFITS WE LIVE LOCAL ACT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE BACKGROUND IS IT TOOK AWAY A LOT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT POWER IN TERMS OF REGULATING THESE PROJECTS.
SO IF A COMMUNITY BENEFIT ORDINANCE OR PROVISION IS PERMITTED, LET ME RESEARCH IT.
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I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. OR I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF IS GOING TO BRING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR AN AFFORDABILITY.AFFORDABLE. YEAH. AFFORDABLE HOUSING ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
PERHAPS THAT ORDINANCE THEN HAS SOME LANGUAGE REQUIRING COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
AND THAT COULD BE A LAYER BECAUSE, I MEAN, IN THIS CASE, LIVE LOCAL IS SAYING THAT I MEAN, THIS IS A 40% REQUIREMENT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS ORDINANCE, RIGHT? SO SOMEWHERE IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ORDINANCE, MAYBE WE HAVE THAT COULD THEY BE COMPLIMENTARY OR COULD THAT IS THERE A WAY I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST REACHING, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY DOES BENEFIT FROM YOU KNOW, FROM THESE PROJECTS.
BUT THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR DENSITY GREATER THAN 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
AND SO IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS IF, IN FACT SOMEONE WHO'S COMING IN UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING MORE THAN 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, THEN ONCE YOU TRIGGER OUR BONUS, THEN IT ALLOWS US TO ASK FOR COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
AND THAT'S CODIFIED, WHICH IS GOOD.
MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT IS I DON'T WANT TO ALWAYS HAVE TO ASK.
THEN IT'S A POLICY THAT SAYS, YEAH, SURE, I'M REFERRING TO COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
I FEEL LIKE IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROJECT PROPOSED, THAT THE PROJECT SHOULD CONSIDER THINGS.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S HARD TO, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO PUT POSITIONS OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS FIRST, TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS LOCAL PREFERENCE ON JOBS OR OPPORTUNITIES OF, YOU KNOW, INVOLVING THE PROJECT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A HARD ASK TO YOU KNOW, MAYBE DO SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER IT IS TO BEAUTIFY THE CENTRAL AREA OR UP TO WHATEVER IT IS.
RIGHT. BUT I JUST THINK THAT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, YOU CAN REQUEST ALLOCATION OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS FOR POLICE OFFICERS OR FIREFIGHTERS AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
THAT'S A BENEFIT. THAT'S A BENEFIT.
SO MAYBE OUR SIDEWALKS IN THAT AREA NEED TO BE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
I JUST THINK THAT IN LIEU OF, YOU KNOW, A REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IN OUR CITY, THESE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THE BENEFITS AND ADVANTAGES OF THESE, YOU KNOW, OF REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY, MY THOUGHT AROUND.
THAT'S THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAT WE NEED FROM THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU WANT US TO LOOK INTO ADOPTING A GENERAL COMMUNITY BENEFIT ORDINANCE OR AND WE JUST NEED DIRECTION WITH RESPECT TO THIS LIVE LOCAL ACT WE CAN ALL THAT ORDINANCE CAN INCORPORATE ALL PROJECTS, NOT JUST THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS, BUT.
OKAY. SO THAT SAID, YEAH, I THINK THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT SAID, I THINK THAT THAT WAS GOOD.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE ABLE TO ADOPT A COMMUNITY BENEFITS ORDINANCE THAT COULD ENCOMPASS ALL AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY, THEN I WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK TO MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BROUGHT ABOUT AND TACK ON TO PART OF WHAT WE MADE.
CHANGES IN THE CODE BEFORE YOU GOT ON BOARD REGARDING HOW WE HANDLE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND DISCUSSIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT AS A COMMISSION, WE'RE DOING THINGS TO PRESENT COMMUNITY BENEFITS FOR EVERYONE VERSUS SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE GONE THROUGH IN THE PAST.
WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, SO IT WOULD GO INTO THAT AS WELL.
I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER BOLTON GOES NEXT, AND I WILL CLAMP ON TO SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, GO AHEAD.
I THINK WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS I'M ALREADY SAD.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW DO WE IF HOW DO WE ROLL THIS OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT PROJECTS MAY HAPPEN IN THEIR COMMUNITY THAT THE COMMISSION HAS NO CONTROL OVER?
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DO WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT? IS THAT YOU? IS THAT PIO? IS. WHO IS IT? DO WE HAVE A PLAN? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I CAN I CAN THINK ABOUT CERTAIN PLACES THROUGHOUT THIS CITY THAT THESE PROJECTS CAN GO TO JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAP. YEAH. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SCREAMING RESIDENTS.THE MAYOR WAS THERE. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY AND THERE WERE A FEW RESIDENTS THERE.
NOT A LOT, BUT A FEW JUST HAMMERING.
NO, NO NO NO NO, WE DON'T WANT THIS.
THEN YOU KNOW, IT'S A QUICK LOOK AT NEXT DOOR.
IT'S LIKE, WHY ARE THEY BUILDING MORE APARTMENTS? AND SO NOW WE MIGHT HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, YOU KNOW.
YEAH I THINK IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK APPROACH.
I KNOW WE HAVE VARIOUS SLIDES FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD VENUE.
AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS UNIQUE.
AND THEN YOU SEE ALL THE OTHER CITIES THAT KIND OF CAME ON BOARD.
WHAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE WAS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING COMPONENT, AND WE INCLUDED THAT IN OURS.
NOW, LET'S HOPE WE DON'T GET CHALLENGED.
BUT WITH OUR PROVISION, IT SAYS THAT BEFORE YOU FILE THE PROJECT ADMINISTRATIVELY, YOU MUST CONDUCT A MEETING IN THE COMMUNITY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DO NOW WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS. AND THAT'S WITHIN LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS GIVING THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THAT THE PROJECT IS THE PROJECT IS BEING FILED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
BUT WE DID PUT THAT IN OUR GUIDELINES.
YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY GETTING TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THESE DEVELOPERS, THEY MIGHT HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT THEN THEY JUST POST A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY SAYING, OKAY, THIS LAND IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR X USE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
CAN WE REQUIRE THEM TO SEND A MAILER OUT TO THE ENTIRE CITY? IS IS IS THAT OR COMMUNICATE ANY OBJECTION ON THAT PART OR COMMUNICATE TO THE ENTIRE CITY? BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GOING TO POP UP.
AND COUPLED WITH, I THINK, SOMETHING THAT GOVERNOR DESANTIS CAME INTO SOMETHING GREATER THAN WE'RE DOING ALL THE PROJECTS. NO.
YEAH. I THINK THERE IS A PLAN A, THERE'S A LAW THAT GOVERNOR DESANTIS CAME IN WITH THAT SAID DEVELOPERS WHO ARE DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING GETS A LOT OF STATE FUNDING.
IT'S THE SAME LEVEL. IT'S THE SAME ONE.
OKAY. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A SLEW OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT THE CITY COMMISSION CAN DO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME SAFEGUARDS, YOU KNOW.
MAYBE THAT COMMUNITY MEETING COMPONENT.
LET ME JUST SPEAK TO THAT BEFORE YOU.
YEAH. SO WHAT WE DID IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY REQUIRED.
THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THE CODE OUTLINES WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THE MEETING.
SO YOU HAVE TO INVITE THE PEOPLE WITHIN 400FT.
YOU MUST ALSO PRESENT THE PROJECT.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE NOTES IN TERMS OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GATHER AT THE MEETING.
SO THIS IS US MAKING SURE THAT THE MEETING, ALL MEETINGS ARE BEING CONDUCTED IN THE SAME MANNER.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PRESENT YOUR OFFICE.
SO IN THE GUIDELINES, WE JUST PREFACE THAT SECTION.
WE DIDN'T CREATE SOMETHING UNIQUE FOR LIVE LOCAL.
THIS IS A PROVISION THAT ALL OTHER PROJECTS ARE SUBJECT TO.
WHAT WE DID WAS JUST REFERENCE THAT SECTION.
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CITY. SO AND THEN THE TIME OF THE MEETINGS TO CAN WE IT HAS THE TIME OF THE MEETING MUST BE AFTER 5 P.M.SO I WAS JUST CONCERNED IF WE MADE A CHANGE.
I JUST I'M JUST CONCERNED IN TERMS OF CHALLENGES.
AND THEY CAN COME IN. I MEAN, AND IT'S LIKE 400FT TOO.
WELL, THAT'S. MADAM MAYOR, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE CODE 400FT REQUIREMENT.
THE CITY CAN ALSO TAKE ADDITIONAL STEPS TO PROVIDE MORE NOTICE OUTSIDE THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
AGAIN. THAT COST CAN BE TRANSFERRED TO THE DEVELOPER.
OKAY. SO IF THEY WANT TO FIGHT US IN COURT OVER THAT, WE DEAL WITH IT.
WE ARE ACTUALLY ON THE SAME PAGE.
FALL OFF YOUR CHAIR. DO NOT FALL OFF YOUR CHAIR.
HEY. FOR BOTH OF YOU GENTLEMEN, AT LEAST THIS EARLY IN THE AFTERNOON IT'S GOING TO BE TEMPORARY.
LET'S BE REALISTIC. COMMISSIONER.
OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS? A FEW QUESTIONS.
SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A HIGH NUMBER FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL.
I MEAN, THE RESIDENTS WANT MORE OF THAT STUFF.
I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ISSUE IN BAL HARBOR.
THERE WAS A BIG ISSUE THAT HAPPENED OUT THERE WITH BILLING BUILDING.
AT THE BAL HARBOR SHOPS WHERE THEIR COMMISSION ACTUALLY PUT IN YOU KNOW, ORDINANCES AND STUFF TO KIND OF DETER THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT IT IN THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE DEVALUING THE PROPERTIES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THEY PUT IS THAT FOR THE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS THEY CAN'T CONSTRUCT IN THE WATER.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT THEY PUT AS WELL, THEY CAN'T DO CONSTRUCTIONS ON WEEKENDS.
SO THEY, THEY KIND OF ALTER THEIR CODE AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO KIND OF DETER PEOPLE FROM THE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT 40% AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN BAR HARBOR.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A SUPER AFFLUENT COMMUNITY.
YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S IT WAS A BIG ISSUE IN THE NEWS I SAW THAT.
SO I STARTED TO SAY, LIKE YOU SAID, BOCA WAS THE FIRST TO DO IT.
WHAT OTHER CITIES AROUND US LIKE HAVE PROJECTS WITH THE LIVE LOCAL? I THINK MIRAMAR HAD A PROJECT RECENTLY WHERE THERE WAS SOME SORT OF ISSUES.
IS IT GEARED TOWARDS LIKE SUPER AFFLUENT PLACES? IS IT GEARED TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, CITIES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE CLASS? WHAT ARE THE CITIES AROUND US HAVE, HAVE THIS? AND ARE WE GOING TO REALLY HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN WITH LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS? IT IS LIKELY IT'S A MANDATE.
EVERY SINGLE CITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS IT, PROVIDED YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT, YOU HAVE THOSE, THEN THE MANDATE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN BE BUILT IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO WE THINK THAT IS THAT NUMBER.
YEAH. SO THIS MANDATE OF 20% OR LESS HAVING INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC QUALIFIED BECAUSE OUR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL BASE IS ONLY 11%. THAT IN AND OF ITSELF MAKES IT A BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR LIVE LOCAL TO HAPPEN HERE IN TAMARAC, BECAUSE IT MUST BE MIXED USE.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT MIXED USE COMPONENT IS NOT WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS SPECIALIZE IN.
THEY SPECIALIZE IN JUST BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
ABSOLUTELY. AND I'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
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SO YOU WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND BY HAVING THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND ALL THE STUFF THAT WE WILL DO WITH ANY REGULAR PROJECT THAT'S NOT LIVE LOCALS BECAUSE IT'S DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IN BAR HARBOR IS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO HAD THE RESOURCES, HAVE THE MONEY, WERE ABLE TO GO AND FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT THE PROJECT AND HIRE THEIR OWN ATTORNEYS.
BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THIS COMPONENT WHERE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE DOING IT BASED ON TIMES.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PART OF IT, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THE POWERS OF THE COMMISSION AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND RENT AND BLAME US, IT'S DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT WE ARE STILL BEING ENGAGED.
AND THE GOVERNMENT, AS CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE, WAS STILL MAKING SURE THEIR VOICES ARE HEARD.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPONENT AND THAT'S A GOOD PART OF IT.
IN TERMS OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT IS THE ARMY? WHAT WHAT IS IT FOR? THE LIVE LOOK GO FROM.
I SAW YOUR NUMBERS. I SAW FROM 30 BASED ON HUD UP UNTIL ONE, 22, 20 TO 1 20 TO 120, WHICH IS BROWARD IS LIKE, WHAT IS IT? THE AREA WHERE WE BASED IT ON BROWARD OR DOES TAMARAC KNOW? BUT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GOING TO BE THE CHART.
SO YOU CAN OFFER THOSE UNITS SO THE DEVELOPER CAN BUILD 40% OF MODERATE INCOME, THEY CAN BUILD 40% OF THE UNITS AT 120 AND STILL BE LIVE LOCAL, RIGHT? YES. FOR THEM, FOR THEM.
SO THEY CAN DO 40%, ALL OF WHICH IS 120.
WE'RE ALL WONDERING WHY WE EVEN GO INTO THE QUESTION.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO DO THAT MIXED USE COMPONENT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING.
THEY STILL HAVE TO DO THAT MIX.
AND YOU SAID THE NO GO LADIES.
YOU KNOW TO HAVE THE BUSINESS IN PLACE.
CAN WE REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THE BUSINESS IN PLACE.
DIFFICULT. YEAH, THAT CAN BE A BIT DIFFICULT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY STATE LAW HAS A PROVISION THAT IN SOME INSTANCES WE CAN'T EVEN ASK THEM.
BUT IT JUST MAKES IT DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEN THEY'LL JUST HAVE THE SPACE EMPTY.
NOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON UNIVERSITY.
THAT WAS. YEAH, THAT WAS JUST A TOUGH ONE.
HOW MUCH LIKE HOW MANY FLOORS? DEPENDING ON THE STORY, HEIGHT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO 6 IF YOU'RE DOING 12 TO 13FT PER FLOOR.
YEAH. SO THE MINIMUM WAS WHAT, 5 TO 6.
IF YOU'RE DOING YOU SAY HOW MANY STORIES? I SAY 5 TO 6 STORIES OR 5 TO 6 STORIES.
YOU'RE DOING ABOUT 12 TO 13FT PER.
OKAY. OKAY. SO MORE OR LESS WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ALREADY IN OUR LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU GUYS KEEP TALKING, THE MORE MY HEAD GOES TO.
SO AND I'LL GO IN REVERSE HERE.
IS THERE A WAY TO PUT THAT YOU DON'T GET YOUR OCCUPANCY FOR YOUR FIRST TENANT TO MOVE IN UNTIL YOU'RE 85% BUILT OUT FOR YOUR COMMERCIAL PORTION? YEAH.
WE PUT IT'S ALREADY IN THERE THAT THE COMMERCIAL.
LOOK THERE'S THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HANS SAID IN THE BEGINNING, AND THEN HE THANKFULLY CHANGED.
SO MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE 400FT OR A MINIMUM OF 100FT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONSISTENCY FOR WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
AS MAKING IT APPLY TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHICH MAKES IT THE REGULATIONS FIT.
AND THEY CAN'T SAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE OVERREACHING AND DOING SOMETHING TO BE EXACTLY.
VINDICTIVE, OFFENSIVE OR SOMETHING TO THE LIVE LOCAL.
BUT THE FACT IS, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT HAS, THE NORTHERN GOVERNMENT HAS DECIDED THAT OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHERE IT DOES NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO BE FOR RESIDENTIAL, DOES NOT HAVE THOSE BUS STOPS USUALLY EITHER.
FOR THAT MAJOR TRANSPORTATION HUB, WE'D BE ABLE TO UTILIZE TO GIVE NOTICE AND STUFF, TO BE ABLE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT REALLY WHERE OUR HANDS ARE SOMEWHAT TIED.
SO I'LL JUST GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL WHAT CAN WE DO FOR PENALTIES? I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IT'S IN THERE FOR IF LET ME.
I HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT.
WHETHER IT'S FOR SALE OR FOR RENT.
RENT IS A LITTLE HARDER, BUT FOR SALE.
AND I'VE SOLD IT TO TO MYSELF.
I MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
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I MAY NOT MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS BECAUSE THANKFULLY, I'VE GOT A BETTER JOB.YOU'RE GOING TO KICK ME OUT OF MY HOME.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? OR I GOT A BETTER JOB.
SO MUCH OF A BETTER JOB. I'VE MOVED OUT.
I'VE MOVED TO SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT I'M SUBLETTING MY FLOODING MY PROPERTY.
WE DON'T HAVE RULES IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SUBLET.
PERSON MEETS THE QUALIFICATION.
THAT UNIT CAN ALLEGEDLY STILL BE CALLED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BECAUSE IT MEETS THE 30 YEAR ON THE RECORDED INFORMATION.
BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HELP? TO MAKE SURE IT ACTUALLY IS? BECAUSE I WAS TALKING TO A GENTLEMAN FROM THE KEYS WHEN HE WAS DEALING WITH THIS FOR HIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE THERE.
WHAT IS IT BEING IN PLACE TO KEEP AFFORDABLE THE 30 YEARS AND THE TRACKING OF IT? AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, IF I'M NO LONGER HERE, I GIVE IT TO MY KIDS, MY ESTATE PLANNING? THANKFULLY, MY KIDS ARE DOING SO MUCH BETTER THAN I.
THEY DON'T QUALIFY, BUT I CAN'T BE TOLD I CAN'T DEED MY OWN PROPERTY TO MY FAMILY.
SO HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY HITTING THOSE BENCHMARKS TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THE 30 YEARS? YEAH, WE WERE TALKING IN REGARDS TO THE REGULATORY COMPLIANCE SECTION, WHICH IS SUBSECTION SEVEN.
AND THEN THERE'S AN EXPIRATION OF LOSS OF QUALIFYING DEVELOPMENT STATUS.
THERE'S A PENALTY PROVISION AS WELL.
YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT OKAY.
YEAH. MY MY COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM DEALING WITH YEARS OF WORKING FOR A NONPROFIT THAT HAD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND KNOWING THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME UNITS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PLAYED WITH.
AND THE THING SEEMS TO GO FOR RENTALS AS WELL, IF YOU CONTINUE TO USE MY INCOME.
BUT I GIVE IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE FINE.
I'M NOT LIVING THERE. I'M JUST SAYING, IN GENERAL, JUST, YOU KNOW.
THAT'S ACTUALLY MY MOM'S CONDO.
MY MOM'S CO-OP IN NEW YORK JUST HAD THESE RULES COMING OUT AS WELL, RIGHT? EXACTLY. SO THESE ARE ALL THEY'RE PUTTING IN NEW RULES IN PLACE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PENALTY AND A MINOR MECHANISM.
BUT MY POINT BEING IS I THINK IT MAY NEED TO BE STRONGER.
AND I'M SORRY, $250 A DAY DOES NOT REALLY PENALIZE ANYBODY WHO IS DOING WHO IS PENALIZING THE OWNER OF A BUILDING, WHO I'M DEVELOPING AND I'M OUT, WHO'S PAYING IT? THE HOMEOWNER, THE PERSON WHO'S NO LONGER THERE? LIKE, NO, BECAUSE IF IT'S A RENTAL PRODUCT, PRIMARILY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LANDLORD OR OWNER OF THE RENTAL PRODUCT.
SO IT'S THEM THAT IS BEING THEY'RE BEING PENALIZED.
THERE'S A CURE PROVISION. WE ALREADY WE ALSO HAVE THERE'S A PROVISION THAT DEALS WITH RECORDINGS OF THE COVENANT HAS TO BE RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTY TO PUT THE WORLD ON NOTICE. AND THEN THERE'S AN ANNUAL REPORTING AND REVIEWING.
I UNDERSTAND I JUST I GUESS I'M GIVING YOU MY LESSON, POSITIVE REVIEW OF CERTAIN THINGS THAT I, I KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, IS OUT THERE AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE STRONGER STOPGAPS THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE IT IN HERE.
YEAH. AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A GOOD JOB.
I JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE NOT IT'S NOT PERFECT.
IT'S NOT PERFECT. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT PERFECT.
IT'S NOT. THE TEETH ARE ROUNDED IN THAT BITE.
THERE'S NOTHING SHARP ABOUT IT AT ALL.
I'M MAKING MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY ON WHAT I'M DOING.
RIGHT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BOTHER ME NONE.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS ASKING IF THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL FOR STRENGTHENING IT.
IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE ON THAT.
AND I KNOW THE NEXT COMMENT I'M GOING TO QUESTION, I'M GOING TO ASK IS PROBABLY DEFINITELY A NO.
BUT WE'RE ALSO GOOD BECAUSE WE'RE AT 11.9%.
SO TO REZONE, TO COMPLETELY SQUISH OUT SOME OF THE REST OF IT IS PROBABLY NOT ALLOWABLE.
SO I'LL JUST SAY I LEFT THAT ONE THERE.
MIXED USE. RESIDENTIAL? YES. RESIDENTIAL. YEAH.
YEAH. SO A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON THE UP TO 20% PART OF THE PARKING WHEN I'M LOOKING AT 19 PAGE 19, PARAGRAPH D FOR PARKING AND.
IT'S 19 TWO WITH ONE HALF MILE OF MAJOR TRANSIT AS DETERMINED.
MAY REQUEST UP TO 5% REDUCTION.
THAT'S A TYPO. I JUST WANTED IT OUT THIS MORNING.
[04:00:01]
SORRY. YOU KNOW WHAT THIS WAS, I THOUGHT, BUT AT LEAST IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL 5%.YES, THIS WAS PREPARED BEFORE THE GLITCH BILL.
SO THE GLITCH BILL IS WHAT MOVED FROM 5% TO UP TO 20%.
HOWEVER, DO WE REALLY FEEL THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A BUS STOP THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY A MAJOR TRANSIT STOP? BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN WE SHOULD POSSIBLY SAY SOLELY BEING LOCATED NEXT TO A SIDEWALK AND A BUS STOP AND A BUS STOP THAT MIGHT HAVE A SHELTER EVENTUALLY, WHICH SEPARATELY, MAYBE WE CAN GET AN UPDATE ON WHEN OUR BUS SHELTERS ARE COMING IN THE 45 THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR TWO YEARS FROM THE COUNTY.
YOU GOT A SIDEWALK. THEREFORE THEY MIGHT.
MAYOR, BECAUSE THE ACT, THE AMENDED ACT, DEFINED DEFINE THAT FOR US.
SO THEY DEFINE MAJOR TRANSPORTATION HUB AS ANY TRANSIT STATION, WHETHER BUS, TRAIN OR LIGHT RAIL THAT IS SERVED BY A PUBLIC TRANSIT WITH A MIX OF OTHER TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS WITH A MIX OF OTHER TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
SO WALKING IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
OR A ROAD? THAT'S RIGHT, A STREET.
LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. WHEN YOU GO TO TALLAHASSEE.
YEAH, ADD IT TO THE LEGISLATIVE.
THAT'S WHY YOU ADDED IT. BUT THEY'VE DEFINED IT FOR US.
BUT IT ALSO DOES SAY THAT WHAT WE DEFINE.
SO CAN WE WE CAN BE STRONGER CAN'T WE.
SO THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION.
AND THEREFORE IF IT'S JUST A RED ROUTE BUS WHICH ONLY TAKES YOU AROUND IN BETWEEN THE CITY.
IT DOESN'T, CAN WE? BECAUSE IF NOT, WE'RE GETTING WHAT MAKES IT UNBELIEVABLE FOR ME ON SOME OF THIS IS THE GOOD INTENTIONS THAT THEN GET WIPED OUT BY THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SAYING TO PEOPLE YOU NEED A HOME.
AND KIND OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WE HAD EARLIER, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE ABILITY FOR YOU TO HAVE A CAR BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? YOUR YOUR HOUSE IS BY OR YOUR APARTMENT IS BY A PARKING A BUS STOP, A BUS STOP THAT DOESN'T TAKE YOU ANYWHERE NEAR TO WHERE YOU WORK.
