[1.c Discussion on Employee Benefit & Compensation Equity Presented by Human Resources Director, Danielle Durgan and Labor Attorney Robert Soloff, Esquire]

THIS WILL BE PRESENTED BY OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR DANIELLE DURGAN.

ONE C SORRY ONE C.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG DAY.

AND LABOR ATTORNEY ROBERT SOLOFF.

GOOD MORNING.

ARE YOU ARE YOU AVOIDING THE TRUTH ALREADY? BE A LONG DAY. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.

DANIELLE DURGAN, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

I HAVE ROBERT SOLOFF WITH US.

HE'S GOING TO GO OVER HIS PRESENTATION TO BRIEFLY TALK TO US ABOUT OUR FTE CONTRACT AND THE STATUS OF THAT.

AND THEN I'LL GO INTO A SEPARATE PRESENTATION.

MR. O'REGAN, CAN WE GIVE A LITTLE PRETENSE TO THE TO THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS PRESENTATION? NO PROBLEM. YES.

SO I BOB IS HERE TODAY, SO I KNOW THAT IN THE LAST.

THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS MENTION OF PROVIDING EQUITY TO ALL OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, WHICH INCLUDES OUR FP EMPLOYEES, OUR NON REP EMPLOYEES.

GIVEN THAT OUR FIRE CONTRACT WAS APPROVED ON NOVEMBER 13TH WITH THEIR INCREASES.

SO THIS MORNING BOB IS GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT CURRENTLY OUR FP UNION IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECERTIFICATION PROCESS.

SO HE'S GOING TO GIVE US SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT BECAUSE WITH INCREASES THERE, THERE'S A DEEPER DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD ON DOING THAT FOR OUR FP EMPLOYEES, GIVEN THEIR THE STATUS OF THEIR CONTRACT AND UNION RIGHT NOW.

SO GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS ROBERT SOLOFF OF THE CITY'S LABOR ATTORNEY.

SO I JUST WANT TO VERY BRIEFLY GO THROUGH EMPLOYEE UNION OVERVIEW AND PARTICULARLY FOCUS ON THE UNION STATUS, AS MOST OF THE COMMISSION IS VERY AWARE.

RECENTLY NEGOTIATED A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRE UNION IAFF LOCAL 3080.

WILL DISCUSS BOTH WHITE COLLAR EMPLOYEES UNIT, BLUE COLLAR EMPLOYEES UNIT.

AND BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF SOME OF THIS, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE LABOR LAWS AND THE FEDERATION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES UNIONS STATUS IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

SO BASICALLY, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'VE GOT A GROUP OF CITY TAMARAC EMPLOYEES, UNIQUE EMPLOYEES, THE CITY MANAGER, HE HAS A INDIVIDUAL CONTRACT.

THE SECOND GROUP OF EMPLOYEES ARE NON-REPRESENTED EMPLOYEES.

SO THAT'S FROM CITY CLERK TO VARIOUS OTHER EMPLOYEES, CONFIDENTIAL EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SO FORTH.

AND THEN WE HAVE UNION EMPLOYEES.

SO WE HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S LOCAL 38.

THAT REPRESENTS BASICALLY FIREFIGHTERS, DRIVERS, LIEUTENANTS, CAPTAINS AND EXCLUDED, OR THE CHIEF CONFIDENTIAL EMPLOYEES AND OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE

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ALSO NON-REPRESENTED EMPLOYEES.

AND WE JUST NEGOTIATED A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT FOR A THREE YEAR TERM FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027.

AND I'M SURE, AS MOST OF THE COMMISSION RECALLS WE CAME TO THE COMMISSION, HUMAN RESOURCES MYSELF, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER, TO DISCUSS THE PARAMETERS OF NEGOTIATIONS AND THAT FIRE CONTRACT.

AND I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT IN A MOMENT.

WE HAD WHAT ARE CALLED CLOSED SESSIONS.

SO THE FEDERATION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES HISTORICALLY HAS HAD TWO BARGAINING UNITS WITH THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

IT HAS A WHITE COLLAR EMPLOYEES.

OKAY. AND NOTICE IT SAYS PREVIOUSLY REPRESENTED BY THE FEDERATION, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A MOMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE A BLUE COLLAR GROUP OR UNIT OF EMPLOYEES, ABOUT 105 AND 46 POSITIONS.

IN THE PAST, OVER 20 PLUS YEARS, WE HAVE NEGOTIATED THE CITY HAS NEGOTIATED WITH THE FEDERATION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE TWO BARGAINING UNITS, THE BLUE COLLAR AND THE WHITE COLLAR.

WE HAVE NEGOTIATED A SINGLE AGREEMENT THAT HAD OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT PAY RANGES FOR ALL THESE POSITIONS.

THE LAST CONTRACT WAS NEGOTIATED BACK IN 2023 AND GOES FROM INITIALLY WAS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2023 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026.

THAT CONTRACT INCLUDED AN ANNUAL WAGE INCREASE AND ALSO IN VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, BECAUSE THE CITY WENT TO AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT AND HAD A LOT OF INPUT AND A LOT OF INFORMATION, A PAIN CLASSIFICATION STUDY WAS WHICH ADJUSTED SALARY RATES SO AND SALARIES WERE ADJUSTED ONE, 2 OR 3% BASED ON THAT PAY IN CLASSIFICATION STUDY, DEPENDING ON THE POSITION.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT COMPARABLE EMPLOYERS YOU KNOW, LAUDERHILL DAVIE, FORT LAUDERDALE, WHAT HAVE YOU.

MARGATE. AND THAT WAS DONE BY OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS.

AND THAT WAS THE ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS MADE.

YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

NEED TO UNFORTUNATELY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN FLORIDA LABOR LAW TO GIVE YOU A FULL CONTEXT OF WHERE WE'RE AT FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER 447, PART TWO AUTHORIZES PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR FLORIDA PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

AND THAT MEANS STATE EMPLOYEES, COUNTY EMPLOYEES, LOCAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES AND OTHER ENTITIES, AS WELL AS SCHOOL BOARDS AND ALL THE REST.

THERE'S A THREE MEMBER COMMISSION, PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RELATIONS COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR THAT SITS IN TALLAHASSEE.

THEY OVERSEE A STAFF WHICH OVERSEES UNION ELECTIONS, UNION REGISTRATION, ANNUAL REQUIREMENT THAT ALL UNIONS THAT ARE THAT THAT ARE REPRESENTING PUBLIC EMPLOYEES IN FLORIDA REGISTER PROVIDE CERTAIN INFORMATION WITH THE COMMISSION ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

THEY ALSO OVERSEE WHAT ARE CALLED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES.

SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEGOTIATE, IF AN EMPLOYER NEGOTIATES A CONTRACT, THEY HAVE TO BE HELD TO THAT CONTRACT.

IF THEY VIOLATE THAT CONTRACT IN CERTAIN WAYS, POTENTIALLY BY REFUSING TO GIVE MONEY, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'VE NEGOTIATED AN UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE COULD BE BROUGHT.

THAT'S BASICALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING.

AND ULTIMATELY THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RELATIONS COMMISSION, AFTER THERE'S A HEARING OFFICER, A RECOMMENDED ORDER, THEY ENTER AN ORDER ON THAT WHICH ULTIMATELY CAN BE APPEALED TO THE APPELLATE COURT SYSTEM.

THEY HAVE A WHOLE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES, AS LAID OUT MORE COMPREHENSIVELY IN THE REGULATIONS OF THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RELATIONS COMMISSION FOR UNION ELECTIONS. FOR THERE TO BE AN A UNION ELECTION, THAT NEEDS TO BE A DETERMINATION OF A BARGAINING UNIT WHO'S INCLUDED.

SO IF YOU THINK OF A BLUE COLLAR UNIT IN HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN UTILITIES AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE MECHANICS AND SO FORTH.

SO WHAT YOU CLASSICALLY THINK OF AS A BLUE COLLAR UNIT.

ANY BARGAINING UNIT, IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE AN ELECTION, MUST HAVE A SHOWING WHAT'S CALLED A SHOWING OF INTEREST.

IN OTHER WORDS, ENOUGH EMPLOYEES SAY, YES, I WANT TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THIS UNION REPRESENT ME.

AND THAT'S AT LEAST 30% OF THE EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE BARGAINING UNIT.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO DESCRIBE THE BARGAINING UNIT HAS TO BE APPROPRIATE.

WHAT JOBS ARE INCLUDED? WHAT JOBS ARE EXCLUDED? WHEN YOU HAVE A UNION ELECTION, IT'S THE MAJORITY OF THOSE CASTING BALLOTS WHO WINS.

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SO YOU KNOW IT'S 50%.

YOU'VE GOT 60 PEOPLE IN THAT POTENTIAL BARGAINING UNIT, BUT ONLY 40 PEOPLE VOTE.

WELL, IT'S A MAJORITY.

IT'S 20 PLUS 1 OR 21 THAT WINS.

IT'S A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY VOTE.

WHY IS THAT RELEVANT HERE? WE HAVE A UNION.

WE HAVE THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RELATIONS COMMISSION PUBLIC FEDERATION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

WELL, HERE'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO IN A MOMENT.

WE HAVE A MAXIMUM OF THREE YEAR CONTRACT ALLOWED UNDER LAW.

YOU'LL NOTE THAT THAT'S WHAT THE FBI'S CONTRACT WAS.

THAT'S WHAT THE FIRE CONTRACT IS.

IF WE HAVE THE TYPICAL DISPUTES WITHIN THE CONTRACT.

WE HAD GRIEVANCES OVER DISCIPLINE.

WE HAVE ISSUES OVER WHAT THE CONTRACT MEANS.

WE GO TO A THIRD PARTY INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY, AN ARBITRATOR TO DECIDE THOSE SUITS.

FLORIDA IS A RIGHT TO WORK STATE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS THAT EVEN IF THERE'S A UNION, THE EMPLOYEE IS NOT REQUIRED TO BELONG TO THE UNION IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THAT JOB.

THE EMPLOYEE IS NOT THEN LEGALLY REQUIRED TO PAY UNION DUES.

WHY DOES THIS BECOME IMPORTANT? UNION DUES ARE THE DUES TAKEN OUT OF THE EMPLOYEES PAY ON A BIWEEKLY OR MONTHLY BASIS.

THE EMPLOYEE, UNDER CURRENT FLORIDA LAW, MUST, BY WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION, PERMIT SUCH UNION DUES TO BE DEDUCTED PRIOR TO THE LAW CHANGE, WHICH IS JULY, WHICH BASICALLY WAS JULY 2023.

THE EMPLOYER WOULD COULD BUNDLE UP THOSE DEDUCTIONS AND SEND A MONTHLY CHECK IN.

TAMARAC DID TO THE FEDERATION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES FOR ALL THE UNION DUES.

THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE.

PENSIONS ARE INCLUDED AS A SUBJECT OF BARGAINING.

AND AS I SAID, THE ELECTIONS ARE DETERMINED BY THOSE WHO VOTE.

50% ARE ONE.

AND BASICALLY IN AS I'VE NOTED AT THE TOP, WHAT'S WHAT ARE THE TOPICS THAT WE BARGAIN ABOUT? WELL, OBVIOUSLY WAGES, SALARIES, MONEY, HOURS OF EMPLOYMENT AND WHAT ARE CALLED TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

AND THAT IS A VERY BROAD TERM.

SO THAT INCLUDES A HEALTH INSURANCE THAT INCLUDES HOLIDAYS, THAT INCLUDES SICK DAYS, THAT INCLUDES VACATION DAYS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE BARGAINED.

AND HOW DOES THAT JUST PHYSICALLY HAPPEN? YOU HAVE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR HER STAFF AND APPROPRIATE MANAGEMENT PEOPLE GET TOGETHER WHEN I ASSIST.

AND THEY HAVE. THEY ARE THE CITY BARGAINING TEAM SELECTED AND OVERSEEN BY THE CITY MANAGER.

WE THEN PREPARE FOR ANY OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS BY LOOKING AT NUMBERS, WHETHER WE LOOK AT, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT'S THE CURRENT CONTRACT SAY? WHAT IS THE CURRENT BENEFITS PROVIDE? WE THEN LOOK AT AND CITY STAFF, HUMAN RESOURCES DOES A LOT OF WORK ON LOOKING AT COMPARABLE CITIES.

SO THEY LOOK AT MARGATE.

THEY LOOK AT LAUDERHILL.

THEY LOOK AT DAVIE AND SO FORTH.

WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE NEGOTIATING AND PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WAGES AND AND EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE WHAT IS CALLED INTERNAL EQUITY AND EXTERNAL EQUITY.

AND BE COGNIZANT OF INFLATION, CONSUMER PRICE INCREASE.

THOSE ARE REALLY THE BIG THREE FACTORS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT.

SO EXTERNAL EQUITY IS COMPARING OURSELVES TO THE CITY TO OTHER COMPARABLE CITIES.

TO SEE INTERNAL EQUITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT A MANAGER WHO SHOULD BE MAKING MORE THAN A SUPERVISOR WHO SHOULD BE MAKING MORE THAN THE REGULAR EMPLOYEES, AND THAT A 20 YEAR EMPLOYEE MAKES MORE THAN A TWO YEAR EMPLOYEE.

SO YOU'RE TRYING TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS AND THEN COME TO THE COMMISSION AND RECEIVE DIRECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND THIS IS VERY CRUCIAL IN FLORIDA LAW, THE COMMISSION, THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, AS IT'S CALLED, DECIDES.

PERIOD. IF WE EVER HAVE AN IMPASSE WITH EMPLOYEES IN NEGOTIATIONS, IT ULTIMATELY GOES BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE AND TO IMPOSE FOR ONE YEAR PERIOD.

THE REASON WE HAVE THOSE CLOSED SESSIONS IS TO ALLOW FRANK AND OPEN DISCUSSION.

THAT'S NEVER DISCLOSED.

UNLIKE YOU KNOW, CLOSED SESSIONS ON LITIGATION WHERE SHADE OR SUN SHADE SESSIONS WHEN YOU DISCUSS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING

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NEGOTIATIONS, NONE OF IT'S EVER DISCLOSED.

HERE'S THE BIG CHANGE.

AND THIS IS WHAT CHANGED EVERYTHING.

EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2023, UNION DUES NOW CAN ONLY BE PAID DIRECTLY BY THE EMPLOYEES TO TO THE UNION.

NUMBER TWO, THE ANNUAL UNION APPLICATION.

BEFORE, YOU USED TO JUST ASK FOR SOME FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND WHO THEY WHO THE UNION REPRESENTED AND WHAT LOCATIONS AND SO FORTH.

IT NOW ALSO REQUIRES A CERTIFICATION, A SWORN STATEMENT ATTESTING AS TO WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF BARGAINING UNIT EMPLOYEES ARE PAYING DUES AT EACH UNION AND EACH UNION, CITY OR LOCATION.

IF IT'S LESS THAN 60%, THE UNION LOSES ITS CERTIFICATION TO BE THE AUTHORIZED COLLECTIVE BARGAINING REPRESENTATIVE.

IT'S LESS THAN 60%.

WELL, SORT OF AS A TESTAMENT TO HOW WELL HUMAN RESOURCES HAS DONE OVER THE YEARS HERE.

AND BECAUSE THIS IS A RIGHT TO WORK STATE, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION REQUIREMENT TO BELONG TO THE UNION.

WE'RE PROBABLY AT ABOUT 35 OR 40%.

AND THE UNION REPORTED THAT TO PERK.

AND WHEN THEY DID AND ALL THE PAPERWORK GOT DONE.

BASICALLY, WE NO LONGER HAD A UNION.

THE FEDERATION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, AND WE NO LONGER HAD A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

IF YOU RECALL THAT I MENTIONED THAT WAS A THREE YEAR TERM.

OCTOBER 2023 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026.

GONE. MAKING LIFE VERY DIFFICULT FOR HUMAN RESOURCES BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE AN OFFICIAL ENTITY TO TO GO TO IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH AN EMPLOYEE, FOR EXAMPLE THE GRIEVANCE PROCESS THAT YOU NORMALLY HAVE THAT'S WRITTEN OUT IN THE CONTRACT IS GONE.

SO OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS GOING TO MAINTAIN AND HAS MAINTAINED THE PAY RATES AND HAS SIMILARLY MAINTAINED THE INCREASES.

I DO WANT YOU TO NOTE, AND THIS IS A MATTER OF SOME SIGNIFICANT POLITICS.

POLICE, FIRE AND CORRECTIONAL OFFICER UNIONS WERE EXCLUDED FROM THESE CHANGES.

OKAY. SO THAT'S THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH THE FIRE UNION WITH THE FIRE, BY THE WAY, THEY HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH UNION PARTICIPATION RATE.

BUT THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO SEND, YOU KNOW, WIRE THEM THE MONEY OR WHATEVER IS BEING DONE ON A ON A ROUTINE BASIS FOR THEIR UNION DUES.

BUT THIS DOES APPLY TO CITIES, COUNTIES AND PARTICULARLY I THINK IT WAS FOCUSED ON TEACHERS UNIONS.

OKAY. WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHEN THE FEDERATION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES FILED ITS ANNUAL REGISTRATION REPORT SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY HAD LESS THAN 60% OF THE WHITE COLLAR UNIT IN LESS THAN 60% OF THE BLUE COLLAR UNION.

THEREFORE, THEY'RE NO LONGER CERTIFIED COLLECTIVE BARGAINING REPRESENTATIVE.

WE TECHNICALLY, OFFICIALLY HAVE NO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AT THE MOMENT.

YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF PERSONNEL POLICIES AND PERSONNEL RULES THAT CAN APPLY, AND THE CITY HAS MAINTAINED THAT PER THAT CONTRACT, ANY INCREASES AREN'T GOING TO BE APPLIED OKAY, BECAUSE THEY WERE IN FACT NEGOTIATED.

SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT.

SO BASICALLY THE UNION FILED FOR A UNION ELECTION BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY HAVE PLENTY OF, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT OVER 30 OR 40% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SIGNED UP.

AND THAT'S VERY EASY FOR THEM TO MEET THE 30% SHOWING OF INTEREST.

SO WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE UNION AND BASICALLY AGREED WITH THE UNION THAT IT SHOULD BE THE SAME BARGAINING UNITS FOR WHITE COLLAR AND BLUE COLLAR THAT WE AGREED TO, BECAUSE IN THE CONTRACT IT'S SET OUT ALL THESE POSITIONS.

SO ORIGINALLY THE UNION CERTIFICATION GOES BACK TO 1978.

OBVIOUSLY TITLES AND POSITIONS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

SO WE HAD TO UPDATE THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RELATIONS COMMISSION WITH THAT.

THEY ARE VERY BACKED UP, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WITH THE CHANGE IN THE LAW.

SO WE RECENTLY RECEIVED INFORMATION APPROVING OUR PROPOSED WHITE COLLAR UNIT. THIS IS PROPOSED APPROVING IT FOR A FUTURE ELECTION.

WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WITHIN ANY DAY NOW, CERTAINLY THIS MONTH OR NEXT MONTH, WE'LL RECEIVE THE SAME INFORMATION AND APPROVAL OF THE BLUE COLLAR

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UNIT. BECAUSE THE UNION AGREED WITH US, WE TALKED WITH THEM AND DISCUSSED THAT WHEN WE HAVE BOTH UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, WE HOPE TO ASK FOR.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. A SINGLE ELECTION, A TIME FRAME.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE SEPARATE ELECTIONS FOR THE WHITE COLLAR UNIT AND THE BLUE COLLAR UNIT.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE AND BELIEVE THE UNION WILL AGREE THAT WE'LL HAVE IT DURING THE SAME TIME PERIOD TO MINIMIZE CONFUSION AND CONCERNS REGARDING THAT, IT LIKELY WILL BE A MAIL IN BALLOT PROCESS.

MANY YEARS AGO, IT USED TO ONLY BE IN PERSON.

THEN THEY'VE MOVED TOWARDS MAIL IN BALLOT.

I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE A MAIL IN BALLOT, BECAUSE THE PERSONNEL REQUIREMENTS, AND LIKELY ABOUT A TWO WEEK TIME PERIOD FROM WHEN IT'S ORIGINALLY MAILED OUT TO WHEN THEY CAN MAIL BACK, MAIL IT BACK IN.

ALL EMPLOYEES IN THE BARGAINING UNIT CAN VOTE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOR A UNION DUES.

ALL THE EMPLOYEES IN THE UNIT ARE AVAILABLE TO VOTE.

AND THE MAJORITY AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTES WILL WIN.

KIRK WILL COUNT THE BALLOTS AND THEY'LL ISSUE AN ORDER ON THE ELECTION RESULTS.

IF THE UNION WINS, THEN THE CITY WILL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO NEGOTIATE A NEW COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND HAVE THAT CLOSED SESSION, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DIRECT AND INSTRUCT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE CITY STAFF TO NEGOTIATE.

THAT IS, AGAIN, TOTALLY YOUR DETERMINATION.

AND THAT'S WAGES, HOURS, TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT.

EVERYTHING WILL BE ON THE TABLE NOW BECAUSE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

BECAUSE YEAH BECAUSE WE ARE NOW IN A SITUATION WHERE THE UNION FILED PETITIONS FOR CERTIFICATION REQUESTING UNION ELECTIONS.

WE'RE IN A SPECIAL KIND OF PERIOD, WHICH IN LABOR LAWS CALLED WE MUST MAINTAIN WHAT IS CALLED LABORATORY CONDITIONS.

ESSENTIALLY, WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN A UNION FILES FOR A UNION ELECTION IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONDITIONS WHERE THAT ELECTION OCCURS ARE FAIR, THERE IS A PROHIBITION ON, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EMPLOYER PROMISING CERTAIN BENEFITS OR CERTAIN THINGS, THE IDEA BEING THAT AN EMPLOYER DURING THE PENDENCY OF A UNION ELECTION CAN SAY, LOOK, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE UNION. REGARDLESS, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU X PERCENT MONEY THAT WOULD INFLUENCE PEOPLE VOTING IN THE ELECTION.

THUS, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

WE MUST MAINTAIN WHAT IS CALLED THE STATUS QUO.

WHATEVER IS OUT THERE.

WE CAN'T INCREASE BENEFITS OR PAY OR DECREASE BENEFITS OR PAY OR CHANGE WORKING CONDITIONS.

YOU CAN OPERATIONALLY CHANGE THINGS AT ANY POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING WITH THE UNION.

SO IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO MODIFY A DEPARTMENT, WHAT A DEPARTMENT DOES OR YOU WANT TO ADD YOU, YOU DECIDE YOU'RE GOING TO ADD 20 EMPLOYEES TO PARKS AND RECS BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU BECAUSE ONE COMMISSIONER OR THE COMMISSION DECIDES YOU WANT TO HAVE A NEW PROGRAM FOR AFTER SCHOOL, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU CANNOT SAY, I'M GOING TO GIVE FOLKS X PERCENT OR I'M GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE ANOTHER THREE SICK DAYS BECAUSE THAT ALTERS THE STATUS QUO.

AND THAT BECAUSE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS REQUIRE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DO? WELL, IF YOU DO, THEN WE END UP WITH A UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE.

I THINK IT'S IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE PRIOR SLIDE, WE END UP WITH AN UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE CHARGE, WHICH CAN BE BROUGHT BY THE UNION. IT'S THE ONE BEFORE THAT, I THINK.

YEAH, BUT CAN BE BROUGHT BY THE UNION.

SO WHY WOULD THE UNION BRING IT? THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING MONEY.

WELL, IF THE UNION LOSES THE ELECTION, WHICH WE THINK IS HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE COMING UP SOON, THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD BRING IN AN UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE CHARGE BECAUSE THEY WOULD CLAIM THAT IT WAS UNFAIR AND SO FORTH.

SO AGAIN, YOU THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE WHATEVER IT WANTS VIS A VIS WAGES, HOURS, BENEFITS THAT YOU WISH US TO NEGOTIATE.

BUT TIMING IS KEY.

CAN'T BE DONE NOW BECAUSE WE'RE IN THIS STATUS QUO POSITION BECAUSE OF AN UPCOMING UNION ELECTION.

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OKAY. THE NEXT ONE. SO HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE BLUE COLLAR UNIT PROPOSED ORDER AND FINAL ORDER, AND WILL THEN BE ABLE TO STIPULATE TO A UNION ELECTION FOR BOTH UNITS, WHITE COLLAR AND BLUE COLLAR.

AND THEN ONCE THAT OCCURS IF THE UNION WINS THE MAJORITY OF THOSE OF THOSE VOTES, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO INITIATE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE UNION. NOW, IN THE WHEN WE END UP HOPEFULLY IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, NO MORE THAN TWO MONTHS WITH UNION ELECTIONS SCHEDULED, THE COMMISSION CAN TAKE ANY POSITION YOU WANT VERBALLY.

YOU CAN SUPPORT THE UNION.

YOU CAN SUPPORT THE UNION INDIVIDUALLY.

YOU CAN SUPPORT THE UNION AS A WHOLE COMMISSION.

YOU CAN OPPOSE THE UNION.

YOU CAN BE SILENT ABOUT THE UNION AND YOU CAN DO NOTHING.

YOU'VE GOT YOUR FREE SPEECH RIGHTS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

SO YOU CAN DECIDE WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO DO, AND TAKE WHATEVER POSITION YOU WISH TO TAKE OR NOT TAKE.

BUT AT THE END OF THAT UNION ELECTION AGAIN, THERE'LL BE A CERTIFICATE.

THEY'LL COUNT THE VOTES OR CERTIFY THE UNIT IF THE UNION WINS AND THEN THE CITY HAS A BARGAINING OBLIGATION, THEN HUMAN RESOURCES CITY MANAGER COME TO YOU AND WE ASK YOU WHAT YOUR PARAMETERS ARE, HOW LONG A CONTRACT, WHAT ARE THE TERMS, WHAT'S THE PAY, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THEN ALSO DURING THAT CLOSED SESSION, HUMAN RESOURCES CAN GIVE YOU A LOT OF INPUT.

WHAT IS WHAT ARE THE COMPARABLE PAY FOR FOR FOLKS? AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS IMPORTANT.

WHY? THIS IS HOW YOU RECRUIT PEOPLE.

THIS IS HOW YOU RETAIN PEOPLE BY REMAINING COMPETITIVE AND PAY AND BENEFITS AS WELL AS PENSIONS.

AND BASICALLY IN THAT CLOSED SESSION, YOU DIRECT CITY STAFF HOW YOU WISH US TO PROCEED, JUST AS YOU DID MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS FAMILIAR WITH, JUST AS YOU DID RECENTLY IN FIRE.

SO IT'S THE SAME EXACT CIRCUMSTANCE.

IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, A TOPIC THAT YOU WISH TO ADDRESS, THEN YOU CERTAINLY WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

WE PROVIDE WHATEVER INFORMATION THE COMMISSION WANTS, DESIRES, NEEDS.

AND THEN CITY STAFF AND MYSELF DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AT A PUBLIC SESSION, WHICH IS WHAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT THAT YOU'VE DIRECTED US TO NEGOTIATE AND THEN COME BACK ULTIMATELY FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

CITY MANAGER. MADAM MAYOR WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE THE EQUITY AND FAIRNESS CONVERSATION FROM THE COMMISSION DIRECTION FROM THE LAST COMMISSION.

SO ALL THIS IS TO SAY THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM OUT OF THE DIFFERENT EMPLOYMENT GROUPS IN THE CITY, FP EMPLOYEES, WE CANNOT YOU KNOW, MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THEIR COMPENSATION BENEFITS AND ALL OF THAT.

AND SO THAT'S TO COME AT A AT A TIME, YOU KNOW, POST ELECTION PERIOD.

AND SO THE PRESENTATION THAT THAT MS..

STURGEON IS GOING TO HAVE TODAY IS GOING TO COVER JUST THE REMAINING EMPLOYMENT GROUPS, THE NON-REPRESENTED AND AND PROVIDE SOME SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE FAIRNESS AND EQUITY FOR, FOR COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS.

SO THANK YOU, BOB.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO FOR THIS WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 11TH, THERE ARE TWO ORDINANCES, IS REFERRING TO EMPLOYEE BENEFITS.

22576 AND 22577.

SO THE TWO ORDINANCES WILL ADDRESS THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDY FOR FIRE OR FIREFIGHTERS PENSION PLAN, AND THEN ALSO THE NON-REPRESENTED OR ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICERS AND NON-REPRESENTED EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT PLAN FOR THE PENSION BENEFIT MAXIMUM ACCRUAL AMENDMENT AND ALSO THEIR RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDY.

SO JUST SOME HISTORICAL FEEDBACK HERE ON NOVEMBER 13TH.

THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS PENSION PLAN WAS APPROVED OR SORRY, FIREFIGHTERS.

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED ON NOVEMBER 13TH AND DECEMBER 11TH.

THIS WEDNESDAY, THERE IS AN ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING TO AMEND THEIR PENSION PLAN TO READ A MONTHLY SUBSIDY BENEFIT OF $25 FOR EACH COMPLETED YEAR OF CREDITED SERVICE SHALL BE CREDITED TO THE PARTICIPANT AS ADJUSTED HEREIN, BUT IN NO EVENT EXCEED 30 YEARS OF CREDIT SERVICE AND THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2024.

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SO THE FISCAL IMPACT TO THIS FIREFIGHTERS PENSION AMENDMENT ON THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDY IS TO INCREASE AN ANNUAL COST OF $144,290, OR 1.4% OF PAYROLL.

FOR THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDY ON THE ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICERS AND NON-REPRESENTED EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT PLAN.

THERE IS A SECOND READING THAT WAS APPROVED ON NOVEMBER 13TH FOR THE SUBSIDY OF THE $20 FOR EACH YEAR OF CREDITED SERVICE, NOT TO EXCEED $500.

THIS WEDNESDAY, THERE'S AMENDMENT FOR FIRST READING TO BRING PARITY BETWEEN THE PLANS OF FIREFIGHTERS, PENSION AND NON-REPRESENTED TO REFLECT THE SAME LANGUAGE. MONTHLY SUBSIDY BENEFIT OF $25 FOR EACH YEAR OF CREDITED SERVICE NOT TO EXCEED 30 YEARS OF SERVICE, AND ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THIS HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDY AS IT WAS IN THE LAST READING AS WELL, AND WILL BE SO FORTH ON ON THE FIRST READING ON WEDNESDAY.

THE OTHER SECTION TO THIS ORDINANCE INVOLVES THE PENSION BENEFIT MAXIMUM ACCRUAL.

SO THIS IS JUST THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS IS CALCULATED.

SO FOR INSTANCE AN AVERAGE MONTHLY COMPENSATION OF AN EMPLOYEE IS $60,000.

THEY'VE HAD 29 YEARS OF CREDITED SERVICE.

THE MULTIPLIER FOR THIS EMPLOYEE IS 3%.

AND CURRENTLY IN THE PENSION THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT PAYABLE IS 80%.

SO IF YOU CALCULATE THAT THERE IF IT WAS JUST THE AVERAGE MONTHLY COMPENSATION OF $5,000 TIMES 29 YEARS OF SERVICE, AND THEN 3% GIVE YOU 4350 FOR A MONTHLY BENEFIT.

