[1.a Solid Waste Services RFP Update Presented by Troy Gies, Assistant Public Services Director & Allison Trulock, Managing Director Solid Waste Practice NewGen Strategies & Solutions, LLC (Part 1 of 3)]

FIRST UP.

ONE A SOLID WASTE SERVICES RFP UPDATE.

THIS WILL BE PRESENTED BY TROY GUICE, OUR ASSISTANT PUBLIC SERVICES DIRECTOR, AND ALLISON TRULOCK, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE PRACTICE NEW GEN STRATEGIES AND SOLUTIONS, LLC. GOOD MORNING.

SHE'S ON SCENE. OKAY, GOOD.

I'M SORRY. I WAS LIKE. SO, UH, GOOD MORNING.

FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS TROY GUICE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES.

UH, ALLISON TRULOCK IS IS JOINING US ONLINE.

UM, SHE'LL HAVE, UH, SOME COMMENTS AS WE, AS WE GO ALONG.

I'M KEITH GLATZ, YOU'RE PURCHASING CONTRACTS MANAGER HERE FOR SUPPORT.

QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

SUPPORT FOR WHOM ARE YOU? TROY. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE COVERING A LOT OF GROUND TODAY.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO BE TOUCHING ON TWO, UM, MAJOR THINGS.

ONE IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT UPDATING THE SOLID WASTE RFP WHERE WE'RE STANDING WITH ON THAT.

AND WE'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT COUPLE OF SIGNIFICANT DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TODAY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND THEN ALSO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE RECYCLING PROCESSING.

THAT'S THE ITEM THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY'S MEETING.

SO FIRST OF ALL, REGARDING THE SOLID WASTE OVERVIEW HERE, WE'VE GOT AN UPDATED TIMELINE.

AND ALISON, IF YOU'RE THERE, IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS BRIEFLY.

DO I HAVE FOUND? UH, YES.

YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY.

OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, TECHNOLOGY. RIGHT.

WE'VE ALWAYS GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR ME.

SO LET ME JUMP IN ON TASK NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS GETTING INTO THE DRAFTING OF THE PROCUREMENT PACKAGE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AS TROY MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM COMMISSION ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS SO THAT WE CAN FINALIZE THE THE UPDATED RFP.

WE'RE AIMING TO GET THAT RELEASED IN LATE DECEMBER OR VERY EARLY JANUARY, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PRE-PROPOSAL MEETING IN JANUARY.

WE'LL ALSO ISSUE ANY ADDENDA.

IF CALLERS HAVE QUESTIONS, GIVE THEM 3 OR 4 WEEKS TO RESPOND AND THEN WE'LL GET THE PROPOSALS BACK, UM, BY EARLY MARCH AND GET THE COMPLETENESS REVIEW DONE.

THE COST EVALUATION, WHICH WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT TODAY, AND THEN ALSO THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UM, FOR THE SELECTION COMMITTEE TO BE EVALUATING.

WE THEN COME BACK TO COMMISSION WITH THE TOP RANKED PROPOSERS, AND WE'RE AIMING FOR APRIL.

IF WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN LATE MARCH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT IT MAY BE, UM, APRIL WHEN WE DO THAT, THEN GET THROUGH CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AND WE BRING A FINAL NEGOTIATED CONTRACT BACK TO COMMISSION IN MAY. AGAIN, IF WE CAN SQUEEZE ANY OF THAT IN MARCH AND APRIL, WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE YOUR NEXT CONTRACT STARTS ON SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2024.

SO WE WANT TO GET PLENTY OF LEAD TIME IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN VENDOR.

SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS OF OF OUR TIMING FOR WHAT'S COMING ON THE RFP SIDE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS I JUST WANTED TO FRAME WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

SO RIGHT NOW I'LL SHOW YOU REALLY QUICKLY WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR CURRENT SERVICE AND THEN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, POSSIBLY MAKING SOME CHANGES THAT WOULD BE SORT OF HARD WIRED INTO THE RFP.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING.

IT'S TWICE A WEEK IN CARTS.

SO IT'S IT'S A SEMI-AUTOMATED SYSTEM.

RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING IS ONCE A WEEK.

UM, IT'S WHAT WE CALL SINGLE STREAM.

SO EVERYTHING GOES INTO ONE CART.

UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL BULK AND YARD WASTE.

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THE YARD WASTE CAN GO IN WITH THE REGULAR GARBAGE SINCE EVERYTHING GOES TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

SO RESIDENTS DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THE CARTS FOR THAT.

OTHERWISE. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE WEEKLY BULK COLLECTION UP TO THREE CUBIC YARDS FOR CURBSIDE.

AND THEN ON MULTIFAMILY SIDE, THAT IS DONE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE THE THE, THE SOLID WASTE WITHIN THE MULTIFAMILY IS DEALT WITH THROUGH EITHER DUMPSTERS OR COMPACTORS.

UM, THE RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING IS TYPICALLY DONE ONCE A WEEK ON WEDNESDAYS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR THE MULTIFAMILY AREAS.

AND THEN JUST WE WANT TO KEEP COMMERCIAL ON THE, UM, UH, IN OUR MIND, THERE'S WE HAVE WE HAVE LESS SAY IN THIS, BUT I CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS.

UM, COMMERCIAL GARBAGE RIGHT NOW, BASED ON OUR, UM, CITY ORDINANCE IS EFFECTIVELY MINIMUM OF TWICE A WEEK.

UM, THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN THERE FOR RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT IT IS THIS IS WHOLLY BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THE HAULER AND THEM DETERMINING WHAT THE BEST FREQUENCY FOR THEM AND THEIR BUSINESS IS.

UM, COMMERCIAL RECYCLING, PER STATE LAW.

UM, WE THE CITIES HAVE VIRTUALLY NO SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS IN RECYCLING.

THERE IS SOME ROOM IN THERE FOR, UM, LICENSURE AND CERTIFICATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL WHO'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO WHICH BUSINESS IS, IS WHOLLY OPEN MARKET.

AND SO THE, THE BUSINESSES CAN CHOOSE WHOEVER THEY WANT TO USE FOR COMMERCIAL RECYCLING.

ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, JUST I WANT YOU TO KEEP THIS MIND AS WE GO THROUGH, BECAUSE THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE BACK ON TO TALK THROUGH IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP AND THE SURVEY.

I WILL WHOLLY ADMIT THAT I WAS DISAPPOINTED WITH THE TURNOUT THAT WE HAD AT THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP.

HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAD, UM, OVER 400 INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY.

200 OF THOSE CAME BETWEEN FRIDAY AND SUNDAY.

SO THAT THAT TIME PERIOD THAT WE HAD, THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP, WE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT OBVIOUSLY CHOSE NOT TO COME TO THE WORKSHOP, BUT WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE VOICING THEIR OPINION DURING THAT TIME.

AND SO I DO FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE MAIN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE HAD.

PEOPLE WEIGH IN ON OVERALL SATISFACTION WITH CURRENT SERVICES, SOME VALUE QUESTIONS, RECYCLING AND BULK COLLECTION.

I WANT TO DO A HIGHLIGHT OF SOME OF THE RESULTS.

I DID LEAVE JUST SO YOU GUYS HAVE THESE.

THE THIS PACKET HERE ON YOUR TABLE ARE THE RESULTS FROM THE SURVEY.

SO YOU'LL HAVE THE THE RAW RESULTS ON THERE IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THEM NOW OR LOOK AT THEM LATER.

SO FIRST OF ALL WE HAD RESIDENTS WERE OVERWHELMINGLY SATISFIED WITH THE CURRENT SERVICES.

SO THAT HELPS KIND OF FRAME WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

WE HAD 80% THAT EITHER STRONGLY OR SOMEWHAT AGREED WITH THE GOOD QUALITY SERVICES.

NOW, UM, HOWEVER, RESIDENTS ARE RELUCTANT TO PAY MORE.

SO WHEN ASKED IF ANYBODY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE FOR GOOD QUALITY SERVICE, MORE THAN 75% RESPONDED WITH NOTHING MORE.

AND THE NEXT THE NEXT ONE WAS ROUGHLY 17%.

ACTUALLY, THAT STATED THAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO SPEND 10% MORE FOR GOOD QUALITY SERVICE, AND THEN IT DROPS OFF AFTER THAT.

SO AGAIN, A GOOD FRAMING QUESTION THERE.

UH, WE ALSO HAD WE ASKED EVERYBODY TO RANK IN ORDER OF THESE SEVEN ITEMS WHAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT, WHAT WAS LEAST IMPORTANT.

AND SO WE HAVE VERY CLEAR IN PARTICULAR THE FIRST THREE, THE ISSUE OF THE COST, THE ISSUE OF LITTER AND APPEARANCE OF THE CITY AND ON TIME COLLECTION BULK COLLECTION IS FOURTH.

HOWEVER, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO RANKED IT AS FIRST WAS LESS THAN 10%.

SO WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT RANKED THE BULK COLLECTION SECOND AND THIRD MOST IMPORTANT.

UM, SO AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, I'M LOOKING AT THE COST, THE APPEARANCE OF THE CITY AND THE ON TIME COLLECTION AS BEING REALLY THE KEY CRITICAL ONES.

THE OTHER ONES, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE AGE OF TRUCKS, THE NOISE IN OUR COLLECTION AND CHOICE OF CART SIZE, THOSE ALL DROP OFF PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN RECYCLING IN PARTICULAR.

SO WE HAD NEARLY 60% STATED THAT RECYCLING WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, ANOTHER 20% MODERATELY IMPORTANT.

SO IN ALL, WE'RE LOOKING AT 90% OF THE CITY STATING THAT RECYCLING IS IS AT LEAST IMPORTANT.

WHEN WE DID ASK THEM SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT FOR RECYCLING, WE WERE VERY EVENLY SPLIT BETWEEN.

THE THE CHOICES OF WE HAD.

KEEP IT AS IT IS.

GO BACK TO DUAL STREAM WHICH IS SEPARATING THE PAPER FROM EVERYTHING ELSE, STOP RECYCLING ENTIRELY AND SEND EVERYTHING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT, OR STOP

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RECYCLING AND DO SOME SORT OF A OF A DROP OFF LOCATION.

WE HAD 35% OF OF THE RESPONDENTS.

UM RESPONDED BY SAYING, STOP RECYCLING AND SEND EVERYTHING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

32% SAID KEEP IT AS IS, EVEN IF COST INCREASE, AND THEN 27%, UH, CHOSE THE, UM, GO BACK TO A DUAL STREAM. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE ALSO ASKED THE RESIDENTS TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON THEIR OPINIONS REGARDING.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE RECYCLING, BOTH IMPROVE RECYCLING AND REDUCE CONTAMINATION.

SO WE HAD, UH, APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THE RESPONDENTS, UM.

RESPONDED THAT THEY FELT THAT MORE EDUCATION WAS, WAS, UM, WAS NEEDED.

UH, ABOUT 30%.

UM STATED THAT SOME, SOME KIND OF, UH, PENALTY, A FINE OR A FEE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

NOW, WE DID LOOK AT ALSO THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T RECYCLE, AND WE HAD 35% OF THOSE SAID THAT THEY JUST DON'T GENERATE ENOUGH MATERIAL, AND ANOTHER 30% SAID IT WAS TOO TEDIOUS TO CLEAN AND RINSE, AND THEN 20% DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS RECYCLABLE.

SO THERE'S UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, REALLY GOOD INDICATION OF SOME ADDITIONAL EDUCATION BEING NEEDED IN ORDER TO, UH, TO GET PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, UM, FOR RECYCLING AND BULK COLLECTION.

THIS ONE. WE ASKED PEOPLE HOW OFTEN THEY USE THE SERVICE, AND SO THE FIRST OPTION WAS ABOUT ONCE A MONTH OR ALMOST EVERY WEEK.

SORRY. ALMOST EVERY WEEK, ONCE A MONTH, AND THEN ONCE EVERY THREE MONTHS, ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.

SO WE HAD UM, THERE WAS 30.

ABOUT 34% OF THE PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY USE IT ONCE A MONTH, ANOTHER ABOUT 22% SAID THREE MONTHS OR QUARTERLY.

ANOTHER 10% SAID ONCE A YEAR WE HAD LESS THAN 30% THAT SAID THAT STATED THAT THEY USE IT ALMOST EVERY WEEK, AND ANOTHER 5% THAT SAID THAT THEY DON'T USE IT AT ALL.

AND UM, SO THE I THIS IS AN AREA WILL BE COMING BACK TO UM, I THINK THE BULK COLLECTION IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, VERY SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.

THERE IS, UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW WE DO CURRENTLY, HOW WE DO MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. SO SINGLE FAMILY CURBSIDE IS ONCE EVERY WEEK.

THERE'S A LIMIT OF HOW MUCH THEY CAN SEND OUT, BUT IT'S ONCE EVERY WEEK.

AND THEN FOR MULTIFAMILY IT'S ONCE A QUARTER.

AND IF MULTIFAMILY WANT TO DO MORE THAN THAT, THEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT DIRECTLY AND PAY AN ADDITIONAL SERVICE FOR AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR THAT. SO THESE ARE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT AND HOPEFULLY COME TO SOME CONSENSUS IS LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH HOUSEHOLD GARBAGE AND, AND IN PARTICULAR WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CARTS.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE CART SIZES.

THERE'S A 95, 65, AND 35 GALLON.

RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO PICK WHATEVER SIZE THEY WANT, AND THERE'S NO COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE.

THERE'S NO COST SAVINGS FOR TAKING A SMALLER ONE.

THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST FOR TAKING A HIGHER ONE.

IT'S SIMPLY PICKING THE SIZE OF CART THAT YOU THAT YOU WANT, THAT YOU FEEL BEST SUITS YOUR NEEDS.

SAME THING WITH THE RECYCLING 95, 65, AND 35 GALLON CARTS.

UM, RECYCLING AGAIN.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WE DO THAT WEEKLY.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT FREQUENCY FOR THAT.

AND WE DO HAVE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE GET INTO THE SECOND HALF OF THIS PRESENTATION REGARDING RECYCLING, I DID WANT TO JUST MENTION SPECIFICALLY THAT OF THE SORT OF THE OPEN FORM QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD THAT WE ASKED PEOPLE.

COMMENTS ABOUT GLASS WAS THE SINGLE MOST FREQUENT QUESTION ASKED.

NOT NECESSARILY PEOPLE DEMANDING WE SHOULD RECYCLE GLASS.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT IT.

WE DID HAVE PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE STATING THAT THEY FELT THAT GLASS SHOULD BE RECYCLABLE.

UM, AND, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

THE COST OF RECYCLING GLASS IS STILL ASTRONOMICAL.

AND THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT MUCH ACTUAL RECYCLING GOING ON AT THE TIME JUST BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE, THE INDUSTRY SURROUNDING THAT.

BULK COLLECTION.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO WE NEED TO LOOK AT SORT OF FRAMING THIS AS BETWEEN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WEEKLY AND MONTHLY.

IS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT I THINK WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AND LOOKING AT WHETHER WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH DIFFERENT SCHEDULE FOR SINGLE FAMILY

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VERSUS MULTI FAMILY RESIDENCE.

LOOKING AT WHAT THE SET OUT LIMITS ARE CURRENTLY ON THE WEEKLY BULK COLLECTION.

IT'S A THREE CUBIC YARD LIMIT.

AND AND THERE'S THERE'S SOME SET OUT REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MATERIAL IS BEING PICKED UP.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THAT WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE IN IN A MINUTE, LOOKING AT WHETHER THERE'S A GIVE AND TAKE THERE, WHETHER WE CAN, WHETHER THERE YOU GUYS WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT A CHANGE IN FREQUENCY, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT MAYBE RELAXING SOME OF THOSE SET OUT REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ACTUAL EVALUATION CRITERIA.

THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT WE GET THAT WE WANT YOU, UM, TO WEIGH IN ON AS FAR AS HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THAT'S THE AREA WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT WE SET UP FOR THE FOR THE VENDORS AND THEIR PROPOSALS.

AND IT'S A REALLY KEY PART OF HOW WE DETERMINE WHO'S GOING TO BE THE BEST FIT FOR THE CITY.

NOW REALLY BRIEFLY HERE ON COMMERCIAL BEFORE WE WE DOUBLE BACK ON ON THAT LIST.

I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IS EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE HAULER.

UM, AND THE THE RATES WERE ALL COMPETITIVELY BID UP FRONT AT THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT PROCESS.

AND THEN THERE WERE JUST LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL RATES, THERE WERE ANNUAL ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE DONE THAT HAD LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THOSE ON WHAT COULD BE INCREASED THERE.

SO THE.

THE ELEMENTS OF THAT.

I'M TRYING NOT TO SAY GOOD OR BAD, BUT THE ELEMENTS OF THAT ARE THAT THERE IS REALLY STRONG PRICE CONTROL.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THERE IS A AN ABSOLUTE FIXED RATE PER CUBIC YARD THAT THE HAULER CAN CHARGE.

AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S THERE'S LITTLE ROOM FOR CONFUSION AS FAR AS WHAT THAT RATE IS NOW AGAIN, THAT THE, THE, THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THAT, UM, THAT STRONG PRICE CONTROL MEANS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT.

SO WE HOLD THE HAULER TO THAT RATE.

THEY CAN'T ARBITRARILY CHANGE IT.

UM, SAME THING. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THE RESIDENT OR THE BUSINESS ON THEIR SIDE TO SORT OF, UM, NEGOTIATE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.

SO IT'S A VERY TRANSPARENT, UM, AGAIN, THE LACK OF OPTIONS FOR BUSINESSES IN PARTICULAR, THERE BEING ONE, ONE HAULER TO, TO TO PICK FROM, UM, THE, THE, ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THIS IS KNOWING PRECISELY WHO IS OUT THERE DOING THE WORK, OBVIOUSLY COMMERCIAL.

AGAIN, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVER THAT.

BUT ON THE ON THE GARBAGE SIDE, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH GARBAGE, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO THAT IS AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO TO GO TO.

IF THERE'S ISSUES WITH THAT, WITH A PARTICULAR BUSINESS THAT THAT NEEDS THAT NEEDS HELP WITH, UM, THE, THE ISSUE OF THE MULTIPLE VENDORS, WHICH IS A SYSTEM THAT WE USED TO HAVE APPROXIMATELY 12, ALMOST 15 YEARS AGO.

IS THAT THAT'S ONE WHERE WE HAND OVER CONTROL TO THE VENDORS AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR WHAT THEIR RATES ARE.

AND THEY CAN AND THEY CAN SET THOSE ENTIRELY ON THEIR OWN.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE BUSINESSES HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN BETWEEN VENDORS.

THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW FACING, AS PRIMARILY IS THAT FLORIDA STATE LAW, UM, FAVORS THE CURRENT CONTRACT HOLDER.

AND SO THERE ARE VERY, VERY STRONG LIMITATIONS IN WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT THEY CONSIDER DISPLACING A VENDOR.

AND, UM, SO THE THE ISSUE OF MOVING TO A SINGLE VENDOR TO MULTIPLE VENDORS, IN MY OPINION, IS PROBLEMATIC SINCE WE'RE GOING THROUGH A COMPETITIVE BID.

THIS IS THIS IS THAT ONE PROCESS THAT WE'RE ALLOWED IN ORDER TO MAKE A CHANGE.

BUT COMING IN AND MAKING A CHANGE TO HOW THAT CONTRACT IS STRUCTURED IS A LITTLE MORE PROBLEMATIC.

SO, UM.

SO AGAIN HERE, NOW THIS, THIS.

I WANT THIS TO BE A BIT OF A, OF A CONVERSATION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERVICES FIRST AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE EVALUATION.

SO, UM, I WANT THIS, I'M GOING TO.

IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS, I'M GOING TO PUT OUT I'M GOING TO KIND OF FRAME WHERE WE'RE ARE NOW AND TRY AND SET UP SORT OF SOME PARAMETERS THAT WE NEED TO TO DECIDE FROM.

SO I REALLY WANT YOU GUYS TO LEAD THIS CONVERSATION.

BUT LET ME BUT LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH THIS.

SO RESIDENTIAL GARBAGE AGAIN CURRENTLY UM, TWO TIMES A WEEKLY UM WITH CARDS.

THIS IS A PRETTY STANDARD COLLECTION WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, ESPECIALLY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.

UM, THERE CERTAINLY IS ROOM TO GO TO LESS FREQUENT THAN, UM, TWICE A WEEK.

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UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND.

AGAIN, THAT'S PRIMARILY THE NATURE OF THE, OF THE ENVIRONMENT OF BEING IN HOT AND HUMID WEATHER, THAT HAVING A CART FULL OF GARBAGE FOR A WEEK CAN SOMETIMES BE PROBLEMATIC. IT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC HAVING IT THERE FOR 3 OR 4 DAYS, SO HAVING IT THERE FOR SEVEN DAYS CAN BE CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.

HOWEVER, THAT IS WITHIN THE REALM OF SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING.

AGAIN, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT IT ONCE A WEEK.

UM, THIS IS BEING, UH, COLLECTED ALONG WITH ONE OF THE REGULAR DAYS FOR SOLID WASTE.

UM, THIS IS ANOTHER AREA WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT, UM, CHANGING THE FREQUENCY.

UM, I KNOW ANECDOTALLY, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY CITIES IN SOUTH FLORIDA THAT DO THIS, BUT THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT WILL DO EVERY OTHER WEEK TYPE RECYCLING, RECYCLING. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WIGGLE ROOM AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

FREQUENCY. SO THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO WEIGH IN ON.

AND THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, BULK WASTE.

UM, THIS IS THIS IS AN AREA WHERE, IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, THE.

THE THE WAY I'LL PUT THIS IS THAT.

I THINK THE WEEKLY BULK COLLECTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY IS TOO FREQUENT, AND I THINK THE.

QUARTERLY BULK COLLECTION FOR MULTIFAMILY IS NOT FREQUENT ENOUGH.

SO I GUESS WITH THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS, THEN NOW WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND THEN WE CAN KEEP MOVING ON.

OKAY, SO IF I HEAR CORRECTLY, YOU WANT TO.

WE'LL TALK. WE'RE GOING TO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF.

YOU WANT US TO HANDLE THIS NOW? YEAH. I DON'T SEE THE LITTLE NUMBERS.

OH, THERE THEY ARE. OKAY. UM, I HAVE A NUMBER.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. AND JUST AS A HEADS UP TO EVERYBODY AS WE START THE CONVERSATION, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO MODIFY THE SCHEDULE JUST A LITTLE BIT DUE TO SOME, UM, TIME ISSUES.

SO WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER UNTIL 1040.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS MATTER ON HOLD FOR A MOMENT, GO TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, WHICH IS ONE C, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND FINISH OFF THE CONVERSATION.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS BEING DISJOINTED.

UM, THE REQUEST WAS JUST MADE ABOUT CERTAIN TIME CONSTRAINTS FOR FOR MR. BOOK, SO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS BIRTHDAY BOY.

GO FOR IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. TROY. UH, JUST QUICKLY, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY CHANCE, IF YOU MAY OR NOT KNOW, UH, HOW MANY CITIES ARE CURRENTLY RECYCLING OR HAVE STOPPED RECYCLING? UH, ACTUALLY, I HAVE THAT LIST.

WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT I'VE GOT THAT RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME.

SO LET ME LET ME KNOW.

AT, UH, SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY MEETING WE LAST HAD WAS LESS CITIES ARE RECYCLING, BUT WE DO HAVE A HUGE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT LOVE TO RECYCLE.

SO THE CITIES THAT CURRENTLY HAVE SUSPENDED RECYCLING ARE COCONUT CREEK, TOWN OF DAVIE, DEERFIELD BEACH, MARGATE AND PEMBROKE PINES.

UM, THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN WITHIN BETWEEN, UH, 2019 AND 2021.

TYPICALLY, I THINK THERE'S ONE IN JANUARY 2022 THAT MADE THAT CHANGE.

UM, ALL OF THOSE CITIES ARE SENDING THEIR RECYCLING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLAN.

SO, UM, THEY ALL ARE COLLECTING RECYCLING.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE THEY'RE TAKING IT TO.

SO THE RECYCLING FOR ALL THOSE CITIES IS GOING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

UH, CURRENTLY. FORGIVE ME FOR JUMPING IN.

CAN YOU REPEAT THE NAMES OR GIVE US HOW MANY THERE WERE? YES. IT'S COCONUT CREEK.

TOWN OF DAVIE. DEERFIELD BEACH.

MARGATE. AND PEMBROKE PINES.

THOSE ONE, 234, FIVE.

YES. AND THOSE WERE ALL ACCOMPLISHED BY SOME ACTION BY COMMISSION.

THERE WAS A COUPLE I THINK TONY DAVEY AS AN EXAMPLE, WAS ONE THAT TIED WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A NEW CONTRACT WAS WHEN THEY MADE THAT, THAT, THAT CHANGE.

UM, THERE IS ONE OTHER CITY THAT HAS RESTRICTED RECYCLING AND THAT IS LAUDERDALE BY THE SEA.

AND THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT ACCEPT MIXED PAPER NEWSPAPER PLASTIC CONTAINERS OTHER THAN PLASTIC BOTTLES.

SO THAT'S TYPICALLY NUMBERS THREE THROUGH SEVEN AND NON CORRUGATED CORRUGATED CARDBOARD.

THAT'S LIKE CEREAL BOXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE ELEMENTS THAT THEY DON'T ACCEPT.

AND UM I, I BELIEVE THAT NORTH LAUDERDALE HAD HAD RESTRICTED THEIRS AS WELL.

I WASN'T ABLE TO TO CONFIRM THAT BEFORE THIS MEETING.

BUT BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD RESTRICTED THEIRS AS WELL.

I WANT TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED, ARE COLLECTING GLASS OR MIXED PAPER.

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BUT LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE. BUT THESE ARE THE FIVE THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT RECYCLING AT ALL.

AND THEN FINALLY, JUST I'M SURE WE ALL SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENT ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT MORE BULK PICKUP AT CONDOMINIUMS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE FIGHTING FOR.

SO JUST ON THAT AT LEAST MORE THAN ONCE.

SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED BY BY TROY WAS.

YOU'VE GIVEN THE ANSWER ON YOUR FEELING FOR MORE BULK PICKUP FOR CONDOS.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT.

BULK PICKUP FOR RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK IT SHOULD STAY THE SAME.

OKAY. YOU MUST LET ME JUST STAY THE SAME AS IT IS NOW.

OR STAY THE OKAY. COMMISSIONER.

DANIEL. GOOD MORNING.

UM, JUST PICKING BACK OF WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER.

IF YOU CHANGE TO NO RECYCLING, THE RESIDENTS WILL STILL RECYCLE.

IT'S THE METHOD OF WHERE THE RECYCLING GOES.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THERE'S DIFFERENT APPROACHES THAT THAT THAT IS THE THAT'S THE MOST COMMON APPROACH RIGHT NOW.

UM, DEERFIELD BEACH, FOR EXAMPLE.

THEY STILL THEY STILL USE A RECYCLING CARTS.

PEOPLE STILL PUT THE RECYCLING IN THERE.

IT'S JUST THAT IT'S THEY'RE ALL DUMPED INTO THE GARBAGE TRUCK AND TAKEN TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

UM. AND THEN DUMPED IN THE SAME GARBAGE TRUCK.

YEAH. OH, SO THEN THERE'S NO POINT.

I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH DEERFIELD TO SEE IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE USING SEPARATE, SEPARATE TRUCKS.

BUT TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE COLLECTING, IF YOU'RE COLLECTING SOMETHING AND TAKING THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING A SOLID WASTE TRUCK FOR THAT GARBAGE TRUCK FOR THAT.

RIGHT? BECAUSE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S A WASTE OF TIME TO PUT IT IN SEPARATE BINS.

IF IT'S GOING IN THE SAME TRUCK.

THAT PRIMARILY WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH THE VOLUME, BECAUSE THE VOLUME, THE VOLUME THAT PEOPLE ARE GENERATING IS THE SAME.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A GARBAGE CART AND A RECYCLING CART AND THEY'RE FILLING AND THEY'RE FILLING, YOU KNOW, THE GARBAGE IS COMPLETELY FULL AND THE RECYCLING IS HALF FULL, UM, EVERY, EVERY, EVERY WEEK, THEN THAT VOLUME IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME.

SO THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE OKAY.

SO MY LET ME CLARIFY.

IF WE ARE RECYCLING, WE'RE JUST USING THE BINS SO IT'S NO LONGER RECYCLING.

IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHEN IT GOES TO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THEY RECYCLE IT ON THEIR OWN.

IT'S NO LONGER RECYCLING PERIOD.

WE JUST USE IN BOAT BINS TO COLLECT GARBAGE.

IF IF THE IF THE ROUTE THAT WE WENT WERE TO STOP RECYCLING, THAT WOULD BE THE MECHANISM THAT WE WOULD USE WOULD BE TO TO USE BOTH CARTS.

UM, COLLECTING GARBAGE AND RECYCLING SO THERE WILL NO LONGER BE RECYCLING.

WE'RE JUST COLLECTING ALL GARBAGE AS ONE THAT THAT IS THAT IS AN OPTION.

SO, SO SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S TWO OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.

RECYCLING. NO RECYCLING COMPLETELY.

OR IS THERE AN OPTION A THIRD OPTION WHERE WASTE MANAGEMENT PICKS UP THE RECYCLING AND CARRIED TO THEIR GROUNDS AND RECYCLE IT? UM, NO, THEY THEY WOULD TAKE IT WHERE WE DIRECT THEM TO TAKE IT.

SO THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ON THEIR OWN.

IF WE MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT WE WANT TO SEND EVERYTHING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

SO THERE'S TWO CHOICES. EITHER WE RECYCLING OR WE'RE NOT RECYCLING, BASICALLY.

OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

UM, AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO RECYCLE IT, IT'S GOING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE, IT'S GOING TO SAVE OUR RESIDENTS MONEY OR IT DOESN'T MATTER THE SAME PRICE.

UM, THERE.

WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN MORE DETAIL IN HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE THERE IS THE COST TO RECYCLE RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED.

THE COST TO RECYCLE IS $162 A TON.

HOWEVER, WHATEVER VALUE THAT THAT RECYCLING HAS IS DEDUCTED FROM THAT.

AND SO LET'S SAY WOULD IT BE COST EFFECTIVE BECAUSE THEN ARE WE PAYING? WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE GARBAGE REGARDLESS, RIGHT.

WHEREVER IT GOES. YEAH.

SO THEN IT WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE TO RECYCLE BECAUSE WE GET AN INCENTIVE FOR RECYCLING.

THE THE GARBAGE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT $67 A TON FOR DISPOSAL.

OKAY. AND AND AND RECYCLING IS ON AVERAGE GOING TO BE ABOUT, UM, $90 A TON TO, TO RECYCLE.

SO IT IS MORE COSTLY TO RECYCLE.

UM, THE QUESTION THE QUESTION COMES BACK, YOU GET FROM RECYCLING.

DOES IT COMPENSATE FOR THAT? I'M SORRY. WHAT? OKAY.

YOU GET BACK MONEY FOR RECYCLING.

CORRECT? WE KNOW WE USED TO THAT.

WHAT IT DOES HERE.

LET ME LET ME LET ME LET ME JUMP AHEAD.

LET ME LET ME JUMP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT.

NO NO, NO. BUT THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE.

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SO, UM, HERE'S RECYCLING.

PROCESSING FEE RIGHT NOW IS $162 A TON.

THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM THIS LAST MONTH.

SO ON THE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS IS THE COMBINATION OF THE PERCENT OF MATERIAL IN OUR STREAM.

SO MIXED PAPER 15% OF OUR OF OUR RECYCLING IS IS MIXED PAPER.

THE THE THE THE REVENUE TO US FROM THAT IS $5.46 A TON.

AND SO AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS, OUR RECYCLING DECEMBER, THE VALUE OF IT WAS $62.26.

SO INSTEAD OF PAYING $162 PER TON, WE'RE PAYING $99 PER TON.

SO WE DO SEE THE 57.

SO IT'S MORE THAT'S WHERE THE MORE EXPENSIVE COMES.

YEAH. AND IT'S AND THIS AND THIS ENTIRELY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COST, WHAT THE VALUE OF THE RECYCLABLE MATERIAL IS.

AND THAT HAS BEEN THAT THAT HAS BEEN VERY VOLATILE.

AND SO THAT CAN SWING FROM IT MAY BE 70, $80 PER TON AS A, AS A VALUE TO US, IT MAY BE 20 OR $30 A TON.

AND IT VARIES.

IT VARIES DRAMATICALLY FROM MONTH TO MONTH ON AVERAGE.

IT'S BEEN IN THAT ABOUT.

$50 PER PER TON HAS BEEN THE THE VALUE FOR UM FOR A WHILE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO WE DO LOOK BACK UH, IN 2000.

18. AROUND THAT TIME WAS WHEN THE MARKET REALLY CHANGED, AND WE USED TO ENJOY PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UM, REVENUES FROM RECYCLING.

AND SOME CITIES WERE ENJOYING TWO AND $300,000 A YEAR ON RECYCLING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE COST TO TO PROCESS IT THEN WAS MUCH LESS THE VALUE OF THE PROCESS OF THE, OF THE RECYCLED MATERIAL WAS MUCH HIGHER.

UM, THAT'S JUST THAT'S CHANGED.

NOW, THIS IS AN AREA WE WERE COVERING A LOT OF GROUND.

THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WITH THE NEW SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY COMING IN, UM, THAT THIS IS ONE WHERE WE REALLY HOPE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE, UM, INFLUENCE ON BEING ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT LIKE THIS.

AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY NEGOTIATE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COLLECTIVELY, UM, WILL NEGOTIATE.

AND SO I HOPE, HOPEFULLY THAT WE'LL TRY HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE WE'LL SEE SOME BENEFIT OF THAT IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THIS IS THE FUTURE.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN TIME FRAME? UH OH YEAH.

YEAH. THREE I WOULD SAY.

HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN WORKING ON THIS? YEAH, I WOULD SAY 3 TO 5 YEARS WOULD BE, WOULD BE THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE THE TIME FRAME FOR US TO SEE THAT NEGOTIATION STARTING.

UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF, OF AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE CONTRACT BY I THINK WHEN WAS THE EXTENSION COMPLETED.

YEAH, YEAH. AND AND THESE ARE AND THESE ARE TWO THINGS THAT THE, THE PROCESSING OF THE RECYCLING.

OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION WHERE WE SEND IT TO UM, BUT BUT THE THE PROCESSING OF BOTH GARBAGE AND RECYCLING IS SOMEWHAT SEPARATE FROM THE HAULING. AND SO RIGHT NOW THE, THE, THE CONTRACT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE IS TO PICK THE MATERIAL UP AT THE CURBSIDE OR THE DUMPSTER.

AND THEN THEY HAUL IT WHERE WE TELL THEM TO TAKE IT.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, ANOTHER CONTRACT TAKES OVER AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THE PROCESSING.

SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH WHEELABRATOR, UM, OR THE, THE UH FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT AND.

CORRECT, CORRECT.

THAT'S THE TIPPING FEE. THAT'S HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR US TO, TO DROP THAT THERE AND FOR THEM TO PROCESS THAT SAME THING WITH RECYCLING.

THIS IS THE $162 PROCESSING FEE MINUS THAT THAT NET AVERAGE MARKET VALUE.

AND HOW LONG WILL THAT CONTRACT BE BEFORE CAN WE PUT STIPULATION THAT IF WE PUT IT ON HOLD, CAN WE CHANGE OUR MIND IF THE MARKET CHANGES? THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES.

UM, WE HAVE WE HAVE, UM, EVERYTHING FROM A TERMINATION OF CONVENIENCE, WHICH IS 180 DAYS.

WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THAT, UM, AND UH, CERTAINLY WHEN WE DO THE NEW RFP, THIS WILL BE AN AREA.

THIS IS, THIS IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID BACK IN 2000, UM, 910, WHEN WE HAD, UM, A SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY THAT WAS SUNSETTING ON US.

AND NOW WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY THAT'S SUN RISING ON US, SO TO SPEAK.

AND SO WE'LL HAVE SOME MEASURE OF FLEXIBILITY IN THERE, UM, THAT, THAT WILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANY CHANGES THAT COME FROM WOULD THAT IN ESSENCE, IF WE TAKE AWAY THAT EXCESS RIGHT OF THE RECYCLING, WILL THAT COME BACK TO THE RESIDENT AS OKAY, THE BILL WON'T

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GO UP THAT EXTRA TEN, 12%? IS THAT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH OR.

NO. UH, THAT.

THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER I FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING.

I WILL SAY THAT BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF SOLID WASTE THAT WE GENERATE WITHIN THE CITY, RESIDENTIAL IS ABOUT 18,000 TONS, AND THE RECYCLING THAT WE GENERATE IS, IS, UM, RIGHT NOW ABOUT 3000 TONS.

AND THAT'S AND THAT'S ACTUALLY AND THAT'S AND THAT'S BEEN ON A LITTLE BIT OF A DOWNWARD TREND.

SO, UM, IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S, IT'S WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A YEAH.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A HUGE, HUGE SAVINGS.

OKAY. BEFORE WE GO ON, I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY NOW TO SAY, IF YOU'LL EXCUSE US, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM ONE C.

[1.c 2024 State Legislative Agenda Presented by Neysa Herrera, Chief of Staff]

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK FOR THE REST BECAUSE THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

AND WE HAVE OUR 2024 STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA BEING PRESENTED BY NASA CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE CITY MANAGER.

AND I BELIEVE RON BOOK IS SOMEWHERE IN THE SKY.

AM I RIGHT? SORRY.

SO. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

NESSA HERRERA, CHIEF OF STAFF.

AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, WE HAVE ON THE LINE RUN AGROUND AND RUNBOOK OUR STATE LOBBYIST FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

IT IS THAT TIME AGAIN, AS WE DO EVERY YEAR, TO ADOPT OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.

ONCE WE PUT TOGETHER THIS DOCUMENT, OR ONCE THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE PRIORITIES FOR THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE YEAR, THIS COULD BECOME A TOOL FOR US ELECTED OFFICIALS TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF YOUR COMMUNITIES, AND ALSO TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH OUR UM ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE BRAVO LEAGUE OF CITIES AND THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.

THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION WILL START THIS TIME IN JANUARY ON JANUARY 9TH, 2020 FOURTH THROUGH MARCH 28TH, 2020 FOURTH.

IT'S STARTING A LITTLE EARLIER THIS YEAR.

SO AS IN THE PAST, IT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY OF THE COMMISSION TO PROTECT THOSE REVENUE SOURCES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICES THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES EXPECT.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, THE.

THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE SOURCES THAT WE HAVE OR THAT WE INCLUDE IN OUR BUDGET ARE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO PROVIDE SERVICES.

MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES AS WELL IS TO SUPPORT A STATUTORY LIMITS FOR DAMAGES REGARDING THE LIABILITY FOR TORT CLAIMS AGAINST THE STATE AND ITS AGENCIES AND SUBDIVISIONS. THAT INCLUDES MAINTAINING THE CAPS ON UM.

ON CLAIMS OF 200,004 PER PERSON AND 300,000 PER INCIDENT.

ONE OF THE PRIORITIES THAT TAMARAC HAS IDENTIFIED IS TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT PROVIDES FUNDING FOR PROJECTS THAT REDUCE NUTRIENT AND POLLUTION.

LOADING INTO WASTEWATER SOURCES AND DRINKING WATER SOURCES, AND ALSO TO SUPPORT PROGRAMS THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE STORMWATER AND FLOODING IMPACTS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WETTER WEATHER EVENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING THESE DAYS.

UM, IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT MECHANISMS THAT PROVIDE FUNDING RELIEFS TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO ADDRESS PRIVATE SEAWALL INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH, AS YOU MAY KNOW, IT'S IT'S CRITICAL TO PROVIDE THE INTEGRITY OR TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR BODIES OF WATER.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS PRIORITY, THE CITY HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR APPROPRIATION IN THE AMOUNT OF 451 ANYONE

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$51,081 FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE CULVERT HEADWALLS IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

THIS PROGRAM IDENTIFIED UM LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WOULD THAT ARE IN NEED IN REPAIR UM OF THEIR CORPORATE HEAD WALLS TO ADDRESS EROSION.

SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THE CITY HAS HISTORICALLY RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE STATE FOR THE UM, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS OF THIS PROGRAM. ANOTHER PRIORITY IS TRANSPORTATION FUNDING.

AND THE CITY SUPPORTS LOCAL CONTROL OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.

THAT PROVIDE A MORE EQUITABLE TRANSPORTATION FUNDING FORMULA BETWEEN MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES, AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DEDICATED REVENUE OPTIONS FOR MUNICIPAL TRANSPORTATION, INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSIT PROJECTS.

THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE AS WE GO THROUGH OUR MOBILITY PLAN AND GETTING PUBLIC INPUT TO THOSE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE COMMUNITY, WE WOULD NEED ALSO THE FUNDING TO, UM, GET THOSE COMPLETED. OWNER CITY.

WITHIN THIS PRIORITY, WE ALSO SUBMITTED AN APPROPRIATION REQUEST FOR THE NORTHWEST 94TH AVENUE CROSSING.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BEEN.

TRYING TO GET FUNDING FOR IN THE PAST THROUGH SIRTEX, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL, UM, DUE TO CERTAIN ISSUES WITH THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SOLVE AT THE BROWARD COUNTY.

UM, CITY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, IN NEGOTIATING CERTAIN TERMS WITH THE COUNTY.

SO WE'RE TRYING IN ORDER TO GET THIS TO OUR COMMUNITY FASTER.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET STATE FUNDING TO COMPLETE THOSE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.

RECREATION AND GREEN SPACE.

FUNDING REMAINS A PRIORITY FOR THIS COMMISSION, AND THE CITY OF TAMARAC SUPPORTS THE LEGISLATION THAT PROTECTS THE LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION FUND AND THE FLORIDA FOREVER FUND.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, IN THE PAST, THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FUNDING THROUGH THOSE PROGRAMS FOR PARKS SUCH AS SABAL PALM PARK AND THE AMOUNT OF $1 MILLION AND UM AND THE FLORIDA RECREATION DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

OR CAPPARELLA PARK.

ANOTHER APPROPRIATION REQUEST.

IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO TAMARAC PARK THAT ARE RELATED TO ENHANCED LIGHTING AND FENCING IN THE PARK, IN THE AMOUNT OF $543,154.

PROTECTION OF HOME RULE REMAINS IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMISSION, AND WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT PROTECTS LOCAL CONTROL AND MUNICIPAL ABILITY TO REACT TO LOCAL NEEDS IN A TIMELY, UNIQUE AND RESPONSIVE MATTER.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE SAW IT THROUGHOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

ONE THING THAT OUR RESIDENTS WANTS TO SEE, AND THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THIS COMMISSION, IS THAT WE NEED TO ATTRACT MORE QUALITY BUSINESSES THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT. THEREFORE, WE SUPPOSEDLY WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT PROMOTES THE ATTRACTION, RETENTION AND EXPANSION OF BUSINESSES, HELP CREATE OR RETAIN JOBS THAT PAY A LIVING WAGE, ASSISTS SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND THAT ALSO PROVIDES FOR INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. HIGH QUALITY PUBLIC EDUCATION.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT EDUCATION IS AT THE BASE OF THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE RESIDENTS.

SO WE SUPPORT THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO FIND A JOINT SOLUTION TO IMPROVE THE LOWER PERFORMING LOCAL SCHOOLS AND EXPAND QUALITY EDUCATION OPTIONS TO ALL STUDENTS.

STATE FUNDING FOR TEACHER SALARIES AND BONUSES TO RETAIN ATTRACT THE BEST TALENT TO IMPROVE THE LOWER PERFORMING SCHOOLS.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY TO OUR COMMISSION AS WELL.

AS WE HEARD THROUGH A STRATEGIC PLANNING.

SCHOOL SAFETY REMAINS IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITIES IN FLORIDA, AND WE SUPPORT BUDGETING PRACTICES THAT ENSURE CONSISTENT AND ADEQUATE ALLOCATION OF STATE FUNDS TO SCHOOL SAFETY INITIATIVES FOR ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

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TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

WE AS WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS FOR UM.

TRANSIT AND ENHANCEMENT OF OF OUR MOBILITY IN THE CITY.

WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION PROMOTING DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES A MIXED USE OF HOUSING, OFFICE, RETAIL SPACE AND AMENITIES INTEGRATED INTO A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

CLOSE TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

TO GET OUR RESIDENTS CONNECTED TO THOSE, UM, ECONOMIC HUBS AND THE AND THEIR WORKPLACES.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

THIS DISCUSSION MORE THAN EVER, IT'S AT THE TOP OF MIND IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT REQUIRES ALL MONEY FROM THE SADOWSKI STATE AND LOCAL HOUSING TRUST FUND TO BE USED FOR FLORIDA'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS. AND THAT WOULD ALSO STRENGTHEN THE CURRENT PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER THROUGH THE CITY, SUCH AS THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER PROGRAM.