IT DOESN'T TAKE YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY BENEFITING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY TRYING TO BE HELPED, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THAT TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SUFFICIENT YET.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO FIX THIS TO WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING UP TO 20% BECAUSE IT IS NOT A SUFFICIENT MAJOR TRANSPORTATION STOP THE WORD MAJOR.
OKAY. I WOULD LIKE IF WE COULD PLEASE TOUCHING ON WHAT? COMMISSIONER PATTERSON WAS SAYING.
AND I SEE WE HAVE LANDSCAPING IN HERE.
IMPACT FEES. ARE WE ALLOWED TO STILL COLLECT IMPACT FEES? ALL RIGHT. THANKFULLY, THE ACT DID NOT PREEMPT US WHERE THAT IS CONCERNED.
YET WE HAVE TO UPDATE OUR STUDIES.
DO WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE OUR IMPACT FEES LISTED WITHIN HERE? NO THEY'RE NOT. THERE'S A SEPARATE ORDINANCE FOR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES.
DO WE REFERENCE IT WITHIN HERE? NO. WE JUST SAY YOU'RE SUBJECT TO THE FEES AND CERTAIN.
YEAH. ALL THE FEES AND YOUR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES ARE ASSESSED AT BUILDING PERMIT.
SO I KNOW WE CAN'T DO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT WHY CAN'T WE PUT IN.
SOME CERTAIN OR A PERCENTAGE OF OF A NUMBER.
I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE A GENERAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
BUT AND THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE FROM THERE.
BUT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT BEING SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO MAYBE WHAT WOULD HELP ROADWAY TRANSPORTATION KEEPING IT SPECIFIC TO THE I WOULDN'T BE SPECIFIC BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, TEN YEARS DOWN THE LINE WHAT THE NEED WOULD BE OF THE CITY.
UNDERSTOOD. AND I DON'T MIND I DON'T MIND IT BEING FOR THE NEED OF THE CITY.
I AM ASKING FOR IT NOT TO GO TO A CHARITY.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET LIVE LOCAL FUNDS AND HAVE IT GO.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT CHARITIES DON'T HELP THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR CITY, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, BE ACTUAL SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT'S WITHIN OUR CITY THAT WE THAT WE CAN.
[04:05:01]
WITH TANGIBLE CALCULATE? NO. SO I THINK WE SHOULD PUT SOME KIND OF REFERENCE IN OUR RULES THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COMING DOWN THE LANE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR AN AREA AROUND THERE.THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD NEED, LIKE THE MEDIANS OR THE CHANGING OUT LIGHT FIXTURES OR, OR OTHER DIRECTIONAL THINGS OR SIGNAGE OR WALLS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD BE RECEIVING IF WE WERE DOING THIS THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD PUT IT IN VERSUS WAITING TO SEE IF WE CAN MY OPINION, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AROUND AND SEE IF WE GOT SUPPORT TO, HEY, WE CAN TRY IT.
THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY, THANKFULLY, YET BANGING DOWN OUR DOORS.
JUST. JUST LIKE WE'RE SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES.
WE CAN JUST ADD AND DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES.
SO THEY ARE PUT ON NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY THOSE.
AND THOSE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES WILL BE PARKS AND RECREATION.
IT WILL BE TRANSPORTATION AND IT WILL BE GOVERNMENT FACILITIES.
THOSE ARE THE FEES THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, ADDING A COMMUNITY BENEFIT IF YOU NEED TO CALL IT FOR ESTHETICS OR YOU NEED TO SAY SPECIFICALLY FOR WALLS, THIS, THAT OR ANYTHING ELSE LIGHTING.
IF WE'RE COLLECTING TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE, THAT'S WHAT THOSE FUNDS ARE FOR.
SO WE CAN'T COLLECT THAT AND THEN HAVE THEM.
OKAY. THAT'S FINE BECAUSE I'M SAYING BUT JUST SOMEHOW GIVE US A SEPARATE REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE SUBJECT TO SUBJECT TO COMMUNITY BENEFIT FOR PUBLIC PUBLIC PURPOSES.
AND IF YOU NEED TO PUT A THREE MILE RADIUS OR WHATEVER IT IS, I'M JUST YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF WE NEED TO MAKE IT CONSTITUTIONALLY NARROW AND SOUND, I DON'T LIKE NARROW.
I DON'T LIKE NO, NO, BUT WE'RE TAKING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGED.
IF WE'RE TAKING SOMETHING THAT'S A CHALLENGE, YOU NEED TO KIND OF MAKE IT IMPACT FEES.
I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY BENEFITS CANNOT BE EXACTION.
SO WE'LL COME UP WITH A LANGUAGE.
YEAH. BECAUSE I HAVE I THINK SOMETIMES WHAT I'M FINDING, ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT, WHEN YOU LIMIT STUFF TO JUST WHAT THE CITY, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS, IT DOESN'T REACH THE RESIDENTS. AND SO I'M VERY SKEPTICAL OF KEEPING IT NARROW, SKEPTICAL OF NOT USING CHARITIES BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET IT TO THE RESIDENTS.
RIGHT? SO I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THAT.
I'M MORE FOR WHAT MISS PATTERSON WAS SAYING.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THAT, FOR A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY POTENTIALLY ALLOWABLE AND TO GO. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU WANT TO TRY NOT TO GET SUED ON.
ANYWAY. IT'S IT'S SOMETHING FOR STILL FURTHER DISCUSSION TO DO.
ON THE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING, DOES IT REQUIRE THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE FROM CITY STAFF ATTEND OR JUST THAT WE GET A REPORT? FORGIVE ME. I KNOW IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO, BUT I THINK AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, AS A CITY STAFF PERSON SHOULD BE THERE, BECAUSE HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TELLING US THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH A REPORT? AND REMEMBER, THIS REMEMBER, THIS IS A PROVISION WE PUT IN IN 2018 WHEN WE DID THE CODE REWRITE.
THIS IS WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE CURRENTLY DOING.
I KNOW. AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT NORMALLY IN THE PAST BEFORE WE PUT IT IN THE CODE.
THE STAFF IS ALREADY IN FAVOR.
THE CITY IS ALREADY IN FAVOR OF A PROJECT.
SO, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, THEY THINK SO ANYWAY, WHETHER YOU'RE THERE OR NOT.
IF WE HAVE A PRESENTATION AND A PLAN IN PLACE, THEY'RE MAD AT US BECAUSE IT MUST BE A DONE DEAL.
WE'RE NOT WINNING FOR LOSING ON SOME OF THIS.
IT'S JUST THE WAY DEVELOPMENT GOES AND THE WAY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT GETS DEVELOPED.
[04:10:08]
NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD BE GIVEN LIES OR UNTRUTHS OR EXAGGERATED INFORMATION, BUT I GUESS YOU COULD TELL I'M AT THAT POINT WHERE I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH ALL THE TRUST THAT I'VE HAD KEEPING IT RIGHT.AND SO MONITORING IT AND NOT HAVING US BE FOOLISH, BE MADE A FOOL OF BECAUSE WE TRUSTED.
AND THEN PART OF THE CONCERN IS THE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
DOES THIS REQUIRE THEM TO BRING IT UP TO CODE THE WHOLE ENTIRE AREA TO MAKE SURE FOR WEIGHT BEARING FOR ROADWAY, FOR SEWAGE, FOR LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING AND DAMAGE TO THE OTHER AREA.
IT DOES. THERE ARE STUDIES THAT THEY HAVE TO DO PRIMARILY IF THEY'RE IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
NOW YOU'RE INTRODUCING HOMES IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA OR RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT.
SO THERE ARE STUDY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN HERE.
OKAY. AND THEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH YOUR REGULAR SITE PLAN PROCESS WHICH HAS ALL THE DISCIPLINES.
SO WHATEVER THEY WOULD NEED TO DO RELATIVE TO PUBLIC SERVICE AND FIRE.
AND YOU KNOW, FOR THE PROJECT, THEY'RE STILL REVIEWING IT AT DRC.
COMMISSIONER DANIEL. VICE MAYOR DANIEL, DID YOU WANT TO GO AGAIN? SURE. THAT WAS JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO MY SO.
AND I THINK EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ME, I'M ALL FOR COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
THAT'S LIKE ONE OF MY BIG PURPOSES.
I'M MORE INTO WHAT COMMISSIONER PATTERSON SAID.
HAVING SOMETHING IN SOME TYPE OF POLICY IN PLACE THAT NO MATTER WHAT DEVELOPMENT COME IN, THEY KNOW IF YOU COME TO TAMARAC, YOU HAVE TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS OR WHATEVER NEED WE HAVE AT THAT TIME.
SO I WOULDN'T WANT ANYTHING WE PUT IN THIS GUIDELINE TO BE SO SPECIFIC WHERE IT, IT, IT HOLD US IN BONDAGE. YEAH.
WE'LL ADD SOMETHING AND RUN IT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S LEGALLY SOUND.
NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING CHARITY.
THERE'S A NEED FOR CHARITY. THAT'S WHY THEY EXIST.
SO WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US ON THIS OTHER THAN JUST SHARING THE INFORMATION WITH US? YES, SHARE THE INFORMATION.
AND WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK.
WE'LL MAKE SOME CHANGES TO WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON WEDNESDAY ON FIRST READING.
PRIMARILY AS IT RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, I THINK WE HEARD A MINIMUM OF 100FT INTO RESIDENTIAL TO ADD THAT MAKE SURE THEY ARE AWARE THAT THEY'RE SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WILL CRAFT A COMMUNITY BENEFITS SENTENCE OR SOMETHING TO PUT NEXT TO THE FEE AREA TO PUT THEM ON NOTICE WHERE THAT IS CONCERNED AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS CURRENTLY 255.
WE NEED TO HAVE OUR MICROPHONES CHARGED FOR AT LEAST 15 MINUTES.
GET YOUR CAFFEINE, GO TO THE RESTROOM.
CAN WE JUST FIND YOU A NEW MICROPHONE? WE CAN TALK ABOUT BUDGET ANOTHER TIME.
WHERE ARE WE GOING? TO GET SOME NEW BIKES.
315 LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH PROBABLY IS.
WHAT IS IT, ME OR DID IT GET WARM? IT GETS HOT AND COLD IN HERE TODAY.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS ME AND MY PERSONAL SUMMER.
[1.g TO2578 - An ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, amending Chapter 10 of the City of Tamarac Code of Ordinances, entitled “Land Development Code” by amending Article 2 entitled “Zoning Districts”, by specifically amending section 10-2.5, entitled “Planned Development District”, adding the commercial land use designation as one of the required supporting land uses for the planned development zoning district and allowing for the assignment of residential units from available flexibility and/or redevelopment units for bonus density greater than fifty (50) units per acre in accordance with the city’s comprehensive plan; providing for codification; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date. ]
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER TEN OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC CODE OF ORDINANCES ENTITLED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY AMENDING ARTICLE TWO ENTITLED ZONING DISTRICTS.BY SPECIFICALLY AMENDING SECTION TEN DASH 2.5 ENTITLED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, ADDING THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION AS ONE REQUIRED SUPPORTING LAND USES FOR THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT AND ALLOWING FOR THE ASSIGNMENT OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS FROM AVAILABLE FLEXIBILITY AND OR REDEVELOPMENT UNITS FOR BONUS DENSITY GREATER THAN 50 UNITS PER ACRE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.
AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MAXINE CALLOWAY FLOOR IS YOURS.
FOR THE RECORD, MAXINE CALLOWAY DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
THIS ITEM WILL APPEAR AS 27528 ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA AND IT WILL APPEAR FOR FIRST READING THIS.
[04:15:06]
THIS ITEM IS DOING A COUPLE OF THINGS AND IS IN RESPONSE TO SOME VISIONARY DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST.SO JUST TO PUT SOME CONTEXT ON THIS ITEM, BACK IN APRIL 2023, WE AMENDED THE CODE AT THE TIME.
SPECIFICALLY, WE CREATED A PROVISION FOR THE LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER.
WE HAVE A POOL OF UNITS, BUT THERE WAS NO GUIDELINES ON HOW THESE UNITS WERE DISTRIBUTED.
AND SO BACK IN BACK IN 2023, WE CREATED THOSE GUIDELINES.
SO ON COMMUNITY BENEFITS, THAT'S WHAT WE DID BACK IN 2023.
AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS TO CREATE ADDITIONAL LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTERS ON 441 UNIVERSITY DRIVE, COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, FURTHER GOING EAST, SO WE CAN PROMOTE AND FACILITATE SMART GROWTH ON THESE MAJOR CORRIDORS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT SMART GROWTH AS A PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS, US, AND WE IDENTIFIED OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS AS WAYS TO FOCUS AND TARGET AREAS TO PROMOTE INTENSITY AND DENSITY GOING FORWARD.
SO THIS AMENDMENT ESSENTIALLY WOULD ALLOW US TO SET A FOUNDATION TO PUT PD NOT ON TOP OF OUR LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER ONLY, BUT ON TOP OF OUR COMMERCE DESIGNATION.
SO LIKE YOUR TAMARAC VILLAGE WHERE YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY IN DENSITY AND THAT THAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT OVER 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW THE PD ZONING DISTRICT TO NOT ONLY SERVE ON TOP OF THE LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER, NOW, IT WOULD SERVE ON TOP OF A COMMERCE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE ARE AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, BROWARD COUNTY IS DOING THERE.
SO THIS AMENDMENT WOULD HELP TO FURTHER THAT POLICY.
SO THIS IS BROWARD COUNTY LAND USE MAP.
AND THE RED IS YOUR COMMERCE DESIGNATION.
SO YOU'RE SEEING JUST THE AREAS THAT ARE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
THERE'S A BETTER MAP BECAUSE I SEE THE COMMISSIONERS JUST LIKE, OKAY, I CAN'T FIGURE THIS OUT.
SO I HAVE ANOTHER MAP THAT I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE.
SO THIS IS SHOWING YOU THE CHANGE IN RED.
THIS IS JUST MAKING IT POSSIBLE.
THIS IS IN YOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THIS IS YOUR APPLICABILITY SECTION.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS ESTABLISHED AND INTENDED TO PERMIT LOTS AND TRACTS OF LAND THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY AN UNDERLYING LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER LAND USE DESIGNATION. WE'RE ADDING THE WORD OUR COMMERCIAL.
SO NOW THE PD CAN BE SUPPORTED BY COMMERCIAL LAND USE AS WELL AS LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER.
SECTION B THE RED IS SHOWING THE CHANGE TO THE TEXT.
SO AS IT IS NOW, IT'S JUST THE LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER UNITS WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO DISPERSE.
NOW WE'RE ADDING MAKING A DISTINCTION THAT WE CAN DISPERSE THE LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER UNITS.
AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION PROPERTIES WE CAN DO THE SAME.
SO THIS IS A MAP THAT IS SHOWING OUR LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER THAT'S IN THE BLUE AREA, THAT'S ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, AND THE RED IS SHOWING WHERE OUR COMMERCE OR COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION IS.
SO THIS CHANGE WILL ALLOW THESE AREAS TO BE ACTIVATED.
IF SOMEONE WERE TO FILE A REZONING APPLICATION FOR THE PD DESIGNATION.
AND JUST TO BRING SOME CONTEXT TO THE DISCUSSION, THE FLEX AND THE RESERVE UNIT IS WHAT WE WOULD USE TO PROVIDE DENSITY TO PROJECTS THAT ARE DOING THIS WITH THE PD AND THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.
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AND I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT UNITS IN OUR FLEX AND RESERVE BANK, OVER 1500 IN THE FLEX AND RESERVE, AND WE HAVE OVER 1100 IN OUR LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER BANK AS WELL FOR UNITS.AND FINALLY, JUST TO IDENTIFY SOME PROJECTS THAT WE BELIEVE MIGHT BENEFIT FROM THIS TEXT CHANGE, IS THE PROJECT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT COMMISSIONER ON UNIVERSITY DRIVE MIGHT BE ONE OF THE FIRST BENEFICIARY FROM THIS CHANGE.
HOWEVER, FOR THAT PROJECT TO BENEFIT, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO FILE A REZONING TO GET THAT PD ZONING DISTRICT THAT WILL OPERATE ON TOP OF THE COMMERCE LAND USE. THE PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OWNS ON STATE ROAD SEVEN WOULD BE A BENEFICIARY AS WELL.
WE INTEND TO REDEVELOP THAT AS MIXED USE, SO THAT TOO IN THE FUTURE WOULD BENEFIT.
WE'RE JUST MAKING THE TEXT CHANGE SO IT'S AVAILABLE.
AND THIS IS JUST SAYING THAT ALL THE REVIEW STANDARDS WERE MET AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
GO AHEAD. I'M NOT GOING FIRST.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP? JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED AS WELL.
THAT'S WHERE IT COULD BE UTILIZED IN THE FUTURE.
THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS SETTING THE FOUNDATION.
BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY CHANGING OUR TEXT TO ALLOW IT.
SO THE BLUE IS YOUR LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER AND THE RED AND THE RED IS YOUR COMMERCIAL LAND USE.
WAIT. WHAT? WAIT. YOUR COMMERCIAL LAND USE.
NO. BLUE IS WHAT? I'M SORRY. YOUR LOCAL ACTIVITY CENTER.
YES, IT'S ON COMMERCIAL. IT'S REALLY LONG.
OH, OKAY. OKAY. AND ACTUALLY, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF IT OVER THERE, BUT IT GOES INTO WHERE? THE PUBLIX AT PLAZA.
YES. YEAH. OH, BY THE WAY, OFF TOPIC, I APOLOGIZE.
NICE WORK ON THAT. PUBLIX FIXING UP HIS PLAZA.
WE HAVE GOTTEN SO MANY. OH, I LOVE IT.
THEY'RE DOING THEY'VE BEEN DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.
CLAUSES ARE WORKING REALLY HARD.
IT LOOKS GREAT. IT LOOKS GREAT.
AND IT JUST MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
LIKE THE COMMUNITY CENTER, A LITTLE BIT OF PAINT.
YEAH. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. WAS A NICE CHRISTMAS PRESENT.
AND WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME GREAT COMMENTS.
YEAH. LOOK AS LONG AS IT'S CIVIL, I DON'T CARE.
WITH. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
SO NOW ON THE RED WE'RE ALLOWING THE SAME.
THE TEXT WILL BE FOR AREAS IN RED.
YES, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY IN ALL THESE RED AREAS.
YES. TO DO A ZONING CHANGE IF THEY SO WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR THEM TO APPLY PD, AND FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO APPLY PD BECAUSE THE ZONING NOW IS NOT PD.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A REZONING.
RIGHT. BUT WE'RE ALLOWING IT THERE.
SO THE TEXT MAKES I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
IF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THAT THE RED BLOTCHES OR THE RED BOXES, THEY CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REZONE TO PD AND DO MIXED USE. YES.
OKAY. ALL THE BLUE ONES CURRENTLY ALREADY HAVE IT.
YES. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR FUTURE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLTON, THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
WELL, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ONE AND DONE ON THAT ONE.
SO IT SO IT IS. 325 QUICK! WE'LL SEE. ALRIGHT.
[1.h Discussion and Consensus on the Appointment of a Representative and an Alternate Representative to the Solid Waste Disposal and Recyclable Materials Processing Authority of Broward County. Presented by City Clerk Kimberly Dillon ]
ONE H DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS ON APPOINTMENT OF THE OF A REPRESENTATIVE AND ALTERNATE REPRESENTATIVE TO SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL.THIS IS REALLY A PRETTY SIMPLE APPOINTMENT.
THAT WAS BACK IN 2023, WHEN THE COMMISSION APPOINTED COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS AS THE PRIMARY AND THE NEW MAYOR AS THE ALTERNATE. SO WE ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF ASKING FOR APPOINTMENTS.
[04:25:03]
OKAY, SO THIS ACTUALLY HAS BEEN GOING ON.FOR YEARS I WOULD SAY, WHAT, 20 1314? IT'S BEEN A REALLY LONG TIME.
I WENT TO A MEETING BECAUSE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS WAS NOT THE COMMISSIONER ANY LONGER.
IN DECEMBER, I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO STEP UP AND STEP IN JUST AS MUCH AS THE REAL ESTATE ONE, THE HOUSING ONE IS IMPORTANT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLEASE GO AND BRING US BACK INFORMATION.
BECAUSE IT DEALS WITH OUR SOLID WASTE AND WHAT OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IS NOW FOR PROCESSING IT.
AND CERTAIN STEPS ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
SO I'M OPEN THE FLOOR FOR EITHER QUESTIONS OR BIDS OR NOMINATIONS.
WHEN ARE THE MEETINGS, MAYOR? HE'S LOOKING AT 10:00 SOME FRIDAY.
ONCE A MONTH FOR SURE, ONCE A MONTH.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON THE.
COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. I'LL NOMINATE YOU.
YOU DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE SERVING? I WILL IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO, BUT I'M OKAY.
NOT. OR I'LL STAY IN AN ALTERNATE CAPACITY.
I NOMINATE YOU, MAYOR, AND I'D LIKE TO BE ALTERNATE.
THAT'S A GOOD DAY. NO, THERE'S PEOPLE DON'T DON'T.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WORK. THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
OH. YOU DO? I'M ON MPO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ATTAINABLE.
I AM THE CHAIR OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
NO, IT WAS PART OF THIS. IT'S A SUBSECTION OF.
I'M ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE.
I'M ON SEVERAL COMMITTEES. I'M GOOD.
I'M THE SECRETARY AND TREASURER FOR IT.
I'M ON. MAYOR, I NOMINATE COMMISSIONER.
RIGHT. OH, COMMISSIONER, I'M NOT REALLY SURE I WANT THIS ONE.
I WAS KICKING THE BALL. NO NO NO NO, I WAS I'M HUMBLED.
BUT MY SCHEDULE WOULDN'T ALLOW ME TO SHOW UP ON, ON ON FRIDAYS.
AS OF NOW, MY SCHEDULE WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT.
I'LL NOMINATE YOU, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON AND COMMISSIONER BOLTON AS THE AS THE BACKUP.
I WAS RECENTLY, I WAS I JUST SAID AN I DO TODAY.
I'M NOT DOING MY FOURTH I DO I'M TRYING TO FIND YOU THE SCHEDULE.
NO, WHAT WE HAVE IS 2000 ENDS OF 2000.
THE BACKUP SAYS, LET ME JUST HOW LONG IS THE APPOINTMENT? IS THE. IS MY QUESTION THE NEXT MEETING? IT'S ONE YEAR. HOW LONG IS THE APPOINTMENT FOR THE OTHER ONE? THEY JUST APPOINTED ME TO.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ONE YEAR.
SO FOR THE PERSON THEY REQUIRE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE IN PERSON IN ORDER TO GET QUORUM.
I'M TRYING TO GET THE DATES BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THE DATES.
JANUARY 24TH IS THE NEXT MEETING.
YEAH. I THINK WE PUT IT IN FRIDAY.
YEAH. IT HAS BEEN EVERY FRIDAY.
SO I MEAN IF NO ONE'S GOING TO DO IT IT'S FINE.
SO THE FREQUENCY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IT WAS ANNUALLY.
IT CHANGED. SO IT'S ONCE A YEAR WAS THAT IT'S ANNUAL.
YOU HAVE TO ATTEND SOME REGIONAL WORKSHOPS, AT LEAST THREE REGIONAL WORKSHOPS WITHIN OKAY.
BUT THE LAST TIME WHAT WE HAD WAS COMMISSIONER.
IT WAS COMMISSIONER. RIGHT? THEN HE ASKED TO HAVE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS I THINK THEN IT WAS VILLALOBOS SO WE CAN REVISIT IT DURING THE NEXT ANNUAL REPORT, BECAUSE IT'S ANNUALLY THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE STRATEGIES, BUT THE MEETINGS ARE HELD AS NECESSARY.
SO IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AND THEN FOR SOLID WASTE, IT IS TWICE PER MONTH.
IT'S BACK TO ONCE A MONTH. ON FRIDAY IT'S A FRIDAY.
