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IS NINE THIRTY ONE. HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A FANTASTIC WEEKEND. WE ARE GOING TO ASK PAT TO ALL THE ROYAL COMMISSION. BOLTON IS NOT HERE YET. COMMISSIONER GALEN ISN'T HERE YET. COMMISSIONER FISHMAN. HERE. GOOD MORNING THERE. GOMEZ GOOD MORNING. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND AND WE WILL BE LED. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY VICE MAYOR DE. BLASIO USED BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NOT ONLY FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. WE WILL GO TO T OUR 1 3 2 9 4 PROSPECT ROAD MOBILITY IMPROVEMENT
[1. TR13294 - Prospect Road Mobility Improvement Project Update]
PROJECT. MR. LOPES R U R U OF ROBERT LOPEZ P THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WILL BE PRESENTING HELLO. MY NAME'S ROB LOPEZ WITH THE FLORIDA DUTY. I HAD A SHORT PRESENTATION WITH IS IT LOADED SERVICES WHO DID YOU GIVE IT TO MAXINE RIGHT. YEAH I'LL SEE YOU SOON. NEXT. I DON'T. SHE GOT THE NORM YOU KNOW HER BUT NO. WOULD YOU LIKE IS HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO SET IT UP IS IT QUICK OKAY. OH IT'LL JUST TAKE A MINUTE. I DIDN'T IF YOU WANTED TO SWEAR I KNOW IF YOU WANNA LOSE FAST MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA JUST ABOUT AS SOON AS IT'S LOADED OR WHAT. THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS DO WE WANT TO GO INTO A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX FEASIBILITY STUDY FIRST SWAP IT AROUND. OH LOOK LET'S JUST GIVE HIM OKAY. WE'LL GIVE HIM AND EVEN YOUR CHARACTER WORK AT THE FDA. BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE. OKAY. I WOULDN'T DO COMEDY. HOW MANY JAB OR A THUMBS UP THIS GUY HAS A FEVER COMEDY AT FDA TV. IF I HAD A SCREW. I PUT THIS IN RACE AS. WELL SOME MEETING IN RECESS WHILE WE WAIT. YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL GET INTO A BAR. IT'LL JUST BE A MINUTE. YEAH. PLEASE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONERS VOTES AND COMMISSION GONE ARE HERE. THANK YOU OK I CAN I CAN START QUICK. THIS SHOULD GO PRETTY FAST. OK HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT STATE ROAD 7 TRANSIT CORRIDOR WHICH INVOLVES A PROJECT ON PROSPECT ROAD FOR THE CITY OF TAMARA JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT BACKGROUND FIRST. THIS IS A BACK IN 2016. THE BROWARD MPO APPROVED A LARGE TRANSIT STUDY THAT MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MULTIPLE TRANSIT ENHANCEMENTS ALONG THE STATE ROAD SEVEN IN BROWARD COUNTY. THESE ENHANCEMENTS WERE TARGETED TO ENHANCE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE ALONG STATE ROAD SEVEN AND ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WAS PROSPECT ROAD MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS FROM STATE ROAD 7 TO COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD. THE TWO MAIN OBJECTIVES OF THE PROJECT IS TO PROVIDE BIKE LANES ALONG PROSPECT ROAD FROM STATE ROAD SEVEN TO COMMERCIAL AND TO FILL IN GAPS OF THE SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY FROM STATE ROAD SEVEN TO NW THIRTY SIXTH AVENUE. THE CURRENT FUNDING IS FIVE HUNDRED SEVENTY SIX THOUSAND FOUR DESIGN AND ABOUT THREE POINT TWO MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION. THE PROJECT SCHEDULE IS.WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING A DESIGN TEAM TO BEGIN THE PROJECT AND THE DESIGN PLANS SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY THE PRODUCTION DATE YOU SEE THERE DECEMBER 20 21 AND THE PROJECT WILL HAVE A CONTRACTOR SELECTED BY THE LETTING DATE OF JULY 20 20 TO THIS. FOR ANYONE WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. THIS IS JUST A MAP OF THE AREA OF. YOU CAN SEE THE THREE MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH. THEY'RE INVOLVED NORTH LAUDERDALE BROWARD COUNTY AND CITY OF TAMARACK. THE PROJECT IS BASICALLY DIVIDED INTO TWO SEGMENTS WEST OF NORTHWEST THIRTY FIRST AVENUE IT HAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER SPEED LIMIT 45 MILES PER HOUR AND EAST OF NW THIRTY FIRST AVENUE WHICH IS 35 MILES PER HOUR. AS YOU CAN SEE WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT
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SIX TO FIVE FOOT BIKE LANES. THE PORTIONS THAT ARE OWNED BY A CITY OF TAMARACK IS FOR ONE. THE NORTHWEST FIFTY THIRD STREET WHICH IS OWNED BY TAMARACK WHICH MOST LIKELY WE WILL BE BUILDING WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY. AND I BELIEVE TAMARA ALSO OWNS PORTIONS OF THE S CURVE PROSPECT ROAD AS WELL. THE EXACT LIMITS. WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED YET. WE DON'T HAVE THE MAPS READY YET. BUT I BELIEVE TAMARA ALSO OWNS PORTIONS OF THE S CURVE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN YELLOW THERE. THOSE ARE LIKE THE MISSING LINKS OF THE SIDEWALK THAT WE WILL BE ATTEMPTING TO FILL IN AS PART OF THE PROJECT. THE FIRST PRIORITY WILL BE THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND IF THERE IS ANY RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE WILL ATTEMPT TO ALSO PUT THE SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AS WELL. WE MET WITH THE CITY EARLIER ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT THE CITY REQUESTED US TO ALSO LOOK AT WAS ACCESS TO CAP OR ELA PARK TO SEE IF IT MID BLOCK CROSSING COULD BE WARRANTED. WE'VE COORDINATED THIS WITH THE BROWARD COUNTY I HAVE THE RESULTS OF THAT RIGHT HERE AS WELL TO LOOK AT DIF MID BLOCK CROSSING AS WARRANTED. WE BASICALLY LOOK AT TWO THINGS WE LOOK AT THE VOLUME VOLUME OF PEDESTRIANS AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE SAFETY IS IT CURRENTLY SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS RIGHT NOW OR IS IT HAZARDOUS WHERE SOME TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD SUGGEST TO LOOK AT THAT SAFETY WE LOOK AT VEHICLE SPEEDS AND THE VOLUME OF VEHICLES TO SEE IF THERE'S A SAFE GAP FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE TABLE ABOVE MOST VEHICLES ARE TRAVELING ABOUT IT THE VEHICLE'S SPEED THE HIGH SIDE WHICH IS THE EIGHTY SEVEN THE EIGHTY FIFTH PERCENTILE WE HAVE ABOUT THIRTY SEVEN MILE PER HOUR SPEED OF VEHICLES TRAVELING AND THE AVERAGE SPEED 50 PERCENTILE. YOU CAN SEE ABOUT TWENTY NINE MILES PER HOUR AND THIRTY ONE MILES PER HOUR RESPECTIVELY AND THE VOLUME OF VEHICLES AND OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THERE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A HAZARD TO PEDESTRIANS CROSSING BY THEMSELVES. LIKEWISE THE VOLUMES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THE MAXIMUM PEDESTRIAN CROSSING VOLUME IS ABOUT SEVEN PEDESTRIANS PER HOUR. IT'S CLOSER TO ABOUT 20 PER HOUR THAT WARRANT CROSSING BASED ON THIS THE CROSSING WAS NOT WAS NOT WARRANTED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. SO AGAIN LET ME COME TO THE END. THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE CITY ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO ENDORSE AND MEMORIALIZE THE CITY'S SUPPORT FOR THE PLANT IMPROVEMENTS WHEREAS THE CITY SUPPORTS THE MPO PLANS TO IMPROVE PROSPECT ROAD. THE CITY AGREES TO ALLOW F.D.A. TO PERFORM THE DESIGN OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ON ITS ITS BEHALF AND IT IS THE INTENT OF THE CITY TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY WITHIN ITS JURISDICTIONAL LIMITS UPON THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT. THAT SAID I'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISHMAN HAS FOR IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SLIDE RIGHT BEFORE THIS WHEN BECAUSE THE CITY'S GOT PLANS TO TAKE OVER THOSE TWO VACANT PARCELS TO POSSIBLY DO. EXPANSION OF CAPITAL PARK WHEN THAT HAPPENS IF I WOULD BELIEVE THAT THE FINDINGS FOR A CROSSWALK IN THAT AREA WOULD CHANGE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY CREATE THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO PARCELS. PARK WILL F. DOT UNDERTAKE A DIFFERENCE AN ADDITIONAL STUDY WHEN THAT HAPPENS. WELL OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A WOULD HAVE TO BE INITIATED BY BROWARD COUNTY SINCE MOST OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS OWNED BY BROWARD COUNTY F.D.A. AT THIS MOMENT IS ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE BROWARD COUNTY MPO SO I MEAN ANOTHER STUDY CAN BE LOOKED AT DURING THE TIME OF THE BETWEEN NOW AND 2021 WHEN THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE. SO ANYTIME DURING THAT ANOTHER EVALUATION CAN BE PERFORMED AND THE BIGGEST THING ABOUT THIS THOUGH IS YOU CAN SEE EVEN THOUGH THAT CROSSING IS VERY CLOSE TO THE T INTERSECTION OF PROSPECT AND IT NW FIFTY ONE I GUESS EARTH FIFTY THIRD THIRD THIRD YEAH IT'S FIFTY THIRD[00:10:07]
AND YOU KNOW IT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT EVEN THOUGH WE PROBABLY WON'T BE DOING THAT MID BLOCK CROSSING WE CAN PROBABLY TRY TO IMPROVE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE THAT IS ALREADY A STOP CONTROLLED INTERSECTION AND THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO CROSSWALKS THERE. PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE WHICH WE WILL BE INTRODUCING SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND IF YOU LOOK THAT'S PROBABLY THAT INTERSECTION IS WHERE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITIES THE HOUSES ARE. SO WE COULD FACILITATE A CROSSING AT THAT POINT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. ACTUALLY I HAD THE SAME KIND OF COMMENTS ON MINE BECAUSE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT THE TWO VACANT PARCELS THAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP LEFT WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF PLANS FOR REDESIGNING THAT PARK AND MAKING IT VERY ACTIVE. WE'RE HOPING OUR DESIGNS WILL WORK WITH THE TWO OTHER PARCELS BUT WE PLAN ON HAVING THAT BECOME MUCH MORE ACTIVE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS. SO YES PLEASE OUR CITY WILL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO FOR THAT AREA TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE TO CROSS THAT AREA BECAUSE LET'S BE REALISTIC PEOPLE WILL BE AT A LIGHT HERE AND THEY'RE STANDING HERE AND THEY'RE CROSSING THE MIDDLE STREET.THEY DON'T CARE TO GO TO THE LIGHT. SO WHILE THERE MAY BE A BETTER CROSSWALK WHICH HOPEFULLY SO WE'LL PUT IT ON FIFTY THIRD PLEASE INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR DESIGN THOUGHTS FOR US. THERE'S MY COLLEAGUES AREN'T. LET'S GET GOING. WE HAVE THE LITTLE NUMBERS YOURSELF FLIP SO I GOING ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE ISOLATED BUS STOP WITH NO SIDEWALK OR BUS PAD ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES. YEAH. ARE YOU GOING TO BE PUTTING ONE IN. IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN A BUS STOP AT THE SHELTER OR THERE IS A BUS STOP THERE. RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PAD. WE WILL PROBABLY PUT IN A PAD AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT SIDEWALK CONTINUOUS ON BOTH SIDES. IF WE CAN'T IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO GET IT CONTINUOUS ON BOTH SIDES WE WILL TRY TO AT LEAST GET A SIDEWALK TO CONNECT TO THAT BUS PAD. WE ALSO TRY TO PUT A SHELTER THERE. THE SHELTER OF MY SHELTER OF SOME KIND. THE SHELTER WOULD BE THE DECISION OF BROWARD COUNTY TRANSIT. YOU KNOW WE CAN INSTALL ONE IF WE RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THAT FROM EITHER BROWARD COUNTY TRANSIT OR FROM CITY. WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THOUGH THE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO THIS WOULD COME THROUGH THE ANY STAFF TAX DOLLARS AND POSSIBLY AND OUR CITY WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT REQUEST TO THE COUNTY. YEAH. YEAH. IF AS LONG AS WE GET THE FUNDING FOR IT AND AND LIKEWISE THEN MAINTENANCE COMMITMENT WHETHER BROWARD COUNTY TRANSIT IS GOING TO MAINTAIN IT OR THE CITY IS GOING TO MAINTAIN IT WE COULD HAVE THAT INSTALLED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. WE'D HAVE TO PROGRAM THAT IS A LOCAL LOCAL FUND COMMITMENT WHICH IT DOES REQUIRE US TO.
IT'S NOT JUST THE MONEY. WE ALSO HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER THE BUDGET FOR IT SO IT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN PRETTY MUCH THIS YEAR THAT WE GET THAT COMMITMENT SO WE CAN PUT THE BUDGET IN PLACE BY NEXT YEAR OR IN MARATHON. IF WE'RE GOING TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE COUNTY ASKING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. WELL WE'RE GONNA SEND HIM A LETTER ABOUT ALL OF THIS. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT'S ALL WITHIN BROWARD COUNTY PURVIEW AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUND THAT FROM ONE SET. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALEXX IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE COMMISSIONER ABOUT. I JUST WANT TO REQUEST YOUR YOUR PRESENTATION. PERHAPS THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WILL WANT A COPY OF IT AS WELL. BUT IF YOU CAN EMAIL THAT TO ME I MEAN I THINK IT'S ON YOUR FILES. WE HAVE ALL TOLD YOU. YEAH IT'LL GO TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION. YES WE DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE WITH US TODAY. OK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MOVING
[2. TR 13255 - Public Safety Complex Feasibility Study]
ALONG TO TR 1 3 2 5 5 PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX FEASIBILITY STUDY WE HAVE PUBLIC SERVICES ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECT MANAGER JOHN HARDY FIRE CHIEF PERCY SALES AND BSL CATERPILLAR. WELCOME GENTLEMEN. ONE MORNING GOOD MORNING. FOR THE RECORD JOHN GORDY'S ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES NEIL GLASSMAN BSL CAPTAIN OR SALES FAR EXCEED THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU IS TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH WALTER ZACHARIAS ASSOCIATES TO PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX FEASIBILITY STUDY. THIS IS A LOCATION MAP OF THE JUST THING MUNICIPAL[00:15:07]
SLASH PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX WHICH CONSIST OF THE CITY HALL AND VSO SITE WHICH IS THIRTEEN POINT FOUR ACRES. THE FIRE STATION NUMBER FORTY ONE SITE WHICH IS ONE POINT THIRTY TWO ACRES AND THE VACANT LOT ADJACENT TO CITY HALL THERE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT WHICH IS ONE POINT SEVENTY EIGHT ACRES ROTOLO ACREAGE OF SIXTEEN POINT ONE FOUR ACRES WALTER ZACHARY I WILL CONSIDER THE ENTIRE SIXTEEN POINT ONE FOUR ACRE CONFLICTS IN THIS STUDY OUR EXISTING FACILITIES FIRE STATION NUMBER FORTY ONE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT THIS BUILDING CURRENTLY DOES NOT MEET CURRENT BUILDING CODES FOR EMERGENCY FACILITIES IN OTHER WORDS IT'S NOT HURRICANE RATED THERE'S INADEQUATE LIVING SPACES INADEQUATE FITNESS AREAS NO TRAINING FACILITIES AND A HISTORY OF PLUMBING ISSUES INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE DOOR YES SO YES IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN NINETEEN EIGHTY EIGHT THIS BUILDING ALSO DOES NOT MEET CURRENT BUILDING CODES FOR EMERGENCY FACILITIES AGAIN NOT HURRICANE RATED AS LIMITED EMERGENCY GENERATOR POWER DURING POWER OUTAGES NO LIVING SPACES OR A SLEEPING QUARTERS AND ADEQUATE DINING FACILITIES AND NO TRAINING FACILITIES OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER OR EOC. THE CITY'S CURRENT EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER IS LOCATED ON THE SECOND FLOOR FIRE STATION NUMBER 15. THERE'S NO DEDICATED WORKSTATIONS FOR EOC STAFF. THERE'S NO SHOWER FACILITIES FOR EOC STAFF. NO OFFICE SPACES NO SLEEPING QUARTERS AND INADEQUATE DINING FACILITIES FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER ACTIVITIES PROPOSED NEW FUNCTIONS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE STUDY WE'LL BE LOOKING AT FIRE STATION NO. FORTY ONE WOULD BE A POLICE STATION AND THE EOC WILL CONSIDER A SINGLE BUILDING TO HOUSE ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS WITH ADEQUATE STORAGE SPACE. WE ALSO LOOK AT THE PARKING AND FUELING FACILITIES AND COORDINATING THESE ALL THESE FUNCTIONS WITH THIS CITY HALL FOOTPRINT SERVICES TO BE PROVIDED BY WALTER ZACHARIAS PART OF THE STUDY THEY WILL CONDUCT AND SERIALS REVIEW AND NEEDS ANALYSIS WHICH INCLUDES REVIEWING EXISTING DOCUMENTS SURVEYS AND BUILDING PLANS AND THEY WILL INTERVIEW CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS.THEY'LL PREPARE A BUILDING PROGRAM WHICH INCLUDES DETERMINING ROOM SIZES FOR THE PROPOSED FUNCTIONS AND USES. AND THEY WILL PREPARE A CONCEPTUAL BUILDING PLAN WHICH WILL INCLUDE FACILITY. I MEAN THE ROOMS FOR THE NEW FACILITY THEY'RE ALSO PREPARING SUCH CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR A TOTAL PROJECT COST. AND FINALLY THEY'RE VERY POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO PRESENT THE FINAL PROJECT TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON WHICH SCHEDULE AUSTIN FUNDING FOR THE STUDY THE PROJECT IS SCHEDULED FOR A FEW HUNDRED AND SEVENTY CALENDAR DAY DURATION. THE COSTS FOR THE STUDY IS SEVENTY FOUR THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND FUNDING IS AVAILABLE NOW WITHIN THE FBI. NINETEEN CAPITAL GENERAL CAPITAL PROJECTS SO THIS TIME WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS 17. HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT COMPANY DOES THIS.