THIS IS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE AND THAT THE COMMISSION HAVE ADOPTED IN THE PAST WITHIN THE STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND NEEDS TO SUPPORT THE EXPANSION OF ELIGIBILITY TO RECEIVE COMPENSATION FOR WRONGFUL INCARCERATION BY ELIMINATING INELIGIBILITY FOR WRONGFULLY INCARCERATED PERSONS WHO HAD A PRIOR FELONY OR MORE THAN ONE FELONY BEFORE THEIR WRONGFUL CONVICTION.

AND EXTENDING THE FILING DEADLINE FOR A PETITION CLAIMING WRONGFUL INCARCERATION.

HOMELESSNESS AND HUMAN SERVICES.

HOMELESSNESS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION OF THIS COMMISSION, AND IT REMAINS TOP OF MIND.

SO WE SUPPORT THE PROMOTION OF NEW AND EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT WILL SERVE OUR MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION.

AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY PARTNERS WITH ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP US SERVE OR HELP OUR RESIDENTS IN NEED OR EXPERIENCED EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

SO WE SUPPORT ANY PROGRAMS THAT WOULD, UM.

ADDRESS. THIS ISSUE.

BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ACCESS PROGRAM AND WORKPLACE MENTAL HEALTH.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT TAMARAC THROUGH THE PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER TO OUR EMPLOYEES, UM, CONTINUES TO PAY ATTENTION TO AND WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT PROMOTES AND PROVIDES PROGRAMS THAT AIM TO ASSESS, EDUCATE, MINIMIZE.

THE IMPACT OF STRESS, IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE, AND RETURNED EMPLOYEES EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES TO A HEALTHY, PRODUCTIVE STATE.

SO WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF OUR, UM, ZEN ROOM.

CYBERSECURITY. CYBERSECURITY MORE THAN EVER CONTINUES TO BE AN AREA OF INTEREST, SO WE SUPPORT WHATEVER LEGISLATION THAT PROVIDES FUNDING FOR IMPROVING BOTH PHYSICAL SECURITY AND CYBERSECURITY AT CITY FACILITIES AND WITHIN MUNICIPALITIES.

AS WELL AS BUSINESS DISTRICTS AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO ALONG THESE LINES, ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP DURING STRATEGIC PLANNING WAS TO HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE RESIDENTS WERE PROVIDED WITH CAMERAS AND BUSINESS, AS WELL AS PROVIDED WITH CAMERAS THAT COULD ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF THEIR BUSINESSES OR THEIR HOMES.

SO WE'RE SUPPORTING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD PROVIDE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THOSE PROGRAMS. THE CELL PHONE TOWER REGULATION IS A TOPIC OR IS AN ISSUE OF INTEREST FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT PROVIDES FUNDING FOR IMPROVING BOTH PHYSICAL SECURITY AND EXCUSE ME.

WELL, CELL PHONE TOWER REGULATION.

WHAT WE SUPPORT HERE IS THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THE REQUIREMENTS OR CRITERIA FOR THE INSTALLATION OF CELL TOWERS, TO MAINTAIN AND PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, BUT WITHOUT MOVING FORWARD TO QUESTIONS.

BEFORE MOVING FORWARD TO QUESTIONS, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAD THE FIRST REPORT ISSUED BY OUR STATE LOBBYIST.

AND IT INCLUDES A COUPLE OF BILLS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO MONITOR.

THROUGHOUT THE LEVEL PROGRESS THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

ONE OF THOSE IS HOUSE BILL 47, RELATED TO MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER UTILITY RATES, WHICH PROVIDES AND REQUIRES MUNICIPALITIES

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TO CHARGE CUSTOMERS RECEIVING UTILITY SERVICES IN ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY.

THE SAME RATES, FEES AND CHARGES AS IT CHARGES CUSTOMERS WITHIN ITS OWN MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.

ON THAT REPORT, YOU WILL SEE A COUPLE OF OTHER BILLS THAT WE ARE MONITORING AND THAT WOULD AFFECT, UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN FLORIDA.

SO WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO.

UM. TO ASSESS APPRECIATE.

BEFORE WE GO TO THE QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION, UM, AS WE WERE ADVISED THAT, UH, BOX OFFICE HAS A MEETING AT 11, SO WANTED TO JUST GIVE THEM A MOMENT BEFORE.

IF THEY WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING.

UM, THEY'RE NOT ON SCREEN, SO I CAN'T SEE.

THERE YOU ARE, MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. HEY.

HOW ARE YOU TODAY? GOOD. WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

SO LET ME JUST TAKE A MINUTE.

UM, BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE COULD HAVE OR MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO SAY WAS REALLY JUST COVERED.

UM, YOU GOT A VERY BROAD OVERVIEW OF THE ISSUES THAT I BELIEVE ARE GOING TO DOMINATE THE SESSION.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO CLEARLY COVER WITH YOU.

NUMBER ONE, THE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED HIS BUDGET, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A BUDGET CUT, RECOMMENDED BUDGET OF ALMOST $3.5 BILLION, UH, LESS IN SPENDING THAN CURRENT YEAR.

HIS BUDGET THAT HE PRESENTED WAS ABOUT 114.4 BILLION, UH, DOWN FROM A LITTLE OVER 117, ALMOST 118 BILLION. UM, THE BUDGET WILL BE THE CENTER PART OF OF WHAT IS DOMINANT FROM THIS SESSION BECAUSE OF WHAT SPENDING WILL OR WON'T GO ON DURING THE SESSION.

UM, I'M REMISS IN NOT REITERATING THAT YOU HAVE THREE APPROPRIATIONS ITEMS THAT ARE PENDING, ALL OF WHICH WE THINK HAVE A REASONABLE CHANCE OF GETTING INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.

UH, I THINK WE HAVE HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD BUDGET SUCCESS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO BUILDING ON THAT.

I WANT TO REITERATE, UM, ONE OF THE POINTS THAT NATHAN MADE, WHICH IS SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY.

I'VE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT THIS ISSUE FOR A DECADE, DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT AT SOME POINT THE LEGISLATURE WAS GOING TO DRAMATICALLY, NEGATIVELY IMPACT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM A SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY STANDPOINT BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THEY COULD GIVE TO THE THE TRIAL LAWYERS THAT DID NOT HURT BUSINESS.

WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR DON'T SEEM TO ACCEPT IS THAT WHEN YOU INCREASE SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY LIMITS, YOU TAKE MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYERS.

NOBODY SAYS THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SUES A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, SOMETHING BAD DIDN'T OCCUR, THAT A TORT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

BUT IF YOU FOLLOW THE HISTORY GOING BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS INTO THE CREATION OF THE DOCTRINE OF SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY, IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO PROTECT TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

SO WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR LOCAL LAWMAKERS, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SHOULD MENTION TO THEM IS HOW DAMAGING AND HOW DAMNING INCREASES IN THE SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY LIMIT LEVELS WILL BE TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE NEED TO TO RESERVE MONEY ONCE A LAWSUIT GETS FILED.

UM, I WOULD I WOULD ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT WHILE WE DON'T SEE NECESSARILY A GLITCH BILL ON LIVE LOCAL, THERE WILL BE CHANGES TO LIVE LOCAL IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO A GLITCH BILL, THEY WILL EMBODY IN SEVERAL BILLS A NUMBER OF THE THINGS THAT THEY THINK NEED TO BE CORRECTED UNDER LIVE LOCAL.

I DO NOT LOOK AT DRAMATIC CHANGES, AND I DON'T LOOK AT CHANGES ON THE PREEMPTIONS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY PUT INTO LAW.

I DO THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY OUGHT TO BE CONCERNED.

ACTUALLY, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

I THINK THE COMMUNITY OUGHT TO CARE ABOUT THE PROPOSAL THAT THE SENATE PRESIDENT ANNOUNCED LAST THURSDAY WITH TWO OF HER LIEUTENANTS, UH, SENATOR HARRELL, UM, UH, WHO WILL LEAD THE CHARGE, UH, TO PASS SOMETHING NOW CALLED LIVE HEALTHY, WHICH IS TO TAKE OFF AS A PART OF, IF YOU WILL, THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, BUT IT WILL FOCUS ON ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE AND THE DELIVERY OF HEALTH CARE SERVICES TO COMMUNITIES.

UM, THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT OF OF WHAT I WOULD SAY.

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UM, BECAUSE REALLY EVERYTHING ELSE WAS COVERED.

I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

THERE ARE NO BAD QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK.

UM, LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, UH, STARTS, UH, JANUARY 7TH AND AND RUNS FOR 60 DAYS.

THIS IS AN EVEN NUMBERED YEAR SESSION.

SO IT'S IN JANUARY AS OPPOSED TO ODD SESSION YEAR'S ODD YEAR SESSIONS, WHICH ARE IN MARCH AND APRIL.

SO WITH THAT, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, UH, ON BEHALF OF BRIANNA BROWN, MYSELF AND OUR ENTIRE FIRM, UM, WE THANK YOU.

THE STAFF, AS ALWAYS, TREMENDOUSLY RESPONSIVE, STARTING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UH, AND EVERYTHING, EVERYBODY AT THE CITY WHO ALWAYS RESPOND WHEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER SOMETHING IMPACTS THE CITY.

THEY RESPOND VERY QUICKLY AND VERY RESPONSIBLY.

SO THANK YOU ALL.

WE APPRECIATE THE CONTINUED OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU. I'M NOT SEEING ANY ITEMS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER.

VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU. RON.

UM, JUST QUICKLY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING INTO JANUARY 2025, UH, RELATIVELY SOON.

AND WITH THE INSURANCE, UM, RESERVES AND THE SIRS, UH, INSPECTIONS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN SHARE ON THAT ON THOSE TOPICS, OR IS THIS PRETTY MUCH A DEAD ISSUE WHERE OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO, UM, MAKE THE RESERVES FULLY RESERVED AND INSURANCE ISSUES BY JANUARY 1ST OF 2025? UM, MADAM MAYOR, THROUGH YOU, UM.

MAYOR THROUGH YOU? YES, PLEASE.

THANK THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

GREAT QUESTION.

AND IT ACTUALLY IS A QUESTION WITHIN A QUESTION.

FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO.

BE ANYWHERE NEAR AS RESPONSIBLE AS THEY NEED TO BE ON THE ISSUE OF PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE.

UM, I THINK THAT THE SITUATION IN FLORIDA IS TERRIBLE, HORRIFIC.

IT DOESN'T TAKE A SMART GUY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

EVEN EVEN EVEN.

THE DUMBEST OF THE DUMB COULD FIGURE OUT THAT THERE'S A REAL CRISIS IN FLORIDA AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO DATE HAS DONE NOTHING TO STABILIZE RATES.

AND JUST LIKE YOU, I'M SUBJECT OF MONSTER INCREASES TO THE POINT WHERE I BEGAN TO REDUCE MY OWN PERSONAL COVERAGES, UM, AT RISK IF YOU'RE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR YOU'RE A CONDO OWNER'S ASSOCIATION, YOU ARE REALLY IN A BAD PLACE.

FROM A RESERVE STANDPOINT, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A CONDO BILL AND A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BILL THIS YEAR, AND I THINK YOU CAN LOOK FOR SOME ACTIVITY ON THAT.

AND I THINK THAT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE CONTINUED TO NOT BE RESPONSIVE TO THEIR MEMBERS, I THINK THEY'RE IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE AN HOA BILL THIS YEAR AS WELL, AND I BELIEVE IT WILL EXPAND PROSECUTORIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING WRONGDOERS TO JUSTICE. THANK YOU RON.

THANK YOU. AND ACTUALLY THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

UM, WE'RE WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL 2025.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M COMING UP AND I'VE GIVEN A LIST OF PEOPLE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE STATE I WANT TO SEE, AND I WANT TO SEE WHOEVER ELSE THAT I CAN BANG ON THEIR DOOR AND SIT THERE AND SHOW THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO REGARDING INSURANCE AND RESERVES.

UM, IT'S DISHEARTENING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS THIS PAST YEAR.

WE SENT OVER ALMOST 1500 LETTERS TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES IN THE LEGISLATURE, AND THEY'VE DONE NOTHING.

AND YET PEOPLE ARE LOSING.

THEY'RE ABOUT TO START LOSING THEIR HOMES AND FORECLOSURE AGAIN.

WE HAVE PEOPLE FLEEING FROM THEIR CONDOS.

UM, WE HAVE WHETHER YOU ARE ON A SET BUDGET OR YOU'RE A FAMILY STRUGGLING WITH ALL THE PRICE INCREASES, AND AS YOU I TOO HAVE BEEN UNDERSTANDING FIRSTHAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

EVERYBODY HERE, WHETHER YOU'RE RENTING, YOU FEEL IT THROUGH YOUR LANDLORD WHEN THEY INCREASE YOUR RENTS OR YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, YOU'RE FEELING IT.

SO NO ONE IS IMMUNE FROM THIS.

UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE PAPER I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO READ.

IT SAID BILL'S BILL AIMED TO REDUCE CONDO INSURANCE COSTS BY ALLOWING CASH VALUE OF ROOF COVERAGE.

I KNOW WE'RE SHORT ON TIME.

I'M GOING TO ASK FOR YOU TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS IN YOUR NEXT, UM, UH, REPORT, PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD.

JUST SO WE HAVE AN IDEA, IT'S VERY DISHEARTENING THAT THE FIRST WEEK OF COMMITTEE WEEKS IS DEALING WITH VACATION RENTALS.

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SAME BALONEY WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH SINCE 2021.

UM, COMMUNICATION, SERVICE, TAX, ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE HERE.

WHERE'S THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE GETTING TO IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR OUR LEGISLATURE UP THERE.

UM, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE 25% WATER INCREASE THAT IS HAPPENING TO BE REMOVED.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING BECAUSE AT THIS TIME WE DO STILL HAVE SOME.

PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE ANNEX SECTION THAT ARE ON FORT LAUDERDALE, AND WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THEM ONTO OUR WATER.

BUT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT WE CAN, THEY'RE STILL SUBJECT TO THE 25% TAX INCREASE THAT WE CAN'T HELP THEM WITH.

SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD BILL.

I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

UM. I HAD WRITTEN MY NOTES DOWN, BUT I SEE THAT YOU HAVE IT IN THE COVERAGE.

IT WAS ONE OF YOUR LAST SLIDES ABOUT HAVING.

UTILITIES NOT BE PUTTING UP CYBER TOWERS.

CELL TOWERS NOT GOING UP.

WITHOUT SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE CITIES, I KNOW UTILITIES HAVE THEIR OWN LOBBY THAT GET AWAY WITH A LOT.

BUT THE FACT IS, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS RIGHT BEHIND A PERSON'S HOME THAT ABUTS CITY RIGHT OF WAY, YOU ARE CAUSING DAMAGE TO THEIR HEALTH AND WELFARE, AND YOU'RE DOING DAMAGE TO PROPERTY.

SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT'S IN THERE AND HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT MORE.

UM. NOT SURPRISED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE LIVE LOCAL GLITCH BILL THAT WE'VE BEEN PROMISED IS NOT GOING TO COME THROUGH.

AND NOW THEY HAVE SOME OTHER INSIDIOUS WAYS TO TRY TO LEGISLATE THROUGH LIVE LOCAL, UM, AND PLAY ON HEARTSTRINGS IN AREAS IN WHICH WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY LEGALLY HAVE CONTROL TO DO EITHER.

UM, BUT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR ENERGY, AND NATHAN AND THE TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HELP PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, OUR BUSINESSES.

UM. FROM WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING ESPECIALLY IN THE INSURANCE.

SO IT WOULD THAT SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY THE FOCUS OF OUR ADVOCACY.

IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY ON HERE, WHICH I DON'T SEE ON HERE AS A SUPPORTIVE ITEM THAT WE HAVE, IS FIGHTING TO GET THE INSURANCE RATES DOWN, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING RESERVES AMENDED.

YOU CAN'T COMPARE A THREE STORY CONDOMINIUM IN TAMARAC TO A 3 TO 4 TO 5 TO 10 STORY CONDOMINIUM ON THE WATER. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CLIMATE.

IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, AND WE ARE THE ONE SIZE FITS ALL KNEE JERK REACTION TO SURFSIDE IS HURTING OUR PEOPLE.

SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I KNOW YOUR QUESTION.

SO, MADAM, MADAM MAYOR, JUST ONE SECOND ON THAT.

YOU COULDN'T BE MORE CORRECT.

AND AND AS ABSURD AS THE EXAMPLE YOU JUST USED IS, THINK ABOUT THE PERSON LIVING ON THE 45TH FLOOR OF A CONDO WHO HAS TO PAY A FIVE FIGURE AMOUNT OF MONEY, OR.

IF YOU WILL.

FLOOD DAMAGE.

UM, THE CONDO ON THE 40TH FLOOR ISN'T GETTING HIT WITH WITH A FLOOD.

WHAT? WATER IS AREN'T. YOU KNOW, NO MATTER.

IT'S IT THAT'S FURTHER INDICATION OF HOW BAD IT IS AND HOW WRONG IT IS AND HOW THEY HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS THE THE MAIN SUBSTANCE OF THE ISSUE OF INSURANCE PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE REFORM.

SO THANK YOU.

LOOK. AGREED.

AGREED. NO, ACTUALLY IT'S CURRENTLY NOW ON SOME OF OUR EXAMPLE I WILL USE IS THE BUSINESS OFFICE SECOND FLOOR.

WHY IS THERE INSURANCE? FLOOD INSURANCE? UNLESS THERE'S A TSUNAMI, WHICH I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE WATER WOULD GET TO THE MIDDLE OF TAMARAC IN ORDER TO CAUSE ONE.

THERE'S NO WAY IT'S FLOODING ON A SECOND FLOOR.

SO UNLESS IT'S A ROOF ISSUE.

BUT THAT'S A ROOF LEAK, AND IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN FLOOD INSURANCE, AND SOMEHOW EVERYTHING HAS GOTTEN BLURRED WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE BLURRED.

BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT IT. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU. AND SEEING LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN TALLAHASSEE.

DEFINITELY. UM, RHONDA, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING OR ARE YOU GOOD? YOU'RE GOOD. I'M GOOD. I TOOK NOTES ON EVERYTHING YOU YOU ASKED TO DO.

AND, UH, THAT'LL BE ALL IN THE NEXT REPORT.

UH, THANK YOU. AND THANK TUNISA.

THANKS TO NSA. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

APPRECIATE. BE SAFE AND VERY HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

YOU TOO. THANK YOU.

SEEING THAT THERE WAS NOTHING FURTHER ON THIS ITEM.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

WE ARE NOW BACK TO, UM, SOLID WASTE SERVICES.

AND ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER DANIEL, DID YOU FINISH YOUR QUESTIONS OR.

I DON'T KNOW IF I FEEL LIKE I CUT YOU OFF AND I.

THAT PART. OKAY.

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DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK NOW OR.

OKAY OKAY.

BUT I'M GOING TO ASK. AND THEN THE ONE OF THE CONCERNS AND THE QUESTIONS AND THE REASON WE STOPPED WAS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT MORE BULK FOR CONDOS OR MULTIFAMILY INSTEAD OF ONCE EVERY THREE MONTHS? AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT MORE OR LESS BULK ON RESIDENTIAL FROM ONCE A WEEK? YES. UM, I'M OPEN TO CHANGE.

I THINK ONCE A QUARTER IS, UM, NOT ENOUGH.

QUESTION WITH THAT WAS, ARE WE ALL PAYING THE SAME COST OF GARBAGE? BECAUSE IF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS PAYING MORE THAN RIGHTFULLY SO, THEY SHOULD GET MORE PICKED UP.

PICK UP. THE THE WAY THAT THOSE ARE ARE BILLED ARE ARE DIFFERENT.

SO THE THE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME UM RESIDENCES ARE PAID FOR THROUGH THE, THROUGH THEIR ANNUAL TAX RATE.

AND SO WE ALL COLLECTIVELY PAY THAT.

IT'S ABOUT $275, UM, PER YEAR TO PAY FOR THE SOLID WASTE PROGRAM.

THE CONDOS THEY DO PAY BASED ON THE, UM, THE VOLUME THAT THEY, THAT THEY PRODUCE.

SO CONDOS ARE A LITTLE BIT THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LIKE BUSINESSES IN THE WAY THAT THEY DO IT, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ESTABLISH.

DO THEY WANT TO BE COLLECTED TWO TIMES A WEEK, THREE TIMES A WEEK? DO THEY HAVE COMPACTORS? DO THEY HAVE DUMPSTERS? SO THE CONDOS PAY FOR THEIR SERVICE DIRECTLY AS A, AS A AS AS A, AS A PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES PAY FOR THEIR RECYCLING DIRECTLY THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY TAX.

SO I WAS THE QUESTION WAS REGARDING UM, THE BULK PICKUP, CORRECT? YEP. RIGHT.

SO IF IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES BECAUSE YOU SAID THE CONDO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION, WHY ARE WE MAKING I'M CONFUSED.

WHAT SIMPLY, SIMPLY BECAUSE EVERY CONDO IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE CAPACITY THAT THEY HAVE TO TO UM, HOW MUCH CAPACITY THEY HAVE FOR THE, FOR THE GARBAGE. SO SOME, SOME, UM, SOME CONDOS NEED TO HAVE, UM, MORE, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES A WEEK PICK UP SOME CAN GET BY WITH TWICE A WEEK.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOT A SET.

THERE'S NOT A SET RATE.

FOR EACH CONDO.

IT'S BASED ON THE CUBIC YARDS THAT THE THAT THEY GENERATE.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COSTS.

YES. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PICKUP.

I WAS MY THING WAS.

IF SINGLE FAMILY PAY MORE THAN THE PICKUP SHOULD BE MORE.

IF CONDOS ONLY PAY A CERTAIN AND IT COULD BE APARTMENTS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST CONDOS THAT HAS THE ONE SOMEWHAT PICKUP WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

SO. HUH.

QUARTERLY. QUARTERLY.

THANK YOU. IN MY HEAD, I WAS THINKING GOING ONCE A MONTH, BUT IF THEY DON'T GENERATE THE SAME COST, IF THEY PAY LESS, THEN THEY NEED TO PAY MORE IN ORDER TO GET MORE PICKUP.

CORRECT. WELL, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD BEAR ITSELF OUT IN THE, IN THE PROPOSALS.

SO WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WE NEED TO ESTABLISH.

YEAH, THE COST PROPOSAL. SO WE NEED TO ESTABLISH THAT FRAMEWORK FOR THOSE PROPOSALS TO, TO COME IN.

AND SO SO THEN TO ANSWER THE MAYOR'S QUESTION, MY ANSWER WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR? I AGREE IT SHOULD BE MORE, BUT I DON'T WANT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS TO BE PAYING FOR THE BULK OF THE COST.

AND YET STILL SOMEONE ELSE IS GETTING THAT PRIVILEGE.

NO, UM, NO, I, I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE THE EVALUATION OF THE COST PROPOSALS WILL BE, WILL BE KEY.

UM, I WILL SAY THAT REGARDING THE, THE THE BULK GARBAGE, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT WHAT WE WERE AS A CITY IN 2010 VERSUS WHERE WE ARE NOW, I THINK WE'RE SEEING A GREATER DEGREE OF TURNOVER IN IN CONDOS AND APARTMENTS.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE STEADINESS THAT WE THAT WE DID BEFORE.

AND SO WE ARE SEEING, UM, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF BULK THAT'S BEING GENERATED AT THE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES.

IN FACT, IT'S BECOMING DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO TO DO THE BULK PICKUP WHEN WE DO IT QUARTERLY.

IT'S BEEN TAKING TWO AND THREE DAYS TO GET THAT DONE JUST BECAUSE THE VOLUME IS SO HIGH.

AND SO BY CHANGING THAT TO A MORE FREQUENT COLLECTION.

AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO BE, UM, FAIR, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT EVERYBODY'S PAYING THEIR SHARE.

OR IF SINGLE FAMILY IS GOING TO BE LESS THAN THEY SHOULD PAY LESS, THAT'S SO WE CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION UNTIL YOU BRING US THAT INFORMATION.

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WELL, THAT THAT WILL BE WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

AND THEN THE COST PROPOSALS WILL, WILL, WILL BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT.

SO SO WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE 20 DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, BUT WE CAN HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN PUT FORWARD AND ASK FOR PROPOSALS UM, ON THAT.

BUT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT FRAMEWORK THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING AND THE COST ARE GOING TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT.

AND, AND, AND WHEN WE DO THAT COST COMPARISON, IT'S A VERY DETAILED, UM, PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE EVERYBODY PUT IN.

SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY TRANSPARENT WHERE THOSE COSTS ARE AT AS FAR AS WHAT THE WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL WHAT THE SINGLE FAMILY CURBSIDE COST WILL BE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE MULTIFAMILY COST WILL BE, AND THAT WILL ALL BEAR OUT IN THOSE, IN THOSE PROPOSALS.

SO, UM, AND THEN I WOULD SAY THE, THE, THE, THE FLIP SIDE, AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATION IS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY SIDE, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF A PARALLEL ISSUE IS THAT WE'RE SEEING SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH.

CODE ENFORCEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO.

BOOK SET OUTS.

AND I REALLY SYMPATHIZE WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB, BUT WITH WEEKLY BULK SET OUT.

YOU'RE NEVER MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 72 HOURS AWAY FROM FROM A COLLECTION.

AND I THINK OUR CODE IS THAT IT CAN'T BE SET OUT FOR MORE THAN I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S 24 OR 48 HOURS, BUT IT'S BUT IT'S A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU CAN SET BULK OUT AHEAD OF YOUR, UM, YOUR PICKUP.

SINCE WE HAVE WEEKLY BULK COLLECTION, IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO BE ABLE EFFECTIVELY TO GO IN THERE AND ENFORCE WHEN BULK IS BEING SENT OUT, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A COLLECTION COMING UP.

AND SO PEOPLE HAVE I THINK SOME RESIDENCES HAVE GOTTEN SO USED TO THE FACT THAT THEY CAN JUST PUT SOMETHING OUT WHENEVER THEY WANT, AND THEY KNOW WITHIN A FEW DAYS IT'S GOING TO BE COLLECTED. AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THAT BULK COLLECTION PROGRAM.

CORRECT. BUT, UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MINDSET THAT WE'RE BEING PUNITIVE TO THE RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF JUST FIXING WHATEVER THE PROBLEM IS.

RIGHT. SO THE DECISION IS NOT REALLY BASED ON MAKING IT EASY FOR CODE TO GIVE RESIDENTS.

A PUNITIVE ACTION, BUT MORE SO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO GET EVERYBODY TO GET PICKED UP WHEN IT NEEDS TO.

PICKED UP. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY.

AND I'M SORRY. I CERTAINLY DIDN'T MEAN TO FOR THAT TO BE THAT.

NO, I WAS JUST STATING THAT BECAUSE IT SOUNDED THAT WAY.

NO, NO, NO.

AND I AND I AND I AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY THAT'S A REALLY GOOD DISTINCTION BECAUSE.

YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UM, YEAH.

IT'S NOT WITH THIS IDEA OF, OF, OF A GOTCHA TO RESIDENTS.

IT REALLY IS A MATTER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING BACK AT WHEN WE ASKED RESIDENTS WHAT WHAT'S IMPORTANT MORE PEOPLE SAID LITTER AND APPEARANCE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BULK.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE FRAMEWORK THAT I'M COMING FROM IS WHAT CAN WE DO AND LITTER AND APPEARANCE WOULD MEAN AND GET IT UP QUICKLY.

YEAH. GET RID OF THE GARBAGE QUICK.

YEAH. OH, YEAH.

YEAH. OH, KEITH HAS A.

YEAH. UM, IN GENERAL, IF IF WE CHANGE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, IF WE REDUCE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, IT SHOULD THEORETICALLY LOWER THE COST. IF WE INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THEORETICALLY IT SHOULD RAISE THE COST.

AND SO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE REASON TROY IS COMING TO YOU TODAY TO ASK FOR YOUR OPINION, BECAUSE THIS WILL IMPACT THE TOTAL COST OF EACH PROPOSAL.

I GET THAT? I DO. COMMISSIONER.

RIGHT. UH, THANKS.

UH, MR.. GUYS, I THINK YOU SAID FOR MULTIFAMILY, UH, THE CHARGES PASSED ON TO THE THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

IS THAT JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, I WASN'T SURE.

YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S EFFECTIVELY IS PAID THROUGH THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION FEES.

AND, UM, AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THAT ARRANGEMENT IS SET UP BETWEEN THE, THE CONDO AS AN ASSOCIATION WITH UM. SO IF WE INCREASE THE FREQUENCY, IT'S NO COST TO US.

WOULD IT BE A COST TO THE CITY? I'M TRYING. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO ANSWER THAT.

UH, TO BE, TO BE HONEST.

I MEAN, THAT WOULD BEAR THAT WOULD BEAR OUT IN THE PROPOSALS.

BUT THE IDEA OF A CONTRACTOR BEING ABLE TO MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING MONTHLY BULK COLLECTION VERSUS DOING A QUARTERLY BULK COLLECTION, THAT COULD BE, UM, THAT WE'RE SEEING THE VOLUMES ARE EXTREMELY HIGH, THAT I WOULD SEE THAT THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO A CONTRACTOR TO TO HAVE A MORE FREQUENT, UM, COLLECTION FOR BULK AT THE, AT THE MULTIFAMILY LEVEL.

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SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF LOOKING INTO A CRYSTAL BALL.

BUT SO IT'S NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY BE A HIGHER COST OR A COST SAVINGS.

UM, MY GUESS IS THAT IT WOULD BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF A OF A OF A NET NEUTRAL.

OKAY. BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES.

MAY I JUMP IN FOR A SECOND? UM, YOU KNOW, THESE SERVICES ARE PASS THROUGH SERVICES.

SO. IN REALITY, THE MORE UM SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, MOST LIKELY THE CITY WILL RECEIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE REVENUE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

SO WE DO RECEIVE SOME REVENUE FROM THE SERVICES THAT THE, UH, THE TRASH HAULERS PROVIDE.

SO THE MORE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED.

THE IMPACT OF THE CITIES IS NOT MORE COST, BUT BUT MAYBE MORE SHARE OF THOSE REVENUES.

HOWEVER IT'S WORKED OUT IN THE CONTRACT.

OKAY, OKAY, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

I JUST MEANT IN TERMS OF FREQUENCY TO MULTIFAMILIES, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE PUT IN BULK IN THE REGULAR TRASH, AND IT MAKES THE COMMUNITIES LOOK HORRIBLE IN TERMS OF, UH, THE RUBBISH.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, AROUND THERE.

AND OTHER THAN THAT AS WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF TRANSIENT PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSTANTLY MOVING.

AND THERE'S PEOPLE DO A LOT MORE E-COMMERCE SHOPPING WHERE THERE'S BOXES AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO I THINK COMPARED TO 2010 TO 2024, IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PROLIFERATION OF BULK HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY.

SO IN TERMS OF THE FREQUENCY, I THINK QUARTERLY, UH, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE THAT'S A LITTLE TOO LONG.

I'LL PREFER MORE OF A MONTHLY BECAUSE I'M A RENTER AND I LIVE IN APARTMENTS, AND I SEE IT CONSTANTLY.

WHEN I WAS AT SPECTRA AND ALSO NOW AT TAMARAC VILLAGE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH THAT'S BULK PICK UP ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY MOVING IN AND OUT OF THESE PLACES. SO I THINK A MONTHLY, A MONTHLY OPTION WOULD DEFINITELY BE NEEDED, EVEN RESIDENTIAL, ONCE A WEEK, I CONSTANTLY GET COMPLAINTS FROM THE WOODLANDS WHERE PEOPLE PUT STUFF OUT AND I HAVE TO CALL, UH, ANDREAS, THE YOUNG MAN AT, UH, AT WASTE MANAGEMENT.

AND HE'S BEEN ACCOMMODATING AND HAVING PEOPLE TO GO BACK AND REMOVE THE BULK PICKUPS.

SO THE BULK PART OF IT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND IN TERMS OF COMPLAINT FROM RESIDENTS.

SO THE MULTIFAMILY PART OF IT, I'LL DEFINITELY BE, IF WE CAN SEE WHAT IT COSTS FOR THE MONTHLY, THAT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT I'M OPEN TO, UH, HAVING AS A PROPOSAL AS WELL.

THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, UH, TROY, JUST JUST FOR THE RECORD, TELL US AGAIN HOW MANY TIMES WE PICK UP BULK CURRENTLY FOR CURBSIDE. IT'S IT'S AVAILABLE ONCE EVERY WEEK.

AND THEN FOR MULTIFAMILY FOR CONDOS, IT'S AVAILABLE ONCE A QUARTER.

AND IF A CONDO WANTS TO HAVE MORE FREQUENT BULK THAN THAT, THEN THEY HAVE TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL RATE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL COLLECTION. AND THAT'S THAT THAT AT THAT POINT, THAT'S 100% FROM THEM TO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

SO SO RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IT'S IT'S QUARTERLY.

UM, AND WE WE WOULD GO TO THEORETICALLY ONE MONTH TO PICK UP THAT BULK FROM, FROM MULTIFAMILY.

BUT IF THE RESPONSIBILITY OR THE COST BURDEN IS ON THEM.

UM, COULD THEY UM, IN, IN, IN AUTONOMY IN THEIR CONDO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH QUARTERLY AND NOT LOOK AT THE MONTHLY OPTION THAT THE CITY WOULD PROPOSE.

TYPICALLY THE IDEA IS THAT YOU WE'RE PAYING FOR YOU'RE PAYING FOR THAT ACCESS AND THAT ABILITY TO DO SO.

SO IF A, IF, IF A PARTICULAR CONDO OPTED TO ONLY SET BULK OUT ONCE A QUARTER, THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO THEM.

I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT WE DO SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD PICK A FREQUENCY.

UM, UH, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT ALSO, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY DO NEED SOMETHING ON.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MONTH AFTER THEY'VE DONE QUARTERLY, UM, THEN THEN THAT THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.

SO IT'S THE SAME THING FOR, FOR FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

EVERYBODY PAYS FOR CURRENTLY PAYS FOR THAT ABILITY TO SET BULK UP ONCE A WEEK.

BUT NOT EVERYBODY I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT THIS AT LESS THAN 30% OF THE CITY DOES.

SO, BUT THAT'S THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR.

SO AS FAR AS THE THE MULTIFAMILY, I WOULD, I, I WOULD I RECOMMEND WE GO TO UM, A MONTHLY, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO DO TO PICK A SCHEDULE FOR UM, FOR, FOR ALL OF MULTIFAMILY.

RIGHT. BUT. BUT YOU ALSO SAID THAT THEY.

THEY PAY THEIR CONDO TO TO PICK UP THE TRASH, NOT THE CITY.

SO IF THEY IF THEY DON'T PAY.

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THROUGH THEIR TAXES AT THE CITY TO PICK UP, BUT THEY PAY THEIR CONDO.

UM, WHY ARE WE THEN SETTING THE SCHEDULE ON THEIR BEHALF? BE FOR THE FOR THE BULK SIDE.

WE WE DO THAT ACROSS ACROSS THE ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHEN WE ON THE BULK SIDE, THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE ON THE MULTIFAMILY SIDE RIGHT NOW IS, IS QUARTERLY BULK COLLECTION.

IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING EXTRA, THEN THEY HAVE TO THEN THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.

AND I AND I KNOW WE HAVE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT WHERE TWO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIRECT PAYMENT TO WASTE.

WE WE AS A CITY DON'T DON'T RECEIVE ANYTHING BACK FROM THAT.

WE HAVE A FRANCHISE FEE THAT WE'RE THAT THAT WE'RE, THAT WE RECEIVE FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT.

WE EFFECTIVELY KEEP A PORTION OF, OF ALL THE, UM, UM, FEES THAT ARE PAID FROM THE RESIDENTS TO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THEY GET SOME, WE GET SOME.

BUT ON ON THIS THING WHERE THERE'S ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE THAT A CONDO WANTS TO DO, IF THEY WANT TO DO ADDITIONAL BULK SERVICE, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BETWEEN THEM AND WASTE MANAGEMENT. AND THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT ANY THAT'S NOT A TRANSACTION THAT GOES THROUGH US.

SO THE INCENTIVE THEN FOR THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT IF WE INCREASE TO UM, EVERY MONTH, THEN THERE IS AN INCENTIVE TO THE CITY.

UM, AND, AND THAT IS THE ONLY BUSINESS DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING.

THEY, THEY COULD THEORETICALLY, UM, PUT THEIR BULK OUT EVERY QUARTER AND SAY WE'RE NOT WE DON'T WANT TO BEAR ADDITIONAL COSTS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PAY WASTE MANAGEMENT OR WHOEVER IS PICKING UP THAT BULK.

UM, BUT FROM THE CITY'S POINT OF VIEW, CHANGING, CHANGING THE SCHEDULE MEANS THAT WE GET MORE MONEY.

SO I JUST I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR FOR, FOR FOR US THAT IF WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, EVERY, EVERY MONTH FOR, FOR PICKUP, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT OUT OVER A MONTH.

RIGHT? THERE'S A THERE'S A TWO FOLD, UM, DISCUSSION HERE.

I'VE HEARD FROM CONDOS AND CONDO PRESIDENTS AND, AND BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UM, THEY WOULD LOVE FOR BULK TO BE PICKED UP MORE FREQUENTLY.

UM, I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING.

HOWEVER, WE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THESE RESIDENTS ARE THEN GOING TO SCREAM AT THE COST FOR PICKING UP THESE BULKS.

AND WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEMS IN CONDOS.

RISING FEES, RIGHT? UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE ASSESSMENTS.

UH COMMISSIONER. VILLALOBOS JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE INSURANCE COSTS GOING UP.

SO IF THE CITY THEN IS SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND ONCE PER MONTH PICKUP.

THEN THEORETICALLY, AND IT'S NOT EVEN FUZZY MATH.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT FOR BULK PICKUP IN CONDOS.

QUARTERLY VERSUS MONTHLY.

RIGHT? SO IF THEY'RE PAYING FOR PICK UP, PICK UP FOUR TIMES PER YEAR, NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR PICKUP 12 TIMES PER YEAR.

IT'S NOT FOR THE MATH.

IT IS LOGIC.

SO IF IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE PAYING LET'S SAY $100 EVERY FOUR MONTHS, $400 A YEAR, NOW THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT BULK PICKUP, $100 A MONTH, THAT'S $1,200.

CONDO FEES GO UP.

SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION THAT BENEFITS THE CITY FINANCIALLY, BUT THEN AFFECTS THE RESIDENTS FINANCIALLY.

SO THAT'S THE THE THE PART WHERE I'M I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFLICTED BECAUSE WHILE WE WANT TO APPEASE THE CONDO OWNERS AND PARENTS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF, AND LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THE PARENTS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE BULK IS OUTSIDE, NOT BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTS FAULTS, BUT BECAUSE WASTE MANAGEMENT MRS THAT BULK, AND THEY COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME.

THE RESIDENTS AND I HAVE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL WASTE MANAGEMENT TO TELL THEM, GO PICK UP THE BULK THAT YOU MISSED.

SO WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING OUT TO THE RESIDENTS TO TO TO THEN GO CITE THEM, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.

IT'S WASTE MANAGEMENT'S FAULT.

JUST TO BE CLEAR.

SO. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AN OPINION RIGHT NOW WHERE THE BULK PICK UP THE SCHEDULE BECAUSE.

AS I HEAR IT, IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION FOR THE CITY, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION THAT THAT.

POSITIVELY AFFECT US BUT COULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT RESIDENTS.

SO SO SO THAT'S JUST MY MY MY RAW THINKING.

AND AND I HEAR MY COLLEAGUES.

AND WHEREVER THIS GOES, I'M FINE.

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UM. AND I'M SURE CONDOS WOULD WOULD LOVE THE FREQUENCY OF OF COLLECTION.

BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE COST OR THE PRICE TAG THAT COMES WITH IT.

AND THAT'S AND WILL, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE THING WE'LL KNOW THE PRICE TAG WHEN WE WHEN WE SEE IT.

THIS IS, THIS MAY BE AN AREA THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, DOING SOME KIND OF A OF A, OF AN ALTERNATE PROPOSAL BASED ON THE FREQUENCY.

I KNOW THE WAY I LOOK AT ON THE CONDO SIDE THAT I THINK IS REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE TOTAL VOLUME THAT'S GENERATED OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR SHOULD STAY, UM, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF PLACES THAT THEY BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, START BULK PILING THEIR OWN BULK.

IN ADVANCE OF THAT QUARTERLY BULK SET OUT, AND SO BEING ABLE TO DO THAT ON A MORE FREQUENT BASIS, UM, WILL, UM, TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF OF THESE, THE MULTIFAMILY PLACES AND BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SHIFT IT OUT ONTO, YOU KNOW, TO GET IT TO BE COLLECTED BY WASTE MANAGEMENT MORE FREQUENTLY.

AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, AS FAR AS THE SOMETIMES IT'S WASTE MANAGEMENT'S FAULT FOR MISSING SOMETHING, YOU'RE 100% CORRECT.

UM, BY HAVING A LESS FREQUENT COLLECTION, I THINK THAT ALSO MAKES THAT THAT RESPONSIBILITY MUCH, MUCH CLEANER AND CLEARER.

WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S A SET OUT ISSUE AND WHEN IT'S A MISSED BULK.

AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY WOULD MAKE THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE CONTRACT THAT MUCH EASIER.

UM, SO IS THERE A DISCUSSION THEN ON THE TABLE TO CHANGE THE SCHEDULE, NOT JUST FOR MULTIFAMILY, UM, BUT FOR SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

AND WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION? RECOMMENDATION IS IS MONTHLY FOR BOTH.

AND TO THAT I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.

YOUR YOUR YOUR OWN SURVEY.

AND BY THE WAY, THIS THIS SURVEY IS, IS SKEWED BECAUSE ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY COULD RESPOND.

MY GRANDMOTHER IN JAMAICA COULD, COULD GO IN THE QR CODE AND AND DO YOUR SURVEY.

SO DON'T DON'T THINK THAT FOR A MINUTE I'M EVEN THINKING ABOUT YOUR SURVEY.

BUT, UM, YOUR OWN SURVEY SAYS THEY ARE OVERWHELMINGLY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE.

THAT'S WHAT THE SURVEY RESULT SAYS.

THEY'RE NOT OVERWHELMINGLY HAPPY WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.

LET US MAKE THAT CLEAR.

THEY'RE OVERWHELMINGLY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE.

SO IF THEN WE SAY.

LET'S CHANGE BACK TO MONTHLY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE OVERLY, OVERWHELMINGLY UNHAPPY WITH THE SERVICE BECAUSE THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THE BULK BEING PICKED UP EVERY WEEK.

THEY WOULD BE OVERWHELMINGLY UNHAPPY WITH BULK PICKING UP EVERY MONTH.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THAT LOGIC? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC.

SO, SO THEN IF IF WE ARBITRARILY JUST JUST GIVE YOU, JUST SAY TO YOU, OH, LET'S DO EVERY MONTH AFTER HEARING FROM RESIDENTS THAT THEY'RE OVERWHELMINGLY HAPPY, THEN WE'D HAVE TO DO THE SURVEY ALL OVER AGAIN TO SEE IF THEY ARE OVERWHELMINGLY HAPPY WITH PICKING UP BULK EVERY MONTH. I KNOW THAT THIS WEEK I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PUT UP BULK FROM MY HOUSE.

LISTEN, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SPACE.

EVERY FAMILY IS TRYING TO MAKE SPACE TO BRING A BROTHER HOME OR A.

AREN'T HOME BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FACED WITH ISSUES, THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR BILLS, SO EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO LIVE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA PUT BULK OUT.

I CANNOT AGREE TO TO, TO BULK BEING PUT OUT EVERY, EVERY MONTH.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THE THE RESIDENTS WOULD GO CRAZY.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE OVERWHELMINGLY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE AND THAT'S AND THAT THAT IS WHY WE ASKED, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED GENERAL QUESTIONS AND ASKED MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS WELL.

SO YOU ARE RIGHT, I IT IS NICE TO SEE THAT THEY'RE OVERWHELMINGLY SATISFIED WITH THE WITH THE OVERALL SERVICES.

BUT ALSO WHEN WE DRILL DOWN AND ASK SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON RECYCLING? WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON BULK.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THEY THEY ARE HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES THEY'RE PROVIDING.

ALL I'M SAYING IS FROM THE FROM THE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT IS THAT IT'S LESS IT'S LESS THAN A THIRD WHO STATE THAT THEY USE.