IF NEITHER ONE OF YOU DO IT, I MEAN, BECAUSE THEN I'M GOING TO MISS IT.
I'M I WILL DO IT AS LONG AS BECAUSE I HAVE WATER ADVISORY BOARD.
IF IT'S ONLY FOR A YEAR, THIS ONE.
IF IT'S NOT INDEFINITE, I'LL, I'LL.
[04:30:01]
OKAY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO BE YOUR BACKUP IF YOU WANT, BUT IF NOT SURE.IT'S JANUARY 24TH, FEBRUARY 28TH, MARCH 28TH, APRIL 25TH.
FOR RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL GET THE REST OF THE TIME AND LOCATIONS.
I'LL HAVE TO REMOVE THEM FROM MY CALENDAR AND PUT THEM ON YOURS.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THE JANUARY 24TH MEETING IS AT THE PLANT.
IT'S IN THE BOARDROOM PLANTATION.
ALL RIGHT, SO COMMISSIONER PATTERSON IS THE REP AND COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS THE ALTERNATE.
[1.i Discussion and Consensus on Staffing Options for the Office of The Mayor and Commission Presented by Human Resources Director Danielle Durgan ]
NEXT IS DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS ON STAFFING OPTIONS FOR THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR AND COMMISSION, BEING PRESENTED BY RESOURCES HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR DANIELLE BERGEN. THANK.YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONERS. DANIELLE BERGEN, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.
THESE PROPOSALS REPRESENT DIFFERENT MODELS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED.
AND WE'LL RECEIVE THE DIRECTION FROM YOU ON WHAT MODEL YOU THE COMMISSION DESIRE.
SO THE PRESENTATION WILL GO OVER THE CURRENT SUPPORT STRUCTURE AND COSTS.
AND THEN WE'LL ADDRESS TWO PROPOSALS OF SUPPORT STRUCTURE AND COSTS.
THEY ARE TEMPORARY PART TIME PER FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT.
THEY ARE NONEXEMPT SO THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME.
AND THEY DO RECEIVE A FULL ALLOWANCE OF $50 A MONTH.
THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ANNUAL INCREASES.
AND CURRENTLY WHAT EXISTS IS THEY ARE THERE 32 HOURS PER ELECTED OFFICIAL AND NOT TO EXCEED 29 HOURS PER WEEK PER INDIVIDUAL CEO, AND NO MORE THAN THREE CELLS PER ELECTED OFFICIAL.
THE OFFICE ALSO CONTAINS SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS.
THOSE ARE NON-BARGAINING REGULAR FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.
THEY ARE NONEXEMPT AND THEIR PAY GRADE IS ZERO FOR N.
SO THIS SLIDE JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT COMMISSIONS SUPPORT WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS RIGHT NOW.
SO THE FISCAL IMPACT CURRENTLY FOR OUR ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS WHAT CURRENTLY IS IN PLACE.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS WHAT THE POTENTIAL.
BECAUSE AGAIN YOU CAN HAVE THREE CELLS PER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SO YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE 15 ON THE RIGHT.
SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IT WOULD AMOUNT TO $464,616.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE FICA TAXES.
SO WITH THESE COSTS, THERE ARE THERE IS A 7.45% FICA TAX THAT WOULD ALSO BE ADDED TO THIS, TO THESE AMOUNTS. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THE COST OF THE POTENTIAL IF FULLY STAFFED IN THE OFFICE.
THE FIRST PROPOSAL INCLUDES A NEW POSITION CALLED THE COMMISSION AIDE.
IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY FULL TIME POSITION PER FLSA.
NONEXEMPT. SO ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME, $25 AN HOUR.
PAY PHONE ALLOWANCE, $50 A MONTH.
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THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVING VACATION, PERSONAL, SICK LEAVE, BEREAVEMENT LIFE INSURANCE, EAP BUT NOT ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN PENSION. SO THIS AGAIN JUST ILLUSTRATES WHAT THAT SUPPORT STAFF CAN LOOK LIKE FOR THE OFFICE.AND THEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISONS, NO MORE THAN THREE.
AGAIN THAT IS AN OPTION THERE.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE WILL GO OVER THAT FISCAL IMPACT.
SO THE 15 CELLS AT 15 HOURS PER WEEK ON AVERAGE.
SO FORTH AND SO ON WITH THE THREE TEMPORARY FULL TIME STAFF OF THE COMMISSION AIDES PLUS THEIR BENEFITS, AND THEN A CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE AMOUNTS TO $741,116. SO THERE IS ANOTHER PROPOSAL.
THIS AGAIN WAS IN THE SURVEY CONDUCTED WITH OTHER CITIES.
THEY ALSO HAVE AN OPTION OF OF HAVING AN FTE PER COMMISSIONER.
SO IF IT'S AS AN EXAMPLE 1.00 FTE, THE COMMISSIONER WOULD DECIDE WOULD CHOOSE EITHER ONE FULL TIME TEMP OR TWO PART TIME, WHICH WOULD EQUATE TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF $78,000.
SO THAT IS A PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN OR THAT'S OTHER CITIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THE THE FISCAL IMPACT WOULD BE AROUND $595,416. AND AGAIN THE 7.45% FICA TAX IS STILL WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED TO THIS AMOUNT AS WELL.
AND I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A GOOD PORTION OF WHAT YOU SAID.
I'M SORRY. PLEASE BRING THEM BACK UP.
OKAY. WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO TO? JUST START THE MEETING.
OKAY. WE HAVE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON.
CORRECT. AND TO AND SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS.
THE SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
THAT HAS NEVER ACTUALLY FINISHED GETTING DONE WAS WHERE ONE PERSON.
ONE PERSON WAS TO ASSIST ME AS MAYOR.
TWO PEOPLE WERE HIRED, SO ONE PERSON WOULD ASSIST TWO PEOPLE.
ANOTHER PERSON WOULD ASSIST ANOTHER TWO PEOPLE HAVING.
THE COMMISSION ASSISTED BY THREE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.
EXCLUSIVE OF THE SEALS, WHICH I DIDN'T GET IN THE 15 AND THREE OF 15 AND SO OVER 45 HOURS.
SO SO THEY AVERAGING RIGHT NOW 15 HOURS PER WEEK.
SO THAT'S WHERE TO GET ACROSS YOUR NUMBERS OKAY.
THE CURRENT LIAISON. THAT'S AN AVERAGE RIGHT LIAISON BASED ON THE COMMISSION.
BUT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AVERAGING 15 HOURS A WEEK.
WELL I DID A PERSON CAN'T BE MORE THAN 20.
RIGHT. THE HOURS, THEIR HOURS THAT THEY WORKED OVER THE YEARS.
ALL OF THEM. ALL OF THEM. THAT'S FINE.
YEAH. SO THAT NUMBER IS WAY BELOW CURRENTLY.
RIGHT. THAT'S LIKE HALF OF THE HOURS THEY'RE WORKING BASED ON WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED.
EACH ONE OF US, OUR AIDES ARE AVERAGING 15 AN HOUR PER WEEK.
YES. YES. 15, 15 HOURS PER WEEK.
AND THAT IS THE COST. CORRECT.
FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE NINE PEOPLE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
CORRECT. THAT'S THE COST. 175.
WHERE DOES THE 15 COME IN FOR THE NEXT ONE? SO THE 15 CALS AGAIN, I JUST USED 15 HOURS A WEEK AS AN AVERAGE TO DETERMINE WHAT IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE IF YOU'RE FULLY STAFFED AT 15 CELLS.
SO YOU HAVE THREE CELLS PER COMMISSIONER THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE.
SO THAT'S A HYPOTHETICAL NUMBER.
YEAH. SO THAT'S A REAL NUMBER ONE.
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75 CURRENTLY EXISTS RIGHT FROM CORRECT.AND WITH THE THREE NEW STAFF AND THE BENEFITS IS ONLY 265.
THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE.
HOW MANY OF WHO WAS GOING TO HAVE THREE IS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S LARGER THAN WHAT WE CAN.
WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS IF WE WERE THIS IS JUST AN A 15 AVERAGE.
THAT WOULD MEAN YOU HAVE EACH ONE OF US HAVE 45 HOURS.
YEAH, EXACTLY. THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M.
BUT I'M. SO WE CAN STILL DO 15 OF 32 TIMES.
IT CAN'T BE IF WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO HIGHER THAN NO.
YES. YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE 15.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY CAN GET 32 AND GO.
WHICH IS WHY IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE.
YES. THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE IS 32 FOR EACH OF US.
SO WE CAN SEE. SO IF ONE OF US GETS $25.
WHAT IF WE MAXED? WHAT IF THE ONE PERSON DOES 32 A WEEK TIMES 25? IT'S 160 TIMES 52 WEEKS, 52 208.
YES. YEAH. BUT THEN YOU ALSO INCLUDE THE FICA.
SO THEY CAN ONLY WORK 29 HOURS, NO MORE THAN 29 HOURS PER WEEK.
RIGHT. SO THEY WOULD ONLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME AFTER MAKING 40 HOURS A WEEK.
SO THEY THERE'S ONLY EXEMPT OR NONEXEMPT STATUSES THAT WE COULD PROVIDE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO EXEMPT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME NOT EXEMPT.
BUT THEIR STATUS IS ALSO PART TIME.
SO THEY HAVE TO STILL WORK AN ADDITIONAL UP TO 40 HOURS TO THEN GET OVERTIME AFTER 40.
OKAY. AND THE THE THE THREE PLUS BENEFITS IS 265.
THAT'S A NEW NUMBER WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING REALLY AND TRULY RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE RIGHT.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S THREE SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS THAT COST THAT THAT COST THAT AMOUNT.
PLUS BENEFITS WOULD BE THE 265 216.
CORRECT. WHAT IS THE NEW COST FOR? THIS IS CURRENTLY CORRECT.
THAT'S THE CURRENT OKAY. CURRENTLY.
OKAY. 6052 63 FOR STAFF PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? ARE WE CURRENTLY ARE.
YEAH. SO FOR PROPOSAL ONE THEY WOULD HAVE THIS IS THE COMMISSION AID PROPOSAL, WHICH WOULD HAVE THE TEMPORARY FULL TIME STAFF.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE $25 AN HOUR FOR THE COMMISSION AID.
34 PLUS THAT WOULD BE THEIR BENEFITS AS WELL.
THE COMMISSION AID THAT'S THE NEW POSITION.
BUT YOU HAVE TWO FULL TIME STAFF AND THREE TEMPORARY.
SO ARE YOU SAYING EACH OF US WHAT IS BEING THERE? FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS NOT BEING USED HERE, SO PLEASE, JUST SPELL IT OUT.
SPIT OUT WHAT IT IS VERSUS WHAT WE'VE GOT.
BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THIS IS A LESSON IN CRYPTOLOGY.
SO THERE'S THREE SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS THAT SO WE WOULD INSTEAD HAVE THREE COMMISSION AIDES TO HAVE A ONE FOR ONE SUPPORT TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
THAT IS A MODEL THAT OTHER OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE.
SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF THREE NEW AIDES.
AGE IS NOT GOING TO COST 234 AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S FINE AS LONG AS IT'S RESPECTABLE.
THERE'S FIVE OF US. ARE YOU SAYING EACH OF US GET TO HAVE OUR FIVE COMMUNITY LIAISONS FOR UP TO
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15? I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT SAYS 15.SO 15. IT'S WHATEVER YOU DECIDE.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING? BECAUSE JUST TO HAVE SOME CLARITY.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT PIQUED MY INTEREST IS BECAUSE LAST YEAR OR IS IT LAST YEAR? IT IS LAST YEAR, 24.
ONE WAS WORKING FOR THE MAYOR.
SO THREE OF US, I'M JUST SAYING THE THE THE THE REALITY, LADY KESHA'S REALITY WAS THAT ONE ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT WAS WORKING FOR THREE COMMISSIONERS, WHILE THE OTHER TWO WERE WORKING FOR TWO.
SO THE WORK WASN'T GETTING DONE AND RESIDENTS WERE COMPLAINING AS IF WE'RE THE BAD GUY.
AND ANOTHER PROBLEM I HAD WAS THAT INFORMATION TO ME THAT SHOULD ONLY BE PRIVATE TO ME WAS SHARED AMONG OTHER COMMISSIONERS. SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SHARE A PERSON.
I TOLD HIM, LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS INFORMATION GOES ON.
WHO IS READING MY EMAIL? BECAUSE HOW DID IT GET TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I DIDN'T SHARE THE INFORMATION.
HOW DID IT GET THERE? SO I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO AND IT WAS UNFAIR FOR ONE PERSON TO WORK FOR THREE AND TWO WORKS FOR TWO.
SO LAST YEAR PEOPLE HAD THEIR INDIVIDUAL PERSON.
SO THAT'S NOT LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE INTENT, BUT THAT'S WHAT OCCURRED.
BUT BUT ON THAT I UNDERSTAND YOUR FEELING OF IT.
BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFICATION.
ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE ELIAN, WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO JUST WORK FOR ME, DID NOT JUST.
NO, NO, BUT BUT LET ME FINISH, PLEASE.
SHE WORKED FOR ALVIN MOST OF THE TIME.
I HAD A LOT OF STUFF ON HOLD BECAUSE SHE WAS WORKING FOR ANOTHER COMMISSIONER.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MAY BE SAYING, THAT ROSS MAY HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR ALL FOUR BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T DO STUFF FOR ME, EVEN ON THE FRIDAY SHE WAS IN.
IT WAS A RARE OCCASION I EVER ASKED HER TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH SHE HAD TO DO.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO A PROBLEM IN PLACE WHERE NO ONE WAS GOING TO THE THIRD PERSON.
THERE WAS NO DIRECTIVE TO SAY ROZ, YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE THESE TWO.
JANET, YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE THESE TWO.
ELLEN, YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ONE PERSON YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING ALL ALONG, WHICH NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT? SO THE PLAN THAT WAS IN PLACE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET DONE.
RIGHT. AND UNDERSTANDABLY, IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO EVEN FIND JANET.
JANET'S NO LONGER HERE. FOR WHATEVER REASON, JANET IS NO LONGER HERE.
WE'VE NEVER HAD DOWNSTAIRS, SO TO SPEAK, AS CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE UPSTAIRS.
AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS DOWN HERE.
WE'VE NEVER HAD THE SUPPORT STAFF THAT WE HAD REQUESTED AND INTENDED TO HAVE.
I HAVE NO IDEA. I KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR QUIRKS.
I'M NOT SAYING I KNOW. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BECAUSE.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE HERE.
YOU'VE BEEN ASKED TO BE HERE TO PRESENT 1 OR 2 DIFFERENT PROPOSALS.
MY PROBLEM IS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR PROPOSALS BECAUSE TO ME, THEY'RE VERY CRYPTIC AND I MUCH PREFER YOU TO COME STRAIGHT OUT AND SAY, PROPOSAL NUMBER ONE IS THIS PROPOSAL NUMBER TWO IS THIS VERSUS BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
IF YOU'RE NOW SAYING TO ME IN THIS ONE, MY FULL TIME STAFF AND BENEFITS PERSON IS WHOM WHAT'S HAPPENED TO ROZ? WHAT'S HAPPENING TO LILLIAN? I WANT TO KEEP LILLIAN.
THERE IS NO CHANGE IN FULL TIME STAFF.
BUT WHAT? BUT THERE COULD BE, IF YOU'RE SAYING.
OR ARE YOU SAYING IF I'M HAVING ALIENS WORKING, SUPPOSED TO REMAIN TO ASSIST ME, AND THEN ROZ, BECAUSE ROZ CAN'T LOSE HER JOB OVER WHATEVER'S GOING ON IS NOT.
IS NOT. I DECIDED TO KEEP ROSS.
OKAY? SO IF COMMISSIONER RIGHTS KEEPING ROSS.
SO YOU'RE THEN SAYING YOU'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL PERSON FOR THE OTHER THREE POSITIONS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? THAT'S THE MODEL THAT IS.
THERE JUST SEEMS. AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING SO EACH PERSON GETS SOMEBODY THE COMMUNITY LIAISON LIAISON STAY THE WAY THEY ARE AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THAT.
I WHATEVER IS THE CHOICE OF JUST FOR THE RECORD PURPOSES.
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SO IF I DECIDE TO KEEP ROSS AND SHE DECIDES TO KEEP ON WHAT HAPPENED TWO YEARS FROM NOW, GOD FORBID SHE'S NO LONGER.I'M NO LONGER HERE. WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR JOB SINCE THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN? RIGHT? THROUGH ATTRITION, POSITIONS WILL BE RECLASSED TO COMMISSIONER.
THAT'S AN ASTERISK NEXT TO THE SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
RIGHT. AND WHAT GUARANTEES DO WE HAVE FOR RA'S AND ILION FOR ACTUALLY GETTING A POSITION SUITABLE TO THEMSELVES? BUT NOT JUST SAYING HERE.
THIS IS THE ONLY POSITION WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY PROBABLY CAN'T STAND.
IT'S IN SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT STAND.
THAT IS ALWAYS BEEN THE INTENT.
SO THEN THEY STAY IN THEIR POSITIONS AND THEN THE NEW DISTRICT ONE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT HAPPY 2030.
WHY WOULD YOU NOT? YOU HIM SAID HE'S NOT GOING TO GET THAT HAPPY.
BECAUSE I'M TERMED OUT IN 2030.
SO ILION IS GOING TO GO WORK FOR THE NEXT MAYOR.
THAT'S NOT THE INTENT IS TO MAINTAIN THEIR POSITION AS IT IS TODAY.
THE POSITIONS WILL BE RECLASSIFIED.
SO YOU'RE SAYING SO THE TWO SENIOR POSITIONS STAY THE SAME.
BUT WHAT IF, AGAIN, IF THE DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S DISTRICT TWO AT THIS POINT AND MAYOR, NEW PEOPLE COME IN, THEY BASICALLY GET THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAD THERE NOT GIVEN AN OPTION, BUT WE CAN'T I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE A THEY'RE CURRENTLY FULL TIME REGULAR EMPLOYEES. AND THOSE POSITIONS TO THEM ARE THERE.
I WANT PROTECTIONS IS WHAT I'M GOING FOR.
I WANT GUARANTEED PROTECTIONS.
WE'VE GOT THE ONE EXTRA SPACE WHERE JANET WAS.
THAT'S ONE PLACE. WHERE ARE THESE OTHER TWO PEOPLE GOING? AND AGAIN, IS RIGHT NOW, YOUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISONS HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK REMOTELY OR WORK, YOU KNOW, THE TELECOMMUTING.
WE'D HAVE TO FIND EITHER OTHER LOCATION IN CITY HALL.
WE CAN PUT THEM MOVE THEM AROUND OR UTILIZE THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, REMOTE WORK OR TELECOMMUTING.
I FORGOT MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THOSE LADIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, WHEN, IF, WHEN PEOPLE CHANGE.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TO NOW GO AND CREATE A NEW COMMUNITY AID FOR THE NEW PERSON.
IF THEY DON'T SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DON'T WANT ROSS, THEY DON'T WANT ALIEN.
YOU HAVE TO GO CREATE A NEW POSITION FOR THE EYE BECAUSE YOU BUDGETED FOR THREE.
THE MAN'S NOT HERE. WELL, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE BUDGET POSITION.
WELL, SHE'S ONLY BUDGETED FOR THREE RIGHT NOW.
SHE'S. YEAH, BUT THE TWO, THE TWO STAFF MEMBERS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE, SO THAT'S FIVE REGARDLESS.
EVEN WHEN I CAME IN HERE, I WANTED ELLIOTT.
AND THEN I THOUGHT I HAD ELLIOTT BECAUSE NOT.
NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T SEE THAT.
THAT'S FINE. I DIDN'T KNOW THE WORK AND SHE KNEW THE WORK, SO I DIDN'T WANT SOMEBODY, I WANTED HER.
NO NEED TO BUY STAFF. NO NEED TO BUY STAFF.
I THINK THE THREE, THE 3 OR 2 PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE HAS TO BE SPLIT.
AND I WANT TO WORK WITH WELL, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE.
NO, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT I DO? I DO BECAUSE ACTUALLY, IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT THE MAYOR IS GOING TO GET HER OWN PERSON, AND I'VE NOT HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO YOU GUYS ARE ALL ASKING FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE HERE.
THIS IS WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE.
WE KNOW WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM.
I'M NOT PLAYING POLITICS AS I STATED, I DID COMPLAIN.
OKAY. THAT'S FINE. SEVERAL TIMES AND THAT'S FINE.
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THERE'S BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY WERE NEVER THE PERSON WHO CAME IN.SHE CAME IN WITHOUT BEING DIRECTED.
YOU WERE GOING TO ASSIST THESE TWO PEOPLE.
INSTEAD, ROZ HAD BEEN ASSISTING EVERYBODY ALL ALONG.
ROZ, YOU'RE GOING TO ASSIST THESE TWO EARLY ON.
YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO ASSIST THE MAYOR.
YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONER ANYMORE.
HE WAS VICE MAYOR AT THE TIME.
WAS HE VICE MAYOR? WHATEVER HE WAS, HE WAS HE WAS DOING BOTH OF THEM.
SO WHATEVER IT IS TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, THIS IS ONE PRESENTATION.
THIS IS HOW MUCH THIS PROPOSAL THE COST IS.
AND THE THREE TEMP FULL TIME STAFF.
HOW MUCH IS THE 238 PER HOUR? LIKE, WHAT'S THEIR SALARY? OH, THE TEMPORARY FULL TIME, $25 AN HOUR.
THE SAME AMOUNT. AND THEN $25 AN HOUR EQUALS WHAT OUR ANNUALLY.
WELL, PLUS THEIR BENEFITS OF 52,000.
AND THEIR BENEFITS EQUATES TO 78,000.
SO I THINK YOUR NUMBERS ARE WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL COST? WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING THE TWO FULL TIME STAFF.
THEY ALREADY INCLUDED. WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THE THE LIAISON THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED.
WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL COST? SO SHE HAS THIS AT MAX, RIGHT? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 750.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AT MAX.
TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT. IT'S ABOUT THE SAME MONEY BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THREE STAFFS.
YEAH. BECAUSE EACH STAFF WOULD BENEFIT.
WELL, BACK TO THE THREE STAFF NUMBER.
I THINK WE'RE BACK TO THE SAME MONEY AS THE THREE MONEY.
THANK YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT'S WHY I'M COMPLETELY CONFUSED WITH IT.
YEAH. SO I'M I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET CLEAR TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S DESIRE FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE SOMEHOW OR OTHER.
MY NEXT CONCERN IS THIS BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THESE NUMBERS ARE COMING OUT.
ROSS HAS BEEN HERE FOR A FEW YEARS.
SO HOWEVER THESE DOLLAR SIGNS ARE GOING, THEY DO GET THEIR COMPENSATION IS MORE THAN THE 52.
I DON'T MEAN BY LIKE A DOLLAR OR TWO.
NOW, I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT THE TWO LADIES THERE.
WONDERFUL LADIES, AND I REALLY DON'T BLAME ANYONE FOR ALL THAT TRANSPIRED.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE'RE GETTING FIVE STAFF FOR THE COST OF THREE PLUS 5000 IS WHAT I SEE.
TWO. 65 IS WHAT IT WAS STAFFED FULLY, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU WOULD TAKE IT TO 65.
YEAH. NO, THAT'S JUST THE CURRENT NUMBER.
THAT'S WHAT WE THAT'S WHAT'S BUDGETED.
RIGHT. 179 SO YOU TAKE THE 265 TAKE THE 265 FROM THE 179.
RIGHT. AND THEN YOU THEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE 2 TO 234.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE IMPACT. THAT'S WHAT IT'S 154.
NO, BUT THE ONE SEVEN IS THE TWO.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF DIFFERENCE OF GENDER.
THAT'S A COST OF GENDER. AND SHE'S NOT PHYSICALLY HERE RIGHT NOW.
SO THE THREE NEW PEOPLE IS COSTING YOU 234.
SO YOU'RE YOU'VE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR JANET AT 260.
YES. THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT'S THE IMPACT GOING TO BE.
I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU GUYS A I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND EACH PERSON YOU SAID ON ANOTHER PAGE COST 50,000.