BECAUSE OF THE 80% MAXIMUM, THAT EMPLOYEE WOULD RECEIVE $4,000 MAXIMUM BENEFIT.

SO AS A COMPARISON, THE FIREFIGHTERS PENSION PLAN CURRENTLY PROVIDES A 100% OF THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT ACCRUAL OF THEIR FINAL MONTHLY COMPENSATION. SO DOES THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES PENSION PLAN.

AND AT THIS WEDNESDAY, THE ORDINANCE IS UP FOR FIRST READING TO REFLECT AN INCREASING OF THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT TO 100%.

ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, NOBODY'S FLIPPED OVER, SO I WILL ASK.

YOU MENTIONED THE THREE UNITS, AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING ANYTHING FOR FP.

WELL, SO WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING AT THIS PRESENTATION WAS JUST ON NON REP IN THEIR BENEFITS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO PUT US AFOUL OF ANYTHING WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

NO. OKAY.

THIS IS ALL FINE. OKAY.

AND AGAIN AFTER AFTER AFTER THE ELECTION.

THEN IT'S ALL FAIR GAME.

AND IF PERCHANCE THE UNION LOST THE ELECTION THEN YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DECIDE WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, IT WOULD BE THE COMMISSION SORT OF DIRECTING HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE PROCEDURALLY.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT.

UNORTHODOX, IN MY OPINION, IN THE RESPECTS OF ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS OUT IN THE OPEN.

I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED.

I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PROCEDURALLY HOW THIS IS COMING ABOUT, AND WORRY ABOUT HOW THAT AFFECTS THE INTEGRITY OF OF THE PROCESS IN GENERAL.

I DON'T WANT US TO RUN AFOUL OF ANYTHING THAT CAN CAUSE HARM TO OUR EMPLOYEES OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY IN GENERAL.

SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS PUTTING US BACK INTO WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AND THE DISCUSSIONS AS THEY'RE AUTHORIZED TO BE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF OUR UNITS, SO TO SPEAK.

ARE WE BACK ON BASE? ARE WE BACK TO WHERE WE SHOULD BE? YES, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE SO.

AND AGAIN, YOU'LL HAVE WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE UNION ELECTIONS AND THEN BE BACK EXACTLY ON TRACK.

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WELL, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING US BACK ON TRACK.

AND I GUESS WE'LL REVISIT THIS CONVERSATION AT ANOTHER TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

SO NOW WE'LL GO TO ONE BE DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS ON NEXT STEPS FOR THE NEW GOVERNMENT COMPLEX TO BE LOCATED IN THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY ON NOB HILL AND

[1.b Discussion and Consensus on Next Steps for New Government Complex to be located on City owned property on Nob Hill in Tamarac Presented by Brooke Mossier, VP Public Institution for Colliers, Gerard Yetming, Executive Vice President, Julian Zuniga, Associate and Ken Guyefte, Colliers]

TAMARAC. THE PRESENTATION WILL BE BY BROOKE MOSIER.

FORGIVE ME IF I SCREWED UP NAMES.

VP OF PUBLIC INSTITUTION FOR COLLIERS.

GERARD. YEMEN.

YEMEN. EXECUTIVE.

THANK YOU. VICE PRESIDENT JULIAN ZUNIGA.

ZUNIGA, ASSOCIATE.

AND KEN GUYETTE OF COLLIERS.

I THINK WE'RE MISSING ONE. KEN'S JOINING US REMOTELY.

GOTCHA. SO I'M GLAD WE GOT EVERYTHING FIXED.

SURE. IS HE ABLE TO.

KEN. CAN YOU. GOOD MORNING.

YES. I'M HERE. OKAY, GREAT.

GOOD MORNING. OKAY.

GOOD MORNING. MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE THIS MORNING.

MY NAME IS BROOKE MOSIER, VICE PRESIDENT WITH COLLIERS INTERNATIONAL.

JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES, GERALD YETMING, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT JULIAN ZUNIGA AND KEN GUYETTE, WHO IS JOINING US REMOTELY ON THE PHONE FROM COLLIERS PROJECT LEADERS. AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE WERE HERE LAST DECEMBER TO DISCUSS THE FUTURE OF TAMARAC.

AT THAT TIME, WE WERE TASKED WITH CONDUCTING A COMPREHENSIVE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS FOCUSED ON THE CITY'S OPERATIONAL NEEDS.

SINCE THEN, WE'VE CONDUCTED AN IN-DEPTH REVIEW OF THE CURRENT CITY HALL SITE WHERE WE'RE GATHERED TODAY, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC SERVICES SITE ON NOB HILL.

OUR WORK HAS INCLUDED SITE TOURS, INTERVIEWS WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO UNDERSTAND THEIR SPACE UTILIZATION, AND INTER-DEPARTMENTAL DEPARTMENTAL COLLABORATION, AS WELL AS EXPLORING FUTURE GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES.

ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE EVALUATED DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS FOR EACH LOCATION.

TODAY, WE'RE HERE TO SHARE OUR FINDINGS WITH YOU AND DISCUSS THE NEXT STEPS.

AGENDA. SO FIRST WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SITE WHERE WE SIT TODAY WITH BSO AND THE NOB HILL PUBLIC SERVICES PARKS AND REC SITE.

WE'LL GO INTO A WORKPLACE PROGRAM, LAND RESIDUAL ANALYSIS, TALK ABOUT A TIMELINE, AND DISCUSS NEXT STEPS.

THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS WE HAVE PERFORMED HAS LOOKED AT THE EXISTING CITY HALL SITE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND THE NOB HILL SITE AS A FUTURE TAMARAC MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.

OUR GOAL WAS TO EXPLORE THE OPTIMAL MIX OF USES FOR EACH SITE, WHILE ALSO ASSESSING THEIR VALUE AND DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.

THE VISION FOR THE NEW TAMARAC MUNICIPAL COMPLEX IS TO CREATE A DYNAMIC CITY CENTER BLENDING RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL, COMMUNITY AND CULTURAL SPACES TO FOSTER A VIBRANT AND CONNECTED HUB IN PARALLEL.

THE EXISTING CITY HALL SITE IS ENVISIONED AS A REVITALIZED DOWNTOWN AREA.

SEAMLESSLY EXTENDING TAMARAC VILLAGE WITH A THOUGHTFUL MIX OF COMMERCIAL, RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.

THIS SLIDE HERE, WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE SITES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YOU HAVE THE 14.76 ACRE CITY HALL SITE WHERE WE'RE SITTING, AND ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED 27 ACRE TAMARAC MUNICIPAL COMPLEX LOCATED OFF OF NOB HILL ROAD.

THE CHALLENGE CURRENTLY, MULTIPLE CITY SERVICES ARE BEING PROVIDED ACROSS DIFFERENT FACILITIES, WHICH IS INEFFICIENT FOR BOTH YOU AND YOUR RESIDENTS.

THIS FRAGMENTED APPROACH CREATES UNNECESSARY CHALLENGES AND DELAYS.

THE EXISTING BUILDING IS QUICKLY APPROACHING A POINT WHERE IT WILL BECOME FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE.

KEY SYSTEMS ARE NEARING THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE, AND SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES WILL SOON BE NEEDED TO BRING THE BUILDING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CODES IMPACTING BOTH FUNCTIONALITY AND SAFETY COST.

THESE FACILITIES ARE ACCUMULATING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE BY NOT OPTIMIZING THE USE OF CITY OWNED ASSETS, YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN POTENTIAL TAX REVENUE FROM PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT BEING DEVELOPED TO THEIR HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

NOW YOU CAN SEE THE OPPORTUNITIES ON THE RIGHT.

A NEWLY DESIGNED, RIGHT SIZED CITY CENTER WILL GREATLY BENEFIT YOUR CITIZENS BY PROVIDING A ONE STOP SHOP LOCATION, ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR THEM TO TRAVEL ACROSS THE CITY FOR DIFFERENT SERVICES.

THIS NEW FACILITY WILL ALSO SUPPORT IMPROVED RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OF CITY EMPLOYEES.

TAMARAC WILL BE ABLE TO BETTER COMPETE WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES AND EMPLOYERS BY OFFERING YOUR EMPLOYEES A MORE EFFICIENT AND MODERN WORKPLACE, ALLOWING THEM TO UTILIZE SPACE IN WAYS THAT ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH CURRENT WORK PRACTICES.

A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF SPACE NEEDED IS INEVITABLE, AS MANY OF THE CURRENT BUILDINGS WERE NOT DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE WAY PEOPLE WORK TODAY.

CURRENTLY, YOU'RE PROVIDING CLEANING AND OTHER SERVICES ACROSS MULTIPLE FACILITIES.

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CONSOLIDATING OPERATIONS INTO ONE LOCATION WILL YIELD SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS.

BY CENTRALIZING EVERYTHING IN ONE LOCATION, EMPLOYEES WILL BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE MORE EASILY ACROSS DEPARTMENTS.

WALKING DOWN THE HALL TO MEET WITH THEIR COLLEAGUES RATHER THAN DRIVING ACROSS THE CITY.

THE OVERALL COST OF BUILDING AND OCCUPYING A NEW FACILITY ON LAND ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY WILL BE FAR LESS THAN CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN AND OCCUPY EXISTING BUILDINGS.

ADDITIONALLY, REVENUE FROM POTENTIAL LAND SALES AND INCREASED TAX REVENUE FROM A MORE OPTIMIZED USE OF CITY OWNED PROPERTIES WILL FURTHER OFFSET COSTS.

ABOVE ALL, THE GOAL IS FOR TAMARAC TO BUILD FACILITIES THAT REFLECT ITS STANDING AS THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, PLAY AND INVEST.

A MODERN, EFFICIENT CITY CENTER WILL HELP SHOWCASE TAMARAC AS A VIBRANT COMMUNITY THAT IS FORWARD THINKING AND COMMITTED TO THE SUCCESS OF BOTH ITS RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES.

THIS IS JUST A ROADMAP SHOWING YOU WHAT WE HAVE COMPLETED TO DATE.

PHASE ONE DUE DILIGENCE AND STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT.

WE'VE COLLABORATED WITH STAFF TO TOUR THIS BUILDING AND OTHER CITY ASSETS TO ASSESS HOW THE SPACE IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED, AND TO EVALUATE THE CONDITION OF EXISTING BUILDING SYSTEMS. PHASE TWO NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WORKPLACE ADVISORY.

WE'VE ENGAGED WITH THE INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS AND DEPARTMENTS TO CONDUCT AN IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF HOW STAFF OPERATES TODAY, HOW WORK DYNAMICS HAVE EVOLVED DUE TO COVID 19, AND WHETHER THIS BUILDING MEETS THE NEEDS OF CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS OF THE CITY.

PHASE THREE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND IMPACT.

THIS PHASE BRINGS US HERE TODAY.

WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT OUR FINDINGS TO BUILD A CONSENSUS AND ENSURE ALIGNMENT OF EXPECTATIONS MOVING FORWARD.

PHASE FOUR MARKET ENGAGEMENT.

BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED TODAY, WE WILL COLLABORATE WITH SAP TO IMPLEMENT A SOLICITATION PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEXT STEPS.

NOW WORKPLACE PROGRAM AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KEN.

JUST TELL ME NEXT AND I'LL CHANGE IT.

OKAY GREAT.

GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING US TO COME AND PRESENT BACK EARLIER THIS YEAR IN THE FIRST FIRST QUARTER OF 2024 PROJECT LEADERS GROUP WAS ENGAGED WITH THE CITY TO PERFORM A HIGH LEVEL FACILITY CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT AS WELL AS DEVELOP INITIAL FACILITY SPACE NEEDS PROGRAM FOR THE NEW CITY HALL, AND BOTH WERE CONDUCTED AGAIN DURING THAT FIRST QUARTER OF 2024.

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THE EXISTING EXISTING CITY HALL FUNCTIONS, AND THEY ENCOMPASS WITHIN FIVE BUILDINGS WHICH ARE THE PUBLIC SERVICES, SOUTH PARKS ADMIN, PUBLIC SERVICES NORTH, THE BSO AND THE EXISTING CITY HALL FACILITY.

AND THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THOSE BUILDINGS IS CURRENTLY AT 144,935FT².

AFTER THE COMPLETION OF OUR PROGRAMING EFFORT, IT WAS REVEALED THAT AN UPDATED SPACE NEED FOR A NEW CITY HALL FACILITY WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 112,486FT², THE DIFFERENCE BEING A LITTLE OVER 32,000FT².

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WITHIN OUR 166 PAGE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT REPORT THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, WE REVEALED THAT IT WAS REVEALED THAT THE BUILDING SYSTEMS FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS ARE AT OR NEAR THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE.

THERE'S SEVERAL CODE ISSUES THROUGHOUT THOSE BUILDINGS.

SEISMIC ISSUES THROUGHOUT THOSE BUILDINGS.

CODES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND THOSE WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE UPGRADED WITHIN THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS.

AND SO IT WAS RECOMMENDED.

THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY.

FULL RENOVATION AND OR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THE FACILITY CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT REPORT, OR FCA, CONTAINS WHAT WE CALL HIGH LOW, PROBABLE PROJECT BUDGETS.

AND THESE ARE AGAIN TOTAL PROJECT BUDGETS.

THEY INCLUDE THE HARD CONSTRUCTION COSTS AS WELL AS SOFT COSTS WHICH WOULD BE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, DESIGN FEES, TESTING, LAB FEES, FURNITURE, FIXTURES, EQUIPMENT, ETC.

FOR BOTH OPTIONS.

AND THESE BUDGETS.

ASSUME AS WELL THAT THEY'RE COMPETITIVELY BID AND A CMR DELIVERY METHOD CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK DELIVERY METHOD.

AND WE ALSO ENSURE THAT THE COSTS WERE ESCALATED UP TO 2026.

YEAR 2026.

THE RENOVATION OPTION.

THE PROBABLE COST FOR A TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET FOR THE RENOVATION ENDED UP BEING APPROXIMATELY $113 MILLION.

THE MAJOR BUILDING RENOVATIONS WILL ALSO REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT SCHEDULE COMMITMENT.

TOTAL SCHEDULE FOR THIS OPTION WILL TAKE A MINIMUM OF 48 MONTHS.

AND LOGISTICALLY, THIS IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO RECRUIT, WILL REQUIRE SWING SPACE, WILL NEEDED, WILL BE NEEDED TO DEVELOP TO ALLOW AN EXISTING BUILDING OR PORTION THEREOF TO BE VACATED INTO THE SWING SPACE, COME OFFLINE, AND THEN RENOVATIONS WOULD BE COMPLETED WITH THAT, WITH THAT BUILDING THAT WAS PULLED OFFLINE, THIS PROCESS

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WILL HAVE TO OCCUR MULTIPLE TIMES OVER MULTIPLE FACILITIES.

AND THESE ADDITIONAL LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES.

THE SWING SPACE CHALLENGE WILL ADD A MINIMUM OF 15 MONTHS TO THE OVERALL SCHEDULE.

AND THE LAST POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE ON THIS IS THE OPTION.

THIS OPTION WOULD NOT PROVIDE ANY SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

THE NEXT OPTION IS OBVIOUSLY NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THE PROBABLE TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET IS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED AT ABOUT $109 MILLION.

THIS WILL ALSO REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT SCHEDULE COMMITMENT.

HOWEVER, IF PLANNED PROPERLY, THIS STAND ALONE FACILITY, WE COULD CONSTRUCT THIS WITH MINIMAL LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES COMPARED TO THE MAJOR RENOVATIONS OPTION, AND MINIMAL SWING SPACE WOULD BE MAY BE NEEDED TO DEVELOP THIS PART OF THE PROJECT FOR EARLY ENABLING WORK TO ALLOW THE EXISTING BUILDING TO BE VACATED INTO THE SWING SPACE, AND ONCE COMPLETED, ALL EXISTING FACILITIES ARE VACATED INTO THE NEW FACILITY AND THE NEW AND THE EXISTING FACILITY WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.

THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO TAKE APPROXIMATELY 33 MONTHS.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THIS OPTION WOULD PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD ALSO OFFSET THE COST OF THE NEW FACILITY, WHICH JULIE WILL GET INTO IN A MOMENT.

AND IN ADDITION, THE NEW REDEVELOPMENT WOULD PROVIDE POTENTIALLY A NEW ADDITIONAL TAX BASE FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL.

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WELL GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST THAT IT'S VERY EXCITING TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO BE HERE PRESENTING BEFORE YOU GUYS.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME I PRESENT BEFORE A CITY COMMISSION, SO IT'S VERY EXCITING.

SO OUR TEAM AT COLLIERS, WE FOCUS ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ASSIGNMENTS, LAND THAT GETS REDEVELOPED INTO RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USES.

SO WE ARE BROUGHT INTO THE ASSIGNMENT TO ANALYZE AND STUDY THE REDEVELOPMENT POTENTIALS OF BOTH THE SITE WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW AND THE NOB HILL SITE.

WE STUDIED BOTH SIDES.

WE LOOKED AT POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OPTIONS AND STARTING WITH THE NOB HILL SITE, WHICH WILL HOUSE THE FUTURE OF NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.

WE THINK THAT THAT PROPERTY WILL ALSO BE REDEVELOPED INTO RESIDENTIAL USES OF OF AROUND 450 UNITS, MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.

IT WILL ALSO HAVE A HOSPITALITY COMPONENT, 250 KEYS.

AND BY THE WAY THIS IS THE PROGRAMING THAT WE ARRIVED AT AFTER SPEAKING WITH, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF.

MAXINE LEVENT. AND YOU KNOW, THE THE RENDERING HERE ON THE ON THE SLIDE IS THE POTENTIAL FUTURE FOR NOB HILL WHERE THERE'S A CITY, THE NEW CITY HALL IN THE MIDDLE, SURROUNDED BY THE OTHER COMPONENTS, AND THEN SOME GREEN AREAS IN THE MIDDLE.

NOW FOR THIS SITE WHERE WE'RE ON NOW WE PROJECTED THAT THAT REDEVELOPMENT WILL HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS.

OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY STILL HAS TO OPERATE OUT OF THIS LOCATION WHILE THE NEW CITY HALL IS DEVELOPED.

SO IN THAT IN THE REDEVELOPMENT FOR THIS SITE, WE WENT WITH WAY HIGHER DENSITY.

IT'S JUST WORTH NOTING THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN TAMARAC RIGHT NOW WITH THAT HIGH DENSITY, BUT WE THINK THAT IN THE FUTURE, IN THREE YEARS, IT'S PROBABLY MORE FEASIBLE TO DEVELOP THAT AMOUNT OF UNITS.

SO ONCE WE HAVE THIS REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAMING FOR BOTH SITES KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE VISION THAT YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

WE DID A LAND RESIDUAL ANALYSIS TO KIND OF OKAY, SO THESE ARE OTHER RENDERINGS, PRELIMINARY DESIGNS AND IDEAS FOR WHAT FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT WOULD BE.

THE IDEA WOULD BE TO ACTIVATE THE NEW CITY HALL YOU KNOW, CREATE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR RESIDENTS, YOU GUYS, EMPLOYEES, AND HAVE MORE OF A COMMUNITY CENTER. AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY IDEAS OR RENDERINGS OF THE FUTURE, WHAT THE FUTURE PROJECT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO THEN WHEN WE WENT INTO THE LAND RESIDUAL ANALYSIS, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO TRY AND SEE WHICH SCENARIO WOULD BE THE BEST SUITABLE FOR THE CITY AND HOW THE AND AND WHAT EACH SCENARIO WOULD LEAD TO IN TERMS OF REVENUE.

SO IN SCENARIO ONE, WE JUST DID WE ASSUMED THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD BUY BOTH SIDES.

JUST AN OUTRIGHT PURCHASE FROM THE CITY WOULD REDEVELOP THE PROPERTIES, BOTH THE NEW CITY HALL AND THE OTHER USES THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO BUILD.

AND WE THINK THAT IN THAT SCENARIO, THE TOTAL REVENUES GENERATED FROM THE SALE WOULD BE BETWEEN 52 TO 56 MILLION.

AND THAT'S BROKEN UP AROUND 30 MILLION FOR THE NOB HILL SITE AND AROUND 24 MILLION FOR THE SITE THAT WE'RE ON NOW.

THIS OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, REDEVELOP THE USES THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT BEFORE, AND THAT CITY HALL WOULD WOULD HAVE TO BE LEASED BACK BY THE CITY TO THE DEVELOPER.

THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY GENERATE DAY ONE REVENUES TO THE CITY, WHICH MIGHT OFFSET SOME OF THE FUNDING COSTS FOR THE PROJECT.

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AND THEN WE GO INTO SCENARIO TWO, WHICH IS A LAND LEASE IN SCENARIO ONE.

OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY DOES NOT RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTIES THEY TRANSFER OVER TO THE DEVELOPER.

IN SCENARIO TWO, WE LOOKED AT A POTENTIAL LONG TERM LAND LEASE IN WHICH THE CITY DOES RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTIES, AND THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND ENTERS INTO A LONG TERM LAND LEASE.

IN THAT SCENARIO, THEY ALSO BUILD AT THEIR OWN COST.

THE THE NEW CITY HALL AND THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE AND THE COMPONENTS THAT THEY THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD IN THE PROJECT.

AND WE ESTIMATE THAT THAT WILL GENERATE ABOUT $2.675 MILLION IN LAND LEASE REVENUES.

DAY ONE. THAT THAT GETS ESCALATED EVERY FIVE YEARS AROUND AND AROUND 10%.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT HERE IS THAT THE CITY RETAINS OWNERSHIP OF OF THE PARCELS.

AND THEN IN THE THIRD SCENARIO YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT KEN AND KEN SAID PREVIOUSLY, THAT THE NEW COST OF THE CITY HALL WOULD BE AROUND 110 MILLION, THEY'RE STILL IN THE TWO SCENARIOS.

THERE'S STILL A DEFICIT OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED BY THE CITY TO COVER THE COST OF THE PROJECT.

SO IN THE THIRD SCENARIO, WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT IT WAS A MORE PUBLIC, PRIVATE RELATIONSHIP WHERE THE CITY KIND OF CONTRIBUTES THE LAND TO THE DEVELOPER.

THE DEVELOPER BUILDS BACK CITY HALL AND THEN GRANTS IT BACK TO THE CITY.

YOU KNOW THIS THIS ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD CITY HALL AND ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS WITH MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE COSTS.

AND IT COULD BE AND IT COULD RESULT IN REDUCED COSTS FOR FUNDING PRIVATE FUNDING FROM THE CITY TO, FOR THE FOR THE NEW CITY HALL.

SO IN THIS NEXT SLIDE, WE LOOK AT THE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO TRY AND CALCULATE WHAT THE FUNDING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE.

WE HAVE A RANGE OF LOW COST ON THE LEFT, LOW REDEVELOPMENT COST FOR CITY HALL AND LOW LAND VALUE, AND THEN MOVING TO THE RIGHT, A HIGH COST OF REDEVELOPMENT FOR THE NEW CITY HALL WITH LAND WITH HIGH LAND VALUES.

SO TO TRY TO CALCULATE THE MOST OPTIMISTIC SCENARIO, TO SEE HOW MUCH WOULD BE THE FACILITY FUNDING DEFICIT.

WE ASSUME THAT THE LAND WOULD BE SOLD AT THE HIGHEST PRICE FROM OUR RANGE, WHICH IS 56 MILLION, AND THAT IT WOULD COST ABOUT 100 MILLION ON THE LOWER END TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL.

SO THERE'S STILL A DEFICIT OF AROUND $44 MILLION THAT NEEDS TO BE COLLECTED TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN WE MOVE TO THE MOST PROBABLE CASE WHERE THE LAND VALUE ENDS UP BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RANGE, AROUND 55 MILLION.

THE COSTS ARE WERE CAN ESTIMATE AT AROUND 109 MILLION, AND THERE'S STILL A $54 MILLION DEFICIT.

AND THEN ON THE MOST PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO, WE ASSUME THAT THE LAND GETS SOLD AT THE LOWEST PRICE AND THAT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION ENDS UP BEING ON THE HIGHER END.

SO THERE'S STILL A DEFICIT.

BUT THEN ON THE FINAL SCENARIO WE SEE THAT IF THE LAND IS GRANTED TO THE DEVELOPER THERE'S NO UPFRONT REVENUES FROM LAND SALES, BUT THEY WOULD, DEPENDING ON THEIR PROPOSALS AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL COST TO DEVELOP CITY HALL.

IT WOULD. IT COULD RESULT IN REDUCED FUNDING FROM CITY, FROM THE CITY FOR FOR THE CITY HALL.

AND IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THESE PROJECTS ARE BUILT AND STABILIZED, THEY WILL RESULT IN 13 TO $15 MILLION OF TAX REVENUE, REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUES A YEAR. NOW, ONCE THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION OR DIRECTION FROM THE CITY ON WHICH SCENARIO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO OR WHAT'S MORE FEASIBLE, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY MARKETING TIMELINE OF WHAT IT TAKES US INTERNALLY TO GO TO MARKET, CREATE THE MARKET FOR THE SITE. YOU KNOW, WE DO A PROFESSIONAL MARKETING CAMPAIGN WHERE WE CREATE OFFERING MATERIALS INCLUDING A BROCHURE, A WEBSITE, PROPERTY, VIDEOS, VIDEOS TO HIGHLIGHT THE OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS.

IN THIS CASE, WE ASSUME THAT WE WOULD GO TO MARKET IN FEBRUARY IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE.

AND THEN WE ARE IN THE MARKET FOR AROUND THREE MONTHS WHEN WE THEN HAVE A PUBLIC BIDDING DEADLINE OR A CALL FOR OFFERS, WHERE ALL DEVELOPERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE DEAL WOULD SUBMIT THEIR OFFERS TO THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, SOME MIGHT HAVE A LAND LEASE SCENARIO, SOME MIGHT WANT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, SOME MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE THE THIRD SCENARIO.

AND THEN WE FROM MAY TO JULY, WE FILTER ALL THE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL OFFERS.

WE GO BACK TO THE TERMS THAT THE CITY WOULD BEST LIKE TO SEE, AND THEN WE ASK FOR BEST, BEST AND FINAL BEST AND FINAL BIDS TO BE DUE. AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER, AFTER FILTERING ALL THE POTENTIAL OFFERS AND FROM THE DEVELOPERS THAT END UP BIDDING, THERE'S A BUYER SELECTED. AND THEN AFTER, DEPENDING ON WHICH ROUTE TO TAKE, WHETHER IT'S A SALE, A LAND LEASE OR A CONTRIBUTION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DUE DILIGENCE TIMELINE AND THEN A

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CLOSING THEREAFTER.

NEXT STEPS.

SO THE NEXT STEPS WE WOULD WORK WITH STAFF ON FINALIZING THE SPACE PROGRAM.

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED A SALE, LEASE OR POTENTIAL LAND CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY.

IDENTIFY POTENTIAL FUNDING OPTIONS AND A TIMELINE OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED FOR NEXT STEPS.

NOW WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

OH, THAT WAS JUST AN APPENDIX.

IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

MADAM MAYOR. SO I KNOW THIS IS A LOT TO YOU KNOW, TAKE IN AT ONE PRESENTATION. AND SO THE NEXT STEPS YOU KNOW SEEMS LIKE WE MAY BE ASKING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THEN, THEN WE'RE PREPARED TO DECIDE TODAY.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO DELIBERATE THE, THE IDEA OF, OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE WITH THESE PLANS, BUT ALLOW US SOME FLEXIBILITY TO BRING YOU THE CHOICE OR THE RECOMMENDED METHODOLOGY FOR FUNDING OF THESE DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS IN TERMS OF SALE, LEASE OR LAND CONTRIBUTION.

WE MAY NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO EXPLORE ON THOSE OPTIONS.

BUT YOU KNOW, PROVIDED YOU GIVE US THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN DEFINITELY IDENTIFY THE MOST MOST, I DON'T WANT TO SAY PROFITABLE, BUT MOST APPROPRIATE SOLUTION AND START THE CONVERSATION FROM THERE.

WELL, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I AM A BIG PROPONENT OF DOING SOMETHING.

I'M WATCHING OUR CITY CRUMBLING, WATCHING US REPAINTING THINGS TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER ON THE OUTSIDE.

SO WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE, THEY'RE NOT AFRAID OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME INTO.

I'M LISTENING TO RESIDENTS COMPLAIN THAT THEY HAD TO GO TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND THEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND THEN GO BACK AND FORTH, AND THEY JUST HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT IT LAST WEEK AND A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ASSOCIATION MEETINGS I WAS ATTENDING.

THERE IS A LOT TO DIGEST.

THERE'S A LOT TO FIGURE OUT.

I SAW SOME STUFF ABOUT WORDING OF A DEVELOPER FOR A HOTEL.

THERE'S SOME CONVERSATIONS AND QUESTIONS.

I THINK WE MAY ALSO WANT TO FILTER THROUGH AND HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON WHAT'S THE BEST.

EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE DID TAMARAC VILLAGE, AND I'M ALSO VERY HAPPY THAT WE DID COLONY WEST.

HOWEVER, ONE OF THEM WAS A LAND LEASE TYPE SITUATION AND PART OF IT WE LEARNED SOME HARD LESSONS.

ONE WAS HAVING THEM A DEVELOPER BUILD FOR US AND WE LEARN SOME HARD LESSONS.

SO THERE'S A COMBINATION PLATE OF ALL THIS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE LEARN LESSONS, TO NOT DO THEM AGAIN, TO WHERE WE'RE THE ONES HAVING A BURDEN OF IT. WHETHER IT'S DELAY TAKING OVER A PROJECT, REDOING IT, HAVING TO GO SMALLER BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET, WHEN WE HAD CERTAIN PLANS THAT WE HAD AGREED.

WELL, WHICHEVER COMMISSION WAS IN PLACE AT THE TIME HAD AGREED TO, BUT HAD TO ADJUST.

THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT HAS TO GO INTO.

BUT IF YOU'RE JUST ASKING AT THIS POINT FOR CONSENSUS TO CONTINUE LOOKING INTO IT, I KNOW PERSONALLY I SAY YES.

SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I WILL.

WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS CONSENSUS ON THE IDEA OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IDENTIFYING THE THE MOST APPROPRIATE SOLUTION FOR DEVELOPING THESE PROPOSED CONCEPTS.

MR. PATTERSON. GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, MANAGER.

CAN YOU FIRST SPEAK TO WHAT ARE THE NATURE OF THE ISSUES IN TERMS OF RENOVATIONS? I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHERE DO WE WHAT ARE THOSE ISSUES? SURE. SO THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDINGS, THE AGE OF THE BUILDINGS IS JUST ONE ELEMENT OF THIS CONVERSATION.

BUT TO TO TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE ISSUES LIKE THIS BUILDING.

IT JUST THE MAJOR COMPONENTS.

IT NEEDS A NEW ROOF.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR THAT.

AND THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING TO SUPPORT THAT NEW ROOF IS NOT THERE.