BULK AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH AND ALMOST WEEKLY.

SORRY. ALMOST WEEKLY.

AND WHAT I COULD SAY IS THAT WE DID THIS THEN BACKWARDS.

WE WE ASK QUESTIONS TO RESIDENTS, AND THEN YOU COME TO US TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE? YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE? AND THEN ASK RESIDENTS IF THEY AGREE.

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WITH WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, ASKING THEM IF THEY IF THEY LOVE A SERVICE OR IF THEY WANT TO DO THIS OR IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, AND THEN COMING TO US AND THEN ASKING US, OH, SHOULD WE CHANGE? AND BY THE WAY, THEY DON'T HAVE A VOTE AT THE TABLE.

THE VOTE THEIR VOTES IS IT'S US.

SO SO YOU'RE YOU YOU'VE ASKED THEM WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT A SERVICE AND THEN ASKING US IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT SERVICE.

IT'S NOT RIGHT, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THE SERVICE.

I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, PUTTING OUT BULK ONCE PER MONTH WOULD BE IMPROVING A SERVICE.

PERHAPS PICKING UP BULK ONCE PER MONTH IN CONDOS IS IMPROVING A SERVICE.

IT'S ELEVATING COSTS FOR THEM AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO LIVE WITH THOSE COSTS.

BUT IMPROVING THE SERVICE IS IS THE SERVICE WOULD BE DIMINISHED.

PICKING UP BULK ONCE PER MONTH.

NO THANK YOU.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS HAD HIS CARD OVER COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. UM.

I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP ON WHAT TROY WAS SAYING AND WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS SAYING.

MY VICE MAYOR BOLTON WAS SAYING, UH, COMMENTS.

MM. AND, UM, SO DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, HAVING 30% OF THE PEOPLE DO ACTUAL BULK, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

MM. UM.

I SEE THAT THROUGHOUT EVERY COMMUNITY, EVERY MONDAY, TUESDAY, WHENEVER DEPENDS ON WHAT THE BULK OF DAY IS.

SO DEFINITELY REDUCING THAT.

UM, I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

IS IT ONCE A MONTH? UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT.

UH, ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS YOU CAN START.

BUT LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IT IS JUST A, YOU KNOW, CONSENSUS WITH THE PROPOSAL.

SAY, HEY, IF THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, GUYS, YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO WEEKS, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO EVERY THREE WEEKS, BECAUSE 30% IS NOTHING.

UM. IS IT POSSIBLE ALSO TO, UM.

GET, UH, VPNS FROM THE SURVEY SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN PROVIDE IT TO US SO THAT WE CAN HAVE CERTAINTY THAT THESE SURVEYS WERE ACTUALLY DONE BY OUR RESIDENTS VERSUS, UH, SOMEONE IN, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER IP ADDRESSES.

MHM. UM, JUST JUST A REQUEST.

MHM. UM, AND I THINK WE'LL WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT INFORMATION COMING BACK TO US.

UM, DEFINITELY.

DO YOU THINK SO? MY LAST QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK THAT INCREASING IT TO, UH, ONCE A MONTH BULK TRASH FOR MULTIFAMILY, UM, IS OFFSETTED THE COST OFFSET BY US DOING EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? UM, I KNOW WE HAVE A REVENUE COMING IN, BUT IF WE DO IT ONCE A MONTH, IS IT A TRUE COST TO THE CONDO ASSOCIATION OR IS IT JUST KIND OF WASHED OFF? BUT WE STILL HAVE A REVENUE COMING IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF MY MY GUESS IS THAT THAT WOULD BE LARGELY A WASH.

I DON'T SEE THIS.

I MEAN, I DON'T SEE IT AS A MECHANISM TO ENGINEER A COST.

I THINK AS A MATTER OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, THAT WE'RE.

DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MEET THE CURRENT NEEDS.

AND IN MY OPINION, I FEEL THAT THE.

MONTHLY BULK.

IN BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY.

UM, IS IS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE LEVEL? I THINK THE BI WEEKLY IS A IS IS A IS A PERFECTLY GOOD, UM, ALTERNATIVE.

I KNOW THAT ONE.

THAT ONE GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED AND HOW YOU SCHEDULE IT, BUT CERTAINLY NOT CERTAINLY NOT IMPOSSIBLE, AND CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT WOULD DO A SCHEDULE LIKE THAT. RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. COMMISSIONER. DANIEL.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MAYOR.

UM, AGAIN, I'LL.

I'LL REPEAT, IF SINGLE FAMILIES ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE WEEKLY AND YOU CHANGE TO MONTHLY, WHICH THEY DID NOT ASK, HE, UM, VICE MAYOR CAME WITH A DIFFERENT APPROACH, BUT IT'S IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT HE DID.

WE DID NOT ASK TO STOP FROM WEEKLY.

SO SINCE WE'RE PAYING FOR WEEKLY, CONDOS ARE NOT PAYING FOR WEEKLY, I DON'T THINK.

IT'S, UM, RIGHT TO TAKE MONEY FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS AND THEN GIVE IT TO APARTMENTS OR OTHER TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENT.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

SO IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING CUTTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS, UM, BULK PICK UP TO ONCE A MONTH, THEN YOU SHOULD ALSO BE

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CUTTING THE COSTS WE PAY IN OUR TAXES THAT FINANCE FINANCE.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE A WASH.

WELL AND AND FINANCES ROLE IN THIS IS GOING TO BE ONCE WE GET A NEW CONTRACT IN PLACE FINANCE WILL LOOK KNOW YOU TOLD THE COMMISSIONER THAT IT WOULD BE A WASH, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A WASH BECAUSE OUR TAXES WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE CUT BECAUSE WE'LL NO LONGER BE PICKED UP ONCE A WEEK.

ONCE A WEEK WE'LL BE PICKED UP ONCE A MONTH.

AND MATHEMATICALLY, WE'LL NO LONGER BE 30% DEBT.

NOW, SINGLE FAMILY GOING TO HAVE TOO MUCH GARBAGE ON THE OUTSIDE FOR 48 HOURS.

70. NOW YOU'RE GIVING CODE INCENTIVE TO GO PICK.

UM. GIVE PEOPLE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? CITATIONS FOR HAVING THE GARBAGE OUT.

BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE CREATED A BIGGER PROBLEM WHERE THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM.

RIGHT. AND EVEN AT THE ONCE A WEEK WASTE MANAGEMENT, I STILL GET COMPLAINTS.

MY ONLY COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS IS THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT ISN'T PICKING UP.

NOT THAT CODE ISN'T CITING SOMEONE, BUT THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT IS NOT PICKING UP WHEN THEY SAY OR THEY'RE BEING RUDE TO THE RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S THE COMPLAINT.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THE RESIDENTS WANT TO GO TO ONCE A MONTH IS THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT ISN'T PICKING UP, OR WHOEVER THEY SEND TO PICK UP IS BEING RUDE AND JUST LEAVE IT.

RIGHT. UM, BEFORE YOU PROCEED, CITY MANAGER WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, UM.

WE'RE SPECULATING ON THE POSSIBLE IMPACTS OF OF THE CHOICES THAT WE'RE MAKING TODAY.

SO, UM, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ADD THIS, YOU WILL PAY MORE.

IF YOU TAKE THIS OUT, YOU'LL PAY LESS.

UM, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE THE IMPACT OF THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE SELECTING, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE SOLICITATION PROCESS.

SO I THINK OUR EXPECTATION FROM TODAY IS THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION IN TERMS OF THE SERVICES THAT WERE, UM, INTERESTED, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO IF WE CAN GET THAT FROM YOU TODAY, UH, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE FREQUENCY, UH, IT YOU KNOW, WELL, I MEAN, CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, A DIRECTION FOR THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

UM, THEN WE WOULD, UM, UH, PROCEED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PROCESS.

SO SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP WHILE I WAS TALKING, THE FREQUENCY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM, RIGHT.

UM, SO IF YOU'RE TAKING AWAY SERVICE, WHAT IS THE COMPENSATION FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU'RE TAKING AWAY? BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE CREATING A PROBLEM THAT WASN'T THERE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THAT UP.

IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME BECAUSE I'VE NOT HEARD OF YOU GIVING BACK MONEY OR MAKING ANYTHING LESS.

SO, OBVIOUSLY, EVEN THOUGH I'M SAYING THAT I KNOW LOGICALLY FROM EXPERIENCE, YOU'RE NOT GIVING BACK ANY MONEY.

NO ONE IS GETTING BACK ANY MONEY.

UM, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT IS IF CONDO IS GOING UP, THEY NEED TO PAY FOR IT.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS THEIR BILL TO GO UP.

CONDO, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, ANYTHING.

BUT IF THAT'S ON THE TABLE, RIGHTFULLY SO.

EVERY MAN PAID FOR THEIR OWN STUFF.

BOTTOM LINE, I KNOW WATCHING IT WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S BILL.

NO. UH, TO, UM, FOCUS ON WHAT YOU SAID.

CITY MANAGER. I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON AN IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN TERMS OF COST.

IT WAS. WASN'T THAT THE DISCUSSION? AND, UH, GOING TO VICE MAYOR'S POINT, PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH ONCE A WEEK, WHICH IS WHY MY EARLIER COMMENT SAID, HEY, TO IMPROVE THIS WITH WHAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH, WE CAN MAKE MULTI-FAMILY MONTHLY.

THAT'S AN OPTION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO US WITH COST AND EVERYTHING.

IS THAT TRUE? WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE'RE ESTABLISHING THAT THE FRAMEWORK IS FOR THE PROPOSALS.

YES. AND SO FROM THAT, FROM THOSE PROPOSALS THEN LOOKING INTO INTO NEXT YEAR, THEN WE'LL MAKE THE DECISION, WE'LL DO THE EVALUATION OF OF THOSE PROPOSALS AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIND THE BEST FIT FOR THE CITY.

SO, SO, SO AGAIN, WE'RE UM I GUESS.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.

AND SO WE'RE REALLY OUR FOCUS IS ON THE SCOPE OF WORK AND THEN AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO KEEP IN MIND COSTS BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A COST WITH EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED.

BUT OUR NUMBER ONE FOCUS HERE TODAY IS WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE DO WE DO.

WE WANT TO PUT OUT THERE AS A FRAMEWORK FOR THE PROPOSALS.

SO SPECULATED ON COSTS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

WE WOULDN'T DEAL WITH THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SETTING THE FRAMEWORK, THE BASIS, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

AND THEN FROM THERE. SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, I LIKE RESIDENTIAL ONCE PER WEEK THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S TO HAVE CONSENSUS WITH, WITH, WITH MY TWO OTHER COLLEAGUES FOR THAT PART.

AND I WAS SAYING WITH, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I'D IMPROVE SOME TO MONTHLY.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SUPPORT IN TERMS OF WHEN WE SEE THE COST AND WE'LL MAKE A DECISION THERE AND THEN I'M JUST SAYING TO IMPROVE THE SERVICE, I WOULD

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LIKE TO SEE MULTIFAMILY GO FROM QUARTERLY TO MONTHLY, AND THEN WE'LL SEE THE COSTS BASED ON WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.

IN TERMS OF THE SURVEY, WHAT TYPE OF DATA DID YOU COLLECT? DID YOU COLLECT EMAILS, ADDRESS OR JUST RANDOM PEOPLE JUST SUBMITTING A SURVEY? I WOULD NEED TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE.

I MEAN, WE USED WE USE SURVEY MONKEY.

I, I DOUBT THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL UP THE, THE, THE INTERNET ADDRESSES FOR EACH ONE.

I KNOW SURVEY. I MEAN WE YOU CAN YEAH YOU CAN YOU CAN PULL IP ADDRESSES.

SO YOU'LL SEE THE IP ADDRESSES OF THE SUBMISSION.

AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF THOSE ARE TAMARAC IP ADDRESSES.

SO THOSE. SO, UM, I MEAN, WELL, I'LL, WE'LL.

AND THAT'S JUST NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT VICE MAYOR'S BOLTON GRANDMOTHER IN MANCHESTER, UM, SUBMITTING A SURVEY, UH, SO THAT THAT'S A WAY THAT WE CAN SEE IF THESE ARE LEGITIMATE SURVEY IN TERMS OF VALIDATING THE DATA.

JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.

SO I THINK YOU CAN PRINT OUT ALL THE SURVEYS.

YOU'LL SEE THE IP ADDRESSES AND THEN WE CAN MATCH THOSE IP ADDRESSES IF THOSE ARE TAMARAC IP ADDRESSES JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DATA IS NOT SKEWED INTO.

ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHTY.

SO THOSE ARE MY, UH, POINTS.

ALL RIGHTY. HI.

SO. AS HAS BEEN THANKFULLY REITERATED.

THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A BLUEPRINT SO YOU CAN GO OUT AND DO THE RFP BECAUSE WE WERE AT AN END OF A CONTRACT OR WE WERE AT AN END OF A CONTRACT, WE EXTENDED IT AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION ANYMORE.

SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT TODAY'S PRICES ARE FOR THE SERVICES THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES AND NEED, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR MULTIFAMILY.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE ISSUE IS.

WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT EQUALS BULK VERSUS WHAT IS JUST LARGE PIECES OF GARBAGE OR POSSIBLY RECYCLING? BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING OUT FOR THE HOLIDAYS AND WE'RE GETTING A NEW TELEVISION, OR WE'RE GETTING NEW COMPUTERS, OR WE'RE GETTING NEW SOMETHING, THOSE BIG BOXES, OR YOU'RE SHOPPING ON AMAZON EVERY OTHER DAY AND YOU GO GET 36 THINGS OF TOILET PAPER AND PAPER TOWELS.

THOSE ARE BIG BOXES THAT COME TO YOUR HOUSE.

THAT'S BOXES.

THAT'S GARBAGE, GETS BROKEN DOWN, GOES TO RECYCLING.

THAT'S NOT BULK, RIGHT? SO WE PROBABLY NEED A NEW EDUCATION CAMPAIGN TO SEPARATE OUT BULK TRUE BULK VERSUS GARBAGE.

UM, I THINK WE WENT TO 48 HOURS FOR PUTTING OUT GARBAGE.

I THINK THAT WAS A MAJOR MISTAKE ON THE CITY'S PART.

TRYING TO BE KIND AND HELPFUL HAS CREATED SOME OF THE CODE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE SOMEBODY GOES, AH, WELL, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IF IT'S JUST 50 HOURS, I'M GOING AWAY FOR THE WEEK. I DON'T REALLY CARE.

OR I'VE GOT MY VACATION RENTAL NEXT DOOR OR ON THE VACATION RENTAL.

I'VE COME IN, I'VE GONE SHOPPING, I'VE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME.

I'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF JUNK TO THROW OUT.

I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT EARLY, CAUSING PROBLEMS. I'M NOT SAYING WASTE MANAGEMENT IS PERFECT.

NO PLACE IS PERFECT.

BUT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS I'VE WATCHED IT AND I'VE STOPPED THE RECYCLE GUY IN OUR, UH, BULK GUY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

YOU'RE FULL. YOUR STUFF IS COMING OUT YOUR BACK AND FLOWING AND GOING BACK ONTO THE STREET.

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? HE GOES, YOU HAVE SO MUCH STUFF.

YOUR COMMUNITY HAS SO MUCH STUFF I HAVE TO CALL IN ANOTHER TRUCK.

IS ANOTHER TRUCK READILY AVAILABLE? THESE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE ISSUE OF THE BUSINESS THAT WE'RE USING, BUT THE USERS OF THE SERVICES.

WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY OF WHEN WE PUT THINGS OUT, HOW MUCH WE PUT OUT, AND OUR EXPECTATIONS OF HAVING IT PICKED UP.

UM, SO IN YOUR SURVEY, IN YOUR RFP, THESE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN YOU SEND IT OUT THERE.

UM, AND I REALLY DO THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD POSSIBLY REDISCUSS THE 24 VERSUS 48 HOURS, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING ALL YOUR GARBAGE OUT AHEAD OF TIME, IT'S A.

RATS LOVE IT.

RACCOONS LOVE IT.

COYOTES LOVE IT.

PEOPLE WHO PICK THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE'S TRASH LOVE IT AND LEAVE IT AN ABSOLUTE STY.

AND ALL THE GARBAGE IS ALL STREWN AROUND THE PERSON'S FRONT LAWN.

AND THEN WHEN BULK COMES UP, IF THE PICKUP PERSON COMES TO PICK UP, IT'S NOT IN THAT NICE, NEAT MANNER ANYMORE.

AND THEY CAN'T GET EVERYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET OUT OF THEIR TRUCK.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PICK UP WHAT THEY CAN.

THAT WAS PUT INTO THREE CUBIC YARDS, WHICH I DID THINK WAS FOUR IN THAT NICE LITTLE PILE.

SO IT CAN EASILY GO IN THE TRUCK AND GO.

SO THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER REASON WHY SOME ITEMS ARE MISSED.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT A AC, NOT AN AC.

WAS IT A COUCH, MATTRESSES, REFRIGERATORS, DISHWASHERS AND ALL THE LIKE? THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY BULK STANDARDS.

YOU NEED TO CALL SOME OF THAT IN IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT OUT.

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SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING INTO THEIR NEW PLACES, LEAVING THEIR OLD PLACES, BEING EVICTED FROM THEIR PLACES, WHICHEVER ONE OF THE REASONS WAS THERE, A MULTITUDE CAN HAVE CERTAIN THINGS WORKED OUT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.

SO THERE'S SOME BETTER COMMUNICATION AND COOPERATION.

UM. I HAVE HEARD PLENTY FROM RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

THAT ARE SAYING WE DON'T NEED BULK EVERY WEEK.

IT ONLY GIVES PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MESS IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I HEAR PLENTY FROM OUR MULTIFAMILY SAYING IT TAKES TOO LONG OR THINGS ARE OVERFLOWING.

THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE BEING CITED BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING ALLEGED THAT THEY'RE THE ONES WHO THREW THE LAST THING OVER THE CONTAINER, AND IT WASN'T THEM, BUT IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE'S COUCH IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT THING, OR WHATEVER BULK THAT WAS PUT IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT THING THAT'S TAKEN UP ALL THE ROOM, BECAUSE THREE EVERY THREE MONTHS IS TOO MUCH.

SO, UM.

I THINK WE'VE HAD CONSENSUS.

UM. FOR THE ONE PARTICULAR ITEM THAT YOU'VE ASKED US FOR, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE REST OF THIS ITEM THAT.

WE LOOK AT MONTHLY FOR OUR MULTIFAMILY.

AND I THINK IN THIS, WITHIN YOUR REQUEST, MAYBE YOU FIND OUT WHAT IT IS FOR EVERY TWO MONTHS AND WE GET TO MAKE A DECISION IF BUT EVERY THREE MONTHS DOESN'T WORK IN TODAY'S DAY AND AGE ANYMORE.

UM. AS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK THAT WE LOOK AT WHAT IT IS FOR WEEKLY, BUT WE ALSO LOOK WHAT IT IS FOR EVERY TWO WEEKS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST PATH.

BECAUSE REALLY.

YOU LOOK AROUND YOUR COMMUNITY, TRULY, REALLY LOOK AROUND YOUR COMMUNITIES.

AND HOW OFTEN IS EVERY HOUSEHOLD PUTTING OUT BULK? A LOT OF IT IS YARD WASTE.

RESIDENTIAL IS YARD WASTE.

MAYBE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF WE COULD DO YARD WASTE TWICE A WEEK.

VERSUS ONCE A WEEK.

I FIND YARD WASTE TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE BECAUSE LANDSCAPERS COME AROUND OR YOUR WHOMEVER IN THE HOUSEHOLD IS DOING THE LANDSCAPING.

THAT YOU NEED MORE TIME AND NOT ALL THE TIME DO THE LANDSCAPERS HAUL THEIR STUFF AWAY.

SO. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU'VE GOT YOUR CONSENSUS THAT YOU NEED FOR AT LEAST THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

MHM. COOL BEANS.

CITY MANAGER YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. I THINK UM, THE MESSAGE WE HAVE, THE CONSENSUS WE HAVE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO STRUCTURE THE RFP, UH, IN A WAY THAT THAT PROVIDES, UH, THOSE PRICING OPTIONS, UH, FOR, FOR THE OPTIONS THAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT HERE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THE EVALUATION CAN BE BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BASED ON THOSE AT THAT TIME.

I APPRECIATE THAT. AND SO ONE OF MY OTHER COMMENTS THAT I DIDN'T MAKE WAS IT'S KIND OF COMBINATION PLAY FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND THE CONDO.

I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOU SEPARATELY.

UM. AN A LA CARTE MENU TYPE SITUATION, AN OPTION OF A, B, OR C, SO WHILE IT'S NOT.

ANYBODY. YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF THREE PEOPLE, THREE DIFFERENT SERVICES.

HERE ARE WHAT THEY'RE CLAIMING THEY WILL GIVE YOU.

YOU CAN NOW CONTRACT WITH THEM AND DETERMINE, I THINK IF WHAT I'M HEARING IS CONDO, WE REALLY PROBABLY CAN'T DO THAT.

AND THIS IS A BETTER DISCUSSION FOR COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO FOR THE NEXT PORTION OF OUR SHOW, UM, KEEP THAT IN MIND AS ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO BRING UP AND DISCUSS FURTHER ON CONDO. ANYTHING LEFT ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC FOR.

I'M SORRY. GARBAGE BULK.

NOT RECYCLING YET.

GARBAGE BULK FOR CONDO AND MULTIFAMILY.

I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THE, UM, WHAT WE ARE IN CONSENSUS WITH BECAUSE NO ONE STATED WHERE EXACTLY THE CONSENSUS IS THAT WE ARE ASKING THE BID TO GO OUT FOR ONCE A MONTH TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION OF ONCE A MONTH, OR POSSIBLY ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS FOR CONDOS AND THEN RESIDENTIAL FOR KEEPING IT ONCE A MONTH, OR, SORRY, ONCE A WEEK, OR POSSIBLY TWICE A MONTH.

THAT'S WHY I. YEAH, OKAY.

I ALREADY HAD. POSSIBLY.

GET A PROPOSAL.

I THOUGHT WE HAD THREE.

AM I JUST IN A PROPOSAL? WE'RE GOING TO SEE, UH, TWICE A WEEK OR ONCE A WEEK? YEAH. I'M IN. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL OF ONE ONCE A MONTH, TWICE A MONTH, TWICE A MONTH OR ONCE A MONTH FOR RESIDENTIAL, ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS FOR CONDO MULTIFAMILY.

AND THIS IS JUST FOR BULK.

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THIS IS JUST FOR INFORMATION WE GET CLARIFICATION ON BECAUSE THE MANAGER.

ON ON THE. NO.

I THINK I THINK THE MAYOR.

YOU MEANT ONCE A WEEK OR TWICE A MONTH.

UM, BULK BULK RESIDENTIAL.

AGAIN. IT'S ONLY ON BULK.

YEAH. AND THEN FOR MULTIFAMILY, LOOKING INTO THE COST OF ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS.

CORRECT? OKAY. YEP.

YEAH. AND THEN THOSE WILL BE MORE OUT IN THE, IN THE PROPOSALS.

AND THEN EVEN STILL WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT CONSTRUCT WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE, UH, THE BEST AND FINAL AT THAT POINT. SO AND CORRECT.

AND THEN FOR ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS LISTENING, WHETHER YOU LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OR A MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY, YOU CAN THEN DO US A FAVOR AND RESPOND AND GIVE US SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, WHICH WILL HELP IN THE FINALIZING PROCESS LATER ON.

I THINK THE MAYOR, THE OTHER REMAINING PIECE IS LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE COMMERCIAL, UM, SERVICE, AND WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A IT'S AN EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT.

AND SO IF YOU WANT TO CHOOSE TO GO TO A NON-EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT TO PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR OUR COMMERCIAL, UM, BUT NOT ON BULK, THAT'S IN GENERAL IN GENERAL BECAUSE MOST COMMERCIAL.

OKAY, SO AND STILL FOR RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY, WE STILL HAVE RECYCLING TO DISCUSS AND CONFIRMATION ON UM DISCUSSION FINALIZE OF YARD WASTE AND FINALIZE GARBAGE.

YES. YES OKAY.

BECAUSE ACTUALLY ON MULTIFAMILY YOU DON'T HAVE YARD WASTE.

SO WHERE DOES MULTIFAMILY YARD WASTE.

HOW'S THAT HANDLED? I MEAN, TYPICALLY THAT'S BEING DONE BY A BY A CONTRACTOR.

AND THAT'S IF IT'S A CONTRACTOR IS DOING IT THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY, THAT THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CONTRACTOR TO GET RID OF. SO SO THAT'S SO I MEAN, THERE CERTAINLY IS INCIDENTAL YARD WASTE WITHIN, WITHIN SOME OF THE CONDOS.

AND THAT WOULD BE EITHER AND TO BE HONEST, THAT WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME, THAT A SINGLE FAMILY WOULD DO THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CAN GO INTO THEIR REGULAR STREAM OF GARBAGE, IT CAN GO INTO THE REGULAR STREAM OF GARBAGE.

IF THEY NEED TO USE THE, THE THE BULK SERVICE FOR THAT, THEY CAN USE THE BULK SERVICE FOR THAT.

OKAY. SO.

BUT IT'S GARBAGE. IT'S REGULAR GARBAGE YARD WASTE GOES EITHER WAY.

EITHER. WHICH WAY? YARD WASTE IS.

PUT HIM CORRECT.

BUT WE'RE NOT STOPPING. WE'RE GETTING PRICES.

WE'RE GETTING PRICES TO FIND OUT.

AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED SEPARATELY ABOUT YARD WASTE IF WHETHER OR NOT YARD WASTE IS PICKED UP AND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR RFP GO OUT.

YARD WASTE IS VERY IMPORTANT IN A FLORIDA.

UM, CLIMATE WHERE WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF TRIMMING A LOT, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, DO YOU WANT US TO.

BECAUSE IT SAYS NO CHANGE IN FREQUENCY IS WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS.

SO FOR THE RESIDENTIAL GARBAGE, YOU NEED CONSENSUS ON THIS OR YOU FIND LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US TO THAT THAT AGAIN STRONG RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO THAT WE STICK WITH TWICE WEEKLY.

IF THERE'S IF THERE'S ANYBODY HAS IF WE WANT TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, WE CAN.

BUT THAT'S A STRONG RECOMMENDATION.

ALL RIGHT. CAN I JUST GET CONSENSUS.

WE'RE KEEPING GARBAGE TWICE A WEEK.

EVERYBODY ALL RIGHT.

YOU'VE GOT CONSENSUS NODDING HEADS OF ALL FIVE.

ALL RIGHT. UM, AND THIS IS RESIDENTIAL AND, UM.

SAME THING FOR MULTIFAMILY.

CORRECT. TWICE A WEEK. CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD.

SO NOW GOING TO RECYCLING.

RECYCLING IS ONCE A WEEK CAR SAME DAY AS THIS GARBAGE.

DID YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE OF A CONVERSATION AND THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO SHOW US IN YOUR PRESENTATION BEFORE GOING INTO THIS? UM, FOR OUR PURPOSES FOR THE RFP? NO, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THERE'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS WE'RE DOING.

ONE IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT APPROVING A, THE, THE RATE FOR RECYCLING THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON AND THAT AND THAT IS SEPARATE FROM RFP LOOKING FORWARD.

SO RFP LOOKING FORWARD WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR RECYCLING.

AND A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO REQUEST PROPOSALS FOR UM FOR.

PROCESSING EVERYTHING AS SOLID WASTE, TAKING EVERYTHING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT WOULD BE, WOULD BE, WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE COULD THAT THAT WE COULD DO THAT WE COULD HARDWIRE THAT INTO THE RFP.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE DON'T DECIDE THAT NOW, THEN HOW DO YOU DO THAT? BECAUSE WE NEED TO.

IT THAT GOES INTO YOUR RFP NOW, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO DON'T WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT NOW? WE WE WE WE DO WE DO NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.

AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO MAKE SURE LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE FOR THE BULK ALTERNATIVES.

I THINK THOSE ARE REASONABLE, UM, OPTIONS WITHOUT BEING OVERLY COMPLICATED.

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UM, THE RECYCLING, UM, IS ANOTHER AREA THAT I THINK WE CAN WE CAN GET PRICING FOR WHAT IT WOULD BE TO, TO DO, UH, A. RECYCLING AS A TRADITIONAL RECYCLING AS IT IS NOW, OR TO DO DIRECT EVERYTHING TOWARDS A, UM, A WASTE ENERGY PLANT. AND I AND I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT.

THIS DOESN'T DIRECT, THIS DOESN'T DIRECTLY AFFECT US AS A CITY.

BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT THE THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED A 75% RECYCLING GOAL.

AND SO CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, UM, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF TAMARAC, WE HAVE ABOUT A 21% DIVERSION RATE THAT WE RECYCLE 21% OF OUR SOLID WASTE STREAM.

THE GOAL SOMEDAY IS FOR THAT TO BE 75%, UM, FOR UM.

FOR MATERIAL THAT'S PROCESSED IN THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT.

THERE'S BASICALLY A 50%, UM, CREDIT FOR THAT AS AS RECYCLING SINCE IT'S A RENEWABLE RESOURCE.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE.

SO THERE ARE SO THERE ARE OPTIONS LIKE THAT GOING FORWARD THAT IF WE WANT TO GET A PRICE FOR, UM, WEEKLY RECYCLING AND THEN A PRICE FOR WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE STREAM, EVERYTHING GOING TO ONE, ONE FACILITY.

AND YOU WANT THAT TODAY, THOUGH? UM, YES. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD JUST BE THAT WOULD BE JUST THAT, THAT, THAT FRAMEWORK.

AND IF THE AND IF THE AND IF THE FEELING IS STRONGLY THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TRADITIONAL RECYCLING, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO CONTINUE.

ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S HAVE THAT RECYCLING CONVERSATION NOW BEFORE WE GO OVER TO COMMERCIAL.

ANYBODY WANT TO START THE PARTY? UH, NO. I'M OKAY WITH THE. I'M OKAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATION CONSIDERING THE SURVEY RESULTS AND, UM, SEEING THE PROPOSAL COME BACK TO US ANYWAYS.

OKAY. VICE-MAYOR.

UM, SO THE SURVEY RESULTS, UM.

SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BY PARTLY BOTS.

UM ALLEGEDLY SAID THAT.

RESIDENTS. DID NOT CARE ABOUT WHERE THE RECYCLING GOES.

YOU KNOW, THEY THEY STRONGLY THEY STRONGLY, UM, THE THEY WERE I THINK IT WAS 35% OF THEM WERE IN FAVOR OF RECYCLING GOING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

AND THEN.

AND THEN AFTER THAT.

THEN IT WAS, UM.

SEND IT ANYWHERE AS LONG AS THE PRICE DOESN'T GO UP.

SO SO IT'S 35% OF THEM.

TELL US THE SURVEY RESULTS FROM THE PAPER FROM YOUR PRESENTATION.

SO.

YEAH. SO THAT ONE WAS, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH RECYCLING? 35% SAID STOP RECYCLING, SEND IT TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

RIGHT. AND THEN 32% SAID, KEEP IT THE SAME TRADITIONAL RECYCLING, EVEN IF THE COST INCREASES.

AND THEN AFTER THAT IT STARTS DROPPING 20 SAID GO TO DUAL STREAM.

WHICH DUAL STREAM IS THE KIND OF THE OLD SYSTEM WE HAD BEFORE WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE TWO BINS WHERE YOU PUT PAPER IN ONE AND THEN AND THEN ALL THE OTHER RECYCLING IN ANOTHER, ALL THE HARD RECYCLING IN ONE PAPER, IN, IN, IN ANOTHER ONE.

THAT TENDS TO BE THAT THE VALUE OF THE RECYCLABLES IS HIGHER THAT WAY.

SO YOU WOULD ADD THE 27% THEORETICALLY TO, TO, UM, TO THE 32% OR 27% THEORETICALLY TO THE 35%.

I WOULD SAY THAT 27% IS PROBABLY IS IS MORE AKIN TO TRADITIONAL RECYCLING.

SO IF YOU WANTED, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DIVIDING THIS UP INTO TRADITIONAL NON TRADITIONAL RECYCLING, THEN I COULD, I COULD, I COULD SEE THAT RATIONALE.

UM, SO YOU WOULD SO WE WOULD SAY THEN 59% WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF.

UM, TRADITIONAL RECYCLING, TRADITIONAL RECYCLING.

I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

AND 41% SAYS WE DON'T REALLY CARE.

OR SEND IT TO THE WAIST.

RIGHT, RIGHT I WOULDN'T YEAH, I WOULDN'T CATEGORIZE THIS AS THEY DON'T CARE.

BUT YEAH THAT THAT IT WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE EITHER STOP RECYCLING OR SEND IT TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

OKAY. AND, AND ASSUMING THAT THIS SURVEY WAS DONE BY RESIDENTS.

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SO. 50 DO WE? WOULD WE GET 5,050% RECYCLING CREDIT? UM, IF WE JUST BUNDLE THE TRASH AND RECYCLING AND SEND IT TO A WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT, FOR INSTANCE? UM, I LOOKED AT CORAL SPRINGS AND SUNRISE AND AND THEY.

THEY LOOKED AT THAT OPTION.

WHY ARE WE NOT LOOKING AT LOOKING AT THAT? AT THAT OPTION? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT THAT THAT THAT ISN'T THAT IS AN OPTION FOR FOR US.

I WOULD LOOK AT IT GOING FORWARD IN THE NEW IN THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE RFP AND WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE WANT THAT LANDSCAPE TO LOOK LIKE.

AND SO THAT IS AN OPTION.

DO WE WANT TO DO TRADITIONAL RECYCLING OR DO WE WANT TO GO THE ROUTE OF SENDING EVERYTHING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT AND THEN AND AND WHAT WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS THAT WHATEVER SOLID WASTE GOES TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT, THERE'S A 50% CREDIT FOR THAT, WHETHER IT'S GARBAGE OR RECYCLING.

AND, AND SO, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE WHEN THEY ESTABLISHED THE 75% RECYCLING GOAL THAT TO TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF CAPTURE THAT ELEMENT OF THE RENEWABLE RESOURCES FROM THE SOLID WASTE STREAM.

AND SO IF WE DID THE ROUTE OF GOING EVERYTHING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT AND THERE IS A, THERE IS A RECYCLING CREDIT THAT THAT COMES BACK, UM, THERE IS A THERE'S A LOWER TIPPING FEE AT THIS MOMENT FOR UM.

UH, WAYS TO GO TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

AND THEN IT'S A QUESTION THEN OF LOOKING AT THE NON FINANCIAL SIDE OF OF.

OF RECYCLING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE COSTS AND BENEFITS OF.

OF RECYCLING THE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND.

AND, UH, UM, CURRENTLY.

RIGHT NOW. THE COST OF RECYCLING IS APPROACHING PROHIBITIVE.

MM. UM, YOU YOU SAY THAT IN TAMARAC WE HAVE ABOUT 3000 TONS OF RECYCLABLES.

CORRECT? WE WERE.

WE'RE WE'RE ON PAR THIS YEAR TO BE ABOUT 3100.

WE WERE 3300 LAST YEAR.

SO AND AT OUR, AT OUR PEAK, UM, WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 4000.

SO, SO WE HAVEN'T EVER GENERATED, YOU KNOW, A HUGE AMOUNT OF RECYCLING.

OUR DIVERSION RATE, I THINK, AT THE, AT THE HIGHEST HAS BEEN MAYBE 30%.

SO, UM, SO WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT IN THE AMOUNT OF RECYCLING THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE GENERATING.

IT'S A LITTLE LOWER NOW, BUT, UM, SO, SO THREE, 3000 TON, GIVE OR TAKE.

YEAH. UM, PER WEEK, PER MONTH, PER YEAR.

THAT'S PER YEAR. THAT'S 3000 TONS PER YEAR OUT OF A APPROXIMATELY 21,000 TONS TOTAL SOLID WASTE STREAM.

SO I'M TALKING NUMBERS.

THAT'S ABOUT $486,000.

MM. YEAH.

UM, AND EXPLAIN A 50% CREDIT IF WE DON'T.

SO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SOUNDS DE MINIMIS.

THE IT'S IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO SAY IT'S DE MINIMIS, BUT WHERE OUR BUDGET IS CONCERNED, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO UM, $486,000 PER YEAR TALK ABOUT CREDITS. WOULD WOULD IT BE JUST TAKING 50% CREDIT.

THEY'LL JUST GIVE US. YEAH. AND, AND $243,000.

YEAH. AND THAT AND THAT CREDIT IS SIMPLY MOVING THE COUNTY AND THE STATE TOWARDS THAT 75% GOAL.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT A DIRECT DOLLAR IMPACT OF THAT, OF THAT CREDIT.

I JUST WANTED TO BE TO BE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S THAT IT'S NOT A MATTER OF DO WE RECYCLE OR DO WE BURN THAT THERE IS THAT THERE IS THERE IS THERE IS A BENEFIT TO USING THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT, UM, UH, OF ITS OWN.

AND AGAIN, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE COST IS, IS UH, UH, NEARLY $100 A TON CHEAPER FOR THE PEER PROCESSING FEE.

SO SO SO THEN IT IT'S KIND OF BETTER TO BUNDLE EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND JUST BRING IT TO WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT IT.

IT IS AN OPTION. AND I THINK IT'S AN OPTION THAT WE SHOULD EXPLORE WITH THE NEXT WITH THE NEXT RFP.

AND AGAIN, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT FROM THE PROPOSALS OF WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD THE WHAT WOULD THE COST BE FOR ONE, ONE SINGLE STREAM OF SOLID WASTE AND

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WHAT WOULD BE AND WHAT WOULD BE THE COST FOR, UM, TRADITIONAL RECYCLING AND TRADITIONAL GARBAGE? SO, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF OF RECYCLING.

YOU KNOW, I'M IN A CONFERENCE CENTER.

I SEE TWO PENS, YOU KNOW, PUT, UM, YOU KNOW, A WATER BOTTLE HERE AND PUT WHATEVER IN HERE.

BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO HEALTH CONSCIOUS.

SO MY WATER BOTTLES MAYBE HAVE SHAPED UP, UM, EMERGENCY AND THEN IT'S NO LONGER RECYCLABLE.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I TEACH MY SON, HEY, RECYCLE, RECYCLE.

AND THEN WE HAVE PIZZA NIGHT ON ON FRIDAY.

AND THE PIZZA BOX IS NOT RECYCLING.

IT'S IT'S IT'S CONTAMINATED.

SO. YOU KNOW, WHILE WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT RECYCLING AND WHILE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME RESIDENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, LOVE THE IDEA OF RECYCLING, WE PROBABLY DON'T DO IT.

UM. AT PERFECTION.

AND IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE TRUE RECYCLING, YOU HAVE TO BE PERFECT.

YOU YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BIN FULL OF RECYCLABLES AND THEN PUT A PIZZA BOX INSIDE THERE.

IT CONTEMPLATES THE WHOLE THING.

IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE.

SO WE'RE PAYING MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT IT HAS NO BENEFITS.

UM, AND THEN IF WE JUST PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER, LIKE A LOT OF FAMILIES ARE DOING, THEN WE HAVE A 50% CREDIT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO, SO, SO WITH THAT, I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO JUST PUT PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

UM, BUT BUT CAN WE HAVE HOW HOW COULD THOSE RESIDENTS, THE, THE SMALL AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS WHO WHO LOVE RECYCLING, HOW COULD WE STILL INCLUDE THEM IN, IN ALL OF THIS? LIKE WHAT? WHAT COULD BE A HAPPY MEDIUM TO.

WELL, 111 EXAMPLE.

AND I'M JUST USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, NOT A RECOMMENDATION, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE IS THAT IT WAS UM, UH, PEMBROKE PINES. WAS THE ONE.

LET ME LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.

UM. THAT.

YEAH, ACTUALLY. ACTUALLY, BOTH COCONUT CREEK AND PEMBROKE PINES HAVE, UM, DROP OFF CENTERS.

SO THEY NO LONGER THEY NO LONGER DO A SEPARATE.

COLLECTION OF RECYCLING CURBSIDE.

THEY COLLECT EVERYTHING, SEND IT TO WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

BUT THEY DO HAVE RECYCLING CENTERS.

SO IN THEIR CITY.

SO YEAH. YEAH.

SO THAT'S I'M NOT RUN BY THEIR CITY.

RUN BY THE CITY. SO AND THEN PICKED UP BY I TO BE HONEST I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT'S PICKED UP BY.

IT'S MY GUESS IS THAT IT'S BEING HAULED USE.

IF WE LOOK AT THAT OPTION, WE COULD USE A PORTION OF THE CREDIT THAT WE GET 50% TO FUND THE RECYCLING CENTER.

THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CREDIT.

SO. OH YEAH.

YEAH OR DISTRICT.

YEAH YEAH YEAH THERE'S YEAH THERE'S THERE'S YEAH THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A COST OR REVENUE BASED ON THAT, ON THAT CREDIT.

RIGHT. UM IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE IF THAT'S A ROUTE THAT THE CITY WANTED TO GO, THEN THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ESTABLISH.

PAY FOR AND RUN AND SO SO OR NOT.

OR WE COULD SAY TO WHOEVER IS, UM, IS RESPONDING TO THE RFP, WE COULD SAY TO THAT PERSON, COMPANY, UM, DONATE TO THE CITY'S RECYCLING CENTER OR, OR, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR IT.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

OKAY. UM, YEAH.

I THINK THAT THE A SMALL POPULATION OF OUR CITY, UM, IS INTERESTED IN RECYCLING AND FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY HOUSE, WE WE TALK ABOUT RECYCLING A LOT.

UM, BUT IT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, I KNOW WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING HOPE.

MY SON IS NOT LISTENING.

HE'S JUST. BUT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT REALLY RECYCLING.

IT'S JUST TEACHING, UM, HIM TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M I'M FOR JUST BUNDLING EVERYTHING TOGETHER, AND.

AND BRINGING IT TO CORRECTLY, THEN THAT'S CONSIDERED TRADITIONAL.

THAT'S NOT. NO, NO.

WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WASTED ENERGY AS BUNDLE BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THE TERMS ARE BEING USED INTERCHANGEABLY.

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AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT WE'RE CONSENSUS HERE.

YEAH, YEAH. VICE MAYOR MILTON, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WERE SAYING, YOU WERE SAYING BUNDLE EVERYTHING TO THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.

YES. SO? SO ONE STREAM, TAKE ONE STREAM, TAKE THE RECYCLABLES, TAKE THE TRASH.

TAKE EVERYTHING. PUT IT.

BUT EXPLAIN WASTE TO ENERGY IS IS BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A BENEFIT TO IF IT GOES TO A WASTE TO ENERGY BECAUSE IT TURNS INTO RENEWABLE ENERGY.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

WE HAVE. SO WE'RE STILL SAVING THE PLANET.

YEAH. I MEAN IT'S IT'S IT'S STILL IT'S.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.

IT'S STILL IT STILL IS I MEAN IT'S A RENEWABLE IT'S A RENEWABLE RESOURCE.

AND SO THAT SOLID WASTE THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLANT THAT'S RIGHT OFF OF 595 AND 441.

BASICALLY THAT'S WHERE ALL OF OUR REGULAR MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE IS TAKEN TO.

EVERYTHING IS BURNED, CONVERTED INTO, INTO ELECTRICITY.

AND, AND SO AND IT'S A AND AND IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY CHEAP ELECTRICITY.

SO I THINK I WENT THERE MAYBE LIKE SEVEN YEARS AGO OR SIX YEARS AGO.

UM, IS THAT WHEELABRATOR OR.

YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S YEAH, IT'S, IT'S THE NAME HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT TRADITIONALLY IT'S BEEN REFERRED TO AS WHEELABRATOR.

SO. OKAY. IT'S, UH.

YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH, YEAH.

OH, YEAH. YOU WERE. YOU WERE THERE.

YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER.

ONE QUESTION FOR RESIDENTS WHO STILL WANT TO RECYCLE IS THERE, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL PROBABLY ON THE SAME PAGE.

IS THERE A NONPROFIT OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAN ASSIST THEM, THOSE WHO DO IT WELL AND DO IT PROPERLY? WITH THEM STILL DOING THAT, UM, FORM OF RECYCLING.

THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO USE.

UM, I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS JUST AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER THIS WEEK ABOUT, UM, THAT THE FILM RECYCLING, THERE'S A PARTICULAR NATIONWIDE ORGANIZATION THAT TAKES CARE OF THE FILM RECYCLING.

AND THEY JUST ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THAT'S THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

THAT THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, GROCERY STORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT MATERIAL IS NOT BEING CAPTURED.

UM, SO, SO, SO IT'S A QUALIFIED.