NO. BECAUSE AND THEN YOU SAID THERE'S NO BENEFIT.
SO WHY IS BENEFIT INCLUDED FOR TEMPORARY FULL TIME? YES. FOR THE TEMPORARY FULL TIME STAFF WE WERE INCLUDING BENEFITS.
YES. THE THREE TEMPORARY COMMISSION AID, FULL TIME STAFF.
CORRECT. THEY JUST DON'T GET NO PENSION.
YEAH. THEY DON'T GET THEY GET INSURANCE.
THEY GET MEDICAL, DENTAL AND VISION SICK PERSONAL THEY ARE YET.
SO IF IT'S A WHAT WHY DO WE HAVE TO GET OKAY IF YOU LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU STAY ON THAT SLIDE.
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BECAUSE WHEN YOU WORK AT A TEMP AGENCY YOU DON'T GET BENEFITS.WELL I'M JUST SAYING AND I DON'T I THINK WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION LAST WEEK DISCUSSING THIS AND I SAID I DIDN'T SUPPORT EXTENDED HOURS BECAUSE ANYTHING OVER 30 HOURS PEOPLE SHOULD GET INSURANCE IN AMERICA.
AND LORENZO DID SAY THAT ANYTHING AFTER 29, THEY SAY INSURANCE IS.
YEAH. SO THESE NEW FULL TIME PEOPLE, THE INSURANCE IS WHAT'S INCLUDED.
AND IT'S ONLY ACTUALLY IT'S ONLY IT'S ONLY 144.
ADDITIONALLY IT'S GOING TO COST 148 200.
STILL THAT'S NOT INCLUDING TECHNOLOGY.
YEAH. 234. IS FOR THREE FULL TIME STAFF.
THAT'S A NEW PEOPLE. THAT'S A WAIT A SECOND.
YES. WELL THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
THAT WILL BE ILEAN ROSS AND JANET IF SHE WAS HERE CORRECT.
NO, NO, THAT'S NOT THEIR COST. THEIR COST IS.
GO BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE. WHERE'S WHERE'S WHERE'S THEIR COST IS ACTUALLY HIGHER 65.
SO. RIGHT. SO SO THEIR COST IS HIGHER THAN.
YEAH. GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
SO THEN THE THIS IS THEIR COST COURSE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU'RE ABSORBING THE VACANCY.
YOU'RE ABSORBING THE LIGHT, BUT YOU'RE ABSORBING THE VACANCY.
I THINK YOU SHOULD STOP WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD, IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY TO YOU A SECOND, DANIEL.
THE THREE FULL TIME STAFF, INCLUDING ROSS, LILLIAN AND JENNY.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT NO, YOU CAN SAY LET HIM GO.
IF YOU'RE AVERAGING IT 80 SO IT'LL BE 88,004 0406 OKAY PER PERSON.
SO, SO JANET IS TECHNICALLY VALUED AT 88,406 BASED ON THE.
OH, I LIKE THAT. OKAY, SO NOW GO BACK TO THE.
BUT IT'S NOT REALITY. BUT EVERYTHING IS AVERAGE.
THAT'S NOT THAT NUMBER. THAT'S NOT THE NUMBER I KNOW THAT.
175 BUT SHE'S GOING TO ADD THE AVERAGE OF 88 TO THAT OR TAKE AWAY.
HOW MUCH IS THE THREE FULL TIME STAFF.
YEAH. SO YOU ADD THOSE THOSE NUMBERS.
SO IF THEY'RE RECEIVING 52,000 AS AN ANNUALIZED SALARY, PLUS I THINK IT'S 26,000 FOR THEIR BENEFITS, THAT COMES OUT TO $78,000 PER PERSON. SO TIMES THAT BY THREE COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD BE 230 FOR YOUR TWO FULL TIME STAFF PLUS BENEFITS DECREASE BECAUSE YOU'RE ABSORBING THE VACANCY AND PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
EVERYBODY'S AGAINST HIM. SO WHAT'S GOING ON? OKAY. RIGHT.
SO THE 179 HAS YOU JUST GIVE THE YOU JUST GIVE THE COST OF EACH PERSON.
NEVERTHELESS WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SIT HERE FOR ANOTHER HOUR OVER $4800 OR $4200.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? OUR AVERAGE TIME IS A LOT MORE VALUABLE.
ANYHOW, SO 78,000 FOR THE NEW EMPLOYEE.
RIGHT. FOR SALARY AND BENEFITS AND AVERAGING.
SO WE HAVE TO 7.45% OF THAT WOULD ALSO BE ADDED TO IT.
THE NEW PEOPLE IS $25 AN HOUR THOUGH, RIGHT? BENEFITS $26.
RIGHT. YEAH. SO SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE.
YEAH. THAT'S A THAT'S A NO MATTER WHAT.
BY THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION, WHICHEVER WHICH PROPOSAL GOES THROUGH, BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THOSE OTHER TWO LADIES WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THREE AND FIVE YEARS, WHO ARE GOING TO BE TRAINING, NEED TO RECEIVE THEIR SALARY BUMPS, BECAUSE IF WE'VE BEEN DOING A SALARY SURVEY AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RETAIN EMPLOYEES HERE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO REMAIN IN THIS ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE IF NOT, YOU'VE GOT NEW PEOPLE COMING IN MAKING A BOATLOAD OF MONEY.
THE COMPARISON, COMPARISON TO THE PEOPLE.
YOU MEAN THE PAY GRADE, THIS 57? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT PEOPLE, RIGHT.
AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT AT 7400.
THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY CLOSER TO THE 57 RANGE.
NOW WHEN WE DID THE MATH, IT WAS MORE NO, NO, NO, I'M TALKING WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN FOR THEM?
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YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR SALARY RIGHT NOW.I DON'T WANT TO EMBARRASS THEM THAT DO THAT AT ALL.
MY POINT BEING IS, AS IT'S CLEAR THAT THE TWO CURRENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE THREE AND FIVE YEARS ARE ONLY GOING TO BE PAID JUST A SLIGHT BIT MORE WITH THE BENEFIT TO GETTING TOWARDS PENSION, BECAUSE ONE PERSON STILL HAS TO, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO MAKE IT TO THEIR VESTING.
TIME IS ONLY GETTING PAID A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE A WELCOME TO A TEACHER'S LIFE.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'D BE FIGHTING FOR THE TEACHERS TO, YOU KNOW, MY MOTHER TAUGHT.
SO. OKAY, SO YOU HEAR THAT PART, DANIELLE? ON ON ON THIS ON THIS.
CAN WE ADD A TRAINING FEE FOR, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME FOR PERSONNEL MANUAL.
NOW IT ALSO I'M SURE THEY'RE LISTENING.
5% IS FOR OUR PERSONNEL MANUAL.
5%. BUT ALSO KEEPING IN MIND YOU'RE TRAINING THREE PEOPLE, WILL THEY ALL BE HIRED AT THE SAME TIME? HAS A HIRING PROCESS GOING TO GO? WHO'S INVOLVED IN THE HIRING PROCESS? SOMEONE IS.
YEAH. SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE PROPOSAL.
SO YOU'VE GOT ONE PROPOSAL HERE RIGHT NOW SAYING THAT WE'VE GOT TWO FULL TIME EACH OF THE OTHER.
THE THREE OTHER SPOTS ARE BEING FILLED BY THESE TEMPORARY PART TIME PEOPLE FOR WHAT'S OVER HERE.
WHAT IS TECHNOLOGY COST FOR 28,000? WHAT IS THAT? SO THERE'S LAPTOPS.
THEY'RE AVERAGING 2000 PER INDIVIDUAL.
SO WITH THE THAT WAS WHAT, THE COST OR BREAKING THE BANK ON THE 28.
BUT YOU KNOW, I'M SURE IT'S APPRECIATED.
SO AND THE $50 FOR THE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE I'M SURE SOMEONE'S SCREAMING OUT ABOUT IT.
SO AGAIN, AN EXAMPLE IS 1.00 FTE.
THE COMMISSIONER CAN DECIDE EITHER TO HAVE ONE FULL TIME TEMPORARY OR TWO PART TIME TEMPORARY.
BUT EITHER WAY IT WOULD EQUATE TO $78,000.
SO THAT'S THE SAME LIAISON CONCEPT.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES, THAT'S NOT SOLVING THE FULL TIME PROBLEM.
YEAH. YEAH. WELL THAT THAT'S THAT'S JUST MORE SUPPORT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THIS I'M HIRING ONE PERSON FOR $78,000.
THIS IS INCLUDING THE BENEFITS.
I KNOW, I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S EXPLAINED.
BUT IF WAIT. IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, OKAY? IT'S NOT. IF WHAT YOU GUYS SAID BEFORE IS TRUE.
IF WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, I WOULD NEVER.
IF WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE IS TRUE, THEN THE TWO PART TIME WOULDN'T NEED NO BENEFIT.
RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY IT STILL WOULD BE $78,000.
THAT WOULD BE CHEAPER. NO, IT WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY.
IT JUST WOULD BE THE PART TIMERS WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY.
RIGHT. SO THERE WOULD BE PART TIME.
THE ONE ONE FULL TIME IS 50 BECAUSE THEY'RE PART TIME.
NO ONE FULL TIME IS 52,000, PLUS ANOTHER 26,000 FOR THEIR BENEFITS.
THAT'S THE BUDGET. SO IT'S $39,000 A YEAR.
BENEFITS. YEAH, THE TWO PART TIMES.
IF THEY'RE TWO PART TIME TEMPS THEY DON'T GET BENEFITS.
RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE GETTING $39,000 ON AN AVERAGE OF HOW MANY HOURS.
BUT THAT'S THE SAME IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
UNLESS WE JUST ADD HOURS TO THE LIAISON.
GIVE ONE FULL TIME LIAISON BENEFITS.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU JUST YOU JUST EVERYONE JUST HAS AN OPTION.
IF YOU DON'T WANT THE OPTION, THEN WE JUST MOVE ON.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE DON'T HAVE TO.
YEAH. WELL, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, I MEAN, YEAH, YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I ALREADY THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO LIKE, YEAH, I DON'T.
AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY AND I THINK THEY'VE HAD THEIR SAY.
SO SO NOT THE WAY YOU'VE TREATED HER IN THE PAST.
NOT HAPPENING. I, I THINK A FAIR WAY.
I THINK THE 78,000 PER EMPLOYEE IS KIND OF TOUGH ON THE BUDGET AND THE COSTS.
AND I'M BEING LEVELHEADED HERE.
I THINK HE SHOULD GET A SAY IN WHO THAT THIRD PERSON SHOULD BE.
IF WE GO THAT ROUTE IN TERMS OF HIRING THAT THIRD PERSON.
I, I'VE ACCEPTED ROZ, AND I'VE WORKED WITH ROZ.
COMMISSIONER MADAM MAYOR TO A PERSON.
HE'S A SENIOR PERSON. HE SHOULD GET GET, GET INVOLVED IN THAT HIRING PROCESS.
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COMMISSIONER PATTERSON AND COMMISSIONER BOLTON SHARE THE NEW PERSON AND YOU KNOW, AND SAY THE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, I'M SAYING I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT'S BEING SAID.HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THESE COMMISSIONERS AND THE WORKLOAD? YEAH, AT CERTAIN TIMES.
THEN YOUR WORK DON'T GET DONE.
YEAH. OH, GOD. GOOD GOD, I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING ELIANA'S SAYING BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS OF GETTING MY STUFF DONE, THAT SLANDER OVER STUFF THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN, YOU KNOW, BOMBARDING OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
MOVING FORWARD, TAKE A PICTURE OF THIS BIRD IS A DEAD BIRD.
NEXT. VICE MAYOR, PLEASE FINISH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
I LOOK, I THINK I JUST THINK FOR THE TWO, I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, PROPOSAL TWO HAS BEEN, OH, SO WE'RE DONE WITH THAT.
I DO THINK THAT WE'VE NEVER GIVEN IT THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND I DO THINK AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, WE HAVE IF WE HAVE OUR LIAISONS AND WE HAVE THE PEOPLE DOING OUR WORK THERE'S DISTRICTS AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I DESPITE BEING TOLD I DON'T DO ANYTHING IN THIS CITY, I DO HAVE A FULL CITY THAT I AM INVOLVED WITH ON TOP OF ALL THE BOARDS THAT I AM SERVING ON.
AND THAT'S THE MAYOR DOES GET THE OPTION TO HAVE ONE PERSON, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HAVING ONE PERSON.
THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT SHOULD BE GENERATED WITH THE LIAISONS AND THE SUPPORT STAFF THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD IN PLACE WITH TWO AND TWO, SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT. PART OF THE PROBLEM THERE HAS BEEN, AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO RIGHT DOWN THIS PATH.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE APPRECIATED.
I CAN'T EVEN APOLOGIZE FOR IT.
IS THE INITIATIVES HAVE NOT BEEN GOING TOWARDS THE INITIATIVE POLICY WHICH WERE SAID YOU'RE GOING TO DO A MAJOR EVENT, IT'S 120, THE MIDDLE EVENT, IT'S 90 OR 45 DAYS.
INSTEAD. A LOT OF THESE ARE ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
FORGET THE RULES, FORGET THE PROCEDURES AND WHICH HAS CAUSED SOME OF THE PROBLEMS FOR WHY THERE IS ALL THIS PULLING AT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASSISTING US, WHETHER IT'S IN A WAY THAT WAS NEVER ANY OF MY PROBLEMS WITH YOUR FACE ON IT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE ANY OF THE PROBLEMS YOU JUST DISCUSSED, MAYOR, WAS NOT THE ISSUES.
I'M. THESE ARE GENERAL ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUES, AND THIS IS NOT MADE FOR YOU TO TAKE OFFENSE.
AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS TAKING OFFENSE TO IT, MAYBE THEY'RE THE CULPRIT.
I'M JUST CLARIFYING. JUST THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALONG THE WAY WHICH HAVE DERAILED A PLAN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE FROM EVER BEING ABLE TO TAKE OFF AND WORK. AND NOW WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR A MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION ON HERE.
SO IN ACTUALITY, WE'RE ONLY SPENDING 49,003 33.33 PER EMPLOYEE.
I'M JUST SAYING IF WE GO THIS PATH, THE COST IS ACTUALLY CHEAPER, BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE THE NUMBERS, WE WERE JUST TAKING 265 DIVIDED BY THE 179 AND THEN YOU THAT DIFFERENCE, IF YOU TAKE IT AWAY FROM 234, YOU GET 148 AND IF YOU DIVIDE 148 BY THREE YOU GET ABOUT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO COST US 48 49,000, INCLUDING BENEFITS FOR, FOR FOR THE NEW EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S THE MONEY THAT'S GOING TO COST US.
ADDITIONALLY, BASED ON BASED ON YOUR NUMBERS.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING, YOU KNOW.
THE THREE TEMPORARY FULL TIME THEY IT IS ABSORBED.
THE VACANCY THAT YOU HAD WITH JANET HAS BEEN AT 234.
RIGHT. BECAUSE NOW I'VE SUBTRACTED IT BECAUSE INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE FULL.
SO YOU TOOK OUT THAT NUMBER FOR THE 234.
IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN SUBTRACT FIVE 316.
NO I'M JUST SAYING IS A TOTAL NUMBER.
RIGHT. THEN WE HAVE 179 416 AND YOU HAVE 148 200 AND YOU HAVE 2000 807,200. THE NUMBER COMES TO 655316.
NOW THE DIFFERENCE BEING OF WHATEVER OUR IMPACT ALREADY WAS.
MINUS FROM HERE IS THE ADDITIONAL IMPACT.
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IT'S REALLY LEFT HAND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU.WHAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY IN YOUR THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR.
YOU KNOW I THINK MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE FADE INTO THE CHEAPER VERSION WHICH IS JUST HAVING THE AID.
BUT AS LONG AS THE LADIES CAN KEEP THEIR JOBS AND, YOU KNOW, MOVE TO DIFFERENT AREA OF THE CITY BUT FADED OUT BECAUSE IT IS A CHEAPER OPTION, WELL, THAT DECISION CAN BE DONE IN 2 TO 6 YEARS.
WHEN OR YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER TERM AFTER THAT.
IT'S NOT LIKE, WELL, NO MATTER WHAT, SHE'S GOING TO KEEP HER JOB.
IF I'M HEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE KEEPS HER JOB.
YEAH. I'M SAYING THIS IS A CHEAPER WAY TO GO IN THE FUTURE, IS ALL I'M SAYING.
GO AHEAD. OKAY. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE A POLICY DECISION ON WHETHER WE'LL HAVE EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL WITH A COMMISSION AIDE FULL TIME AND ALSO KEEP THE EXISTING COMMUNITY LIAISON STRUCTURE WITH RESPECT TO THE BUDGET FOR THAT POLICY DECISION.
BUT THE POLICY DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE ON THE PERMANENT AID FOR EACH TEMPORARY.
SO THEN THE BUDGET IS A DIFFERENT IS A SECOND STEP.
NO, I WAS JUST THINKING OUT LOUD. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A POLICY DECISION.
AND I'M TRYING TO HEAR EVERYONE'S OPINION AND ALL THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS SEEM LIKE YOU WANT THE FULL TIME PERSON, WHICH IS KIND OF NEEDED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THESE JOBS GET IT'S A PART TIME JOB, BUT IT'S FULL TIME WORK AND THE CITY IS GROWING AND THERE'S MORE RESPONSIBILITIES.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE MAN FIRST CAME IN, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF RETIREES.
NOW, SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE ALL YOUNGER WORKING PEOPLE WITH WITH VIBRANT CAREERS.
YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF BEING RETIRED AND ON THE COMMISSION.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT.
SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE A POLICY DECISION AND IN TERMS OF COST, WHY DON'T WE HAVE WHY DON'T IT BE WHERE IT'S ONE FULL TIME PERSON AND THEN YOU HAVE THE AIDES? ADDITIONALLY, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE AIDES AT 29 HOURS, WHICH IS UP TO 32, SO A FULL TIME PERSON IS 40 HOURS.
SO WHY DON'T WE GET AN ADDITIONAL GROUP OF HOURS FOR AIDES? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND THE PERSON WITH ALL THE SKILL SET TO WRITE EMAILS TO SOCIAL MEDIA, TAKE PICTURES.
SO I GET IT. HAVING A FULL TIME PERSON, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FILL THAT NEED FOR THIS SPECIFIC SKILL.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THE LIAISONS.
YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT SKILL SETS.
YOU DON'T FIND IT NECESSARILY ONE PERSON AND SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO WORK WITH YOU.
WHO'S WHO WANTS A FULL TIME JOB.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME AND WORK 20 HOURS WITHOUT BENEFITS AND INSURANCE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO CONSTANTLY MANAGE THEM ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND AND, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TO PUT THE WEIGHT ON.
BUT OTHER THINGS ALSO HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT DEEPER.
AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION IS JUST KIND OF VAGUE AND BROAD.
RIGHT. I THINK THE PROPOSAL THAT STAFF.
TWO. SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
THREE COMMISSIONER FOUR FULL TIME TEMPORARY.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
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NO. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT TO THE SIMPLE PART.SIMPLE PART JUST NOW. SO I'M GOOD WITH SIMPLE.
KEEP IT ROLLING. COME BACK WITH THE BUDGET.
BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY YES OR NO ON SOMETHING THAT.
WELL, LET ME SAY THIS THEN, FOR SAKE OF JUST KIND OF EXPANDING ON THE SIMPLICITY OF WHAT I BELIEVE THE CONVERSATION SHOULD BE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S POINT, YOU MENTIONED POLICY. THE POLICY SIMPLY STATES CURRENTLY THAT THE COMMISSION IS ENTITLED TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF THREE AIDES OR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISONS TO ASSIST IN THIS CASE.
WHAT WE'RE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD HAVE AN AIDE, WHETHER WE CALL THEM AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT OR A COMMISSION AIDE, EACH PERSON WOULD HAVE.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS BEING PROPOSED? YES. IN ADDITION TO THE LIAISONS? YES. OKAY.
SO IN TOTAL WE WOULD BE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 IF IF AT CAPACITY.
CORRECT. WELL PLUS THREE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO THAT EXIST.
SO BUT A TOTAL OF FIVE. YES A TOTAL OF FIVE NEW FIVE POSITIONS.
CORRECT. SO THAT'S IS EACH OF US IS THAT THREE COMMUNITY LIAISONS.
I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE POLICY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN ORDER TO ADOPT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? WHAT DO WE NEED TO WHAT LANGUAGE ATTORNEY DO WE NEED? IF WE'RE ASKING FOR EACH PERSON TO HAVE A FULL TIME PERSON PLUS ACCESS TO THEIR LIAISONS, CREATION OF THE THREE COMMISSION AIDES, IT'S A NEW POSITION.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE CREATION OF THE COMMISSION AIDE POSITION AND A THREE FTE FOR THAT.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSENSUS TO ADD THREE POSITIONS.
ALTHOUGH THOSE TWO SENIOR ASSISTANTS AREN'T CURRENTLY THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE POLICY CURRENTLY.
BUT SO WE'RE ACTUALLY THREE ARE.
SO IT WOULD BE THE POLICY IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THREE PEOPLE DOWNSTAIRS.
IT HADN'T WORKED OUT THAT WAY BECAUSE JANET LEFT BEFORE YOU GOT HERE.
SHE LEFT. CAN WE JUST REMOVE A NUMBER FROM THE POLICY? CAN WE REMOVE THE NUMBER? IS THE NUMBER. IS THE NUMBER NECESSARY? I THE POINT? YES. EXISTING PEOPLE.
YES. BECAUSE THEIR JOBS CAN'T BE GONE.
I DON'T THINK THE NUMBER IS NECESSARY.
YOU JUST CREATE AN A POSITION.
IT MIGHT BE TWO, RIGHT? I MEAN, AM I AM I INCORRECT IN IN THE FEELING THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS UNDER IS UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S PURVIEW? YES. THE ONLY IN FACT, THE COMMUNITY IS IS REFERENCING IN THE CODE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A HEART.
IT DOES INDICATE THAT EACH COMMISSION CAN HAVE THREE.
I BELIEVE I'M GOING OFF THE RECORD.
BUT THE THE EIGHT, THE SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND COMMISSIONER, IT'S NOT WITHIN THAT'S A POLICY DECISION BECAUSE THESE EMPLOYEES FALL UNDER MANAGEMENT.
IT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NEED TO BE TO BE SPECIFIED.
CORRECT. CORRECT. CURRENTLY NOT IN THE POLICY.
THE POLICY SPEAKS TO LEGISLATIVE AIDES.
THIS IS A NEW POSITION TITLE THAT WILL BE CREATED IF THIS IF THIS GOES FORWARD.
SO IT WOULD BE CALLED COMMISSION AIDE.
THAT WILL BE DOING THE ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES AND FUNCTION AS A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE.
AND THE NUMBERS CAN BE CONTROLLED BY THE BUDGET.
SO IS THIS THE OPTION YOU'D LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK WITH INFORMATION ON A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR THE APPROPRIATE MECHANISM.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST NEED CONSENSUS ON WHETHER THIS IS A POLICY.
THIS IS THE OPTION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RELATIVE TO THE STAFFING OF THE OFFICE.
THE ONLY CHANGE. WELL, NOW, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS, IT WILL WIND UP CHANGING BECAUSE YOU'RE ELIMINATING A SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, WHICH WAS WAS CREATED TO HAVE THREE SENIOR.
JUST BECAUSE A PERSON IS NO LONGER IN THAT SEAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT JOB WASN'T CREATED TO BE THERE.
VICE MAYOR CONSENSUS OR NO CONSENSUS?
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COMMISSIONER. RIGHT? NO.COMMISSIONER. BOLTON. YES, BUT I JUST THERE'S THREE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THIS.
TWO PEOPLE DON'T. SO WE'RE CONSENTING TO OPEN A NEW JOB DESCRIPTION AND CLOSE AN EXISTING JOB.
SO WITH THIS OPTION FOR THE MAN, THE COMMISSION.
RIGHT. NOT NECESSARILY CLOSING THAT THIRD ONE AT THIS TIME.
