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[Call to Order]
IT IS 1001 ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH.HOPE EVERYBODY ENJOYED THEIR WEEKEND.
CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
GOOD MORNING, VICE MAYOR AND BOLTON.
GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. COMMISSIONER DANIEL, GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING. IF EVERYONE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE THEREAFTER.
ALL RIGHTY. WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER AND WE ARE STARTING WITH NUMBER ONE.
[1.a Locally Funded Agreement between the City of Tamarac and FDOT Presented by C. Bryan Wilson, KCI Technologies Inc. for FDOT / Maxine Calloway,Community Development Director]
LOCALLY FUNDED AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND FDOT.JUST GOING BY. WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROLLY LITTLE CHAIRS IF YOU WANT.
AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING. GOT IT.
AND. HI, MY NAME IS ROB LOPEZ.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU THE OUTLINE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
OVERALL PROJECT RELOCATION COVERS ACTUALLY THE LENGTH OF THE DOT MAINTAINED RIGHT OF WAY FOR COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD FROM UNIVERSITY ALL THE WAY TO STATE ROAD A1. A. BACKGROUND WAS.
THE PROJECT WAS DEVELOPED BASED ON AN ADAPTIVE SIGNAL FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN 2014.
EXTENDED SERVICE LIFE OF ROADWAY PAVEMENT IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE CORRIDOR, UPGRADING SIGNALIZATION FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR, AND INTEGRATING NEW INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS INTO THE EXISTING SYSTEM.
THIS GENERATED THREE PROJECTS TO BE FUNDED BY THE .4461821, WHICH WAS A MILLING AND RESURFACING PORTION THAT YOU CAN SEE EXTENDS FROM POWER LINE ROAD TO A1A IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE CORRIDOR.
IT'S AN AUTOMATED SIGNAL PERFORMANCE MEASURE UPGRADES AND THE ADDITION OF NEW 288 COUNT FIBER IN THE PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR FROM UNIVERSITY TO US ONE, AND THEN FROM ROCK ISLAND TO ANDREWS.
THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL FEATURES ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC CONTROL FEATURES TO THAT PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR.
SO THE EAST WESTERN END OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMARAC OF TAMARAC IS.
UH, DISCUSSING A LOCALLY FUNDED AGREEMENT FOR PARTICIPATION TO A DIRECT DEVELOPER, FUNDS FOR THE NEW FIBER AUTOMATED SIGNAL PERFORMANCE FEATURES, AND THE NEW MAST ARM SIGNAL UPGRADES AT WOODLANDS BOULEVARD THAT ARE PART OF THE PROJECT.
COUNTY IS ALSO PARTICIPATING IN A LOCAL FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT WOULD FUND THE NEW FIBER.
ALSO, PORTIONS OF THE ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONTROL FEATURES FROM ROCK ISLAND TO US ONE.
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CONDUIT FROM ROCK ISLAND TO ANDREWS, THE NEW CCTV CAMERAS, AND A NEW DMS SIGN.SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE CORRIDOR.
BUT THERE ARE NEW CCTV CAMERAS IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE CORRIDOR AND TAMARAC CITY LIMITS, AND REPLACING THE SPAN WIRE SIGNAL THAT'S AT WOODLANDS BOULEVARD NOW WITH NEW MAST ARM FEATURES.
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, THE CITY'S JPA WOULD PARTICIPATE IN FUNDING THE FIBER OPTICS, THE ROAD SAFETY AUDIT IN 2022 THAT IDENTIFIED NEED FOR PROTECTED LEFT TURNS, AND THE NEW MAST ARM AT WOODLANDS BOULEVARD, AND THE LFA WOULD THEN PROVIDE PRO RATA CONTRIBUTIONS TOWARD THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE FEATURES BETWEEN ROCK ISLAND AND 441.
THE LOCALLY FUNDED AGREEMENT WAS CALCULATED BASED ON THE ANTICIPATED PERCENT INCREASE IN VEHICLE DELAY BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON AT WOODLANDS AT THE INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE SHOWN WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
WHICH AMOUNTED TO TOTAL PRO RATA SHARE, WOULD BE $114,964.19.
SPECIFIC PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE.
THERE I CAN SEE THERE'S JUST A INSET INDICATING WHERE THE NEW MAST ARM WOULD GO AT WOODLANDS, AND THE INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS IN THOSE BETWEEN 441 AND UNIVERSITY, THAT WOULD BE GETTING SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS AND FIBER.
EXCUSE ME. TOTAL PROJECT COST IS ESTIMATED AT 15.3 MILLION, WITH 7.9, ALMOST 8 MILLION OF IT GOING TOWARDS THE RESURFACING PROJECT.
3.8 AND 3.5, RESPECTIVELY, TO THE TWO ATMS AND ADAPTIVE SIGNAL FEATURE PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED.
AND AGAIN, THE BROWARD COUNTY CONTRIBUTION IS 1.8 MILLION.
CITY OF TAMARAC CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE 114,009 6414.
AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAD.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD, ROB? I MEAN, JUST AGAIN, THE MAIN PURPOSE IS TO GET APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT LOCALLY FUNDED AGREEMENT.
SO YOU WANT THE MICROPHONE? OKAY. HE ASKED HER.
NO, I THINK YOU COVERED EVERYTHING, BRIAN.
JUST SUMMARIZE AGAIN, THE PURPOSE PRESENTATION TODAY IS ALSO FOR TO SHARE WITH YOU THE PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, I GUESS FINAL APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LOCALLY FUNDED CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROJECT, WHICH ON THE BOARD HERE IS 114,000 FROM THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A A QUICK BREAKDOWN OF THE OTHER CITIES CONTRIBUTIONS? IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING 1.8 MILLION TO THE PROJECT.
MOST OF THEIR FUNDING IS GOING TOWARDS THE ACTUAL SIGNAL SYSTEM ITSELF.
IT'S ACTUALLY ITEMIZED FOR SPECIFIC COMPONENTS OF THE SIGNAL SYSTEM.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC CONTRIBUTION IS NOT ITEMIZED TO A SPECIFIC COMPONENT, BUT IT IS CONSIDERED 9.4% OF THE IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN.
SORRY. UH, OF THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THOSE FOUR INTERSECTIONS.
9.4% OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TAKING PLACE AT ROCK ISLAND.
NORTHWEST, 50TH NORTHWEST, 49TH TURNPIKE, NORTHWEST 47TH MAINLAND AND STATE ROAD SEVEN.
THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING WITH THESE TWO GENTLEMEN LAST WEEK.
I HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE FOR RELATED TO THIS PROJECT.
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AND ALSO.441 ALL THE WAY TO UNIVERSITY.
AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD WHERE THE CITY.
STRAIGHT TO THE LEFT AND THEN RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO TWO LANES ONLY WHERE FROM THE NORTH.
COMING SOUTH YOU HAVE THREE LANES, SO YOU HAVE A STRAIGHT LEFT AND A RIGHT.
WE'VE HAD SOME SERIOUS ACCIDENTS OVER AT 70TH.
WE'VE HAD SERIOUS ACCIDENTS OVER AT WOODLANDS.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE THE STUDY WILL BE COMING TO ME FOR THE RESULTS THAT WE'RE SEEING.
AND SOME OF WHAT IS BEING DONE NOW WITH TIMING OF THE LIGHTS WILL ALSO HELP.
BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES THAT I HAD ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE WITH.
SO JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU PUBLICLY.
GO ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY.
HAVE A GREAT WEEK. APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ONE BE CONSENSUS AND OR DISCUSSION AND
[1.b Discussion and Consensus on Artist Design for Fire Station #15 Public ArtInstallation Presented by George Gadson, Public Art Administrator /Maher Mansour, CommunityDevelopment Assistant Director]
CONSENSUS ON ART DESIGN FOR FIRE STATION 15 PUBLIC ART INSTALLATION.WELCOME. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS GEORGE GASTON.
HERE WE ARE. GOOD MORNING, GEORGE GADSDEN, THE GADSDEN AND RABBITS AND BUSINESS PARTNER, BETH.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE REGARDING THE SCULPTURE AT FIRE STATION NUMBER 16.
JUST AS SOME HISTORICAL BACKGROUND, THE BUDGET WAS 100 AND IS $135,000.
LOCATION AT 6000 NORTH HIATUS ROAD.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY IS THE THREE ARTISTS THAT WERE SHORTLISTED AND THE ARTISTS THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED BY BY THE THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE.
THE LOCATION WE RECEIVED FROM EACH THREE OF THE ARTISTS, VARIOUS RENDITIONS OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT THE CALL TO ARTISTS HAD ASKED FOR.
THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND MR. AUSTIN HIS FINAL DESIGN.
AND MIND YOU, WHAT YOU SEE HERE, COMMISSIONERS, IS SIMPLY A PLACEHOLDER.
THIS IS NOT THE FINAL RESTING PLACE, IF YOU WILL, FOR WHERE THE SCULPTURE WOULD BE.
WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO REALLY ACTUALLY IDENTIFY, AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS AND CONSENSUS IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SCULPTURE PLACED.
BUT THIS IS THE ARTIST THAT HAS BEEN IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR YOUR CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST. THERE'S ALSO IN THE PLANNING JUST YOU KNOW AS WELL FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FUNDRAISING FOR BENCHES THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS INSTALLATION, AS WELL AS AT SOME FUTURE DATE PAVERS.
WE'RE OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU. I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL WONDERFUL PIECES.
THERE'S A LOT THAT THAT'S IN THERE.
THE SECOND ONE IS MORE OF A COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST BEING FRIENDLY AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
FOR ME, THE THIRD ONE PERSONALLY ACTUALLY SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
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A FIRE. YOU'RE REACHING HIGHER HEIGHTS.WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, WHETHER IT'S TO GRAB SOMEONE FROM SAFETY.
THE FIRST ONE KIND OF PUTTING OUT THE FIRE.
EVERYBODY'S OUT OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, PER SE.
THE SECOND ONE IS, HEY, BOYS AND GIRLS, LET'S TAKE A PICTURE TOGETHER.
THE THIRD ONE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE RISKING THEIR LIVES TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND.
BUT WE KNOW THEY DON'T MAKE $1 MILLION.
THEY'RE NOT FOOTBALL PLAYERS THROWING A BASKET.
ALL THESE SHOW REAL HEROES, AND I BELIEVE THE THIRD ONE ACTUALLY SHOWS MORE OF THAT.
YOU KNOW THEY CAN EASILY FALL FROM THAT LADDER.
MY CHOICE WOULD BE THE THIRD ONE.
UM. I THINK HE HAS SOME GOOD REASONING.
I'M GOING TO ADD. MY REASONING IS THE THIRD ONE IS WHAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS.
PERIOD. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
OH OKAY. WELL, SO HE'S ADDING.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
I LIKE THE FIRST AND THE THIRD.
BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT IS THE THIRD IS GOOD I MY UNDERSTANDING AND I HAPPEN TO HAVE INVITED MYSELF TO THE PUBLIC ART MEETING WHEN THIS WAS BEING DISCUSSED.
SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S A SEGMENT FOR WHERE.
THERE WILL BE. THE NAMES WILL BE ON PAVERS, THERE WILL BE SEATING.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS PLACEHOLDER IS JUST FOR SHOW.
I JUST WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD.
TRADITIONALLY, WE LIKE OUR ART IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A RIGHT OF WAY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST.
IT COULD BE FOR COMING TO PEACE AFTER DEALING WITH A VERY HARD FIRE.
IT COULD BE GOING THERE WITH A LOVED ONE TO REMEMBER SOMEBODY.
IT PLAYS A BIGGER ROLE THAN JUST BEING A PIECE OF ART IN THE MIDDLE OF A RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, IN MY OPINION, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE TO EFFECTUATE.
THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT THIS PIECE IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
OF THE GREENERY AND THE GRASS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT, AND MOVE PARKING FROM WHERE IT IS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT TO MAKE ROOM FOR WHERE THIS PIECE, I BELIEVE SHOULD BE.
DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS A BEAUTIFUL.
COMMEMORATIVE PIECE THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS DESERVE.
GOOD MORNING. I PERSONALLY LIKE ALL OF THEM.
IS BEAUTIFUL TO ME, BUT WAS THERE A SURVEY DONE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE FIREFIGHTERS WANTED BECAUSE I WAS NOWHERE, OR WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED, SINCE WE AS RESIDENTS ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO LOOK UPON IT, BUT THEY'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL TO ME.
DURING THE PROCESS, EVEN BEFORE THE CALL TO ARTISTS WAS EVEN DISTRIBUTED, THE FIREMEN THERE WERE, I THINK, THREE THAT PRETTY MUCH SAT IN THE MEETINGS AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND LEND THEIR VIEWS OR RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT THEY LIKE TO COMMUNICATE.
SO THE TEAM JUST THROWS ALL THREE.
IT WASN'T RATED ONE, TWO, THREE.
I'M SORRY. ALL THREE WERE RATED THE SAME.
OR WAS IT PROGRESSIVE LIKE THE FIRST ONE IS THE HIGHEST RATE AND THE SECOND SO FORTH.
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NO, THE THE THE THE ORDER THAT YOU SEE THEM HERE IS THE ORDER.NO, WE DID THEM ALPHABETICALLY HERE.
BUT THE ARTIST WHOSE WORK IS BEING RECOMMENDED IS THE IS THE FINAL, MR. AUSTIN. COULD YOU SHOW THAT ONE, PLEASE? I'M SORRY. COULD YOU SHOW ME THAT ONE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.
THANK YOU. YES. THIS ONE. THANK YOU.
AT THIS POINT, YOU NEED CONSENSUS.
YES. IF WE MAY GET YOUR CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE BASED UPON YOUR APPROVAL.
REALLY ENGAGING THE ARTIST, OF COURSE, LETTING HIM KNOW AND WORKING WITH THE CONTRACT MANAGER AND THE DUE DILIGENCE REALLY STARTS NOW IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC SITE, AS YOU WELL KNOW.
DALMATIAN WAS SLATED FOR ONE SITE AND IT ENDED UP BEING WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY FINALIZING THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE HERE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO POWER LINES OR WATER LINES OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CABLE WIRES, ETCETERA, MAKING SURE IT'S PUT UP SOMEWHERE SAFE.
EXACTLY. SO WE NEED YOUR YOUR BLESSING AND WE'LL GET TO WORK.
I WASN'T SURE, COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
SO YOU GOT FIVE OF US SUPPORTING IT? THERE WERE NODS. SO, MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO GEORGE ABOUT THAT.
BUT, GEORGE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MATERIAL FOR THIS PIECE OF ART? THE ARTIST. EVERYTHING THAT IS A PART OF THIS.
THE SCULPTURE IS ACTUALLY IN BRONZE.
HE HAS A COMPANY AND THEY PRETTY MUCH DO FIREFIGHTERS MONUMENTS.
AND SO THE MATERIAL WILL BE IN BRONZE.
MY UNDERSTANDING AS FAR AS THE THE BASE ITSELF WOULD ACTUALLY BE CONCRETE AND CEMENT.
AND OF COURSE WE CLADDED WITH THE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, ESTHETICALLY.
THE BENCHES THEMSELVES, I BELIEVE, BASED UPON WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, WOULD BE IN GRANITE.
AND OF COURSE THE PAVERS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH STONE PAVERS.
THE PLAQUES THEMSELVES WOULD BE IN METAL AS WELL, SO THAT THE USE OF THE DIFFERENT SYMBOLS THAT ARE RECOGNIZABLE TO THE FIREFIGHTERS WOULD BE A PART OF THAT AS WELL.
YES, SIR. OKAY. IF I MAY JUST MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
AND AT THAT TIME, HE GAVE US A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF ABOUT NINE MONTHS.
NOW, THIS ARTIST IS VERY BUSY.
AND SO AS WE JUST SIMPLY STATING, ONCE I GET WITH HIM TO DETERMINE HIS TIMELINE, TO WORK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, WE MAY NOT SEE THIS REALIZED UNTIL 6 TO 9 MONTHS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD SO THAT THERE ARE NO EXPECTATIONS OF HAVING IT SOONER.
DURING THIS TIME, CAN WE GET THE SITE PLAN IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE THE SITE FOR THAT? YES, SIR. EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING TO ASK.
JUST AS LONG AS HE COULD BE DOING WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
WE NEED TO BE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE FIREFIGHTERS CAMPAIGN FOR THE BRICK PAVERS THAT WE WILL DO TO COMMEMORATE.
ALL RIGHT. DOING GREAT WITH THIS MICROPHONE.
[1.c Discussion on retaining The Ferraro Law Firm to represent the City of Tamarac in awater polluting litigation against 3M and Dupont/Chemours Presented by Hans Ottinot, City Attorney]
IS RETAINING DISCUSSION ON RETAINING THE FERRERA LAW GROUP TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF TAMARAC IN WATER POLLUTING LITIGATION AGAINST THREE M IN DUPONT SHMOYS. SORRY, MY ENGLISH IS NOT EVEN SO GOOD THAT I THIS FRENCH MAYOR.[00:25:04]
YEAH, SO SO.AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTED BY HANS, NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY.
HOWEVER, I DO SEE HERE THE ATTORNEY, MR. FERRERO JUNIOR.
I'M WONDERING WHY THIS IS NOT GIVEN US, GIVEN TO US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IN THIS SESSION.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT PUBLIC PERCEPTION THINKING THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ISSUES, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THESE ANY IMPACTS AND CONSEQUENCES ON OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR OPERATIONS AND DEALING WITH OUR WATER SUPPLY.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST THROWN OUT THERE AS IF.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE A PROBLEM AND THERE'S BEEN NO INTERNAL DISCUSSION FOR POTENTIAL NEGOTIATION.
AND ALSO YOUR DOCUMENTS SAY CONFIDENTIAL.
YET WE JUST THREW THAT SUCKER RIGHT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.
SO WHY IS THIS NOT A SHADE SESSION? FIRST OF ALL, THE SHADE SECTION ONLY APPLIES WHEN THE CITY IS BASICALLY INVOLVED IN THE LITIGATION.
WE ARE NOT A PARTY TO THIS LITIGATION AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL BY THE FERRARA FIRM TO REPRESENT THE CITY IN A WATER POLLUTION CASE, ALLEGED WATER POLLUTION CASE, JUST LIKE IT REPRESENTED SEVERAL OTHER CITIES, INCLUDING OUR NEIGHBOR CITY OF ORLANDO, PROVIDE WATER TO OUR RESIDENTS IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO HOW CITIES BECAME PARTIES TO THE OPIOID LITIGATION.
YOU KNOW, I HAD TO SIGN OFF WITH THE COMMISSION APPROVAL WITH A FORMER CLIENT, THAT UNSOLICITED SOLICITATION BY A LAW FIRM THAT THEY WANTED TO REPRESENT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THE OPIOID LITIGATION, WHICH THE CITY AND THE MANAGER PROBABLY LIKES, NO EXPENSE WILL BE SPENT BY THE CITY.
THIS IS NOTHING BUT A REVENUE GENERATOR.
SESSION IS NOT PERMITTED IN THIS CASE.
I GUESS I READ THE LAW DIFFERENTLY ON PERMISSION OF SHADE SESSION.
IT'S FOR ANTICIPATORY ANTICIPATORY LITIGATION.
THIS IS I WILL TELL YOU AND YOU CAN YOU CAN, YOU CAN.
IN THIS. IT'S NOT WE USE TO BE WE HAVE BEEN PROTECTED IN THE PAST.
AND ALSO WE'RE DEALING WITH NEGOTIATIONS WHEN PUBLIC BARGAINING IS GOING ON.
WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GO INTO, SAY, SESSION, IF WE'RE IN LITIGATION ALREADY, IT'S NOT.
SO THEREFORE THERE ARE REASONS FOR WHY THE SHADE SESSIONS ARE USED.
AND YOU CAN THEN IT'S GOT A COURT REPORTER AND THEN IT BRINGS IT INTO THE LIGHT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU OR YOUR FIRM OR YOUR SOLICITATION.
IT IS THE MECHANISM IN WHICH WE ARE FREE TO SPEAK, TO PROTECT OUR CITY.
I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH MECHANISM.
IN FACT, IF MR. FARRAR WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT, HE WOULD NOT PROVIDE ME WITH THE INFORMATION AND COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION MEETING.
SO, I MEAN, SEE HOW THE PRESENTATION COMES TO US.
IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO RETAIN MR..
I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE USING THE RIGHT PROCESS TO RETAIN MR. FARRAR FOR. FOR.
IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT IN ANY FORMAT, WHETHER IN A SUGGESTION OR RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S WHATEVER THE CITY'S PREFERENCE.
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DISCUSS IT HERE, IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS BY THE COMMISSION THAT.MAY AFFECT THE ABILITY FOR YOU TO LITIGATE.
IS WHY I WANT A SHADE SESSION.
IF WE SHOULD DECIDE TO HAVE YOU REPRESENT US.
IF THIS COMMISSION WISHES TO WAIVE ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS, THEN WE WILL PROCEED.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS I WOULD LIKE MORE CLARITY AS TO YOUR POSITION ON THIS.
I'M CONFUSED. SO I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
SORRY. YEAH. AND AS YOUR ATTORNEY, I'M INDICATING CLEARLY CITY IS NOT A PARTY TO THIS LAWSUIT.
WE RECEIVE UNSOLICITED VISITATION, WHICH I HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS TIMES, HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A CLASS ACTION AGAINST A CORPORATION THAT MAY HAVE DAMAGED THE CITY IN SOME FORM. AND SO, PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE CITY, JUST LIKE OTHER CITIES REPRESENT FOR OUR FIRM, SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN LITIGATION BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY ANY MONEY, AND THERE'S POTENTIAL DAMAGE CLAIM REVENUES THAT MAY COME BACK TO THE CITY, JUST LIKE THE OPIOID.
SO OPIOID LITIGATION WHICH MR..
OUR FIRM WAS INVOLVED IS SIMILAR PROCESS THAT THAT MY CLIENTS THAT I REPRESENT ENTERED.
IT WASN'T NO STRAIGHT SESSION IT WASN'T ANY ANTICIPATORY LITIGATION.
THIS IS THIS LITIGATION IS ALREADY.
COULD TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUES AT HAND.
SO WE ARE NOT PARTY TO THE LITIGATION.
THERE'S NO NEGOTIATION OF SETTLEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THIS LITIGATION.
THAT'S GENERALLY SAFE SESSIONS FOR LITIGATION.
GENERALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A LAWSUIT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE AND SETTLE THAT LAWSUIT, WHICH WE HAVE THIS AFTERNOON, BECAUSE THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, WHAT THE LAW PERMITS FOR US AT 2:00 TODAY.
SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR A STATUS.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR POSITION ON AS TO WHY WE NEED A STAY IN PLACE? BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE MAY NEED TO DISCUSS ABOUT IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S ANY LIABILITY.
IS THERE ANY LIABILITY AGAINST THE CITY? WHAT KIND OF CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH IF THERE'S AN EFFECT IN OUR CITY? WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH ANY OF OUR WATER SUPPLY? WHEN HAVE WE STARTED OR STOPPED USING ROUNDUP? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT THE CITY MIGHT BE DISCUSSING TODAY THAT WOULD CAUSE US A POTENTIAL ISSUE IF WE DO OR DO NOT GO INTO THIS LAWSUIT? WHERE ARE OUR PROTECTIONS AS A CITY? WE DON'T GET TO FREELY DISCUSS THESE ITEMS AND GET SOME INFORMATION TO LEAD US IN A PROPER DIRECTION.
JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A LAWSUIT THAT IS OUT THERE THAT HAS ALREADY RESOLVED SOME OF THE ISSUES.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN IN HERE.
THAT'S FINE, BUT WE HAVE SOME CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE NEED.
WE HAVE SOME PROTECTIONS THAT WE NEED AS A CITY.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FULLY.
GET THEM IN AN OPEN CONVERSATION THAT MIGHT LEAD TO NEGOTIATIONS.
THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A POT OF MONEY THAT WE COULD HAVE ACCESS TO WHERE IT WILL NOT COST US SOME STUFF, BUT WE MIGHT NEED PROTECTIONS IN CERTAIN OTHER AREAS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW YET, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO.
I WOULD REALLY LOVE IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY LONG DAY IF I'M NOT ABLE TO FINISH A SENTENCE.
WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LONG DAY.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'M NOT CUTTING YOU OFF.
I'M JUST. YOU ARE SPEAKING WHILE I'M SPEAKING, AND THEREFORE YOU'RE CUTTING ME OFF.
NOT AS COMPLICATED AS YOU, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S NOT. CITY ATTORNEY.
AND I AM GOING TO FINISH THE SENTENCE.
YOU'RE NOT DO I GO TO COURT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE GONE TO COURT TO JUST BECAUSE I'VE CHANGED MY PRACTICE.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LITIGATE.
SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU AND ME.
MY CONCERN WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GETTING INTO LITIGATION AND WE ARE NARROWLY LOOKING AT THINGS AND NOT LOOKING AT THE BROAD PICTURE AT THE INITIAL ONSET OF THINGS, WHAT POTENTIAL ISSUES COULD THE CITY BE HAVING? WE ARE OBLIGATED TO LOOK AT THINGS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A HOLISTIC MANNER THAN JUST WITH BLINDFOLDS ON AND SAY, HEY, WE CAN ENTER INTO A LAWSUIT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET MONEY OUT OF IT.
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THAT'S THE CARROT.I DON'T WANT TO GET HIT BY THAT STICK.
I DON'T WANT OUR COMMISSION OR OUR CITY TO GET HIT BY THAT STICK, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO DISCUSS THIS PROPERLY IN THE SHADE SESSIONS THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO WHEN DISCUSSING LITIGATION.
NOW. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? GO FOR IT. AGAIN, AS I STATED EARLIER, IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR A STUDY SESSION, I WOULD OBVIOUSLY REQUEST IT, WHICH I DID WITH THE OTHER CASE WITH THE CITY AS A PARTY WITH RESPECT TO THIS MATTER.
NEIGHBORING CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE ALREADY HAVE TO RECEIVE WHATEVER BENEFITS THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE WITH RESPECT TO STATUS REPORT? AS IF WE ENTER INTO THIS LAWSUIT, THEN EVENTUALLY, IF THE SAME SESSION IS NEEDED TO GIVE THE CITY A STATUS REPORT AS TERMS OF ISSUES RELATING TO THIS CASE, THAT'S WHEN THE STATE SESSION IS GENERALLY CALLED.
THIS IS THIS IS NOT THIS IS A MATTER WHERE THE ISSUE RELATING TO THE LITIGATION IS ALREADY HAS BEEN INITIATED BY SEVERAL PARTIES.
AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS COMING IN AS A PARTY AT A JUNCTURE.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED MR. FARRELL HAS, HAS SOME OF THE CLIENTS CERTIFICATION BEEN RESOLVED, WHICH HE INDICATED? YES. SO WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE, THANKFULLY, MR. FARRELL WAS ABLE TO CONTACT US AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU GUYS WANT TO BE PART OF THIS LAWSUIT? I DON'T BELIEVE A STATE SESSION IS REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW.
IF IT WAS, I WOULD HAVE OBVIOUSLY CALLED IT.
BUT THE ISSUE HERE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
DO YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THIS LITIGATION OR NOT? IT DOESN'T FOR ME, AS THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED MR. FERRARA TO COME HERE AND SAY, LOOK, GIVE THE PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, INDICATE WHY THIS LITIGATION IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT I WOULD SAY WOULD JEOPARDIZE ANY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, WHY THE CITY SHOULD JOIN AS A PARTY, THEN AS LITIGATION GOES ON, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC IMPACTS WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER SUPPLY OF THE CITY AND RELATES TO WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE, WE CAN HAVE A SAFE SESSION.
FARRAR COULD COME HERE AND SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE MR..
FARRELL, YOU KNOW I DON'T ONE OF THE ISSUE IS THAT MAYOR YOU INDICATED HOW DOES IT IMPACT US? WELL, MR. FARRELL CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE GENERAL ISSUES BECAUSE SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT CITY OF FLORIDA HAS.
CORRECT. SO BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOT THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE LITIGATION.
IT'S OPEN. IT'S OPEN FOR ANYONE TO SEE ALREADY.
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SOMETHING CONFIDENTIAL.
BUT AGAIN, THE REASON WHY I BRING THIS UP TO THE COMMISSION, AS IS, IS THE FACT THAT THIS LITIGATION IS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT THE ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE WATER POLLUTION IS, IS BEING LITIGATED AS WE SPEAK NOW.
AND SO THE SHADE SESSION BASED ON THE LAW IS IF WE'RE NOT A PARTY TO THIS LAWSUIT, WE'RE NOT NEGOTIATING ANY SETTLEMENT IN TERMS OF ANTICIPATORY LITIGATION GENERALLY IS WHEN THE CITY IS ABOUT TO BE SUED, YOU GET A DEMAND LETTER AND YOU ANTICIPATE THE LAWSUIT AND YOU WOULD GO INTO, SAY, SESSION AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT THIS MATTER IS REALLY THE OPIOID LITIGATION WAS RECENT, WHERE SEVERAL MUNICIPALITIES RECEIVED A NUMBER OF SETTLEMENT FROM THE STATE AND A NUMBER OF LAW FIRMS. YOU SOLICIT ME AS A CITY ATTORNEY, AND THERE WAS NO SAFE SESSION TO EXECUTE A RETAINER AGREEMENT.
AND IN FACT, THERE WAS NO SAFE SESSION THROUGHOUT THE LITIGATION.
AND RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THE STAGE OF LITIGATION, THE CITY WILL NOT BE A LEAD CLASS.
IT'S A SIMPLE ISSUE THAT I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION RETAIN.
MISS MR. FARRAR GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION? NOT YET. THANK YOU.
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NOT YET. THANK YOU.SECOND OF ALL, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID ON THE SHADE SESSION IS IF WE THINK THAT COULD BE POTENTIAL LITIGATION WITHOUT DISCUSSING CERTAIN CONCERNS, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE MIGHT NOT HAVE POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
ON THAT NOTE, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER. DANIEL.
IF IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR WATER SUPPLY, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT ANYWAY, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION REGARDING.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE SPEAKING? I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, HOWEVER, THE MAYOR, THE COMMISSION, THE CITY ATTORNEY.
I'M HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION AFFECT ANY FUTURE LITIGATION OR PROBLEMS WITH THE CITY.
NOW THESE ARE PROPOSED NATIONWIDE CLASS SETTLEMENTS.
THE CASE ITSELF IS NOT A CLASS ACTION, BUT THE SETTLEMENTS ARE BEING PRESENTED ON A CLASS BASIS.
SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY URGENCY I HAVE.
I'M TOTALLY COMFORTABLE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS IN ANY FORMAT IN FRONT OF.
SO IF WE ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT POSSIBLY COULD GET US OR GET THE CITY IN PROBLEMS WHICH I DON'T SEE HAPPENING, UM, JUST DON'T ANSWER, I WOULD SAY.
SO THERE IS NOTHING THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT YOUR UTILITIES HAS DONE WRONG.
THERE'S NOTHING UNIQUE TO THIS ISSUE.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S CITY OF FORT, WHETHER IT'S BOCA RATON, WHETHER IT'S AS FAR SOUTH AS HOMESTEAD, EVERYONE IS IN THE SAME POSITION FROM A UTILITIES PERSPECTIVE ON THIS ISSUE.
AND SO TECHNICALLY WE'RE INVOLVED REGARDLESS.
YES. SO I'M OKAY WITH YOU SPEAKING.
COMMISSIONER. VICE MAYOR BOLTON.
THANK YOU. WHAT? HAVE YOU BEEN RETAINED BY OTHER CITIES? YES, WE'VE BEEN RETAINED BY SEVEN OTHER CITIES IN SOUTH FLORIDA, INCLUDING FORT LAUDERDALE, WHICH SUPPLIES.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY SUPPLY SOME WATER TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
WELL, WHAT WAS YOUR MECHANISM IN RETAINING YOUR FIRM? SOME WERE FULL PRESENTATIONS TO CITY COMMISSIONS, LIKE AS RECENTLY AS THE CITY OF NORTH MIAMI BEACH ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
GIVE ME A MINUTE. NONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
AND. THOSE MEETINGS YOU'RE SAYING ARE A VARIATION OF WORKSHOPS AND CONSENT AGENDAS AND JUST PRIVATE MEETINGS. THERE WERE ACTUALLY THERE WERE NO WORKSHOPS IN THIS FORMAT.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN IN THIS FORMAT AS TO THESE CLIENTS IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
THOSE ARE ARCHIVED AND THOSE FULL.
SO THERE WERE PUBLIC MEETINGS WHERE THE PUBLIC THERE WERE THERE WERE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
AND AT THIS TIME, WE'RE NOT A PARTY TO A LAWSUIT.
HOWEVER, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT, AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE TWO SETTLEMENTS ON BEHALF OF TWO OF MANY DEFENDANTS IN THIS CASE, THAT THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE CITY IF NO ACTION IS TAKEN BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER 5TH AND DECEMBER 11TH, MEANING YOUR THE WAY THEY WORK YOU ARE IN THOSE SETTLEMENTS AGAIN, DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO GET A CHECK.
IT JUST MEANS YOU'VE RELEASED YOUR CLAIMS AGAINST THOSE DEFENDANTS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN TO SECURE FUNDS FOR THE CITY.
BUT YES, THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY.
OKAY THEN I COMMISSIONER I DON'T HAVE A.
SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE THEN.
THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION.
COMMISSIONER RIGHT. YOU SAID YOU HAVE SEVEN CITIES IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
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HOW MANY? HOW MANY DID YOU SOLICIT IN TOTAL? DID I SOLICIT? YEAH. HOW MANY DID YOU APPROACH? YOU CURRENTLY HAVE SEVEN.BUT HOW MANY DID YOU APPROACH? MEANING LIKE I'M A LITTLE.
THERE'S 30 PLUS CITIES IN BROWARD.
SO DID YOU DID YOU APPROACH EVERY CITY IN BROWARD? NO, NOT EVERY CITY IN BROWARD? NO. NO. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD HOW MANY WE'VE APPROACHED, BUT NOT MANY MORE THAN WE HAVE RETAINED.
OKAY. YOU SAID. YOU SAID SEVEN, BUT YOU ONLY MENTIONED TWO.
YOU MENTIONED HIALEAH, NOT MIAMI.
FORT LAUDERDALE HAS THREE. SORRY.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER FOUR? WE REPRESENT FORT LAUDERDALE, BOCA RATON, THE CITY OF HOLLYWOOD, NORTH MIAMI, NORTH MIAMI BEACH, COOPER CITY AND HIALEAH.
IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DID NOT APPROACH THE 31 CITIES IN BROWARD COUNTY? AND ONLY A FEW.
WELL, IT HAS TO BE A CITY THAT TREATS WATER.
SO SOME CITIES PURCHASE WATER FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR CLIENT CITY OF NORTH MIAMI BEACH, IT'S THE CITY OF NORTH MIAMI BEACH.
BUT THEY SUPPLY WATER TO AVENTURA, GOLDEN BEACH, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
SO THAT IS A HUGE REASON WHY I WOULDN'T, BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE CLAIMS IN THIS CASE.
BUT THAT'S PART OF THE REASON.
GOT IT. THANK YOU. PLEASE GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M JAMES FERRARO FROM THE FERRARO LAW FIRM.
WE'VE BEEN BASED IN SOUTH FLORIDA FOR APPROXIMATELY 40 YEARS.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MUNICIPALITIES REPRESENT IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
WE ALSO REPRESENT MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER THE STATE OF GEORGIA, MASSACHUSETTS.
JAMES, YOU HAVE A POWERPOINT? YES, I DO, AND I HAVE, YOU KNOW, INTEREST OF TIME.
OH, SURE. WELL, I HAVE IT ON A USB.
I'M GOING TO BREEZE THROUGH IT BECAUSE OUT OF INTEREST OF TIME.
YEAH, WELL, ACTUALLY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS ANYWAY.
IF I COULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION AS OPPOSED TO THE ABBREVIATED ONE.
OKAY. WELL, AS I WAS MENTIONING, JUST VERY BRIEF BACKGROUND ON OUR FIRM.
AS I SAID, WE'RE PRIMARILY A TOXIC TORT FIRM.
WE ARE PRIMARILY LITIGATING TOXIC TORT FIRM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN EXTENSIVE APPELLATE PRACTICE.
WE HAVE MORE TOXIC TORT APPEALS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAN PROBABLY ANY ANY FIRM.
AND WE'VE BEEN AT THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT MANY TIMES.
SO THIS IS THIS TYPE OF LITIGATION IS PRIMARILY ALL WE DO.
ASIDE FROM THE CLIENTS WHO REPRESENT, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE ON THE PLAINTIFFS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IN THE MULTIDISTRICT LITIGATION.
THE CASE INVOLVES MUNICIPALITIES.
IT INVOLVES INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN INJURED.
IT INVOLVES VARIOUS OTHER MUNICIPAL ENTITIES, SUCH AS AIRPORTS AND THE LIKE.
AS WAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED REPRESENTING MUNICIPALITIES IN THE OPIOID LITIGATION.
AND IN RECENTLY, WE ALSO ARE INVOLVED IN THE INSULIN PRICE FIXING LITIGATION AS WELL.
THESE ARE SOME OF OUR CURRENT CLIENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH, THE ONES FROM GEORGIA.
SO BRIEFLY, WHAT ARE P-FAS CHEMICALS?
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THEY ARE YOU FIND THEM IN A HOST OF CONSUMER AND INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTS.WHEN YOU FIND IT, YOU KNOW IT WAS MANUFACTURED AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER.
THEY'VE BEEN USED SINCE THEY WERE DEVELOPED IN THE 1940S.
THEY'VE BEEN USED SINCE THAT TIME FOR VARIOUS PRODUCTS.
THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY, AND THIS IS WIDELY KNOWN IN THE LITERATURE AND ONLINE, THIS HAS REALLY HIT MAINSTREAM, IS THAT THIS THIS CHEMICAL IS BEING FOUND IN PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE'S BLOOD.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IT BIOACCUMULATES YOUR BODY JUST DOESN'T RID THIS CHEMICAL.
AS IT RELATES TO MUNICIPALITIES AND PUBLIC WATER SYSTEMS, IT IS COSTLY TO REMOVE.
AND THAT'S WHY THIS LITIGATION IS IS WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S YOUR CLASS B FIREFIGHTING FOAM THAT'S USED TO PUT OUT CAR FIRES, AIRCRAFT FIRES AND THE LIKE.
THE REASON THAT'S THE MOST PROBLEMATIC IS BECAUSE IT'S DISCHARGED DIRECTLY INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
THE THE DEFENDANTS, THESE ARE ONLY SIX OF APPROXIMATELY 18 DEFENDANTS.
THE FIRST TWO ARE A BIG PART OF THE STORY.
AND THAT'S WHERE THESE TWO SETTLEMENTS ARE, IS WITH THREE M AND DUPONT.
THE VALUE OF THOSE SETTLEMENTS, AGAIN, THIS IS ON A NATIONWIDE BASIS.
THEY'RE TRYING TO SETTLE ONLY DRINKING WATER CLAIMS. THERE ARE OTHER CLAIMS IN THE LITIGATION, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO SETTLE WITH ALL PUBLIC WATER SYSTEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
DUPONT HAS PROPOSED 1.185 BILLION IN 3.
M HAS PROPOSED A SETTLEMENT VALUED BETWEEN 10.5 BILLION AND 12.5 BILLION.
HOWEVER, THERE'S TWO PARTS OF THIS.
THIS CASE, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS OBVIOUSLY GUIDING THE CITY THROUGH WHETHER THOSE TWO SETTLEMENTS MAKE SENSE AND THAT PROCESS, ASSUMING THEY PARTICIPATE, AND THEN ALSO PROCEEDING WITH A CASE AGAINST THE REMAINING DEFENDANTS BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL A LOT LEFT IN THIS CASE.
THREE M AND DUPONT ARE A BIG PART OF THE STORY, BUT THEY'RE ONLY PART OF IT.
WHAT'S DRIVING ALL OF THIS? YOU KNOW, THIS IS STILL AN UNREGULATED CONTAMINANT.
NOW, I WON'T GET INTO ALL THE SCIENCE AND BORE EVERYONE WITH THAT, BUT.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CONTAMINANT, OFTENTIMES YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IN PARTS PER BILLION BASIS OR PARTS PER MILLION BASIS, OR PARTS PER TRILLION IS PRETTY MUCH AS LOW AS YOU COULD GO. THE EPA PROPOSED THIS IN MARCH AND IT'S GOING TO BE FINAL.
THEY'RE ANTICIPATED BEING FINAL BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SOME STATES HAVE REGULATED IT, BUT THERE IS NOTHING THAT THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAS DONE WRONG BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT REGULATED, BUT THIS IS LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND WHAT ALL PUBLIC WATER SYSTEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
THE OTHER PORTION IS SUPPLIED BY THE CITY ITSELF.
UM. JUST LIKE ALL SOUTH FLORIDA MUNICIPALITIES, THEY SOURCE THEIR WATER FROM THE BISCAYNE AQUIFER.
SO WHEN I SAY EVERYONE'S IN THE SAME POSITION, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
THE FLORIDA, THE BISCAYNE AQUIFER.
MOST OF MY CLIENTS HAVE HAD THEIR WATER TESTED.
AND EVERYONE DOES FIND P-FAS CHEMICALS IN IT, ALBEIT AT A NOT THAT HIGH LEVEL.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN AND I DON'T THINK OTHER FOLKS DO.
HOWEVER. THERE DEALT WITH THE HAND THEY HAVE, AND THAT IS THAT THE US EPA IS GOING TO REGULATE THIS.
THE YEARLY WATER QUALITY REPORTS THAT ARE PUT OUT BY EVERY MUNICIPALITY AROUND THE COUNTRY.
SO IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MUNICIPALITIES TO TEST FOR TWO TYPES OF FAST P-FAS.
SO HERE'S HERE'S SOME READINGS FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
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BE HAPPY TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT THIS.BUT I MEAN EVERYONE, WHEN I SAY EVERYONE'S IN THE SAME POSITION, THEY ARE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE HAVE A WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE BISCAYNE AQUIFER, WHICH IS A SHALLOW, READILY ACCESSIBLE WATER SOURCE.
HOWEVER, THAT ALSO MEANS THAT IT CAN BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO RUNOFF.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
THIS IS THESE ARE SOME OF THE TREATMENT OPTIONS FOR PFAS.
THE MOST WIDELY KNOWN ONE IS CALLED GRANULAR ACTIVATED CARBON OR GAC.
YOU COULD PUT ONE OF THESE ON YOUR HOME, FILL YOUR HOME TAP RIGHT.
BUT ON A LARGER LEVEL FOR THE MUNICIPALITY ITSELF IN THESE SETTLEMENTS ARE GEARED FOR THAT DIRECTLY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A PICTURE OF FORT LAUDERDALE'S REVERSE OSMOSIS PLANT.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY A UNIQUE, SOMEWHAT UNIQUE SITUATION.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TECHNOLOGY IN PLACE THAT CAN TREAT FOR P-FAS.
BUT THEY WEREN'T LOOKING AT THIS.
AND NOW THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO RETROFIT THAT PLANT TO TREAT FOR P-FAS.
SO IN ONE IMPORTANT PART AND I'LL GET TO IN A SECOND.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A PICTURE THAT I TOOK.
SO AGAIN WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS SINCE 2019.
THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKEN AT THE FLORIDA STATE FIRE COLLEGE AND IN OCALA.
WE HAVE A CASE INVOLVING THAT SITE.
ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN IS A MEMBER OF THE FDEP.
ONE'S OUR EXPERT AND THE OTHER IS AN EXPERT ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANTS.
SO WHAT WAS HAPPENING? THESE ARE ACTUALLY DRUMS OF A TRIPLE F, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A VISUAL.
THE FDEP WAS COMING IN AND SAYING, WE NEED TO REMOVE THIS.
AND IT STARTED A WHOLE UPROAR ON A LEGAL FRONT, BUT WE HAD TO GO IN.
WE DID TESTING AND ALL OF THAT.
SO I HAD TO SEE FIRSTHAND WHAT THIS TAKES TO KIND OF REMOVE AND DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE.
THIS IS JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR IN THE MDL.
I MEAN, 100 DEPOSITIONS, THERE WAS A BELLWETHER TRIAL.
SO ACTUALLY IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT IS THE CITY OF STUART.
THERE WERE ONE OF THE EARLIER CASES TO FILE.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY SELECTED AS A BELLWETHER CASE.
SO JUST LIKE IN OPIOIDS, THERE WERE BELLWETHER CASES.
BUT WHAT WAS TELLING WAS THEY DIDN'T EVEN TRY THE CASE.
IT'S SETTLED. AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF WAS THE CATALYST BEHIND THESE TWO RECENT SETTLEMENTS.
THEY WERE ANNOUNCED RIGHT BEFORE WE WERE SET TO START TRIAL IN THAT CASE AND CITY OF STUART, YOU KNOW, SMALLER CITY, 20,000, ABOUT 20,000 POPULATION IN THAT CASE SETTLED AND KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR THESE THE THREE M AND DUPONT SETTLEMENTS.
THE IMPORTANT PART AGAIN IS THESE TWO SETTLEMENTS ONLY COVER DRINKING WATER.
SO SO SOME MUNICIPALITIES HAVE OTHER CLAIMS ASIDE FROM JUST DRINKING WATER.
IF YOU GO ON THE FDP'S WEBSITE, YOU COULD SEE A SITE OF A LIST OF ABOUT 25 CONTAMINATION SITES.
AND THEN ALSO FIRE TRAINING FACILITIES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE TWO CLIENTS THAT HAVE A SITE THAT'S ON THAT LIST.
SO THEY DON'T ONLY HAVE A DRINKING WATER CLAIM, THEY ALSO HAVE A SOIL CONTAMINATION CLAIM.
AND THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AND IT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S WIDELY KNOWN.
THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH THE FTP AND SITE VISITS AND THINGS OF THE LIKE.
SO BUT THESE SETTLEMENTS ONLY COVER THE DRINKING WATER PART OF THIS CASE.
IN. JUST TO KIND OF PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR MY THIS PICTURE.
THIS IS THE FLORIDA STATE FIRE COLLEGE.
AND THIS IS A TRIPLE F FOAM SPRAYED OUT IN A FIELD.
NOBODY. NO FIRE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC UTILITIES.
BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY, HEY, PUT P-FAS CHEMICALS IN THIS.
AND THIS IS THIS WAS COMMONPLACE FOR YEARS.
AND ALL THE DISCOVERY THAT'S BEEN DONE ON BEHALF OF OUR FIRM AND OTHER FIRMS INVOLVED IN THIS, IT REALLY IT HITS REALLY HARD. AND THIS WAS AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY.
SO I HOPE THAT WAS INFORMATIVE.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
COMMISSIONER DANIEL. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
I'M GLAD I IS THIS WORK? LIKE THIS? YEAH.
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YOU COULD. OKAY, SO THANK YOU.I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT PRESENTATION.
IN FACT, IT WAS EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE.
AND SEEING THE FIREFIGHTERS JUST PLAYING WITH DANGER WAS SCARY.
I SAW PREECLAMPSIA ON ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THIS CAUSES.
I LOST A BABY IN 2016 AT 36 WEEKS FROM PREECLAMPSIA.
I'M SORRY. AND YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE IT.
BUT NOT TO SAY THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING A WOMAN SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T EVEN GET OVER.