YES. THAT THERE THAT THERE ARE CERTAINLY, UM, ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT, THAT, THAT RECYCLE THERE ARE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY, UM, UM, KEEN TO RECYCLE.

UM, THERE, THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE, UM, TO, TO DO SO AND CERTAINLY ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO.

DO RECYCLING DRIVES AND WHATEVER.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT PRECLUDING PEOPLE FROM RECYCLING.

WE'RE SIMPLY LOOKING AT WHAT SERVICES ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT MAKE THE MOST SENSE? ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THEM AN OPTION BECAUSE I'M LEANING TOWARDS, UM, JUST ONE PICKUP AND DO FOR THE ELECTRICITY.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THOSE BECAUSE I MET ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT REALLY IS INTO RECYCLING, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AN OPTION IS OUT THERE.

YEAH, I CAN. I CAN HEAR THE VOICES.

I CAN HEAR THOSE VOICES. YOU KNOW WHICH VOICES? THEY ARE NOT JUST IN YOUR HEAD.

YEP. I'VE GOTTEN THOSE PHONE CALLS, SO I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY CHOICE, BUT IT'S.

BUT IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. THANKS, MADAM MAYOR.

UH, I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE ONE PICKUP, BUT I ALSO WANT US TO HAVE THE OPTION TO SEE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE STILL RECYCLING.

WE HAVE A, UM, ENVIRONMENT FRIENDLY, TESLA DRIVING, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC AND TAMARAC THAT, UH, CARES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE AN OPTION JUST TO SEE THE PRICING OF THE OPTION AS WELL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I, I HEAR WE HAD ALREADY 4 OR 5 WASTES, BUT I ALSO AGREE.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, GET ALL THE BEST INFORMATION YOU CAN, AND THEN COME BACK TO US WITH WHICHEVER PROGRAM IS GOING TO WORK.

UM, I THINK THAT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO.

CONSCIOUS AND SO GOOD AT IT.

THEY'VE ALREADY FOUND OTHER WAYS TO DO THEIR RECYCLING.

WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN OFFER THEM AN EASIER PATH IS A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT OFFERING THAT EASIER PATH MAY NOT BE THE BEST FINANCIAL ROLE FOR THE CITY.

AND SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO UNFORTUNATELY SAY TO THAT THOSE GUNG HO ONES THAT DO SO WELL AND SO RIGHT, THEY MAY NEED TO CONTINUE DOING THEIR ALTERNATIVE WAY TO DO IT FROM THE CITY PART.

AND. THE OCCASIONAL PART WAS HUGE AND EVEN WITH THE SWAGIT EDUCATION PART.

MHM. YEAH, YEAH.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IS SAYING THE EDUCATIONAL PART, THE EDUCATIONAL PART IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I THINK I SEE SOMETHING IN MY MAIL TODAY, YESTERDAY THAT WOULD BE SATURDAY BECAUSE IT IS MONDAY.

UM. WE NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY REMINDED OF WHAT GOES IN AND WHAT GOES OUT.

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WE ALSO ARE MORE TRANSIENT.

WE HAVE MANY PROPERTIES UP FOR SALE.

NEW PEOPLE MOVING IN WHERE THEY LIVED.

THEY MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE SAME PROGRAM IF THEY DIDN'T MOVE FROM ONE AREA TO TAMARAC TO ANOTHER AREA AND TAMARAC, THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW WE DO IT.

IF THE PROGRAM OR THE PACKET THEY GET FROM THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR CONDO ASSOCIATION HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN EONS, THEY DON'T KNOW.

ALSO, I GET A REMINDER OR A LITTLE NOTICE OF WHEN WE NEED BIGGER GARBAGE CARTS OR RECYCLE BINS.

SOME OF THEM ARE REQUESTS FOR BIGGER, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT.

ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE AMPLE SIZES ON THE CARTS AND THE VARIOUS SIZES IS I MAY BE LIVING IN A LOCATION THAT DOESN'T.

MY HOUSE DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE A 95 GALLON CART.

I MAY HAVE TO STICK WITH A 68 GALLON CART.

SO WE NEED TO KEEP.

SO THAT WASN'T MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT.

KEEPING ALL THAT IN MIND IS PART OF WHAT'S GOING INTO MAKING THIS RFP.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF OF THAT.

UM. THINK YOU GOT YOUR CONSENSUS ON THAT PART.

MHM. NOW WE GET TO TALK COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY PLEADING FOR A BREAK, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN FINISH THIS ONE UP AND THEN WE WILL GO INTO LUNCH.

I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED.

SO I THINK THIS DISCUSSION IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

UM. SO IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER ON RESIDENTIAL AND CONDO MULTIFAMILY, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO COMMERCIAL.

DID YOU FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION TO US? UM, YEAH. THERE'S STILL THERE'S STILL ONE OTHER PIECE HERE THAT'S GOING TO BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE.

IN FACT, WE CAN WE CAN NOT RUSHING.

YOU WANT YOU TO GIVE US YOUR FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION.

SO WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU QUESTIONS THAT IF WE WOULD HAVE JUST WATCHED YOUR PRESENTATION WE'D HAVE THE ANSWER.

SO SO ACTUALLY HERE'S THE OTHER THING.

AND AND UM, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS.

I'LL ASK ALISON IF SHE WANTS TO WEIGH IN HERE WHEN I GET DONE.

SO YEAH, I THINK SHE'S STILL WITH US, SO, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S THE, THE KIND OF THE LAST PIECE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS ESTABLISHING THE VALUATION.

AND PRIMARILY THE NUMBER ONE THING IS LOOKING AT, UM, HOW MUCH WEIGHT WE WANT TO PUT ON THE, ON THE COST PORTION OF IT.

UM, TYPICALLY THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE ABOUT 30% RANGE.

AND THEN UM, AND THEN AND THEN BETWEEN THE OTHER ELEMENTS, THE EXPERIENCE, THE PRIOR PERFORMANCE, THE EQUIPMENT, THOSE WOULD, WOULD BE THEN THE REMAINING, UH, 70, 65% WOULD BE SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE.

SO UM, AND KEITH, IF YOU WANT TO WEIGH ON THAT YOURSELF, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO FOR PRICE, ACTUALLY THE PRICE FORMULA IS PROPOSES PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHAT WE DO.

UM, THAT'S THAT'S THE PRICE MODEL THAT WE NORMALLY USE.

AND THEN AND THEN THIS.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE PRICE PROPOSAL ULTIMATELY WOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS BASED OFF OF A DIFFERENT OF A DIFFERENT RFP.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE RESIDENTIAL, THE COMMERCIAL, ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL WILL HAVE THAT IN THERE AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THAT.

THAT AND, TROY, CAN I JUMP IN HERE? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

SORRY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GOING TO HAND IT OVER OR IF YOU WERE JUST COVERING THE SLIDES.

OR IF I COULD, IF I COULD JUMP IN HERE ON THE THE SLIDE THAT HE'S GOT UP HERE WITH THE COST EVALUATION.

AND THAT DID COME FROM A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.

BUT THERE'S A FEW THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS SLIDE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATION WE WERE JUST HAVING ONE.

YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A SCENARIO A AND A SCENARIO B FOR THIS OTHER COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE USING AS AN EXAMPLE.

SO I WANT TO SORT OF REITERATE WITH THE CONVERSATION WE WERE JUST HAVING THAT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION TO ASK FOR PRICING ON MORE THAN ONE OPTION.

WE DO WANT TO TRY TO KIND OF SUM IT UP WITHIN SCENARIOS, PREFERABLY ONLY TWO SCENARIOS OR MAYBE THREE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT HERE, WHEN WE GO BACK TO, UM, THE CONVERSATION ON THE, THE COMMERCIAL AND THE SERVICES FOR RESIDENTIAL, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, THIS EXAMPLE, THEY ENDED UP GOING WITH 35 POINTS TOTAL OUT OF 100 THAT WAS WEIGHTED TOWARD PRICE. I THINK TROY MENTIONED ON THE SLIDE BEFORE THIS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE WE'VE GOT FOUR DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.

SOME COMMUNITIES JUST DO 25 POINTS PER.

SO IT'S SORT OF EVENLY WEIGHTED TO TO COME UP WITH YOUR 100 POINTS.

SOME COMMUNITIES, LIKE THE EXAMPLE WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT, REALLY DO WANT TO KIND OF WEIGHT PRICE A LITTLE HEAVIER THAN THE NON PRICE ELEMENTS.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO POINT OUT ON THESE TWO SLIDES IS THAT A SELECTION COMMITTEE WOULD BE DOING THE SCORING ON THE NON PRICE ELEMENTS.

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SO THOSE FIRST THREE CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE AND THEN WE WOULD BE THE ONES DOING ALL THE MATH.

THAT ENDED UP WITH THE SCORING THAT YOU SAW ON THAT NEXT SLIDE WHEN IT COMES TO PRICE.

SO THAT WOULD NOT BE UP TO THE SELECTION COMMITTEE.

AS KEITH MENTIONED, THIS IS A VERY COMMON FORMULA IN PROCUREMENT.

IT IS THE MOST OBJECTIVE PART OF IT.

SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO US AS THE CONSULTANT HELPING WITH THIS, TO BASICALLY COME UP WITH THE DO THE MATH FOR THE ANNUAL VALUE OF THE CONTRACT AND THEN USE THIS FORMULA FOR SCORING. OKAY, I'M JUMPING IN BECAUSE I DON'T GET WE HAVE CRITERIA ONE, TWO AND THREE AND FOUR.

MHM. AND THEN YOU GO A B C D.

UM OR IS IT SEPARATE.

RIGHT A B THE A B C D IS UM HOW NUMBER FOUR IS CALCULATED.

OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE FOR THE ASTROS.

I JUST SAW THE ASTROS. OKAY FINE.

UM I'M JUST GOING TO STARE PERSONALLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH THE WAY OUR CITY IS GROWN.

MHM. I THINK NUMBER THREE.

IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL ME YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME THE BEST, LOWEST PRICE.

BUT IF YOU CAN'T DO THE JOB BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD GAME PLAN, YOU'RE PAYING MORE TO HAVE YOU COME BACK OUT.

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE LOWEST PRICE IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST PRICE.

IF YOUR LOWEST PRICE IS NOT MAKING SURE THAT YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR EQUIPMENT.

SO I'M NOT GETTING PHOTOGRAPHS OF SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY OR FRONT OF THEIR STREET CONSTANTLY SAYING YOU LEAKED ALL OVER THE PLACE, OR YOUR TRUCK DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO TURN VERY WELL BECAUSE THERE'S A GOOD TURN RADIUS AND IT'S RUINING MY BOUGAINVILLE'S, YOU KNOW? I. THIS IS 12 YEARS OF FUN THAT HAS BEEN PENT UP IN ME FROM ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS.

SO I WANT TO KNOW THAT THE NEXT FIVE, SEVEN, TEN, 12 YEARS CONTRACT THAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING INTO USING TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM ALL SIDES, NOT JUST SAYING THEY'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR YEARS.

THEY'RE GREAT. THEY'RE GIVING IT OR THEY'RE THEY JUST STARTED AND THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE LOWEST PRICE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PROVE THEMSELVES.

I DON'T REALLY.

IS IMPORTANT, BUT I NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT TO SERVICE OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SMART ABOUT IT.

SO THAT'S MY BEND.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO.

I SEE THE GOMEZ ARE OUT.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING IN IT OR NOT.

UM, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT AT WORKPLACE, BUT WHATEVER.

JUST COME UP.

IT'S FROM PUBLIX. I'M PLAYING, I'M PLAYING.

YOU GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE SENSE OF HUMOR AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS NUMBER TWO.

UM, SO YOU NEEDED FEEDBACK ON THIS.

I'VE GIVEN YOU MY RESPONSE.

I DID GO FIRST FOR ONCE.

I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. IS THAT NEW OR OLD? OKAY, SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO PIPE IN OR YOU'RE ALL LOOKING CONFUSED? YEAH. NO.

THE GUMMIES ARE CONFUSING THE VICE MAYOR.

HE'LL GO FIRST. AND THE BIRTHDAY, I THINK.

WAIT WAIT WAIT. OH, VICE MAYOR IS IN BETWEEN A GUMMY AND GOING NEXT.

HELLO? OKAY.

SO EXPLAIN BRIEFLY AGAIN.

WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

AS FAR AS THE, THE, UM, ALMOST THE, THE, THE ORDER, RANK AND PREFERENCE OF WHAT WE WANT.

UM, EACH OF THESE TO BE MOST IMPORTANT.

DO WE WANT PRICE TO BE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING, AND IF SO, THEN WE WOULD RATE THAT AS LIKE A 35% OF 100 AND THEN DIVVY UP EVERYTHING ELSE.

IF WE WANT COSTS TO BE, UM, LESS OF A OF A OF A FACTOR, THEN WE COULD PUT THAT AT 25.

UM, BUT IT REALLY IS, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF IN WHAT ORDER DO YOU WANT THESE RANKED AS BEING MOST IMPORTANT AND AND I'LL AND I'LL PIGGYBACK OFF OF THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS, UM, BECAUSE I SHARE THOSE IS THAT CRITERIA NUMBER THREE TO ME AS I'M LOOKING AHEAD AT WHAT WE AT EVALUATING FOR THE NEXT FOR THE NEXT CONTRACT TO TO ME THAT NUMBER THREE IS IS FIRST IMPORTANT.

AND COST IS A IS IS A CLOSE SECOND TO THAT.

AND THE AND THE OTHER TWO FOLLOW THOSE.

SO. RIGHT.

BASED ON THAT FORMULA AND OKAY.

SO. WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WASTE SERVICES.

WE'RE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A SERVICE THAT, YOU KNOW, ROOKIES MAY MAY DO. UM.

I MEAN, WHO MIGHT BID ON THIS?

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WASTE MANAGEMENT.

WASTE PRO COASTAL.

UM. UH, UM.

THE RED COMPANY REPUBLIC.

UM, AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

UM. IT'S.

THAT THAT SMALLER COMPANY I FORGOT.

I FORGOT WHAT IT IS.

NO. YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

UM, SO.

ALL OF ALL OF THESE COMPANIES, RIGHT.

I'M SURE CAN PROVIDE.

TOP NOTCH SERVICES BECAUSE.

EVERY CITY THAT WE KNOW USE THESE COMPANIES.

SO. IF WE PUT.

CRITERION THREE AS.

WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT.

LOOKING BACK ON HISTORY AND AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND TAMARAC WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THEY'VE ALREADY LOST.

SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT CREATING A GOOD LEVEL FIELD.

BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE THE PROPER EQUIPMENT AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

THEIR TRUCKS LEAK ON EVERY STREET.

IT'S IT'S. YOU CAN SEE IT.

UM, I STILL HAVE A SCREENSHOT OF OF, UM, ALVIN'S POST ON NEXT DOOR SAYING WASTE MANAGEMENT TRUCKS LEAK.

SO. YEAH.

UM, SO SO I'VE.

I'VE SEEN IT LEAK.

UM. I'VE SEEN THE THE TRUCKS, WHETHER THEY'RE OVERLOADED OR NOT.

PUSHING OUT, UM, TRASH ON THE STREET.

UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE SEEN.

IT'S NOT A SECRET.

UM. SO HERE, I DON'T THINK OPINION NECESSARILY MATTERS.

I THINK, UM, THE RUSSIAN SURVEY MATTERS AND AND WHAT THE SURVEY SAYS IS THAT PRICE IS IMPORTANT.

YOU SAY 10% OF THOSE PEOPLE, 40, 40 PEOPLE OUT OF THE 400 BOTS SAID THAT.

LOOK. YOU KNOW I CAN PAY 10% MORE, BUT 90% OF THE BOT SAID, HEY, I WANT THE PRICE TO, TO BE TO, TO BE LOWER. SO.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT PRICE IS IS IMPORTANT.

UM, I THINK IT'S IS IS, IT'S AS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT AS CRITERION THREE.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE CHOOSING BETWEEN PRICE AND EQUIPMENT.

I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD PUT BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME PERCENTAGE OR WEIGHT.

SO. IF WE WANT TO SAY 30% FOR PRICE, 30% FOR EQUIPMENT, THAT'S 70% OF THE RFP.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE BECAUSE WE CAN'T PUT BOTH ABOVE EACH OTHER.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD.

UM. SO LET'S SAY SORRY, I'M A PREACHER ON SUNDAY, SO YOU HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME.

YEAH. MY VOICE.

SO LET'S. SO PRICE.

SO NUMBER THREE AND FOUR IS EQUIPMENT AND PRICE.

UM, EXPLAIN NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO AND AND HOW YOU WOULD HAVE RANKED THOSE, UM, IN A MATTER OF FOR A MATTER OF IMPORTANCE.

UM, ACTUALLY, I LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE PUT ONE AND TWO BOTH BEHIND THREE AND THREE AND FOUR AND, AND THOSE I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS DOING THOSE THE SAME, THE SAME WEIGHT AS WELL.

UM, AND, AND AGAIN AND THE DIFFERENCE, THE DIFFERENCE SOMETIMES THESE ARE PUT TOGETHER IN ONE GROUP.

UM, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE EXPERIENCED QUALIFICATIONS ON PRIOR PERFORMANCE.

PERSONALLY, I LIKE SEEING THE PRIOR PERFORMANCE AS A AS A SEPARATE ELEMENT OF IT.

UM, AND THEN THAT ALSO KEEPS IT FROM BEING FROM ANY ONE OF THOSE AREAS BEING TOO HEAVILY WEIGHTED.

SO USING WHAT YOU'VE PUT DOWN THERE SO FAR IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION OF DOING 30 AND 30 FOR THREE AND FOUR COULD PRETTY EASILY DO 20 AND 20 FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE FIRST TWO AND HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE QUALIFICATIONS.

UM, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THAT GOES VERY HEAVILY TOWARDS THE UM THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE ON.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO BE THEIR THE MANAGEMENT TEAM OF THAT GROUP.

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AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PRIOR PERFORMANCE IS GOING TO BE, UM, UH, DEMONSTRATING TO US HOW THEY'VE MANAGED CONTRACTS OF SIMILAR SCOPE AND, AND SIZE.

AND AND TELL ME ABOUT, UM.

EXPERIENCE QUALIFICATIONS.

THIS IS NOT SAYING I'M A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY.

UM. EXPLAIN THAT.

GO. GO THROUGH THAT CAREFULLY.

YOU KNOW, SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BLUE LOGO WITH RED OR A GREEN LOGO WITH PURPLE? EXPLAIN NUMBER ONE.

SO, SO KNOW THAT PRIMARILY THE PROPOSAL, EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATION QUALIFICATIONS IS GOING TO BE VERY MUCH THE LEADERSHIP OF THAT ORGANIZATION.

AND, AND, AND THE HISTORY OF THAT ORGANIZATION.

WE DO WE DO TYPICALLY ASK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPANY IS FINANCIALLY SOLVENT.

BUT BUT THAT BUT THAT'S BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE, THE THE END OF IT.

UM, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE WHO'S THE WHO'S THE LEADERSHIP? WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE, FROM A CONTRACT MANAGEMENT POINT OF VIEW, ARE GOING TO BE, ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH AND AND WHAT AND WHAT EXPERIENCE THEY, THEY HAVE, WHAT PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE.

AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT CRITERIA NUMBER TWO CAN BE VERY SPECIFICALLY HOW THEY'VE PERFORMED ON SIMILAR AND SIMILAR CONTRACTS.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THEM WITH THAT NARRATIVE SAYING, WELL, WE'VE SERVICED THIS CITY, THIS CITY, THIS CITY, THIS CITY, AND THIS IS AND THESE ARE THE METRICS THAT WE USE TO SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEN WE'LL AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE AS AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE AND, AND MAKE THAT AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

ON THAT. OKAY.

AND AND WE WOULD NOT PUT A STAFF MEMBER WHO'S SEEN IN A SKYBOX WITH ONE OF THOSE LEADERSHIP PEOPLE ON THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD.

UM, OKAY. SO SO SO SO SO NUMBER THREE, JUST IGNORE SOME OF THE PERIPHERAL COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARY, PLEASE.

UM. IN EUROPE.

YOUR OBJECTION IS NOTED, YOUR HONOR.

OKAY, SO NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR, I WOULD SAY WEIGHTED PROPERLY WEIGHTED THE SAME.

AND NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO WEIGHTED THE SAME.

GOING AFTER NUMBER ONE AND TWO.

SO THAT IS NOTED.

I HAVE.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS COMMISSIONER.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. UM, PERSONALLY, YOU HAVE A PI OF FOUR.

UM, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO 25% OF EACH, UM, LEADERSHIP.

EVERY WORKER SHOULD HAVE THAT.

YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THIS ROOM, LEVANT'S THE CEO OF THIS ORGANIZATION.

BUT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS ALSO THEIR CEO OF THEIR DEPARTMENT.

AND A REFLECTION OF THEIR DEPARTMENT IS A REFLECTION ON THEIR CEO.

SO FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH NUMBER ONE IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT TOP TIER MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, NUMBER THREE HAS PERSONNEL WHICH SHOULD REFLECT THAT LEVEL OF, UH, OF PROFESSIONALISM.

SO FOR ME, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING DIFFERENT OTHER THAN THE COST, UH, CRITERION BECAUSE THE EXPERIENCE, QUALIFICATION, PERFORMANCE FOR SERVICES, EQUIPMENT, PERSONNEL, RESOURCES, THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME TO ME.

MM. SO THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES NOT SOUND THE SAME IS THE COST.

SO FOR ME, I WOULD NOT PUT I PUT MORE EQUALLY.

I'LL WEIGH IT OUT ONE, TWO AND THREE AND GIVE NUMBER FOUR A DIFFERENT WAY ON IT.

UM, YES.

WE DON'T WANT THE CHEAPEST WE WANT.

WE DON'T WANT THE MOST EXPENSIVE ONE.

BUT I'M GOING TO CONCLUDE WITH WHAT I JUST SAID IS ONE, TWO AND THREE.

HE ALSO THE SAME THING.

SO YOU'RE NO LONGER FOR 25% EACH.

YOU'RE NOW FOR WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? I PREFER 25% EACH.

OKAY. I WAS JUST SHARING MY SENTIMENTS.

UNDERSTOOD. BUT I'M.

IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO GET CONSENSUS WHEN WE THROW OUT OTHER THINGS.

AND WE STILL HAVE COMMERCIALS TO TALK ABOUT.

COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. AND THEN COMMISSIONER DANIEL.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. UH, I THINK PRIOR PERFORMANCE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE ANYONE CAN PUT TOGETHER FANCY EQUIPMENT, GOOD PERSONNEL ON PAPER AND EXECUTION PROCESS.

BUT YOUR HISTORY SHOW IF YOU CAN EXECUTE.

SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT.

BUT I THINK THAT'S SIMILAR TO EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS AS WELL.

I THINK WORKING COLLABORATING WITH THE TEAM THAT'S IMPORTANT.

OUR TEAM AND THEIR TEAM, I THINK THAT A LOT OF WEIGHT SHOULD GO IN THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE KNOWING WE CAN FUNCTION AND THE TEAMS CAN GET ALONG, UH, COST.

I MEAN, LIKE THE SURVEY SAID, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR RESIDENTS.

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I THINK THE COST PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE AS WELL.

I'LL, I'LL PUT A LITTLE MORE ON, ON, ON THE COSTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS NUMBER ONE'S CONCERN.

I'LL PERHAPS PUT 5% MORE ON THE COSTS, BUT ALSO PUT A LOT OF WEIGHT ON THE, THE PERSONNEL AND THE PRIOR EXPERIENCE FROM, FROM BEFORE. UM, I THINK EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATION CAN BE LOOPED INTO NUMBER TWO ONE AND TWO CAN KIND OF GO TOGETHER IF WE WANT TO WEIGH IT OUT EQUALLY. I THINK THOSE THOSE CAN GO INTO THE SAME CRITERION.

UM, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL 20.

WAS IT SO, UH.

20. 2020.

THAT'S WHAT 320 IS A 60.

AND THEN I HAVE 40.

OH NO, NOT 44. I WOULD WANT TO PUT LIKE 30 FOR COSTS.

AND THEN WE SPLIT THE REST OF IT.

I PUT WE PUT 30 FOR COSTS, 25 FOR EQUIPMENT.

AND THE REST OF IT IS ONE AND TWO IS SPLIT.

OKAY, SO I'VE GOT 30 FOR COST, WHICH IS NUMBER FOUR.

YEAH, I'VE GOT 25 FOR EQUIPMENT, 25 FOR EQUIPMENT.

THAT'S 55.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ONE AND TWO AT 20.

SO I THINK PRIOR PERFORMANCE WE CAN GO WAS THAT 45.

WE CAN GO 25 AND THEN EXPERIENCE 20.

SO NUMBER TWO IS 25.

SO WE HAVE TWO AND THREE AT 25 COSTS AT 30.

AND EXPERIENCE AT 2020.

YEAH THAT'S 100.

IS THAT HUNTER? YES, IT IS 100.

YES. TESTING MY REMEDIAL MATH AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

I'M ONLY ON ONE CUP OF COFFEE, SO.

OKAY, I HAVE COMMISSIONER RIGHTS.

SAY THAT I HEAR, UM, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS SAYING HE'S OKAY WITH THAT TOO.

UM. COMMISSIONER.

DANIEL. UM, QUESTION.

HOW DO YOU THEY'RE BRINGING TO THE TABLE THE INFORMATION PROVEN TO YOU THAT THEY ARE QUALIFIED FOR THESE CRITERIA, CORRECT? CORRECT. DO YOU, UM, HOW DO YOU JUDGE THAT? WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS TRUE? I MEAN, BASED ON WHAT THE VICE MEN I THINK THE COMMISSIONER LISTED, THERE'S NOT MANY COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT CAN DO THE SCALE OF WORK ANYWAY.

SO BECAUSE YOU SAID BASED ON THEIR LEADERSHIP TEAM, LIKE, HOW ARE YOU JUDGING THAT? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S IT'S IT'S DEALING WITH WITH WITH REFERENCES.

I, I'VE HAD THE, THE THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO SERVE ON THE EVALUATION COMMITTEES FOR THE CITY OF SOUTHWEST RANCHES AND NORTH LAUDERDALE WHEN THEY DID THEIR EVALUATION, THEIR PROPOSALS WITH THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND, AND THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE PROVIDING IN THEIR PROPOSALS IS, IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE.

AND, AND, UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, UM, A DEGREE OF PROFESSIONAL INTEGRITY THAT YOU, THAT YOU RELY ON.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE WINNERS AND LOSERS, LOSERS IN THAT PROCESS, UM, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING THAT I DIDN'T FEEL WAS WAS REFLECTIVE OF THAT COMPANY.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE NATURE OF THIS BEAST.

THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IS ASKING FOR THOSE PROPOSALS AND FOR THOSE PROPOSALS TO BE TO BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.

THE NICE THING WITH THE, WITH THE PAST PERFORMANCE IS THAT TYPICALLY WE'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CONTACT WHATEVER ORGANIZATION THAT WAS THAT THEY THAT THEY WORKED FOR AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAD IS THE SAME AS WHAT THE COMPANY IS.

YEAH. BECAUSE I'M PRESENTING, I'M LOOKING AT THIS.

AND FOR ME, A REGULAR LAYPERSON, I KNOW WASTE MANAGEMENT.

RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO THINK WASTE MANAGEMENT HAS THE BEST EQUIPMENT.

BUT I'VE EXPERIENCED WASTE MANAGEMENT.

AND THERE COMES ANOTHER UM, YEAH.

UM, SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WOULD MAKE THEM JUST BASED ON OUR OWN CRITERIA WHEN I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW COASTAL BECAUSE THEY DO POMPANO.

I'LL ANSWER THAT BY SAYING THAT IN SITTING ON THOSE EVALUATIONS, I SAW SOME REALLY GOOD.

THAT CRITERIA. NUMBER THREE TO ME IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

UM, UM, I'VE, I'VE SEEN SOME REALLY GOOD PRESENTATIONS AS FAR AS AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW COMPANY COMING IN, PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE OVER A NEW CONTRACT? AND EVEN AND EVEN IF WE WERE TO STAY WITH THE EXISTING CONTRACT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TRANSITION FROM FROM ONE TO THE OTHER? SO THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS IS HUGELY IMPORTANT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH A, WITH A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT ON THE SHORTER TIME FRAME OF THIS.

AND SO IT'S I TO ME THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT OF HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COME IN AND START UP THIS, THIS CONTRACT AND, AND, AND THEN TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINTS AND VILLALOBOS THAT THE IDEA OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE HOLDING THAT COMPANY ACCOUNTABLE, THAT THEIR TRUCKS ARE ALWAYS IN SHAPE, THAT THEY'RE BEING WELL MAINTAINED.

THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY THE KIND OF THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING US SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT EVALUATION, YOU KNOW, WHO WHO'S GOING TO WHO'S NOT

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ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH THE EQUIPMENT, BUT WHO'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT AND PROVIDE THE SERVICES GOING FORWARD.

SO I AM WITH THANK THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE I WAS JUST I WAS WONDERING FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE WITH UM.

THE COST BEING MOST IMPORTANT.

AND I HEAR WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS WELL.

NUMBER THREE, I THINK WHAT UM.

COMMISSIONER WRIGHT PROPOSED IT MADE IT THAT WAY WHERE COST IS NUMBER ONE.

AND THEN UM, CRITERIA NUMBER THREE IS TO.

AND THEN THE REST IS THE SAME.

I'M FINE. 2025 FOR NUMBER TWO AND 20 FOR NUMBER ONE.

UM. WHAT WAS CRITERIA NUMBER THREE? 25? UM, YEAH.

AND THIS WAS 25 AND THIS WAS 20.

AND I HAVE A FRIENDLY KIND OF AMENDMENT ON THAT ONE.

OF COURSE. CAN WE DO 35 FOR FOUR OR WE SHOULDN'T I DON'T KNOW, I'M THINKING WE KEEP 30 FOR, FOR 27.5 FOR THREE. OH MY GOD.

YOU KNOW. AND TAKE MAKE THE TWO AND ONE GIVE 20 THE SAME CRITERIA.

YEAH. MAKE ONE AND TWO IN THEM FOR ONE AND TWO VERSUS NO.

WHICH ONE? YOU DO THE MATH.

I'M GOOD WITH THE COST GETTING EVEN MORE RIGHT, KEEPING THE COSTS AT 30.

KEEPING COSTS AT 30, COST AT 30.

UH, THAT WAS WHAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT TO THE THE RESIDENTS.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.

EQUIPMENT AND AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF SHOULD BE SECOND 25.

SO MAKING THAT 27.5 AND THEN SPLITTING THE ONE AND TWO INTO IF YOU'RE, IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO 27.5 HE'S GOING TO DO COSTS WILL GO AT 32.5. YOUR YOUR NUMBER THREE AT 27.5.

AND THE REST TWO IS 22.5 EACH.

BUT HERE'S DOES THAT GIVE YOU 100.

HERE'S HERE'S THE THING PER PERFORMANCE AND EXPERIENCE.

WHEN YOU PUT THOSE TOGETHER IT'S WEIGHTED HIGH.

UM, AND I THINK LIKE BOTH BOTH OF THOSE IS KIND OF IT.

OKAY. GIVE ME A SECOND.

I CAN'T HEAR MYSELF, UM, I THINK NO, I THINK THAT.

I THINK THAT PERFORMANCE AND EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU WEIGHT THEM TOGETHER, IT MAKES IT TOO HIGH BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM IS KIND OF LIKE SAYING THE SAME THING.

AND THEN THIS POINT FIVE THING IS, IS MAKING IT COMPLICATED.

UM, IT'S SO, SO, SO I AGREE WITH I AGREE WITH UM, COMMISSIONER.

RIGHT WITH, WITH HIS, UM, MATH 30% COST, 25% EQUIPMENT, 25% PERFORMANCE, 20% EXPERIENCE.

HOWEVER, JUST TO AMEND THAT, I WOULD I WOULD TAKE 5% OFF OF EXPERIENCE BECAUSE PERFORMANCE.

IS TALKING ABOUT HISTORY, RIGHT? ALREADY. SO? SEW, SEW, SEW EQUALLY SHARING AND COSTS.

BUT I'M SAYING OKAY, BUT I'M SAYING TO TO AMEND THAT.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD DO 35% COST.

NO NO NO NO NO NO. NO, I'M NOT PLAYING WITH YOU.

I'M NOT PLAYING WITH YOUR MATH.

I'M SAYING HERE'S HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH 30, 25, 25 AND 20.

JUST LEAVE IT BECAUSE WE HAD TWO ALREADY.

I'LL BE THE TYING VOTE EVEN THOUGH I REALLY LET ME NO NO NO NO NO I AS MUCH NO NO.

YOU SEE IT'S A WORKSHOP I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WORKSHOPS WE TALK.

THAT'S YOUR THAT WAS YOUR LINE BY THE WAY.

IT IS. SO LET ME FINISH THIS POINT.

FINE. FINISH YOUR POINT AND THEN LET'S BE DONE.

COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER.

RIGHT. SAID 30% COST, 25% EQUIPMENT, 25% PERFORMANCE AND 20% EXPERIENCE.

I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE 5% FROM EXPERIENCE AND ADD IT TO COST.

SO IT WOULD BE 35% COST, 25% EQUIPMENT, 25% PERFORMANCE AND 15% EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT, 15% EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS WHAT DOCTOR DANIELLE IS, IS ALSO SAYING.

AND I'M SAYING TAKE THE 5%, SPLIT IT IN TWO INSTEAD OF 35, 32.5 FOR NUMBER FOUR, 27.5 FOR NUMBER THREE.

AND YEAH, WELL WE CAN WE CAN GO UP AND DOWN A DOLL.

YEAH. YOU KNOW FINE.

MAKE IT SO OKAY.

SO SO LET'S GO 35 FOR COST AND 30 FOR NUMBER THREE.

35 FOR COSTS, 30 FOR NUMBER THREE.

THAT'S 65. NUMBER THREE.

UM, EQUIPMENT. YEAH.

AND PLAN AND COMMUNICATION, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH LANDSCAPING.

THAT'S THAT'S 65.

MM MM. I STILL SPLITTING AND WE HAVE NO WE WE CAN GO THAT'S 65 AND WE HAVE WHAT REMAINING 35 THEN 17.

NO NO NO WE'LL OKAY.

JUST. JUST TO HONE THIS.

YEAH. WHOLE NUMBERS. SO DO WE'LL DO 15 AND 20.

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OKAY. 15 FOR NUMBER ONE AND 20 FOR NUMBER TWO.

I THINK THAT SHOULD TAKE US TO 150.

15 FOR EXPERIENCE.

YEAH. 15 PLUS 20 PLUS I THINK IT'S 30 AND 35.

IS THAT 100. YES.

SO TO CLEAN IT UP IT IS 35 FOR COSTS.

30 FOR EQUIPMENT EQUIPMENT AND EXPERIENCE IMPLEMENTATION NUMBER THREE.

UH IT IS 2020 FOR NUMBER TWO AND IT IS 15 FOR NUMBER ONE.

YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S FAIR.

YEP. EVERYBODY.

YEP. YAY.

THAT'S GOOD. NOW DUE TO WONDERFUL TIME CONSTRAINTS.

MM. HERE'S THE GAME PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PIN IN THIS ONE.

WE'LL COME BACK BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE COMMERCIAL THAT WE REALLY MUST DISCUSS TODAY.

IT IS 1248.

WE ARE TAKING A 12 MINUTE RECESS.

WE WILL COME BACK.

SIT. WE WILL COME BACK AT 1:00.

WE WILL THEN BE MOVING ON TO ONE B THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS OF NOB HILL GOVERNMENT COMPOUND AND CITY HALL PROPERTIES TO EVALUATE NEW CITY HALL MUNICIPAL COMPLEX REDEVELOPMENT.

AT 1:00.

WE WILL FINISH THAT ITEM.

HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES, WE WILL THEN TAKE.

A HALF HOUR BREAK FOR LUNCH, AND OTHER WHATEVERS NEED TO BE DONE WHENEVER THAT'S DONE.

AND THEN AFTER THAT BREAK, WE WILL COME BACK AND FINISH OFF THIS CONVERSATION.

FOR ONE, A SOLID WASTE SERVICES RFP UPDATE.

OKAY, READY? YEP. GREAT. SEE YOU BACK HERE AT ONE.

AND AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.

IF YOU DIDN'T CATCH THAT BECAUSE WE WERE JUST BEING TURNED ON, IT IS 101.

WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. WE HAVE PLAYED WITH THE SCHEDULE.

WE ARE NOW GOING TO ONE BE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS OF NOB HILL GOVERNMENT COMPOUND AND CITY HALL PROPERTIES TO EVALUATE NEW CITY HALL

[1.b Feasibility Analysis of Nob Hill Government Compound and City Hall Properties to evaluate New City Hall/Municipal Complex redevelopment options. Presented by Colliers International: Ken Krasnow, Vice Chair-Institutional Investor Services; Brooke Mosier, Associate Vice President-Public Institutions; Verity Mosquera, Research and Consulting Manager; Bastian Laggerbauer, Vice President-Capital Markets; and Scott Brenner, Executive Vice President-Capital Markets.]

SLASH MUNICIPAL COMPLEX REDEVELOPMENT.

BEING PRESENTED BY COLLIERS INTERNATIONAL.

KEN KRASNOW, VICE CHAIR, INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR SERVICES.

RICK MOSIER, ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT, PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS.

VERITY MASCARA, RESEARCH AND CONSULTING MANAGER.

BASTIAN LAGERBORG.

FORGIVE ME IF I'VE DONE ANY DISSERVICE TO EVERYBODY'S NAMES.

VICE PRESIDENT, CAPITAL MARKETS AND SCOTT BRENNER, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, CAPITAL MARKETS.

HELLO. PLEASE PROCEED.

MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A LONG INTRODUCTION, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M GOING TO.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO TURN IT DIRECTLY OVER TO, UH, UH, KEN.

UH, TO TO TO BEGIN WITH THIS EXCITING CONVERSATION.

GOOD. UH, I WAS GOING TO SAY GOOD MORNING, BUT GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR. COMMISSION.

NO, NO, WE'RE NOT WAITING.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR HAVING US.

AND, UM, WE ARE EXCITED TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY PROPOSAL, UM, AS YOU HAVE IN YOUR IN YOUR BACKUP. UM, I JUST WANT ME.

I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU PLEASE COME IN OR CLOSE THE DOOR? WE HEAR YOU OVER HERE, AND WE'RE ON THE RECORD.

THANK YOU. PLEASE PROCEED.

DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT COMMENT.

GO AHEAD. THE FBI.

YEAH. YOU KNOW.

ANYWAY. I'M SORRY FOR OUR RUDENESS.

PLEASE. IT'S A LITTLE.

THANK YOU. UH, SO AGAIN, MY NAME IS KEN KRASNOW, VICE CHAIR OF COLLIERS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, I HAVE SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, UH, BASTION HAD A PRIOR COMMITMENT.

HAD TO RUN OUT.

UM, IN HIS STEAD, WE HAVE KEN GUYETTE, WHO'S WITH OUR ENGINEERING SERVICES AS WELL, SCOTT BRENNER FROM CAPITAL MARKETS, VERITY MASCARA FROM CONSULTING, AND BROOKE MOSHER FROM PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS.

SO, AGAIN, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, A VERY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.

BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WHAT WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT IS A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

UM, AS YOU NOTE IN YOUR BACKUP, THIS IS, UH, AN EXPLORATORY STUDY THAT WE ARE FIRST REALLY TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE NATURE OF THE OPERATION, THE NATURE OF THIS BUILDING, UM, AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS ARE FOR TAMARAC IN THE FUTURE.

UM, SO IT IS A STUDY.

IT IS A STUDY TO COME BACK TO YOU, UH, WITH, WITH FACTS, WITH FIGURES FROM WHICH YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE, UH.

HERE WE GO. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A BRIEF PRESENTATION, AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.

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WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING STATE, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WORKFORCE ADVISORY SERVICES.

AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY IS TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF THE CITY.

HOW MUCH SPACE EACH OF THESE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, YOUR, YOUR CITY MANAGER AND THE STAFF DO A TREMENDOUS JOB RUNNING THE CITY.

BUT THE WAY THEY OPERATE, THE WAY THEY WORK, HOW THEY WORK, UH, IS VERY DIFFERENT TODAY IN THE POST COVID ENVIRONMENT.

SO THE RESULT OF THIS STUDY WILL BE TO REALLY QUANTIFY HOW MUCH SPACE DOES THE CITY NEED TO PERFORM THE EXCELLENT SERVICES THAT THEY DO. UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE DOING COMPARABLE, UH, PROJECTS, UH, AROUND SOUTH FLORIDA, AROUND THE STATE.

I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR TEAM AND OUR ENGAGEMENT STRUCTURE AND THEN NEXT STEPS.

AND AGAIN, UH, PLEASE, AS I KNOW YOU WILL, UH, INTERRUPT ME.

QUESTIONS? NO.

NO INTERRUPTIONS.

DO YOU PLEASE FEEL FREE? NO, BECAUSE WE NEVER GET THROUGH IT.

I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT RECYCLING THIS MORNING, SO I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD GIVE BACK A LITTLE BIT.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PROGRAM.

STOP. YOU WERE GOING THROUGH YOUR WHOLE PRESENTATION, AND WE'LL ASK PLENTY OF QUESTIONS.

DON'T YOU WORRY. OKAY. SO, UM, AGAIN, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY HERE, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS PERFORMING A STUDY, A STUDY THAT WILL DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT THE CITY NEEDS AND EFFECTIVELY, WHERE IT IS BEST SITUATED.

WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING CITY HALL COMPLEX.

WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE DEEP DIVE OF THIS BUILDING.

IT'S IT'S SORT OF LIKE FULL, YOU KNOW, LIKE USEFUL LIFE AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE EFFICIENT AND FUNCTIONING FOR THE CITY FOR THE NEXT TEN, 20, 50 YEARS.

UM, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR CURRENT, WHAT WE CALL THE NOB HILL GOVERNMENT CAMPUS, WHICH IS THE POTENTIAL SITE OF A FUTURE TAMARAC MUNICIPAL CAMPUS.

AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS GOING IS IS THEORETICAL IN NATURE.

IT'S GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH COSTS, WITH OPTIONS, WITH THE FEASIBILITY.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE DECISION WILL BE FROM YOU IN TERMS OF WHICH DIRECTION TO GO.

BUT THE CONCEPT OF AND YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING IN THIS, LET'S CALL IT THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX IS A TRUE BALANCE OF RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL, CIVIC, COMMUNITY SPACE, UH, GOVERNMENT, A TRUE KIND OF CITY CENTER.

AND I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE BEEN, UH, ON, ON A, ON A, ON A CALL IT A FIELD TRIP WHERE YOU'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE EXPLORED, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TYPE OF, OF, UH, OF STRATEGIES AND HOW THAT CAN BE EFFECTIVE.

AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO EMBARK ON SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE, WE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT COULD BE MADE OF THIS SITE.

AND AGAIN, I KEEP EMPHASIZING HOW THE COULD BE, WOULD BE, UH, MIGHT BE ARE ALL SORT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING.

AND THEN THE INFORMATION THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU, UH, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE STUDY.

UM, SO JUST AGAIN, TO REITERATE EVERYBODY AND GIVE EVERYBODY SOME PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE STUDYING AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT. SO THE EXISTING CITY HALL PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE SITTING NOW, APPROXIMATELY 14 THREE QUARTERS ACRES, WHICH CURRENTLY HOUSES THE CITY HALL AND THE, UH, THE SHERIFF'S UH, FACILITY.

SO THAT IS PART, AGAIN, PART OF OUR STUDY.

UH, KEN AND HIS TEAM, WE HAVE, UH, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS ON STAFF THAT WILL GO THROUGH THIS BUILDING AND REALLY UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, AS I SAID, ITS USEFUL LIFE, HOW IT'S OPERATING EFFICIENTLY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE OPERATING EFFICIENTLY INTO THE FUTURE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS AND FOR DECADES TO COME.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THE 27 ACRE SITE THAT YOU OWN OVER ON NOB HILL.

UM, AND AGAIN, HOW THAT SITE POTENTIALLY COULD BE BETTER UTILIZED FOR, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, A TRUE KIND OF, UH, CITY CENTER THAT WOULD INCORPORATE, UH, CITY USES, UM, POTENTIAL OTHER, YOU KNOW, MIX OF USES, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S OBVIOUSLY A SITE THAT IS NOT BEING UTILIZED TO ITS FULLEST CAPACITY.

UM, JUST AGAIN, TO GIVE THE PUBLIC OR ANYBODY A PERSPECTIVE OF TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICTS AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE, UH, WHERE THE

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CURRENT SITES ARE, ARE SITTING.