YOU DON'T NEED TO CLOSE ANYTHING.
IS THIS RIGHT NOW IS IN THEORY THAT WOULD BE A SIXTH PERSON.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WANT CLARIFICATION ON IS NO, THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE GOING FORWARD WITH.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE AN OPTION.
IT'S FINE. IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT.
THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WE'RE NOT ASKED TO DO THAT OTHER STUFF.
WE'RE BEING ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS THE PROPOSAL.
THERE'S THREE PEOPLE THAT WISH YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS OPTION.
IN THE MEANTIME, THOUGH IN THE MEANTIME, THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE THERE.
THERE ARE FOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I DO NOT THINK IT IS FAIR THAT FOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD BE BOMBARDING ROZ WITH WORK, AND THE MAYOR GETS TO ONLY HAVE ILION IN THE MEANTIME.
MEANWHILE. SO I'M JUST SAYING.
MISS ILION IS ASSISTING MISS PATTERSON, THE NEWEST PERSON ON THE COMMISSION AND MYSELF.
I JUST THINK THAT YOU CAN THINK ALL YOU WANT, BUT THAT'S HOW IT'S ALREADY BEEN DIVIDED.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
WELL, THEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH ROZ, AND I'M.
I KNOW ELLEN'S BEEN HELPING COMMISSIONER.
YOU'RE WORKING WITH ROSS. YOU KNOW WHAT?
[1.j Discussion and Consensus on amending rules, procedures, and processes governing public meetings. Requested by Commissioner Patterson ]
NEXT ITEM UP ON THE AGENDA.BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO GET MOVING.
THIS IS BEING REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.
AND I THINK THAT FOR SAKE OF CLARITY, I THINK I THINK I MIGHT BE SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER SOMETIMES, BUT SOMETIMES, AS I'VE KIND OF WATCHED THE MEETINGS MYSELF, IT DOES GET VERY CONVOLUTED AND CONFUSING.
I THINK SPECIFICALLY TO OUR RESIDENTS.
SO I THINK THAT WE SPECIFICALLY, I, YOU KNOW, WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME SECTIONS.
I THINK THEY MAY HAVE GIVEN YOU GUYS A COPY OF IT IN THE BLUE.
IN THE BLUE FOLDER? YEAH. YOU CAN GIVE US WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DISCUSS NEXT TIME.
SO FOR SAKE OF SPECIFICALLY TODAY'S CONVERSATION I DEFINITELY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC MEETINGS.
EXCUSE ME. PUBLIC COMMENT RATHER.
CAN YOU GIVE US THE SECTION IN WHICH YOU WERE LOOKING AT.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY IT'S A, THERE'S TO ME THE THE ORDINANCE IS A BIT REDUNDANT.
IT TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENTS IN A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT UNDER SECTION 229 AND SUBSECTION D, I BELIEVE IS WHERE THERE IS A SECTION THAT REFERS TO HOW SPECTATORS ARE GOVERNED DURING THE MEETINGS.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S A SECTION A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN AS WELL.
WHETHER IT IS THEIR CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON FIRST READING.
[05:30:03]
SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE DO THINGS.WHICH, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT POINT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT WHILE WE MAY NOT INTEND TO DO ANYTHING FOR ANY POLITICAL PURPOSES OR TO WEAPONIZE, YOU KNOW, ANY POWER OR AUTHORITY ON THIS BOARD, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT JUST A A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO HOW WE DO COMMENTS.
WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO SET THE TONE.
WE WE KIND OF LOOK AT HOW THAT HAPPENS IN OUR MEETINGS AS WELL.
AND SO WHILE I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES, PERHAPS THE RULES ARE NECESSARY, I THINK IN SOME CASES THEY'RE NOT, AND I SO I WANTED TO JUST OPEN UP A OPEN UP A DISCUSSION AROUND CONSIDERATION FOR YOU KNOW, PERHAPS AND THIS IS JUST A PROPOSAL, PERHAPS WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HAVING COMMENTS HERE IN THE WORKSHOP.
AND IF NOT, I MEAN, WHILE THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION FORUM FOR THE COMMISSION TO JUST BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT ITEMS I THINK THAT MAYBE WE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE NOT HAVING COMMISSION COMMENTS HERE, I THINK THAT WE LOOK AT EITHER ALLOWING FOR COMMENTS ON ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND POSTPONING OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE END OF THE AGENDA. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF WE AND IN THAT IN, IN THAT PROPOSAL, WE WOULD CONSIDER IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW FOLKS TO SPEAK ON EVERY ITEM, PERHAPS REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY SPEAK AT THE END FOR TWO MINUTES INSTEAD OF THREE.
AND SIMILARLY, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE LOOK AT YOU KNOW, THE REDUNDANCY POINT.
WELL, IF YOU SPOKE ON ITEM ON FIRST READING, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPEATED IN PUBLIC COMMENTS.
BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE ONE WAY THAT WE DO PUBLIC COMMENTS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, JUST ALLOWING THEM DEPENDING ON THIS, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE OF THE DISCUSSION. PEOPLE, I THINK THE RESIDENTS COULD APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK ON EVERY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WE GET A LOT OF ATTACKS IN THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE COMING INTO A, YOU KNOW, INTO A PUBLIC MEETING.
WE'RE HERE TO DO THE CITY'S BUSINESS.
PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO ALWAYS AGREE.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT PREPARED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH US.
AND IF WE DO THAT, IT CAN STAY AT THREE MINUTES IF WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE, IF WE CONSIDER ALLOWING FOR DISCUSSION ON ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN WE REDUCE THE TIME TO TWO MINUTES VERSUS THREE.
OKAY. SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THAT'S ONE ITEM YOU WISH TO HAVE US DISCUSS.
AND IF I CAN FINISH. THAT'S WHY I ASKED EVERYONE TO PULL THE FOLDER.
WHILE YOU DO THAT, I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS.
IT SAYS HERE IN SECTION 234 2E2 MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION MAY SUBMIT ITEMS FOR PLACEMENT ON THE AGENDA. PERIOD.
AND SO I THINK EVEN SO, THAT IS ANOTHER AREA OF CONVERSATION.
I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THAT YET.
WE'RE HERE, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE RESEARCHED.
[05:35:01]
SO HERE'S THE THING. WHILE I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE ABOUT SPINNING OUR WHEELS AND WE WASTE TIME, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THERE ARE RULES IN PLACE.WE SET POLICY AND THEN WE HAVE PROCEDURES THAT GO WITH IT.
SO WE HAVE A DETAILED DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE.
HE BROUGHT IT UP. THE REQUEST WAS, YES, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SCHOLARSHIPS.
THAT'S THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WE DO.
IT'S SIMILAR TO THE LIVE LOCAL THE STATE THE STATE HAS PUT FORTH.
SO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IS A RULE.
IT'S THE SAME THING FOR WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
BECAUSE ALSO PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA WHICH WE COULD TALK ABOUT AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP, IF WE'RE GOING TO SKIP THE PART ABOUT HAVING THINGS, HAVING THAT SECOND MEETING, THEN THERE SHOULD BE BETTER PREPARATION SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO SPEAK ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU MAY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT GETTING 11 PAGES OF SOMETHING.
DO NOT GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW.
THINK ABOUT THINGS. YEAH, BUT NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M GOING RIGHT NOW ON THIS BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO FINISH IT. I DIDN'T REALLY ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I'M THERE IS A PROCEDURE ON THIS.
AND DESPITE SOME PEOPLE TO THE CONTRARY, I AM ACTUALLY THE MAYOR AND I AM GOING TO RUN THE MEETING.
THE THEN COMMISSION AT THE TIME SAID NO.
SO THEREFORE YOU'RE COMING ON TO THIS COMMISSION.
YOU'RE STUCK FOLLOWING THIS PROCEDURE.
IF YOU WANT TO ASK FOR US TO CHANGE THE PROCEDURE.
FINE. BECAUSE THEN WE WILL NOW KNOW WHAT YOUR DESIRE IS.
BUT, MAYOR, I DON'T NEED TO MAKE MY DESIRES KNOWN.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE. I MEAN, NO, IT'S.
I DISAGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY, AND I'LL JUST GIVE ME ALL YOU WANT.
I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU, MAYOR.
ATTORNEY, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE LEGISLATION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ADOPTED THE CITY'S ORDINANCE? DOES IT REQUIRE THAT A COMMISSION MEMBER GO TO THE COMMISSION FIRST FOR CONSENSUS TO DISCUSS AN ITEM, THEN COME TO.
BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WORKSHOP IS HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THERE'S NO NEED FOR A WORKSHOP.
BUT TO HAVE THREE STOPS TO DISCUSS ONE ITEM, IF I HAVE A PRESSING MATTER IN MY DISTRICT AND I NEED TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT WITH THIS COMMISSION, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT 60 DAYS. SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHY THE POLICY IS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHY WE'RE ARGUING FOR IT SUCH THAT, AGAIN, I TRIED TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS THAT WE NEED TO WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT NOT POLITICIZING ITEMS. LET'S NOT POLITICIZE THE ITEM.
THERE IS RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IF IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
STAFF IS COMPETENT AND CAPABLE.
WE'VE SAID THAT A MILLION TIMES.
SO I FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST WORKSHOPS.
IT IS WHAT HAS BEEN CREATED IN PLACE.
THE THING BEING, TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE PUBLIC BE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
TO HAVE YOUR COMMISSION BE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM HAVING A CHANGE TO THIS IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT AT ANOTHER TIME.
KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. IT'S SAFER FOR YOU.
SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES WHEN YOU'RE NOT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I CAN.
I CAN ACTUALLY CLOSE THE MEETING, BUT DON'T MAKE ME DO THAT.
CITY ATTORNEY, THE MAJORITY RULE, THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SEE, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU CHANGE THE RULES, YOU CHANGE THE RULE.
CAN WE JUST. CAN YOU STOP? DON'T ACT LIKE THEM. DON'T ACT LIKE HIM.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? MEANING? MEANING HIM. I DON'T LIKE.
LIKE WHO? ANYWAY, YOU JUST MADE A DANGEROUS COMMENT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY OWN IMAGINATION.
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WHATEVER YOU SAY. SO, FACT OF THE MATTER IS, CITY ATTORNEY, LET ME ANSWER COMMISSIONER.THE FACTS OF THE MATTER IS NO.
I'M GOING TO REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
SHE ASKED ME A QUESTION. ACTUALLY, I WAS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT IT FIRST.
OKAY. SHE'LL GET HER ANSWER IN A SECOND.
OKAY. THE POINT BEING WAS WE DISCUSSED THIS AT A COMMISSION MEETING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND THE COMMISSION DECIDED THAT THIS WAS A POLICY AND PROCEDURE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A GOOD POLICY OR PROCEDURE.
MAYOR, I HAVE NO I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW WHAT IS IN THE CODE.
YOU HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW IT.
I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW WHAT'S IN THE CODE AND IN STAFF AND CITY COMMISSION MUST FOLLOW IT.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE IN WRITING, PLEASE PROVIDE IT TO ME.
AND BEFORE YOU START MAKING ME DO YOUR WORK, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS.
THIS HAS BEEN ON THERE. AND I'D LIKE TO SAY IF IT'S NOT WRITTEN, WE CAN DO IT.
SO DON'T DON'T GO THERE SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE IT WRITTEN.
THIS IS THE WAY WE'VE CUSTOMARILY DONE IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, SHE HAS ACCESS.
NOW ASK US IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, BUT LET'S LET'S GO BACK TO THE CODE SECTION TWO.
OBVIOUSLY TO GIVE OTHER MEMBERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT.
THESE ITEMS SHALL BE PART OF THE MEETING NOTICE AND PART OF THE MEETING AGENDA.
THE CITY COMMISSION MAY PRESENT MORE THAN FOUR ITEMS AT ANY MEETING.
THE LIMITATION ON AGENDA SHALL NOT INCLUDE PROCLAMATION OF KEYS TO THE CITY.
AND SECOND, THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION THAT ALLOWS, IN FACT, WHAT COMMISSIONER PATTERSON IS DOING.
SECTION SEVEN OF SECTION TWO, DASH 30 FOR CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOPS MAY BE HELD FROM TIME TO TIME FOR SPECIAL PURPOSE OF AFFORDING THE CITY COMMISSION TO DISCUSS ITEMS THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED AT A FUTURE CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
SO THE WORKSHOP PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A DIALOG YES.
ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE.
BUT ONLY ONE PERSON'S PREPARED.
ALLEGEDLY, ONLY ONE PERSON IS PREPARED WHERE THE REST OF US ARE NOT PREPARED.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS NOW.
HAD THE ITEMS THAT WERE WANTED BEEN IN A COMPLETE PACKAGE.
OUR AGENDAS HAVE ITEMS IN HERE THAT WE CAN READ SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED SO WE KNOW HOW TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT, FULL CONVERSATION, NOT ONE THAT IS KNEE JERK REACTION, NOT ONE THAT IS INCOMPLETE IN THOUGHT.
AND UNTIL WE CHANGE THE PROCESS THAT WE SAY YES, WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY DON'T WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS HERE? I MEAN, REALLY, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE TREATED, IF THE WORKSHOP IS GOING TO BE TREATED AS A MINI COMMISSION MEETING, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
EVERY PRESENTATION I SAW TODAY WAS PRESENTATIONS I DIDN'T SEE PRIOR TO TODAY.
SO ULTIMATELY, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF TODAY IS TO DISCUSS.
I CAME TODAY WITH THE DISCUSSION.
WAS THERE A REASON WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE A FULL NO.
OKAY, I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED TO.
I MEAN, YOU WOULD JUST THINK THAT WE WOULD KNOW OUT OF ALL THESE 11.
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THE THING IS, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH, IF YOU LOOKED AT OUR BOOK, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S BACKUP THAT WE READ TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND ASK QUESTIONS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PRESENTING TO US IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR THE NEXT STEPS.SO WHEN WE ARE THE ONES ON THE COMMISSION BEING PRESENTING STUFF BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE LAWS, IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE BACKUP FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BEING TO BE DISCUSSED, WE CAN'T REVIEW, WE CAN'T DISCUSS, WE CAN'T ASK CITY STAFF QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE IN ORDER TO POSSIBLY ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, WE'RE HERE IN THE FORUM.
I MEAN, THE POLICY SUPPORTS WHY WE'RE HERE.
IT SAYS A CITY, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
IT SAYS WORKSHOPS MAY BE HELD FROM TIME TO TIME.
YEAH, WE USED TO DO THEM TWICE A MONTH.
TO ME CONTRADICTS WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS FORUM OR THIS SETTING IS FOR US TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT I'M PROPOSING.
WHY IS THAT? NO, NO, I DON'T HAVE A I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU ARE RUDE.
YOU DON'T TELL ME TO SHUT MY MOUTH.
I'M TELLING YOU, I'M NOT BEING OBNOXIOUS.
SO, ANYHOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE.
THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THE FACT THAT THE RULES HAVE TO APPLY FOR EVERYONE.
ALL RESPECT. AND YOU'VE NEVER HAD ANY RESPECT, SO I DON'T GIVE A HOOT.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? SO ANYWAY LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.
I DON'T CARE WHAT TOPIC YOU WERE BRINGING UP.
I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS MORE BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE MAURY HAD THE SAME THING WITH HIS SCHOLARSHIPS.
HE HAD TO ASK THE COMMISSION, DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS? AND THE COMMISSION SAID, YES.
BRING IT BACK TO THE WORKSHOP AND WE WILL DISCUSS IT.
NO DISRESPECT, MAURY, BUT I READ I, I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE.
ORDINANCE. BUT THEN THERE'S THE PROCESS.
THE PROBLEM IS OF IT WOULD BE NICE.
AND THEN ON THE WORKSHOP, FIRST MOVE IT TO THAT AND THEN.
SO ON THIS TYPE OF WORKSHOP AND WE HAD DETAIL ON IT.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON GAVE THE RULES THAT SHE IN FACT INSTRUCTED.
IT IS HOW MANY PAGES OF RULES, HOW MANY THINGS ARE WE GOING TO I DON'T THINK CHANGE ALL OF IT.
I DON'T THINK SHE'S I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DEFEND HER.
I THINK SHE'S SPECIFYING CERTAIN RULES SHE SPECIFIED RIGHT NOW WHAT SHE WANTS TO DISCUSS.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE WORKSHOP.
AND I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE SHOULD DO BETTER ON OUR PROCEDURES ON HOW TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMISSION WISHING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC ITEMS, CLARIFY IT TO HAVE COURTESY TO YOUR COMMISSION TO KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, TO BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ITEMS. YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOUR ITEMS ARE BAD.
YEAH, BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, MAYOR, EVERYONE HERE IS ELECTED, RIGHT? EVERYONE HERE.
YES IT DOES. EVERYONE HERE IS ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEIR DISTRICT.
I DON'T I DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S INCREDIBLE HOW THAT'S NOT UNDERSTOOD BY.
I DON'T THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, IS TO DISCUSS.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.
YOU SHARE WITH THEM WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS.
NOT A BIT. SO LET'S DISCUSS A PROBLEM WITH PROCEDURES AND COMING TO KNOW ME.
YOU'LL LEARN. I LIKE PROCEDURES THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
AND I BELIEVE THE PROCEDURES SHOULD BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS CHANGED.
PRESENT TO US. WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? PROCEDURES SHOULDN'T PROCEDURE CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T CONFLICT WITH POLICY.
IT'S NOT CONFLICTING. PROCEDURE CONFLICTS WITH POLICY.
BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW, PROCEDURE CONFLICTS WITH POLICY.
MAYOR AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
EVERYONE IN THIS ON THIS BOARD IS ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEIR DISTRICT AND HAS THE ENTITLEMENT.
EVERYONE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO BRING AN ITEM.
IF THEY WANT TO BRING AN ITEM, IT EITHER IT PASSES OR IT FAILS.
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AND WE GET A FEEL, THEN WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE.NO, I MR. PATTERSON, I THINK THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IS IS IS A WASTE OF TIME.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM HAVING A CHANGE OF IT.
THE COMMISSION HAD DECIDED TO NOT CHANGE IT.
AND IF WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT, THERE SHOULD BE THINGS IN PLACE THAT SAY, WHEN I'M BRINGING FORTH SOMETHING, HERE'S WHAT HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS SO PEOPLE ARE CLEAR WHAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED, RIGHT? THEN ALSO, CITY STAFF CAN MAKE SURE WHEN THEY KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED, TO MAYBE NOT HAVE NINE ITEMS ON A WORKSHOP BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON THERE.
SO INSTEAD, WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 10:00.
THERE ARE COMMITMENTS THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS.
SO IT'S CALLED THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROPERLY PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA AND WORK AS A TEAM.
THE ACCESS TO THE AGENDA YOU HAVE, THE NEXT STEPS ON THE AGENDA IS FOR PROCEDURE.
NOW IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION WHO DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE.
THAT IS WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS VERY CLEAR WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT TO ONLY HAVE CERTAIN PEOPLE FOLLOW PROCEDURES, BUT NOT EVERYBODY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EQUITY ONLY BELIEVES ON CERTAIN THINGS.
YOU CAN HUFF AND PUFF ALL YOU WANT.
YOU WANT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE PART OF THE GUILTY PROJECT ON THAT.
SO YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN EQUITY.
SO EITHER KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND STOP YOUR HUFF AND PUFF AND WE'LL GET SOMEWHERE.
SO DUE TO THE TIME AND THE FACT THAT YOU DO HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DISCUSS, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT FOR MAKING THESE PROCEDURES BETTER.
I AM ASKING YOU, RESPECTFULLY, TO SHARE THE REST OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REVIEW.
DUE TO THE TIME WE'LL PUT THIS ON THE NEXT MEETING.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S EVEN WORKSHOPPED AT THE COMMISSION MEETING IF THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR IT.
SO I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES FOR SUPPORT TO DISCUSS THE ITEM TODAY.
I HAD MY THING TURNED OVER FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES.
HI. LET ME START OFF BY SAYING, I AM SO GLAD YOU'RE ON THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL BRING A FRESH PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS, RIGHT? AND WE ALL COME FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS.
SO APOLOGIES FOR THE SHADE BEING THROWN BECAUSE I WAS IN THE MEETING WHEN WE DISCUSSED BRINGING DISCUSSION ITEM AND SOME ITEMS BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY FOR THE MOST PART DISCUSS STUFF AT THESE MEETINGS.
SOME ITEMS YOU WON'T HAVE BACKUP AND I HE DID READ THE BACKUP, RIGHT.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE DID VOTE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE BACKUP.
AND THIS IS A WORKSHOP AND THIS IS THE AVENUE.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS ABOUT, BUT ONCE YOU READ THE CODE, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S TRUE. AND YEAH, THEY DO RECOGNIZE THE THE PUBLIC.
I'M SORRY. IT'S 5:00 WHEN THE PUBLIC COME AND SPEAK.
AND I DO BELIEVE THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND NOW THAT YOU SAID ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID WAS LET THEM HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY FIRST.
I THINK THAT'S FAIR FOR US THAT THE PUBLIC HEAR WHAT OUR OPINIONS ARE BEFORE COMING TO SLAM US.
BUT I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY SHE CANNOT BRING UP AN ITEM TO BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE WE ALREADY STATED WOULD IT BE LAST YEAR OR SIX MONTHS AGO THAT WE CAN? THIS IS THE AVENUE FOR DISCUSSION.
SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND JUST CLARIFY ONE MORE TIME.
THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH BRINGING SOMETHING UP TO DISCUSS.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CHANGING RULES, THEN I AM GOING TO ASK IN THE CHANGE OF THE RULES, WHEN ONE OF US, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THE CITY STAFF, WE CANNOT TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. IT IS PROFESSIONAL NO COURTESY.
YOU HAVE A LIST OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS.
IT WOULD BE JUST AS EASY AS STICKING THIS 11 PAGES THAT WE HAVE OF WHAT THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE, AND SAY TO THE COMMISSION, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE WORKSHOP AND WHERE HOW THEY'RE HANDLED.
I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS POSSIBLY TIMING OF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WHATEVER ELSE MIGHT BE ON YOUR LIST.
THAT REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A HARD THING TO DO TO PUT US ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
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APPLIED. I GET YELLED AT IF I DON'T APPLY THEM EQUALLY TO APPLY THEM EQUALLY.AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THROUGH THIS COMMISSION TODAY IS TO APPLY THEM EQUALLY.
SO TODAY TELL US THE REST OF IT.
DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS, THIS WOULD BE APPRECIATED IF THIS IS MOVED TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR A FULL DISCUSSION WITH ALL THE ITEMS YOU WANT, AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE AND CREATE POLICY FROM THERE.
NOTHING'S GOING TO AFFECT WEDNESDAY NIGHT'S MEETING ANYWAY.
IT'S NOT LIKE WHATEVER WE TALK ABOUT WITH TIMING IS GOING TO CHANGE WEDNESDAY NIGHT'S MEETING.
IF THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT HOTBED ITEM AND YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO ASK THIS COMMISSION TO COME BACK AND SPEAK ABOUT IT AT ANOTHER TIME THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH STILL WOULDN'T AFFECT THE CHANGES BECAUSE IT'S AN ORDINANCE TYPE THING.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH TWO READINGS.
BUT LET'S GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY.
YEAH, BUT THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? LIKE NOW WE'RE SAYING BECAUSE OF TIME, WE CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WE'RE USING, YOU KNOW POWER TO SAY, LET'S END THE MEETING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME.
LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
SAY IT NOW. WE'LL COME BACK TO ANOTHER WORKSHOP LATER.
AND I'M SAYING NO, I'M ASKING MY COLLEAGUES FOR COLLEAGUES FOR CONSENSUS TO FINISH THE DISCUSSION.
TODAY IS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE WAY TO DO THINGS.
IT'S EITHER WE IT'S EITHER WE ARE ABLE TO PUT ITEMS ON A WORKSHOP FOR DISCUSSION OR NOT.
SO THERE'S TWO ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
SO THERE'S THREE THINGS TO DO MEETING.
SO WHAT IS THE OTHER? THE THIRD THING IS, IS TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO ALLOW FOR A COMMISSION.