THE STUDIES THAT WE DO. WALTER ZACHARIAS PART OF OUR CONTINUING SERVICE AGREEMENT CONTRACT THEY'RE INCLUDED IN OUR CONTINUING SERVICE AGREEMENT CONTRACT WHICH IS PART OF RESOLUTION 2016 DASH 80 AND WE HAVE A HOST OF PERSONNEL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES INCLUDING CIVIL ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURE SURVEYS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO WE TRIED TO DIVVY UP THE WORK AS BEST WE CAN BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT YOU KNOW BEST PRACTICES AND WHO HAS THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE TO COMPLETE A SPECIFIC TASK AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOOSE WALTER BESSEMER THANK YOU. AS FAR AS THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL OUR CAPTAIN AND CHIEF BE INVOLVED IN THAT. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE NEED OR WHAT THEY NEED. YES OR THE TASK FOR WALTER ZACHARIAS IS TO VISIT WITH THE APPROPRIATE STAFF AND TO DISCUSS CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS AND THEY ALSO MEET WITH I.T. FOLKS TO DISCUSS TECHNOLOGY NEEDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY NEEDS WITH THE U.S. SO YEAH THAT'S PART OF THEIR TASK TO MEET WITH THE CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT AGAIN ALL OF
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OUR FUTURE NEEDS ARE ADDRESSED. AND HOW MUCH OF THE 16 ACRES WILL THIS TAKE UP DO WE KNOW YET. WE DON'T KNOW. THE STUDY WILL INCLUDE THE ENTIRE SIXTEEN POINT ONE FOUR ACRES BUT WE'RE KIND OF LEANING ON THEM TO SEE THE BEST CONFIGURATION OR THE BEST MOST EFFICIENT USE OF THAT SPACE. OKAY. THANK YOU THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALEN WHAT'S THE COST TO BUILD A FIRE STATION FOR I HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT WAS BACK IN 78 I THINK IT WAS. WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE. HOW MANY EXPENSES THERE WERE PROBLEMS OF PLUMBING. WELL WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PLUMBING ISSUES OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD PLUMBERS OUT THERE CLEANING OUT THE LINES RECENTLY WE HAD A CITY PROJECT TO REDO THE LATERAL THAT GOES FROM THE BUILDING TO THE MAIN THAT WAS DONE WITHIN IN-HOUSE FORCES. I CAN GET YOU THOSE COSTS IF YOU WOULD LIKE. BUT AGAIN THAT WAS DONE WITH ALL IN-HOUSE FORCES. INADEQUATE LIVING SPACES INADEQUATE FITNESS AREAS.HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT IS WHAT WOULD BE ADEQUATE AS FAR AS FAR AS CZAR AS COMMISSIONER JUST TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE WE HAD THE I THINK WAS HURRICANE ARMOR THE ONE IN SEPTEMBER 2016 THOUGH THE MOST RECENT ONE SO BECAUSE OUR BUILDING WASN'T RAIDED. OBVIOUSLY WE GET CALLED IN A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE THE STORM ALL ALL PERSONNEL THEY'RE CALLED IN. WE ACTUALLY SET UP OUR COMMAND POST OVER AT THE REC CENTER. SO WE NEED A FACILITY THAT IS ABLE TO AND WE WERE WORKING 12 HOUR SHIFTS SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A FACILITY THAT WILL SLEEP 50 BASICALLY AND BE ABLE TO FEED 50 HAVE ADEQUATE FACILITIES FOR THEM TO SHOWER AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR BUILDING AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT THE REC CENTER WAS A GREAT PLACE FOR US BUT OBVIOUSLY IT CREATED AN ISSUE ONCE THE STORM PASSED AND PARKS AND REC WANTED TO GET BACK IN OUR BUILDING DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A REAL GENERATOR HAS AN EMERGENCY BACKUP WHICH ONLY PROVIDES EMERGENCY LIGHTING DURING A STORM. AND THEN AFTER THE STORM WE HAVE A HUGE PORTABLE GENERATOR WHICH PUBLIC WORKS BRINGS OVER AND THEN HOOKS UP TO THE BUILDING TO BRING US ELECTRICITY. SO WE HAVE THAT ARE ISSUES OR WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED AND I WAS REQUIRED TO SPEAK TO THEM. OK I'LL CONTINUE ALONG THE HURRICANE THING IF WE ARE CURRENTLY FORESTATION 41 WHAT WE DO FROM A UPSTATE PERSPECTIVE IS WE BRING ON ADDITIONAL UNIT. SO THAT'S THREE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WE BRING ON OUR FIVE STAFF MEMBERS FROM PARKS FROM PUBLIC SERVICES AND TO FROM VSO AND ONE FAR INSPECTOR AND THERE'S 10 BUNKS IN THERE AND THE KITCHEN FACILITY IS IS REALLY RATED FOR LIKE SIX PEOPLE. AND ONCE WE DO ENOUGH STAFFING YOU'RE TALKING THREE OR FOUR TIMES THAT STAFFING AMOUNT THERE'S NO SPACE THEREFORE FOR LIVING EATING SHOWER AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT. MOVING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND SA AS THE FACILITY GOES. WHEN I FIRST GOT HIRED HERE IT WAS A IT WAS THE DUTY STATION WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR MALES ONLY. WE'VE HAD TO DO A COUPLE OF RENOVATIONS I THINK WE'VE DONE WHAT THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT RENOVATIONS ON THAT FACILITY. JUST TO TAKE YOU BACK WE SHOULD HAVE OPENED BY SLEEPING WHERE YOU'RE JUST LIKE BASICALLY PUT BEDS IN A BIG OPEN ROOM AND YOU LAY IN THERE WHICH SINCE THEN WE'RE NOT OFTEN MADE IT BUNK ROOMS WHICH ARE JUST PARTITION WALLS. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT THE RESTROOM FACILITIES USED TO BE A ONE OPEN SHOWER FOR FOUR JUST MALES ONLY WHICH WE SPLIT IN HALF MADE A FEMALE SIGN AND MALE SIDE TO ACCOMMODATE. SO THE DISTINCTION REALLY WASN'T DESIGNED ORIGINALLY IN 78 FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY IN 2019. SO FROM A LIVING FACILITY AND JUST TO US ABOUT FITNESS FACILITIES WHEN WE STARTED HERE AT A FITNESS FACILITY USED TO BE IN THE BAY. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO BE WORKING OUT IN A DIESEL ENVIRONMENT. SO WE'VE MOVED IT BUT THE AREA THAT WE USE CURRENTLY FOR FITNESS IS SO SMALL THAT WE HAVE IT SPLIT IN TWO SIDES. ONE OF THE ROOMS WHERE WE HAVE A STAIRMASTER IS WE HAVE TO TAKE THE CEILING TILE OUT BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S HEIGHT OF THE ROOM BACK IN 1978 JUST DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT TODAY. SO WHEN YOU'RE WORKING OUT YOUR HEAD'S IN THE CEILING. SO IT'S JUST NOT A NOT ADEQUATE FACILITY. YOU KNOW HOW MANY OTHER CITIES HAVE UPGRADED OR THEIR FACILITIES JUST THIS PAST FRIDAY CHIEF SAILS THAT I ACTUALLY WENT TO WEST IN TO TOUR THEIR EOC WAS INCREDIBLE FACILITY. THEY KIND OF HAVE A MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF CITY EMPLOYEES THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR PERMITTING AND I.T. ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND IT'S A THREE STORY BUILDING. HURRICANE RATED THEY HAVE SLEEPING QUARTERS THEY HAVE A FULL EOC WHICH BY THE WAY THEIR I.T. DIRECTOR IS THERE FULL TIME TO MONITOR EVERYTHING DURING A STORM. GREAT IDEA. THEY ARE ACTUAL POLICE STATION BY THEIR ACTUAL POLICE FACILITY I THINK IS
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WAS BUILT AT LEAST 10 YEARS AGO. SO THEY'RE ONLY RATED IT UP THROUGH A CATEGORY 3 BUT THEIR EOC IS UP THERE A CATEGORY 5 AND CHIEF SHIELDS COULD TALK ABOUT OTHER FACILITIES HE'S GONE TO AND VISITED YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE FIRE STATIONS WERE BUILT AROUND THE SAME TIME. SO I'LL GIVE YOU FOR INSTANCE THE ONES I TOOK I DON'T KNOW THEM ALL BUT A LOT OF THEM I DO SEE OF COURSE SPRING IS RENOVATING ALL OF OUR STATIONS THEY RAN INTO THE SAME SITUATION WE'RE RUNNING INTO THEY BUILT FACILITIES THAT WEREN'T ADEQUATE FOR WHAT THE NEEDS ARE TODAY STATION NINETY FIVE WHICH IS I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THING TO YOU BUT IF YOU JUST CONTINUE HERE ON NOB HILL JUST OVER SOUTHGATE THAT STATION WAS A VOLUNTEER STATION DESIGNED REALLY FOR THREE PERSONNEL TO TURN IT DOWN AND MAKE IT WHAT IT IS TODAY THEY DO FIRE ANY AND MESS. SO THAT STATION'S BEEN REDONE IF YOU CONTINUE FURTHER NORTH SEVENTY DEBRIS DONE THAT AND I THINK THAT WORKING ON OUR FINAL STATION RIGHT NOW SO CLOSE FRIENDS HAS DONE ALL IT AIRS. WE MOVE A LITTLE FURTHER EAST NORTH LAUDERDALE JUST BUILT STATION 34 ROUGHLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO INADEQUATE FACILITIES AS WELL THEY ENDED UP NEEDING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES SO THEY PUT ANOTHER STATION AND WE JUST REDID STATION 78 OURSELVES. AND IF YOU ADD MORE IS REDOING THE STATION AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN ANOTHER FACILITY IN COCONUT CREEK. SO IF YOU LOOK AROUND IT'S JUST. THE OTHER ISSUES JUST TRAFFIC AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS BRINGING THE FACILITIES UP TO CONCURRENT STANDARDS. MOST OF THEM ARE HURRICANE RITA BECAUSE THOSE THINGS CAN COME IN UNTIL AFTER HURRICANE ANDREW. MOST OF OUR FUEL FACILITIES WERE BUILT BEFORE THAT AND THE OTHER THING IS NOW WE HAVE MALE AND FEMALES AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE ADEQUATE FACILITIES FOR AS WELL SO THE STATION IS BEING BUILT NOW ON UNIVERSITY STATION 36 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES. SO IS THAT BEING BUILT TO HURRICANE CODE AND I MEAN IS IT GONNA HAVE ADEQUATE LIVING SPACE AND FITNESS AREAS IT WILL. YES. AND THAT. THAT'S AN ADEQUATE FACILITIES AS WELL. TO BE A CATEGORY 5. YES. FARBER 78 AS WELL. WE JUST NEED A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WAS BUILT TO WITHSTAND. AND FOR THAT MATTER STATION 15 IS A CATEGORY 5 BUILDING AS WELL. IT'S JUST 41 IS THE LAST OF THE OF OUR FACILITIES THERE'S REFRESHMENT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A LOT OF CITIES ARE GOING TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX MODEL BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER ESPECIALLY DURING EMERGENCY TIMES FOR POLICE AND FIRE TO WORK TOGETHER RIGHT THERE AT THE SAFE AND THOSE SUNRISE DEAD AND A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. AND THAT'S WORKED OUT WELL FOR THEM. WHEN WHEN THIS HAPPENS HOWEVER IT HAPPENS. WHAT'S GOING TO BE. I'M GUESSING 15 WILL BE STILL BE OUR BACKUP EOC OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH 15. WELL THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT IT WOULD BE OUR BACKUP EOC I THINK IT'S OUR BACKUP I.T. AS WELL. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT NEVER HAPPENED BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER AREAS. YOU SAID I THINK YOU SAID SUNRISE THAT IT WAS SPRINGS THAT THEY DID IT. THERE'S SEVERAL AGENCIES THAT ARE DOING THAT MAKING A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX. MY WORDS FIRE POLICE AND EOC RIGHT. AND FOR THAT MATTER WESTERN IN ESSENCE AND. OK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIRD STATION 36. WE DON'T HAVE EOC THERE. WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IF WE NEED TO FOR TEMPORARY PURPOSES AS A SECONDARY BACKUP. NO IT'S NOT. THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE FOR THAT BUILDING. NO I'M NOT COMPLAINING. I'M JUST ASKING. SO WITH ALSO THE TRAINING I KNOW SOMETIMES WE HAVE OUR MEN AND WOMEN TRAINED AT OTHER FACILITIES. IS THE GOAL WITH THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR TRAINING HERE AND IN-HOUSE VERSUS UTILIZING OTHER PEOPLE'S SPACE X. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TO GO. I GOT TO TELL YOU AND NEAL CAN TALK ON HIS TRAIN AS WELL BUT I STILL REQUIRES SOME CERTAIN PARAMETERS WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO ACRE PLOT THAT'S LOCKED. YOU KNOW THAT'S FENCED IN YOU KNOW LIMITED ACCESS BY THE PUBLIC. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TRAINING TOWER. SO CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THOSE TRAINING HOURS YOU KNOW WE THINK YOU NET MONTHLY REPORT. THOSE TRAINING HOURS HAVE TO COME FROM FACILITIES CALLED FACILITIES TRAINING. SO WE HAVE TO GO TO CALL SPRINGS TO THEIR FACILITY OR WE HAVE TO GO TO BROWARD COUNTY AND DAVIE TO THEIR FACILITY IN ORDER TO GET THOSE HOURS IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THIS. LIKE JOHN SAID IT'S OVER 60 NAKED SO IT WOULD BE A FENCED IN PUBLIC SAFETY COMPOUND SO WOULD MEET THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRAINING FACILITY ON THAT LIKE A THREE STOREY TOWER LIKE LAWN OR HILL JUST[00:30:01]
BUILT. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT TRAINING WITHOUT GOING OUT OF THE CITY AND A DUAL PURPOSE. I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE TO TURN IT OVER TO BECAUSE. YOU SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. YOU KNOW MY VISION WAS ALWAYS TO HAVE OUR FACILITY USED FOR TRAINING FOR DEPUTIES WHO WERE NOT NECESSARILY ASSIGNED TO TAMARACK AS WELL AND WE'VE DONE THAT. WE HAVE DRONE TRAINING GOING ON HERE WE HAVE QR F WHICH IS THE QUICK RESPONSE FORCE WE HAVE CLASSES CONDUCTED BY OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIVISION OUT HERE AND THE WAY I SAW IT IS WE'RE GETTING MORE VISIBILITY OUT HERE FOR YOU KNOW A VERY MINIMAL COST. WE HAVE DEPUTIES ON THEIR WAY HERE IN THE MORNING THEY GO OUT AT LUNCH GO TO THE VARIOUS EATING ESTABLISHMENTS AND THEY LEAVE DURING THE DAY AND OBVIOUSLY IT CREATES VISIBILITY ALL THESE CARS COMING FROM VARIOUS PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND THEN LEAVING AGAIN. SO WE HAVE A TRAINING ROOM THAT WE USE IT'S NOT ADEQUATE AS IT IS WE'VE DONE SOME RENOVATIONS. WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE WE'VE HAD TO OR WANTED TO HAVE TWO CLASSES AT ONCE AND WE'VE HAD TO TURN OTHER TRAINING AWAY AS FAR AS THE FIELD. YOU KNOW I ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH CHIEF BRATTON WHEN HE WAS HERE AND CHIEF SALES ABOUT DOING SOMETHING JOINT IN THAT. SO I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A TOP NOTCH FACILITY HERE THAT WE COULD USE TO TRAIN BOTH OUR STAFFS AND PERSONNEL. AND ALSO WE'RE GOING TO SOUL TRAIN THE PUPPIES RIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY THEY DECIDED IN THE END THAT THAT WAS TOO SMALL A FIELD FOR THEM. SO NO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TRAINING THERE. OCCASIONALLY WE'LL DO TRAINING WITH NARCOTICS DOGS OURS AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS. WE HAD A CERTIFICATION HERE PROBABLY EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS AGO BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY USED NOW YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF DEPUTIES IN TRAINING.YOU'RE RUNNING THROUGH THE PARK NOW WITH GAS MASKS. OUR QUICK REACTION FORCE USED THAT TO DO VARIOUS TACTICS. WELL MAYBE WHEN THE COMPANY IS LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE YOUR MOTHER ZACHARIAS LOOKING AT THINGS THEY CAN SEE IF WE CAN IMPLEMENT AN AREA FOR THE PUPPIES TO BE TRAINED HERE COME BACK AND BE TRAINED AS WELL. AGAIN A BIG PART OF THOSE FOR THEM TO SIT DOWN WITH THESE GROUPS AND KNOW WHAT THEY NEED KNOW THAT IS RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS. SEEING THAT THERE ARE NONE. GENTLEMEN THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO NUMBER THREE
[3. Discussion of Designation of Florida League of Cities Voting Delegate]
DISCUSSION OF DESIGNATION OF FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES VOTING DELEGATE. YES IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING MR GRACEY EARLIER THAT SO FAR THE ONLY THERE WAS ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO THIS MEETING AUGUST 15TH THROUGH 17TH AND THAT WAS COMMISSIONER FISHMAN. AND AT THAT POINT SHE WASN'T QUITE SURE IF COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS GOING TO BE GOING. I'LL BE GOING. YOU'RE GONNA BE GOING. OF THOSE THE ONLY TWO THAT HAS CHANGED AT ALL. NO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO. I SHOULD HOPEFULLY BE AT THE TAIL END OF MY RADIATION. SO ON A MORE NEXT WEEK BUT SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BOLTON AND COMMISSIONER FISHMAN. I WILL. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD PUT THIS FROM THE FLOOR. HOW DO YOU WANT IT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MEMO LAST YEAR IT WAS COMMISSIONER FISHMAN. SHE WAS A VOTING DELEGATE. CORRECT. MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE THE VOTING DELEGATE AND WE ALWAYS HAVE THE ALTERNATE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE ON THE WILL HAVE ON THE PASS IF NEEDED. NO NOT IN IT FOR THIS ONE. OK JUST AS A BACKUP LIKE IF ONE PERSON SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO BE THERE AND THE OTHER PERSON DOES THAT CAN'T BE THERE. ALL RIGHT I CAN SEND THAT INFORMATION IN. OK. I THOUGHT WE HAD TWO COLUMNS OF IT BUT NO. OK. I DON'T MAKE MUCH SENSE IN THE FOURTH QUARTER. DIDN'T WE IN PRIOR MONTHS ALREADY VOTE ON WHO THE VOTING PERSON WAS ONLY ALTERED HIS WITH A MADAM MAYOR. THAT WAS FOR THE MAIN DELEGATE AND THE TWO ALTERNATES FIRST AND SECOND THAT YOU DID ADOPT IN RECENT DAYS THE BRADLEY. THIS IS IF I MAY. THIS IS FOR AT THE END OF THE AUGUST CONFERENCE THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WILL BE ADOPTING THEIR LEGISLATIVE POLICY STATEMENTS AND WHAT THE DELEGATE HAS TO DO IS VOTE FOR VOTE FOR OR AGAINST THOSE POLICIES. STATEMENTS FOR TAMARA. AND BASICALLY IT'S NOT THE INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCE. IT IS THE DECISION OF THE CITY. RIGHT. THAT IS VOTED UPON. SO WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE GOING TO HAVE DESIRE TO ACTUALLY ATTEND THAT PART OF THAT MEETING. I WILL BE THERE EITHER WAY. MR. BOLTON DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER GENTLEMEN[00:35:13]
LADIES HELPED ME OR I'M GOING TO JUST SAY SOME I MEAN MY TAKE IS YOU KNOW I I'M I'M A PERSON THAT LIKES TO BE FAIR AND COMMISSIONER FISHMAN HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT LAST YEAR AND SO I'D LIKE THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. OK. AND I'M FINE WITH THAT. OK. SO I MEAN ASK FOR CONSENSUS SIR COMMISSIONER BOLTON WILL BE THE VOTING DELEGATE AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING THIS SUMMER MEASURE EFFICIENT. YES MICHIGAN. YES AS MAYOR. YES. NOT A VOTE BUT JUST CONSENSUS AMONGST THEMSELVES THAT YOU SUPPORT THE ITEM GLOBALLY. THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT FOR US. COMMISSIONER BOLTON. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE A PRESUMPTION WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO BREAK SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT ONE WHICH IS THE[4. Discussion on Section 2-34 of the City Code - Commission Meeting Procedures]
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
TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AT A MINIMUM OF SIX BUSINESS DAYS BEFORE CITY INITIAL MEETING. READING FROM SECTION 2 ACTUALLY PAGE TWO PAGE 2 NUMBER TWO THE NUMBER IS KIND OF FUNKY BUT IT'S IT'S NUMBER TWO ON THE SECOND PAGE AND EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCIES MATTERS OR OTHER SPECIAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE IMMEDIATE ATTENTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OR LISTENING OF THE BUSINESS TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION SHOUTED PREPARED BY THE MANAGER THE MANAGER HAS THE CONTROL OF THE AGENDA AND THE PREPARATION OF IT. THE CITY MANAGER SHALL ATTEMPT TO DELIVER THE LISTING OF BUSINESS ORDER A BUSINESS WHATEVER TO EACH MEMBER AT LEAST 72 HOURS PRIOR TO EACH REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING. THESE RULES ARE JUXTAPOSED AGAINST TWO VERY IMPORTANT ITEMS ONE OF WHICH IS CHAPTER 2 86 WHICH IS THE SUNSHINE LAW FLORIDA FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAW. AS YOU KNOW FROM OUR PRIOR DISCUSSION SECTION 2 8 6 POINT 0 1 1 4 SAYS TO EIGHTY SIX POINT 0 1 1 4 WHICH IS ADOPTED JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. IT REQUIRES THAT IN A DECISION MAKING PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE WHEN YOU MAKE FINAL DECISIONS OF ANY KIND. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT OF ACCESS. YOU'LL NOTE FOR EXAMPLE THAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC MEETING WITH REGARD TO DECISIONS BEING MADE NOT JUST AN ITEM THAT'S THOSE ON THE AGENDA EVEN ON A CONSENT AGENDA.PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK THAT NIGHT AND BE CONSIDERED AND BE GIVEN THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. IF IT'S A FOLK QUOTE FINAL DECISION UNDER STATE STATUTE YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW THAT IN NOVEMBER OF THIS PAST YEAR THERE WAS A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WHICH WE'VE TALKED YOU ABOUT IN RECENT DAYS. THE CHARTER AMENDMENT IS THE 48 HOUR RULE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN A COUNTY WIDE BASIS BY THE VOTERS OF BROWARD COUNTY APPLICABLE TO CITIES AND BROWARD COUNTY WHICH BASICALLY SAYS IN THE CLERK'S WELL AWARE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SCHOOLED ON THE SUBJECT MATTER IT REQUIRES ESSENTIALLY THAT THE POSTING OF ANY AGENDA ITEM WITHIN 48 HOURS OF A CITY COMMISSION MEETING SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT SAYS IS FOR ALL MEETINGS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION TWO EIGHTY SIX POINT ONE 1 WHICH IS PART OF SUNSHINE LAW AS MAY BE AMENDED FROM TIME TO TIME AND IN ADDITION TO ANY APPLICABLE STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS THE COUNTY AND ALL MUNICIPALITIES. THIS IS IN THE COUNTY CHARTER SHALL POST ON THEIR RESPECTIVE WEB SITES ANY REQUIRED NOTICES AGENDAS AND AVAILABLE BACKUP MATERIALS AT LEAST 48 HOURS PRIOR TO THE APPLICABLE SCHEDULE MEETING ANY REVISIONS TO THE AGENDA BACKUP MATERIALS OR OTHER INFORMATION RECEIVED OR DEVELOPED BY THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WITHIN 48 HOURS PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULED MEETING SHALL BE POSTED ON THE APPLICABLE WEB SITE AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE AFTER THE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES RECEIPT OR DEVELOPMENT OF AGENDA MATERIALS AND SHALL BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION AT THE MEETING FOR ANY MUNICIPALITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A WEBSITE YOU CAN USE THE COUNTY WEBSITE ETC.. BUT BUT THE KEY FACTOR IS IS THAT THE VOTERS IN BROWARD COUNTY IN NOVEMBER OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED THIS ITEM PROBABLY THINK MORE THAN ANY OTHER WHICH WAS THE 48 HOUR RULE SPECIFICALLY REGARDING POSTING NOW THE CLERK AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. BUT SHE DOES THAT. SHE POSTS WITHIN 40 HOURS BEFOREHAND AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE THE PUBLIC THEN KNOWS NOT JUST WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA BOOK BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE BACKUP AVAILABLE TO THEM. THERE'S A CAVEAT HOWEVER IN THE COUNTY CHARTER AND THAT WAS NOT AGAINST THE CHARTER MEANT IT JUST OCCURRED.
THERE'S NOT EVEN A YEAR OLD WAS ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER. IT WAS VOTED ON AND IT WAS EFFECTIVE I THINK IN DECEMBER. IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THERE IS A COUNTY OR MUNICIPAL MEETING SUBJECT TO SECTION 2 IT IS EXPLAINED 0 1 1 FLORIDA STATUTES SCHEDULE 2 DUE TO AN EMERGENCY AND IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO POST THE MEETING WITHIN AT LEAST 48 HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. THE COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY AS APPLICABLE AND AS PRESCRIBED ABOVE SHALL BE REQUIRED TO POST THE MEETING NOTICE ON ITS WEBSITE OR ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE IF THE INITIATIVE DISPARITY DOES NOT MAINTAIN ITS OWN WEBSITE ETC ETC. AT THE EARLIEST PRACTICABLE TIME. SO CITIES ARE NOW HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS SUBJECT MATTER WHICH IS THE KIND OF CHARTER SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO POSTING OF MEETINGS. I RAISE THE ISSUE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS IN THE ROOM TODAY. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT THAT THIS IS A WORKSHOP LIKE AT PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN A WORKSHOP. PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN A REGULAR REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO I RAISE THE ISSUE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHEN THAT'S REFERRED TO. NOT SPECIFICALLY IN OUR CODE SECTION BUT AS PART OF WHAT IS THE COUNTY LAW IS EFFECTIVE IN DECEMBER OF THIS PAST YEAR. THE PROVISIONS ESSENTIALLY GIVE YOU THE FRAMEWORK FOR HOW MEETINGS ARE BE CONDUCTED WITHOUT GETTING INTO GREAT DETAIL. I CAN MAKE AN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OBVIOUSLY THE CHAIR HAS THE GAVEL. THE MAYOR RUNS THE MEETINGS THE COMMISSION EACH ONE HAS YOUR OWN SINGLE VOTE OBVIOUSLY BUT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE ROBERT'S RULES APPLY AS AMENDED FROM TIME TO TIME AND AS INTERPRETED BY THE BY THE BY THE COMMISSION. BUT THE ESSENCE OF YOUR PROCEDURES IS THE FACT THAT YOU CONTROL YOUR OWN PROCEDURES. YOU GET TO ACTUALLY YOU CAN MODIFY THESE PROCEDURES. YOU CAN ACCEPT THEM YOU EMBRACED UNDER THE LAW OF THE CITY AS THE CASE MAY BE BUT HOW THEY'RE INTERPRETED FROM TIME TO TIME MATTERS IN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR DAY TO DAY SITUATION. THERE IS AN ORDER OF BUSINESS AS YOU KNOW THAT IT SETS IN TO DASH 34. I WANT TO GET INTO A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THAT THAT ITEM THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME MONTHS AGO IS NO LONGER BEFORE YOU. IT TALKS ABOUT THINGS SUCH AS THE CALL THE ORDER THE ROLL CALL THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. AND THEN IT TALKS ALSO ABOUT THE RULES OF CONDUCT OF PUBLIC
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MEETINGS AND ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS THAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE DOCUMENTS SPECIFICALLY IN SECTION H ONE D E F SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION SHOULD BE RESERVED INSOFAR AS POSSIBLE BUT THE END OF A PRESENTATION TO AVOID INTERRUPTING THE SPEAKER DISRUPTING THE TIMEKEEPING PROCESS AND DUPLICATING GROUND THUS THE SPEAKER MAY COVER ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ON ANY MATTER AND SHALL NOT BE RULED OUT OF ORDER BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER UNLESS THE MEMBER HAS MADE ABUSIVE DEROGATORY OR RUDE REMARKS. NO MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL BE LIMITED IN HIS OR HER OWN DEBATE ON ANY ISSUE EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED FOR HEREIN UNLESS THE MEMBER ENGAGES IN ABUSIVE DEROGATORY. ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER THE CITY EMPLOYEES PUBLIC MEMBERS APPEARING BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION AND SHALL REFRAIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY COMMENTS REFLECTIONS AS TO INTEGRITY ABUSE OF COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES. THERE IS PROCEDURE FOR BEHAVIOR. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ROBERT'S RULES THAT ALLOW YOU TO HANDLE THAT IN THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO DO THAT DEPENDING UPON THE ROLE OF YOUR SITUATION AT THE MEETING. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE PROCEDURES DO APPLY.THEY ARE THE LAW OF THE CITY PURSUANT TO SECTION E ABOVE. ANY MEMBER MAY INTRODUCE ITEMS TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COMMISSION SUCH AS THE MEMBER DEEMS APPROPRIATE IS PREFERRED THAT IT BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY MANAGER TO BE INCLUDED IN AN APPROPRIATE AGENDA SO THAT THE SIX DAY RULE IS IN YOUR CODE. YOU'VE DISCUSSED THIS ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS YOU ALSO NOW HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF THE 48 HOUR RULE THAT'S IN THE CHARTER WHICH REQUIRES POSTING OF THE ITEM YOU WISH TO CONSIDER PLUS THE BACKUP FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU ALSO HAVE SECTION TWO EIGHTY SIX POINT 0 1 1 4 THAT SAYS THAT A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO BE HEARD ON DECISION MAKING FINAL DECISION MAKING THAT MAY BE RENDERED BY THE CITY COMMISSION WHICH IS ALSO IMPORTANT IN THE GLOBAL NATURE OF THINGS IS THAT THIS IS THE FRAMEWORK ABOUT WHICH YOU OPERATE. IT'S BEEN THE CASE SINCE 2007. IT'S BEEN A WORKABLE FRAMEWORK FOR YOU FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ANSWER I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU OR THE MANAGER. I'M HAPPY TO TRY THIS. THIS IS PART OF PART OF THE PRESENTATION WHICH I WANTED TO OFFER THIS MORNING AS REQUESTED BY THE MAYOR ON CONDITION AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT MAY MAY RELATE TO THIS SPECIFIC ITEM. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THE FACT THAT IT IS THE IT IS THE LAW IN THIS CITY AND IT IS WHAT YOU NEED TO FOLLOW AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE INTERPRETIVE LEE I'M HAPPY TO HELP YOU WHEN THAT INTERPRETATION OCCURS. AS A PARLIAMENTARIAN BUT THAT THAT THE MAYOR HAS THE GAVEL SHE CONTROLS THE MEETING BUT YOU WILL CONTROL THE FATE OF YOUR DECISION MAKING HOW YOU EFFECTUATED. NOW YOU CONCLUDED. SO WITH THOSE CAVEATS IN MIND THE COUNTY CHARTER STATE STATUTE GOVERNING ACCESS BY THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS YOUR PROCEDURE. I'M HAPPY TO STAND DOWN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WOULD DEFER TO THE MANAGER IF HE HAS ANY POINTS OF REFERENCE THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO YOU THIS MORNING. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER NO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN WE'VE WE'VE TRIED WE HAVE AN INTERNAL OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE INTERNAL POLICIES DEALING WITH DEVELOPMENT OF THE AGENDA AGENDA ITEMS AND DEADLINES AND WHEN THINGS HAVE TO BE REVIEWED WHEN THINGS HAVE TO BE SIGNED OFF ON WHEN THINGS ARE PUT ON THE AGENDA WHEN THEY'RE FINAL. AS FAR AS COMMISSION ITEMS ARE CONCERNED WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUESTS THAT YOU'VE MADE OR WORKSHOP AN AGENDA ITEM AND THAT'S LARGELY DEPENDENT ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO PREPARE THOSE ITEMS OR HAVE RESEARCH DONE OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT ON YOUR AGENDA IN A FORMAT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION. SO WE'VE JUST TRIED TO DEAL WITH THAT AS BEST WE CAN. WHEN ISSUES COME UP AND THEY DON'T COME UP THAT FREQUENT SO WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE DOING OUR BEST. IT'S EASIEST WHEN WE HAVE ADVANCE NOTICE FOR YOU IN A MANNER THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY THAT WE PREPARE THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
QUICKLY OFFER A COMMISSION GO AND I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PROCEDURE IN THE RECENT PAST AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I AM LOOKING AT THE PROCEDURES CODE AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL AGENDA. AND THIS IS NOT A NEGATIVE COMMENT TOWARDS ANYBODY IN THE ROOM BUT THERE IS NO SUCH PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT SAYS THE WORD OTHER. IT'S ON OUR PRINTED AGENDAS AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT WAY HISTORICALLY BUT INTERESTINGLY IN THE ACTUAL PROCEDURES THE LAST ITEM IN THE IN THE LINEUP OF ITEMS ON AN AGENDA IT ENDS WITH THE GERMAN JUSTIFY AND I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORICAL ANSWER AS TO WHY OTHER HAS BEEN THERE IS THERE BUT THERE IS A REFERENCE IN OUR AGENDAS TYPICALLY FOR OTHER THAT THAT MAY TO SOME DEGREE NEED TO BE RETHOUGHT BY YOU IN THE CONTEXT OF BOTH THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WITH REGARD TO ADDING ITEMS TO AN AGENDA AS WELL AS THE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC OF DECISION MAKING THAT YOU MAY OFFER DURING A PUBLIC MEETING. I RAISE IT ONLY BECAUSE I'D LOOKED AT IT PREPARE FOR THIS MORNING IT'S
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NOT THERE AND I LOOKED AT YOU IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA FOR OTHERS THERE.BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGULAR AGENDA THERE'S NOT GOING TO COUNTER THE CLERK EITHER SURVEY SHOWS THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO BOTHER EITHER. YEAH. APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO BRING THIS FORTH IS THAT THIS IS A VERY ACTIVE COMMISSION WHICH IS GREAT BUT ALSO WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE CITY PLANNING PROCESS. WE HAVE THINGS ARE IN PLACE AND WE NEED TO MELD AND IT HAS BEEN MY FEELING THAT SOME OF OUR PROCESSES WERE NOT MELDING AND WE WERE WE NEED TO JUST REALIGN IT. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE BROUGHT FORTH. THERE IS NO OTHER HEARING VARIOUS THINGS FROM PEOPLE WHETHER IT BE THE COMMISSION OR THROUGH MEETINGS OR OR STAFF IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER ITEMS PROPERLY FAIRLY FULLY WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED AND AS SAM HAS POINTED OUT WITH NEW RULES OF BEING ABLE TO GIVE TIME TO THE PUBLIC. I JUST WANTED OUR COMMISSION TO HEAR THIS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE US ASK ANY QUESTIONS WE MAY NEED. BUT FROM HERE IN WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER IN OUR OUR CODE OF ORDINANCE UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT.
GIVE THE STAFF THE TIME IT NEEDS WHICH ACTUALLY IS PROBABLY EVEN SOONER. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TODAY WE HAVE A COMMISSION MEETING WORKSHOP TOMORROW.
YOU'RE ALREADY RUNNING FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS OR IS IT RIGHT. YOU ALREADY HAVE AN AGENDA MEETING SET FOR NEXT WEEK SO THE CITY'S ALWAYS MOVING AND TRYING TO DO BUSINESS AND KEEP IT KEEP IT GOING. SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WANT WE MAY THINK ARE EMERGENCIES OR VERY IMPORTANT BUT THEY MAY NOT BE AS EMERGENT OR AS IMPORTANT AS WE THINK. SO THERE SHOULD BE ABILITY TO GIVE OUR STAFF TIME TO PROPERLY PROCESS WHAT WE NEED VERSUS RUSHING TO GET IT THROUGH. SO ON THAT NOTE IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER FISHMAN DO YOU HAVE. WELL I I'M GLAD THIS IS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE WHEN IN THE PRIOR WORKSHOP I ASKED FOR US TO LOOK AT REMOVING THE MORATORIUM ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND COMING UP WITH AN ORDINANCE FOR US TO HAVE THE DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AND THERE WAS A CONSENSUS FOR THAT TO MOVE FORWARD. I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT WAS NECESSARY FOR STAFF TO START WORKING ON IT. AND THEN AT THE COMMISSION MEETING COMMISSIONER GALEN SAID OH WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO. AND THEN WE TOOK A VOTE ON IT. SO I NEED CLARIFICATION AS TO IF WE DON'T HAVE OTHER ON EITHER OF OUR AGENDAS BUT WHAT IS THE PROPER PROCEDURE IF SOMETHING HAS BEEN IF IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DEAL WITH IN THE FUTURE. AND ON THAT NOTE THAT WAS THE CONSENSUS TOPIC I WAS GOING TO BRING UP AFTERWARDS. BUT IF I RECALL CORRECTLY THAT TOPIC WAS BEING DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING. SO IT WASN'T A SEPARATE ITEM BEING BROUGHT IN ON AN OTHER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MEDICAL MARIJUANA. AND THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION THERE WAS GOING FOR IT. SO ON THAT NOTE HOW WE HAVE ALWAYS SAY ALWAYS FOR THE ALMOST 80 PLUS YEARS I'M ON HERE WE HAVE CONSENSUS. WE BRING IT FORTH AND SALMON CITY STAFF DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITHIN THEIR TIMEFRAMES. WE'VE NOT HAD TO HAVE A SECOND VOTE OR DO A VOTE ON THE DAIS. SO TWO THINGS. FOUR WE'LL GET BACK TO BRINGING TOPICS UP. BUT ON THE CONSENSUS IF WE TRAVELED TO THE CONSENSUS PART SAM WHAT PROCEDURES DO WE NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT THAT IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS AT A WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE DON'T VOTE AT A WORKSHOP TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AND THE CITY STAFF. SO THIS IS FROM MIKE AS WELL WHAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AND THAT'S REALLY SUBJECT TO YOUR INTERPRETATION. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WORKSHOPS AND NOT THE PLACE WHERE WE GET TO MAKE FINAL DECISIONS THEY'RE JUST DISCUSSION AND THEN THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU'RE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT HAVE BE PERSONAL AND OTHERS AND THE MANAGER MAY HAVE IS THAT WHAT YOU DISCUSS AND WE USE THE WORD AMORPHOUS SENSE BUT IN A NOT A TOTALLY CLEAR SENSE OR NOT IN A IN A MOTION LIKE SENSE WITH A MOTION BEING MET AND SECONDED CARRIED YOUR THOUGHTS BETWEEN CONSENSUS AND A FINAL MOTION MAY BE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT. AND IT'S IMPORTANT
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THAT THE PUBLIC AGAIN THAT THE TWO OTHER ELEMENTS THAT I'M RAISING WITH YOU NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WHICH IS THE FACT THAT MOTION IS ACTUALLY WHICH ARE SECONDED AND CARRIED BASICALLY COVER THE BASES. A LOT MORE CLEARLY THAN THEN WOULD BE JUST CONSENSUS. I MEAN SOME CONSENSUS ITEMS ARE EASY SAID RESCHEDULING A MEETING ASKING FOR A SCHEDULING OF A WORKSHOP OR HAVING SOMETHING WHICH IS A SCHEDULING EVENT AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING S SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE. I MEAN I UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT MEDICAL DISPENSARY WITH MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES ARE. BRIAN WAS HERE HE MADE A PRESENTATION WITH MAXINE AND I GET THE GIST OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH REGARD TO REMOVAL OF THE BAN AND ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE COVER THAT'S UP SUBJECT BUT YOU NEED TO GIVE YOU YOURSELF SOME INSIGHT AS TO WHAT IT IS THAT YOU YOU PLAN TO DO SO FOR EXAMPLE IN SOME SOME VENUES. IF COMMISSIONER GALAN WOULD LIKE TO OR COMMISSIONER EFFICIENT I WOULD LIKE TO END THE BAN WITH REGARD TO DISPENSARIES AND MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES THEN SOMETIMES WHAT YOU CAN DO AND ADD AN AGENDA ITEM TO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL AGENDA DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO BAN DISPENSARIES TO REMOVE THAT THE REPEAL DISPENSARY BANS AND TO ADD MEDICAL MARIJUANA AS AS A AS A LAWFUL USE. THIS WAY THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM THERE'S A MOTION AS A SECOND OFFER BY THE COMMISSIONER OR THE COMMISSIONER IT BRINGS UP A DISCUSSION ITEM GETS A MOTION AND THE ADMINISTRATION CAN KNOW WHAT TO DO. THAT'S ONE WAY OF HOW IT CAN. IT CAN BE DONE HAS BEEN DONE IN OTHER PLACES THAT MAY MAY GIVE SOME BENEFIT TO YOU IN THAT DISCUSSION WHERE A COMMISSIONER HAS AN ITEM OF THE AGENDA. YOU KNOW COMMISSIONER GALEN I DISCUSSED THE ISSUE OF OPENING UP THE DOOR AND REPEALING THE BAN AND OPENING UP THE DOOR FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES. IF I MAY I FORGET IT. THERE'S TOPICS THAT ARISE THROUGH THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING AT A WORKSHOP THAT NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS CALLED FOR. AND HOW DO WE MOVE IT FORWARD PROCEDURALLY AND PROPERLY THROUGH THE WORKSHOP WHEN IT IS ALREADY STEMMING THROUGH A WORKSHOP ITEM VERSUS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BRING UP AN ITEM TO PLACE ON THE WORKSHOP OR ON THE AGENDA. MY TAKEAWAY FOR RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN CLARIFY IF IT'S THE LATTER IT'S A TOPIC I WANT TO BRING UP THEN IS SOMETHING I BRING TO THE CITY MANAGER SIX BUSINESS DAYS BEFOREHAND AND SAY TO THE CITY MANAGER IF POSSIBLE I'D LIKE TO PLACE ON THE NEXT AGENDA IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE CAUSE IT'S NOT EMERGENT EMERGENCY. CAN YOU PUT IT ON WHEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF AGENDA ITEMS THAT I KNOW THAT IS GONNA COME UP AND THEN WE DISCUSS IT THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S ONE ITEM BUT THE USING THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA BAN ITEM WE HAD THE TOPIC ON THE AGENDA WE THEN NOW DISCUSS IT AND WE'RE READY TO DO OUR NEXT STEPS. OUR NEXT STEPS AS A CONSENSUS WAS TO ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION IN AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE TO THEM REVIEW AND HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP ON HOW THE WAY. WE THEN RECENTLY HAVE CHANGED IT IS THEN WE HAD A MOTION AT WEDNESDAY'S MEETING INSTEAD OF GOING FORWARD ON MONDAY'S MEETING WITH CONSENSUS TO ASK YOU TO DO WHAT WE NEED YOU TO DO THROUGH THE CONSENSUS BELIEVING THAT THAT'S NOT THE PROPER PROCEDURE FROM WHAT I'M HEARING WHAT PROCEDURES SHOULD WE BE PUTTING IN PLACE. OR SHOULD IT JUST BE WORKSHOP. WE DISCUSS IT. WE HAVE CONSENSUS AND THEN IT'S A MAYBE THAT WORKSHOP ITEM WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ON PATIENTS. WE'LL GET OUT OF EARLY ENOUGH WITH THE WEDNESDAY MEETING. IF IT WAS A DISCUSSION ITEM ON A THAT'S IN A CONSENT OR JUST A WORKSHOP ITEM MAYBE WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT ON OUR AGENDA FOR THAT VOTE. WE DON'T HAVE OTHER OR WE IF I RECALL HEARING SOMETHING. THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING RIGHT AFTER THEIR WORKSHOPS. SOME DO JUST HAVE A VOTE ON CONSENSUS ITEMS TO MOVE FORWARD. SO WE HAVE IT DONE AND YOU CAN EVERYBODY CAN RUN RIGHT AWAY WITH IT VERSUS HAVING TO WAIT FOR A WEDNESDAY MEETING. IS THAT THE PROCEDURE WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER. SORRY FOR HAVING MY HEAD THAT WAY THE WHOLE TIME. IS THAT A PROCEDURE YOU MAY WANT TO PUT IN PLACE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE A SCHEDULED MEETING AFTER THE WORKSHOP. THAT'S PHILLIES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF VOTING ON CONSENSUS ITEMS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE STAFF THE ABILITY TO RUN AND MOVE IT THEN SAM MIKE LET ME I'LL LET LET ME GIVE YOU THE LAYMAN'S ANSWER TO THAT AND THEN I'LL LET SAM GIVE YOU THE MORE FORMAL LEGAL ANSWER. BUT YOU KNOW AH AH AH CUSTOM AND PRACTICE HAS BEEN THAT WE WORKSHOP ITEMS WITH YOU AND WE GET DIRECTION. WE WORKSHOP ITEMS WITH YOU AND ONE OF SEVERAL THINGS THAT YOU. YOU GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE ITEM IN ADVANCE OF YOUR WEDNESDAY MEETING BECAUSE YOU'RE INTENDING TO VOTE ON THE ITEM AND TAKE ACTION. WE. WE BRING THINGS TO YOU THAT WE AS THE ADMINISTRATION NEED[01:00:02]
TO DISCUSS WITH YOU BUT NOT IN THE DECISION MAKING FORMAT SO THAT WE CAN SHARE INFORMATION AND GET FEEDBACK AND THEN BRING SOMETHING TO YOU FOR A DECISION OR WE WE BRING INFORMATION TO YOU THAT WE NEED DIRECTION FROM YOU ON AND WE'VE GOTTEN THAT DIRECTION HISTORICALLY FROM AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF DIFFICULTY INTERPRETING THE EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST TO GIVE US DIRECTION TO THEN BRING THINGS BACK TO YOU FORMALLY THROUGH THE WHETHER IT'S LEGISLATION DEVELOPMENT OR POLICY DEVELOPMENT FOR A DECISION. TYPICALLY YOU'LL YOU'LL GIVE US THAT DIRECTION WITH AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST. WE'LL BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU EITHER AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP OR A FUTURE WORKSHOP AND YOU'LL DECIDE ON THAT AND IT'LL GO ON THE AGENDA FOR DECISION OR NOT. WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF DIFFICULTY INTERPRETING ALL OF THAT IN TERMS OF THE AGENDA AND THE SUBJECT OF OF OTHER THE CITY ATTORNEY IS CORRECT. WE'VE REVIEWED THAT RECENTLY. THAT'S NOT A PART OF THE. THAT'S NOT A PART OF THE CODE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER AND IT'S GIVEN COMMISSIONERS THE OPPORTUNITY AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP TO BRING UP ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP FOR DISCUSSION. AS YOU KNOW WE DON'T TAKE ACTION AT A WORKSHOP. SO IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW AN APPROPRIATE TIME AND VENUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS WHETHER THAT PASSES LEGAL MUSTER IN TERMS OF NOTIFICATIONS AND NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC.I'LL LET THE CITY ATTORNEY SPEAK TO SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT HE AGREES THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE SUBJECT FOR THE WORKSHOP BEING LESS SPECIFIC THAN THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE THERE ON THERE. BUT AGAIN I DON'T. WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF DIFFICULTY INTERPRETING YOUR DIRECTION AND BRINGING THINGS YOU KNOW AND BRINGING THINGS FORWARD AT FUTURE DATES AFTER A WORKSHOP BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'VE GIVEN.
IF YOU IF THE COMMISSION FEELS LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE A MORE FORMAL PROCESS THEN IT NEEDS TO BE A MORE FORMAL PROCESS AND WILL DEVELOP THAT PROCESS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR YOU AND WE'LL GET YOU TO ADOPT IT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A MORE FORMAL PROCESS TO FOLLOW. I AND MY COMMENTS THERE AND THROW IT BACK OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE LEGAL ELEMENTS OF THAT. BUT FROM AN ADMINISTRATION PERSPECTIVE THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IT HAS AS I THINK SERVED US WELL. IF IF WE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE WE NEED IT TO BE MORE FORMAL THAN WE NEED TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE IT MORE FORMAL. THAT'S UP TO YOU SAM. IT'S NOT ABOUT ME IT'S ABOUT YOU IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW YOU WANT TO DO YOUR BUSINESS. I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM. BUT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A FRAMEWORK WITHIN WHICH TO OPERATE. GIVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT MAY HAVE MAY MAYBE HELP. I'M GOING TO USE THE MARIJUANA ISSUE ONLY BECAUSE IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF LEGISLATION. IT'S ONE THING FOR YOU TO BUY CONSENSUS AGAINST SCHEDULE A MEETING OR HAVE A APPOINTMENT OR DO SOMETHING ALONE DON'T MAKE A DELEGATE TO UP IT TO A PARTICULAR PUBLIC ENTITY. BUT IT'S. BUT IF A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION SAYS I WOULD LIKE TO END THE BAN ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND OPEN UP DISPENSARIES THAT IS A DISTRICT THAT'S A DECISION POINT THAT GETS YOU TO AN ORDINANCE THAT GETS YOU TO A PUBLIC DISCUSSION WHICH REQUIRES A PUBLIC RIGHT OF ACCESS ET CETERA. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO OPEN UP MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE BEING PASSED. SO THE CONVERSATION THAT BEGINS THAT THAT THAT JOURNEY TO GET THERE IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF A JOURNEY. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE DISPOSITIVE ANSWER. THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE IS THE WHEN PART. SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT DURING A WORKSHOP THAT'S ONE THING BUT TYPICALLY NEEDS TO BE SOME DIRECTION GIVEN TO ADMINISTRATION UNTIL THEN TO YOUR LAWYER TO DRAFT SOMETHING.
AND FOR EXAMPLE IF THERE'S NOT THREE PEOPLE SITTING HERE THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN DOING SOMETHING LEGISLATIVELY IT LIKELY OR GETTING A DRAFT IS UNLIKELY. AND I CAN'T BEGIN TO DRAFT LEGISLATION ABSENT HAVING AT LEAST A MAJORITY THE COMMISSION DIRECTING ME TO DO IT. ADMINISTRATION I'M SURE WILL NOT REVIEW THINGS EITHER THAT ARE NOT OTHERWISE THE CONDITIONS DIRECTIVE BECAUSE THE THAT THE BODY ACTS AS A BODY IT'S A COLLEGIAL BODY THAT'S WHO YOU ARE. YOU MAY HAVE YOUR INDIVIDUAL ON A PUBLIC ENTITY THAT'S WHO YOU ARE. SO MY BEST ANSWER IS THAT IT DEPENDS UPON WHAT THE ITEM IS. IF IT WOULD BE MORE USEFUL TO TWO TO TALK ABOUT OTHER SUBJECTS I'M HAPPY TO TRY. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IS THE KEY AS IT IS A KEY ELEMENT TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE REQUIRES TO TWO PUBLIC READINGS TO WORK TO A DIME WHICH IS ONE OF WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION REQUIRES ONE REVIEW. BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE UMBRELLA OF THE STATUTE THAT SAYS THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE DECIDING TO SPEND GRANT MONEY ON A SPECIFIC PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT UNDER THE STATUTE IF SOMEONE GETS UP IN THE AUDIENCE AS I WANT TO BE HEARD ON THAT SUBJECT BEFORE YOU MAKE A FINAL DECISION HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD UNDER THE STATE STATUTE AND YOU HAVE THE COMPETING ISSUE WHICH IS THE COUNTY CHARTER AMENDMENT WHICH SAYS
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THAT IF YOU GET TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT GRANT AND THAT GRANT ITEM IS NOT IN YOUR BACKUP WITHIN 48 HOURS OF THE MEETING UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY. TECHNICALLY SPEAKING IT SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED. AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WAS THAT MANY CITIES AND VERY COUNTY WERE SIMPLY MOVING ON ITEMS THAT THE PUBLIC HAD NO RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT. IT WAS NEVER POSTED WAS NEVER NEVER NEVER PROVIDED. AND EVEN AT SOME MEETINGS THEY WEREN'T GIVEN ANY BACKUP. THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE I SAID THAT EARLY ON WHEN THE CHARTER AMENDMENT PASSED. THAT'S NOT OUR SITUATION. OUR CLERK IS EXCEPTIONALLY GIFTED IN THE CONTEXT OF POSTING INFORMATION MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. SOME CITIES HAVE OTHER ISSUES IN THAT REGARD. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. SO BASICALLY WE HAVE COME BACK TO FULL CIRCLE TRADITIONALLY AND CUSTOMARILY THIS COMMISSION AS A BODY AT WORKSHOP HAS DONE CONSENSUS AND EXPRESSION OF INTEREST IN STAFF HAS MOVED FORWARD AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE WITH IT. MORE RECENTLY WE'RE NOW DEALING WITH MORE FORMALIZED PROCEDURES AND WE NEED SOME CONSISTENCY ON THE DAIS. WE NEED SOME CONSISTENCY FOR THE CITY STAFF. SO KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW UNLESS WE WANT TO JUST SAY FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NON LEGISLATIVE CONSENSUS WISE WE SAY WITH A CUSTOM AND THEN FOUR ITEMS THAT ARE LEGISLATIVE WE HAVE TO BRING IT UP IN A MOTION AT ON THE DAIS ON A COMMISSION MEETING. BUT IF I MAY QUICKLY OFFER WITHOUT WITHOUT WITHOUT HAVING TO REWRITE THIS PROVISION WHICH I'M HAPPY TO DO AT YOUR DIRECTION I MEAN I WORK FOR ALL OF YOU AND I'M HAPPY TO DO IT EVERYTHING IS RIGHT IN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR PROCEDURES BECAUSE THEY ARE YOURS AND THE CHARTER SAYS THEY'RE YOURS BUT YOU ALSO INTERPRET YOUR OWN PROCEDURES AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED MADAM MARY IF THAT'S THE PROCEDURE WHICH YOU WISHED TO TRAVEL UNDER AND YOUR COLLEAGUES SUPPORT THAT THEN THAT'S THE PROCEDURE INTERPRETING THE CURRENT TO DASH 34 AND COLLEAGUES. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR ITEMS THAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS AT OUR WORKSHOP WHEN WE GIVE AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST TO OUR CITY STAFF TO THE ATTORNEY. CITY MANAGER ARE YOU COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING ON THE WAY WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY DONE THIS OR ARE YOU SEEKING US TO BE MORE FORMALIZED WHEN IT COMES TO THE ITEMS THAT COME THROUGH THE WORKSHOP AND HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED FOR THEIR NEXT STEPS NEEDING TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR ON A COMMISSION MEETING. I AM COMFORTABLE IF IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKSHOP TO HAVE THE CONSENSUS BE THE WAY THE STAFF MOVES FORWARD. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA AND NOT DISCUSSED AT A WORKSHOP THEN WE NEED A MORE FORMALIZED APPROACH WHICH THEN WOULD BE THE SIX BUSINESS DAYS PROCEDURES OF OUR RULES. CORRECT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FISHMAN MENTIONING GALEN MAKE SOME CHANGES. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT MAKING A LOT OF CHANGES. SO FOR EXAMPLE I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO. WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOPIC AT HAND NOT MAKING OTHER BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES. I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS STOP HAVING WORKSHOPS EVERY MONDAY. I MEAN WE MEET TWO MONDAYS A MONTH AT 9 A.M. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN MAKE IT HERE ARE RETIREES. SO THIS IS NOT TRANSPARENT THIS IS NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. AND YOU KNOW I THINK I THINK EMPLOYEES CAN MAKE A BETTER USE OF THEIR TIME THAN THAN SITTING HERE SOMETIMES ALL DAY ON A MONDAY. BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION I MEAN THROWBACKS. I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU. I KNOW BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE FLOOR THAT I WAS ASKING. WE NEED TO DO IS ADD OTHER TO THE AGENDA ONE OR YOU CAN DISCUSS IT DURING YOUR STAFF REPORTS TOO OR AT A COMMISSION WORKSHOP. YOU CAN ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA. SO THERE'S THREE OPTIONS MADAM MAYOR IF I CAN JUST POINT OF ORDER FOR THE COMMISSIONER YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE WORD NEW BUSINESS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER AS AN OPTION TO RAISE IT ONLY BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE WITH THAT ON. NO NO NO NO. YOU SEE THERE'S NO SUCH THING LEGALLY IN FLORIDA'S NEW BUSINESS UNLESS IT'S NEW BECAUSE YOU'VE EXPOSED THE PUBLIC TO IT AND YOU'VE HAD THE APPROPRIATE RETIREMENTS TO GET GET THE NEW BUSINESS. SO FOR EXAMPLE I'M TRYING TO BE HELPFUL HERE. IF WE CAN JUST ADD OTHER. I MEAN IT'S NOT FORMALLY IN THERE LET'S MAKE IT PERMANENT OR YOU CAN INTERPRET WE SAY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ADD ON ON THE AGENDA SAYS OTHER OR NEW BUSINESS TO BASICALLY GIVE US A VENUE IF THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT THEN YOU'D HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THERE YOU GO. BUT THAT'S NOT THE SPECIFIC QUESTION. WHAT'S THE QUESTION NOW. WHAT'S THE QUESTION. AMERICA. BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION OK I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON WHAT COMMISSIONER GUILLEN SAID BECAUSE I THINK THAT HE'S RIGHT. I THINK THAT THERE'S TWO THERE'S TWO ISSUES ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S ONE THAT WAS AGENDA AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FORMALLY BUT. BUT THERE'S THERE'S AN ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S BEEN HANGING AROUND I THINK FOR A WHILE IS SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF WOULD[01:10:04]
LIKE TO TRY TO ADDRESS I GUESS IN MORE DETAIL AND MORE FORMALLY AND THAT AND THAT IS JUST ABOUT I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER GUILLEN IS GETTING AT IS MORE OF COMMISSION PROCEDURES. AND I THINK WE WOULD LIKE AND THAT'S I THINK THE TIMING IS GOOD FOR THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING READY TO GO ON YOUR BREAK. I THINK WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AS WELL TO SIT WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO SEE MADE IN IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. AND COMMISSIONER GUILLEN WAS TALKING I KNOW HE'S VERBALIZED TO ME BEFORE THE FRUSTRATION WITH THE WORKSHOP AND THE TIME OF THE WORKSHOP AND THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE WORKSHOP AND ALL OF THOSE ISSUES. AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR US TO SIT WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES AND HOW THEY'RE AFFECTING YOU AS THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES IN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THIS COULD BE BETTER STRUCTURED GOING FORWARD TO ALLOW YOU TO BE BETTER REPRESENTATIVES MORE REPRESENTATIVE AND ALLOW THIS WHOLE PROCESS TO BE MORE REPRESENTATIVE AND MORE TRANSPARENT. AND SO YOU HAVE ONE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST TO YOU THAT YOU GIVE US FORWARD AS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO MONTHS MOSTLY WHILE YOU'RE ON BREAK AND COME BACK TO YOU AFTER YOUR BREAK FOR A MORE DETAILED WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU PUT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE WE HEARD I THINK FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS ON FRUSTRATION WITH CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE PROCESSES THAT WE USE NOW. AND YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT INTERNALLY ON A REGULAR BASIS IS THAT WE.ASSESS THAT WE USE TO BE A BARRIER TO THE GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND IF WE HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT ARE SERVING AS BARRIERS TO YOUR GOALS NOT FACILITATING THE ATTAINMENT OF THOSE GOALS THEN WE REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THAT. AND SO I THINK WE'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT WHAT WHAT ARE THE SOURCES OF FRUSTRATION FOR YOU AS COMMISSIONERS IN TERMS OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND HOW CAN WE DESIGN A BETTER PROCESS THAT BETTER SERVES YOU TODAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'VE WE'VE TALKED A LOT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT WELL THIS IS CUSTOM AND PRACTICE AND A LOT OF THAT CUSTOM AND PRACTICE IT ISN'T WRITTEN DOWN ANYWHERE IT'S NOT IN A RESOLUTION IT'S NOT IN AN ORDINANCE IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE CITIES FUNCTION AND WE FOLLOWED THAT AND THAT'S WORKED UP TO THIS POINT.
BUT AS THE CITY EVOLVES AS AS REPRESENTATION EVOLVES AS THE COMMISSION CHANGES THERE THERE MAY BE A NEED TO REVISIT SOME OR A LOT OR ALL OF THAT AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME SOME BETTER WAYS OF DOING BUSINESS AT THIS POINT. AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. IT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO IT AND AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA NOT FOR TODAY BUT NOT FOR TODAY THAT WE CAN. BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF WE HAD TO VOTE ON A CONSENSUS WHICH PROCESS ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET UP TO THE POINT WHERE WE CHANGE OUR RULES SO COMMISSION GO. THAT WAS WHERE I WAS WITH PROCEDURALLY FOR RIGHT NOW PROCEEDING WITH ITEMS THAT COME UP AT OUR WORKSHOPS THAT WE EVOLVE TO HANDLE CONSENSUS AND LET THE CITY STAFF KNOW THAT CONSENSUS TODAY WILL MOVE THEM FORWARD TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS OVERNIGHT AND WE'VE ALREADY WORKSHOP THE NON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT HERE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AT THIS TIME THE SIX BUSINESS DAYS. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR CONSENSUS FOR I STILL LAUNCHED IN THE QUESTION I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO REPHRASE THIS TO GIVE ME DO YOU SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSED AN ITEM AT A WORKSHOP WE HAVE NEXT STEPS THAT WANT TO BE DEVELOPED FROM IT THAT IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS HERE TODAY OUR STAFF KNOW THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE'VE HAD CONSENSUS HERE TODAY AT A WORKSHOP VERSUS HAVING TO FORMALIZE IT SEPARATELY AT A MEETING WITH EMOTION. MY PREFERENCE IS TO FORMALIZE IT SEPARATELY AND I'M MEETING WITH EMOTION AND FROM WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID WE CAN'T WE CAN'T. THE WORKSHOP IS ONLY FOR DISCUSSION SO WE HAVE DISCUSSION WE HAVE CONSENSUS AMONG OURSELVES WE CAN DECIDE WHO IS GOING TO INTRODUCE THE ACTION AT THE COMMISSION MEETING. QUITE FRANKLY I FORGOT AT THE AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TO LOOK AT MY NOTES OR LOOK AT THE THE THE WORKSHOP AGENDA. WHEN I SAW THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA I REALIZED OH YEAH I REMEMBER THAT. LET ME LET ME MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. I CONSULTED WITH THE COMMISSIONER BECAUSE HE ASKED THE QUESTION WHERE IT WAS MY VENUE AND I SAID WELL YOU
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ONLY HAVE LET THIS OTHER. WELL THAT'S WHY TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FORGETTING WAS THE QUESTION FOR IF WE CAN USE THIS FORUM AS MOVING FORWARD. SO WE'VE GOT ONE YES WE'VE GOT ONE NOW THAT'S MAYOR I THINK THE WORKSHOP IS THE AVENUE FOR US TO DISCUSS AND A LOT OF TIMES WE MAY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS WHICH ALLOWS US TO HEAR EACH OTHER'S. I THINK IT'S A VALUABLE TOOL AS FAR AS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE THE PROCEDURE WE GET CONSENSUS. WE INSTRUCT STAFF AND THEY GO FORTH WITH THAT MIGHT THEY MEET MAY NEED TO BRING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BACK TO US BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER OUR CITY MANAGER'S SUGGESTION THAT WE INDIVIDUALLY SPEAK TO ABOUT SOME OF OUR CONCERNS THEN I DON'T SEE ANY SENSE IN CHANGING SOMETHING NOW AND THEN CHANGING IT AGAIN. SO I WOULD SAY KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. NO NO NO. THAT WAS ACTUALLY VERY SHORT. GOOD. VISIBILITY. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS SO I MEAN IF I CAN GET SOME SOME BACKGROUND AS TO WHY WHY WE'RE DOING THIS IS THERE'S BEEN RECENT MONTHS WHERE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN FLOWING AS SMOOTHLY AS THE PROBABLY COULD HAVE IF WE WERE KIND OF ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SO. SOME OF US ARE GOING ON PROCEDURES THAT WE'VE BEEN USED TO SOME ARE GOING ON PROCEDURES THAT ARE NEWLY BEING ADVISED US IS NEW RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EFFECTIVE AND CLEAR. WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING FORWARD WE ARE STILL ON THE SAME PAGE TOGETHER AS A GROUP. SO IF WE ARE WE'VE TRADITIONALLY ALWAYS DISCUSSED PULLED APART AND THEN WHEN WE PULL IT APART WE HAVE NEXT STEPS THAT WE ASK THE CITY STAFF TO DO. WE'VE HAD CONSENSUS HERE RECENTLY NOW WE'RE PUTTING IT ON A WORKSHOP WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PROCEDURALLY OR PROPERLY AN AREA FOR IT IN ORDER TO GET A MOTION ON THE TABLE THE REQUEST IS TO KEEP IT AS WE HAVE PROCEDURALLY HERE IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AND AN EXPRESSION OF INTENT. MOVE IT FORWARD. HAVE OUR CITY STAFF MOVE IT FORWARD. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BRINGING FOUR TO A COMMISSION MEETING TO FORMALIZE IT IN A MOTION OR THE EXPRESSION OF INTENT THAT WE'VE ALREADY JUST DONE ON ITEMS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE AGENDA SO FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA OUR CITY WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW OUR RULES OF GETTING IT TO OUR CITY STAFF SIX BUSINESS DAYS IN ORDER TO ALLOW US TO HAVE MORE FULL AND INTELLIGENT CONVERSATIONS WHERE THINGS ARE RESEARCHED AND COMPLETE AND ALSO GIVING THE PUBLIC THE ABILITY TO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT THEY WILL WANT TO HEAR THAT NOTICE PROVISION THAT SAM WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER. LET'S SAYING THAT THERE IS SOMETHING WE'RE DISCUSSING IN THE WORKSHOP THAT MY RESIDENTS OR MY RESIDENTS A CONSTITUENT DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND WE'RE DISCUSSING IT AND THEN WE GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO MOVE IT FORWARD. WE MIGHT AGREE WITH IT BUT HE MAY NOT WORKSHOP HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK WHEN WE MOVE IT TO THESE WHEN WE MOVE IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND A MOTION IS MADE THERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STAFF AND THERE HE HAS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK AND VOICE HIS OPINION SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF WE DISCUSS THINGS HERE AND TELL STAFF TO MOVE IT FORWARD WE'RE A BUNCH OF COUNCIL MEMBERS RESPECTFUL WE WE'RE NOT INCLUDING RIGHTFULLY THE RESIDENTS OPINION. SO WHICH WITH WITH MOVING IT TO THE COMMISSION MEETING IT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO THEN NOW COME AND DISCUSS OR OR OR COMMENT ON WHAT WAS SAID AT THE WORKSHOP. SO THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS NOW. IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE RESIDENTS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK IN A WORKSHOP THEN OK BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GIVEN THE ABILITY TO SPEAK IN MY WORKSHOP THEN I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST TELLING STAFF HATE TO DO[01:20:05]
THIS AND LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD AND THAT'S IT. BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD AND BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. IF I MAY I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT THE WORKSHOP IS REALLY FOR US IT'S FOR US TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM CITY STAFF BUT FOR THE PART ABOUT GOING TO THE PUBLIC. USUALLY WHEN WE'RE SAYING LET'S MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAID IT'S A DRAFT FORM FOR THEN ANOTHER DISCUSSION IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL TO WHERE WE WOULD WORKSHOP IT AGAIN THEN WE BRING IT TO A PUBLIC MEETING AND THAT'S WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS THEIR COMMENTS. SO IT'S NOT TO CUT OUT THE PUBLIC. IT'S FOR US TO GET MORE INFORMATION BEFORE EVEN THE PUBLIC WOULD BE KNOWING WHAT TO SAY BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME I'LL USE THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA AS AN EXAMPLE. WE HAD ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION FOR GOING FORWARD WHILE SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE BELIEVED THAT IT HAS A SET DESIRE OF HOW WE'RE GOING. IT MAY HAVE A SET DESIGNER WELL GOING BUT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY BECAUSE THERE'S STILL MORE CONVERSATION TO BE HAD AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE CONVERSATION FROM THE PUBLIC AS THAT MOVES FORWARD. IT'S ALL PART OF THE PROCESS YOU'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. YOU CAN'T GO STRAIGHT TO THE END WITHOUT HAVING THE BEGINNING AND THEN THE MIDDLE AND BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND PROCESS. SO AT THE WORKSHOP AND AT THE COMMISSION MEETING IF A PERSON IS COMING UP AND MAKING COMMENTS ON IT THEY'RE MAKING COMMENTS ON IT BASICALLY THE SAME RESPECTS AS WE ARE.WHERE WOMEN DON'T HAVE THE FULL INFORMATION BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. YEAH. BUT BUT HERE'S THE THING. THERE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP THAT PERHAPS DOES NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AND IF WE'RE GIVING CONSENSUS FOR STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND DO SOMETHING WITHOUT COMING BACK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT'S WHERE THE BUCK WOULD HAVE STOPPED. WE WOULD NOT HAVE GONE TO THE COMMISSION MEETING AND SAY HEY LET'S FORMALIZE THIS AND LET'S HAVE THE PUBLIC BE HEARD. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP THAT WE DON'T NEED STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH INFORMATION. WE'RE JUST TELLING THEM TO GO AND DO SOMETHING RIGHT. FOR INSTANCE IF SISTER CITIES WERE SITTING IN FRONT OF US AND WE WERE LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT. WELL WE WE DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEA. SO LET STAFF GO BACK AND DO WHATEVER THEY DO NOT COME BACK TO US. THE PUBLIC WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HEARD SOMETHING. THAT'S A POOR EXAMPLE. BUT YOU KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS HERE THAT THE STAFF WILL JUST GO AND DO DON'T COME BACK. WHAT'S WITH THAT AND WHETHER THAT'S WHERE THE RUB IS RIGHT NOW. THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT WE'VE EXPECTED STAFF TO DO BASED ON CONSENSUS HERE AND THEY WILL MOVE NOT A VOTE. AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE COMFORT IN THE PROCEDURE ANYMORE OR VICE VERSA FOR SOME ITEMS. THEY'RE BEING MOVE FORWARD BASED ON OUR TRADITIONAL PROCEDURE AND THEIR SON. AND THEY'RE NOT BEING DONE AND I'M NOT SAYING MOTIONS WITH LEGISLATION JUST GENERAL ITEMS ARE NOT BEING DONE WHICH IS WHY I'M JUST TRYING TO PULL SOME CONSISTENCY OUT OF THIS COMMISSION SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FLUIDLY UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT CHANGES MIGHT BE MADE AFTER THE CITY MANAGER MEETS WITH THE FIVE OF US ON HOW WE'RE GOING FORWARD OR MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. BUT HERE'S THE THING. WHATEVER IT IS WHATEVER IS DISCUSSED HERE IN THE WORKSHOP. ONE TWO THREE FOUR THE THEY APPEAR ON WEDNESDAY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IF THERE IS A FIVE WHICH IS OTHER AND IT DIDN'T APPEAR HERE ONE TWO THREE OR WHAT WE DISCUSSED FIVE AS AN OTHER SOMETHING AND THEN SIX AND THAT AS AN ORDER TO SOMETHING THEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS ADD THAT NEXT FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN THING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S MOVE FORWARD. AND IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO DISCUSS THE ITEM WE PULL IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO IF I HAVE A FILE THAT SAYS I WANT TO THIS CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE PLASTIC CUPS ANYMORE I WANT OUR PAPER CUP AND I BROUGHT THAT TO THE TO BE WORKSHOP AT 5:00 WE DISCUSSED IT AND IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO TO DO WHAT WHAT I'M ASKING TO DO THEN YOU SIMPLY PUT IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR WEDNESDAY AND WE VOTE WE VOTE IT THERE. AND IF WE DON'T WANT TO VOTE YES OR NO. YOU SIMPLY FOLLOW IT AND VOTE HOW WE WANT TO. BUT THEN THE THE CITY THE CITY AS RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMENT ON IT THE THINGS I DO AND I'M JUST MAKING IT. I'M TRYING. BEFORE YOU GO TO GO NEXT YOU'RE TALKING
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ABOUT ADDING A NEW ITEM THAT'S NOT DISCUSSED AT WORKSHOP OR YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ITEM ON THE BAN ON THE CHANGE OF YOUR CUPS WAS ALREADY ON THE WORKSHOP. WAS IT ALREADY ON THE WORKSHOP. NO. BUT BY VIRTUE OF HAVING NO FIVE OTHER IT BY VIRTUE OF HAVING A MEMBER OF FIVE OTHER IT IS OPENING THE DOOR FOR US TO BRING ANY OTHER ITEM THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS. AND ON THE WORKSHOP AGENDA I'M FROM THE CITY COMMISSION REGULAR AND AT THE END OF THE AGENDA THERE IS ITEM NUMBER 12 WHICH IS OTHER THAT ALSO OPENS THE DOOR FOR ANY COMMISSIONER TO BRING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF THE AGENDA SO SO. SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS WHY WE'VE BEEN DOING THINGS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST AND WE'VE BEEN VERY COMFORTABLE WITH DOING THINGS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST. I MEAN NOT NOT TO DIGRESS BUT IF NOT LITERALLY I TO KEEP IT ON THIS. I WON'T DIGRESS BECAUSE THIS DOCUMENT HAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THEM. I'LL MENTION THEM IN PASSING UNDER UNDER EACH ONE THE. THAT'S THE FOUR SAYS NO MEMBER MAY SPEAK MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES CONTINUOUSLY UNLESS A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COMMISSION VOTES CONTRARY. SO IF I'M SPEAKING FOR 10 MINUTES ON IN THE PAST I'VE NOT SEEN WHERE THE CITY CLERK CLAP ONCE IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO ME. SO I READ THAT SOMETHING I'VE NOT SEEN WHERE THE CITY CLERK PRESSES THAT TIMEKEEPING THING AND SAYS OK YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. AND HERE IS WHERE YOU'RE COUNTING DOWN. AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO DO IT AND YOU HAVE ONE SECOND LEFT. AND HERE'S THE THING. WE'VE NOT DONE THAT. SHOULD HAVE BEEN MY RIGHT. WELL IT'S NOT. AND I HAVE TO SAY WHEN I TOLD YOU I I'VE NOT DONE THAT. NO BUT IT'S. BUT IT'S NOT YOUR ROLE BECAUSE IT SAYS UNLESS A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COMMISSION VOTES CONTRARY RIGHTFULLY SO. SO THERE IS NO PLACE. I ONLY SAY FIVE MINUTES BUT I'VE NOT DONE THAT. NO NO NO NO. BUT IT'S NOT YOUR IT'S THE CITY COMMISSION'S ROLE. IT SAYS UNLESS A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COMMISSION. LET'S MOVE ON FROM THERE. I BELIEVE THAT WE WE WE GO WE GO TO PAGE NUMBER SIX SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES DURING WHENEVER THEY'RE SPEAKING. SO HERE IS THAT THREE MINUTES. IF YOU GO TO PAGE SEVEN SUBSECTION I. IT SAYS SPEAKING TIME FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR ANY PARTICULAR TOPIC ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE ADDED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. SO WHEN RON WASSERMAN IS SPEAKING FOR SEVEN MINUTES AND NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THAT BECAUSE HE IS ENTITLED TO IT LISTEN HE CAN SPEAK ALL HE WANTS BECAUSE HE LIVES IN SHANGRI-LA J DRIVE AND HE HAS PILES OF DIRT IN HIS BACK YARD AND HE HAS THE RIGHT TO COME TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND TALK ABOUT THAT BUT THEN WHEN YOU SAY TO RON WASSERMAN OK YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND YOU CAN DO FOUR MINUTES AND FIVE MINUTES AND SIX MINUTES AND 10 MINUTES HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THEN YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS ON. THE MAYOR IS NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE HIM ADDITIONAL TIME HERE IT SAYS THE CITY COMMISSION SHOULD SHOULD SUBPOENA AT THAT TIME SAY OK. SHOULD RON WASSERMAN SPEAK MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. YEAH YEAH YEAH. OK RON YOU CAN GO. SO. SO LISTEN I'VE I'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THIS DOCUMENT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS AND I CAN GO THROUGH THIS LINE MY LINES AND ALMOST I CAN JUST LET JUST LET ME FINISH. I CAN GO THROUGH THIS LINE BY LINE AND SHOW YOU WHERE WE HAVE NOT FOLLOWED ANY OF THIS RULE. SO. SO HERE'S THE PROBLEM WHEN WHEN ONE PERSON HAS A PROBLEM WITH ONE THING THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE. NOW WE'RE COMING AND WE JUST WE JUST WANT TO SAY OK LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS LITTLE THING. LET'S CHANGE THIS LITTLE THING. AND WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS LITTLE THING. BUT ALL THE OTHER NUANCES AND ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS IN THE DOCUMENT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT. SO THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT LET'S COME BACK AFTER THE BREAK. LET THEM DO THEIR THING DURING THE BREAK. LET THEM WORK OUT. I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY DON'T WORK OUT THIS LITTLE THING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING BUT THEY WORK OUT[01:30:01]
ALL THE NUANCES OF THIS DOCUMENT. AND IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE NUANCES OF THIS DOCUMENT DON'T BRING THIS LITTLE THING TO US. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.THEY WON. THEY WON. YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS THEY WON. I SAID YOU WANT ME TO HOLD IT. I WON A FIVE MINUTE FILM RESTORATION. AND I WILL HOLD YOU TO THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT TO TRY AND GET US BACK IN SEPTEMBER. THAT'S THE CASE WE HEAR YOU WE HEAR YOU.
BUT THAT'S THE POINT. WE HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. YOU WANT TO GET ME BACK TO THE PART WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS ONE OTHER THING AND I'VE SEEN DISCUSSING THIS ONE LITTLE THING THAT'S THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THE WHOLE DOCUMENT HAS A FULL LIST AND WE GOT IT. YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINT. THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO BRING IT IN. YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINT SO SO. SO HERE HERE'S MY HERE'S MY TAKE. LET STAFF GO BACK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. THAT IS VERY INTELLIGENT. IT IS LEFT OVERBROAD BROWARD COUNTY AND DOES A GREAT WORK. LET HIM GO BACK AND FIND ALL THE NUANCES IN THIS DOCUMENT AND COME BACK TO US WAS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER. COMMISSIONER BOLTON HAS BEEN BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR AND THE CITY MANAGER ALREADY IS HAS ALREADY SAID SO LET HIM GO. LET HIM GO DO HIS WORK. BUT I'M TRYING TO GET US BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. WE DO HAVE PROCEDURES THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. YES WE DO AND THE MISSION ABOUT AND WE HAVE PROCEDURES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE'RE ON BREAK. YES BUT THIS IS NOT TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S COMING BACK IN THE MOST IMMEDIATE FIRST THING IN AUGUST WHEN WE GET BACK. WE HAVE TO ALLOW OUR CITY STAFF TIME TO DO THINGS. PLUS YOU ALSO NEED CONSENSUS ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. SO AGAIN I'M TRYING TO GET US TO THE PROCEDURES WHERE THE CONSENSUS WILL BE. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR NOT THAT COMPLICATED I PROMISE IF VICE MAYOR AND WE TRY AND MAKE THIS SIMPLE AS IN CHINA. WE ARE ALL SAYING THERE NEED TO BE SOME CHANGES. YEAH THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS RATHER THAN CHANGE ONE LITTLE THINGS WE LEAVE EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS AND GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE DOCUMENT CHANGE. LET'S NOT WASTE TIME DOING ONE LITTLE THING AND GOING BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CONSENSUS HAS BEEN REQUESTING THAT WE PROCEED THE WAY WE ARE IN ORDER TO GET STUFF DONE FOR RIGHT NOW WHILE IT'S GOING BACK TO CITY MANAGER WE'LL BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS. IF YOU YOU ASKED FOR US TO JUST FOCUS ON THIS ONE LITTLE THING THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. YOU SAID [INAUDIBLE] NO LET'S NOT GO TO THE OTHER CHAIN OTHER PROBLEMS. LET'S FOCUS ON THIS ONE WOMAN'S GOT TO VOTE. WE'VE GOT TO FINISH ONE SECTION FIRST COMMISSIONER OF AUTOMATION. BUT WE WEREN'T DISCUSSING ALL THE OTHER ISSUES THAT I MENTIONED BECAUSE AT THAT TIME PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T EVEN THINK THAT I HAD ISSUES WITH THE OTHERS. I KNOW YOU. I JUST I JUST BROUGHT THEM UP AND THERE ARE OTHERS I JUST TORN UP HOLD HOSTAGE THE STAFF THAT SHOULD BE WORKING HERE FOR ANOTHER TWO HOURS. I CAN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. I JUST I'M JUST SAYING LET LET THE CITY ATTORNEY MEET WITH US EACH INDIVIDUALLY. FIND OUT WHAT PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT AND FIX IT. UNTIL THEN LET US KEEP DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR UMPTEEN YEARS AND AND JUST BE DONE WITH. THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH ME. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY. WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THAT. THERE IS CONSENSUS ON THE DAYS THAT WHEN WE HAVE CONSENSUS ABOUT AN ITEM THAT IS THE EXPRESSION OF INTENT FOR THE CITY AND STAFF TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO UNTIL SUCH TIME WHEN WE REVISE OUR DOCUMENT NO CONSENSUS. ACTUALLY THE THREE OF US SAY YES. NO. WHO'S THE THREE. NO NO ME. THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT'S THE VICE MAYOR. COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN AND MYSELF. THAT'S NOT AGREED. SO WHAT WHAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS DISCUSSING IPHONES IN A WORKSHOP. AND WE BRING IT INTO THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING ON ON ON ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'M SAYING IF THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL 5. THAT WAS NOT ON THIS AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP THEN THAT FIFTH THING. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE CONSENSUS OK IT DIES. IF IT DOES HAVE CONSENSUS IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE WORKSHOP. IT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING CONSENT AGENDA AND VOTED ON YES OR NO. THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE WHICH WOULD NOT BE DOING THINGS THE WAY WE DO THINGS CHANGE. IT'S BEEN HERE FOREVER. NUMBER FIVE OR NUMBER SIX OF NUMBERS OF NUMBER EIGHT DEPENDING ON HOW MANY ITEMS WE HAVE HAS BEEN HERE FOREVER AND SORT OF NOW BUT IT IS A DIFFERENCE. IT IS A CHANGE IN THE PROCEDURES BECAUSE IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THE WAY YOU'RE ASKING. SO THERE IS A CHANGE IN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR COMMISSIONER BOLTON. OK IF I MAY I'M IF I MAY IF I MAY. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION IF I IF I HAVE AN ITEM THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS IT WAS. IT WAS SUNDAY AND
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I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT SAYING DON'T PUT A PUBLIC FACILITY IN MY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANT TO DISCUSS THAT THING. AND TODAY RIGHT NOW MY NUMBER FIVE YOU'RE SAYING I CAN'T I CAN'T DO THAT. I CAN'T PUT SOMETHING ON THE WALL. I CAN'T.AT NUMBER FIVE RIGHT AFTER THIS NUMBER FOR THE CASE FOR THEN THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM.
NO IT'S A SEPARATE ITEM. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW. NO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. IT'S VERY EASY TO SPLIT IT UP AN ITEM THAT IS. NO. COMMISSIONER BOLTON. NO IT'S A SEPARATE ITEM. YOU YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING SEPARATE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT WAS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA VS.. YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING NEW TO THE AGENDA. OK. SO OK SO SO SHALL WE FINISH. WHY IS THE. BUT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. WHY IS NUMBER FIVE HERE. BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AN ACCIDENT ON OUR THING FOR YEARS. ACCIDENT FOR YEARS. I GUESS SO BUT THAT'S NOT THE COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I'M ASKING YOU TO STOP FOR A SECOND PLEASE AND RECOGNIZE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. AN ITEM ALREADY ON THE AGENDA WITH THINGS TO MOVE FORWARD AND DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE VERSUS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADD ON ITEM TO WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING. WELL YOUR YOUR EXAMPLE YOU JUST PROVIDED THAT IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENT ON SUNDAY WHO HAS AN ISSUE WITH A PUBLIC FACILITY POSSIBLY BEING BUILT IN THEIR BACKYARD YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT SEPARATELY ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM THEREFORE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS SINGLE AND WORKS. WE'VE HAD TO WALK ON ITEMS. SO WHAT DO WE DO IS WALK ON ITEM YOU MOVED OUT ONTO THE AGENDA WHICH YOU'VE TYPICALLY DONE IF YOU HAVE IF IT BE THE WISH OF. IF I MAY MADAM MAYOR IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE AGENDA THAT'S NOT ALREADY ON THE AGENDA. YOU DO NEED TO ACTUALLY MOVE TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA WHICH YOU RECALL YOU'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST YOU'VE NOT PERSONALLY BUT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE IT IS AN ITEM THAT RELATES TO IT TO AN ITEM LIKE THAT DESCRIBED BY COMMISSIONER BOLTON MOVED THAT TO THE AGENDA. THAT'S THAT'S OK TO DO. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE FROWNED UPON BY THE LAW. BY THE WAY WALK ONS ARE NOT. NOT NOT NOT FAVORITE BECAUSE THE BECAUSE OF TWO THINGS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW AND DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE ITEM IS HAS A RIGHT TO BE HEARD ON THEM. IN WORKSHOPS THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE A RIGHT TO ACTUALLY BE HEARD ON THE SUBJECT. SO SO SO SAM IF IT'S IF I MAY THROUGH MY GIFTS THAT IS IS THE IS THE SAME THING. IF YOU'RE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE RIGHT TO BRING AN ITEM AS A WALK ON CITY MANAGER AS A AS AN AS IT SHOULD BRING AN ITEM AS A WALK ON. AND SO THE COMMISSIONER HAS HAS THAT RIGHT TO BRING THE ITEM AS A WALK ON SIMILARLY IF I'M IN A WORKSHOP AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS BECAUSE I WANT TO DISCUSS IT SO THAT WE HAVE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CITY COMMISSION. IT IS THE SAME THING I AM DISCUSSING IT AS A WALK ON. THAT'S WHY I NUMBER FIVE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE EAR.
THAT'S THAT'S NOT I'M NOT DISAGREEING ABOUT THAT. WELL THERE'S SOME AGREED WITH IT BECAUSE YOU SAID IT'S BEEN AN ACCIDENT FOR YOU BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE JUST FOUND OUT. IT'S NOT WITHIN OR IT'S NOT IN OUR WORDS. THIS WAS WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT BY GOING THROUGH THIS. THIS IS NOT A DISAGREEMENT THIS IS A DISCUSSION TO FIGURE OUT THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT MAKE THINGS SMOOTHER THAN WHAT HAS BEEN CURRENTLY HAPPENING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS THROUGH THE CHAIR THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DO. AND MICHAEL SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DO CUSTOM THAT'S NOT DOCUMENTED IN PRACTICE RIGHT. SO FOR YEARS THIS OTHER HAS BEEN THERE AND IT SAYS HERE THE CITY COMMISSION MAY CONSIDER AND ACT UPON SUCH OTHER BUSINESS AS MAY COME BEFORE IT. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. AND SO SO MY SUGGESTION TO THOSE GOES TO THE CHARTER AND THE STATE LAW. YEAH RIGHT. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE JUST FORMALIZE AND ADD IT TO THE TO THE TO THE ORDINANCE. CORRECT. BUT WE'VE ALSO BEEN DISCUSSING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR AUDIENCE RIGHT NOW SUBJECT TO THE CITY MANAGER MEETING WITH US OVER THE SUMMER TO MAKE HOLISTIC CHANGES VERSUS SPOT CHANGE. YOU SAID THAT WE HAD CONSENSUS TODAY AND WE DON'T. I HEARD VICE MAYOR SAYING LET'S NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES LET'S CONTINUE TO DO THINGS AS WE'VE DONE. SHE SAID UNTIL THINGS WERE REVIEWED THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. EXACTLY. SO THEN BELIEVE IT OR NOT. LOOK I MAY CHANGE TODAY EXCEPT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE RIGHT NOW. DIFFERENT PARTS OF TRYING TO WRAP THIS UP BECAUSE THIS IS GETTING ON THE SAME PAGE. BUT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT YOU'RE READING BLACK AND I'M READING BLACK WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS. SO WHEN I GIVE CONSENSUS TO SAY THAT LET'S CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING UNTIL WE MAKE CHANGES. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS AGENDA WITH FIVE OTHER.
I'M I'M GO I'M SEPARATE I'M TRYING TO SEPARATE THIS OUT PLEASE CAN YOU PLEASE LET ME SEPARATE THIS OUT. MARLON I'M ASKING YOU I'M SEPARATING IT OUT FOR A REASON. THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS ITEMS DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP THAT WE ALREADY
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HAD ON THE AGENDA WE'LL MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE MOTION AT THE WORKSHOP UNTIL SUCH TIME OUR DOCUMENTS ARE REVIEWED AND WE GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURE. AS FOR ADD ONS WITH HIS FATHER WHICH IS OTHER NOW SEPARATE TOPIC. OK. WE HAVE JUST DISCUSSED HOW PROCEDURALLY WHILE OTHER MAY BE THERE AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE WORK ON THAT WALK ONS THERE HAS BEEN DONE RECENTLY. IT IS NOT THE BEST PRACTICES BASED ON NOTICE AND PUBLIC NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC. AND TIMING FOR OUR STAFF TO PREPARE TO GIVE US INFORMATION TO HAVE FULLY INTELLIGENT COMPLETE CONVERSATIONS ON THAT OTHER YOU MAY WANT TO BRING FORTH. WE HAVE THAT ABILITY THAT'S ON THERE FOR EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT QUITE HONESTLY THERE'S ANYTHING VIRTUALLY ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE THAT'S EVER BEEN AN EMERGENCY. THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST SAID THAT THE LAW DOES NOT FROWN AND OTHER BECAUSE THE LAW IS ON THE SIDE OF SAYING OK LET'S DISCUSS IT. OBVIOUSLY HE DOES.YOU KNOW I LOVE THE LAW FRED. THEY MET A MAYOR THE LAW FROWNS ON WALK ON BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS DISARMED BY THAT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. SO IN THE PAST WHEN I'VE WHEN I'VE SAID ON THE DAY AS WISE AS WALK ON HERE I DON'T LIKE WALK ONS WHY ARE WE DOING IT. AND THEN PEOPLE SAY OH IT'S A WALK ON IT'S OKAY. I'VE SAID IT. DON'T YOU HEAR ME SAY IT I'VE HEARD IT WITH TIME. THAT'S ALL SO. SO THEN WHY DIDN'T WE SAY IN THE PAST ALL THE LAW'S PROBLEMS AND WALK ONS YOU SEE. OUI OUI OUI OUI OUI. THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF CONSISTENCY AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO FIX THE PROCEDURES TO BE MORE MODERNIZED AND CONSISTENT BECAUSE THERE OBVIOUSLY ARE SOME INCONSISTENCIES THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE RULES. WE GOT THAT PART CLEAR. COMMISSIONER GALLANT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY INCONSISTENCIES WANT TO GO BACK TO THE MARIJUANA DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A CONSENSUS HERE BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE DIRECTION AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND SO ANYBODY COULD HAVE SAID DURING THEIR STAFF REPORT DURING THE OTHER DRUMMING WHENEVER. LET'S FOLLOW UP ON THIS TOPIC AND GIVE DIRECTION. WE CAN'T GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF FROM HERE BUT YOU'RE MISSING THE THE BEGINNING PART WHICH WAS PROCEDURALLY WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO GIVE EXPRESSION OF INTEREST HERE WHICH DID NOT ALWAYS DONE THAT CORRECT WHICH DID NOT NEED FOR US TO WORRY ABOUT FINDING A LOCATION ON THE AGENDA. TO THEN ASK FOR A MOTION FOR THIS IS A NEW STEPS THAT IS MADE DURING YOUR COMMISSION REPORT. WELL WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'VE NEVER HAD TO DO THAT BEFORE BECAUSE BECAUSE PROCEDURALLY THROUGH CONSENSUS WE'VE GIVEN AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST AT THE WORKSHOP WHICH SAW WHAT HAPPENED THAT THE CONSENSUS WAS GIVEN AT THE WORKSHOP CITY STAFF WOULD GO AHEAD AND START. WHY WASN'T THAT DONE WITH THE MARIJUANA THING. IT IS BEING DONE. WE ALSO AS A COMMITTEE WASN'T JUST IT WASN'T THAT WE GAVE THE ORDER AT THE COMMISSION MEETING.
WELL I SAID SOME PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHAT GOT ME IS WHY WE'RE DOING IT HERE.
YES I WOULD SECOND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH OUR STAFF KNOWING WHAT WE WANT. BUT HOW DO WE HAVE TO GO FROM STAFF STAFF HAS TO WAIT FROM OUR ORDERS FROM THE. THAT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN FROM THE TURN THE WHOLE POINT. IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN GIVEN FROM THE WORKSHOP AND NOW THEY'RE QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT CONSENSUS FROM THE WORKSHOP AND MOVE FORWARD OR DO WE HAVE TO HAVE MOTIONS FOR EVERYTHING. THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE FOR IT ALL. AND WE GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY AND THAT'S THE CITY ATTORNEY THE CITY ATTORNEY WHAT DOES HE SAY THERE IN THE WORKSHOPS. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE REQUESTS AT THE CITY COMMISSION. ACTUALLY THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS ASKING FOR THIS FOR. FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE. WE HAVE CONSENSUS NOW DRAFT AN ORDINANCE BASED ON CONSENSUS BUT WE CAN'T GIVE THAT ORDER HERE. WE HAVE TO GIVE IT THE AT THE COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE IN WORKSHOPS WE DON'T TAKE CREDIT BUT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD. YES. CORRECT. COMMISSIONER FISHMAN NOR SAN I SEE THAT THAT'S THE REASON THE MOTIONS WORKED REALLY WELL BECAUSE THEY THEY ARTICULATE A POSITION WITH A SECOND AND A VOTE CONSENSUS IS CERTAINLY HELPFUL BUT IT'S NOT EMOTION IS HAS THE LEGAL DIFFERENT LEGAL TEXTURE IF IT BE THE WISH OF THE COMMISSION THAT YOU TAKE ACTION IN THE CONTEXT OF CONSENSUS TO DIRECT US TO DO SOMETHING WE'LL DO THAT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE PURE LEGAL ESSENCE OF THAT IS BY. BUT THE MOTION IS THAT IS THAT IS THE CLEAR SIGNAL AS TO WHAT TO DO. IT TELL STAFF WHAT TO DO TELLS ME WHAT TO DO AND I CAN WRITE A REPEAL OR AUDIENCE TODAY THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. CAN WE REPEAL THE BAN. THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S THAT'S A ONE LINER AND IN A RESIDENT AN ORDINANCE CREATING AN ORDINANCE THAT REGULATES THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. THAT'S WHAT STAFF NEEDS TO LOOK AT IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT SPECIFIC ITEM. SO I THINK WHAT WELL WE REQUESTED AT THE LAST MISSION MEETING WAS TO LIFT THE BAN. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THEY
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STILL HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH TO REPEAL IT TO REPEAL THE CURRENT BAN. THAT'S RIGHT.SO OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR HAD A COMMENT AS WELL. DID YOU THINK WE HAD YOU HAD CONSENSUS A DIRECTION YOU MADE A COMMENT SHE CAN'T SPEAK FROM FROM THE AUDIENCE.
YES. RIGHT. ROACH AND SHE HAS TO GIVE HER AN. SHE'S FINE WHERE SHE IS AT THIS TIME BASICALLY. IT'S ALL GOOD. WHO IS WHERE A LOT OF HAVE PERSONALITY IT'S NOT IMPORTANT RECOMMENDED SPEAKING THE RECOGNITION OF LIKE TO SPEAKING THROUGH THE REFLEX WAS SPEAKING ROUTINE. I WILL SAY I WILL SAY HER NAME. JUST GIVE ME A SECOND THROUGH THE CITY MAXINE CALLAWAY AND THE CITY MANAGER. YES. SHE WORKS FOR THE MANAGER FINDS THE CITY MANAGER. SO YOU WANT THE CITY MANAGER TO PUT HER NAME INTO THE RECORD SO THAT THE RECORD PROPERLY REFLECTS THE CITY MANAGER IN CALLOWAY WHO WAS COMMENTING ON HER ASSIGNMENT. EXHALE RIGHT. WHATEVER IT WAS. SO THROUGH THE CHAIR I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER. DO YOU OR YOUR STAFF HAVE CONFUSION. SO WHAT DIRECTION TO TAKE. BASED ON A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE AT A COMMISSION WORKSHOP. SO I THINK THAT I THINK THAT THIS IS ALL STEMMING FROM A WORKSHOP WHERE WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION NOT SIMILAR TO THIS ONE IT WAS ON A SPECIFIC ITEM AND THERE WAS A CONSENSUS ACHIEVED TO GIVE US DIRECTION. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME ADVICE GIVEN TO FORMALIZE THAT IN THE FORM OF EMOTION IN THE COMMISSION MEETING IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT. AND THAT'S THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN A CONSENSUS FROM YOU HERE ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH WITH WHATEVER YOU DIRECT US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHETHER THAT BE COMING BACK TO A WORKSHOP OR GOING TO A COMMISSION MEETING FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION. THAT DIRECTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN I THINK CLEAR TO TO THE STAFF. I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE IS WHAT PROCEDURE IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO USE. DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION AT THE WORKSHOP AND AND HAVE US THEN COME BACK TO YOU OR DO YOU WANT TO FORMALIZE IT AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID IN THE FORM OF A MOTION AT THE COMMISSION MEETING TO GIVE US THAT DIRECTION. IT'S REALLY UP IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. I MEAN YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID THERE'S THERE'S BEEN CUSTOM AND PRACTICE.
YOU SEE WHAT YOUR RULES SAY. YOU KNOW WE'VE WE'VE ALWAYS WORKED AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER BY BY GETTING CONSENSUS IF THE CONSENSUS ISN'T CLEAR THE MAYOR IS ASKED FOR AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST WHERE WE'VE FORMALIZED THE CONSENSUS. I MEAN THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES WHERE WE'VE HAD DIFFICULTY INTERPRETING WHAT THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION FROM THE WORKSHOP CAN YOU GIVE THE REAL EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. WE CAN'T. ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU GIVE THE REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SO WE CAN RECALL AND COMMENT AS YOU WERE SAYING THERE WAS A SIMILAR DISCUSSION AND YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD. THERE WAS I'VE JUST REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AND I'M SORRY I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. BUT THE COMMISSION HAD GIVEN IT SAID WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THE ADVICE WAS TO FORMALIZE IT AND EMOTION AT THE COMMISSION'S MEETING. WHICH WAS KIND OF NEWLY INTRODUCED AT THAT POINT YOU KNOW WHICH IS WHICH IS FINE. LIKE I SAID IT'S UP TO YOU HOW YOU WANT TO DO THAT. IT'S NOT UP TO US. WE'RE JUST LISTENING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THE DIRECTION PROPERLY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD THE WAY THAT YOU DO RIGHT. WE JUST NEED SOME CONSISTENCY FROM US. SO AND IN THE CORRECT PRACTICE BASED ON OUR LAWS IS WHENEVER WE COME TO CONSENSUS THEN WE BRING IT UP AT A COMMISSION MEETING AND GIVE FORMAL DIRECTION AT A COMMISSION MEETING. I WOULD JUST SAY MR. PRESIDENT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION PRACTICE AND WHAT ARE OUR ORDINANCE ACTUALLY SAYS AND THE FACT THAT THE WHOLE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE LIKE THAT. WE HAVE THREE MEETINGS BEFORE WE GO TO SUMMER BREAK. FROM ME. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD STAY WITH CUSTOMARY PRACTICE FOR RIGHT NOW AND BE CLEAR AS TO THE DIRECTION AND BEING GIVEN A CONSENSUS GIVE THE STAFF THE TIME THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THE FULL ORDINANCE COME BACK TO US WITH CHANGES AFTER THEY DISCUSS IT WITH US. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW LEAVE IT IS CUSTOMARY PRACTICE. SO THE CONFUSION ENDS. IS THIS FOR BUSINESS ALREADY DISCUSSED FROM THE AGENDA. IS IT FOR NEW BUSINESS FOR BOOKS
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FOR BUSINESS THAT IS DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP. IF IT IS A WALK ON ITEM IT NEEDS TO BE THE DIRECTION NEEDS TO BE GIVEN AT THE COMMISSION MEETING. I'M GONNA JUST STICK WITH THE FIRST ONE WE'LL DEAL WITH THE SECOND ONE LATER. WE'VE MOVED ON FROM THE FIRST ONE. NO NO WE ACTUALLY NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO BECAUSE IT WAS CALLED BACKUP THE WALK ON PART IS SOMETHING SEPARATE COMMISSIONER BOLTON. DO YOU AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER FISHMAN SAID. OKAY. THERE IS A THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THOUGH.WALK ONS CAN MEAN WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WALK ONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AGAINST US.
NO I SAID WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WALK ON PART. LET'S JUST GET YOU HAVE TO. YOU HAVE TO. WE HAVE ACTUALLY WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON ON ON THE PROCEDURES MOVING FORWARD WITH CONSENSUS AT THIS MEETING IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS IS OUR EXPRESSION OF INTENT TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE CHANGE OUR RULES ON ANYTHING THAT IS AGENDA IS ALREADY FOR DISCUSSION FOR A STAFF TO MOVE OUR WAY WITH GETTING US THE INFORMATION WE NEED. WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS. I JUST SAID IT. CAN THE CITY ATTORNEY DESCRIBE WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS. I'M SURE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY OF THE CITY CLERK IS CLEAR THAT A MAYOR WOULD BE HELPFUL LIVING IF AS YOU DID EARLIER TO TURN TO YOUR COLLEAGUES AND SAY YES YES YES OR NO DEPENDING UPON THAT WOULD HELP HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR CONSENSUS IS AS WELL DISCUSSING CONSENSUS AND HAVING IT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. IF YOU IF YOU IF YOU ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S THE PROCESS YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT WHICH IS TO SAY YOU CAN CONTINUE TO EMPLOY TRADITION AND PRACTICE INTERPRETING THE CODE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU COLLEAGUES HOPEFULLY UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH THE CONSENSUS. WE'RE TRYING TO REACH FOR THE FIRST ITEM IS THAT ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA AND DISCUSSED THAT HAVE FOLLOW UP NEXT STEPS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS GIVEN A CONSENSUS FOR WHICH I. WHICH AGENDA MET A MERE WORKSHOP AGENDA ECONOMIC AGENDA THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED SO WORKSHOP AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S ONLY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE WORKSHOPPING DISCUSSING AND THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION WE NEED MORE INFORMATION OR DIRECTIVE FROM THERE THAT WHEN WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO GIVE THE CITY STAFF OUR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST NO FURTHER MOTIONS OR ITEMS ARE NECESSARY FROM THIS COMMISSION FOR THE CITY STAFF TO DO THAT. AFTER THE WORKSHOP THAT IS THE CONSENSUS ITEM I'M LOOKING FOR COMMISSIONER FISHMAN'S AVERY STATED IN THE WAY THAT YOU ARE STILL IN AGREEMENT. YES COMMISSIONER YELLEN WAS THE COURSE. OH JIMINY CRICKET YOU ASK HER A QUESTION YES. IT'S THE SAME QUESTION I'M GOING DOWN THE LINE FOR THE CONSENSUS ON THE SAME QUESTION THOUGH. OK THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. YES MR. BOLTON MADAM MAYOR. YOU KNOW I LOVE AND RESPECT. I'M LOOKING AT A WORKSHOP AGENDA RIGHT NOW AND THE REGULAR MEETING RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE IN THE WORKSHOP IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUY MOTION HAS IN THE COMMISSION MEETING. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU ASKING FOR CONSENSUS TO DIRECT STAFF IN THE COMMISSION IN THE WORKSHOP REALLY DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION IN THE REGULAR MEETING BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT APPEARS HERE ON THE WORKSHOP APPEARS HERE NOT IN THE WAY IT'S GOING TO ABOUT IT. HOLD ON. THAT APPEARS HERE IN THE COMMISSION MEETING REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. NOW NOT ONLY ARE THEY ARE THEY ARE NO COMMISSION SIDE TO SIDE THEY KNOW THERE ARE TIMES THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SOMETHING IT DOESN'T APPEAR ON A REGULAR CITY AGENDA.
SO THOSE THINGS THAT APPEAR ON THE WORKSHOP FOR DISCUSSION ARE ALWAYS ALWAYS TO TELL STAFF TO DO SOMETHING AND COME BACK TO US WITH MORE INFORMATION. WE'LL WORK IT OUT THROUGH WORKSHOPS AND WHEN IT'S FINALLY WORKED OUT THEN WE MOVE IT TO THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. WE TELL YOUNGSTERS THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT
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WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN DISCUSSING WE SEND IT TO STAFF. STAFF COMES BACK TO US LATER.LATER. WE GO BACK TO STAFF. STAFF COMES BACK TO US. AND THEN WHEN WE DISCUSS IT BECAUSE PERMISSION WORKSHOP IS DISCUSSION WHEN WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AND IT'S REFINED THEN WE NOW MOVE THAT TO THE REGULAR MEETING AND WE VOTE ON IT AT THAT TIME.
RIGHT BUT THAT'S NOT THE NOTE NECESSARILY THE NEXT WEDNESDAY RIGHT. CORRECT. BUT WHY WOULD WE WANT TO VOTE ON IT. MIXED WITH ZACH COMMISSIONER WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN WE'VE DONE THAT. THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'VE SENT IT BACK TO THE CITY STAFF THROUGH WORKSHOP WITH OUR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST AND THEN EVENTUALLY WHEN THEY DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IT'LL COME BACK PRECISELY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THE CONSISTENCY TO STAY THERE UNTIL SUCH TIME WE'VE CHANGED OUR RULES. IF WE CHANGE OUR RULES ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IT IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. AND AS YOU'VE EXPRESSED TO SO AS THAT NOD YES YOU ARE. ARE YOU CONCERNED. YOUR CONSENSUS MAYOR. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. AGAIN MY MY PROBLEM IS WHILE I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH OUR VOTER CAN WE JUST PLEASE JUST SAY YES I CAN FINISH THIS BUT REALLY AND FINISHED YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT GOT CHANGED SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR FEELING OF THAT BUT IT GOT SIDETRACKED AND YOU. SO I HAVE CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW PLEASE. BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ASSETS TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR. SO NOW CITY ATTORNEY OKAY WELL WE CLEAR ON THIS. SAID THIS PART THIS PART.
ARE YOU ASKING ME AND ASKING ME TO ASK EACH OTHER WE ARE CLEAR YOU ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THE PROCEDURE. THE ANSWER IS I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT CONSENSUS IS. BUT THE ANSWER IS YOU DO CHOOSE TO IMPLEMENT WHAT YOU WISH YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS FOR WHICH IS TO FOLLOW YOUR CODE OR ACT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. AND THE COURT DOES NOT HAVE CONSENSUS DOES NOT KNOW THAT MAXIMUM NUMBER THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING WITH THE CALLS WE'RE MAKING OF OUR OWN RULES HERE.
IT'S CALLED. WE'RE TRYING TO TEMPORARILY CODIFY OUR PROCEDURES THROUGH THIS MEETING AND SO WE THERE'S NO PROVISION IN LAW THAT SAYS WE COULD THE. YES ACTUALLY YOU CAN YOUTUBE YOUR OWN PROCEDURES AND RULES YOU FOLLOW THEM YOU CAN FIND OUT HOW TO FIRE THE WRONG WORD. WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE THE CASE ITSELF. BONSOIR FORGOT ABOUT ANOTHER SCHOOL. I THOUGH I CAN TELL. COMMISSIONER GOLLAN BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE VICE MAYOR. WE WE APPEAR TO BE GETTING SO FAR OFF BASE HERE SO MAYBE WE NEED TO REWIND AND NOT TRY AND CHANGE SOMETHING THAT EITHER DOESN'T NEED TO BE CHANGED OR IS ALREADY IN PLACE AND SHOULD BE SHOULDN'T BE AND ALLOW OUR CITY MANAGER TO MEET WITH EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY AND EACH OF US GIVE HIM OUR REQUEST FOR CHANGES AND AT THAT POINT WE COME BACK AND READDRESS THIS ISSUE RATHER THAN SIT HERE ON THE HAMSTER WHEEL AND KEEP DISCUSSING IT AND WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS AND SO LET'S JUST MAYBE TAKE A STEP BACK REWIND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND WE REVISIT IT. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION OF EMPHASIS ON THE LAST ITEM AND I'M TRYING TO GET THAT PUT FORTH ONTO THE RECORD SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THAT LAST ITEM. AND THEN AGAIN WE WILL BE HAVING OUR PROCEDURES AND RULES LOOKED AT OVER THE SUMMER. SO OK. SO I WANT ONE LAST. WE'RE NOT THERE 18 SECONDS. QUESTION I WILL GET BACK TO THAT WHICH IS IF IT FLEW THROUGH THE CHAIR SOME COULD WE BE CHALLENGED. IF WE CONTINUE TO GIVE CONSENSUS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY NOT IN OUR CODE COMMITTEE COULD WE BE CHALLENGED BY SOMEONE SOMEWHERE ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS MAY RESPOND THERE. YES YOU COULD CERTAINLY BE CHALLENGED IN THE CONTEXT OF PROCEDURE BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE IS A TRADITION CUSTOM AND PRACTICE WITH REGARD TO THESE EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED HERE. THAT'S THE SAME CONNOTATION AS CONSENSUS. THAT'S WHAT IT'S AN INTERPLAY OF THE SAME WORDS. THE ANSWER IS THAT YOU COULD BE CHALLENGED BUT BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE SUBS. WHAT'S THE CHALLENGE GOING TO BE THAT YOU PROCEDURE WAS WRONG. THE ANSWER IS THAT THAT CUSTOM PRACTICE AND TRADITION WHICH THE CITY DOES HAVE ALTHOUGH UNQUANTIFIABLE CAN HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW IF IT'S CONSISTENT IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW IT'S APPLIED. THERE THERE IS CASE LAW WHICH HELPS US AND GUIDES US TO LET US KNOW THAT. IS IT A PREFERRED PROP YOU
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CAN'T YOU CAN'T HAVE CONSENSUS ON WEDNESDAY THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. YOU CAN HAVE BUT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC VOTE ON A SUBJECT. MOTIONS SECOND CARRIED NEW MAJORITY CARRY THE ISSUE. THIS IS A WORKSHOP SETTING IT'S NOT A SPECIAL MEETING SPECIAL MEETINGS AS YOU KNOW CAN ONLY BE ABOUT A SPECIFIC TOPIC. YOU CAN'T ADD ANYTHING TO A SPECIAL MEETING AGENDA. WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE LAW OF FLORIDA YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T ADD TO OR SUBTRACT FROM THE THE SPECIAL MEETING AGENDA IS A SPECIAL MEETING AGENDA A REGULAR MEETING IS SET FORTH IN YOUR CODE. SO REALLY YOU'RE WORKSHOPS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE MORE FLUID THE MORE FLEXIBLE BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU CAN'T TAKE A VOTE HERE AND CONSENSUS AT LEAST IN THIS CITY HAS BEEN AS A MATTER OF TRADITION CUSTOM AND PRACTICE AT HAT HAS HAD THE FORCE OF LAW IN THE CONTEXT OF AT LEAST HOW YOU'VE BEEN PROCEEDING. BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING THERE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE SITTING IN THESE CHAIRS NOW THAT WERE SITTING IN THESE CHAIRS BEFORE AND YOU NEED TO INTERPRET YOUR CODE HOW YOU BEST WANTED TO WANTED TO APPLY. AND AT THIS TIME WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO PROCEED THE WAY WE'VE BEEN PROCEEDING AND THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW WITH INTERPRETATIONS WITH OUR INTERPRETATION. THAT'S A VERY PRACTICED EXPRESSION OF INTERESTS ON THIS DAY FROM THE WORKSHOP NOW MOVING ON TO THAT NEXT ITEM THAT YOU'VE WANTED TO DISCUSS.COMMISSIONER BOLTON OF THAT WALK ON THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE STARTED THIS ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO AGO. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET NOT SO OTHER.
THERE IS A THERE IS A THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AT LEAST IN MY MIND AND THAT'S WHY I WANT US TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OTHER AND WALK ON. EXPLAIN TO PLEASE WHY WE FEEL THE DIFFERENCE IS A WALK ON COULD BE HERE SOME MARCHING IN WITH A DOCUMENT AND SAY THERE IS A DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU PLEASE CONSIDER IT IT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY ON THE AGENDA. IT'S A WALK ON ITEM. HERE IT IS.
GO THROUGH IT ON A WHIM READ FIVE 10 PAGES ON A WHIM AND MAKE A DECISION RIGHT THERE IN THE COMMISSION MEETING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE I CAN'T READ 10 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS RIGHT THERE AND THEN TO MAKE A DECISION WHICH I'M BOUND BY LAW. FLORIDA LAW TO DO RIGHT THERE AND THEN. OR IF I DON'T DO IT I GET AN ETHICS COMPLAINT. THAT TO ME THE. OTHER IS. HERE COMES MIKE ALLEN. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIM. HERE COMES MIKE GALLON NOW WITH OH YEAH. HERE COMES MIKE GALLON WITH AN IDEA AND HE SAYS I WANT TO DO THIS THIS THIS NIGHT CAN I GET A MOTION TO DO THIS. AND WE SAY YES NO MAYBE SO. AND WE MOVE ON AND THAT'S IT. THAT'S OTHER DOESN'T NECESSARILY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DOCUMENT THAT IS WORKED ON BUT IT'S SIMPLY OUT OF THE HAT OUT OF HIS HEAD OUT OF OUT OF HIS CAP. HE JUST SAID SOMETHING AND HE WANTS TO DO IT. I E OTHER MEANING I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER WHO IS VERY INTELLIGENT WHOM I LOVE DEARLY. HE'S AWESOME. RIGHT. YEAH. I WANT TO DIRECT A CITY MANAGER TO FIRE THE THIRD DEPUTY IN CHARGE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE COMMOTION THAT HAPPENED IN TAMARACK. THAT'S OTHER THAT'S THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT A WALK ON. THAT'S OTHER THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S YELLIN COMING TO A MEETING SAYING HE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING. AND HERE WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON IT. SO NOW THAT YOU KNOW WHAT MY INTERPRETATION OF WALK ON AND OTHER IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. SO PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER WALKER.
WELL WE WILL NEVER DISCUSS. WALK ON IS A NEW ITEM THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP WHICH I BELIEVE HAS BEEN HEARD AND WILL BE LOOKED AT. THERE ARE PROCEDURES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REWRITING OUR ORDINANCE AND THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WILL BRING UP WITH THE CITY MANAGER FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE FUTURE. SO WHAT IS WISE AND OTHER. WILL WE BE CONTINUING THE PRACTICE OF HAVING WALK ONS OR WE WON'T. WELL TEMPORARILY RIGHT NOW. I MEAN THAT'S VERY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. SO COMMISSIONER BOLTON WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE WALK ON PART OF THE PROCESS THAT HAPPENS CITY MANAGER CITY ATTORNEY. DO YOU HAVE ANY THING YOU WANT TO ADD. I WILL THROW OUT ONE THOUGHT IF THERE IS A WALK ON ITEM JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE UNTIL PROCEDURES ARE DONE. IF THERE IS TRULY AN EMERGENCY ITEM THAT'S A WALK ON HAS TO BE HAD THEN MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET THE MONDAY BEFORE IF POSSIBLE FOR THE WEDNESDAY OR IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE IF WE HAVE IT THEN WE TAKE 10 15 20 MINUTES BEFORE REVIEWING THE ITEM. SO WE HAVE TIME TO READ IT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION FOR RIGHT NOW IF WE HAVE ANY WALK ON ITEMS THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE A PROCESS CHANGE JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.
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NOW JUST AS FAR AS WALK ON ITEMS ARE CONCERNED. WALK ON ITEMS ARE THE EXCEPTION THEY'RE NOT THE RULE. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE AGENDA. BUT IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF WALK ON ITEMS TO THE CITY COMMISSION AGENDA. AS YOU KNOW WE TRY NOT TO DO THAT SOMETIMES IT'S NECESSARY BUT THAT'S BEEN ON ON ON VERY RARE OCCASION DO WE WALK AN ITEM ON TO THE WEDNESDAY AGENDA FOR YOU KNOW YOUR CONSIDERATION. COMMISSIONER BOLTON HAS EXPRESSED HIS CONCERN ABOUT WALK ON ITEMS THAT CONCERN HAS BEEN NOTED AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT. BUT AS I SAID THREE YEARS SO IF THERE HAS BEEN TO WALK ON ITEMS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS OR THREE WALK ON ITEMS I WOULD BE SURPRISED LIKE I SAID WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK. WE DON'T WALK ON ITEMS REGULARLY OR FREQUENTLY. WE DO. WE DO SO OUT OF NECESSITY. IF YOU WANT TO PROHIBIT WALK ON ITEMS. OK BUT YOU KNOW EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THERE'S A NECESSITY TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION FOR FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO I DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER'S LEGAL ADVICE ABOUT WALK ON ITEMS I BELIEVE WHEN WE'VE WALKED AN ITEM ON IN THE PAST WE'VE FOLLOWED THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS TO DO SO AND HAVE BEEN MASSES TO PLEASE. FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU HAVE A GRANT THAT WAS NOT KNOWN TO THE COMMISSIONER OF STAFF BEFORE THE WEDNESDAY MEETING AND THERE WAS A DEADLINE FOR FILING THE APPLICATION OR DOING SOMETHING WHICH IS EMERGENT IN NATURE THAT THAT'S A LEGITIMATE WALK ON ITEM WHICH IS ADDED TO THE AGENDA. ACTION IS TAKEN THE CLERK DOES EVERYTHING SHE CAN TO POST THE INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE FOR THE BACKUP OF THE ITEM AND THAT'S A FIDUCIARY OBLIGATION YOU HAVE TO LOSE A GRANT FOR NOT HAVING APPROVED IT WOULD BE A LARGER SIN THAN TO NOT CONSIDER IT AS THE CASE MAY BE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY EXAMPLE OF WHAT A WALK ON WOULD BE. I THINK THAT THAT'S CONSENSUS. COMMISSIONER BOLTEN'S CONCERN THAT THAT THAT'S A WALK ON ITEM I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLTON SPEAKING TO IS AN IDEA IS AN IDEA THAT ARISES DURING THE COMMISSION MEETING THAT ASKS FOR ACTION VIA THE DEPUTIES. THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT A TRADITIONALLY WALK ON ITEM ALTHOUGH IT IS ADDED TO THE AGENDA BY THE COMMISSIONER WHETHER BE COMMISSIONER GUILLEN OR YOURSELF OR ANYBODY ELSE FOR THAT MATTER. AND YOU RAISE A VERY VERY VALID POINT. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT LIKE A GRANT SITUATION. THAT'S A I WOULD LIKE THE MANAGER TO DO THE FOLLOWING WITHOUT ANY BACKUP WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION EXCEPT HIS THOUGHT THAT HIS ALLEN THOUGHT TO OFFER WANTING CERTAIN ACTION BE TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION. YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T DO IT AT A WORKSHOP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TAKE LEGAL ACTION AT A WORKSHOP BUT IT IS SOMETHING WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ADDED TO THE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION. IT MAY BE ADDED TO WITH A MOTION THAT SAYS WE'D LIKE TO STUDY THE ISSUE WE'D LIKE TO REVIEW THE ISSUE WE'D LIKE TO DEFER IT FOR FURTHER REVIEW. WE'RE NOT DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE MOTION ACTUALLY BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THERE. THAT'S THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES WHICH THEN GOES BACK TO THE REASON FOR BRINGING IT UP TO GIVE TO NOT HAVE THINGS ON OTHER WITH THAT WAS A SURPRISE. THE PURPOSE IS TO HAVE A CAREFULLY THOUGHT OUT MEETING. CLEAR DISCUSSION WITH ALL THE BACKUP THAT WE NEED. SO FOR YOUR EXAMPLE REGARDING THE RESULT YOU MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY WITH SOMETHING THAT GOT AN EMAIL ON SUNDAY. I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THAT ITEM IS SO NECESSARY IN EMERGENCE TO HAVE AT THE NEXT MEETING. OR CORRECT. SO IF YOU FOLLOW AND IS INFORMED TO DISCUSS THEN YOU GIVE THE CITY MANAGER. I'D LIKE THE ON A WORKSHOP COMING UP SO ALL THE INFORMATION THE BACKUP IS THERE. SO THERE ARE NO SURPRISES SO ALSO WHEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE PLANS THEY HAVE MEETINGS THEY NEED TO GO TO OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING. THEY KNOW THEIR AGENDA. AND AGAIN WE GET OUR PUBLIC TO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM TO BE DISCUSSED AND NOT TO USE THIS OTHER UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY WE CAN WORK IT INTO THE FUTURE. BUT IF YOU HAVE TO USE IT NOW I'M ASKING FOR IT TO BE UTILIZED WITH NOTICE AND CONSIDERATION. QUESTION FOR SOME THROUGH THE CHAIR WHERE IS IT WRITTEN IN LAW THAT SAYS A COMMISSIONER HAS THE RIGHT TO BE A HAS A RIGHT TO THE AGENDA. I CAN'T BE TOLD THAT I CAN BRING SOMETHING ON. WHEREAS IN IN FLORIDA LAW IS IN THE CODE IS WHAT IT WHEREAS I KNOW. I KNOW IT EXISTS. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. IT'S THE BEST ANSWER IS IS THAT YOUR CHARTER IS THE DOCUMENT THAT CHARTER AS I MENTIONED IN MY OPENING STATEMENT RELATES TO THE FACT THAT THE CITY COMMISSION THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF TAMARACK AUTHORIZES[02:10:01]
THE CITY COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THAT AND TO ADOPT ITS OWN RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS WHICH INCLUDES THE RIGHT TO COMMENT AND THE ACCESS POINT IN THE END THIS PROVISION DOES PROVIDE FOR ACCESS THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION ETC. GET TO GET ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CHARTER. WE CAN'T CHANGE OVER HERE BECAUSE CHANGE IN THE CHARTER HAS TO GO THE VOTERS FOR THE VOTERS RIGHT. BUT THAT'S A PROCEDURES PRIVILEGE AND SO YOU'RE BURDENED WITH THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CHARTER. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE BEING STIFLED. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL. I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOUR RIGHTS ARE RELATIVE THOUGH IN CONNECTION WITH THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE SITTING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAIS. AS WE TALKED ABOUT DURING MANY OF OUR LECTURES TOGETHER WHERE THEY HAVE RIGHTS. OUI OUI OUI. ALL RIGHT. YES. THAT THAT THAT PLACE WHERE OTHER IS IS IS PRECIOUS TO EVERYBODY. BECAUSE SOMEBODY ON THE DAIS MAY HAVE AN IDEA OR SOMETHING MAY BE HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY THAT REQUIRES AT THAT MOMENT TO TAKE ACTION. WE WE CAN'T DELAY. LET'S PUT IT ON THE NEXT MONDAY'S AGENDA. TWO WEEKS AFTER AND THEN VOTE ON IT WEDNESDAY WITHOUT THE ARCH EMERGENCY THEN THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY OF AN EMERGENCY ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED TIMELY.NO. I MEAN THERE WOULDN'T BE AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE SAYING LET'S TAKE IT OFF AND LET'S TAKE IT OFF PERIOD. YOU KNOW WE CAN'T JUST TAKE OFF OTHER AND IT'S NOT THERE. YOU. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT THERE. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE JUST TAKING IT OFF. IT DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR AUDIENCE OR IN OUR CHARTER. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE IT IN OUR PAPERWORK. IT DOESN'T. IT DOES EXIST BUT IT GOES BACK TO PROCEDURES AND CUSTOMARY PRACTICE. IT MAY IT IS IT IS IN OR IS IN OUR CHARTER THAT WE HAVE. THE AGENDA AND OTHER IS SAYING THAT THE COMMISSION MAY CONSIDER AN ACT UPON SUCH OTHER BUSINESSES AS THEY COME BEFORE IT. IT'S ALREADY THERE IT'S ALREADY THERE. BUT GUESS WHAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO IT IN THE RESPECTS THAT THROUGH THE RULES AND THE PROCEDURES YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT SOMETHING OUT SIX BUSINESS DAYS THAT IS YOUR ACCESS TO IT. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ANYTHING YOU WANT WHEN YOU WANT TO DO IT. IT HAS PROCEDURES IN ORDER TO GET THERE. MM MM. NO NO NO DOCUMENT.
OK. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME AGAIN WE HAVE DISCUSSED HOW WE WILL BE TALKING WITH OUR CITY MANAGER FOR CHANGES POTENTIAL CHANGES GOING FORWARD SO AS WITH THE OTHER ONE USING THAT WORD OTHER CUSTOMARY PRACTICE MY REQUEST TO THIS DAIS IS THAT YOU PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHEN YOU WANT AN OTHER ON THEIR SO TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE GIVING OUR CITY STAFF THE SIX BUSINESS DAYS THAT IT REQUESTS IN OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS TO HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE WILL NEED TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA SO IT CAN BE DISCUSSED. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PLACE IN ANOTHER. IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SO PRESSING TO ANY COMMISSIONER THAT IT MUST BE DISCUSSED IN AN OTHER. I AM ASKING YOU TO GIVE NOTICE OR CITY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE THE MEETING SO THAT I HAVE NOTICE SO I CAN PROCEED WITH RUNNING THE MEETING EFFECTIVELY. AND IF ALSO BY DOING THAT YOU GIVE OUR CITY CLERK TIME IF NECESSARY OR ABILITY TO PUBLISH IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS TO TRY NOT TO RUN AFOUL OF THE BROWARD COUNTY CHARTER THAT REQUIRES NOTICE ON AN ITEM BECAUSE WE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS FOR EMERGENCY NOT FOR NON-EMERGENCY BECAUSE IF I WANT TO HAVE SAY THAT EVERYBODY I WANT TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE PAINTING EVERY SEATTLE CITY BUILDING PURPLE THAT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY BUT IT'S A TOPIC I WANT TO DISCUSS NOW AND SOMETHING WE NEED TO VOTE ON. WE CAN JUST VOTE NO ON IT. BUT THE THING IS YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION HOW MANY CITY BUILDINGS DO WE HAVE HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST. WHEN'S THE LAST PAINT JOB I WOULD BE ASKING IS A DRAFT AND ORDINANCE. BUT THE THING IS YOU DON'T GO USUALLY A DRAFTED ORDINANCE YOU USUALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION BEFORE YOU DRAFT AND A MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION RIGHT THERE. BUT THAT'S AN OTHER THAT'S NOT SO IMPORTANT THAT I CAN'T FOLLOW THE RULE AT THE AIRPORT AND IF I'M THE ONE BRINGING IT UP THEN IS IT REALLY IMPORTANT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. SO ANY YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I BELIEVE THIS TOPIC HAS ALREADY BEEN SOME OLD ONE. I BELIEVE THE STAFF HAS WHAT IT NEEDS RIGHT NOW OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION.
CITY ATTORNEY AM I CORRECT OR DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE. I'VE LISTENED TO ALL OF YOU AND I'VE JUST AS MUCH AS I CAN. I'LL BE HAPPY TO HELP WHERE I POSSIBLY AM ASKED
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AND WE'LL DO IT. BUT WHAT WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CODE CITY MANAGER ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT IS SWALLOW 3. WE'RE DOING WITH IT AT THIS TIME. WE'RE LEAVING THE OTHER THERE AND SO WE. LET ME CLARIFY. BUT I'VE MADE A GUESS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA BE CONSISTENT OTHER STAYS ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S BEING ON THE AGENDA. AND THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO DO CALL FOR. DO I KNOW THAT I NEED. IT'S PART OF CONSENSUS. THAT'S THAT IF THAT IS THAT IS THE TRADITION AS PART OF THE PART OF THE BOARD AND WHAT I'VE MADE A REQUEST AND I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HEARD ME OF WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TO HELP WITH RUNNING THIS PROCESS A LITTLE MORE SMOOTHLY I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO BOTHER TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS ON THAT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AGAIN THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MEETING IS ADJOURNED. SEE YOU ON WEDNESDAY.
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