SO THE FUTURE, UH, TAMARAC MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, UH, IN DISTRICT TWO, CURRENT CITY HALL, UH, SITE THAT WE'RE SITTING IN NOW, UH, IN, IN DISTRICT THREE.

UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE ROADMAP OF WHAT WE WILL BE DOING.

AS I MENTIONED, THE FIRST PHASE IS A DEEP DIVE INTO DUE DILIGENCE AND STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT.

SO AGAIN, THAT IS REALLY DOING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS BUILDING HOW IT FUNCTIONS.

UM, AND ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE NOB HILL CAMPUS AND HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE, UH, UTILIZED, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE GIVING YOU A MULTITUDE OF OPTIONS IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, EVERYTHING FROM RENOVATING BUILDINGS TO, UH, REPLACING BUILDINGS AND THE FULL GAMUT THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT, UH, PHASE ONE, WHICH IS THE DUE DILIGENCE, STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT.

THE NEXT PHASE, AS I MENTIONED, IS REALLY TO DO A DEEP DIVE WITH REGARDS TO YOUR CITY STAFF AND ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY WORK TODAY, HOW, UH, COVID AND WORKPLACE HAS, HAS EVOLVED, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WORK INTO THE FUTURE, THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE STAFFING NEEDS.

AND SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, DOES THIS BUILDING PHYSICALLY, UH, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT, ETC., MEET THE NEEDS OF YOUR CITY STAFF TODAY AND INTO THE FUTURE? AND THEN WE WILL OBVIOUSLY, UM, AS A VERY KIND OF TRANSPARENT AND ENGAGED PROCESS, BRING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, UH, TO THESE KIND OF WORKSHOPS SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AGAIN WHAT OUR STUDY SHOWS, BUT NOT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS PER SE, BUT JUST WHAT THE FACTS ARE, ARE, ARE BEARING.

AND THEN BASED ON ALL OF THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR DECISION POTENTIALLY PHASE FOUR, UH, WOULD BE TO ENGAGE THE MARKET EITHER IN CONTRACTORS THAT ARE GOING TO DO THE RENOVATION POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS THAT ARE GOING TO DO SOME OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AND, AND EFFECTIVELY EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.

SO THIS IS A PRETTY, UH, UH, COMPREHENSIVE SET OF FACTS AND FIGURES THAT WE WILL ULTIMATELY BRING BACK TO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND WORKSHOPS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT, AND THEN ULTIMATELY GET YOUR, UH, YOUR ULTIMATE DECISION.

UM, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I'VE TOUCHED ON BRIEFLY, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN, IS THE ONE OF THE RESULTS OF THIS STUDY IS REALLY GOING TO BE UNDERSTANDING, UM, HOW HOW FROM A SIMPLISTIC BUT HOW BIG IS CITY HALL IS HOW MANY, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET DOES CITY HALL TODAY AND INTO THE FUTURE NEED TO PERFORM THE SERVICES? UH, THAT YOUR YOU KNOW THAT YOUR RESIDENTS HAVE COME TO EXPECT AND DESERVE? UM, AGAIN, MOST COMPANIES NOW ARE LOOKING AT INTEGRATING THIS AND BALANCING THIS HYBRID WORK ENVIRONMENT.

NOT EVERYBODY IS COMING IN TO THE OFFICE FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

CERTAIN SERVICES OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW ARE ARE MUCH BETTER DONE IN PERSON.

SOME ARE DONE QUITE EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, OVER THE INTERNET AND VIA ZOOM.

ALL OF THAT ULTIMATELY RESULTS IN HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU NEED TO DO YOUR JOB TODAY AND INTO THE FUTURE? UM, I HEARD THIS IN THE IN THE IN THE TRASH PRESENTATION THAT THERE'S NO ONE SIZE THAT FITS ALL.

THERE'S NO ONE SIZE SOLUTION.

TAMARAC IS DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU.

THE WAY YOU OPERATE, THE WAY LEVENT RUNS.

HIS TEAM IS DIFFERENT THAN EVERY OTHER CITY AND EVERY OTHER ORGANIZATION, BUT IT'S UNIQUE TO TAMARAC, AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS SO THAT WE CAN LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND DETERMINE WHETHER THIS BUILDING IS TOO BIG, TOO SMALL, JUST THE RIGHT SIZE OR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.

UM, ALL OF THESE FACTORS.

SECURITY. I HEARD ABOUT YOUR, UH, NISHA TALKED ABOUT CYBER SECURITY, PHYSICAL SECURITY, UM, HOW THE PUBLIC INTERACTS WITH YOU, ALL OF THESE TECHNOLOGY, HOW YOU INTEGRATE TECHNOLOGY INTO INTO YOUR BUILDINGS, ALL OF THESE FACTORS ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE STUDY AGAIN, THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU, AND THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PROCESS IT AND AND MAKE DETERMINATIONS.

AGAIN. THIS GIVES YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, AS I SAID, WORKSHOPS, INSPIRATION TOURS, WHICH AGAIN I ASSUME SOME OF YOU HAVE HAVE

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ALREADY, UH, EMBARKED ON.

SO KUDOS TO YOU FOR THAT.

UM, UH, EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE SURVEYS NOT WITH RUSSIAN BOTS, BUT WITH ACTUAL EMPLOYEES.

WILL, WILL WILL WILL ACTUALLY WORK WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY NEED.

AND IN THEIR WORKPLACE, UH, WHAT MAKES THEM HAPPY? WHAT MAKES THEM. PRODUCTIVE.

AND THEN WE WILL OBVIOUSLY INCORPORATE ALL OF THAT INTO TEST FITS AND, AND, AND PROGRAMS THAT LAY OUT FACTS AND FIGURES AND COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF EACH OF THESE, UH, SCENARIOS.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, MANY, MANY MUNICIPALITIES ARE UNDERTAKING SIMILAR, UH, TYPE.

UH, EXERCISES.

SOME OF HAVE ALREADY EXECUTED AND SOME ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING THROUGH.

THIS JUST GIVES YOU A REPRESENTATIVE, YOU KNOW, SAMPLE.

SOME OF THEM ARE IN YOUR BACKYARD.

UM, SOME OF THEM ARE THROUGHOUT SOUTH FLORIDA.

AND AS YOU'LL SEE, SOME OF THEM ARE ALL OVER.

THIS IS REALLY PRIMARILY CONCENTRATED, UH, IN, IN SOUTH FLORIDA AND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SUNRISE, UH, WITH A WITH A NEW CITY HALL FACILITY.

MIRAMAR'S GOT THIS, YOU KNOW, TREMENDOUS, UH, TOWN CENTER COMPLEX, BOYNTON BEACH, UH, SOUTH MIAMI, ALL OF THESE CITIES, UM, CORAL SPRINGS, RIGHT DOWN THE BLOCK.

UH, PALM BEACH COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH AN EXERCISE AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT A 25 ACRE SITE THAT THEY OWN AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE APPROXIMATELY 225,000FT² AND THEN POTENTIALLY DEVELOP A PORTION OF THEIR CAMPUS TO RECOUP SOME OF THOSE, UH, EXPENSES, UH, CITY OF LARGO, SOME THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE A CITY USED THAT AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DRIVER.

THEY RELOCATED THEIR NEW CITY HALL INTO A DOWNTOWN THAT THEY WANTED TO CREATE.

UM, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM.

UH, THEY HAVE 20,000FT OF RETAIL THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THEIR CITY HALL, AMPHITHEATER, OPEN SPACE, UM, ETC..

UH, AND THEN OTHER PARTS OF, OF, OF THE STATE AND FROM DUNEDIN TO BRADENTON, UH, YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF THE PROJECT IN OAKLAND PARK.

SO OAKLAND PARK SOLD, UH, THEIR EXISTING CITY HALL SITE.

THEY'RE MOVING INTO A NEW BUILDING THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED, QUOTE UNQUOTE, ACROSS THE TRACKS.

AND, UH, WE JUST WORKED WITH THEM TO REDEVELOP THE OLD, UH, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL SITE.

SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EXAMPLES AND A LOT OF DATA ON VARIOUS PROJECTS.

ALL OF THIS WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE STUDY WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU, SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE A TRUE COMPARISON OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, SPENDING, UH, ETC.

BUT AS I SAID, THIS IS GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY GEARED TOWARDS TAMARAC HOW WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE, HOW YOU OPERATE, HOW YOU DO YOUR BUSINESS.

UM, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, THIS WAS THE, THE, THE FIELD TRIP, I THINK, IN ALPHARETTA, GEORGIA, THAT, UH, SEVERAL OF OF, OF THE COMMISSION I KNOW, UH, PARTICIPATED IN IT'S A COMPARABLE TO 26 ACRE SITE.

UM, THAT AGAIN, THE CITY HAS REALLY CREATED WHAT WHAT I THINK ANYBODY HAS BEEN THERE WOULD UNDERSTAND IS A IS A TRUE, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE, CITY CENTER, A MIX OF PUBLIC, UM, PRIVATE, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, UH, RESIDENTIAL, ETC.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS A LONG ROAD TO GET THERE.

UM, AND I'M SURE IF YOU WERE THERE, YOU HEARD SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT THERE'S MANY WAYS TO GET FROM WHERE THEY STARTED IN IN 2011 TO, YOU KNOW, 2023, A COMBINATION OF PUBLIC, PRIVATE, UM, AND, AND MARKET RATE, YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS WERE ALL EMPLOYED THERE.

UM, AND THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE AGAIN.

RIGHT. BROWARD COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH A SIMILAR STATE, UH, CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE IS IS LOOKING AT NEW CITY HALL AS WE SPEAK, UM, MARGATE, BOCA DEERFIELD BEACH ALL OVER THE SOUTH FLORIDA.

POMPANO. EXACTLY.

SCOTT, UH, WAS VERY INVOLVED IN, IN, UH, IN THE POMPANO, SO.

THEY'RE DOING IT NOT BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE TIME THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, SPEND MONEY.

A LOT OF THESE MUNICIPALITIES, SIMILAR TO TAMARAC, ARE LIVING IN OUTDATED.

UNDER UTILIZED UNDER RESOURCED TYPE FACILITIES.

UM, YOU'RE ALSO IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, LEVENT IN HIS TEAM OR TRYING TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST, UH,

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EMPLOYEES TO, UH, TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

UM, SO THE THE WAY THEY WORK, WHERE THEY WORK, HOW THEY WORK, UM, IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

AND AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW YOUR GOVERNMENT IS PROVIDING SERVICES TO YOUR CITIZENS SHOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE EFFECTIVE.

AND RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PLACES, PROVIDING MULTIPLE SERVICES TO CITIZENS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

UM, SO THE POINT OF SHOWING YOU SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES IS TO SAY THIS IS NOT AN EXERCISE THAT YOU ARE TAKING KIND OF IN A VACUUM AND IN ISOLATION.

UM, MOST OF YOUR, YOUR SORT OF FELLOW CITIES AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA ARE DOING, UH, A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS, ALL DOING IT IN THEIR OWN WAY AND SHAPE AND FORM.

UM, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO TODAY, IS REALLY START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A VERY LONG ROAD.

BUT POTENTIALLY WE NEED TO START WITH THE FACTS.

UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT, UH, THE STUDY IS GOING TO BRING BACK TO YOU.

SO WHERE WE SIT HERE TODAY, OBVIOUSLY, AS I SAID, UM, THE THE PROPOSED SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE KNOW PROVIDES SOME CHALLENGES.

SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE NOT QUITE IN THE RIGHT, UH, IDEAL LOCATION.

UM, BUT AND OUR DATA, WHEN WE FINISH THE STUDY WILL SHOW YOU THAT A LOT OF YOUR CITIZENS ARE ALREADY SPENDING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME VISITING THAT COMPLEX FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF, OF SERVICES.

SO WHEN WE BRING TO YOU THE DATA, UM, THAT WILL HELP TO, UH, QUELL MAYBE SOME OF THE MISPERCEPTIONS ABOUT LOCATION AND SERVICES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, AND SO RIGHT NOW, MULTIPLE CITY SERVICES ARE BEING PERFORMED IN DIFFERENT CITY FACILITIES.

IT'S NOT EFFICIENT FOR YOUR RESIDENTS.

IT'S CERTAINLY NOT EFFICIENT FOR YOUR STAFF.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE, UM, YOUR YOU'RE QUICKLY APPROACHING A SITUATION WITH THIS BUILDING, UM, UH, OBSOLESCENCE, END OF USEFUL LIFE, UH, CODE COMPLIANCES, ETC., UH, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

AGAIN, A NUMBER FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WAS ESTIMATED TO BE 3 TO $4 MILLION.

WE WILL VERIFY THAT.

WE WILL VALIDATE THAT.

WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH REAL NUMBERS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PUT THIS BUILDING IN THE SHAPE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE IN FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, YEARS OR DECADES TO COME.

UM, AND THEN WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE HAVE HAVE REALIZED AS PART OF THIS, UM, IS MAXIMIZING CITY OWNED ASSETS.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE TAX REVENUE, THE JOBS, ETC., THAT IS BEING ABLE TO BE GENERATED FROM UTILIZING CERTAIN CITY ASSETS THAT ARE MAYBE NOT UTILIZED, UH, AS EFFICIENTLY AS THEY ARE TODAY.

SO WE WILL GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S CALL IT THAT OPPORTUNITY COST WOULD BE.

SO THESE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT.

SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIGHT SIZE AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MOST OF THE STUDIES WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THERE'S SOMEWHERE AROUND A 20 TO 30% REDUCTION IN SPACE.

ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT COMPANIES NEED BY BEING MORE EFFICIENT AND UTILIZING SPACE IN A MORE SORT OF MODERN MANNER.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, NOT ONLY FOR THIS FACILITY, BUT ALSO HOW YOU'RE CERTAIN YOUR PROJECTS.

I KNOW MISS CALLOWAY HAS TALKED ABOUT, UH, MOBILITY AND AN OVERLAY DISTRICT AND CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, TAMARAC VILLAGE AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

UM, SO PART OF THIS PLANNING EXERCISE WILL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE LONG TERME OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IMPROVED CITIZEN SERVICE, A ONE STOP SHOP.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES, APPROPRIATE LEVELS OF SECURITY, CYBER AND PHYSICAL.

I MENTIONED BEFORE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AS YOU GO FORWARD TO KEEP THE BEST, UH, WORKFORCE EFFICIENCY REDUCTION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE PROVIDING CLEANING AND OTHER SERVICES IN MULTIPLE FACILITIES, PRODUCTIVITY GAINS WHEN MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND ARE COLLABORATING.

UH, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE TALK ABOUT COST.

SO THESE WILL BE SOME OF THE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE WILL, UH, LAY OUT FOR YOU.

BUT ULTIMATELY, THE GOAL, AH, IS FOR TAMARAC TO BUILD FACILITIES THAT ACCURATELY REFLECT TAMARAC AS THE BEST PLACE TO

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WORK, LIVE, PLAY, UH, AND INVEST.

UM, THIS IS, AGAIN, KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL, UH, PROGRAM IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT GOVERNMENT CAMPUS COULD LOOK LIKE.

AGAIN, THINK OF IT AS A KIND OF A CITY CENTER KIND OF CAMPUS.

UM, YOUR DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE GROUPED TOGETHER ACCORDING TO HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER, HOW THEY INTERACT WITH THE CITIZENRY, SECURITY, ETC..

AGAIN, THIS KIND OF THE ONE STOP SHOP, UH, SOLUTION SO THAT YOUR, UH, YOUR CITIZENS WOULD, WOULD HAVE A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO DEAL WITH THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL OF YOUR EMPLOYEES TO BE COLLABORATING AND COMMUNICATING.

UM, AND THEN EFFICIENCIES AGAIN, MOST, UH, STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT WHEN YOU UNDERTAKE A STUDY LIKE THIS, UH, COST SAVINGS, SQUARE FOOTAGE SAVINGS, REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU NEED IS INEVITABLE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING IN BUILDINGS THAT WEREN'T BUILT FOR THE WAY THEY'RE WORKING, UH, TODAY.

WHAT WE WILL.

THIS IS REALLY JUST A BROAD BRUSH, BUT WHAT WE WILL BRING BACK TO YOU AND THERE'S A TBD THERE FOR A REASON IS, UM, BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT COST AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

BUT THIS IS HOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE ROADMAP.

WE WILL LOOK AT WHAT A COST OF A NEW CITY HALL BUILDING WOULD BE.

FIRST, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT FIGURE OUT HOW BIG A NEW CITY HALL BUILDING SHOULD BE.

SO THAT'S AGAIN PART OF THE STUDY.

SO WE COME UP WITH SOME COST ESTIMATES LOW IN THE HIGH SIDE.

THEN WE LOOK AT REVENUE THAT COULD BE GENERATED FROM SOME DEVELOPMENT.

OTHER ON WHETHER ON NOB HILL OR WHETHER ON THE CITY HALL SITE.

WE ALSO THEN LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

SO WE PUT ALL OF THAT TOGETHER AND THEN POTENTIAL.

THERE'S EITHER A GAP OR THERE'S A, THERE'S A SURPLUS.

DEPENDING ON WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD A FACILITY OR WHAT YOU COULD GENERATE FROM ECONOMIC IMPACT, POTENTIAL SALE, ETC..

AND SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE, AGAIN, VERY CLEARLY ARTICULATED TO YOU SO THAT YOU COULD THEN FIGURE OUT IF THERE IS A GAP, HOW YOU ADDRESS IT VIA PUBLIC, BY A PRIVATE.

THERE'S MANY WAYS TO DO IT.

OR YOU DECIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOO BIG OF A GAP.

AND WE GO WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH PLAN A, BUT ULTIMATELY, THESE ARE THE KIND OF FACTS AND FIGURES THAT WE BRING TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE EVOLUTION OF PUBLIC OF GOVERNMENT FACILITIES IS TAKING PLACE ALL AROUND YOU.

AS I SAID, IN YOUR BACKYARD ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA, UM, SOME OF THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS TO TAMARAC BY LOOKING AT THIS OPTION, POTENTIALLY AN EXPANSION OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX BASE, UM, DOWNTOWN ACTIVATION, MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, A TRUE SENSE OF PLACE. YOU SAW THAT, UH, IF YOU WERE IN, YOU KNOW, UH, ALPHARETTA ENHANCED PROPERTY VALUES, MORE AMENITIES, UM, ENHANCED QUALITY OF LIFE.

AGAIN, THOUGHTFUL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, NEW JOBS, NEW BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE CREATED HERE.

UM, I'VE MENTIONED AMENITIES FOR BOTH TOURISTS AND, AND RESIDENTS ALIKE.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A KIND OF A, AN ABILITY FOR YOU TO SET A LONG TERME ROADMAP FOR, UM, UH, A VIBRANCY AND IDENTITY, INCLUSION OF VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, GROUPS WITHIN YOUR CITY.

RESILIENCY. AGAIN, ANOTHER AREA THAT I KNOW IS IS IMPORTANT FOR YOUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES.

BUT ALL OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, UM, IN CONTEXT WITH REGARDS TO, UH, THE FACILITIES AND THE PROPERTY THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.

SO, UM, I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN ME HERE BEFORE, BUT, UH, PART OF OUR TEAM AGAIN, UH, SCOTT IS BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 30, 40 YEARS, VERY EXPERIENCED IN CAPITAL MARKETS AND IN PUBLIC SECTOR.

I THINK, ACTUALLY, UH, RAN FOR STATE SENATE BACK IN THE DAY.

UM, SO VERY INVOLVED IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

UH, VERY, UH, WHO WILL HELP US WITH COMES FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORLD.

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UM, SO WILL ALL OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, EVALUATING VERDI AND HER TEAM, UH, IN THE RESEARCH AND CONSULTING GROUP.

UM, AND THEN KEN IN THE BACK, VERY CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSANDS NATIONWIDE, UH, ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, ETC., THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS BUILDING, PEEL BACK THE LAYERS AND REALLY HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO KEEP THIS BUILDING RUNNING AND OPERATING EFFICIENTLY OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, YEARS AND DECADES TO COME.

UM, SO IT'S A DEEP TEAM.

THAT'S THAT'S BEHIND ME.

OH, AND, BROOKE, I'M SORRY, WITH PUBLIC, UH, SECTOR YOU, BROOKE, YOU'VE MET, I KNOW BEFORE, UM, AND HAS WORKED ON A COUPLE OF, UH, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS FOR TAMARAC. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY.

UM, THE WAY THAT WE'RE STRUCTURED, AGAIN, THIS IS A STUDY.

NO DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE TODAY OTHER THAN, UH, TO ENGAGE US WITH WHAT, UH, AS WE'VE LAID OUT HERE IS EFFECTIVELY A SIX MONTH, UH, ADVISORY STUDY THAT WE WILL BRING BACK ALL OF THE INFORMATION FOR YOU.

UM, UH, OUR FEE THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS IN A IS AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 79,500.

UM, AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THAT STUDY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE JUST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FACTS AND FIGURES AT YOUR DISPOSAL.

YOU COULD DECIDE TO DO NOTHING.

YOU COULD DECIDE TO DO A, B, C, OR D, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MULTITUDE OF OPTIONS AND A AND A AND A PLETHORA OF DATA AT YOUR DISPOSAL, FROM WHICH YOU'RE THEN BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR CITIZENRY AND EACH OTHER TO DECIDE ON WHAT PATH YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE.

SO, UH, IF WE WERE TO, UH, ENGAGE IN THIS STUDY, UH, THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO FINALIZE THE SPACE PROGRAM AGAIN, UNDERSTAND WHETHER THE NEW CITY HALL SHOULD BE 50,000FT OR 150,000FT².

WE NEED TO REALLY DIVE INTO THE DEPARTMENTS AND REALLY MAKE THAT UNDERSTAND.

THEN WE WILL FINALIZE THE COST, UH, OF BUILDING A BUILDING, BUDGETS, ETC..

UM, THE OPTIONS FOR, UH, ALL OF THE VARIETY OF USES THAT COULD BE DONE ON EITHER OF THE SITES, UM, AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU AND PRESENT THOSE, UH, OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WITH THAT, UM, I WILL.

AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

UM, WE THINK THIS IS AN EXCITING TIME FOR THE CITY TO, UH, EXPLORE THE FUTURE AGAIN, NOT COMMITMENT TO ANY DECISIONS.

UM, BUT REALLY TO GIVE YOU A LOT OF FACTS AND FIGURES FROM WHICH YOU CAN THEN DECIDE WHAT ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD LIKE TO TRAVEL OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, FEW YEARS. EXCELLENT.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH THANK YOU KEN.

UH. WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.

UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

THIS IS OFF TOPIC, BUT IN TOPIC.

WHAT DO YOU SEE THE INTEREST RATES AT IN 2025? UH, AS FAR AS COST OF BUILDING AND.

ALL THAT POSITIVELY.

NEGATIVELY. EITHER OR I'LL TAKE AND I DON'T.

I THINK GENERALLY WE'RE EXPECTING THAT IN IN INTEREST RATES.

AND WE'VE PROBABLY HIT OUR PEAK.

AND THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME, SOME RELIEF.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE COST WHERE WE WERE WHEN, YOU KNOW, MONEY WAS FREE.

UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE MOVING INTO A MARKET THAT'LL, THAT'LL STABILIZE.

AND THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME RELIEF, I THINK, OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 18, 24 MONTHS.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, THEN I'LL GO.

UM, AS SOME KNOW, I'VE BEEN KIND OF ASKING FOR THIS SINCE 2018, 2019, THAT THIS CITY HALL, AS MUCH AS IT IS ITS END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.

AND THEN ACTUALLY, AS I WENT TO A MEETING THIS MORNING, I SEE EVEN MORE PADS DOWN, TRYING TO ABSORB THE WATER THAT COMES THROUGH AND MORE RUST AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND IT COMES DOWN TO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD TO DO WITH COLONY WEST.

DO YOU REBUILD OR DO YOU JUST KEEP PUTTING MORE GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD? AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE CODES THAT WIND UP SAYING, YOU NEED TO FIX THIS, TO FIX THIS, TO MAKE IT SAFE AND SECURE.

AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SOMETIME LAST WEEK.

AS I'M GOING IN, I SEE A RESIDENT LOVELY LADY WHO'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE SHE'S GONE HERE TO CITY HALL AND HAS TO GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

IT'S VERY UNORGANIZED FOR HER.

IT TAKES A LOT FOR HER TO GET AROUND.

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DOESN'T MATTER. THE AGE IS STILL FRUSTRATING FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE SERVICES BEING UNDER ONE ROOF IF POSSIBLE.

OBVIOUSLY WE WILL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AT OUR FINGERTIPS AND WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

UM, ONE THING I NOTICED FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

BSO IS INCLUDED.

FIRE STATION 41 IS NOT.

NOW. I DON'T THINK FIRE STATION 41 NEEDS TO.

MOVE. BUT THAT POOR BABY NEEDS SOME HELP.

SO IS THERE ANY KIND OF.

PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING THIS THAT WILL INCLUDE REDEVELOPMENT, RESTRUCTURING, KNOCKING THAT BABY DOWN AND START IT ALL OVER AGAIN.

SHE NEEDS SHE SHE'S BEEN HERE A WHILE.

THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT WE CAN DO WITH.

BECAUSE BUILDINGS AND CARS ARE CHEESE.

BOATS ARE CHEESE.

THEY ARE. SHE'S JUST DEAL WITH IT.

I GAVE YOU MISTER PINKY, I DID, I GAVE YOU MISTER PINKY THE FLAMINGO ON, UM, YOU KNOW, PINE ISLAND AND, YOU KNOW, BY EDEN WEST.

BUT THE BUILDINGS ARE A SHEET.

SO DO YOU WANT TO REALLY BE TOLD THAT HE NEEDS SOME HELP? NO, YOU WOULDN'T LIKE THAT EITHER.

SO ANYWAY, BASICALLY, FIRE STATION 41 NEEDS SOME HELP.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN BUDGETING, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO INCORPORATE LOOKING AT 41 AS WELL? IT'S PART OF OUR MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THAT OUT.

MR. MANAGER, UM, STATION 41 IS NOT PART OF THIS, UH, SCOPE OF WORK THAT, UH, IT IS IT IS PART OF OUR FUTURE CIP PROGRAM. IT'S NOT NEAR FUTURE, BUT IT'S IN THE CIP PROGRAM.

WHEN YOU SAY NOT NEAR FUTURE, DOES THAT MEAN A DECADE AWAY? DOES IT MEAN WHAT DOES IT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT NONE OF US WILL BE EVEN HERE ON THEIR THIRD TIME AROUND, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO. BASICALLY, OUR CIP PROGRAM IS OR OUR FUNDED CIP PROGRAM IS THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

SO EVERYTHING BEYOND THAT IS NOT FUNDED.

SO THEREFORE FOR ME IT'S FUTURE CIP.

SO NICELY SAID.

HOW QUICKLY IT CAN COME BACK TO A FUNDED STATE IS UP TO THE COMMISSION.

AND UM, SO MY ASK IS IS THERE A WAY TO INCORPORATE AS A POSSIBILITY? FIRE STATION 41.

AS AN ADD ON, IF POSSIBLE, TO WHATEVER PROJECT WE ARE DOING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET FIRE STATION 41 TAKEN CARE OF IN A MUCH CLOSER NEAR FUTURE THAN THE FEELING OF THAT NEAR FUTURE BEING A DECADE PLUS AWAY.

I THINK THE THE BENEFIT OF THIS, UM, PROJECT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE ALL THE POSSIBILITIES AND, UM, UH, VALUATIONS SO THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS.

UH, SO THEN 41 IS NOW INCLUDED, BUT THE SITE IS NOT PART OF A SALE SITE OR A TRANSFER SITE.

UH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS STATION 41 IS OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, UH, THE VALUATION PROCESS FOR THIS, UH, PROPERTY.

BUT IN TERMS OF, UH, THE BUILDING REMODELING, UH, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCTION, REBUILDING, ALL OF THAT, UM, WE WILL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AS WE SEE HOW THIS, UH, PROPERTY, UM, IS, IS POTENTIALLY UTILIZED.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, AND HOW QUICKLY WE NEED TO INCORPORATE THAT, UM, CIP INTO THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

CAN WE CAN WE CAN WHILE WE'RE HERE AND DOING A WHOLE ASSESSMENT, WE CAN ADD THAT ON.

NO, NO ISSUE.

WE CAN JUST GIVE YOU A KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL OF WHAT THAT BUILDING, WHAT SHE NEEDS.

UM, NOT NECESSARILY TO KEEP HER IN THE POSITION.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

BUT AGAIN, BUT WE CAN JUST GIVE YOU SOME SOME FEEDBACK.

YES. THANK YOU.

BECAUSE THEN MAYBE WE WOULD WIND UP THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE HERE TO INCORPORATE.

FOR HELP. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

I THANK YOU. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NO ONE ELSE HAS FLIPPED.

HE HAS NOT FLIPPED. BUT VICE MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

GO AHEAD. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO WHO? THESE PEOPLE. THE PHOTOS ARE.

THEY'RE SO SMALL.

OKAY, SO BROOKE IS HERE.

ALL RIGHT. I DID SEE BASTIAN.

HE HAD A.

YEAH, TOOK TOOK NOTICE.

UM. CAN GET IS IS OVER THERE.

SCOTT. SCOTT BRENNER HERE.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO. YOU HAVE THE.

SO IS THIS ALL OF COLLIERS OR THIS IS JUST TAMARAC STEAM.

THIS IS TAMARAC STEAM.

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AND THEN SO YOU HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX PEOPLE THAT WERE PRESENTED HERE FROM THE TEAM AND BEHIND THEM BEHIND KEN ARE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS WHO WILL ACCOMPANY HIM WHEN HE COMES TO DO THE, THE, THE ASSESSMENTS IF YOU WILL.

SO WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE AT THE MOMENT.

OKAY. SO, UM, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I SEE THE, THE TITLES OF, OF THE PEOPLE.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE, THE SKILL SETS ARE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE STUDY.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH, UM, THEORETICALLY WITH COST, LOCATION.

AND AND WHAT ELSE? TELL ME COST AND LOCATION OR AND LET'S CALL IT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF OF THE OPTIONS AGAIN.

RIGHT. IF YOU WERE TO MOVE OR IF YOU WERE TO JUST TO RENOVATE AND STAY IN PLACE, WHAT POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES WOULD BE THERE? OKAY. UM.

NOW, I HEARD A RESIDENT SAY THAT IT'S A $600 MILLION CITY HALL.

WHERE DID WE GET THAT NUMBER? NOT FROM US.

UM, SO THIS INFORMATION IS NOT IN THE BACKUP.

IT'S IT'S PROBABLY NOT.

UM, BUT, UM, WHAT I'M THINKING IS THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE TOTAL, UM, VALUE OF THE, UM, THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AT THE END.

UH, IF IT'S, UM, PROCEEDED.

OKAY, IT COULD BE THE VALUE OF THE TOTAL PROJECT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

OKAY, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR.

PROBABLY NOT. SO WHO WHO CREATED THE AGENDA? SO I, I WILL KNOW EXACTLY IF $600 MILLION IS IN THE BACKUP INFORMATION.

YEAH. OKAY.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

OKAY. SO $600 MILLION IS OKAY? NO. AND.

OKAY, SO SO SO THEN, UM, THE COMPLETE, UH, COMPLEX, NOT JUST CITY HALL, BUT EVERYTHING CITY HALL AND AROUND IT COULD LIKELY BE 100,000,200, 300, 400, 500, 600 MILLION.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THE CONSTRUCTION FOR SOME SEEING THE AFTER, UM, POST COMPLETION VALUE OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

GOT IT. OKAY.

YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT LOCATION, UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE LOCATION MEANING WHERE THE THE NOB HILL? WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LOCATIONS THAT YOU CURRENTLY OWN.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS SITE AND NOB HILL.

OKAY. AND SO NOT NOT GIVING FALSE HOPE.

THIS THIS SITE IS IS A QUESTION OR IS IT NOT IDEAL LIVING? YOU MEAN FOR A FUTURE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, RIGHT? UM, IT IS A POTENTIAL.

EXCEPT THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE A MUCH LARGER, UM, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE STUDY, WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF AN OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE IN THE, UH, PUBLIC SERVICES COMPLEX.

SO WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE, WHETHER IT'S THIS PROPERTY OR THAT PROPERTY.

OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE, THE MAYOR MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, HAVING EVERYTHING UNDER ONE ROOF.

IF WE HAD EVERYTHING UNDER ONE ROOF, COULD THIS BE A A POTENTIAL SITE OR IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE? I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE, UM, UH, COMING OUT OF THE, UH, THIS THIS PROJECT.

RIGHT? RIGHT? OKAY, SO IF WE WANTED EVERYTHING UNDER ONE ROOF, IT COULD REMAIN HERE.

IT'S POSSIBLE. I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK WE WILL BE.

FIRST, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW BIG EVERYTHING UNDER ONE ROOF MEANS.

LIKE I SAID, THAT COULD BE A 50,000 FOOT BUILDING.

IT COULD BE 150.

IF IT'S 150,000 FOOT BUILDING.

MAYBE MORE CHALLENGING TO PUT ON THIS SITE VERSUS IF IT'S A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

SO FIRST IS TO FIGURE OUT.

WHAT UNDER ONE ROOF ACTUALLY MEANS, RIGHT? FROM A FROM A SIZE PERSPECTIVE.

AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW IT WORKS ON EITHER KNOB HILL OR THE SITE SIZE MATTER, SIZE MATTER.

WELL, YOU SAID THAT IT MATTERS.

MICHELLE MATTERS. OKAY.

SO, UM.

SO FIDUCIARY DUTY.

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THAT'S A LEGAL COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? I WAS TALKING ABOUT SNICKERS BARS.

HE'S GOT A MUCH DIFFERENT BLACK LAW DICTIONARY THAN WHAT WE STUDIED WITH.

OH, THEY'RE NOT MY HOUSE.

PLEASE. THE RAIL TRAIN RAILS ON IT.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT, SO HERE'S HERE'S THE BIG QUESTION.

RIGHT. YOU'RE ASKING US TO TO SPEND $79,000 ON THE STUDY OR HOW MUCH IS IT NOT TO EXCEED NOT TO EXCEED 79,000. OKAY.

SO, UM, $79,000 MAY NOT BE A LOT OF MONEY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT IS FOR ME.

UM, AND ANYTIME WE'RE SPENDING EVEN A DOLLAR FOR THE CITY, WE HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE COST.

IT'S TAXPAYERS MONEY.

UM. SO.

SO THEN MY QUESTION IS.

LET'S SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS.

TAJ MAHAL CITY HALL.

UM, WHERE DO WE GET THAT MONEY? I KNOW WE HAVE $79,000, BUT WE CLEARLY DON'T HAVE $600 MILLION OR $100 MILLION TO SPEND ON A CITY HALL.

WHERE WILL WE GET THE MONEY? AND AND PROCEED WITH CAUTION, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY, THEN YOU'RE ALSO SAYING 7 TO $9000 IS NOT A GOOD INVESTMENT BECAUSE YOU'D BE SPENDING IT IN THIN AIR, NOT KNOWING, NOT HAVING A PLAN.

YEAH, RIGHT.

IT'S NOT $600 MILLION.

HE ALREADY CLARIFIED THAT WITH THE EVALUATION, BUT WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, NAMING A NUMBER.

I THINK THE, UM, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, AGAIN, IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS STUDY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, UM, THE THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND WHAT IT WOULD COST TO, TO BUILD THAT, UH, MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.

AND THEN, UM, THE VALUE OF, OF THE, UM, UH, THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY IN THE, UH, NOB HILL SIDE AND THE POTENTIAL VALUE OF THIS, UM, PROPERTY, EITHER AS A, AS A SALE OR AS A JOINT DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT, UM, UH, WHAT KIND OF, UH, REVENUE THESE, UH, TWO, UM, POTENTIAL SITES MAY BRING, UH, TO SUBSET OR SUBSIDIZE THE COST OF MUNICIPAL, UM, COMPLEX DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'LL FIND OUT THOSE NUMBERS AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THE CITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, LOOK AT A NUMBER OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, EITHER THROUGH BONDING OR COMMERCIAL LOANS OR OTHER MEANS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE FUNDING FOR THAT.

OKAY. SO BONDING.

AND THEN WHAT ELSE? UH, COMMERCIAL LOANS.

COMMERCIAL LOANS AND POTENTIALLY, UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE CHASTISED BY OUR FINANCE, UH, DIRECTOR, BUT BUT I HEARD HER SAY ALL THE WAY FROM OVER HERE, POTENTIALLY, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, THE CITY'S FUND BALANCE CAN CONTRIBUTE SOME OF THAT, UH, TO, TO SOME OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION COSTS AS WELL. THERE'S ALSO FUND BALANCE.

ONE SECOND. SORRY.

I LIKE YOU SO FAR.

OKAY. THE GUMMIES WERE NOT STRONG ENOUGH, CHRISTINE.

KESHA'S GUMMIES WERE NOT AIR.

UM, YOU TOOK IT.

UH, CHRISTINE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ME AN EXACT NUMBER.

JUST GIVE ME A ROUND NUMBER OR WHATEVER YOU THINK.

HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE IN OUR FUND BALANCE? THAT. END OF 20.

OUR FUND BALANCE. 30 MILLION.

OKAY. SO.

SO IF WE SPEND $30 MILLION CONSIDERING SUNRISE TO BUILD THEIR CITY HALL.

WAS 73 MILLION.

IT'S PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT, ELVIN? PRETTY GOOD. SO IF WE USE OUR FUND BALANCE TO BUILD LESS THAN HALF OF SUNRISE WHAT THEY HAVE.

NOT QUITE THE TAJ MAHAL IN THAT CASE, BUT YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

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IF WE SPEND OUR $30 MILLION WOULD BE BROKE.

IS THAT GOOD? PLANNING. IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT RIGHT. WE WE WANT TO HAVE MONEY, RIGHT? WE WE WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.

OKAY. YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT.

SO LET'S LET'S CROSS IT OFF.

SO THEN IT'S NOT FUND BALANCE.

SO WE'RE THEN ONLY LOOKING AT BONDS AND COMMERCIAL LOANS.

AND SO WE WOULD BORROW AT LEAST $73 MILLION IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SUNRISE BENCHMARKING.

AND PILING ON THE LOANS CAN GO AHEAD AND RESPOND.

I JUST THERE'S ALSO THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP MODEL AS WELL WHERE POTENTIALLY IN THOSE AGAIN EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT. BUT IN A LOT OF THOSE SITUATIONS THE CITY MAYBE DONATES LAND AND DEVELOPERS WILL BUILD, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS OR POTENTIALLY BUILD A BUILDING AND INCORPORATE IT INTO AN OTHER, YOU KNOW, LARGER DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING OAKLAND OAKLAND PARK DID.

SO THERE THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF OF OPTIONS.

ONCE YOU QUANTIFY THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER, THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF OF OPTIONS THAT YOU KNOW, WILL YOU'LL BE ABLE TO EXPLORE. UM, AND WHEN YOU SAY PRIVATE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE, UH, TO TAKE THIS PROPERTY, SELL IT OFF TO A DEVELOPER WHO WOULD BUILD SOMETHING ELSE AND THEN USE THAT MONEY TOWARD BUILDING A CITY HALL OR CITY COMPLEX SOMEWHERE ELSE.

PARTIALLY, BUT DEVELOPER, THAT DEVELOPER COULD ALSO AS PART OF THAT, LET'S CALL IT, AS YOU SAID, SALE.

PART OF THE DEAL COULD BE THAT THEY BUILD YOU A NEW CITY HALL, IN ADDITION TO BUYING AND BUILDING AND DEVELOPING THIS LAND.

SO THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'VE AGAIN INCORPORATED A NEW CITY HALL INTO A LARGER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S AGAIN IN THAT PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, UH, DISCUSSION THAT YOU WOULD ULTIMATELY AND THAT MAY SOUND LIKE AN EXAMPLE. UM, BUT I, I CAN I CAN REALLY EDUCATE MY COLLEAGUES.

UM, AS FAR AS, UH, ELVIN, MAUREEN, KEISHA, THAT THAT WAS A THING, UH, THAT WE HAD A DEVELOPER HERE YEARS AGO WHO CAME AND AND MET WITH WITH ME, MICHELLE, DEBORAH, JULIE.

AND I THINK HARRY AT THE TIME, GOD BLESS HIS SOUL.

UM, TO.

ASK US PRIVATELY AND INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THE SAME EXACT THING.

AND 24 HOURS AFTER THAT MEETING, THE SUN-SENTINEL CALLED ALL OF US, UM, ASKING US IF THAT MEETING WAS HELD.

UM, I TOLD THEM THE TRUTH OF THAT MEETING WAS HELD AT THE TIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE LIED.

UM, BUT, UM, THIS THIS WAS A THING.

SO THIS IS NOT LEVENT THING BECAUSE IT PRECEDES HIM AS MANAGER.

UM. THIS IS.

MICHAEL CERNECH DAYS, AND THAT'S STILL MICHELLE'S DAYS.

AND SHE SAID ON THE RECORD THAT SHE'S WANTED THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

SO NOW WE KNOW WHO WAS TELLING THE CITY MANAGER TO BUILD THE CITY HALL WAY BACK WHEN.

SO THANK YOU.

YEAH. GO AHEAD.

NO TALKING FROM THE AUDIENCE.

UM, SO.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BE AN OBSTRUCTIONIST TO, TO TO TO THIS PROJECT.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS AT LEAST TO FOLLOW THE, THE DROPPINGS AND KNOWS KNOW WHO WHOSE IDEA THIS IS AND IF IT'S IF IT'S SOMEBODY'S IDEA, JUST JUST OWN UP TO IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD THING.

IT'S, IT'S IT'S PROBABLY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A GOOD THING FOR, FOR THE CITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, 7 TO $9000 TO FIND OUT.

THE COST, THE LOCATION, ECONOMIC IMPACT, WHETHER TO MOVE THIS BUILDING TO ANOTHER BUILDING, CREATE ANOTHER BUILDING, BUILD ANOTHER THING, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, GO, GO FOR IT.

MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT IF.

YOU WANT TO TAKE A CALL OUTSIDE? OKAY. SO PLEASE, UM.

BE QUIET. UM, SO.

SO IF IT IS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO SPEND, UH, THIS KIND OF MONEY, UM, ON A ON A COMPLEX.

WE HAVE TO CONSIDER OUR RESIDENTS OUT EAST, AND WE'D BE THEORETICALLY MOVING A CITY HALL FROM WHERE IT IS FURTHER WEST.

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SO THE IDEA OF EVERYTHING UNDER ONE BUILDING, I'M NOT NECESSARILY KEEN ON THAT IDEA.

I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA.

BECAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM ALL THE WAY OUT EAST, SOME SOME ARE SENIORS THAT DON'T DEAL WITH.

PAYING WITH CREDIT CARDS OR PAYING ONLINE OR THAT SORT OF STUFF.

THEY LIKE TO COME TO CITY HALL TO PAY THEIR WATER BILL.

SO YOU'RE TELLING THEM TO GO FURTHER, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TO DO THINGS.

AND WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CHANGE, GET PERMITS FOR WHATEVER IN THEIR HOUSE, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO WORK ON OUR HOUSE WITHOUT GETTING PERMITS.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN THE WOODLANDS DID.

UM, SO THEY HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY WEST TO NOB HILL TO DO BUSINESS.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR STUDY.

YES. UM, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BE AN OBSTRUCTIONIST.

I KNOW WHAT IT IS.

UM, WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE BEING AN OBSTRUCTIONIST TO, UH, A PROJECT THAT COULD REALLY HELP, UM, THE COMMUNITY.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, I'LL JUST.

I'LL JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT.

I'M. CURIOUS TO FIND OUT TO SEE WHAT YOUR FINDINGS ARE.

YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S THERE'S NO PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS.

AND AGAIN, I THINK YOUR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT EVERYTHING BEING UNDER ONE ROOF, PRESUMPTION THAT IT'S GOING TO BE OUT IN NOB HILL IS NOT THE STUDY WILL WILL SHOW WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT MIGHT FIT.

AND YOU WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

BUT THE KEY PART OF THE STUDY IS REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, AS I SAID, WHAT UNDER ONE ROOF REALLY MEANS IS THAT A 20,000 FOOT BUILDING, OR IS THAT A 200,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING? WE NEED TO WE NEED TO GET THAT KIND OF INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE A BUILDING LIKE THAT COULD GO.

ABSOLUTELY. AND BY THE WAY, I WAS IN THE FORT LAUDERDALE EXECUTIVE AIRPORT MEETING, UM, AND A COMMISSIONER FROM THE CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE, UM, WAS SPEAKING IN THAT MEETING ABOUT THEIR CITY HALL.

FORT LAUDERDALE IS LOOKING AT BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL WITH THAT PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER.