REMARKS BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, EVERYONE HERE IS ELECTED.
I HAD TO TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE TO DO THAT.
COMMISSIONERS DESERVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A REMARK.
AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER THAT.
OKAY. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, JUST REMIND ME OF NUMBER ONE.
WHAT WAS THAT ONE? THE NUMBER ONE WAS PUBLIC COMMENTS AT A WORKSHOP ON FIRST READING.
I'M GOING. I AM THROUGH THE CHAIR AND IT'S THROUGH THE CHAIR.
SO YOU CAN ASK THROUGH THE CHAIR.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. NO, IT DOES, IT DOES.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU WERE.
YOU WERE JUST TALKING BACK AND FORTH WITH HER.
I ALSO AM GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'VE GOT IT RIGHT.
IF THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, TO INCLUDE ITEMS ON FIRST READING, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IN ALL REALITY THAT IF. IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SPEAK UNTIL SECOND READING, WE'VE NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO CONSIDER THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT ONE.
SINCE WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, IT APPEARS WITH THE CITY DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
IS THERE A REASON WHY THE RULES WERE PUT IN PLACE? BECAUSE WE USED TO ONLY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ONCE, AND THEN WE USED TO HAVE IT A PUBLIC HEARING AND QUASI JUDICIAL.
WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON THE REGULAR READINGS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
WHY WAS THE WHY WERE THE RULES CHANGED? TO PUT IT EVERYWHERE OTHER THAN FIRST READING AND WORKSHOP.
WORKSHOP IS SEPARATE. WELL, LET'S DEAL WITH ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE.
YOU'RE GETTING IT DISCUSSED TODAY.
I'M ASKING YOU TO DO ONE AT A TIME.
BUT, MAYOR, YOU'RE SAYING THAT LIKE IT'S A PRIVILEGE.
THE CODE SAYS I CAN DISCUSS IT LIKE IT IS BECAUSE.
BUT I'M FINE WITH THAT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, LET'S NOT SAY IT LIKE, YOU KNOW.
SO YOU AND I DISAGREE FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT HOW THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE, PERIOD.
SO SOME OF US, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE AGREE THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED THOUGH.
I'VE NEVER SAID IT DOESN'T BE OKAY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT ITEMS YOU WANT TO DISCUSS.
SO LET'S DISCUSS IT. THE PROCEDURE YOU'VE ASKED FOR CONSIDERATION.
YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT? NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
I'M SAYING WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE'S A SEPARATE REASON, POSSIBLY FOR WORKSHOPS.
LET'S DEAL WITH IT ONE AT A TIME.
WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR WHY IT WAS NOT PUT ON FIRST READING? AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE DISCUSS ITEMS ON FIRST READING AT PUBLIC COMMENT.
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OKAY, SO STATE STATUTE GOVERNS ORDINANCES AND WELL, IT COULD HAVE BEEN TOLD TO US TO US EARLIER, SO WE COULD HAVE ALLOTTED TIME PROPERLY.WELL, THEN, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
GO AHEAD. AND THEN, BASED ON STATE STATUTE, ORDINANCES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
ONE PUBLIC HEARING. SO SYSTEMATICALLY, SOME CITIES WOULD HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON SECOND READING.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE US IF WE'D LIKE TO GOING FORWARD.
STARTING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON FIRST READING.
AM I CORRECT? SO THE WAY IT GOES? YES, SHE'S CORRECT, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE CITY IS NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE FOR FIRST READING.
SO BUT NEVERTHELESS, I THINK FOR I HAVE MY EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION, SOME PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN ALLOWED. FIRST READING ORDINANCE DEPENDS ON THE ON THE COMMISSION.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME ORDINANCES THAT ARE TOO PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S COMING UP.
ANY AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS YOU MUST HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO ACCEPT COMMENTS COME WEDNESDAY ON THE FIRST, ON THE AMENDMENT, ON THE FIRST READING, BECAUSE STATE STATUTE SAYS IT'S TO PUBLIC HEARING AND WE NOTICED IT AS SUCH. BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING PRECLUDES YOU IF THAT'S A CONSIDERATION GOING FORWARD.
SO WE'VE GOT NOW THE BEING REQUEST OF EVERY ITEM ON THE AGENDA, BEING ABLE TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEN IT IS LET'S CLARIFY EXCEPT CONSENT AGENDA.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THE COMMENT SECTION IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR ANY ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA OR THAT'S ON FIRST READING THAT DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT OR EVEN CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT.
ARE YOU ASKING FOR THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO BE AFTER OUR DISCUSSION, PUBLIC COMMENTS TO BE AT THE END OF THE MEETING? NO, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT PER ITEM, LET'S SAY RESOLUTION TO IMPROVE STREETSCAPE.
OKAY. AND SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST PROCEDURALLY BEFORE THE ITEM IS DISCUSSED.
THOSE ARE DISCUSSED AFTER THE PRESENTATION AND BEFORE WE VOTE.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGES ON THAT.
NO ONE WANTS TO CHANGE ON THAT.
FINE. I MEAN, I'M NOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ASKING.
THERE'S NOBODY WE'RE KEEPING THE SAME PROCESS IN TERMS OF.
SO I THINK YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END, YOU SAID THE END CLARIFIED IT AT THE END OF AFTER WE'VE HEARD ALL OF OUR LEGISLATIVE ITEMS. NO, NO, LET'S IT'S THERE'S TWO ISSUES BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW.
IT'S THE ISSUE ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT RELATING TO AGENDA ITEMS, FIRST READING RESOLUTIONS.
SO YEAH, SO THOSE COMMENTS, I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR WAS INDICATING, WHEN SHOULD THOSE COMMENTS COME? I THINK WE HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK FIRST IN THE COMMISSION, DISCUSS, DISCUSSES.
SO THERE'S SO THAT'S NOT CHANGING.
THERE'S NO DESIRE FOR ANYBODY TO CHANGE.
BUT ARE YOU. SO WAIT A MINUTE.
ALL RIGHT. LET ME JUST PULL IT OUT OF THE BOOK.
WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING NOW FOR THE PENDING ORDINANCE REGARDING LAND USE DEVELOPMENT.
ITS MOTION, A PRESENTATION, IF NECESSARY, IS DONE, AND THEN I OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
RIGHT. AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE DONE AND IT COMES BACK FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
THAT PART STAYING THE SAME FROM WHAT I.
YEAH I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
SO YOU'RE ASKING THEN TO JUST BE ABLE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT FIRST READING INSTEAD OF US NOT HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT AT FIRST READING, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM THAT DOESN'T HAVE OTHER THAN CONSENT AGENDA THAT DOESN'T HAVE.
BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CONSIDER, THEN WE CAN CONSIDER IT.
NOW THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A SYSTEM, A SYSTEMATIC PROCESS ON HOW WE DO COMMENTS.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IS THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE WE'RE JUST ARGUING ABOUT WHEN PEOPLE CAN SPEAK.
SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO LAST MEETING? YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT WAS WRONG BECAUSE THE SAME PEOPLE CAME ON.
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BUT MAYOR, WE HAD THE PEOPLE SPEAKING ON ITEMS TWICE.WELL, I GET WHAT THAT PART IS.
WE STILL HAD TO BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
RIGHT. SO. SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT THE COMMISSION DO ITS BUSINESS, AND THEN THE COMMISSION CONSIDER PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON AGENDIZED ITEMS AT THE END OF LEGISLATIVE, THE LEGISLATIVE PORTION OF THE SECOND ISSUE.
SO THE FIRST ISSUE LET'S GET IS WHETHER WE ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT FOR FIRST READING.
OH JUST THAT LET'S CLEAR THAT OFF.
ARE WE ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER FIRST READING? THE ANSWER IS NO. SO ARE THEY GOING TO ARE WE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT FIRST READING? AND SECOND, ARE YOU SWITCHING IT FROM BOTH? BOTH. BUT SECOND WOULD BE ON A DIFFERENT AGENDA.
OKAY. YEAH. IT HAS TO BE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO. RIGHT. BUT THEY GET TO SPEAK THEN, DON'T THEY? I THINK THAT IF WE'RE NOT, IF PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD MOVE, IF PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD MOVE, AND WE THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO I WOULD THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO ALLOW COMMENTS ON FIRST.
SO CAN YOU CLARIFY? I'M CONFUSED. CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT? BECAUSE DOCTOR DANIEL, I'M HEARING THE MAYOR'S VOICE AND HERS AND IT GETS MIXED UP.
OKAY, NOW THAT RESIDENT TOOK OFF WORK AND COULDN'T SPEAK ON ON THE ITEM.
AND AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME LATITUDE WE HAVE GIVEN THAT YOU COULD SPEAK ABOUT THAT ITEM ON PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD. BUT NOW THAT RESIDENT SECOND READING WERE PUBLIC COMMENT, AS IS PERMITTED BY LAW.
SO WHAT? WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM BOTH FIRST AND SECOND.
YEAH. OKAY. AND IF THEY SOMETIME THEY MAY SHOW UP FIRST READING AND NOT SHOW UP SECOND READING, BUT NOT DURING THEIR ATTORNEYS WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR LITTLE SPELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. THAT WAS DIFFERENT.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT. SO WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON ANY TIME THAT'S EVER BEEN.
YEAH. WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON LETTING.
THEY COULD SPEAK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THERE'S GARBAGE OUTSIDE, RIGHT? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK ABOUT ANY ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
YEAH, I'M JUST CLARIFYING. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH YEAH, YEAH.
AND YEAH, IT ONLY HAPPENED THEN.
MAYBE IT ONLY HAPPENED THEN, BUT IT, IT OCCURRED.
YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S BOILED THIS ALL UP.
SO SO THE FIRST ISSUE THAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST READING.
I'M JUST IT'S FOR ME BECAUSE THE PUBLIC GET TO SPEAK WHEN THEY WANT TO SPEAK.
I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THEY GET TO SPEAK ON ITEM.
THAT ONE RIGHT HERE IS A CHAIR.
OKAY. CAN YOU ASK FOR CONSENSUS, MA'AM? I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ASK FOR THAT.
OKAY. AND THEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE DAIS WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS, AND SO THEY DID.
YOU HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO, NO.
NO QUESTION. I'M GOOD. I HAVE FROM THE VICE MAYOR.
I DIDN'T SAY, WHAT DO YOU YOU WANT IT ON FIRST READING? YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEING OFF.
I DIDN'T SAY I DON'T CARE. I SAID THAT GIVES A PERSON A MORE.
YES. YOU'RE FINE WITH IT? YES, YOU'RE FINE WITH IT. YOU'RE NOT AGAINST IT.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, FIRST READING.
YEAH, I'M FINE WITH WITH THAT.
YEAH. LET'S, LET'S ONE ISSUE AT A TIME.
SO YOU'RE FINE WITH FIRST READING, HAVING PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M FINE. COMMISSIONER BOLTON.
YES. THAT'S FINE. SO IN THE FUTURE, YOU WILL PREPARE SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE GO FORWARD.
OR CAN WE JUST DO IT? YOU CAN DO IT FINE.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT, BUT PUT IT IN WRITING.
WELL IT'S IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO GOING FORWARD WILL SCRIPT IT.
YEAH. SO WE'LL SCRIPT IT FOR WEDNESDAY.
NOW THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS TO PUT PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE BACK OF THE END OF THE MEETING AND TO NOW LIMIT IT TO TWO MINUTES VERSUS THREE.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. PATTERSON? YES.
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AND THAT REQUIRED CODE CHANGE.OKAY. JUST WANT TO BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE CODE THE WAY THE AGENDA IS FORMATTED.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THEM ON THE ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AROUND ITEMS THAT ARE NOT AGENDIZED. I MEAN, TWO MINUTES, I THINK IS SUFFICIENT.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, I THINK THAT THE IN OTHER CITIES MOSTLY, RESIDENTS HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. I THINK THAT IF WE REDUCE IT FROM 3 MINUTES TO 2 MINUTES, WE COULD BE CHALLENGED BECAUSE WE'RE ABRIDGING THEIR RIGHTS TO SPEAK.
RESIDENTS AND COMMISSIONERS ALIKE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
NO PERSON CAN ABRIDGE ONE'S RIGHT TO SPEAK.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THE MAYOR TELLS ME TO SHUT UP, THAT IS CALLED ABRIDGING MY RIGHTS TO SPEAK.
OKAY, SO SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
MOVING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE END OF THE MEETING, I THINK IS IS IS A GOOD IDEA.
STAFF IS ALSO WAITING FOR THOSE ITEMS TO BE DISCUSSED, AND WE'RE WAITING ON THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK.
A SECOND PART TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
IF IF THE AGENDA IS A PART OF THE CODE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE BECAUSE THIS MAYOR, WHO LIKES TO CHANGE THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING, WILL THEN SAY, I'M GOING TO ALLOW EVERYBODY TO SPEAK.
THAT IS NOT RIGHT. THAT IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL AND GOING AGAINST WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT, THAT SAME MAYOR DOES NOT WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
OKAY. SO SO WE NEED TO HOLD THE CODE, THE FOOT OF THE CODE THEN FIGURATIVELY TO THE FIRE.
30 MINUTE AGGREGATE FOR ALL FOR FOR THE RESIDENTS TO SPEAK.
THREE MINUTES. THAT'S TEN RESIDENTS.
MOVING IT TO THE END OF THE MEETING.
TOTALLY FINE. THE IDEA OF SPEAKING FIRST AND SECOND SPEAKING ON FIRST READING AND SECOND READING AND THEN MOVING THE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE END BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S PLAUSIBLE.
THE REASON IS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.
OKAY. SO THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO IF THIS MAYOR WOULD HAVE GIVEN ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WHEN I HAD THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
SO SPEAKING AT PUBLIC SPEAKING FIRST READING.
GREAT. IT GIVES THEM MORE ABILITY TO SPEAK ON THINGS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA, MOVING THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TO THE END OF THE MEETING AND STILL ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AGAIN, I'M NOT A JURIS DOCTOR.
I DON'T HAVE A SQUIRE BEHIND MY NAME, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THAT, THAT DEVIATES FROM OTHER CITIES, NOT JUST IN BROWARD COUNTY OR FLORIDA, BUT AROUND THE COUNTRY, YOU ARE OPENING UP YOURSELF TO A CAN OF WORMS. FOR INSTANCE, THE MAYOR OF DALTON ILLINOIS HAS BEEN BARRICADING STREETS, ALLEGEDLY.
KEEPING PEOPLE AWAY FROM MEETINGS.
SHE WENT TO COURT AND SHE LOST.
RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY MAKE UP RULES NOW.
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PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK.PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO, TO TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.
RIGHT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS SHOULD HAVE.
SOME LEVEL OF RESPECT AS WELL.
WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THE, THE THE THE PODIUM TO.
TO SPEAK THEY CANNOT BERATE COMMISSIONERS.
THEY CANNOT COME AND JUST SAY YOUR YOU ARE CRAZY OR SHUT UP BOLTON OR THAT SORT OF STUFF.
THOSE ARE. DEROGATORY COMMENTS.
THAT IS SPEECH, RIGHT? SIMILARLY, WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW RESIDENTS.
IN THE AUDIENCE TO HAVE DEROGATORY SIGNS AGAINST A COMMISSIONER.
AND REALLY AND TRULY, WE SHOULD HOLD THAT RULE TO THE FIRE AS WELL.
BECAUSE JUST REMEMBER, ELECTIONS ARE COMING UP IN TWO YEARS.
SO WE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT DID NOT BOTHER ME AT ALL.
MY BACK IS BROAD. I'M YOU KNOW, I WON MY ELECTION ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN COME WITH ALL THE SIGNS YOU WANT.
YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM AND SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT.
DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S OIL THAT RUNS OFF OF MY BACK.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN RESIDENTS ARE COMING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, THEY'RE JUST COMING FOR POLITICAL REASONS AND SOMETIMES INVITED BY THE SAME MAYOR.
SO YOU THROW OUT ANY WINDOWS IN THIS WORKSHOP.
THEN OF COURSE WE'LL THROW OUT ANY WINDOWS TWO.
RIGHT. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A PLACE OF FACTS ENTIRELY.
ON THE ON THE ITEM OF COMMISSIONERS HAVING THE ABILITY TO SPEAK AT WILL, ASKING THE MAYOR TO BE RECOGNIZED.
AND THEN SAY TO ANOTHER ONE, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT DOES NOT WORK.
THAT IS NOT BECOMING OF A MAYOR.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO NOT BE DEROGATORY.
JUST LIKE HOW YOU STATED YOUR OPINION.
TO TELL ME TO SHUT UP THREE, THREE TIMES.
THREE TIMES. AND SINCE YOU CHANGED THE RULES AND YOU ARE NOT RUDE AND YOU ARE NOT RUDE, COME ON.
SIMILARLY, IN BROWARD COUNTY, SIMILARLY IN BROWARD COUNTY, WE DON'T SEE I DON'T SEE A MAYOR MAKING A SECOND TO MOTIONS. RIGHT.
SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE THAT TO BE DISCUSSED.
AND EACH OF US DO, DURING AN ITEM CAN DISCUSS IDEAS AND COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE IDEAS.
AGAIN, YOU CANNOT JUST MAKE A RULE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BENEFIT YOU.
SO THROUGHOUT BROWARD COUNTY, MAYORS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE SECONDS TO MOTIONS.
SO I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE DONE AWAY WITH.
NUMBER TWO I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS MAYOR SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST ADJOURN A MEETING ARBITRARILY JUST BECAUSE SHE FEELS THREATENED BY WHAT MIGHT BE SAID, OR SHE DOES NOT LIKE WHAT IS GOING TO BE SAID.
THEREFORE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE CONSENSUS TO HAVE ADJOURNMENTS BE ON FOR ADJOURNMENTS TO HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.
SO WE'D LIKE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
MAY I HAVE A I MAY HAVE A SECOND OR SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
THAT WAY, EVERYBODY FEELS RESPECTED.
WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE ARE BEING RUSHED THROUGH A MEETING.
IT IS NOT. THIS IS NOT SOME COUNTRY WHERE WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
AND THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT A BANANA REPUBLIC.
SO AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO ENGAGE IN THAT HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, BEHAVIOR THAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND REALLY AND TRULY WE'RE GOING TO BE BETTER, RIGHT?
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SO I HEAR YOU, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.AND I HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES ALSO HEAR ME ON THE TWO ITEMS THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD.
NO SECOND FOR FOR FOR A MAYOR.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE FIRST OR SECOND.
AND ADJOURNING A MEETING SHOULD REQUIRE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
SO IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHAT ARE SOME PEOPLE SO AFRAID OF? AND THERE'S BEEN NO ADJOURNMENT.
THERE WAS JUST ALSO A DISCUSSION ABOUT.
YES, BUT I ALSO DO KNOW THAT YOU ALREADY ALSO DON'T THREATEN US.
I DIDN'T DO IT NOW DID I? YOU SAID SO SEVERAL TIMES.
AS A MATTER OF FACT. AS A MATTER OF FACT ON.
NO NO NO NO NO NO. DO NOT APPROACH MY RIGHT TO SPEAK.
BUT I'M TALKING NOW. NO, NO, BUT I HAVE THE FLOOR.
NO, NO. AND YOU ALREADY SAID YOU'RE DONE.
AND SO AND SO YOU JUST DECIDE.
JUST JUST JUST REMEMBER JUST JUST REMEMBER.
RIGHT. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT THAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PERSONAL BEEFS WITH ME.
WHATEVER IT IS, WHATEVER YOU'RE AFRAID OF, RIGHT? OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU YOU ACT THAT WAY.
SO CHILDISH. WHATEVER I YOUR MIRROR WITH, I GET UNDER YOUR SKIN.
MAYBE, BUT BUT BUT BUT HEAR, HEAR THIS CLEARLY THAT THAT IF THIS MAYOR DOES THAT TO ME, THEN SHE WILL DO THAT TO SOME OF YOU OR ALL OF YOU AT A GIVEN POINT.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THAT THE RESIDENTS VOICE AT CITY HALL IS ALWAYS HEARD.
SO THAT IS WHY WHEN THE MEETING IS OVER, INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO PONTIFICATE AND DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO POLITICIZE AND WEAPONIZE HAS BEEN A WORD THAT HAS BEEN USED.
THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN ENDED BECAUSE THAT IS STILL IN MY POWER.
IF YOU SHOULD EVER GET TO BE SO FORTUNATE, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE COMMISSION TO PUT THOSE POWERS BACK.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT IN MIND, BECAUSE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY I CAN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS ALREADY AND WHY SOME OF THESE MEETINGS LAST AD NAUSEAM, IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT BECAME A COMMISSION RUNNING A MEETING VERSUS THE RULES IN PLACE THAT ARE FOR THE MAYOR TO RUN THE MEETING.
I KNOW IT IS PAINFUL FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WERE ONLY ELECTED BY THE DISTRICT, AND SOME OF US WERE ELECTED CITYWIDE, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT.
SOME OF US THINK FOR OURSELVES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE MAYOR HAVING THE ABILITY TO SECOND, WHAT ARE PEOPLE SO AFRAID OF? AND I DIDN'T JUST DECIDE TO DO THIS ON MY OWN.
I WAS TOLD BY OUR ATTORNEYS AT THE TIME I COULD.
AND SO WHAT ARE PEOPLE AFRAID OF IF I SECOND SOMETHING? ARE YOU AFRAID THAT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT GET THROUGH THAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD NOT GET THROUGH? IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, ME SECONDING SOMETHING, THEN THAT IS ON YOU.
AND TO ADJOURN A MEETING WHICH NEEDS TO FINISH AT THE END OF WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA.
THOSE ARE THE RULES. YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT? CHANGE IT? I DO NOT CARE.
BUT, MAYOR, SHE WAS ON THE AGENDA.
SO TO ASK TO ADJOURN THE MEETING TODAY.
I SAID I COULD, BUT I ASKED FOR POLICY.
AND I ASKED FOR CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A SHORT ITEM.
VICE MAYOR JEN, I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH YOU, BUT YOU DON'T CALL MY NUMBER.
I KNOW IT'S LATE AND WE'RE ALL TIRED AND FRUSTRATED.
POSSIBLY, BUT I WILL CALL YOUR NUMBER.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND HER.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON IS YOUR AGENDA.
IT WAS ON THE AGENDA. MY PROBLEM, AS I HAVE SAID, THAT NOBODY LIKES TO HEAR BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR, IS THAT THERE ARE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND THEY'RE USUALLY BACK UP AND THERE'S DISCUSSION OF EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR.
SO THERE COULD BE A CONSOLIDATED DISCUSSION OF WHAT'S GOING ON VERSUS HAPHAZARD.
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I DO NOT CARE. SO THAT'S BEEN THE PROBLEM WITH IT.I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF ACCESS TO THE AGENDA, BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH NOT HAVING THE INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA OF WHAT ITEMS NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
SO WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE A WHOLE ORDINANCE OR A WHOLE POLICY AND PROCEDURE, THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERATE IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING AN AGENDA ITEM OUT THERE TO SAY, THESE ARE THE ITEMS ON THIS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, THIS IS MY AGENDA ITEM.
THESE ARE THE BULLET POINTS I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS.
I DID IT WHEN I BROUGHT FORTH ASKING FOR HOUSING CHANGES.
SO WHEN WE CAN HAVE ASSISTANCE AND MONEY GOING TO RENTERS AND FOR HOS AND CEOS FOR THEIR ASSOCIATION, MONEY GOING UP AND TRYING TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I BROUGHT IT UP AND I PUT THINGS VERY SPECIFICALLY, AND I HAD EVERYTHING IN THE BACKGROUND, SO THERE'S NO QUESTION OF WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR.
IT WAS, IN MY OPINION, COURTEOUS.
AND THEN THE CITY STAFF KNEW EXACTLY HOW TO PUT ON THAT AGENDA.
AS FOR PUTTING THE AGGREGATE OF 30 MINUTES.
SO. OKAY, BUT IT'S IN THE CODE ALREADY.
I KNOW, BUT THANK YOU VERY KINDLY.