I MEAN, TO THIS DAY, I HAVE BLOOD PRESSURE BECAUSE OF PREECLAMPSIA.
AND TO THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THIS AND CARING ABOUT US.
AND ANYTHING THAT I CAN DO TO SUPPORT, I WILL GLADLY.
THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE FISCAL IMPACT TO THE CITY IF WE ENGAGE YOUR SERVICES? THERE'S NO FEE OR COST.
IT'S ALL ON A CONTINGENCY FEE BASIS.
AND TO BE HONEST, WE'VE ALL THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
AND BY THE WAY, MIAMI DADE COUNTY AND BROWARD COUNTY ARE ALSO INVOLVED.
THEY'RE ALL UNDER PRETTY MUCH THE SAME RETAINER.
AND IT'S IT'S A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE.
BUT AGAIN, NO, NO FEES OR COSTS OUT OF POCKET COSTS TO THE CITY.
SO IF THE CITY IS ON THE LOSING END, IS THERE A FEE? NO. SO WE ASSUME THAT.
OKAY. SO THE ONLY SO SO NO FISCAL IMPACT AT ALL.
BUT IF THE CITY WERE TO HAVE A VICTORY OF LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THEN WE WOULD BE COMPENSATED.
AND HOW MUCH? WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE? IT'S A SLIDING SCALE RETAINER.
BUT ONCE, ONCE THE LAWSUIT IS COMMENCED, IT'S 15% AND IT CAPS AT 20%.
AND THAT'S INCLUSIVE OF COSTS AND FEES.
SO EVEN IF THE COSTS SKYROCKETED AND ATE INTO THE POTENTIAL RECOVERY, WE'D BE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT.
IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 20% OF THE RECOVERY.
AND SO THAT'S THE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY.
AND I THINK I HEARD SOME BENEFITS FOR THE RESIDENTS.
BUT EXPLAIN HOW THIS HELPS OUR RESIDENTS AND HOW THIS HELPS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS.
YOU HAVE STRICT REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT YOU COULD USE THAT MONEY FOR.
IT HAD TO BE USED FOR ABATEMENT FOR ADDICTION TREATMENT.
HERE. THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF THE FUNDS.
SO IT'S BASICALLY IN TO MAKE IT SIMPLE.
IT'S LIKE PUTTING A FILTRATION SYSTEM ON YOUR OWN TAP.
BUT FOR THE WHOLE CITY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS MORE COSTLY.
BUT THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WHAT THE AIM IS OF THESE SETTLEMENTS IS DOING JUST THAT.
SO IT'S AN IMMENSE BENEFIT TO, TO YOUR CITIZENS.
I MEAN, IT'S AND I THINK IN THE NEAR FUTURE, ALL OF SOUTH FLORIDA WILL WILL BE THERE.
RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SURE. SO WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE $1.12 BILLION IS CHUMP CHANGE TO THREE M AND DUPONT.
AND AS YOU RECOMMENDED, WE USE THE FUNDS.
ONCE WE RECEIVE IT, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THAT WE WOULD.
YOU WILL WIN THE CASE OVER THIS CONSIDERING THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THE COMMUNITIES.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY WHY VICE MAYOR IS DRINKING FIJI WATER.
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MY QUESTION IS, IF WE SPEND $10 MILLION TO PUT ALL THESE FILTRATIONS.WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COST IS ACTUALLY 15 TO $20 MILLION FOR US, BUT WE'RE ALREADY OUTSIDE THAT SCOPE OF SETTLEMENT? YEAH. SO VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.
AND THESE ARE ALWAYS THE CONCERNS.
SO I'LL SAY A FEW THINGS ON THAT.
AND THIS IS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION TOO AT THE TIMELINE IS I WOULD LIKE TO BE RETAINED SO THAT WE COULD SO THAT I COULD GET WITH YOUR PUBLIC UTILITIES DIRECTOR, FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM, BECAUSE THAT VARIES.
EVERYONE HAS THIS ISSUE, BUT IT'S DIFFERS AS FAR AS THE COSTS, OBVIOUSLY, HOW MUCH WATER YOU TREAT SOMEONE WHO TREATS MORE WATER IS GOING TO HAVE MORE COST, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THEN SOME FOLKS ALREADY HAVE A PLANT THAT'S IN PLACE THAT COULD BE RETROFITTED.
SOME FOLKS NEED AN ENTIRELY NEW PLANT.
I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT'S A SITUATION I KNOW FORT LAUDERDALE IS GOING THROUGH.
THEY HAVE. THEY APPROVED A WHOLE NEW PLANT.
IT WASN'T JUST BECAUSE OF P-FAS, IT WAS BECAUSE OF VARIOUS OTHER REASONS.
SO THAT CONSIDERATION NEEDS TO BE WEIGHED WHEN LOOKING AT THESE TWO SETTLEMENTS, HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO COST AND HOW MUCH AM I GOING TO GET? BECAUSE THERE ARE ESTIMATED THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF BEING RETAINED IS ONCE I DO GET SOME DATA FROM YOUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, I'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU ESTIMATED ALLOCATIONS.
YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, HEY, I WANT TO OPT OUT.
THERE'S ACTUAL STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN BY DECEMBER 4TH AND DECEMBER 11TH.
THIS. AS YOU MENTIONED, THESE THESE SUMS OF MONEY DO SEEM LIKE CHUMP CHANGE.
I'D SAY IT'S CHUMP CHANGE FOR DUPONT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT CHUMP CHANGE FOR THREE M.
THREE M HAS A MARKET CAP OF ABOUT $70 BILLION.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT'S 300 BILLION.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT'S A TRILLION.
I MEAN, IT'S A HUGE EYE WATERING NUMBER.
IT'S A NUMBER THAT WOULD BANKRUPT ALL THESE DEFENDANTS FIVE TIMES OVER, INCLUDING THREE M.
SO THAT'S THAT'S ALSO THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS IF YOU OPT OUT, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING I'M LITIGATING AGAINST DUPONT THREE M BUT THERE IS A REAL BANKRUPTCY RISK FOR SOME OF THESE DEFENDANTS.
THEY ALSO MAKE YOUR YOUR FIRE EXTINGUISHERS THAT ARE ON THE WALL.
BUT THEY ALSO MADE A TRIPLE F.
SO THERE'S THOSE CONSIDERATIONS TO WEIGH.
I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS TOLD FOLKS YOU CAN ASSUME THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR, MEANING THREE M AND DUPONT AND THESE TYPES OF SETTLEMENTS ARE GOING TO COMPENSATE YOU DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR ON THIS ISSUE, BUT IT WILL HELP.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO FEDERAL AND POTENTIALLY STATE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THIS ISSUE TOO.
AND THESE SETTLEMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO GO GET THEM.
AND GETTING THAT MONEY IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE SETTLEMENTS.
SO. TO SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.
IT'S UNLIKELY, BUT I THINK THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN THUS FAR ARE NO ONE HAS.
NO ONE HAS OUTRIGHT BALKED AT THEM AND SAID, THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUSLY LOW.
THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, PERHAPS UTILITY.
SO WE, MR. FERRERO, IS HERE BEFORE US.
I'M SURE THERE'S BEEN TALKS ALREADY PRIOR TO THIS.
UM, IS THERE I MEAN, FOR FOLKS LISTENING FROM HOME OR FROM WHEREVER, I'M SURE WHEN THEY LISTEN TO THIS, IT'S KIND OF SCARY, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER DANIEL SHARED A STORY.
I'M SURE THAT MANY PEOPLE WILL ALSO BE AFFECTED OR HAVE BEEN AFFECTED.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE DO WE HAVE A GAME PLAN ALREADY IN PLACE OR IS THAT SOMETHING BEING WORKED ON, OR ARE WE WAITING FOR THE MONEY FIRST? AND IF, LET'S SAY WE DON'T GET THE MONEY, ARE WE STILL TAKING ACTION? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
THE CITY IS TAKING CARE OF IT.
COMMISSIONER. ORIGINALLY THIS THIS CONCERN WAS BROUGHT TO US BY BY OUR PUBLIC SERVICES ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR FOR UTILITIES AND THE PUBLIC SERVICES STAFF.
SO THEY ARE PLANNING FOR THIS REGULATION THAT'S COMING TO, TO TO EFFECT IN 2024 POTENTIALLY.
SO IF YOU WISH, WE CAN PROBABLY PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ON ON THE CITY'S ACTION PLAN IN TERMS OF DEALING WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS NEW REGULATION.
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UM. YOU KNOW, THANKFULLY I DRINK THE CHEAPEST.YEAH, I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S ANOTHER CHEAP THAT'S COMING NEXT.
WHAT ADDITIONAL STEPS ARE THESE DEFENDANTS DOING? DID THEY STOP DOING ALL THIS, THESE PRODUCTS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO THE TWO MOST COMMON PFAS ARE CALLED PFOA, WHICH IS MADE PRIMARILY BY DUPONT AND A HOST OF OTHER DEFENDANTS AND THEN PFOS.
BUT THE CRAZY THING ABOUT THESE CHEMICALS, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ALSO I DIDN'T MENTION THIS, BUT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM REFERRED TO AS FOREVER CHEMICALS BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T GO AWAY. THEY STAY IN THE ENVIRONMENT FOR DECADES.
THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE IS FIRE DEPARTMENTS DIDN'T KNOW.
AND AS YOU SAW THOSE BARRELS THAT I SHOWED, THEY LOOK PRETTY OLD, RIGHT? AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE DOD, THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, WOULD OFTENTIMES DONATE THEIR EXCESS FOAM TO FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THEY WERE GIVING TO DIDN'T KNOW.
SO THEY WERE USING FOAM THAT WAS MANUFACTURED IN, LET'S SAY, 2001.
THEY'RE USING IT TEN YEARS LATER.
IT WAS USED IN TEFLON, FOR EXAMPLE IN PANS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A LAWYER THAT WE WORK WITH.
HE'S PART OF THE COMMITTEE WHO IS IN A MOVIE CALLED DARK WATERS.
SO THIS IS THERE'S DEFINITELY IMMENSE PROGRESS AS FAR AS STEMMING THE TIDE.
YOU'RE NOT SEEING NEW P-FAS CHEMICALS BEING PUT INTO PRODUCTS.
YOU KNOW THERE'S REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT YOU HAVE TO REPORT IT TO THE EPA.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS OTHER REGULATIONS THAT ARE COMING DOWN.
WE HAVE THIS ON A BACKUP. MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING.
WAS THIS IN A BACKUP? SO THIS WAS JUST GIVEN TO US, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. YES.
THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON WHICH MR. FARROW HAD PROVIDE.
WHY DON'T WE. WHY DON'T WE GET THIS BEFORE? SO WE COULD HAVE. WHY DON'T WE GET THIS BEFORE? BEFORE WE. WELL, I GAVE YOU WHATEVER INFORMATION MR. FARROW HAD GIVEN TO ME AT THAT POINT.
SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, I THINK, IS THE DOCUMENT THAT I, THAT I PROVIDED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, FOR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITY NOW, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THIS MORE IN THE SHADE IN CASE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LITIGATION THAT'S GOING TO COME AGAINST US SO WE COULD BE PREPARED.
UM, I KNOW THAT OUR CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON A NEW WATER PLANT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR YEARS.
WE GET INVOLVED IN THIS IF WE GET FUNDS.
PROBLEM THAT'S COMING TO LIGHT NOW.
I'M GOING TO GO OUT OF ORDER FOR SOME OF MY QUESTIONS.
I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON SOME KIND OF.
COMMUNICATION TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE SAYING TO THEM.
AND ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WAS IN HERE SAID ROUNDUP.
SO IN THE BACK, NO ROUNDUP FOR THESE ITEMS. OKAY, SO THESE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED TO GET INTO OUR WATER, RIGHT.
WHETHER WE'VE USED THEM FOR LANDSCAPING, WE DON'T KNOW.
RIGHT. HAVE WE USED THEM FOR LANDSCAPING? NO. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AGAIN, MOST PROBLEMATIC WOULD BE IN FIREFIGHTING FOAM.
THEY'VE THEY'VE NOW USED A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT CHEMICAL.
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I GOT A THUMBS UP FROM THE FIRE CHIEF AND THEN BUT WE'RE GOING TO OUR DRINKING WATER, WHICH I'M HOPEFUL TO HEAR FROM OUR PUBLIC SERVICES THAT WE'VE REMEDIED THAT AS BEST WE CAN FROM OUR DRINKING WATER, WITH OUR FILTERS OR WHATEVER WE NEEDED TO DO.SO IT'S A FIVE YEAR LIFE ON IT.
ARE WE GOING TO EVEN HAVE ANY RESULTS TO SAY THAT WE QUALIFY TO RECEIVE FUNDS IN THIS LAWSUIT, BECAUSE WE HAVE TAKEN THE REMEDIAL STEPS RIGHT AWAY TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS IN OUR DRINKING WATER.
SO LOOK AT IT AS LIKE A SUBTERRANEAN POOL.
NO MATTER WHERE YOUR WELLS ARE WITHIN THE BISCAYNE AQUIFER, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND RESULT.
YOU'RE GOING TO FIND TEST RESULTS THAT ARE POSITIVE.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT COULD COME FROM ANY, ANY WHICH WAY.
YOU KNOW, THE AQUIFER FLOWS NORTH TO SOUTH.
AND IT GETS INTO THE WATER SUPPLY AND IT FLOWS SOUTH.
I'M SURE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF THEY'RE NOT USING IT, THEY'RE DOING THEIR PART.
BUT IT'S IT'S A BIGGER, MORE WIDESPREAD ISSUE THAN JUST A LOCAL THING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE COMING FROM ALL OVER, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S COMING FROM ALL OVER.
I'M NOT CONCERNED THAT WE'VE DONE ANYTHING WRONG.
MY CONCERN IS MAKING SURE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S ONE.
BUT TWO, IF WE'RE TO QUALIFY FOR SOME OF THE CAPITAL THAT'S IN THIS AGREEMENT, IF WE HAVE TO SHOW WE HAVE IT IN OUR WATER, WHEN OUR CITY HAS TAKEN STEPS TO PROTECT OUR WATER OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS FOR THIS.
IT'S GOT TO GO INTO OUR FILTERS.
OUR FILTERS ARE WORKING TO GET IT OUT.
OKAY, SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASK AND NOT WORRY THAT I'M PUTTING OUR CITY IN JEOPARDY OF ANYTHING, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT STEPS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS FROM HAVING ISSUES THAT COME FROM THESE ITEMS IN OUR DRINKING WATER.
I KNOW THERE'S NOT A BLAME HERE.
THEN MY NEXT QUESTION COMES FOR SOME OF THE MONEY.
IF WE SHOULD RECEIVE IT, HOW MUCH THE CITY SHOULD PROBABLY BE ALLOCATING FOR WHEN WE GET SUED, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE NUMBERS THAT WILL NOW SHOW THAT OUR DRINKING WATER HAD THIS IN THERE. WHAT IS? THERE'S PROPOSED LITIGATION PROTECTION FROM THE SENATE THAT WENT IN IN MAY 2023.
THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE TO PROTECT THE CITIES FROM BEING SUED BY THE FINES THAT WE ARE GOING TO, THE FINDINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE BY BEING A PART OF THIS. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T BE A PART OF IT.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE SHOULD. BUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AS A CITY TO PROTECT OURSELVES? DO WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING THINGS LIKE, IF WE GET THIS SUM OF MONEY, WE NEED TO PUT A POT AWAY FOR WHEN THE RESIDENTS WHO MIGHT GET SICK, WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO STEM IT TO OUR DRINKING WATER AND SAY IT'S OUR FAULT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THE BIGGER COMPANIES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO EITHER BE BANKRUPT OR THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SAID IN THEIR LAWSUITS THAT THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING FURTHER.
WHERE DOES THE CITY'S PROTECTION WHEN THEY TRY TO COME AFTER US? AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANSWERS FOR ME RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS, WE NEED SOME ANSWERS.
WE NEED SOME PROTECTION TO NOT SAY THAT WE'RE NOT CULPABLE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT.
THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS EVER DONE WRONG.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WERE UTILIZED.
AND IT WAS. USE ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND YOU HAVE A FINDING OF TIME THAT REVEALS THAT THESE ITEMS THAT WERE CREATED FOR THE BENEFIT AND ATTEMPTED GOOD THINGS LIKE KEEPING OUR FIREFIGHTERS SAFE, PUTTING OUT FIRES QUICKLY, HAVING POTS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE GUNK STAY ALL OVER SO YOU CAN COOK EASIER AND HAVE THINGS EASY THROUGH A CLEANING OR FOR DRINKING OUR WATER.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENT WAS NOT NEGATIVE.
AT LEAST THAT'S NOT BELIEVED FROM THIS AND DEFINITELY NOT THE CITY.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO BE PREPARED TO HELP? NOTICE WITH OUR RESIDENTS KEEPING THEM SAFE GOING FORWARD.
MAYOR, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO TO PREPARE A PRESENTATION FOR OUR ACTION PLAN.
YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT WE WOULD DO NEXT YEAR.
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EPA'S STANDARD TESTING PROCEDURES.AND ONCE THEY DO, THEN WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE PART YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE WE WOULD BE TAKING THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO COMPLY WITH THE EPA REGULATIONS.
IN TERMS OF THE CITIES, YOU KNOW, RISK FOR FOR LITIGATION.
IT'S ALWAYS THERE, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PART OF THIS LAWSUIT OR NOT.
BUT IN TERMS OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE A PRESENTATION IN TERMS OF OUR PLANS FOR FOR FUTURE ACTIONS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD REQUESTED BE DONE.
TO WAIT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PANIC.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO FULL RULES IN PLACE, BUT WE'VE KNOWN THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES, AND I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BE PROACTIVE AND HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE ON A FEW THINGS, WHETHER IT'S BEEN OUR NEW DESIGN FOR OUR NEW BUILDING TO SHOW OUR RESIDENTS WHERE WE HAVEN'T BEEN WAITING FOR THE EPA TO REGULATE OR SAY WE HAD TO DO A REPORT, WE'VE BEEN TAKING STEPS NECESSARY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT.
SO. THERE'S A FEW ITEMS IN YOUR.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND FOR WHY I WAS SO HELL BENT ON WHEN WE GET DOCUMENTS THAT SAY STRAIGHT ACROSS CONFIDENTIAL, RIGHT? AND WE GET IT IN AN EMAIL A FEW DAYS BEFORE ALSO SAYING CONFIDENTIAL, PRIVILEGED, NOT SUBJECT TO FOIA, IT CREATES THE HAIRS ON THE BACK OF MY NECK GOING, WE NEED TO BE PROTECTING SOMETHING.
I ACTUALLY EVEN WROTE WHY ISN'T.
HERE TO TALK WITH US. SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE CAN CANCEL WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THIS.
I'M JUST GOING THROUGH SOME OF MY ITEMS QUICKLY.
I WANTED YOU TO EXPLAIN THE MDL AND THE COMPENSATION EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR ITEMS HERE, WHERE YOUR CONTINGENCY FOR PROTECTION IS 8% OF GROSS RECOVERY AND 9%.
YOU GO THROUGH THIS, THERE IS ONE AREA WHERE YOU GO 18 AND 20, AND THEN YOU GO BACK.
YOU HAVE A 2% DIFFERENCE WHERE EVERYONE ELSE IS 1% DIFFERENCE.
YOU HAVE YOUR DAUBERT FINDINGS, YOU HAVE YOUR EXPENSES NOT TO PROCEED.
BUT YOU SAID TOTAL EXPENSES SHOULD NOT EXCEED 20%.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE 15%.
NO, 20%, NO MATTER THE STAGE OF THE LITIGATION, BECAUSE IT'S A SLIDING SCALE, 15 IS WHERE IT LIKELY WILL LAND GIVEN THE STATUS OF THE CASE. SO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO GET TO 15% OF ANY GROSS RECOVERY FOLLOWING THE COMMENCEMENT OF OUR OBLIGATION TO PRODUCE DISCOVERY.
AND ONCE WE DO THAT, YOU THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO JUMP IN.
AND I DON'T SETTLE THE CASE BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE MULTIDISTRICT LITIGATION, BECAUSE ALL THE CASES ARE STAYED AND THERE'S ABOUT 1000 CASES PENDING, AT LEAST ON THE MUNICIPALITY SIDE.
SO ONCE THE CASE IS COMMENCED, OBLIGATION TO PRODUCE DISCOVERY HAPPENS.
THERE'S 98 DAYS TO DO THAT, BUT NOT TO GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY THERE.
I DON'T THINK THE CASE WILL BE MOVED FORWARD OR PULLED OUT OF THE MDL, TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO START DOING BRIEFING ON DAUBERT, OR MOTIONS FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT OR SUCH. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID 15% IS LIKELY WHERE IT'LL LAND AND NO MORE THAN 20% NO MATTER HOW FAR THE CASE GOES.
SO YOU HAVE US IN THE LOCAL, BUT YOU HAVE US IN THE MDL AS COMMON BENEFIT.
COMPENSATION IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM ANY FEES AND COSTS OWED UNDER THIS AGREEMENT.
ALL RIGHT. SO THE COMMON HOW THE THESE TWO SETTLEMENTS WERE PRELIMINARILY APPROVED.
THAT'S AFTER THE TWO DEADLINES IN DECEMBER.
UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION AND IT GETS BLOWN UP OR THERE'S TOO MANY OPT OUTS.
SO WE'RE PART OF THE COMMON BENEFIT BECAUSE WE'RE A PART OF THE PLAINTIFFS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING THE FEE MOTION THAT WAS FILED ASKED FOR 8% IN FEES OFF THE TOP.
SO THAT'S EVERYBODY, WHETHER THEY HAVE A LAWYER OR NOT.
BUT FOR THOSE THAT DO HAVE A LAWYER, THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN 8% CREDIT.
SO ACTUALLY OUR 15 BECOMES SEVEN BECAUSE YOU HIRED A LAWYER.
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WELL, I WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS LIKE, WHY DO WE NEED AN ATTORNEY TO GET THIS? SO WE'RE READY. AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD IT WOULD KNOCK IT DOWN ACTUALLY TO SEVEN FOR THESE TWO SETTLEMENTS.WELL, TO ANSWER THAT, I WOULD SAY FOR THESE TWO SETTLEMENTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MULTI PART ANSWER, BUT FOR THESE TWO SETTLEMENTS I'M ALREADY FILING SOME CLAIM FORMS FOR SOME OF MY CLIENTS AND GATHERING THE DATA.
THERE'S A LOT TO BE DONE THERE.
AND THE LAWYER ALSO IN MAKING THAT OPT OUT DECISION.
ONLY THE LAWYER IS GOING TO KNOW WHAT OTHERS ARE LOOKING AT AND WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE.
OBVIOUSLY, THE UTILITY FOLKS WILL KNOW, OKAY, HOW EXPENSIVE IS THIS GOING TO BE? AND LINING UP WHAT THE PROPOSED FUNDS ARE WITH THAT NUMBER.
AND THEN THE BIGGER PART IS THE REST OF THE CASE, THE REST OF THE CASE.
AS I SAID, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 18 DEFENDANTS REMAINING AND THERE ARE CLAIMS LEFT AGAINST DUPONT.
THREE BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY FOR DRINKING WATER.
SO TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE SOME SOIL CONTAMINATION CLAIMS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE.
SO. HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE HAVE SOIL CLAIMS UNTIL WE DO SOME OF THE TESTING THROUGHOUT THIS DECEMBER? IT STARTS FROM JANUARY OF THIS YEAR THROUGH DECEMBER OF 25.
AND BY THE WAY, JUST TO TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, THAT ONCE THEY'RE FINAL, EVERY PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY THAT SERVICES MORE THAN 3300 PEOPLE WILL HAVE THREE YEARS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT REGULATION.
CITY OF TAMARAC YOU BETTER BE UNDER FOUR PARTS PER TRILLION.
THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS. IT'S YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START TESTING IN THESE SETTLEMENTS, ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATE THAT THERE'S THOUSANDS OF MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT STILL HAVEN'T DONE TESTING, HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
AND BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THERE'S NO REGULATION.
THERE'S THAT'S THAT'S HOW IT IS ALL CONTEMPLATED.
AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE THREE YEARS TO START THEIR TESTING AND TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE SO THAT THAT PROVIDES, YOU KNOW, SOME LEAD TIME FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO TO DEAL WITH THE REGULATION. SO IT'S NOT A AUTOMATIC, YOU KNOW, JANUARY 1ST, YOU ARE YOU BETTER BE IN COMPLIANCE OR ELSE TYPE OF THING.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL TRY TO WRAP THIS UP WITH STUFF, BUT MY CONCERN IS, HOW ARE WE PROTECTED, IF ANYTHING? AND WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ON THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS ENTERED ON MAY 3RD? I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THAT LEGISLATION.
AND IN MAYOR, YOUR CONCERNS ARE VALID.
I'VE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN OVER THAT, AND THEN I HAVE SOME THAT DO.
IT'S A REAL CONCERN. LOOK, AND I'VE TOLD FOLKS LIKE, WHAT COULD YOU DO TO PREVENT THAT? LISTEN, I CAN'T PREVENT ANYBODY.
AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER ALLUDED TO THIS.
YOU CAN'T PREVENT ANYONE FROM FILING A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT A MIL SPEC TO PUT OUT FLAMES ON AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER.
SO THEY DID. THEY BUILT THIS AND THEY PUT P-FAS CHEMICALS IN IT.
THEY DIDN'T SAY WE WANT A FOAM WITH P-FAS CHEMICALS.
SO EVEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS IN THE DARK UNTIL FAIRLY RECENTLY.
SO I PROMISE YOU, THE CITY OF TAMARAC, YOU KNOW THAT NARRATIVE.
YEAH. THERE'S NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE PUBLIC. SO TO WHAT EXTENT? BECAUSE AGAIN, THE NARRATIVE AND IT'S NOT A FALSE NARRATIVE, THE BLAME LIES WITH THE DEFENDANTS.
THIS THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY WAS GOING ON FOR DECADES.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, THEY'VE CONTAMINATED THE ENTIRE PLANET AND NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT.
NOBODY KNEW THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TESTING FOR THIS.
IT WASN'T KNOWN UNTIL THE EARLY 2000S THAT YOU COULD EVEN FIND THIS OR WHAT IT IS SO.
BUT TO TO WRAP UP ON THAT POINT, I FULLY SUPPORT THAT LEGISLATION THAT SENATOR LOOMIS HAS PROPOSED.
AND I DO THINK BECAUSE IF YOU TALK TO FOLKS THAT ARE PART OF THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION, ALL THESE DIFFERENT WATER ASSOCIATIONS FULLY SUPPORT IT. AND FRANKLY, THERE'S A WHOLE POLITICAL BATTLE AND FIGHT GOING ON WITH THE EPA BECAUSE THEY THINK THIS IS TOO LOW.
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BE ABSURD.IT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS BECAUSE.
THEY'RE IN THE. THEY'RE TOTALLY IN THE BLIND.
DO YOU THINK IT'S COMING SOON? I MEAN, THEY FILED IT IN MAY.
WHEN IS IT GOING TO GO THROUGH SESSION? WE ONLY WENT THROUGH SENATE.
AND I THINK IT DOES HAVE LEGS.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T SAY WHEN WHEN THE TIMING, BUT I HOPE IT'S I HOPE IT'S SOON, I REALLY DO.
I'M GOING TO ASK TWO QUICK OTHER QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE CITY TO ASK US TO BE A CLIENT FOR THIS? I BELIEVE ONLY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME.
UM. IT SAYS ANY FUNDS RECOVERED OR NOT EARMARKED FOR SPECIFIC EXPENDITURES OR PURPOSES.
THAT MADE SENSE IN OPIOIDS HERE.
THIS MONEY THIS IS NOT PART OF THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
THE MONEY COULD BE EARMARKED FOR WHATEVER THE CITY DEEMS. WELL, I HOPE YOU LISTEN TO OUR PRESENTATION.
YEAH. AND THE MEASURES THAT WE'VE BEEN TAKING OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A VERY GOOD WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS WHY SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN FORT LAUDERDALE WHO ARE ANNEXED INTO TAMARAC WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON TAMARAC, AND WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN.
TAMARA IS STILL BETTER. I AGREE, COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
LIKE I'M NOT HERE TO DEFEND THE CITY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY VOTED FOR US TO DO.
THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING ALARMING.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE A GREAT CITY.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO MAKE IT RIGHT? I WASN'T CONSIDERING SUING ANYONE.
I'M SURE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS HOW DO WE MAKE IT RIGHT IN THE FUTURE? SO I'M GLAD THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH AN ACTION PLAN TO CORRECT IT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT WE WERE DOING RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW. NOW WE KNOW WE DO BETTER.
SO MY GOAL IS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO IMPROVE THIS? IF THE MONEY COMES FROM THIS, IT SHOULD BE TO IMPROVE THIS SO THAT I PAY $400 A MONTH PRACTICALLY FOR WATER.
I WANT GOOD WATER AND IF THAT'S WHAT I PAY, THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS PAY, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY.
WE CAN BE PROACTIVE REGARDLESS OF LAWSUIT COMING.
WHO CARES? THE THING IS, WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS? LET'S DO THAT.
I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR I'VE NEVER SAID THAT WE WERE BEING REACTIVE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ARE MAKING SURE OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS DOING CERTAIN THINGS.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS LITIGATION.
IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THINGS RIGHT AND BE ABLE TO EARMARK FUNDS IN CASE WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE WHO WILL THEN WIND UP BEING SUED, WHO SUE US ALL IS GOOD. YOU'VE GOT CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU. AND, MR. FERRARA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSION.
THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE THIS MORNING.
EXCELLENT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, DOES ANYBODY NEED A BREAK? IT IS 1135.
ARE WE GOOD TO GO AND KEEP MOVING ON.
LET'S PLUG ON. I JUST NEED TO FIND MY AGENDA THAT I HAD.
THIS IS BEING PRESENTED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
HAVE A PROTOCOL QUESTION? WE DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY NOW.
SO AS OUR ATTORNEY HAS WALKED OUT THE DOOR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE CAN'T HAVE.
SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE WILL TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS.
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WE WILL BE BACK AT 1145.THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE BACK IN ACTION.
IT IS 1145 AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON COMMISSION INITIATIVE FUNDS.
[1.d Discussion on Commission Initiative Funds Presented by Levent Sucuoglu, City Manager]
BEING PRESENTED BY OUR CITY MANAGER, LEVENT SISULU.SO THIS POLICY WAS WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION IN 2022, EARLY IN THE YEAR.
AND SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE CITY COMMISSION, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION.
SO, CAPTAIN, CAN YOU GRAB THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ASK HIM TO BE PRESENT FOR US, PLEASE? OUTSIDE THE. HOPE EVERYTHING'S OKAY.
IT'S A WORKSHOP, MAN. YOU COULD ALWAYS SAY THAT.
I'M JUST NOT ACCORDING TO WHAT I'VE BEEN ADVISED.
SO THEREFORE, IT WAS NOT WRITTEN ABOUT.
SO THIS THIS POLICY IS ABOUT YOU, THE MEMBERS OF OUR CITY COMMISSION.
YOU'RE THE LEGISLATIVE AND POLICY MAKING BRANCH OF THE CITY.
YOU HAVE YOU ARE A GREAT SOURCE OF CONTACT TO MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS IN YOUR DISTRICTS, AND YOU PROVIDE ACCESS TO SPECIAL, UNIQUE SERVICES.
YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THROUGH THESE INITIATIVES, YOU PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICES THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CITIES, SERVICE AREAS TO THESE COMMUNITIES. AND THEN YOU BRING BACK FEEDBACK TO ALIGN OUR SERVICES WITH THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THESE USUALLY INCLUDE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATIONS LIKE BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF THESE LOCAL AGENCIES AND OTHER NONPROFIT AGENCIES. AND THESE INITIATIVES, THEY USUALLY REQUIRE SOME SORT OF STAFF TIME RESOURCES, AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE CITY FACILITIES.
THEY CAN BE SOMETIMES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY FACILITIES.
AND THE PURPOSE, THE BIGGEST TEST, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THESE COMMISSION INITIATIVES IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE TO, TO TO CONDUCT THESE ACTIVITIES.
SO THESE ACTIVITIES ARE GOVERNED BY THE POLICY ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF STATE AND LOCAL.
RULES REGULATIONS, BUT THESE INITIATIVES ARE BUDGETED DURING THE CITY'S REGULAR BUDGET PROCESS, AND THESE EXPENDITURES CANNOT EXCEED THE CITY'S BUDGETED AMOUNTS.
THIS POLICY GOVERNS THE EXPENDITURE OF THESE FUNDS, AND THESE EXPENDITURES CAN ONLY BE MADE IF THEY SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CANNOT PROMOTE A PARTICULAR RELIGION, SPORT, POLITICAL ACTIVITIES OR PRIVATE INTERESTS, AND THE FUNDS ARE RELEASED ONCE THE APPLICABLE FORMS ARE COMPLETED AND THE APPROPRIATE AUDITS ARE COMPLETED BY THE FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THEN THEN THE PAYMENTS OR REIMBURSEMENTS MADE.
SO. ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE PUBLIC POLICY OR INITIATIVES POLICY IS THAT THESE ARE SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS OR ELEMENTS OF THESE INITIATIVES THAT NEEDS TO BE REIMBURSED OR PAID FOR BY THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH THE USE OF THOSE, THROUGH THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS.
AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE INITIATIVES.
FOR THE MOST PART, YOU MAY NOT HAVE ALL OF THEM AT ONE TIME, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, SOME SOME LARGER INITIATIVES HAVE A PIECE OF THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, AND THEY NEED TO BE PAID OUT OF THE COMMISSIONER'S INITIATIVE FUNDS.
ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN IS OBVIOUSLY THE THE TIMING, AND THESE INITIATIVES ARE USUALLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S NORMAL ROUTINE OPERATING PLANS.
AND SO THEREFORE THEY NEED CERTAIN TIMES TO TO TO PLAN AND ACCOMMODATE THESE,
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THESE INITIATIVES.SO BASED ON THE TYPE OF AN INITIATIVE, THE POLICY SETS THESE TIMELINES 30 DAYS, 45 DAYS, 120 DAYS.
AND THIS IS A KEY COMPONENT OF THE POLICY TO TO GOVERN THESE INITIATIVES.
IT HELPS WITH THE PROPER PLANNING OF THESE INITIATIVES AND ALSO PROPER ACCOMMODATION OF THESE REQUESTS INTO THE CITY'S WORKFORCE.
SO. WE HAVE SOME OTHER GUIDELINES THAT ARE LISTED IN THERE.
AND BUT THIS IS THE LIFE CYCLE OF A OF THE INITIATIVE POLICY.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED DURING THE CITY'S ADOPTED BUDGET.
AND THE COMMISSIONER OR THE LIAISON, THEY GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION AND PROVIDE THE PARTNERSHIPS, THE PARTNERS AND ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE INITIATIVE AND GO THROUGH THIS, THIS, THIS PROCESS CLEARLY OUTLINED IN THE IN THE CITY'S POLICY AND, AND THEN GO THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION AND THEN FINALLY SUBMIT THE REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST THAT THAT CITY WOULD AUDIT PROCESS AND AND THEN PROPERLY REIMBURSE.
SO IN 2024 FY 24, THE CITY CITY'S BUDGET $256 MILLION AND AND THE ALLOCATED INITIATIVE FUNDS FOR FOR FY 24 IS $30,000, WHICH IS $6,000 PER DISTRICT.
I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS AMOUNT WAS AT THE INCEPTION OF THIS PROGRAM WAS $25,000.
AND SO IN THE IN THE PROCESS OF FY 20.
THERE WAS A LAST MINUTE CONSENSUS TO TO REDUCE THAT DOWN TO $6,000 BECAUSE OF THE MILLAGE RATE REDUCTION IN IN, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET HAD TO BE CUT AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE AREAS TO BE CUT.
SO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT THIS IS A THIS IS A FUNCTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THE CITY'S ROUTINE SERVICES, AND IT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND IN FACT, THIS IS ONE OF THE.
BIGGEST TEST OF THE COMMISSION INITIATIVE PROGRAMING AND THAT IT NEEDS TO SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND THE EXPENDITURES ARE DOCUMENTED.
THEY'RE AUDITED BY THE CITY'S FINANCIAL SERVICES.
AT THE SAME TIME, THESE EXPENDITURES MUST COMPLY WITH ALL STATE AND CITY CODE REGULATIONS.
AND EVERYTHING THAT APPLIES TO THE CITY'S PROCUREMENT APPLIES TO THE COMMISSION INITIATIVES AS WELL.
SO. WE SEE A NEED FOR, FOR THIS TO TO BE MORE THAN $6,000.
THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT WAS $25,000.
AND WE RECOMMEND THAT AT THIS POINT, THE COMMISSION RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR FOR EACH DISTRICT TO REACH OUT TO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND ENGAGE IN THE KIND OF INITIATIVES THAT THAT SERVES THIS PUBLIC PURPOSE AND, AND CONTINUE THE PROVISION OF THESE SERVICES.
AND SO I'M HERE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE THE THE $6,000 THROUGH A BUDGET AMENDMENT PROCESS TO, TO AT LEAST $15,000 FOR THE FOR THE DISTRICTS AND 20.
$20,000 FOR THE FOR THE MAYOR'S POSITION BECAUSE THE MAYOR SERVES AT LARGE.
SO THIS OBVIOUSLY IS A IS A STARTING NUMBER IN $25,000 WAS THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT.
AND WE WE WOULD STAFF WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE IF THE COMMISSION ENTERTAINS THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS FROM THE INITIATIVE FUNDS.
SO I'M HERE TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION AND ASK FOR CONSENSUS FROM THE FROM THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU MAYOR.
THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
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THIS COMMISSION.THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION HAS BEEN THE MOST ACTIVE COMMISSION THE CITY HAS EVER EXPERIENCED.
THE CITY'S POPULATION HAS CHANGED AS FAR AS ETHNICITY, AGE GROUPS, RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS, ALL SORTS OF CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAKE UP OUR COMMUNITY.
WE ARE DEFINITELY VERY ACTIVE.
YOU KNOW. AND WHEN WE CAN SPEND, YOU KNOW, I CAN JUST GIVE MY EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, $5 THROUGH $15.
SOMETIMES YOU DO GO A LITTLE BIT MORE PER PERSON TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND GET THAT FEEDBACK, TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT'S HAPPENING, SOMETHING THE CITY CANNOT DO.
BECAUSE LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, SOME EVENTS COST US 100 $300 PER PERSON.
ON THE LARGER END THAT I I'VE CALCULATED BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ATTEND THE EVENT, WHICH IS A CITYWIDE EVENT, AND WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY ON A VERY SMALLER, GRANULAR LEVEL.
IT'S AN EXCELLENT WAY OF DOING THINGS.
ASIDE FROM, YOU KNOW, 4TH OF JULY, NEW YEAR'S, LET'S SAY WE DO SOMETHING FOR NEW YEAR'S ONE TAMARAC WHEN WE DO THESE SMALLER EVENTS, SMALLER GROUPS. IN MY OPINION, BASED ON MY POINT OF VIEW.
BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO REACH MORE TO THE RESIDENTS THAN ON A LARGER SCALE.
AT THE 4TH OF JULY EVENT, WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES WITH SOMEONE.
YOU'RE REALLY NOT LISTENING TO THEM.
YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SAYING.
AT THAT MOMENT, YOU FORGOT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE PARKING LOT AND GO HOME.
SO WHEN I CAN GO TO AN EVENT AND COME BACK TO THE OFFICE WITH A STACK OF PAPERS, NOTES THAT I'VE TAKEN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, OKAY, WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING EVERYBODY ELSE.
COMMISSIONER. DANIEL. THANK YOU.
I'M WITH COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS BECAUSE I THINK I TOLD YOU THIS.
SO I KNOW THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR.
I'M ABOUT COMPLETION OF MY FIRST YEAR.
SO I DID A LOT OF OBSERVATION.
LEARNED FROM WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONER DOES THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, TO SEE HOW BEST TO SPEND THE MONEY.
BUT JUST FROM HELPING TAMARAC ELEMENTARY, THE MONEY IS DONE RIGHT? SO YOU GET IDEAS, YOU HEAR WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT, BUT YOU HAVE NO UNLESS YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT PERSONALLY, WHICH I DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF MONEY.
EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY AND EVERYTHING IS MORE EXPENSIVE.
IT'S MORE PERSONABLE WHEN YOU CAN MEET YOUR RESIDENTS AND MEET THEIR NEEDS AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, BECAUSE YOU KEEP HEARING THE SAME EIGHT VOICE THAT COMMUNICATES ONE WAY AND YOU'RE NOT HEARING THE OTHER VOICES, YOU'RE NOT MEETING THEIR NEEDS.
SO FOR ME, I AGREE THE SIX, THE 6000.
REALLY, IT MIGHT COVER ONE THING AS FAR AS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO THIS YEAR.
I DO LIKE THE SAFEGUARDS WE HAVE IN PLACE.
YOU COULD EVEN HAVE MORE FOR ME BECAUSE I LOVE TO STAY OUT OF TROUBLE.
SO THE SAFEGUARDS ARE GOOD, SO KEEP THOSE UP.
IF I MAY, MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING.
THAT COMMISSIONER IS EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT THE SMALLER GROUPS, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING A SET PROGRAM OR SET SET OF SOLUTIONS TO A, TO AN INTERESTED GROUP OF PEOPLE SO THAT THEY'RE MORE ENGAGED AND THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED BECAUSE THAT'S THE TOPIC THEY'RE COMING INTO HERE, THAT THEY'RE COMING IN TO PARTICIPATE.
SO THAT THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DO ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT MORE ENGAGEMENT.
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I WAS JUST GOING TO ECHO COMMISSIONER DANIEL'S COMMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO SAFEGUARDING.WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SOME PEOPLE WERE NOT TOO, YOU KNOW, FOND OF IT.
BUT DEFINITELY COMMISSIONER, DANIELS SAID, IS HAVING THOSE SAFEGUARDS THAT ONLY PROTECT THAT PROTECT US, TO PROTECT OUR OUR FUNDS.
THE CITY USES IT PROTECTS THE RESIDENTS, IT PROTECTS STAFF.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE SURELY WANT TO DO.
AND WE DO HAVE A FIDUCIARY DUTY TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL EVERY TAX DOLLAR THAT IS SPENT IN TAMARAC STAYS IN TAMARAC BUT ALSO IS USED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MINDSET OF FRUGALITY WITH THE BIGGEST IMPACT THAT IT CAN HAVE.
JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE MONEY FOR INITIATIVES.
IT STARTED OUT ABOUT IT WAS $1,500 FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR HAD 3000.
IT WAS ALWAYS THE MAYOR, ALWAYS HAD MORE.
I REMEMBER WHEN THE VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO WERE MAYOR IN MY TIME THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, IT WENT UP TO.
WHEN A NEW COMMISSION CAME IN, IT WENT UP TO $3,000 AND SIX.
BEFORE LONG, THAT YEAR WASN'T EVEN DONE.
GOT UP TO $25,000 FOR EVERYBODY.
WE SPENT A YEAR OR SO NOT PUTTING THE POLICY IN PLACE, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN PLACE IF THE MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED, AND NOT FOLLOWING PROCEDURES AND PUTTING IT IN. AND THERE WAS.
SOME DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON HOW CERTAIN MONIES WERE SPENT AND WHEN THE CITY CAME IN AND HAD TO BAIL OUT CERTAIN EVENTS THAT WERE PLANNED BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY PLANNED AND THEY WERE UNDERWAY. AND THE CITY IS VERY GOOD AT MAKING SURE THAT THIS COMMISSION DOESN'T LOOK.
STUPID. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE COMMISSION, IT'S NOT THE CITY STAFF'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO.
SO FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS I FOUGHT ASKING IT TO BE REDUCED BECAUSE $25,000, YOU MAY HAVE SOME PROCUREMENT THINGS LISTED HERE, BUT THERE IS MANY REALLY BIG, BIG ITEM IN OUR PROCUREMENT.
NUMBER 16 ACTUALLY GOODS AND SERVICES PURCHASED BY A MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION WITH INITIATIVE FUNDS IN ACCORDANCE WITH GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED BY CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE IS AN EXCEPTION.
SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT RELYING.
WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO SO BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOOPHOLE.
WE'RE GIVEN THAT ABILITY TO HAVE A LOOPHOLE.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE.
THROUGH. ADVOCACY AND UNDERSTANDING.
LAST YEAR WE DROPPED IT DOWN TO $6,000.
EVERYBODY. WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE BUDGET SEASON.
NOT A PEEP WAS MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE IT.
WE ACTUALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, ALL AGREED ON THE BUDGET.
AND NOW WHAT IS IT? THIS IS NOVEMBER.
SEPTEMBER. WE'VE HAD A MONTH ALL OF A SUDDEN.
I THINK THAT IS POOR PUBLIC POLICY.
WELL, NOT MAY HAVE DID PUT EVENTS ON WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE TIMING PROCEDURE.
AND THE ATTITUDE OF CITY STAFF IS WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT OUR COMMISSION FOR WHAT THEY NEED.
BUT BIG DEAL IS IT? IT'S A BIG DEAL, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE UTILIZING OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
WE ALSO NEED SOME RULES AND REGULATIONS ON THIS STUFF ABOUT WHO'S PUTTING FACES OF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION ON EVENTS, AND SAYING THAT IT'S A CITY EVENT, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN INVITED TO ATTEND THESE EVENTS.
IF IT'S A CITY COMMISSIONER INITIATIVE, THEN THAT PERSON'S FACE IS ON IT.
YOU DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN JUST THROW ALL OF OUR FACES ON IT, NOT INVITED TO EVENT, AND THEN BE HAVING US BEING ASKED BY THE COMMUNITY, WHY WEREN'T YOU THERE? DO YOU NOT CARE? WELL, IT'S HARD TO BE SOMEWHERE WHEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.
UM, WE HAVE NOT BEEN A COMMISSION THAT HAS LEARNED TO ACTUALLY STICK TO A BUDGET, BECAUSE ANY SINGLE TIME WE APPROACH THAT LINE, WE GO TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND I USE THAT AS A ROYAL WEE VERSUS THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC PERSON OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THIS AND SAY, LET'S PUT THE CITY'S NAME ON IT, BECAUSE I NEED SOME MORE
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DOLLARS. I'M GOING TO RUN OUT OF MONEY IF I DON'T.IT'S EMBARRASSING THAT WE ARE THE LEADERS OF THE CITY, AND WE CAN'T EVEN STICK TO POLICIES.
UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A PANEL, WHICH IS 30, BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN COMPLYING.
AND CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE NOT HOLDING OUR FEET TO THE FIRE.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKING ABOUT THIS AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE MONEY BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PROBABLY AGREE TO IT, THEN YOU NEED TO HOLD OUR FEET TO THE FIRE.
YOU NEED TO SAY, I'M SORRY, DON'T ADVERTISE THIS BECAUSE I HAVE NOT YET APPROVED.
AND WHAT IS OUR PENALTY IF WE DO START ADVERTISING AND WE DO GO OVER BUDGET, WHAT HAPPENS? WHERE'S OUR PENALTY? WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE AGREED THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHEN I'VE GOT A BUDGET.