UH, MADE A MADE COMMENTS ON THE RECORD AND AND HE, COMMISSIONER HERBST, I THINK HIS NAME WAS, UM, MADE COMMENTS ON THE RECORD AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOT FOR A CITY HALL, UH, BECAUSE, UM, PEOPLE ARE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT THE IMPACT OF WHAT AI IS GOING TO TAKE TOLL ON, ON THE MARKET.

SO, UH, MAYBE HALF THIS ROOM WITH ALL OF OUR FINE LAWYERS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S AN AI THING FOR THAT TO WRITE, YOU KNOW, MEMOS AND AND OPINIONS AND BRIEFS AND, AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, UM, AND, AND ARTICLES ON CERTAIN WEBSITES.

RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, AI IS TAKING OVER AND WITH, WITH AI AS WELL.

WE'RE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, I'M FINISHING MY POINT.

FINISH YOUR POINT. BECAUSE AI HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS RIGHT NOW.

YES IT DOES. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YES IT DOES, YES IT DOES.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING WELL, LET ME.

OKAY. BECAUSE, BECAUSE, BECAUSE I.

IF AI DOES HAVE THE WORK OF PEOPLE, YOU DON'T NEED PEOPLE.

RIGHT. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, UM, PEOPLE ARE ALSO WORKING FROM HOME AS WELL STILL.

SO WE MAY NOT NEED AS MUCH SPACE.

THAT'S THE POINT AS WE THINK WE MIGHT NEED.

THAT'S THE POINT. THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS STUDY, RIGHT, IS TO IS TO INCORPORATE AI AND AND THE NEW WORKPLACE AND HYBRID WORK AND.

YEAH. SO BUT COMMISSIONER HERBST PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WAS MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO OWN OUR CITY HALL AND WE SHOULD JUST RENT BECAUSE THINGS ARE GOING TO KEEP CHANGING OVER THE NEXT FIVE, TEN, 15, 20 YEARS.

YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME OPTION IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THAT STRUCTURE.

YES. ONCE WE FIGURE OUT IF WE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE THINK YOU'RE GENERALLY GOING TO NEED 20,000FT OR 200,000FT² BECAUSE OF AI AND BECAUSE OF ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.

BUT THEN THE STRUCTURE, WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY OWN YOUR BUILDING OR WHETHER YOU JUST WANT TO RENT AGAIN, PEOPLE MAKE THAT DECISION ALL THE TIME, WHETHER THEY WANT TO BUY A HOUSE OR WHETHER THEY CHOOSE TO RENT RIGHT FOR THEIR OWN.

YOU AS A CITY WILL HAVE THAT SIMILAR OPTION, BUT YOU NEED THE DATA TO UNDERSTAND HOW BIG OF A BUILDING IS THAT AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE GOT IT? COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. UM.

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JUST SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, REALLY.

UM, WE ARE STILL ASSEMBLING, UH, FOR 41 CITY MANAGER.

WE HAVE TWO PROPERTIES SO FAR.

YES. OKAY. HOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THAT? UM, ABOUT 30,000, MAYBE.

OKAY, SO A FULL OVER 45,000FT².

UM, THAT'S FOR THE EAST SIDE.

SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE.

UM, BUT I DO WANT TO READ SOMETHING, AND I'M SURE IT'S IN EVERY WISE BOOK, BUT I, UH, AS A CHRISTIAN, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT PERFECT, UH, AND I MAKE MANY MISTAKES, MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND BAD DECISIONS, IT'S.

IT SAYS, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO PLANNING TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE DOESN'T FIRST SIT DOWN AND FIGURE THE COST SO YOU WILL KNOW IF YOU CAN COMPLETE IT. AND IT GOES ON TO SAY, IF YOU ONLY GET THE FOUNDATION LAID AND RUN OUT OF MONEY, YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK PRETTY FOOLISH.

UM. SO.

I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT.

RIGHT? THIS IS THIS IS WHAT THIS IS SAYING.

WE'RE GOING INTO THE FUTURE.

THIS BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S THIS BUILDING OR THAT PLOT OF LAND.

UH, NONE OF US ARE GOING TO BE HERE IN 40 YEARS.

UM. NO.

NONE OF US.

39. 94.

WHAT IS BIDEN? BIDEN WAS CELEBRATING 107 YEARS, YOUNG LADY, IN JANUARY.

SO WE'RE SUCH A GOOD CITY.

PEOPLE STAY HERE. YOU DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT TO 79? WHAT KIND OF CHRISTIAN ARE YOU? MAN OF BOOKS AT 70? NO, I YOU KNOW, I'LL REPHRASE IT FOR HIM.

WE WILL NOT BE ON THE DAIS.

OH, THAT'S FOR SURE. THAT'S LONG GONE FROM THERE.

WE WILL HAVE IN THE DAY TIME.

HOW ABOUT THAT? GO AHEAD. RIGHT.

UM. THEY CAN REELECT YOU.

I IT'S LIKE I WAS TOLD A STORY BY SOMEONE ABOUT.

UM, FLORIDA AIRPORT.

AND I'VE SHARED THIS MANY TIMES WITH PROBABLY IN THIS ROOM.

SO I'M GOING TO SHARE IT AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST I WANT TO PUT PERSPECTIVE INTO THIS.

SUPPOSEDLY. I DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH OR NOT.

VALLARTA AIRPORT BELONGED TO TAMARAC.

THE LAND. IT WAS SOLD.

YEAH, YEAH, WHATEVER.

F.T.X. WHATEVER IT'S CALLED F X F X.

WE'RE GOING DOWN. YES, HOLLYWOOD.

THAT'S HOLLYWOOD. THE EXECUTIVE.

THE EXECUTIVE. I MEAN, THERE WERE A LOT WITH THE LINE.

THE EXECUTIVE FLORIDA AIRPORT HAD BELONGED TO TAMARAC AND I KNOW I'VE SHARED IT, SO I'M GOING TO JUST REPEAT IT BECAUSE I WANT TO TRY TO RESONATE ON THIS. AND THE REASON WHY WE DON'T OWN THAT ANYMORE WAS BECAUSE THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME DID NOT WANT TO CONTINUE TO CUT THE GRASS.

AND THAT OPPORTUNITY WAS LOST BECAUSE NOT JUST THAT PARCEL, BUT THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A FUNKY LOOKING CITY BOUNDARIES.

SO. CAN YOU PUT UP A MAP OF TAMARAC WHILE I'M SPEAKING? I THINK IT IS EXACTLY ON THE PRESENTATION IS ONE.

SO. I MEAN, THAT'S RIGHT.

WE MAKE DECISIONS TODAY.

NOT NOT FOR US.

RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SITTING ON THIS DAIS.

NONE OF US WILL BE COMPLETING THIS.

PROBABLY SOME OF Y'ALL WILL BE RETIRING FROM HERE OR OVER THERE OR THE NEW BUILDING OR WHEREVER, AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE COMING IN, A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING OUT.

I THINK THE STUDY ITSELF IS SELF-EXPLANATORY.

IT MIGHT BE 80,000, BUT IF WE DO NOT KNOW WE ALREADY, WE SEE THE WALLS AND WE SEE THE BONES OF THIS BUILDING.

IT'S ALL RUSTED.

YOU SEE THE LAKES WHEN THEY RAINS, WE SEE THE LACK OF USAGE OF SPACE.

RIGHT. UH, VICE MAYOR WAS RIGHT WITH THE WHOLE EYE THING.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THERE WILL BE A LOT OF LOST JOBS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GOING TO BE LEASING OUT.

UNITS AND POTENTIAL TENANTS, AND SOMEONE ELSE WILL BE MANAGING IT AND SOMEONE ELSE WILL BE DOING THE WORK FOR US.

WE, LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO OWN THE BUILDING.

RIGHT. WE CAN. THEY CAN PAY FOR IT.

WE WE OWN IT.

WE'RE THERE. WE'RE USING IT.

PROBABLY. PROBABLY EVEN FOR FREE.

WE DON'T HAVE NO BILLS.

BECAUSE. WHY? BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS PAYING FOR EVERYTHING.

PLUS MORE. SO IT WILL PROBABLY COST US NEAR $100 MILLION, OR NOT EVEN NEAR THE $79 MILLION.

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THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

I. THE COST OF LIVING IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO SKY RISE.

WE KNOW THAT.

INFLATION'S NOT GOING TO STOP.

IT DOESN'T SAY HEY I'M GOING TO SLOW DOWN HERE.

I BELIEVE HYPERINFLATION IS MORE REAL THAN A DEFLATION IN MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW.

SO FOR US TO SPEND $80,000, IT IS A WISE DECISION.

IT DOES SOUND RIGHT.

IT'S A SOUND RIGHT TO THE PUBLIC.

NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THE COMMISSION'S SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON WHAT? WE DON'T NEED A CITY HALL.

WELL GUESS WHAT? I DON'T NEED AN OLD BATHROOM EITHER IN MY HOUSE, BUT I HAVE TO PUT MONEY INTO IT.

THIS IS A 50 YEAR OLD BUILDING.

THE LONGER WE PROLONG BUILDING THIS.

AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TEN YEARS FROM NOW, POSSIBLY TO FOR A FINISHED PRODUCT, WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.

WE START REFINANCING AND THOSE INTEREST RATES SHOOT UP.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REFINANCE THOSE INTEREST RATES.

WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.

SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT I THINK PROPERLY PLANNING.

EXCUSE ME FOR SPITTING.

UH, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS PLANS ON THE EAST SIDE.

UM, NOT TO TAKE A LITTLE JAB AT YOU.

UH, VICE MAYOR.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE THAT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO BE A SATELLITE.

UH, CITY HALL.

LIKE THAT. THAT'S AWESOME.

HERE. GIVE YOU THAT ENCOURAGEMENT.

ROLLING ALONG. SO.

SO SHALL WE ACQUIRE THE THIRD, THE PARCEL? I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO JUMP ON IT.

THAT THIRD PARCEL WILL COMPLETE THE ASSEMBLY OF THAT FOR 41.

SO WHAT COULD IT BE AGAIN? THE SAME THING AS ANY POSSIBILITY.

SO I THINK, UM.

I'M GONNA SHUT IT DOWN THERE AND PUT A PERIOD ON THAT.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RIGHT.

ALL YOURS. THANK YOU.

KEN, I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME YOU CAME HERE.

YOU KNOW, I DID MENTION THAT THE PROPOSAL WAS KIND OF LACKLUSTER.

AND I DO WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR IMPROVING THE PROPOSAL.

UH, I'VE ALSO DONE SOME RESEARCH SINCE THAT TIME IN UNDERSTANDING THESE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE VALUATION.

600 MILLION.

THAT IS WHAT IT WILL BE VALUED ONCE IT'S DONE.

I SERIOUSLY DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT $600 MILLION CAME FROM.

BUT NO NO NO NO NO NO BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT LET ME JUST JUST TO CLARIFY IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. WHAT IS THE PRICE OF A HOUSE IN PARKLAND RIGHT NOW? THE HOUSE OF A HOUSE IN PARK.

THE VALUATION OF A HOME IN PARKLAND.

SAY WHERE YOU LIVE. WHAT'S THE VALUATION OF A HOME RIGHT NOW? UM, I THINK THE MEDIAN IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 900 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY.

A FAMILY MEMBER BOUGHT A HOUSE THERE 30 YEARS AGO, AND THEY PAID 150,000.

SO THE VALUATION TODAY IS 900,000.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THE VALUATION OF THE PROPERTY WHEN IT'S DONE IS 600.

IF THAT'S THE WHATEVER'S OUT THERE, THE VALUATION WILL BE 600 MILLION.

SO YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN SPEND 73 AND THEN BY THE TIME IT'S OPEN IT'LL BE WORTH 600 MILLION.

IF IF THAT'S WHAT'S OUT THERE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THE VALUATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO WE WILL BE WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF EQUITY ONCE IT'S DONE BASED ON THAT NUMBER THAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT THERE.

THAT'S THE POTENTIAL.

YES. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE LOAN AND FINANCING, IF WE BORROW 73 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS, HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY ANNUALLY? FINANCE DIRECTOR.

WE WEREN'T UP TO THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT TUCKED AWAY IN THE BACK.

OH NO.

I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATIONS IN NUMBERS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO IF WE BORROW 73 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE UP OUR 30 MILLION AND SPEND IT ALL.

OKAY, OKAY.

IT'S A MECHANISM LEVERAGE AS A TOOL THAT WE USE IN TERMS OF UTILIZING THE MONEY.

WE HAVE TO BE MORE THAN THAT. OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE NUMBER OF STUFF BECAUSE, UH, I'M A NUMBERS PERSON AND I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE PLAYING WITH PLAYING WITH NUMBERS.

UH, IN TERMS OF SUNRISE AS WELL, THEY BUILT A CITY HALL FOR 70, 73, AND THEY ALSO BUILT A POLICE COMPLEX FOR 33. SO IN OUR PROPOSAL, WE'RE DOING BOTH IN IN ONE, ONE, ONE SOLUTION.

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SO THAT IS MORE OR LESS CHEAPER BY, BY HAVING BOTH OF THEM IN THE SAME, THE SAME DEVELOPMENT.

POTENTIALLY COMPARED TO SUNRISE BECAUSE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT THEY HAD ONE FOR 70 AND ONE FOR 33.

SO WE ARE DOING IT ALL IN ONE.

AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT SORRY, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IT THAT WAY.

SO THAT'S A COST SAVING AS WELL.

IF WE'RE COMPARING TO A SISTER CITY.

WHAT ABOUT YOU SAID DEVELOPMENT? IS IT GOING TO HAVE HOUSING AND THAT TYPE OF PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IN TERMS OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GENERATE.

BUT POTENTIALLY AGAIN, POTENTIALLY THE THE STUDY COULD SHOW THAT BY.

DOING, UH, ALL IN ONE, CREATING EFFICIENCY, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY SPACE IS UTILIZED AND UTILIZING LESS SPACE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AROUND YOUR, LET'S CALL IT, YOUR CITY HALL COMPLEX. UM, IN ADDITION TO, UH, OTHER KIND OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD TAKE PLACE THERE.

AND THERE'S A VALUE ON THAT, RIGHT? OKAY. AND IT SEEMS TO BE A TREND AROUND US TO BE BUILDING NEW GOVERNMENT COMPLEX.

I THINK THE COUNTY JUST JUST, UH, APPROVED 363 MILLION TO BUILD A NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER.

AND, UH, I THINK THE DISSENTING VOICE WAS COMMISSIONER YUDIN, AND HIS COMMENTS WERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE IT WAS TOO MUCH SPACE FOR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ALLUDED TO IN TERMS OF AI IN THAT TYPE OF STUFF, BECAUSE WE NEED WE NEED LESS SPACE WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPING OFFICE SPACES AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF, NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WORKING DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY DID PREVIOUSLY.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A THE STUDY AS WELL, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO DETERMINE, UH, AND AGAIN, JUST TO PUT SOME CONTEXT AROUND THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER, UH, CAME FROM AS WELL.

BUT THE COUNTY AGAIN, THEY HAVEN'T IT'S NOT FINAL YET, BUT BALLPARK IS AROUND 400,000FT² SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN THIS FACILITY.

HOW BIG IS THIS BUILDING? 80. BUT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.

OLDER THAN. BIGGER THAN THIS BUILDING.

400,000FT². AND THE BUDGET AGAIN, 400 MILLION.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH COSTS.

THE POTENTIAL COSTS? YES. POTENTIAL REVENUES.

YES. ALL THIS STUFF, UM, IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION FROM GETTING FROM THE EAST SIDE TO THE WEST SIDE, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE STUDY AS WELL? NOT THE COST OF TRANSPORTATION, BUT JUST HOW MAYBE EFFICIENTLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, BUT NOT COST OF TRANSPORTATION.

AND YOU'RE SOLVING IS IT GOING TO ALSO CAPTURE MAKE SURE IT'S RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, IT'S YOUR SURVEYS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

IS IT GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S EVENTUALLY YES, ONCE, ONCE THERE ARE SOME STUDIES AND SOME, UH, SOME PLANS TO LOOK AT, PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR INPUT ON IT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHTY. HUH? THIS BUILDING. YEAH.

SO THE GOVERNMENT, THE COUNTY IS FOUR TIMES BIGGER THAN THIS CURRENT BUILDING AND THEIR BUDGET IS 400 MILLION.

JUST TO AGAIN PUT IN CONTEXT OF.

YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I AM IN SUPPORT OF OF HAVING THIS STUDY DONE TO SEE, UH, WHAT POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN UTILIZE WITH THAT PART OF THE CITY THAT'S IN MY DISTRICT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO, UH, BRING A LOT OF VIBRANCY TO THE DISTRICT.

I THINK WITH AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE CAN DO.

BUT COST IS IS IMPORTANT.

AND SEEING ALL THE OPTIONS AND HAVING ALL THE FACTS, I THINK, ALLOWS US TO DECIDE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WANT TO PURSUE OR NOT.

AND ALSO LOOKING INTO THIS CURRENT, UH, SPACE, HOW WE CAN UTILIZE IT, UM, IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED AS WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, FORT LAUDERDALE, I MEAN, THEY'RE RENTING, WE DON'T WANT TO RENT.

IT'S GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS SHOULD STILL BE OWNED BY GOVERNMENT IN TERMS OF SECURITY PURPOSES.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY A FEASIBLE, BUT IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

I MEAN, OAKLAND PARK IS RENTING.

UH, SO THERE ARE THERE ARE TRENDS WHERE CERTAIN MUNICIPALITIES BECAUSE OF MAYBE THEY'RE IN HYPER GROWTH MODE AND THEY DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WANT TO BE OR SO ON AND SO FORTH OR FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE.

BUT YOU WILL HAVE THOSE OPTIONS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO BRING ALL THOSE OPTIONS.

YES. OKAY.

PERFECT. THANK YOU.

DID YOU WISH OR NO? OKAY, BECAUSE I WANTED TO TRY TO CALL THE QUESTION.

SO I WANT TO CALL THE QUESTION.

I'M ABOUT TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT AND CALL THE QUESTION.

I HAVE A COMMENT, BUT I WAS GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.

OKAY. UM, ONE OF THE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT IS THE STUDY WILL HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT.

YOU'LL GET BACK TO US. YOU'LL ALSO HOPEFULLY GET SOME INFORMATION OF WHEN WE HAD OUR SATELLITE OFFICES AT THE SUNSHINE PLAZA ON 441, AND COMMERCIAL, HOW OFTEN THEY WERE

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UTILIZED, HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY COME FROM AND UTILIZE OUR CITY HALL IN PERSON, OR HOW MANY ARE USING IT ONLINE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT I YOU TALK ABOUT WHICH I DON'T THINK IS I IT'S ONLINE SERVICES.

BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, HOW MANY OF US CALL OUR CREDIT CARD ACROSS SOMEBODY AND WE GET SOME AUTOMATED MACHINE THAT CAN'T GET OUR VOICE MESSAGE RIGHT, AND WE START SCREAMING INTO THE PHONE, REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE, REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE, PERSON.

SO, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL IS NOT MEANT TO GIVE GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE IN THE BOT OR I OR ANY OTHER KIND OF THING.

AND IF I'M SORRY, IF OUR CITY ATTORNEY STARTS HAVING SOMEBODY WRITE HIS MEMOS TO US IN I.

I'M QUESTIONING HIS LAW DEGREE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN.

WELL, I MIGHT HAVE BEEN QUESTIONING THAT, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE.

WE'RE NOT GOING THERE. WE'RE BEING NICE.

SO THE WHOLE DON'T YOU WORRY, WE'LL TALK LATER.

UM, SO THE PURPOSE BEING IS WHAT IS THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE FOR OUR CITY AND OUR PROPERTIES IN ORDER TO DO THIS? AND, UM, I WILL CAUTION THE CITY, UM, EXPECTATIONS MAYBE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S CALLED AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE ON 441 AND COMMERCIAL THAT IS HIGHLY REGULATED BY.

GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THOSE PROPERTIES AND WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE USED THERE FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITY AND BRINGING GROWTH ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.

SO LET'S NOT BE.

LET'S POTENTIALLY BE CAREFUL ABOUT GETTING OUR HOPES UP ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT POSSIBLY LEGAL OR PROPER TO PUT THERE IN.

SHUSH, PLEASE.

SO AND ALSO, LET'S KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE 40 YEAR BUILDING CODES.

WE'RE APPROACHING IT.

IF THIS WAS 1988, WE'RE APPROACHING WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO BE DOING TO KEEP THIS BUILDING INTO PROPER FUNCTION, IN ALIGNMENT BEFORE WE'RE PUTTING LIENS ON OURSELVES. SO THIS IS ALL VERY GOOD.

I'M GLAD IT STARTED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER KIND OF JUNK THAT CAME OUT ON THE DAIS AND THE.

IMAGINATION THAT HAS RUN RAMPANT, THAT SOMETIMES COMES OUT HERE, BUT IT'S ALL NOISE.

BOTTOM LINE IS THE CITY NEEDS TO BE LOOKING INTO THE.

BEST THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY DO FOR OUR CITY, WHICH ALSO MEANS OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.

SO I AM READY TO CALL THE QUESTION UNLESS COMMISSIONER DANIEL.

GO AHEAD. UM, THANK YOU, BECAUSE I, I WAS NEUTRAL ON THIS ONE.

HOWEVER, YOU SAID THERE WERE YOU WERE LOOKING AT ALL THE CITY LOCATIONS.

BUT ON THE PRESENTATION, IT'S ONLY ONE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT.

TWO. ONE. THIS ONE.

THIS LOCATION. NOT ON THERE, IS IT? YEAH. OKAY.

LITTLE PURPLE. OKAY.

YEAH. I MEAN, THE STAR IS THE.

IT'S NOT IN THAT.

TELL US. SO THIS ONE SAYS FUTURE.

TIME POTENTIAL. IT SHOULD SAY POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT MADE ME SAY, OKAY, WELL, THE DECISION WAS ALREADY MADE.

NO NO NO NO NO. I'M SORRY.

YEAH. THAT'S, UM, SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT UNIVERSITY SITE.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND COMMERCIAL.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY OF THOSE.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THESE TWO.

JUST THESE TWO. YES.

AND, UM, THE CITY WE VISIT VISITED IN ALPHARETTA.

ALPHARETTA? UH, UM, THE ONLY WHERE PLACE THAT THAT TYPE OF, UM.

REDEVELOPMENT IS CAPABLE OF HAPPENING WOULD BE DISTRICT TWO LOCATION.

CORRECT? IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE.

WILL IT BE ABLE TO? NOT NECESSARILY.

I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A 1415 ACRE SITE.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE THEY'VE DONE THOSE KIND OF MIXED USE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON EVEN SMALLER SITES THAN THAT.

SO I WOULDN'T NO, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.

SO IT COULD TRULY STILL HAVE.

YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. THIS I MEAN THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN WHAT'S THAT.

WHAT WAS INCLUDING THE SHERIFF 25.

OKAY, DO ME A FAVOR TALKING TO MY PEOPLE.

SO, YEAH. NO, I WANT YOU INTO IT.

OR JUST BRING IT WITH YOU WHEN YOU TURN YOUR FACE.

OKAY? OKAY.

UM. SO THEN IT'S ONLY THESE TWO SITES, AND WITH A SATELLITE, DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING EVERYTHING IN ONE.

OR IT WOULDN'T DEFEAT THE PURPOSE.

NO YOU WOULDN'T. IT WOULD JUST ADD TO TO THE FLEXIBILITY OF OF RESIDENT SERVICES.

OKAY. SO IT WOULDN'T DEFEAT THE PURPOSE BECAUSE THE SATELLITE COULD BE THE RENTAL OPTION, WHEREAS IT'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE WHICH YOU'RE RENTING.

RIGHT. SO I DON'T IF IT'S NOT DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF THIS THEN I DON'T SEE IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE YOU ALREADY HAD CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE WELL, ACTUALLY I WE DO.

BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, THE REALITY IS WE DON'T REALLY NEED CONSENSUS.

IT'S ON MAIN AGENDA.

THIS IS NOT ONE THAT THEY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, SO TO SPEAK.

SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CONGRATULATIONS.

IT IS TWO LUNCH 20.

IT IS A HALF AN HOUR BREAK FOR LUNCH.

AND MAY I REMIND EVERYBODY YOU MAY HAVE HAD LUNCH IN THE TEN MINUTE BREAK, BUT OTHER OF US HAVE NOT.

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AND THEREFORE THERE IS A HALF HOUR BREAK THAT WE WERE WARNED ABOUT.

AND SO WE WILL BE BACK HERE AT 250.

IF YOU HAVE KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP, I KNOW THAT SOME HAVE BEEN ARRANGED FOR.

HOPEFULLY YOU'VE GOT ALL THE ARRANGEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED.

WE STILL HAVE FIVE AND A HALF ITEMS TO FINISH, SO JUST BE PREPARED.

WE WILL FINISH TODAY'S AGENDA EVEN IF WE HAVE TO START ORDERING DINNER.

SO BON APPETIT! ENJOY LUNCH. NEW BAGS OF GUMMIES.

IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THE TOILET PIPES, GO TO THAT OFFICE.

I'LL FLUSH THE TOILET AND YOU CAN HEAR THE PIPES GO BOOM.

NO, I'M NOT KIDDING.

SO ON THAT NOTE, WE ARE OFFICIALLY IN RECESS UNTIL 250.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

WE ARE ON THE RECORD.

IT IS 252 ON.

OUR MEETING HAS BEGUN AGAIN.

WE HAVE ANOTHER SWITCH FOR THE ITEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH.

WE ARE GOING TO GO TO ITEM ONE G, OUR BSO UPDATE, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED BY CAPTAIN COOPER.

AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND WE WILL FINISH.

[1.g BSO Update Presented by Captain Jemeriah Cooper]

WASTE. SOLID WASTE SERVICES RFP UPDATE.

PROMISE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LET US MOVE YOU AROUND AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF YOU ON THE RECENT HOMICIDES THAT OCCURRED IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC JUST BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

I'D LIKE TO FIRST START OFF BY SAYING ALL THREE INCIDENTS WERE ISOLATED INCIDENTS, AND WE DO NOT HAVE A SUBJECT OUTSTANDING IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE CONDUCTING ANY SPREE OF HOMICIDES. SO I WANT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LITTLE TIMELINE OF THE INCIDENTS.

ON NOVEMBER 21ST, AT SIX 6501 NOB HILL ROAD, BSO WAS DISPATCHED TO SONNY'S CAR WASH WAREHOUSE, WHERE TWO EMPLOYEES HAD ENGAGED IN A FIGHT WHICH RESULTED IN ONE MALE PRODUCING A GUN AND SHOOTING THE VICTIM.

THIS WAS WORKPLACE VIOLENCE.

AND THE SUSPECT REMAINED ON SCENE OF THE INCIDENT, AND HE WAS IMMEDIATELY TAKEN INTO INTO CUSTODY.

ONCE DEPUTIES ARRIVED ON SCENE, HE WAS INTERVIEWED BY OUR HOMICIDE DIVISION AND ARRESTED FOR THE CRIME.

ON NOVEMBER 22ND, AT 7710 NORTHWEST 79TH AVE, WE WERE DISPATCHED TO BON AIR AT WOODMONT CONDOMINIUMS FOR A VEHICLE THAT HAD CRASHED INTO A POLE. ONCE ON SCENE, WE DETERMINED THE DRIVER HAD BEEN SHOT AND POSSIBLY A ROBBERY OCCURRED.

WITNESSES STATED TWO SUBJECTS WERE OBSERVED RUNNING FROM THE SCENE, AND THIS CASE IS CURRENTLY BEING INVESTIGATED BY OUR HOMICIDE DIVISION.

HOWEVER, ON DECEMBER 3RD, WE HAD AN UPDATE TO THE CASE WHERE OUR HOMICIDE DIVISION AND A SWAT TEAM SERVED A SEARCH WARRANT AT A RESIDENCE IN MARGATE, WHICH RESULTED IN THE ARREST OF A 17 YEAR OLD JUVENILE MALE FOR MURDER.

ON NOVEMBER 25TH AT 3873 WEST COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, BSO WAS DISPATCHED TO THE EXTENDED STAY HOTEL.

A THREE YEAR OLD TODDLER WAS INSIDE THE HOTEL ROOM, ACCOMPANIED BY HER MOTHER AND OTHER OCCUPANTS.

THE TODDLER WAS SHOT AND DIED FROM INJURIES.

THIS INCIDENT IS STILL UNDER REVIEW BY THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

SO ADD A LITTLE INSIGHT FOR THIS CASE.

FLORIDA STATUTE 874874.05 CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE STATES AND I QUOTE, WHEN A MINOR CHILD IS ACCIDENTALLY SHOT BY ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER, NO ARREST SHALL BE MADE PURSUANT TO THE SUBJECT SUBSECTION PRIOR TO SEVEN DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF THE SHOOTING.

WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARENT OR GUARDIAN OF ANY DECEASED MINOR, THE INVESTIGATING OFFICERS SHALL FILE ALL FINDINGS AND EVIDENCE WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH RESPECT TO VIOLATIONS OF THIS SUBSECTION.

THE STATE ATTORNEY SHALL EVALUATE SUCH EVIDENCE AND SHALL TAKE SUCH ACTION AS HE OR SHE DEEMS APPROPRIATE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND MAY FILE AN INFORMATION AGAINST THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES. BECAUSE THIS CASE IS CURRENTLY BEING INVESTIGATED BY BOTH OUR HOMICIDE DIVISION AND STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I AM LIMITED WITH PROVIDING YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. HOWEVER, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DO NOT SHARE WITH YOU SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT MY STAFF AND I HAVE TAKEN PRIOR TO THESE SHOOTINGS.

SEEING AN INCREASE IN UNWANTED BEHAVIOR AT THE EXTENDED STAY HOTEL, WHILE DETECTIVES ENGAGED IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CORPORATE MANAGEMENT TO SECURE LIVE ACCESS OF THEIR VIDEO SURVEILLANCE AND LPR SYSTEMS. THESE CONVERSATIONS BEGAN ON OCTOBER 5TH AND THE AGREEMENT IS STILL BEING WORKED ON.

ON NOVEMBER 7TH, LIEUTENANT CHRIS PALMARO AND OUR CRIME PREVENTION UNIT HELD A GUN SAFETY COURSE AT TAMARAC COMMUNITY CENTER.

THIS COURSE WAS DESIGNED TO TEACH RESIDENTS SAFETY ASPECTS WHILE OWNING OR POSSESSING A GUN AND REDUCE ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE.

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ADDITIONAL GUN SAFETY COURSES WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT YEAR.

WE HAVE ALSO CONDUCTED NINE OPERATIONS FOR THE YEAR.

THESE OPERATIONS INCLUDE BURGLARY PREVENTION, SPECIAL EVENTS, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, AND HOLIDAY OPERATIONS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS OF A HOLIDAY OPERATION FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON, AND IT WILL RUN UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY.

I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SHARE WITH OUR RESIDENTS THAT TAMARAC DISTRICT PARKING LOT IS IDENTIFIED AS A SAFE LOCATION TO SELL OR EXCHANGE ITEMS POSTED ON SITES SUCH AS OFFER UP, AND I THINK I BELIEVE, UH, YOUR PIO JUST POSTED THAT ON YOUR CITY WEBSITE AS WELL.

AND THAT COMPLETES MY UPDATE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR UPDATE AND THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US SAFE.

YOU AND THE WHOLE TEAM. YOU'RE WELCOME.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOW GOING BACK TO ONE A WHERE WE WILL FINISH OFF.

SOLID WASTE SERVICES RFP UPDATE.

THANK YOU.

RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, TROY GEISE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES, AND KEITH GLASSER, PURCHASING CONTRACTS MANAGER.

ALL RIGHT. AND SO WE LEFT OFF AT COMMERCIAL SOLID WASTE.

AND SO I THINK WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT ON THAT AS FAR AS THE RFP GOES.

AND MAYOR, AS I RECALL, YOU WERE, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE NOTION OF, UM, DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, LEVEL OF CHOICE IN THERE FOR COMMERCIAL SOLID WASTE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

UM. I ACTUALLY HAVE A PHOTO FROM A LOCATION THAT A PLAZA JUST SOUTH SHARING.

UM, THE ENTRYWAY AS YOU GO INTO THE TAMARAC REC CENTER OF THE OVERFLOW OF GARBAGE THAT WAS THERE LAST NIGHT.

OKAY. I KNOW OF SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES, ACTUALLY, THE BUSINESS PLAZA TO THE NORTH OF THAT, WHERE THERE'S OVERFLOW OF GARBAGE THAT COMES FROM AFTER PEOPLE LEAVE FROM THEIR WORK TO COMING BACK TO WORK.

PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING OTHER.

ARE UTILIZING THE BUSINESSES TRASH AND UNFORTUNATELY THE BUSINESSES THEN HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

THERE THEY GET OVER, THEY GET CHARGED ADDITIONAL MONEY BECAUSE THE THE THINGS ARE FULL AND IT'S NOT.

IS A BAD BUSINESS PRACTICE FOR OUR BUSINESSES TO HAVE TO BE THE ONES SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCES OF COMMUNITIES OR PEOPLE WHO JUST COME OFF THE STREET AND DECIDE TO DUMP THEIR TRASH INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S TRASH.

MHM. UM, SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE.

THE OTHER ISSUE IS SOMETIMES OUR.

BUSINESS PLAZAS ARE A LITTLE BIT UPSET WITH THE SERVICES THEY MAY RECEIVE.

THEY FEEL RESTRICTED.

THEY FEEL THAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY WANT, AND THEY WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR OWN CHOICE.

SO. AS SUCH, I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE STATUTES THAT WE HAVE AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FACE.

IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN VET AND NARROW DOWN TO 2 OR 3 BUSINESSES OR HAULERS.

THAT COULD THEN BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE THE DECISION OF WHICH ONE THEY WISH TO SELECT.

IS ONE ITEM I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE IN MAYBE LARGER SIZE DUMPSTER CAPACITY FOR OUR BUSINESSES.

AND THEN.

MAYBE SOME DOLLARS TO ASSIST THEM TO MAYBE EXPANDING OR PUTTING SOME BETTER LOCKS OR COVERS ONTO WHERE THEIR DUMPSTERS ARE SO THAT IF THEY ARE COVERED AND IT IS IN A.

MORE REASONABLE.

I DON'T KNOW CONTAINER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER WORD IS FOR WHERE THE DUMPSTERS ARE SITUATED.

LIKE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE PARKING SPOT.

MHM. SO THAT THE COMMUNITIES CAN HAVE IT LOCKED IF NEED BE.

THERE COULD BE SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION AND IMPLEMENTATION WITH, UM, HOW TO OPEN IT UP ON THE DAYS THAT THE DUMPSTERS ARE COMING.

PEOPLE WHO ARE.

BUSINESSES IN A PLAZA WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN SETUP WITH.

THE MANAGEMENT TEAM THERE TO SAY, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE DUMPSTER, I'LL THROW MY TRASH IN AND THEN I'LL LOCK IT AND LEAVE.

TO GIVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY ON THE BUSINESSES.

BUT THIS WAY, TRY TO STOP SOME OF THIS EXCESSIVE.

THIRD PARTY DUMPING FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PHRASE IT THAT OUR BUSINESSES ARE HAVING TO PAY FOR BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHEN OUR BUSINESSES HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

GUESS WHO GETS TO PAY FOR IT? THE CONSUMER THAT USES THAT BUSINESS.

IT ALSO WOULD MAKE THINGS A LOT CLEANER, A LOT MORE SANITARY, LESS RODENTS, LESS VULTURES, ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

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UM, AND THEN SOME OF OUR PLAZAS MAYBE NEED TO BE RECONFIGURED AND RETHOUGHT OF, UM, I HAVE ONE PLAZA IN MIND AND SORRY FOR CALLING IT OUT, BUT MIDWAY SHOPPING PLAZA, IT NOW HAS MORE FOOD PLACES THAN THEY'VE HAD BEFORE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED.

UM, IT'S GOT A GARBAGE BIN PARKING SPOT.

IN ONE LOCATION THAT HAS A LOT OF.

IT'S NOT VERY NICE.

UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE VULTURES ERA.

I'M SURE MANY OF US HAVE GOTTEN THE EMAILS AND THE PICTURES FROM THE COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LET US KNOW ABOUT IT.

MAYBE THEY ARE NOT CONFIGURED FOR THE RIGHT SIZE.

IN THEIR PLAZA AS WELL.

SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT, WHEN IT COMES INTO THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF IT, I THINK NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT FOR.

PROVIDING AN RFP THAT WILL GIVE US A BETTER LEVEL OF SERVICE.

FOR OUR COMMERCIAL PLAZAS.

OKAY, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS.

SO FIRST OF ALL, ONE THING I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M FRAMING THIS, UM, PROPERLY.

WHEN WE DID WHEN WE WENT OUT TO BID BACK IN 2009, 2010, AT THAT POINT WE WERE DOING A VERY SIGNIFICANT SHIFT FROM EFFECTIVELY AN OPEN MARKET TO AN EXCLUSIVE HAULER, AND WE HAD VERY LITTLE INFORMATION ON WHAT THE COMMERCIAL MARKET WAS OUT THERE INTERNALLY.

AND SO THERE WAS A REALLY BIG UNKNOWN FOR US AT THAT AT THAT TIME.

AND, UM, WHEN WE DID THAT EVALUATION.

FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE COMMERCIAL IN THAT EVALUATION AS FAR AS THE COST, THE SERVICES, YES, BUT THE ACTUAL COST WASN'T PART OF THAT EVALUATION THIS PARTICULAR TIME.

IT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE EVALUATION.

SO WE DO FEEL AS THOUGH THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM.

INCENTIVE ON THE PROPOSERS TO ENSURE THAT THEY GIVE THE MOST COMPETITIVE RATE THEY CAN FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

SO SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, WHENEVER WHEN WE DO LOOK AT THIS, JUST LIKE WE DID LAST TIME, IS THAT WE'LL CERTAINLY, UM, RELY ON THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DRAFTING THAT LANGUAGE IN A WAY THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WITH STATE LAW.

YEAH, WITH WITH THE STATE STATUTE.

AND AND THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS THAT WHEN WE DID AGAIN, WHEN WE DID THE, THE.

COMMERCIAL PROPOSAL.

LAST TIME WE ASKED FOR ONE RATE AND WE ASKED FOR A PER CUBIC YARD RATE, AND THEN THAT WAS APPLIED OVER THE COURSE OF OVER THE THE ENTIRE THING.

SO IT WAS A VERY, VERY SIMPLE FORMULA.

IT'S ONE PRICE FOR, FOR CUBIC RATE.

AND WHEREAS IN THIS PARTICULAR ROUND WE'LL BE ASKING FOR STRICTLY A PROPOSAL.

AND SO THERE IS GOING TO BE A MATRIX AND IT'S GOING TO AND IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE, THE UM, THE PROPOSERS TO ESTABLISH WHAT THAT IS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WHETHER YOU'VE GOT 2YD³ OR 10YD³, THERE'S A CUBIC YARD RATE.

AND SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WHEN WE GET THE THE PROPOSALS IN ON THIS THAT THEY COULD, UM, THEY COULD SET THEIR RATE UP SO THAT IT'S A SLIDING SCALE SO THAT IT'S THE MORE THE LARGER THE THE CONTAINER, THE LOWER THE PRICES, THE HIGHER THE FREQUENCY, THE THE LOWER THE PRICE IS.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF WHAT COULD BE COMING OUT OF THIS.

UM, BUT THE GOOD THING IS, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE INCLUDING COMMERCIAL, RIGHT IN THE EVALUATION OF THIS.

THE THE ONE CAVEAT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK ALLISON'S BACK ONLINE THAT SHE MAY WEIGH IN ON IS.

ACROSS THE INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING SOME ISSUES WITH.

VENDORS NOT BEING WILLING TO PUT PROPOSALS IN UNLESS THEY'RE GETTING THE ENTIRE CONTRACT.

SO THE SPLITTING I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THIS, BUT SPLITTING THE RESIDENTIAL AND AND COMMERCIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE UNLESS THEY CAN GET BOTH SIDES OF THOSE, WE'RE, UM, SEEING COMPANIES.

UM, YEAH.

NOT NOT NOT NECESSARILY WILLING TO PUT IN A BEST PROPOSAL.

MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF SPLITTING UP COMMERCIAL, HAVING, YOU KNOW, ONE RESIDENTIAL CONTRACT AND A SPLITTING UP COMMERCIAL, UM, THAT WE MAY RUN INTO AN ISSUE OF NOT GETTING THE MOST COMPETITIVE PROPOSALS.

SO, ALISON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE THERE, IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON ON THIS.

I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT.

YEP. AND I AM BACK ON IF EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME.

OKAY. YES, YES.

OKAY. AND I'LL JUST KIND OF ADD TO THAT THAT TO TO TROY'S POINT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FROM A BUSINESS DECISION THAT WHEN THE THE PIE IS BIGGER, IT GETS MORE ATTENTION.

SO HAVING THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL IN THERE DOES DRAW MORE COMPETITION.

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I WOULD ALSO SAY ON ON THE THE POINT ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING MULTIPLE HAULERS THAT, THAT THAT REALLY KIND OF SPLITS UP THE WORK IN A WAY THAT CAN AFFECT EFFICIENCY.

AND IF WE MAKE WORK LESS EFFICIENT OR HAVE KIND OF A LESSER ECONOMIES OF SCALE FOR THE SAKE OF COLLECTION, THAT ACTUALLY CAN HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT ON PRICE.

SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT TROY WAS SAYING EARLIER, THAT WE WE WILL HAVE COMPETITION IN THE PROCUREMENT PHASE.

WE HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION THIS TIME AROUND THAN WE DID PREVIOUSLY, SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE TRANSPARENCY IN THE RATES THAT ARE PROPOSED.

AND HAVING BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL IN THE CONTRACT MAKES IT A LOT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PROPOSERS.

AND THEY KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE COMPETITION, SO THEY WANT TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS FOR THAT COMPETITION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF REITERATE THOSE POINTS ON THE THE MULTIPLE, UM, POTENTIALLY MULTIPLE HAULERS BEING AVAILABLE FOR THE SAME SERVICE, THAT IT ACTUALLY CAN HINDER EFFICIENCY AND MAKES THE CONTRACT SMALLER.

UM, TO THE POINT ON WHAT IS, I WOULD CALL IT ILLEGAL DUMPING WHEN PEOPLE ARE BRINGING THEIR STUFF TO A BUSINESS DUMPSTER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUTTING IT THERE WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE. I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO TRY TO MAKE THIS THE HAULER, KIND OF A PARTNER FOR THE CITY.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF LOCKS, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PART OF THE CONTRACT, WHERE THE HAULER WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE KEY TO, BUT THEY CAN TO UNLOCK ENCLOSURES.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT.

BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN SEE IF THE HAULER COULD PARTNER WITH THE CITY FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND OUT WHO WAS USING A BUSINESS'S DUMPSTER.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

AND I THINK TO SOME DEGREE, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN THIS NEXT CONTRACT, THOUGH IT CAN'T FULLY SOLVE THE ILLEGAL DUMPING ISSUE.

WELL, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH ONE ONLY, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IN ORDER FOR THAT.

HOLLER TO GET MORE.

IF THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT YOU KNOW, THEN MAYBE THEY CAN LOOK INTO DOING CAMERAS THAT WOULD BE EFFICIENT FOR THESE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT CAMERAS ON THERE THEMSELVES. IF, UM, WHICH IS SOME OF THE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, OUR COPS ARE CALLED AND THEY SAID, SORRY, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING, WE DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES A PROBLEM AND YOU CAN'T YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THE BUSINESSES TO, UM, POST A GUARD OUT THERE TO WATCH THE TRASH.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER WAY.

AND SO I WOULD APPRECIATE WHATEVER BRAINSTORMING CAN BE DONE.

UM, BECAUSE I'M LISTENING TO OUR, OUR BUSINESSES WHO ARE GETTING SLAMMED.

UM, I WENT WITH THE IDEA OF THE I BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF THE A, B, OR C DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES ARE SAYING, WELL, IF AT LEAST I HAD CONTROL OVER THE CONTRACT TO SELECT WHO I WANTED, I'D HAVE A BETTER LINE.

UM. OF CONTROL.

THE BUSINESS COMPLEX WOULD HAVE A BETTER LINE OF CONTROL WITH THE HAULER, AND THERE WOULD BE MORE OF AN OBLIGATION OR A DUTY TO PERFORM BETTER FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T.

ALREADY ISSUING FOR THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CONTRACT.

I REMEMBER WHEN I SOUND LIKE, YOU KNOW.

RIGHT. UM, WE HAD ALL ALL SERVICE, RIGHT? THE BROWN TRUCKS, THEY WERE HERE WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

AND WE HAD OTHER DIVIDED UP SERVICES.

UM, SO IT WORKS FOR TIME.