CITY ATTORNEY, YOU DID SAY THAT THEY CAN CHANGE THE RULES BY A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CHANGE THAT.
NOBODY HAS EVER HAD THE STRENGTH ON THE DAIS TO SAY, MAYOR, I WANT TO STOP PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONES CRITICIZED. AND IT'S A GENERAL COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR.
DON'T MAKE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU.
RIGHT. BUT ARE YOU SAYING A STATEMENT LIKE THAT? I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE WANTS PUBLIC COMMENT TO STOP.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY IT MAY NOT BE A PARTICIPATION.
IT MAY NOT BE TRUE. BECAUSE WHAT I JUST HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS THAT I LET PEOPLE GO ON AND WE GO PAST 30 MINUTES ON PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT IF WE DID PUBLIC COMMENTS, IT SHOULD BE TEN PEOPLE ONLY AND WE'VE HAD MORE THAN TEN PEOPLE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.
THAT'S WHAT THE CODE YOU'VE CRITICIZED ME.
CRITICIZING YOU. I'M CRITICIZING YOU.
NO IT'S NOT. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE CODE ARBITRARILY.
IT ALLOWS ME THE ABILITY TO PROCEED WITH THE COMMISSION MEETINGS TO ALLOW THINGS TO CONTINUE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT I CAN'T REARRANGE THE AGENDA WITHOUT HAVING YOU CHANGE THE CODE.
SO ANYWAY, IF YOU WOULD JUST GROW UP AND BE PROPER AND CONSIDERATE HIGH SCHOOL BEHAVIOR.
PART OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, HAVE NOT BEEN AN ISSUE UP UNTIL THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS VERY PARTICULAR TO SOMEONE ON THE COMMISSION, AND IT WASN'T PUT ON THE DAIS IN A MANNER IN WHICH PEOPLE FELT THEY CAN SPEAK.
THAT'S WHY THERE WAS A ONE OFF.
I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 14 YEARS.
THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR ANYTHING FURTHER ON IT.
AS FOR THE REQUEST OF PUTTING IT AT THE END, I THINK THAT DOES A DISSERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO TELL A RESIDENT THAT THEY HAVE TO BE HERE AT 10:00, 11:00, 1130.
WHEN IS OUR CUT OFF? UNLESS WE EXTEND IT, THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY UP SO LATE THAT, I THINK, WILL STIFLE OUR RESIDENTS ABILITIES TO COME AND HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AT THEIR OWN COMMISSION MEETINGS IF WE'RE TO PUT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT THE END.
I ALSO, I DON'T DISAGREE ABOUT KEEPING IT AT THREE MINUTES.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO KEEP IT AT THREE MINUTES.
NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO THREE MINUTES.
I APPRECIATE THE POWER THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME THAT I DON'T ACTUALLY POSSESS.
I DON'T CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE SAY.
I DON'T CONTROL IF THEY'RE UPSET AND THEY WANT TO COME TO CITY HALL AND SAY IT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY POOP ABOUT ME TOO WHEN THEY COME TO CITY HALL.
IF THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS ASKING TO BRING FORWARD IN THE ORDINANCE, THEN.
AND THE CITY ATTORNEY IS SHAKING HIS HEAD LIKE IT'S A BAD IDEA.
SO I'M BEING ACCUSED OF HAVING PEOPLE PUT SIGNS AND THEN BEING BLAMED THAT I ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.
IT SAYS RIGHT. IT SAYS IN THERE.
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THAT I HAVE BEEN.SHE CAN'T HAVE AN OFFENSIVE SIGN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY DEAL WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT OF SPEECH.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE A SIGN.
I MEAN, IT'S A SUBJECTIVE COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES OF OF SIGN SPEECH, YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THOSE ISSUES GENERALLY BECAUSE OF STRICT CONSTRUCTION.
AND REALLY AND WITH RESPECT TO MY EXPERIENCE, YOU, YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE THE COMMISSION MEETING IS REALLY A PUBLIC FORUM, YOU WEIGH IN FAVOR OF SPEECH BECAUSE TRUST ME, I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO WIN THAT IN COURT.
NOT BECAUSE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE SPEAKING FOR THREE MINUTES.
I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THE TWO MINUTES.
I THINK THAT THE THREE MINUTES, THE THREE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE IT. I AGREE.
VICE MAYOR DANIEL AND COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
SO WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH THIS PART.
THERE'S STILL OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE FOR DISCUSSION THAT HAVE JUST BEEN ADDED.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THIS.
VICE MAYOR. THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THIS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THREE MINUTES OR AT THE END.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR.
SO WE'RE DOING IT THE FIRST READING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO FIRST READING THAT THE PEOPLE COULD SPEAK.
WE'RE NOW UP TO WHETHER OR NOT PUBLIC COMMENTS, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
AND THIS IS THE PART WHERE I SAID IT DIDN'T MATTER TO ME BECAUSE I'M ACCUSTOMED TO IT.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION BEING IN PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SLOT WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT, OR AT THE END.
YEAH, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOU.
SO THREE MINUTES SEEMS TO BE HAVING CONSENSUS, BUT COMMISSIONER RIGHT.
YES. I'M. I'M FOR I'M FOR THREE MINUTES.
I ACTUALLY PREFER AT THE FRONT OF THE MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE A SENIOR COMMUNITY.
PUBLIC PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE AT THE FRONT OF THE MEETING.
I'LL PREFER THAT PART IN TERMS OF THE AGGREGATE.
YES, I'VE SEEN THAT IN THE CODE.
SO I GET THE MAYOR'S POINT, AND NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS BACKUP.
BUT I THINK CERTAIN THINGS, SOMETHING AS BIG AS THIS WHEN I LOOKED IN THERE WAS VERY VAGUE.
IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I WASN'T SURE WHERE TO START OR WHAT TO READ.
THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE. NOT EVERYTHING.
WE'LL KNOW WHAT NEEDS BACKUP AND WHAT DON'T NEED BACKUP.
SO THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE SO I CAN HAVE A BETTER DISCUSSION.
I LIKE THE PART WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
I DID DO THAT IN OTHER CITIES.
I THINK WE SHOULD IMPLEMENT THAT.
I THINK WE HAD THAT BEFORE. WHEN DID THAT CHANGE? WHY DID THAT CHANGE? WHY WOULD THAT BE AT THE END? I THINK THE PART WHERE I WAS INTERESTED IN HER DISCUSSION WAS THAT YOU DID IT.
SO PLEASE ALLOW ME WAS THAT THE PEOPLE SPEAK, BUT THEY NEVER HEARD THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE ABOUT IT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS INTERESTED IN WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY, BECAUSE THEY JUST HAD A AND THEN THEY LEAVE.
SO THE END WOULD HAVE HELPED BECAUSE THEN THEY LEAVE.
AND THEY COME BACK THE NEXT WEEK WITH THE SAME THING.
BUT YOU NEVER STAYED TO LISTEN.
SO WHICH SO WHICH PART ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'M CONFUSED. YEAH. DIFFERENT THINGS.
YEAH, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WAS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT REGARDING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
YEAH. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID, THOUGH.
THEY NEVER STAY FOR THE MEETING.
SO THEY NEVER HEAR WHAT WAS REALLY DISCUSSED OR SAID.
SO WE'RE STILL NOT FIXING THAT PROBLEM.
BUT THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE COMING FOR, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ARE NOT ITEMS WE'RE FIXING DURING A MEETING, BECAUSE THEY'RE ITEMS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T MATTER.
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BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONER.RIGHT. MY THING IS DEAD. WHAT COMMISSIONER RYAN IS TALKING ABOUT IS JUST FOR SAKE OF CLARITY.
YES, TWO SEPARATE THINGS. THE COMMISSIONER REMARKS, IS DIFFERENT FROM PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
I ALREADY DID NUMBER ONE. NUMBER ONE, I SAID I'M IN FAVOR OF AT THE FRONT OF THE LINE, AT THE FRONT OF THE MEETING BECAUSE OF THE THREE, THE SENIORS AND AND YEAH, I TOTALLY GET THAT. BUT I JUMPED ON TO SAY BUT THEN THEY DO LEAVE.
YEAH. THEY DON'T HEAR WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
SO THEY GO BACK WITH THE SAME BLINDED OPINION.
YES. I SEE IN OTHER CITY THAT'S I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO PUT THAT IF IT'S A CONCERN.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF VALID POINTS ON WHY WE SHOULD RECONSIDER MOVING THAT TO THE END.
AND TO YOUR POINT, JUST FROM FOR SAKE OF VICE MAYOR.
WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO REGARDING COMMISSIONER REMARKS IS JUST, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE HAVING SOMETHING IN YOUR DISTRICT OR SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE SEPARATE AND APART FROM PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, RIGHT? WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
SO THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I THOUGHT WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS TO HEAR AN ANSWER TO THEIR QUESTION.
NO, NO, THIS IS JUST I'M GOING ONLINE.
IT SEEMS LIKE I HEARD CONSENSUS ON THREE MINUTES.
YEAH. PUBLIC COMMENT. WE GOT THAT DOWN.
LIKE I REALLY WASN'T ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
SO THEN THE DISCUSSION DESPITE TRYING TO DO ITEM PER ITEM PER ITEM, THEN SOMEBODY WENT OFF AND GAVE ALL THEIR OTHER ITEMS. SO I'M TRYING TO PUT IT BACK TO ITEM PER ITEM.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SO, SO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I'LL WORK WITH YOU.
VICE MAYOR DANIELS PUBLIC COMMENTS I SAY THREE MINUTES AT THE FRONT OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
SORRY, MY MY TAKE IS THREE MINUTES AT THE FRONT OF THE MEETING.
WHAT WHAT IS YOUR I THINK YOU YOU YOU I SAID I DIDN'T MIND, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HEARING WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AND JUST SAY SOMETHING AND LEAVE AND EVERYBODY. SO YOU WANT IT AT THE BACK OF THE MEETING.
BUT IF YOU TRULY WANTED CHANGE, YOU WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING.
THAT'S THE PART, AND THAT'S WHAT I GRAVITATE TO.
WHEN SHE OPENED HER DISCUSSION, LIKE HOW YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT'S TOTALLY WRONG AND LEAVE.
BUT THE THING IS, THE PART IS THAT THEY MAY NOT STAY, THEY MAY, MAY COME.
WHAT IF THEY COME AT THE END AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WATCH THE MEETING ANYWAY? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR THE MEETING ANYWAY.
SO BUT AT LEAST THEY COULD HAVE WATCHED IT ON THEIR PHONE FIRST OR SOMETHING.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE THAT BOTHERS ME.
AND THEN I CAN COME DOWN AND TALK TO YOU TILL THE END.
BUT YOU'RE NOT THERE. YOU'RE GONE.
THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A PROCESS.
IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE HAD A PROCESS WHEN THE RESIDENT SPEAKS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE TRIED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOWED.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING AND THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT SOMETHING, IT IS THE COMMISSIONER IN YOUR DISTRICT WHEN THEY GIVE US AN ADDRESS, RIGHT? IF YOU DON'T, IF THEY DON'T GIVE US AN ADDRESS AND WHERE THEY LIVE, IT'S SOMETIMES WE KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE, SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE.
AND THEN MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ASK STAFF TO LET US KNOW WHICH COMMISSION DISTRICT THE PERSON'S CAME FROM, SO THE RESPECTIVE COMMISSIONER COULD MAKE A COMMENT TO THEM AFTERWARDS AND HELP THEM OUT AFTERWARDS.
I SEE THAT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW? BUT LET'S LET'S COME COMMISSIONER CONSENSUS.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT, KEISHA? FRONT OR BACK? DOCTOR? SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T CARE.
SO DO YOU WANT FRONT OR BACK? THE THE START OF THE MEETING.
THE END OF THE MEETING? WHY NOT TO BE THE VOTE? BECAUSE ACTUALLY, THERE'S TWO OF US THAT WANTED IN THE FRONT AND TWO OF US HAVE WANTED IN THE END.
YEAH. AND SO THEREFORE YOU ARE THE YOUR CELL ON THE FRONT WAS THAT SENIORS.
AND THEY. YEAH. END OF THE MEETING.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE. YOU SEE THEM LEAVING EARLY AT A CERTAIN TIME.
SO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
MOST OF THEM GO HOME AND WATCH ON.
NO. YEAH, WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT.
WE DON'T READ IT. NO, YOU CAN'T READ IT.
BUT BUT WE DO ACCEPT AS PART OF THE RECORD.
BUT WE DON'T YEAH, BECAUSE SOME BECAUSE THERE USED TO BE ABUSE.
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WE HAD SOME OF THIS ONLY DURING COVID.IT IS NOT A WORKABLE SOLUTION.
WE'VE TRIED ALL OTHER KINDS OF TECHNOLOGY.
YEAH. THAT'S DONE. THAT'S THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST.
OKAY. SO SO SO WHAT IS IT YOU SAID? SO, KEISHA, YOU'RE YOU'RE.
I'M HAVING TWO VOICES IN MY HEAD.
NO. I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT'S BEST.
BECAUSE I DO WANT. I DO WANT THE SENIORS TO HAVE A VOICE.
BUT I DO WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO HAVE A VOICE, TOO.
BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THE OTHER THING.
THEY'RE SPEAKING ON STUFF THAT WE'RE NOT HANDLING BUSINESS ON.
AND THAT'S WHY I PROPOSE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO FIRST READING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT ON FIRST READING.
BUT I THINK THAT WAS JUST A PROPOSAL.
OUR MEETINGS GENERALLY DO GO PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND IF WE DO MOVE IT TO AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET HATS THROWN AT ME, IF WE DO MOVE IT TO THE END, THEN THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE SOME RIGHT? IF THE MEETING IS GOING LONG OR WE SHOULD HAVE SOME RIGHT TO VOTE.
BUT I'M SAYING BUT THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PART.
AND IF WE'RE GOING NO IT DOES.
IT'S LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND THERE'S AN AGGREGATE OF 30 MINUTES NO MATTER WHAT.
WENT INSIDE THE FRONT OF THE MEDIAN.
THERE'S NOT THAT MANY TIMES WHEN THERE'S THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK OVER 30 MINUTES.
IT'S ONLY WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT.
AND MAYOR YOU WOULD ALLOW WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IF THE MEETING GOES LONG AT 11:00.
RIGHT. BECAUSE 1130 WE HAVE TO END.
AND THE THING IS, I GET YOUR POINT.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AN AGENDA ITEM.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SIT THERE AND WAIT TO HAVE ACCESS TO US.
THEY WANT TO SAY THAT THEY'VE TRIED MAKING PHONE CALLS AND WE HAVEN'T CALLED THEM BACK.
MAYBE THEY'VE CALLED THE WRONG NUMBER BECAUSE I KNOW WE ALL CALL PEOPLE BACK.
BUT WHATEVER IT IS, THEY'RE NOT HAVING ACCESS TO CITY HALL.
YES, THERE MIGHT BE CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT HAVE POLITICAL THINGS THEY MAY WANT TO FEEL FREE TO SAY, BUT THE PREDOMINANT PEOPLE THAT COME FROM WHEN THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, THEY HAVE AN ISSUE AND THEY WANT TO BE HEARD.
AND IN ALL HONESTY, THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE PEOPLE I TRULY WANT TO HEAR.
I'M JUST BEING HONEST AND IT'S LATE.
SO HONESTY IS ALL I GOT IS IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME CREW THAT COME AND SAY THE SAME STUFF.
NO, NO. YES. I DEFINITELY WANT THOSE VOICES TO BE HEARD.
I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE COULD FIX THAT IS HAVE IT FOR THE 30 MINUTES TIME.
CERTAIN. AND THEN HOW WOULD YOU YOU SAY THERE'S NEVER MORE THAN TEN PEOPLE.
THERE'S RARELY MORE THAN TEN PEOPLE.
THE ONLY TIME WE'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE COME TO DISCUSS OUR MAJOR SITE PLAN.
WOODLANDS, WOODMONT, SHAKER VILLAGE.
WHAT OTHER MAJOR SITE PLAN ITEMS THAT WE HAVE THAT COME BEFORE US? IT'S THOSE ARE WHEN THEY COME UP AND THAT'S WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE SET FIVE.
I COULD NAME THEM. I KNOW THEM BY HEART.
NO. YEAH. NO, NO. EVERYTHING RIGHT.
BUT WE CAN'T TELL THEM NOT TO COME.
NO, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S NOT EVEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.
WE JUST DISCUSSED SO BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN THE BEGINNING OR THE END, NOW WHAT.
AND I HEAR AND IT'S LEGITIMATE.
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE FOR THE END? MINE IS THAT THEY GET TO HEAR THE MEETING LIKE WE'RE FORCING THEM TO HEAR THE MEETING, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME TO THE MEETING.
THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO COME.
AND ALSO FOR A MENTAL HEALTH HEARING, AT FIRST IT'S LIKE, GIVE US A LOT OF TIME.
YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO HEAR IS LIKE, COMMISSIONER.
DANG. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF CAN DO AND THE MANAGER CAN DO IN HIS REPORT, IF SOMEONE HAS COME IN THERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT GARBAGE OR STREET, THEY THEY CAN HAVE A STAFF LIAISON COULD COME AND TALK TO THAT PERSON AT RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING SO THE MANAGER CAN
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DISCLOSE UP FRONT, OKAY.SO PART OF YOUR REPORT EVERY WEEK.
IF YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, YOU CAN STILL SPEAK ON IT, YOU KNOW.
BUT IF THAT'S A CONCERN, SO YOU SAY NO, THE TOPICS FIRST AND THEN TOPICS THAT STAFF CAN ADDRESS.
WHAT I'M SAYING AREN'T YOU CONCERNED ABOUT? LET'S SAY RESIDENTS COME IN.
THEY'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
THAT AGENDA WOULD NOT MATTER TO THEM.
YOU CAN SPEAK ON FIRST READING BASED ON THE CONSENSUS, BUT PLUS YOU GOT A FULL TIME LEAVE NOW.
THEY REALLY HAVE A GENUINE ISSUE.
SO WHAT CAN BE DONE DURING MANAGEMENT REPORT IS THAT IF YOU CAME HERE BECAUSE OF CERTAIN ISSUES THAT RELATE TO SERVICES, THEN YOU CAN HAVE A STAFF PERSON SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE AND TAKE YOUR NUMBER, PHONE NUMBER AND ADDRESS IT AT A LATER TIME OR AND YOU IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT.
IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE HOW WE DID SOMETHING.
I THINK IF THEY'RE MAD AT US, THEY WANT TO SPEAK.
PERIOD. NO, NO, YOU THEY CAN BE MAD AT THE SERVICE.
NO ONE IS TELLING. THEY COULD SPEAK.
BUT TO ADDRESS THE RESPONSIVENESS OF THE QUESTION YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE.
OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH.
SO WE WOULD PUT IT IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH THIS, PLEASE SEE SUCH AND SUCH.
SO WE KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S ADDRESSED.
NO, NO, CRT IS USUALLY THE UPDATES THAT YOU SHOULD BE RECEIVING.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TELL US HOW TO BEHAVE BETTER ARE NOT HAVING LEGITIMATE ITEMS. I HAVE A I HAVE A BALANCE THE DAY ONES WE DO AT THE END, THE NIGHT ONES WE DO AT THE BEGINNING.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? I CAN COMPROMISE.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
AT LEAST BE SOMEWHERE AND SEE HOW IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.
I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T LIKE IT WHATEVER.
CAN WE DO THAT? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT I DON'T HAVE THE DAYTIME? YEAH. YEAH.
I KNOW THAT MY MEETING STARTS AT 930.
I REALLY WANT TO TALK TO THE COMMISSION.
I'VE ASKED MY BOSS IF I CAN COME IN LATE.
NO, YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT. AND.
YEAH, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE AT WORK, AND I WANT I KNOW I'D BE ABLE TO HAVE MYSELF HEARD BY 10:00, AND I CAN GET TO MY OFFICE BY 1030 IF I CAN GO TO MY CITY COMMISSION MEETING, BECAUSE THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND I WORK DOWN IN FORT LAUDERDALE, SO I'M IN THE FRONT.
I WANTED TO BEGIN ANYONE AT THE BEGINNING.
SO, COMMISSIONER DANIEL, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS AND I'M THE TIEBREAKER.
BAM! WELL, THAT'S NOT BEEN SUPPORTED YET.
SO IN, IN IS THERE A CONSENSUS FOR.
SO IF YOU DON'T GET CONSENSUS EVERYBODY ON A DIFFERENT PAGE WHERE IT IS.
DANIEL. VICE MAYOR DANIEL, YOU SAID YOU WANTED, AND THEN YOU SAID, NO, YOU DON'T.
SO, NO, I SAID, I WANT BOTH, BUT NONE OF YOU AGREE WITH BOTH.
I SAID IN THE DAY, PUT IT AT THE END.
AT NIGHT. PUT IT AT THE BEGINNING.
BUT THEY'LL GET THEIR AGENDA IN TIME.
DON'T GET THEIR AGENDA EARLY TO SEE WHERE IT IS.
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'VE GOT OUR PRESENTATIONS AND WE HAVE DISCUSSION AND THEN WE HAVE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SIGNING UP TO SPEAK ON AN ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING OR SECOND READING OR THE END OF THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S THE END OF THE AGENDA.
WE DON'T HAVE A TIME OF WHEN THE AGENDA ENDS.
RIGHT? OUR MEETINGS STARTED TODAY AT TEN.
AND THEN WE STILL HAVE TWO OTHER ITEMS THAT I'LL GO TO THE END AND SEE HOW THAT WORK.
AND IF IT DON'T WORK, WE COME BACK AGAIN.
THE CONSENSUS IS THEN FOR AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE AND THEREFORE THIS ONE DOES NOT GO INTO EFFECT ON WEDNESDAY.
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CORRECT. SO WEDNESDAY I KNOW THERE'S MORE TO DO.WEDNESDAY. COULD YOU JUST AGREE TO THE TWO DAYS.
OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EFFECT BECAUSE VICE MAYOR SOME OF US GOMEZ.
MOVE ON, MOVE ON. SO THE CONSENT THE CONSENSUS IS THERE'S A COUPLE WOULD LIKE IT TO GO TO THE END.
SO I'M WILLING TO COMPROMISE WITH YOU.
WE NEED MORE THAN TWO. WE NEED SOMEBODY ELSE.
OKAY. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE? DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS FOR THAT? FOR COMMISSIONER COMMISSION REPORTS AT THE END.
I WAS ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT.
WE HAD THAT BEFORE, DIDN'T WE? YES, WE TOOK IT OFF.
FOR WHAT REASON? THE ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED.
THERE WAS A REQUEST POLICY DECISION TO REMOVE IT.
SO IT WAS YOU KNOW, IT DOES TAKE THREE VOTES, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE POWER THAT I DON'T POSSESS, EVEN THOUGH I WISH I DID.
SO WHAT WAS THE TIME SINCE I'M BEING BLAMED FOR IT.
WHY DON'T I SHARE? OKAY, SO LIMIT THE TIME.
THERE WAS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, POLITICS? I'M SORRY. ALL OF US.
YOU DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THE HISTORY MATTERS.
THANK YOU FOR WHY THERE MAY WANT TO BE SOME PARAMETERS AROUND THIS.
I WAS ASKED A QUESTION. I WILL FINISH IT.
WE DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE STILL HERE.
THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
THERE WERE POLITICAL THINGS THAT WERE PUT IN THERE, LITERALLY POLITICS.
AND THEN THEY WERE THERE WERE THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE GOING TO POLITICAL ITEMS, PEOPLE THEN ACTUALLY MAKING COMMENTS, POLITICAL COMMENTS AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION AND PHOTOGRAPHS AND DRAWINGS THAT WERE DONE.
SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC OR THE COMMISSION WANTS TO HAVE THEIR COMMENTS OR REPORTS, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HAVING REPORTS THAT ARE ACTUAL VERBAL REPORTS.
BUT I'LL GIVE MY OPINION LATER.
I'M FOR FIVE MINUTES. I THINK FIVE MINUTES IS ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO CONCLUDE THE REPORT.
I'M. I'M OKAY WITH FIVE MINUTES AT THE END.