I BRING IT BEFORE YOU AND WITHOUT NOTIFYING TO SAY WHAT THE REAL REASON IS FOR THE EXPENSE VERSUS MAYBE I JUST WON'T PUT THIS EXPENSE ON HERE, AND THEN I'LL JUST PUT IT ON ANYWAY, AND THE CITY WILL HAVE TO REIMBURSE ME BECAUSE I PUT THEM IN A BAD SITUATION, BECAUSE I HAVE AN INITIATIVE PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ACCEPT.
WHAT HAPPENS. IS IT GOING TO COME OUT OF THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER OR MAYOR'S POCKET? MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THAT WRITTEN IN HERE TO PREVENT ANY GAMES BEING PLAYED.
AND MAY THERE NEVER BE ANOTHER GAME PLAY, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY GAMES PLAYED TO DATE.
WE REMEMBER THAT IT'S THEIR COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO HAVE US ENTER.
AND IF WE ARE GOING TO USE THEIR COMMUNITY, IF THEY HAVE RENTAL FEES, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY THOSE RENTAL FEES, AND WE'RE OBLIGATED TO HAVE THE COURTESY AND RESPECT FOR THE COMMUNITIES TO DO IT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, TO NOT PUT THEM OUT OF PLACE AND HAVE THEM NOT BE ABLE TO USE THEIR FACILITIES FOR THEIR PROGRAMING.
WILL YOU BE MAKING SURE THAT YOU WILL REVIEW THESE ITEMS AND GIVING US NOTICE OF WHETHER IT PASSES OR FAILS, AND CAN GO THROUGH WITHIN A TIMELY MECHANISM SO WE CAN DO OUR EVENTS.
MANNER. SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE APPLY THE POLICY ACROSS THE BOARD AS IT'S WRITTEN.
YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO.
YES, WE'VE BEEN OBLIGATED TO DO IT, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.
SO I WANT SOME ASSURANCES BECAUSE I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.
WE KNOW THIS, BUT SINCE IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH AS WE KNOW IT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.
WE'RE NOT HAVING THESE ISSUES AGAIN.
I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET AND COME TO ME UPSET WITH ME THAT THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. AND WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? I JUST BASICALLY HAVE TO JUST SAY I'M SORRY.
SO I WANT TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE PUT IN THAT POSITION AGAIN.
THAT'S THE POLICY COMMISSION APPROVED.
THAT'S THE POLICY COMMISSION PUT IN PLACE.
SO WE'RE OBLIGATED TO TO EXERCISE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THAT POLICY.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT YOUR EVENT IS GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN 120 DAYS, OR WHATEVER TIMING THAT THE CITY MANAGER MAY NEED TO HAVE, WHICH MIGHT BE TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS TO A MONTH, THEN WE NEED TO. PUT IT WITHIN OUR PLANNING FOR OUR EVENTS, TO ALLOW FOR THAT TIME AND TO ALSO NOT EMBARRASS US.
IF WE HAVE TO SAY, I'M SORRY, THE THE ITEM HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED.
THE. WAY WE APPROACH THESE INITIATIVES TO THE PUBLIC.
IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THESE ARE JUST AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER'S INITIATIVE, IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE FACES OF EVERYBODY ON THE FLIER, IF WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT A COMMUNITY EVENT RUN BY THE CITY OF TAMARAC, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT LOGOS CAN GO ON THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT ADVERTISING IMPROPERLY OR HAVING EXPECTATIONS MADE OF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
IF THE COMMISSIONER OR MAYOR DOES NOT INVITE THE REST OF THE.
PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION TO BE A PART OF THEIR INITIATIVE.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE.
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TO SAFEGUARD US FROM HAVING THOSE KIND OF ISSUES.YOU KNOW THE POLICY DOES NOT HAVE ANY ANY, ANY.
PENALTY CONSIDERATIONS, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE STAFF OR THE OR THE CITY POLICY HAS A JURISDICTION OVER THE PUNISHMENT OF THE CITY COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR THAT MATTER.
I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT PUNISHMENT, BUT BUT YOU KNOW.
BUT BEFORE BEFORE YOU ANSWER, CONSIDER THIS IN YOUR ANSWER.
IF WE'RE PUTTING IN A PROCEDURE WHERE WE'RE USING PUBLIC FUNDS TO DO SOMETHING AND WE HAVE OBLIGATION TO USE PUBLIC FUNDS ACCORDING TO A POLICY THAT WE HAVE CREATED, BECAUSE NOWHERE BEFORE HAS IT BEEN WRITTEN UP UNTIL ABOUT 6 OR 7 YEARS AGO DID WE HAVE THESE INITIATIVES RIGHT.
THE CITY WAS THE COMMISSIONS FOR POLICY.
THEY EFFECTUATE, THEY RUN EVENTS.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU CAN DO EVENTS REALLY CHEAPLY.
I USED TO HAVE SOMETHING COFFEE WITH THE COMMISSIONER, AND I USED TO MOVE IT AROUND THE CITY AND DISTRICT TWO, AND I MOVED IT AROUND THE CITY TO WHERE YOU CAN GO HAVE A COFFEE AT A COFFEE SHOP AND YOU ASK YOUR RESIDENTS TO COME VISIT YOU.
YOU CAN ALL USE THIS IF YOU WANT, AND THEN YOU'RE MOVING IT AROUND SO EVERYBODY CAN REACH OUT TO YOU, AND THE COFFEE'S NOT GOING TO COST YOU OVER YOUR 1500 TO $3000, DEPENDING ON HOW WHAT KIND OF COFFEE YOU'RE GETTING OR IF YOU'RE PUTTING LOX ON THAT BAGEL.
BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I HADN'T DONE IT AS MAYOR IS BECAUSE I GOT THE FUN OF COVID AND CANCER TO KNOCK OUT MY MOVING IT AROUND THE CITY, BUT.
IF THIS IS A MANMADE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ATTORNEY WAS SAYING IT'S A MANMADE POLICY.
WE'VE CREATED THIS LITTLE THING.
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY POLICY OR PENALTIES IN PLACE FOR CITY COMMISSION OR ANY DEPARTMENT EXCEEDING THE BUDGETARY AMOUNT.
WITH RESPECT TO TO ENSURE, I THINK, THE QUESTION YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER, IF IT'S 20,000, 15,000 THAT YOU STAY WITHIN THE LIMIT THAT'S GIVEN, AND IF THAT LIMIT IS OBVIOUSLY MAYBE EXCEEDED, THEN THE MANAGER, BASED ON A POLICY DECISION BY THE COMMISSION CAN SAY, MR. MANAGER, YOU STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET AND IF AND FOLLOW THAT BUDGET DIRECTOR THAT WE GIVE YOU, IF YOU BELIEVE THERE'S A NEED TO EXCEED THAT, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET APPROVAL FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.
THAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE GENERALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET YEAR.
OKAY. AND MAYOR, THAT'S THAT'S PRECISELY WHY I'M BRINGING THIS ITEM IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.
NONE OF YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR INITIATIVE DOLLARS.
BUT THE YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY IS CHANGED.
AND AS COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS MENTIONED, WE HAVE AN EXTREMELY ACTIVE, ENGAGED COMMISSION.
AND SO GIVEN THE INFLATION, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE NUMBERS FOR THE COST OF ALL THE GOODS AND MATERIALS THESE DAYS, $6,000 DOESN'T GO A WHOLE LOT OF, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION, THAT YOU SERVE A PURPOSE OUTSIDE OF YOUR ROLE IN THE LEGISLATIVE POLICY MAKING ROLES OF THE CITY COMMISSION.
BUT IN YOUR COMMUNITIES, YOU SERVE A ROLE, AND THEN YOU'RE ENGAGED, AND THEN YOU PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T EXIST WITHOUT YOUR WITHOUT YOUR EFFORTS.
AND SO WE'RE JUST SAYING IN A $260 MILLION BUDGET, YOU KNOW, RAISING THE THE INITIATIVE FUNDS TO CERTAIN NUMBER IS IS MAY BE A PRUDENT BUDGETARY ADJUSTMENT.
SO I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSION'S YOU KNOW, PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.
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UNDERSTOOD. BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCEED FOR YEARS WITH CERTAIN MEMBERS NOT TOUCHING THEIR BUDGET, ONLY USING IT A LITTLE BIT AND NOT GOING ABOVE IT.CLAIM IT'S A CITY FUNCTION AS WELL WHEN IT REALLY WASN'T, BUT IT WAS THERE TO ADD DOLLARS TO A PERSON'S INITIATIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN DO THEIR INITIATIVE. THAT WAS PLANNED WITHIN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.
SO I SAY THESE THINGS BECAUSE OF POOR EXPERIENCES FROM THE RECENT PAST THAT.
SO WE HAVE NOT EVEN TRIED TO LEGITIMATELY.
WORK WITHIN THE BUDGET AND RULES AND PROCEDURES IN WHICH WE HAD.
IF WE HAVE TRIED AND WE'VE THEN NOT SUCCEEDED LEGITIMATELY, THEN I CAN UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS, BUT WE HAVE JUST TRIED NOT EVEN A FULL YEAR WITH THE $6,000 AND GOT IT DOWN BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REAL PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR HAVING IT AT 25, REDUCING IT TO AND GIVING $9,000 MORE TO MAKE IT 15 OR REDUCING IT FROM 25 TO 15.
BOOKS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING 48, 47, 46.
WE'RE JUST FINALLY CATCHING UP IN OUR PROGRAMING AND OUR REALIZATION AND OUR ABILITY TO DO THINGS.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? TECHNOLOGY IS GOOD.
IT'S GIVING US THAT ABILITY TO SEE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO SEE BEFORE.
THEN AGAIN, TECHNOLOGY IS NOT SO GOOD WHEN YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE BUZZING UP YOUR PHONE AND YOUR EMAILS AND YOU'RE AT A MEETING AND YOU CAN'T RESPOND TO THEM AND HOPE THEY UNDERSTAND. SO.
IN A. MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE MANNER THAN HAVING TO INCREASE US.
AND THEN IN OTHER BREATHS, CERTAIN OTHER THINGS ARE JUST SO WIDE AND SUCH A BIG DEAL.
AND THOSE MONIES ARE EVEN SMALLER.
BUT THEIR MAGNITUDE FOR PEOPLE BEING UPSET WITH THE SPENDING OF THE CITY COMPARED TO THE BIG BUDGET.
SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON WHO WANTS WHAT.
COMMISSIONER. DANIEL. THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO AS FAR AS THE INVITE TO EVENTS AND AGAIN.
I HEARD WHAT THE MAYOR HAD TO SAY.
OBVIOUSLY, I WASN'T A PART OF THAT, OR PROBABLY THIS COMMISSION HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.
UM. BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO ANY EVENT I PLAN.
BUT THEN THAT MEANS WE GET EQUAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I DID WITH COMMISSIONER PLACKO.
I WAS DOING A WOMEN'S VETERANS EVENT.
I KNOW HOW SHE ENJOYS THE VETERANS EVENT.
AND I INVITED HER TO PARTICIPATE.
AND I TOOK MY PART OF WHAT I WANTED FOR.
I AGREED TO SPEND BECAUSE SHE WASN'T REALLY INTENDING TO WHATEVER.
AND WE DID IT. WE WORKED THINGS OUT.
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, ENJOY IT.
BUT THAT MEANS WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE BETTER TOO, WHICH I LOOK FORWARD TO.
RIGHT? BUT I WAS ALWAYS SO HONORED, THE IMPRESSION THAT WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE.
YES. ON MATTERS YOU INTEND TO VOTE.
BUT IF IF THERE'S A CONFLICT WITH EVENTS OR JOINT EVENTS, I THINK MANAGEMENT AND STAFF CAN WORK OUT THOSE ISSUES SO WE CAN COMMUNICATE REGARDING JOINT THE CITY MANAGER, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY.
OKAY. GO THROUGH BLOWING THE BUDGET AND WE NEED TO COME BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER THEN.
OH I'VE WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMENT ALL MY ADULT LIFE.
YEAH. NO, UM, I CARE MORE ABOUT PEOPLE'S MONEY THAN MINE, NOT MINE.
SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T PAY COMMUNITIES FEE.
SO I AGREE. THE THING IS, THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE.
UM. AND I THINK THE PENALTIES CAN SEE IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, WE JUST CANCEL.
BUT THERE MIGHT BE EVENTS THAT IF AND THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT FOR ME.
BUT IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE CITY TO PUT ON THAT EVENT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO MAYBE SOME EVENTS SHOULD BE CITYWIDE.
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SO THAT WOULD RESOLVE THAT ISSUE THAT THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT.AND I KNOW YOU SAID ABOUT THE COFFEE, WELL, WHEN I WAS RUNNING, I DID THAT COFFEE THING.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS THAT'S TRUE.
BUT EVEN AS A SCHOOL PRINCIPAL, THEY DON'T SHOW UP.
YOU HAVE TO MARKET THAT THING AND SELL THAT THING, MAKE THEM WANT TO BE THERE.
OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE WE CAN DO EVENTS TOGETHER.
MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO, SOMETHING THEY WANT TO COMMUNITY.
I SPOKE, INTRODUCED MYSELF TO PEOPLE.
THEY ARE TAMARAC RESIDENTS, BUT THEY NEVER CAME OUT FOR ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW. SO I THINK DIFFERENT EVENTS CATER TO A DIFFERENT SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I KNOW IT'S A LOT FOR PARKING WRECKS.
SOME OF THE THINGS I WANT TO DO I KNOW OKAY, GO TO PARKS AND REC.
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S NOT INTO ATHLETICS, RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT SEGMENT OF THE COMMUNITY WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT ONE SEGMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND YES, THE AVERAGE AGE NOW IS 48.
YOU KNOW, I PRAY I STAY IN THAT AVERAGE, AT LEAST IN MINDSET, MAYBE NOT YEARS.
BUT WE NEED TO COME TO THAT PLACE.
SHE SAID. THE MAYOR SAID TECHNOLOGY CAN, YOU KNOW, EMAILS AND CAN HARM US.
UM, MAKE SURE I SAID EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK THAT'S IT. YEAH, I'M WRITING DOWN BECAUSE I HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH YOU.
I ALSO HEAR THE MAYOR'S CONCERN.
FOR THE RECORD, I HAD 6000 LAST YEAR.
I THINK MY REMAINING BALANCE WAS 3800.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD NEED EXTRA MONEY TO DO.
UM, IN TERMS OF EVENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS, COST OF LIVING HAS INCREASED.
AND IT COSTS ABOUT 60 BUCKS A MONTH.
WHAT I'VE DONE I'VE TAKEN AN EXAMPLE FROM MY GOOD FRIEND VICE MAYOR BOLTON, AND I'VE PRINTED SOME REFRIGERATOR MAGNETS, AND I'M GOING TO START WALKING THROUGH THE RESIDENCE HOUSE SO I CAN COMMUNICATE AND USE MY MY LEGS THE OLD FASHIONED WAY.
SO AND INCREASING BUDGET WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE ME MORE EFFICIENT IN COMMUNICATING WITH THE RESIDENTS AND BEING MORE ENGAGED AND DOING DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THAT ARE CAN BE DONE EFFICIENTLY.
SO IN TERMS OF WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE 15,000? WHAT MATRIX OR DID WE BENCHMARK OTHER CITIES? DID WE LOOK AT THE COST OF INCREASE FOR EVENTS? HOW DID WE HOW WE HOW DID HOW DID WE GET THAT NUMBER? COMMISSIONER. RIGHT.
IT'S IT'S BASICALLY BETWEEN 25,000 AND 6000.
SO WE LOOKED AT THE, THE NUMBER OF REQUESTS AND, YOU KNOW, EXPENDITURE OF THE INITIATIVE FUNDS.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S IT'S NOT A SCIENTIFIC NUMBER.
IT'S A, IT'S AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT MAY SERVE AS A BASELINE FOR INITIATIVES.
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THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.AND ANOTHER COLLEAGUE SAID THAT IN THEIR CITY, THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ELECTED AT LARGE.
SO EVERYTHING IS DONE CITYWIDE.
BUT HE UNDERSTANDS AND TAMARAC WHERE WE HAVE DISTRICT, EACH COMMISSIONER HAS TO DO DIFFERENT EVENTS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES, AND HE DOES SEE THE NEED FOR HAVING INITIATIVE FUNDS IN WITHIN TAMARAC BECAUSE WE ARE ELECTED BASED ON DISTRICT.
AND THERE'S THINGS THAT'S DIFFERENT WITH EVERY, EVERY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE WOODLANDS, THEIR INITIATIVES WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT WEST WHERE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, SO MY, MY COMMUNITY AND MY DISTRICT IS KIND OF PART OF IT IS SOMEWHAT ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT THAT'S THE WOODLANDS PART OF IT.
AND PIECE OF MOST OF IT IS, IS IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND MOST TIMES IT'S JUST THINGS THAT ARE VERY SIMPLE BECAUSE THERE'S LACK OF FUNDS.
BUT I THINK FOR US GOING FORWARD, I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP HAVING HAVING ADDITIONAL MONEY.
I THINK WE CAN BE MORE ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY.
SINCE MOST OF US AGREE THAT WE DO NEED FUNDS, UM, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE PROCESSES.
SAME THING WITH THE TOWING ISSUE.
AND IT'S A PROCESS THAT WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE AND ISSUES.
THAT'S MY PART. AND THANK YOU, IF I MAY, THE THE BUDGET PROCESS COVERS 98, 99% OF OUR PLANNED ACTIVITIES. AND BUT FOR FOR THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE HAVE TWICE A YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT PROCESS.
AND AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ME.
YOU KNOW, FULL DISCLOSURE, I HAVE CHANGED THE MY ATTITUDE WITH MAKING SURE THAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE ON THE FLIERS THAT I HAVE, BECAUSE THERE WERE COLLEAGUES WHO SAID THAT I WAS SELF PROMOTING AND THAT THEY WERE NOT, YOU KNOW. PLACED ON THE FLIERS THAT I THAT I'M DOING OR, YOU KNOW, THAT I DESIGN MY OWN FLIERS OR THAT'S THE STUFF I MEAN.
I DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE COMMISSION'S PICTURES ON ON MY FLIERS.
AND AND SO I DID THAT OUT OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE UNIFIED.
BUT IF THAT IS A PROBLEM GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM TAKING IT OFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DID HAVE A COMMUNITY EVENT LAST WEEK.
YOU KNOW, AND I PONDERED WHETHER OR NOT TO INVITE MY COLLEAGUES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER'S ADVICE WAS MAYBE IT'S TOO LATE.
YES, IT'S A IT'S AN INITIATIVE IN YOUR DISTRICT.
THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO INVITE THEM.
BUT HE CAN ATTEST THAT I WANTED TO INVITE EVERYONE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH DOING SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, I KIND OF JUST FORGOT.
AND IT WAS LAST MINUTE AND I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THE SAME LAST MINUTE INVITATION TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO IN THE FUTURE, ALTHOUGH I GIVE A LOT OF TIME TO PLANNING THE EVENT, SOMETIMES INVITING OTHERS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING ON YOUR MIND.
BUT YOU KNOW, I WILL DO BETTER IN, IN THE END AND IT'S NOT PLANNING THE EVENT LAST MINUTE.
SO, YOU KNOW, $15,000 SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, $25,000 SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.
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AND I DID AN EVENT IN THE MAINLAND'S, I HAD TO HAVE STAFF COME OUT AND PUT OUT TENTS AND BARRICADES, AND THAT'S THE STUFF THEY HAD TO BE COMPENSATED.SO FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, I'D BE AMENABLE TO THE $25,000 NUMBER.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO MY EVENT LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, ECHOING THE SENTIMENTS OF COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAME OUT.
THERE WERE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THESE EVENTS THAT WE DO, FOR INSTANCE, 4TH OF JULY OR ONE TAMARAC AND THAT'S THE STUFF.
BUT THE LAST EVENT THAT I WENT TO, I WAS WALKING AROUND THE FIELD AND I WAS TALKING TO A LOT OF ATTENDEES, AND WHILE SOME OF THOSE ATTENDEES WERE RESIDENTS, A LOT OF THEM WEREN'T.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I QUESTIONED SOMETIMES WHETHER WE'RE DOING THE THE EVENTS JUST TO DO AN EVENT AND SHOW OURSELVES AND SHOWCASE OUR CITY.
BUT SOMETIMES WE ARE MARKETING TOO BROADLY, AND SO WE GET ALL THESE PEOPLE TO COME.
SOME PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY CAME FROM DELRAY BEACH.
I HEARD RESIDENTS SAID THAT THEY CAME OUT BECAUSE THEY LISTENED AND HEARD THE EVENT ON HOT 105.
YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, NOT WIDEN OUR NET, SO MUCH SO THAT THESE EVENTS ARE MORE CATERED FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY'S RESIDENTS AND YOU KNOW WHERE POLICY IS CONCERNED.
I'M A STICKLER FOR POLICY AS WELL, BUT THIS IS ALSO A WAY THAT THE CITY DOES BUSINESS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE PUBLIC SPACE.
AND THIS IS HOW I THINK THAT WE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT EVENTS AND INITIATIVES AND THIS SORT OF STUFF.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR WHATEVER WE WANT.
THE LAST TIME WHEN WE HAD INITIATIVE DOLLARS, THE MAYOR DID NOT SUPPORT IT, BUT WE SAW MOVE WITH THE MAYOR PRINTING A WHOLE LOT OF T SHIRTS THAT APPARENTLY NOBODY WORE.
AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN THESE T SHIRTS ENDED UP AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE HAD.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A NEGATIVE ITEM.
I WOULD THINK THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT.
BUT DON'T SAY THAT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT AND THEN USE IT.
THAT TO ME IS HYPOCRITICAL AND THAT DOES NOT SERVE THE RESIDENTS WELL.
IT IS NOT TRUE TRANSPARENCY AND THAT WOULD BE OPERATING IN A VACUUM.
I MEAN, WITH THAT SAID, I'M FREE TO.
I'M INCLINED TO TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT SHOWS A BENEFIT TO OUR RESIDENTS.
IT SHOWS A PUBLIC PURPOSE, IT SHOWS THAT WE ARE BEING TRANSPARENT AND THAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS AND GET INFORMATION OUT TO THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE CARE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAME OUT AND THEY HAD A VERY GOOD TIME.
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I'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR, COFFEE WITH THE VICE MAYOR AS WELL.AND, AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAME AND IT'S ALL ABOUT MARKETING.
IT'S ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU APPROACH THEM AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT ON FACEBOOK AND PUT IT ON TWITTER AND EXPECT THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SHOW UP.
THAT IS WHY SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T COME TO OUR MULTI-MODAL MEETINGS AND THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RESIDENTS. TO LET THEM KNOW WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO COME OUT TO CERTAIN MEETINGS AND CERTAIN EVENTS.
MARKETING IS NOT JUST POSTING SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK.
IF YOU HAVE 15,000 FOLLOWERS, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE ALGORITHM OF FACEBOOK IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO SHOW THAT POST TO 15,000 PEOPLE, IT WILL PROBABLY SHOW IT TO 150. SO, YOU KNOW, GOING DOOR TO DOOR AND KNOCKING AND TALKING TO OUR RESIDENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF CERTAIN EVENTS I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN TO BE THE WAY TO GO.
IT IS NOT PLAYING GAMES, IT IS NOT POLITICAL.
IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT IS SHOWING OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE CARE AND AND OF COURSE INCLUDING THEM IN CITY ACTIVITIES.
MANY OF US HAVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO DOING THINGS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE SHOULD NOT BE BUDGETING A LITTLE AMOUNT AND THEN ASKING FOR MORE MONEY IN THE IN THE END.
SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT SAID, MAYBE I MAYBE WE BUDGET $15,000 OR $25,000, MAYBE I SPEND $5,000.
MAYBE I TAKE A PAGE OUT OF MORRIE'S BOOK AND NOT USE EVERYTHING.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THANK YOU. SO I'M GOING TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHEN I VOTED THAT I DIDN'T WANT THAT EXTRA MONEY, I ONLY USE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I THOUGHT WAS RIGHT, WHICH I KEPT THAT BUDGET IN LINE TO WAY UNDER THE $25,000.
I TRIED VERY HARD NOT TO MAKE IT SPECIFIC FOR YOU AND TO ATTACK YOU.
UNLIKE YOUR ATTEMPT TO ME, IT'S NOT APPRECIATED.
SO IT'S NOT THAT YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT INVITING US.
YOU JUST DIDN'T WANT TO INVITE US.
BUT IT SAYS JOINT VICE MAYOR MARLON DE BOLTON, CITY OF TAMARAC, EAST SIDE COMMUNITY DAY AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COMMEMORATION AND HAVING ALL OF OUR FACES ON THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE PAVILION OF A LOCATION THAT WASN'T ASKED FIRST IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE OUR YOUR PARTY THERE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IF YOU WANT US THERE AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNITY AND YOU WANT TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU REALLY DO WANT US TO BE INCLUSIVE, AND YOU WERE TRYING TO BE GOOD ABOUT IT AND SHOWING THAT WE'RE ALL PART OF IT, THEN YOU ASK US TO BE A PART OF IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING GROUNDBREAKING, RETRO, GROUNDBREAKING FOR THIS WALL BECAUSE WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT THE EAST SIDE.
YET YOU MAKE IT APPEAR THAT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T INVITE US, THAT THE REST OF US DON'T CARE.
AND IT ERASES WHATEVER ATTABOY YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GET.
BECAUSE MY DAD ALWAYS USED TO SAY, ONE POOP REMOVES ALL THE ATTABOYS THAT YOU GET.
YOU DIDN'T BOTHER TO REALLY THINK IT THROUGH.
OR MAYBE YOU DID THINK IT THROUGH, AND YOU DIDN'T THINK SOME OF US WOULD CARE OR MAKE CHANGES.
AND I MADE IT RECORD THAT I'VE HAD ISSUES.
WHEN YOU PLAN THESE THINGS LAST MINUTE, YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE POLICY WHICH CAUSES PROBLEMS FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE HAD YOU PLANNED IT WITH MORE TIME, THEN MAYBE THE REST OF THIS COMMISSION WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE THERE, OR WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY.
I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL.
PLEASE KNOW THAT WE'RE SUPPORTIVE AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO BE THERE, BUT WE CAN'T.
SUNSHINE CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS EVENT.
WE NEVER TALK AS A GROUP ABOUT WHAT EVENTS WE'RE DOING.
THIS IS ONE OF THE CONTINUAL, LEAST UNIFIED COMMISSIONS I'VE SERVED ON, AND I'VE SERVED ON SOME VERY INTERESTING COMMISSIONS IN MY YEARS OF BEING HERE.
BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN SUCH CLOSED DOOR, CLOSED MIND SECRETIVE.
DON'T TALK TO ANYBODY. DON'T LET ANYBODY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE THEY MAY WANT TO DO IT TOO.
COMMUNITIES, AS THIS COMMISSION AND FORMER COMMISSIONS HAVE BEEN.
AND MAY THAT ACTUALLY CHANGE GOING INTO 2024.
BECAUSE IT REALLY WOULD BE NICE TO GET BACK TO THAT COMMISSION THAT SHOWS THE CITY THAT WE'RE HERE FOR THE CITY, AND WE'RE SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO GO TO THE EVENTS WITH EACH OTHER, BUT IT'S NICE AND WE SHOW UP.
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I APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER WRIGHT SHOWED UP TO THE MAYOR'S CHESS CHALLENGE.WAS SHOCKING FOR ME TOO. I THOUGHT IT WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A WORKOUT AND IT KICKED OUR REAR ENDS.
IT DID A GOOD JOB, BUT THERE'S WAYS TO DO THINGS AND ALSO NOT BE THREATENING.
IN YOUR COMMENTARY TO WHERE WE CAN TRY TO GET TO SOMEWHERE WHERE THIS CITY IS ACTUALLY DOING THINGS, AND THE COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY DOING THINGS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY VERSUS THEIR OWN MARKETING CAMPAIGNS.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS AND COMMISSIONER MADAM MAYOR.
JUST A REMINDER, WE HAVE A HARD BEGINNING AT 2:00 AND I KNOW YOU COMMISSIONER WANT TO HAVE LUNCH.
JUST A REMINDER. I'M GOOD WITH IT.
THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I JUST WANT TO JUMP ON WHAT CITY ATTORNEY SAID WITH REGARDS TO RESPONSIBILITY.
AND YOU MAY HAVE SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS INTO IT LEFT OVER, BUT YOUR BUDGET IS YOUR BUDGET.
SO I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT TYPE OF POLICY.
SO CITY MANAGER, IF JUST TO KEEP YOURSELF AND STAFF ACCOUNTABLE ON THAT AND AS WELL AS US, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT HAVE A POLICY, YOU KNOW, WE RESPOND TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT ACCOUNTABILITY FROM THAT END, FROM EVERYONE HERE THAT'S HERE, TO US, IT'S FOR ME, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT PERSONALLY, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US ON THIS SIDE TO HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION, TO SAY, HEY.
UM, AND I'M GOING TO JUST JUMP IN ON THE LABOR.
YES. FOR ME IN THE PAST HAS BEEN THE LABOR COST.
NOT EVEN SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, FOOD OR PRODUCTS.
IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO STAFF TIME.
SORRY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
IT'S IT'S A VERY INDEED THE BUDGET ITEM.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.
I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO SUPPORT MY COLLEAGUES.
I'VE SHOWED UP AT YOUR EVENTS.
I SHOWED UP AT THE VICE MAYOR'S EVENT IN THE MAINLAND PARK A FEW WEEKS AGO.
I WAS KIND OF HURT WHEN I WASN'T INVITED TO THIS ONE ON SATURDAY.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE FUNDS, I'M IN SUPPORT OF 15,000, BUT I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF SHARON IN TERMS OF LIKE, IF I HAVE FUNDS AND THE VICE MAYOR OF THE MAYOR HAS AN EVENT THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THEY UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT.
AND I HAVE NOTHING WITH PEOPLE COMING FROM DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO I SEE NOTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE BETTER IDEAS IN TERMS OF EVENTS THAT WE SHOULD DO.
VICE MAYOR BOLTON GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR IT.
AND THEN PERHAPS INTO THE NEXT YEAR, I CAN USE THOSE FUNDS TO DO SIMILAR EVENTS.
SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE 15,000.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE 15,000 WHERE IT'S OPEN TO SHARE IF WE HAVE FUNDS REMAINING.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES FOR COMMISSIONER IS YOU'RE ASKING FOR IN THE POLICY THAT IF YOU HAVE $10,000 LEFT OVER FOR YOUR YEAR, AND ANOTHER COMMISSIONER HAS NOT YET HAS USED UP THEIR $15,000, YOU WANT THE POLICY TO BE CHANGED TO ALLOW YOUR 10,000 TO BE UTILIZED BY ANOTHER PERSON ON THE COMMISSION WHO'S GONE OVER BUDGET.
I'M OPEN TO SHARING WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
YES, OF THE 15, I THINK VICE MAYOR SAID HE WANTED 25.
I'M NOT I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF 25.
AT THIS TIME. CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE 1520.
YOU HAVE REQUESTS FOR SOME CHANGES IN POLICY TERMS. SO WHETHER IT COMES TO ABILITY TO SHARE WHEN IT COMES TO.
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PREVENTION OF GOING OVER BUDGET WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE CITY MANAGER.SO THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO COME BACK WITH A.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE USE OF FUNDS.
IF YOU'RE DOING AN EVENT TOGETHER, YOU CAN SHARE THE FUNDS IT DOESN'T HAVE A POLICY FOR.
I THINK, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST WHEN WHEN AN EVENT IS SHARED BY MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS, WE DID ALLOW THE SHARING OF THE COST. THIS IS DIFFERENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I NEED TO CHANGE ANY OF THE POLICY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
I. YEAH, BUT THE VICE MAYOR HAD HIS THING LIT FIRST.
BECAUSE WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE ITEM ON THE FLOOR.
BUT IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS THAT WANT PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK.
MAYOR. UM, YOU KNOW, I DID NOT HEAR CONSENSUS FOR THE CLEARLY FOR THE AMOUNT.
YOU KNOW, THE MANAGER SAID THAT STAFF WOULD NOT BE AGAINST HAVING, UM, GOING BACK TO $25,000.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR CLEAR CONSENSUS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING FOR $15,000 OR $25,000, I NOTICED THAT. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT SAID THAT HE WOULD BE FOR $15,000, BUT I DID NOT HEAR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AGREEING TO 15,000 OR 25,000 FOR THAT MATTER.
AND JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP AGAIN, I DID SPEAK CLEARLY.
I DID SAY THAT MY EVENT LAST WEEK WAS PLANNED IN PROPER TIME.
IT WAS NOT PLANNED LAST MINUTE.
THE CONSIDERATION TO INVITING MY COLLEAGUES WAS LAST MINUTE.
I DID HAVE A TALK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER SAID, THIS IS YOUR EVENT.
IT IS NOT A CITY EVENT, AND SO IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE APPROPRIATE TO INVITE YOUR COLLEAGUES.
IT WAS NOT IT WAS NOT A MATTER OF DON'T INVITE THEM OR THEY DON'T WANT TO BE INVITED OR DON'T PLAY GAMES OR WHATEVER IT IS. I ENJOY OUR COLLEAGUES COMING OUT.
I ENJOY OTHER RESIDENTS FROM THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ACTUALLY COMING.
WE WE ACTUALLY HAD OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER DISTRICTS COMING TO MAINLAND'S PARK AS WELL WHEN THAT EVENT WAS WAS HELD, YOU KNOW, SO TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE A NARRATIVE THAT I DON'T WANT MY COLLEAGUES THERE IS DEFINITELY NOT TRUE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE I DON'T WANT MY COLLEAGUES.
YOU KNOW, MELISSA PATRON IS HERE.
SHE CAN VERIFY THAT WE DID GET PERMISSION TO USE THE PAVILION, THAT SHE SPOKE TO THE HOA REPRESENTATIVE, AND THEY WERE HAPPY TO HAVE US OUT THERE.
THEY HAD A WONDERFUL TIME AS WELL.
THEY DID NOT EXPECT THAT THE COMMISSION WAS GOING TO BE THERE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I TOLD THEM BEFORE THAT THE COMMISSION WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T INVITED, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS ALSO A NARRATIVE THAT JUST HAS TO BE CLEANED UP.
AS FAR AS UNITY GOES, I'VE BEEN TRYING MY VERY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET ALONG WITH ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, AND I INCLUDE MY COLLEAGUES ON EVERY SINGLE ITEM.
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COLLEAGUES, THAT IS NOT TRUE.AND I RENOUNCE THAT THAT THAT IDEA.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE NARRATIVE GOING FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, I'LL CONTINUE TO HUG YOU EVEN THOUGH YOUR RESPONSE IS, WHERE'S THE KNIFE? BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE COFFEE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, AND I DON'T HAVE TO TEXT YOU ABOUT FOOTBALL AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I AM GOING TO TREAT YOU FAIRLY AND NICELY BECAUSE YOU'RE THE MAYOR OF THE CITY AND YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO MY EVENTS.
CAN'T ATTEND SOMETHING. YOU. AND I FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
SO WHO WOULD USE THE 15,000 THAT YOU'RE GIVING THEM? YOU KNOW HE'S NOT GIVING UP. OH NO NO, NO.
I AM SAYING WE CAN HAVE IT AS A POOL.
AND IF I HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I DON'T USE MY 15,000 AND I HAVE 4500 HYPOTHETICALLY REMAINING.
ONE MINUTE. YEAH. I'M LISTENING TO YOU.
WOULDN'T THAT MEAN THAT IT'S LAST MINUTE BY THE TIME YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE 4000 AVAILABLE? THAT'S A GREAT POINT. THAT WAS NEVER MY POINT.
MY POINT WAS ABOUT SHARING THE MONEY.
SO SOMETIMES SOME EVENTS ARE GOING TO BE LAST MINUTE.
THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NO, NO NO.
MEANING BY THE TIME SAY WE HAVE TO THE BUDGET GO.
THE YEAR ENDS SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER 30TH.
RIGHT. BY THE TIME YOU REALIZE THAT, OH, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND THIS MONEY.
WHAT DATE WOULD THAT BE? A SPECIFIC DATE AND SPENDING THE MONEY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AS A POOL.
SOME CITIES DO IT AS A POOL, DON'T THEY? THEY HOW HOW HOW HOW, HOW IS IT DONE? OUR MONEY IS LINE ITEM PER DISTRICT.
DISTRICT. SO WE CAN'T DO IT AS A POOL.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S NO CONSENSUS.
YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THE SHARING.
BOLTON. YOU SAID HAVE THESE CREATIVE IDEAS.
NO, I'M SAYING NO NO NO NO NO, I WOULDN'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE.
DEFINITELY NOT BEFORE HIM TO TO GET A PIECE OF THE PIE.
NO, I'M SAYING THAT AS COLLEAGUES, IF WE IF YOU HAVE AN INITIATIVE THAT YOU WANT TO DO AND I HAVE REMAINING FUNDS, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, YOU AND THE MAYOR GOING TO DO A WOMAN'S INITIATIVE, AND I WANT TO SUPPORT THAT.
I WOULD SAY, OKAY, HERE'S 3000 FROM MY FUNDS.
RIGHT. SO WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO DO WHAT WE DO NOW AND SHARE? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THEN YOU WOULD BE A PART OF THAT EVENT BECAUSE THEN.
CITY MANAGER. THAT'S WHAT I'M.
RIGHT. YOU WON'T KNOW UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE LEFT.
JUST SAY, I HAVE A GREAT EVENT AND I'M TAKING ALL YOUR MONEY, RIGHT? LIKE, BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING IN A POOL AND THEN NOBODY ELSE GETS THE ABILITY TO DO THEIR OWN EVENTS.
ANYBODY WANTS TO JOIN ME AND BE A PART OF THE PET EXPO EVENT, LET ME KNOW.
BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU DO IT AND DO IT AS A GROUP.
YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I DID, I DID I DID A GOOD ENOUGH JOB.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW, SOME OF US KNOW HOW TO HANDLE MONEY AND BUDGET PROPERLY.
YEAH. WE TALK WE TALK ABOUT SHARING.
SHARING. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE JUST DON'T BEAT ME UP.
LAST TIME I HAD SOMETHING HERE, YOU JUST KIND OF NAILED IT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A BRUISE, YOU ACCIDENTALLY NAIL IT.
THERE'S THERE'S A WAY TO DO THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF THERE'S AN ABILITY FOR THIS COMMISSION TO START WORKING AS A COMMISSION TO DO THINGS TOGETHER MORE IN THE LIGHT, INSTEAD OF BEING SO AFRAID THAT WE CAN'T TALK BECAUSE WE REALLY CAN.
AND SO I'M HAVING THIS PET THING.
THOSE ARE NOT SPENDING EXTRA DOLLARS.
IT IS NOT AN INITIATIVE THAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING OVER THE AMOUNT.
THERE'S THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
DISTRICT TWO. DISTRICT FOUR WAS DISTRICT TWO.
IN THE PAST, MAINLAND'S TEN AND A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES USED TO BE PART OF DISTRICT TWO.
MAYBE YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CENTRAL THERE AND THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO TOGETHER.
WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO COST.
THE CITY MANAGER COMES BACK AND SAYS, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO.
THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST AND OVERTIME PAY OR REGULAR PAY OR RENTAL OF STUFF.
AND THEN THE TWO OF YOU WOULD THEN GO, OKAY, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUDGET IT.
IT'S EASY TO DO IT WHEN YOU COMMUNICATE OPENLY.
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BUT I THINK AS GENEROUS AS YOU MAY WANT TO BE, I THINK THAT COULD HAVE A WRENCH.SO THE ITEM ON THE TABLE IS ACTUALLY THE 1520.
AND FOLLOWING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
COMMISSIONER RIGHT? MR. DANIEL. WE ALSO HEAR CONSENSUS FOR THE 25,000.
WHERE IT WAS. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL GET THE SAME IF WE'RE INVITED.
SO. NO, NO, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T.
NO, NO, LISTEN, I, I THINK I THINK THAT THE, I THINK THAT THE PET EXPO IS A, I THINK THAT THE PET EXPO IS A GREAT IDEA AND MAYOR AND BECAUSE THREE THREE PEOPLE TALKING.
SORRY. YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK THAT, LIKE, THE PET EXPOSURE IS A GREAT IDEA.
I MEAN, I LOVE PETS, I DON'T HAVE A CAT OR A DOG.
MY SON HAS BEEN ASKING FOR ONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD OPEN MY EYES TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT HE SHOULD HAVE ONE OR NOT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, THE MAYOR, OPENED THE PET PANTRY.
DANIEL, MYSELF, WE WENT OVER TO THE PANTRY.
I USED INITIATIVE FUNDS TO PUT, YOU KNOW, ITEMS IN THE PET PANTRY.
THEN I ALSO USE MY PERSONAL FUNDS TO PUT ITEMS IN THE PET PANTRY.
WE'VE ALL SUPPORTED EACH OTHER IN THE PAST.
WE'VE JUST NOT MADE IT A THING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S IT'S ALSO ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.
BUT WE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE WE'RE ONE CITY.
I'VE NOT BEEN TO KING'S POINT IN YEARS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHY AM I GOING TO KING'S POINT? YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S IF I'M HAVING AN EVENT IN DISTRICT ONE AND I INVITE THE MAYOR, PERHAPS IT'S A, IT'S A MORE IT SITS BETTER WHERE THAT IS CONCERNED.
DANIEL'S IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING $25,000 FOR EACH PERSON ACROSS THE BOARD.
IT WASN'T HER IDEA BECAUSE THE SOMEBODY SAID THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
IT GOES BACK TO THE RESIDENTS.
WITH SAFEGUARD. THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
I'M NOT TOO KEEN ON THE WHAT MR. WRIGHT SAID, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'LL GET LEFT OUT IN THE CLOUD.
SO I'M NOT TOO INTO THAT, BUT I'M OKAY WITH THE 25 AND IF THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER, SEND IT BACK TO THE BUDGET, PUT IT FOR NEXT YEAR, LET IT CARRY OVER FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THAT'S WHAT I'M OKAY WITH.
SO THE FIGURE 25 IS GOOD AND NOT TO STAY ON A BUDGET.
I KNOW HOW TO USE A SAFEGUARD.
I KNOW HOW TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS WHEN PEOPLE GET TO PICK AND ONE PERSON GET MORE THAN THE OTHER.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
OR IT ONLY GOES TO ONE COMMUNITY AND NOT THE OTHER.
I BELIEVE IN EQUITY AND EQUALITY.
SO I'M OKAY WITH THE 25 WITH THOSE PARAMETERS.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET CONSENSUS ON THE 1520.
SO I JUST BRING YOU BACK AND THEN IT GOT UNIMAGINABLY HERE.
ALL RIGHT. I PROBABLY CAN HEAR US OR WHATEVER.
ALL RIGHT, SO YOU'RE BACK TO THE TOPIC.
GO AHEAD. JUST THE LAST THING I'LL SAY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN AUDIT SYSTEM IN HOUSE.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE AN AUDIT SYSTEM OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUTSOURCED.
IF THEY FIND THAT WE DID SOMETHING WRONG, IT'S REALLY.
YOU KNOW THAT PERSPECTIVE TO KNOW, HEY, WE ALL NEED TO FALL IN LINE.
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THERE IS A PROCESS.I THINK 25 IS EXCESSIVE, I THINK.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE I AM WITH 15.
UM, I KNOW MY EVENT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE ONES, HAVE BEEN LABOR INTENSE, AND I HAVE HAD EVENTS THAT COST ME A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS, THREE, $400 AND THE RETURN ON IT, IT'S HUGE.
SO. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION HERE.
I'M WANT TO GO WITH WHAT'S RECOMMENDED.
WOULD WE USE IT? YES. IF IT'S THERE WE'RE GOING TO USE IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM SOMETIMES IS.
YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN PRINT OUT $1 TRILLION.
YOU BETTER BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL SPEND IT.
THEY'LL FIND A WAY TO HAVE A PRINTING PRESS GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
WE HAVE A BREAK. SO CONSENSUS IS WHERE YOU'RE.
WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT THE 15 AND 20, OR DO YOU WANT 25? I WOULD GO WITH THE 15 AND 20.
SOMEWHERE WHERE WE HAVE 15 AND THEN SAY, HEY, YOU'RE RUNNING TO THAT THRESHOLD.
MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE ONE MORE THING.
THE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS YOU MENTIONED THE SAFEGUARDS, THE EACH TRANSACTION IS PART OF THIS COMMISSION INITIATIVE IS TESTED AGAINST A NUMBER OF THINGS.
ONE IS PUBLIC PURPOSE AND TWO CITY'S PROCUREMENT POLICIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO MAKE LIFE EASIER, I WOULD SAY WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL $25,000 ACROSS THE BOARD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO BE AS FRUGAL WITH OUR DOLLARS AS WE CAN BE AS PART OF THIS.
ARE YOU KIDDING? I'M JUST I'M JUMPING IN.
YOU'RE. MIKE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MIC FOR ME AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
DO YOU REALLY THINK WE NEED A MIC FOR ME? I'M GOING TO SAY. ARE YOU KIDDING? NO. THE RESIDENTS CAN HEAR ME QUITE WELL, I'M SURE, WITHOUT A MIC.
ARE YOU KIDDING? THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE FIGHT AND THE BUDGET.
DID YOU NOT REMEMBER ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE UPSET WITH US? ARE WE OR IS OUR MEMORY THAT SHORT AND THAT SKEWED? IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO THE GAMES THAT I'M SORRY WE HAD A BUDGET PROCESS, AND JUST BECAUSE WE CAN AMEND IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD.
AND YOU TALK ABOUT GAMES AREN'T PLAYED.
GAMES ARE PLAYED CONSTANTLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND IT'S EMBARRASSING.
UM. ACTUALLY, I WAS TRYING TO FINISH THIS OFF TO GET CONSENSUS AND MOVE.
BUT COMMISSIONER DANIEL, IF YOU NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE DO SO.
THAT'S JUST. BUT GIVEN WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID, WELL, EVERYONE'S I THINK IT'S OKAY TO DO 25 AND JUST ROLL IT OVER IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT LIKE THE MAYOR HAS A OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT THE 25, DON'T SPEND IT AND LET IT GO BACK TO THE BUDGET.
I DON'T SAY WE GIVE IT TO ANYBODY ELSE.
I MIGHT NOT SPEND 25, BUT I DO KNOW THIS IS MY SECOND YEAR.
I'M GOING TO BE DOING MORE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE MORE VISIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I SAY THE MONEY GOES BACK INTO THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
UM, THAT'S ALL WE DO WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THE MONEY GOES BACK. IT ROLLS OVER.
IT GOES TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT WE VOTE ON IT, AND NO ONE HAS TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
AND WE WILL FOLLOW THE SAFEGUARD.
I APPRECIATE I'M CUTTING YOU OFF ONLY BECAUSE YOUR COMMENTS ARE THE SAME AND WE NEED TO MOVE IT ON.
SO I'VE GOT TWO FOR 25 SECONDS.
I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS WHO HASN'T MADE A DECISION.
COMMISSIONER RIGHT. GO AHEAD. SINCE HE HASN'T MADE A DECISION, I THINK WE'RE AT AN IMPASSE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IS STUCK BETWEEN 25 AND 25 AND 15.
WHAT ABOUT 2020? PER COMMISSIONER AND 25 FOR THE MAYOR.
COMMISSIONER, DANIEL. VICE MAYOR.
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SORRY, THE EXTRA FIVE IS GOOD FOR THE PETS.YEAH, WE GOT IT. YOU'VE GOT YOUR CONSENSUS ON THE RECORD.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 105.
WE ARE TAKING A HALF HOUR BREAK.
WHAT IS THE DESIRED BREAK? I KNOW WE NEED TO CHARGE OUR MIKES.
IS THIS RIGHT? WE BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES.
HAVEN'T YOU SEEN THIS? THIS ITEM TOOK US FROM 1150, 35 TO NOW.
SO. UNLESS WE'RE EATING AT THE DESK.
NOT HAVING A TIME CERTAIN LIKE THAT.
THE ONLY TIME CERTAIN IS 2:00 FOR WHEN WE HAVE A SHADE SESSION THAT WE WILL GO BACK AND FORTH FROM.
SO. I'M GLAD YOU WERE TELLING ME YOUR OPINION.
YOUR OPINION IS YOU LIKE TO EAT DURING THE SHADE SESSION.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE STAFF HERE THAT ALSO WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO EAT.
SO WE ARE TAKING A 25 MINUTE BREAK.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME BACK.
WE ARE RESUMING OUR COMMISSION WORKSHOP AND WE ARE STARTING WITH BACK.
[1.e Discussion and Consensus on the elements for the Sabal Palm Park Improvement Presented by Melissa Petron, Assistant Director of Parks & Recreation.]
WITH ONE E DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS ON THE ELEMENTS FOR SABAL PALM PARK IMPROVEMENT, PRESENTED BY MELISSA PETRONE, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.JOHN DOHERTY, PUBLIC SERVICES DIRECTOR, AND MUSTAFA AL-BASSAM.
AND I'M GOING TO SCREW UP YOUR TITLE HERE.
GREAT MAN. AND BE BAD WITH TITLES.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. BEFORE THEY BEGIN, MAY I JUST SURE PROVIDE $0.02 WORTH.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE THE AMENITIES THAT GOES IN THE PARK.
AND SO THIS IS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE THE TIMELINE, AS WE HAVE $1 MILLION IN PENDING GRANT DOLLARS THAT REQUIRES THIS PARK BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY AUGUST 2024.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS THIS CONVERSATION IN FRONT OF YOU THIS, THIS AFTERNOON, SO WE CAN GET THE MOST AMENITIES THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS PARK IN PLACE SO WE CAN IDENTIFY THE DOLLARS IN THE SENSE THE BUDGET, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AND BUILD PROCESS.
SO. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A PARK AND STABLE PALM PARK.
WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND GET CONSENSUS ON AMENITIES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE PARK.
BUT GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE BY THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF GREG WARNER.
SO SOME OF THE SLIDES ARE FAMILIAR TO YOU, BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THE FDOT IS PROPOSING FUTURE EXPANSION ON THE TURNPIKE SO THAT WILL IMPACT ONE ACRE OF THE PARCEL.
THE CITY HAS BUDGETED SOME MONEY IN THE CIP FY 23 TO THE DESIGN OF THE PARK, WHICH WAS OVER 2,403,000, AND THEN IN THE CIP FOR FY 24 IS SEVEN AND ONE HALF MILLION IS BUDGETED.
WE HAD GOTTEN PUBLIC INPUT FROM A FEW DIFFERENT SOURCES.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD AT THE CENTRAL PARK CLUBHOUSE IN 2020, AND THEN WE HAD TWO MEETINGS IN 2023 AT SABAL PALM COMMUNITY POOL AND BY A TEAM. SO THE LIST OF POTENTIAL AMENITIES THAT CAME OUT OF THESE MEETINGS AND FROM THE STUDIES, WE HAVE A LIST HERE.
MULTI-PURPOSE RECTANGULAR FIELD.
PLAYGROUND, A FITNESS AREA OR FITNESS STATIONS.
RESTROOM FACILITY, PARKING AND A PICNIC SHELTER.
YOU CAN SKIP THAT HERE. WE DO HAVE.
LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAID, WE DO HAVE $1 MILLION GRANT.
DO AN EXTENSION IN THE GRANT IN AUGUST 24TH.
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SO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIMELINE UP HERE OF THE PROCESS FOR THE PHP FOR DESIGN AND BUILD PROJECT.SO I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM, BUT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT PART COMPLETION AND OPENING BY FEBRUARY 2026 IF WE FOLLOW THIS TIMELINE.
SO OUR NEXT STEP IS THE FUN STUFF.
FINALIZE THE PARK AMENITIES SO WE CAN PREPARE AND ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
AND THEN WE'LL AWARD THE CONTRACT.
AND THEN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION CAN BEGIN.
SO MUSTAFA HAS A PROGRAM HERE THAT LISTS.
THE SITE WITH THE AMENITIES THAT WE CAN LOOK.
SO JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THERE'S A LIST OF AMENITIES ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN WE CAN START MOVING THINGS AROUND FROM THERE.
PARKING LOT ON THERE. SO THIS IS AN INTERACTIVE PROCESS, AND WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO LOOK THROUGH THOSE AMENITIES AND THEN JUST PROVIDE US WITH SOME CONSENSUS ON ON WHICH ONES WE SHOULD APPLY TO THE PARK.
REGULAR SIZE, MEANING THE FULL PARKING LOT.
WITH. THE PARKING LOT IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF THE PARKING SPACES IS GOING TO DEPEND ON THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU SELECT AND THROUGH THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THIS IS JUST A GENERAL PARKING LOT THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR THE FACILITY, BUT THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WILL WILL DEPEND ON WHAT ACTUALLY GOES IN THE PARK. SO ON THE RIGHT.
THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU COULD SEE THE PARKING LOT COST ESTIMATED TO BE 194.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD READ THAT OR NOT.
TRY TO ZOOM IT IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
HE'S PULL, PULL IN THE RESTROOM AND MAYBE A COUPLE OTHER ELEMENTS.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS LITTLE SLIVER RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE IT'S SHADED.
THIS IS PART OF WHAT THE TURNPIKE AUTHORITY IS PROPOSING TO TAKE FROM OUR LAND IN THE WIDENING OF THE TURNPIKE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE LAST WORKSHOP. IN THE LAST WORKSHOP, TURNPIKE HAD PRESENTED THE WIDENING OF THE TURNPIKE AND THEM REDOING THE RAMP TO THE TURNPIKE. THEY DO NEED THIS LAND.
EMPHASIZE WHAT MUSTAFA WAS JUST SAYING, THAT THAT SLIVER OF LAND THAT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY BY THE TURNPIKE AUTHORITY IS STILL IS BEING TAKEN AWAY.
I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 0.8, 0.3, 0.36 ACRES.
IT'S MUCH LESS THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ORIGINALLY PLANNED.
BUT BUT IT'S IT'S STILL NOT NOTHING.
CORRECT. SO SO FAR I HAVE THE PARKING LOT, THE MULTI-PURPOSE WALKWAY, RESTROOM BUILDING AND THE MULTI-PURPOSE FIELD.
UM, COULD TRACK THE BASKETBALL.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A BIG CONSIDERATION FOR THE EAST SIDE.
SURE. OH, THIS IS A DOG PARK RIGHT
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HERE. UM.SO LOOKING AT THIS LIST, WE HAVE THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS.
WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT. WE HAVE THE RESTROOM.
UM. WE'VE GOT THE BASKETBALL IN THERE.
WE HAVE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEAS? SAND VOLLEYBALL. NOT ON. MORE.
THESE ARE THE LIST OF POTENTIAL AMENITIES.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T FIT EVERYTHING IN THE PARK.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GET CONSISTENT CONSENSUS WITH YOU ALL.
WHAT AMENITIES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN NARROW IT DOWN.
THAT. NO, THERE WAS NO DIFFICULTY.
IT'S LIKE A MULTI-PURPOSE COURT.
THE PICKLEBALL IS ENJOYED MUCH BETTER WHEN IT'S IN A PUBLIC PARK.
FOR THE SOUND THAT IT MAKES AND THE LAWSUITS THAT ARE INCREASING IN NUMBER WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
OR WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A WORLD OF PAIN OVER IT.
SO. I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHY? WHY GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT WHAT'S REQUESTED, AND WE ARE ON A QUOTE TIME FRAME TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS TO BRING THIS OUT FOR BID SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE CAN KEEP THE MILLION DOLLAR GRANT.
SO WHY NOT MAKE IT AS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT IT REALLY IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE, VERSUS HAVING TO THEN GO BACK TO A DRAWING BOARD AND PULL SOME THINGS OUT THAT WE KNOW ARE NOT WHAT THEY WANTED.
WHAT? THE DESIGN BUILD PROCESS.
WHAT WE DO AND WE SEND AN RFP.
WE LIST THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE PARK, AND WE PROVIDE A DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE AS TO EXACTLY WHAT THOSE ELEMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE, THE SIZE AND THE DESIGN OF THEM AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER THEM CLEARLY SAYING IS THEY WANTED A GATE FOR THE PARKING.
THEY DID NOT WANT PEOPLE THERE OVERNIGHT.
THERE'S NO ONE WHO'S NOT AWARE THAT THIS IS PUBLIC PROPERTY.
SO THEY WERE ADAMANT ABOUT A GATE HAVING THAT GATED ENCLOSED.
WE'LL CERTAINLY ADD THAT INTO THE PROJECT.
VICE MAYOR. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? OKAY. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOUR NUMBER.
I'M DEFERRING BECAUSE THIS IS.
AND THEN I'LL. I MEAN, I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE PICKLEBALL.
I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE PICKLEBALL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE RESIDENTS IN THAT MEETING THAT ASKED FOR PICKLEBALL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY IT SAYS BASKETBALL SLASH PICKLEBALL COURT.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, I CAN REMEMBER VIVIDLY, ACTUALLY, UM, CLAUDIA CAMPBELL THAT LIVES DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS, THE PROPERTY.
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YOU KNOW, AND I AND I AND I SAY HER NAME BECAUSE I KNOW VIVIDLY SHE SAID IT AND SHE GOT SUPPORT FROM OTHER RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS FOR THAT PICKLEBALL COURT.I MEAN, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE AND WE DON'T WANT IT THERE, IT DOESN'T CAUSE ME HEARTBURN BECAUSE PICKLEBALL IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYWAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY DID ASK FOR A PICKLEBALL COURT.
I KNOW THAT THEY THAT THEY ASKED FOR.
GENERAL ALL PURPOSE FIELD AND A PARK WITH SWING SLIDES FOR KIDS UNDER 12.
YOU KNOW, IS HOW THEY'VE REFRESHED MY MEMORY.
UM. AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, OF COURSE, PICNIC SHELTERS AND AND WI-FI IN THE PARK.
SO THESE ARE THE THE REFRESHERS THAT I KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT COMMUNITY SO WELL.
I CAN TELL YOU WHO SAID WHAT AT WHAT TIME SO WE CAN GO THERE.
SO MAYBE WE CAN GO DOWN THE LIST AND TRY TO GET CONSENSUS FOR EACH ITEM.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS WHY IS THIS LIST DIFFERENT THAN THE LIST THAT'S IN OUR PACKAGE? WE HAVE A LISTENER PACKAGE WITH THE AMENITIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED WITH THE PUBLIC INPUT.
THAT'S NOT TRUE. AND SO THEN WHY IS IT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S HERE? SO AND I ACTUALLY SAW A COUPLE THIS WEEKEND ABOUT THESE ITEMS. AND SO I'D ASK THEM TO SEND THE LIST.
THEY SENT IT TO PROBABLY TO THE VICE MAYOR, WHICH IS FINE.
BUT IT DOES. BUT YEAH, BUT WE'RE ALL VOTING ON IT.
YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL A PART OF.
THIS WAS THE COMMUNITY BUILDING ON THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER.
WE HAD A LONG WORKSHOP AND SAID NO TO A WORKSHOP, TO A COMMUNITY BUILDING.
NO, I WANT IT ON THE RECORD BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT UP THERE NOW ON THE RECORD, THIS COMMISSION SAID THEY WEREN'T PAYING $16,000 FOR A COMMUNITY BUILDING, AND THAT COMMUNITY SAID THEY DON'T WANT A COMMUNITY BUILDING IN THERE AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANT IT ON THE RECORD BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT.
WE ALREADY HAD A WORKSHOP ON IT, SO.
BUT ANYWAY, IT'S I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT IT IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
UM. SO SO, SO AGAIN THAT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE.
HOWEVER, WHEN THEY HEARD THE PRICE TAG SOME OF THEM CHANGED THEIR MIND.
AGAIN. POTENTIALLY A COMMUNITY CENTER IS GOING TO AT SHAKER VILLAGE POTENTIALLY.
SO I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY WANT A COMMUNITY CENTER HERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, WITH ALL THE YEARS LATER FOR HOW MANY ITERATIONS WE DO THINGS.
WE WENT THERE THE NEXT TIME THEY DIDN'T WANT BATHROOMS AND PARKING WENT BACK.
THE NEXT TIME IT CHANGED AGAIN.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE LAST TIME WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON THIS.
FEBRUARY 2023 VIA TEAMS. I DON'T. I KNOW WHEN WE WERE THERE IN 2020.
IT'S GOING TO CHANGE BACK AND FORTH.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIG NUMBERS AND BIG CHANGES.
AND I ALSO REMEMBER SOME PEOPLE FEELING LIKE THEY WERE.
ANYWAY, I'M. THEY WERE NOT PLEASED WITH THE IDEA OF THE COMMUNITY BUILDING.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. YOU HAVE YOUR THING.
THANK YOU MAYOR. SO THE WHOLE WISH LIST IS 4.4.
UM, I JUST WANT TO GET SOME ANSWERS HERE.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES? APPROXIMATELY. IF WE DO THIS FULL ON PARKING SPACE.
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BUT. APPROXIMATELY.I THINK THIS THIS DRAWING WE HAVE HERE IS ABOUT 50 PARKING SPACES.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE DETERMINED ON THE ELEMENTS WE SELECT.
AND OUR CODE HAS AN EQUATION THAT TELLS YOU HOW MANY PARKING SPACES YOU NEED FOR CERTAIN ELEMENTS.
UM. SPLASH PADS WERE MENTIONED AND.
I'M ASSUMING I'M NOT AN ENGINEER HERE, BUT THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE IMMENSE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SAY IS TRUE OR FALSE? THERE WAS THERE WAS TALK ABOUT A SPLASH PAD FROM THE MEETINGS.
IT IS VERY COSTLY TO MAINTAIN AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES.
SO WE FELT LIKE HAVING THE TWO AND PLUS THE ONE THAT'S AT THE VILLAGE, THAT'S ENOUGH RIGHT NOW.
NOW WE'RE DOING SABAL PALM SPECIFIC.
WE JUST HAD THE GRAND OPENING ON THE EAST SIDE OF TAMARAC, WHICH WE SPENT.
THAT'S ALMOST COMMUNITY CENTRIC AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S VERY WELL HIDDEN, RIGHT? SO IS THAT THE GAME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER HERE BECAUSE.
EVEN IF WE DO HAVE ALL THESE AMENITIES.
WE JUST SPENT $4.5 MILLION IN THE EAST SIDE OF TAMARAC FOR PARALLEL PARK.
AND THEN FOR SOME REASON, SHAKER VILLAGE IS.
12 TO $15 MILLION, WHICH ACCOMMODATES NONE OF THIS EXCEPT A BUILDING AND 25 PARKING SPACES.
THIS IS THE PRICE TAG FOR THESE ELEMENTS ONLY.
WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THE DESIGN, THE STORMWATER, THE WATER AND SEWER.
SO THE PRICE TAG ON THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $8 MILLION.
STILL LESSON. SHAKER VILLAGE BY FAR.
SHAKER VILLAGE IS NOT GOING TO ACCOMMODATE ANYONE.
ONLY 24 PARKING SPACES, ZERO AMENITIES, AND IT'S WITHIN A COMMUNITY.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE A FEW BLOCKS AWAY.
YOU HAVE THIS GRAND PARK, WHICH HAS AN AMOUNT OF AMENITIES THAT MANY PEOPLE MORE CAN ENJOY.
I WOULD AGREE THAT SOME SORT OF PARKING REGULATIONS BE PUT IN PLACE.
SO DEFINITELY SOME SORT OF MECHANISM THAT WOULD TELL THEM AUTOMATICALLY.
WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I'LL BE VERY SPECIFIC ON AS FAR AS THE OTHER AMENITIES, I MEAN, THEY'RE WONDERFUL IF YOU CAN ADD EVERYTHING EVEN BETTER.
SO THAT'S JUST MY TAKE FOR NOW.
COMMISSIONER. DANIEL. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT I DID VOTE.
I THINK IT WAS MY FIRST WORKSHOP.
I DID VOTE FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER HERE AND IT WAS 1 TO 4.
SO HE SAID I DIDN'T, BUT I DID.
SO NOW WE'RE AT SHAKER VILLAGE FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER.
THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN A COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND IF WE WANT TO GO BACK ON THAT VOTE AND PUT A COMMUNITY CENTER HERE.
BUT NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT, THE COST TO BUILD THAT BUILDING IS THE COST TO BUILD THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S IN SHAKER VILLAGE, VILLAGE OR HERE.
WELL, SHAKER VILLAGE IS WILLING TO SELL THE LAND.
SO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, I JUST THINK WE NEED ONE EAST.
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IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THESE ARE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THE BASKETBALL COURT BECAUSE THAT'S NEEDED.UM, AND I'M WONDERING, WHAT'S THAT BUILDING FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER NOW? IT'S A 2500, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BASED ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THAT EVERYTHING IS NOT INCLUDED.
WHY? IT'S ONLY. I'M SORRY, 2.5 MILLION.
SO THAT WAS MY TAKE, COMING BACK ON THE COMMUNISTS AND THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE CLOSENESS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PARKS, WEST IS ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT LOGIC.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO AT THE COURT, THE GREEN ONE IS WHAT? THAT'S BASKETBALL.
THAT'S. THAT'S SOCCER OR MULTI-PURPOSE FIELD.
FOOTBALL. SO I'M THINKING THAT CLOSE BY THERE, WE SHOULD HAVE LIKE SOME SORT OF OF OF BENCHES.
YOU KNOW HOW LIKE THE SPORTS COMPLEX HAVE BENCHES THAT GO UP.
BECAUSE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A SOCCER WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TO SIT TO WATCH THE GAME BEING PLAYED? SO WE HAVE TO LEAVE SPACE FOR SEATING, FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THE GAMES, AND MAYBE TO HAVE THE SEATING IN SUCH A WAY WHERE IT OVERLOOKS BOTH ACTIVITIES SO THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT PUTTING.
THE ALLOTTING TOO MUCH SPACE FOR BENCHES AND SO FORTH.
SO I GET THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN THE ELEMENTS NOW, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE ACTUALLY PUT THEM SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WORKS AND IT'S FEASIBLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW IF AT THIS TIME WE COULD PUT A CONCESSION ROOM JUST LIKE CAPIROLA PARK DOES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOW THAT WOULD WORK, BUT THE SPLASH PADS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE ADAMANT ABOUT GOING INTO THE PARK.
THEY THEY LOVED THE SPLASH PAD AND.
THEY LOVE THE SPLASH PAD AND THEY LOVED THE SWING SLIDES FOR THE KIDS UNDER 12.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING CAPIROLA PARK HAS ONE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER DANIEL, DOCTOR DANIEL MADE A GOOD POINT THAT WE HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, WATERSEDGE PARK, AND WE ALSO HAVE CAPIROLA AQUATIC CENTER CLOSE BY.
SO THE THE LOGIC, YOU KNOW, WHERE PROXIMITY IS CONCERNED IS NOT IS NOT A VERY GOOD.
IT'S CALLED MONEY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS CURRENTLY 158.
TURN ME OFF. IT IS 158 AND I'M GOING TO PUT THIS INTO A CONTINUANCE.
WE HAVE A 2:00 CARD SHADE SESSION.
SO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING IS NOW IN RECESS AND WE ARE GOING.
THIS FEELS LIKE A COMMISSION MEETING.
[Shade Session]
AND, IF DEEMED APPROPRIATE, THE CITY COMMISSION TAKING ACTION REGARDING THE LITIGATION IS.IT'S MONDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH, 2023.
CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING WILL COMMENCE.
A CALL TO ORDER IN OUR OPEN MEETING.
AFTER THE ROLL CALL, WE WILL THEN GO INTO AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION IS IN PLACE.
THERE WILL ONLY BE A FEW PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN IN THE ROOM.
THAT WILL BE MYSELF, MAYOR MICHELLE GOMEZ, VICE MAYOR MARLON BOLTON COMMISSIONER.
ALVIN VILLALOBOS COMMISSIONER.
DANIEL COMMISSIONER, MAURY WRIGHT JR.
HANS NOT CITY ATTORNEY CHRIS STEARNS, ESQUIRE SPECIAL COUNSEL LEVENT SISULU, CITY MANAGER.
AT THE END OF THIS SPECIAL SESSION, WE WILL THEN REOPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ARE WE TAKING THESE OFF NOW? IT'S DONE. OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE TURN YOUR MICS OFF.
NOW THAT THIS IS ALL OVER. UP HERE.
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AS I SAID, IT WAS 317, WHICH IT STILL IS, AND WE ARE BACK TO DISCUSS THE AMENITIES AT SABAL PALM PARK OR THE INITIAL AMENITIES THAT ARE BEING GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO PUT OUT AN RFP SO WE CAN START DOING THE BUILD CONSTRUCTION THAT WE NEED TO DO, OR AT LEAST GET IT IN LINE FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP OUR MILLION DOLLAR GRANT.AND FINALLY, WORK ON A PARK THAT WE'VE BEEN PROMISING TO WORK ON FOR A LONG TIME.
I'VE DELAYED AS MUCH AS I CAN. LET'S GO WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
I THINK YOU GUYS WERE SPEAKING, SO GO FOR IT.
I THINK THE VICE MAYOR WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD.
IT'S NOT THE AMOUNT OF SPLASH PADS.
IT'S JUST THE COST OF ONE DOING THE SPLASH PAD, BUT MAINLY THE COST THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
WE SPENT OVER $40,000 THIS PAST YEAR JUST FOR REPAIR COSTS AND MAINTENANCE.
WE JUST SEE A LOT OF ISSUES, RECURRING ISSUES WITH IT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT MAYBE NOT HAVING ANOTHER SPLASH PAD.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S THEIR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.
YOU KNOW, YOU YOU BUILD SOMETHING, YOU EXPECT TO MAINTAIN IT.
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S THE PRICE OF DOING BUSINESS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOT JUST THAT COMMUNITY, BUT THE ENTIRE AREA.
YOU KNOW, AND AS WE GROW YOUNGER, WE WE SEE THE NEED FOR ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IT TAKES THE BURDEN OFF OF CAPPARELLA PARK.
IT TAKES THE BURDEN OFF OF WATERSEDGE PARK, YOU KNOW, I THINK.
YOU KNOW, A FACILITY IN THE MIDDLE WITH WITH A SPLASH PAD IS IMPORTANT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR RIGHT NOW? NO. OKAY. UM, AS MUCH AS I CAN UNDERSTAND, WE WANT SOMETIMES.
I FEEL THAT IF OUR CITY STAFF IS SAYING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVING WITH THE.
SPLASH PADS THAT WE'RE HAVING.
OUR WATER'S EDGE PARK HAS BEEN DOWN FOR MANY MONTHS.
WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GONE WRONG THERE WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE? WHY IS IT HAVING SO MANY ISSUES? I AM LOOKING HOPING THAT SINCE WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PRODUCT OVER AT CAPORELLA.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME ISSUES.
EVERYBODY KNOWS I LOVE THE WATER PARKS.
I GO IN FULLY DRESSED AND HAVE A GREAT TIME AND THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO BE A KID AGAIN.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SPLASH PAD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AT TAMARAC VILLAGE.
I HAVE JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ADDING THE SPLASH PAD HERE.
IF WE'RE BEING WARNED ABOUT SOME OF THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT, THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD BE AN AMENITY THAT WE HAVE AS A COLUMN A, COLUMN B, COLUMN C, AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH HERE FOR WHAT YOU NEED TO DO? I DON'T SEE ON THE WALKING TRAILS.
OR IS THAT NOT ON THERE? THE FITNESS AREA IS THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS OF FITNESS AREAS HERE.
ONE IS ALONG THE TRAIL AND ONE IS A SPECIFIC COVERED FITNESS STATION AREA.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT BOTH ITEMS. LET THE COMMISSION CHOOSE WHICH THEY PREFER.
AND MELISSA CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I THINK THERE WAS A STUDY THAT HAD RECOMMENDATIONS AND THOSE WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS CAME FROM.
RIGHT? YEAH, MAINLY IT WAS THE FITNESS AREA, BUT IT DIDN'T SPECIFY.
SO AS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT VARIOUS SINGLE STATIONS ALONG THE PATHWAY AT $8,400 EACH, OR ONE BIG COVERED FITNESS STATION FOR THE TUNE OF $120,000.
YEAH, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THE SINGLE STATION.
IT'S GOT LIKE TEN PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN THE LAST FEW PARKS.
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WHAT DID WE JUST DO AT CAPELLA? THERE'S A FITNESS COVERED STATION.IT'S ONE STATION WITH, I THINK, TEN PIECES OF EQUIPMENT ON IT.
AND THAT'S THE SAME THING WE DID AT WATER'S EDGE PARK.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE.
AND MAINLANDS FOR THAT MATTER.
COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M IN SUPPORT OF A SPLASH PAD AS WELL.
THERE IS A SPLASH PAD AT TAMARAC VILLAGE AND I SAW SOME KIDS ACTUALLY PLAYING THERE YESTERDAY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY EXPENSIVE, CAN YOU KIND OF QUANTIFY IT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT COSTS IN TERMS OF THE WATER.
WHEN YOU SAY IT'S EXPENSIVE IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE, CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION? ARE THE COST OF THE PRODUCT ITSELF ESPECIALLY THE ONE AT WATER'S EDGE? THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES BREAKING, SO YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE REPAIRS.
THERE'S BEEN SOME COSTS WITH THE IRRIGATION PUMPS OR SOMETHING.
WAS IT THE PIPES UNDER THE GROUND? YEAH. THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE WITH THE PUMPS, THE SUPPLY PUMPS FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES WITH SPLASH PADS.
YOU HAVE THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S ALWAYS MOVING.
YOU HAVE THE PUMPS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY GOING OFF AND ON.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR INVOLVED WITH SPLASH PADS.
SO JUST BY THE NATURE OF THE DESIGN AND THE NATURE OF THE EQUIPMENT, IT'S A HIGH MAINTENANCE ITEM.
BUT LIKE THE VICE MAYOR MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE PAYING THEIR TAXES.
YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.
AND I THINK A SPLASH PAD IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DEFINITELY ENJOY, SORT OF THAT.
CAPPARELLA I SAW IT YESTERDAY AT TAMARAC VILLAGE.
YOU KNOW, THREE LITTLE GIRLS WERE THERE JUST ENJOYING THE SPLASH PAD.
SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S INDIVIDUAL TO A COMMUNITY.
I DON'T THINK SOMEONE IS GOING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO CAPPARELLA JUST TO GO TO THE SPLASH PAD.
WE SHOULD FIND A WAY TO INCLUDE A SPLASH PAD AS WELL.
IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT JUST BEFORE I TRANSFERRED OVER.
SORRY, COMMISSIONER, BUT I DON'T.
ARE THEY PLAYING IN WATER OR ARE THEY JUST PLAYING ON THE DRY GROUND? THEY'RE PLAYING IN THE SPLASH PAD LIKE YOU AND I PLAYED IN THE SPLASH PAD AT CAFFARELLA PARK.
TAMARAC VILLAGE SPLASH PAD IS OPEN.
YEAH. CAMMACK VILLAGE, SPLASHPAD.
AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF CURIOUS FACES HERE.
SO MAYBE THE COMMISSIONER DID A COMMEMORATION EVENT AND DIDN'T INVITE US? NO, NOT AT ALL, NOT AT ALL, NOT AT ALL, NOT AT ALL.
NOPE, I DIDN'T I, I SAW TWO LITTLE GIRLS PLAYING THERE YESTERDAY AND YEP, ON IT.
OKAY, IT'S NOT READY FOR GRAND OPENING YET.
SO IT'S NOT READY FOR GRAND OPENING YET, BUT IT'S SAFE ENOUGH FOR KIDS TO BE PLAYING ON IT NOW.
YEAH, BUT SOME OF THE BIGGEST KIDS ARE IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU DIDN'T LET US DO A SOFT OPENING.
OKAY. JUST JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
I CAN'T TELL ANYMORE AS YOU TURNED OVER.
YOURS IS NEW, COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
UM, QUESTION IF THE EQUIPMENT AT EDGEWATER IS NOT THE ONES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING IN THE LAST PART THAT OPENED, WOULDN'T THE COST BE LESS TO MAINTAIN IT? WELL, WE'RE HOPING TO SEE WE WON'T HAVE THOSE SAME ISSUES WITH THIS PRODUCT.
BUT WE CHOSE IT BECAUSE IT WAS A BETTER PRODUCT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE PROBABLY WERE.
UM, JUST WITH MY YOUNG KIDS AND THAT SUMMER HEAT.
NOT EVEN SUMMER. THE HEAT HERE IS RIDICULOUS.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING THEY'LL RUN TO WHEN THEY'RE AT THE PARK IF IT'S AVAILABLE.
BECAUSE EVEN AT EDGEWATER, WE WERE THERE ONCE AND IT WAS SO HOT.
AND THE WATER PARK PART, IT WAS TOO CROWDED.
YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET IN BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS THERE.
UM, I WONDER IF WE COULD LOOK INTO HOW WE COULD MAKE IT WHERE IT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, BUT IF PEOPLE ARE USING IT AS MUCH AS THEY DO, THAT MEANS THE NEED IS THERE, WHICH CAUSES THE WEAR AND TEAR.
YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY IS ALWAYS ADVANCING AND WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THAT.
SO AS TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES AND PRODUCTS ARE IMPROVED, YOU KNOW, THINGS WILL GET A LITTLE BETTER.
AND THEN QUESTION BECAUSE I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY GO BACK.
IT WILL GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT IF AND I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE.
WHAT IF WE MADE THAT A TRACK AND FIELD AREA.
JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE TO THE WINDS BECAUSE I KNOW WE WANT THAT TRACK PROGRAM.
WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM THERE FOR SEVEN ACRES, NOT TRACK.
FORGIVE ME IF I'M WRONG. ISN'T IT LIKE A QUARTER OF A MILE? 400M? AROUND 400M? THAT CAN'T. NO, I'M JUST LOOKING.
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LOOK AT VICE MAYOR'S FACE.THIS IS ON HIS SAID NO TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
WHY NO TO THIS? BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL.
THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL SPACE PARK.
BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE CERTAIN OTHER AMENITIES THE WAY YOU WOULD PLACE IT.
YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PLACE IT ON A DIAGONAL, MR. ENGINEER. SO I'VE DONE A LOT OF TRACK AND FIELD DESIGNS IN THE PAST, AND WE CAN POSSIBLY FIT IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO KILL HALF OF THE AMENITIES HERE, MORE THAN HALF OF THE AMENITIES. YOU CAN'T PUT MOTEL, YOU CAN'T PUT SPLASH PADS, YOU CAN'T PUT THE FITNESS STATIONS, YOU CAN'T PUT THE BASKETBALL BASKETBALL COURT, YOU CAN'T PUT THE DOG PARK.
YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THE BASKETBALL COURT.
DOG BARKING. I'M JUST SAYING, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT DONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AND IT TAKES 80% OF THE PROPERTY.
THE SOCCER FIELD. WHY CAN'T WHY DOESN'T THAT CONVERT TO LIKE, AN AMERICAN FOOTBALL FIELD? IT IS. IT IS. OKAY, I'M GOING TO SEE THAT PICTURE.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THE A COVERED PICNIC AREA IS VERY MUCH NEEDED, BUT THAT LITTLE BLUE THING IS TOO SMALL.
BUT PARALLEL PARKS IN PARALLEL.
SO THE SIZE THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS AT CAPRAROLA PARK.
THE COVERING OVER THE FITNESS AREA THAT WOULD BE BIGGER THAN THE PICNIC AREA.
RIGHT. SO I'M THINKING THE SIZE OF WHAT IS AT CAPITOLA PARK THAT COVERS THE FITNESS AREA BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE THAT THEY CAN ALSO HAVE GATHERING GATHERINGS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST A LITTLE PICNIC AREA FOR A SMALL BIRTHDAY PARTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO RENT IT OUT FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, THAT CAPACITY.
THIS ONE HERE IS 36FT IN DIAMETER.
SO IF I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND TO HAVE MULTIPLE ONES RATHER THAN A MUCH LARGER ONE.
SO THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE GROUPS RENT THESE OUT.
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AT SUNSET POINT FOUR.
BUT IF WE HAVE A LARGE ONE, WE CAN ALSO HAVE CITY EVENTS THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE LIKE A BIGGER AREA WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE CAN, CAN GATHER IN A BIGGER SPOT.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU MAYOR.
I WANTED TO JUMP INTO THAT BECAUSE I CIRCLED ONE PAVILION.
ARE WE RENTING IT OUT OR JUST COMES? COME FIRST. COME FIRST SERVE.
I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD RENT IT OUT LIKE THE REST OF OUR PARKS.
OKAY, SO DEFINITELY MORE THAN ONE.
I MEAN, I REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF THE PARK.
I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
IT'S JUST DOING SOMETHING TO ME.
WAS THIS BUDGETED? YES. TAMARAC VILLAGE.
THE VILLAGE WAS. AND CAFFARELLA PARK WAS.
WAS OR NOT. SO NONE OF THESE PARKS.
ALL THREE OF THOSE PARKS WERE THE FEASIBILITY FIVE-YEAR CIP BUDGET GOT MODIFIED.
YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT. I THINK THE QUESTION IS, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME WERE THE BUDGETS MOVED AROUND TO ACCOMMODATE THESE CHANGES IN THESE PARKS? AND WHAT PARK OR PARKS MAY HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM AN EARLIER POINT IN TIME TO BE? WORKED ON, WHETHER IT'S WOODGLEN, WHETHER IT'S MPC, OTHER PARKS THAT WERE FIRST IN LINE BEFORE THEY GOT CHANGED IN PLACE IN THE PARK.
WHY CAN IT JUST BE A PASSIVE PARK? JUST. I MEAN, IF IT'S GOING TO BE DIRECTLY, IF IT'S JUST GOING TO IMPACT A VERY SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE.
UH. WHY NOT HAVE A SMALLER PARK? WHY HAVE SUCH A LARGE PARK IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S VERY PRIVATE? JUST A QUESTION. IT'S THE CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE, RIGHT?
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I'M SO SORRY.BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $4.5 MILLION PLUS MAINTENANCE PLUS THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
HE SAID EIGHT BUT I WAS TRYING TO BE WRITTEN DOWN FOR NINE.
I KNOW. I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE, CONSIDERING THAT WE STILL HAVE NOT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE $1 MILLION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE MALL WHEN THEY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, BUY ONE AND YOU GET AN ADDITIONAL ONE FOR 50% OFF, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO A STORE AND THEN YOU END UP BUYING MORE, AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M SAVING $10, BUT I'M SPENDING ANOTHER $30.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE'RE STILL NOT WE'RE STILL NOT OVER SHAKER VILLAGE.
UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS SHOULDN'T GO THROUGH ANYWAYS.
BUT IF IF IT DOES, AND I DON'T SEE WHY IT WOULD.
IT'S LIKE WE'RE PLAYING WITH PARKS HERE.
BECAUSE NOW THIS MAY NOT GO THROUGH.
SO NOW LET'S GO TO PLAN B RIGHT.
WE JUST SPENT A TON OF MONEY AT THE GRAND OPENING CAPPARELLA PARK.
THE SPLASH PAD PARK THAT'S NOT EVEN OPEN RIGHT NOW.
IT'S LITERALLY CLOSED UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH INTO AND THE ENDING OF NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE WE HAVE ISSUES IN THAT PARK AND WE WANT TO OPEN MORE PARKS. SO WE JUST KEEP ADDING AND ADDING AND ADDING AND BUILDING AND BUILDING AND BUILDING WHILE WE HAVE ISSUES IN ONE PLACE.
I JUST. THIS WHOLE THING DOESN'T LIKE THE PUZZLES OR NOT OR NOT SQUARING OFF HERE.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WHEN WE HAVE PARKING DISTRICT FOR.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A PARKING DISTRICT TOO.
AND THEN WE WANT TO ADD A POSSIBLE THIRD ONE AND NOW A POSSIBLE FOURTH ONE.
AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE RETURN ON THE ONE WE JUST DID A GRAND OPENING ON.
SO. AGAIN, IT IS VERY CENTRIC TO SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES WHERE IT'S REALLY NOT FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S NOT. AND WE TALK ABOUT OH, EAST AND WEST THING AND DO EVERYTHING ON THAT SIDE, BUT WHO'S REALLY GOING TO GO? WHO'S GOING TO REALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS PARK.
EXCEPT PROBABLY NEIGHBORING CITIES WHICH NO PROBLEM.
OKAY, COOL. BUT WE START FENCING IT.
AND WE'RE ADDING A TON OF AMENITIES AND I'M GOING TO KILL IT FROM THERE BECAUSE.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, FROM SHAKER VILLAGE TO SABAL PALM IS 5000FT.
THE 13TH PARK IS ACTUALLY SABAL PALM PARK, AS I CALL IT.
CENTRAL PARK. CENTRAL PARK'S PARK.
CENTRAL PARK'S PARK HAS BEEN SOMETHING ON THE RECORD FOR YEARS.
IT WAS PRE ME HERE, SO THAT MEANS A LONG TIME BECAUSE I'M JUST FINISHED IT.
13 YEARS, NOT 12 PLUS ON THE DAIS A LONG TIME.
SO. THAT PARK HAD BEEN PROMISED TO THE COMMUNITY THAT IT SERVES, WHICH IS MANOR PARK, CENTRAL PARK AND ANY SURROUNDING AREA.
DO NOT MIND IT BEING SEMI ACTIVATED, BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT LOUD.
THEY DID NOT WANT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THIS PARK IS RIGHT NEXT TO HOMES WHICH IS ALREADY RIGHT NEXT TO.
COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? THERE ARE PEOPLE TO THE BACK END WHO HAVE BEEN VERY UPSET WITH THE NOISE THAT COMES OFF THE TURNPIKE.
AND. SOME OF THEM HAVE MOVED BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN UNHAPPY WITH THAT.
THEY WANT A PARK WHERE PEOPLE CAN PLAY, THEIR KIDS CAN PLAY, THEY CAN PLAY, THEY CAN EXERCISE.
THEY WERE SPECIFIC ABOUT A SOFT GROUND SCAPE, MULTI PURPOSE GROUND SCAPE.
THEY WERE THEY WANTED A PLAYGROUND.
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THEY WANTED SOMETHING FUN.BUT THEY WERE NOT ALL IN AGREEMENT OF.
ANYTHING THAT WOULD ATTRACT MORE.
BIG PARTIES THERE, INDIVIDUAL PAVILIONS SO THEY CAN RENT OUT AND THEY CAN ENJOY.
YES, BUT NOT FOR IT TO BE PROGRAMED WHERE WE WOULD COME IN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE CONCERTS THERE.
SO. IT FEELS LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT MAYBE ALL OF US HAVE NOT BEEN A PART OF.
I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER BEING ON A TEAMS MEETING IN 2023 REGARDING THIS.
I'D LIKE TO THINK I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD MEMORY, BUT.
WITH SAYING HARD YESES FOR A SPLASH PAD OR HARD NO.
I GET WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING AND THE MAINTENANCE OF IT.
OUR TAX BILL BRINGS IN ABOUT $38 MILLION.
OTHER TAXES COME IN AND PAY THINGS AS WELL.
SO JUST KEEPING THINGS IN MIND, WE NEED TO BE.
THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED WHEN THEY GET A PARK, RIGHT? THE.
GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT THE COVER FITNESS STATION AREA.
HOW MANY PIECES OF EQUIPMENT DID YOU SAY ARE THERE? TEN IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS WE BUILT.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO DO TEN PIECES.
ALONG THE TRAIL. SO THE TEN PIECES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER WERE IN ONE ONE COVERED SHELTER SIMILAR TO CAPRELLA AND. AND MAINLAND'S PARK AND WATER'S EDGE AND SOUTH GATE LINEAR PARK.
MAINLAND'S HAS IT GOING ALONG THEIR TRAIL AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, I THINK I'D HAVE A FEW LITTLE THINGS WITH THE MAIN AREAS UNDER THE ONE SHADE STRUCTURE.
WHAT DO WE FIND AS WE MAINTAIN THE EQUIPMENT IS BEING UTILIZED MORE? THE UNDER CANOPY OR THE DIFFERENT LITTLE PIECES? OR CAN WE NOT TELL? I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TELL.
THE PARK. YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT THE CITY WOULD CONTROL THE RENTALS OF THE PAVILION.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AS YOU KNOW, I THINK IS PRETTY GOOD.
WE ARE WAY AHEAD OF THE 2020 2045 PROJECTED.
ACREAGE WHICH REQUIRES TWO POINT.
212.4 ACRES, ACCORDING TO THE BROWARD COUNTY LAND USE PLAN.
COMMUNITY PARK ACREAGE OF THREE ACRES PER 1000.
PLUS, BROWARD COUNTY IS DISCUSSING MAKING GOLF COURSES, WHETHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, BEING ABLE TO INCLUDE UP TO 50% INTO THEIR ACCOUNTING FOR ACREAGE.
SO THE CITY OF TAMARAC IS VERY WELL POPULATED WITH GREEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE PER ACRES, AND OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR FUTURE RESIDENTS TO BE SO.
IF IN THIS PROCESS WE JUST SAY TO GO AHEAD WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.
HERE. BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THEM SAYING THAT THEY WANTED A BATHROOM FACILITY.
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
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MAYBE AGAIN, IT WAS.MAYBE IT WAS AT A LATER CONVERSATION THAT I WASN'T A PART OF.
IF WE LEAVE IT LIKE THIS, WE GO OUT FOR BID.
WE GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED.
WE'RE HAVING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AFTERWARDS, CORRECT.
IF WE NEED TO MODIFY THIS OR THIS IS OUR END, ALL BE ALL DONE.
SO THE DEVELOPERS OR THE DESIGN BUILD TEAMS CAN PRICE IT OUT APPROPRIATELY.
DECIDE WHAT THE ELEMENTS ARE AFTER THE FACT.
YOU HAD THREE DESIGNS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THERE WAS ONE THAT STOOD OUT.
IT HAD THE DOG PARK, IT HAD CERTAIN FEATURES.
IT WAS PART OF THE PARK'S PLAN.
YOU HAVE. A SITUATION IS THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION MEETINGS WITH THIS PARK, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE ON WHAT WHAT'S GOING INTO PARK AND WHAT'S NOT GOING INTO THE PARK.
I VIVIDLY REMEMBER THE ONE IN THE PARK IN 2020.
I DON'T RECALL A TEAMS MEETING IN 2023.
AND I REMEMBER THE ONE THAT SABAL PALM COMMUNITY POOL.
I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING CERTAIN THINGS DON'T FEEL CURRENT.
IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF VOLLEYING BACK AND FORTH.
THAT'S NOT IT. YOU DON'T HAVE THIS ONE, DO YOU? YEAH, YEAH. GO! IT'S NOT A WASTE OF TIME, VICE MAYOR.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE HAVE.
THIS WOULD BE IN THE PLAN OF WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARK STUDY, THIS EAST SIDE PARK STUDY.
WE HAVE ANOTHER LONG ITEM I KNOW.
SO TABLE THIS AND CAN WE? BUT CAN WE? I MEAN I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO.
SO WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE DO THIS.
WE BRING BACK A CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO THE COMMISSION, MAYBE START AT, YOU KNOW, AT THAT LEVEL AND THEN CONTINUE WITH THAT. SO IF WE HAVE TO SET A SPECIAL WORKSHOP, MAYBE WE DO THAT OR, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT UP BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE LAST WORKSHOP BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
RIGHT? SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN WE CAN PREPARE AS MUCH OF THE RFP AS WE CAN AND THEN JUST BRING YOU A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND THAT COULD BE THE STARTING POINT TO FINALIZE THE ELEMENTS.
OR MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN CALL ONE LAST URGENT MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN GET AN UP TO DATE COMMUNITY CONSENSUS ON IT, BECAUSE SOME OF IT I'M JUST HEARING CONFLICT.
AND THEN WE'RE NOT GETTING A FULL PICTURE.
AND THEN SOME PEOPLE LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY.
AND SOME PEOPLE WILL FOR THE FOR THE RECORD, MAYOR, I'VE NOT HAD ANY MEETINGS, PRIVATE OR PUBLIC, WITH ANYONE IN CENTRAL PARK OTHER THAN THE MEETINGS THAT WE WENT TO AS A CITY COMMISSION.
THEY COULD BE CALLING YOU SEPARATELY AT TIMES.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE HOSTING MEETINGS.
I'M SAYING THAT COMMUNICATING WITH YOU, THEY CAN COMMUNICATE WITH YOU.
YOU'RE THE COMMISSIONER, BUT THEY MAY NOT KNOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH US, TOO.
THAT YOU ALSO WANTED HIM TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU AS WELL, PRIVATELY AT AN EVENT.
SO I JUST LET'S NOT THE RECORD.
I SAID IT ON THE RECORD EARLIER.
I WAS AT AN EVENT SATURDAY NIGHT WITH HIM AND HIS WIFE.
THEY WERE THERE AND I SAID, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR UP TO DATE WISHES.
YOU CAN GET IT TO THE COMMISSION.
SO BECAUSE POSSIBLY THERE'S A REASON FOR IT ANYWAY.
THAT'S NOT THE FACT OF THE MATTER.
IS THIS COMMISSION AS A WHOLE, WE HAVE TWO NEW PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION.
THEY WERE NOT AT ANY OF THESE MEETINGS.
SO IF THERE'S US BEING ASKED TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, SHOULDN'T WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SENSE OF AN UP TO DATE, UP TO DATE CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY WITH.
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SO ANYWAY, GET HIM STAPLED.CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, IS IT POSSIBLY TO DO A SURVEY? BECAUSE SOMETIMES AT THESE MEETINGS, PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP, EVERYONE DOESN'T SHOW UP.
AND I HATE TO CONSTANTLY GET THE VOICE OF FIVE PEOPLE.
TEN PEOPLE, WHEN THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAD IMPACTS.
ANYWAY, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE SOMETHING GOES OUT? WELL, WE DID THESE SURVEYS BACK WHEN WE DID THE.
OKAY. YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATED.
IT WASN'T ONLY FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
IT WAS DURING A TIME WHEN THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF BUY IN.
SO I'M NOT BASING OUR DECISIONS ON 20 PEOPLE WHO DECIDED TO PARTICIPATE.
THE NEWER PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING HERE, NEW COMMISSIONS HERE.
WE ARE NOW MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO WOODLANDS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BEING PRESENTED BY MAXINE CALLOWAY.
[1.f Woodlands Development Agreement]
OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.ALL RIGHT. FOR THE RECORD, MAXINE CALLOWAY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON IS A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT'S CONTAINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I'LL START WITH THE BACKGROUND, AND THEN I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH EACH PARAGRAPH AND THE VARIOUS OBLIGATIONS OR PROFFERS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INCLUDES THAT ARE BEING MADE BY THE DEVELOPER.
SO TO BEGIN WITH, JUST SOME BACKGROUND ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AS YOU KNOW, THE ITEM WAS WORKSHOPPED AT THE MARCH 28TH, 2023 MEETING AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WENT FOR FIRST READING AT THE MARCH 22ND, 2023 MEETING, AT WHICH TIME THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED ON FIRST READING.
AS YOU RECALL, ON THAT AGENDA WAS ALSO THE SECOND READING FOR THE REZONING, AS WELL AS THE SECOND READING FOR THE LAND USE AMENDMENT, WHICH WERE BOTH ALSO APPROVED IN PREPARATION FOR THE SECOND READING, WHICH IS ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA.
THE APPLICANT NOTICED MAILED TO ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS LESS THAN 3000 OR SO 2973 MAIL WAS WHEN WENT OUT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS THAT YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING ON WEDNESDAY.
SO I'LL GO THROUGH EACH PARAGRAPH AS WELL AS THE EXHIBIT IN YOUR PACKET.
SO EXHIBIT B IS ASSOCIATED WITH PARAGRAPH FOUR.
THAT SPEAKS TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S 275 ACRES IN TOTAL.
THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
ONLY PLUS OR -165 ACRES WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH NO MORE THAN 335 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AT AN OVERALL DENSITY OF 2.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE AGREEMENT ALSO INCLUDES A NEW CLUBHOUSE AND AMENITY CAMPUS, SOME INCIDENTAL USES TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTIAL, AND THE CLUBHOUSE, WHICH IS SALES, LEASE AND OFFICE, MARKET AND CONSTRUCTION OFFICE, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, AND THEN A MINIMUM OF 160 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE IS INCLUDED, AND OTHER USES THAT ARE CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROPERTY'S LAND USE AND ZONING DESIGNATION.
FURTHER IN EXHIBIT G, IT SPEAKS TO A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, SO THE PROPERTY TO 335 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS ARE RESTRICTED BY A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, WHICH IS EXHIBIT G IN YOUR PACKET, AND THAT IS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AND TO SECTIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.
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EXHIBIT C, WHICH IS PARAGRAPH FIVE, SPEAKS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF STANDARDS.SO PODS A, B, C, D, E, F, AND H ARE ALL GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS NOT TO EXCEED 30FT IN HEIGHT. POD G, WHICH IS YOUR LARGEST POD THAT HAS 139 UNITS? THAT WILL BE THE ONLY PART THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE OR WILL ACCOMMODATE TWO STORIES, BUT THAT IS ALSO RESTRICTED TO 30FT IN HEIGHT.
POD SIX A PARAGRAPH SIX THE RECREATION POD IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT IS, YOUR EXHIBIT D ON THE SLIDE IS LISTED ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WILL BE IN THE RECREATION POD.
SINCE THE FIRST READING, WE HAVE ADDED THE INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE PAD AND A CONDUIT FOR THE CITY'S INSTALLATION OF AN ELECTRONIC INTERACTIVE INFORMATION KIOSK. AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT CITY INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
I JUST WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
IT WAS SUBMITTED OCTOBER 6TH, AND WE HAVE A PROJECTED PLANNING BOARD MEETING FOR THAT SITE PLAN FOR JANUARY, AND THEN A CITY COMMISSION MEETING FOR SHORTLY THEREAFTER ON FEBRUARY. PARAGRAPH SEVEN, WHICH IS EXHIBIT P, SPEAKS TO THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
AND THOSE APPLICATIONS INCLUDE THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT, THE REZONING, THE SITE PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING THE SITE PLAN FOR THE RECREATION POD. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE LAND USE AMENDMENT THAT YOU WILL SEE ON YOUR AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS IN RESPONSE TO THE COUNTY CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WHERE FURTHER RESTRICTION ON 110 ACRES OF THE 160 ACRE OPEN SPACE WILL BE FURTHER RESTRICTED TO JUST RECREATION. CURRENTLY, IT'S A LAND USE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL RECREATION WHICH ALLOWS HOTELS AND MOTELS.
THE COUNTY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL RESTRICTION, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE A LAND USE AMENDMENT ON YOUR AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY THAT WILL RESTRICT 110 OF THOSE 168 CARS TO JUST RECREATION, 0 TO 3 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH MEANS THAT IT'S JUST PASSIVE GOLF COURSE TYPE USES NO HOTEL, NO MOTEL.
SO THAT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL RESTRICTION ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA.
PARAGRAPH EIGHT IS JUST YOUR OPEN SPACE.
ONCE AGAIN, A MINIMUM OF 160 ACRES AND 110 OF WHICH WILL BE FURTHER RESTRICTED.
PARAGRAPH NINE OR SECTION NINE SPEAKS TO THE DEVELOPER CREATING A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
IN FACT, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS THE RIGHT TO CREATE A CD.
WHAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY IS THE CREATION OF A NEW CD, THE RESERVE AT WOODLANDS, WHICH HAS A CONDITION THAT WILL CHANGE THAT NAME TO SECTION NINE WOODLAND.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
BUT THAT IS IN PARAGRAPH NINE WHERE IT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER WITH THE RIGHT TO CREATE THE CD, AND THAT IS ON YOUR AGENDA AS TEMPORARY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2545 FOR WEDNESDAY.
PARAGRAPH TEN INCLUDES RECREATION TRAIL.
IT SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE TRAILS THAT WILL BE PROVIDED, THE TYPE OF SEATING, WORKSTATION, LIGHTING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED AS WELL, AND THAT SECTION NINE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE RECREATION TRAIL ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
PARAGRAPH 11 SPEAKS TO PARKING SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S NEW AND IT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE FIRST READING IS A MINIMUM OF 60 ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING SPACES THAT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED THROUGHOUT SECTION NINE, IN ADDITION TO THOSE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED AS A PART, A PART OF EACH HOME.
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SO THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL SIX 60 HOMES.WE ALSO HAVE LANGUAGE THAT EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS THE PARKING OF VEHICLES OR STAGING OR CONSTRUCTION ON ANY VISITORS FROM SECTION NINE ON PROPERTY OWNED BY THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY.
PARAGRAPH 12 SPEAKS TO SIGNAGE DURING AND AFTER CONSTRUCTION.
THERE'S GOING TO BE THE NEED FOR CERTAIN TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.
AND SO IT SPEAKS TO THE DEVELOPER HAVING THE ABILITY TO INSTALL THOSE SIGNAGE AS WELL.
UH, GOING INTO SOME OF THE OBLIGATIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER, PARAGRAPH 14 ONE AND 14 TWO SPEAKS TO THE DEVELOPER PROVIDING AND WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO PROVIDE A SAFE PICKUP AND DROP OFF LOCATIONS FOR STUDENTS RESIDING WITHIN THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY.
A NEW ADDITION IS IN 14.2, WHERE THE DEVELOPER WILL BE INSTALLING NO MORE THAN THREE ELECTRONIC BANNERS ON STREETLIGHT POLES LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY AND LEASED FROM FPL, AND THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO INSTALL THE CONDUIT PROVIDING THE NECESSARY ELECTRICITY TO THE AGREED UPON AND APPROVED LIGHT POLES FOR THE CITY TO INSTALL.
AND THIS IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THE CITY MESSAGE.
THE DEVELOPER FURTHER AGREES TO MILL AND RESURFACE PORTIONS OF THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY STREET NETWORK THAT ARE WITHIN 100FT OF CERTAIN INTERSECTION SHARED BY THE PROJECT, OR AS IDENTIFIED AND APPROVED BY THE SITE PLAN.
THOSE INTERSECTIONS ARE LISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
PARAGRAPH 15 RELATES TO THE ENTRANCE RENOVATIONS AND DIRECTLY TIES TO EXHIBIT K AND EXHIBIT I THAT SHOWS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS THE ENTRANCE RENOVATION.
DEVELOPER SHALL COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND UPGRADE TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY, LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF WOODLANDS BOULEVARD AND COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
PRIOR TO OR CONCURRENT WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST VERTICAL BUILDING PERMIT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE DEVELOPER WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE MAIN GATE WILL BE CENSORED WITH, WHICH WILL INCLUDE LICENSE PLATE READERS FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY, AND WILL NOT PROHIBIT ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE MAIN GATE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT'S INCLUDED IS THAT THE DEVELOPER MIGHT INCLUDE CERTAIN ART COMPONENT AS A PART OF THE ENTRANCE FEATURE, AND THAT ART COMPONENT WOULD BE USED TO FULFILL THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER.
SHOULD THE DEVELOPER DECIDE TO DO THAT? RIGHT, GUYS? 16 PROJECT BUFFERS AND LAYOUTS, WHICH IS YOUR EXHIBIT M SHOWS THE DIFFERENT KIND OF BUFFER IN THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IN THIS PROVISION IS WHAT WE HAVE.
CERTAIN LAKES THAT ARE ABUTTING THE CITY WATER WAY WILL BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY.
AND SO UP UNTIL THE TIME THIS AGREEMENT WAS UPLOADED, WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING THAT COST THAT SECTION NINE WOULD REIMBURSE THE CITY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THOSE NEW WATERWAY.
WE'RE UNABLE TO ARRIVE AT AN AGREED UPON COST.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A BLANK THAT SAYS.
SECTION NINE SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE, THROUGH A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT TO REIMBURSE THE CITY AT A COST OF BLANK ANNUALLY, AT A RATE NEGOTIATED AND DETERMINED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING CERTAIN BIDS OR QUOTES SPECIFICALLY TO SEE THE COST TO MAINTAIN THOSE WATERWAYS, SO WE'RE ABLE TO PLUG THAT NUMBER IN. EXHIBIT M SHOWS THE DIFFERENT BUFFERS SURROUNDING THE PROJECT.
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H. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO CONTRIBUTE $344,560 AT $472 PER LINEAR FOOT FOR TO CONSTRUCT A BUFFER WALL IMPROVEMENT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITHIN THE MAINLAND.AN ADDITIONAL $472 FOR AN ADDITIONAL 500FT LINEAR FOOT OF BUFFER WALL FOR THE NORTH SIDE OF COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, WEST OF ROCK ISLAND ROAD, EXCLUDING ANY RIGHT OF WAY CONNECTION POINTS USED FOR VEHICLE INGRESS AND EGRESS.
PARAGRAPH 17 SPEAKS TO THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THAT'S FOR EXHIBIT AN SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO THE CONTRIBUTION THAT THE DEVELOPER IS PAYING $114,964 TO THE CITY AS A PASS THROUGH THIS MORNING.
FDOT MADE A PRESENTATION TO YOU REGARDING THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY PLAN ON MAKING NEXT YEAR.
IT'S REALLY AS A RESULT OF THE FDOT COMMENT THAT CAME AS A PART OF THE LAND USE AMENDMENT THAT WAS TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE, WHERE WE KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO FDOT HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THE DEVELOPER PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.
HOWEVER, FDOT DOES NOT CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH THE DEVELOPER.
THEY CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY, AND SO THE PASS THROUGH OF THIS ONE, 4964, WOULD BE PAID UPON THE ADOPTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO THE CITY TO THEN BE PAID TO FDOT AS OUR CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE IMPACTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
PARAGRAPH 18, WHICH IS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, SPEAKS TO $178,000 CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY, WHICH WILL EQUATE TO $200 PER EXISTING HOME TO TO THE CITY FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT FUND FOR ASSISTANCE IN CLEANING ON AND OR MAINTAINING EXISTING HOMES AND VEHICLES WITHIN THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY.
PARAGRAPH 19 IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT HAS OUR STANDARD $2,000 PER RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT TO BE PAID TO THE CITY PER BUILDING PERMIT, ON A PER BUILDING PERMIT BASIS, A TOTAL AGGREGATE OF $670,000, AND THAT IS USED TOWARDS THE CITY'S DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
THERE'S ANOTHER $120,000 CONTRIBUTION TO BE PAID TO THE CITY'S RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND THIS ALLOCATION IS FOR RESIDENTS RESIDING NORTH OF COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND SOUTH OF BAILEY ROAD, EAST OF NORTHWEST 64TH AVENUE, AND WEST OF ROCK ISLAND ROAD.
ALONG THOSE RESIDING ALONG WITH THOSE RESIDING IN THE SUN VISTA GARDEN COMMUNITY.
PARAGRAPH 20 SPEAKS OF THE WOODLANDS OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH WE KNOW SUNSET IN 2025.
THIS PROVISION REQUIRES A DEVELOPER BY JANUARY OF 2025 TO COME UP WITH THE STRUCTURE BY WHICH SECTION NINE WILL FUND A CODE OFFICER FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF THOSE OVERLAY STANDARDS.
AND THAT SHOULD BE BY JANUARY 2025.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTING $250,000 TOWARDS THE CITY'S IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE MASTER PLAN, AND YOU CAN SEE PAYMENT TO BE MADE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION PERIOD.
PARAGRAPH 21 B SPEAKS TO $750,000 CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY.
ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS INCLUDES $925,000 DIRECT PAYMENTS TO THE HOA AS LISTED ON YOUR SCREEN.
PARAGRAPH 21 INCLUDES AN ADDITIONAL $250,000 DIRECT PAYMENT TO THE CHARITIES.
THIS IS EIGHT TOTAL CHARITIES AS LISTED ON YOUR SCREEN AND IN THAT SLIDE.
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READERS SOME OF WHICH I SPOKE ABOUT THAT WILL BE AT THE VERY ENTRANCE.AND FINALLY, AS IT RELATES TO ALL THE OBLIGATIONS AND PAYMENTS THAT ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THIS IS THE PROVISION THAT GOVERNS WHEN IT'S PAID, UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED HERE IN ALL PAYMENTS SHALL BE MADE TO THE CITY WITHIN 30 DAYS FOLLOWING EXPIRATION OF THE APPEAL PERIOD FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE LAND USE AMENDMENT, THE REZONING.
AND THAT COVERS ALL THE APPLICATIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER RIGHT, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I'M JUMPING YOUR GUN HERE.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY THE DISTRICT TWO REPRESENTATIVE, BUT AS THE FORMER DISTRICT TWO REPRESENTATIVE AND CLOSER AND THE MAYOR OF THE CITY AND A RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY, I'M GOING IN.
BEFORE WE PROCEED ON, I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE CAPTAIN COOPER A HEADS UP.
I'M GOING TO ASK HIM A QUESTION.
AND ALSO JOHN DOHERTY A QUESTION AS WELL, REGARDING MATTERS ON THIS ITEM.
I'M GOING TO GO PAGE BY PAGE BECAUSE IT'S JUST EASIER THAT WAY.
SO GOING ON PAGE FOUR, WHICH I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I'VE USING THE RED LINE AS WELL.
SO I'M IN PAGE PARAGRAPH FOUR.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD THAT THE WOODLANDS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, THE HOA IS NOT A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. IT IS A BUSINESS ORGANIZATION THAT IS COMPILED OF SECTION SIX SECTIONS.
THAT ARE MANDATORY TO BE A PART OF IT FOR SPLITTING OF EXPENSES, AND TWO SECTIONS WITHIN THE WOODLANDS THAT ARE SECTION THREE AND SECTION FOUR THAT ARE VOLUNTARY IF THEY SHOULD WISH TO BE A PART OF IT.
HOWEVER, I UNDERSTAND THE TERM AND WHY IT'S IN HERE BECAUSE AS A WHOLE, THE.
DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IS TO MAKE.
COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE THINGS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS AGREEING TO AND THE CITY IS AGREEING TO FOR THE LIFE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, SO I WANT THAT CLEAR FOR THAT PART. UM, IT COMES DOWN A LITTLE LATER.
I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT THE FINAL ONE, I WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW AS WELL.
SO I HOPE IT'S COMING BACK TO US FOR FOR REVIEW BEFORE IT GETS OUT THERE.
I KNOW THERE'S A PART IN HERE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE IF IT CHANGES YOU NEED TO COME BACK.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM NOW.
SO EXHIBIT G WHICH IS THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IS AS PROPOSED RIGHT.
WHICH IS PART OF THE PROBLEM WHEN WE RECEIVE AN AGREEMENT.
RIGHT. AND THEN IT'S ALL THROUGHOUT HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAS LOOKED INTO IT.
I'VE LOOKED INTO IT, I SEE IT, BUT I JUST.
NO, IT'S JUST BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND IS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.
YEAH. SO THE AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY.
SO THAT'S IN THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
OKAY. JUST AS LONG AS IF ANYTHING CHANGES, IT COMES BACK.
UM. THE RECREATION POD DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE GET TO PARAGRAPH SIX, IT'S ON PAGE FIVE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS FOR THE USE AND BENEFIT OF.
THE DEVELOPER AT THIS TIME, AND THEN ONLY THE USE AND BENEFIT OF SECTION NINE.
IT IS NOT FOR THE RENTAL OUT OF ANY OTHER SECTION FOR IT TO BE UTILIZED.
THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES SO NOBODY CAN PARK AN OFFICE IN THERE.
AND IT NEEDS TO ONLY BE FOR SECTION NINE.
NEW REQUESTS THAT WAS MADE ON THE KIOSK FOR THAT LOCATION?
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YES. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMENT IN TERMS OF THE RECORD, THE SALES CENTER DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE IN COMPLIANCE NOT ALLOWED ANY ANY OUTSIDERS TO USE THAT AREA.WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REALLY EXCLUSIVELY USED BY THE DEVELOPER, NOT FOR ANY OTHER HOA OR SECTION IN THAT COMMUNITY, BUT AFTERWARDS THOSE OFFICES, WHEN THE DEVELOPER IS GONE, THERE'S GOING TO BE THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES STILL AVAILABLE.
IN THE PRESENTATION I HEARD FOR USE AND RENTAL BY OTHER PEOPLE.
SECTIONS 1 TO 6, SEVEN AND EIGHT ALREADY HAVE THEIR OWN CLUBHOUSES, SECTION THREE AND FOUR.
I AGREE, THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES.
SO MOVING DOWN TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH ON PAGE SIX.
IT SAYS ANNUAL BASIS OF OPERATING COSTS.
IT'S REALLY NOT FOR HEIRS AND EXECUTORS.
IT'S FOR. BUT ANYWAY, FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR INITIAL MONTHLY FEE NOT TO EXCEED $100, SUBJECT TO THE INCREASES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS BASED ON OPERATING COSTS AND EXPENSES TO BE FURTHER DEFINED IN THE GOVERNING HOA DOCUMENTS.
AND WHAT WAS ADDED IN HERE WAS ANY FEE INCREASE SHALL BE DISCLOSED TO THE CITY.
WHY? WHY IS THE CITY GETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A PRIVATE COMMUNITY'S DETERMINATION OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE CHARGING FOR THE AMENITIES THAT IT IS ALLOWING? WE'RE NOT GETTING IN THE MIDDLE. BUT OFTENTIMES WE'RE ASKED.
AND SO WE JUST WANT TO HAVE THE INFORMATION.
SO HOW MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THIS CITY REPORT TO THE CITY WHAT THEIR DUES ARE? I HAVE NO OBJECTION.
NO, I WAS JUST EXPLAINING AS TO WHY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS ADDED MAYOR.
IT'S A NON ISSUE. WE COULD WE COULD GET RID OF IT.
SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
BUT IF THE COMMISSION BUT IT'S INFORMATION, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.
AND THIS IS NOT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CD.
THIS HAS TO DO WITH SECTION NINE IS BUILDING A CLUBHOUSE.
AND PEOPLE CAN USE IT OR NOT USE IT.
OFTENTIMES WE COVER THE CITY AND JUST HAVING THAT INFORMATION IS HELPFUL.
BUT IT'S MAKING BY ME, HEY, I LIVE THERE.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL DELETE THAT.
I BELIEVE THE FULL SENTENCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SALES SLASH LEASING, MARKETING, COMMA CONSTRUCTION AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT SHALL END UPON COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES ARE GOING TO REMAIN FOR SECTION NINE.
SO I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING ON THAT ONE.
UM. I'M GOOD ON QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR THAT.
THE LAST SENTENCE RIGHT BEFORE.
SO YOU'VE TOLD US THAT IT'S COMING BEFORE, SUBJECT TO WHATEVER HAPPENS ON WEDNESDAY.
IT SHOULD. IT WILL BE BEFORE IT'S ALREADY FILED.
WE'RE PROJECTING PROVIDING IT'S APPROVED BY DRC.
WE'RE PROJECTING PLANNING BOARD IN JANUARY.
CITY COMMISSION CAN BE IN JANUARY.
SOMETHING THAT IS LATER ON IN HERE, WHICH IS.
13. 14.2 OF THE INNER ROADWAYS.
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THE ITEM REGARDING THE USING BEST USE OF PUBLIC SCHOOL PICKUP.IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE AMENITY CAMPUS VERSUS ON THE ROADWAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE SHIFTED FROM THE INNER ROADWAYS PARAGRAPH TO BE PUT INTO THE AMENITIES PARAGRAPH.
THE PURPOSE IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD WERE THERE WILL BE A SAFE PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO BE PICKED UP AT THE AMENITY CAMPUS ON SECTION NINE VERSUS ON THE ROADWAY WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY WAITING AT WHITE HICKORY OR YELLOW PINE.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO STAND THERE AND WAIT.
MAYOR, IF YOU COULD ALSO BRING THAT UP AT WEDNESDAY'S MEETING WHERE THE APPLICANT, BASED ON THE DEVELOPER, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AS IT RELATES TO THE LOCATION FOR THE PICKUP, AND THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IDEAL.
BUT WE CAN AND THERE'S A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING.
ONE SECTION, I'M SORRY. SO IT IS GOING PUTTING THE SECTION FROM THE INNER ROADWAYS, I BELIEVE IS 14.2 OKAY TO MOVE IT TO? YES 14 POINT.
TWO ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE OR IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT BEFORE 14.3 STARTS.
SO TO SPEAK. SO HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING TO ASK JOHN TO BRING HIMSELF UP TO.
I CAN DEAL WITH IT HERE. I CAN DEAL WITH IT LATER ON.
I'M JUST GOING TO DEAL WITH IT HERE.
SO OPEN SPACE AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THE PROJECT, WHICH IS THAT.
THE FRONT PUMPS WILL BE SIX AND SEVEN, WHICH IS RIGHT AT THE GATE.
THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE NUMBERS IN IT, THEY ALL TOUCH.
YEAH, THE ONES THAT ARE THE LIGHT BLUE IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE CITY, EXCEPT.
WELL, NOT ON THIS. THIS ONE'S NOT A ONE TO USE.
SO THE LIGHT BLUE ARE THE ONES THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS AND WERE MADE AND IS MAINTAINING.
THE DARKER BLUE ARE THE NEW WATERWAYS.
SECTION NINE WILL PAY REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE.
THE REALITY IS GOODS AND SERVICES COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP.
SO JUST SAYING IF IT WAS $230,000 AND CHANGE WAS WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN.
YOU CAN'T JUST GO BY $230,000 AND CHANGE WHEN.
IF IT EVEN TAKES THAT LONG FOR IT TO GO UP, THE COST TO MAINTAIN IS GOING TO GO UP AS WELL.
THERE ARE ABOUT 12 HOMES HERE WHERE THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING WATERWAY.
THOSE EXISTING WATERWAY RIGHT BY THESE HOMES THAT THERE'S CONCERN.
THERE'S CONCERN THAT THIS NEW WATERWAY DOWN HERE.
WILL CAUSE ISSUE TO THEIR PROPERTY.
THERE'S BEEN OUT TO THE PUBLIC, MAY NOT GIVE FULL INFORMATION OR MAY HAVE INFORMATION THAT IS.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA WITH THE WATERWAY? WELL, AS YOU STATED, THE AREAS IN THE DARK BLUE ARE GOING TO BE THE NEW.
I UNDERSTAND THE AUDIENCE IS FEELING THAT THAT IS WRONG.
IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO SAY WHY IT IS WRONG OR WHY IT IS RIGHT? I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN POINT TO US TO?
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UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THAT IS BEING HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN.THE CONCERN IS REGARDING SIMPLY THAT, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TOUCHING THOSE WATERWAYS BASED ON THIS EXHIBIT THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT AND SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS I'VE SEEN OF THIS AREA, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE MODIFYING THAT WATERWAY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
IF THEY DO MODIFY THAT WATERWAY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO BRING IT UP TO CURRENT REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH REQUIRES A 4 TO 1 SLOPE TO FEED INTO THE WATERWAY THE TWO FEET INTO THE WATERWAYS ON WHICH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? BOTH SIDES, BOTH SIDES.
SO THEN IF THERE IS LET ME RETRACT THAT.
IF THEY IF THEY MODIFY THIS AND THIS DRAWING, I'M GOING TO CALL THE SOUTH SIDE.
THEN THE SOUTH SIDE WILL HAVE TO BE MODIFIED TO TODAY'S CURRENT STANDARDS.
IF THEY DO NOT TOUCH THE NORTH SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE WILL BE LEFT AS IT IS TODAY.
OKAY, SO CURRENTLY THE NORTH SIDE IS OWNED BY THEM.
IT'S PROPERTY THAT'S CONSIDERED OWNED BY CURRENTLY PUBLIC.
CORRECT. RIGHT. AND WHEN THE TRANSACTION GOES THAT WATERWAY, SINCE IT IS SOMEHOW TOUCHING CITY, BECOMES A CITY RESPONSIBILITY BEHIND THE RESIDENTS HOMES, RIGHT? AS MISS CALLOWAY MENTIONED EARLIER, ANY WATERWAY IS CONTIGUOUS TO A CITY OWNED WATERWAY WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN, AND THEY WILL REIMBURSE US FOR THE MAINTENANCE COSTS OF THAT. ANYTHING THAT IS BUILT THAT IS ISOLATED WILL BE THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF 13TH FLOOR.
IT'S TOO DIFFICULT FOR US TO TO.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SOME OF THE DRAWINGS ITSELF ARE A LITTLE BIT.
DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN WHO IS MAINTAINING WHAT IN THAT AREA.
WELL. SINCE THE BLUE WATERWAY IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CITY.
OKAY. WELL, WELL YOU MAY WE JUST MAY NEED TO.
YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT ON BROWARD COUNTY PLANNING.
YOU KNOW, THEY DO A GOOD JOB, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A BIG DISCLAIMER.
DON'T RELY ON THIS. WE'RE NOT A SURVEY.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION BY WEDNESDAY TO BE ABLE TO SOLIDIFY.
WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING DONE, AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK TO THE DEVELOPER ABOUT REGARDING THAT AREA AND, AND ANY ENCROACHMENT OR ANY EFFECT IT WOULD HAVE ON THOSE 12 HOMES THAT ARE THERE.
THE LIGHT BLUE AREA IS NOT BEING MODIFIED.
FOR THE FOR THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT OR THE SITE PLAN.
SO THERE SHOULD BE NO CHANGES IN THAT WATERWAY IF IN FACT THE DEVELOPER DOES MODIFY THAT AND IF THE PLANS COME IN, IF THE SITE PLANS COME IN AND THEY ARE MODIFYING THAT, THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME UP TO CURRENT REGULATORY STANDARDS.
LET ME ASK THE QUESTION A DIFFERENT WAY, BECAUSE I THINK.
RIGHT. THAT ROADWAY AND ANY CONSTRUCTION THAT IS BEING DONE OVER THERE.
IS NOT EXPECTED TO AFFECT THE CANAL IS EXPECTED TO BE SPACE.
YOU'RE OFF THE HOT SEAT FOR A SECOND.
WELL, I MIGHT AS WELL JUST ASK YOU. ALL CANALS, ALL WATERWAYS ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME BUBBLERS, AERATORS AND OTHER KIND OF ITEMS WITHIN IT TO KEEP THE WATER MOVING AND NOT BE STAGNANT. YEAH, PARTICULARLY EXCUSE ME, PARTICULARLY ANY WATER BODY THAT IS KIND OF ISOLATED.
AND AGAIN SO WE DON'T HAVE A STAGNANT SITUATION.
SO GOING TO SECTION NINE WHICH IS STARTS ON PAGE EIGHT AND.
GOING TO A FEW SENTENCES ABOVE SECTION TEN.
RIGHT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY.
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THE LAST SENTENCE, SECOND TO LAST SENTENCE OF THIS PARAGRAPH.ANY MASTER ASSOCIATION CREATED SHALL ONLY ENCUMBER PROPERTY OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER AND IN NO WAY ENCUMBERS OR WILL ENCUMBER PROPERTY OWNED BY THE HOA OR SUB ASSOCIATION CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE IN THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY.
I REPEAT, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A SUB ASSOCIATION IN THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY.
THERE IS NO PROPERTY OWNED BY THE HOA.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY SECTIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT? ANY INDIVIDUAL SECTION? YES. CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE.
WOODLANDS. SECTIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.
SEE THAT THEY ADDED, PER OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME, THAT THEY WILL HAVE A MINIMUM.
MINIMUM LEASE TERMS OF NO LESS THAN 12 MONTHS.
I'M GOING TO SAY NOT NECESSARILY.
MUST BE IMPROVED. THEY MUST BE REPLACED.
ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN THERE HAS BEEN THERE FOR UMPTEEN YEARS SINCE.
AGES AND THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
ANY REPAIRS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.
I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S NOT HEALTH, NOT SAFE.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE REMAINING, THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
UM, MY NEXT QUESTION COMES FROM THE ADDITION OF THIS.
IT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE NINE.
AND IT STARTS RIGHT AFTER EXHIBIT Q.
SO THE LAST THREE LINES, THE COST OF ANY NEW SIDEWALKS CONNECTING THE RECREATION TRAIL AND OR WOODLANDS COMMUNITY TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS ALONG COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, ROCK ISLAND ROAD, NORTHWEST 64TH AVENUE OR NORTHWEST 44TH STREET SOUTH FURTHER BE CREDITABLE TO THE CITY'S MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEES.
A LITTLE CONCERNED BY THIS BY WHAT IS BEING MEANT, BECAUSE IF THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN SAYING THAT IT WANTS TO BE CLOSED IN, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WALKING OFF THE STREET AND WALKING THE TRAILS, WHICH THEN GOES TO THE NEXT FEW SENTENCES WHICH SAY THAT THERE WILL BE SIGNS THAT SAY PRIVATE FOR RESIDENTS AND GUESTS ONLY.
HOW ARE WE? HAVING STREET CONNECTIONS, SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS FROM THESE TRAILS TO THE OUTSIDE STREETS.
ARE WE PUTTING DOORWAYS OR FENCES, GATE FENCES OR GATE DOORS TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE COMMUNITY? ARE WE NOW ADDING THAT AS A PART OF THIS? THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOFT GATES FOR VEHICLES.
THERE'S LIKELY GOING TO BE PEDESTRIAN GATES IN AND OUT OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
ARE THEY GOING TO BE ON KEY FOBS OR PROTECTIONS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM WALKING INTO THE COMMUNITY? THERE WAS ONE REQUEST FOR ON 44TH STREET TO KEEP THE ACCESS.
HAVING AN ACCESS GATE THAT IS USABLE BY OUR ORTHODOX JEWISH COMMUNITY, THAT LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT HAS FREE ACCESS TO WALK IN AND GO DOWN 44TH TO THE TEMPLE THAT IS THERE THAT WAS REQUESTED TO BE MAINTAINED, AND WORK WITH THE RABBIS THERE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS SUITABLE.
FOR THE ORTHODOX COMMUNITY THAT CAN'T DO THINGS ON, ON ON CERTAIN TECHNOLOGIES.
NOT TECHNOLOGY, BUT TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE AGAINST THE RELIGION.
SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY ASKED FOR THERE.
SEMI UNDOING THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY TO BE PRIVATE ISH.
IT DOES SAY THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
AND SO ANY MODE OF TRANSPORTATION IS CONSIDERED.
NOT THE PASS FOR THE BIKE, PASS FOR THE PEOPLE TO WALK TO.
IT SAYS PUBLIC ACCESS TO PUBLIC.
IT SHOULDN'T BE OPEN ACCESS IF IT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY ACCESS.
SO THE COMMUNITY HAS ACCESS THROUGH A PEDESTRIAN GATE, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A CONCERN.
IT HAS TO BE PUBLIC ACCESS AND PUBLIC IS PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR.
AND THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING.
MAXINE, I HAVE SEEN COMMUNITIES AND EVEN AND BROWARD AND MIAMI-DADE, EVEN THOUGH THE STREETS ARE
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PUBLIC, MOST OF THE.GENERALLY, THE ONLY ACCESS POINTS ARE THE VEHICLE EXITS.
THEY GENERALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
SO YOU STILL MAINTAINING THE ESSENCE OF ALLOWING THE THEY CAN WALK IN THROUGH THE TO MAIN IF IF YOU HAVE TO MAIN ACCESS THEY COULD STILL WALK IN THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A PUBLIC STREET.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE PRIVATE WALKWAYS, THAT'S JUST A DESIGN ISSUE.
I THINK A PRIVATE I DON'T THINK THE MAYOR IS ASKING ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY.
SO THE PROJECT IS ALSO BEING BUILT.
BE CONSISTENT WITH COMPLETE STREET DESIGN.
THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS IN THE WOODLANDS.
AND THERE WILL. THIS COMMUNITY HAS SAID TIME AND AGAIN IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE SIDEWALKS.
THIS IS NOT A BRAND NEW COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE ACCESS POINTS.
THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY, CORRECT? WE DON'T WANT MORE PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY AND WALKING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHILE YOU MIGHT BE HAVING NEW PODS THAT MAY HAVE A SIDEWALK WITHIN THAT POD, THAT DOESN'T ALL OF A SUDDEN MAKE SIDEWALKS THROUGH THE REST OF THIS COMMUNITY TO GO OUTSIDE ONTO THE FOR OTHER AREAS.
PLUS, YOU CAN'T YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO EVEN GO ON SOME OF THEM.
SO WHAT PROVISION HERE? BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY SPEAKING TO THE FACT THESE SIDEWALKS WERE ALREADY A PART OF THE SITE PLAN TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
SKIRTED AROUND THE SIDEWALK CONVERSATION OFTEN.
THE SIDEWALKS, MY UNDERSTANDING, ARE ONLY IN THE NEW PODS.
IT'S NOT COMING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF WOODLANDS BOULEVARD.
IT'S NOT GOING DOWN WHITE HICKORY.
WOODMONT HAS 28 DIFFERENT HOMES, SECTIONS WHERE YOU GO IN AND OUT.
WOODLANDS WAS ONE BIG SQUARE DIVIDED IN EIGHT.
WE ALL GET TO ONE ANOTHER, MOSTLY TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
IT WAS NOT DESIGNED THE SAME WAY.
IT CANNOT BE TREATED LIKE CERTAIN OTHER PROJECTS.
MAYOR, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT ANY NEW SIDEWALKS, JUST IN GENERAL, THE PURPOSE OF THIS NEW SENTENCE WAS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT ANY NEW MULTIMODAL CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE CREDITED TOWARDS THE MULTIMODAL DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, WHICH THEY WOULD BE ENTITLED TO BY OUR ORDINANCE.
IT SAYS COST OF ANY NEW SIDEWALKS CONNECTING THE RECREATION TRAIL, WHICH MEANS ALL THESE LITTLE NEW TRAILS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE CONNECTED TO THE OUTSIDE. IT'S ALSO CONNECTING THE RECREATION TRAIL AND OR WOODLANDS.
SO IT'S CONNECTING THEM TO ANY SIDEWALKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT IN THE NEW PODS.
THESE ARE THE SIDEWALKS OR THESE ARE WHERE THE CARS ARE GOING TO DRIVE.
AND WE MIGHT HAVE SOME CONNECTION ON NORTHWARD 64TH AS WELL.
SO IT SPEAKS TO NORTHWEST 64TH AVENUE.
SO I CAN JUST DO IF YOU'D LIKE SOMETHING GENERAL.
THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN GATES THAT WE ALL GET KEYS FOR OR FOBS FOR, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE TON OF CONTROL THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT WALKABLE COMMUNITY INTENTIONALLY NOW.
SO DO YOU WANT JUST A GENERAL? ANY NEW SIDEWALKS WILL BE CREDITED.
SO ANY NEW SIDEWALKS? OR THE RECREATION TRAIL, BECAUSE THAT TOO CAN BE CREDITED WITH GETTING RID OF THE CONNECTING WORD.
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TRAIL INDICATING THE RECREATION TYPE.RECREATION TRAIL IS PRIVATE AND FOR RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTS AND GUESTS ONLY.
SO THIS IS WHERE I ASK CAPTAIN COOPER IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME TO THE FRONT.
ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE SIGNS PLACED THAT SAY NO TRESPASSING SIGNS SAY SUBJECT TO REMOVAL? IF WE FIND THAT YOU DO NOT BELONG ON THE PROPERTY.
OR ARE WE GOING TO BE TOLD THAT WE CAN'T CALL THE COPS AND WE'RE STUCK? I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU TO REPEAT THAT QUESTION FOR ME.
FOR THE SAFETY AND MAINTENANCE OF THE COMMUNITY.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO POST NO TRESPASSING? IMMEDIATELY BEFORE.
CAN WE DO IT NOW? ADDING IT TO THE SIGNS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE UP, AND SO THAT PEOPLE ARE ON NOTICE THAT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO REMOVAL IF THEY DO NOT BELONG IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE CAN'T TAKE THAT NOW BECAUSE SECTIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT DO NOT OWN THIS PROPERTY.
IT WILL BE OWNED EVENTUALLY BY SECTION NINE, AND THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
RIGHT NOW. ALL THIS PROPERTY BELONGS TO CLUBLINK, AND CLUBLINK HAS THEIR NO TRESPASSING SIGNS TO STOP PEOPLE FROM WALKING THEIR PROPERTY, PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THE LIKE. SO WHEN THIS IS HAVING SIGNS UP THERE, THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BE INSTALLING THE SIGNS IN ORDER TO KEEP IT TO WHERE IT IS ONLY PART OF THE WOODLANDS AND THEIR GUESTS.
WHAT PROACTIVE STEP CAN WE TAKE NOW? SO WHEN AND IF THIS SHOULD OCCUR, WE'RE NOT BEING TOLD, OH, WE HAVE TO WAIT 30 DAYS, GET THIS PASSED, GET THIS PASSED AND THEN BE ABLE TO CALL THE COPS.
SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, BUT I'M ENVISIONING WALKING TRAILS AND I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION OR A CONTRACTOR, BUT IN MY INTERPRETATION, I BELIEVE THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE VERY FIRST THING THAT'S INSTALLED IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S JUST WHAT HAS BEEN DONE.
CORRECT. THERE'S NO TEETH IN THAT.
SO WHAT? IT'S FOR RESIDENTS AND GUESTS ONLY.
YOU GOT A BENCH? I'M GOING TO SIT HERE AND I'M GOING TO ENJOY IT.
INSTEAD OF WAITING TO HAVE ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN SECTION NINE WHO WAS MONITORING THIS IN THERE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAVING TO FIGHT WITH SOMEBODY TO HAVE THEM REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY IF THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE THERE.
CAN WE PUT SOMETHING UP? CAN SOMETHING BE PUT UP PROACTIVELY? NOW THAT SAYS NO TRESPASS, SUBJECT TO REMOVAL.
I DON'T SEE IT BEING A PROBLEM.
BUT YOU DON'T SEE IT BEING A PROBLEM.
WELL. HEY. RIGHT. LOOK, I GIVE A PRIME EXAMPLE.
AND I TOLD I CAN'T HAVE THE COPS HELP ME BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A NO TRESPASSING SIGN.
I CAN MOVE IT AND I CAN GET IT TOWED.
ARE YOU KIDDING? THEY'RE ON MY PROPERTY.
I HAVE TO LET SOMEBODY KNOW THAT THEY DON'T OWN MY PROPERTY.
SO I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS FOR A REASON.
BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PROCEDURES.
THAT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN POST IT NOW.
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE NO ISSUE.
NO LOUD MUSIC, NO FISHING, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL PART OF THE NEXT PART OF IT.
THANK YOU. CAPTAIN, YOU'RE OUT. YOU'RE DONE WITH THE HOT SEAT.
CAN YOU ASK 13TH FLOOR TO POST THOSE SIGNS? I WILL ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY.
I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST PRELIMINARY.
SO PARKING MY UNDERSTANDING AND I KNOW IT SAYS HERE ANY SUBASSOCIATION OF SECTION NINE IS JUST IN CASE THESE COMMUNITIES SHOULD WISH TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF SUBASSOCIATION.
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YEAH. I MIGHT WANT MORE, BUT.SO MAYBE IT SHOULD BE APPROVED BY THE CITY.
IT'S THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN THE CITY COMMISSION.
BUT IN OUR OVERLAYS CURRENTLY WHICH IS COMING SOON.
WE DON'T IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE STRICT ABOUT.
HOW HIGH THE REAL ESTATE SIGNS COULD BE, HOW MANY REAL ESTATE SIGNS COULD BE OPEN HOUSE SIGNS THAT COULD BE ALL THIS KIND OF SIGNAGE ITEMS WHERE IF THEY'RE NEEDING TO HAVE SPECIAL SIGNAGE TO ALERT PEOPLE WHERE TO GO TO THE MODEL HOMES OR TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE PODS, THEN THAT WOULD PRESUMPTIVELY BE AN EXCEPTION, A TEMPORARY EXCEPTION TO THE OVERLAYS.
AND YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE THAT WRITTEN IN HERE.
SO IT'S NOT THE CITY GOING AGAINST THE CITY'S OWN RULES ON OVERLAYS.
UM. MAYOR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU ARE YOU ARE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS OF MISS CALLOWAY AND THEN ASK FOR CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION OR.
AS WE CAN SEE THAT THE CITY STAFF CAN DO WITHOUT.
THAT ARE NOT MAJOR. THERE ARE QUESTIONS IN CLARIFICATIONS THAT THEY CAN DO IN THEIR OWN.
I SEE THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE ABOUT THE ELECTRONIC BANNERS.
YES. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THESE BANNERS LOOK LIKE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE INSTALLED, BECAUSE THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THESE BANNERS.
MAYOR. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO THROUGHOUT THE CITY AT SOME KEY LOCATIONS, TO SHARE RELEVANT CITY INFORMATION AND RESIDENT INFORMATION, AND SHARE UPCOMING EVENTS, MEETINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
YOU KNOW, FROM DEPLOY MESSAGES OF THE SEASON AND THE THE THE THE FESTIVITIES.
AND SO INSTEAD OF USING THE THE THE CURRENT POLE BANNERS THAT THAT GO BAD AFTER TWO DAYS OF BEING ON THE POLES, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MOVE TO A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION OF HAVING OUTDOOR SCREENS THAT CAN BE SEEN BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND THEN WE CAN CHANGE THE MESSAGE FROM FROM A DISTANCE.
UNDERSTOOD. STILL, I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ON THIS BECAUSE KEEPING IN MIND, AGAIN, WOODLANDS COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY THAN EVERY SINGLE OTHER COMMUNITY.
WHERE WOULD YOU BE PUTTING THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF WOODMONT? IF YOU DO, IT'S IN A ROAD THAT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING.
RIGHT? PEOPLE? YEAH. THESE ARE WHERE YOU WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF 57TH.
WHERE? OR 58TH IN THE MIDDLE OF GREENHAVEN, FAIRHAVEN AND ALL THE LIKE.
I MEAN, THESE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE INTRUSIVE OF, YOU KNOW, ANY ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS.
AND WE CAN ALSO TURN THEM ON, TURN THEM OFF AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER LIGHT AND OR DISTRACTION THEY MAY CREATE IS NOT THERE AFTER CERTAIN HOURS.
SO WE CAN PROGRAM THAT FOR SURE.
THIS WAS THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST FOR $150,000 FOR THE CITY TO USE FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO NORTH WOODLANDS BOULEVARD, BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND BAILEY.
MY QUESTION IS IN READING THIS.
UM. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT BEING CONSIDERED A CREDIT AND APPLIED AGAINST FUTURE IMPACT FEES.
MY CONCERN IS THE USE OF FUNDS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE IMPACT FEE SAYS THE STUDY SHOWS THAT THERE IS $200,000 WORTH OF IMPACT FEES TO
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SOUTH WOODLANDS BOULEVARD, AND THERE'S ONLY $100,000 OF FEES USED TO NORTH WOODLANDS BOULEVARD.DOES THAT MEAN THE SOUTH IS STUCK AT THE 150 AND THE NORTH HAS AN EXTRA $50,000 JUST HANGING OUT? OR IS THIS THE COST OF THE STUDY? OKAY. SO IN THIS PROVISION THE DEVELOPER WILL AT A COST RECOVERY PAY FOR THE STUDY.
ONCE THE STUDY IS COMPLETED THEN THE DEVELOPER WILL CONTRIBUTE $150,000 FIRST WITH THE FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY, WOODLANDS BOULEVARD, BANYANA BANYANA, BANYANA LANE, BAYBERRY LANE AND OTHER LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED BY THE STREET IMPROVEMENT STUDY.
AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $150,000 THAT WILL BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE CITY FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
THE ENTIRE $300,000 CONTRIBUTION IS CREDITED TOWARDS RIGHT.
THEY GET THE FULL CREDIT OF THE 300,000.
YES. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PROJECT FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE.
TRAFFIC CALMING ITEMS WIND UP BEING MORE EXPENSIVE TO EITHER THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH.
ONE DOESN'T HAS MONEY LEFT OVER AND THE OTHER ONE IS MISSING MONEY.
MAKING IT. WHERE? GOTCHA. OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE MAKING IT WHERE THE MONEY IS UTILIZED FOR THESE THINGS ON SOUTH.
AND NORTH, BUT KIND OF LIKE THIS MORNING'S CONVERSATION.
IF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT OVER IN THE POOL, CAN SOMEBODY ELSE USE IT TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND NOT HAVING MONEY? NOT BEING UTILIZED OR REPAIRS OR IMPLEMENTATION NOT BEING DONE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, THAT'S THE AGREEMENT AS WRITTEN DOES NOT SPEAK TO THAT.
SO IF THAT'S THIS COMMISSION DESIRE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE 300,000 OR WHATEVER IS REMAINING FROM ONE PROJECT TO BE SPENT ON THE OTHER PROJECT NOW ON IT, THEN WE CAN DO CONSENSUS NOW ON IF THAT'LL BE EASIER.
WE CAN. LET ME LOOK WHAT EXHIBIT THAT IS.
LET'S PUT UP. LET'S PULL UP THE SITE PLAN.
THE EXHIBITS ARE IN THE FOLDER.
CAN YOU PULL UP THE EXHIBIT THAT SAYS SITE PLAN? UH HUH.
ARE THE STREETS ON HERE? IT'S JUST. WELL.
YOU SEE WHAT THE CIRCLE IS? AND THE TWO LAKES ON TOP.
SO ON THIS IS EVERYTHING ABOVE COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD WOULD BE NORTH.
AND INSTEAD OF IT BEING DIVIDED FOR 150 HERE AND 150 THERE.
THE STUDY IS GOING TO BE DONE FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE BOULEVARD.
IT'S COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD FROM BAILEY DOWN TO 44TH IS GOING TO BE DONE.
IMPACTS IN THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND THEN THE BOULEVARD NORTH.
IT MAY BE, SINCE WE'VE JUST DONE SOME.
THEY MAY NOT NEED ALL 150, BUT WITH THE ADDITIONAL.
CONSTRUCTION. IT MIGHT FIND WE NEED MORE WITHIN THE WOODLANDS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR INSTEAD OF MAKING IT NORTH AND SOUTH SPECIFIC PER SE.
HERE'S THE MONEY. HERE'S THE PROJECT.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT DONE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MY CLEAR.
OKAY BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF THE STUDY THAT THEY WILL CONDUCT.
MUST. THOSE INTERSECTION IS SEPARATE.
THAT'S A MILLING AND RESURFACING OF ALL INTERSECTION WITHIN 100FT IMPACTED.
RIGHT. BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT.
TRAFFIC CALMING ALONG WOODLANDS BOULEVARD IN THOSE AREAS AND THOSE STREETS AS WELL.
WOMEN'S BOULEVARD, BANYAN LANE.
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BAYBERRY LANE, AND ANY OTHER LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED BY THE STREET IMPROVEMENT STUDY.I'VE GOT FOUR. A VICE MAYOR IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR HIM, DOES NOT HAVE AN OPINION.
OKAY, SO, MAYOR, SO THE TOTAL $300,000 WILL BE USED FOR IMPROVEMENTS ALONG. IT'S BECAUSE IT HAS WOODLANDS.
COMMUNITY. WOODLANDS BOULEVARD.
AND THEN NOW ON NORTH WOODLANDS BOULEVARD FROM COMMERCIAL TO 44TH.
INSTEAD OF ONE COMMUNITY OR ONE SECTION.
HAVING MONEY LEFT OVER AND THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T.
AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ANY OF US NEED IT.
UM, I HAVE A NOTE, BUT YES, IF YOU CAN BRING IT UP AT THE MEETING.
SHARE WITH US THE FINANCIAL ASSURANCES.
IF YOU CAN JUST RECAP THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MAKE US KNOW WHY.
FINANCIAL DISTURBANCES ARE IN PLACE THAT WE WON'T BE LEFT WITH.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE DEVELOPER IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROJECT.
WE WON'T HAVE PIPES STICKING OUT OF THE GROUND.
WE WON'T BE JUST LEFT HANGING IF THEY GO BANKRUPT.
WHAT THIS THESE PARAGRAPHS MEAN FOR 14.5? YEAH. THIS IS AND THIS IS FOR YOUR PUBLIC FACILITIES.
AND SO THIS IS FOR YOUR ROAD, YOUR WATER SEWER OR YOUR, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY TO THE PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT, HAVE A BOND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE CITY IN THE EVENT THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT PERFORM THERE SOME CURE PROVISION THAT'S IN THERE.
SO IT GIVES THE DEVELOPER SOME TIME TO CURE AND TO PERFORM.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO REITERATE THAT FOR.
ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE CONCERNED.
YEAH. AND IT'S SEVERAL INDEMNITY, SEVERAL PROVISIONS CONCERNING THAT HERE.
AND I KEEP SAYING THAT. SO WE'RE NOT BUILDING HOMES, WE'RE NOT DOING.
YES, CORRECT. FOR THE PUBLIC FACILITIES.
YEAH. MOVING TO PAGE 19 AND ENTRANCE RENOVATIONS.
THERE'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THIS DISCUSSION, BUT FOR OVER THE YEARS IT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MAIN GATE, THE WAY IT'S NOW BEEN WORDED.
THIS GATE IS DOWN. THE ARM IS DOWN ALL THE TIME.
IT'S NOT UP. IT'S DOWN ALL THE TIME YET.
AND IT'S STILL A PUBLIC ROADWAY.
YES, BUT THERE'S NO 7 TO 7 ANYMORE.
IT'S JUST THE GATE. ARMS ARE DOWN.
PAGE. IS THERE A CALL BOX GOING TO BE ON THERE? YEAH, YEAH, I'M NOT CERTAIN.
BUT YOU HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION ON WEDNESDAY ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE ENTRANCE FEATURES, AND THEY'LL HAVE ALL THEIR EXPERTS WITH THEM ON WEDNESDAY AND GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE SITE PLAN SO THEY'LL TOUCH ON ALL OF THIS.
COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC ROAD, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CALL BOX.
GENERALLY, SOME COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE THAT GATE SYSTEM.
THEY WOULD PAY SOME EXTRA MONEY TO HAVE A GUARD THERE JUST FOR EXTRA DETERRENCE.
THERE WAS ADDED THAT CAMERAS AT ALL ENTRY WAYS FOR THE PROJECT AND ALL SUCH CAMERAS SHALL BE CONNECTED TO BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER UPON THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT. YES, MY CURIOSITY IS WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT? WHY CAN'T WE COORDINATE WITH BSO THAT AS SOON AS ANY ENTRYWAY IS READY AND DONE, THAT WE'RE NOT AUTOMATICALLY CONNECTED TO THE REAL CRIME, REAL TIME CRIME
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CENTER RIGHT AWAY? IS THIS AN ISSUE? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S A SYSTEM THAT THEY NEED TO INSTALL, AND IT HAS SOME CENTRAL EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE WE MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO THE CENTRAL TO TO DOWNTOWN.SO IT'S NOT CAMERA BY CAMERA, IT'S A SYSTEM.
SO ONCE THE SYSTEM CENTRAL SYSTEM IS IN PLACE, IT CAN BE CONNECTED.
AND AS CAMERAS ARE ADDED IT CAN BE PART OF THAT CONNECTIVITY.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO WORD IT THEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAT IS THERE A WAY TO.
UM. THE ONLY HESITATION I HAVE MADAM MAYOR AFTER SOME FURTHER THOUGHT IS THAT THE CENTRAL VIDEO SYSTEMS OR CENTRAL RECORDING SYSTEM, THEY NEED TO BE AT A FACILITY.
IF THAT FACILITY IS NOT IN PLACE, THEN THEN YOU KNOW THE SYSTEM MAY NOT BE FULLY ACTIVE.
SO WHEN WE HAVE CAMERAS THAT GO ONLINE IN CASE THE FRONT ENTRYWAY IS DONE SOONER THAN, SAY, THE HOLLY DRIVE, AND THEN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOT AWARE OF, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE TO ASSIST US FOR, TO PREVENT ANY CRIME THAT COULD BE IN THE WORKS, KNOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THINGS, WE HAVE A LOT OF TRANSIENT GOING ON.
SO IF THE COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH REWORDING, WE CAN CHANGE THE LAST PART OF THE SENTENCE TO READ THAT THE DEVELOPER FURTHER AGREES TO INSTALL VIDEO CAMERAS AT ALL ENTRANCES FOR THE PROJECT, AND ALL SUCH CAMERAS SHALL BE CONNECTED TO THE BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER UPON THE COMPLETION OF EACH ACCESSWAY OR ENTRYWAY. IF THAT.
THAT WOULD BE AS OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE FACILITY OR.
WORK TO CREATE THE FACILITY IN WHICH IT WILL BE HOUSED FIRST.
BECAUSE THESE THESE CAMERAS, FOR THEM TO BE CONNECTED TO THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER IS, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT NETWORK OF CAMERAS, THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT NETWORK CONNECTED TO A CENTRAL FACILITY.
AND THAT THAT CENTRAL FACILITY NEEDS TO BE CONNECTED BACK TO THE BACK TO DOWNTOWN.
AND SO JUST HAVING, LIKE I SAID, INDIVIDUAL CAMERAS, WHETHER THEY'RE ACTIVE OR NOT, MAY NOT WE HAVE A SEPARATE FACILITY THAT WE KNOW THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE THEY'RE STORING IT.
I IS IT SAFE TO EVEN KNOW THAT? YEAH, I SUPPOSE THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITY WHERE ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHERE ALL THESE HARDWARE IN CONNECTIONS WOULD END UP.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT THERE BECAUSE THEN THAT REALLY DELAYS THE PROCESS.
MAYBE WE CAN HAVE AN INQUIRY SO WE CAN KNOW BETTER FOR WEDNESDAY THE STATUS OF THAT.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL LEAVE IT FOR NOW AT THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
UNLESS IT'S AGREEABLE TODAY TO HAVE IT BEING FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE FACILITY.
WHICHEVER ONE, WHICHEVER MAKES IT GO ONLINE FIRST.
SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW.
IT'S A MAKES SENSE TO GO ON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I'M WAITING FOR LANGUAGE BEFORE I BRING IT BACK.
EACH ACCESS POINT OR OF THE PROJECT WHICH WAS LISTENING TO THE CITY MANAGER.
IT'S GOING TO HOUSE IT AND THEN AS EACH ONE GOES ONLINE.
WITHOUT KNOWING THE SITE PLAN AS INTRICATELY AS EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE TEAM MAY.
DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING UP AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SUBJECT, IF IT'S GOING ON THE AMENITY SITE, IF THE FACILITY IS AVAILABLE AS SOON AS THE FACILITY IS AVAILABLE. WE DON'T KNOW THE SEQUENCE OF CONSTRUCTION AND SO YET.
ON THAT NOTE, JUST WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, IT IS A CONSTRUCTION SITE.
WHAT ABOUT THE DEVELOPER PROVIDING THE DETAIL DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS? I SUPPORT THAT? YEAH. YEAH.
PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXPOSED.
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SO THAT HELPS WITH THAT AS WELL BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAST THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE UPDATED.UM. WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATERWAYS.
AND THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHERE THE CITY NEEDS TO COME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT.
BECAUSE THESE WATERWAYS ARE INTERCONNECTED OR NOT.
THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE CONSISTENCY OF NO FISHING, NO BOATING.
EXPRESSED. SO WE NEEDED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERLAYS WHICH.
GO. MAYBE PUT IT IN THE OVERLAYS TO MAKE THAT AN EASIER ITEM.
UM, WHICH IS A FEW PAGES DOWN.
I ASKED ABOUT THE SABBATH GATES, AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO GET ON.
ON THE SITE PLAN AND BACK FROM THE DEVELOPER WHAT IT'S CALLED THE SABBATH GATES.
THE GATES TO. YES, YOU WOULD HAVE.
YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE A SITE PLAN.
24. PARAGRAPH D NORTHWEST 64TH AVENUE.
SO D IN THE EVENT THERE IS ACCESS TO THE PROJECT, BELIEVE THAT THAT LANGUAGE WAS ASKED FOR IN THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THERE IS ACCESS FOR THE PROJECT AND ONE ON THE RECORD THAT ANY KIND OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO ADDRESS ANY DRAINAGE IMPACTS.
THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE IS ACCESS TO THE OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR 2017.
DEVELOPER SHALL TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
MAYOR, WHERE ARE YOU NOW? I'M SORRY. PAGE 2417.
ADJUSTED. FOR WHATEVER CHANGE TO SUBJECT TO MODIFICATION OR JUST STRIKE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
LANGUAGE, IF NEED BE, WOULD BE IF IT NEEDS TO HAVE SUBJECT TO.
MODIFICATIONS IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT.
I DON'T WANT TO, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A SHAWL IN THERE, SO I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE A PROBLEM.
WHERE? THEY SHALL UNDER SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED TO FILL OUT, BUT I WILL FILL IT OUT.
I WANT TO BE ON RECORD THAT I WAIVE ANY RIGHT TO FUNDS FOR BOTH OF MY PROPERTIES, WHETHER I OWN IT OR ANYBODY IN MY FAMILY OWNS IT. THERE WILL BE NO FUNDS COMING TO ME.
HOWEVER, IF I SHOULD SELL ANY ONE OR BOTH OF MY PROPERTIES DURING THE TIME WHEN THIS IS IN PLACE, THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO RESUME ACCESS TO THE FUND THAT IS BEING CREATED TO HELP RESIDENTS WITH THE CLEANING UP OF THEIR HOMES DUE TO THE DIRT, DUST AND DEBRIS.
THAT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE HOMEOWNERS.
THIS WAS PUT IN HERE, AND I WANT IT CLEAR THAT I'M NOT RECEIVING ANY FUNDS.
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AND I WILL SIGN WHATEVER PAPERWORK IS NEEDED.AND I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANYBODY CLAIMING THAT I HAVE THAT IN THERE.
SO I CAN BENEFIT FOR 200 TO $400.
SO AT LEAST YOU KNOW THE DEVELOPER.
YOU KNOW HE'S GOING TO ACT UPON THE CONDITION.
OKAY. SO IF A HOMEOWNER, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME OF PROCESSING THE FUNDS, THE HOMEOWNER HAS THE OPTION TO DECLINE OR ACCEPT, WE NEED TO PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE HE'S HE'S NOT HE'S GOING TO BE HEY, YOU TELL ME TO GIVE THE FUNDS.
AND THERE IS NO WELL, THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE.
I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE ABOUT I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.
AND MY COMMENT TO WAVER IS BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE HAVING SOMEBODY CLAIM THAT I'M GETTING A BENEFIT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR YEARS TO TRY TO GET SOME KIND OF MONEY FOR THIS COMMUNITY, FOR THE RAMIFICATIONS THAT WILL HAPPEN.
IF THIS PROJECT SHOULD GO THROUGH.
THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THE FUNDS TO TAKE CARE OF REPAIR OR CLEANING, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO GET CITED BECAUSE OF THE RULES OF THE CITY, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.
IF THIS GOES THROUGH, WHICH IS.
AND THE FUNDS ARE DISTRIBUTED BY THE CITY STAFF, NOT THE COMMISSION.
SO YOU WERE TOLD TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN A PUBLIC MEETING OR IN A PRIVATE MEETING WHEN I WAS ADVOCATING FOR THIS COMMUNITY, MY PRIVATE MEETING WAS TOLD THAT WE COULDN'T GET FUNDS.
OKAY. SO YOU DO HAVE PRIVATE MEETINGS.
OKAY. NOBODY SAID I HAVEN'T HAD PRIVATE MEETINGS.
I HAVE ALL OF MY MEETINGS WITH 13TH FLOOR HAVE BEEN OF RECORD.
AND. THERE ARE APPLES AND THERE ARE OTHER APPLES.
26. THIS IS NEW LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN HERE.
I'M GOOD WHEN WE GET TO THEIR.
I THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE MONEY THAT GOES INTO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUNDS FOR WHEN THEY HELP OUR COMMUNITY OUT WITH RENTAL ASSISTANCE.
IT SHOULD NOT JUST BE DESIGNATED SOLELY FOR.
THIS IS NOT ANYTHING AGAINST THEM.
I WOULDN'T CARE IF YOU WERE SAYING THAT THIS MONEY IS TO GO TO A DIFFERENT SQUARE IN OUR CITY.
IT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO THE MAIN KITTY FOR THE CITY TO DISTRIBUTE, FOR THOSE THAT NEED, ACCORDING TO OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS, THAT ARE BY SHIP OR BY CDBG OR HUD, OR WHICHEVER ONES YOU FOLLOW FOR THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS ON THAT.
UM. OKAY, I'VE GOT A THUMBS UP FROM COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, WHICH I'M SAYING OUT LOUD SO THE CITY CLERK CAN MAKE SURE SHE HAS IT DOWN. WE'VE GOT A YES BY.
VICE MAYOR BOLTON, I HAVE NO COMMENT.
THEREFORE, THERE'S THREE OF US. AND THIS WAS TO BE.
26, PAGE 26, WHICH IS WOODLANDS OVERLAY.
UM, PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE HERE IS THAT.
IT'S MISSING ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE ACTUAL WOODLANDS OVERLAYS.
MY UNDERSTANDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT.
THE WOODLANDS. OVERLAYS HAVE NOT BEEN DESIRED BY THE CITY TO MAINTAIN.
WE KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A DESIRE TO REMOVE THEM FOR AGES AND AGES, AND IT HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO THE 20TH JANUARY 25, SUBJECT TO WHATEVER MAY OR MAY NOT BE OCCURRING JULY 12TH, 2025.
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AND THAT'S FINE, I UNDERSTOOD, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THE ITEMS THAT MADE IT INTO THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT WERE SPOTTY.NOT EVERYTHING GOT IN HERE, AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE AIR CONDITIONING OR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND THE REFUSE CONTAINERS ARE ALL SUBJECT TO CITY OF TAMARAC ORDINANCE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE REST OF THIS, THEN THE REST OF OUR OVERLAYS NEED TO BE WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT AS GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE AMENDED, BECAUSE THE FENCES ARE NOT IN HERE IN THIS AGREEMENT, WHICH IT WAS REMOVED, AND HEDGES ARE IN HERE, BUT WE ARE VOTING POTENTIALLY WEDNESDAY NIGHT FOR SECOND READING TO REMOVE PART OF THE HEDGES PARAGRAPH WHICH SAYS AS SO NOT TO OBSTRUCT NEIGHBORLY PROPERTY OWNERS VIEW OF OPEN SPACE OR WATER BODIES, WHICH WAS CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL VIEW OF GOLF COURSE AND WATER BODIES.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD APPRECIATE.
I'VE GOT TO SAY. COMMISSIONER.
AND NO COMMENT BY VICE MAYOR BOLTON, WHO WAS DOING HIS UNDERLINING.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ON THE YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE DOING IN REFERENCE TO BECAUSE JUST REFERENCE TO REMOVE ALL THAT.
I AM FINE WITH. I AM FINE WITH THE NEW G.
I AM NOT FINE WITH BEING C FOR NUMEROUS REASONS.
THERE'S A TUNE OF $2.2 MILLION.
BEING ALLOCATED FOR 24 COMMUNITIES, TWO OF WHICH ARE.
GREEN HAVENS ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF UNIVERSITY, CLOSER TO COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE HERE, OTHER THAN TO POSSIBLY BE FOR SOMEONE TO BE HAPPY TO PUT THEIR SIGNS UP DURING ELECTIONS.
MAINLAND'S AID IS ALSO ON THE WEST SIDE OF 64TH.
UM. THIS FEELS VERY MUCH LIKE A CAMPAIGN TO GET SOMEBODY ELECTED IN DISTRICT ONE VERSUS IT BEING UTILIZED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED WHEN IT COMES TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SHAKER VILLAGE CLUBHOUSE OR EAST SIDE COMMUNITY CENTER.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE.
THE REALITY IS THE LAWSUIT IS THERE.
WE'VE BEEN GIVEN INFORMATION YET.
WE HAVE YET TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE IS VOID.
I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE FOR THE CITY TO BE SIGNING A CONTRACT THAT WOULD HAVE.
$750,000 EARMARKED FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY NEVER HAPPEN.
AND WHERE DOES THAT MONEY SIT AGAIN? WHERE DOES THAT POOL GO TO? THIS MONEY SHOULD BE PUT INTO A POOL FOR THE CITY TO DETERMINE WHAT WITHIN THIS QUADRANT OR AREA, OR THROUGH STRATEGIC PLANNING NEEDS TO BE DONE. TO DEAL WITH THE IMPACTS OF THIS NEW COMMUNITY IN THE AREA AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO THE COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF TO DISCUSS AT A LATER DATE. SO THE $2.2 MILLION SHOULD JUST GO INTO THAT POOL OF MONEY THERE.
EVERYBODY'S HURTING FOR MONEY, AND IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A GIFT.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING OUR.
TERMS TO THE LIKE OF THIS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE, TO WHERE WE'RE MORE OR LESS SAYING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO IT WHEN IT'S ALREADY REALLY KNOWN THAT IT'S NOT REALLY AN AGREEMENT, WHEN THERE'S PRESSURE TO AGREE, BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT A PROJECT TO GO THROUGH, AND USING THE CITY AS THE FALL GUY ON THIS TO SAY, WELL, IT WAS WHAT THE CITY HAS ASKED FOR, I FIND I CALL BALONEY ON THAT.
AND I THINK THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, THE CITY COMMISSION SHOULD BE HAVING A WORKSHOP ON HOW TO PROPERLY NEGOTIATE TERMS WITH DEVELOPERS FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO COME TO OUR CITY IF THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO AFRAID THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THEIR VOTES UNTIL THEY MAKE SOMEBODY HAPPY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST WRONG.
I THINK THAT LEAVES AN AIR OF GREAT DISTASTE.
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UM. THE IDEA WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT HAVING SOME ISSUES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND WHERE IS THERE A POT OF MONEY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY UTILIZE TO GIVE LOANS FROM, WHICH ISN'T CITY FUNDS, WHICH IS NOT PUBLIC DOLLARS? MAYBE WE CAN PUT THIS MONEY INTO A TEMPORARY HOLD FOR THE CITY TO RESEARCH HOW THAT COULD WORK OUT, TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN LOAN MONEY THAT IS NOT CITY DOLLARS TO COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD BE REIMBURSED BACK TO THAT POT FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, OR GIVE THEM A BENEFIT OF SOME SUMS THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO GET A LOAN FROM A BANK, THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A TEMPORARY BACKING OF SOME MONEY THAT'S BASED IN A CITY WITH SOME GUARANTEE FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, WE CAN BE VERY CREATIVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN HELP MORE.COMMUNITIES WITH THESE FUNDS, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE TAKEN THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
CONSENSUS TO MOVE THE MONIES IN B AND C.
A KITTY FOR THE CITY TO AN ASTRO FOR THE CITY TO DETERMINE HOW TO BEST USE THESE DEVELOPERS.
THIS DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTION FOR THE IMPACTS THAT ARE TRULY AFFECTING OUR CITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER, BUT NOT TO LINE ITEM ALL THESE THINGS AS IF WE ARE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE PERSON GETS ELECTED VERSUS WORRYING ABOUT THE TRUE NEEDS OF THE CITY.
SO THAT IS MY ASK TO PUT THE MONIES.
THAT IS 750,000 925,000, WHICH WAS BEING SPLIT BEFORE 24 COMMUNITIES AND 250,000 TO TO THE CHARITIES TO BE PUT INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT FOR THIS, THIS COMMISSION TO MEET WITH CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE THE BEST USE OF THOSE FUNDS FOR COMMUNITY IMPACT. I GOT A SHAKING HEAD.
YES. BY COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
WHAT WAS THE SECTIONS SECTION? YEAH, WE CAN CONVEY AND INDICATE YOU WANT THE SAME AMOUNT.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, IF I MAY ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.
THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE WOODLANDS.
THEY DID NOT SEE ANY EXCEPTIONS.
USING. RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE. AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY GREEN HAVEN IS IN HERE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, USING YOUR WORDS THAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU SAID THE DEVELOPER REALLY WANTS THIS, SO THEN WHY ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE IT? SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPER REALLY WANTS IT.
I THINK THE DEVELOPER GAVE YOU THE LIP SERVICE OF WHICH THE DEVELOPER GAVE YOU, BUT.
THE I DON'T KNOW IF THEN IT'S NOT UP TO THE DEVELOPER, THEN WE CAN CHANGE THIS.
WE HAVE THE ACCESS AND THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THIS.
I THINK THE DEVELOPER JUST DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY ANY MORE MONEY IN ADDITION TO THIS.
SO ARE YOU SAYING TAKE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM C AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE SEGMENT EARLIER FOR THE DEBRIS? WELL, I'M SAYING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DEEPER AND AND SEE THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT SHOULD WHO'S WHO IS BEING AFFECTED BY THIS AND WHO WHICH WHICH COMMUNITIES SHOULD BENEFIT.
WHICH IS THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING FOR REMOVAL OF THE ITEMS HERE AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK TO THE CITY STAFF TO LOOK AT THE EFFECTS OF WHO'S GETTING AFFECTED AND BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE THE MONEY ACCORDINGLY.
I KNOW MANOR PARK IS IS GETTING AFFECTED BY SOME OF THE.
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PARDON. MANOR PARK.THE WIN. YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO GET PART OF IT.
YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES AROUND IT THAT WILL GET PART OF IT.
THERE WAS. NO WALL PRESENTED IN THE CONVERSATION FOR THEM WHEN THE.
WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE THE MARIJUANA PLACE ONE IN.
EAST SIDE OF THE STREET FOR THE NEW WALL.
BUT TAKING THESE FUNDS THEN AND PUTTING IT INTO WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHICH COMMUNITIES ARE GETTING AFFECTED BY IT VERSUS AUTOMATICALLY JUST DOLING IT OUT.
AND THERE'S NO REAL RHYME OR REASON TO WHY SOME ARE GETTING 50, SOME ARE GETTING 15, SOME ARE GETTING 25, SOME ARE GETTING 75.
HAPHAZARD, RIGHT? THERE'S NO METHODOLOGY.
WHAT IF THERE'S NO COMMUNITY CENTER EVER BUILT? WELL, THERE'S A SHAKER VILLAGE OR ANYWHERE ELSE $750,000 IS JUST GOING TO SIT IN A KITTY THAT WE CAN'T TOUCH.
WE ARE BEING GIVEN THE GIFT OF $2.2 MILLION FROM THE DEVELOPER.
THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT IT INTO A MECHANISM THAT THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO WISELY SPEND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY THAT WOULD DEAL WITH ANY KIND OF EFFECTS AND IMPACTS.
HERE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR IT TO.
BE REMOVED FROM BEING LINE ITEM SPECIFIC AS IT IS, AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
MAYBE THE $750,000 TO THEN BE GOING OVER TO CENTRAL PARK TO HELP BUILD THAT PARK.
IF THE SHAKER VILLAGE PARK IS NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH.
RIGHT. WE WE ARE TYING OUR HANDS HERE WITH SOME OF THE RESTRICTIVENESS THAT IS BEING PUT IN PLACE.
YET THEY'RE NOT EVEN BEING CONTEMPLATED TO RECEIVE ANY KIND OF GIFT.
AND WE HAVE TWO OTHER CHARITIES THAT AREN'T EVEN PART OF TAMARAC THAT ARE RECEIVING GIFTS.
AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE DEVELOPER'S DESIRE.
IT MAY BE ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IT'S TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
TAMARAC. IT'S NOT DIRECTLY GETTING AFFECTED OF THIS.
DISCOVER THE BEAUTY IS THE JOURNALING.
AND THEN QUITE HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE IF RAFA CENTER IS A RAFFLE MEDICAL CENTER.
IF IT'S RAFA MEDICAL CENTER, IT'S A NICE ORGANIZATION.
SHE'S A LOVELY WOMAN, BUT IT'S A MEDICAL CENTER, NOT NECESSARILY A CHARITY.
SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT DUE DILIGENCE OR WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON THAT.
AND SO WHY ARE WE PICKING ONE MEDICAL BUSINESS, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MCNAB AND.
IT'S IN THE SHOPPING PLAZA WITH REJOICE ACROSS THE STREET.
WELL, YEAH. REJOICE CAFE IS IN THE SAME SHOPPING PLAZA.
SO AGAIN, SOME OF IT IS NOT EXACTLY.
WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE IS COMING FROM THE DEVELOPER'S INSISTENCE.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU.
MAYOR. MY THING WITH WITH THIS LIST HERE IS THE FACT THAT I APOLOGIZE.
YOU'LL GO NEXT. I YOU'LL GO NEXT.
IF I CAN'T SEE IT SO WELL, I DON'T.
YOU KNOW, SO THIS PROJECT BENEFITS THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY.
BUT THESE CONTRIBUTIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY BENEFITING THESE SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES, WHICH ARE NOT EVEN BEING IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WOODLANDS. UM, THAT'S WHY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT.
I'M OKAY WITH. IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO GIVE MONEY TO EVERYONE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT AGAIN, I HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ISSUES.
DISTRICT TWO HAS COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ISSUES.
DISTRICT FOUR HAS COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ISSUES, PLAZAS THAT HAVE ISSUES.
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AND AS THE MAYOR JUST POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVING AWAY MONEY TO OTHER BUSINESSES OR NON-PROFITS.UM. AND THE FACT THAT SHAKER VILLAGE AND I DON'T MEAN TO BRING IT OUT, BUT THEY'RE RECEIVING 75,000 ON TOP OF THE 750,000 ON TOP OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE DOING WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, WHY IS MAINLAND SIX GETTING 75,000 AND WHY IS.
CHELSEA'S PLACE. I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST BRAND NEW.
THE GATE CONDOMINIUM SHOULD GET THE WHOLE THING.
IN COMPARISON TO THE ACTUALLY NEED IN REPAIRS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO. I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE MONEY GOING INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT AND LET STAFF DETERMINE WHERE THE MONEY SHOULD BE BEST USED, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T EVEN KNOW.
SO HOW IS THE DEVELOPER TELLING US WHERE THE MONEY SHOULD GO IF THEY DON'T EVEN LIVE IN TAMARAC? THEY DON'T DO BUSINESS IN TAMARAC ASIDE FROM WHEN THEY START BUILDING STUFF.
SO STAFF IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY KNOWS WHERE THE MONEY IS NEEDED FOR US TO BE DETERMINING THAT.
COMMISSIONER, DANIEL. THANK YOU.
SO CAN I ASK ALL MY QUESTIONS NOW? I'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN OVER AN HOUR ANYWAY.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I WILL TAKE MY TIME TO.
SOME THINGS WERE PROMISED BY THE DEVELOPER, AND I WAS ONE THAT VOTED FOR IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN BRINGING BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, REMODELING OUR CITY, MAKING HOMES AVAILABLE TO OUR CITIZENS.
BUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE THINGS THAT WERE PROMISED IN THE AGREEMENT, AND I HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
THE RESIDENTS HAVE SOME CONCERNS, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WOULD PREFER WE TALK ABOUT.
AND JUST TO END THE CONVERSATION, THAT WAS BEFORE, I THINK THIS IS GOOD THAT WE'RE MAKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING MULTI MILLION DOLLARS AND I CAN'T CAN YOU HEAR ME BECAUSE I CAN'T MULTI MULTI-MILLION DOLLARS PAY FOR SOME COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT.
THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES THAT PAY, NOT THE TAXPAYER.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO AWAY WITH MONEY AND GOOD FOR THEM.
YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT BUSINESS SHOULD DO.
SO I'M ALL FOR A DEVELOPER WHO IS MAKING MULTI MILLION DOLLARS FROM OUR CITY.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
ARE GIVING BACK TO CHARITIES THAT ASSIST OUR COMMUNITY.
LET ME JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE OR GIVING BACK THE COMMUNITY CENTER ON THE EAST SIDE.
NOT A PARK, A COMMUNITY CENTER.
EVERY TIME A COMMUNITY CENTER COME UP, SOME OF US FIGURE OUT HOW TO BLOW IT DOWN.
WELL, NOW WE HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT'S WILLING TO GIVE MONEY TOWARDS THAT.
AND I THINK ANY DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN SHOULD GIVE MONIES TOWARDS THAT.
GIVE MONEY TO WHATEVER PROJECT THE CITY IS DOING AT THE TIME.
THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CD THAT SOME CD, I GUESS, PUT IN THE COST TO MAINTAIN THAT COMMUNITY COMMON AREA WITHIN THE RESIDENTS TAX BILL THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN MENLO PARK AND SO FORTH.
HAVE CONCERNS THAT NOW THEIR TAXES BECAUSE OF THIS IS HIGHER THAN THEIR ACTUAL MORTGAGE.
THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PAY.
AND I'LL GO OVER THE ONES THAT'S PRESSING TO ME.
BUT I'M GOING TO GO WITH WHATEVER IS ON TOP OF MY HEAD FIRST.
COMMISSIONER. YEAH. SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, GIVES THE DEVELOPER THE AUTHORITY.
IT SAYS THE DEVELOPER SHALL CREATE A CD.
SO WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? AUTHORIZES OR GIVES THE DEVELOPER THE DISCRETION TO CREATE THAT CD, WHICH IS ALSO ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA.
SO THERE'S AN ITEM ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA COMING FORWARD WITH THE CREATION OF A CD, THE ORDINANCE.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GIVES THEM THAT AUTHORITY.
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I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT AUTHORITY.SO IF THAT'S NOT THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION, AND THOSE ARE CHANGES WE NEED TO DISCUSS NOW.
WHAT'S CONTAINED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT, AND I THINK IT READS SPECIFICALLY THAT THE DEVELOPER SHALL BE ALLOWED TO CREATE A CD OR A MASTER ASSOCIATION. SO WITH THAT STRONG LANGUAGE, AND SHOULD THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BE APPROVED, THEN IT MEANS THAT WHEN THAT CD IS CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY, IF YOU ARE AUTHORIZING THEM TO CREATE A CD, THEN WHEN THAT ITEM COMES BEFORE YOU, IT THEN MEANS THAT YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IF YOU'RE AGREEING.
TO ALLOW THEM TO CREATE A CD, WHICH IS WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS.
AND THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING I THINK IT WAS PAGE 14 REGARDING THAT.
COMMISSIONER. DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE? AND I MEAN, JUST. DID HIGHLIGHT IT AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE FIRST TIME.
AT THE BOTTOM ON PAGE 15, IT SAID.
WHERE SHOULD I START? WHERE DOES THE SENTENCE START? JUST KEEP RUNNING. DEVELOPERS AGREE AT DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE.
OR I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT A LAWYER.
IT'S A IN DEFENSE, SUCH ACTION SHALL BE PAYABLE BY A DEVELOPER, PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT THE DEVELOPER OR THE INSURER CARRIER, WHICHEVER IS APPLICABLE, SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPROVE THE CITY'S SELECTION OF LEGAL COUNSEL.
NOW, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT THAT SOUNDS CRAZY.
LIKE IF I'M SUING YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHO I CAN HIRE AS LEGAL COUNSEL.
WHAT? BECAUSE IT WAS A LONG READ.
YEAH. WHAT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THOSE PROVISIONS AT PLACE, BUT APPROVAL SHOULD BE NOT UNREASONABLE, DENIED.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD REASON, A GOOD CAUSE TO DENY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO I'M TELLING MAXINE, YOU KNOW, JUST BUT WITH WITH A PROVISO THAT YOU YOU CAN'T JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THIS FIRM, YOU DENY IT.
SO. WE CAN PUT THAT CAVEAT IN THERE, MAXINE.
OKAY. WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
UM, REGARDING THE RIGHT OF WAYS LIKE 6 TO 14 MONTHS, I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMPLAINT ABOUT 64 UNTIL THEY HAVE AGREEMENT WITH WHOEVER HAVE THE LIGHT POST, WHOEVER OWNED THE LAND, THAT THEY CAN WIDEN A STREET OR SOMETHING.
YOU JUST SAYING THAT? LIKE, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? I'M ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD AND I MET WITH YOU AND AND THE DEVELOPER WAS THE HOUSES ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SHOWED ME THE FIRST TIME.
AND THE HOUSES ARE STILL DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SHOWED ME THE FIRST TIME.
SO NOW I'M FEELING FOOLISH BECAUSE I BELIEVED YOU THAT THE HOUSES WOULD BE THE SAME.
IT'S NOT. YOU TOLD ME THAT THE HOUSES WOULD MATCH THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT.
AND I WENT OUT ON A LIMB TO SAY, LET'S GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
AND THEY HAVEN'T MADE IT RIGHT.
WHATEVER YOU PROMISE IS WHAT YOU SHOULD GIVE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S COMPATIBLE.
IT'S ON THE BOULEVARD. IT'S NOT PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, ALL THE HOMES ARE ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL BE INTERESTED IN REMOVING PART E ALL RIGHT.
I WOULD SAY THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE WHERE THEY BUILD.
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IN ONE CONVERSATION IT WAS SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD THERE.SO NOW IT'S THEIR FOOLISHNESS LIKE THAT.
WELL, IT'S BEEN THERE THE WHOLE.
YEAH, THAT PART HAS BEEN A PART OF THE SITE PLAN.
SO THEY WILL HAVE A THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
THAT'S WHEN YOU WILL SEE THE LOT SIZE, WHAT'S GOING ON EACH POD.
THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT FENCING.
OKAY. WOODLANDS, WHEREAS I WOULD LOVE.
WHILE I KEEP SAYING THAT IN WOODMONT, YOU KNOW, ONLY CERTAIN PEOPLE GET TO BUILD WALLS.
THEY HAVE WALLS. NOW, HOW COME THE REST OF WOODMONT GOING TO HAVE FENCING? LIKE, I MEAN WOODLANDS.
HOW COME THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FENCING? WHY IS IT INCONSISTENT? WHY ARE WE CHANGING? SO YOU MADE IT CONSISTENT AT THE LAST MEETING.
YES. SO IT'S ON THE SAME AGENDA NEXT WEDNESDAY FOR SECOND READING.
SO WITH THAT CHANGE SECTIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.
AND NOW THE NEW SECTION NINE WOULD ALL BE CONSISTENT.
SO EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT ONCE YOU ADOPT THE OVERLAY CHANGE ON WEDNESDAY.
YES. AND DID WE ANSWER THE THING ABOUT ALL THESE LANES, THESE NEW LANES? WHERE IS THE LAND COMING FROM? AND DO WE HAVE AGREEMENT WITH FPNL THAT HAS ALL THESE LIGHT PULSES UP? BECAUSE EVERYWHERE THEY SAID THERE'S LIGHT POLES, RIGHT.
UM, DO WE HAVE AGREEMENT WITH LAUDERHILL IF IT IMPACTS THEM ON 64? YES. SO ON 64, THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS HALF OWNED BY THE CITY.
HALF OWNED BY THE CITY OF LAUDERHILL.
SO SOME NEW LANGUAGE WAS JUST PUT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ENSURE THAT PERMITS ARE SECURED FROM THE CITY OF LAUDERHILL FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S AFFECTING THEIR PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SOMEWHERE THAT SAID, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE COST OF PERMIT.
YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S IN THERE.
IMPACT IMPACT FEES FOR THE FIRE.
IT'S ON FIRE WHERE THEY'RE NOT PAYING BECAUSE THEY ARE THE HOME.
YEAH. WHAT HAPPENED IF NOT, THAT WENT OVER MY HEAD.
WHAT? WHAT DID YOU SAY? THAT THE THE PERMIT FEES WERE WAIVED FOR? OPT IN IN FIRE SPRINKLERS, EVERYONE? NO, NO, JUST FOR THE FIRE INSPECTION PORTION OF THE PERMIT THEY HAVE TO PAY ANYONE IN THIS SITUATION GETS THAT SAME PRIVILEGE.
BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IF THERE'S A PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO PAY.
YES. SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM.
WHICH ONE SHOULD I GO IN NEXT? NOW LET ME FINISH WITH THIS. FIRST WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE.
KIOSKS, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GATES, THAT IT WON'T BE GUARD OPERATED, BECAUSE I GUESS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT, RIGHT? WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN IT? WILL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE HAVE TO MAINTAIN? I THINK THAT CAME UP IN A MEETING PRIOR, BUT IN THIS AGREEMENT, IT SAID WITHIN A YEAR THE RULES CAN CHANGE.
SECTION NINE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE NEW AMENITIES FOR BOOKING THE NEW AMENITIES.
THEY'RE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING ALL THE LAKES THAT THE CITY WILL NOT BE MAINTAINING.
THEY'RE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR REIMBURSING THE CITY FOR THE LAKE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING.
THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE ENTRYWAY, THE CLUBHOUSE.
SO THE NEW SECTION NINE, WHICH IS A 335 HOMES, THEY ARE GOING TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE MAINTENANCE.
AND NONE OF THAT WILL FALL BECAUSE WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE.
MAY I JUMP IN AND SHARE? SURE. OKAY. THE THING THAT I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR A YEAR IS THE CLUBHOUSE DUES.
IF THEY WERE GOING TO USE IF ANYBODY WHO'S NOT IN SECTION NINE IS GOING TO USE THE CLUBHOUSE.
THAT WAS WHAT COULD CHANGE IN A YEAR FOR THE CLUBHOUSE AMENITIES.
IT HAS TO BE PUT IN PLACE IN WRITING THAT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT IS BECAUSE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS WHAT THE HOUSES WERE GOING TO BE.
AND I WANT I WANT TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WOODLANDS.
I WANT TO SEE COME BACK TO ITS PAST GLORY, BUT NOT AT.
AGREEING TO AN AGREEMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE WHAT THEY SAY THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
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WILL THE CURRENT RESIDENTS HAVE? THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ASKED OF ME AND I DON'T KNOW.AND I THINK THIS IS A SIMPLE ASK WILL THEY KNOW WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION SITE IS GOING TO BE? THE HOURS? I'M SURE THE CITY HAVE RULES WHERE THEY CAN ONLY OPERATE DURING A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.
WILL THEY KNOW WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME? WILL ALL THAT BE TOLD AND CAN IT BE PLACED IN THERE? ALL THE SPECIFICS, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN BE GENERIC, PROBABLY WILL BE TOLD TO THE RESIDENTS BY A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.
SO IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT SOME OF THE LAKES WERE GOING TO BE FILLED.
HOW DOES THAT IMPACT? UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE NEW.
BECAUSE THEN WHEN YOU DID THE PRESENTATION, IT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LAKES BEING FILLED.
IT SAID THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LAKES, WHICH THE CITY WILL TAKE OVER ONCE COMPLIANCE IS MET.
BUT IT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CURRENT LAKES BEING FILLED TO BUILD HOMES OR WHATEVER.
I'M NOT SURE. SO WHAT? WHERE DOES THAT FIT IN? YEAH, THEY ARE CREATING NEW NEW WATERWAYS, I THINK.
CAN WE OPEN BACK EXHIBIT? YEAH, THEY'RE CREATING NEW WATERWAYS.
AND EXPANDING, SOME EXISTING, SO NO LEAKS BEING FILLED.
AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER RESIDENTS SAID THAT THERE WERE ENDANGERED SPECIES.
I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH, I WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT.
I WAS JUST LOOKING BACK AT JOHN THERE.
DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONES CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHERE? SOME. SEE.
PORTION OF. DOES THAT IMPACT US NEGATIVELY? DOES IT IMPACT ANY OF THE RESIDENTS? AND WHAT ABOUT THE.
BORING HOUSE. I THINK THEY SAID THE COYOTES THAT EVERYONE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THOSE? YOU HAVE PICTURES OF THESE COYOTES, I GUESS.
CAN I CAN I PLAY WITH YOU AND ASK YOU A QUESTION? NO, DON'T ASK ME. PLEASE.
OKAY. ANYTHING GOING TO BE DONE? ARE WE GOING TO ASK THEM ANYTHING ABOUT THE WILDLIFE? YEAH, THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE AS A PART OF THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT.
I THINK IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NOTHING FOUND.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTS SENDING PICTURES OF FOUND STUFF.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AGAIN.
YEAH. WELL, YEAH, LET'S BRING IT TO THE DEVELOPER'S ATTENTION.
YEAH, BUT THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE AS A PART OF THE LAND USE AMENDMENT.
BUT IF THEY'RE SEEING ANIMALS NOW, LIKE WE SEE ALL OVER THE CITY, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE PROTECTED.
SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? LET US KNOW IF IF THEY'RE PROTECTED, THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW IT DIDN'T SURFACE AS A PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
JUST JUST JUST PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
SEND ME THE PICTURE. THEY'RE FREE.
THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME LAWS.
BUT. THOSE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED.
AND THEREFORE THAT MIGHT BE THEIR PROTECTIVE LOCATION, MIGHT BE IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY STAYING.
SO HOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? YEAH. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY? YEAH, WE'LL CALL ANIMAL CONTROL.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT. AND WHO'S GOING TO.
HAVE THAT. WHO'S GOING TO I GUESS PAY THE COST.
COMMISSIONER. IN THE PAST WE HAD SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE WILD COYOTES AND YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITIES STAND ON THAT HAS BEEN THAT THEY'RE PART OF WILDLIFE IN THIS PART OF THE FLORIDA.
AND SO WE WE DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T ATTRACT THEM BY HAVING FOOD AND WATCHING OVER OUR PETS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ANYTHING ABOUT THE COYOTES, NOTHING OTHER THAN INFORMATION TO, TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THEM AWAY.
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AND THE LICENSE PLATE READERS, BUT I THINK THE CITY MANAGER ALREADY KIND OF SORT OF ADDRESSED THAT.WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS MAINTENANCE? SECTION NINE. SO EVERYTHING IS SECTION NINE.
AND WILL ALL THIS BE TRANSPARENT? I'LL REQUEST THAT ALL THESE FEES BE EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PURCHASING THESE HOUSES, SO THEY DON'T END UP IN PROBLEMS TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THEY REALIZE THEY'RE CARRYING THE BULK.
OF THIS COMMUNITY AND REALIZE THAT IT'S UNFAIR TO THEM.
SO ON WEDNESDAY, EVERYBODY IS HAPPY TO PURCHASE A HOME.
RIGHT. AND THEN YOU REALIZE AFTER YEARS, OH, THIS IS WHAT THAT IS.
THIS IS YEAH, VERY TRANSPARENT.
MAYBE WE SHOULD, BECAUSE AS A NEW HOME OWNER, YOU PUT EVERYTHING IN IT JUST TO FIND OUT YOU HAVE THESE FEES FOR A LIFETIME AND THEN TO FIND OUT YOU CAN'T SELL THE HOME BECAUSE NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT REALLY COST.
SO COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD BE AS A PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENS ON WEDNESDAY.
SO ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY IS THE CREATION OF THE RESERVE AT WOODLANDS, WHICH WE HAVE ASKED TO CHANGE THE NAME SHOULD THIS GO THROUGH ON FIRST READING TO BE WOODLANDS SECTION NINE CD, THE ATTORNEY WILL BE HERE DELIVERING A SHORT PRESENTATION BASED ON THE CREATION PETITION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.
IT'S ABOUT $28 MILLION IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY PLAN ON PUTTING INTO THE COMMUNITY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE MEMORANDUM HAS THREE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, TWO OF WHICH IS IF THE ITEM WERE TO BE APPROVED, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS KEPT ABREAST AND AWARE OF THE FEES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASSESSED TO THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN THE EVENT WE'RE ASKED BY PROPERTY.
NO, BUT I WANT THE PROPERTY TO POSSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO.
EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT WHERE WE SEE IT BEFORE HIM.
BECAUSE THIS IS CONCERNING TO ME.
YES. AND I DON'T WANT ANY YOUNG COUPLE, ANY OLDER PERSON GETTING INTO SOMETHING, GOING INTO RETIREMENT AND REALIZE DOWN THE LINE IT JUST BECOME EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. YEAH.
GOTCHA. SO THAT WHEN THEY MAKE A MISTAKE THEY MADE THEIR OWN MISTAKE.
YES, WE HAVE ASKED AS ONE OF THE CONDITION AS WELL, IS FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THE MARKETING MATERIALS THAT THEY ARE GIVING TO THESE PROPERTY OWNERS SO WE CAN BE BE SURE THAT THEY ARE INFORMING THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND WHAT DO WE DO IF THEY'RE NOT? WELL WITH ALL YOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THAT CAN AFFECT IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, SO THAT CAN AFFECT THE PROJECT OVERALL IF THEY'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH THAT CONDITION.
BUT I MEAN, IN PARAGRAPH 27, IT SAID THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SHALL REVIEW THE PROPERTY SUBJECT AGREEMENT EVERY 12 MONTHS TO SEE IF THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
BUT SHOULDN'T THAT COME TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL? I KNOW WE'VE HAD OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE BUSINESSES HAVE TO COME TO US TO GIVE US UPDATE, TO SEE IF THEY'RE COMPLYING.
AND BASED ON THE PAST RECORD, THE TRACK RECORD OF 13TH FLOOR.
I THINK IT'S GOOD PRACTICE THAT THEY COME TO THE COMMISSION AND WE DECIDE, SINCE WE'RE VOTING ON THIS, SINCE I VOTED YES TO HAVE THIS DONE, THEN I NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE I NEED TO HOLD THEM TO THEIR THEIR AGREEMENT STRICTLY TO THEIR AGREEMENT.
I PREPARE A MEMORANDUM TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPER IS MEETING THEIR OBLIGATION IS EXACTLY WHAT TRANSPIRED WITH WOODMONT WHEN THE MEMORANDUM, THE ONE YEAR REVIEW WAS DONE, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE NOT MEETING THEIR OBLIGATIONS, AND SO THEY WERE IN DEFAULT.
BUT LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, THIS IS NOT WOODMONT.
I WASN'T HERE FOR WOODMONT, DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT TO TURN OUT WONDERFUL.
I THINK IT'S GREAT, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
YEAH. I PREPARE THE THE MEMORANDUM TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE OBLIGATIONS ARE MET.
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SO IT OUTLINES THE AGREEMENT AND IT TALKS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE OBLIGATIONS ARE BEING MET BY THE DEVELOPER.SO YOU COME TO THE MEETING WITH THAT, AND WE MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT? YOU COME TO THE MEETING.
I PROVIDE IT TO YOU. SO I DO AN ASSESSMENT TO SEE DID THEY PAY WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO? DID THEY INSTALL THIS? DID THEY DO WHAT THE AGREEMENT SAID THAT THEY WOULD DO AT THE TIME THEY WOULD DO IT.
BUT IT'S A VERY DETAILED MEMORANDUM, NOT ONLY ABOUT THE PAYMENT, ABOUT THE THINGS THEY'RE DOING THAT'S RIGHT FOR THE RESIDENTS, WHAT THEY'RE NOT DOING FOR THE RESIDENTS. THAT'S CORRECT.
ALL THE OBLIGATIONS ARE ASSESSED.
OKAY. ON THE PRESENTATION YOU DID TODAY, IT SAID, I'M ON PAGE THREE WHERE IT SAID THE RECREATIONAL RECREATIONAL POD IMPROVEMENT.
CAN WE HAVE A BASKETBALL COURT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT.
WHY ARE WE HAVING TWO TENNIS COURTS? JUST ASK, YOU KNOW.
CAN WE HAVE THAT? IT SAYS A CAFE.
ONE CAFE. WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? I MEAN, I KNOW A CAFETERIA CAFE, BUT WHAT WHAT DOES THIS ENTAILS? IT'S LIKE TO GET, LIKE, COFFEES AND LIKE BREAKFAST SANDWICHES OR JUST SOMETHING SMALL, LIKE A SMALL CAFE THAT YOU WOULD FIND ELSEWHERE.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT, YES, WITHOUT A KITCHEN.
SO HOW THAT WORKS, HOW THAT WORKS.
HOW YOU MAKE SANDWICHES AND COFFEE AND STUFF WITHOUT A KITCHEN.
SO THE COFFEE GONNA BE COLD? NO NO NO NO NO. KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE HAVE MEETINGS.
YEAH. YOU HAVE THAT HOT POT WHERE YOU.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A RESIDENT TOLD ME WAS, AND I VERIFIED AND IT IS TRUE, THE NEW FACILITY IS ABOUT 8000FT².
HOWEVER, THE HOUSES IN THAT AREA IS ABOUT 6000 PLUS.
SO THIS FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE NEW PEOPLE.
RIGHT. 300 AND SOMETHING HOMES I THINK MIGHT BE OFF.
WHICH PROBABLY HAVE MORE THAN ONE PEOPLE, PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR.
ALL THE OLD PEOPLE IF THEY BECAME OLDER RESIDENTS, IF THEY STAY IN.
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FACILITY THE SIZE OF A HOUSE.
THE MINIMUM IT'S THE 8000FT² IS MINIMUM I CAN GET.
THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
LET ME GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO HIGHER THAN THAT. SO IT COULD GO 8001.
SEE THAT THAT RIGHT THERE I'M SORRY MISS I CAN'T.
PUT IT AWAY. OKAY, BUT THEN I HAVE TO DO THIS.
JUST LIKE I TRUST SEARCHING FOR.
OKAY. WHY? WHY? A MALE KIOSK, RIGHT? AND I KNOW NEW COMMUNITIES HAVE THAT.
ESPECIALLY ZERO. LOTS HAVE THAT.
BUT THE REST OF AGAIN, WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO COME IN AND BE LIKE THE WOODLANDS.
NOWHERE ELSE IN THE WOODLANDS DO THEY HAVE THAT.
SO WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? IT'S PROBABLY MORE CONVENIENT AND IT'S MORE NOT EVEN CONVENIENT BECAUSE IF I LIVE, I WANT MY MAIL AT MY HOUSE.
I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE NOWHERE TO GO GET MY MAIL OR WALK ANYWHERE.
WE'RE PROBABLY DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER.
BUT AGAIN, YOU PROMISED THAT I VOTED ON THE PROMISE THAT IT WILL.
BE THE SAME AS THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S NOT THE SAME.
YEAH, AND THE DEVELOPER WILL EXPLAIN IT, BUT OFTEN TIMES THEY HAVE NO CONTROL.
THEY WORK WITH THE POST OFFICE.
NEW COMMUNITIES ARE BEING BUILT WHERE THERE'S A KIOSK AND YOU RETRIEVE YOUR MAIL FROM THERE.
SO AS A PART OF THE SITE PLAN ON WEDNESDAY, WHAT THE PROMISE WAS, WHATEVER THEY PUT IN, GOING TO FIT THAT COMMUNITY, CULTURE AND ENVIRONMENT.
ASKED YOU ABOUT THE BASKETBALL COURT.
I THINK WE NEED A BASKETBALL COURT.
FORGIVE ME, IT'S LATE, I KNOW.
YEAH, THAT PARK AND I SAW AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
LEGACY. SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
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SO WHY ISN'T IT INCLUDED HERE? AND A SEATING AREA.AND I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CDC AND THE EXTRA TAX.
OKAY. THIS IS THE PART WHERE YOU SAID INTERNAL ROADWAYS.
AND FORGIVE ME, I KNOW A LITTLE, BUT NOT MAYBE ENOUGH.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WIDEN THAT STREET TO MAKE IT TWO LANE WHEN IT'S CURRENTLY ONE? AND THEN ON THERE PEOPLE HOUSES ON THE ON THE OTHER PART.
THEY'RE NOT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOO LATE BECAUSE IT SAYS TOO LATE OR IT SAYS.
IT USED TO BE. SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO.
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE LAND TO MAKE IT? TWO LANES. IT'S.
SO ON WEDNESDAY'S PRESENTATION, THE LAST ITEM IS THE MAJOR REVISED SITE PLAN, WHEN THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE DETAIL PRESENTATION SHOWING YOU ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, INCLUDING, OF COURSE, THE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE HOMES.
BUT FORGIVE ME IF I CAN'T READ IT ON PAGE NINE, I THINK.
BECAUSE I SPENT A LONG DAY PROJECT BUFFERS, FENCE AND WALL.
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE ASKED THAT.
YOU SAID THEY DO A SOFT BUFFER, BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE EVERYBODY THAT PRIVILEGE TO DO A SOFT BUFFER.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU COULD GO OVER THAT, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WILL BE GATED.
BUT I USE THE TERM SOFT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE OPEN TO.
I'M JUST ASKING FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION.
THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS ARE GOING TO BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
AND SO WHAT? THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS ARE GOING TO BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
SO I WOULD AND I MIGHT BE WRONG.
IF IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY, THE CITY NO LONGER.
IT'S PROBABLY WRONG. SO HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THIS WON'T BE GATED IN THE SENSE OF GATED COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHY I USE THE TERM SOFT GATED, MEANING THAT THE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GATED COMMUNITY AND A SOFT GATED COMMUNITY WILL HAVE THE APPEARANCE AS THOUGH IT IS GATED.
BUT IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC PULLS UP, YOU STILL CAN HAVE ACCESS.
IT JUST READS YOUR AM I A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AS A REGULAR RESIDENT, IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN STILL ACCESS THE ROADWAY SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO IN THROUGH THE GATE. IT WILL.
SO IT'S JUST A GATE, BUT ANYBODY CAN GO IN.
AT ANY POINT DOES IT BECOME SAY AT MIDNIGHT? IT'S NO LONGER IT CANNOT BE BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE THAT WAY.
IT HAS TO. SO THAT WOULD MEAN.
ANYONE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THE STREET.
SO JUST CLARIFYING AS A PUBLIC STREET AND THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO ENTRY.
SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN WALK IN THE PUBLIC AREA, BUT YOU CAN'T ENTER INTO PEOPLE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
RIGHT. SO AND MOST OF THOSE SOFT GATED COMMUNITY, I THINK IT WAS STATED EARLIER, HAVE A CAMERA MECHANISM WHERE TAG READERS WOULD BASICALLY TAKE PICTURES OF THE VEHICLES THAT'S ENTERING THE PROPERTY, AND SOME GATED COMMUNITY, ALSO A GATED COMMUNITY.
THEY DO HAVE A SECURITY GUARD, BUT ALL HE'S DOING IS DETERRENCE.
HE'S NOT. HE CAN'T STOP NOTHING.
SO? SO THAT MEANS ANY COMMUNITY, INCLUDING MINE, COULD PUT UP A SOFT GATE.
SO ANY COMMUNITY OUT THERE, YOU CAN PUT UP A SOFT GATE TO DETER CRIMINALS.
THERE'S A PROCESS? YEAH, BUT IT SHOULD BE THE SAME PROCESS THAT THE WOODLAND IS GETTING.
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TO GET THIS SOFT GATE.THE WOODLAND IS BREAKING NEW GROUND.
OKAY. I THINK I'M DONE WITH THIS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE THE MAIN MY MAIN THING WAS THE STREETS.
I HAD ANOTHER PAPER WITH SOME MORE QUESTIONS.
WAS THERE. IS THERE STILL GOING TO BE A BIKE LANE? I SEE IT ON SOME DRAWING, BUT NOW I DON'T KNOW WHICH DRAWING IS OLD, WHICH DRAWING IS NEW, OR IF IT'S THE SAME DRAWING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
NOT ON WOODLANDS BOULEVARD, BUT ONCE AGAIN THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY'LL PRESENT ON WEDNESDAY. YOU WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? ME? YEAH. WHY? I WANT TO HEAR THAT ANSWER ONE MORE TIME.
YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THE BIKE LANE.
OH, I THOUGHT SHE'S A NEW BIKE LANE.
THE BIKE LANE ON WOODLAND BOULEVARD IS REMAINING.
YES. OKAY. THE BIKE LANE ON WILL REMAIN.
OKAY. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO LANES BECAUSE YOU SAID TWO LANES WERE THERE BEFORE.
THEY DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS CHANGED TO A TWO LANE.
CAN WE SHOW SEE THE PICTURE OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE? YEAH. OF WHAT? OF THE. OF THE ROADWAYS.
A ROADWAY PICTURE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YOUR BEST. YOUR WOODLANDS.
THERE'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS NO CHANGE.
NO. SEE, THAT'S WHY IT'S CONFUSING.
SOMETIMES IT SAY ON SOME PICTURES AND THEN IT DON'T SAY IT ON WOODLANDS BOULEVARD.
NO, NEW BYPASS IS A BIKE PARK.
THERE IS A BIKE PATH ALREADY THERE.
OKAY, SO THEY'LL SHOW US ON WEDNESDAY, THOUGH, EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
THERE ARE SOME. ARE THEY REQUIRED? UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, WHAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE COMMISSION FOR, FOR PERMISSION OR UPDATES AND WHAT THEY GO DIRECTLY TO THE CITY FOR.
AS IT WITHOUT US BEING A PART OF IT MOVING FORWARD.
SO AS IT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THERE BEFORE YOU ON WEDNESDAY FOR SECOND READING, SHOULD THAT BE APPROVED, THEN THEY ARE ALSO BEFORE YOU ON WEDNESDAY FOR THE CREATION OF THE CDS, CD, THE LAND USE AMENDMENT, WHICH IS THAT ADDITIONAL 110 ACRES THAT THE COUNTY HAS ACCESS TO, PUT AN ADDITIONAL RESTRICTION ON TO MAKE SURE IT'S JUST RECREATION AS WELL AS A SITE PLAN, SHOULD ALL THOSE ITEMS BE APPROVED, SPECIFICALLY THE SITE PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS THAT IF THERE ARE ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN AND YOUR CODE ALREADY GOVERNS WHAT CONSTITUTES A MAJOR CHANGE AND A MINOR CHANGE, IF THERE'S A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE SITE PLAN, THEY'RE BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION. THAT CANNOT BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT'S MAJOR AND MINOR? THE CODE ALREADY PROVIDES FOR THAT.
SO THE CODE ALREADY HAS A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT ALREADY CITES THAT CODE SECTION.
IF THEY'RE REDUCING PARKING, IF THEY'RE CHANGING THE ELEVATION, THE LOOKS OF THE HOMES, UM, IF THEY ARE REDUCING LANDSCAPING, IF THEY'RE REDUCING PARKING, IF I HAVEN'T ALREADY SAID THAT, THEN THESE ARE CONSIDERED MAJOR CHANGES WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION CHANGING. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
THE ELEVATION OF THE HOME, WHICH THEY DID, IT NEVER CAME TO US.
RIGHT. THEY SOLD A PROJECT BASED ON THOSE PICTURES THEY GAVE.
THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK YOU.
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WELL, FOR THE SECOND PERCENTAGE, NOT NECESSARILY A HARD NUMBER THAT WE SAW.RIGHT. WHAT THEY WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
SO IT'S WATER, SEWER, THE ROAD, THE LANDSCAPING.
SO WE KNOW THAT'S $28 MILLION THAT THEY THINK THE COST TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY BELIEVE IT WILL BE LESS ONCE THEY HAVE GONE OUT TO BOND.
AND THEY GET THESE THESE BONDS AND THEY START CONSTRUCTION.
THERE ARE SOME VERBIAGE SOMEWHERE THAT STATED.
I THINK IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS THEY SAID.
IT'S COMMON FOR THEM TO SELL THE PROJECT.
RIGHT. WHICH MY GUESS IS BUSINESS.
WHATEVER. HOW WILL THE RESIDENT HAVE RECOURSE IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG? DO WE GET INVOLVED IN THAT? BECAUSE LIKE, I'M LEARNING EVERY LITTLE PROBLEM RESIDENTS HAVE.
WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE A PART OF IT OR WE CAN ASSIST, IS THERE A RECOURSE FOR THEM, SAY 13 FOR CELLS, THE PROJECT? WHAT'S THEIR RECOURSE? SO 13 FOR WERE TO SELL THE PROJECT.
IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO ALL THESE OBLIGATIONS, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE AGREEING TO THIS AGREEMENT IS FOR A TEN YEAR PERIOD.
I'M SORRY WHAT YOU SAID. UH HUH.
SO WHAT HAPPENS? SO THERE'S WARRANTY ON THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE IT COME OVER TO THE CITY AS IT RELATES TO THE HOME, IT'S BASED ON THAT BUYER TALKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF DEFECT IN THE HOME.
THE CITY WOULD NOT GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW THEY'LL CALL RIGHT OR.
VICE MAYOR. TIME FOR MY ONE HOUR.
OKAY. UM, IS THE CD MISS CALLAWAY THAT THAT PIECE ON WEDNESDAY? IS IT LEGISLATIVE? UH, YES IT IS.
SO THE ONLY QUASI JUDICIAL PIECE IS JUST THE SITE PLAN.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, BUT THE CD IS TWO READINGS.
IT HAS TO BE CREATED BY ORDINANCE.
SORRY. IT'S A LITTLE OVER LIFESPAN.
DEAD, ACTUALLY. SHOULD WE TAKE.
YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU GUYS PLAY TOO MANY GAMES AND IT'S DISRESPECTFUL.
GET YOUR REAR IN A SEAT AND LET'S GO, VICE MAYOR.
I'LL LAUGH YOUR WAY ALL THE WAY.
BUT YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO SHOW RESPECT TO THE COMMUNITY.
THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE. READY? GET GOING.
PROCEED. I THINK ALL OF US ARE TIRED.
WELL, HAVING HAD A FULL HYSTERECTOMY, I DON'T HAVE THAT TIME OF MONTH ANYMORE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN.
ALL RIGHT, SO, MS.. CALLOWAY, YOU SAID THAT THE CDP IS LEGISLATIVE.
YOU THE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS ALSO LEGISLATIVE.
AND THE SITE PLAN IS QUASI JUDICIAL.
SO BEAR WITH ME IF THE PAGES ARE A LITTLE BIT OFF.
I WENT THROUGH AND I HIGHLIGHTED ON THE NEW ONE.
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ACCEPTABLE ACCESSORY USES.WHAT ARE THE ACCEPTABLE ACCESSORY USES? ACCESSORY USES ARE THOSE THAT ARE INCIDENTAL TO A PRIMARY USE.
YOUR WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT? CONSTRUCTION. AND I THINK IT'S YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES.
YOUR. SALES, LEASING OFFICES, THE MARKETING OFFICE, THE CONSTRUCTION AND OFFICES.
THOSE ARE CONSIDERED INCIDENTAL.
PLAN AS MAY BE AMENDED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY AND ATTACHED HERETO.
EXHIBIT B, WHO APPROVES THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENTS? THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE.
AND I SHOULD JUST. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY COMPUTER SO I COULD READ FOR YOU.
WHAT'S A MAJOR AMENDMENT? WHAT'S A MINOR AMENDMENT? AND ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE OR CONSEQUENCE IS NORMALLY UNDER MAJOR THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
OKAY, SO JUST HOLD ON A SECOND.
CAN YOU MAKE SURE IT SAYS CITY COMMISSION? ARE YOU UNDER JUST SO I CAN FOLLOW? VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU UNDER PERMITTED USE? IF YOU CAN TELL ME THE HEADING AS WELL IN THE PAGE, IT'S UNDER WITNESS.
AND IT SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE MINOR AND MAJOR CITY COMMISSION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE MISCONSTRUED WHERE CITY MEANS MAXINE CALLOWAY OFFICE.
WELL. THIS IS WHAT I'M JUST GOING TO OFFER.
I THINK THIS LANGUAGE IS GENERAL BECAUSE THE PROVISION DOES GIVE ME DISCRETION IF IT'S MINOR.
SO WHEN IT SAYS A CITY, BECAUSE THERE'S A PROVISION THAT DESCRIBES WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE MAJOR INCOME BEFORE YOU AND WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE MINOR AND THEN IS ADMINISTRATIVE, I THINK THAT'S WHY THIS WHEREAS SAYS CITY IN GENERAL, BECAUSE THEN THERE IS A PROVISION THAT GOVERNS WHAT COMES TO YOU AND THEN WHAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE.
SO CITY COMMISSION ON THAT SECTION? YES IT DOES.
IT SAYS CITY COMMISSION AND THEN IT SAYS MINOR ADMINISTRATIVE ABOUT IT.
HONESTLY WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING JUST JUST A SIMPLE EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS MAJOR AND MINOR.
I KNOW THE CODE SPECIFICALLY STATE, BUT YOU HAVE A DENSITY NUMBER OF 335 UNITS.
SO ANYTHING THAT CHANGED THAT DENSITY UP OR DOWN, IT WILL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
VESTED RIGHTS FOR DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
ALL OBLIGATIONS ESTABLISHED HEREIN ARE APPLICABLE UPON COMMENCING DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT.
UM. HOW MANY YEARS WILL IT TAKE TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT? THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS FOR TEN YEARS.
AND THEN IT'S SUBJECT TO ANNUAL EXTENSIONS AFTER THE TEN YEARS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.
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ALL RIGHT. PAGE FOUR.I THINK I'D BE UNDER SECTION FOUR.
ACCESSORY COMMERCIAL USES ONLY FOLLOWS SALES, LEASING, MARKETING, CONSTRUCTION AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, INCLUDING THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, AS WELL AS THE CLUBHOUSE AMENITY CAMPUS LOCATED AT THE RECREATION POD, WHICH MAY INCLUDE ROOMS AND FACILITIES WHICH MAY BE RENTED BY RESIDENTS WITHIN THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY, AND A CAFE WITH A MINIMUM 160 ACRES OPEN SPACE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT ARE THAT'S THAT'S HERE.
THAT IS. JUST ABOUT JUST ABOVE NUMBER FIVE.
SO WHY ISN'T WHY DOESN'T THE CITY COMMISSION GET TO REVIEW APPROVE THE DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS? YOU DO. IT'S EXHIBIT G IN YOUR PACKET, AND WE CAN BRING IT UP NOW.
IT'S A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS SHALL BE LIMITED.
SHALL BE A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 54FT AND THE MINIMUM LOT DEPTH DEPTH OF 100FT. THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS SHALL BE DEVELOPED WITH MODERN CENTURY MODERN LIKE ARCHITECTURE, AS IDENTIFIED ON THE CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS ATTACHED HERETO AS EXHIBIT C.
WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING HOMES? AND MID-CENTURY MODERN IS NOT DEFINED.
ALL RIGHT. SO THE EXISTING HOME IT VARIES.
IT'S THIS IS PRETTY MUCH COMPATIBLE WITH THE ZONING DESIGNATION WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL ESTATE.
IT VARIES ANYWHERE FROM YOU HAVE SMALLER LOTS IN THAT COMMUNITY, SMALLER THAN THE 100 BY 54.
AND YOU HAVE SOME LARGER LOTS AS WELL.
SO THERE'S SOME VARIATION AS IT RELATES TO THE MID-CENTURY MODERN.
THERE'S AN EXHIBIT I DON'T IF YOU CAN PULL UP EXHIBIT C AND THE EXHIBIT WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE MID MODERN DESIGN IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HOMES IN THE WOODLANDS.
WOULD YOU NOT AGREE? WE WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SAW SOME LEVEL OF VARIETY AND COMPATIBILITY.
YOU CAN SCROLL. YEAH, WE WORKED HARD FOR THAT.
WE THINK THAT THEY ARE, ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT THE BEST.
ELEVATION AS A PART OF THE SITE PLAN.
THEY'LL HAVE SOME NICE I WANT TO SHOW YOU, BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT INCORPORATES SOME ELEMENTS.
WE WANTED THE PRODUCT TO HAVE SOME MODERN FEATURES, AND WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT MID-CENTURY AS WELL, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE IN THE WOODLANDS, BUT NOT HAVE IT LOOK IDENTICAL TO SOME OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE.
SO WE THINK WE THINK WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT.
YOU CAN SCROLL SOME MORE, SCROLL DOWN SOME MORE SO YOU CAN JUST SEE.
THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE SOME OF THE VENEERS OR THE BRICKS THAT YOU SEE IN THE WOODLANDS.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE THE PITCH IN THE ROOF THAT YOU SEE THERE AS WELL.
AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PURPOSES.
BUT WE THINK WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT AS A PART OF THE DRC PROCESS.
YEAH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THOSE HOMES LOOK LIKE SOME OLDER HOMES IN PORT SAINT LUCIE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
SO I HOPE IT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT.
PAGE NUMBER FIVE AT THE VERY TOP.
AND I THINK THIS IS I HIGHLIGHTED THIS WHEN COMMISSIONER WHEN DR.
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DANIEL WAS TALKING ABOUT FEES, THE CITY AGREES TO WAIVE ANY AND ALL FIRE SPRINKLER AND INSPECTION FEES, FIRE RESCUE PLAN, REVIEW FEES, FIRE CONTROL VALVE BACKFLOW INSPECTION FEES AND FIRE RESCUE PERMIT FEES IN CONNECTION TO THE INSTALLATION OF FIRE SPRINKLERS WITHIN THE PROJECT, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RELIEF FROM APPLICABLE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT INCLUDES HYDRANT SEPARATION, STABILIZING STABILIZED ACCESS, ETCETERA, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE CITY CODE AND FIRE CODE IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE NEW RESIDENTS TO LOCATE.WHY WOULD THE CITY WAIVE THIS REVENUE SOURCE AND WHO IS BEARING THE COST OF THIS? AND IF AND I CAN TELL YOU, IF THIS STAYS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I WILL BURN IT.
COSTS OF OF FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES GO UP IN THE CITY.
TO THE RESIDENTS, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT IS MAKING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE MAKING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
WHAT ASSETS DO THEY HAVE? I DON'T KNOW. SO MAYBE THIS COMPANY IS BROKE.
SO IF THEY HAVE THE MONEY, THEY NEED TO PAY FOR IT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CITY MANAGER.
I WANT YOU WITH CONSENSUS TO GO BACK TO THIS DEVELOPER AND TELL THEM THAT I AM NOT.
AND I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES ARE NOT AMENABLE TO WAIVING ANY OF THESE FEES.
WHEN OUR RESIDENTS JUST PAID A HIGHER FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE FOR WHAT? OH, NO.
I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY MANAGER.
OH, GO RIGHT AHEAD. YOU'RE THE MAYOR.
VICE MAYOR. I HAD THE EXACT SAME REACTION WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT.
AND THEN I MET WITH THE WITH TOMMY DIMOPOULOS AND AND MS..
SO THE TOTAL VALUE OF THAT INSPECTION PACKAGE, I BELIEVE, IS AROUND $300.
IT'S VERY IT'S LIKE I THINK YOU SAID $50 PER UNIT OR 50 OR $80, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S MINUSCULE, BUT THE BENEFIT THAT IT MAY PROVIDE, IF THE OWNER OF THAT UNIT IS OPTING IN FOR THAT SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS TREMENDOUS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT ADDS COST TO THE PER UNIT IS ABOUT $50, 50 TO $80.
HOW MANY HOW MANY UNITS? 335 ONLY.
ONLY IF THEY OPT IN FOR THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
THAT'S CORRECT. THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE HOMES WILL BE BUILT SPRINKLER UNLESS THE PROPERTY OWNER OPT OUT AND THE THE SPRINKLER SPRINKLER IN A HOME IS VERY, VERY COSTLY.
AND IT'S A GREAT INCENTIVE, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO, TO HAVE A HOME WITH A SPRINKLER SYSTEM BECAUSE IT TRULY IS THE BEST PROTECTION ONE CAN HAVE FOR FOR UNEXPECTED FIRE SITUATIONS.
THAT OPTION AS WELL, THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY THIS PERMIT FEE.
WE DID WITH THE PASS TAMARAC VILLAGE.
YOU HAD LEGACY OF ALL YOU HAVE PULTE.
YOU HAVE THE ONE. WE JUST WENT TO THE GRAND OPENING.
THAT IS LEGACY. SO OUR FIRE MARSHAL IS A MEMBER OF OUR DRC COMMITTEE.
AT LEAST ALL THOSE PAST DEVELOPERS GET THIS OFFER.
THEY GET THE SAME OFFER, BUT THEY HAVE NOT ACCEPTED IT BECAUSE OF THE COST OF SPRINKLER HOME.
I KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
THE COST. I BELIEVE IT ADDS AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, 10 TO $12,000 PER PER HOME AT LEAST.
YEAH, HE TRIED TO DO IT WITH THE POOL CONSTRUCTION.
THEY WOULDN'T. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S VERY COSTLY FOR THE DEVELOPER.
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YEAH. BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.BUT AS IT IS NOW, IT HAS TO BE NEGOTIATED AND OFFER SOME CONCESSION TO THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THESE HOMES ARE BUILT WITH THE SYSTEM THAT EVERY DEVELOPER THAT CAME THROUGH THE CITY THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAD THAT OFFER THE SAME OFFER.
OKAY, SO MAYBE I WON'T BURN IT.
TRUST ME, HE WANTS A SPRINKLER.
EVERYTHING OKAY? ONLY FOR YOU. RIGHT.
JOHN, YOU'VE BEEN WITNESS, RIGHT? EVERY DRC MEETING.
OKAY. THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT PLAN AND USES FOR THE RECREATIONAL PAD SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY.
THROUGH THE FORMAL CITY SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.
THAT'S CORRECT, VICE MAYOR. SO THAT'S THE ONE.
WHY IS IT NOT SUBJECT TO THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL? YEAH, THIS THE SITE PLAN PROCESS DOES COME BEFORE YOU.
SO THEY HAVE ALREADY MADE AN APPLICATION FOR THE AMENITY POD.
IT'S ALREADY BEING REVIEWED BY DRC.
IT'S PROJECTED TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT JANUARY AND THEN COME TO YOU IN FEBRUARY.
THOUGHT THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO BE HERE TODAY.
IT'S NOT TYPICAL OF THE DEVELOPER TO COME.
MR. LOUIS. IS NOT TYPICAL OF THE DEVELOPER TO COME TO A WORKSHOP.
OH, THE MAYOR HAS YOU UNDER PRESSURE.
NO. NO ONE ASKS ME UNDER PRESSURE.
SECTION NINE, AS DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH NINE, SHALL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR COORDINATING AND SCHEDULING USE OF THE CLUBHOUSE AND AMENITY AMENITY CAMPUS FOR RESIDENTS AND GUESTS OF THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY.
SALES LEASING MARKETING OFFICES SHALL END UPON COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
SO SECTION NINE SETS THE RULES FOR THE CLUBHOUSE AND AMENITY CAMPUS USES.
YES, THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE SEED AND THE OWNERSHIP OF THESE AMENITIES WILL VEST WITH THEM.
JUST SO YOU KNOW. CD IS A TRIGGER FOR ME.
BECAUSE YEARS AGO IT WAS MAYOR GOMEZ AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME THAT APPROVED THE CD FOR CENTRAL PARK AND MEADOW PARK AND HIDDEN TRAILS. AND NOW THEY ARE BEARING THE BRUNT LIVING THROUGH THAT MESS.
IF I WERE ON THE CITY COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, I WOULD NOT HAVE APPROVED IT.
AND YOU AND YOU BEST BELIEVE THAT ON WEDNESDAY.
I'M NOT INCLINED TO APPROVE A CD.
I KNOW 13 FLOORS LISTENING SOMEWHERE IN VIRTUAL LAND.
AND I WOULDN'T SUGGEST ANY OF THIS.
I'M NOT DOING IT. OH! BE QUIET. UM.
OH, YOU'VE BEEN THREATENING ME ALL DAY.
DURING YOUR ONE HOUR SPEECH MONOLOGUE, MINOR SITE PLAN, MINOR CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.
WHERE ARE YOU NOW? NUMBER SEVEN.
I WAS THROWN ON BY CASPER THE FRIENDLY GHOST.
NUMBER 7.1, SEVEN POINT WHERE? GOTTA BE CAREFUL. THEN GO AHEAD AND SPREAD ALL YOUR FEAR IN A WINDOW.
YOU HAD YOU HAD YOUR YOU HAD YOUR TIME.
YEAH. MINOR CHANGES, PAGE SEVEN AT THE BOTTOM.
MINOR CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN ARE PERMITTED IN ORDER TO ADDRESS TECHNICAL COMMENTS FROM THE CITY STAFF, AND TO CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH SECTION TEN, DASH 5.4, BLAH, BLAH BLAH OF THE CITY'S LDC.
SO SITE PLAN CHANGES ARE CONSIDERED MINOR.
YES, AND THAT'S THE CODE PROVISION I REFERENCED.
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BUT IF YOU LOOK FURTHER UP IN THAT SAME PROVISION, YOU'LL SEE IT SAYS THERE SHALL BE NO SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE SITE PLAN WITHOUT FURTHER REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION TEN DASH 5.4 H2C.WHAT'S MY QUESTION? OH, I'M SORRY, I JUST.
OKAY. YOU SOUNDED LIKE THE MAYOR FOR A MINUTE THERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO SITE PLANS OR SITE PLANS ARE, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN CHANGES WHICH ARE CONSIDERED MINOR, WHICH ARE APPROVED BY STAFF WITHOUT THE CITY COMMISSION REVIEW.
UM, THE COSTS ARE BORNE BY THE CDD.
NO. WHO'S WHO'S THE COST BORNE BY.
SO THE APPLICANT FOR ANY MINOR CHANGES OR A SITE PLAN.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS STILL ONGOING.
SO THAT WOULD BE FILED NOT NECESSARILY BY THE CD BE FILED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND WHOEVER FILES THE APPLICATION IS BEARING THE COST.
I DON'T HAVE A LAW DEGREE FROM 20 YEARS AGO.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I. OH MY GOD.
NO CATS IS SITTING RIGHT HERE.
JUST. BUT AT LEAST HE THOUGHT IT WAS FRIENDLY.
IT'S NEVER APPROPRIATE. YEAH, BUT IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT YOU MAKE THE DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER OUT TO BE CAMPAIGNING WITH FUNDS FROM A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT'S OKAY FOR YOU TO SPREAD INNUENDOS AND LIES, BUT IT'S NOT.
NO, I DID NOT. THAT IS YOUR FACTS.
YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINIONS, BUT YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO YOUR FACTS.
SO, SO LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S STOP IT THERE.
YEAH. WELL, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT SAID YOU FLY ON A BROOMSTICK.
SO THOSE ARE YOUR COMMENTS, NOT MINE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I WAS.
SO IF YOU JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT.
SECTION NINE, A NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SECTION NINE SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE.
OKAY. THE SECTION NINE SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
SO SOLE COST AND EXPENSE, THE MAINTENANCE OF AND REQUIRED AND REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS TO ALL NEW COMMON AREAS AS A RESULT OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING THE AMENITY CAMPUS.
WHAT IS THE GROSS VALUE OF THIS MAINTENANCE PER HOME? IN THAT SECTION. SECTION NINE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING? WHAT IS WHAT IS THE GROSS DOLLAR VALUE OF THE MAINTENANCE PER HOME? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M.
YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M RESPONSIVE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RELATED TO THE ASSESSMENT THAT WILL BE PLACED ON PROSPECTIVE OWNERS AS A RESULT OF THE CD, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE AN HOA FEE THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
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THAT IS SEPARATE FROM A CDD ASSESSMENT.SHOULD THE CDD BE APPROVED AND WHAT THAT WILL BE.
THERE'S AN OPTION IF YOU WANT TO.
AND WHAT MY READING IS, IS AN OPTION TO DO ONE OR BOTH.
YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE A CD AND HAVE NO HOA.
YOU CAN HAVE AN HOA AND NO CD OR YOU CAN HAVE THE COMBINATION PLATE OF BOTH.
SO IF THE DEVELOPER ELECTS TO DO THE COMBINATION AND THE CD IS ALSO SERVING AS THE HOA IN THE CD PETITION DOCUMENT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO US, THEY ARE TELLING US THAT IT'S NOT TO EXCEED $6,000 ANNUALLY, IS THEIR ASSESSMENT? $6,000. JUST LIKE CENTRAL PARK METROPARK PARK TRAILS THAT IS LOOKING AT A CD FOR ABOUT 6000 706,000, 7000, $8,000 PER YEAR PLUS THEIR TAXES.
AND THESE HOMES, ACCORDING TO 13TH FLOOR, WILL BE UP TO $1 MILLION.
SO THEIR TAXES AND CD PROBABLY WILL BE ABOUT $20,000 A YEAR.
YEAH. FIRST, YOU HAVE TO AFFORD TO BE ABLE TO BUY THOSE HOMES.
YOU KNOW. THE THE THE RESIDENTS OF CENTRAL PARK, MENLO PARK AND TRAILS.
BUT THEY WERE PAYING TAXES ON THE PRICE OF THEIR LAND.
AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR THEY ARE CAUGHT WITH THIS BIG BILL.
AND EVERYBODY SAID, OH, WE WEREN'T TOLD THAT WE WERE ENTERING INTO A CD.
SO THERE HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE DR.
DANIEL SAY, OKAY, HOW DO YOU TELL THE RESIDENTS THIS? DO YOU CAN WE REQUIRE THEM TO MAYBE PUT A RED PIECE OF PAPER IN FRONT OF THE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS, SIGN HERE, YOU'RE ENTERING INTO A CD, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, OR TRUTH IN CD INITIATIVE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONTRACT AND FINE PRINT.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO? YEAH. EXACTLY.
AND WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WITH THE CENTRAL PARK PROJECT, WHERE THE CITY WOULD GET THE COMPLAINTS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE BUYING INTO THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEY WERE TELLING US THAT THEY WERE UNAWARE THERE WAS A CD.
SO WE DO HAVE THREE CONDITIONS IN THE MEMORANDUM AS A PART OF THIS APPLICATION, ONE OF THEM BEING THAT THEY NEED TO PROVIDE TO THE CITY THE MARKETING MATERIAL THAT THEY ARE GOING TO USE TO ALERT PROPERTY OWNERS, PROSPECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS, OF THE COST OF BUYING INTO THAT COMMUNITY.
THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THAT TO US.
WE WANT THEM TO ALSO PROVIDE TO US ANNUALLY WHAT THE COSTS OF THE ASSESSMENT IS.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE SECOND CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
THE RECREATION TRAIL AND ALL OTHER PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION AND CONNECTIVITY IS IDENTIFIED ON THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY PLAN ATTACHED HERETO.
SO RECREATION TRAILS DETAILS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION DETAILS.
SO TELL ME IF YOU WOULD AGREE OR NOT AND WHY.
CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? WHAT PART OF THE TRAILS ARE NOT? MS.. GALLOWAY DID YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION? SO YOU'RE IDENTIFYING FOR ME NOW THAT THE RECREATION TRAIL EXHIBIT, WHICH IS EXHIBIT Q, IS INCONSISTENT WITH PORTIONS OF THE SITE PLAN? YES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE INCONSISTENCIES ARE, BUT I WILL FIND OUT AND TRY TO RESOLVE THAT.
EXACTLY. BECAUSE YOU'RE THE STAFF PERSON THAT IS TALKING TO SCOTT BACHMAN OR 13 OR WHOEVER IT IS.
I'M NOT ASKING ANY QUESTIONS OF ANY OTHER PERSON ON THIS DAIS BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, THEY ARE NOT THE DEVELOPER OR MAYBE THEY ARE OR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR MAYBE YOU ARE.
MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE CLOSING AGENT.
OH, YEAH. YOU ACCUSE ME, I ACCUSE YOU.
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ALL RIGHT. PAGE NUMBER TEN.UM, UPON APPROVAL OF OF THE LUPA.
LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THOSE WHO ARE NEW AND REZONING.
IT SHALL OCCUR PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE AS DEFINED.
THE PROJECT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
THE WAY I FEEL LIKE I'M ASKING YOU QUESTIONS.
THAT. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO LIKE GO AROUND IN CIRCLES FOR AND I AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE I REALLY THOUGHT THAT 13 FOUR WAS GOING TO BE HERE TODAY TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE HEARING THEM AND LIKE I'M ASKING, I'M, I, I FEEL LIKE I AM.
GRANDSTANDING LIKE THE MAYOR DOES.
AND AND AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WHAT I WANT TO TO ACCOMPLISH.
I WANT TO GET ANSWERS FOR MYSELF, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY AND TO BE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS PALATABLE. I'VE I'VE READ THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT LENGTH.
I'VE LOOKED AT THE SECOND ITERATION AND I JUST FEEL LIKE ASKING YOU THE QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THEM.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT 13TH FLOOR AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE LISTENING, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE LISTENING, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S TRANSPARENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I'M GOING TO SAVE MY QUESTIONS.
I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, BUT IT'S IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT.
I'M LIKE KIND OF ASKING QUESTIONS OF, OF YOU THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO.
BUT WHERE? WHERE THE WHERE THE HOA PAYMENTS ARE CONCERNED.
IS DIRECTLY IMPACTING DISTRICT ONE.
AND SO IT'S NOT CLOSE TO DISTRICT FOUR.
IT'S NOT CLOSE TO DISTRICT THREE.
BUT IT'S LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM DISTRICT ONE.
AND ALL THESE HOES AS I SEE THEM ARE, ARE LITERALLY CLOSE BY.
UM. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMEBODY IS ASKING WHY THESE HOES.
MY BEST GUESS IS THAT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED THE MOST.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE THE AMOUNTS AND WHO GETS WHAT.
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BUT I CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY PREROGATIVE, TOO, TO MAKE SURE THAT MY RESIDENTS ARE ADVOCATED FOR AS WELL.WHAT DID YOU SAY? COMMISSIONER.
OH. TELL ME. WHY? YOU KNOW. TURN YOUR MIC ON.
LET'S TALK. YOU REALLY WANT HIM TO HAVE THIS ON THE RECORD? GO FOR IT. ON THE DISLIKE LEVEL.
THE DISLIKE LEVEL. MAINLAND SIX.
I WANT TO HEAR YOU. WHAT DID YOU SAY? NO I DIDN'T.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU COME OFF NEGATIVE, BUT OTHER PEOPLE.
YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, IT DIRECTLY IMPACTS DISTRICT ONE.
IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
WE CAN TALK ALL DAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE WOODLANDS IS AFFECTED AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER HAS TOLD ME THROUGH A CONVERSATION A LONG TIME AGO OR RECENTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT THE WOODLANDS IS GETTING 20 OR MAYBE YOU $20 MILLION WORTH OF OF IMPROVEMENTS.
IS THAT TRUE? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.
MAYBE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE $20 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS VERSUS THIS LESS THAN.
WELL. I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER DOESN'T LIKE LIKE SOUTHGATE, BUT THEY WILL BE A GATED COMMUNITY.
YEAH. THEY'RE GETTING BUFFERS.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME MORE SECURITY.
YOU CAN SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL OF SECURITY, THE DIFFERENT INGRESS AND EGRESS AND HOW TO ACCESS AND LEAVE THAT COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS ON NORTHWEST 64TH, AS WELL AS IMPROVEMENTS ON ROCK ISLAND THAT WILL INCREASE IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION ALONG ROCK ISLAND AND COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD. AND SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS A PART OF THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE, THE REAL ESTATE STUDY WITH HOMES VALUE AT STARTING AT ABOUT 700,000 AND OVER $1 MILLION.
ANOTHER THING THAT'S STUCK OUT, MISS CALLOWAY, IS, IS ACCESS TO 64.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THAT THERE WASN'T ACCESS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS.
THAT THERE IS ACCESS FOR SURE.
YES. WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS ACCESS OF 60 FOR.
NO ACCESS OFF OF 44TH, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY.
NOW WHERE WHERE DOES THE ACCESS COME FROM ON 64TH? IS IT SAGO PALM? IS IT BEASLEY ROAD ON 64TH? NO. YEAH.
HOW WILL RESIDENTS GAIN ACCESS TO THE ENTRANCE ENTRANCES PLAN ON.
LET ME SEE IF THEY PUT IT ON THE SIDELINE.
GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE SIDE AND LET ME SEE IF IT HAS THE ARROWS.
ARE THEY SHOWING IT HERE? NO. I HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE IN AND OUT.
SO LET ME GO BACK IN THE EXHIBIT FOLDER, PLEASE.
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OKAY. EXHIBIT ROADWAYS, GATES, PHASING THAT I CAN SEE.THERE YOU GO. AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ALSO A SITE PLAN.
SO THE DEVELOPER WILL GO THROUGH THIS IN DETAIL.
BUT YOUR PRIMARY ENTRANCE, YOU CAN SEE THE RED IS THAT'S THE EXISTING WOODLANDS BOULEVARD.
SO IN AND OUT 6 TO 4 WILL HAVE A SECONDARY GATE WHERE YOU SEE SEEING IT OFF OF NORTHWEST 64.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO IN AND OUT ROCK ISLAND.
THE THE DEVELOPER PURCHASED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY CLOSE TO WHERE THAT TELECOMMUNICATION STATION IS.
SO THEY ARE PROPOSING AN ACCESS SECONDARY GATE.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME IN AN IN AND OUT ALREADY ON ROCK ISLAND.
I HEARD THE MAYOR'S CONCERN ABOUT THE CHARITIES.
WHAT IS THE MECHANISM TO ADD OR DELETE CHARITIES? OR TO MAKE THE AMOUNTS DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING WILL BE COVERED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN OBVIOUSLY THE PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED AND IF THERE'S ANY MODIFICATION OR CHANGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE DEVELOPER.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY UNLESS YOU GIVE.
CITY MANAGER SOME DISCRETION, BUT I THINK THIS IS A COMMISSION LEVEL DECISION.
WE ALL HAVE LISTS OF CHARITIES.
UM, AND AND REALLY, REALLY AND TRULY.
ALTHOUGH. I BELIEVE SOMETIMES THE MAYOR CAN BE VERY UNFAIR.
I DO LISTEN TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SHE SAYS.
SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF US.
AND THEN WE ARE WE'RE WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON CHARITIES AND WE KNOW HOW THIS COMMISSION GETS.
I MEAN, THINK OF EVEN THINK ABOUT PUBLIC ART.
BUT WE ALL HAVE A LIST OF CHARITIES APPROVED A LIST OF CHARITIES IN OUR OFFICES.
WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE COMMISSIONERS CAN MAYBE PRESENT THE LIST OF CHARITIES THAT THEY ARE? COMFORTABLE WITH, TOO.
CALLOWAY CREATES SOME SORT OF A LIST OR TWO.
I. I MEAN, IF IF THIS BODY WANTS TO ADD OR DELETE CHARITIES AND REMEMBER, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS WORKSHOP TO HAVE SOME CONSENSUS AND TRY TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO IF I RECALL, THE DEVELOPER MADE A PRESENTATION AT A WORKSHOP TO LIST ALL THE CHARITIES,
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AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO THOSE LISTS.I UNDERSTAND. NO, NO, I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING OVERALL MAJORITY IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO OPEN A CAN OF WORMS. RIGHT. BUT BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IT YOU CAN HOLD ON A SECOND WITHOUT WITHOUT CHANGING THE FISCAL IMPACT, WHICH IS THE $250,000 TO CHARITY.
CAN CAN WE, AS A COMMISSION, TAKE CONSENSUS TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO SUBMIT A LIST OF OUR THE CHARITIES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO EACH OF US, FOR INSTANCE, TO MS..
THEN STAFF BRINGS THAT LIST TO THE DEVELOPER, AND THEY REARRANGE THE NUMBER BASED ON THE LIST THAT WE GIVE TO THEM.
IF IF THAT IS NOT DOABLE, THEN I'D BE CAUTIONED TO TO HAVE IT REMAIN THE WAY IT IS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS PRESENT A LIST OF CHARITIES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO EACH OF US.
AND THEN MAYBE THE DEVELOPER CAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION.
CAN THAT, CAN THAT? WELL, YOU CAN DO IT.
BUT THE PROBLEM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS THAT WEDNESDAY WOULD BE A MEETING WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE.
NOW THE COMMISSION WILL GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS ALL THE CHARITIES.
SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN EXTREME EXAMPLE.
I WISH TO, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT LOOKING ON THIS LIST, FOR INSTANCE, I'VE I'VE WHEN WHEN THE MAYOR DID TATAS FOR YOUR TATAS, I LOOKED AT JILL. WHAT WAS THE NAME? I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT THING THAT YOU DID? THIS IS FOR GILDA'S CLUB.
YES. HAS FOR THE TATAS, FOR GILDA'S FUND.
SO AFTER THAT EVENT, I LOOKED AT GILDA'S FUND, RIGHT.
AND I SAW THAT IT WAS A WORTHY CHARITY.
AND SO I WONDER IF THEY SHOULD BE ON THIS LIST.
SO I THINK THAT IF EACH OF US JUST PRESENT, HEY, HERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF CHARITIES THAT I CARE ABOUT.
YOU KNOW HOW MANY CHARITIES ARE LISTED, BUT EIGHT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT, I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT IF THIS IS GOING TO TURN OUT TO BE A TWO HOUR LONG CONVERSATION AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON SOMETHING, THEN LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
OBVIOUSLY. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE CHARITY LIST, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF A LIST IS GIVEN INDIVIDUALLY TO MS..
CALLAWAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE EIGHT ALREADY LISTED.
WE WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS.
THERE WAS SOME CONSENSUS DIRECTION GIVEN TO MS..
CALLOWAY. JUST LIKE SOME LANGUAGE CHANGE THAT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSION AGREED TO.
BUT THERE WAS IF THERE WEREN'T ANY CONSENSUS RECOMMENDATION, THE AGREEMENT STAYS THE SAME.
SORRY FOR NO CHANGES TO OCCUR.
WELL, YOU YOU MADE SOME POINTS AND AND IN TERMS OF LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S USE THE ATTORNEY LANGUAGE WHICH YOU, YOU RAISE IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPER HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO CHOOSE ATTORNEY.
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THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE UNREASONABLY HELD OUR CHOICE.SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE YOU BROUGHT UP.
DISCUSSED IT AS IT WOULD BE EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE PUT TOGETHER AS A WHOLE.
SO THEN IT WOULD BE BASED ON WHATEVER HE HEARS ON BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HERE.
WHATEVER HE PRESENTS TO US ON WEDNESDAY, IT WOULD BE PRESENT, SOMETHING THAT WE WILL TAKE WHATEVER CONSENSUS RECOMMENDATION AS MADE BY THE COMMISSION AND WILL MODIFY THE AGREEMENT AND SEND IT TO THE DEVELOPER.
OKAY, BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE.
IT WAS. I THINK THE THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE CHARITIES.
YEAH, THERE'S THREE CHARITIES THAT WERE QUESTIONABLE AS TO HOW IT AFFECTS THE WOODLANDS.
COMMISSIONER WRIGHT HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK IF THE ISSUE ABOUT THE CHARITY LIST.
IF THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSION WANT TO GIVE MS..
GALLOWAY A NEW LIST AND AND WE GIVE IT TO THE DEVELOPER AND IT'S A TOTAL AND DEVELOPER WOULD OBVIOUSLY WOULD PROBABLY TALK INDIVIDUALLY TO EACH MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE, THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME CHARITIES THAT EVERYBODY MAY AGREE ON.
OKAY. WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE LIST, BUT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S NOTHING TO PRECLUDE THE COMMISSION SAYING, HEY, AREN'T YOU GUYS GOING TO GIVE MISS GALLOWAY A LIST? AND AND THE LIST WOULD BE GIVEN TO THE DEVELOPER, AND WE'LL WORK BECAUSE THE CAP IS EIGHT, WE CAN'T GO OVER EIGHT.
SO WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT THE CAP.
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS LIMITED.
SO YEAH. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT US TO START GOING DOWN THIS LIST AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S GET CONSENSUS ON X CHARITY MORE.
DO YOU AGREE, ALVIN? DO YOU AGREE THAT.
DON'T WANT THAT. BECAUSE HOW CAN WE DECIDE WHETHER A CHARITY IS WORTHY OF IT OR NOT? YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE ARBITRARILY CHANGE THE LIST OF CHARITIES THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED TO US? AND FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE NEVER ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO GIVE TO ANY OF THESE CHARITIES.
YOU'RE POINTING IT RIGHT AT ME.
I'M GOING TO CALL BALONEY ON THAT.
WHERE IN THE WORLD WOULD THE DEVELOPER COME UP WITH THESE COMMUNITIES AND THESE CHARITIES TO DETERMINE? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE THINGS THAT YOU'VE PUT ON THE AGENDA AND NOT US.
SO I FIND IT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINIONS.
YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN SET OF FACTS.
I AM SAYING THIS IS MY OPINION THAT I THINK YOU'RE SPEAKING.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT THE TRUTH.
THAT IS MY OPINION YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT.
THAT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT? YEAH. YOU'RE GOING TO SELL YOUR TWO HOUSES AND YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE IN THE MIDDLE OF ARSENIC.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? THERE'S FIVE HERE THAT I TRULY SUPPORT.
TAMARAC COUGARS, WOMEN IN DISTRESS.
THERE'S MORE THAN FIVE DARE TO CARE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS STOPPING THAT WHATEVER WAS TAKING PLACE.
SO TWO MORE CAN GET ON AND EVERYBODY GET 25 TAMARAC COUGARS, WOMEN IN DISTRESS.
NOT SURE ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M SURE IT WAS FROM THE LIST.
IF ANYTHING, LESS THAN THE ONE THAT'S MORE AND ADD TO MORE CHARITIES, THE MORE THE MERRIER.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? WHO HAS BEEN WAITING TO SPEAK.
AND HE IS THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER AND HE HAS NOT EVEN GONE ROUND ONE.
COMMISSIONER RIGHT. NO, YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WASN'T IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT INITIALLY.
I'M STILL NOT IN SUPPORT OF OF OF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS WHAT I'M SEEING IN FRONT OF ME.
AND THANK YOU, DOCTOR DANIELS, FOR BEING A CHAMPION AND SEEING THE LIGHT AND GETTING DELIVERANCE.
I HOPE THAT HAPPENED AT MARCH 30TH AS OPPOSED TO TODAY.
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BUT YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, SINCE WE'RE ON THE MONEY DISCUSSION, I'M GOING TO START OFF ON THAT POINT.I THINK THE MAYOR WAS SAYING THAT WE JUST PUT THE MONEY IN THE POOL AND WE DECIDE HOW IT'S DONE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE? YOU WERE YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER.
I THINK THAT THAT THAT KIND OF SOLVES THAT PROBLEM.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BE FIGURING OUT WHAT CHARITIES TO DISTRIBUTE THE MONEY.
I THINK KIND OF WHAT VICE MAYOR IS SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND TIME PICKING DIFFERENT CHARITIES.
WHY NOT PUT IT IN A POOL? AND THEN LATER WE DISCUSS WHICH CHARITIES ARE WHICH ONE WE WANTED TO BE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S THAT THAT SOLVES THE ENTIRE PROBLEM.
AND I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE PAYMENTS TO THE HOA.
740 K, TO BE EXACT, IT'S GOING TO DISTRICT ONE OUT OF THE THE 925.
AND VICE MAYOR, YOU SAID YOU ARE A CHAMPION OF YOUR DISTRICT.
YOU ARE A CHAMPION OF YOUR PEOPLE.
AND MY YEAR OF BEING HERE TOMORROW IS GOING TO BE EXACTLY ONE YEAR I GOT ELECTED.
SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF, OF, OF US REDIRECTING THAT AS WELL SO WE CAN MAKE IT MORE EQUITABLE.
UM, CAN CAN YOU BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC? I THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT I WAS SAYING, THERE WAS SOME SECTIONS IN WOODLANDS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED.
NO, I THINK WE THE 925 WE WE SHOULD PUT IT IN A POOL.
I THINK THE MAYOR MENTIONED THAT WE PUT IT IN A POOL AND THEN.
YES, PARAGRAPH 2121 C TO BE EXACT.
SO THERE'S NO DIVISIONS FOR SPECIFIC COMMUNITY.
NO ONE THINKS IT'S A POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING OR ALL THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
AND IN TERMS OF SHAKER VILLAGE, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER, HE SAID.
I ASKED THE QUESTION SINCE WE ALREADY VOTED ON IT, CAN'T WE PAY BACK THE TAXPAYERS? AND PAM RYAN WASN'T AT THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTED.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO RESPECT BUSINESSES AND BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE IN RESPECTING THAT WISH. AND YOU CAN CORRELATE THAT CONVERSATION WITH PAM RYAN, WHO WAS WHO WAS IN THAT MEETING, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
UM, IN TERMS OF GOING BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, I THINK THE MAYOR MENTIONED ABOUT ORCHARD LANE THAT THAT THAT WAS MENTIONED, AND WE WOULD WANT TO DEVELOPERS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, THEY HAVE TO STABILIZE THE LAND.
I WENT OUT THERE. IF THEY GO IN, I THINK THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR SAID THEY'RE GOING TO GO.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S TIGHT LANGUAGE IN THERE.
IF THIS HAPPENS TO PASS THAT THAT PROTECTS THOSE HOMEOWNERS IN THAT SECTION.
I DID MENTION ALREADY E IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT, HEY, IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO I WOULD I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WOULD BE FOR WEDNESDAY, I WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE PART E, UM.
GOING THROUGH THE SECTION OPEN SPACES.
WHY? WHY NOT THE ENTIRE 160? AND IS A TOTAL OF 160.
AND THEN THE DEVELOPER IS PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL 50.
SO FOR THE LAND USE AMENDMENT THAT'S ONLY 110 ACRES.
THAT'S A BROWARD COUNTY ADDITIONAL RESTRICTION.
AND THE DEVELOPER IS PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL 50.
OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTIONS I'LL SAY FOR WEDNESDAY, BECAUSE I MET WITH MR. BACKMAN A FEW WEEKS AGO AND THAT SAME MEETING.
AND I HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS FOR MR. BACKMAN. NOT SAYING THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYONE WAITING ANYMORE.
SO I'LL SAVE THOSE QUESTIONS FOR WEDNESDAY WHEN WE HAVE THE MEETING.
COMMISSIONER, DANIEL. I'M SORRY FOR PROLONGING MY APOLOGIES.
BUT I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT TO SOME OF THE CHANGES.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT DEVELOPERS WAS PUTTING MONEY TO THAT PROJECT.
IF IT HAPPENS, WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
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SO THE MONEY SHOULD KNOW I SAID THAT.I SAID HE DID THE 750, THE DEVELOPER.
I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER PART.
SO TO ME, THAT'S THAT'S A LOT, RIGHT? LET'S KEEP IT FAIR.
WHO DOES IT IMPACT? MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE MORE INCLUDED FROM DISTRICT TWO.
I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE YOU KNOW.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE MOVING THAT I'M NOT.
I'M NOT FOR IT. MY WHOLE THING WITH THIS WAS THAT IT GIVES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
I LIKE THAT ASPECT THAT WAS NEVER DONE BEFORE.
AND WHILE I HAVE VOTED TO SUPPORT THIS, LET'S KEEP IN MIND THIS $20 MILLION GIFT TO THE COMMUNITY COMES TO THE DETRIMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR 50 YEARS AND IS NOW ADDING 335 HOMES, ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, ADDITIONAL WHETHER IT'S FOOT TRAFFIC, NOISE, TRAFFIC USAGE, TRAFFIC IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO THIS $20 MILLION DOESN'T NECESSARILY BENEFIT.
THE 178,000, WHICH IS $200 PER HOME QUOTE, BENEFITS EACH HOMEOWNER TO THE EXTENT TO CLEAN UP THE DIRT AND DEBRIS THAT WILL COME FROM THIS CONSTRUCTION.
SO REALLY, IT'S NOT A BENEFIT.
YES. IS THERE A BENEFIT TO THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL BE GATED A LITTLE BIT SOFT GATES TO HOPEFULLY NARROW DOWN SOME OF THE INCREASED CRIME THAT HAS BEEN COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY, OR THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO FLEE RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY AND HIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY, OR THOSE WHO LIKE TO RACE INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND STREAK NAKED AND RUN INTO A PERSON'S HOME.
THIS BENEFIT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP ASSIST IF THERE WANTS TO BE MORE BENEFIT.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT EQUITABLE.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT BETTER POSITION FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAN OUT OF THIS $925,000, MORE MONEY SHOULD BE GOING TO THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY. THIS $250 FOR CHARITIES.
THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD THE DEVELOPER DECIDED THEY WANT TO GIVE MONEY TO CHARITY, AND I WAS VERY PROUD OF THE ONE DEVELOPER THAT CAME WHO DID THE FOR THE FIVE HOMES ON WOODLAND ON ROCK ISLAND ROAD WHO BASICALLY SAID NO TO THIS COMMISSION.
WHERE IS IN OUR CODE THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO CHARITIES? TAKE THE $250,000, PUT IT INTO THE BUCKET THAT GOES TO THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY.
TAKE THAT 925 AND ACTUALLY SEE THE IMPACTS.
BECAUSE IF WE REALLY CARED ABOUT THE IMPACTS, AGAIN, I DO NOT KNOW HOW GREENHAVEN, WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS, I LOVE ALL MY COMMUNITIES AND I GO TO THEIR MEETINGS AND I WRITE IN THEIR NEWSLETTER, WHICH IS ON RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS OVER ON PINE ISLAND.
AND 57TH HAS ANY WAY OF BEING IN HERE AT ALL.
AND SO ALSO SHAKER VILLAGE IS GETTING 75,000.
SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES ARE GETTING 75,000.
WHY ARE THEY MORE PET PROJECTS THAN ANOTHER? WHAT IS THE REASON? HOW DO HOW DOES THE DETERMINATION COME FOR THESE DIFFERENCES? DIFFERENCES IN MONEY.
THERE'S JUST SEEMS TO BE A VERY INCONSISTENT WAY OF DISTRIBUTING HERE, AND I DON'T SUPPORT CHARITIES RECEIVING IT.
THE IMPACTS AGAINST THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING TO FEEL IT.
THEY'RE NOT FEELING THE IMPACTS.
I STILL SAY THE WORDING NEEDS TO GO INTO IF THE B IS GOING TO STAY WITH $750,000 BEING IN THERE FOR SHAKER VILLAGE, WHICH IS A WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT, OR AN EASTSIDE COMMUNITY CENTER, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A TIME CERTAIN, WHETHER IT'S TEN YEARS AFTER THIS AGREEMENT IS DONE, TO SEE IF THERE'S EVER GOING TO BE ONE.
IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.
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IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.IT'S NOT SOUND THINKING, IN MY OPINION, TO NOT MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PROTECTIVE LANGUAGE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID.
THE OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS IS WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND MAKING SURE WHEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER FPNL IS DEFINITELY IN IT, TO REMOVE THE POLES IN IT TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. THAT IS WHY I MADE THE COMMENTS.
IT'S FOR IN THIS DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT TO REMOVE THAT CATCH ALL LANGUAGE.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE AGREEMENTS, THEY KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE DONE.
I MET WITH FDOT, AND THEY HAVE ASSURED THAT THEY KNOW THAT THESE THINGS WILL BE MOVED.
THE POLES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE, THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
IT'S NOT AN IF, IT IS JUST A WHEN IF THIS IS TO GO THROUGH.
THESE THINGS THAT WE ARE BEING PROMISED WILL GO THROUGH.
IN MY UNDERSTANDING AND WHAT I HAVE VIEWED, THE DESIGN HAS ALWAYS BEEN VIRTUALLY SIMILAR.
GOT THEM TIRED AS WHAT HAS BEEN THERE, AND THAT THESE NEWER ITEMS IN THE SITE PLAN TO BE SHOWN WITH A DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS AND THE DIFFERENT DRAWINGS TO BE AS. CLOSE TO AS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY AS POSSIBLE, AS WE'RE ALSO SEEING SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE PUTTING UP NEW FACADES.
THEY'RE MAKING THINGS DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE STEPPING OUT OF THE MID-CENTURY MODERN.
THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE AND FIXING THEIR OWN, THEIR HOMES.
SECTION. I WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS SIX SECTIONS HAVE CLUBHOUSES.
SO THIS AMENITY CAMPUS, THEY HAVE CLUBHOUSES, THEY HAVE THEIR COURTS, THEY HAVE THEIR POOLS.
THEY HAVE THEIR THIS THEY HAVE THEIR THAT, THEY HAVE WHAT THEY WANT.
AN AMENITY CAMPUS SO MUCH THAT IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED BY SECTIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.
THE REALITY OF SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR, THEY'RE PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO USE THIS.
AND MAYBE IF THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING, THEY WILL ASK TO RENT A CERTAIN AREA TO UTILIZE IT.
BUT IT'S NOT TRULY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE OR USED MUCH BY THE OTHER 580 OR 857 HOMES. YES.
WE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT IF WE RENT IT LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE RENTING IT.
THAT'S WHAT WAS SAID IN THIS AGREEMENT.
IT SAYS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO RENT IT, EVEN SECTIONS ONE, TWO, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN AND EIGHT.
IF THEY WISH TO RENT IT, THEY HAVE ACCESS.
I WOULD LIKE, IF YOU CAN ASK SECTION THREE AND FOUR TO HAVE FREE ACCESS.
IS THAT THE CONSENSUS OF I'M NOT ASKING FOR.
YES. THAT'S A COMMISSIONER FIGHTING FOR HIS DISTRICT.
ABSOLUTELY. YOU'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT THEY WANT SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR TO HAVE ACCESS.
I'M ABSTAINING FROM THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I'M A RESIDENT OF SECTION FOUR, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE ACCUSED OF PUTTING SOMETHING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PERSONALLY BENEFIT ME. AND PART OF MY SECTION.
AND I GET THAT SECTION THREE AND FOUR.
DID YOU SAY FREE ACCESS? BECAUSE AS IT IS NOW, BUT IS THAT ACCESS FOR THE CLUBHOUSE, FOR USE FOR MEETINGS OR JUST FREE ACCESS TO UTILIZE THE FACILITIES ANY TIME WE WANT? YEAH, YEAH. SIMILAR AS THE.
YEAH, BUT SECTION NINE ACTUALLY PAYS FOR IT THROUGH THEIR HOA DUES.
OKAY. EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS AND ENJOY THE AMENITIES THERE FOR $100 A MONTH, AS THE FEE IS KIND OF LIKE JOINING THE THE THE AMENITY CAMPUS, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT.
IT WILL HAVE THE TENNIS COURT AND THOSE THINGS AS ONE.
ANYBODY? SECTION ONE THROUGH EIGHT, INCLUDING SECTION NINE.
THAT IS, PROVISION IS ALREADY IN THERE WITH AN ESCALATOR THAT CAN GO UP AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THE MEMBERSHIP FOR THE AMENITY COUNT.
OKAY. YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO'VE CONSENTED TO IT.
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I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS WANTS TO AGREE TO IT.I'M DEFINITELY AGAINST IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE SECTION THREE AND FOUR HAVE THEIR POLLS.
THEY HAVE THEIR TENNIS COURTS, THEY HAVE WHAT THEY WANT.
BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN THAT PART.
IF YOU WISH TO AGREE OR YOU GOT CONSENSUS SO THEN FINE.
NOT UNDERSTANDING. BUT ANYWAY, WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOUR CONSENSUS FOR THE BASKETBALL COURT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ON THE AMENITY CAMPUS AND THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT AT LEAST LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING FROM TONIGHT.
WE SHOULDN'T WAIT UNTIL WEDNESDAY FOR THIS.
SO JUST BUT THE TENNIS COURTS COMING BEFORE US.
YEAH, BUT THE USES, THE USES THAT ARE IN THE AMENITY CAMPUS IS LISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND TWO TENNIS COURTS, TWO PADDLEBALL COURTS, ONE TOT LOT AND ONE PLAYGROUND, ONE FITNESS CENTER, ONE SWIMMING POOL, ONE HOT TUB SPA HAD A YEAR FOR SEED AND A CAFE FOR BEVERAGE OPTIONS AND A WARMING KITCHEN.
NO ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, SO IT'S LISTED IN HERE.
BUT NOT A BASKETBALL COURT? NO. SO. RIGHT.
BUT THE QUESTION I'M GOING TO ASK THIS COMMISSION IS, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO START GETTING INVOLVED WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AFTER COMMUNITY MEETINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WHICH NO, NOT MANY HAVE ATTENDED TO ALL OF A SUDDEN POSSIBLY PUT A BASKETBALL COURT, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN ASKED FOR BY THE COMMUNITY.
WE MAY THINK BASKETBALL IS FUN.
IT'S OKAY. IT'S A BASKETBALL COURT.
YES. WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT PUDGY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO FINISH.
YEAH, BUT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING FOR TWO HOURS.
SO. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS GETTING TOO MUCH.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING BACK AND FORTH, AND WE'RE NOT BEEN HEARING THE CONSENSUS.
YOU KNOW, MISS CALLAWAY, VICE MAYOR, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FLOOR.
OH, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SEAT, MISS.
WHEN DO YOU DECIDE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO STAND UP AND NOT LET THIS HAPPEN? MAYOR, I HAVE THE FLOOR.
AND? AND YOU CAN SHOW I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO TURN OFF HIS MIC.
MAYOR. AND I CAN'T THROW HIM OUT WITHOUT HAVING THREE PEOPLE CONSENT.
PRESIDING OFFICER, THIS IS NOT EVEN A PARLIAMENTARY ISSUE.
OH, IT'S PART OF OUR DECORUM ISSUE THAT IS IN OUR RULES.
NO, I HAVEN'T. VICE MAYOR SAY SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP.
I'M GOING TO FINISH MY SENTENCE.
I BROUGHT UP THESE ISSUES AND IT WAS NOT ASKED FOR CONSENT, AND I ASKED.
SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO REMOVE PART.
DO DO WE HAVE CONSENTS TO REMOVE.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE. I HEARD MAURY CITY.
YOU DO NOT CONTROL THE MEETING, MISS CALLOWAY.
I GIVE MY MISS HOLLOWAY THREE.
THAT IS A SITE PLAN ISSUE THAT IS COMING FOR QUASI JUDICIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I'M GOING TO FINISH MY SENTENCE OR I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR MICROPHONE AWAY.
SERIOUSLY, YOU ARE THE MOST DISRESPECTFUL PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER COME ACROSS.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A LAND USE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UNDERSTANDABLY, IT RELATES TO CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH TO A SITE PLAN.
PARAMETERS FOR MAKING CERTAIN CHANGES.
IN A WORKSHOP REGARDING THIS ITEM.
THE SITE PLAN IS IN CONCEPT FORM, IT IS AN EXHIBIT TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT MEANS THAT YOU WOULD THEREFORE MAKE THAT CHANGE WHEN THE SITE PLAN IS PRESENTED TO YOU TOMORROW, WEDNESDAY, DURING THE QUASI JUDICIAL MEETING AND ONCE IT'S REMOVED BECAUSE THAT APPROVES SITE PLAN BECOMES A FORMAL EXHIBIT TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD OCCUR AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE.
WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN LET THEM KNOW.
IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT I AM TO INCORPORATE THESE CHANGES WHERE THERE'S A CONSENSUS IN.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOES NOT IT JUST IDENTIFIES THE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS.
BUT THE SITE PLAN IS RIGHT THERE AND OKAY OKAY OKAY.
NO DO NOT TAKE A LESSON OUT OF HIS BOOK PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. NO NO, NO, WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT.
WE'VE UNDERSTOOD IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE THE EXCLAMATION POINTS IN RED AND LIKE, FIVE OF THEM.
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MISS CALLOWAY IS TRYING TO FINISH.BUT POD POD E AND THE SITE PLAN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
THAT'S AN EXHIBIT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO YOU WANT TO ALSO VERBALIZE THAT ON WEDNESDAY.
SO THE DEVELOPER IS CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE CHANGE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
SO GOING BACK TO A CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE IT'S UNDERSTOOD THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S PUBLIC ACCESS, WHICH IS THE ROADWAY, VERSUS THE WALKING TRAILS, WHICH ARE PRIVATE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO JUST SHARE SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS OF A CD.
AS A PERSON WHO HAS LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY IN 2008 AND 2009.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE STUFF WE'VE GOT TO DO ANYWAY.
PART OF THE REASONS FOR THE SELECTION OF A CD WHEN IT WAS DEALING WITH MANOR PARK AND CENTRAL PARK IS WHEN YOU'RE LIVING THROUGH A COMMUNITY THAT IS GOING THROUGH INVESTORS GOING IN THROUGH SHORT SALES, THROUGH FORECLOSURES, FOR PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD THEIR HOMES, THEIR PROPERTY VALUES WERE GOING DOWN.
PEOPLE WERE NOT PAYING THEIR HOA'S HOA'S WERE THEN HAVING TO PAY THE PEOPLE WHO WERE PAYING THE HOA WAS THEN HAVING TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND THE UPKEEP OF THE LANDSCAPING AND THE SECURITY, THE LIGHTING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY AND RAISING OTHER PEOPLE'S INSURANCE, RAISING OTHER PEOPLE'S BILLS TO PAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT PAYING.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON AND THE MECHANISM BEHIND THE CD, BECAUSE AT LEAST THOSE ITEMS WOULD ALWAYS BE TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS ESTABLISHED TO TRY TO DO THE NEED, WHICH WOULD BE THAT THOSE THINGS WOULD ALWAYS BE PAID FOR ON THE TAX BILL, SO THE COMMUNITY WOULD NEVER SUFFER AND BE LOOKING DERELICT AND DOWNTRODDEN OR WHATEVER RULES OR WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO SAY.
WHEN PEOPLE WEREN'T MAINTAINING THEIR HOMES AND PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THEIR NEIGHBORS.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE CD'S FOR THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
I AM IN 100% AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO SEE ALL THE ADVERTISING ITEMS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CLEAR, EVEN IF IT'S YOU'RE GOING TO SIGN YOUR CONTRACT, CHECK HERE, CHECK HERE, CHECK HERE, CHECK HERE. AND THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK AND DO YOUR CLOSING YOU'RE STILL CHECKING HERE, CHECKING HERE, CHECKING HERE.
THE ITEM THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE FLOOR BETWEEN PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL ON THE FLOOR REGARDING BE, I UNDERSTAND, WANTS TO BE KEPT THE SAME FOR THE $750,000 FOR SHAKER VILLAGE OR AN EAST SIDE. I'M ASKING FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN PUT ON THERE SO THAT THIS MONEY, IN CASE THERE IS NO COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE, THAT ELECTS TO OR MOVES FORWARD WITH HAVING AN EAST SIDE COMMUNITY CENTER AND SHAKER VILLAGE DOESN'T GO THROUGH THAT.
THIS MONEY IS NOT SITTING SOMEWHERE TO NEVER BE UTILIZED.
DO I HAVE ANY SUPPORT ON THAT? UM, I THINK THAT YOU YOU ARE SOMEWHAT CORRECT.
I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A LANGUAGE THAT SAFEGUARDS THAT MONEY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN SHAKER. THERE IT GOES.
IT'S SHAKER VILLAGE IS YOUR PROBLEM.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT IS ACROSS FROM THE WOODLANDS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO ACROSS FROM THE WOODLANDS.
YOU'VE GOT ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES.
BANYAN LAKES IS ON BAILEY ROAD, BUT THAT'S NORTH.
BUT SO IS PART OF SHAKER VILLAGE.
NOBODY'S LOOKING PAST COMMONS BOULEVARD AND SEE WHO'S ON THE LEFT.
NOBODY'S PAID ATTENTION TO ANY OF THE COMMUNITIES OVER THERE.
THAT IT NEEDS TO BE NOT SO RESTRICTED.
TO BE JUST SHAKER VILLAGE, OR IF YOU KEEP IT ON, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT ON FOR USE OF THE COMMUNITY.
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64TH AVENUE AND EAST.AND JUST THIS WAY, THERE'S A FREEDOM OF THE MONEY TO BE UTILIZED IN THE AREA IN WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY BEING AFFECTED BY THIS BUILD OUT IF THIS SHOULD OCCUR.
NO, NO, I SAY EAST OF ROCK ISLAND.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S EAST.
IN FACT, THIS SEEMED LIKE MESSY ALL OVER, SO I DON'T EVEN IN ANY AGREEMENT AT THIS POINT.
I WOULD SUPPORT IT TO THE REST.
I WOULD SUPPORT 64 BECAUSE IT'S EAST OF THE WOODLANDS COMMUNITY.
SO THE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BECAUSE 64 IS AN EAST OF THE WOODLANDS.
I MEAN, 64 TO THE WEST, SIX WOODLANDS IS EAST MEANT, WOODLANDS IS EAST OF 64.
6 TO 40 IS WEST OF THE WOODLANDS.
YEAH. THE WEST END. SORRY. AND IT DOESN'T FIX THE PROBLEM WITH THAT EYESORE OF SHAKER VILLAGE.
THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER TOPIC YOU CAN'T COME OUT OF.
THIS IS WHERE IS THIS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY? YOU CAN'T COME OUT OF $1 MILLION HOME.
YEAH, AND LOOK AT AT A DEMOLISHED EYESORE.
AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT BEFORE IN MY TIME.
THE SHAKER VILLAGE THING BEEN ON.
SO PEOPLE WANT TO SAY WHAT I, WHAT I THINK THIS BEEN ON, ON THE COMMISSION WAY BEFORE ME.
SO I'M FINE THE WAY IT IS AND I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT.
WHATEVER CHANGES, THIS IS TIME TO MOVE ON.
DOCTOR DANIELLE, I THINK THE MONEY IS GOING FOR SHAKER VILLAGE.
I'M NOT INTO THIS FOOLISHNESS.
COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. GO AHEAD.
WHAT ABOUT BERMUDA CLUB TO YOU? YES. YOU TOLD ME THAT.
SO THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WORSHIP JUST LIKE THIS? YEAH. SO SO SO I THINK THAT THE SINCE.
SINCE THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY COMMENTED THAT THEY WANT TO HELP SHAKER VILLAGE ON THEIR OWN ACCORD.
I THINK THAT ANY LANGUAGE SHOULD SHOULD STAY SHAKER VILLAGE.
SO IT SHOULD SAY FOR THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY CENTER OR ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
EVERYTHING EAST OF 64TH IS IS EVERYTHING, INCLUDING ALL THE WAY PAST SHAKER VILLAGE.
ALL THE WAY TO CAPITOLA PARK THAT IS EAST OF 64.
SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S PUT PARAMETERS 44.
LET'S, LET'S GO NORTH A LITTLE BIT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CONNECTING STREET IS.
UM. WE CAN PUT IT IN A SURROUNDING COMMUNITY FOR THE WOODLANDS.
IT IS. IT IS A WAR ON THE SHAKER VILLAGE PROJECT.
AND COME BACK WHEN THE SHAKER VILLAGE DIDN'T COME TO AN END.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT PROTECTS IT.
BECAUSE THIS LANGUAGE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT GOES FORWARD.
I'M GIVING YOU. AND I'M GIVING YOU LANGUAGE THAT WILL SAFEGUARD THE MONEY.
AND THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY THAT IS ACROSS FROM THE WOODLANDS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS VOLUNTARILY, VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED TO IS SAFEGUARDED AS WELL. SO TO THE TO THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY CENTER OF THE EAST SIDE COMMUNITY CENTER, OR ANY PROJECT WITHIN SHAKER VILLAGE THAT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
THIS IS PROPOSED. SHAKER VILLAGE SLASH EAST SIDE COMMUNITY CENTER.
THIS IS GENERALLY LOCATED EAST OF NORTHWEST 64TH AVENUE AND BENSON.
AND SO BASICALLY IT IS PUTTING IN SHAKER VILLAGE OR EAST SIDE COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND IF IT DOESN'T GET DONE WITHIN SOME CERTAIN OF TIME THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH THE SHAKER VILLAGE PROJECT OR HAVE AN EASTSIDE CENTER, THEN THE MONEY, THE $750,000 GETS UTILIZED FOR WHICHEVER COMMISSION PURPOSES, THAT IN A SUM CERTAIN IN A TIME FRAME, FIVE YEARS, SEVEN YEARS, SIX YEARS, TEN YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS CAN THEN BE UTILIZED FOR ANYTHING FROM NORTHWEST 64TH EAST.
IT'S BASICALLY ADDING THAT SECONDARY LANGUAGE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SO CERTAIN THAT SHAKER VILLAGE CLUBHOUSE PROPERTY IS GOING TO HAPPEN, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. THIS IS PROTECTING THE FUNDS JUST IN CASE SHAKER VILLAGE DOES NOT GO THROUGH.
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AND I'M AND I'M SAYING AND I'M SAYING WITH ALL OF YOUR SHENANIGANS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A SAFEGUARD LANGUAGE IN THE AGREEMENT.AND THAT IS WHY I'M SAYING I AGREE WITH YOU UP UNTIL THE POINT WHERE YOU SAY EAST OF 64TH, I CANNOT AGREE TO THAT RIGHT HERE, MADAM MAYOR. LIKE YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE ON THIS COMMISSION.
I'VE READ THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE.
ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THE COMMUNITY CENTER DOESN'T HAPPEN IN SHAKER VILLAGE, THAT YOU AND YOUR ATTORNEY FRIENDS STOP THE DEVELOPMENT OF SHAKER VILLAGE. ALL I'M SAYING IS, IF THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS NOT BUILT, THEN THE MONEY THAT IS BUDGETED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS USED FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE WITHIN THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY.
BUT THERE'S NO PUBLIC PURPOSE IN THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS A PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
YOU THEN YOU'RE GIVING $750,000 IN SECTION B AND ANOTHER 200.
WHAT IS IT, $75,000 IN SECTION C? YOU'RE GIVING THIS WHAT THEY HAVE VOLUNTARILY AGREED.
WHEN WE KNOW SOME OF US DON'T BELIEVE THAT, THAT THIS WAS THEIR DECISION FOR ALL THIS, NO, I DON'T.
I TOLD YOU, I'M ON THE RECORD.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS DEVELOPER DECIDED THAT THESE 24 PROPERTIES AND $750,000 WAS GOING HERE, AND THEY WERE GOING TO CHOOSE THIS EIGHT CHARITIES AND ALL. DON'T BELIEVE IT AT ALL.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL THE HOMES THERE TOO.
AND WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG DAY. LET'S GO.
SO. SO SHAKER VILLAGE, REPEAT YOUR LANGUAGE.
LET'S JUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT TO TO BE USED FOR THE EASTSIDE COMMUNITY CENTER OR THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY CENTER, OR ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE WITHIN THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE OF SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD PREFER IF IT'S THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF SHAKER VILLAGE AS WELL.
ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE WITHIN 60 FORD AND ROCK ISLAND.
ESSER. RIGHT. WHEN WHEN WHEN IF OR WHEN THE MAYOR KILLS THE SHAKER VILLAGE PROJECT.
AND I SAID THAT ON THE LAST MEETING.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE I WAS A PSYCHIC OR A PROPHET.
IT WAS ON COMMERCIAL. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM MY DISTRICT.
IT'S AN EYESORE ON THE COMMUNITY.
PERHAPS IF IT WAS INSIDE SHAKER VILLAGE, I WOULDN'T HAVE SUPPORTED IT.
I SUPPORTED IT BECAUSE IT WAS ON A MAJOR STREET, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN EYESORE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I UNDERSTAND IF THEY WANT TO SELL THEIR HOMES, THEY WANT TO ADD VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I AM JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
SO I WOULD BE I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE SAYING BETWEEN 60 FORD AND ROCK ISLAND, UM, IF THE SHAKER VILLAGE DOESN'T GO THROUGH, WHAT HAPPENS? WE VOTED FOR IT.
BUT BUT SO SO THE THE BOUNDARIES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU'RE IF IT'S EAST OF 64TH AND WEST OF ROCK ISLAND ROAD AND, AND GOING NORTH AND THEN AND THEN NORTH OF COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND THEN SOUTH OF BALER ROAD. NO, I'M SAYING THERE'S NOWHERE IN THAT VICINITY.
BUT ISN'T SHAKER VILLAGE BETWEEN BAILEY, IS IT BAILEY ACROSS FROM THE CEMETERY.
WHAT IS THAT ROAD CALLED? BAILEY ROAD. OKAY. SORRY.
WITHIN THAT IS THE SURROUNDING WOODLANDS COMMUNITY THAT INCLUDES SHAKER VILLAGE.
I THINK THAT IS FAIR IN TERMS OF THE FINISHING LANGUAGE.
UM. LONG LIVE THE VILLAGE THING.
IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, THEN WE COME BACK TO THIS.
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BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO IF YOU IF YOU ARE, IF YOU ARE AMENABLE TO IT, IF YOU'RE AMENABLE TO IT.DR.. DANIEL SIX BETWEEN 6 TO 4 AND ROCK ISLAND AND BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND BAYLOR ROAD.
AND. NO, NO, THAT'S NO PART OF 44.
NO. 44 INCLUDES THE WOODLANDS.
NO. THE WOODLANDS IS HAVING ALREADY HAVING $20 MILLION OF OF OF PROJECTS.
SO IT'S A LOT OF IT IS A LOT OF HAIL.
ANYWAY, IS IS WHAT I WANTED A COMMUNITY CENTER.
THING THAT COME HERE DEALING WITH A COMMUNITY CENTER IS.
EAST OF THAT WOODLAND BOULEVARD IS THE ONLY THING I WOULD AGREE TO.
THAT'S IT. SO SHOULD WE TABLE THIS? BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH MESS, TOO MUCH MUDDINESS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS SAID.
ONE OF OUR LAST THINGS TO MUDDY.
THE THING IS AGAIN TABLING IT AS MAXIME.
THIS AGREEMENT GETS APPROVED IF THE PROJECT GETS APPROVED WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
THERE'S NO COMING BACK AND MODIFYING IT.
SUBJECT TO WHATEVER HAPPENS TO SHAKER VILLAGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE FROWNING.
DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
BUT THAT HAS NOTHING. CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDED.
WAITING UNTIL SHAKER VILLAGE IS DONE.
SHAKER VILLAGE CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDED.
ALL IT IS TO ME IS AN EYESORE AND IT RESOLVES AN ISSUE.
IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THIS, IT CAN JUST SAY THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY OR ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE BETWEEN 6 TO 4 AND ROCK ISLAND NORTH OF COMMERCIAL AND SOUTH OF BAILEY ROAD.
IT THAT THAT AREA INCLUDES JACOB.
I THINK DR. DANIEL IS SAYING THE EAST SIDE.
I THINK SO SO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SHAKER VILLAGE.
NO, NO. SO SO WE CAN DRAW THE LINE.
DRAW THE LINE WEST OF SHAKER VILLAGE.
VILLAGE IS WHAT IS THE WEST? NO IT'S NOT. THAT'S WHAT I'M.
WHAT IS THE WEST LINE? THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.
DR. DANIEL WANTS IT TO INCLUDE SHAKER VILLAGE.
I WANT TO CLOSE OUT. I WANT IT TO INCLUDE SHAKER VILLAGE AS WELL.
I'M SAYING SHE MADE A MISTAKE BASED ON HER NEED FOR SHAKER VILLAGE.
SHE MADE A MISTAKE BASED ON THE THE LINE.
SHE'S SAYING ANYTHING EAST OF WOODLANDS OR EAST OF ROCK ISLAND.
I'M SAYING THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SHAKER VILLAGE BECAUSE.
I'M SAYING EAST OF 64TH, WEST OF ROCK ISLAND, NORTH OF COMMERCIAL AND SOUTH OF BAILEY ROAD.
YOU'RE SAYING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND BAILEY, THAT'S ONLY THAT'S SHAKER VILLAGE.
NO, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
AND YOU MEAN GOING EAST? GOING? I'M SAYING BETWEEN BAILEY ROAD AND AND COMMERCIAL, UH, 64TH AND ROCK ISLAND.
HE'S MAKING SURE THAT WOODLANDS IS NOT INCLUDED.
AND I'M SAYING WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE WOODLANDS SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND I'M OKAY WITH.
AND AGAIN, MAKING THE LANGUAGE WHERE WITHIN A TIME CERTAIN IF THE MONEY IS NOT EXPENDED BECAUSE.
DOESN'T WISH TO 20 YEARS TIME, SIR.
20 YEARS. BUT AN ESCROW ACCOUNT, IT WILL BUILD INTEREST.
YEAH. ARE YOU TRYING TO HOLD IT UP IN COURT? DIRECTION ON ANY CHANGES TO PARAGRAPH? YES, SIR. I'M WONDERING. NO, NO, NO, I DIDN'T GET A CONSENSUS.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. OKAY.
THEY HAVE A CLUBHOUSE? YEAH. GOOD. SO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
IT'S NOT AN. NO, NO, BUT SHE SAID IT TO ME.
I DO NOT. SO IN REFERENCE TO 21 C, I THINK WE GOT CONSENSUS ON THAT, DID WE? 21 C WITH THE DIRECT PAYMENTS TO THE IRS.
WHAT WAS THE. NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT 21 B DID WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY DIRECTION ON 2121 B IS THE CONSENSUS THAT THIS WILL BE UTILIZED? REALLY IT DOES NOTHING.
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EXACTLY. IT DOES NOTHING TO SOLVE THE ISSUE OF THE MONEY.IT ALREADY GIVES THE SAFEGUARD TO SAVE.
SHAKER VILLAGE DOES NOT GO THROUGH.
YEAH. WHAT ARE WE ARGUING? IT DOES GIVE US THE SAFEGUARD IN CASE THE COMMISSION, WHICHEVER COMMISSION IT IS AT THE TIME, DOESN'T EVER DECIDE TO DO AN EAST SIDE COMMUNITY CENTER AT ALL.
THEN YOU HAVE $750,000 SITTING IN THE CITY'S ACCOUNT DOING NOTHING.
THEY WERE SAFEGUARDING THAT THE CITY WILL DO SOMETHING ON THE EAST SIDE.
NO, YOU CAN'T FORCE A FUTURE COMMISSION TO DO IT.
LET'S. THAT'S WHY WE GOT RULES.
YEAH, LET'S MOVE ON. I THINK THE LANGUAGE I THINK THE LANGUAGE IN IT IS TOTALLY.
ON. SEE? THAT WAS COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? YES. SEE, I I'M, I'M, I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF OF OF.
NOT INDIVIDUALLY, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD REDISTRIBUTE IT.
OR IT SHOULD GO TO THE CITY AND WE SHOULD DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
NO, THOSE THOSE THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED.
I AGREE, I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE EQUITABLE TO INCLUDE MORE OF THE WOODLANDS HOA'S AND HOW DOES GREEN HAVEN DIRECTLY IMPACT? GREEN HAVEN IS ONLY GETTING 15,000.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M TRYING TO GO WITH THE LOGIC HERE.
THE EXCUSE THAT IS BEING PROVIDED TO US IS THAT THESE COMMUNITIES ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED.
SO ALSO, IF WE THINK ABOUT IT IN MAINLAND'S EIGHT KNOWS I LOVE MAINLANDS SIDE OF 64, HOW WOULD THEY DIRECTLY IMPACT IT? THIS IS MONEY GOING DIRECTLY TO THE HOA WHO HANDLE IT EVERY DAY ISSUES OF A COMMUNITY.
WELL NO THEY SHOULD BECAUSE THE HOA IS I THINK I THINK WE ASKED FOR MORE AND ADD THE WOODLANDS.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SAYS NO.
THEN WHY DON'T WE TAKE AWAY THE CHARITIES WHICH ARE NOT ACTUALLY DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHO HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF RECEIVING EVERY WHERE THE TAXPAYERS AND CITIZENS AREN'T PAYING IT, BUT WE'RE PAYING THE RICH GUYS GIVEN TO THE POOR.
YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE NOT ROBIN HOOD AND AND SUNRISE.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
250,000. WHAT? YOU'D LIKE TO MUDDY THE WATER.
THE FACT IS THAT THIS WAS PUT IN HERE SUPPOSEDLY ALLEGEDLY FOR COMMUNITY IMPACT.
HOW ARE THESE CHARITIES BEING COMMUNITY IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT HERE, SINCE THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY GETTING IMPACTED BY THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THE COMMUNITY IS THEN THE $250,000 SHOULD GO INTO THE WOODLANDS BECAUSE CHARITIES HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF RECEIVING ANY FUNDS FROM ANY LAND USE DEVELOPMENT.
I DISAGREE, I THINK THAT'S FINE THEN TO BRING MONEY TO THE COMMUNITY LEGALLY.
AND WHO HAS THE MONEY IS THE DEVELOPER.
WE DON'T. WELL, WELL, YOU HAVE TO.
WE CAN GET THAT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING AND SUFFERING.
WELL, I THINK I DON'T HAVE 25,000 PUT DOWN ANYWHERE TO GIVE.
AND FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S MAKING MULTI-MILLION GIVE TO CHARITY, THAT IMPACTS OUR.
SO I DO AGREE WITH THAT PART AS WELL.
21 SEE THOUGH IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO ANY OF THE HOA'S IN THE WOODLANDS.
I MEAN WITHOUT THE WOODLANDS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
NO DEVELOPER WOULD WANT THE AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
COMMISSIONER RIGHT AT THIS TIME, SEEING THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON WHO SUPPORTS YOU ON THIS AND.
THERE WE ARE AT A TIME CERTAIN WHERE NOTHING IS BEING DONE THAT IS EFFECTIVE AT THIS POINT.
YOU CAN BRING IT UP ON WEDNESDAY AND WE CAN TRY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I'LL BRING IT UP ON WEDNESDAY IF THERE IS.
IF THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER FOR THIS COMMISSION, NO OTHER CONSENSUS? YES. ONE MORE CONSENSUS ITEM.
MADAM MAYOR, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
MISS. MS.. LIEBERMAN CAME UP TO ME DURING THE BREAK, AND SHE SAID THAT SHE ATTEMPTED TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY CLERK ABOUT BEING AN AFFECTED PARTY.
ON THE DAY SHE TRIED TO BE AN AFFECTED PARTY, SHE HAD SURGERY.
AND SO I'M ASKING FOR CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION TO ALLOW MISS LIEBERMAN TO BE AN AFFECTED PARTY.
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WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE OR IS THIS A PARLIAMENTARIAN, A LEGAL ITEM, OR IS IT A CLERK ITEM? BEFORE IT GETS PUT ONTO A COMMISSION THAT HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING.CAN YOU GIVE THE COMMISSION? THE ATTORNEY CAN WEIGH IN, BUT THE CODE IS SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF THE REGISTRATION GUIDELINES.
BUT BUT CAN WE DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY? CAN MS.. CALLAWAY FINISH A SENTENCE AND THEN WE CAN DEFER TO THE ATTORNEY? MS.. CALLAWAY ATTORNEY. BUT SHE'S NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT SHE IS THE ONE ANSWERING THE QUESTION AND LET PEOPLE FINISH.
MS.. MAXINE. MS.. CALLAWAY, PLEASE FINISH YOUR SENTENCE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU CAN YIELD THE FLOOR OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
YEAH. THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN CERTAINLY OPINE.
I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THE CODE IS SPECIFIC.
IT PROVIDES FOR SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING FOR REGISTRATION.
BUT CITY ATTORNEY, THESE RULES ARE COMMISSION RULES.
AND IF THE COMMISSION'S AT A MAJORITY FIND GOOD CAUSE TO WAIVE THOSE RULES, THEY CAN BUT WORKSHOP OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN CONSENSUS, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
OKAY. I'M SEEKING CONSENSUS ON IT FOR NOW.
AND THEN AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, EXPECT THAT WE'LL HAVE A MOTION.
THE PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE ON HOW THIS IS HANDLED.
SO. YES, MAYOR, IF MISS LIEBERMAN COULD GO AHEAD AND FILE THE FORM, THEN SO CAN YOU GIVE HER THAT? YEAH. GIVE IT OFFICIAL WHATEVER EVIDENCE SHE'S PRESENTING.
WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE TO SHARE WITH THE APPLICANT.
SO IF MISS LIEBERMAN COULD COMPLETE THE PAPERWORK AND PROVIDE WHATEVER BACKUP INFORMATION.
IF SHE COULD PLEASE PROVIDE THAT TO OUR OFFICE ASAP.
IS THERE A DEADLINE CERTAIN THAT SHE NEEDS TO HAVE IT TO GET IT TO US BY TOMORROW? THAT WOULD BE BY TOMORROW.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT SHE WILL COMPLY.
THAT DOES NOT GIVE THE APPLICANT SUFFICIENT TIME.
SO, MISS LIEBERMAN, IF YOU WOULD, THROUGH MISS CALLOWAY, PLEASE DO IT BEFORE NOON TIME.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 805.
IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE SPENDING THE DAY WITH YOU.
TAKE CARE. SEE YOU WEDNESDAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.