SO WE NEED TO REPLACE THE, THE, THE METAL STRUCTURE OF THE, THE BUILDING TO SUPPORT THAT NEW ROOF.

SO THESE ARE JUST THE THE MOST BASIC ELEMENTS OF MAINTENANCE ITEMS. OUTSIDE OF THAT WE HAVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY ISSUES.

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WE HAVE CLIMATE CONTROL EFFICIENCY ISSUES IN THIS BUILDING.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WORK INDEPENDENTLY OF EACH OTHER.

AND SO WE HAVE A HUGE ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROBLEM IN THIS IN THIS BUILDING.

AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE HAVE YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN IN THE 70S.

AND WE ALLOCATED THIS OPEN SPACE WITH, WITH SOME GREEN GREENERY AND STUFF, BUT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR STAFFING NEEDS.

AS WE, AS THE CITY GREW, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO DIVERSE THE CITY EMPLOYEES TO THE OUTSIDE LOCATIONS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS IN IS IN A DIFFERENT BUILDING A MILE OR TWO AWAY FROM HERE.

OUR PLANNING AND ZONING IS HERE, OUR CASHIER'S OFFICE HERE.

SO WE DO NOT HAVE THAT ONE STOP SHOP SHARP EXPERIENCE FOR A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMERS.

NOW YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TIMES ARE CHANGING.

YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE ONLINE SERVICES ARE BEING PROVIDED.

BUT NEVERTHELESS, TO HAVE THIS COLLABORATION OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYEES AND OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR DEVELOPERS IS THE IDEAL SITUATION.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE.

ALL OUR BUILDINGS ARE IN SIMILAR SITUATION.

YOU KNOW, IN THE PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT, THE NEWEST BUILDING THAT IS BUILT I CALL IT THE IT BUILDING.

IT'S FROM 2008.

AND SO EVEN THAT ONE IS SHOWING AGING CONCERNS AND PROBLEMS WITH, YOU KNOW HVAC, ELECTRICITY AND OTHER MAINTENANCE ITEMS. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I BELIEVE THE BIGGEST BENEFIT TO THIS CONVERSATION STATION IS WHAT IT DOES TO TAMARAC AND WHAT IT DOES.

WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS, IS FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT TAMARAC VILLAGE DOWNTOWN TAMARAC THAT THAT CONCEPT.

AND SO NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT CONCEPT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THIS LOCATION, THE PUBLIC SERVICES OR THE NOB HILL LOCATION.

TAMARAC VILLAGE AND ALL THE OTHER POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THAT'S PLANNED TO TAKE PLACE ALONG 57 STREET. AND SO THE GELIN DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL TAX REVENUES.

SO THESE ARE THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD ELEVATE THE CITY OF TAMARAC INTO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY IS HAS GOT THE FUNDS TO, TO BEAUTIFY AND PAVE AND LANDSCAPE AND PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.

SO IT'S A MULTIFACETED, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION FOR SURE.

THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NO SECRET THAT I JUST GOT HERE.

SO I'M CURIOUS ALSO TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT'S THE FEEL OF THE STAFF.

ARE THEY COMFORTABLE WORKING? WHAT ARE WE GETTING ACROSS THE VARIOUS SPACES THAT STAFF DO OCCUPY.

CURRENTLY, DO WE HAVE CHALLENGES THAT ARE BEING ARTICULATED DIRECTLY FROM THE STAFF? ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THIS THIS WORK SPACE CONVERSATION.

YOU KNOW WE HAVE IN MOST OF OUR BUILDINGS IN THE OLD TRADITIONAL WAYS PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL OFFICES.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE LOOKING TO HAVE OFFICES AND OFFICE SPACES.

WE HAVE THESE DEPARTMENT ALLOCATED MEETING SPACES THAT ARE JUST DEDICATED TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

SO THE STAFFS SENSE FROM WHAT I, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL IS THAT, YOU KNOW OUR WORK SPACE IS AGING AND OUR WORK SPACE IS YOU KNOW, A LITTLE OUT OF TOUCH TO PROVIDE THE MOST COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR, FOR EASY ACCESS TO YOU KNOW, WHO WE WORK WITH ON OUR DAILY ROUTINES.

SO THAT'S A LONG WAY TO SAY YOU KNOW NEW BUILDING IS, IS OR NEW FACILITIES IS ALWAYS ATTRACTIVE TO THE EMPLOYEES. AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE HEARD ANY NEGATIVE CONVERSATION FROM ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

YOU CAN AND YOU ALL HAVE CONDUCTED THE SPACE STUDY.

YOU MET WITH EVERY CITY GROUP OF EMPLOYEES.

AND SO I BELIEVE THE APPROACH WAS FAIRLY POSITIVE.

CAN YOU GUYS SPEAK TO THAT?

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KEN? YES.

THAT'S A PART OF OUR FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT REPORT, AND WE CAN ABSOLUTELY MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU.

YEAH. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW.

I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE HAVE SOME BUY IN ON THIS AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THE OTHER PART, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD FOR YOU IS WITH RESPECT TO FUNDING THE PROJECT, I THINK MAJORITY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, A PURCHASE.

WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A LAND LEASE, THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT, WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY AS VERSED WITH THAT? CAN YOU ARTICULATE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THAT WORKS? WELL, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO SELECT THE BEST DEVELOPER WITH WHOM TO PARTNER.

THEY WOULD BASICALLY TAKE TITLE TO THE LAND.

THEY WOULD BUILD THEIR PROJECT AS WELL AS THE NEW CITY HALL, AND THEN ASSIGN THE CITY HALL BACK TO YOU.

AND THAT ACCOMPLISHES A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO THE GOAL, THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO TRY AND DESIGN AND GET FOR THE CITY AND ITS CONSTITUENTS THE BEST, MOST MODERN NEW SOLUTION POSSIBLE. THE SECOND GOAL IS TO DO SO AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE COST.

AND THE THIRD GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE THE TAX REVENUES.

SO BY ENTERING INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, YOU CAN SORT OF GET BIDS FROM DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS FOR THE BEST SOLUTION TO ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS. NUMBER ONE, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE WOULD BE AN RFP PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD DICTATE TO THE DEVELOPERS, THESE ARE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEW FACILITY.

WE WOULD TELL THEM AS WELL, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN TERMS OF NEW DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE WOULD ASK THEM TO PUT TOGETHER AN ECONOMIC OR A FINANCIAL PROPOSAL FOR HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DELIVER ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS TO THE CITY AND WHAT, IF ANY, COSTS THERE WOULD BE TO THE CITY.

AND WE WOULD EXPECT THERE TO BE A LOT OF SAVINGS THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL, BECAUSE THROUGH A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, IN ORDER TO GET THE JOB, ARE GOING TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO BUILD THE FACILITY FOR YOU AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE COST.

SO THE END RESULT IS THAT THE LAND THAT WHERE THESE TWO FACILITIES CURRENTLY EXIST WOULD BE TURNED OVER TO THE DEVELOPER IN EXCHANGE FOR THE FINISHED CITY HALL TO BE GRANTED BACK TO THE CITY AT THE END OF THE PROJECT.

AND IF I MAY YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY KNOWN AS P3 PROJECTS.

AND SO JULIAN CAN, CAN OR OR BROOKE CAN, CAN CHIME IN HERE, BUT THOSE ARE THE MOST POPULAR PARTNERSHIPS. THAT'S THAT'S FEEDING ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS THESE DAYS.

THE BIGGEST BENEFIT OF THAT TO THE DEVELOPER, OBVIOUSLY, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHELL OUT 50, $60 MILLION OF INITIAL INVESTMENT ON THE LAND.

AND SO THEY CAN UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND FOR THE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT.

SO IT'S A VERY POPULAR APPROACH THESE DAYS.

HAS THE CITY DONE A P3 PROJECT IN THE PAST? WELL, YOU CAN CONSIDER TAMARAC VILLAGE AS AS A P3 PROJECT.

AND WE PROVIDED THE LAND AND AND THEY DID THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE LAND IS, IS LEASED FOR FOR 99 YEARS.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A SORT OF YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP.

AND COLONY WEST WAS A WITH THE HOTEL, SORT OF.

YES. P3 RIGHT.

BUT ALSO OUR GROUP HAS BEEN FAIRLY ACTIVE IN FLORIDA DOING THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS.

AND BROOKE CAN TALK TO YOU A COUPLE OF ACTIVE ASSIGNMENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT COULD HELP ILLUSTRATE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THE CITY OF MARGATE IS CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING THIS RIGHT NOW.

THEY PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR REDEVELOPING 50 ACRES IN THEIR DOWNTOWN WITH A NEW CITY HALL.

AND REALLY, THEY'RE LOOKING TO PICK A PARTNER.

AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THE PLAN FOR CITY HALL WILL BE FINALIZED AT A LATER DATE.

BUT YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE LOOKING TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.

I THINK A LOT OF CITIES, THEIR CITY HALLS ARE, YOU KNOW, ENDING THEIR USEFUL LIFE, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO REDEVELOP THEIR LAND FOR THE FUTURE.

ALL RIGHT. AND I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MAYOR.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I ASKED ABOUT I KIND OF TRIED TO DO A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO MY QUESTIONS.

BUT LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE IN THE EVENT THAT THERE WERE CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD? AND I KNOW THAT THE MANAGER DID STATE THAT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL IMPACT? BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS ARE OFTENTIMES WHEN THEY HEAR NUMBERS LIKE THIS, WHETHER THEY UNDERSTAND THE DEPTHS OF THE PROJECT OR NOT, THEY HEAR THE NUMBERS. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO MANAGER COLLIER TEAM, WHAT IS THIS?

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WHAT IS THE IMPACT POTENTIALLY ON OUR RESIDENTS? WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT IMPACT AT THIS POINT, BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT BASED ON POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT VALUE OF THESE PROJECTS, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT ANNUAL FOREVER REVENUE GENERATED FROM, FROM POTENTIAL TAXES FROM, FROM THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

SO WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO MAINTAINING AND CONTINUING THE CITY SERVICES. OUR COST OF OPERATING IS CONTINUALLY GETTING HIGHER AND HIGHER.

YOU JUST APPROVED THE CONTRACT FOR FIRE RESCUE THAT THAT ADDED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO THEIR TO THEIR ANNUAL BUDGET.

WE'RE DOING THIS FOR SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

SO WE DO NEED SOME SOME DEVELOPMENT TO SUSTAIN THE CITY SERVICES AT THESE LEVELS OR HIGHER LEVELS.

AND SO THAT'S THE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON A POSITIVE LEVEL.

AND ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU KNOW, THE CITY WILL DEFINITELY HAVE SOME COST FOR, FOR, FOR THIS BUILDING.

I SHOULDN'T SAY DEFINITELY, BUT POTENTIALLY HAS SOME COST OF DEVELOPING THESE FACILITIES.

AND IF THAT BECOMES THE CASE, OBVIOUSLY THAT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, A RESPONSIBILITY OR BURDEN ON THE CITY'S BUDGET AND AND FUTURE TAX COLLECTION, SO WE DON'T KNOW THE TRUE NATURE OF THAT IMPACT RIGHT NOW.

BUT I BELIEVE BASED ON ESTIMATES, THE POSITIVES MUCH OUTWEIGH THE THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE ON THE RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU. AND JUST I'M SORRY.

ONE MORE ONE MORE QUESTION.

I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WHAT WE HEARD WAS THAT THE COST FOR RENOVATION WOULD EXCEED THE COST FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. YES, THAT IS ACCURATE.

YES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. YOU'RE WELCOME, COMMISSIONER DANIEL.

GOOD MORNING.

MORNING. SO MY MY CONCERN IS I LIKE THE PICTURES.

YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS VIBRANT AND NICE, BUT I HAVE VISITED SOME MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT VIBRANT AND NICE.

NO, NOT BECAUSE IT'S NEW OR WHATEVER, BUT I HAVE SEEN WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT, SO THAT'S A CONCERN.

BUT THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUSPECT RESIDENTS WOULD MOVE IN OR PEOPLE WOULD MOVE IN.

BUT I'VE SEEN IT EVEN LOCALLY WHERE IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN.

AND A BIG CONCERN IS THE COST.

I DON'T WANT TO PAY A HIGHER TAX BILL.

MY TAX BILL IS ALREADY WAY TOO HIGH, AND I'M SURE THE RESIDENTS IN MY DISTRICT DON'T WANT TO.

AND THERE'S NO PLAN OF HOW THIS MONEY IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR.

AND THE ONLY WAY OUR INCOME COMES FROM TAXES.

SO HOW IS THE RESIDENTS THAT'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT? BOTTOM LINE. SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.

UNLESS YOU HAD A PLAN WHERE IT'S GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF.

BUT TO ME WE'RE SELLING WHAT WE HAVE AND INQUIRING A BILL.

THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBERS TELL ME.

AND YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE IDEA OF BUILDING AND BECOMING BETTER, BUT AT WHAT COST? NO. SO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO AT THIS TIME, NOT ASK FOR A DIRECTION IN TERMS OF SALE OR LEASE OR PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS SO WE CAN EXPLORE THESE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT OUR GOAL, OUR INTENTION IS TO YOU KNOW, KEEP THE COST DOWN TO A MINIMUM.

AND I'D LIKE TO SAY TO NOTHING FOR, FOR THIS, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND AGAIN IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO IMPACT THE, THE COMMUNITY'S MILLAGE RATE OR THE TAX RATE BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL REVENUES FROM, FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF, NOT JUST TODAY, BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

YOU SAID POTENTIAL REVENUE.

WHAT SLIDE WAS THAT ON? I DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT.

IT'S SLIDE 15, WHERE WE CALCULATED THE POTENTIAL TAX REVENUES FROM THE AS BUILT BUILDINGS.

ONCE THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY BUILT, IT WOULD BE 13 TO $15 MILLION A YEAR IN REAL ESTATE TAXES.

BUT THESE WOULD BE FROM THE NEW FROM THE NEW UNITS THAT ARE BEING BUILT.

SO THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 12.

SO WE'RE SPENDING OVER A HUNDRED MILLION, I MIGHT SAY, HOW MUCH WE SPENT, BECAUSE IT'S SO LARGE, 110 MILLION, 110 MILLION TO

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GENERATE 13 MILLION, POSSIBLY 13 MILLION A YEAR.

WELL, THE ISSUE IS THAT OUR STUDY INDICATED YOU'D HAVE TO SPEND 100 MILLION ANYWAY IF YOU WERE TO STAY IN YOUR EXISTING FACILITIES.

SO I HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD, BUT IT'S OLD.

YOU GOT TO REDO YOUR ROOF.

YOU GOT TO PAINT. YOU HAVE TO FIX UP AND MAINTAIN YOUR HOUSE.

WHERE DO YOU BUY THIS NEW BUILDING OR NOT? THAT'S JUST PART OF LIFE, SO TO SAY.

OH, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. SO WE GOT TO GO NEW.

I WISH I COULD DO THAT RIGHT.

I WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN.

CAN SPEAK TO THIS. BUT FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD FROM KEN'S REPORT IS THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE FACILITIES, ALL OF THE SO MANY OF THE THE EXISTING SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDING HAD TO BE REPLACED.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING.

ANYWAY CAN MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY THE COST TO BUILD IS CHEAPER THAN THE COST TO RENOVATE.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE EXISTING FIVE BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE THERE.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO CURRENTLY HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO TODAY'S CODES.

LEVENT MENTIONED YOU KNOW, EFFICIENCIES.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING EFFICIENCIES FOR THE, THE ENVELOPE, THE STRUCTURAL CAPACITIES, THE SEISMIC CAPACITIES.

ET CETERA. ET CETERA. ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR.

YOU COULD EITHER DO IT IN ONE PROJECT LIKE WE CONTEMPLATED HERE, WHICH IS WHAT CAUSED THE $113 MILLION PRICE TAG.

OR YOU CAN DO IT OVER A TEN YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

BUT WHAT WHAT DOES THAT DO THAT COSTS MORE EVERY YEAR? COSTS FOR CONSTRUCTION ARE GOING UP.

AND IT'S JUST GOING TO IT'S JUST GOING TO COMPOUND.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WE FELL INTO THAT WITH EVEN WITH SHAKER VILLAGE, WE WAIT, THE PRICE GO UP.

HOWEVER, AND I UNDERSTAND TAMARAC VILLAGE WAS TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY, BUT WE HAD A 2 MILLION LOSS THIS YEAR AS PREVIOUS MEETING TOTAL, SO IT MIGHT HAVE STIMULATE, BUT WE DON'T SEE THE MONEY.

AND I JUST FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SPENDING 110 MILLION FOR A NEW PROJECT THAT MAYBE IN FIVE, TEN YEARS LATER WE GET 13 MILLION BACK, RIGHT? OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD NOT BE TO TO SPEND $110 MILLION TO BUILD THIS.

YEAH, BUT IF YOU SELL, THE ONLY WAY TO OFFSET THAT BASED ON THIS PRESENTATION IS TO SELL THE LAND.

OUR ONLY LITTLE ASSET.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THIS, THIS AT THIS TIME TO MAKE TO NOT MAKE IT A CHOICE OR DECISION ON THE TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE SELL IT 50, $55 MILLION, IF YOU LEASE IT, IT'S THAT MUCH.

I THINK THE IDEA IS TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL AND THE REST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AT CLOSE TO ZERO COST TO TO CITY TAXPAYERS.

BUT THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED TODAY.

IT IS THE LAST OPTION, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS, BUT IT IS THE LAST PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OPTION.

AND THE ONLY AND I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT THE ONLY EXAMPLE WE HAVE OF THAT IN THE CITY IS TAMARAC VILLAGE, WHICH FROM BEING PROFITABLE FINANCIALLY IS, IS WE HAVE NOT SEEN.

WELL, TAMARAC VILLAGE GENERATES A SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, TAX DOLLARS.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY'S FINANCES.

BUT AT WHAT COST? REMEMBER THE COST? WE HAD TO PAY $2 MILLION BACK JUST TODAY.

SO AT SOME POINT THAT TO ME, THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS BENEFIT FROM THAT IS THE PEOPLE WHO DEVELOPED IT AT THIS POINT.

IF I CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT AT THIS POINT, IT'S ONLY THE DEVELOPERS WHO MADE AMAZING AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THAT.

YOU'RE CORRECT. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AGAIN.

IT WAS VERY PRETTY, VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND I APPRECIATED IT.

BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THE PRESENTATION, LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS WANTING NOT WANTING TO DRIVE TO VARIOUS PLACES.

HOW FAR OUT ARE WE FROM THIS PROJECT? LET'S SAY WE GAVE YOU OUR BLESSING TODAY, AND WE.

IT'S IT'S ROLLING.

WHEN DO YOU THINK THIS NEW CITY HALL FOR $110 MILLION WILL BE BUILT? AND DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE OF CONSTRUCTION?

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SO WE GAVE AN ESTIMATE OF 33 MONTHS FOR THE TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY.

THAT'S FROM TODAY TO WHEN THAT HAPPENS IS THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A TIMELINE THAT I DON'T THAT I CAN'T ESTIMATE.

I CAN ESTIMATE THE CONSTRUCTION BUT NOT THE OTHER BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

OKAY. SO 3 TO 4 TO THE CITY, 3 TO 4 YEARS.

SO IF IT IS A CONCERN OF RESIDENTS THEN MANAGER THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND GOING TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

UNDER THIS OLD CITY HALL THAT IS OUTDATED AND RUSTY AND, AND UNSAFE.

AND I'M QUITE IMPRESSED THAT YOU HAVE ME UNDER A BUILDING THAT IS UNSAFE.

FALLING APART, BUT PRETTY DOWN THE PAINT.

WHY DON'T YOU THEN MOVE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE, CUSTOMER FACING DEPARTMENTS INTO ONE ROOF? BECAUSE THEN THEIR WOES WOULD BE STILL FOR THE NEXT 3 OR 4 YEARS THAT THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE NOT CUSTOMER FACING.

AND SO WHY NOT MOVE THOSE NON CUSTOMER NON-CUSTOMER FACING DEPARTMENTS TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS WHERE WHERE THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO GO TO AND THEN HOUSE ALL OF THE CUSTOMER FACING DEPARTMENTS IN IN THIS ONE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE THE IDEAL SOLUTION.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST CONSTRAINT FOR THAT IS THE THE PHYSICAL ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.

AND SO WE HAVE CUSTOMER SERVICE.

WE HAVE A CASHIER'S OFFICE.

AND AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ZERO SPACE TO ADD THE, THE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

BUT BUT IN ESSENCE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD MOVE HERE AND OTHER BUILDING AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS WOULD MOVE TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

IT'S NOT A MATTER OF SPACE.

IT'S A MATTER OF PROVIDING CONVENIENCE TO THE TO THE RESIDENTS.

WHILE YOU LOOK AT BUILDING THIS NEW $110 MILLION CITY HALL THERE'S ALSO THE ELEMENT OF, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MOVE SOMEBODY OUT, WE WOULD BE SEPARATING DEPARTMENTS AND MANAGEMENT AND, AND OVERSIGHT.

AND THAT'S BEEN THE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES IT'S THE SAME THING, RIGHT.

IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO TO TO DO ANYTHING, OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE OUT OF NECESSITY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE VACATED.

SO THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE ABSORBED AND MOVED SOMEPLACE ELSE.

IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

SO, SO, SO IN TERMS OF, OF MANAGEMENT AND, AND PEOPLE BEING IN, IN DIFFERENT PLACES, THAT'S ALREADY THE STATUS QUO.

IF IT IS THAT WE WANT TO APPEASE THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE COMPLAINING IN THESE HOA MEETINGS.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BEING INCONVENIENCED, THEN YOU SHOULD LOOK AT MOVING AROUND THE CUSTOMER FACING DEPARTMENTS.

IN THE MEANTIME IN THE TIME THAT WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS FOUR YEAR LONG PROJECT TO COME TO FRUITION, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

ABSOLUTELY. SECONDLY, GOING MORE INTENTLY TO THE TO THE PROPOSAL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPERTY SWAP.

SO THE NEW CITY HALL WOULD THEORETICALLY BE AT NOB HILL.

THE PRIVATE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THEN WOULD SPEAK TO THIS PROPERTY THEN BEING SWAPPED FOR FOR THE PROJECT. CORRECT.

SO WHAT I'VE NOT HEARD THEN IS WHAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ON THIS SITE.

AND AS A MATTER OF DISCUSSING THIS ITEM IN A GLOBAL FROM A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE TO ALSO TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO HERE, BECAUSE THEN IF A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BUILD OVER THERE.

THEN THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO MAXIMIZE WHAT THEY NEED HERE.

AND WE'RE WE HEARD ABOUT 4 TO 500 UNITS AT NOB HILL.

A DEVELOPER IS NOT IS NOT STUPID.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HEARD DEVELOPERS COME BEFORE US BEFORE SAYING THAT RESIDENTIAL IS BETTER THAN COMMERCIAL, IT'S MORE PROFITABLE.

SO IT IS JUST THEN LOGICAL TO BELIEVE THEN THAT THIS SITE WOULD BE MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.

CORRECT. SO THEN YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE GLOBAL IMPACT TO THIS SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY.

500 UNITS PLUS CITY HALL PLUS THE BSO, PLUS ALL OF THAT, AND THEN PROBABLY ANOTHER 500 UNITS HERE BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE EQUITABLE.

RIGHT. SO THEN THAT'S 1000 UNITS.

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AND SO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT TWO AND KINGS POINT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? YOU KNOW, MCNAB MCNABB IS ALREADY OVERWHELMED.

COMMERCIAL IS ALREADY OVERWHELMED.

WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? SO IT HAS TO BE A GLOBAL CONVERSATION, NOT JUST SHOWING US A BEAUTIFUL SITE, FOCUSING OUR ATTENTION OVER THERE. AND THEN LOOK OVER THERE, BUT NOT LOOK OVER HERE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO, YOU KNOW, AS A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, BEFORE MAKING AN INFORMED DECISION, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD COME HERE AND HOW THAT BIG GLOBAL IMPACT WOULD LOOK? YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO BASICALLY MAKE A MARKET SO THAT THE DEVELOPERS IN THE DEVELOPER UNIVERSE, THEY WILL TELL US WHAT THEY THINK IS THEY WOULD WANT TO DO WITH, WITH THIS SITE.

THAT WOULD BE WITH INPUT FROM THE CITY AND FROM STAFF AND FROM THE COMMISSION SAYING OVERALL WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THESE THIS MIX OF USES ON THIS SIDE, THIS MIX OF USES ON THIS SIDE AND THAT THAT'LL BE SORT OF THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE GIVE TO PEOPLE IN THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.

THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE END.

THE MARKET'S REALLY GOING TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PRIVATE PART THE PRIVATE GROUPS ARE WILLING TO, TO, TO DO THAT MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE FOR THEM.

IN THE END, IT'LL END UP BEING A DECISION FOR THE COMMISSION, WHETHER WHICH ONE OF THOSE GROUPS OR PROPOSALS YOU'RE GOING TO SELECT BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT A DEVELOPER IS SAYING IN TERMS OF MAYBE THEY'RE THINKING TOO MANY UNITS HERE OR WHATEVER ASPECT OF THEIR PROPOSAL YOU DON'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND IT'LL BE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.

IN THE END, THOUGH, WHATEVER PROJECT OR PARTNER IS PICKED ANY SORT OF PLANS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A MYRIAD OF STUDIES BEFORE IT GETS APPROVED.

THEY'LL HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.

THEY'LL HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE SORT OF DOWN THE ROAD ONCE YOU'VE DECIDED, OKAY, THIS IS THE PARTNER THAT I LIKE.

I LIKE THEIR VISION.

WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE SITES.

I LIKE THE ECONOMICS OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO THE CITY, AND LET'S TRY AND WORK WITH THEM.

SO I DON'T THINK WHAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO END UP BEING PRESENTED WITH A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT TYPE OF A SITUATION.

YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE MAYBE FIVE GROUPS THAT ARE PRESENTING REASONABLE PLANS TO YOU THAT MAKE SENSE FOR YOUR GOALS.

YOU'RE GOING TO PICK ONE TO WORK WITH AND TAKE DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SORT OF A YES OR NO ANSWER AT ANY POINT.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE ON EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF IT.

BUT BUT WE'RE MISSING THAT PIECE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT. WE'RE NOT AT SOME POINT GOING TO TALK TO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE DEVELOPERS ABOUT THIS, THIS SITE.

I'M SAYING THAT THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD NOW AS A PART OF THIS GLOBAL CONVERSATION.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T SPEAK TO A DEVELOPER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT ARE YOU THINKING HERE? SO IT MAKES SENSE FOR BOTH OF US, THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY OVER THERE, THEN WE'RE MISSING THAT COMPONENT WOULD BE MAKING A DECISION FOR THAT SITE, NOT REALIZING THAT THIS SITE WOULD BE IMPACTED.

SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE STARTING POINTS IS TO THEN PUT OUT WHATEVER YOU PUT OUT A, YOU KNOW, RFP.

LET'S LET'S LOOK AT THE IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THIS SITE SO THAT RESIDENTS ARE ALSO INFORMED, BECAUSE THERE ARE ANGRY RESIDENTS ACROSS THE WAY AT THE GOLF COURSE BEHIND US.

THIS SITE WILL IMPACT THEIR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO HERE IN RESPONSE TO OVER THERE OR IN EXCHANGE TO TO ON THAT SIDE.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH.

AND SO WHILE I'M VERY ENTHUSED AND OPTIMISTIC AND VERY HAPPY ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS THAT I WAS ELECTED IN 2016.

AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I DID IN 2016, FIRST DAY, WAS ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO THROW ME ALL OF THE PROJECTS, GIVE ME WHATEVER IS IN THE PIPELINE, GIVE ME THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

I WANT TO SEE EVERY BOOK, EVERY STAFF MEMO, EVERY PLAN, EVERY.

AND AND THEY BROUGHT IT TO MY OFFICE.

AND THAT IS WHY MY OFFICE WAS SO VERY CUMBERSOME.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT I KEPT WAS THIS GRANT PROPOSAL FOR TAMARAC VILLAGE.

AND IN 2013, THIS COMPANY FLOGGING SCOTCH, RIGHT, GAVE US A

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PROJECT PROGRESS REPORT MARCH 31ST, 2013.

HE TALKED ABOUT HOW TAMARAC VILLAGE WOULD HAVE ENTERTAINMENT AND AND COMMERCIAL SPOTS AND AND THEY EVEN MOCKED UP STARBUCKS.

AND FROM EACH POINT THEY, THEY, THEY SAID, OH, THIS PART IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL AND THIS PART IS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

AND, AND, AND, AND HISTORY HAS A LOT TO SAY ABOUT HOW THIS CITY DOES BUSINESS.

AND WHAT I NOTICED THAT THIS CITY DOES IS WAIT UNTIL THERE ARE NEW COMMISSIONERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY, AND THEN YOU PRESENT AN IDEA, MAKE THEM EXCITED, DO THAT IDEA, AND THEN DOWN THE LINE, ALL THESE PROBLEMS WHERE THEIR UGLY HEAD AND THEN THEY AND THEN WE, THE FUTURE COMMISSION, LOOK LIKE IDIOTS BECAUSE THEN WE PAY $2 MILLION TO DEBT SERVICE.

$1 MILLION MISTAKE THAT WE WE SHOULDN'T DO.

I YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS.

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND I HEAR THESE PROPOSALS AND, AND THE REASON WHY I'M VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THESE PROPOSALS, TOO, AND THESE STUDIES IS BECAUSE THEY PAD THE POCKETS OF, OF THESE PEOPLE WHO DO THE STUDIES.

AND OVER TIME, IF, IF, IF WE'RE SMART ENOUGH, WE JUST ASK HISTORICALLY, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT ON STUDIES AND COMPANIES DOING CONSULTING AND STUDIES AND TRAFFIC STUDIES AND ENGINEERING? AND THIS IS A GRAND IDEA.

I CAN TELL YOU IT'S IN THE MILLIONS.

IF WE HAD SAVED THOSE, THAT MONEY FOR STUDIES WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SAVED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE CITY HALL TODAY.

SO IT IS NOT A JAB OR ATTACK ON YOU? IT IS NOT.

IT IS ABOUT HOW THIS CITY HAS DONE BUSINESS SINCE 2013.

AS EVIDENCED BY ALL OF THE EVIDENCE THAT I KEEP IN MY OFFICE, AND I'LL BE KEEPING YOUR PRESENTATION IN MY OFFICE FOR TEN YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN MOST OF US, PROBABLY ALL OF US, WON'T BE HERE.

AND I'LL WALK INTO THIS ROOM WITHOUT POWER.

LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, PATTY LYNN IS SITTING DOWN, AND I WILL WAIVE THESE PRESENTATIONS AND SAY, TEN YEARS AGO YOU PROMISED THIS AND IT HAS NOT COME TO FRUITION.

I'M STILL OPTIMISTIC.

I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED A CITY HALL.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A NEW CITY HALL BUILT IN THREE YEARS, BUT WE HAVE TO APPROACH IT IN A WAY WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYBODY AND MAKES SENSE FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND AND WITH THAT, WHAT IS YOUR ROLE GOING FORWARD? ARE WE TIED TO YOU AS A COMPANY? ARE YOU GOING TO BE DOING ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS AND IN THE PULLING THINGS TOGETHER.

AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR.

WELL, WE ARE WE ARE JUST ADVISORS.

AND SO ANY OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANYTHING FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE COULDN'T EXPLAIN WHAT SPECIFICALLY OUR ROLE WOULD BE GOING FORWARD.

BUT IF I MAY, ON COMMISSIONER, THIS CONCLUDES THE ROLE OF COLLIER IN TERMS OF THIS TASK.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE END OF THAT TASK AUTHORIZATION.

I PREFER THESE FACES.

OKAY. SO I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT YOU GUYS TO GO AWAY.

IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE.

YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I PREFER THESE FACES.

I WOULD LOVE TO. YEAH.

AND I ALSO LIKE YOUR ACCENT.

WHERE ARE YOU FROM? TRINIDAD.

YEAH. SO I WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU MORE.

ABSOLUTELY. TRINIDADIANS ON THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S AN INSIDE JOKE FOR ME.

AND YEAH.

SO SO ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OR THAT SORT OF STUFF.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT I PREFER THESE FACES THAT ARE.

AND IT'S MORE WARM, AND IT'S.

AND IT'S I BELIEVE IT MORE SO, YOU KNOW, I'M.

I'M UP FOR THE CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT JUST NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE, YOU KNOW, THE END OF THE PRESENTATION SAYS, OKAY, LET'S GET CONSENSUS ABOUT DIT DIT DIT DIT DIT DIT DIT.

TWO FAST, TWO FAST.

WE'RE GOING TOO FAST.

SO THAT'S ALL.

DID YOU WANT TO FINISH ANSWERING THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF YOU, BUT DIDN'T GET TO COME TO YOU TO FINISH, OR YOU JUST WANT TO? OH, I THINK WE'RE OKAY.

I MEAN, WE WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH LEVENT AND MAXINE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, AND WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO WORK AND WE ENJOY THE PARTNERSHIP, BUT ALL OF OUR WORK IS DONE ON A SUCCESS FEE BASIS, SO WE DON'T GET PAID UNLESS WE BRING A PROPOSAL THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE.

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AND AND THAT'S APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.

THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY.

CLARIFICATION AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

AND I WAS EXCITED ABOUT YOUR PICTURE.

AND NOT TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER.

YOU MENTIONED THE THE MARKET PROJECT, AND I HAPPENED TO LOOK AT THAT PROJECT BEFORE WE START THIS, THIS, THIS MEETING.

AND I STARTED TO USE THE SAME PICTURE FROM MARGATE.

SO I KNOW IT IS.

I WAS ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS UNIQUE TO TO TO NOB HILL.

IT'S PART OF MY DISTRICT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S A COOKIE CUTTER PICTURE THAT CAME FROM ALL THE PRESENTATIONS.

SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST JUST I SAW THAT AND I SAW IT IN MARGATE.

THEY ALSO HAD A RELATED GROUP AS A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER AND BROOKFIELD.

AND BROOKFIELD. OKAY.

STARTING AT THAT POINT, WHY WAS THAT PROJECT DIFFERENT? WHAT? WHAT STAGE ARE THEY AT? THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN US.

WHY? THEY WOULD HAVE DEVELOPERS AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED.

GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER BOLTON POINT GLOBALLY AND HOLISTICALLY, LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PROJECT, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU PUT A LOT MORE WORK INTO FIGURING OUT HOW MARKET WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. STATE ROAD SEVEN AND THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE.

BUT FOR THIS PROJECT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, OKAY, WE JUST COME AND WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A CITY HALL.

AND WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE DYNAMICS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ALL THAT STUFF, JUST JUST TOOK A CURIOSITY LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT.

THIS IS THE VERY FIRST STEP FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

YEAH, FOR THE CITY OF MARGATE.

WE ARE VERY FAR, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE LINE.

WE HAD MET WITH ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS, ONE ON ONES, TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THEY WANTED FOR THE CITY OF MARGATE.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.

THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST INITIAL STEP.

SO WE DID THAT.

WE MET WITH RESIDENTS TO SEE WHAT THEY WANTED FOR A NEW MARGATE CITY CENTER.

WE WENT OUT WITH AN RFP TO THE DEVELOPERS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WANTS RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL.

A NEW CITY HALL, A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND WE KIND OF LEFT IT BROAD AND LET THE DEVELOPERS COME TO US WITH THEIR IDEAS.

MAKES SENSE. AND THAT'S WHAT YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO I FIGURE YOU WERE YOU WERE FURTHER ALONG IN THE STUDY.

YEAH. IN TERMS OF THE CITY HALLS, IF YOU LOOK AT CORAL SPRINGS AND SUNRISE, THEY BUILT THEIR CITY HALLS AS ISOLATED LOCATIONS.

SUNRISE SPENT 73 MILLION ON THEIR CITY HALL.

AND ANOTHER, LIKE, 30 SOMETHING MILLION BASED ON THE SUN SENTINEL AND THEIR POLICE COMPLEX.

WHY IS THERE CHANGE NOW IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING CITY HALLS WITH THE MIXED USE? IS IT TO MITIGATE THE COST? WHY HAS THAT CHANGE HAPPENED IN THE INDUSTRY FROM THE SEPARATED CITY HALL LIKE LAUDERHILL AND SUNRISE AND THESE PLACES WHERE NOW MARGATE IS TAKING THE SAME PATH, AND WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE SAME PATH. WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT? IS IT TO MITIGATE THE COST OF OF THE DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, IT IS. IT'S TO REDUCE THE FUNDING REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS TO DO.

I MEAN, THERE'S ONE WAY YOU CAN JUST FLOAT A BOND, GET THE MONEY AND DO IT YOURSELF, OR YOU CAN GET A DEVELOPER TO DO IT FOR YOU, IN WHICH CASE YOU DON'T NEED TO GO AND, YOU KNOW, BURDEN THE EXISTING RESIDENTS IN THE UPFRONT.

SO THIS IS A NEW TREND TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE RESIDENTS.

YEAH. AND ENTICE THE DEVELOPERS A PART OF NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WITH THE WHOLE LIVE, WORK, INVEST TYPE, YOU KNOW, THING THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN WITHIN THE CITIES.

A LOT OF CITIES VIEW IT AS A WIN WIN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF ADDITIONAL INCREMENTAL TAX REVENUE BY BRINGING NEW RESIDENTS AND NEW BUSINESSES INTO THE AREA BECAUSE OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

IT ALSO HELPS THE CITIES POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE UPFRONT EXPENDITURE THAT THEY HAVE TO COMMIT TO.

PART OF THE PART OF IT IS THAT IF YOU WERE TO GO AND TRY AND BUILD A CITY HALL ON YOUR OWN, LET'S JUST SAY YOU EARMARKED SOME LAND AND YOU STARTED TO TAKE SOME BIDS.

ALL OF THOSE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE MAKING BIDS ARE GOING TO TRY AND MAKE MONEY FROM BUILDING THAT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A PROFIT ON WHATEVER STRUCTURE THEY BUILD FOR YOU.

THE IDEA OF INCORPORATING THEM IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET SOME COST SAVINGS THROUGH ECONOMIES OF SCALE, BECAUSE DEVELOPERS ARE ALREADY BUILDING OTHER STUFF ON THE SITE. A LOT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD, SOME OF THE OTHER SOFT COSTS ARE GOING TO BE REDUCED, AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE OVERALL TOP LINE NUMBER THAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO BUILD THAT STRUCTURE.

OKAY. AND IN TERMS OF THE COLLIERS, I KNOW YOU GUYS ALSO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS.

DO YOU BENEFIT ON THE OTHER END IN RECRUITING DEVELOPERS WHEN YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THESE PROJECTS? BUT YOU DO WORK WITH SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS IN THE REAL ESTATE ARM OF YOUR BUSINESS? WELL, OUR TEAM SPECIFICALLY, WE DO NOT REPRESENT NOT YOU, BUT THE COMPANY COLLIERS, YOU KNOW, LIKE GOLDMAN SACHS, THEY HAVE INVESTMENT ARMS. THEY HAVE A TRADING ARM. DO YOU HAVE A PART OF IT THAT REPRESENTS THESE DEVELOPERS THAT WILL COME TO PRESENT IN FRONT OF US? NO. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY WHAT.

OKAY. JUST BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WORK WITH REAL ESTATE AS WELL.

I KNOW YOU WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AND RECRUITING BECAUSE YOU WERE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN HELPING US RECRUIT A DEVELOPER FOR THE TAMARAC VILLAGE LINE.

SO I'M JUST A CURIOSITY FOR YOU GUYS.

WE WERE WORKING ON YOUR BEHALF.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. JUST JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, COLLIERS HAS RELATIONSHIPS, YOU KNOW, WITH THEM.

BUT WE WORK ON OUR CLIENT'S BEHALF.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR FOR FOR FOR THE FOR THE LAYPERSON.

CITY MANAGER, GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER PATTERSON'S QUESTIONS.

STAFF, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE STAFF.

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THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF CROWDED.

BUT IN THIS ERA OF WORK, SOMETIMES I COME ON FRIDAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER FRIDAY STAFF GET TIME OFF.

HAVE WE KIND OF DONE THE RESEARCH AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS? AND DO WE ACTUALLY NEED MORE SPACE IN THE WORK FROM HOME ERA IN THE TIME WHERE JAMIE DIMON, THE PRESIDENT OF CHASE BANK, IS SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THREE DAYS OF WORK? YOU KNOW, IS IT IS IT MANDATORY THAT WE NEED MORE BUILDING SPACE OR WE NEED TO BE MORE CREATIVE IN THE SPACE THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT 40 YEARS BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS WAS FROM HERE, FROM THE 70S BEFORE A LOT OF US WERE BORN.

AND AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS, WE'RE THINKING 50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

SO IN THIS ERA OF WORK FROM HOME IN THIS ERA OF LESS DAYS OF WORK.

HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE STAFFING LEVELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WAS THAT PUT INTO CONSIDERATION? ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS STUDY WAS ACTUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH FUNCTIONAL GROUP AND THEIR NEEDS FOR SPACE.

AND THEN THEY, I BELIEVE, CAN HAS BEEN THE ARCHITECT OF THAT CONVERSATION AND THEN FIGURE OUT ALL THE JOINT SPACES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLICATE.

AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT SPACE AS ONE INDIVIDUAL, ONE OFFICE, ONE INDIVIDUAL, ONE OFFICE.

BUT THIS THIS CONVERSATION THROUGH COLLIER, THROUGH THE STUDY WAS TO IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT THE NEW MODERN WORK ENVIRONMENT CAN, CAN BRING IN TERMS OF SPACE NEEDS AND HOW WE CAN REDUCE THAT FOOTPRINT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AS A RESULT OF THIS STUDY.

SO IN A MODERN WORK ENVIRONMENT, IN THE MODERN WORLD, LIVING MORE TRAFFIC, MORE PEOPLE IN A CITY THAT'S, THAT'S THAT GOES FROM THE SAWGRASS AND ALMOST TO THE 95.

OR IT'S IN MY DISTRICT, IT'S GOING TO BE LOVELY AND LOOKS GOOD.

IT'S 100 MILLION DROP IN A SPECIFIC DISTRICT.

BUT DID WE THINK OF, LIKE, NOT INVESTING PERHAPS SO MUCH MONEY? WE DO NEED A NEW CITY HALL. I DO AGREE, BUT LOOKING AT ALSO HAVING ADDITIONAL SERVICE ON THE EAST SIDE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVES ON THE EAST SIDE, PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THAT, THAT THAT PART OF THE CITY WHERE WE CAN SAY, LET'S DISPERSE, WHERE THE SERVICE OPERATOR I GET YOU WANT TO CONSOLIDATE THE BIG DEPARTMENTS, THE MANAGEMENT IN THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT ABOUT SERVICES FOR THE EVERYDAY RESIDENTS WHO WHO CAN'T COMMUTE? THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING FURTHER WEST.

HAVE HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT AN IDEA ALONG THAT LINE? WE HAVE. AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS TO ESTABLISH A SATELLITE OFFICE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY FOR BASIC SERVICES LIKE THE WATER BILL, UTILITY BILLS AND, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER TYPES OF SERVICES, BUT.

YES, SIR. AND AND BUT BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THE REASON THAT WE'RE YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS LOCATION AND THE KNOB HILL LOCATION IS FOR THE AVAILABILITY OF THE CITY OWNED LAND.

AND SO THAT'S THE THE BIGGEST DRIVING FACTOR FOR CONSIDERING THESE SERVICES.

AND SO YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC OR THE DRIVE TIME FROM ONE END OF THE CITY TO THE OTHER END OF THE CITY IS, OF COURSE, A CONCERN, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF AVAILABILITY OF, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF LAND FOR, FOR, FOR THESE PROJECTS.

SAVINGS IN TERMS OF OFFICE CONSOLIDATION.

DO YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO SAVE CONSOLIDATING THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS? I BELIEVE SOME OF THAT WAS PART OF THE STUDY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THERE.

LIKE HOW MANY, HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO SAVE IN TERMS OF CONSOLIDATING ALL THESE DIFFERENT OFFICES THAT WE HAVE DISPERSED? RIGHT. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT.

I DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT IN THERE.

I'M NOT SURE. KEN, CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT? YOU'RE NOT THAT FACES YET WELL, YEAH.

I MEAN, THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO GET FURTHER AND FURTHER REFINED AS WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS.

BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, I THINK I MENTIONED THERE WAS OVER 30,000FT² DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OFFICES THAT YOU'RE OCCUPYING NOW AND THE PROPOSED NEW SPACE.

OKAY. AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO DOCTOR DANIELS QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF COSTS 13 TO 15 MILLION PER YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING IN TERMS OF REVENUES FROM THE NEW BUILDINGS.

YEAH. TAX REVENUES.

AND THIS IS TAX REVENUES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BRING THE TAX REVENUE.

SO IT'S BASICALLY A DEVELOPMENT OR JUST DROPPING A CITY HALL IN THERE.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS.

AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID TO MITIGATE COSTS IN THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

AND THEN THE TAX REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL 13 TO 15 MILLION.

SO IF WE. SO IF WE GOD FORBID, WE DON'T EVEN BUILD A CITY HALL AND WE BUILD IT, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT ON THAT LOCATION.

WE WOULD STILL GET THIS REVENUE, WOULDN'T WE? THE IN TERMS OF THE IN TERMS OF THE 13 TO 15 MILLION AND THAT'S PER YEAR.

SO IF YOU DID THAT OVER 30 YEARS, IF MY MATH RIGHT THREE TIMES 15 IS 45.

SO THAT'S 450 MILLION.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 450 MILLION.

IF I DO A MATH OVER, OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD IN TERMS OF TAXES FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT. AND WE'RE SPENDING 110.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD RETURN.

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WARREN BUFFETT WOULD WOULD BE IMPRESSED WITH THAT WOULDN'T HE? IT'S IT'S GOOD. YEAH.

OKAY OKAY. JUST JUST JUST IN TERMS OF DOING MY NUMBERS AND THE MATH IN, IN THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

AND MY OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD BECAUSE.

YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE, YEAH.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO FINANCE THE CITY HALL, IF YOU SAY, FOR INSTANCE, YOU GET A LOAN, YOU FINANCE THE CITY HALL OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD, 100 MILLION DIVIDED BY 30.

YOU MAKE YOUR PAYMENT AND THEN YOU MAKE 450 MILLION ON THE TAXES.

SO THAT'S LIKE THREE TIMES YOUR PROFIT.

IT WOULD CLEARLY BE SELF-FUNDING, YOU KNOW, FOR IF YOU CONSIDER IT A MORTGAGE PAYMENT.

THE REVENUES FROM, FROM YOU KNOW TAXES WOULD DEFINITELY PAY FOR THAT.

AND WOULD THIS ALSO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX, THE BSL BSL WOULD MOVE TO THE NEW LOCATION STATION? FIRE STATION WOULD REMAIN WHERE IT'S AT TODAY.

SO BSL WOULD GET A NICE BRAND NEW OFFICE.

MODERN THINGS. CAPTAIN COOPER IS GONNA HAVE A NICE OFFICE OVERLOOKING SAWGRASS AND SEEING THE SUNSET.

CORRECT. SO IT'S IT INCLUDES CITY HALL AND A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX.

NO, I WOULDN'T SAY PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX, BUT BUT FOR BSO, BSO SUBSTATION FOR FOR BSO TO HAVE MORE OFFICE SPACE THAN THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT THEY'RE LOCATED.

CORRECT. NO, I JUST WANTED I ASKED THAT BECAUSE OUR SUNRISE DID THE CITY HALL FOR 73 MILLION, AND THEN THEY BUILT A POLICE HEADQUARTERS FOR 33 MILLION.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES TO SEE BASED ON COST, TIME AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF TO MAKE SURE THAT MY NUMBERS ARE KIND OF CORRELATED.

RIGHT? SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING BOTH OF THOSE IN ONE.

IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT IT THOSE ARE BASICALLY MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR FIRST TIME PRESENTATION.

NOW YOU KNOW, TAMARAC WORKS.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO COME WITH A PICTURE THAT'S UNIQUE FOR TAMARAC.

YEAH, THAT'S UNIQUE TO THE COMMUNITY IN THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.

AND YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING MORE INFORMATION.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, DID YOU WERE YOU FLIPPED AGAIN? GO AHEAD. YEAH. THANK YOU.

I GUESS A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MOST ARE CONCERNED WITH THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO EVERY PROJECT THAT WILL BE PRESENTED.

THAT'S A NATURAL.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NATURAL.

I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AND I REFERENCED BEING NEW HERE ON THE BOARD, I THINK THERE IS SOME CONSIDERATION THAT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO PAST PRACTICE.

AND I DO THINK THAT THAT'S VALID IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF HOW WE'VE DONE INVESTMENTS IN THE PAST AND WHERE THE CHALLENGES LIE.

I KNOW THE MAYOR MADE MENTION TO SOME LESSONS LEARNED.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK TO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE I UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF COLLIERS AND YOUR YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY.

I GUESS IT'S MORE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE NOT REPRESENTING US IN IN THE EVENT THAT THE COMMISSION WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU ALL WOULDN'T BE REPRESENTING US IN THIS TRANSACTION, WOULD YOU? IS THAT OKAY? YES. SO THE NATURE OF YOUR BUSINESS IS AN INVESTMENT.

REAL ESTATE. WHAT EXACTLY? WE'RE HELPERS.

SO. OKAY. COMMERCIAL BROKERS.

WE HAVE INVESTMENT SALES BROKERS.

SO OUR GOAL IS TO GO OUT THERE AND FIND DEVELOPERS THAT WILL MAKE PROPOSALS.

IN ORDER TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE WOULD GET A FEE FROM FINDING SUCCESSFULLY FINDING SOMEBODY THAT YOU GUYS SELECT AS THAT DEVELOPER.

SO MAKING, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE TAMARAC VILLAGE ISSUE, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A TIME OR TWO.

YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO BEING ELECTED, I SAT IN THE AUDIENCE AND LISTENED IN ON CONVERSATIONS REPEATEDLY ABOUT THAT ISSUE.

YOU KNOW, ABOUT THAT PROJECT.

WHILE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES.

AND EARLIER, WHEN I ASKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY HAS DONE A P3, THAT PROJECT WAS REFERENCED.

AND SO WHILE WE SAY THAT THE P3 IS A GREAT OPTION, IT COULD POTENTIALLY PUT US IN A POSITION TO COME OUT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURE FOR THE FOR THIS NEW PROPOSED PROJECT.

MY QUESTION IS I MEAN, PERHAPS WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A CLOSED DOOR CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT I AM INTERESTED TO KNOW WHY THAT PROJECT WAS NOT AS SUCCESSFUL.

AND MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO A LOT OF THE PARTICULARS, BUT MAYBE THIS ONE QUESTION COULD HELP ME OUT.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE BUDGET MANAGER FROM THAT SITE? THE IMPACT IS OUR CARRYING COST FOR THAT, FOR THAT LAND IS JUST THIS YEAR WENT UP TO ABOUT 2 MILLION, $2.4 MILLION FOR, FOR OUR EXISTING LOAN BALANCE OF ABOUT $60 MILLION, $60 MILLION WE STILL OWE ON THAT PROPERTY.

SO THE CITY ACQUIRED ALL THOSE PROPERTIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPING A DOWNTOWN TAMARAC OR TOWN CENTER.

TAMARAC. AND SO WHEN WE HAD THIS PROJECT, INSTEAD OF WHAT WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT IT PROVIDED

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THE 99 YEAR LEASE WITH NO MANDATORY TIMELINE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO BUY THE PROPERTY FROM US.

AND SO WE'RE STILL CARRYING THE, THE ORIGINAL LOAN AND, AND SOME OTHER EXPENSES ALL THIS TIME FOR THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY THAT IS IS THE THAT'S NOT A NORM OR THAT'S NOT A SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN TODAY WITH THE WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY.

SO WAS THAT A NEGOTIATION ERROR THAT WE MADE WHERE WHERE DID BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE IS NO POSITIVE REVENUE IMPACTING OUR BUDGET FROM THAT SITE. CORRECT? I OBVIOUSLY I DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW, SECOND GUESS THE THE METHODOLOGY OF NEGOTIATION BACK THEN, BUT THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT AT CERTAIN TIME THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUY THE, THE LAND FROM US.

AND SO WE WE REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THEIR CONTRACT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME TIMES THAT THEY MAY BE MANDATED, WHICH IS IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME THEY'RE MANDATED TO BUY THE THE LAND FROM US.

THAT'S THE ONLY DRIVER FOR THAT LAND TO BE SOLD.

AT SOME POINT, I BELIEVE THAT LAND WILL BE SOLD AND WE WILL BE MADE WHOLE FOR THE FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE SPEND ON, ON COLLECTING THAT LAND.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TODAY, THERE'S NOTHING PUSHING THEM ON TO THAT.

OKAY. AND THEN IS THIS THE SAME, IS THAT THE SAME FOR COLONY WEST? COLONY WEST IS NOT THE SAME.

SO COLONY WEST.

WE WE ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED A LITTLE BIT MORE PARTNERSHIP.

WE WERE GOING TO SELL THE LAND AT MARKET VALUE, AND THEN THEY WERE GOING TO HELP US BUILD THE COMMUNITY, THE COLONY WEST AND THEIR HOTEL AT THE SAME TIME.

BUT YOU KNOW, SHORTLY AFTER WE STARTED THAT CONVERSATION, WE REALIZED THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO WORK OUT THAT PARTNERSHIP.

AND SO WE CUT OUR TIES AND WE CONTINUE DEVELOPMENT ON OUR OWN, CONSTRUCTION ON OUR OWN.

WE STILL SHARED SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LANDSCAPING AND THE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS AND THE PARKING LOT DEVELOPMENT AND SOME OTHER COMMON ELEMENTS. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT'S BEEN A DIRECT WE CAN CONSIDER THAT A DIRECT, STRAIGHT SALE OF LAND SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD A HOTEL.

AND WE BUILT OUR OWN COMMUNITY CENTER OR GOLF CLUB.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WHILE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IS GREAT.

I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SMART DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT WE ALL WANT TO SEE.

I JUST DO SHARE THE SENTIMENT OF SOME OF THE BOARD IN TERMS OF OR, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD AT LARGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 100 MILLION PLUS DOLLARS, AND SO THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ERROR.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, AN ERROR IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING.

MULTIPLE ERRORS IS YOU KNOW, IS IS.

JUST NOT CONCEIVABLE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OBVIOUSLY THE PRESENTATION WHILE I AGREE, I AGREE, WHILE IT'S NICE, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE CONTEXT THAT'S NECESSARY IN ORDER, MORE DATA IS NEEDED.

I'LL SAY ALSO, THOUGH YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR OUR DEMOGRAPHIC HERE IN THE CITY IS QUITE MIXED AND PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN, IN SEEING MORE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CENTER AND RESTAURANTS.

AND I WILL SAY GLOBALLY IN MY DISTRICT, I DON'T CARE THE AGE RANGE, EVERYONE I SPOKE TO WHILE I WAS CAMPAIGNING WAS VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE IN OUR CITY.

SO I YOU KNOW, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION FOR SURE.

I THINK THAT BUT I ALSO HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST SOME OTHER OPTIONS JUST FOR CONSIDERATION.

I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, HAD WE CONSIDERED SOME OF THESE THINGS, THIS SITE HERE, DID WE CONSIDER MAYBE EXPANDING THIS SITE AND YOU KNOW, USING THIS SITE AS A, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO USE THIS AS CITY HALL, BUT JUST EXPANDING IT TO INCLUDE NOT TO INCLUDE THE COMMERCIAL SPACES AND THE MIXED USE, BUT JUST MAKING THIS THE THE CENTRAL PLAZA AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS FOR PARKING, A NEW PARKING GARAGE AND THE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR ACCOMMODATING ALL THE OTHER SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE, THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE WAY UP THERE.

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YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.

SO THOSE ARE ALL POSSIBILITIES.

BUT THEN AGAIN, THE COST IS GOING TO BE SIMILARLY UP THERE.

OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT RENOVATION COSTS, BUT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS BECAUSE, I MEAN, I BELIEVE WHAT I SAW WAS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT DENSITY IN THIS ON THIS PARCEL IS, I MEAN, SO POTENTIALLY YOU COULD PUT A PARKING GARAGE ON TOP OF THE FACILITY AND EXPAND THE SPACE OR I MEAN, THERE ARE DESIGN OPTIONS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER WE EXPLORED THAT AND WHAT THE COST AROUND THAT WOULD BE COMPARED, COMPARABLE TO THE TWO OPTIONS PROPOSED.

WELL, WE PROPOSED THREE, BUT THE TWO OPTIONS PROPOSED, YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY I'M ANSWERING THIS FROM A FROM A GENERAL PERSPECTIVE, NOT CONSIDERING THE ARCHITECTURAL OR ENGINEERING, BUT THIS BUILDING, I BELIEVE, IS IS IT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, GOING UP. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL SPACE IN A WAY, EITHER THROUGH STRENGTHENING THIS BUILDING OR ADDING ANOTHER PARTS AND PIECES AND ADDING ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD COST, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT AND WITH THE PROJECTION.

SO AND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, I WOULD THE PROJECTION ON COST CHANGE IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER JUST DOING COMMERCIAL AS OPPOSED TO THE MIXED USE UNIT OR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. I MEAN, IF THAT WERE JUST MAYBE LIKE A WHAT'S THAT? NEXT TO MARGATE, WAS THE CITY OVER THERE NOT COOPER CITY, BUT COCONUT CREEK.

COCONUT CREEK PROMENADE.

RIGHT. SO IT'S A ONE LEVEL PLAZA, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL NOW AND ARE POTENTIALLY BUILDING SOME MULTIFAMILY ON THAT AS WELL.

YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE FOR US FOR, FOR STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL IS IS I WANT TO SAY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS OUR DEMOGRAPHICS.

AND WHEN I SAY DEMOGRAPHICS, OUR MEDIAN INCOME LEVELS.

AND SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE COMMERCIAL ENTITIES LOOK AT BRING IN BUSINESS TO ANY LOCATION, I BELIEVE THEY LOOK AT A RADIUS AND THE AVAILABLE DISPOSABLE INCOME AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE CHARACTERISTICS AND, AND MAKE THEIR DECISIONS THAT WAY.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A CHEESECAKE FACTORY AT EVERY CORNER IN BROWARD COUNTY.

AND BECAUSE THEY ALSO LOOK AT YOU KNOW SATURATION OF THE MARKET WITH THEIR PRESENCE AND, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE DISPOSABLE INCOME. THERE ARE MANY METRICS THAT THEY LOOK AT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THOSE METRICS ARE NOT BEING MET.

TODAY'S TODAY'S NUMBERS IN THE CITY.

AND THAT'S WHY THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT HELPS WITH BRINGING, YOU KNOW, OR ELEVATING SOME OF TAMARAC'S METRICS TO THOSE LEVELS TO ATTRACT THE KIND OF NATIONAL RETAILERS OR ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS.

THANK YOU. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING JUST THE OPTION BEING EXPLORED OF THIS SITE BEING REDEVELOPED.

YOU'RE HEARD. JUST A QUICK THING.

JUST KEEPING STUFF.

THERE'S A LOT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LEARN IN TEN MINUTES.

THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON. BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TAMARAC VILLAGE WASN'T SUCCEEDING ON THE SECOND PARCEL THAT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT YET IS BECAUSE COMMERCIAL ONLY WASN'T HAPPENING, DESPITE THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN TRIED FOR YEARS TO DO SO, WHICH IS WHY I CAME BACK AND TURNED INTO A MIXED USE.

AND THEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE THE ONLY SITE REDEVELOPED IN THE FIRST TIME IT CAME TO US, BUT NOT TO SAY THAT THEY SHOULDN'T GO THROUGH I'M SURE WE'LL GET CONSENSUS FOR THAT AS WE GO THROUGH FOR THE CONSENSUS PART.

COMMISSIONER. DANIEL, YOU WERE DONE.

MR.. DANIEL. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND I'M TRYING NOT TO GET LOST IN THE BEAUTY OF IT, BUT I THINK COMMERCIAL RETAIL USE WILL STILL BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU COULD JUST GO TO SAWGRASS ON THE NEXT EXIT, BUT BECAUSE THIS LOCATION IS BY THE SAWGRASS.

SO WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN RETAIL USE AT TAMARAC VILLAGE.

AND THIS IS MY THIRD YEAR.

THERE'S STILL NO RETAIL USE, SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S A SHOT.

IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

I HATE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT, BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED.

IT'S NOT HAPPENING. IT'S ON THE CONTRACT.

OKAY, WELL, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

AND I DROVE BY A COMMERCIAL YESTERDAY.

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IT'S NOT THERE. IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

AND WE. IT WENT FROM THIS BIG PLAN, WHICH I WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION TO.

NOW WE HAVE ONE RESTAURANT, RIGHT, WHICH IS SMALL, ACCORDING TO THE COMMISSIONER RIGHT HERE.

I THINK IT'S OKAY INSIDE, BUT IT'S STILL EMPTY.

THERE'S BEEN NO FUN STUFF.

ACTIVITIES HAPPENING THERE.

THERE'S NOTHING. THERE'S.

IN FACT, WE NEED TO FIX IT UP TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD AND NOT BECOME AN EYESORE.

THAT BEING SAID, I THINK COMMISSIONER WRIGHT SAID THAT OVER 30 YEARS, IT'S 400 MILLION.

WELL OVER 30 YEARS. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A NEW ROOF, WHICH WITH INFLATION IS GOING TO COST MORE THAN THE 113 MILLION YOU HAVE FOR TODAY.

SO THAT 400 MILLION IS SHOT.

NOT ONLY THAT, THE COST OF OPERATING IN 30 YEARS WILL BE UP SO THAT 13 MILLION COMING IN TAXES.

GUESS WHAT IT'S GOING TO PAY FOR WORKERS.

POLICE. FIRE.

WATER. OUR WATER BILL JUST WENT UP, BY THE WAY.

IT'S GOING TO. SO THERE'S NO MONEY.

LET'S NOT PLAY GAMES.

THERE'S NO I DON'T THINK WARREN BUFFETT WOULD BE HAPPY.

NO, THERE'S NO MONEY. THAT MONEY WILL BE PUT BACK INTO MAINTAINING THAT BUILDING AND MAINTAINING THE LIFESTYLE WE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO IN TAMARAC.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO COUNT THAT.

SO HOW IS THIS GOING TO BRING IN MONEY THAT IS EXCESSIVE? HOW IS IT GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF? I DON'T SEE THAT.

I WOULD LOVE IT.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A NEW HOME.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A NEW CITY HALL.

WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM AND WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM TO MAINTAIN THE ROOF IN 20 YEARS WHEN YOU NEED A ROOF AGAIN? I MEAN, THESE ARE FACTS THAT NO ONE IS ANSWERING.

SO I THINK THE PLAN NEEDS TO BE BETTER WITH ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TRICKED.

TRICKED AGAIN, RIGHT? WE'VE BEEN TRICKED BEFORE. NOT ME PERSONALLY, BUT THE CITY HAS.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DOING TRICKERY AGAIN.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR THE OPTIMISM, BUT I THINK IT'S LACKING IN AS FAR AS HOW IS THIS GOING TO GET PAID? AND THE RESIDENTS, AT LEAST IN DISTRICT FOUR, WHERE WE PAID THE MAJORITY OF THE TAXES IN TAMARAC, WE DO NOT WANT HIGHER TAXES.

WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY A BILL FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EVEN IN OUR DISTRICT.

AND LET'S TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC.

THE THE RESIDENTS HERE COMPLAIN ABOUT TRAFFIC NONSTOP.

I THINK COMMISSIONER BOLTON SAID AN ADDITIONAL 500 UNITS HERE.

NO, THIS SAID 800.

AND I WAS THINKING 800 IS TOO SMALL.

IF IT'S 14.

ACREAGE. AND THE OTHER PLACE IS 27.

ARE YOU GETTING FIVE DEER? ARE YOU ONLY GETTING EIGHT HERE WHEN YOU GET IN CITY HALL AND ALL THESE OTHER STUFF? SO UNLESS THE PLAN HAS REAL TARGETED PEOPLE COMING IN AND THE CITY IS MAKING MONEY AND, HEY, GIVE THE RESIDENTS A TAX CUT.

HOW ABOUT THAT? THEN I THINK IT'S USELESS FOR US.

AND I LOVE REDEVELOPMENT.

I WILL BE ALL IN, BUT I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT FOR US AS RESIDENTS.

SO GO AHEAD, MAYOR.

ARE YOU TRYING TO FINISH IT UP? NO, NO, I WAS JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE SOME.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF THIS CONVERSATION.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT WATER PROJECT.

NO WATER PROJECT.

WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? WE'RE NOT EVEN DONE.

WE GOT THE PEOPLE OUT EAST ARE PAYING WAY MORE WATER BILL.

WE NEED TO FIX THAT PROJECT THAT I THINK COSTS LIKE 80,000, 80 MILLION.

WHAT AM I SAYING, 80 MILLION THAT WE HAVEN'T PAID FOR YET? NO NO, NO. HOW MUCH IS IT? EIGHT. WHAT IS IT? IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 13, 13, 14 MILLION.

13, 14 MILLION. 13.

14 MILLION. NOW YOU ADD THANK YOU.

I'M GLAD. BUT HEY, NOW YOU ADD ADDITIONAL STRESS ON THAT RESOURCE.

THAT'S MORE MONEY.

AND WE HAVE NOT PAID FOR ANY OF THIS YET.

AND I THINK WATER IS IMPORTANT.

ABSOLUTELY. UTILITY.

THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ON THEIR WAY THROUGH UTILITY FUNDS.

BUT YOU KNOW IN UTILITY FUNDS RIGHT.

SO FOR TODAY WE'RE AT THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF THIS CONVERSATION.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY CLEARLY WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ELEMENTS TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THE ON ON ON THE ON THE PROJECT. BUT AT THIS POINT OUR ASK FROM YOU TODAY IS, IS TO PROVIDE A DIRECTION FOR US, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD OR, YOU KNOW, STAY AS IS.

OBVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER PATTERSON ASKED FOR SOME INFORMATION FOR FOR FOR ANOTHER POSSIBILITY.

WE CAN DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN THAT.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE PURSUE THIS, THIS CONVERSATION, THIS IDEA, THIS, THIS DIRECTION, OR IS THIS THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION? UNDERSTOOD. AND I WILL MAKE MY COMMENTS AFTER COMMISSIONER BOLTON HAS JUST FLIPPED HIS CARD, AND THEN WE'LL BE DONE WITH DISCUSSION AFTER MY COMMENTS.

AND THEN I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN REQUESTING BREAKS.

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SO GLAD COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

SO TO TO TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NO FISCAL IMPACT FOR ANY DIRECTION THAT WE GIVE TODAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET PAID UNLESS THERE IS A SUCCESS STORY.

CORRECT. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, AS PART OF THE NEXT STEP, IF WE DID WANT TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION, WE WOULD HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY. AS A PART OF NEXT STEP, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO THEN GUIDE THE CONVERSATION TO LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD GO ON THIS PRESENT SITE? IN ADDITION TO WHAT WOULD GO TO TO NOB HILL? ABSOLUTELY. IT WOULD BE AN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS.

AND IN THE END, WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO THE MARKET FOR THE SHOPPING FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE IDEA FROM THE DEVELOPER AS WELL.

OKAY. AND MANAGER, GOING FORWARD, IF WE GAVE CONSENSUS TODAY, THERE WOULD BE A SERIES OF COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

RESIDENTS WOULD BE INFORMED, THEY WOULD HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT IT'S PREMATURE TO ASK RESIDENTS WHAT THEY THINK OR GIVE THEIR INPUT AT THIS EARLY STAGE.

IT IS. AND IT WOULD BE PART OF OUR, YOU KNOW, PROJECT PROGRESS PROGRESSION.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE YOU KNOW, PULL THE FINAL TRIGGER FOR SURE.

OKAY. AND THE ONGOING COST OF MAINTENANCE WOULD THINK THAT THE ONGOING COST OF MAINTAINING THE NEW BUILDING WOULD BE AROUND THE SAME OR LESS OR MORE THAN THIS CURRENT BUILDING.

THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MY COLLEAGUE, KEN.

CAN YOU STILL WITH US? YES, I'M STILL WITH YOU.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT THE NEW MAINTENANCE GOING FORWARD WOULD BE AS MUCH AS THIS CURRENT 113 MILLION THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING FOR FIVE BUILDINGS.

NO, IT WOULD LIKELY NO.

THE MAINTENANCE COST OF THE OF THE NEW FACILITY VERSUS THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY, OPERATING COSTS.

SO IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A MORE EFFICIENT BUILDING.

SO I THINK IN THAT REGARD, YES, IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, CHEAPER FOR YOU TO, TO UTILIZE.

IT'LL BE A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF SPACE THERE.

YEAH, I DO BELIEVE SO.

HAVE YOU DONE A STUDY? AS FAR AS THE COST OF MAINTAINING AND AND THAT SORT OF STUFF VERSUS THE COST OF MAINTAINING THE NEW BUILDING VERSUS THE COST OF MAINTAINING THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

HAVE YOU DONE A STUDY SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A THIS IS A GOOD A GOOD PROJECT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T COST US MORE TO MAINTAIN A NEW BUILDING VERSUS THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

WELL, WE WOULD THE ONLY THING WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WOULD BE PURELY THEORETICAL.

THEORETICAL, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A NEW BUILDING DESIGNED AT THIS POINT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SYSTEMS WOULD BE USED.

WE COULD MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE THE RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I, YOU KNOW, THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT THE FIVE BUILDINGS THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY USING FOR, FOR YOUR CITY HALL USE WOULD DEFINITELY BE CHEAPER THAN ONE NEW FACILITY.

AND ASSUMPTIONS IS WHAT I NEED BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE PRESENTATION IS BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS.

RIGHT. BUT WE WERE GIVEN A SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO LOOK AT TWO OPTIONS.

AND WE CAN DEFINITELY GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND LOOK AT ADDITIONAL PARTS OF THOSE OPTIONS, SUCH AS WHAT THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE GOING FORWARD.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD BE MY MY GUT REACTION IS IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR YOUR NEW FACILITY.

CAN WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED 112, 110,000FT² WOULD BE AN ENERGY EFFICIENT BUILDING, WOULD BE LESS THAN THAN MAINTAINING THE EXISTING CITY FACILITIES? ABSOLUTELY, YES.

WOULD YOU NOT NEED A ROOF IN 20 YEARS AGAIN? RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO CARRY THOSE COSTS GOING FORWARD SO THAT IN 15, 20 YEARS, WHEN YOU NEED THAT NEW ROOF, YOU WOULD HAVE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IT.

AND SO THAT COST AND THAT WOULD BE FROM TAXPAYERS, CORRECT? YEAH. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

OKAY. SO SO THIS THE CITY HALL AS IT, AS IT CURRENTLY IS REMIND ME, I THINK HE'S AT $56 MILLION FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WOULD THEORETICALLY GO TOWARD THE, THE PURCHASING OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS NEW FACILITY? IS IT IS IT JUST THAT FACILITY OR IS IT ALL OF THE UNITS ON THAT FACILITY? IS IS A CONSTRUCTION COST THAT WE TALKED ABOUT $110 MILLION ONLY FOR THE CITY PORTION OF IT, OR IS IT FOR THE ENTIRE

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DEVELOPMENT JUST FOR JUST FOR THE CITY HALL PORTION? SO THE THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND CITY HALL, WE WOULDN'T PAY FOR THAT, BUT A DEVELOPER WOULD THEORETICALLY BE BUILDING THAT AND MAKING A PROFIT OFF OF IT.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

IT'S OKAY.

I THINK I THINK THAT THE ONLY CONSENSUS THAT THAT THIS COMMISSION SHOULD CAUTIOUSLY GIVE TODAY IS A CONSENSUS TO, TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING LIKE THIS. NOT.

NOT IN A WORKSHOP MEETING WHERE THERE'S, LIKE, ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO RUN TO, BUT LIKE, HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH, WITH EACH OF YOU TO THRASH OUT ALL THE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THIS, THIS I DON'T WANT TO SAY PUBLICLY THAT IT'S, IT'S WE COULD GET BAMBOOZLED WITH LIKE SELLING THIS PROPERTY FOR $56 MILLION, BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL NEXT DOOR.

THEN THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT, AND THEN A DEVELOPER IS MAKING MORE MONEY AROUND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.

I HAVE TWO TOO MANY QUESTIONS.

RIGHT. AND OF COURSE, I, I WOULD LOVE FOR FOR THE NEW CITY HALL TO HAPPEN.

I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE UNLESS I RUN FOR MAYOR.

BUT. AND I PROBABLY 20, 30, YOU HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS YOU WANT IN 2030.

SO, YOU KNOW.

YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

RIGHT. BECAUSE I PREFER THESE FACES.

AND I THINK YOU YOU GUYS ARE WELL MEANING I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK IN MOVING FORWARD, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, IN OUR OFFICES, HAVE COMMUNITY, HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ASK RESIDENTS WHAT THEY THINK.

LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY.

LOOK AT WHAT THE OTHER PROPERTY WOULD BE.

LOOK AT WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AT THE OTHER PROPERTIES WOULD BE, AND THEN MAKE A SOUND DECISION, BECAUSE IN 20 YEARS, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THIS ROOF OR THAT ROOF. SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE PROBABLY THE SAME THING.

SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE MY MY SUGGESTION AND HAVE A, A RETREAT.

THIS IS THIS IS A BIG PROJECT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS COOKIE CUTTER AS HAVING A TWO HOUR DISCUSSION IN A WORKSHOP.

IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN THAT.

THANK YOU. SO I THINK THE COMMENTS HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN TO WHAT WE WERE AT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT YOUR TIME, WAS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION TO THE NEXT STEP, TO SEE IF THERE IS A DESIRE.

THIS STARTED OUT THE FIRST TIME THE CONVERSATION WAS ONLY DISCUSSING THIS PLACE WHEN THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS FOR BOTH PROPERTIES, IT'S TO FIND THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE CITY, FOR WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO ACCOMMODATE THE CITY BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS IN ALL TOTAL THE CONCERNS THAT WOULD COME HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED, YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT PILES YOU COULD TRY, BUT WHEN YOU BRING PUBLIC SERVICES HERE, THEY COME WITH TRUCKS, THEY COME WITH SOIL, THEY COME WITH DIRT, THEY COME WITH GRAVEL, THEY COME WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THAT THEY NICELY HOUSED RIGHT NOW.

AND ALL THAT SPACE OVER THERE ON NOB HILL THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIT INTO THE STRUCTURE, BUT THESE ARE ALL GOOD QUESTIONS, AND THEY NEED TO BE HASHED OUT AND DISCUSSED.

AND LIKE ANY MAJOR PROJECT, WHETHER WE ARE THE DEVELOPER OR NOT, WE ALWAYS DO BRING IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH US AND THE OTHER TEAM.

THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT THIS FAR HAD YOU NOT SPOKEN TO OUR CITY EMPLOYEES AND SEEN THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A NEED.

SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THERE IS A NEED, AND NOW WE HAVE ACTUALLY FOUR OPTIONS.

IT'S THE LOWEST SCENARIO, MOST PROBABLE SCENARIO, THE HIGHEST SCENARIO, OR THE SCENARIO IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A COMBO.

YOU CAN SELL ONE OF THE LANDS, BOTH THE LANDS PART OF THE LAND AND SEE WHAT KIND OF WAY TO BRING IN LESSONS LEARNED.

PUT IN THE TIME FRAME SAYING, YOU DO THIS, YOU HAVE NO MORE THAN FIVE YEARS BEFORE YOU HAVE TO BUY IT AT A MINIMUM OF THIS PRICE OR WHATEVER NEW NEGOTIATION THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED. AND WHILE I LIKE SOME OF THE PRETTY PICTURES, I'M KIND OF GLAD YOU DIDN'T PUT IN AN EXACT PICTURE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY? YOU'D WIND UP GETTING YOUR FEET HELD TO THE FIRE, SAYING YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUILD THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THAT DATE.

AND THERE'S NO ABILITY TO BE FLUID AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS IN LIFE THAT CHANGE, SUCH AS MARKETS SUCH AS COVID, SUCH AS INFLATION, SUCH AS ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT COME THROUGH LIFE IN WHICH CHANGE CERTAIN GREAT THINGS THAT WERE DECIDED AT ONE POINT IN TIME, AND BEING USED WITH.

I THINK SOMEBODY MADE A FOOTBALL REFERENCE EARLIER TODAY OF STATISTICS.

HINDSIGHT'S WONDERFUL.

WE COULD ALL BE WONDERFUL QUARTERBACKS, MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU AT THE TIME YOU'RE MAKING THIS DECISION, THAT'S WHAT YOU

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HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS SAY YES, WE'RE INTERESTED.

YES WE'RE INTERESTED.

BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO WE MAYBE WANT THE CITY HALL AND OUR EMPLOYEES WANT TO MORE EFFICIENT, BETTER WORK SPACE, BUT ALSO OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN TELLING US TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WE JUST WENT THROUGH ALL LAST YEAR WAS COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

THEY WANT MORE RESTAURANTS.

THEY WANT LOWER TAXES.

THEY WANT MORE SECURITY.

THEY WANT MORE THIS. THEY WANT MORE OF THAT.

WELL, WHO'S PAYING FOR IT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT IS BASICALLY 50% IS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THEY'RE THE ONES BEARING THE BURDEN OF THE PROPERTY TAXES.

AND PROPERTY TAXES ONLY TAKE CARE OF ABOUT $32 MILLION OF A $230 MILLION BUDGET.

IT WAS A LITTLE HIGHER WHEN WE REDUCED SOME THINGS.

SO IT WENT FROM 252 TO NOW DOWN TO ABOUT 230 SOMETHING OR OTHER.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS.

WE CAN GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED.

WE CAN GIVE US ALL WHAT WE NEED AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST MECHANISM TO MAKE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.

BRING IT FORTH TO WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY WHERE WE BRING OUT AN IDEA AND PEOPLE ARE UPSET BECAUSE THE CAKE'S NOT FULLY BAKED.

YOU CAN'T BAKE A FULLY CAKE WITHOUT GETTING MORE INFORMATION AND MORE INGREDIENTS.

SO MANY PEOPLE HERE KNOW THAT I LIKE CAKES OR COOKIES ACTUALLY.

BUT ANYWHO, SO THIS IS ONLY STEP ONE.

LIKE ACTUALLY STEP THREE.

WE HAD A CONVERSATION.

WE SAID CITY HALL. WE THEN BROUGHT IT BACK, SAID, COME HERE.

SO WE'RE PUTTING THE INGREDIENTS IN.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WE LIKE YOU AS A TEAM TO BRING YOU BACK TO DO THE NEXT STEPS.

SO NOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME I THINK THAT IT IS WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO FOR AN UPDATE, BUT I AM GOING TO SAY THIS FIRE STATION 41, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE FIRE STATION 15.

FIRE STATION 41 NEEDS A NEW HOME.

SAME PLACE IS FINE, BUT IT NEEDS A NEW HOME RIGHT AROUND HERE.

BUT IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED, IN MY OPINION, IN WHATEVER REDEVELOPMENT SPACE IT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT.

IT'S NOT THE STEPCHILD.

SO MY OPINION.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS.

ARE WE MOVING THIS FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEPS TO GET MORE INFORMATION? AND IF A RETREAT OR DOING THIS WHERE THIS IS THE ONLY TOPIC ON HAND IS HAD, THAT'S UP FOR CITY STAFF TO BRING FORWARD TO US.

DEFINITELY NOT ON A REALLY LONG COMMISSION WORKSHOP.

YES. NO. TO GET MORE INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD.

YES YES, YES.

OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT FOUR YESES.

LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT NEW THINGS ARE SO WE CAN SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO PROGRESS FORWARD IN THE CITY.

ON THAT NOTE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 1223.

THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE A BREAK UNTIL 1 P.M..

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE IN RECESS.

THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW GOING TO.

WELCOME BACK EVERYBODY.

IT IS 101.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY.

SO WE WERE GOING TO GO TO.

[1.d Public Art Update 1. Sportsplex Water Tank Mural Recommendation 2. Inspiration Way recommendation for 2024-2025 3. Owl Sculpture recommendation Presented/ by George Gadson, Gadson & Ravitz & Assistant Community Development Director, Maher Mansour]

PUBLIC ART IS GEORGE GASTON.

ARE YOU READY TO PROCEED WITHOUT HIM? I WILL PROCEED WITHOUT HIM. OKAY.

LET'S GO. PUBLIC ART UPDATE.

GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR.

CITY COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MADAME.

MONSIEUR. I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

AND I'M SAYING THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR NEW CITY COMMISSIONER, CRYSTAL PIERSON.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON ON THREE UP ONGOING PROJECTS FOR.

INSPIRATION WAY.

THE WATER TANK MURAL AND THE OWL SCULPTURE.

THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE THROUGH IN THE LAST TWO MEETINGS OR PREVIOUSLY, TWO MEETINGS WENT THROUGH ALL THE ALL THE PRESENTATIONS AND ALL THE SUBMISSIONS BY VARIOUS ARTISTS AND CAME OUT WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALTERNATES.

AND I'M GOING TO IN RANKING ORDER.

SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE HIGHEST.

OKAY. THAT'S THE FIRST ONE BY HANNA JUBRAN, WHO'S PUBLIC ART IS ALREADY SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.

WE'VE HAD THEM BEFORE.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THEIR NEW.

THIS IS THE NEW SCULPTURE THAT'S DESTINED TO COME TO TO THE INSPIRATION WAY.

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ANOTHER ONE BY BY THE SAME ARTIST IS THE SOLAR SYSTEM AGAIN.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIMENSIONS AND IT'S IT'S FOR SALE IF THE CITY IS INTERESTED AND SO IS THE PREVIOUS ONE.

AND THAT'S THE VALUE JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR NEW COMMISSIONER.

THESE USUALLY ARE DISPLAYED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR SALE.

SO THE CYCLE IS ONE YEAR ALMOST LIKE FROM FROM THE CYCLE IS FOR ONE YEAR.

USUALLY IT HAPPENS STARTING WITH JANUARY AND UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR.

AND THESE GO ON INSPIRATIONAL WAY ALONG NOB HILL.

THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY THEM THE THE ARTISTS JUST DISPLAY THEM THERE.

OKAY. IF THE CITY IS AT ONE POINT INTERESTED, THEN THEY CAN BE BOUGHT.

RAY KATZ WURMAN THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT AND AGAIN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE THROUGH THE RANKING AS THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE VOTED FOR THEM.

ANOTHER ONE BY RAY KATZ OUT OF THE GATE.

DAVID HAYES.

AND BY DAVID HAYES.

AND MOST OF THESE ARTISTS HAVE ALREADY HAD PREVIOUS INSTALLATIONS ALONG INSPIRATION WAY OR OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY.

ROBIN MORGAN.

GEOFF WHITBY. I DON'T THINK GEOFF WHITBY HAS BEEN THERE BEFORE.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? THIRD ONE. ALDO.

MUZZARELLI. ROBERT CALHOUN.

OKAY. JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES, BY THE TIME THE CITY COMMISSION MAKES THEIR FINAL APPROVAL, WE USUALLY LOSE 1 OR 2 OR MORE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THESE ARE THE ALTERNATES.

LUIS FERNANDEZ.

AGAIN, LUIS FERNANDEZ.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF.

YEAH, YEAH.

MATTHIAS NEUMANN.

HERE'S HERE IS OUR ARTIST AT LARGE.

SO I WILL FINISH WITH THE INSPIRATION WAY.

THEN GEORGE CAN PROCEED WITH THE FOLLOWING.

AND HOFMANN.

ALL RIGHT, SO THESE WERE THE SCULPTURES PRESENTED AND RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING, BY THE SORRY, BY THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE.

AND HERE'S GEORGE, OUR CONSULTANT, PUBLIC ART CONSULTANT.

HE CAN ELABORATE ON THAT.

AND YOU WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OTHER TWO? FIRST WE HAVE THREE.

WE HAVE THREE. YEAH.

MAYBE PERSONALLY, I THINK WE MOVE TO THE MIDDLE SECTION ONE BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST TO GET THROUGH, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK.

OKAY. WE'LL GO TO THE WATER TANK.

OKAY. AND WE'LL GO TO THE OWL.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK. WE'LL COME BACK.

ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. MY APOLOGIES.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WERE RECONVENING AT 110, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS.

NO WORRIES. THANK YOU.

ALL GOOD. EXCELLENT.

GREAT. GREAT JOB. GEORGE.

GADSDEN, GADSDEN AND RAVITCH.

SO WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY REGARDING THE WATER TANK MURALS THE RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

WE HAD SENT A CALL TO ARTISTS OUT A REGIONAL CALL TO ARTISTS FOR SOUTH FLORIDA ARTISTS TO RESPOND.

THE FIRST TIME AROUND, THE SUBMISSIONS WERE REALLY NOT WHAT WE WOULD DEEM ACCEPTABLE.

SO HENCE THE CALL TO ARTISTS WENT OUT AGAIN.

THIS TIME AROUND, THE COMMITTEE IS PLEASED TO RECOMMEND TO YOU THESE ARTISTS HERE EACH ARTIST.

I THINK THERE WERE A TOTAL OF SIX, 13 ARTISTS THAT RESPONDED THIS TIME AROUND.

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AND OF THE 13, THESE SIX ARE BEING RECOMMENDED.

EACH OF THEM UPON YOUR RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL WOULD RECEIVE $8,000 FOR COMPLETING THE MURALS.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I'LL GO FORWARD WITH SHARING WITH YOU WHAT EACH ARTIST IS GOING TO BE DESIGNING.

THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST, BY THE WAY, IS ALREADY, EXCUSE ME, IN THE CITY'S COLLECTION.

AT THE THE ONE OF THE PLAYGROUNDS AND ALSO TO PARTICIPATED IN THE MURAL THAT'S AT THE SKATE PARK.

YEAH. THIS ARTIST IS NEW.

THIS ARTIST IS NEW AS WELL.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HE.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, HE WAS PART OF THE TEAM OF ARTISTS THAT DID THE DALMATIAN AT THE AT THE THE POLICE STATION.

THIS IS A NEW ARTIST BEING SUBMITTED TO US.

SO THE WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THE COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING THESE ARTISTS.

AS YOU SEE, THERE'S A MUCH MORE OF A MUCH MORE BRIGHT AND COLORFUL AS WELL AS DEFINITELY CAPTURING THE DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. AS FAR AS THE THE IMAGES ARE CONCERNED.

DIFFERENT STYLES.

ONE MORE TIME.

SO WE GOTTA PICK ONE OR.

I'M SORRY. THIS IS WHAT THE ASK IS.

THE ASK IS YOUR CONSENSUS AND AGREEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE ARTISTS BEING RECOMMENDED.

AND THEY CAN WE'LL GET THE CONTRACTS READY FOR THEM AND THEY'LL BEGIN PAINTING YOUR MURALS.

AND TO ANSWER THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER.

RIGHT. ALL SIX OF THEM.

BECAUSE WE HAVE SIX PANELS.

YEAH, INCLUDING THE GREEN ONE.

I'M SORRY. INCLUDING THE GREEN ONE.

I BELIEVE. JORDAN.

YES, YES, ALL SIX OF THEM, INCLUDING WILLIAM JORDAN, THE ONE ON THE JORDAN BOARD.

OKAY. HIM? YES.

I'LL JUST START IT UP SINCE NOBODY'S TURNED OVER.

YEAH. WE HAVE WE HAVE ONE MORE.

WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS.

YES. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT.

BUT WE'RE DOING ALL TWO.

WE'RE GOING TO DO WE'RE GOING TO DO THE WATER TANK.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE OWL, FINISH THE OWL, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE FIRST.

WE'RE GOING TO GO, WE'LL DO THE FIRST ONE THIRD, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE CONVERSATION THAT WILL PROBABLY BE HAD WITH THE FIRST ONE.

PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH WITH THE WATER TANK AND THE OWL.

OKAY. SORRY, I CAN'T FIND MY PRESENTATION.

IS IT IN THE BOOK? IT'S IN THE WORK.

IT'S. OOPS. IT'S IN WORKSHOP SECTION.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

YES. GOOD. OKAY.

THANKS. COMMISSIONER PASSING.

THANK YOU, MR. GADSON. AND I'M SORRY.

YOU ARE THE.

I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

I WORK FOR THE CITY.

OH. OKAY. SO FORGIVE ME FOR THAT.

OKAY, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO YOU DID JUST CLARIFY THAT THESE SIX PROPOSED PAINTINGS WOULD COVER I ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE WATER TANK. ALL SIX PANELS.

I CAN'T I'M SORRY.

OH. I'M SORRY. SO, WHAT, YOU GUYS, WHAT? YOU'RE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE? IS THAT ALL SIX OF THESE DESIGNS ESSENTIALLY COVER ALL SIX.

AND SO WHAT IF WE LIKE SOME AND NOT THE OTHERS? OR IS THIS LOCK, STEP AND KEY? DO WE.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU KNOW, SOME AND NOT THE OTHERS? HOW DOES THIS WORK? WELL, THE AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, 13 ARTISTS HAVE RESPONDED.

AND KNOWING WHAT BASICALLY THE SCOPE WAS, WAS FOR THE WATER TANK AND, AND THE, THE QUALITY, I GUESS YOU'D SAY. OF THOSE ALL 13 BEING PRESENTED.

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THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, RECOMMENDATION BASED UPON THAT OR BRINGING BEFORE YOU THESE SIX THAT HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THEIR PAST WORK. AND WE RECEIVED COPIES OF THEIR PREVIOUS WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AS FAR AS MURALS AND AND KNOWING THAT IS HOW THE COMMITTEE CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION.

AND WILL THIS BE FREE HAND ART? HOW DOES THIS HOW DOES THIS GET ON? EACH OF THE ARTISTS WILL PAINT THE IMAGES ONTO THE WATER TANK.

FREE HAND. FREE HAND.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

YES. AND THE CITY IS.

SO WE ARE.

THE COST PER PAINTING IS $8,000.

YES, MA'AM. CORRECT.

THERE'S A PUBLIC ART FUND THAT IS HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS HERE WITH THE CITY.

SO THE DOLLARS THAT ARE USED FOR PAYING THE ARTISTS TO DO WHATEVER PROJECTS ARE BEING DONE IN THE CITY, ARE COMING OUT OF THE PUBLIC ART FUND, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WAS THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION RELATING TO THESE, TO THIS SPECIFIC REQUEST? THESE PARTICULAR ARTISTS? YEAH. ACTUALLY, THIS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY ARE THE ARTISTS THAT THE THE COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING YOUR APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THEY SELECTED THESE SIX OF THE 13.

YES, MA'AM. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IS THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE OTHERS? I'M SORRY. DID WE ONLY NEED SIX? SIX OF THE 13 IS WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING.

RIGHT. WHAT I'M SAYING. I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS.

SO THERE'S SIX PANELS ON THE WATER TANK.

THAT'S CORRECT. ONLY NEEDED SIX.

THAT'S CORRECT. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. AND SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE LIKE SOME AND NOT THE OTHERS ARE WE ARE THE OTHER, I GUESS FIVE OR WHATEVER.

I'M NOT. GIVE ME THE MATH.

GUYS ARE THE OTHER SEVEN.

I'M AVAILABLE SO WE CAN PRESENT THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONS AT ANOTHER TIME TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE OTHER PRESENTATIONS WERE FROM THE OTHER ARTISTS.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT ALL SIX PANELS ARE NOT COVERED, I DON'T THINK.

ARE THEY ALL SIX COVERED? I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH, THEY JUST REPAINTED IT GRAY AND WHITE.

YEAH, IT JUST BEEN REPAINTED.

SO THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT ALL SIX WERE PAINTED SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH. CORRECT.

EACH OF THESE ARTISTS HAVE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SUBMITTED THEIR PORTFOLIO AND THEY HAVE ART THROUGHOUT OTHER PARTS OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA. AND SO THEY PRESENTED WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

AND THEN BASED UPON THAT AND WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, WE ASKED THEM TO GIVE US A PROPOSAL FOR THE THE WATER TANK.

KNOWING THE ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE THERE AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

SO HENCE, EACH OF THESE ARTISTS THAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY IS WHAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT FITS WITHIN THE SCOPE AND THE THEME OF ACTIVITIES THAT THAT TAKE PLACE THERE AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

UNDERSTOOD. NO, I WAS SIMPLY ASKING WHETHER THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THE WATER TANK IS BEING.

I DON'T BELIEVE ALL SIX PANELS ARE CURRENTLY PAINTED.

THE. THIS WILL BE, TO MY RECOLLECTION, THE SECOND TIME THAT ANY ART ENHANCEMENTS WERE DONE TO THE WATER TANK.

SEVERAL. SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

THERE WERE RAPS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WERE DONE WHERE THEY WERE COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED AND ATTACHED TO THE WATER TANK. BUT THIS TIME WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT ACTUAL ARTISTS ARE DOING THE PHYSICAL WORK AND PAINTING THE WATER TANKS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.

WHILE WE'RE HERE, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE WHICH ONES YOU DO AND DON'T LIKE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE SEEMS TO BE A POTENTIAL PREFERENCE OR NOT.

SO WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.

GO AHEAD. WELL, I HATE TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY WHICH ONE I DON'T LIKE.

I'LL LET YOU SAY WHAT YOU DO LIKE. WHY DON'T WE GO THAT WAY INSTEAD? THEY'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL.

LET ME LET ME JUST PREFACE, YOU KNOW, MY MY SELECTIONS BY SAYING THAT I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS A FLOW BETWEEN A FEW OF THEM, WHILE OTHERS KIND OF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A IT DOESN'T FLOW SO WELL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT I'M NOT I MEAN, I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THINKS.

I LOVE THE ARTIST.

CAYETANO. IS THAT 43? THE. YEAH. GIRLS WITH THE BASKETBALL.

WHICH PARTICULAR ARTIST? YES. I LOVE ARTISTS, CAETANO.

I LOVE STEVEN.

STEVEN GOODMAN.

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BRIAN LACY, MARCO CONDE.

WOULD BE MY CHOICES.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAVE COMMISSIONER DANIEL AND THEN VICE MAYOR.

RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU.

I MUST SAY, FOR THIS COMMITTEE THAT THE WORK YOU BRING HAS GOTTEN BETTER AND BETTER EVERY TIME BECAUSE I, I TRULY LIKE A LOT OF THE STUFF I SAW TODAY. AS FAR AS THE ARTWORK, I THINK IT'S A NICE REFLECTION OF WHAT GOES ON IN THE PARK ALMOST EVERY DAY.

NOT AS MUCH ANYMORE, BUT I LOVE THE ANDREW HAYES.

THE ONE WITH THE GIRLS AT THE BASKETBALL KITANO.

OH. I'M SORRY. 43.

OKAY, LET ME START FROM THE BEGINNING.

I LIKE ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT I THINK WE DID SKATEBOARD BEFORE.

RIGHT? ON THE LAST MURAL IN THE SKATEBOARD PARKS, I WOULD SAY.

CAN WE SWITCH THAT ONE OUT FOR SOMETHING WITH FOOTBALL? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY SPORTS THAT WASN'T REPRESENTED, THAT I SEE THE KIDS PLAYING A LOT.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE HERE.

YEAH. AMERICAN FOOTBALL.

YEAH, YEAH.

THANK YOU. AMERICAN FOOTBALL.

YEAH. NO.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO SOCCER, WHICH I LOVE THEM BOTH.

BUT CAN WE REPRESENT SOME FOOTBALL INSTEAD? AND TENNIS. OUR TENNIS.

TAKE ONE OF THE SOCCER. BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, SOCCER IS BIG.

TENNIS IS NOT SO BIG.

BUT FOOTBALL FOR SURE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND PARKING.

FOOTBALL TIME. SO ARE YOU.

ARE YOU. DO YOU LIKE THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST'S STYLE? BUT THEN MAYBE WANTING HIM TO CONSIDER PUTTING A FOOTBALL INSTEAD OF A SKATEBOARD? IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? I DON'T WANT TO. I'M NOT AN ARTIST, SO I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT ARTISTS SHOULD DO WITH THEIR WORK, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO ASK THAT.

BUT I'D PREFER SOMETHING WITH FOOTBALL.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

BUT AMERICAN FOOTBALL.

FOOTBALL. SOCCER.

THERE WE GO. I WANT TO PUT CRICKET.

NOT. NOT REAL FOOTBALL.

AMERICAN FOOTBALL. RUNNING.

WE DON'T HAVE TENNIS. WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS AT THAT PARTY? RIGHT? TRUST ME, WE'RE AT THAT PARK FOR HOURS, TWO HOURS A DAY, AND I UNDERSTAND.

AND I LIVE NEARBY, AND I GO THERE ALL THE TIME.

THERE'S A LOT OF FOOTBALL GOING ON THERE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AMERICAN FOOTBALL.

GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I LIKE, I LIKE, I LIKE MARCO, I LIKE THE FIRST ONE.

I LIKE THAT AS WELL.

YEAH. WILLIAM JORDAN, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE SKATEBOARDING.

THAT ONE. WHICH ONE? SIR WILLIAM JORDAN, AGE 40.

YEAH. ANDREW HAYES.

I LIKE THE SOCCER, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A REPRESENTATION OF DIFFERENT SPORTS.

AND ALSO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PICTURE TO REFLECT THE DIVERSITY.

YEAH. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE PERHAPS LIKE A, A YOUNG LADY, SOMEONE OF A, PERHAPS A HISPANIC LOOKING PERSON, A WHITE PERSON, JUST TO HAVE IT IN THE BASKETBALL IN THE.

I SEE THAT IN THE BASEBALL.

BUT I THINK THAT PARTICULAR PICTURE IS A GOOD PICTURE BASED ON HOW THE PEOPLE ARE.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY TO REPRESENT THE REPRESENT THE DIVERSITY IN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. I SEE THE BASEBALL, I SEE SOMEONE'S PLAYING BASEBALL.

I SEE THE DIVERSITY IN THE BASEBALL PICTURE.

I SEE THE DIVERSITY WITH THE WITH THE YOUNG LADIES PLAYING DIVERSE SPORTS AND DIVERSE LOOKING.

SO, YEAH, THOSE THAT THAT WOULD BE MY FEEDBACK.

I THINK IT'S THE REPRESENTATION OF SOCCER.

WE SHOULD HAVE AN AMERICAN FOOTBALL OR TENNIS.

YOU KNOW, TENNIS IS A.

SPORT THAT IS VERY AMERICAN AND GLOBAL IN, YOU KNOW, IN ITS APPEAL TO THE DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.

VICE MAYOR. DEFINITELY NO TO WILLIAM SKATEBOARD.

SAY NO TO THE SKATEBOARD.

SKATEBOARD. WILLIAM JORDAN AND ANDREW HAYES.

YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE DIVERSITY IN THAT ONE.

DIVERSITY OF SPORTS. BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SOCCER AT THE FRONT.

WE ALREADY HAVE. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER.

BOLTON, ARE YOU UP? I'M NOT BIG ON ART.

I, I THINK I PROMISED YOU SOME TIME AGO THAT I'D JUST, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT WHAT YOU DO.

SO I, I, I USUALLY DEFER TO, TO TO THE MAYOR, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NICE CONVERSATION GOING ON, SO I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW. PROVIDE INPUT ON TOO MUCH.

BUT WHAT I WHAT I WILL SAY, THOUGH GEORGE, YOU'VE YOU'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB IN TAMARAC WITH PUBLIC ART.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE GO TO THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES DEPENDING ON THE

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CITY THAT WE'RE IN, THERE'S LIKE A MOBILE TOUR TO GO TO SOMEWHERE IN THAT CITY TO SEE SOMETHING THAT THAT CITY HAS TO OFFER.

AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT TAMARAC DOES NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN, WHEN VISITORS COME HERE, WHERE DO WE TAKE THEM? WHAT DO WE WANT THEM TO SEE? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ENTERTAIN THEM? AND HOW DOES OUR RESIDENTS.

WHAT CAN WE DO FOR OUR RESIDENTS SO THAT WHEN THEY HAVE VISITORS IN TOWN, THEY CAN SAY, HEY, LET'S GO HERE.

THERE'S A COOL PLACE IN TAMARAC.

SO I WAS THINKING, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THIS CAN START THE CONVERSATION OF PROBABLY LIKE A PARK WITHOUT WALLS OR ART WITHOUT WALLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A CENTRAL LOCATION.

I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, INSPIRATION WAY IS IS THERE AND BUT IT'S SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, STRETCHED OUT OR THAT SORT OF STUFF.

SO MAYBE LIKE AN ART MUSEUM, WE, WE, WE CHARGE A FEE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AND WE HAVE ALL OF THESE EFFORTS, THESE PUBLIC ART IN LIKE ONE PLACE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS AND VISITORS AND, AND PEOPLE WHO COME OUT OF TOWN CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THAT PLACE.

SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT ALL THE ART THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND COLLECTING AND THAT SORT OF STUFF, JUST LIKE GO INTO LIKE ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE AN OPEN PIECE OF LAND SOMEWHERE IN DISTRICT FOUR.

MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN JUST DO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, LIKE, LIKE AN ART SPACE SO THAT IT'S OUR DESTINATION PIECE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND TAMARAC RESIDENTS CAN SAY TAMARAC IS KNOWN FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL ART.

LET'S LET'S GO THERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO TO SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, AS MY PIECE SO THAT THAT STARTS THE CONVERSATION.

FOR THAT I KNOW WE HAVE STRATEGIC PLANNING COMING UP.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY AREN'T IN STRATEGIC PLANNING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TO SAY THAT SO THAT WE MAYBE GET THE BALL ROLLING.

AND SINCE WE'RE THINKING ART, THAT MY COLLEAGUES CAN KNOW THAT I'M THINKING THAT NOT NECESSARILY FOR MY DISTRICT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT FOUR IS IS THAT.

YEAH, I THINK DISTRICT FOUR NEEDS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE DISTRICT TWO HAS A LOT GOING ON WITH LIKE, INVESTMENTS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT DISTRICT FOUR WOULD BE AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR THAT.

AND IT'S LIKE IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY ANYWAY.

SO LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THAT AND LIKE, TAKE ALL THIS ART, NOT NOT PUT IT AT THE SIDE OF COMMERCIAL AT WOODLANDS WHERE NOBODY SEES IT, BUT ACTUALLY, JUST, LIKE, MOVE ALL OF OUR EYES TOGETHER. GOOD ON OUR TRUCE.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO STICK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.

AND WE HAVE 3 OR 4 OTHER ITEMS, SO IT'S SO DO YOU WANT ME TO CHOOSE SOME STUFF? SO, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE INSPIRATION WAY AND WE HAVE PLANS WHEN WE BUY.

LET'S HEAR THE PLOP THEM IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY.

SO GO AHEAD. RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO I WAS ASKING FOR THE, FOR THE, THE PAGE NUMBERS OF, OF IT'S JUST OF WHAT YOU'VE GOT.

YOU START AT 40, 38 AND YOU GO TO 43, 38.

NO, NO, NO. THE CHOICES FOR INSTANCE, DOCTOR DANIEL LIKES HAYES.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S ON PAGE 41 THAT I'M SORRY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.

NO, I HAVE TO WORRY BECAUSE I HAVE TO.

OKAY. SO PAGE 40, YOU LIKE ON PAGE 40 YOU WANT TO GO FROM THE BEGINNING? YEAH. SO THE BEGINNING ONE WAS PAGE PAGE 38.

PAGE 39.

PAGE 40.

WHICH IS THE SKATEBOARD? PAGE 41.

PAGE 42.

BUT YOU DID NOT CARE FOR 43.

YOU DID NOT CARE FOR THE SKATEBOARD? NO. I COULD DO WITHOUT A SKATE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

WELL THAT'S FINE, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK.

BUT YEAH.

SO SO MY MY MY THING IS LIKE, I WANT TO CHOOSE FROM WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALREADY LIKED SO THAT WE'RE NOT ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THIS FOR FOREVER. SO YOU KNOW, SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT EACH OF US LIKE AND THEN SEE WHAT I LIKE IN COMMON.

IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ASKING BUT BUT SO FAR, I THINK, YOU KNOW VICE MAYOR.

RIGHT. ALSO LIKED NO ANDRE, NO NOSE AGAINST WILLIAMS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE.

I SAID NO TO THE SKATEBOARD.

OKAY, SO THE SKATEBOARD IS ONE OPEN PANEL AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, YOU LIKED ANDREW HAYES, TOO.

THERE'S TWO THAT HAVE SAID NO TO ANDREW HAYES AT THIS TIME.

WHO'S THE TWO? A LITTLE MORE DIVERSE.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THEM, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DIFFERENCES IN THEM.

HOW COME WE DIDN'T SAY DIVERSE TO ANY OF THE OTHER PICTURES? BUT THE ONE PICTURE WITH THE BLACK BOYS IS DIVERSE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I'M JUST WONDERING. OKAY.

OKAY. YEAH.

MORE. MORE SOFTER.

THAT WAS MY. IS THIS FOR SOCCERS?

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YEAH. FOR SOCCER. WELL, I AGREE WITH THAT.

TOO MUCH SOCCER. GET MORE SPORTS.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

I APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE THAT BOTHERED ME.

YEAH. I WAS WONDERING I WAS GOING TO ASK.

SO THEN SO SO, VICE MAYOR, CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME OF THE ONES THAT YOU LIKED? I LIKE I LIKE THE I LIKE THE PAGE.

JUST TELL ME THE PAGE.

I DON'T WANT DIVERSITY IN SPORTS.

YOU SEE DIFFERENT SPORTS.

SO THAT'S PAGE ONE. PAGE? PAGE 41. AND THEN PEOPLE.

THE BASEBALL ONE I LIKE.

WHAT? WHAT PAGE? THAT'S 40. 42? 42. 43.

ARE THE GIRLS PLAYING SOCCER AND BASKETBALL? SO YOU THOUGHT DIVERSITY OF SPORTS.

AND YOU HAVE WOMEN? OF COURSE. AND I'M THINKING.

AND THERE COULD BE A GIRL IN THERE AS WELL.

IN SPORTS OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, CARRYING A FOOTBALL OR A TENNIS RACKET.

I THINK THAT SHOWS A GOOD PICTURE TO PORTRAY DIVERSITY.

SO, SO PAGE 41 AS WELL.

BUT WITH GIRLS.

YEAH. OKAY. I MIGHT DRIVE A CHEVY CRUZE, BUT I HAVE A PICKUP AT HOME.

AND JUST REMIND ME COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, WHAT DO YOU LIKE? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, I HATE THAT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE FOOTBALL THING.

MY HUSBAND WOULD KILL ME IF WE DIDN'T HAVE AN IMAGE OF FOOTBALL IN THE COMPLEX.

MY GOD, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHOEVER.

YEAH. YEAH, I'M.

ALL OF THEM ARE ARE ARE GREAT.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY AS PARTIAL TO THE JORDAN TO 40.

PAGE 40.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REVISION AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SPORT.

EXCUSE ME, THE FOOTBALL ELEMENT ADDED SOMEHOW.

AND ALSO TENNIS, TENNIS, PICKLEBALL, ANYTHING WITH WHICH YOU HAVE THE MAJOR SPORTS, A MAJOR, YOU KNOW.

OH, DON'T LET THOSE PICKLEBALL FANATICS HEAR YOU SAY THAT.

HOCKEY. BASEBALL, FOOTBALL.

HOW MANY ARE WE CHOOSING? HOW MANY ARE WE'RE CHOOSING? ALL OF THEM. LIKE WE NEED SIX PANELS, SO WE NEED SIX.

YEAH, YEAH. OKAY.

JUST SICK OF THE MURALS.

THERE'S ONLY SIX.

WE'RE ONLY GIVEN SIX SO THAT WE CHOOSE EVERYTHING.

THAT'S KIND OF UNLESS YOU DON'T LIKE ONE.

THAT IS REALLY WHERE THEY WERE COMING FROM.

HERE IS SIX PANELS.

HERE'S SIX PIECES.

YEAH. YOU LIKE THEM? UNLESS YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, YOU HATE THEM.

I DON'T I DON'T LIKE WILLIAM JORDAN.

WILLIAM IS. NO.

MICHAEL. YEAH.

OKAY. AND THEN I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE THE ANDREW HE'S WITH THE FOOTBALL.

BUT LIKE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE DIVERSITY IN THAT AS WELL.

YEAH. SO MAYBE A GIRL BECAUSE GIRLS DO PLAY SOCCER.

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER PICTURES? LET'S BE CLEAR. WE SAID ABOUT THE ONE PICTURE WITH THE BLACK BOYS.

NO. HOW COME WE DID NOT SAY THAT ABOUT THE HISPANIC PICTURE? WE DID NOT SAY THAT ABOUT THE GIRLS PICTURE.

NO OTHER PICTURE HAS BLACK BOYS IN IT.

BUT THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE DIVERSE.

I'M CONCERNED.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN MAKE IT REAL SIMPLE.

YOU JUST PUT A TENNIS RACKET, A FOOTBALL, A SOCCER BALL, RUNNING, BASKETBALL.

YOU COULD CHANGE. THERE'S FOUR SOCCER PICTURES.

WE COULD CHANGE ONE OUT TO FOOTBALL.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DISRUPT A PERSON'S PAINTING.

I'M JUST SAYING, IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING UPSET ABOUT WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE ABOUT HUMANISTIC CHARACTERISTICS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S OTHER DIVERSE PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY HAVE COMPLAINTS THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING SURE CAN.

THEY SURE CAN. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SO LET'S CHANGE ALL OF THEM AND MAKE THEM ALL DIVERSE.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, JUST MAKE THEM ABOUT THE SPORT.

BUT GO AHEAD. SO ANYWAY THERE WAS A MENTION ABOUT THE SPORT.

IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT FEMALE AND THE COLOR OF THE PEOPLE IN THERE.

SO SPORTS WOULD BE LET'S CHANGE SOME OF THE SOCCER TO OTHER SPORTS.

IT WOULD NOT BE CHANGING THE BLACK BOY'S FACE.

NOBODY'S SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT CHANGING THE BLACK BOY'S FACE.

GOOD. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, SO I THINK THE BLACK BOY SHOULD BE FRONT AND CENTER.

I THINK THE PICTURE SHOULD INCLUDE SOMEONE WHO'S PERHAPS A LITTLE DIVERSITY, A LITTLE ASIAN.

DIVERSITY. OKAY.

CHANGE ALL OF THEM. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CHANGING COLOR, WE CHANGE EVERY PICTURE COLOR, NOT JUST THE BLACK ONE.

DANIEL'S SCREAMING INTO MIKE'S NOT GOING TO BE HEARD VERY WELL BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT UP CLOSE.

I'M NOT SCREAMING.

SO LET ME GET A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE BLACK BOYS, WE'RE CHANGING EVERY COLOR.

THAT EVERY PICTURE IS DIVERSE.

NOT JUST THE PICTURE WITH THE BLACK BOYS.

OKAY. GETTING UPSET OVER OTHER PEOPLE, ADDING OTHER PEOPLE INTO THE PICTURE DOESN'T HELP.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHEN COMMISSIONER.

I'M NOT GETTING UPSET.

I'M JUST MAKING IT CLEAR.

INTERRUPTING CONTINUOUSLY.

SO THEREFORE. NO, I'M TRYING TO GIVE IT BACK TO COMMISSIONER BOLTON BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE.

HE'S THE ONE WHO'S BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS, AND INSTEAD OF STARTING TO MAKE RACIST ATTACKS AT THIS POINT, PLEASE DON'T SAY I'M MASON MAKING RACIST

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ATTACK. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S DOING THAT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE ONE COLOR, WE SHOULD CHANGE THEM ALL YET.

COMMISSIONER. DANIEL.

SO DON'T EVEN START.

YOU'RE SPEAKING NOW, MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER DANIEL LETT MARLON COMMISSIONER BOLTON PROCEED.

IT'S TALKING ABOUT ART, PEOPLE.

IF WE CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH THE FIRST WORKSHOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS, IT'S GOING TO BE A HUMONGOUS LONG 2025 COMMISSIONER BOLTON OKAY.

YOU HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING ONCE ALREADY.

YOU'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS AGAIN AND IS NOW TO YOU.

PLEASE FINISH.

OKAY. THE BRIAN LACY ONE, LIKE I SEE THAT ON PAGE 39.

I SEE THAT WE HAVE THE, THE, THE ACTUAL MURAL, BUT THEN IT'S SUPERIMPOSED ON THE ACTUAL BUILDING.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT SUPERIMPOSING ON THE BUILDINGS FOR THE OTHER ONES.

CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHY? BECAUSE THEN FOR THAT ONE, I'M LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S HOW IT WOULD LOOK ON THE BUILDING.

SO IT GIVES ME A VISUAL, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE VISUAL FOR THE OTHER OTHER ONES.

GOOD QUESTION. COMMISSIONER THE ARTISTS INDIVIDUALLY.

WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSALS, THEY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO DO WHAT MR. LACEY DID. SOME DID AND SOME DID NOT.

OKAY, BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE THE WHOLE LIKE WALL WITH ALL OF THEM ON IT TO SEE HOW IT HOW IT PRESENTS TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TOGETHER.

RIGHT. SO BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I, I LIKE EVERYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WILLIAM JORDAN AND, AND I GUESS WE CAN, WE CAN KEEP KEEP THEM THE SAME, I GUESS.

I THINK THAT'S FINE. IT'S OKAY.

YOU DON'T NEED EVERYBODY ELSE'S APPROVAL TO DECIDE WHAT KIND OF ARTWORK.

NO, IT'S. I'M JUST TRYING TO BE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE INCLUSIVE AND YES, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST NOT INCLUSIVE IN THE WAY OF I JUST WANT THIS TO BE A HEALTHY CONVERSATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND NOT JUST LIKE I LOVE INCLUSION.

NO, NO, BUT HEAR ME OUT.

I JUST WANT IT TO BE LIKE I'M YOU'RE TRYING TO BE AMENABLE TO WHAT OTHER EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND THE HOOK SHOULD BE INCLUSIVE.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

COMMISSIONER DANIELLE, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

OKAY, BUT CAN YOU LET HIM FINISH SAYING YOU'VE GOT THE NEXT ONE? YOU'RE THE NEXT ONE, BUT NOT BOTHERED BY ME.

I DON'T CARE THAT HE'S NOT BOTHERED.

CAN YOU STOP? YOU'RE THE NEXT PERSON UP.

IF YOU LET HIM FINISH, YOU'RE NEXT.

I ALREADY WENT, MA'AM. OKAY, FINE.

YOU. YOU TOLD ME YOU WANTED TO GO AGAIN, SO THEREFORE FINE, AND I DID.

YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? NO COMMENT ON BRIAN.

BRIAN LACY. I SEE LIKE A TENNIS BALL.

I SEE LIKE, WHAT IS THAT TRYING TO REPRESENT? IS THAT A REPRESENTATION OF ALL THE SPORTS? WHAT DOES THAT ONE DEPICT? THIS, THIS PICTURE THAT'S IN FRONT OF ME? WELL, THE WAY, YOU KNOW, AS AN ARTIST? YES. AND THE WAY EACH ARTIST PRESENTED THEIR CONCEPT IS WHEN AN ARTIST IS CREATING AND ASKED TO GIVE CONCEPTS, THEY THEY PRESENT WHAT THEY FEEL INSPIRED BASED UPON THE VISION THAT THEY SEE AND WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED.

IF I MAY SAY THAT THE CAUTION THAT WE MAY RUN INTO AS ARTISTS WHEN AN ARTIST IS THEN BEING ASKED TO CHANGE HIS OR HER INSPIRATION, THAT SOME ARTISTS MAY OBJECT TO THAT AND MAY DECIDE, I'VE DONE WHAT I WAS INSPIRED TO DO.

THAT SOMETIMES CAN HAPPEN.

WHAT ABOUT THE SEVEN OTHER PICTURES THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT? I'M SORRY. THE SEVEN OTHER PICTURES THAT DID NOT MAKE THE CUT.

WE CAN PRESENT THOSE TO YOU AT THE NEXT.

NEXT TIME. YES, SIR.

YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE HANDY.

YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE CLOSE BY? WE DON'T HAVE THEM NOW.

NO, SIR. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED.

HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE THEM ON FILE.

AND PROBABLY THE BEST THING TO DO IS WHEN WE COME BACK AGAIN.

WHEN GEORGE COMES BACK AGAIN IS TO TAKE THESE NOTES INTO CONSIDERATION AT FOOTBALL.

SURE. MAKE SURE THE EMPHASIS IS NOT ON SOCCER.

MAKE SURE THESE PHOTOS ARE DIVERSE, AND WE CAN CONVEY THAT TO THE ARTISTS AND ASK THEM FOR THESE ADJUSTMENTS WITHOUT INTERFERING IN THEIR WAY OF DOING THINGS.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, IF THE CITY COMMISSION SO DESIRE THE PRESENTATION BY BRIAN LACEY WHERE IT SHOWS THE RENDITION OF IT ON ON THE ON THE ACTUAL WATER TANK, WE MIGHT ASK THEM TO DO THAT AS WELL.

THAT WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA.

OKAY. THANKS.

COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. YEAH.

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I JUST WANTED TO ASK I KNOW THAT THIS IS KIND OF A FIXED PROCESS, BUT I WAS CURIOUS.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU CONSIDER PLACES LIKE OVERTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, ART BASEL, I WENT TO A CONVERSATION THIS WEEKEND THAT MR. GADSDEN YOU WERE AT, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION AROUND JUST THE ARTS AND JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY DOES THIS NEED TO BE A FIXED PROCESS? HAVE WE EVER CONSIDERED ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAYBE ALLOW FOR YOU KNOW, FREEHAND ART WHERE WE JUST KIND OF, ON A TRANSIENT BASIS, RECONSIDER WHAT'S PAINTED? KIND OF MAYBE EVEN TYING INTO A LITTLE BIT WITH WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLTON SAID ABOUT JUST CREATING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN ART FEEL, JUST WHERE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY PICKING WHAT GOES THERE, BUT KIND OF BRINGING THE COMMUNITY INTO THIS, GIVING THE ARTISTS CREATIVE FREEDOM.

IF IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING A SPACE, LETTING THEM, YOU KNOW, PAINT.

MAYBE WE DO THAT BIANNUALLY.

YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES AN EVENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN KIND OF PAINT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE EQUITY ISSUES, THE INCLUSION ISSUES.

I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE APPROACH TO HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ART IN OUR CITY MAYBE NEED TO BE RECONSIDERED SO THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY BOXED IN.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF BOXED IN.

AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT ART, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WE'LL TAKE A SOCCER BALL OUT OR PUT A BOY OR A GIRL TO YOUR TO YOUR POINT.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ART IS ART.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARTISTS DREW WHAT? I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO LITERALLY COME.

YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A NEW CONCEPT AS OPPOSED TO TAKE THIS OUT OR TELL THE ARTIST TO REPLACE A BOY WITH A GIRL, ETC..

THAT'S JUST ONE THOUGHT.

BUT BEYOND THAT.

COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, WE RECENTLY HAD AN ART PROJECT EXACTLY LIKE YOU DESCRIBED THAT WAS DISPLAYED IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND IT WAS PERFORMED BY THE CITY, BY THE CITY RESIDENTS, WHERE IT WAS A WORKSHOP FOR GLASS, AND WE HAD OVER 100, I THINK 100 PARTICIPANTS, WHERE EACH ONE DESIGNED AND MADE THEIR ARTWORK AND IS ON DISPLAY THERE.

IT WAS JUST AN INTERACTIVE SESSION AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, SO WE HAVE THAT ALREADY.

MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT COME IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION ARE USUALLY, I WOULD SAY, ACTIONED BY A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY COMMISSION ITSELF. WE ARE ASKED TO TAKE CARE OF THE OF THE WATER TANK, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO APPLY AN ART PROJECT.

AND SOMETIMES OUR PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND GEORGE GATSON AS WELL COME UP WITH IDEAS, WHICH IS ALSO WE RECOMMEND I SERVE AS LIAISON ON THE ON THE COMMITTEE.

SO I AM THERE, I ATTEND WITH THEM.

I CONVEY THE MESSAGES WE RECEIVE FROM THE CITY COMMISSIONERS AND FROM STAFF.

AND WE ONE OF THE NEW FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE INITIATIVES WAS LET YOU KNOW, LET THEM COME UP WITH NOVEL IDEAS ABOUT HAVING THE PUBLIC DOING THE ACTUAL ARTWORK. AND THIS THE FIRST THE FIRST PROJECT THAT CAME ALONG THAT WAS THE GLASS WORKSHOP.

AND IT'S AN ONGOING THING.

I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE IF I'M I'M NOT SURE I'M SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE THE PUBLIC NECESSARILY.

BUT ON THE HEELS OF ART BASEL, I KNOW THAT OUR CITY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY HAD AN AN ACTIVATION FOR ART BASEL.

AND SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE, THERE'S SOME SELECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, PERHAPS SOME ALTERNATES THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT ONCE THIS INSTALLATION IS DONE, PERHAPS WE JUST KIND OF RECONSIDER OUR APPROACH TO THIS AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IN PREPARATION FOR ART BASEL NEXT YEAR, WE LOOK AT AN APPROACH WHERE WE MAKE THIS AN ART BASEL ACTIVATION, WHERE THESE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT MAY BE SITE.

WE START THERE AND IT'S KIND OF AN ACTIVATION IN OUR CITY.

IT'S LIVE PAINTING THAT'S DONE BY NEW ARTISTS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN CREATE SOME SCOPE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME PERSPECTIVE AROUND WHAT IT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT WE CREATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS QUITE FORWARD THINKING, BUT I JUST THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS SPEAKING ON THE BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN I THINK ART IS COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, BASED.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE A BIGGER OPPORTUNITY HERE THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT'S PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US.

GO AHEAD, CITY MANAGER. THE NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE FOR THE NEW, YOU KNOW, ART BASEL.

OR OR HONESTLY YOU WANT TO START SOMETHING SOONER THAN LATER? LADY GLASSMAN ACTUALLY NEEDS AN OVERHAUL.

YEAH. AND SO THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP ARE GOOD IDEAS, AND THEY'RE PART AND PARCEL WILL GO THROUGH THE ART COMMITTEE, AND CERTAIN PLACES ARE DESIGNATED FREEFORM.

CERTAIN PLACES ARE PROBABLY NOT DESIGNATED FOR REFORM.

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AND HOW LONG DO WE HAVE THE FORMER ARTWORK ON THE WATER COOLER WATER TANK? IT ROTATES LIKE I MEAN, THIS GOES ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN IT CAME OFF.

WHY AM I? YES, WE HAD IT FOR A FEW YEARS UNTIL WE PAINTED THE WATER THING.

YES. SO IT'LL IT'LL HAVE ITS CHANGE.

SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT CAN BE, I THINK, TRANSITIONED AND UTILIZED.

LIKE I THINK THE WATER TANK CAME UP FOR REPAINTING AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN OVERHAUL.

SO THEY NEED TO KIND OF LIKE RESURFACE IT AND CLEAN IT UP AND PAINT IT.

AND IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN THIS ART PROJECT TO IT.

AND AGAIN, IT CAME THROUGH A RECOMMENDATION FROM FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.

YOU ASKED US TO DO THAT.

BUT ALL KIDDING ASIDE, I THINK, YOU KNOW THE 57TH STREET BETWEEN TAMARAC VILLAGE AND IN FACT, ALL THE WAY YOU KNOW, TO TO PINE ISLAND IS A PERFECT PLACE FOR, FOR THESE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES, ACTUALLY.

AND THIS PLACE? YEP. WE'RE GOOD.

OKAY. SO BEFORE GETTING ACCUSED OF STUFF I REALLY DON'T CARE TO BE ACCUSED FOR, I ACTUALLY LIKED ALL OF THEM.

I THOUGHT THEY WERE VIBRANT.

I REALLY ENJOYED, ESPECIALLY OAKLAND'S VIBRANCE AND INSULT.

ARTIST KITANO.

I LIKE THE VIBRANCY IT CAME THROUGH OF WHAT OUR CITY IS, WHICH IS VIBRANT AND ATHLETIC AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.

YES, I AM NOT A FAN OF FOR SOCCER BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, TENNIS, FOOTBALL, SOCCER, RUNNING, BASKETBALL, AND WE DO CONCERTS IN THE PARK.

MUSIC. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT AN ARTIST IS GIVEN.

MAYBE WE GAVE THEM TOO MUCH FREE FORM.

MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE SAID ABCS.

YOU GUYS DO SOCCER.

YOU KNOW THAT OTHER 12.

YOU DO THIS BECAUSE WE ONLY GOT FOUR SOCCER'S.

AND I DO SEE THE SOCCER BALL IS KICKED.

OBVIOUSLY KICKED OUT COMES A TENNIS BALL.

I CAN'T TELL IF THAT LITTLE THING IS A VOLLEYBALL.

BUT WE DON'T REALLY PLAY VOLLEYBALL THERE, WHICH WE SHOULD.

SO IT IS HARD TO CHANGE SOME OF THE ASK, AND LIKE YOU DID WITH THE INSPIRATION WAY THAT WE DIDN'T GET THROUGH YET, YOU GAVE US THE ALTERNATIVES. WHICH KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION, WERE THE ALTERNATIVES DEFINITELY NOT UP TO PAR.

IS THAT WHY THEY WEREN'T PROVIDED? BECAUSE. AND YOU COULD YOU COULD SAY YES, IN PART.

I THINK THE VIBRANCY THAT YOU JUST REALLY REFERENCED, IT MADE IT REALLY APPEALING TO YOU WAS NOT THERE IN THE FIRST SUBMISSIONS.

OKAY. I JUST HAVE JUST IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THE WITH THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, ARE THERE ANY THAT ARE GOOD AS THEY ARE? SO WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THESE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE WE NEED THREE MORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

MAYBE THAT WILL HELP GEORGE AND THE COMMITTEE.

PERSONALLY, I WOULD GO WITH ALL OF THEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN JUST YOU CAN'T REALLY JUST PUT A WELL, NOBODY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT FOND OF JORDAN.

MAYBE WILLIAM JORDANS CAN BE PUT INTO SOMETHING THAT EXEMPLIFIES TENNIS AND FOOTBALL OR RUNNING OR FOOTBALL, BUT FOOTBALL. I AGREE, FOOTBALL HAS TO BE ON THERE.

AND WHILE SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT PLAY TENNIS HERE ON THE COMMISSION, THERE ARE PEOPLE USING THE COURTS ALL THE TIME.

SO JUST BECAUSE WE MAY NOT PLAY IT OFTEN DOESN'T MEAN THEY SHOULDN'T BE REPRESENTED.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OKAY.

I'M JUST SAYING FOOTBALL WHEN IT'S THERE, THE SEASON, THE PARK IS PACKED.

EVERYBODY WHO GOES, NOBODY'S DISAGREEING, NOBODY'S DISAGREEING.

SO I SAID, IF AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMENT ON WHAT I SAY, DON'T SIT HERE COMMENTING EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY.

OH, COMMISSIONER ON THE SCREEN TAKING OVER MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONER BOLTON REALLY MADAM MAYOR ON THE SCREEN.

ON THE SCREEN THERE IS A LIKE BANANA TREES OR LIKE, WHAT IS THAT, LIKE A PLANT? THE PLANTS. ARE WE GOING TO REMOVE THOSE TREES? YES. IN ORDER TO PUT THE MURALS ON THERE, THE CITY WILL APPLY FOR A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF.

MAKE SURE YOU DO. JUST MAKE SURE YOU DO.

AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH CANOPY WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE REPLACEMENTS.

SO THEN THAT ALSO LEADS TO ANOTHER QUESTION THOUGH, RIGHT? DO WE NEED ALL SIX SPOTS FULL IF IT'S GOING TO BE TOO LONG OR TOO HARD? LIKE, WHEN ARE WE TRYING TO GET THIS DONE? DO WE MAKE ONE? THAT'S THE CITY LOGO, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE ONE WHERE WE'RE MISSING FOOTBALL AND TENNIS.

IN ALL BUT THE REMAINING OUT OF THE FIVE.

FOR HAVE PEOPLE IN IT.

ONE DOES NOT.

DO WE SEE IF MR. LACEY CAN WORK IN PEOPLE OR WORK IN FOOTBALL INSTEAD OF A SOCCER BALL?

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LIKE IF WE'RE NOT AMENDING THE OTHERS.

WHAT CAN BE DONE? SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING THIS OUT FOR ANOTHER LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND KEEPING ART OFF THE WALLS.

WHAT CAN BE DONE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE ARTIST, ONE OF THOSE THE SIX SELECTED ALREADY AND TELL THEM WE LIKE THEIR WORK, BUT WE WANT SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING FOOTBALL.

IS THAT WOULD THAT BE A GOOD APPROACH? WELL, THERE WAS FOOTBALL AND TENNIS OR TENNIS.

YEAH, I'M JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE.

THE ONLY PANEL THAT'S DEFINITE NO GO AS IS.

YES. SINCE THE SIX ARTISTS SELECTED SINCE THE ARE ALREADY WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE FOR THE QUALITY OF WORK, I'M SURE THEY CAN COME UP WITH OTHER NOTIONS.

OTHER CONCEPTS.

WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER? ANYBODY? BUELLER? SAY IT AGAIN, PLEASE.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE SKATE BOARD.

IF WE AGREE THAT THE ARTIST THAT WAS SELECTED, RECOMMENDED BY THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE MET THE STANDARDS OF WHATEVER THEY.

I DON'T I'M NOT AN ARTIST.

SO WHATEVER THEY CONCEIVE AS ART.

WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY, LET'S ASK THEM TO PROVIDE SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS ABOUT FOOTBALL, FOR INSTANCE? SO, OKAY, WE'RE SAFE.

MARK O'CONNOR ON 38 FOR PEOPLE WITH PAGE NUMBERS FOR PREFERENCE OF PAGE NUMBERS, 38 IS IN.

I'M WORKING IT BACKWARDS.

43 ARTIST KITANO.

BASKETBALL. SOCCER.

LADIES IN ARTIST STEVEN GOODMAN.

42. BASEBALL.

TWO YOUNG BOYS.

NOW WE HAD TWO.

AND I'LL SAY TWO AND A HALF. PEOPLE MADE COMMENTS REGARDING ANDREW HAIGH'S PRIOR.

I DIDN'T EVEN SPEAK ABOUT IT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT THE WAY IT IS.

IT'S SOCCER AND SOCCER.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE NOW WILL HAVE THREE.

SOCCER'S BETWEEN MARCO AND ACTUALLY BRIAN LACEY.

SO IT'S STILL FOR ANDREW HAIGH'S.

IS THAT ONE? YEAH.

I'M SORRY. IS THAT ONE A COMBINATION OF SOCCER AND BASKETBALL? NO, IT'S JUST THAT'S ALL SOCCER.

THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SOCCER BALL.

THE ONE. YES.

BUT ANYWAY. SOCCER.

YEAH. SOCCER. THEIR SOCCER.

OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT A VOLLEYBALL.

AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, THAT'S NOT A BASKETBALL.

BECAUSE IF YOU KICK A BASKETBALL, MANY BASKETBALL COACHES WILL BE ALL OVER YOU.

YOU NEVER KICK A BASKETBALL.

SO THEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE DO? WE HAVE FOUR SOCCERS.

SO WHY DON'T WE LEAVE ANDREW HAYES, THOSE HANDSOME YOUNG MEN.

AND MARCO CAN LISTEN TO SOCCER AT THE BEGINNING.

WE CAN CHANGE THAT FOR A DIFFERENT SPORT.

YEAH. I LIKE THAT ONE A LOT.

I MEAN, HE'S DIVERSE AS WELL.

I MEAN, THAT'S IT.

MARCO. WHAT? HE CAN PASS HISPANIC OR WHATEVER.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S A PERSON.

HE'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S ENERGETIC.

THEY'RE ALL HANDSOME, THEY'RE ALL GOOD.

THEY'RE ALL. THERE'S. THERE'S NOT ONE THAT'S NOT THE SPORT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S THE ISSUE. THE DIVERSITY OF THE SPORT.

MAY I? MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I'LL BE HAPPY TO APPROACH THE ARTIST IN TERMS OF EXECUTION AND EASE OF EXECUTION.

THIS PARTICULAR ARTISTS, I THINK WOULD BE EASILY ABLE TO EXECUTE SHOWING A BASKETBALL.

IN THIS DRAWING, IF I, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE COMMISSION MUCH MORE EASILY EXECUTED.

AS OPPOSED TO MARCO HERE.

THE OTHER CONSIDERATION AND THE REASON I'M SUGGESTING THIS IS.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARTISTS HAVE NOT BEEN COMPENSATED BY NO MEANS.

AND SO FROM THAT ARTIST PERSPECTIVE.

TO TO TO DO TOO MUCH WORK, I'M JUST THINKING SHARING THE SENTIMENTS OF MOST ARTISTS THEN.

THEY MAY BE RELUCTANT TO.

SO HERE WITH MR. ANDREWS, I THINK HIS MODIFICATIONS WILL BE MINIMAL.

AND IF THE COMMISSION IS AMENABLE TO THAT, I WILL BE GLAD TO APPROACH HIM.

DID THEY GET PAID FOR THEIR INITIAL ENTRIES.

SOMETIMES I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE NOT PAID.

NO, MA'AM. NO ONE'S BEEN PAID. NO.

NO COMPENSATION.

THEY DON'T DRAW THIS.

THEY GIVE US SKETCHES.

SKETCH OF THIS? YES. CORRECT.

SO THEY'VE COLOR.

PUT THE COLOR IN IT. OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

GET. I WASN'T FINISHED, BUT THANK YOU.

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AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YOU KNOW.

AGAIN, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THEY'RE ALL GREAT ARTISTS.

THEY'RE VIBRANT. THEY'VE GOT WHAT WE HAVE ASKED FOR.

PLEASE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THE SPORTS THAT ARE PLAYED.

THEY'RE REPRESENTED.

HOWEVER, IT WILL WORK.

SO IT WORKS WELL.

OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO MR. JORDAN NOT HAVING HIS PANEL THERE AS SKATEBOARD.

HAVING THAT BE DEFINITELY SOMETHING ELSE.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL. SO.

MR.. MR.. JORDAN BEING COMPLETELY REMOVED.

MR.. JORDAN'S SKATEBOARD IS REMOVED.

IF MR.. JORDAN. BUT IF HE CAME UP WITH A FANTASTIC IMAGE OF A FOOTBALL PLAYER.

FOOTBALL PLAYER, TENNIS PLAYER, OR JUST THE SPORT ITSELF OR WHATEVER, IF IT'LL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THIS THING, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK TO ANY OF THE OTHERS AND ASK THEM TO CHANGE.

BECAUSE IF MR. JORDAN WANTS TO BE INCLUDED, AND I'M SURE HE DOES, THEN MAYBE HE WILL FIND THE INSPIRATION TO INCORPORATE THAT WHICH IS MISSING TO MAKE IT COMPLETE.

I CAN ALMOST SAY WITH 80% CERTAINTY THAT MR. JORDAN WOULD BE GLAD TO MAKE CHANGES.

AS FAR AS AN IMAGE OF A FOOTBALL PLAYER OR SOMETHING.

AND THE OTHER ARTISTS, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY WOULD REMAIN AS PRESENTED.

IF EVERYBODY IS FINE WITH FOUR SOCCERS AND THEN LET IT BE.

I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR HOW MUCH LONGER AND WE'RE GOING TO CAUSE ISSUE TO THE ARTISTS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN COMPENSATED AND WHO HAVE NOT, IT MAY BE TOO DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO CHANGE THEIR WORK TRYING TO GET TO THE EASIEST WAY OF GETTING THIS DONE, WHERE EVERYBODY CAN HAVE WHAT THEY NEED.

IF IT'S A VICE MAYOR BEFORE YOU GO COMMISSIONER DANIEL DID HAVE HER SORRY, NO THING TURNED OVER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

I WANT TO JUST KIND OF MOVE THIS ALONG, AND I, LIKE I SAID, I LIKE ALL OF IT, BUT THERE'S A MAJORITY WHO DON'T CARE FOR MR. JORDAN'S CURRENT SKATEBOARD PIECE.

I WOULD BE WILLING TO DEFINITELY WORK WITH MR. JORDAN, AND IF THE COMMISSION IS AMENABLE, I'LL ALSO WORK WITH APPROACH MR. HAYES TO SWITCH OUT ONE OF THE BALLS SO THAT IT REFLECTS A BASKETBALL.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THAT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE WOMEN ARE PLAYING BASKETBALL.

ONE OF THE WOMEN ARE PLAYING BASKETBALL.

YOU STILL HAVE JORDAN.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT ONE OF THE SOCCER BALLS TURNS INTO A BASKETBALL.

IT'S STILL THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FOUR SOCCERS.

SO I'LL JUST FOCUS ON MR. JORDAN AT THIS TIME.

THAT'S MY FEELING.

IN ORDER TO KIND OF PROGRESS.

COMMISSIONER DANIEL. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR RECOGNIZING ME.

WHAT IF WE HAVE THE PEOPLE IN JORDAN? CAN HE. SINCE I LOVE EVERYTHING TAMARAC, CAN WE JUST PAINT OUR TAMARAC FOOTBALL TEAM OR SOMETHING THAT REPRESENT OUR TAMARAC FOOTBALL TEAM, THEN TAMARAC FOOTBALL TEAM? YES, WE HAVE A FOOTBALL TEAM AT TAMARAC.

AND IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER DISCREPANCY, I KNOW THIS HAS A TENNIS BALL IN IT.

I SEE A TENNIS BALL RIGHT HERE.

MAYBE THIS PICTURE COULD BE CHANGED TO A TENNIS ONE BY BRIAN LACEY.

AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S A TENNIS BALL.

OKAY. ARE YOU DONE? YEAH. GOOD NIGHT. GOOD NIGHT, I THINK.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

AND AND ALSO THE THE WILLIAM JORDAN WAS, WAS LIKE LANDSCAPE, I THINK.

AND THEN ALL OF THE OTHER ONES LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PORTRAITS.

SO THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DIDN'T LIKE IT.

SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO HIM, MAYBE HE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN THAT LANDSCAPE PORTRAIT THAT INSTEAD OF LANDSCAPING, THAT IS, INSTEAD OF LANDSCAPE.

RIGHT. THANK YOU.

HIS LINES ARE SHARPER THAN THE OTHER IMAGES.

YOU KNOW, FROM HIS LINES ARE OKAY.

YEAH. THAT'S HIS TALENT.

TALENT? YOU'VE GOT GOOD DIRECTIVE, AT LEAST ON THE MURALS.

MR. JORDAN WILL BE THE FOCUS FOR MODIFICATIONS.

POTENTIALLY THE TAMARAC FOOTBALL TEAM PORTRAIT VERSUS LANDSCAPE AND MAYBE A SINGLE FOOTBALL PLAYER.

AND WHY DON'T WE HAVE A LOCAL ARTIST ALSO CHIMING IN TO DO THIS? THERE ARE LOCAL.

THE PURPOSE AND AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER THE PURPOSE OF US DOING A REGIONAL, BE IT SOUTH FLORIDA CALL TO ARTISTS SO THAT WE COULD GET

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ARTISTS THAT ARE LOCAL MIAMI, FORT LAUDERDALE, WHEREVER THEY'RE LOCATED.

AND OUR NET WAS CAST WITH THE CONTACTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE ARTS COMMUNITY ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, THE CULTURAL DIVISION, BROWARD COUNTY CULTURAL DIVISION, THEIR LISTSERV THE ART SERVE WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE OTHER ONE? THE BROWARD ART GUILD.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORTS WERE MADE TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR ARTISTS TO GET THE EXPOSURE.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, IT'S UP TO THEM TO DECIDE, YES, THEY WILL APPLY OR NOT APPLY.

OKAY. THAT'S A VERY DIPLOMATIC WAY OF SAYING WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

ALRIGHTY THEN.

WE'RE DONE WITH THE WATER TOWER, RIGHT? THANK. MOVING ON TO THE OWL.

YES. NOW WITH THE OWL.

CAN YOU START THE. WE'VE GOT GINSU KNIVES COMING.

WE'VE GOT MORE. CAN YOU JUST START THE CONVERSATION WITH THE WHY AND THE LOCATION AND, PLEASE, I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW.

AND AND COMMISSIONER PATTERSON MAY HAVE BEEN AWARE AS WELL IF NOT THE THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST.

SEEING. PRAY IS THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION THE ARTS ORGANIZATION HAD.

THEY RECENTLY DID THE 16 FOOT DALMATIAN.

IS THAT ONE OF ONE OF THE FIRE STATIONS HERE AND DID SUCH A PHENOMENAL JOB.

AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED TO HAVE THEM PROVIDE A PROPOSAL, POTENTIALLY, OF DOING SOMETHING ELSE IN THE CITY, PARTICULARLY THE PRICE POINT FOR THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WE RECEIVE WAS QUITE NICE.

SO WE APPROACHED HIM AND HAD PRESENTED HE HAD PRESENTED BACK AND RESPONDED BACK.

THIS IS ALL BASED UPON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE THE ARTS COMMITTEE FOR HIM TO MAYBE DO A PROPOSAL FOR AN ANIMAL, IF YOU WILL, MAYBE THE PANTHER AND THE OWL.

AND HE RESPONDED BACK.

AND THE OWL INITIALLY PRESENTED WAS A BIT MENACING, IF YOU WILL.

THAT MIGHT SCARE KIDS.

SO HENCE WE WENT BACK TO HIM AND THE.

AND THE PANTHER.

AT THE END OF THE DAY WAS REALLY NOT THE FAVORABLE CHOICE.

SO AS WE ALL KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN OUR PARKS AND THIS IS TO YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, OF WHY THE LOCATION? IN THE SPORTS COMPLEX, THERE ARE DESIGNATED AREAS THAT ACTUALLY SHOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROTECTION, THE PROTECTIVE OWLS THEMSELVES.

SO THAT BEING SAID, THE ARTIST CAME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS LESS MENACING, MUCH MORE COLORFUL, AND AND THE LOCATION, AS I MENTIONED BECAUSE WE THINK IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC ACTIVITY A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EVENTS, AS WE ALL KNOW, GO ON THERE AT AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

SO THE LOCATIONS INFORMED AS FAR AS ENTRANCE IS CONCERNED.

YOU KNOW, THE USERS OF THE PARK WOULD WOULD SEE IT AS THEY COME INTO THE ENTRANCE.

OR AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S HERE IS AN AREA THAT'S CLOSE TO THE PROTECTED AREA WHERE THE BURROWING OWLS ARE. AND I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM. THIS IS THE PREMIER VERSION OF THE.

I'M SORRY. SO? SO THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE CITY WOULD ENGAGE.

SEEING. PRAY THIS ARTIST TO CREATE AGAIN AT A WONDERFUL PRICE FOR 16 FOOT, USING THE USING TILE, MOSAIC TILE CEMENT, FIRST AND FOREMOST.

AND THEN THE TILES ARE INDIVIDUALLY PLACED ON, ON THE SCULPTURE FOR 16FT.

AND AGAIN, THE COST IS $80,000.

ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO FIRST.

JUST BECAUSE I CAN ALREADY TELL SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT TO SAY IT, SO I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.

NO, I LOVE OWLS.

I LOVE THE LITTLE BURROWING OWLS.

I HAVE PLENTY OF LITTLE PICTURES OF PICTURES OF THE LITTLE ONES AND ALL THEIR LITTLE CUTE EXPRESSIONS.

AND THIS TO ME DOES NOT ENCOMPASS THAT CUTENESS.

IT DOES NOT ENCOMPASS THAT WARM FEELING WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE WHEN THEY COME TO OUR PARK.

INSTEAD, IT MORE OR LESS IS LIKE MAYBE SAYING STAY AWAY AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OUR PURPOSE IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROTECT THE BURROWING OWLS.

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OKAY, BUT I CAN'T SEE SPENDING $80,000 OF THE ART FUND MONEY ON THIS BIG GUY. AND I KNOW THAT SECTION FOUR WAS JUST REQUESTED TO HAVE AN ART PIECE IN THERE.

I'M NOT EVEN ASKING YOU TO MOVE THE BIG OLD OWL TO SECTION FOUR OR DISTRICT FOUR TO GIVE IT ARTWORK.

I'M SORRY I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE AT ALL.

I LOVE THE HEART. LOVE THE COLORS.

NO. THANK YOU.

I MAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S FOUR OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR OPINIONS THAT THEY CAN EXPRESS IF THEY WISH.

YEAH, I'M NOT A BIG FAN.

IT LOOKS KIND OF.

I MEAN, I HATE TO USE THIS WORD ON THE COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIVISIVE.

IT'S KIND OF WITCHY.

THAT ALL LOOKS KIND OF, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.

SO, MR. GADSON, I, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER IDEAS WE HAVE ON WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, ENHANCE OUR ART. I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING PROPOSED.

BUT YOU BEING THE BRILLIANT MAN THAT YOU ARE, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE SOME OTHER OPTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW TO ENHANCE THE CITY'S ART SPACES.

WELL, THE PROCESS, EVERY ITEM IDEA RECOMMENDATION COMES BEFORE THE COMMISSION BASED UPON THE CONSENSUS OF THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE.

SO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY IS AS A RESULT OF THEIR GIVING ME THE CHARGE, IF YOU WILL, OR CATS AND RABBITS, TO SPEAK WITH THE ARTISTS AGAIN ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.

THAT'S WHERE THE THE PANTHER CAME IN AND THE PRESENTATION AND WHAT THEY SAW WAS DIDN'T GIVE IT THE OOMPH THAT THEY WANTED.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE OWL.

SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION I WILL TAKE YOUR REQUEST BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR.

YEAH, I THINK WE NEED A BROADER PERSPECTIVE.

I'M WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS OVER THE WEEKEND, I COULDN'T I WAS, I JUST DIDN'T I WASN'T SURE WHAT TO MAKE OF IT.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY.

AND I THINK WE'RE KIND OF, TO SOME DEGREE, NOT EXERCISING OUR FULL CREATIVE.

I DON'T KNOW. YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT YOU.

I'M SAYING THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ARTS COMMITTEE.

YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S DIRECTION.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE INNER WORKINGS ARE, BUT I THINK THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO RECONSIDER OR LOOK AT JUST KIND OF WHAT THEIR CAPACITY IS AND WHAT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

JUST GENERALLY, I FEEL LIKE THIS CONVERSATION TODAY OVER THE PUBLIC ART SPACE.

JUST OVERALL, IT APPEARS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE OPEN TO SOME OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, THE THE SCULPTURES AND THE FIXED PIECES. SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S ROOM FOR FOR JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE OR SOME OTHER IDEAS.

THANK YOU. SO BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT THREE THAT HAVE SHARED WITH YOU THAT THE OWL IS A NO GO AT THIS PRESENT TIME.

IT'S A SHAME THAT YOU SAID THE PANTHER DID NOT COME OUT WELL.

JUST STILL CURIOUS AS TO.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

JUST TAKING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.

WHY WERE WE DOING SOMETHING THERE WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER SPOTS? BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ALL THIS ARTWORK WITH JUST THE SKATE PARK.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MURALS.

YOU HAVE THE BACK OF THE BASEBALL CONCESSION STAND THAT'S GOT BEAUTIFUL ART ON IT.

YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF. SORRY, BUT I EVEN THINK OUR TURF FIELD WITH OUR LOGO IS IS A IS AN ART IN SOME RESPECTS AS WELL.

WE'VE GOT A BRAND NEW, BEAUTIFUL CONCESSION CONCESSION STAND BY THE MULTI-USE FIELD.

SO THERE'S A LOT THERE ALREADY.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME ARTWORK, THEN WE SHOULD BE SPREADING IT ALONG.

SO SINCE WE'RE NOT FLYING WITH OUR LITTLE OWL, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MADAM MAYOR JUST I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT COMMISSIONER PATTERSON IN THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE MEETING.

WE HAVE REQUESTED AS STAFF LIAISON.

WE HAVE REQUESTED THAT NEXT MEETING, THEY COME UP WITH WHATEVER IDEAS THEY WANT.

ORIGINAL IDEAS.

IT WAS NOT ABOUT SCULPTURE OR PAINTINGS OR WHATEVER.

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WE JUST ASKED THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO COME UP WITH NOVEL IDEAS OF WHATEVER THEY THINK WOULD WORK.

SO LET'S HEAR FROM THEM NEXT MONTH.

HOPEFULLY. OKAY.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

NOW TO THE MORE FUN ONE.

BECAUSE IF YOU THOUGHT THOSE TWO WERE FUN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GOING OVER TO THE INSPIRATION WAY, WHICH INSPIRATION WAY HAS HOW MANY SCULPTURES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT? 11 HERE.

THERE'S 12 PADS.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE 15 PADS.

WHAT HAPPENED OR.

NO, THERE ARE 12 PADS.

ONE OF WHICH IS BEING OCCUPIED BY ELLIE, THE WHITE ELEPHANT THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY OWNS.

SO JUST A BRIEF HISTORY OF INSPIRATION.

WAY HAS BEEN A PART OF THE CITY FOR AT LEAST FOUR YEARS.

AND THE PROCESS? THE CITY, THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE POST NATIONALLY, A CALL TO ARTISTS WITH A SET BUDGET AND ARTISTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BEING CONSIDERED FOR THEIR ART BEING DONE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.

THEY RESPOND AND PART OF THROUGH CAFÉ, WHICH IS WHO THE CITY USES AND THE PORTFOLIO IS THERE.

THE ARTISTS THEN, RATHER THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE THEN GOES THROUGH THOSE PARTICULAR SUBMISSIONS.

AND IN THIS CASE, THERE WERE 44 ARTISTS THAT SUBMITTED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

AND THEN THE COMMITTEE ULTIMATELY MAKES A DECISION AND A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IN TERMS OF BASED UPON THERE'S SOME CONTRIBUTING FACTORS FOR COMING TO THAT DECISION, AND THAT IS BASED UPON THE PADS, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PADS, EIGHT FEET BY TEN FEET IS THE THE DIMENSIONS AND OF COURSE THE HEIGHT AS WELL.

SO HAVING AGAIN BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS NOW.

KNOWING ALSO, TOO, THAT IMPACT IS IMPORTANT TO PASSERSBY.

TRAFFIC OF SO SO SIZE IS IMPORTANT AND ALSO COLOR IS IMPORTANT.

SO THOSE CONSIDERATIONS WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS THE COMMITTEE WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING THROUGH THE SUBMISSIONS AND COMING UP WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

ALRIGHTY. AND ALI IS STILL STAYING WHERE ALI IS STAYING.

WE HAVEN'T FOUND A DIFFERENT HOME FOR HER, SO SHE'S FINE THERE.

ELISE. ELISE? YES. AND HOW SOON DO THE CURRENT SCULPTURES HAVE TO LEAVE US? VERY GOOD QUESTION.

THE END OF JANUARY IS WHEN THE CURRENT SCULPTURES ARE SOON TO BE REMOVED.

AND HOPEFULLY WITH YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, THESE AS RECOMMENDED SCULPTURES WILL BE READY TO BE INSTALLED THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK IN FEBRUARY, SO WE'LL ONLY HAVE ABOUT TWO WEEKS OF INSPIRATION.

CORRECT. BEING UNINSPIRED RIGHT? SO WE KNOW, AND WE PURPOSELY BROUGHT THESE BEFORE YOU SO THAT INDEED THERE'S NOT A LONG LAG TIME AND WE WOULD HAVE BLANK PADS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER BASIC QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON DELIBERATION, SO TO SPEAK? I THINK IT WOULD IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE JUST GO ONE BY ONE AND JUST GO DOWN THE LINE AND.

RIGHT. NO, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING LAST TIME.

OKAY. SO BUT ON THIS ONE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ANY KIND OF ORGANIZATIONAL QUESTIONS ON LIGHTING AND SIZING AND MONIES STUFF THAT'S OUT OF THE WAY.

AND WE CAN NOW JUST GO THROUGH.

SO SINCE YOU'RE READY TO GO, GO FOR IT.

YOU'RE NUMBER ONE.

WE'RE CHOOSING THESE ARE 15, 11, 11, 11.

HOW MANY IN HERE? WE BROUGHT ALTERNATIVES THIS TIME.

SO JUST IN CASE SOMETHING NEEDS TO DROP, WE HAVE 11 TO TO MAKE IT TO THE END.

YOU HAVE 11. WE HAVE ALTERNATES AS WELL.

YEAH, YEAH.

OKAY, SO.

SO THE FIRST FEW THAT YOU SAW, THE FIRST 11 WERE THOSE THAT WERE ARE BEING RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE AND THEN THE OTHERS, THE ALTERNATES WOULD BE IN THE EVENT YOU WANTED TO REMOVE ONE AND REPLACE THEM WITH ANOTHER.

THE RISK WE, WE OFTENTIMES RUN INTO AS WELL IS THESE ARTISTS HAVE THEIR ART ON DISPLAY TEMPORARILY THROUGHOUT THE

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COUNTRY. SO THE SOONEST WE CAN CONFIRM WITH THEM THAT THE WORK IS AVAILABLE, THEN THEY WILL HOLD IT AND NOT.

OR SOMETIMES SOMEONE COMES AND OFFERS TO BUY IT, SO HENCE IT'S NOT AVAILABLE ANY LONGER.

SO I HAVE A BUSINESS BEFORE COMMISSIONER BOLTON GOES.

SO THE FIRST 11 PAGES HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD TWO ENTRIES.

SO YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TWO ENTRIES OUT OF THESE? YEAH, THERE WILL BE.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ARTISTS WHO'S A COUPLE OF THEIR WORKS HAVE BEEN SELECTED AND BEING RECOMMENDED.

OKAY. YES. TO MAKE UP THAT 11.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BOLTON. GO FOR IT.

OKAY. SO I DON'T LIKE THE JEFF WHIP ON PAGE 13.

OKAY. LET ME JUST GO BACK TO THAT, IF I MAY.

OKAY, HERE WE GO. YOU DON'T LIKE THE ALL OR NOTHING OF THE HIPPIE BECAUSE HE'S GOT OTHER ONES, RIGHT? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU JUST DON'T WANT ON PAGE 13.

OKAY, SO, NO, YOU DON'T LIKE ALL OR NOTHING? YEAH. ALL OR NOTHING I DON'T LIKE.

YOU LIKE ALL OR NOTHING? DOES NOT LIKE. DO NOT.

OKAY, SO WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL MAYBE IS INDICATING IN THE ONES BEING RECOMMENDED.

WHICH ONES, WHICH PARTICULAR WHICH ONES YOU DO NOT LIKE.

IN THAT WAY I CAN MAKE A NOTE.

PAGE NUMBER SIX EARTH, FIRE, WIND BY HANNAH GIBRAN AND THE ARTIST'S NAME BY HANNAH GIBRAN.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE. FIRE ONE WITHOUT A PROBLEM.

OKAY. BY HANNAH GIBRAN.

THAT'S THE ONE YOU YOU DO NOT FAVOR.

YEAH. AND ALSO, PAGE NUMBER 13.

NOT ALL OR NOTHING.

SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU FREE REIN.

BUT THOSE TWO I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE.

OUT OF EVEN THE ALTERNATES AS WELL OR NO.

YEAH, I ACTUALLY PREFER MOST OF THE ALTERNATES THAN THEY ACTUALLY.

ME TOO. THAN THE ACTUAL ONES, YEAH.

THAT'S WHY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MORE FOR THE ALTERNATES THAN SOME OF THE.

EARTH FIRE AND ALL OR NOTHING.

YEAH. SO I MEAN I'M JUST I'M GOOD WITH WITH WITH THAT.

WITH WHATEVER EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS.

I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THE TWO THAT I DON'T LIKE.

YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE NOT THE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER. DANIEL, I DON'T LIKE THE ONE WHO.

THE ONE WITH THE DUCK OR THE ONE WITH THE WIND? THE ONE WITH THE DUCK. THE ONE WITH THE WIND.

OR I COULD TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

OKAY, SO THIS PARTICULAR WIND, IT DOESN'T.

IT'S THE SAME.

ALL THE ALL OR NOTHING.

OKAY. OKAY.

RIGHT. WE GOT YOU GOT TWO THAT YOU DON'T LIKE I DON'T CARE, I DON'T.

IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. AND THE SECOND ONE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.

THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH RATE CATS.

THEY LOOK LIKE STUFF WE HAVE ALREADY HAD OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

OKAY. IS THAT THE ARTIST'S NAME? RAY. CATS. RAY.

CATS. OH.

I'M SORRY. IT'S WINTER MOON.

AND AROUND THE GATE.

IT LOOKS VERY FAMILIAR.

OKAY. LET'S SEE. WE HAVE THEM ALPHABETIZED.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE REPETITION.

THE SECOND TWO.

OKAY. IS THERE.

COULD YOU PROVIDE ME WITH THE NAME, PLEASE? DAVID. HAYES. DAVE.

DAVID HAYES. OKAY.

RIGHT HERE. THIS ONE.

I DON'T MIND THE FIRST ONE.

THE SECOND ONE. I COULD DO IT OUT, BUT I'LL GO ALONG WITH WHATEVER ANYONE SAYS.

OKAY, SO THE FIRST ONE.

TRIAD? NO, THAT'S THE SECOND ONE.

THAT'S THE ONE YOU DON'T LIKE. THAT'S THE ONE I DON'T LIKE.

THE ONE YOU DON'T LIKE. OKAY.

YEAH. AND THE ROBIN MORGAN IS OKAY.

THAT'S OKAY.

NOT THAT THE CAKES ONE WEREN'T GOOD.

THEY'RE GOOD. IT JUST LOOKED LIKE WE'VE DONE IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THAT ONE? NO, I LOVE THAT ONE.

I LOVE THE WHAT IT'S CALLED.

THE READER IS VERY NICE.

I LIKE THE BUTTERFLIES ENCHANTER.

I COULD KEEP OR NOT KEEP ROBERT COHEN WHATEVER EVERYONE ELSE WANTS I.

SAID. AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE ALTERNATIVES.

VERY NICE, VERY NICE.

WHICH ONES DID WE HAVE THE HAND ALREADY? WELL, WE HAD THAT ALREADY. WE HAD SOMETHING WITH PURPLE, SO I WOULDN'T DO THE HAND AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK I SEE.

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I THINK WE HAD IT ALREADY.

SO THE TWO THEN ARE ALL OR NOTHING IN THE TRIAD.

JUST THOSE TWO AND THE HAND AND THE ALTERNATIVES.

THE HANDS. THE HANDS GOT TO GO.

YEAH. WE DID. I THINK WE HAVE.

WE DO. OH. LUIS FERNANDEZ.

OKAY. BUT ALTERNATIVES ARE VERY DIFFERENT.

I LIKE THEM BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY I FIND VERY BEAUTIFUL.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

OKAY. NEXT. PATTERSON.

GOOD. YEAH.

I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH ONE OF THE INITIAL COMMENTS.

I ACTUALLY PREFER ALL THE MAJORITY OF THE ALTERNATES OVER ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THINK THERE'S MORE VERSATILITY THERE.

SEVERAL OF THE ONES IN THE BEGINNING THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE VERY SIMILAR.

YEAH. NOT THAT ONE.

YEAH. BUT BUT WHATEVER.

THE MAJORITY.

SO HOW LONG DO THESE INSTALLATIONS STAY FOR? A YEAR. OKAY.

YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE BOARD I WOULD PREFER THAT WE KIND OF MIX UP A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ALTERNATES VERSUS WHAT? YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY LIKE ANY OF THEM.

ALL RIGHT. FAIR ENOUGH.

YEAH. I DON'T REALLY LIKE ANY OF THEM IN THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

I MEAN, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO PICK FIVE OR SO, BUT I THINK I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD.

ALL RIGHT. SO IF I HAVE TO TELL YOU, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU I DON'T LIKE EARTH.

WIND. NOT FAVORABLE TO SOLAR SYSTEM WINTER MOON AND AROUND THE GATE LOOK LIKE THE EXACT SAME PIECE, JUST DIFFERENT COLORS. IF I WOULD.

SO EITHER ONE OF THEM WOULD BE FINE.

I'M. I'M NOT.

I'M NOT SURE.

TRIAD. I I'M NOT SURE.

SKYWALKER I COULD I COULD KEEP ALL OR NOTHING.

NOTHING. THE READER IS FINE.

BUTTERFLY ENCHANTER IS FINE.

CONTAINMENT. IS FINE.

THANK YOU.

YEAH. I LOVE THE HAND.

AND THE ALTERNATE I LOVE.

THERE'S THERE'S SOME GREAT ONES IN THE ALTERNATE.

DON'T YOU AGREE, GEORGE? ART IS VERY SUBJECTIVE.

WELL, I'M GOING TO GO BY THE ALTERNATE.

SO GO FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP.

I GO ALL THE WAY DOWN BECAUSE.

I GO BACKWARDS.

I KNOW, KEEP GOING. I WANT YOU TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END.

ALL RIGHT. PARTS.

I'M GOING TO GO WITH WHAT I LIKE.

I LIKE THE HEART'S FEELING OF LOVE IN OUR CITY.

THAT'S MELINDA HOFFMAN, MELINDA HOFFMAN OUT OF THE TWO WOODWORKS.

THE OTHER ONE, BASIC 21.

AT LEAST IT'S GOT SOME IDEA.

THE OTHER ONE MADE ME FEEL LIKE I WAS DRIVING BY A TRUCK THAT HAD WOODWORK GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE, SO IT DIDN'T HAVE MUCH FOR ME.

NICOLE, BACK OUT OF THE TWO THAT SHE HAD.

I WAS A LITTLE SCARED OF THE BOTTOM OF WHAT SHE LIKE THE.

I'D EITHER GO FOR EITHER ONE OR THE ASTEROID.

EITHER ONE OF THEM.

I WOULD GO WITH WHICHEVER ONE IS LARGER, WHICH LOOKS LIKE.

BUT. SO WITH NICOLE, COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE? SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A DETAIL OF THE LARGE.

IT SHOWS YOU THE BOTTOM.

YEAH. OF THE BOTTOM. RIGHT.

29 AND 31.

SO THAT ONE. OKAY. EITHER THE EIGHT.

BUT I THINK THE ASTEROID IS BIGGER.

AND SO THE ONLY THING I'D BE CONCERNED WITH IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS SCOOPED OUT.

SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE RUDE AND PUT THEIR GARBAGE IN IT, IT GETS CLEANED OUT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE HAVE JUST BECOME WHATEVER.

SO EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO, YOU CAN JUST FLY PAST 28.

I'M SORRY.

YOU CAN KEEP GOING.

LET'S GO TO I LIKE.

PARDON US. I JUST SAW IT WAS KIND OF INAPPROPRIATE IN A WAY.

IT WAS A LITTLE FRIGHTFUL.

BUT ANYWAY, I LIKE 24.

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WINTER BLOOM. 24.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH 27 IF WE.

IF IT'S NEED BE.

I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GO THROUGH AND CLEAN OUT WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STICK IN THE MIDDLE.

I KNOW I SOUND VERY, BUT I HEAR THE COMPLAINTS.

WHILE THIS HAND IS NICER.

THIS HANDS HAS SOME GOOD DETAIL.

WE HAVE A HAND NOW, AND WE HAVE HER HAND FOR MICHELLE AND MARLON.

OH, I HADN'T EVEN SEEN IT THAT WAY.

AND HOW ABOUT MAUREEN? AND HOW ABOUT MAURY? YEAH. THREE MS MARLON.

YEAH, BUT IT'S NOTHING AGAINST YOU.

MARLON. I'M GOING TO SAY NO.

THANK YOU FOR THE HAND. NO TO THE HAND.

NO TO THE HAND.

ODSTONE IS INTERESTING.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

THE RED PEDALS LOOKS LIKE THE TOP OF A CROWN FOR A ROOSTER.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

KEEP GOING.

WELL, I THINK THE BUTTERFLIES IS NICE.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE SIZE.

IT HAS TO BE ON A PEDESTAL.

AND IS IT GOING TO BE SEEN? THESE ARE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING GOING INTO A PLACE WHERE SOMEBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COME AND LOOK AT IT.

BUT IF WE NEED A FILLER, I'D BE VERY MUCH HAPPY TO SAY PUT BUTTERFLIES IN THE READER.

I WOULD WANT TO ASK JEFF TO PUT UP A BOOKSHELF, SO IT MAKES A LITTLE SENSE TO WHY HE'S LIKE THIS WITH THE BOOK, BUT IT'S FINE.

IT'S ALSO A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST HAS THE APPEARANCE OF SOME HEIGHT.

OH, GOD. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BOY.

IT IS A LITTLE BOY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I'M NOT EVEN GOING THERE.

I DON'T KNOW. THE ALL OR NOTHING REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF SOHO, SO I HAD NO REAL PROBLEM WITH IT.

SKYWALKER DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

TRIAD. NO. YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DON'T LIKE IT.

SO IT'S OUT.

ROUGE NOIR.

ENOUGH PEOPLE SAID THEY DIDN'T CARE FOR IT.

BUT I DON'T CARE. I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

SAME THING. I HAD A PROBLEM WITH TRIAD BECAUSE.

WHAT WAS THE TRIAD? IT LOOKED LIKE A. ANYWAY SO, RAY KATZ, AS HAVE BEEN SAID AROUND THE GAME AND WINTER MOON, WE'VE HAD THEM.

BUT IF WE NEED FILLER, I'D HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH EITHER ONE OF THESE.

SAME THING WITH HANNAH.

WE'VE HAD HANNAH STUFF HERE BEFORE.

I PERSONALLY DIDN'T MIND EARTH, WIND AND FIRE, BUT THERE'S A FEW THAT DON'T SO DON'T CARE.

SO THEN PUT IN A SOLAR SYSTEM IF WE NEED FULL FILL OR WE LEAVE THE PATHS THAT WE CAN'T FILL EMPTY.

IT'S EARTH, FIRE AND WIND, NOT EARTH, WIND AND FIRE.

FIRE THE BAND. THIS IS EARTH.

WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T WANT TO GET SUED.

WE DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THERE WAS A WHOLE BIG SCULPTURE OF THE BAND BECAUSE WE HAD EARTH, WIND AND FIRE FOR OUR 50TH ANNIVERSARY PARTY IN THE CITY, DIDN'T WE? PRETTY GOOD. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY OPINIONS, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

DEPARTMENT. DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING? THE ANSWER IS NO. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH TO GET US TO THE 11 THAT WE NEED.

NO. THE GOAL IS TO FILL THE PADS.

YES. GEORGE KNOWS WHAT NOT TO PUT THERE.

OKAY, SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

IS THERE ANY SCULPTURE THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE OTHER THAN THE HANDS? BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TOLD NO TO THE HAND BY RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE THINKING OF PURCHASING? NO, MA'AM. OKAY, GOOD.

NOTHING. SORRY.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE OF THOSE THAT YOU THINK NEEDS A SECOND TERM? NO, MA'AM. ALL RIGHTY.

THAT'S IN TWO YEARS. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT TO.

I THINK I SAID TURN, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

BUT TERM IS WORKS AS WELL FOR WHATEVER IT'S GOING AROUND THE SUN IN THIS PLACE.

IF YOU'RE GOOD, RUN WHILE YOU CAN.

WE ARE NOW DONE WITH.

ARE WE GOOD? COMMISSIONER ARE WE GOOD WITH THE DIRECTIVES THAT'S BEEN SET? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

SO IT IS NOW 227.

I THINK WE GO TO ONE OF THE EASIEST ONES ON THE DOCKET, SO WE CAN AT LEAST SAY WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ANOTHER ONE.

ONE F SELECTION OF VICE MAYOR DISCUSSION PRESENTED BY OUR CITY CLERK, KIMBERLY DILLON.

[1.f Selection of the Vice Mayor Discussion Presented by City Clerk, Kimberly Dillon]

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

SO THIS IS A YEARLY ROUTINE ITEM PER OUR CITY CHARTER WHERE VICE MAYOR SERVE FOR A YEAR.

AND WE ARE AT THAT TIME WHERE I NEED CONSENSUS FOR THE FROM THE BODY TO SELECT A MEMBER OF THE BODY TO SERVE AS VICE MAYOR FOR 2425.

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AND THAT NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION THAT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY'S MEETING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DOCTOR.

KEISHA. DANIEL, IT IS KEISHA DANIEL THAT WE'VE ALREADY AGREED UPON.

YEAH. LET'S MOVE ON.

CAN I DO A SPEECH? WHY DON'T YOU DO IT WEDNESDAY NIGHT WEDNESDAY NIGHT? WEDNESDAY NIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, AT LEAST YOU'RE NOT ALSO REQUIRING A WHOLE ARM ANYWAY.

COMMISSIONER BOLTON KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

OKAY, IN ALL IN GOOD FUN.

IF YOU CAN'T LAUGH AT YOURSELF, THEN WHAT CAN YOU LAUGH AT? YAY! SEE, IT DIDN'T EVEN TAKE A MINUTE.

LET'S GO TO ANOTHER ONE. THAT'S GOING TO BE, I THINK, FAIRLY QUICK OR SHOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK.

[1.g 2025 Commission Meeting & Workshop Schedule Discussion Presented by City Clerk, Kimberly Dillon]

1G2 2025 COMMISSION MEETING WORKSHOP SCHEDULED DISCUSSION.

SO WHILE JIM IS BRINGING UP THE PRESENTATION PREVIOUS COMMISSION BODY HAD ASKED THAT WE LOOK AT THE MEETING SCHEDULE FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR AND TO BRING FORTH THE MEETINGS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY HOLIDAY.

AND SO FOR THE 25 OF SCHEDULED, THE 2025 COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE, THERE ARE THREE MEETINGS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY A HOLIDAY.

AND SO I HAVE IT HERE, THE THREE MEETINGS, THE MEETING DATES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED, AND A PROPOSED MEETING DATE.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE SEPTEMBER 24TH REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING THAT IS IMPACTED BY ROSH HASHANAH.

AND THE PROPOSED DATE FOR THAT MEETING IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 25TH.

THE NEXT ONE IS THE COP.

THAT'S OCTOBER 8TH REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING, AND THE PROPOSED DATE IS FOR THURSDAY, OCTOBER 9TH.

THE NEXT MEETING IS THE DECEMBER 24TH.

AND THOUGH THAT MEETING IS USUALLY CANCELED, IT'S NORMALLY COME TO THE COMMISSION LATER IN THE YEAR FOR CANCELLATION.

BUT BECAUSE IT'S ON A HOLIDAY, I WAS BRINGING THAT FORWARD SO THE COMMISSION CAN MOVE THE MEETING DATE OR WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CANCEL THAT MEETING.

IF THAT'S THE IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CANCEL THE MEETING FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER, AS WELL AS THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER THAT WE USUALLY CANCEL LATER ON IN THE YEAR.

SOUNDS GOOD. SO I'M JUST GOING TO I APPRECIATE THIS AND I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THERE I APPRECIATE REGARDING SCOTT.

THE JEWISH HOLIDAYS START AT NIGHT, SO THE NO WORK IS NOT PERMITTED.

FROM THE EVENING OF THE SIXTH THROUGH THE EVENING OF THE SEVENTH TO THE EVENING OF THE EIGHTH.

CONSIDERING SUNDOWN DURING THIS TIME OF YEAR WILL BE AROUND THAT TIME.

IT'S A IT'S A WEDNESDAY NIGHT MEETING SO WE START AT SEVEN.

SO I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM KEEPING IT ON THE EIGHTH.

I BELIEVE THE JEWISH FAITH WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S AT THE EVENING.

BY THAT TIME, THE HOLIDAY FOR WHERE NO WORK IS PERMITTED, NOT PERMITTED IS OVER.

SO YOU CAN WORK. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO UNLESS THE COMMISSION REALLY WANTS TO KEEP IT ON THURSDAY.

SO PERSONALLY, I'M, I WOULD SAY THE 24TH.

MOVE IT TO THE 25TH.

I SAY LET'S CANCEL THE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER RIGHT NOW.

LET'S BE REALISTIC. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY FOR THANKSGIVING AND FOR CHRISTMAS.

AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST DO THE SUMMER HOLIDAYS AS WELL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE CALENDAR COMPLETE NOW VERSUS LATER ON.

IF NOBODY'S OPPOSED TO AMENDING IT, TO SAY, THE DATES IN JULY TO AUGUST THAT WE CANCEL.

SO THE ITEM COMES TO THE COMMISSION IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION THAT ONE HAS TO BE A RESOLUTION.

OKAY. SO THE NOT THE CANCELLATIONS, BUT THE FOUR WEEK, FOUR WEEK HIATUS THAT NORMALLY COMES IN APRIL, BUT THE SUMMER HIATUS THAT NORMALLY COMES TO YOU IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION.

YES. SO WE CAN.

BUT OKAY, SO I GUESS WE CAN'T DO THE SUMMER ONE BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS TO BE RESOLUTION CONSENSUS.

IT'S WE CAN'T BRING IT ALL.

WE CAN'T BRING IT NOW, BY CONSENSUS, IS WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

IT'S NOT BY CONSENSUS. IT'S IN THE FORM OF RESOLUTION.

WE HAVE TO DO A VOTE, BUT YOU CAN BRING IT AT THE SAME TIME THAT.

SO THESE CANCELLATIONS, THEY'RE BY CONSENSUS.

I'M SAYING THAT THE HIATUS THAT'S IN THE SUMMER, THAT ITEM NORMALLY COMES TO YOU IN APRIL AND IT CAN COME EARLIER, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESOLUTION DRAFTED FOR THAT TIME FRAME YET. SO THEN OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY, WE CAN BRING IT.

YOU CAN BRING IN THE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE HIATUS, SUMMER HIATUS, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW I'VE THROWN ON THE TABLE CHANGING ROSH HASHANAH MEETING TO THURSDAY, KEEPING OCTOBER 8TH, CANCELING DECEMBER 24TH, AND CANCELING THANKSGIVING WEEK BY

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CONSENSUS. SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSENSUS, THEN, IS THE 24TH, BECAUSE WE'RE KEEPING OCTOBER 28TH, WE'RE KEEPING OCTOBER, OCTOBER 8TH, AND THEN WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSENSUS ON THE 24TH AND REMOVAL OF CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING BY CONSENSUS NOW.

OKAY. CAN I JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, ON MARCH 10TH THROUGH TO 12 THE CONGRESSIONAL CONFERENCE IS HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON, DC, AND DC HAS CHANGED, ACCORDING TO OUR CONGRESSWOMAN SHEILA MCCORMICK.

AND WE MAY NEED MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN WASHINGTON.

AND THAT HAPPENS, LIKE, RIGHT ON A COMMISSION MEETING EVENING.

SO IF WE SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF OF THAT CONGRESSIONAL CONFERENCE FOR THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, I'M SURE A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS WOULD WANT TO GO.

I'M I'M PERSONALLY GOING TO GO.

SO I'D MISS THAT MEETING.

AND WE ALL WE ALSO DURING THAT TIME DO LOBBYING WORK IN WASHINGTON.

WE'VE SEEN THE RESULTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM LOBBYING IN WASHINGTON.

AND I THINK BECAUSE WASHINGTON HAS CHANGED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PRESENCE SINCE THEY'RE.

SO WHILE WE'RE AT IT AND LOOKING AT MEETINGS, IF WE COULD LOOK AT MARCH 12TH TO TO MOVE THAT MEETING MAYBE THE WEEK BEFORE OR THE WEEK AFTER.

SO I HAVE PERSONALLY NO PROBLEM MOVING IT.

I'M GOING TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT WE JUST DID AN ORDINANCE ON, WHICH WAS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE STATE OF THE CITY, THAT MEETING IN MARCH.

IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, THEN WE JUST NEED TO MAKE IT KNOWN NOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER ARTICLE HAS JUST GONE OUT BECAUSE WE PRINT AHEAD OF TIME BY THREE MONTHS SAYING THAT WE'RE HAVING THE STATE OF THE CITY THAT WEDNESDAY NIGHT THAT WE WOULD BE GONE OR THE POTENTIAL MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE GONE.

SO I THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR CONVERSATIONAL PURPOSE, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AS A CITY CITY MANAGER.

GO AHEAD. WHEN DO YOU PLAN TO TRAVEL? FOR THE CONFIDENCE.

IT'S THAT WHOLE WEEK.

IT'S USUALLY. IT REALLY IS.

IT'S. THAT'S WHY I WAS TELLING YOU THAT WHEN WE WERE FIRST TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE STATE OF THE CITY, IT'S USUALLY THAT WEEK.

IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ALL THESE PAST YEARS, THE STATE OF THE CITY HAS GOT BUMPED FROM JANUARY TO FEBRUARY.

MARCH. WE COULD NEVER WIND UP HAVING IT.

AND WE WOUND UP HAVING IT IN APRIL BECAUSE WE HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS GOING ON.

SO IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN VIOLATION OF OUR ORDINANCE, I DON'T CARE.

MOVING IT UP A WEEK IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OUR COMMISSION MEETING UP A WEEK, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T FALL INTO ANY OTHER HOLIDAY.

SO WITH THE MOVEMENT OF THE MEETING, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT OUR CODE STATES THAT THE MEETING MUST BE DONE WITHIN THREE DAYS PRIOR OR THREE DAYS AFTER THE SCHEDULED DATE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE THE MARCH 12TH MEETING, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE PLACE AROUND THE FRIDAY THE SEVENTH OR THE FOLLOWING WEEK, THE 17.

I MEAN, WE'RE PLANNING WAY AHEAD, SO WE PROBABLY KNOW.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE A TIME FRAME, A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME IN WHICH WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT MEETING.

YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING FOR STAFF PURPOSES, WE'RE WE'RE PLANNING AHEAD NOW.

IT'S LIKE FOUR MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

SO MAYBE WE JUST NOT HAVE A MEETING THAT EVENING.

AND THEN I'M NOT SAYING I, I'M NOT SAYING I OBJECT, I'M JUST ASKING.

SO BECAUSE THE STATE OF THE CITY COULD PROBABLY BE ON THE 26TH AND THEN IT'S A IT'S A MORNING.

WE CAN'T MAKE THAT A MORNING MEETING.

IT'S A NIGHT MEETING. WE CAN'T MAKE IT A NIGHT MEETING THE 26TH.

IT'S THERE WAS A RULE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULDN'T WE COULDN'T DO IT WHEN WE TRIED IT LAST TIME.

WE WIND UP HAVING CONFLICT WITH THE OTHER EVENTS THAT WE WIND UP CELEBRATING.

THAT'S BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

I'M JUST SAYING WE JUST CHANGED THE.

I'M NOT I DON'T I'M NOT COMPLAINING.

I JUST WANT WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO.

LET'S JUST. SINCE WE'RE TALKING CALENDAR, LET'S JUST FIGURE IT OUT.

DO WE NEED TO NOW DO THAT BY RESOLUTION, SINCE WE JUST CHANGED IT BY RESOLUTION, GIVING US BACK TO THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE COULD DO IT BY APRIL? I DON'T CARE.

CAN WE CAN WE CANCEL THAT MEETING AND THEN CALL FOR ANOTHER MEETING FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK? WE CAN THE BODY CAN SELECT A NEW MEETING DATE.

IT'S JUST THAT IF WE CANCEL THE MEETING, WE HAVE TO.

PER OUR CODE, THE MEETING MUST BE HELD THREE DAYS PRIOR OR THREE DAYS AFTER.

OR NO MEETING AT ALL OR NO MEETING AT ALL.

THAT'S THE NIGHT MEETING. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEETING IN THE NEXT THREE DAYS, IT'S NO MEETING.

IT'S A NEW MEETING THAT WE'RE ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE NOT A LAWYER? ATTORNEY? I'LL ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO OPINE.

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I'LL LET YOU GUYS MAKE THOSE CALLS.

YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK FOR NOW, WE CAN JUST CANCEL THAT MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE.

WE'RE PLANNING IN SUCH AN ADVANCE.

WE MAY NOT HAVE AN AGENDA ITEMS OR IF WE HAVE AGENDA ITEMS, WE HAVE ONE AGENDA ITEM THAT'S ALREADY SET IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT'S SET BY THE STATE OF THE CITY.

SO BUT I'M SAYING THE STATE OF THE CITY CAN BE AN EVENT THAT WE DO BY ITSELF.

OKAY. AND I'M THINKING THAT AS LONG AS WHATEVER YOU WROTE FOR THAT ORDINANCE THINGY THAT WE'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF PAPERWORK, WE JUST SAID IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM.

IT'S WRITTEN, ACTUALLY.

IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR THING.

YOU SAID THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING.

IT'S ON THE FIRST. IT'S THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH.

YEAH. SO YOU CAN CALL IT.

YOU JUST CALL A SPECIAL MEETING FOR STATE OF THE CITY.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO DO IT? JUST LIKE WE HAVE TO CANCEL? OUR WE HAVE TO DO OUR VACATION, OUR HIATUS TIME BY ORDINANCE, AS THIS WAS PUT INTO AN ORDINANCE.

IS THAT TO REQUIRE ORDNANCE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. ONE SOME DO AND SOME DON'T, BUT WHATEVER.

YEAH. SO WE WOULD CANCEL THE MEETING THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH, AND THEN WE WOULD CALL FOR A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK FOR THAT SOLE PURPOSE.

JUST. IT'S NOT A COMMISSION MEETING.

IT'S A STATE OF THE CITY MEETING.

IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING, RIGHT? THAT'S FINE. MY QUESTION WAS, DID WE NEED TO DO THAT BY ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE JUST CHANGED THE ORDINANCE? I UNDERSTAND, MA'AM. WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU, THAT WE CAN WE CAN CANCEL, MEET, AS THE MANAGER INDICATED, AND CALL A SPECIAL MEETING JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE STATE OF THE CITY.

OKAY, FINE.

OKAY. MADAM CLERK, ARE YOU GOOD? WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIX THE TIMEFRAME AGAIN.

OKAY, SO THAT'S.

WE GOT HERE.

YOU'RE GOOD WITH WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

ANY THOUGHTS? COMMENTS? ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US THE DATE FOR THIS SPECIAL MEETING OR THE QUANTITY, THEN WILL.

YES. ONCE THE DATE IS SET, THEN WE'LL ADD.

IT'LL BE IN MARCH. SO PROBABLY THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY.

SO AT THIS TIME I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE MEETING OF THE 24TH IS NOW ON THE 25TH OF SEPTEMBER.

THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. CONSENSUS.

THE OCTOBER 8TH WILL REMAIN OCTOBER 8TH.

AND THEN WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO CANCEL THE NOVEMBER AND THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND SOMETIME IN JANUARY, YOU'RE GOING TO BRING US THE ITEM FOR THE HIATUS, AS WELL AS THE CANCELLATION OF THE MARCH MEETING AND THE POTENTIAL DATE FOR THAT MEETING. THE SPECIAL MEETING THAT WILL BE HELD IN MARCH.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

IT TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN ANTICIPATED, BUT IT WAS STILL QUICKER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TODAY.

EVERYBODY OKAY TO CONTINUE ON? OKAY. I THINK I THINK WE CAN DO ONE I THINK. I THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE, I APPRECIATE IT.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO STAY AS LONG.

NOT TO SAY THAT BOARDS AND COMMITTEES DISCUSSION IS NOT IMPORTANT, BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE THE VERY LAST ONE IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO FOR TIMELY BASIS.

TAMARAC SCHOLARS PROGRAM WILL BE AFTER THE FOLLOWING ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION ONE, A DISCUSSION DIRECTION ON ALLOCATION OF WOODLANDS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT $925,000 DEVELOPER

[1.a Discussion and Direction on allocation of the Woodlands Development Agreement $925,000 Developer Contribution for Distribution to Various Homeowner Associations Impacted by the Development of the Project (Paragraph 21(c)). Presented by Deputy City Manager Calloway]

CONTRIBUTION FOR DISTRIBUTION TO VARIOUS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT.

PARAGRAPH 21 C AND THIS IS BEING PRESENTED BY DEPUTY CITY MANAGER MAXINE GALLOWAY.

AND MADAM MAYOR, I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON ON HER BEHALF.

OKAY. SO IT'S ACTUALLY YOU DID, YOU KNOW, DID DO THE INTRODUCTION THAT I WAS GOING TO DO.

SO IT'S SECTION BROUGHT TO US BY OUR CITY MANAGER, LEVENT.

THERE YOU GO. AND THEN THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

SO IN YOUR BACKUP, WE PROVIDED A SIMPLE MAP WITH A MILE RADIUS OF THE PROJECT AREA, AND WE LISTED THE NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES.

AND YOU KNOW, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, WE ALSO COLLECTED THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN EACH.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THEM ON THE SCREEN AND, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU HAVE YOUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE THOSE FUNDS, THE $925,000.

AND THEN AS YOU MAKE AS YOU CONSENSUS AS YOU HAVE CONSENSUS ON, ON EACH CONTRIBUTION, WE'RE GOING TO ADD THEM TO THE, TO THE REPORT.

AND SO WE'LL SHOW THAT ON THE SCREEN.

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