VICE MAYOR. THAT'S AFTER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
WELL, ACTUALLY, IT POSSIBLY WILL BE A KIND OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
TO GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO RESPOND IF YOU NEED TO.
I'M OFF. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE CONCERN.
NO, NOT WELL, I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU HAVE THREE, BUT IT IS VERBAL.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS VERBAL.
WE'RE NOT HAVING VIDEOS AND THEN HAVING THINGS THAT ARE NOT HANDED TO JIM IN A PROPER FORMAT AND THEN DELAYS AND THEN DELAYS AND MORE DELAYS AND FIVE MINUTES VERBAL.
FIRST, IT SHOULD HAVE SOME IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PEOPLE HERE, THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.
SO IF THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY IS FOR YOU TO YOU TO BRING PEOPLE TO BERATE US.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE GO, IF WE GO, WHAT IF WE GO TO WASHINGTON? IF WE GO TO TALLAHASSEE? YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING.
ALL OF ALL OF YOU SPEAK TO EACH OTHER THROUGHOUT TODAY.
NO, BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID I'M ATTACKING YOU.
BECAUSE YOU ARE. YOU'RE GIVING ME GO.
BUT NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE.
YES, THAT IS ALL ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A VISUAL FIVE MINUTES.
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IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS VISUAL OR AUDIO OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU AND I HAVE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST, UNFORTUNATELY, SERVING WITH YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS. YOU KNOW THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU.
OKAY. I MAY NOT USE MY FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE I NEVER HISTORICALLY USED IT.
OKAY, FINE. GOOD. WE'LL HOPE SO FOR THE FUTURE.
POINT BEING, IT WOULD BE THESE COMMENTS SHOULD BE FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST OF THE CITY.
THAT'S IT. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR GIVING ME THE POWER THAT I DON'T HAVE.
I DON'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO SAY.
I DON'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO THINK.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT. OUR RESIDENTS ARE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS.
IS THERE A THERE A CONSENSUS? COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER REPORTS FIVE MINUTES.
COMMISSION REPORTS AFTER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FIVE MINUTES.
THERE'S BEEN ONE PERSON THAT HAS SAID VERBAL.
ONE PERSON THAT HAS SAID VISUAL.
AM I ASKING NOW FOR VISUAL OR WHAT I THINK? I THINK THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THEN WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR FINE BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO DO A POWERPOINT.
I'M SURE HE'S GOING TO DO A POWERPOINT.
LOOK, NO, NO, NO, I'M GOING TO.
NO I'M NOT. BUT ALSO THEN OUT OF RESPECT, THIS ISN'T OBVIOUSLY POLICY.
GET YOUR FORMATTED IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO VISUALS ITEMS IN TWO JIM.
WHAT DO YOU CARE IF I DON'T GET THIS STUFF? I HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH EMAILS. I DON'T NEED YOURS.
YOU STILL. BUT IN ORDER FOR DE RULES THAT SO THEN THEY NEED TO BE.
SO THEN IT IS SUBJECT TO THE SIX DAY RULE TO GET YOUR PRESENTATION.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE IT, COME ON THERE AS A PRESENT, A VISUAL PRESENTATION.
SO IT'S FORMATTED IN A MANNER IN WHICH THE CITY I.T.
DEPARTMENT CAN PROPERLY HANDLE PUTTING IT ONTO THE AGENDA.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT IS THE SAME THING.
I'M ASKING THAT WE SHOULD GIVE.
I WANT TO SHOW PICTURES FROM YESTERDAY.
I'M NOT THE ONE WHO SAID SIX DAYS IS FINE.
MY REQUEST, WHICH NOT GOTTEN COMPLETED, WHICH GOT CHANGED TO SIX DAYS.
WHATEVER WAS TO GET IT TO THE CITY IT DEPARTMENT WITH AN HOUR PRIOR TO ANY MEETING TO ALLOW FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS.
AND WHO WANTS TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS IT GOING TO GO.
BECAUSE THEN THE NEXT THING IS GOING TO BE ARE WE EXTENDING THIS MEETING SO WE CAN HEAR SOMEBODY SPEAK OR ARE WE NOT? AND THE POLITICS THAT WILL BE PLAYED THERE.
SO OUT OF RESPECT AND AGAIN I DIDN'T SAY POLICY.
I HAVE ASKED FOR RESPECT FOR OUR CITY STAFF TO PLEASE GET YOUR VISUALS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE VISUALS TO BE DONE THROUGH IT AN HOUR BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING.
THANK YOU. HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED? WELL, IT WAS AN HOUR SUFFICIENT TO GET A THUMB DRIVE TO PUT IN THE COMPUTER AND PULL IT UP.
THUMB. THUMB DRIVES AREN'T FORMATTED PROPERLY, AND THEY DON'T RUN ON ALL THINGS.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I UNDERSTAND MORE THAN YOU WANT TO GIVE ME CREDIT FOR, BUT THAT'S FINE.
YOU GIVE ME CREDIT WHERE I DON'T GET IT.
DESERVE IT. BUT YOU DON'T GIVE ME CREDIT WHERE I DO.
NOW, THE LAST ITEM ON COMMISSIONER PATTERSON'S LIST ON HER ITEM IS. HOLD ON.
THREE OF THEM AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE FIRST READING COMMISSIONER O AND COMMISSIONER.
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BUT I WOULD LIKE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CODE ITEMS THAT ARE DETAILED TO HAVE BACKUP AND IF NOT BACKUP, AN IDEA OF WHERE THE PERSON IS GOING WITH IT.I AM SEEKING TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES FOR DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER.
SO JUST FOR SAKE OF SAYING IT'S IN HERE, BUT THE REASON WHY I DIDN'T GIVE THAT WAS BECAUSE YOU SEE HOW? I MEAN, THE ORDINANCE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT THIS COMMISSION IS GOVERNED BY.
AND SO WHILE I MAY HAVE HAD SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED TO HAVE ADDRESSED, I THOUGHT THAT IT'D BE RESPECTFUL TO JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT GENERAL IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEONE ELSE SAW SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS AS WELL AS WE'RE ADDRESSING THE ORDINANCE.
BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE WORKSHOP FOR DISCUSSION WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO A TO THE COMMISSION MEETING FIRST. I THINK THAT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN CLARIFY HOW THIS ORDINANCE READS.
BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONFUSION IN THE PAST.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE HAD THIS AT A MEETING PRIOR TO BEING HERE ON HOW TO HANDLE IT.
AND THAT'S WHY MY COMMENTS WERE TO HANDLE THE PROCESS THE WAY IT'S BEEN, AND THEN WE CAN CHANGE IT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THINGS GOING DIRECT TO AN AGENDA WORKSHOP FOR DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK THINGS GOING DIRECT TO AN AGENDA FOR A VOTE.
THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT IS ALLOWABLE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT.
IT'S THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR WORKSHOP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA WITHOUT HAVING BUDGET REVIEW ON CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP IN THE PAST. I'M TRYING NOT TO BRING UP THOSE SPECIFICS, BUT PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE DO KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO AND ALL I'VE ASKED FOR FOR CLARIFYING.
BECAUSE IF YOU WANT IT WRITTEN IN CODE BECAUSE THE PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE ONLY FOLLOWING WHAT'S WRITTEN IN CODE IS TO STATE THAT THERE SHOULD BE BACKUP WHEN THERE ARE ITEMS OF RULES THAT ARE GOING TO BE AMENDED OR THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CHANGED.
IT'S ONE THING THAT YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY THAT IS CHANGING OF A NAME THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A WHOLE LOT OF REVIEW. WE HAVE A PROCESS.
WE HAVE A PROCEDURE. WE LOOK AT THAT.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REARRANGING CODE AND ORDINANCES THAT HAS OTHER REVIEW STEPS, THAT WOULD BE NICE FOR THE ABILITY TO WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT CITY OR LOOKING AT HOW THINGS COULD BE DONE.
AND I THINK ONCE WE GET PAST THE RED TAPE.
MAYOR, WE DID FINE, BUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO.
YEAH, BUT BUT BUT, COMMISSIONER PARSON, YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT.
I'M NOT MAYOR, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S JUST WE'RE KIND OF GOING.
WE'RE GOING RIGHT BACK TO HOW WE STARTED THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION, AND I THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY.
WE WERE SUCCESSFUL. WE FOLLOWED WHAT THE CODE SAYS THAT WE CAN DO.
AND THIS IN THIS IN THIS INSTANCE, WE DISCUSSED IT.
WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON.
THE STAFF WILL MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS.
THEY CAN BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING IN AT THE END OF JANUARY.
WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY THINGS WERE TAKING TWO AND THREE MEETINGS BEFORE WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE'RE JUST KIND OF GETTING THE RED TAPE OUT OF THE WAY.
WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO.
WE'RE DISCUSSING WHERE WE HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT.
STAFF WILL CREATE AN ORDINANCE.
RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, AND I'M SAYING FOR THE LAST TIME, THE REQUEST IS FOR CONSIDERATION WHEN ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION IS PUTTING AN ITEM ON A WORKSHOP AGENDA FOR WHAT THE ACTUAL CHANGES WILL BE FOR DISCUSSION, SO THAT STAFF CAN PROPERLY ORGANIZE THE AGENDA SO THAT WE ARE NOT TAKING LONGER PERIODS OF TIME.
PEOPLE ARE NOT MISSING 108 YEAR YOUNG BIRTHDAYS.
THEY'RE NOT MISSING RIBBON CUTTINGS.
THEY'RE NOT MISSING PICKING UP THEIR KIDS.
THEY'RE NOT MISSING OTHER THINGS AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY HAVE AND NOT GOING TO SOME OF THEIR KIDS GAMES OR WHATEVER THIS EVENING, BECAUSE THE PERSON PUTTING THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA DIDN'T THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SHARE WHAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING.
MAYOR, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING TO MAKE THE PROPOSAL.
I DON'T NEED TO, YOU KNOW. I DON'T NEED TO BE ATTACKED.
MAKE THE PROPOSAL. WELL, I'VE MADE THE PROPOSAL.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE ALTERNATE PROPOSAL, LET'S STATE THAT.
LET'S SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS AND THE STAFF CAN WORK ON ADJUSTING THE POLICY.
IF NOT, WE'RE BELABORING THE CONVERSATION.
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
SO WE HAVE TWO OTHER ITEMS. NO SECOND FOR THE MAYOR AND ADJOURNING.
SO THERE'S THREE. THERE'S PUTTING IN ACCESS TO THE AGENDA, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S BACKUP OR AT LEAST ENOUGH INFORMATION SO STAFF CAN PREPARE.
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AND PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION CAN PREPARE AND RESIDENTS CAN.I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WHEN WE FIRST GOT HERE.
SO SINCE IT'S CHANGED THIS AFTERNOON AND IT'S GOING FORWARD, THEN WHY NOT? WHY IS IT OKAY FOR ONE PERSON TO AMEND AND NOT THE REST? SO I AM SAYING WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT ONE OF US IS GOING TO BRING FORWARD, WE SHOULD BE BRINGING A PRESENTATION OR A DETAILED ITEM BULLET POINT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BEAUTIFUL.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A WHOLE BIG SLIDESHOW.
I'M HERE ASKING THE COMMISSION.
I WANT TO CHANGE THIS, OR I WANT TO ASK FOR THE CITY TO INCLUDE THIS.
I WANT TO ASK THE CITY FOR A SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM, AND IT WILL HAVE THE FOLLOWING THREE ITEMS. AND THEN WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO.
YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS ITEM MIGHT TAKE THE COMMISSION A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
SEE, I'M GOING TO REMOVE ITEM ONE OR GUESS WHAT? COMMISSION. WE HAVE A REALLY LONG AGENDA.
PREPARE ACCORDINGLY. SO I'M ASKING FOR THERE TO BE BACKUP PROVIDED OR AT LEAST SOME KIND OF OTHER THAN DISCUSSION AND CONSENT ON AN ITEM AND LEAVING IT BLANK WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO.
AND THIS IS FOR WORKSHOP PURPOSES.
WORKSHOP. THIS IS ALL FOR WORKSHOP.
BUT THIS I THINK THIS AGENDA WAS LONG REGARDLESS OF THIS LAST ITEM.
LIKE EVERY ITEM ON THIS AGENDA TOOK TIME.
RIGHT. CAN WE GET CAN WE GET A CONSENSUS ON DO YOU NEED BACKUP OR NOT FOR WORKSHOP? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD.
LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO ATTEND.
I WANT TO AMEND SOMETHING OTHER THAN.
I WANT TO AMEND THE RULES FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT? OH, THIS IS HERS. I'M SORRY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY'RE JUMPING AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IF THERE'S NO CONSENSUS, THERE'S NO CONSENSUS.
MAYOR, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A RULE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE BACKUP.
OKAY, SO I THINK WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT COURTESY.
WHAT IS BEING CHANGED? WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR? OKAY, WHAT AM I WATCHING? BUT I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, BUT SOMETIMES WE JUST WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE BACKUP.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE THIS FORM WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FORMAT OF DISCUSSING IT, THAT THERE'S NO CONSENSUS ON THAT.
THERE'S NO CONSENSUS AND WHATEVER.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DISCUSSED THIS AND WE MADE THE CHANGE.
I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE.
CASE IN POINT. CASE IN POINT, THIS THIS COMMISSIONER OR PORTION THEREOF.
YOU WILL JUST PUT IT IN THE RECORD AND THAT'S IT.
ALL OF A OF A SUDDEN, MAYOR, YOU STARTED READING PROCLAMATIONS WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION, THE VERY COMMISSION WHO SAID TO YOU THAT WE COULD NOT READ PROCLAMATIONS? CITY CLERK.
DO YOU REMEMBER ONLY CITY CLERK? DO YOU REMEMBER? I WILL, YES.
CITY CLERK. BUT YES, AT ONE POINT WE HAD REMOVED PROCLAMATIONS.
YES. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'RE READING PROCLAMATIONS AGAIN.
WHO MADE THAT CHANGE? IT CAME BACK TO ME SAYING.
BECAUSE YOU CHANGED THE RULES WHEN YOU WANT TO.
IS IT IN THE RECORDS OR NOT? TOLD TO ME? YES.
IF THERE'S A PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE PICKING IT UP.
BECAUSE IF SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD SAID, YOU WILL READ IT OUT LOUD.
READ PROCLAMATION. NOT IN THE AUDIENCE.
YOU'RE NOT READING IT? YEAH. THAT WAS WHAT YOU GUYS GAVE TO ME AND TOLD ME THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOLLOWING.
NO, I DO NOT CARE IF THIS COMMISSION DOESN'T WISH YOU SHOULD CARE.
IT'S THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.
THE PROCESS WAS GIVEN AT 1030.
OKAY. I RESPECT PEOPLE'S TIME.
NO CONSENSUS ON THE BACKUP ISSUE.
IS WHAT? THE BACKUP ISSUE? NO. IF THERE'S HE'S ADDED ANOTHER ITEM THAT OBVIOUSLY, IF THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE UP ON PROCLAMATION WORKSHOP, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM TO SAY.
IT WAS SAID THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE READ UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE.
IF WE'RE NOW NOT DOING ANY PROCLAMATIONS TO BE READ IN THE CITY, THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WHEN THE CITY STAFF BRINGS UP SOMETHING LIKE, WE HAVE ARBOR DAY, WE HAVE TAMARAC, WE HAVE FIRE RESCUE BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD.
WE HAVE PARK AND REC FOR PARK AND REC DAY.
WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
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BUT IF THIS COMMISSION NOW WANTS TO CHANGE IT, BRING IT FORTH AGAIN, I DON'T MIND WITH PROCLAMATIONS BEING READ.ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE RULES WERE CHANGED, NOT CHANGE.
AND THE MEETING WAS GOING ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
DO YOU REMEMBER? I DO, YES, BECAUSE THERE WAS 4 OR 5 PROCLAMATIONS COMING OUT OF THERE WE GO.
YOU CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN FOUR ITEMS. WE CANNOT DO THIS. WE CANNOT DO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, ALL OF THAT STUFF.
YOU REMEMBER, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I SHOULD JUST RUN THE TAPE SO YOU HEAR IT.
OKAY. I KNOW YOU WANT THE NEXT ITEM.
THE THE NEXT ITEM. MAYOR. YOU GOT THE ESRC BEHIND YOUR NAME, BUT YOU DON'T.
AND WE'RE NOT HERE. NO NO NO NO WE'RE NOT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER. WHEN I EARN A LAW DEGREE, IT WILL BE MODERN.
YOU COULD HAVE BROUGHT IT FROM A REPUTABLE SCHOOL.
MOTION TO ADJOURN. I THINK THAT'S ONE.
NO, NOT TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO SECOND A MOTION BECAUSE.
OKAY. NO, NOT BECAUSE IT BOTHERS SOMEBODY.
WELL, AGAIN THAT'S YOUR. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP.
WHAT? WHAT? IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT NO OTHER CITY.
WHERE'S THAT? WITH CITY. WITH.
WITH CITY. IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
COMMISSIONER. SO? SO ON THAT. ON THAT ITEM.
ON ON ON THAT, ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
CAN WE DIRECT THE CLERK TO PULL OTHER CITY CLERK'S OR OTHER CITIES TO FIND OUT WHAT CITIES MAYORS HAVE THE RIGHT TO SECOND MOTIONS? AND IF WE LOOK AT SECTION 2-34C, IT DOES SAY CITY COMMISSION PROCEDURES FOR OH SIX.
BE THE CHARTER OF CITY TAMARAC.
HENCE, WE CAN DO IT ON OUR OWN IF WE WANT TO HAVE A MAYOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO RIGHT NOW.
TO ASK OTHER CITIES WHAT THEY DO.
I'M JUST I'M JUST TELLING YOU, YOU ASKED FOR PROOF.
SO WHY AM I ASKING FOR PROOF? IT'S OKAY. NO, BECAUSE YOU SAID.
THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING FOR THIS IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM.
WE GOT IT. OKAY? OKAY. YEAH. SO, YEAH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE, JUST DO THE RESEARCH AND THEN.
AND THEN I WILL ASK FOR A WORKSHOP ITEM ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
OKAY. AT ANOTHER TIME OKAY OKAY.
WE HAVE THE DIRECTION. NO NO NO NO NO YOU'RE NOT DONE YET MISS.
AND SO THERE IS A REQUEST BY COMMISSIONER BOLTON TO HAVE IT BE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT AND A SECOND AND OBVIOUSLY CONSENSUS TO ADJOURN A MEETING VERSUS THE MAYOR HAVING THE ABILITY TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AFTER THE AGENDA IS DONE.
IT TAKES AWAY YOUR ABILITY TO THREATEN US LIKE YOU DID TODAY.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, COMMISSIONER BOLTON, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST.
YOU'VE NOT JUST THREATENED, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE DONE IT.
YES, BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU THAT THAT IS RUDE AND THAT IS UNPROFESSIONAL.
THAT'S NOT BECOMING OF A MAYOR.
YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DON'T THINK I'M BECOMING OF A MAYOR OR A PERSON IN GENERAL? SO I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINION OF ME.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? HAVE AT IT.
SO BACK TO ANYBODY WHO EVER THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A TRUCE AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LAST.
YOU HAVE THIS THIS ISSUE ON THE AGENDA.
DO YOU NEED THE MAJORITY VOTE AS COMMISSIONER ADJOURNMENT? BASICALLY. WHAT DID YOU SAY? ADJOURNMENT WENT TO END THE MEETING.
WORKSHOP OR COMMISSION MEETING? DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO SECOND MAJORITY VOTE VERSUS.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR.
IT'S HE WANTS TO ASK YOU DO YOU DO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? GENERALLY THAT'S.
WE KNOW ON BOARD MEETINGS YOU DO KEEP IT TO WHAT WE HAVE VERSUS CONFLATING IT.
AGENDA. YEAH. ALL YOU ALL YOU HAVE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE THE MEETING.
AND YOU'RE DONE. YEAH, BUT IT'S A IT'S A SAFEGUARD.
WELL, I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I YOU KNOW, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE TODAY, I HAVE TO SAY, I MEAN, I BROUGHT AN ITEM, YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH IT AND YOU DID THREATEN TO TO TO POSTPONE THE ITEM TO ANOTHER MEETING.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE, AGAIN, WE'RE ALL COMMISSIONERS HERE.
WE'VE ALL EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO ADD ITEMS TO AN AGENDA, TO A DISCUSSION.
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THERE IS NO ENDING TIME.AND SO TO THAT POINT, IN THAT VEIN, I DO SUPPORT YOU KNOW, A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ADJOURNMENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE THAT SOMEONE BE CUT OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ITEM.
BEFORE WE GOT HERE, I HAD TO I ASKED TWICE FOR CONSENSUS TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU STATED REPEATEDLY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS, AND YOU WANTED WHAT YOU WANTED.
NO. AGAIN, FOR SOME REASON, THERE'S NOTHING BEING HEARD.
WHAT I'M SAYING, AND I'M PRETTY SURE I'M NOT SPEAKING ANOTHER LANGUAGE.
I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOUR ITEM IS.
I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE PROCEDURES THAT WERE NOT DONE ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT PROCEDURES THAT WERE IN PLACE, AND CHANGING THE PROCEDURES WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURES THAT ARE HAD.
COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ALL THIS ON YOUR OWN SHOULDERS.
NO, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE, MAYOR.
AND YOU DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WE DID DO IT ACCORDING TO THE PROCEDURE.
YOU KEEP SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T, BUT WE DID AGREE TO DISAGREE.
THERE'S NOTHING TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ABOUT.
IT'S A FACT. THE FACT IS, THE CODE SAYS THAT THE ITEM COULD BE PLACED ON THE WORKSHOP.
YOUR PREFERENCE IS THAT THERE IS SUBSEQUENT BACKUP DATA.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT PREVENTS ME FROM PUTTING AN ITEM ON THE WORKSHOP AGENDA.
MR. PATTERSON SO I THINK IN THIS CASE, CAN WE JUST CALL? MAYOR, DO YOU MIND CALLING CALLING THE CONSENSUS SO THAT WE CAN ADJOURN.
MOTION TO ADJOURN, BUT I CAN'T.
AND BY AND BY THE WAY, ROBERT'S RULES CLEARLY SAYS.
AND OF COURSE. YEAH, IT SAYS AS A MATTER OF COURSE, WHEN THE AGENDA HAS BEEN COMPLETED, THE FOLLOWING THREE STEPS WOULD NATURALLY OCCUR A BOARD MEETING A BOARD MEMBER WOULD MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER WOULD SECOND THE MOTION.
ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER WOULD SECOND THE MOTION.
THE BOARD CHAIR WOULD DECLARE THE MEETING ADJOURNED.
ANYWAY, YOU CAN'T READ MORE THAN ME.
TRUST ME. OKAY. I DON'T TRUST ANY MAN WHO SAYS TRUST ME ANYWAY.
IS THERE A CONSENSUS? THERE APPEARS TO BE CONSENSUS FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN BEING SAID.
AND IT. NOW, IS THIS AN ITEM THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE SPEAKING ON FIRST READING, WHERE WE CAN GO CAN GO FORWARD AND DO IT ON MONDAY OR WEDNESDAY? OR IS THIS AN ITEM THAT IS NOW AN ORDINANCE ITEM BECAUSE PEOPLE WISH TO HAVE IT IN PLACE IN WRITING? I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU.
I'M ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE ONE WITH THIS, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND WHEN THINGS ARE SILENT.
OR YOU CAN. NO, IT'S NOT SILENT.
THAT'S THE HERE'S HERE'S MY SUGGESTION.
BUT TO AVOID THE BACK AND FORTH IN THE FUTURE, WE PROBABLY WILL CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE IN THE CODE, WHICH IS WHY SEVERAL TIMES IT HAS BEEN ASKED IN WRITING FOR PROCEDURES TO BE WRITTEN OUT ON THE HOW TOS, YET FOR YEARS IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.
MAYBE WE'LL FINALLY GET IT DONE.
I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADJOURN FOR WORKSHOPS.
YOU SAY I NEED CONSENSUS TO ADJOURN.
YOU. CONSENSUS TO ADJOURN? YES.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.