IT DIDN'T WORK FOR A TIME.

WE WENT THROUGH THE, THE MANY TO GO DOWN TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR EXCLUSIVE AND THEN KEPT WHAT WE DID WITH COMMERCIAL, BUT THERE SEEMS TO STILL BE SOME. WE'RE NOT AT THAT HAPPY MEDIUM YET.

UM, SOME OF THE ARGUMENT FOR GOING WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE COMMERCIAL IS TO ALLOW THOSE SMALL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVE THEMSELVES, TO GET THE EXPERIENCE. YOU KNOW, I FIND OUR WORLD A LITTLE FUNNY, PARTLY A LITTLE HYPOCRITICAL.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT HELPING THE SMALL BUSINESS AND ONE BREATH AND THEN THE NEXT BREATH WE DON'T.

WE TALK ABOUT WANTING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE SERVICES HERE, BUT BIG IS TOO BAD OR BAD AS BIG AS GOOD, RIGHT? IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE CONTEXT OF WHAT SUBJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW.

YOU MIGHT WIND UP STILL BEING THAT THEY'LL SELECT THE MAJOR HAULER, THE ONE HAULER, OR, UM.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GO WITH AN EXCUSE.

THEY WANT AN EXCLUSIVE VERSUS NOT.

AND I WOULD SAY TO ANYBODY WHO WOULD NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR RFP BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT ALL VERSUS HAVE SOME AND SPREAD THE WEALTH, THEN MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS MODEL WE WANT. I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT REALLY.

YOU KNOW A LOGGERHEAD ON THIS ONE? I'M JUST SHARING.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL WAYS TO THINK ABOUT IT, GET THE INFORMATION, THEN COME BACK AND LET US DECIDE.

SO IF I MAY JUMP IN AGAIN.

SURE. UM, ONE THING ON THE THE POINT ABOUT WITH THE LOCKS AND MAYBE CAMERAS, I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA FOR US TO ADD INTO THE RFP, AND I WILL

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A QUESTION TO THE PROPOSERS OF HOW WOULD YOU HELP SOLVE THIS AND LET THAT BE PART OF THEIR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN SO WE CAN ALLOW THE HAULERS TO HELP.

BRAINSTORMING. UM, BACK ON THE ISSUE OF MULTIPLE HAULERS FOR THE SERVICE.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT WE ASK FOR PRICE AS PART OF THIS RFP, AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CUSTOMER BASE IS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PRICE IT.

SO IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE TO LEAVE COMMERCIAL IN IN SOME WAY, BUT STILL ALLOW FOR MORE THAN ONE HAULER BECAUSE THEIR THEIR PRICE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON HOW MANY CUSTOMERS THEY HAVE.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN THIS RFP PROCESS TO MULTIPLE HAULERS ON COMMERCIAL.

UNDERSTOOD. OR MAYBE IT'S JUST TWO VERSUS THREE.

BUT ONE THING BACK ON THE, UM, THE CAMERAS AND THE, UM, LOCKS AND STUFF, THAT ALSO GOES FOR OUR COMMERCIAL, OUR MULTI MULTI FAMILY. YEAH. PLEASE.

BECAUSE SOME OF OUR MULTI FAMILY IS WIDE OPEN AND I KNOW OF SOME PROBLEMS IN A COUPLE OF OUR DISTRICTS THAT ARE HAVING THAT ISSUE WHERE PEOPLE COME OFF A TURNPIKE AND DUMP IT INTO A CERTAIN PLACE OR THEY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

SO IT'S NOT JUST FOR COMMERCIAL, IT'S FOR THE MULTI AS WELL.

PLEASE, MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY, UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH UM, WITH ALLISON AND IN TERMS OF THE COMPLICATIONS THAT WOULD COME WITH MULTIPLE PROVIDERS.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED IS IN THE EVALUATION PROCESS ASKING FOR, UM, THE PRICING ON THE RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY AND THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND INCLUDE THEM IN THE EVALUATION PROCESS SO THAT THE PROPOSERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, SUBSIDIZING THE RESIDENTIAL RATES BY, UM, JUMPING UP THE COMMERCIAL RATES SO THAT WE LOOK AT THEM BOTH AS A, AS A, AS A, UM, COHESIVE NUMBER.

UM, I GUESS WHAT THE RENTALS COLLECTIONS PLUS RENTALS IS.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I PULLED THIS UP, THE, UH, THE COST EVALUATION AND WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, PREVIOUSLY AS WELL AS PART OF THE RFP WORDING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THAT WHATEVER THEIR PRICE PROPOSALS ARE, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, REGIONAL MARKETPLACE.

SO, SO THEIR COSTS WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN BROWARD COUNTY AND SOUTH FLORIDA.

SO THERE ISN'T. SO WE DON'T SEE SOMEBODY SPIKING ONE AREA.

AND AND LIKE YOU SAID, SUBSIDIZING ANOTHER ONE WITH, UH, WITH ANOTHER AREA.

AND AGAIN, SHOWING HOW WE'VE GOT THE EVALUATION HERE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, AND IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, CLEAR WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND WHAT WE'RE EVALUATING.

AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF BALANCE, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WOULD EITHER WOULD, UH, CAUSE US TO MOVE PAST THAT VENDOR OR HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO, UM.

TO SORT THAT OUT.

YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE DO WHEN WE'VE GOT UNBALANCED BIDS.

AND MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING IN TERMS OF THE CAMERAS AND OTHER MEASURES FOR FOR PROTECTION OF THOSE SITES.

UM, THE SITES THAT WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS ARE REALLY VERY FEW.

AND SO LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND HOW WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM ON OUR OWN.

UH, AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THOSE, UM, EITHER COMMUNITIES OR, UH, PLAZAS SO THAT WE DON'T BURDEN OUR CONTRACT WITH, WITH, UM, SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL LIABILITIES, RESPONSIBILITIES AND COMPLICATIONS.

I HAVE SIX OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT A FEW IS, BUT OFF THE TOP.

RIGHT. SO JUST I HEARD IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAMERAS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PER SITE, MAYBE $50 A MONTH.

AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT I BELIEVE MOST OF THOSE COMMUNITIES CAN AFFORD.

AND WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT SOME OF SOME OF SOME PROGRAMS TO LOOK AT, SOME PROGRAMS THAT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T JUMP SO FAR TO SAY SOME OF THEM CAN AFFORD IT.

REMEMBER, WE'RE DEALING WITH AN INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW BEING SLAMMED BY RESERVES AND INSURANCE.

SO WHAT WE MIGHT THINK IS.

NOT SO MUCH.

WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING INTO A BUDGET AND YOU'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH STORAGE AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH CERTAIN THINGS LIKE STORAGE OF.

DATA. IT MAY NOT BE SO LITTLE, SO.

BUT APPRECIATE YOU LOOK INTO IT.

UM. OKAY, SO.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

UM, AT THE REMAX OFFICE ON COMMERCIAL, WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS PUTTING A FENCE LINK CHAIN, CHAIN? CHAIN LINK FENCE RIGHT ABOVE IT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THE KEY OR THE LOCK CODE YOU COULDN'T GET IN.

CAN SOMEONE THROW SOMETHING AND PUT IT ON TOP OF THE FENCE? YES. THE LECTERNS? NO. ONCE THEY SAW THAT, IT WAS, UH, COVERED WITH A FENCE.

EVERYBODY THAT WAS DUMPING STUFF, THEY JUST STOPPED.

SO JUST A SUGGESTION.

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HEARD SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE AND THEY'LL STILL THROW THEIR STUFF OVER THAT FENCE.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING IN SOME OF THE LOCATIONS, BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK NOTHING ABOUT HEAVE HO.

IS THAT ON MY PROPERTY? I DON'T CARE ANYMORE.

AND NOW HERE COMES THE HAULER THAT NEEDS TO GET THROUGH THE JUNK THAT HAS BEEN BLOCKING THE ENTRYWAY OR THE RATS AND ICK, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS DEVELOPED ON THE STUFF THAT'S THERE AND, UM, THE FOOD AND THE PARCELS AND STUFF.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE.

IF IT WORKED FOR YOUR PLACE.

GREAT. I CAN TELL YOU FROM ONE OF THE OTHER PLACES IT HAS NOT WORKED THAT I'VE TRIED IT SO.

BUT YOU'RE LOOKING INTO IT.

THERE WAS NO OTHER CONSENSUS THAT YOU NEEDED FROM US.

IS THAT CORRECT? DID YOU GET ALL THAT YOU NEED BEFORE WE LEAVE? YES. I FEEL WE'RE GOOD.

I THINK I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE, FOR THE COMMERCIAL HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN GOOD.

AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH.

BETWEEN PURCHASING AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS PART OF IT, BUT I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP ANYWAY BECAUSE I SENT AN EMAIL.

UM, HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE.

YES. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, RIGHT? IT DOES NOT.

IT IS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS OFTEN INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSALS.

I FEEL REALLY CONFIDENT WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, SO I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD IT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WELL, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

CONCERN HAS COME FROM PEOPLE WHO OBSERVE THE SABBATH FOR SOME, A COUPLE, A FEW RELIGIONS HAVE ACTUALLY, SABBATH IS SATURDAY, NOT SUNDAY.

AND WE ARE A GROWING COMMUNITY OF VARYING RELIGIONS, RIGHT? AND WE ARE LEAVING THEM OUT OF THE ABILITY TO DISPOSE OF THEIR HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD WASTE.

SO IF WE CANNOT CHANGE THE DATE OF THE MAJOR DROP OFF, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING A DROP OFF TIME.

JUST TAMARAC RESIDENTS ONLY UM, ONCE A QUARTER AS WELL, SEPARATELY ON A SUNDAY OR ON ANOTHER.

JUST PUTTING IT INTO YOUR CONVERSATION.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

JUST SPITBALLING HERE.

SORRY THAT THAT MAY BE MADE EARLIER.

SO MAYBE WE I MEAN THAT JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THE SUNDAY AHEAD OF THE EVENT TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME BRING THEIR STUFF AND THEN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS WAY YOU CAN ALL PUT IT TOGETHER WITH WHERE IT IS AT THAT LOCATION AND THEN.

YEAH. YEAH.

BECAUSE BECAUSE IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.

THERE'S, THERE'S SOME VERY SPECIFIC, UM, EPA, UM, REGULATIONS REGARDING STORING THAT, THAT MATERIAL.

OKAY. UM, BUT BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT COLLECTIVELY WE HAVE LOOKED AT.

SCHEDULING SUNDAY EVENTS AND AND THAT HASN'T WORKED WITH THE PRIMARILY WITH, WITH THE HAULER.

UM, OR WITH THAT WITH THAT CONTRACTOR.

UM, BUT THERE'S THERE'S ROOM FOR US TO, TO LOOK AT, AT DOING SOMETHING TO HELP MEET THAT NEED.

AND WE COULD ALWAYS TELL THE HAULER, IT'S 2024.

IT'S TIME TO REMEMBER IF WE'RE ALL WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AT SOME POINT IN TIME OR SIX DAYS A WEEK WITH A FLOATING WHATEVER DAY OFF.

OKAY. BUT YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.

THANK YOU. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT ONLY TOOK US TO 320 IN ORDER TO GET YOUR ITEM DONE.

ALL RIGHT. WE STILL.

I JUST WAIT. WHAT? WELL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THAT WE HAVE HIT THIS HOPE.

I DIDN'T HIT SOMEBODY WITH THE LASER.

UH, SO THE RECYCLING AGAIN.

AGAIN. THIS THIS IS THE ITEM THAT IS ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU ON ON WEDNESDAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE, UM, THAT WE TOUCH THIS.

SO THIS IS APPROVING THE RECYCLING PROCESSING FEE.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT FALLS UNDER THE CATEGORY.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. THAT'S THE COST TO DO RECYCLING RIGHT NOW.

SO WE REALLY NEED TO APPROVE THAT RATE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE PROCESSING OR RECYCLING THE DECISION OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH RECYCLING DOWN THE ROAD IS STILL SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DECIDE INDEPENDENT OF THIS, BUT THIS IS THE COST OF DOING THAT.

AND SO THAT'S BEFORE YOU GUYS, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON WEDNESDAY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU APPROVE THAT.

AND IT'S SO WE'RE BEING ASKED THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE 162, WE IF WE FAIL TO HAVE A TON OF RECYCLABLE MATERIAL, THE CITY HAS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.

NO, THAT MEANS IT.

WHAT? WHAT IT IS IS THAT IT'S WHATEVER THE AVERAGE MARKET VALUE OF THAT MATERIAL IS.

AND SO, UM, UH, RIGHT NOW IN THIS EXAMPLE THAT, THAT I'VE GOT UP HERE, THE AVERAGE MARKET VALUE FOR RECYCLABLE MATERIALS IN UH, IN NOVEMBER WAS $62.

AND SO THE PROCESSING FEE IS $162.

AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE.

SO THE, THE THE FINAL COST OF PROCESSING RECYCLING IS $162.

AND SO WE GET THE BENEFIT OF WHATEVER THE VALUE OF THAT IS, IS EFFECTIVELY A CREDIT.

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BACK TO THAT. AND HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THE IF THE VALUE OF RECYCLING WAS EVER GREATER THAN $162, THEN THEN THERE WAS A MECHANISM TO SHARE THE, THE, THE EXCESS REVENUE THAT BETWEEN US AND THE AND THE AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS TO TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE RECYCLE MORE.

IS THAT THE MIND FRAME IF EVERYBODY RECYCLES MORE? UH, YEAH.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE THE THE RATE.

UM. RIGHT NOW, THE.

RECYCLED THE WRITERS RECYCLE PLANT.

UM, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MAJOR SITE.

AND SO THEY THEY'VE THIS IS THE RATE THAT THEY'VE ESTABLISHED.

THIS IS WHO WE HAVE BEEN USING.

UM, THIS IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, AN EXTENSION OF THAT CONTRACT.

AND THIS IS THE RATE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE CHARGING.

UM, I CAN'T GIVE ANY MORE RATIONALE THAN THAT OTHER THAN THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THEIR THAT'S THEIR STATED COST OF BUSINESS.

UM, THE, THE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE PART OF THAT AGREEMENT, WE ARE ACTUALLY THE LAST ONES TO APPROVE IT.

THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE APPROVED IT SO FAR ARE CORAL SPRINGS, LAUDERDALE BY THE SEA, LAUDERDALE LAKES, LAUDERHILL, LIGHTHOUSE POINT, OAKLAND PARK, PEMBROKE PARK PLANTATION, WILTON MANORS, AND FORT LAUDERDALE.

WE'RE ALL THE ONES THAT USE THAT, THAT PARTICULAR CONTRACT.

AND, UM, THAT IS THAT IS THE RATE RIGHT NOW THAT IS BEING CHARGED FOR PROCESSING, RECYCLING AND CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS CONTINUED RECYCLING PROGRAM.

RESIDENT SUPPORT FOR RECYCLING REMAINS STRONG, DIFFICULTY RESTARTING RECYCLING PROGRAM AND THIS CAN BE REVISITED STARTING SEPTEMBER 2024.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTIONS.

EVERYBODY ELSE APPEARS TO BE AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RON.

WHILE YOU CAN, UH, QUICK, QUICK QUESTION.

UM, ARE YOU MISSED YOUR OPPORTUNITY? I GAVE IT TO YOU.

YOU MISSED IT. OUR RECYCLING CONTRACT.

YOU'RE NOW RECOGNIZED, VICE MAYOR.

OUR RECYCLING CONTRACT ENDED OR, UM.

OR IS IT GOING TO END IT? ACTUALLY, IT IT IT, UM, TURNED OVER IN, UH, JULY AND, AND AND SO, UM.

WASTE MANAGEMENT REDID THE RATE IN OCTOBER, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CATCHING UP TO THAT.

BUT THAT BUT THE BUT THE THE RECYCLING THE AGREEMENT.

RENEWED IN JULY.

AND WE'VE GOT THAT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE RENEWAL.

AND SO WE JUST NEED TO AUTHORIZE THE, THE, THE RATE THAT'S BEING CHARGED.

SO IF I MAY JUST CLARIFY, IT'S NOT FOR COLLECTION SERVICES, IT'S JUST FOR TIPPING FEES.

RIGHT. THIS IS JUST AT THE AT THE PROCESSING PLANT.

OKAY. UM, AND THEN JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP COMMERCIAL IN THE RFP.

YEAH. COMMERCIAL WILL STAY IN THE IN THE RFP.

OKAY. SO SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK FOR DIFFERENT PROVIDERS TO PICK UP COMMERCIAL AT DIFFERENT PLACES.

NO IT'S GOING TO IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THAT THAT THAT WE DO ONE.

ONE RFP FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE EVALUATION, THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDED REGARDING THE EVALUATION CRITERIA AND BREAKING OUT THE THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR RECYCLING AND BULK.

SO WE'LL INCORPORATE ALL THAT INTO THE RFP.

OKAY. SO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY IS NOT IS NOT UM, RENEWING A CONTRACT.

BUT IT IS IT IS LOOKING AT THE TIPPING FEES.

CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY.

AND THE AND IS THIS AN INCREASE? UM, THESE RATES ARE INCREASING.

IT IS AN INCREASE.

OKAY. BY HOW MUCH? BY HOW MUCH PERCENT.

BY ABOUT BY PERCENT.

UH, IT WAS, UH, JUST OVER $100.

SO ROUGHLY A 60% INCREASE.

66 ZERO.

YEAH. MM.

SO FROM $100 TO ABOUT 162.

MM. WHY SO MUCH? THAT. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT OTHER THAN THIS IS THIS IS THE THIS IS THE PROVIDER.

UM, THAT IS AVAILABLE.

THIS IS THE RATE THAT THEY'RE CHARGING.

I KNOW THAT PART OF THE, UM.

PART OF THE RATIONALE THAT'S THAT'S COMMUNICATED IS THAT THERE THERE WAS SOME PRICE CONTROLS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

UM, AND JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER SECTOR OF THE ECONOMY THAT THEY'RE SEEING, UH, VASTLY INCREASED PRICES.

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AND SO THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT.

OKAY. I WISH I HAD A BETTER ANSWER THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S.

BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER. GOT IT.

THANK YOU. RON, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SWIFTLY MOVING TO THE NEXT TOPIC IS 1D SELECTION OF THE VICE MAYOR, PRESENTED BY KIMBERLY DILLON, OUR CITY CLERK.

[1.d Selection of the Vice Mayor Presented by Kimberly Dillon, City Clerk]

GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS.

KIMBERLY GELIN, FOR THE RECORD.

UM, BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON IS A ROUTINE ITEM PER OUR CITY CODE.

UH, ON A YEARLY BASIS, A VICE MAYOR MUST BE SELECTED.

AND SO THIS AFTERNOON, BEFORE YOU, I'M LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS FROM THIS BODY TO SELECT AN INDIVIDUAL TO SERVE FOR THE 23, 24 YEAR FOR VICE MAYOR. THIS ITEM IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY FOR FORMAL SELECTION.

I MEAN, FOR FORMAL ADOPTION.

SORRY. AND SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO ADD INTO THAT RESOLUTION.

ALRIGHTY, SO WE KNOW COMMISSIONER OF.

WELL, HE'LL BE BACK AT COMMISSIONER BOLTON IN A MINUTE.

UM, AND MYSELF CANNOT BE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. UH, ON THE FUND SIDE, UH, IF MY COLLEAGUES CAN GIVE ME A HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

AND, UH, SERIOUS SIDE, UH, CONSIDERING THAT MYSELF AND, UH, VICE MAYOR BOLTON ARE THE SENIORS IN THIS COMMISSION, UM, AND BOTH JUNIORS ON THIS COMMISSION WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, UH, THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND THE YEAR TO FOLLOW THAT.

UM, WE KNOW IT'S A VERY CEREMONIAL PROCESS IN THE EVENT THAT THE MAYOR IS NOT AVAILABLE.

UH, THE VICE MAYOR DOES TAKE THAT POSITION.

AND CONSIDERING THAT I'M THE NEXT SENIOR PERSON ON THIS COMMISSION, I'M JUST PUTTING MY MY NAME ON THE HAT FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS A VERY CEREMONIAL POSITION BECAUSE THIS MAYOR IS, UM, VERY MUCH A CONTROL FREAK AND DOES NOT ACTUALLY GIVE UP THE GAVEL.

SO IT WAS THAT.

ANYWAY, SO.

UM. I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY ELSE TURNED OVER.

I NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE.

COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. UH, MADAM MAYOR, I'LL, UH, I'LL NOMINATE MYSELF.

UM, I THINK, UH, I'VE BEEN, UM, ACCOMMODATING TO MY COLLEAGUES.

I SUPPORTED MY MY GOOD FRIEND, VICE MAYOR BOLTON FOR THE BROWARD LEAGUE OF CITIES, SUPPORTED MY MY FRIEND, UH, DOCTOR DANIELS FOR THE MPO.

AND WHEN COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS SHOUTED THAT HE WAS BEING STIFLED, I GAVE UP MY, UH, HOUSING COMMITTEE, UM, APPOINTMENT, AND I MADE SURE THAT HE GOT A COMMITTEE.

IN ADDITION, YOU GOT THE WAYS TO SOLID WASTE, UM, COMMISSION.

UH, COMMITTEE. SO I'VE BEEN A UNIFIER.

I'VE BEEN, UM, A TEAM PLAYER.

AND I THINK IN YOUR FIRST YEAR, YOU GOT NOMINATED AS VICE MAYOR, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE MORE SENIOR PEOPLE IN THE POSITION.

VICE MAYOR BOLTON, THE MAYOR AND OUR FORMER COMMISSIONER GELIN GAVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN YOU FIRST GOT ELECTED.

SO I THINK I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR.

I'VE LEARNED A LOT. AND I THINK IN SERVING A VICE MAYOR POSITION, I'LL I'LL LEARN A LITTLE MORE.

COMMISSIONER DANIEL WATTS.

IS THERE A CYCLE? I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WHEN IT WAS ALLEGEDLY MY TURN, BUT I WAS NEW AND I DIDN'T WANT IT.

I WANTED TO LEARN A POSITION.

WHERE IS THERE A CYCLE OR NO? OR CAN WE MAKE A HISTORY OF THIS WAS ACTUALLY IT WAS BY THE COMMISSION'S DETERMINATION AS TO WHOM THEY WOULD THOUGHT WOULD BE THE NEXT PERSON, THE BEST PERSON TO FILL IN FOR THE MAYOR IF NEED BE.

IT WAS NOT A SIMPLE ROTATION.

IT WAS MORE OF AN HONORARY POSITION BY THE COMMISSION.

UM, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK BACK AT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT KIMBERLEY DID WRITE UP AND I DID LOOK AT IT, THERE'S SOME.

THERE'S THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THE POSITIONS.

ALTERED FREQUENTLY IN A MATTER OF A YEAR OR TWO.

UM, IT'S NOT HAPPENING AGAIN.

PEOPLE WERE REMOVED FROM OFFICE AND IT HAD TO TAKE CARE OF CHANGING THINGS AND PEOPLE.

YEAH, WE CAN.

OKAY. I WAS JUST TRYING NOT TO DIRTY LAUNDRY.

SO THE FACT THAT IT DIDN'T GO 12312341234 AND THEN PART OF THE THING WITH ELECTIONS.

THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN NEXT IN LINE IN AN ELECTION FOR THEIR ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, BUT THEY WERE NOT REELECTED.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK.

AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DO KNOW THAT YOU CAN HAVE BACK TO BACK.

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SO WE HAVE ONE.

WE HAVE TWO, THREE AND FOUR ARE AVAILABLE FOR CERTAIN.

THEREFORE, THERE IS NO CYCLE.

IT'S TOO HARD. IT HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE ABILITY TO DO A CYCLE.

BUT THE SAME LOGIC WILL GO FOR ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? ANY OTHER BOARDS WE'RE ON? YOU MIGHT NOT GET REELECTED.

RIGHT. WELL, EXACTLY.

BUT IT'S IT'S WE'VE TRIED TO DO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, BUT WE FOUND IT HASN'T WORKED.

AND SO IT WINDS UP BEING SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST IN THE MIND FRAME WAS, WELL, I WANT TO BE THE VICE MAYOR BEFORE I RUN FOR REELECTION.

SO IF YOU'RE USING THAT MIND FRAME.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS BETWEEN OTHER PEOPLE PRIOR TO THIS COMMISSION.

UM. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IS GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR REELECTION AS HE MORE OR LESS ALLUDED TO.

IF HE'S NOT HERE, HE'LL NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

WHEREAS YOURSELF JUST SAID HE HAD IT BEFORE.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE WON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. THE MIND FRAME IS WHETHER OR NOT EITHER ONE OF THE 2 OR 4 DESIRE TO BE VICE MAYOR RIGHT BEFORE THEIR ELECTION YEAR.

YOU CAN'T DO IT BACK TO BACK.

YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE DOING PLANNING.

I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE CONSIDER.

WHEN THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO RUN, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT THIS POSITION NOW OR THEY WANT TO WAIT A YEAR.

SO I'LL GIVE I'LL GIVE MY VOTE WITH COMMISSIONER.

RIGHT. OKAY.

BUT I THINK WE COULD HAVE AN ORDER TO NOT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IF THE CITY HAVE YOU.

RIGHT. YOU'VE SEEN THE LIST THAT YOU PUT IN HERE.

SO IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE ORDER ON IT RIGHT NOW, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WOULD BE IT? SO, UH, MAYOR GOMEZ, AS YOU'VE STATED THAT IN THE PAST, UH, IT COULD BE FOR THE FUTURE, BECAUSE I'M ALREADY I ALREADY SAID WHAT I CHOSE.

OKAY, SO WE COULD.

IRRELEVANT. BUT I'M JUST BECAUSE I WENT LOOKING THROUGH IT AS WELL YESTERDAY TO.

SO. I HAVE DRINKS IN FRONT OF ME.

UM, ONE. THE SOON TO NOT BE VICE MAYOR BOLTON.

UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SERVE AS VICE MAYOR.

I THINK FLORIDA STATUTE .000.1 SAYS AT LEAST HE'S ADMITTED ON THE RECORD THAT HE MAKES HIS POOP UP.

RIGHT. UM, SO, SO, SO QUICK, QUICK QUESTION.

UM, WHEN I CAME HERE, I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS A ROTATION.

UH, AND THEN AT SOME POINT SOMETIME I WAS TOLD THAT WE NEVER IT WAS A ROTATION, BUT WE DIDN'T FOLLOW IT.

UH, AND I WAS TRYING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ROTATIONS AND, UM.

I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT.

YOU KNOW WHAT WAS BEING DONE.

UM, SO TO YOUR RECOLLECTION, KIM AND YOUR OFFICE, WAS THERE EVER A ROTATION? SO, UM, VICE MAYOR, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A ROTATION.

BUT AS MAYOR GOMEZ STATED, THERE ARE POINTS IN TIME WHERE INDIVIDUALS WERE, UM, EJECTED FROM THE COMMISSION.

I ALSO REMEMBER ON BASED ON MEMORY, I WAS NOT THE CITY CLERK THEN, BUT IN 2016 WHEN YOU CAME ON.

ALSO COMMISSIONER FISHMAN AT THE TIME, UM, YOU IT WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ALONG THE LINE THAT BOTH OF YOU WERE NEW TO THE COMMISSION.

AND SO THERE WAS ANOTHER SELECTION THAT WAS MADE IN.

THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THE ROTATION.

IT WAS, IT WAS. IT WAS MY TURN.

BUT I WAS SKIPPED. AND LISTEN, I'M I'M I'M OVER IT.

UM, NOW, I MEAN, AT THAT TIME, I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING A VICE MAYOR WAS, YOU KNOW, HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL.

YOU HAD A MAGIC WAND.

AND LIKE, I QUICKLY FOUND OUT THAT, UH, YOU DON'T.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN YOU WALK INTO MEETINGS, UM, SOME OF OUR SENIORS SAY, OH, YOU ARE THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT.

AND I'M LIKE, OH, HELL NO, I'M NOT.

OH, YES, IT IT DOES.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE TITLE FOR ME IS NOT VERY, LIKE, APPEALING ANYMORE.

UM, I MEAN, FOR ME ALSO, I NEVER WANTED ON AN ELECTION YEAR, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO IN, IN THE PAST WANTED TO HAVE IT ON AN ELECTION YEAR.

I THINK LIKE ON AN ELECTION YEAR, PEOPLE, UM, GET CONFUSED.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, SO YOU'RE VICE MAYOR AND YOU'RE RUNNING FOR COMMISSIONER.

HOW'S THAT POSSIBLE? AND THEN LAST, I THINK IT WAS AS LATE AS LAST WEEK.

UM, I WAS AT CAPITOLA PARK, AND THEN I JUST SIMPLY SAID, OKAY, I'M VICE MAYOR FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.

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AND LITERALLY LIKE TEN PEOPLE CAME UP TO ME HUGGING ME.

ARE YOU REALLY LEAVING? TAMARAC I'M LIKE, NO, I'M NOT.

YOU KNOW, I'M I'M JUST NOW NO LONGER GOING TO BE VICE MAYOR.

I'M GOING TO BE A COMMISSIONER STILL.

SO SO PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

SO IT NEEDS TO NUMBER ONE, BE AN UNDERSTANDING.

AND NUMBER TWO, WITH WITH THIS TODAY WE REALLY SHOULD LOOK AT OR TRASH OUT UM, A ROTATION GOING FORWARD TO TAKE THE GUESSING OUT, OUT OUT OF IT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE GUESSING, UM, WHO VICE MAYOR SHOULD BE.

I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE POLITICAL.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SKIPPING PEOPLE BECAUSE I WAS SKIPPED, AND IT AND IT DIDN'T FEEL GOOD.

UM, YOU KNOW.

SO. SAY IT ON THE RECORD.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD ON THE RECORD AND WHAT YOU DID TO JULIE.

UM, BUT WE WON'T GO THERE.

YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT DIDN'T FEEL GOOD AGAIN.

I GOT OVER IT. I'VE SERVED AS VICE MAYOR, I THINK, TWICE.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD FEELING TO TO HAVE SERVED TWICE AS VICE MAYOR IN YOUR TIME HERE.

UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GET TO SERVE.

I DON'T THINK JULIE FISHMAN GOT TO SERVE.

YEAH. SO HOW'S THAT? YEAH. SO, UM, YOU KNOW.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT A ROTATION, UM, GOING FORWARD.

SO IF, IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE, UM, COMMISSIONER.

RIGHT. UM.

TODAY. WHO GETS IT NEXT? IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS TODAY.

UM, WHO GETS IT NEXT? UM, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY? WE CAN WRITE ITS COMMISSION'S PREROGATIVE.

THE AGENDA ITEM TODAY IS, IS, UM, FOR IDENTIFYING THE VICE MAYOR, UH, FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

IT IS FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

IT IS ALSO I WILL BE THE REMINDER THAT WE HAVE FOR FOR ITEMS. FIVE ITEMS LEFT TO DISCUSS.

SO IF IT'S ADDED ON TO LENGTHEN THIS CONVERSATION FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WHICH IS ALSO SUBJECT TO CHANGE, THEN JUST KEEPING IN MIND THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS FOR THE REST OF TODAY.

SO, UM.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, TO VICE MAYOR'S POINT.

UM, YES. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PROCESS.

UH, IT JUST MAKES IT SMOOTHER.

UH, IT JUST MAKES IT MORE COLLEGIAL AND MORE COMFORTABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, SO CONSIDERING THAT, UH, IT IS MY ELECTION YEAR.

UH, I DO, WHERE THE VICE MAYOR ROWE AND I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUS.

UM, IN A MANNER OF, YOU KNOW, RESPECT AND AND THE ACTUAL TITLE ITSELF.

UH, FROM THERE, SINCE I AM THE DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER, UH, WOULD BE DISTRICT FOUR.

AND THEN, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT WILL BE RIDING WITH VICE MAYOR ON HIS ELECTION YEAR.

SO IN LOOKING AT IF TO DO A SCHEDULE.

RIGHT. IF IT'S.

WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IN THE.

YEARS BETWEEN THE ELECTIONS.

RIGHT. SO TWO FOREIGN MAYOR ARE ALWAYS ON GOVERNOR YEARS.

AND 1 IN 3 ARE ALWAYS ON PRESIDENTIAL YEARS.

SO IF THE VICE MAYOR ROLE IS IN BETWEEN THOSE YEARS.

RIGHT NOW IT'S 1 IN 3 BETWEEN THE ELECTIONS OF TWO.

2022 WAS AN ELECTION YEAR FOR TWO FOR MAYOR.

SO THEN THE NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS THIS YEAR, DISTRICT ONE WAS 2020 IS 2023.

IF THE NEXT YEAR IS 2024, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE ODD NUMBERS.

SO IT WOULD BE THREE IF YOU GO INTO RIGHT AFTER THAT.

BETWEEN THE ELECTIONS RUNNING UP TO THE PRESIDENTIAL YEARS FOR TWO FOUR AND MAYOR, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE TWO AND FOUR.

WHETHER IT'S 4 OR 2, TWO AND FOUR COULD BE SOMETHING DETERMINED.

BECAUSE THEN YOU KNOW YOUR SEATS ARE SAFE.

LOOKING AT THE FACES.

LET ME TRY THIS A DIFFERENT WAY.

IF YOU DO ONE THREE, TWO 4 OR 3 142 ON A ROTATION BASIS, YOU ARE POSSIBLY MORE SAFE TO HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE VICE MAYOR DURING ONE PART OF THEIR ROTATION IN OFFICE.

BECAUSE. THE PEOPLE THAT.

YOU WON'T BE LOSING YOUR SEAT IN OFFICE, RIGHT?

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SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS.

JULIE WOUND UP NOT BEING ABLE TO BE VICE MAYOR BECAUSE SHE LOST HER ELECTION RIGHT BEFORE SHE WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY BEEN IN ON THE ROTATION THAT WE HAD.

SO YOU ARE SAFE.

TWO AND FOUR ARE SAFE FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS AFTER IN BETWEEN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RUNNING FOR ELECTION UNTIL 2026.

LET'S SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIN YOUR ELECTION OR THAT.

VICE MAYOR WHEN HIS ELECTION.

BUT THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS, DURING THE YEARS BETWEEN THE EVEN NUMBERS AND THE ODD NUMBERS FOR DISTRICTS IS WHEN THE REVERSE DISTRICTS SHOULD BE IN THE VICE MAYOR ROLE.

MAKING ANY MORE SENSE? I'M BETTER OFF WITH A PIECE OF PAPER AND A PEN, RIGHT? I MEAN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, WITH YOUR WITH THE ROTATION.

UM, HOWEVER, WHERE WHERE ALL OF US IS CONCERNED, I'VE SERVED ALREADY, AND, UM, ALVIN HAS SERVED ALREADY, SO IT IT DOESN'T THE JULIE SITUATION DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY SERVED.

I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THAT.

WHAT? I'M. I WAS ASKED FOR WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DO ROTATIONS.

RIGHT. IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO SHOW.

I'LL SHOW. SO HERE'S 2023 ONE THEN THREE AND 2420.

AND THEN THERE'S AN ELECTION HERE THAT AFFECTS 1 IN 3.

YOU GUYS ARE ALL BOTH AFFECTED IN THE 24 ELECTION.

25 AND 26, TWO AND 4 OR 4 AND TWO.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

ARE SAFE TO RUN FOR THE MEETING THE VICE MAYOR BECAUSE YOU DON'T RUN FOR REELECTION UNTIL THE END OF 26.

WE'RE THEN GOING INTO THE 27 YEAR.

1 IN 3 ARE SAFE BECAUSE YOU JUST GOT REELECTED.

AND THEN IT JUST ROTATES ON AND ON.

SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A METHODOLOGY AGAIN, I DON'T CARE WHO'S 4 OR 2, 3 OR 1, JUST TRYING TO SHOW NUMBERS.

I HEAR YOU. BUT IT WOULDN'T IT WOULD KICK.

SO MY POINT IS IT WOULD.

BUT THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WAS NOT A MATTER OF I HEAR YOU RIGHT.

THE QUESTION WAS ASKED OF WHAT WE COULD DO IN A PROCEDURAL BASIS TO MAKE SOMETHING SIMPLE ON A ROTATION.

GOMEZ I FIGURED THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE IN BETWEEN ELECTIONS.

IF I MAY, MY MAYOR GOMEZ, COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION HERE? SINCE WE'RE STARTING, VICE MAYOR IS CURRENTLY SERVING AND HE'S IN DISTRICT ONE, WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE WITH THAT LINE GOING FORWARD? SO DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR, AND THEN WE START THAT ROTATION.

BECAUSE IF WE DO THAT.

THERE'S THE DISTRICT THREE WHO MOVES IN.

NO. HERE'S THE HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.

USING IT IN LOGICALLY DISTRICT THREE.

RIGHT. UM, IF DISTRICT THREE WOULD THEN GO IN 20.

I WANT TO WRITE DOWN HERE WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

SO IT WOULD BE TWO, THREE, FOUR.

WHAT HAPPENS IF IN, UM.

WHAT HAPPENS IF ALVIN DOESN'T WIN HIS ELECTION? THEN YOU HAVE A NEW THREE.

FOR, UM.

AND THEN ONE AGAIN.

I DON'T KNOW, IT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK, BUT, UH, SANE.

WELL, COMMISSIONER KEEPING IT ON THE TIME WHEN IT'S OPPOSITE.

I THINK COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS SAYING VICE MAYOR BOLTON WAS SAYING WAS, HOW CAN WE DO IT MOVING FORWARD, ALLOWING ALL THREE OF US TO PARTICIPATE IN THE VICE MAYOR ROLE? THAT'S WHY. AND THAT'S MY SUGGESTION, WAS I PUT MYSELF BECAUSE IN 2025, UH, COMMISSIONER DANIEL OR COMMISSIONER WRIGHT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND IN 2026, VICE VERSA.

CORRECT. ALLOWING ALL THREE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION TO DO THAT IN A VERY REASONABLE AND AMICABLE WAY.

UM, YOU'VE HAD IT BEFORE.

SO. BUT, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, UH, YOU'VE SERVED BEFORE.

THAT'S THE REASON I'VE IF YOU HAD IF YOU DIDN'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE PUT UP MYSELF FOR NOMINATION.

BUT YOU SERVED BEFORE AND MADAM MAYOR YOU'RE THE MICHAEL JORDAN, THE VICE MAYOR.

YOU ARE YOU ARE VICE MAYOR FOUR TIMES IN EIGHT YEARS.

WELL, EXACTLY. BUT REMEMBER, I HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE REMOVED FROM OFFICE, AND IT WAS A SELECTION OF WHAT YOU HAD AVAILABLE BEFORE.

YOU HAD TO GO HAVE NEW PEOPLE COME IN.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY GO BY MY SITUATION.

ALSO, I WILL PUT THIS OUT THERE, REMEMBER? COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

ALSO SERVED BEFORE, YET YOU PUT HIM IN FOR A SECOND ROUND JUST AS WELL.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO BE YOU'VE GOT TO PUT BECAUSE YOU SKIPPED ME.

I DIDN'T SKIP YOU.

YEAH. YOU DID. OKAY.

I GET ALL THE CREDIT AND I GET ALL THE GLORY.

GO AHEAD. THAT WAS JUST MY.

I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW.

BUT THE THING IS, KEEPING IN MIND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN LAST YEAR TO PUT IT IN A ROTATION WASN'T DONE FOR WHATEVER REASONS.

IT WASN'T DONE BECAUSE ONE OF THE TWO NEW PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN.

AND WASN'T.

BUT THAT IS A SELECTION AND THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROCESS.

SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT A MORE.

EQUITABLE PROCESS, SKIPPING THE FACT THAT IF WE DO PUT.

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COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IN THERE THIS TIME.

FROM HERE IN THEREAFTER, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AN EQUITABLE PROCESS BECAUSE 1 IN 3 AND TWO AND FOUR RUNNING DURING THEIR PUTTING PUT IN DURING THEIR OFF YEARS WILL ALWAYS MAKE IT WHERE THERE'S NO WORRY THAT THEY WON'T BE.

SOMEBODY IN THAT SEAT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE THE VICE MAYOR.

THEY WILL ALWAYS HAVE MADE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THEIR FOUR YEAR TERMS TO BE IN THAT POSITION.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

THANK YOU. SO.

SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU CHOOSE COMMISSIONER.

VILLALOBOS. I THINK I WOULD FOR THIS ONE.

IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO A ROTATION AND NOT HAVE THIS YEAR, YOU'RE IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT THAT WAY, THEN YEAH, TO PUT IT INTO A FORMER FUTURE ROTATION WHERE IT WOULD BE AN EQUITABLE THING, WHERE WE WON'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OR FUTURE BOARDS WON'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, I WOULD SAY, YES, LET HIM HAVE THIS YEAR AND THEN WE WOULD KNOW WE CAN DECIDE IT RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT.

IF IT'S COMMISSIONER RYDER, IF IT'S COMMISSIONER DANIEL IN THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN FOR, LIKE I SAID, FOREVER THEREAFTER, BECAUSE NO ONE'S BEING REMOVED FOR OFFICE, WE SHOULD HAVE AN EVEN ROTATION WHERE EVERYBODY GETS IN THERE FOR YEAR TERME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE VICE MAYOR.

THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

AND WITHIN COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS FOUR YEAR TUM, HE HAS GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE VICE MAYOR.

RIGHT. BUT DID YOU SAY THAT SAME THING WHEN VICE MAYOR BOLTON DID HIS SAME THING TOO? AND DON'T LOOK AT HIM FOR HIS ANSWERS.

I'M JUST PUTTING THAT MY ARGUMENT IS AGAINST THAT ARGUMENT.

I AM NOT SAYING YOU WOULDN'T SERVE WELL AS A VICE MAYOR.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.

I THINK BOTH OF YOU GENTLEMEN WOULD SERVE VERY WELL AS A VICE MAYOR.

BUT IF THE WHAT IS REALLY THE GOAL HERE, IS IT JUST TO PICK THE VICE MAYOR, OR IS THE GOAL TO GET AN EQUITABLE CYCLE? IF THE GOAL IS TO GET AN EQUITABLE CYCLE, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS.

THEN YOU PUT THE VICE MAYOR AND YOU PUT ALVIN IN AS VICE MAYOR, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE AN EQUITABLE CYCLE GOING FORWARD.

IF THAT'S TRULY NOT THE GOAL, THEN THAT CONVERSATION WAS ALL FOR NAUGHT.

AND WE SHOULD JUST BE PICKING THE VICE MAYOR.

BUT NO, THAT'S NOT THE CYCLE IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

BUT THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR WILL NOT WORK WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE.

AND IF YOU RUN, IF WE HAD ONE AND TWO RUNNING TOGETHER AND THEN THREE AND FOUR RUNNING TOGETHER, THE AQUA DISCIPLE WILL WORK.

IF NOT, YOU HAVE ELECTIONS IN THE PROCESS THAT WILL TAKE AWAY THE OPPORTUNITY.

COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE AWAY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE IN THE FOUR YEAR CYCLE TO WORK.

OKAY, SO SO PUTTING ROTATION ASIDE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE JUST PUTTING THIS TO REST.

ROTATION IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

SAYS YOU. YOU BROUGHT IT UP IN THE CONVERSATIONS ON THE FLOOR.

YOUR OPINION IS THAT IT'S OFF THE AGENDA OKAY.

THAT'S YOUR OPINION. I'M PUTTING IT TO REST NOW BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP.

SO WHO DO YOU CHOOSE? IT'S YOU'RE NOT DOING THE POLL.

I YOU'VE GOT OTHER PEOPLE.

COMMISSIONER DANIEL, ARE YOU NOT WISHING TO DISCUSS ANY FURTHER THE ROTATION? UM, SO I HEAR YOU.

I HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY.

UM, I WOULDN'T WANT TO STOP COMMISSIONER RIGHT FROM DOING IT, BECAUSE ELVIN HAS BEEN IN OFFICE ONE TIME.

HE SERVED, UM, YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR TWO TERMS. HE SERVED TWICE. SO IT IS FAIR TO PUT.

FORGIVE ME. RIGHT IN OFFICE, I THINK SO THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS YOU'RE NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE ROTATION CYCLE RIGHT NOW.

I WANT I WOULD LIKE A ROTATION CYCLE, BUT IF IT MEANS, UM, WE'RE NOT DOING ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT.

BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GOING TO KICK HIM OUT OF HIS SPOT.

NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO KICK ANYBODY.

I JUST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN 2025 OR 2026, WHICH YOU AND HE WOULD MAKE THE DECISION.

A NEW ROTATION.

RIGHT. SO I LIKE THE CYCLE THAT THE CLERK SUGGESTED.

AND I'M HEARING THAT EVERYBODY'S NOT ON THAT CYCLE BECAUSE MAYBE WE'LL GIVE YOU INCENTIVE TO RUN AND WIN.

I DON'T KNOW, YOU REALLY WANT IT.

I THINK THAT THE CONVERSATION IS NO LONGER ON CYCLE AND ROTATION.

IT'S JUST ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S.

NO IT IS. IT'S JUST THAT I PREFER HER CYCLE.

RIGHT. WELL, NO, HE TOOK IT OFF.

YEAH. IT JUST IT JUST NUMEROLOGY.

NUMEROLOGICALLY. DON'T ASK ME IN NUMERICAL ORDER.

WITH THE WAY OUR ELECTIONS ARE STRUCTURED AT THIS TIME.

IT'S IT'S NOT FEASIBLE IN.

IN THAT WHERE YOU'LL STILL HAVE A NEWBIE AND YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME, COULD POTENTIALLY STILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS WHERE AS WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO WHICH COMMISSIONER BOLTON WHEN HE'S COMMISSIONER BECAME VICE MAYOR AGAIN IN THE FIRST YEAR, WHERE NEWBIES DIDN'T WANT IT ANYWAY.

SO AT THIS POINT.

COMMISSIONER RIGHT IS THE PERSON WHO HAS RECEIVED THE, UM, CONSENSUS.

NO. YES HE DID.

NO. I WAS ASKING YOU.

WHO DO YOU CHOOSE? YOU'RE NOT THE CHAIR OF THIS NOW, ARE YOU? YOU HAVE NOT YET BECOME MAYOR.

I HAVE NOT GIVEN UP THE GAVEL.

SO? NOT YET EXACTLY.

GOOD LUCK.

ANYWAY, SO I DON'T NEED LUCK, HONEY.

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OH SAYS YOU SO AGAIN TRAIN ON TRACKS AND IT IS 10 TO 4.

STILL HAVE A LOT TO GO.

DID YOU NOT MAKE YOUR SELECTION? I HEARD YOU MAKE YOUR SELECTION.

BUT DID YOU MAKE YOUR SELECTION? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION.

BECAUSE I SAID SO.

BUT I GIVE YOU COMMISSIONER.

NO, NO. YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE ME THAT PARLIAMENTARIAN.

WHO'S THE CHAIR HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO REMIND HIM? SINCE HE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T LISTEN TO ME, MAYBE HE'LL LISTEN TO YOU.

I ASK, WE MAKE A FARCE OUT OF EVERYTHING WE DO IN THIS PLACE.

I ASK FOR YOUR OPINION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET MY OPINION.

I'VE GIVEN MY COMMENTS.

YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM TOO DAMN BAD.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW. THIS IS A CONSENSUS.

THIS IS A WORKSHOP, MADAM CLERK.

THIS IS JUST A CONSENSUS.

UH, INSTRUCTION TO THE CLERK TO FILL IN THE NAME.

SO THIS. THERE'S NO FORMAL VOTE.

EVEN IF IT'S A CONSENSUS.

YOU CAN WAKE UP ON WEDNESDAY AND CHANGE YOUR MIND.

BUT I THINK THE CLERK JUST WANT TO PUT A NAME IN THE RESOLUTION.

SO AT LEAST IT WOULD BE PART OF THE RECORD.

SO, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

YEAH. UM, I GIVE YOU THE OPTION IN PUBLIC ART, AND YOU ALWAYS TAKE IT.

UM, WHEN I, WHEN WHEN WE'RE SELECTING ART MARLON I WE'RE ON VICE MAYOR.

KNOW YOU SAID WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ART.

YOU SAID I HAVE THE FLOOR. SO I'M SAYING TO YOU TO YES OR NO QUESTION OR SELECTION.

WHEN IT'S PUBLIC ART TIME, I ALSO ASK YOU YOUR OPINION AND YOU GLADLY GIVE IT.

SO I'M ASKING YOUR OPINION BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE CHAIR.

I'M ASKING YOUR OPINION.

I DON'T CARE THAT YOU'RE ASKING MY OPINION.

YOU ARE THE MAYOR. I AM, AND YOU'LL BE YOU'LL BE SERVING WITH A VICE MAYOR.

SO I'M ASKING. I SERVE WITH ALL FIVE OF YOU.

AND AS I'VE ALREADY SAID, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S VICE MAYOR TO ME BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE UP THE GAVEL.

SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE TO ME? SO WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? THAT IS MY OPINION. I THINK BOTH MEN WILL SERVE JUST FINE.

SO ENOUGH OF YOUR GAMES.

WHAT'S THE MATTER? YOU'RE TOO SCARED.

OH, GOD. YOU'RE AFRAID THAT IF YOU PICK ONE OVER THE OTHER, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT YOU IN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUSH NEXT.

WILL YOU PLEASE JUST GIVE YOUR SELECTION ALREADY? OR IF WE CAN'T DO THAT.

THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO WE'LL DEAL WITH THIS ON WEDNESDAY BECAUSE WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY THINGS TO DO.

AND YOU HAVE TO. I ALWAYS FELT MAYBE HE HAS A.

WELL, HE'S TOO. OR YOU KNOW WHAT? OH, THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME CONTROL YOUR MIND.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO CHOOSE OR NOT? WHAT'S THE MATTER? YOU'RE TOO AFRAID.

NO, NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT AFRAID.

I'M VERY UNAPOLOGETIC.

AND I'M UNAFRAID.

THEN SAY YOUR PIECE, OR ELSE WE'RE MOVING ON.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER RIGHT.

AND COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS ARE TWO AMAZING MEN THAT CAN SERVE AS VICE MAYOR.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE AMAZING AND LOVES THE CITY.

WELL, THEY THEY'RE OUT AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MORE ACTIVE THAN THAN YOU.

UH, SO I'M, I'M.

I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT. OKAY.

SO, SO SO, YOU KNOW, I'M TORN BETWEEN BOTH OF THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHAT YOUR OPINION IS.

SO. BECAUSE IF I SAY ONE, YOU ALWAYS SAY THE OTHER.

WE KNOW HOW THAT GOES.

YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE WAS AN ACTUAL I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE CARTOON.

SOME ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS MADE A VERY CUTE CARTOON.

IF YOU WANT SOMETHING TO PASS, HAVE THE MAYOR VOTE AGAINST IT, BECAUSE THIS WAY MARLON WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY VOTES FOR IT.

SO ANYWAY. WHAT? WHAT? MICHELLE? YES. MARLON. I'M TORN.

OKAY. WE'RE DONE. NEXT ITEM, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ONE E SEPTEMBER 11TH OBSERVANCE.

[1.e September 11th Observance Discussion Presented by Lerenzo Calhoun, Human Resources Director]

SO, MADAM MAYOR, UM, THE DISCUSSION WILL CONTINUE ON MONDAY AND WE WILL PULL IT OFF.

CONSENT AGENDA. ON WEDNESDAY.

ON WEDNESDAY, WHATEVER DAY OF THE WEEK WE'RE GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE AT THE RATE WE'RE GOING, I THINK WE'LL STILL BE HERE NEXT WEEK, OBVIOUSLY.

OH, SORRY. HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY.

IT IS STILL YOUR BIRTHDAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR.

MR. VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

LORENZO CALHOUN, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

FOR THE RECORD.

UH, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE OCTOBER 11TH COMMISSION MEETING.

I WAS ASKED, ALONG WITH FINANCE AND WITH THE HELP OF FIRE AS WELL, TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT A POTENTIAL SEPTEMBER 11TH OBSERVANCE.

UH, THE MAYOR, MAYOR GOMEZ DID BRING THAT UP DURING THAT PARTICULAR MEETING AND RECEIVED WE RECEIVED CONSENSUS FROM THIS COMMISSION TO GO BACK AND DO SOME RESEARCH.

UH, WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND IS THAT SEPTEMBER 11TH, KNOWN AS PATRIOT DAY, WHICH I WILL COVER A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

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UM, IS SEEN AS AN OFFICIAL DAY OF OBSERVANCE IN OTHER CITIES.

AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY OF TAMARAC HAS 12 PAID CITY HOLIDAYS AND THREE PERSONAL DAYS.

THE 12 HOLIDAYS ARE LISTED HERE.

I HIGHLIGHTED JUNETEENTH, WHICH WAS THE MOST RECENT HOLIDAY ADDED TO THE CALENDAR.

UH, THESE THESE 12 HOLIDAYS ARE CODIFIED IN THE UNION CONTRACTS, WHICH YOU SEE A GRAPHIC BEFORE YOU WITH THE IF WHICH COVERS THE FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR FEDERATION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, AS WELL AS DOCUMENTED IN OUR PERSONNEL MANUAL.

JUNETEENTH WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE PANDEMIC IN OCTOBER OF 2020 AND WAS CODIFIED LATER IN 2021.

UH BECAME AN ACTUAL, CELEBRATED AND PAID HOLIDAY IN OUR CITY.

PATRIOTS DAY OCCURS ON SEPTEMBER 11TH OF EACH YEAR IN MEMORY OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE KILLED IN THE SEPTEMBER 11TH TERRORIST ATTACKS IN 2001 ON THE TRADE CENTER IN NEW YORK, AND AS WELL, UM, IN THE PENTAGON, THE PLANE THAT WAS HEADED TOWARD THE PENTAGON TO HONOR THOSE WHO WERE LOST THAT DAY. AT THIS POINT, IT IS NOT A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.

SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES DO REMAIN OPEN.

US FLAGS ARE FLOWN AT HALF STAFF, AND THERE ARE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES, UH, AS WELL AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT RECOGNIZES THIS DAY THROUGH DIFFERENT MEMORIAL CEREMONIES, WHICH I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

SO IN BEING ASKED TO SURVEY, UH, MUNICIPALITIES, WE CONDUCTED THIS SURVEY RECENTLY, UM, AND RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM 18 OUT OF 26 AGENCIES, UM, WHO WERE CONTACTED.

THE FOUR QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED THEM WERE, HOW MANY PAY HOLIDAYS DO YOU PROVIDE FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES? DOES YOUR AGENCY PROVIDE PATRIOTIC DAY AS AN EMPLOYEE HOLIDAY? IF NOT, IS YOUR AGENCY CONSIDERING ADDING PATRIOT DAY AS A HOLIDAY? AND FINALLY, DOES THE AGENCY HAVE A MEMORIAL OR A CEREMONY IN HONOR OF PATRIOT DAY? THIS IS JUST A SLIDE JUST CAPTURES THE 18 AGENCIES THAT DID RESPOND TO THE SURVEY.

UH, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE, NO RESPONDING AGENCIES CURRENTLY OBSERVE OR ARE IN DISCUSSIONS TO OBSERVE.

PATRIOT DAY IS AN EMPLOYEE HOLIDAY.

I WILL TELL YOU, OUT OF THESE 18, TWO OF THE AGENCIES DO PROVIDE A PAID HOLIDAY TO A SUBSET OF EMPLOYEES.

UH, THOSE TWO ARE DAVIE.

THE TOWN OF DAVIE PROVIDES A PAID DAY OFF FOR THEIR FIREFIGHTERS AND SWORN POLICE OFFICERS, AND THE CITY OF MARGATE PROVIDES A PAID DAY OFF FOR THEIR FIREFIGHTERS. BEFORE YOU ASK ME, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE TO STILL RESPOND TO CALLS? UH, THAT PARTICULAR HOLIDAY IS AWARDED TO EMPLOYEES, UM, WHO ARE OFF ON THAT DAY.

AND THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE SERVING ARE PROVIDED WITH AN ALTERNATIVE HOLIDAY OFF.

SO THIS GRAPHIC JUST CAPTURES SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE AGENCIES.

UH, THERE ARE 12, 28% OF THE AGENCIES THAT WERE POLLED, UH, PROVIDE 12 PAID HOLIDAYS, 22% PROVIDE 13 PAID HOLIDAYS, UM, 33% 11 HOLIDAYS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER THREE ABOVE, WHICH ARE IN THE MINORITY.

WE FOUND THAT OTHER HOLIDAYS THAT WERE RECOGNIZED FOR THOSE AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE 13, 14 OR 15 HOLIDAYS, UH, WAS NEW YEAR'S EVE, THE DAY AFTER NEW YEAR'S EVE, NEW YEAR'S DAY, INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY, THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, AN EMPLOYEE BIRTHDAY.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

TODAY IS A HOLIDAY AND THE FLOATING OR PERSONAL HOLIDAY FOR EMPLOYEES.

UH, BUT THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF HOLIDAYS THAT WE SAW BEING RECOGNIZED WERE 12.

IT WAS A GOOD SLIDE. AND YOU LIKE THAT, VICE MAYOR? THANK YOU. SO THE ESTIMATED FINANCIAL IMPACT, UH, IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THIS AS A PAID HOLIDAY FOR EMPLOYEES, UH, FOR ALL EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $216,000, SO $216,700.

THIS WOULD INCLUDE WAGES, PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS AND FICA, AND IT WOULD BE AN ANNUAL AND RECURRING EXPENSE.

I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER THE COMMEMORATIVE EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE.

UH, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF MUNICIPALITIES WHO DID RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION.

UH, POMPANO, SUNRISE, PEMBROKE PINES, MIRAMAR, BSO ARE ALL AGENCIES THAT CONDUCT MEMORIAL SERVICES DURING THE WORKDAY. TOP.

TAMARAC FIRE RESCUE HAS SEVERAL OF THEIR FIREFIGHTERS WHO TAKE EFFORTS TO COMMEMORATE THAT PARTICULAR DAY ON THEIR OWN.

LAST YEAR, FIREFIGHTER TREMONTI, WHO WAS JOINED BY THE MAYOR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COUNTED ALL 111 FLIGHTS.

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HE DID CLIMB 111 FLIGHTS WITH HIS BUNKER GEAR ON FULL GEAR.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A SUBSET OF FIREFIGHTERS FROM THE CITY OF TAMARAC WHO TRAVELED TO NEW YORK ANNUALLY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEMORIAL SERVICE IN NEW YORK WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS THERE.

SO THAT CONCLUDES THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU.

I WELCOME THE DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME.

AND I REMEMBER YOU REMIND YOU, AS WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, THAT WE STRIVE FOR EXCELLENCE ALWAYS.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU.

LORENZO. YOU'RE WELCOME.

UM. WHAT ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATION? WHAT ARE WE PLANNING ON DOING AND WHAT WOULD BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OR APPROXIMATELY? UM, I KNOW, WAS IT 2020? WE HAD SOMETHING HERE.

NO. 20 2121.

YES. UM, CAN WE CONTINUE WITH THOSE IN MEMORY OF CELEBRATIONS, OF LIFE, OF EVERYTHING, OF MOURNING? UM, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

CITY MANAGER. UM, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE, UH, BROWARD COUNTY OR BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES A MEMORIAL FOR FOR 911.

AND, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT MAKES MOST SENSE, UH, FOR A LARGER AGENCY TO, TO LEAD THIS KIND OF EFFORT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ANY ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT OBSERVING THAT DAY OFF, UH, TO, TO, UH, PARTICIPATE AND ARRANGE OUR SCHEDULES AS SUCH.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, THERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NOT HAD A CONSISTENT MEMORIAL PRACTICE.

UM, BSO IS ONE THAT HAS GONE TO, UM.

SORRY. I SUDDENLY JUST GOT ON MY EYE.

UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL EVENTS THAT I KNOW I GO TO ACROSS THE CITY.

UM, FOR THE OBSERVANCE AND IN MEMORY AND IN CELEBRATION THAT WE'RE STILL HERE.

UM, SO AT THIS TIME, PERSONALLY, THIS IS JUST ME PERSONALLY, I PREFER TO HAVE THE DAY OFF FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THOSE EVENTS IN THE MORNING, THEIR EVENTS MIDDAY, THEIR EVENTS IN THE EVENING.

UM, BASICALLY, THERE'S EVENTS ALL OVER THE PLACE TO BE ABLE TO, UM.

HOW I FEEL IS PAY RESPECTS FOR THAT DAY AND TO NEVER FORGET.

UM, THIS YEAR, PARTICULARLY SEPTEMBER 11TH, FALLS ON A WEDNESDAY.

IT FALLS ON A COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY.

AND SO NO MATTER WHAT, I HEREBY ASK THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A COMMISSION MEETING ON THAT WEDNESDAY.

UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE.

COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL.

BUT, UM, I DO BELIEVE IN THE.

WE WILL GO ON. WE WILL SHOW THAT WE ARE STILL HERE TYPE ATTITUDE.

BUT THERE'S ALSO A POINT ON A.

ON THAT SPECIFIC DAY THAT IT WOULD BE.

MY OPINION, INAPPROPRIATE IN AN OBSERVANCE OF PATRIOTS DAY.

AND JUST SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT THE THERE ARE NEW BILLS BEING FILED FOR GETTING THIS TO BE A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT KIND OF.

TAKES THE NEWS RIGHT NOW.

SO. BUT IT IS BEING MOTION FOR A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.

SO. I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY.

COMMISSIONER DANIELS AT NEW WORLD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. NO, I WAS JUST SAYING, UM.

DUE TO THE COST AND THE CONFLICT IT WILL CAUSE.

BEING THAT IT'S NOT A FEDERAL HOLIDAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S WISE TO EVEN CONSIDER IT AT THIS TIME.

COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? UH, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

UM, YOU KNOW, SEPTEMBER 11TH WAS A HORRIBLE DAY.

I HAD A STEP GRANDMA WHO WAS IN THE BUILDING, AND SHE SURVIVED.

SHE WORKED FOR BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD, AND SHE WOULD SHE HAD TO WALK FROM DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN ALL THE WAY TO FLATBUSH.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY PERSONAL TO ME.

UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, HAVING A DAY OFF, I SAW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID A STUDY, AND THEY ALSO INCLUDED LOSS OF PRODUCTIVITY.

AND YOU INCLUDED THE LOSS OF WAGES AND THE COSTS.

THAT IS EASY TO QUANTIFY.

DOES THAT INCLUDE LOSS OF PRODUCTIVITY AS WELL? THAT 216 NUMBER, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A DAY OFF.

I WOULD SAY THAT IT INCLUDES THAT LOSS OF PRODUCTIVITY AS WELL.

OKAY. AND IN TERMS OF THE STATE LEVEL HAS IT HAS IT HAS IT BEEN, UH, ANYTHING BEEN DONE ON THE STATE LEVEL? THERE HAS NOT BEEN, AS FAR AS WE COULD TELL, DISCUSSION AT THE STATE LEVEL.

UH, I WILL AGREE WITH THE MAYOR.

THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION FROM A FEDERAL PERSPECTIVE.

I CAN TELL YOU COST IS WHAT IS PROHIBITING, UM, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL OF MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO SAW ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL IS THAT.

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SEPTEMBER 11TH IS ONE WEEK AFTER LABOR DAY.

AND USUALLY IT, YOU KNOW, HAVING HAVING TWO, UH, WEEKS IN A ROW WHERE IT'S ONLY A FOUR DAY WORK WEEK, YOU KNOW, IT IMPACTS BUSINESSES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I SAW FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF HOW IT CAN AFFECT, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES PRODUCTIVITY.

SO JUST BASED ON MY RESEARCH AND WHAT I'VE SEEN THIS, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A MOMENTUM FOR THIS SPECIFIC HOLIDAY.

AND ONE THING THAT I SAW, UM, SOMEONE MENTION IS THAT AMERICAN PRESIDENTS DON'T GIVE HOLIDAYS FOR TRAGEDIES.

THERE WAS NO HOLIDAY FOR PEARL HARBOR, WHEREAS MEMORIAL DAY AND VETERANS DAY, WE REMEMBER THOSE WHO SERVE DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOLIDAYS IS BASED ON PEOPLE'S WHO HAVE SERVED OR THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING QUOTE, UH, TO SEE THAT, UM, WHILE IT WAS A TRAGIC EVENT AND WE SHOULD NEVER, NEVER FORGET, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SERVICES AND THINGS THAT REMEMBER THAT LET US ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THIS ISSUE HAPPENED BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE GENERATION FROM 22 YEARS AGO WHO DON'T REMEMBER.

AND IT'S SLOWLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUT OF THE MEDIA'S MIND.

BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING EVERY YEAR THAT LET US NEVER, NEVER FORGET.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD INCLUDE HAVING A DAY OFF BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE TREND OR THE SENTIMENT.

AND IT'S IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S MY TAKE. UM.

I SEE YOURS.

IS THAT OLD? THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OLD.

IT'S OLD. OKAY, SO.

COMMISSIONER. VICE MAYOR, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YEAH. MY NUMBER IS TURN.

THANK YOU. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE BETWEEN THE BOTTLES AND THE COKE.

I'M NOT CLAIRVOYANT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. UM, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

I MEAN, SEPTEMBER 11TH IS, IS A HORRIFIC DAY THAT WE SHOULD NEVER FORGET.

UM, I THINK, UM, HOW WE CAN BRIDGE THE GAP ON THIS IS, UH, OR COMPROMISE ON THIS IS JUST LIKE WE DO OUR EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION LUNCHEON, AND CITY HALL IS CLOSED FOR MAYBE TWO HOURS OUT OF THE DAY TO TO HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER TO GO TO THE LUNCHEON.

I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO GIVE, UM, THE EMPLOYEES TWO HOURS TO MEDITATE, GO SOMEWHERE, COME TO A CEREMONY THAT WE PERHAPS WOULD PLAN, NOT, UM, PLAN ANY CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS ON THAT DAY.

SO EVERYBODY HAS AT LEAST TWO HOURS TO TO MEDITATE, REFLECT, GO SOMEWHERE, COME TO OUR SERVICES.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY PLAN SOMETHING.

UM, HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

AND IF YOU'D BE SO KIND.

THANK YOU. SO I HAVE READ THE SAME ARTICLE THAT COMMISSIONER WRITE READ ABOUT SAYING WE DON'T CELEBRATE TRAGEDIES.

I TAKE IT ON A DIFFERENT WAY OF IT'S NOT CELEBRATING A TRAGEDY, IT'S CELEBRATING THE FACT THAT WE'RE HERE.

YOU TRIED TO KILL US.

WE'RE STILL HERE. SO IT'S CELEBRATING OUR RESILIENCE.

THAT'S WHY IT'S PATRIOTS DAY.

IT'S ABOUT US AS A COUNTRY STILL BEING UNITED, WHICH I THINK WE'VE LOST SIGHT OF A LITTLE BIT OR MAYBE A LOT, A BIT.

UM, AND IT'S TO SHOW THAT WE WILL STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THOSE EVENTS AND BE REMEMBERED AND BE REMINDED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR FAMILY MEMBERS, OUR FRIENDS, OUR LOVED ONES AT THAT TIME.

SO I THINK IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, DISINGENUOUS IN SOME RESPECTS TO.

SAY THAT THIS HOLIDAY OR OBSERVANCE OF THIS DAY.

WHICH HAPPENED HERE IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE OBSERVE.

I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA.

IF WE HAVE ALREADY SAID WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, WE'RE NOT HAVING EVENTS.

OTHERS IS BETTER FOR BIGGER EVENTS.

TO SAY WE'LL JUST TAKE A DAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY LIKE A LUNCHEON.

IT DOES NOT GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO.

PAY THEIR OBSERVANCE IN A MANNER IN WHICH THEY WILL BE COMFORTABLE HAVING THE OBSERVANCE.

THE FACT OF WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE SCHOOLS ARE STILL OPEN AT THIS TIME.

OR THE COURTHOUSE MIGHT STILL BE OPEN AT THIS TIME, OR CERTAIN THINGS MIGHT BE STILL OPEN.

AT THAT TIME, WE WERE NOT AFRAID TO BE TRAILBLAZERS FOR CERTAIN OTHER ITEMS, YET WE SEEM TO BE A LITTLE TIMID OF BEING A TRAILBLAZER IN THIS ONE.

HOW MUCH LOSS OF PRODUCTIVITY DO WE HAVE EVERY QUARTER WHEN WE SAY, OH, WE KNOW IT'S A LUNCHEON DAY? AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO.

WORK FOR A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO LUNCH FOR TWO TO 2.5 HOURS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO WORK.

YOU CAN'T TELL ME WE DON'T LOSE PRODUCTIVITY THAT TIME EITHER.

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YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT WE DON'T LOSE.

WORK TIME ON THAT EITHER.

SO. I'VE HEARD WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.

I JUST HAPPENED TO OBVIOUSLY NOT AGREE.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

ALL THE BOOBY TRAPS ON THIS DESK FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO SEE THINGS.

UM, SO.

GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. EVERYONE'S SHARING THEIR, UH, SENTIMENTS.

UH, SO I'M GOING TO SHARE. MINE'S, UM.

AND I'VE SHARED THIS STORY WITH, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT IMMIGRANTS PART OF MY LIFE.

AND I HOLD DEAR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN MY HEART.

AND THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, REGARDLESS OF THE VIEWS THAT WE HAVE, REGARDLESS OF OUR OPINIONS, UH, OR LACK THEREOF.

EVEN WHEN WE ARE SILENT, WE ARE SPEAKING.

SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO STAY QUIET ABOUT THIS NOW, BECAUSE IT IS A VERY, UH, TOUCHY SUBJECT FOR ME.

UH, NOT JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOSE ANYONE.

UH, BUT I'VE SEEN THE WARS.

I'VE SEEN EVERY DOCUMENTARY THERE POSSIBLY CAN BE.

UH, I HAVE SPENT.

IF NOT THOUSANDS OF HOURS WATCHING WAR MOVIES, WATCHING THE KOREAN WAR, WATCHING HISTORICAL WARS.

UM, I WAS GOING TO ENTER THE MILITARY UNTIL I COULDN'T BECAUSE OF MY SHOULDERS WITH MY LIGAMENTS.

UM, I WOULD HAVE GIVEN MY LIFE TO THIS COUNTRY HAD I HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THAT ISSUE.

UM. WE CELEBRATE MANY THINGS THAT YOU KNOW.

SOMETIMES YOU'RE LIKE, WHY ARE WE CELEBRATING THIS? IT'S NOT EVEN AMERICAN.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CELEBRATE.

I JUST SAW A I WON'T SAY THE FLAG.

THERE'S A FLAG ON SUNRISE ON PUBLIX HANGING FROM A POLE, AND IT'S AN AMERICAN FLAG.

AND I'M THINKING, WHY ARE YOU HANGING THAT FLAG? WAVING IT LIKE IT'S OKAY.

AND FOR ME, THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL.

BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THIS COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS COUNTRY, AND IF YOU HAVE TO BE WAVING YOUR OWN FLAG FROM WHEREVER YOU ARE FROM AND YOU'RE NOT WAVING THE AMERICAN FLAG.

AS THEY HAVE.

MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD.

GO BACK HOME.

GO BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE.

GO BACK TO WHERE YOUR PARENTS WERE BORN.

OTHERWISE, HAVE RESPECT FOR THE FLAG.

HAVE RESPECT.

AND YES, THE POLITICS DO SUCK SOMETIMES AS THEY DO IN LOCAL, COUNTY, FEDERAL STATES NATIONALLY.

THE UNITED NATIONS EVERY.

UM. SHOULD WE BE HONORING IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE WHERE OUR EMPLOYEES CAN TAKE TIME OFF OF WORK TO GO DO WHAT THEY DO? UH, I PERSONALLY TAKE MY TIME OFF AND GO CELEBRATE WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW IF.

I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE, BUT DEFINITELY, UM.

WE SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER.

UH, I'LL SAY ONE MORE THING.

YOU KNOW, SOME EVENTS COST US $300 PER PERSON, AND NOBODY SHOWS UP.

THAT'S A PROBLEM. SOME EVENTS COST US $5 PER PERSON.

MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP.

SO TO GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES THAT OPPORTUNITY.

ON A WORK DAY.

YOU DON'T. WE DON'T EVEN GET EIGHT HOURS OF WORK PER PERSON.

WE DON'T GET 40 HOURS OF WORK FROM EVERYONE IN THIS BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, NO PUN INTENDED.

BUT EVERYWHERE, EVERY INSTITUTION, UNLESS YOU'RE A ROBOT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING 40 HOURS OF WORK.

YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING IN THE UPPER 20S OF REAL, LEGITIMATE WORK.

SO IS THERE, YOU KNOW.

I. THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU. AND ACTUALLY YOU REALLY IF YOU SAY THAT THE EMPLOYEES CAN LEAVE, THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEIR OWN TIME TO LEAVE DURING THE DAY.

SO WHY SHOULD AN EMPLOYEE BE PENALIZED? FOR GOING TO OBSERVE NINE OVER 11.

TO GO TO A MEMORIAL SERVICE.

TO GO DO WHAT THEY FEEL IS RIGHT.

ANYWAY, NOTHING FURTHER ON THIS MATTER.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL DISCUSS CALENDAR ITEMS AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO WHAT'S THE CONCLUSION? THE CONCLUSION AS THERE IS NONE.

OKAY. I DID SAY THAT I DID GIVE AN OPTION TO HAVE TWO HOURS IN THE DAY TO SO THAT OUR EMPLOYEES

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AND OTHERS CAN GO AND AND OBSERVE.

I HEARD COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS SAY ECHOED THE SAME SENTIMENT.

UM, SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE CAN, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOBODY ELSE HAS FLIPPED OVER THEIR CAR TO SAY THEY WISH TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

AND SO.

WELL, CONSENSUS ON WHAT THEY'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW.

THERE'S NO CONSENSUS.

IS THERE? IS THERE? WHAT'S THE. THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE WAS FOR THE DAY OFF OR TO DO AN EVENT.

THOSE TWO HAVE.

RIGHT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO TO TO HOST SOMETHING, AT LEAST OUT EVEN OUTSIDE IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION.

UM, OR VETERANS PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO ATTEND THAT EVENT, OR IF THEY DON'T WANT TO ATTEND THE EVENT, THEY HAVE TWO HOURS TO, UM, MEDITATE AND WALK AROUND CITY HALL OR DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

UM, YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

BUT AS THE CITY MANAGER EXPRESSED.

THERE ARE OTHER.

ENTITIES THAT ARE HOLDING EVENTS THAT ARE MORE EQUIPPED OR FINANCIALLY.

ABLE TO PROGRAM THOSE EVENTS, AND THEREFORE HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT FOR US TO DO AN EVENT.

SO THAT IS WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS EXPRESSED.

I DON'T THINK IT COST A LOT OF MONEY TO DO AN EVENT.

AND WHY WOULDN'T WE NOT WANT TO DO AN EVENT? UM. ONE SECOND.

COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. AGAIN, UM, IF THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION IS FOR US TO, UM, UH, PLAN AN EVENT, UH, AROUND 911, UM, OBSERVATION.

UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO, TO TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITIES.

BUT IN THE PAST, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OR PARTICIPANTS, UH, TO, TO SHOW UP FOR THESE KINDS OF EVENTS.

AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, UM, THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED IS JOINED IN WITH THE LARGER ENTITIES BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO DRAW A LARGER CROWD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROVIDE A BETTER, UM, OBSERVATION FOR, FOR THOSE, UH, SOMBER EVENTS.

COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. SO MY ANALYSIS WAS BASED ON WHAT I SAW WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THE STATE, BUT I THINK SOMETHING THAT CAME BACK TO ME AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, WAS IN TAMARAC IN 2019, WAS IN TAMARAC A LEADER IN PASSING JUNE.

JUNETEENTH AS A HOLIDAY? YES. BEFORE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID IT A YEAR AFTER.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE'RE USUALLY AHEAD OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CORRECT.

WE'RE PIONEERS.

OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO FOLLOW THAT TREND.

I'M GOING TO CHANGE MY SENTIMENTS AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. MR. DANIEL, YOU GOT CONSENT? I'VE GOT CONSENT, BUT I'M STILL GOING TO, IF YOU WISH ME.

IF THE COMMISSION WANT TO CHANGE IT, I'LL GO ALONG WITH THEM.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I FEEL. YES.

SO. AND.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

WE ARE NOW ON TO ONE F SABAL PALM.

DISCUSSION BY MELISSA PETRONE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC, AND JOHN DOHERTY, PUBLIC SERVICES DIRECTOR.

[1.f Sabal Palm Park Discussion Presented by Melissa Petron, Assistant Director of Parks & Recreation & John Doherty, Public Services Director]

GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS MELISSA PETRONE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

JOHN DORY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES.

SO WE'RE BRINGING UP THE ELEMENTS FOR SABAL PALM PARK THAT WE DISCUSSED.

YEAH, THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST WORKSHOP, I BELIEVE WAS ON NOVEMBER 6TH.

NOVEMBER 6TH. YES.

SO THE CONSENSUS THAT WE CAME UP AT THAT WORKSHOP AND WE PUT A LIST ON THE POWERPOINT, WE CAME UP WITH A CONSENSUS OF A SPLASH PAD, BASKETBALL COURT, RESTROOM THAT INCLUDED A CONCESSION BUILDING, FENCE AROUND THE PARK, A MULTI-PURPOSE FIELD WITH BLEACHERS, FITNESS STATIONS, UH, COVERED SHELTERS, A COVERED PLAYGROUND. WE ALSO DISCUSSED, BUT DIDN'T COME TO CONSENSUS ON A DOG PARK, SO WE HAD MUSTAFA PUT TOGETHER TWO OPTIONS TO LOOK AT.

SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. THAT LAST SENTENCE, ONE MORE.

WE DID NOT COME TO CONSENSUS ON THE DOG PARK.

WE HAVE IT LISTED, BUT WE DIDN'T COME.

I DON'T THINK WE CAME TO THE CONSENSUS ON THAT.

THAT ONE WAS A GIVEN FROM THE COMMUNITY.

BUT GO AHEAD. SO THE FIRST OPTION INCLUDES ALL THOSE ELEMENTS BESIDES THE DOG PARK.

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AND THEN OPTION TWO WILL HAVE THE DOG PARK ON IT.

SO REMEMBER WE WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD SO WE CAN KIND OF GET CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR RFP.

WE DO HAVE A GRANT $1 MILLION GRANT THAT WE ARE GOING TO.

WE'RE APPLYING FOR EXTENSION IN AUGUST, BUT WE NEED TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO THAT, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT BOTH OF THE OPTIONS AND DISCUSS A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THOSE AMENITIES.

OR IF YOU ARE FINE WITH WHAT'S LISTED THERE.

YEAH, WE'RE KIND OF UNDER THE GUN TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED.

AT LEAST THE RFP PART STARTED SO WE CAN GET INTO CONSTRUCTION SO WE CAN REQUEST A TIME EXTENSION FOR THE GRANT THAT WE HAVE.

UH, ACCORDING TO THE STIPULATIONS OF THE GRANT, WE HAVE TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO ASK FOR A TIME EXTENSION.

RIGHT NOW, THE GRANT EXPIRES IN, UM, I THINK SEPTEMBER OF 24.

UM, SO ACTUALLY, IT'S DECEMBER OF 24.

THE GRANT EXPIRES, SO WE NEED TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND ACCORDING TO OUR TIMELINE.

NOW, IF WE GET STARTED NEXT MONTH, WE WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN, UH, IN, UH, AUGUST OF OF NEXT YEAR.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THESE ELEMENTS PINNED DOWN NOW SO WE CAN PUT TOGETHER THE RFP AND START THE BIDDING PROCESS.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OPTION NUMBER ONE AND TWO.

OPTION NUMBER ONE INCLUDES UM THREE COVERED SHELTERS, WHICH IS THE ONE LARGE SHELTER THAT'S IN BOTH OPTIONS.

AND THE TWO SMALLER SHELTERS ARE 36 FOOT HEXAGON SHELTERS.

AND THEN OPTION TWO, WE HAVE THE DOG PARK AND WE ARE LOSING THE TWO 36 FOOT SHELTERS.

NOW, THESE ARE VERY CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS.

I'LL JUST BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT ONCE WE GO OUT FOR AN RFP, THE THE POTENTIAL DESIGN BUILD FIRMS WILL PRESENT ANOTHER CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO YOU.

THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE ELEMENTS MAY LOOK LIKE, NOT NECESSARILY THE FINAL PLAN.

THE FINAL PLAN WILL COME THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS, AND THE DESIGN BUILD FIRM WILL PRESENT THAT TO US AND THE SELECTION COMMITTEE.

I HAVE A QUESTION. DO ME A FAVOR.

WHAT ARE YOU LITTERING? SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF COMMISSIONER DANIEL IS ON THIS ONE.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO I'D LIKE THE DOG PARK IDEA.

IS THERE POSSIBLE TO ADD.

WHO SHALL SHELTER THEIR.

SOME OF THAT TREE AREA, THAT SHELTER.

IF YOU KEEP GOING NORTH OF YOUR OF YOUR PEN THERE, THAT'S A VERY LARGE SHELTER.

YES. THIS ONE.

NO, THAT'S A PLAYGROUND.

YES, THAT'S A VERY LARGE SHELTER.

IT'S A 2600 SQUARE FOOT SHELTER.

THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSENSUS DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING.

AND THEN, UM, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY SQUEEZE IN MAYBE ANOTHER SHELTER SOMEWHERE.

YEAH, IN THE GRASS AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AGAIN, I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE REALLY CONCEPTUAL.

THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE FINAL PLAN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

UH, JUST TO WRAP IT UP.

UM, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO DOG PARK.

I THINK THE DOG PARK IS THE BIG THING.

UM, IT GETS USED UP AT THE DOG PARK WE HAVE NOW.

SO, UH, DEFINITELY ANOTHER PICNIC SHELTER NEXT TO THE OTHER PICNIC SHELTER.

UM. WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

I'LL JUMP IN. I AM 98% POSITIVE THAT AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THEY'VE WANTED A DOG PARK.

THEY WANT SOME PLACE FOR THEIR DOGS TO GO.

SO I'M A LITTLE SHOCKED THAT.

THERE'S A THOUGHT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE CONSENSUS.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS A GIVEN, LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED.

IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE FINE.

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS ONE THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE INCLUDED.

SO I KNOW THE SPLASH PAD SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN THE NEWER ITEM.

AND I ALSO KNOW THE SPLASH PAD SEEMS TO HAVE SEVERAL OTHER CONCERNS ALONG WITH IT.

UM. MY QUESTION IS THIS.

IF THE SPLASH PAD IS NOT THIS SAME SPLASH PAD THAT WE HAVE AT CAPPARELLA OR WATER'S EDGE, BUT ONE OF THOSE.

GROUND SPRAYS A SPRAY GROUND INSTEAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL IT, WHERE YOU STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FUN AND THE WET AND THE EXCITEMENT OF KIDS OF ALL AGES, WITHOUT THE COMPLETE MAINTENANCE PLAN AND CONCERNS OF THINGS BREAKING DOWN AND NOT GETTING THE QUALITY THAT WE ARE PROMISED IN THE WORK THAT WE CONTRACT FOR LIKE WE'VE HAD WITH.

UM. WATER'S EDGE.

THANK YOU. AND THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES THAT ARE GOING INTO THE ONE WE PURCHASED FOR CAPPARELLA AND POTENTIALLY FOR WHAT'S GOING ON AT TAMARAC VILLAGE.

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UM, IF WE MADE IT A SPRAY PAD INSTEAD, IF WE MAKE THAT A LITTLE SMALLER, ARE WE THEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE? THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ANOTHER SHELTER.

SURE WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.

UM, THAT'S, UM, MORE IN LINE WITH THE WITH THE SPLASH SURFACE, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE HAVE AT TAMARAC VILLAGE.

THAT'S JUST A SURFACE THAT SHOOTS JETS UP, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE LARGER, MORE ELABORATE ONES WE HAVE AT WATER'S EDGE PARK AND, UM, AND, AND, UH, CAPRELLA. SO YES, WE CAN.

IF THAT'S THE WISH OF THE COMMISSION, WE CAN CERTAINLY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ANOTHER.

UM. JUST COVERED.

SHELTERED IN THERE THAT WAY AS WELL? YES. AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE THEIR WATER.

THE WATER FUN OPTION.

SO. INSTEAD OF GRUNTING AND GROANING.

GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR.

UM, I'M I'M FOR A FULL SPLASH PAD.

UM, YOU KNOW, WATER SHOOTING UP IS JUST FOR ESTHETICS.

UM, SO I SAY OPTION TWO.

THE COMMUNITY DID SAY THAT THEY WANT A DOG PARK.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S GREAT.

SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT IT WOULD BRING ATTENTION TO THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER PEOPLE WOULD BRING THEIR DOGS, AND THAT'S THE STUFF.

AND WE DID SAY THAT.

UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND.

THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT WAS.

SO. UM.

OPTION TWO.

UM, THAT'S THAT'S MY CHOICE.

UM, WITH EVERYTHING LISTED ON THE SCREEN.

AND NOT WATER SHOOTING UP A REAL SPLASH PAD.

UNDERSTOOD. IT WORKED FOR THE OLYMPICS, AND IT WORKS FOR OUR TAMARAC VILLAGE.

SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE OUR NOSES IN THE AIR ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY.

I'M NOT SEEING ANY.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO? COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? NO.

SO YOU BASICALLY HAVE OPTION TWO, BUT TWO WITH THE ONE ADDITIONAL SHELTERS.

WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN WRITTEN DOWN, WELL, TWO OF US WANT AN ADDITIONAL SHELTER.

WE DON'T HAVE A THIRD CONSENSUS FOR AN ADDITIONAL SHELTER.

SO UM, BECAUSE.

THE VICE MAYOR SAID HE WANTS IT AS IS.

SO THEREFORE, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON WHO WANTS TO TRY TO SQUEEZE, HAVE A SHELTER SPACE THERE.

WELL. IT'S IF YOU'RE BEING LITERAL, AS JOHN MENTIONED, THAT A LOT OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PLACEMENTS ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF THE RFP PROCESS, DESIGN, BUILD PROCESS.

SO WE MAY HAVE ROOM FOR ANOTHER SHELTER, WHICH WE WOULD ENTERTAIN.

UM, SO THEN OPTION THREE, IF THERE'S AN OPTION THREE TO BE HAD, IT WOULD BE OPTION TWO WITH ANOTHER SHELTER.

I WOULD RECOMMEND ANOTHER SHELTER IN THAT PARK.

I'M NOT LEAVING THE ROOM, AS YOU CAN TELL.

NICE TRY THERE FOR A MOMENT.

NICE TRY THERE, VICE MAYOR, FOR A MOMENT.

I'LL GIVE IT TO HIM. I'LL GIVE IT TO HIM.

THERE'S A REASON WHY I HAVEN'T USED IT.

BECAUSE I'M AFRAID, TRUTH BE TOLD.

SO, IS THERE A SELECTION FOR OPTION THREE? OR GOING BY RECOMMENDATION? SO TOO THE SAME WAY.

THIS. IT'S AMOUNTING TO THE SAME WAY.

IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IT IS.

AND IF AND IF SPACEX AND IF SPACEX HAD ANOTHER SHOT.

OKAY, OKAY, RUN.

CUZ I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT THE KIDS.

BASICALLY, IT WILL POSSIBLY NOT BE EXACTLY THE SAME PLACEMENT.

SUBJECT TO WHAT ENGINEERING COME BACK, BUT ALL THE OPTIONS OF OPTION TWO, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL SHELTER IF YOU CAN FIT IT IN, IS WHAT IS BEING WHAT YOU HAVE CONSENSUS FOR.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

OKAY. AND ONE LAST QUESTION.

THE SHELTERS ARE GOING TO BE OPERATED AND RUN.

YOU HAVE TO RESERVE IT LIKE HOW YOU WOULD.

WAIT, IT CAN BE DONE.

THAT OPTION OR FOR TIME BEING, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE, BUT FIRST SERVE.

BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND RENTING OKAY.

BECAUSE DO WE DO THAT NOW AT SUNSET PARK.

YES OKAY.

LET'S. THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

OR WAIT A SECOND, CITY MANAGER, WILL THERE BE ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA? I WILL HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

[1.h Discussion on the amendment to the sale and purchase agreement to extend the due diligence period for the purchase of the Shaker Village Clubhouse. Presented Hans Ottinot, City Attorney]

UM, YES, MAYOR. OKAY.

IT'S ABOUT THE, UM, UH, AT-LARGE MEMBER FOR PRIVATIZATION COMMITTEE.

SO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THAT DONE NOW, OR ARE WE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT INTO SHAKER VILLAGE? SHAKER VILLAGE SHOULD BE BRIEF.

UH, SAYS. THAT'S FUNNY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KISS OF DEATH, RIGHT? UH, NO.

ANYTIME. I BELIEVE IN LIFE.

KISS OF THAT. ANYTIME, ANYTIME ANYONE SAYS IT, IT'S A KISS OF DEATH.

UH, AS MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION KNOW, UH, UH, UNIT OWNER SHAKER VILLAGE HAD A CHALLENGE.

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UH, SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION AUTHORITY TO SELL THE CLUBHOUSE TO THE CITY.

UH, AND PENDING LAWSUITS IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF BROWARD COUNTY.

UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT LAWSUIT, THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING.