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GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY, AND WELCOME TO OUR SEPTEMBER 12TH WORKSHOP.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IS JUST DROPPING OFF HIS DAUGHTERS AT SCHOOL, AND WE'LL BE HERE SHORTLY.
CLERK IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
MAYOR GOMEZ. GOOD MORNING, VICE MAYOR BOLTON.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS WILL BE SORRY.
GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IS NOT HERE TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT WE HAVE LOST.
THANK YOU. PLEASE BE SEATED. MAYOR, MAY I ASK TO HAVE YOU MUTE YOUR PHONES? IF YOU'RE NOT IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING? YES, EVERYONE, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, WE NEED TO MUTE OUR LINES.
THE TWO UP FRONT ARE FINE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE SPEAKING.
BUT IF THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON, YOU'LL TURN IT OFF.
WE'LL GET OUR FLOW. WE REALLY WILL.
ABOUT THOSE JETS PULLING IT OFF ANYWAY.
[1.a Presentation of the BSO's Citizen Observer Patrol (COP) Program Presented by Captain, Jeremiah Cooper & Deputy, Jennifer Marion]
PRESENTATION OF VSO CITIZENS OBSERVER PATROL OR COP PROGRAM WILL BE PRESENTED BY CAPTAIN JEREMIAH COOPER AND DEPUTY JENNIFER MARION.I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR CAPTAIN FOR COMING YESTERDAY TO OUR WELL, ONE OF OUR BUSINESSES DID A LITTLE CHALLENGE FOR 911 TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE CLIMBED.
THE STEPS DOWN, SOME WHO WENT UP.
ALSO, STEPHEN TRAMONTE FROM OUR TAMARAC FIRE RESCUE, DID THE FULL 111 111 STEPS.
SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE THEM BOTH A SHOUT OUT.
GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.
VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS JEREMIAH COOPER, SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND SO THE CITIZENS OBSERVER PATROL PROGRAM HAS BEEN AROUND WITH BSO FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
CLP PROGRAM IS A FULLY VOLUNTEER PROGRAM BY YOUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
IT'S A SIMPLE APPROACH TO SAFEGUARDING NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE WITH THE RESIDENTS INVOLVEMENT.
THE CLP VOLUNTEERS ARE LOCAL OF COURSE, AND THEY PATROL THEIR COMMUNITIES.
TYPICAL ASSIGNMENTS WITH THE CLP PROGRAM.
TO CLOSE. CAN YOU STILL HEAR ME? ALL RIGHT. MICROPHONE CHECK.
WON'T BE HERE LONG. ALMOST DONE.
TYPICAL ASSIGNMENTS IN ADDITION TO PATROL ACTIVITIES INCLUDE PERFORMING CHECKS AND UNOCCUPIED RESIDENCES, CHECKING ON SOME OF THE ELDERLY, HOMEBOUND RESIDENTS, AND REPORTING POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IN NEIGHBORHOOD HAZARDS TO BSO.
THEY ALSO ASSIST US AND THE CITY WITH DIFFERENT SPECIAL EVENTS.
APPLICANTS MUST BE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE.
THEY MUST PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK, POSSESS A FLORIDA DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND OF COURSE, THEY MUST RESIDE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND COMPLETE FOUR HOURS OF TRAINING AND COMPLY WITH ALL PROGRAM POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
WE CAN STOP CRIMES, PREVENT CRIMES BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMMITTED.
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AND THAT'S JUST A LITTLE INFORMATIONAL FLIER, SO I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROGRAM.GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. I THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
TELL US JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CRITERIA FOR COMMUNITIES THAT WANTS THE COPS PROGRAM.
YOU THEY NEED CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERS TO SIGN UP FOR THE PROGRAM.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MUST HAVE A RESIDENT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE.
IT'S OPEN AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE THAT IS INTERESTED TO BE A VOLUNTEER.
IT'S ALL VOLUNTEER PROGRAM FOR ANY OF THE RESIDENTS.
AND THEN HOW MANY CARS DO YOU HAVE? WE TOLD WE HAVE ABOUT SIX CARS.
HOWEVER, AS CARS ARE UTILIZED, WHAT WE DO IS TAKE PATROL CARS.
WE CONVERT THEM OVER INTO COP CARS.
SO THAT PROCESS IS MAINTAINED BY OUR MAINTAINED BY OUR DOWNTOWN FLEET SUPPORT SERVICES.
AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR CARS.
THE NUMBER OF CARS TO INCREASE AS WE OBTAIN MORE.
HOW DO YOU MANAGE? THE PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS EQUITABLE.
SO DEPUTY JIM MARION, IN HER ABSENCE, SHE WILL BE OVERSEEING THE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
AND SO SHE HAS A PROCESS TO WHERE SHE THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY, WHERE SHE WILL MEET WITH THE THE MAIN LIAISON FOR THE CFP PROGRAM, AND SHE WILL MAINTAIN RECORDS TO MAKE SURE IT'S EQUITABLE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE CITIZENS HELP PATROLLING AND STOPPING CRIME.
MY CONCERN IS THE TRAINING AND WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO USE THEIR PERSONAL WEAPONS? I KNOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN FLORIDA.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BECOME THE WILD, WILD WEST.
AND THE NEW LAWS IMPACT THIS PROGRAM, RIGHT? SO THERE'S SPECIFIC TRAINING THAT'S PUT ON BY DOWNTOWN BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE UNDER THE SCOPE OF THIS PROGRAM.
THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY ANY PERSONAL WEAPONS.
THEY SIMPLY ARE OUR EYES OUT THEIR EYES AND EARS.
SO ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS, THEY GET UNIFORMS. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DRIVE A VEHICLE MARKED SPECIFICALLY FOR COPS.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE WITH LICENSED SIRENS GOING IN A FAST MANNER.
THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ONLY ALLOWED TO RADIO US, NOTIFY US OF SPECIFIC SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES SO THAT WAY WE CAN THEREFORE RESPOND TO THE LOCATION AND ADDRESS WHATEVER MATTER THEY SUGGEST.
SO THE TRAINING WOULD INCLUDE HOW TO RECOGNIZE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, FOR HOURS SEEMS SIMPLE TO KIND OF DO WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
YOU KNOW, ONLY A SMALL PORTION.
SO MY IS THE FOUR HOURS ENOUGH? SO SO FOR THE CFP PROGRAM, IT'S NON SWORN.
SO THE TRAINING IS MINIMUM ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO DO.
THEY'RE NOT TO TAKE ANY ACTION, THEY'RE NOT TO EXIT THEIR CAR.
IF THEY SEE SUSPICIOUS INCIDENTS OR ACTIVITY, THEY DON'T EXIT THEIR CARS TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS.
THEY SIMPLY NOTIFY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. TRAYVON MARTIN, BECAUSE WASN'T THAT A PATROL PERSON WHO DID THAT? I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT BE SUBJECTIVE, THAT MIGHT HAVE CERTAIN ONCE YOU SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN THAT SUGGESTS THAT THIS PERSON MIGHT BE VIOLENT, ARE NOT BEING EQUITABLE OR, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME TYPE OF BIAS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THEN? WE WOULD ALWAYS SUGGEST THAT THE COP NOT GET INVOLVED WITH ANY ONE, PARTICULARLY IF THEY SEE SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS.
AGAIN, WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY RECOMMEND THAT THEY NOTIFY WHAT HAPPENED.
WHEN THEY BREAK THAT RULE, THOUGH, WHAT IF THEY WOULD BE YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY THAT'S THE RULE.
BUT PEOPLE BREAK THE RULES EVERY DAY.
OF COURSE, WE CAN'T CONTROL THEIR ACTIONS.
THEY'LL BE REMOVED FROM THE PROGRAM.
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VILLALOBOS IS OBVIOUSLY PRESENT AND HAS.THEY'VE I BELIEVE ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN WERE ACTIVE WHEN COPA WAS ENACTED OR IN THE PROCESS OF. JUST A QUICK QUESTION, YOU MENTIONED VEHICLES.
ARE THE VEHICLES GOING TO BE THOSE BEAT UP VEHICLES OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE SOME UPGRADED? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THIS.
THEY ARE USED VEHICLES USED BY US PRIOR.
OKAY. WE'LL HAVE COMMISSIONER.
RIGHT. THANK YOU, CAPTAIN COOPER.
DO YOU HAVE, LIKE, STATS SHOWING THAT THE CITIZEN PATROLS KIND OF DETER CRIMES? DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY NUMBERS TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF DETERRING CRIME? NO, I CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. OKAY. AND HOW DO WE GET MORE? IT SEEMS LIKE AS COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS MENTIONED, A LOT OF SENIORS ARE INVOLVED.
HOW DO WE GET YOUNGER PEOPLE, MORE DIVERSE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAM? SO THERE'S BEEN A PUSH ALREADY THAT DEPUTY MAYOR AND ALREADY SUBMITTED SOME INFORMATION OVER TO YOUR TAMARAC PIO.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN A MEDIA BLAST, SOCIAL MEDIA BLAST, TRYING TO RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS.
GENERALLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, MOST COPS HAVE A PASSION TO WANT TO HELP OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IT'S JUST A MINDSET OF AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS TO ACTUALLY DO MORE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU THINK WE CAN GET SHAQUILLE O'NEAL? I'M SORRY. YOU THINK WE CAN GET SHAQ IF WE CAN STEAL HIM FROM MIAMI DADE? PROBABLY, YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
HI. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.
NOT PAINFUL, I PROMISE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
AND SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE PEOPLE TRAINED.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT USED TO BE IS STILL INVOLVED.
AND IF YOU SAID IT, I MISSED IT AND I APOLOGIZE.
THIS IS PRIMARILY GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO IF I AM I'M IN THE WOODLANDS.
EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M IN THE WOODLANDS AND WE'VE HAD A VERY ACTIVE COPS PROGRAM.
WHEN SOME RESIDENTS WOULD A GROUP OF RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE TO HAVE A CAR.
THERE WAS ENOUGH PEOPLE TO HAVE A CAR IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEN YOU HAD SOME COPS PROGRAM THAT WOULD ONLY BE FOR PARKS.
BUT ARE PEOPLE GOING INTO SHOPPING PLAZAS OR IS THIS SPECIFICALLY COMMUNITY BASED LIKE MAINLAND'S EIGHT HAD A CAR? I BELIEVE MAINLAND'S NINE HAD A CAR, MAINLAND'S ONE AND TWO, AND I THINK THREE.
AND FOUR. LIKE THERE WERE GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
IT WAS RUN THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
IS THAT THE SAME OR IS THIS NOT THE SAME? SIMILAR, BUT YES, DIFFERENT.
IF THEY SEE SOMETHING THERE TO SAY SOMETHING TO US, OF COURSE.
SO YOU NO LONGER NEED A GROUP OF TEN PEOPLE IN ORDER TO GET THE CAR.
IF I'M JUST ONE PERSON IN MY COMMUNITY AND THEN THERE'S ONE PERSON IN MAINLAND SIX AND ONE PERSON IN, SAY, PELHAM BAY, PLUM HARBOR, EACH OF US JUST GET A CAR WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE THAT GROUP.
SO I DON'T THINK THE CARS ARE GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY PROVIDED TO A ONE PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.
OKAY. SO THEN THAT PART OF THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG PUSHES TO GET PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO WANT TO DO THIS WAS THE DETERRENT OF HAVING THE CAR IN THE COMMUNITY, KNOWING THAT IT COULD BE PARKED EITHER AT THE CLUBHOUSE, PARKED IN A PERSON'S PARKING IN A DRIVEWAY BECAUSE YOU HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT WAS DOING THE PATROL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW IS CHANGE IN THE PROGRAM.
AND IT'S VERY WELL POSSIBLE IF WE GET THAT MUCH VOLUNTEERS, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PROVIDE A VEHICLE FOR A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY SO THAT WAY THE VEHICLE COULD BE EASIER ACCESS FOR THOSE MEMBERS TO UTILIZE.
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OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD DETERRENT AND IT ALSO HAS LURED THE CITY WHEN THEY SEE IF THEY SEE SOMETHING AT NIGHT, LIKE THERE'S A PIPE THAT HAS BURST AND NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT OR TREES THAT HAVE COME DOWN AND BLOCKED WAYS.A LOT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN ASSISTED IN THE PROCESS WITH WITH THIS.
I STILL WANT THAT CODE OFFICER SO DON'T THINK ANY COMMENT I'M SAYING IS THAT I DON'T WANT THAT CODE OFFICER DURING THE NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS JUST BECAUSE OUR COP PROGRAM WILL BE COMING BACK, PLEASE.
AND THAT'S JUST A JOKE TO THE VEHICLES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO AHEAD, CHIEF, WOULD YOU EXPAND ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE HOURS OF THE LENGTH OF THE SHIFTS FOR THE VOLUNTEERS? SO HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE PROGRAM ARE PRIMARILY BUSINESS HOURS.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY DO A MINIMUM FOUR HOURS UP TO SIX HOURS PER SHIFT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
IT CAN GO INTO THE NIGHTTIME HOURS DEPENDING ON THE HOURS OF THE SPECIAL EVENT.
I'M SORRY. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? YOU SAY BUSINESS HOURS ANYWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT IN THE MORNING TO 6 P.M.
AT NIGHT? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY THIS NICELY.
IT USED TO BE YOU GET TWO HOURS AND YOU CAN GO UNTIL ABOUT NINE, 10:00 AT NIGHT.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S BEEN CONCERN ABOUT SAFETY OF THE COP.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN MANDATORY TO PEOPLE TO A CAR.
HAS THAT CHANGED? NO LONGER TWO PEOPLE TO A CAR.
THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN PROBABLY BRING BACK TO YOU TO FOR CLARIFICATION.
PLEASE DO. BECAUSE EVEN DURING THE DAYTIME, A RESIDENT WHO IS NOT A SWORN OFFICER, ONE PERSON TO A CAR IS. YOU ALSO HAVE TROUBLE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO TELL THEM TO KEEP THEIR EYES ON THE ROAD.
THE OTHER PERSON IS SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THINGS.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, I WANT THIS TO GO FORWARD.
BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO ACTUALLY.
AND SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE NEED TO BE SEEING IS DEFINITELY AFTER 6 P.M..
BECAUSE. MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT WHEN THE LIGHTS, THE SUN GOES DOWN, EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD WAKE UP.
SO CAN WE PLEASE CHECK THAT? YES, MA'AM. SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.
THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO THE SAME QUESTION THAT I HAD ABOUT THE VOLUNTEERS.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT WAS A COMPONENT OF THE LAST PROGRAM.
SO IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE YOU HAD THAT INFORMATION.
BUT BUT BRING IT BACK IF YOU CAN.
WHERE I DO HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION IS SOME OF MOST A LOT OF CRIMES HAPPEN RIGHT AFTER SCHOOL BEFORE 6 P.M.
BECAUSE KIDS COME OUT OF SCHOOL.
THEY KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE AT WORK.
SO THAT'S THE TIME, THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY.
AND OF COURSE, I LEARNED THAT THROUGH MY PUBLIC SAFETY DEGREE.
AND I CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THAT NOW.
AND THEN IF THEY DON'T GET OFF WORK TO PICK OFF A CAR, PICK UP A CAR, THEY CAN'T GET A CAR.
AND SO THEY. SO, NO, I STAND CORRECT ON MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT.
SO THE HOURS ARE TOTALLY BASED ON THE VOLUNTEER ITSELF.
SO THEY ORGANIZE IT WITH YOU PRIOR AND THEN YOU SET IT UP THAT WAY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, GREAT.
BECAUSE I'M NOT DISAGREEING THAT THIS 8 TO 6 IS IS NEEDED.
WE CAN GO WE CAN GO BEYOND 6 P.M..
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THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.NOTHING FURTHER. YOUR HOT SEAT IS NOW WARMED AND GOING TO.
[1.b Update on Procurement Process for Residential and Commercial Solid Waste Collection Contract Presented by Allison Trulock, Managing Director NewGen Strategies & Solutions, LLC]
WE ARE WELCOMING ALLISON TRULOCK, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF NUGEN STRATEGIES AND SOLUTIONS.JUST JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BRIEF BACKGROUND ON ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
SO WE ENGAGE NUGEN AND ALLISON AND COMPANY TO HELP US WITH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THE NEXT SOLID WASTE SERVICE PROVIDER THAT'S THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO.
AND SO HER COMPANY IS WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO, TO IDENTIFY THE, THE STEPS, THE MILESTONES AND THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCUREMENT AND DETERMINE ON PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS.
SO THANK YOU, ALLISON. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, HOW IS MY MICROPHONE? AM I DOING ALL RIGHT? THIS WAY.
AND I WANTED TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHERE THINGS ARE WITH THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE TIMELINE FOR TAMARAC AND CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE UPCOMING RFP THAT WE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON.
AND THEN I'LL WRAP UP WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE CUSTOMER OUTREACH EFFORTS.
SO WHY I'M HERE, I'VE GOT 26 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN SOLID WASTE PLANNING.
I'M THE MANAGING PARTNER FOR SOLID WASTE WITH NUGEN.
I'VE PROBABLY WORKED ON TWICE AS MANY PROCUREMENTS AS THE YEARS I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS, SO I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF PROCUREMENTS AND A LOT OF IT RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON KIND OF WELL ACROSS THE ECONOMY, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPACTING THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY WHEN IT COMES TO EQUIPMENT LIKE THE VEHICLES.
THERE HAVE BEEN SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.
A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ALLEVIATED IN MORE RECENT YEARS.
BUT SOME OF THE COVID IMPACT HAD SHORTAGES AND JUST SLOWDOWNS TO BE ABLE TO EVEN GET EQUIPMENT.
PRICE OF STEEL HAS BEEN VERY VOLATILE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AS WELL.
STAFFING IS A BIG ISSUE IN THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE.
CDL DRIVERS ARE IN VERY HIGH DEMAND.
IF YOU THINK OF ALL THE DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES THAT COUNT ON CDL DRIVERS AND WE HAVE MORE CDL DRIVERS RETIRING THAN PEOPLE GETTING CDL LICENSES, SO THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF CDL DRIVERS AND THEN INFLATION, WHICH IS AFFECTING EVERYTHING, BUT INCLUDING THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY WITH FUEL VOLATILITY, JUST THE COST OF SAFETY EQUIPMENT.
THIS SLIDE GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT RECYCLING MARKETS HAVE BEEN LIKE.
SO ONCE RECYCLABLES ARE COLLECTED AND SENT TO A PROCESSING FACILITY AND THEN GO TO MARKETS TO BE TURNED INTO PRODUCTS, THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING WITH THE PRICES OF RECYCLING OVER THE YEARS.
SO THERE ARE GOOD DAYS AND BAD DAYS WITH RECYCLING, BUT THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS MARKET VOLATILITY.
BRINGING IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO HOME.
TAMARAC IS A MEMBER OF THE BROWARD COUNTY ILA, AND THE POINT OF THIS NEW ILA, IT BASICALLY FORMS A REGIONAL AUTHORITY TO FOCUS ON SOLID WASTE COLLECTION DISPOSAL, PROCESSING ISSUES.
BUT AS A MEMBER, THAT COULD HAPPEN DURING THE TERM OF THIS NEXT COLLECTION CONTRACT.
SO I WANTED TO MENTION THE ILA, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL WE WILL WORK INTO THE AGREEMENT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY FOR WHAT MIGHT COME NEXT FOR THIS NEWLY FORMED AUTHORITY. I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO READ, BUT I DID WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT TASKS THAT WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
ANOTHER PART OF IT WILL BE A PUBLIC WORKSHOP.
AND AS I MENTIONED, I WILL WRAP UP GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON ON THOSE ELEMENTS.
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WE'LL COME BACK AGAIN AFTER WE'VE GOT CUSTOMER SURVEY RESULTS TO TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU BEFORE WE RELEASE THE RFP AND THEN AGAIN AFTER THE RFP HAS BEEN RELEASED.SO WE'LL MOVE THROUGH A COMPLETENESS REVIEW FROM THE PROPOSERS, THE COST EVALUATION, THE SELECTION COMMITTEE WILL MOVE THROUGH THEIR PROCESS FOR SCORING AND RANKING, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH THOSE SCORES AND RANKING AND THE TOP RANKED PROPOSALS.
AND BECAUSE OF WHAT I WAS MENTIONING WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LEAVE SEVERAL MONTHS TO HAVE TIME FROM THE CONTRACT BEING EXECUTED TO THE START DATE. SO THAT GIVES ALL OF THE ANY, WHOEVER THE NEXT HOLLER WILL BE ENOUGH TIME TO BE READY TO START THE SERVICES ON OCTOBER 1ST.
SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE RFP.
WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE SHOWS YOU WHAT YOUR CURRENT SERVICES ARE.
AND THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF LOOK AT POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THOSE COLLECTION SERVICES.
WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT MORE THAN ONE SCENARIO INTO THE RFP.
SO IF YOU WERE WANTING TO GET PRICE ON MORE THAN ONE OPTION, WE CAN DO THAT.
I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST HAVING TOO MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
IT CAN GET DIFFICULT FOR HAULERS TO PROPOSE IF THERE'S TOO MANY, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH OF A MENU.
BUT WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR PRICE ON MORE THAN ONE SCENARIO.
IF THERE ARE ISSUES, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT ON THE PART OF THE HAULER, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS.
WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE ARE THE TYPICAL CRITERIA.
TYPICALLY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT AREAS.
THE FIRST TWO ARE KIND OF NON-PRICE ELEMENTS.
SO THIS IS WHAT A SELECTION COMMITTEE WOULD SCORE.
AND THEN THERE'S THE PRICE AND NUIJEN WOULD DO THE SCORING THERE.
IT'S TYPICALLY A 100 POINT SCALE, AND WE CAN WEIGHT THESE DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
WE CAN ADD TO THESE CRITERIA, WE CAN SHORTEN THE LIST.
BUT WE DID WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY.
AND AGAIN, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE CUSTOMER SURVEY RESULTS FOR YOU TO WEIGH IN ON, ON WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR HOW WE'RE SCORING AND RANKING THE PROPOSALS.
AND THEN I'LL WRAP UP WITH THE CUSTOMER OUTREACH EFFORTS.
IF ANYONE IN THE ROOM WOULD LIKE TO SCAN THAT, YOU CAN GET TO THE SURVEY ON THE WEBSITE.
SO JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE COLLECTION SERVICES.
I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS AND I CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK TO ANY OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDES.
IF YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON THE EVALUATION CRITERIA OF ANY OF THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.
WHEN IT COMES TO BOQ RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE DO QUARTERLY FOR CONDOS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.
YEAH, AND I THINK IT'S WEEKLY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ON THE CONDOS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLY EVEN SURVEY THE THE RESIDENTS ON THAT, BECAUSE I DO.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AND ALSO JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A FAIR AND EQUITABLE PROCESS, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE OVERALL THING FOR ME THAT ALL PLAYERS, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND PLAY BALL FAIRLY.
YEAH, AND IT'S A VERY TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
SO WE MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS IN THE RFP HOW THEY WOULD BE SCORED, HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
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SO FIVE YEARS, IS IT? WE CAN STILL DETERMINE THE TERM.THEY'RE USUALLY 5 TO 10 YEARS INITIAL WITH SOME RENEWALS.
ALSO BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE BOLT PICKUP.
APPARENTLY IT'S SUBCONTRACTED.
CAN YOU LIMIT THE SUBCONTRACTING? WE CAN IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION.
SO IT ACTUALLY IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE HAULER TO HAVE A SUB DO THAT.
BUT IF YOUR PREFERENCE IS TO SAY SO, THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY SUBCONTRACT, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS NOT AS GOOD ACCORDING TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, THEY'LL LEAVE CERTAIN ITEMS. IF THEY DON'T LIKE YOU, THEY'LL ARGUE WITH YOU.
LOOK AT THE GARBAGE AND SAY, OH, WE'RE NOT PICKING THAT UP.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF WHEN THEY SUBCONTRACT.
THE PEOPLE THEY'RE SUBCONTRACTING TO HAVE THE SAME VISION OR VALUE.
YEAH. AND THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING WHERE THEY PULL UP THE PEOPLE'S GRASS, YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN.
YEAH. AND THANK YOU TO BOTH COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS AND COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
THOSE ARE DEFINITELY TWO ITEMS, AND I'M PROBABLY JUST GOING TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THEM.
UM. ESPECIALLY WITH THE SUBS, AT LEAST LATELY.
BUT THE RESIDENTS, OUR RESIDENTS AND EVEN OUR BUSINESSES FORGIVE ME, DON'T CARE.
TRASH IS OUT. TRASH HAS TO BE PICKED UP.
TRASH NEEDS NOT TO BE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE EITHER THEY WERE RUSHING OR SO STUFF FELL OUT OF IT.
I FOLLOWED BEHIND ONE THE OTHER DAY AND I ACTUALLY SAW THE STUFF HANGING OUT AND EVEN TO THE PAPER THAT WAS HANGING OUT AND ALMOST UNDERNEATH HIS TIRES WHEN I STOPPED HIM AND ASKED HIM TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT WAS COMING OUT OF HIS TRUCK BECAUSE HE KEPT GOING, HE WAS OVERFLOW.
SO I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR WANTING TO PICK UP ALL THAT HE CAN.
BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, THEN YOU HAVE THAT.
YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE YOU CAN FIT IN.
ALL THE GARBAGE IS COMING BACK ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
AND THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE DEBRIS PART OF IT ON THE ON THE FLOOR.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED TO HAVE OR IF WE CAN ASK FOR THIS SOMEBODY WHO GOES OUT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND SCANS THE COMMUNITY, I'M YOUR DISTRICT A, YOU'RE IN DISTRICT B, YOUR DISTRICT C DISTRICT, WHATEVER, AND GO, OH, MY GOODNESS, THE WOODLANDS MUST HAVE HAD A PARTY LAST NIGHT, OR EVERY SINGLE PERSON DECIDED TO CUT THEIR LAWN. AND SO ALL THEIR LEAVES ARE OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED A BIGGER HAULER OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
I'M ONLY JUST PICKING ON MINE BECAUSE IT'S THE EASIEST ONE TO DO BECAUSE I SEE WHAT GOES ON.
THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING TO BE KEPT IN MIND.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE.
BUSINESSES THAT SAY, OH, I'M SO SORRY, IT WAS MY SUB.
RIGHT. THAT'S NOT A GOOD ENOUGH.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE WE SUB OUT TO, AND THEN THEY NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME BETTER COMMUNICATION.
IT'S EVERY WEEK IS TOO MUCH BECAUSE PEOPLE GET TO LEAVE IT OUT 24 TO 48 HOURS, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND SO IF BULK IS ON A MONDAY, THEY LEAVE IT OUT ON A SATURDAY.
IT'S. NOT APPEALING OR SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TEMPORARILY USING THE HOMES AS THEIR.
AIRBNBS ARE NOT CARING ABOUT THE RULES AND THIS WOULD HELP WITH.
SHOWING MORE OF WHICH PROPERTIES ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THEMSELVES.
AS FAR AS OUR CONDO SITUATION AGREED, WE GET COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME.
WHETHER IT'S TRANSIENT OR THINGS ARE MORE DISPOSABLE.
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YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR COUCH TODAY.PEOPLE ARE THROWING IT OUT TOMORROW.
THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO.
OTHER PEOPLE ARE DROPPING THEIR MATTRESSES AND THEY'RE DROPPING THEIR STUFF IN OTHER PEOPLE'S.
BINS. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS SOME RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT A BUSINESS WILL HAVE TO NOW PAY ANOTHER $175 OR WHATEVER THE PENALTY IS FOR HAVING TO COME FOR A SECOND LOAD.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT COMES IN THIS TIME.
I'M OUT OF LINE FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND I THINK SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY IS ILLEGAL DUMPING.
SO HOW ARE WE KIND OF STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING? IN PART, THE HAULER CAN BE A PARTNER, MAYBE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF EXPERIENCES THAT WE ACCUMULATED OVER THE YEARS THROUGH CUSTOMER FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, SERVICE EXPERIENCES WITH WITH OUR CURRENT COLLECTION SERVICE.
SO AT THE END OF THOSE, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF, OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE CUSTOMER EXPECTATIONS.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, HOW TO BALANCE THE CONVENIENCE OF CONSTANT BULK PICKUP VERSUS A MORE BALANCED APPROACH TO THAT SO THAT THE COMMUNITY APPEARANCE IS NOT IMPACTED BY ALL OF THAT.
SO WE'LL BRING ALL THIS BACK TO YOU.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE THE PROCESS, THE EVALUATION, THE CRITERIA AND SOME OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES AND THE THE COLLECTION METHODOLOGY.
AND SO WE CAN PREPARE THE RFP ACCORDINGLY.
BUT WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK FOR A FINAL PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.
I APPRECIATE IT. AND I ACTUALLY DID HAVE ONE MORE.
UM. WE DON'T WANT OUR JUNK, AND NEITHER DO OTHER PEOPLE.
PEOPLE DON'T ALSO REALLY WANT A RECYCLING.
OTHER COUNTRIES ARE NO LONGER TAKING OUR RECYCLING.
THE BENEFITS OR THE TIPPING FEE.
THAT WE GET BACK THE BALANCING ACT THAT WE DO WITH PROS AND CONS ON.
I'M NOT EXPLAINING THIS WELL AT ALL.
RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD IS WE UNDERSTAND THAT GLASS IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
GLASS HAS BEEN RECYCLED IN THE PAST.
THEN IT WAS NOT REALLY A RECYCLABLE ITEM BECAUSE IT WASN'T BEING RECYCLED.
SORRY IF THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT FOR SOME.
THEN AT THE WE PUT IT, THEY PUT IT IN THE RECYCLE BIN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAYBE DO.
RECYCLABLES. I KNOW IT ADDS ANOTHER BIN.
I KNOW IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT IN THE LONG RUN, MIGHT THAT CREATE A PATH TO PLANNING OUT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THINGS THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET COLLECTED? AND ALSO NOWADAYS AND PRETTY MUCH HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, AS YOU SEE PEOPLE ARE DOING BUSINESSES ARE DOING WONDERFUL THINGS WITH BOTTLES LIKE PLASTIC.
SO IF YOU CAN SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION TO THROW IN THERE JUST BECAUSE TODAY IT MAY NOT BE TOMORROW, IT WILL BE COULD BE IN A FEW POINTS ON THAT. I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT THAT THE GLASS CAN BASICALLY CREATE CONTAMINATION WHEN IT BREAKS AND THEN THE PAPER HAS GLASS IN IT AND THEN IT GETS HARD.
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I'M GOING TO NEED TO ASK YOU TO SPEAK LOUDER.YEAH. AND GLASS HAS SOME MARKETS.
SOME DAYS LIKE FIBERGLASS OR INSULATION IS ONE EXAMPLE OF AN END MARKET, BUT IT'S VERY LIMITED.
SO BEING ABLE TO USE THE GLASS ANYWHERE, IS THIS BETTER? AM I TALKING OVER THE LAWNMOWER? YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THOUGH, THAT THE MARKET FOR GLASS IS VERY TRICKY AND IT CAN BE A PROBLEM WHEN IT'S IN YOUR CART ALONG WITH THE OTHER MATERIALS.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS IN THE CUSTOMER SURVEY ABOUT RECYCLING GENERALLY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS JUST ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE RECYCLING PROGRAMS. I WILL SAY THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES IN BROWARD THAT ARE NOW STARTING TO TAKE THEIR RECYCLING TO WASTE, TO ENERGY, BECAUSE HOW THE COSTS HAVE BEEN SO DIFFERENT, COMMUNITIES ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR WHAT TO DO WITH RECYCLING.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE SPECIFIC.
OKAY. BECAUSE PART OF THE THING IS WE ASK QUESTIONS.
WE THINK THE PEOPLE WE'RE ASKING THE SURVEY OF MAY VOLUNTEER THE INFORMATION, BUT THEY MAY NOT KNOW.
IT MAY NOT TRIGGER, THEY MAY FORGET.
BUT IF YOU HAVE IT AS A LINE ITEM SPECIFICALLY THERE.
YOU'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO GET THE QUESTION WE NEED ANSWERED.
ANSWERED VERSUS LEAVING IT UP TO CHANCE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A DATE YET? DID I MISS THAT? DO WE HAVE A DATE YET? WE'RE AIMING TO RELEASE THE RFP IN LATE OCTOBER.
THE DATE FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING.
OH, WE DON'T THAT WE NEED TO GET THAT SCHEDULED AND ADVERTISED, BUT WE WANT TO DO THAT PROBABLY MID TO SORT OF LATE OCTOBER AND THEN GET BACK TO YOU ALL IN LATE OCTOBER FOR THE DATE OF WHEN THE DATE WOULD BE.
WELL, WE NEED TO SET THE DATE.
WE CAN LET YOU ALL KNOW WHEN THAT DATE GETS SET, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT I MEANT WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ALL AFTER WE'VE HAD THAT WORKSHOP.
ARE WE GOING TO BE A PART OF. ARE WE INVITED TO THE WORKSHOP? DO YOU WANT OUR HELP GETTING IT OUT THERE? IF YOU DON'T MIND IF YOU WOULD, AS SOON AS YOU KNOW THE DATE, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
IT IS 945 AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO ONE OF OUR MOST FAVORITE TOPICS, ARTWORK.
[1.c Inspiration Way Public Art Replacement Sculptures Presented by Public Art Administrator, George Gadson and Assistant Community Development Director, Maher Mansour]
INSPIRATION WAY PUBLIC ART REPLACEMENT SCULPTURES AND WE HAVE.I DIDN'T SEE YOU FOR A SECOND, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE HERE.
WELCOME, GENTLEMEN. GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
GEORGE GATSON, GATSON AND RABBITS.
AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER, BETH RAVITZ IS HERE AS WELL.
YES, THIS IS ONE OF OUR FAVORITE PARTS OF PRESENTING TO YOU THE COMMISSIONER.
YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE HAS BEEN DOING.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, THE LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE YOU, YOU HAD SELECTED PIECES OF ARTWORK THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED ON INSPIRATION WAY, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
WHEN WE WENT BACK TO THE ARTISTS TO LET HIM KNOW OF YOUR SELECTION FOR THE WORK.
THE WORK WAS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
THE PROCESS FOR THE ART, I SHOULD SAY THE PREVIOUS PROCESS UP UNTIL ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
THE ARTIST THEN HAS TO PROVIDE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE WORK.
THE DRAWINGS HAVE TO BE DONE FOR INSTALLING ONTO THE PADS.
ARTISTS THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH OVER THE YEARS AND WHO HAVE DONE THIS NATIONALLY AS WELL AS INTERNATIONALLY, THIS PRACTICE IS FOREIGN TO THEM AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST AND OTHERS THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO, THEY'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR SCULPTURES RECONFIGURED WHEN OTHER OTHER CITIES DON'T REQUIRE THIS.
SO WITH THE HELP OF MONSIEUR AND MR. GEORGE FALLS, WE GOT TOGETHER AND WITH BETH AND OUR CONVERSATION PROVIDED THEM WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT MISTER FALLS FEELS
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COMFORTABLE WITH HOW GOING FORWARD WE CAN DO THIS.THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO IN WHICH IF INDEED, FIRST OF ALL, THE PADS WERE DESIGNED FOR SPECIFICALLY TO HOLD UP TO TEN FEET IN TERMS OF A SCULPTURE.
IT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED THAT IF INDEED AND THIS OF COURSE, THIS EXHIBITION IS ONLY TEMPORARY.
SO IF DURING THE COURSE OF THE TIME THAT THE SCULPTURES ARE ON DISPLAY, THAT WE ARE FACING A PENDING HURRICANE, THAT WE SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE IMPACTED BY IT. THERE HASN'T BEEN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COMPANY OF PUBLIC ART, PUBLIC WORKS, THAT THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY WOULD COME AND WOULD REMOVE THE SCULPTURES AND THOSE SCULPTURES WOULD BE INSTALLED RATHER STORED IN A SAFE PLACE.
SO HENCE THE ISSUE OF HAVING THE ARTISTS RECONFIGURE THEIR THEIR SCULPTURES INSTALLATION.
IN TERMS OF THE THE, THE BASE AND HAVING IT PERMITTED BASICALLY IS A MOOT MOOT SUBJECT WHEN INDEED IT CAN AND THEY WILL BE REMOVED PRIOR TO ANY PENDING HURRICANE THAT WOULD COME.
SO SO TODAY WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU, WE WENT BACK TO ANOTHER ARTIST.
WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU FIVE NEW IMAGES THAT.
AH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT OR AVAILABLE FOR BEING PLACED ON INSPIRATION WAY.
ALL OF THESE WORKS ARE BY RAIKATS GIVES YOU THE DIMENSIONS 12FT AND BASED UPON THESE DIMENSIONS, THESE SCULPTURES ACTUALLY WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED BY THE EXISTING PAD THAT SITS THERE.
AND THIS IS THE PRICE, AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE PRICE IS THERE AND IF SOMEONE WISHES TO PURCHASE IT.
AGAIN, ALL OF THESE ARE BY RAIKATS.
IN THE DIMENSIONS OR WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED BY THE PADS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE.
THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, I BELIEVE, WAS IN THE COLLECTION ONCE BEFORE.
RIGHT. AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT SCULPTURE, BUT SIMILAR TO THE ONE PREVIOUSLY THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
AND THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW ONE.
WE DIDN'T GET FROM THE ARTIST THE PRICE FOR IT, BUT OF COURSE WE WILL HAVE THAT.
IF ANYONE SHOULD INQUIRE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE IF THEY WISH TO PURCHASE IT.
SO I'M PRESENTING THIS TO YOU TODAY IS TO REQUEST FROM YOU YOUR THOUGHTS AS TO YOUR PREFERENCE AND.
AS THOSE OF THE NUMBER OF PATHS ARE AVAILABLE.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M OKAY WITH ALL OF THEM.
OKAY, SO THERE WAS FIVE FOR SOME REASON.
BUT I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON SOMETHING HERE.
THE PIECE THAT'S ON COMMERCIAL AND SAWGRASS, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE CUT THE TREES AROUND IT AND DO BETTER LIGHTING IN THE NIGHTTIME? RIGHT NOW, IT'S IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
AND AS FAR AS LIGHTING GOES FOR THE PADS, CAN WE SEE CAN WE LOOK INTO AN UPGRADE ON THE LIGHTING STRUCTURE AND HOW IT LIGHTS IT UP IN THE NIGHTTIME THE EVENING? I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCONNECTION THERE.
AND ALSO, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
WHO PAYS FOR IF THERE'S AN IMPEDING HURRICANE? WHO'S PAYING THE COST OF THE REMOVAL AND PLACING THE SCULPTURES BACK ON? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
THE COST FOR REMOVAL AND PLACING IN STORAGE IS INCURRED BY THE PUBLIC ART FUND.
WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE THE TREES IF THOSE ARE PART OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF THE THE HOTEL.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT AND AND THE THE LIGHTING.
AND YOU HAD SOME TIME BACK ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT ELEVATING IT.
WE DID APPROACH THE ARTISTS IN TERMS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO ELEVATE THE SCULPTURE AND.
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THE COST WAS $100,000.WE SPEND YOUR MONEY LIKE WE SPEND OUR MONEY, WE JUST DON'T FRIVOLOUSLY.
JUST BECAUSE THE MONEY IS THERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT.
SO I THINK THE TREES, IF INDEED SOMETHING CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH THE PRIVATE OWNER IN REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE TREES AND I THINK IN THE PAST THEY HAVE BEEN WORKABLE AS LONG AS AS FAR AS CUTTING IT AND MAKING SURE.
BUT I THINK IT KIND OF OVER TIME JUST OKAY, YOU KNOW, THE TREES GROWING GREAT.
I JUST I LOOK AT EVERYTHING WHEN I DRIVE, SO IT DRIVES ME NUTS.
WITH REGARDS TO THE UPGRADE OF LIGHTING, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THAT AND LOOKED INTO THE COST.
AND AS YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW, THE COST OF SOLAR LIGHTING IS IS EXORBITANT.
WE WILL WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND GET MORE UP TO DATE COST AND THEN CAN BRING THAT BACK TO THE.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, THEY ARE VERY.
FRUGAL IN TERMS OF HOW THE MONEY'S IN THE PUBLIC, HOW THEY WILL COME TO YOU WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT ABOUT IN THE CONCRETE BLOCKS, KIND OF SHAVING THEM IN AND PUTTING SOME FOCAL LIGHTING VERSUS THE EXTERIOR ONES THAT ARE BLACK AND. KIND OF PUTTING THEM INSIDE THE CONCRETE BLOCK, INSIDE THE PADS, YOU'RE SAYING INSIDE THE PAD AND PERHAPS SHOOTING THE LIGHT TOWARDS THE TO HAVE THE UP LIGHTING COMING FROM THE PADS.
YOU DON'T SEE THE ACTUAL LIGHTING, THOUGH, OR THE WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS? THE CONTRAPTION, WHATEVER.
THE FIXTURES. SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE THE FIXTURES.
OKAY, WE WILL EXPLORE THAT SUGGESTION.
THANK YOU. AND THE QUESTION AGAIN IS SOLAR VERSUS TAPPING INTO AN EXISTING POWER SOURCE.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THOSE OPTIONS.
THE CITY MANAGER IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO SAY SOMETHING, SO GO FOR IT.
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MR. GASTON SORT OF REPEATED WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
IN FACT, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I MEAN, LIGHTING WOULD DEFINITELY ENHANCE THE APPEARANCE OF THOSE PUBLIC ART PIECES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ELECTRIC SERVICE TO ANY ONE OF THOSE PARTS.
AND SO WE NEED TO FIND THE SOLAR LIGHTS.
AND THEY'RE NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT THAT POWERFUL.
SO WE'LL LOOK FOR A CREATIVE WAY TO GET SOME LIGHTING SO THAT IT REALLY ENHANCES THE APPEARANCE.
GALLERY. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.
LET ME. I DIDN'T MEAN TO BRING THOSE IN, BUT.
YES. WHEN ARE WE CHANGING THE SCULPTURES? WHEN IS OUR NEW ROTATION? FOR SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY INSPIRATION? YES, BECAUSE IT USED TO BE SEPTEMBER.
NOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN OUR EXCHANGE DAYS ARE.
THE ROTATION TYPICALLY TAKES PLACE.
THE SCULPTURES ARE USUALLY THERE FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS.
BUT THE CHALLENGE THAT I MENTIONED TO YOU.
WE HAVE IN GETTING THEM, SOME OF THEM ON THE PADS WITH ARTISTS SAYING IT'S NO LONGER AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT. SO BUT NINE MONTHS TYPICALLY IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE ART TO BE ON THE EXHIBITION.
OKAY. SO I'M VERY PLEASED THAT WE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO NOT HAVE THIS ISSUE GOING FORWARD.
MY QUESTION IS SPECIFIC WHEN DOES THE CURRENT ARTWORK CHANGE OUT? UM, THAT'S A GOOD PROBABLY BETTER ANSWER THAT I'M.
I'M. I WISH I WANT TO SAY PROBABLY IN NOVEMBER.
AND I KNOW I HAVE MENTIONED THIS.
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SO BASICALLY WHEN THIS STRUCTURE.THAT STRUCTURE GOES IN OR AT LEAST WITHIN A WEEK.
SO WE'RE NOT SITTING THERE WITH BARE PADS.
SO THE REALITY IS THIS COMMISSION ONLY MEETS A COUPLE MORE TIMES BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME AND.
BRING US ARTWORK AGAIN AND WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE WHAT GOES IN.
AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A DELAY BECAUSE WE MAY NOT MAKE THE DECISION TIMELY.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
AND I DO WANT YOU TO PUT ON YOUR LIST.
I WANT TO KNOW WHEN HER RHINOPLASTY IS COMING.
THE CHUNKS GOING UP. WE'VE BEEN PROMISED THAT FROM WHEN WE.
OKAY. MAY I ADDRESS THAT? SURE, PLEASE. THE PERSON WHO WILL BE DOING THIS MODIFICATION.
I MET WITH HIM THE MOST RECENT VISIT.
AND HE'S ACTUALLY A COMPANY THAT I PERSONALLY USE FOR MY BRONZE SCULPTURE.
HE DOES ALL MY CASTING, ETCETERA.
SO HE'S HE'S NOT ONLY IS A PROFESSIONAL IN THAT AREA.
SO IN MEETING WITH HIM LAST WEEK, SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE NEEDED.
HE DOES NOT HAVE A FLORIDA DRIVER'S LICENSE, BUT AN INTERNATIONAL LICENSE.
SO I WORKED CLOSELY WITH MR. ORLANDO, WHO HAS PROVIDED A REMEDY FOR THAT.
SO THE CLIENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING WHAT MR. ORLANDO HAS REQUESTED SO THAT HE CAN BASICALLY RECEIVE A DEPOSIT AND HE WILL BEGIN TO DO THE WORK.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE I SPOKE WITH THE ARTIST WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHEN WE AGREED THAT WE WERE BUYING THE PIECE AND THE ARTIST, IT'S HIS PIECE THAT HE WAS WILLING TO PUT THE NOSE UP.
IS THIS NOT THE SAME PERSON THE ARTIST WAS CONTACTED? HE WAS NOT AMENABLE TO DOING THAT.
HE WAS INSTALLING HER AND HE WAS VERY HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE TO HIS PIECE OF WORK.
TO DO THE THE AS I CALL IT, THE NOSE JOB.
SO MADAM MAYOR HE HE DID AT THE BEGINNING, HE EXPRESSED HIS WILLINGNESS TO TO DO IT.
BUT WE DID STRESS THAT WE NEED HIS CONSENT AND AUTHORIZATION TO DO MODIFICATION.
OKAY. AND THIS WHEN WHEN THEY STARTED LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK.
OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. AND AND SOME OF YOU HEARD ME SAY THIS RECENTLY.
I RECEIVED IN THE MAIL AN NO RETURN ADDRESS.
AND I THINK SHE'S ALREADY EAST.
I THINK SHE'S ALREADY WEST WEST.
I THINK SHE'S ALREADY FACING THAT WAY.
GREAT. IS SHE A PERMANENT PIECE IN THAT LOCATION OR IS IT A CITY MOVING THIS PIECE SOMEWHERE ELSE? THAT IS TO BE DETERMINED FROM THE FIRST.
WHY IS IT A SHE? JUST BECAUSE.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY. HERE'S WHY.
SHE'S A SHE. BECAUSE SHE'S THERE.
AND I WAS ADVISED THAT THE BRIGHTER PINK IS A MALE.
SO THEREFORE, WE'VE GOT THE MALE, WE'VE GOT THE FEMALE, WE'LL HAVE WHATEVER NEXT ANYWAY.
ELLIE, ELLIE, YOU KNOW, JUST ELLIE SOUNDS MORE ELLIE.
THE ELEPHANT JUST SOUNDS MORE WHATEVER.
SO STILL, THE POINT BEING, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO GET OFF THIS ONE, THIS IS MY BONE.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CHANGE IN NOVEMBER.
THE HICCUP HAS TRULY BEEN THE PERMITTING.
AND THAT'S NOT TO BE DISPARAGING IN ANY WAY IT WAS SET IN PLACE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE REMEDIED THAT.
SO NOW THE CALL TO ARTISTS CAN GO OUT AND WE CAN COMFORTABLY.
NOW WHEN THE ARTIST IS SELECTED, YOU KNOW, SAY, OKAY, NOW WE CAN IMMEDIATELY GET THEM INSTALLED.
BUT UNTIL THIS WAS MODIFIED, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES WITH THE SAME ISSUE.
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DO WE HAVE? MAY WE? CAN WE.SHOULD WE KEEP THE ONES THAT ARE HERE PAST NOVEMBER UNTIL WE CAN HAVE THE CALL TO ARTISTS RESPONDED TO AND THEN NOT HAVE EMPTY PADS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OUR COMMUNITY ALL EXCITED ABOUT INSPIRATION WAY WE TOUT IT, WE'RE APPRECIATIVE THAT WE WE ENJOY IT, WHICH IS GOOD.
BUT IT SHOULD ALSO MEAN TO US PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION.
SO. AND I'M HOPEFUL FOR NEXT TURNOVER.
WE TIME THIS BETTER? BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO PERMIT ISSUES, THERE'LL BE NO CONCERNS, AND THAT ACTUALLY WE CAN DO A VERY SMOOTH TRANSITION FROM ONE PIECE OF ART TO THE NEXT BECAUSE.
IT JUST BY YEAR FOUR, WE SHOULD BE ABLE.
WE SHOULD BE GETTING THIS DONE.
IN ENOUGH TIME FOR ANOTHER CALL TO ARTISTS TO GO OUT.
NOW, ANOTHER PART OF THE EQUATION WHEN THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE COMES BEFORE YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT ACCEPTED, THEN THAT LEAVES.
A PAD. THAT NEEDS TO BE FILLED.
THAT IS PRECISELY WHY OUR PATHS NEED TO BE FILLED.
SO. SO THE IMMEDIACY DOESN'T TAKE PLACE IF INDEED WE NEED TO GO BACK TO LOOK FOR OTHER ARTISTS WHO WOULD BE NEXT IN LINE TO HAVE THEIR WORK THERE.
BECAUSE THE WORST THING YOU SAY TO THE ARTIST IS WE'RE STARTING SIX MONTHS AHEAD.
IT GOES TO THE COMMISSION IN MONTH FOUR OR 5 OR 4.
WE PUT THE KIBOSH ON A COUPLE THAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD BE DONE.
BUT WE MIGHT. THERE'S A WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE PROCESS ON THAT.
IT WAS A BRAND NEW. IT'S PART OF WOODBRIDGE.
THE HOTEL. THEY HAD TO PUT THOSE PLANTS IN THOSE TREES IN PART OF THEIR SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
WE PROBABLY CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO REMOVE IT.
KEEP TRIMMING THEM DOWN TOO MUCH.
WE MIGHT JUST NEED TO SAY, LET'S TRIM THEM, MAKE THEM PRETTY.
NO, NOT REMOVE THEM. THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE DONE.
WHETHER WE SHIFT WITH SHIFTING THE STRUCTURE MIGHT BE REALLY DIFFICULT, BUT JUST THAT WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT FOR THE PROCESS BEFORE JUST IMMEDIATELY CUTTING THE TREES BEFORE WE GO TO THE ACTUAL PIECES TO SELECT.
THEY'RE ENJOYING THE ARTWORK THAT WE'VE HAD ONCE THAT THEY GET NEXT.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NICE TO SEE IT AROUND.
IT'S NICE TO SEE THE CONTINUUM OF IT.
MALE, FEMALE, NON, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY ANDROGYNOUS.
WAS LOVELY AT THE TIME THAT THE CITY COMMISSION.
RECEIVED IT. ON THE CORNER OF NORTHWEST 77TH AVENUE AND PINE ISLAND PORT IBIS HAS GONE THROUGH VARIOUS WAYS OF MOLTING, THEY'LL SAY, FROM BRIGHT PATINA TO VERY SILVER TO RUST TO.
SO I'M WONDERING IF IBIS NEEDS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOME, MAYBE POLISHED UP AND THEN INSIDE A BUILDING SOMEWHERE OR UNDER A CANOPY THAT DOESN'T GET THE ELEMENTS AS BADLY AS IBIS HAS BEEN.
RECEIVING BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN UP THERE AND BEING IBIS HAS BEEN UP THERE.
THOUGHTS? ALL COMMENTS ARE WELL FOUNDED.
SINCE THE CITY ACQUIRED IVERSON.
I THINK IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, MAYBE THREE YEARS.
THERE WAS ONE RESTORATION DONE.
THE DISCUSSION FOR HAVING IT RESTORED AGAIN DID COME BEFORE THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND IT WAS A BIT COST PROHIBITIVE.
SO BUT THE OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WARRANTS, I THINK IN TERMS OF COLOR AT THE TIME THAT
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IT WAS ACQUIRED.CHANGING IT FROM THE COLOR THAT IT IS AND HAVING A DIFFERENT COLOR WAS NOT FAVORABLE.
AND SO SINCE THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGE IN IN THE COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WILL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER COLORS AS OPPOSED TO CURRENTLY IS THERE AS WE ALSO LOOK AT HAVING IT REFURBISHED AND REDONE IN TERMS OF LOCATION ON THE INTERIOR, YOU KNOW, THE SCULPTURE IS FAIRLY LARGE, SO I'M NOT SURE AND I CAN GET WITH THE APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF AN INDOOR ENVIRONMENT IF THERE IS A PLACE WITHIN THE CITY FOR INDOOR.
BUT IF NOT FOR SURE, WE WILL LOOK INTO HAVING IT RESTORED AND REDONE.
AND IT'S AT A QUITE A NICE LOCATION FOR VISIBILITY.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE BRIGHTENED UP.
YEAH, IT IS. AT A POINT WELL TAKEN.
YEAH, IT'S A GREAT, GREAT LOCATION FOR VISIBILITY, BUT IT'S.
NOT WEARING WELL IN THE ELEMENTS OF SOUTH FLORIDA IN THE MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS CREATED.
IT'S NOT INDOORS, BUT IT'S OUTDOORS.
IT'S TALL ENOUGH. I DON'T KNOW, JUST THROWING OUT AN EXAMPLE.
MAYBE ELLIE CAN MOVE WHERE IBIS IS.
IS. AND STILL POINTING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.
JUST A THOUGHT. IT'S ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
JUST THE THOUGHT. ALSO, IBIS WAS WHITE ONE TIME OR WAS IT WAS IT A METAL LIKE A SILVER METAL? IT WAS IBIS WAS SORT OF A SILVER ISH GRAY, SILVER GRAYISH.
OKAY, WELL, IBIS IS COMMON COLORS, LIKE.
WELL, THEY'RE MOSTLY WHITE AND BLACK AND BROWN.
I'M DONE WITH THAT. AND SO JUST BECAUSE THE SKY IS BLUE DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT HAS TO BE BLUE.
BLUE? YEAH. LET'S DO A BRIGHT BLUE TO MATCH OUR BRIGHT PINK.
RIGHT. LOOK, I LOVE BLUE. YEAH, I LOVE BLUE, SO.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NOW TO PICK THE THREE, BECAUSE I THINK MY COMMISSION'S LIKE, ARE YOU DONE YET? ONE. ONE QUESTION. OKAY, SURE.
SORRY. GO AHEAD. MR. DANIEL, IS THERE A LACK OF ARTWORK? BECAUSE I REMEMBER PREVIOUS MEETING YOU SAID THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ARTWORK.
THAT'S WHY YOU BROUGHT BACK THE SMALLER FIGURES? YES, MA'AM. SO WHAT HAPPENED? THE COMMISSION WHAT YOU HAVE SELECT, SELECTED AND RECOMMENDED.
WE WENT BACK TO THE ARTISTS TO SAY, OKAY, THE COMMISSIONERS ACCEPTED THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND SO HENCE WE WOULD LIKE TO USE YOUR SCULPTURES.
AND THE ARTIST SAYS YOUR PROCESS TAKES TOO LONG.
I'VE ALREADY SOLD THEM. SO SINCE OUR PROCESS TAKES TOO LONG AND YOU SAID IT KIND OF CLEANED UP WITH THE PERMITTING, IS THERE ARTWORK OUT THERE? SO INSTEAD OF BRINGING US FIVE, YOU BRING US 1015.
I'M SAYING, IS THERE A LACK OF ARTWORK OUT THERE OR IS THERE SUFFICIENT ARTWORK WHERE THEY'RE FIRST GOING TO BRING US MORE? THERE IS NO LACK OF ARTWORK.
AND I WOULD SAY THIS JUST FOR THE RECORDS.
WHEN THE PROCESS IS DONE, A CALL TO ARTIST IS DONE NATIONALLY.
THOSE WHO FIT THE REQUIRED CRITERIA IN TERMS OF BEING SCULPTURES AND NOT PAINTINGS, BECAUSE WE GET SOME OF THOSE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ONCE THEY'RE VETTED AND THEY GO BEFORE THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, THEN THEY MAKE THE SELECTION.
NOW, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT ARTISTS RESPOND TO THE CALL TO ARTISTS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE RECEIVE IS WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH NOW.
SO WHEN THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE MAKES THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND IT COMES BEFORE YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS, FOR YOUR APPROVAL, IF INDEED THAT RECOMMENDATION IS NOT ACCEPTED, WE MAY NOT BE AS FORTUNATE TO HAVE ANOTHER POOL FROM WHICH TO CHOOSE.
SO THE EQUITABLE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING.
IN OTHER WORDS, I'M SAYING FROM NOT TO CUT YOU SO FROM THE BEGINNING, WHY NOT GET BETTER TO GET MORE ARTISTS TO PARTICIPATE? SO FROM THE BEGINNING YOU HAVE A BIGGER POT TO CHOOSE FROM IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE WE USE CALL TO ARTISTS, WHICH IS A CAFE.
CAFE IS INTERNATIONAL, WHICH THAT DOES.
WE'RE TALKING THOUSANDS OF ARTISTS THAT SUBSCRIBE TO THAT PLATFORM WORKS IS ANOTHER.
AND IT'S THOSE ARTISTS NATIONALLY AS WELL AS INTERNATIONALLY THAT RESPOND.
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SO. FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE KNOW CASTING THE NET THROUGH THOSE VEHICLES, AS OTHER CITIES DO, THAT THOSE ARE THE BEST METHODS TO GET THE ARTISTS WHO ARE QUALIFIED.OKAY. NO PROBLEM. I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH AND YOU SAID THERE'S NOT A LACK OF ART, WHAT DO YOU DO DIFFERENTLY? SO WE DON'T KEEP COMING BACK AND PROLONGING THE PROCESS.
TIMELINE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
SO IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO ADD TWO $0.02 WORTH THAT.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARTISTS ALONE IN THEIR ARTWORK TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND THEN WE DISPLAY THEM.
UM, I THINK WE ALSO MAY THINK ABOUT DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF PROMOTING AND, YOU KNOW, EMPHASIZING THAT ARTWORK SO THAT THE ARTISTS GET SOME BENEFIT OUT OF THAT DISPLAY AS WELL, AND THEN THAT THERE'S MORE INTEREST IN TAMARAC.
AND SO I THINK WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE ON ON ON OUR SIDE TO TO PROMOTE THIS.
AGREED. AND I THINK ONCE WE HAVE A MORE STEADY PROCESS AND NOW THAT WE FIGURED OUT WHAT OUR KINK WAS IN OUR SMOOTH PROCESS, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE SOME GREAT. BROCHURES IN THE PAST AND WE HAVE A GREAT WEBSITE THAT WE CAN MAKE PEOPLE SEE AND BE ABLE TO TOUT IT.
AND WHILE WE'VE TRIED THREE TIMES, I THINK IT WAS TO DO A GRAND OPENING FOR RIBBON CUTTING, SO TO SPEAK, FOR INSPIRATION WAY, I THINK WE PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT AGAIN, BUT WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME KIND OF FUN PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE JUST NOT MEANT TO HAVE THAT RAIN THREE TIMES LIKE MONSOON. SO ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING OUR VOICES ON THIS AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE.
UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 1014, AND I'M GOING TO CALL A 15 MINUTE RECESS.
THANK YOU. CALLING RECESS JUST YET.
YES. SORRY. ANYBODY WANT TO START THIS OFF? COMMISSIONER. RIGHT.
TELL US YOUR. I'M A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER, SO, ELVIN, YOU START IT.
I MEAN, OKAY. SO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONE.
HOW ABOUT THIS? WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE AND JUST GIVE ME A YES OR NO.
WE'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LINE AND BACK UP THE LINE AND WE'LL TRY TO.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO TO NUMBER TWO? THAT'S THE FIRST ONE. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.
LET'S DO THE FIRST ONE. YOU LIKE THIS ONE? WELL, I WANT TO MAKE A POINT BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO PROLONG THIS CONVERSATION.
DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ONE? THAT THAT WAS IN OUR EXHIBITION.
IT'S NO LONGER IT WAS IT WAS AT MCNABB AND MCNABB AND AND AND PINE ISLAND AND NOB HILL.
HONESTLY, IF WE CAN KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH THREE OF THOSE GIVING THE SAME COLORS, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
I LIKE ALL OF THEM. SO IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR ME TO PICK.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GO ONE BY ONE BY ONE.
I HAPPEN TO LIKE THAT ONE. BUT THAT'S JUST ME BECAUSE IT'S BLUE.
SO, ANYWAY, ALVIN, DO YOU LIKE THIS? GO TO THE SECOND ONE.
I'M GOING ONE BY ONE. PLEASE DON'T GO TO THE SECOND ONE.
OH, THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND HOW THIS ONE LOOKS.
SO THEN THE ANSWER IS NO TO NUMBER ONE, FOR I DO LIKE NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER ONE, BEAR IN MIND THAT I'VE GOT A NUMBER ONE FROM COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? NOT NOT AS ITS NUMBER ONE, BUT IT'S EVERYBODY LIKES THE FIRST ONE.
YES. RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN EACH.
FOR FOR PEOPLE LIKE THE BLUE ONE.
SECOND ONE. HOW MANY WANT THIS ONE? I LIKE IT BECAUSE OF CONSISTENCY.
WE DON'T HAVE A RINGING ENDORSEMENT ON THIS ONE NEXT.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH.
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YES. WE GOT A.BY AND BE MORE IS NOT DECIDED.
PLEASE. UH, THIS IS NOT FLOATING OUR BOAT.
THIS IS JUST SEEMINGLY COMPLETELY NOT.
IT'S JUST YELLOW AND RED. IT'S.
NO. WE'LL JUST SAY NO TO THIS ONE.
SO WE'VE GOT DEFINITE FIRST ONE.
LET'S GO BACK UP. ONE AND A MAN AND A A LUKEWARM THREE ISH ON FOR US ON THAT ONE.
HAVE MAY HAVE THE DANGER OF BLENDING IN AND NOT BE THAT VISIBLE.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE UP FOR A FEW MONTHS, RIGHT? IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A TEMPORARY PEACE OR ARE WE SAYING TO RAK'ATS.
THIS IS GOING INTO OUR NEXT COLLECTION, OR IS THIS ONLY TEMPORARY? FOR THE LAST TWO ISH MONTHS? AND HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO BE? HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE US TO GET THESE? AND THEN ONCE IT GETS UP, AS LONG AS MR. KATZ IS AWARE THAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON HIS ARTWORK FOR A FEW MONTHS, I.
THEY'LL FIND IT. YES, I'LL FIND IT.
IN HEARING YOUR CONCERNS OF MAKING CERTAIN THAT THE PADS ARE FILLED AND THERE'S NO GAPS.
WE'LL DO AS BEST AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO DO THAT.
AND THIS PARTICULAR ARTIST, ALL OF THESE ARE HIS WORKS.
THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND THEY'RE READY FOR BASICALLY TO COME TO MAKE IT WORTH HIS WHILE.
THANK YOU FOR SELECTING THREE OF THEM.
IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR HIM, HE WOULD PREFER TO AT LEAST TWO.
SO YOU'VE SELECTED THREE AND HE'LL BE AMENABLE TO TELL HIM.
THE TEMPORARY RAK'ATS GALLERY BEING SHOWN AT INSPIRATION WAY APPRECIATES HIS DISPLAY AND HE CAN ALSO RESUBMIT THESE AGAIN FOR WHEN WE DO OUR CALL FOR ARTISTS FOR THE NEXT ITERATION.
RIGHT. BUT WE MAKE NO PROMISES THAT THEY WILL STAY.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY WON'T, BUT JUST.
OR IF THEY STAY, THEY MAY NOT STAY AT THE PAD THAT THEY CURRENTLY OCCUPY BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR CERTAIN PIECES BECAUSE ON NOB HILL AND MCNABB, THERE CURRENTLY IS, I BELIEVE, THE GREEN WINGS.
AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE GREEN WINGS WITH WHERE NUMBER THREE WAS PRIOR.
WE GOT A CONSENSUS. WE GOT THREE.
YAY! PEOPLE ARE HAPPY AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO NOW TAKE OUR 15 MINUTE BREAK.
IT IS 1020. WE'LL BE BACK HERE AT 1035.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
WE'RE BACK AND IT IS NOW 1037.
WE'RE UP TO ITEM NUMBER ONE D.
[1.d Discussion on Shaker Village Shared Use Agreement Presented by Assistant City Manager/Community Development Director, Maxine Calloway]
DISCUSSION ON SHAKER VILLAGE SHARED USE AGREEMENT.AM I ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE, OR AM I NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.
I'M SAYING IT ANYWAY, FOR HIS LAST WORKSHOP WITH US.
THANK YOU. THIS ITEM IS TR 14 007.
JUST SOME BACKGROUND AS TO WHY THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU.
AS YOU RECALL, AT YOUR JULY 12TH MEETING, 2023, YOU APPROVED THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION FOR A PURCHASE PRICE OF $1,940,000.
AND IN THAT PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, SPECIFICALLY IN THE ADDENDUM TO COMMERCIAL CONTRACT INCLUDED A CONDITION PRECEDENT TO CLOSING THAT REQUIRED THAT A SHARED USE AGREEMENT BE NEGOTIATED AND APPROVED BY BOTH PARTIES DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, WHICH IS A 60 DAY PERIOD.
GREG AND I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THAT.
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THAT MAY INCLUDE ELEMENTS AS SET FORTH IN THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND SITE PLAN THAT THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AND THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN WITHIN 18 MONTHS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE AGREEMENT UPON APPROVAL.THAT SITE, PLAN AND CONCEPTUAL DESIGN WILL SERVE AS EXHIBIT B TO THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
THE CITY WILL ALSO USE ITS BEST EFFORTS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE TIME FRAME OUTLINED IN THE CITY'S ADOPTED BUDGET, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY, AND SHALL COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER WITHIN 36 MONTHS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE, SUBJECT TO FORCE MAJEURE EVENT, WHICH THERE IS A PROVISION CONCERNING THAT IN THE AGREEMENT AS WELL.
AS IT RELATES TO THE ASSOCIATION'S USE RIGHTS FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
THEY WILL USE A CONFERENCE ROOM OR MEETING ROOM ANNUALLY ON THE THIRD FRIDAY OF FEBRUARY FROM 7 P.M.
ALSO USE OF A CONFERENCE OR MEETING ROOM MONTHLY ON THE LAST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH FROM 7 P.M.
TO 9 P.M. FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONDUCTING THEIR MONTHLY BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING.
AND THEN THERE IS AN EXCLUSIVE USE PROVISION.
THAT ACCESS IS CONSISTENT TO THE SAME ACCESS WE WOULD GRANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
JUST SOME OTHER TERMS THAT'S INCLUDED.
AND THEY HAVE TO NAME THE CITY AS ADDITIONAL INSURED.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN INDEMNITY INDEMNIFICATION PROVISION THAT REQUIRES THE ASSOCIATION TO INDEMNIFY AND HOLD THE CITY HARMLESS AGAINST ANY CLAIMS ARISING FROM THE ASSOCIATION'S USE OF THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY CENTER.
SHOULD THIS ITEM BE APPROVED ON WEDNESDAY, IT WILL JOIN THE LIST OF EXISTING ARRANGEMENTS THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE WITH OTHER ENTITIES, AND WE HAVE THIS LISTED HERE.
JUST FOR YOUR FOR YOUR VIEW AND PLEASURE.
GO BACK, PLEASE READ THAT OUT LOUD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE BACKUP.
AND I WANT IT VERY CLEAR ON WHICH ORGANIZATIONS WE HAVE THESE AGREEMENTS WITH.
SURE. UH, BROAD COLLEGE FOR USE OF A RECREATION CENTER.
BROWARD SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR USE OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
WE HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT FOR AN EXCLUSIVE USE OF APPROXIMATELY 160FT² SPACE.
AS YOU'RE WELCOME AS IT RELATES TO THE FISCAL IMPACT.
SHAKER VILLAGE HAS BEEN IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND IN THE BUDGET.
SPECIFICALLY, FISCAL YEAR 2024, THERE'S $300,000 ALLOCATED FOR THE DESIGN AND PRE-CONSTRUCTION COSTS RELATED TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN 2025 WITH THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, WHICH IS 7,645,000.
JUST TO NOTE THAT AT THE JULY 12TH COMMISSION MEETING IS WHEN WE APPROVED THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT BY RESOLUTION 2023 083 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023, WHERE WE ALLOCATED AN ADDITIONAL 1,000,040 TO SUPPORT THE ALREADY $900,000 THAT WAS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY. MYSELF AND GREG WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
AND OF COURSE, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER. VILLALOBOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I JUST WANT TO SHARE MY SENTIMENTS ON THIS.
I DON'T AGREE THAT WE SHOULD BE ENTERING INTO THIS AGREEMENT WITH SHAKER VILLAGE.
FOR ME IS THIS IS VERY ONE SIDED.
THEY HAVE SO MANY ADVANTAGES TO THAT OF EVERY COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER USAGE SO THEY CAN BE THERE EVERY DAY, ALL DAY.
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MANAGER. SO DO THEY HAVE AN IN-HOUSE PROPERTY MANAGER? DO YOU KNOW? I'M NOT CERTAIN.OKAY. SO BECAUSE IF THEY DO OR WHOEVER, IF THEY'RE MOBILE.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE GIVING THEM AN OFFICE TO USE.
IT'S MY POINT. I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT RIDICULOUS.
IS THERE A RESTROOM IN THAT OFFICE? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO RESTROOM, WASHROOM, KIND OF A CAFETERIA FOR THEMSELVES, SPECIFICALLY IN THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
IT JUST SPEAKS TO THE TEN BY 15FT EXCLUSIVE OFFICE SPACE SO IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO A RESTROOM.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD USE THE RESTROOM THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
IS THIS GOING TO CHANGE THE PARKING SITUATION WE HAVE? SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE, WHAT, UP TO 25 PARKING SPACES FOR THE FACILITY? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THE PARKING DISCUSSION, THERE IS NOT IT HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WILL SUPPORT THE NEW COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO BASED ON THE ELEMENTS THAT GO IN, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S ULTIMATELY CONSTRUCTED, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WILL THEN DICTATE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. IT CAN BE MORE, IT CAN BE LESS THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON SITE, BUT THAT SITE IS INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED COMPLETELY WITH NEW ELEMENTS AND A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER WITH A SITE PLAN THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION WITH PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS DICTATED BY YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SO IF IT'S A 5000FT² FACILITY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES? I NEED TO KNOW THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN BECAUSE THAT DICTATES AS WELL.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELEMENTS ARE GOING IN AND IT'S A MINIMUM.
YEAH. OUR FIRST DISCUSSION SAID SOMEONE SAID 25.
YEAH, I HEARD THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THE SPACES THAT ARE THERE IS NOT DETERMINED IN FACT AS TO THE SPACES THAT WILL BE THERE WHEN THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS CONSTRUCTED. THAT PARTICULAR OFFICE IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MINIMUM PARKING SPACES.
YEAH. AND AGAIN, I WILL JUST END WITH WHAT I STARTED.
I THINK THIS IS A BAD ACQUISITION.
I THINK IT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT ON THE CITY.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE IN NEED.
BUT AGAIN, SINCE FUNDS ARE BEING USED FOR THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND I EXPECT THAT THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE MONEY THAT'S NOT BEING ESCROWED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY SHOULD COME FROM THE CITY CITY STAFF, DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO HOLD EVERYONE ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT, INCLUDING ANY MONEY IN THE FUTURE THAT MAY THAT MAY BE COMING TO THEM.
RIGHT. SO THE COMMUNITY CENTER CITY PROPERTY.
RIGHT. WE WE ONCE THIS GOES THROUGH, IS GOING TO BE CITY PROPERTY.
RIGHT. WE OWN WE THE THE THE CITIZENS OF TAMARAC OWN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
YEAH. THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT THAT YOU APPROVE IS TO ACQUIRE THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO IF IT BELONGS TO ALL OF US, WHY ARE WE GIVING SPECIFIC PREFERENCE TO ONE COMMUNITY? WELL, THEY'RE CONSIDERATIONS.
NORMALLY THAT'S A PART OF ANY PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT AS NEGOTIATED.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS A PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS PURCHASE THAT WE MADE ON JULY 12TH AS A PART OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, WE AGREED THAT WE WOULD NEGOTIATE A SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO WE ARE GOING TO AGREE TO THESE THESE, THESE TERMS. WELL, THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT SAYS THAT DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD THAT THE PARTIES WOULD NEGOTIATE A SHARED USE AGREEMENT THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED WITHIN THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, WHICH IS WHY THIS ITEM IS NOW BEFORE YOU.
YEAH, I WOULD IMAGINE. IF YOU'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THESE TERMS. YES. OKAY. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SINCE NOBODY ELSE SEEMS TO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS MATTER.
DON'T BE SCARED ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COMMISSIONER WRIGHT JUST SAID.
WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE ANYTHING.
WE ARE TO NEGOTIATE AND HOPEFULLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT, CORRECT? WE ARE NOT LEGALLY BOUND TO HAVE TO AGREE TO TERMS THAT WE MAY NOT AGREE TO.
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NO, YOU'RE NOT. I THINK THE LANGUAGE SAYS SPECIFICALLY.THE THE CITY OF TAMARAC EVER SEND A LETTER TO THE COMMUNITY DEMANDING THEY SELL THE PROPERTY TO US? DID WE EVER SEND A LETTER SAYING YOU MUST SELL THE PROPERTY TO US? YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. ANYTHING OF THAT SORT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE SENT A LETTER.
CORRECT. I HAVE BEEN SPENDING MANY HOURS ON THIS, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
I'M A LITTLE BIT ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE OF NEW THINGS THAT ARE COMING IN DAILY.
THE NEWEST THING THAT CAME IN LATE LAST NIGHT WAS THE CITY DEMANDED TO SHAKER VILLAGE.
THAT THEY SELL THE PROPERTY TO US.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC DID NOT DEMAND THIS.
AND IT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS AND THE OPTION SELECTED BY SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY OF SHAKER VILLAGE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPTION TO SELL, TAKE THAT OPTION TO HAVE US PURCHASE IT FOR TERMS. ONE OF THE THINGS COMMISSIONER RIGHT THAT YOU'VE TOUCHED ON ABOUT TERMS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TO US, THIS COMMISSION ABDICATED ITS RIGHTS TO NEGOTIATE TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY MANAGER AND IS NOT MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL.
SO WE MAY NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS. AND NOW THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE AS A COMMISSION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CONVERSATION.
I KNOW I'M NOT ABDICATING MY RIGHTS.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'VE BEEN ASKING THE CITY WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON, AND I'VE WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION FOR YEARS, WHICH IS WHY I'M STILL BURNING THAT IT WASN'T ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP TO US AND I HAD TO BRING IT UP AT THE JUNE BUDGET MEETING TO EVEN GET ANY CONVERSATION STARTED.
CITY ATTORNEY I'VE BEEN ASKING AND I HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CASE LAW ON POINT THAT THE CITY AS A CITY CAN ENTER INTO A SHARED USE AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY? UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER AND MAXINE FOR WORKING WITH ME TO NEGOTIATE THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR.
IN FACT, I THINK MAXINE OBVIOUSLY SHOWED THAT SOME EXAMPLE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THAT'S A NON PROFIT, I BELIEVE HAVE A SHARED USE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S TYPICAL.
MOREOVER, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I CAN TELL YOU THROUGH POLICY CREATIVE THINKING, I WAS CHARGED TO BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN SUNNY ISLES BEACH FOR A PARK WHICH WAS OWNED BY A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHICH NEEDED FOR PARKING FOR A HOTEL IN EXCHANGE FOR THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY WHICH SOLD FOR $19.5 MILLION.
WE AGREED BECAUSE THE PARK WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO BUILD A 400 SPACE GARAGE.
THAT WOULD BE A SHARED USE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE HOTEL.
IN FACT, 300 SPACES WENT FOR THE HOTEL AND THE CITY HAD 100 SPACES.
SO WITH RESPECT TO LEGALITY, IN FACT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, SHAKER VILLAGE IS A NONPROFIT.
THE FACT THAT IT'S A NON IT DOESN'T IT DIDN'T PAY TAXES BEFORE.
AND SO A SHARED USE AGREEMENT HAS NO TAX IMPLICATION IN THIS CASE.
SO THERE'S NOTHING ON THE FLOOR THAT PRECLUDES THIS.
I THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY CIRCULAR EXPLANATION AND THANK YOU.
EVER THOUGHT I WAS FUNNY? SO BASICALLY, I DON'T KNOW.
SO LET'S NOT TRY TO DRAG IN THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY COUNT.
CITY OF TAMARAC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS A BUSINESS.
IT IS A PROFIT AND IT IS A DIFFERENT ENTITY.
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AND ALL THOSE OTHER ENTITIES ARE SCHOOLS.AND UNDER FLORIDA LAW, THERE IS A STATUTE SPECIFICALLY ON POINT FOR SHARED USE AGREEMENT OF ENTITIES WITH DEALING WITH SCHOOL AND DEALING WITH CITIES JUST FOR THIS PURPOSE.
CITY ATTORNEY I HAVE NOT RECEIVED NONE OF US HAVE RECEIVED.
I MADE IT. IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.
I SENT IT TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION, KNEW WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR AND NOBODY REPLIED.
SO NOBODY'S IN TROUBLE. SO I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO.
BUT I HAVE. YOU HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY THIS CASE LAW? CASE LAW IS A COURT DECISION, AND I'M INDICATING TO YOU THERE IS NO COURT DECISION ON THIS MATTER.
THEN THEN BASICALLY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR RESPONSE TO THE ATTORNEY RESPONSE.
THERE'S NO CASE LAW ON IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT DONE.
IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO IN AN AGREEMENT FOR USE OF CITY PROPERTY WITH CITY FUNDS.
SO THE ANSWER IS THERE'S NO CASE LAW ON IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT DONE.
IT IS DIFFERENT THAN A PRIVATE STRUCTURE SUCH AS SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS COMMISSION IS AWARE OF THERE'S A COMMUNITY BANYAN LAKES.
NICE COMMUNITY. IT ACTUALLY SHARES A COMMON AREA RIGHT NEXT TO SHAKER VILLAGE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF NOW IF BANYAN LAKES DECIDES TO COME TO US? THEY'VE DECIDED AT A COMMISSION AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS.
WE'VE ENTERED A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
THE WHOLE COMMISSION RECEIVED AN EMAIL LAST NIGHT FROM A RESIDENT WHO'S A LITTLE BIT UNHAPPY AS HER ASSOCIATION DOESN'T HAVE A CLUBHOUSE AND THEY HAVE TO PAY A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS EVERY TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO USE THE CITY OF TAMARAC COMMUNITY CENTER.
TWO. SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION.
AND AGAIN. TWO. SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY.
I'M NOT AGAINST YOUR COMMUNITY.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN THE ONE WHO'S WANTED TO HELP.
I'VE WANTED TO COME TO THE MEETINGS.
BUT BEING SHUT OUT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THERE NEEDS TO BE RATIONAL USE OF CITY FUNDS.
SO QUESTION ABOUT GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF IN THE CONTRACT.
THE CONTRACTS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IS DATED JULY 28TH.
BUT IN OUR USE, WE'RE USING JULY 29TH.
WHAT PAPER ARE WE GOING BY THAT SHOWS JULY 29TH AS AN EFFECTIVE DATE? I'M LOOKING AT THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT, THE OFFICE INTEROFFICE MEMORANDUMS THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOR THE BACKUP OF THIS PROJECT.
IT IS SHOWING THAT JULY 29TH IS THE DATE OF OUR EFFECTIVE DATE.
THE FRONT PAGE OF THE INTEROFFICE MEMO.
IT'S ALSO IN OUR TEMPORARY RESOLUTION ON PAGE TWO OF FOUR.
RENAISSANCE MANAGEMENT GROUP, INC 1773 NORTH STATE ROAD SEVEN, SUITE 200 LAUDERHILL, FLORIDA 33313.
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BUT THE THERE IS A SEPARATE OFFICE ON 40 MEACHAM IN SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION PROPERTY TO THE NORTH SIDE CLOSER TO BAILEY WHERE THEY HAVE A SEPARATE COMMON ELEMENTS SO THEY HAVE OFFICE SPACE RIGHT THERE.WHY ARE WE GIVING A BUSINESS? IT'S NOT EVEN SHAKER VILLAGE ITSELF A BUSINESS, A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OFFICE IN OUR CITY FACILITIES.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING AND GOING AND ENTERING FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
WHAT CONCERNS DO WE HAVE HERE TO SHOW THAT IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR SHAKER VILLAGE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND NOT ANYBODY ELSE THAT THEY MANAGE PROPERTIES FOR? WE HAVE NOTHING IN THERE IN THIS AGREEMENT, SO THERE'S THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED IF THIS SHOULD GO FORWARD.
I AM NOT FOR GIVING THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT A SEPARATE.
ENTITY. A BUSINESS OFFICE IN OUR CITY COMMUNITY CENTER.
HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR THE ALLEGED USE OF A SHARED USE AGREEMENT FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THEM TO DO THINGS IN? FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DO THINGS IN THE IN IN THIS SPACE, IN THIS COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM. I KNOW THAT THERE IS A REQUEST FOR INSURANCE BY THE ASSOCIATION NAMING THE CITY AS ADDITIONAL INSURED.
IS THAT FOR THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING RENAISSANCE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT BE A TENANT? SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION BEING A TENANT.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DO NOT USE RENAISSANCE MANAGEMENT ANYMORE? IS IT FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT THEY PUT IN? THESE ARE RHETORICAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE YOU CAN'T ANSWER ME RIGHT NOW, SO.
UM. WHEN IT SAYS FISCAL IMPACT ON THE SAME MEMO. WE TALK ABOUT FUNDS FROM THIS STRUCTURE AND THIS STRUCTURE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUNDS THAT WERE ALLOCATED FOR THE MULTI-PURPOSE CENTER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO FOR DOING SOME REPAIRS THERE, FIXING THAT UP, MODERNIZING THAT, DOING THE STUDY FOR THAT, WHICH IS A VERY HIGHLY USED PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY BY OUR CITY, AND CHALLENGER ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR. IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN IN THAT COMMUNITY CENTER, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TO THE GYM AND SEE WHAT WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR KIDS GET TO PLAY IN.
LET'S SEE WHERE WE SHOULD BE ALLOCATING SOME FUNDS THERE TO.
UM. NO, I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ANSWER IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER IT.
I'M NOT ASKING TO PUT THEM IN A HOT SEAT.
IF YOU HAVE ANSWERS FOR WEDNESDAY NIGHT, THAT'S FINE UNLESS YOU WANT TO ANSWER IT.
THE MULTIPURPOSE CENTER RENOVATION IS SCHEDULED IN OUR CIP.
AND ON WEDNESDAY WE CAN TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY WHAT YEAR IT'S SCHEDULED FOR.
OH, YEAH, I CAN JUST LET YOU KNOW.
SO IT'S A FULL, FULL SCALE PROJECT.
YES. I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME COMMISSIONER GELIN HAD JUST GOT ON THE COMMISSION.
SO LET'S SEE, THAT WAS AT LEAST FIVE YEARS AGO AND THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, A STUDY TO DO SO AND I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYTHING ELSE WILL SHARE WITH US ON WEDNESDAY IS THAT IT GOT PUSHED BACK AND PUSHED BACK.
YEAH, IT'S SCHEDULED FOR 2029.
SO. I AM NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE TEMPORARY RESOLUTION ALSO SAYING THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE WE'RE PASSING THIS INFORMATION TO HAVE THIS NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS TO EFFECTUATE THE SAME WITHOUT THIS COMMISSION BEING NOTIFIED.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION BEFOREHAND.
DAYS PRIOR, ONE DAY PRIOR TO A CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
SO BASICALLY WHEN CONTRACTING, NORMALLY WE LOOK AT CALENDARS AND WE LOOK TO SEE HOW THE DATES FALL ON A CALENDAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING OUR CLIENTS IN JEOPARDY OF THINGS AND PUTTING PRESSURE ON PEOPLE TO NEGOTIATE TERMS THAT MAY NOT BE IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS BECAUSE OF A TIME FRAME.
SO LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL SHARE USE AGREEMENT ON THE VERY TOP OF THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT, WHEN AN AGREEMENT IS PREPARED IN THE LEGAL WORLD, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE FILED TO PUBLIC RECORD ON THE VERY TOP LEFT, IT SAYS WHO THE INSTRUMENT WAS PREPARED BY AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE RECORDED AND RETURNED TO IF NEEDED.
THIS INSTRUMENT PREPARED AND IT SAYS WITHOUT REVIEW OF TITLE OR OPINION OF TITLE BY JOSE EL BOLERO,
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BECKER AND POLIAKOFF PR 2525 PONCELUDON BOULEVARD, SUITE 825 CORAL GABLES, FLORIDA.33134. I ADMIT TO YOU, MY EYES POPPED OUT OF MY HEAD.
THE TITLE TO GIVE THEM LEGAL ADVICE TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDED TO HAVE 358 PEOPLE VOTE, GIVEN THE OPTION TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY TO US.
AND HE IS SAYING HE'S NOT REVIEWED LEGAL TITLE IN WRITING.
I DID SAY SHARED USE AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO OBVIOUSLY THIS SHARED USE AGREEMENT STARTED OUT NEGOTIATING, IN FACT, MAYBE A FEW WEEKS AFTER APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION.
AND IF IF JOSE, I WILL TELL THEM, HEY, THIS IS A CONCERN.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DELETING IT BECAUSE HE HAS A TITLE IN HIS HAND.
OKAY. WE'LL GET TO THAT ONE IN A SECOND.
HE HAS A PROBLEM. BUT BEING HONEST, IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT PHRASE, BEING HONEST, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE NEGOTIATIONS REGARDING THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT STARTED PRIOR TO YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER GETTING THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO, BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE UNDER DIFFERENT OPINIONS OF WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE RECEIVING IN THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT FOR USE OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY WANTED A POOL, THEY WANTED THIS, THEY WANTED THAT.
SO THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IF THE ATTORNEY REVIEWED THE TITLE FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
TO KNOW IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD.
THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT DOES HAVE AS THE EFFECTIVE DATE HEREOF.
AND I'M PRESUMING THAT THIS SHARE AGREEMENT, IF IT SHOULD BE APPROVED, IS GOING TO BE EXECUTED AT CLOSING, WHICH IS WHY THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD BE AT SUCH TIME. IS THAT CORRECT? CITY ATTORNEY.
NO, IN FACT SHALL USE AGREEMENT WOULD BE EXECUTED UPON APPROVAL BY THE BOARD AND ALSO THE CITY COMMISSION, AND IT COULD BE EXECUTED BEFORE CLOSING.
THAT'S WHAT I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WAS HOPING THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE YOUR ANSWER.
SO WE WIND UP PUTTING TOGETHER A USE OF AGREEMENT TIMEFRAMES ON MATTERS IN WHICH.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CONTRACT AND THE SALE DOESN'T GO THROUGH? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE TITLE OBJECTIONS ARE? ONES THAT. ARE SO BIG THAT WE REALLY CAN'T.
GO PAST. YOU'VE JUST OBLIGATED US IN A CONTRACT THAT WE CAN'T DO.
SO IT WOULD BE PROBABLY MUCH MORE WISE TO HAVE THIS AS A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD BE EXECUTED AT CLOSING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. THIS SHOW USES CONDITIONAL CLOSING.
IF WE DON'T CLOSE THE SHOW, USE DOESN'T EXIST.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT INSTRUMENT. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S AN INSTRUMENT OF DOCUMENT OF CLOSING.
WHEREAS MAY THE PROPERTY MAY BE OUT ON THE FORTH, WHEREAS.
I ACTUALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SECOND.
TOGETHER WITH CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THEREON.
AND THAT SACRED VILLAGE ASSOCIATION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT.
IN THIS DOCUMENT IN AND OF ITSELF.
GOING TO BILL NUMBER FOUR, WHEREAS THE ASSOCIATION, DURING ITS OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, MAY BE SUBJECT TO VARIOUS LIENS, OUTSTANDING VIOLATION CITATIONS, OPEN EXPIRED PERMITS AND OTHER MATTERS SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
I'VE BEEN ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES, WHY ARE WE WAIVING THE LIENS?
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WHY ARE WE WAIVING THE LIENS? JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, WE DID A TITLE SEARCH OF THAT PROPERTY.THERE'S NO LIENS ON THAT PROPERTY, SO CONSEQUENTLY WE ARE NOT WAIVING ANY LIENS.
SO THEN THE LIENS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE ROOFS.
THE OTHER COMMON ELEMENTS, THEY'RE NOT STILL OUT THERE.
NO. AND THIS PROPERTY, AGAIN, AS ESTABLISHED BY SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY, ALSO IS NOT A COMMON ELEMENT OF THE CONDO.
THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT STANDS ALONE.
WELL, THAT IS GOING TO BE AN ITEM THAT WILL BE.
SETTLED BEFORE CLOSING BECAUSE IT ASSOCIATION.
THE ASSOCIATION IS MADE UP OF MEMBERS.
I'M NOT GOING TO DO ALL THE LEGAL ITEMS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW UNLESS ASKED, BUT.
THEY CANNOT SELL PROPERTY THEY CANNOT HAVE THERE.
THEY CANNOT HAVE THEIR CAKE AND EAT IT, TOO.
THEY CANNOT BE SAID THAT THIS IS NOT ASSOCIATION PROPERTY, REAL PROPERTY.
AND THEN BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE DECLARATION ON HOW TO SELL IT.
IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, AND I DISAGREE.
WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO THE TITLE IN A MINUTE THAT YOU KEEP REFERRING TO.
WHY ARE WE ENTERING ON THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER? WHAT DOES OUR ABILITY TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S ON CITY PROPERTY? BECAUSE WE'RE BUYING IT.
WHY ARE WE GIVING OURSELVES A TIE IN HERE TO AN ASSOCIATION, TO A COMMUNITY TO TELL US THAT WE OWE THEM A BUILDING IN 18 MONTHS? THEY SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF THAT.
NOTHING ABOUT BUILDING THIS ASSOCIATION COMMUNITY CENTER SHOULD BE IN THERE.
THE CITY IS AGREEING TO BUILD ON ITS PROPERTY.
MAYBE THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE.
TAMARAC LAKES ONE AND TWO KINGS POINT.
WOODMONT. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY GETS TO TELL US WHAT GOES IN THERE? LIKE ANY ONE OF OUR OTHER PARK OPEN FORUMS THAT WE HAVE.
I AM VEHEMENTLY AGAINST HAVING SHAKER VILLAGE AND ANYTHING OF BUILDING THIS COMMUNITY CENTER IN HERE AND ANY TIES TO THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY HAVING ANY RIGHT TO TELL US WHAT TO DO AND.
THAT IS ITEM NUMBER ON NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER 2.1 SHOULD BE COMPLETELY REMOVED.
SO NUMBER THREE FOR ASSOCIATION RIGHTS.
THE ASSOCIATION SHALL HAVE THE FOLLOWING RIGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY BOTHERED TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR, BUT THE THIRD.
THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH, THE LAST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
WE CLOSE THE BUILDING FOR THANKSGIVING? IT'S A PUBLIC BUILDING. WE CLOSE IT DOWN.
ARE WE NOW GOING TO BE OBLIGATED TO OPEN IT UP BECAUSE SHAKER VILLAGE MAY WANT TO HAVE THANKSGIVING THERE? THINK ABOUT IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME.
WHAT ABOUT SECURITY? DO WE HAVE ANY SECURITY THAT'S GOING TO BE OBLIGATED THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF IN CASE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE MAYBE DISGRUNTLED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE ASSESSMENTS TO PAY AND THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PAY IT, OR THAT THE ASSESSMENTS HAVE GONE HIGHER BECAUSE THE $1.5 MILLION THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE WATER PIPES ARE MAYBE NOT ENOUGH.
AND MAYBE TO COVER THE MILLION DOLLAR PER OCCURRENCE TO MILLION DOLLAR AGGREGATE INSURANCE POLICY.
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WHAT KIND OF DEFAULT WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO PAY.OR ARE WE SAYING TO THEM, OH, YOU DIDN'T PAY YOUR ELECTRIC BILL THAT WE GIVE YOU OR THAT THE FPL? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE WE'RE CODIFYING IN HERE.
WHAT IS OUR REMEDY? THEY DON'T PAY IT. THEY DON'T PAY IT.
THEY DON'T PAY IT. WE KICK THEM OUT.
DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO? WHAT IF WE LOCK THE DOORS ON THEM AND WE DON'T LET THEM IN AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE IT? DO THEY GET TO SUE US? WHAT IS THE REMEDY? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH THOUGHT OUT IN HERE TO HELP US OUT IN FIGURING OUT A CONTRACT FOR A SHARED USE AGREEMENT, WHICH, AGAIN, I DO NOT BELIEVE IS A PROPER TERM.
AUTHORIZATION. AUTHORIZATION PARTIES WARN AND REPRESENT THAT THEY HAVE EACH THEY EACH HAVE TAKEN STEPS NECESSARY FOR THE AUTHORIZATION, APPROVAL, EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF THIS AGREEMENT.
IF THERE'S GOING TO BE NOTICES GIVEN.
WHEN THE TIME COMES IN, THE BUILDING IS OPERATIONAL, THE NOTICE SHOULD BE GIVEN RIGHT UPSTAIRS OR DOWNSTAIRS OR WHICHEVER PLACE IN THE PROPERTY WE'RE GIVING THEIR MANAGEMENT COMPANY. THE RIGHT OF ACCESS TO BE THERE FROM 9 TO 5 OR IS IT 9 TO 6? WE SHOULDN'T BE GIVING NOTICES TO THEIR PROPERTY IN STATE ROAD SEVEN.
WHERE IS THE ACTUAL TITLE COMMITMENT? NOT THE PRO FORMA.
A MAYOR. IN FACT, I MY COMMENT TO YOU WAS THAT THE TITLE COMMITMENT, WHEN YOU ASKED FOR IT, I SENT YOU THE PRO FORMA TITLE COMMITMENT, WHICH BASICALLY IS CUSTOMARY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD SOME ISSUES THAT WE HAD ASKED SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE MOVED TO CLOSE IT.
SO YOU GOT THE COMMITMENT, YOU GOT A COPY OF IT.
AND ALSO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE PRO FORMA COPY OF IT.
AND WE WE INTEND TO EXECUTE THAT CLOSING IF ALL THE TITLE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I ADVISE YOU.
AND WHEN YOU ASK FOR THE TITLE POLICY AND I'M VERY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
OKAY. BUT THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
A PRO FORMA IS PRINTED ON A PROPOSED POLICY.
AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDED.
AND THEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT BECAUSE THE TITLE COMMITMENTS, NOT A PRO FORMA, NOT A PROPOSAL, BUT THE COMMITMENT SAYS THESE ARE THE FOLLOWING THINGS THAT MUST BE TAKEN CARE OF IN ORDER TO GIVE CLEAR TITLE TO THE BUYER.
AND ON THE EXCEPTIONS, IT LISTS THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO AGREE THAT WE WILL ACCEPT AS A.
POSSIBLE CLOUD ON TITLE OR JUST AN AGREEMENT ON TITLE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN EASEMENT WITH SHAKER VILLAGE BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? IF THIS COMMUNITY CENTER IS GOING TO BE ACTIVATED AS WE SUPPOSEDLY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IT'S NOT RIGHT OFF OF COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
THOSE ARE REFLECTED IN A PRO FORMA TITLE.
I'M GOING TO FINISH MY SENTENCE.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT.
WE'RE ONLY BUYING ONE PARCEL, NOT ALL THREE PROPERTIES.
THAT IS THE TUNE OF THE $1.94 MILLION IN THE APPRAISAL.
SO WE HAVE TO TURN INTO THIS COMMUNITY.
THIS COMMUNITY HAS PRIVATE ROADS.
ARE WE NOW SAYING TO THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE OF THE WEAR AND TEAR, FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME TO THIS COMMUNITY CENTER, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING OFF OF BAILEY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE TRAFFIC ON COMMERCIAL AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP OFF OF COMMERCIAL AND COME ONTO THE PROPERTY.
ARE WE NOW TAKING OVER THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PAVING OF THE ROADS? DO WE HAVE A NEW OBLIGATION THAT WE ARE PUTTING OURSELVES UNDER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY ACTIVE.
SO WE HAVE A DRAFT EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
WE'D ONLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NEGLIGENT CONDUCT OF CITY EMPLOYEES, CITY AGENTS AND CITY BASICALLY.
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CONTRACTORS. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE MORE WILL BE DRIVING ON THEIR STREETS THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING TO THIS TAMARAC COMMUNITY CENTER AT SHAKER VILLAGE.
UM, SO ON THERE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU ARE CORRECT.
THESE THINGS, THE EASEMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE, UM.
ALSO WITHIN THERE IS A TITLE ISSUE WITH MCMANUS AND WHOEVER THEY TRANSFER THE PROPERTY TO THEREOF.
SO THE NEW OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN IT, WE'RE SAYING YES TO.
BUYING THIS PROPERTY AT THIS TIME WITH AS LISTED AS THE TITLE EXCEPTION.
AND WE'RE NOT PROTECTED UNDER OUR TITLE POLICY.
TITLE POLICY IS INSURANCE MONEY THAT THEY WOULD PROTECT US FOR ANY TITLE ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY UNLESS IT'S ON THE EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE PROPERTY WITH THIS TITLE EXCEPTION.
CITY ATTORNEY. HOW OFTEN DO YOU SPEAK TO MS..
LEVIN OR SETTLEMENT AGENT? HOW OFTEN? CORRECT.
HAS SHE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT THE CURRENT STATUS OF OUR TITLE? OUR TITLE COMMITMENT? SHE HAS ADVISED ME THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE I GAVE HER A COPY OF THE I CALL IT THREATENED LAWSUIT, AND SHE ADVISED ME THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE IF THAT'S NOT RESOLVED.
AND THEREFORE, I TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO ALSO ADVISE SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY LOOK, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF UNIT OWNERS IN WHICH HE HAD COPIES OF THE LETTER AND HAS GIVE NOTICE OF POTENTIAL CLAIM THAT HE NEEDS TO RESOLVE.
HE INTEND TO MEET WITH HIS CLIENTS AND DEVELOP A GAME PLAN AND LET THE CITY KNOW THE GAME PLAN.
AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A CITY ISSUE.
IT'S A SHAKER VILLAGE ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO THE ABILITY TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU DON'T, I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TELL THE COMMISSION THAT IF THERE'S A LAWSUIT THAT'S MAYBE A TITLE CLOUD. I WOULD I WOULD SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO BUY INTO A LAWSUIT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, SHAKER VILLAGE HAS TO COME UP WITH A GAME PLAN TO DEAL WITH IT.
THEY FEEL THAT THEY ARE BEING PRESSURED INTO THIS AND THEY ARE AFRAID THAT IF THEY SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THIS, THAT THEY MAY HAVE RAMIFICATIONS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY OR PEOPLE THERE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS ARE NOT BEING TRAMPLED ON.
THAT THE JENNIFER MRS LEVIN RECEIVED NOTICE THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANY BANK OR ANY INSURER WANT TO BUY INTO A LAWSUIT.
I BEEN THERE. YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT GETS STALLED.
IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL LAWSUIT, INSURER PROBABLY SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.
WE NEED TO RESOLVE IT BEFORE WE INSURE IT.
SO SO WITH THE THREAT OF A POTENTIAL LAWSUIT, THAT'S WHY IT'S PRETTY CLEAR.
SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY, IS YOUR JOB TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE.
YOU INDICATED TO ME THAT YOU CAN SELL THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT YOU AND OWNER VOTE.
YOU NEED TO RESOLVE IT, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE RESOLVED BY VERBAL TO ME.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE CONCRETE STEPS TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
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SHE IS ISSUING WOULD BE ISSUING TITLE FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC AS BUYER.THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO RIGHT NOW WITH SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION.
MS.. LEVIN, IF SHE HAS NOT ALREADY DONE SO, SHOULD HAVE OR WILL BE SENDING YOU A NOTICE.
SO THEREFORE, CITY ATTORNEY, SINCE WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO WEEKS, SHOULDN'T WE BE NOTIFIED SO WE CAN DISCUSS THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE BUYING A PROPERTY THAT COULD BE INSURED BY TITLE? SHOULDN'T WE BE NOTIFIED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? MAYOR, AS I INDICATED TO YOU, IF.
SO RIGHT NOW, WE WILL PROCEED.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH SHAKER VILLAGE.
SHAKER VILLAGE HAS NOT BREACHED THE CONTRACT.
WE ALREADY DEPOSIT $100,000 IF THEY CANNOT EITHER PRIOR TO CLOSING, PROVIDE MARKETABLE TITLE OR BASICALLY TERMINATE THE CONTRACT AND LOSE $100,000 BECAUSE TITLE OBJECTION PERIOD ENDS SEPTEMBER 20TH.
THIS WOULD BE A TITLE OBJECTION.
WE HAVE TO DO OUR TITLE OBJECTIONS BY OCTOBER SEPTEMBER 26TH.
IT IS THE BALL IS IN THEIR COURT.
SO OUR JOB IS TO LIKE ANY OTHER PROPERTY TRANSACTION WITH RESPECT TO IT, IS THE SELLER OBLIGATION TO GIVE US MARKETABLE TITLE, NOT THE NOT THE BUYER.
OUR CONTRACT IS WRITTEN THAT HAS TITLE OBJECTIONS THAT MUST BE OBLIGATED FOR US TO DETERMINE IF WE IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD. OUR CONTRACT SAYS IF WE DON'T CANCEL THE CONTRACT BY SEPTEMBER 26TH FOR TITLE OBJECTIONS, WE ACCEPT THE PROPERTY WITH ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS. MAYOR AND WE DON'T HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT, A VALID.
WE HAVE PUT SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY ON NOTICE BASED ON THIS POTENTIAL CLAIM THAT CREATE A TITLE ISSUE.
I JUST SPOKE TO HIM AGAIN THIS MORNING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THE STATUS.
AND HE ADVISED ME THAT HE'S GOING TO MEET WITH HIS CLIENT TO FIGURE OUT A STEP GOING FORWARD.
SO RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE THE TITLE OBJECTIONS.
AND ALSO WE ALSO LEARNED SOME OTHER TITLE OBJECTIONS THAT HE NEEDS TO CORRECT.
SO SO WE ARE FOLLOWING THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS.
WE HAVE, IN FACT, WITH RESPECT TO PROTECTING THE CITY DURING THIS PROCESS, WE ARE DOING IT SO THERE'S NO RISK OF LOSS OF ANY DEPOSIT.
THE ISSUE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
UH, WE HAVE A VILLAGE ATTORNEY TO ADDRESS IT IMMEDIATELY, AND I'M WAITING FOR A FORMAL RESPONSE.
AND IF WE DON'T RECEIVE A FORMAL RESPONSE, I WILL ALERT THE COMMISSION.
AGAIN, I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO US BEING THE FOCUS.
WE ARE THE CLIENT AND WE HAVE NO TITLE COMMITMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
LEVIN TRIED TO FIND ANOTHER UNDERWRITER WHO MIGHT.
OR WILL WE NOT BE INSURABLE AT THIS TIME? THE ISSUE ON THE TITLE AGAIN.
THE ATTORNEY FOR THE POTENTIAL CLAIMANT CONTACTED, I BELIEVE, THE TITLE INSURANCE AND WITH THE SAME LETTERS THAT HE FORWARDED TO SHAKER VILLAGE TO MYSELF AND TO YOU.
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OBVIOUSLY, THE INSURER DOESN'T WANT TO BUY A LAWSUIT.SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN MY IN MY RESPONSE.
SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY LOOK, WE HAVE THIS POTENTIAL CLAIM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REAL OR IF IT'S FAKE, BUT YOU NEED TO RESOLVE IT.
SO WE STILL HAVE TIME IN THIS DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD FOR THEM TO CORRECT THE ISSUES.
IN FACT, HE INDICATED THAT HE MAY FILE A COURT ACTION TO GET CLARITY ON THE ISSUE THAT YOU I THINK YOU WANT CLARITY IS THE FACT THAT WHETHER THIS PROPERTY CAN BE SOLD WITHOUT UNIT OWNER VOTES.
SO THAT'S REALLY SHAKER VILLAGE.
SO THE LAWSUIT THAT'S BEING FILED, IF NOT ALREADY FILED, HASN'T BEEN FILED.
HOW DO I KNOW? BECAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I. MAY NOT BE GIVING PEOPLE $25 GIFT CARDS AND TELLING THEM TO COME TO A MEETING TO SHOW UP AND THREATENING THEM BY SAYING YOUR ASSESSMENTS ARE GOING TO GO UP BY $1,000 A MONTH.
BUT I THINK THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE OUT IN THE OPEN BECAUSE IT IS NOT BEEN OUT IN THE OPEN FOR AN HONEST AND FAIR AND COMPLETE EXCHANGE TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN A VERY SMART, WISE, FIDUCIARY WAY THAT THIS CITY HAS THE OBLIGATION TO DO VERSUS TRYING TO RAMROD THINGS THROUGH A COMMISSION VERY QUICKLY UNDER POLITICS.
SO, YES, I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO ME AND THAT'S WHY I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE SCARED AND THAT'S WHY I KNOW SOME OF THE STUFF GOING ON. AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO HELP THE CITY BY SHOWING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF CERTAIN THINGS PRIOR TO A CONTRACT.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THINGS ARE DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS VERSUS IN THE LIGHT.
SO WE NOW HAVE A LAWSUIT PENDING WHERE WE WON'T BE A PART OF IT.
MAYOR SO YOU JUST ADMITTED IT HASN'T BEEN FILED, SO I DID NOT SAY IT'S BEEN FILED.
YOU SAY IT'S PENDING. THAT MEANS THE LAWSUIT IS COMING.
MY APOLOGIES. I USED THE WRONG WORD.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CORRECT THE LAWSUIT.
WILL IS COMMON, AND I'M NOT FILING IT.
AND MAYOR BECAUSE SHE ALREADY SENT.
THEY TOLD US THAT IT'S COMING.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO AWAY.
AND I FIND IN FACT, SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY BELIEVES THAT'S A POSITIVE, IN FACT, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A DECLARATORY ITEM IN IT, IT COULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE WHETHER YOU NEED UNIT ON THE VOTE.
SO BUT WE WELCOME THE LAWSUIT.
BUT WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE IN SUCH A RUSH? WHY ARE WE NOT PUTTING SOME BRAKES ON THESE THINGS, BEING PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF HAVING RESIDENTS WHO ARE SO ANNOYED WITH US, WHETHER THEY'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT? WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THE SMART THING? WHY ARE WE NOT SAYING AS A COMMISSION, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE NEED TO CANCEL OR POSTPONE THIS ITEM.
WHY ARE WE PLAYING THESE GAMES? WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY, A TITLE POLICY, AND AS YOU'VE SAID SEVERAL TIMES, NO UNDERWRITER IS GOING TO GIVE US A TITLE COMMITMENT, KNOWING THAT THE LAWSUITS BEING FILED, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A TITLE ISSUE AND REALISTICALLY, IF THEY SAY THAT WE NEED 70, THE COMMUNITY NEEDS 75 PEOPLE TO VOTE, 75% OF THE COMMUNITY TO VOTE ON IT.
DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET PROPER NOTICE AND GET THE COMMUNITY THERE FOR A VOTE BY SEPTEMBER 26TH WHEN WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO SAY WE WILL TAKE IT WITH A PROBLEM OR NOT? MAYOR, THAT'S THAT'S A VILLAGE ISSUE.
MAYOR, LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S PUT IT IF YOU WERE MY CLIENT, I WOULD TELL YOU, YOU DO NOT TOUCH THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE POTENTIALLY BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS TITLE ISSUES ON IT AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO GET OUT FOR A TITLE CLAIM.
I THINK THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY, IT STARTED WAY BEFORE ME AND IN FACT IT WAS A HISTORY WHERE INITIALLY THE CITY AND I HAVE EMAILS THINKING ABOUT CONDEMNING THE PROPERTY.
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I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A WISE DECISION BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS EMINENT DOMAIN CASES AND I KNOW THAT'S COSTLY NOT ONLY FROM A FROM A TAXPAYER PERSPECTIVE, BUT YOU GOT TO PAY ATTORNEY'S FEES, CONSULTING FEES, AND AND WHEN YOU HAVE A WILLING BUYER FOR TO TO BASICALLY ASSIST WITH A GOVERNMENT PROJECT THE MANAGER AND I IN FACT THIS THIS CONTRACT ISSUE CAME JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PURCHASE FROM THE MANAGER OFFICE ASKED ME, HEY, HANS, LOOK AT IT, SEE IF THE LEGALITY COMES BACK TO US.AND WE BROUGHT IT BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION.
WE WERE VERY CONSISTENT IN HOW WE APPROACH REAL ESTATE DEALS.
AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NOTION THAT WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE RIGHT.
WE FOLLOWED THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS FOLLOWED AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE.
AND I WILL DISAGREE BECAUSE IN WE'VE NEVER PURCHASED.
AN ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, PRIVATE PROPERTY BEFORE AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE DONE PURCHASES, THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DONE.
MORE DETAILS VERSUS DETAILS COMING OUT AT THE END AFTER OUR CONTRACTS ALREADY SIGNED.
AS FAR AS THE EMINENT DOMAIN, QUITE CLEARLY FROM THE NOTES THAT WERE OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH EMINENT DOMAIN BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH OF A PROPER PUBLIC POLICY IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, TO HAVE THE COURT SAY, CITY OF TAMARAC, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE THIS PROPERTY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS NOT GOING.
WE WERE TAKING THE PROPERTY AND THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO EXPENSES.
SO IT WAS CLEAR THAT THAT WAS NOT THERE WAS NOT A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC POLICY ON THAT.
THERE'S PLENTY OF CASE LAW AND I HAVE NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IF THE CITY BY OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE POLICY MAKERS AND ALSO WITH RESEARCH DETERMINED THAT THERE'S A NEED YOU HAVE A FEASIBILITY REPORT THAT SHOW THERE'S A NEED FOR A PARK AND SHAKER VILLAGE WAS LISTED IT SHOWED PUBLIC PURPOSE DEFINITELY YOU CAN MEET EMINENT DOMAIN AND I'M SURE WHEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT, WE WILL BE MORE THAN ABLE AND CAPABLE OF SHOWING HOW WE THREW IN SHAKER VILLAGE INTO THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY TO FORCE THIS SO-CALLED PUBLIC POLICY TO MAKE THIS WHERE WE CAN GO THROUGH AND FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO LET'S JUST KEEP IT TO WHERE I MEAN.
I'M VERY UPSET HOW WE ARE NOT.
DOING THE RIGHT THING BY TAKING A STEP BACK.
WHY IS IT THAT THE COMMISSION HAS NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO MEET WITH THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY? WHY IS IT THAT THE ONLY TIME WE DID IT WAS IN IN 20 2019? 2019 AND WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FOLLOW UP MEETINGS WITH THEM.
WHY WEREN'T THE FOLLOW UP, THE OTHER COMMISSIONS AND THIS COMMISSION ALLOWED TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION? SO WHY IS IT COMING WHERE IT'S HE SAID SHE SAID IT'S THEM AGAINST US.
IT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
FULLY CONTEMPLATED NEGOTIATION WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS SOME HELP AND FIGURING OUT THAT WE HAVE TAX DOLLARS, PUBLIC DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING AND DOING IT IN A OUTWARD, TRANSPARENT FORMAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE HERE.
YES, YOU CAN. BUT I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK NOW BECAUSE WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
AND SOME OF US FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN.
BUT YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE YOUR THING LIT BEFOREHAND, SO YOU TURNED IT OVER.
SINCE I'VE SEEN YOU, I SEE THAT THE VICE MAYOR.
OKAY, YOU CONTINUE TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THANK YOU. NO ONE'S SAYING THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING.
YES. I THINK I'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR WE ARE THE CLIENT.
WE HIRE AND WE ARE PAYING FOR BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED SOME OF THE RULES AROUND ON THIS, BECAUSE TYPICALLY FOR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THIS, THE SELLER WILL BE PAYING CERTAIN EXPENSES, BUT THE BUYER IS PAYING CERTAIN EXPENSES.
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WE ARE ON NOTICE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN CANCELED THROUGH THIS ONE AGENCY.WE AS A CITY OF TAMARAC ARE NOT BEING PROTECTED.
COME BACK TO US HOPEFULLY TOMORROW WITH HOW WE ARE TO BE PROTECTED.
DANIEL. AND THEN VICE MAYOR BOLTON.
I ONLY SAW YOUR FIRST. IF YOU WANT TO GO FIRST, MR. VICE MAYOR, GO FIRST.
UM, LET ME JUST SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE.
EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON THIS, I THINK IS.
PAST DUE THAT WE GET A LOCATION ON THE EAST SIDE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE.
PAST DUE. I KNOW THE EAST SIDE IS OLDER.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE LAND RIGHT? WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE WHERE LAND IS CONCERNED.
SO WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO NEW TERRITORIES, RIGHT? AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WAS PRIME.
I LOOKED UP MYSELF FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WITH THAT TYPE OF ACREAGE.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING AT THE LAST MINUTE.
AND HAVING AN AGREEMENT AND NEGOTIATING, THAT'S WHY IT'S AT THE TABLE.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S THINGS WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE, FINE.
WHY ARE WE GETTING MUDDY INTO, TO ME, IRRELEVANT.
LET THE PROFESSIONALS DO THEIR JOB.
IF SOMETHING IS WRONG, IT WILL COME UP.
I AM HAPPY THAT WE'RE FINDING A PROPERTY ON THE EAST AND LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THAT BUILDING A PIECE OF A BUILDING BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND AS A RESIDENT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THING.
I THINK THIS IS A WIN THAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
LET'S SEE IT THROUGH OTHER ASSOCIATION.
YOU HAVE TO PARK UNDER THE GRASS MESSING UP THE GRASS.
NOW WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE KINGS POINT ALLOW US TO.
AT SOME POINTS WE MIGHT HAVE TO COME INTO OTHER AGREEMENT.
IT'S JUST FACTS. THERE'S NO MORE LAND.
WE WERE GOING TO GO INTO A $100 MILLION DEAL THE OTHER DAY.
YOU KNOW, I FIND IT HARD THAT AND I HOPE NOT.
I HOPE NOT. WE SHOULD LOOK GLOBALLY.
IT'S A BIG CITY. IT'S NOT JUST ONE MINUTE, PART OF A CITY THAT WE CARE.
SO I KNOW I READ THE EMAIL LAST NIGHT.
MY COMMUNITY DON'T HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER LAND TO SELL, SO IT'S OFF THE TABLE.
WE DON'T HAVE LAND AND THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR LAND THERE.
I COULD GO TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, FIVE MINUTES AWAY.
I LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S SURROUNDED WITH THESE THINGS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER RESIDENTS, A LOT, INCLUDING IN DISTRICT FOUR, THAT DON'T LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN EASILY ACCESS.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS.
SO WE CAN NEGOTIATE AND TALK ABOUT THE AGREEMENT.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT, YOU KNOW, AND COME TO SOME TYPE OF CONCLUSION.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE POINTS THAT YOU THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, MAYOR, VERY, VERY SMART.
RELY ON YOUR 20 YEARS OF LAW EXPERIENCE.
RIGHT. SO AS A LAWYER, YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT AND AND YOU'VE MADE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AS YOU'VE SEEN THEM AS YOU'VE PRESENTED THEM TODAY.
WHAT DOES SLANDER OF TITLE MEAN?
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I'M NOT GRILLING.YOU HAVE 23 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
AND AND AND QUITE FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE.
AND AND I AND I HAVE LOOKED AT SLANDER OF TITLE AND AND WRITE DOWN THAT FANCY TERM CLERK MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE RECORD BECAUSE.
WITH WITH TALKING TO RESIDENTS AND THREATENING THERE IS A LAWSUIT COMING.
IT IS NERVING, IT IS NOT SERVING.
THAT THIS COMMISSION SHOULD RELY ON.
SO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMMISSION AND YOU KNOW WHAT SLANDER OF TITLE MEANS.
CALLOWAY, YOU ARE SMART AS WELL.
BUT. BUT DO YOU? UH, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US REPRESENTATION TOO, OR DO YOU DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY? MY CAPACITY HERE AT THE CITY OF TAMARAC IS, AS YOUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND YOUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, NOT IN A LEGAL OR ATTORNEY CAPACITY.
SO I DO DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
OKAY, SO WE GOT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
SO I CAN'T USE YOU IN YOUR LAW CAPACITY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB.
THAT IS CORRECT. AND IF I WERE A LAWYER, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DEFER TO ME.
YOU KNOW, MY, MY MY LSAT SCORES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.
AND I GAVE UP LAW SCHOOL FOR A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION.
UM. I LOVE GIVING TAMARAC TALKS.
SOUND BITES. I JUST LOVE SEEING MY PICTURE ON THERE.
UM, MISS, MISS CALLOWAY, THIS SHARED USE AGREEMENT THAT SHAKER VILLAGE IS.
IN THE FUTURE, CAN OTHER PEOPLE ASK FOR A SHARED USE AGREEMENT, TOO? I MEAN, BROWARD COLLEGE CAN SAY, I WANT TO HAVE A CLASS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THAT CLASS WOULD BE.
YOU KNOW, BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
CAN OTHER PEOPLE ASK FOR A SHARED USE AGREEMENT? YES. OKAY.
AND SO COULD THE WOODLANDS AND CHELSEA PLACE AND ANYBODY.
YES. YOU CAN ENTERTAIN ANY ENTITY ASKING TO SHARE ANY OF THE FACILITIES.
I SPOKE TO A COUPLE OF WOODLANDS RESIDENTS, TOO, AND THEY'RE QUITE THRILLED ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY CENTER COMING BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT'S GOING THAT MAY BE GOING IN THERE IS THAT THEY THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHARGING THEM TO USE FACILITIES THAT MAY BE OFF.
SO SO THIS IS AN AMAZING THING, NOT JUST FOR SHAKER VILLAGE, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
AND WE KEEP BEING HUNG UP ON WE'RE BAILING OUT SHAKER VILLAGE.
LET'S LET'S MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR.
WE'RE NOT BAILING OUT ANYBODY.
THE CITY HAS SEEN AN OPPORTUNITY.
PROPERTY. ALL WE'RE DOING IS BUYING IT.
AND AND AND I'VE HEARD FROM MANY YEARS HOW SOME OF US GET INTO THE WEEDS, AND THAT'S THE STUFF.
REALLY AND TRULY, I LOVE HOME DEPOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE WEED KILLERS.
MADAM. MADAM MAYOR, I LOVE YOU SO MUCH.
I WOULD. I WOULD NEVER EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.
MAYOR, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THAT NARRATIVE IS JUST YOURS TOO.
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SHARED USE AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER PEOPLE.SO THIS IS THIS IS NOT AN OFF THE WALL THING.
IT CAN HAPPEN FOR SHAKER VILLAGE AND IT CAN HAPPEN FOR PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE.
ATTORNEY I'M RELYING ON, YOU KNOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S A POLICY DECISION.
OKAY. THAT'S A POLICY THAT THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE.
WHEN SOMETHING IS GOING IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY.
TO A COMMUNITY WHERE IT WILL BENEFIT.
OR IMPACT RESIDENTS POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY.
IT'S IT'S KIND OF IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU HAVE TO, LIKE, TALK TO RESIDENTS.
THAT SAYS A LOT FOR THE RECORD.
I AM ASKING I'M ASKING YOU, GREG, PUBLICLY HERE AND NOW, THAT THAT YOU SHOULD STAY.
AND I MEAN THAT FROM MY HEART.
SO WHOEVER IS LISTENING AND DEERFIELD BEACH.
AND CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE AUTHORIZED.
SINCE I CAN ONLY BE THE ONE TO AUTHORIZE THINGS, I AUTHORIZE A $30,000 INCREASE ON HIS.
YOU HAVE GONE TO MEETINGS IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU HAVE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS WHEN THINGS ARE GOING IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND NOT JUST AND AND YOU KNOW, LISTEN.
YOU KNOW, YOU YOU DO SO BETTER, SO MUCH BETTER WHEN YOU SMILE AND.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SMILE AT ME, BUT SMILE AT THE AT THE UNIVERSE.
THE UNIVERSE NEEDS YOU, MAYOR.
THIS, THIS, THIS THIS ENERGY THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO FIGHTING THIS COMMUNITY.
WE COULD BE PUTTING THIS ENERGY INTO MAKING THIS COMMUNITY BETTER.
AND YOU, MAYOR, YOU'VE GONE TO CENTRAL PARK TO WHEN THE CITY WAS.
AND REALLY AND TRULY, IT SAYS SOMETHING WHEN YOU CAN LISTEN TO RESIDENTS.
SO I'M GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO TO LISTEN TO SHAKER VILLAGE AS WELL ON THIS.
MAXINE, REMIND ME HOW MANY ACRES THIS PROPERTY IS.
THAT'S. THAT'S THE PROPERTY YOU'RE PURCHASING? YES. NO, JUST A COMMUNITY CENTER PROPERTY.
SO WHEN YOU TAKE MY FLUORIDE, YOU KNOW, I JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU CAN GIVE IT BACK TO ME.
YOUR. YOUR SMILE LIGHTS UP THIS ROOM.
RIGHT. ALVIN, I APPRECIATE YOU.
LET ME RELY ON THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS SALE IS SUBJECT TO A SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
RIGHT. WHICH MEANS THEN IF THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT DOES NOT PASS.
THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
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OKAY. SHAKER VILLAGE.YEAH. SO IF THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT IS NOT PASSED ON WEDNESDAY.
THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE.
IT'S AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATED.
THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING. I DIDN'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
SO SHARED USE AGREEMENT IS CRITICAL RIGHT NOW.
YOU WOULD AGREE? IS A CONDITION PRECEDENT.
WHEN A COMMISSIONER OR A MAYOR IS A PART OF COMMUNITY DECISIONS, IT'S A PART OF COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS.
CLEARING UP THE RECORD DISCUSSIONS.
WHEN 13TH FLOOR WAS PROPOSING BEING BUILT IN THE WOODLANDS.
YOU WERE ALL OVER THE MEETINGS.
IN EVERY SINGLE MEETING BECAUSE IT'S YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE PASSIONATE.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT YOU.
YOU'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT COMMUNITY STUFF.
RIGHT. AND SO YOU WENT TO EVERY MEETING.
YOU TALKED TO EVERY HOMEOWNER.
YOU WALKED YOUR FURRY ANIMALS AND YOU TALK TO PEOPLE AND YOU GAVE AND YOU IT'S NOT FULLY BAKED. IT'S THIS.
IT'S THAT. IT'S THE PIE IS NOT DONE.
APPLE PIE. PECAN PIE, WHATEVER PIE.
IT'S NOT DONE. AND YOU WERE ACTIVELY INVOLVED.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, COMMISSIONER GELIN.
AND I AM PROUD OF COMMISSIONER.
RIGHT? SEEING HIM AND IN PHOTOS AND HEARING RESIDENTS CALLING AND SAYING HE WAS AT THIS MEETING, HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB. OH, MY GOD, HE'S AMAZING.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONERS DO.
WHY DO I WHY DO YOU WANT TO FAULT ME FOR GOING TO MEETINGS AT SHAKER VILLAGE? FOR LISTENING TO THEIR CONCERNS, FOR HEARING WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY? THAT'S MY JOB.
IT IS MY JOB. NOBODY WAS LOCKED OUT OF ANYTHING.
YOU JUST SAID THEY CALL YOU BECAUSE A LAWSUIT IS COMING.
AND PEOPLE, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP.
I WONDER WHO'S PAYING FOR THE LAWSUIT.
WONDER WHO'S PAYING FOR THE ATTORNEY.
I WONDER HOW THEY DERIVE TO THAT ATTORNEY.
I DON'T JUST REPRESENT THOSE PEOPLE.
YOUR WORDS. I DON'T JUST REPRESENT THOSE PEOPLE.
YOU'RE THE MAYOR OF THIS GREAT CITY.
YOU'RE NOT JUST THE MAYOR OF KINGS POINT.
YOU ARE THE MAYOR OF THIS GREAT.
ALVIN IS THE MAYOR OF KINGS POINT.
OH, GOSH. JUST LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSEDLY THE MAYOR.
I'M. ANYWAY, I'M DONE ON YOUR BEG THAT I SHOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
I'M ASKING YOU TO TO TAKE THIS PROJECT OFF OF LIFE SUPPORT.
AND I'M ASKING ANY COMMISSIONER.
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OR MAYOR.THAT WOULD BE PONDERING ANY EDITS TO THIS SHARED USE AGREEMENT THAT IT IS ON LIFE SUPPORT ALREADY.
THREATEN HIM WITH YOUR EVIL EYE LIKE THAT.
DON'T DO THAT. I WAS LOOKING ON YOU.
I WAS LOOKING AT YOU. MAYBE I HAVE CAT'S EYES.
WHY ARE YOU GOING THERE? I WAS LOOKING AT YOU.
SO? SO I'M LOOKING IN YOUR DIRECTION.
YOU'RE LOOKING IN YOUR DIRECTION.
CAN YOU BRING BACK THOSE THINGS? THE PLEXIGLASS.
ANNUALLY. THIRD FRIDAY OF FEBRUARY.
USE OF THE MEETING ROOM MONTHLY ON THE THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
HOW'S. HOW'S THAT? BAD IF I MEAN.
YOU KNOW, IF I WOULD GO TO THE.
THE TEMPLE TO ASK THEM, CAN MY CAN I COME OVER HERE? THEY WOULD THEY WOULD LOVE FOR ME TO COME.
YOU KNOW, I GOT SOME FRIENDS, SOME RABBIS, AND THAT LOVES ME, TOO.
USE OF A DEDICATED OFFICE FOR THE PROPERTY MANAGER.
NOW. SO SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN.
SHOULDN'T YOU ALWAYS BE FAIR? LISTEN, I'M PUTTING ON THE RECORD THAT I'M FAIR.
IF I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THIS, THAT LITTLE PART I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
BUT BUT BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A DEAL BREAKER.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO.
RIGHT. UM, AND AND I'VE NEVER NEGOTIATED.
YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE ONES.
AMAZING PROFESSIONALS WITH LAW DEGREES AND.
DO YOU HAVE A LAW DEGREE? MBA, MAXINE.
YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE IMPORTANT.
YOU'RE AMAZING, AND YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION.
FOR YOU TO MAKE A FRIENDLY CALL TO SHAKER VILLAGE AND ASK THEM IF THAT OFFICE THINGY.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE NEGOTIATORS.
MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE LORENZO WITH YOU BECAUSE HE'S A GREAT NEGOTIATOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT MY OTHER JOB, THEY TALK HIGHLY OF YOU HOW GREAT YOU ARE.
VICE VICE MAYOR I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUE WAS RAISED WAS I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER CONTEMPLATED THAT IT WILL WILL BE USED FOR UNIT OWNERS WHO DO NOT LIVE IN SHAKER VILLAGE.
THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S NOT CLEAR ENOUGH, WE CAN ADD THAT LANGUAGE.
IF IF WHAT? SAY IT AGAIN. IT WAS A STATEMENT MADE ABOUT THAT.
THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR SHAKER VILLAGE MAY USE IT FOR NON SHAKER VILLAGE RESIDENTS AND THAT WAS NEVER REQUESTED AND WE WOULD NOT PERMIT IT.
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ONLY BE FOR SHAKER VILLAGE RESIDENTS.I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT RECORD AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MAKING THAT CALL.
MAKE SURE EITHER IF THE COMMISSION REMEMBER WE BRING THE COMMISSION.
TERMS AND CONDITIONS, ESPECIALLY THE BUSINESS TERMS. THOSE BUSINESS TERMS OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE APPROVED.
MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW, $100, $200, $300, $500, WHATEVER IT IS.
I ASK THEM, YOU YOU GUYS ARE THE NEGOTIATORS.
DON'T JUST BRING SOMETHING TO US AND SAY, HERE, TAKE IT.
AND I'M SURE THAT'S NOT PROBABLY WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT I'M I'M SAYING NEGOTIATE FOR US.
DON'T JUST GIVE US SOMETHING AND THEN SAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT.
AND THIS IS WHERE LIGHTNING IS STRIKING.
RIGHT. DON'T JUST BRING WHAT THEY ARE TELLING US TO DO.
VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO KNOW.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WISH LIST THEY WANTED IS NOT WAS REFLECTED.
OKAY YEAH BUT A SUBJECT AND THEY KNOW VERY WELL A SUBJECT TO THE COMMISSION APPROVAL.
YEAH. AND THE OFFICE IS SMALL TO TEN.
WHAT WHAT'S A WHAT'S THE SIZE OF A COMMISSION OFFICE? JOHN. DOROTHY, BY THE WAY, YOU ARE SMART, TOO.
I WAS ON A BUS TOUR WITH THIS.
THIS IS THIS. THIS IS MY PLUG FOR.
I'M COMING. I'M COMMENDING ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS.
WE WERE ON A BUS TOUR AND THE WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE THAT HE HAS FOR THIS CITY, NOT NOT JUST DISTRICT ONE, BUT FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL WAS IMPRESSIVE.
DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DISTRICT, DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CITY.
HE SHOULD BE A CANDIDATE FOR CITY MANAGER.
I TELL YOU, LIKE HE IS $30,000, YOU GET A RAISE, JOHN.
BUT BUT IF YOU WOULD IF IF IT PLEASES THE MAYOR AND THE AND THE COMMISSION AS A VILLAGE, NEGOTIATE RENT FOR THAT ROOM AND AND NEGOTIATE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD DO THIS OR, OR MAYBE, LIKE, PUT PUT THE OFFICE WHERE IT CAN.
AND NO, IT DOESN'T LEAD TO ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT'S LIKE PUTTING, PUTTING THE OFFICE ON THE SIDE PRIVATE DOOR.
IT'S CALLED 40 MEACHAM LANE WHERE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE OFFICE SPACE.
THAT. THE THING THAT I LOVE ABOUT CORPORATE AMERICA AND PEOPLE WHO ARE WHO ARE FAIR IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T JUST SAY NO TO SOMETHING. THEY GO AND RESEARCH.
WHO ARE WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS WHO LOOK AT THINGS AND SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT.
SO MAYBE IT'S A BAD IDEA, BUT AT LEAST THEY CAN LOOK, AT LEAST THEY CAN TRY.
SO TO FINISH MY SENTENCE, UM, MAYBE A ROOM THAT IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE REST OR DOES
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NOT LEAD TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER.IT IS A DOOR THAT MAY BE, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE IT'S AT CITY HALL HERE WHERE YOU BUZZ IN AND BUZZ OUT THAT SORT OF STUFF, AND YOU CHARGE THEM RENT AND THEY PAY RENT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RENT IS.
IF IF WE IF WE CHARGE THE TAMARAC VILLAGE A DOLLAR SO SO WHATEVER THAT RENT WOULD BE IF IT PLEASES.
THIS COMMISSION AND MAYBE WE CAN GET CONSENSUS TO DIRECT BECAUSE I DON'T DIRECT.
RIGHT. AND ALVIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR BUT BUT LET'S LET'S LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, SHE BEEN WRITING OVER THERE AND I GOT TO GO.
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PRIORITY, AND THIS IS MY PRIORITY.
SO WITH THAT, LET ME JUST LOOK AT MY SCRIBBLES.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM FROM COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
NOW, THAT IS HOW I WAS PLANNING ON DOING.
YEAH. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE AND HELPING ME DO MY JOB THAT I'VE NOT ASKED FOR.
I'M THE ASSISTANT MAYOR, REMEMBER? YOU JUST HAVE IT ENTITLED THERE, BUDDY.
AND HE DID SAY THAT HE'S GOING TO NOMINATE ME FOR VICE MAYOR FOR NEXT YEAR.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, HE SAID THAT BEFORE, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO BANK ON ANYTHING.
NO, THAT ONE. NO, I DON'T REMEMBER.
THE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IS YOURS.
SO AGAIN, I HAVE TOO MANY QUESTIONS.
THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS UNANSWERED.
THE MAYOR HAS BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GREAT POINTS, THINGS THAT I DEAL THAT I'VE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST IN REAL ESTATE WHEN IT CAME TO COMMERCIAL AND TO RESIDENTIAL OWNERSHIP.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN.
SOME OF THE THINGS I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO BRING UP AGAIN.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE MAYOR HAS RAISED WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ANSWER TO.
SO WE CAN EVEN MAKE A DECISION.
I CAN MAKE A DECISION ON ANYTHING BECAUSE.
I DON'T I DIDN'T KNOW THAT SHE KNEW THAT MANY THINGS.
AS THIS IS VERY BIASED ON SHAKER VILLAGE PART.
GOES AGAINST OTHER COMMUNITIES.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S TRYING TO GET TO BECAUSE.
I DON'T NEED. IT'S A LOT CHEAPER, I'M SURE, FOR ME TO RENT SPACE FROM THE CITY.
CONDUCT MY BUSINESS THAN TO OPERATE A BUILDING OR AN OFFICE SPACE FROM A LANDLORD.
I CAN JUST GO TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE WHAT DO YOU GUYS CHARGE? IS THERE CAN YOU TELL ME THAT NOW, GREG? NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT WOULD VARY BASED ON THE THE ROOM AND THE SIZE OF THE ROOM.
SO THE KIWANAS MEETS ONCE IN A WHILE.
SO JUST. JUST. I'M SORRY, JUST AN EXAMPLE.
THE COCONUT COCONUT OR PALM ROOM AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER DOWN THE HALLWAY CAN BE ONE LARGE ROOM OR TWO SMALLER ROOMS. THE SMALLER ROOM WOULD BE $36 PER HOUR.
SO FOR $36 AN HOUR, I CAN LITERALLY CONDUCT MY BUSINESS.
AND ANYTHING I DO, WHETHER IT'S A SERVICE, HAVE CUSTOMERS COME IN, IS THAT ALLOWED? THIS IS NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
WE DO NOT ALLOW LIKE BUSINESS TYPE THINGS.
SO I PROVIDE A SERVICE AT NO COST TO THE CLIENT BECAUSE I'M A 501.
BUT I GET PAID THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? IT'S NOT A I'M NOT CONDUCTING BUSINESS.
SO FOR ME, THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS HERE GETTING INTO ANY SHARED AGREEMENT WITH ANY PRIVATE ENTITY.
I WOULDN'T SAY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT JUST WITH THE CITY.
UM. IT WAS TOLD TO US THAT THE $1.94 MILLION WAS FOR ALL THREE COMPONENTS THE LAKE AREA, THE MAIN CLUBHOUSE AREA AND LITTLE GRASS AREA ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CLUBHOUSE.
TODAY I'M HEARING THAT IT'S ONLY ONE COMPONENT.
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CAN WE GET CLARITY ON THAT? AND IT'S NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION.SEAN COMMISSIONER AT THE JULY 12TH MEETING.
THE EXHIBIT TO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT HAS ALWAYS INCLUDED JUST THAT PARCEL.
SO I THINK IT WAS EXTENSIVELY DISCUSSED DURING THAT JULY 12TH MEETING AND THE EXHIBIT TO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT AGAIN, AS WELL AS THE SURVEY THAT WE SINCE HAD. SO WHERE DID THESE THREE COMPONENTS COME FROM? BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN IT IN THE APPRAISALS THAT WERE DONE AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WAS DE MINIMIS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WAY THOSE PARCELS ARE CONFIGURED.
SO THE PRICE WAS BECAUSE OF THOSE THREE PARCELS.
RIGHT. IT WAS IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE EXTREMELY SMALL.
CAN WE MOVE WITHOUT THOSE PARCELS? THAT'S WHAT WE DID. THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THOSE THREE PARCELS.
IT'S THE ENTRANCE AREA IN THE LAKE AREA AND THE LAKE AREA.
OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACROSS THE STREET AREA.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY IS CONSIDERING PURCHASING IS THE PROPERTY ON WHICH THE CLUBHOUSE, THE DILAPIDATED CLUBHOUSE CURRENTLY SITS, WHICH INCLUDES THE SWIMMING POOL, THE DEFUNCT SWIMMING POOL, A TENNIS COURT.
THAT PARCEL IS THE ONLY PARCEL THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.
THE MAJORITY OF THE LAKE, IF ANYTHING, WE DON'T HAVE TO FIX ANY DOCUMENTS SAYING IT'S UP TO HERE.
MAINTENANCE CURRENTLY MAINTAINS THE LAKE SHAKER VILLAGE.
SO WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THE LAKE? THEY CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE LAKE AFTER THE PURCHASE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE NOT MAINTAINED THE LAKE, THEY WILL BE MAINTAINING THE LAKE.
IS THAT WHEN A GROUP. IT WAS A IT WAS A.
THE RECORD HAS BEEN CORRECTED.
WE ASK WROTE $1.5 MILLION AND I'M BRINGING THIS STUFF UP BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOES TOGETHER.
WE SCORED $1.5 MILLION BECAUSE THAT THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS UNDER 1.5 MILLION.
AND EVEN THOUGH THEY SQUANDERED A 400 GRAND IN THEIR INSURANCE CLAIM.
I HEARD DURING A MEETING OR I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID IT.
THE ACTUAL COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IS WAY ABOVE 1.5 MILLION.
WHAT IS THE COST TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT SHAKER VILLAGE THAT IS NEEDED SO THAT THE SEWAGE DOES NOT DROWN SO THAT VEHICLES DON'T GET STUCK.
SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES.
WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT? LIKE US TO ANSWER THAT.
I NEED SOMEBODY TO ANSWER THAT.
YEAH. PLEASE ANSWER ALL COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS QUESTIONS.
JOHN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT OR YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A SHOT AT IT? I BELIEVE IN OUR CORRESPONDENTS.
YOU CAME UP WITH AN UPDATED NUMBER.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO? JUST BALLPARK.
SO APPROXIMATELY 1.8 MILLION, BUT WE'RE ONLY FORCING THEM TO ESCROW 1.5.
YEAH. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER, THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, WHICH INCLUDES THAT COMMERCIAL ADDENDUM CONTRACT, WAS ALREADY APPROVED ON JULY 12TH.
THAT INCLUDES THOSE TERMS. IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.
SO THAT CONTRACT I KNOW I'M PUTTING EVERYTHING IN THAT CONTRACT.
BUT FOR THE RECORD, MY EMAIL DID NOT SAY THE CONSENSUS WAS NOT THAT FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE VIDEO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAID AND THAT'S NOT THE CONSENSUS THAT WE PROVIDED.
BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
YEAH. ESTIMATE WE HAD WAS 1.4 AT THE TIME.
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SO NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.BUT WE DID PUT THAT STIPULATION IN THAT THEY WOULD FIX IT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE FORCING THEM TO DO.
$1.5 MILLION ON A PROJECT THAT COSTS APPROXIMATELY 1.8 MILLION, LEAVING US A DEFICIT OF 300,000.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE DON'T TELL THEM ANYTHING ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT 400 GRAND? CORRECT. THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT AND ADDENDUM THAT WAS APPROVED ON JULY 12TH.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE DON'T ACTUALLY EVEN KNOW THE EXTENT ONCE WE START BREAKING GROUND TO FIX THE PROBLEMS, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS, WE HAVE 1.8 MILLION. IS THAT WITH WITH CONTINGENCY? BUT THAT'S WITHOUT CONTINGENCY.
THAT INCLUDES CONTINGENCY AND.
WHO'S GOING TO HOLD THE BOARD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT EXTRA THREE PLUS HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ADDITION TO THE 400,000 THAT WE'RE NOT HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 800,000, $700,000 THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING ACCOUNTABLE FOR.
SO WHEN THAT PROJECT ACTUALLY STARTS.
GUESS WHO'S GOING TO BE ASSESSED? THE HOMEOWNERS.
SO THE HOMEOWNERS CAN POSSIBLY GET ASSESSED FOR $700,000 A PIECE.
AND FOR THE RECORD, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT 358 HOMEOWNERS.
THEIR BUDGET SAYS 362 HOME OWNERS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S NUMBER IS CORRECT, BUT IF THE PROPERTY MANAGER IS ACTUALLY DOING THEIR JOB AND PUTTING THIS BUDGET TOGETHER FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE THE ONES PUTTING 362 UNITS ON THERE, THAT MEANS THEY'RE COLLECTING MONEY ON 362 UNITS.
HOW DO WE GET 358 UNITS? SOMEONE IS MESSING WITH THE NUMBERS AND IT MIGHT SEEM INSIGNIFICANT.
BUT WHEN YOU DO EIGHT, THAT'S TWO FOUR UNITS TIMES 450 A MONTH TIMES 12 MONTHS, TIMES HOWEVER MANY YEARS, THERE'S SOME FUDGING OF THE MONEY.
SO I JUST WANT THAT ON THERE BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING OFF THERE.
DON'T LIVE THERE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED WITH IT.
WE HAVE A THIS IS A SIDE QUESTION HERE.
WHERE RECENTLY THE CITY PUT OUT A PUBLICATION ABOUT BOARD MEMBERS BEING CERTIFIED.
RIGHT. I THINK THIS LAST WEEK OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, YOU NEED TO BE CERTIFIED TO BE AN HOA BOARD MEMBER EVERY YEAR OR EVERY ONCE YOU GET ELECTED, YOU NEED TO BE GO DO A FOUR HOUR COURSE WITH K AND VENDORS AND WHO OR WHATEVER HOA ATTORNEY YOU HAVE.
THEY HAVE READ THEIR HOA DOCUMENTS.
THEY HAVE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
ANYBODY. IT'S JUST A YES OR NO.
AND THAT'S OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION, TOO.
I KNOW, BUT WE'RE WE'RE DEALING WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE PROCESSED RIGHT IN THE PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE QUALIFIED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
SO IN THIS TRANSACTION, THEY ARE REPRESENTED BY AN ATTORNEY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY QUALIFIED.
AND SO THAT'S OUR COUNTERPART IN THIS CONVERSATION.
OKAY. ORIGINALLY 100 PEOPLE WERE SUPPOSED TO FIT INTO THIS CLUBHOUSE.
I'M NOT GOING TO CALL A COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT'S REALLY NOT THE CLUBHOUSE.
THE SIZE OF IT, THE CLUBHOUSE.
I'M SORRY. I THINK MY CLUBHOUSE IS PROBABLY JUST AS BIG AS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
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THE TEN BY 15.YEAH. SO NEVER MIND ABOUT THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE MAIN SPACES.
ASKS THIS QUESTION DURING MY ONE ON ONE WITH CITY MANAGER, BUT MAYOR BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN.
SO I JUST SOMETHING JUST CLICKED IN MY MIND THAT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO.
ANYBODY. ARE THEY GOING TO DESTROY IT? ARE THEY GOING TO CONTINUE USING IT? ARE THEY GOING TO SELL IT? ARE THEY GOING TO REVAMP IT AND PUT A BRAND NEW BASKETBALL COURT ON ON THE COMMUNITY'S DIME? ARE WE GOING TO DO WHAT WITH IT? BECAUSE IF THEY WANT THIS USAGE, WHICH I DON'T.
I'M NOT AGAINST US PURCHASING IT.
I'M NOT AGAINST US CREATING IT.
AS MUCH AS I AM WITH THE SHARED AGREEMENT.
SO COMMISSIONER IS A IS A PURCHASE TRANSACTION.
THAT PART IS AGAIN OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE OF DISCUSSION.
I KNOW. SO, SO MY THING IS, WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THIS OFFICE SPACE OR ANYONE TO LEASE IT IF THEY ALREADY HAVE AN OFFICE? WITH THE RESTROOM IN IT WITH MUCH MORE SPACE THAN THE 150 THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM FOR FREE.
WHICH AT THIS POINT IT SHOULD BE AT THE REGULAR RATE.
I THINK IF THIS SHALL GO THROUGH.
THE REST OF THE SPACE BELONGS TO US FOR US TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH IT.
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GIVING THEM AN OFFICE.
BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE A BUILDING.
AND I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WITH VICE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR ON THIS.
THE PROPERTY MANAGER HAS NO SAY IN IT, HAS NO RIGHT TO BE IN THERE.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER.
THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE AND THEN WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO CONDUCT OTHER OTHER MATTERS.
SO, YEAH, COME TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER OVER HERE ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
TO PAY YOUR HOA FOR LAUDERHILL.
MAYBE THEY PLAN TO CLEAN IT FOR.
DO SOMETHING BECAUSE HERE THERE'S NO WHERE DO WE GET FROM THEM, RIGHT? IT'S CALLED THE SHARED AGREEMENT.
WHAT DO WE GET FROM THEM? WHAT DOES THE CITY GET FROM THEM IF IT'S THE NODES, THE SHARING OF THE FACILITY? RIGHT. BUT WHAT DO WE GET FROM THEM? IT'S THE IT'S A PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THEM SELLING US THE PROPERTY.
NO, I KNOW, BUT WHERE DO WE GET NOTHING? BUT I'M JUST EXPLAINING WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY GET? YEAH. SO THE CONNOTATION OF A SHARED USE AGREEMENT GOES TO THE FACILITY THAT IS BEING SHARED WITH THEM.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY OFFER ANYTHING TO US THAT THEY'RE SHARING WITH US? NO, THEY'RE NOT. IT'S A PART OF THEIR CONSIDERATION FOR SELLING US.
IT'S A ONE WAY SHARED AGREEMENT.
IF THAT'S HOW YOU LIKE TO DO IT.
YEAH. SO THAT'S WHERE I HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH.
YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M SO TIRED OF ALL THESE EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND TEXT MESSAGES AND.
LISTEN, PLEASE, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, WE NEED THIS IS.
THIS IS WHY YOU GUYS HAVE A JOB.
AND LADIES, RIGHT? THIS IS WHY WE ALL ARE HERE FOR THIS TO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS.
SO I'M NOT BY ANY MEANS SAYING DO NOT GET INVOLVED.
AND I WAS REVIEWING THE EMAIL AND IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD NOW.
SO AND WE'RE ALL UNDER SUNSHINE.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MAYOR'S COMING FROM, WHERE SHE'S SAYING THAT.
IF WE AGREE TO THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO FILE A LAWSUIT.
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BROWARD COLLEGE ADD VALUE TO US.YES. A BRAND NEW BUILDING IN A PRIVATE COMMUNITY FROM COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
WHERE ARE WE? WE'RE ALREADY SAYING THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE? THESE PEOPLE ARE PULLING IN INTO THE FACILITY FROM COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
THERE'S NO THERE'S NO TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THERE'S NO PEOPLE ARE GOING HOME.
IT'S A STRAIGHT ON COMMERCIAL SIDEWALK.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY YOU'RE PULLING INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER AKA CLUBHOUSE.
I MEAN, I JUST WROTE DOWN A BUNCH OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE MAYOR HAD THAT I'M JUST.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE TITLE BEING CANCELED.
CAN WE WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE EVEN RUSHING THIS.
LIKE, NO ONE'S SAYING, HEY, PAUSE.
WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT NEED MORE MONEY.
THIS IS GOING TO COST US, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILLIONS, EIGHT, SEVEN, WHATEVER.
THE ANNUAL EXPENSES THAT ARE JUST GOING TO SKYROCKET.
I'M BEING LOOKED AT LIKE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I'M SAYING, NO MATTER.
I JUST CAN'T SAY YES WHEN THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS.
THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO.
AND WE'RE RUSHING THIS INSTEAD OF SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? YES. IF IT GOES THROUGH, GREAT.
THE CITY GETS TO PUT MORE WORKERS INVOLVED.
THE COMMUNITY GETS WHAT THEY WANT.
THIS THIS THIS SHARED AGREEMENT HAS ISSUES.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO RUSH IT WITHOUT SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S DO AN ADDENDUM TO LET'S DO AN ADDENDUM, EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER 15, 20 DAYS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE BUT TO START BUILDING IT IN 18 MONTHS.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER GELIN WANTED TO DO ONE TIME WITH THE PARK ON THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
HE WANTED SOMETHING APPROVED THAT NIGHT TO START IN OCTOBER OR SEPTEMBER OF THAT YEAR.
THERE'S TOO MANY MISTAKES TO BE.
WE'RE PRONE TO SO MANY MISTAKES WHEN WE'RE RUSHING THINGS.
THIS IS BEING RUSHED AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE HAVING A BIG FUSS ABOUT IT.
THIS IS WHY THE RESIDENTS ARE FUSSING ABOUT IT.
I HAVE SO MANY. HAS NOT SO MANY.
A ONE. YOU KNOW, I WON'T GET INTO EXAMPLES I HAVE FOR THOSE THAT ARE REQUESTING HELP NOW.
THIS IS NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
ARE WE GOING TO HELP THEM? THIS IS NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION BECAUSE THEY WANT AN ANSWER AND I WANT AN ANSWER BECAUSE I NEED TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
FOR THOSE IN MY DISTRICT THAT NEED FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM THE CITY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE RESERVES.
I'M ON TO THAT. WHAT ABOUT BERMUDA CLUB? WHAT ABOUT BERMUDA? WHAT ABOUT NO ON YOUR.
NO, I KNOW, BUT I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
WHAT Y'ALL DO TO ME. I MEAN, I'M HELPING YOU HERE.
THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE THOSE OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE ISSUES AS WELL.
SO THEY MAY NOT BE IN HIS DISTRICT, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY MORE IN OTHERS DISTRICTS, ARE THEY THAT NEED HELP? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO HELP THEM? AND IT'S A REAL QUESTION.
ARE THEY SELLING PROPERTY TO US BECAUSE THEY WILL SELL IT.
ONE DOESN'T EVEN ONE THEIR HOA GOT E SO WE COULD FULFILL.
WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHERE IT IS? IT DOES MATTER BECAUSE WE HAD A NEED IN THE EAST.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTIES IN THE EAST.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. HOW MANY HOW MUCH MILLIONS ARE WE SPENDING? I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HEAR THEY WERE SELLING THEIR PROPERTY.
HOLD ON. HOW MANY HOW MANY MILLIONS ARE WE SPENDING IN THE EAST SIDE OF TAMARAC? BETWEEN CAPARULA, BETWEEN THE POTENTIAL MAYNARD PARK, CENTRAL PARK PARK, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ABOUT $16 MILLION.
AND THEN ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE BUYING UP.
WHICH ONES? THE ONES ON US ON STATE ROAD SEVEN.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE PUT IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO? BUT 2 MILLION AND SOME CHANGE.
OKAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST 20 MILLION IN A POTENTIAL BASKET OF ASSETS.
RIGHT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE'RE SPENDING ALMOST 20 MILLION.
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NO OTHER DISTRICT IS EVEN I DON'T KNOW IF I'M WRONG.PLEASE CORRECT ME. YEAH, WELL, HE JUST SAID IT.
WHAT ABOUT THE TOURNAMENT? ARE YOU SAYING NO OTHER DISTRICT IS DOING THIS? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? NO, NO, NO.
THE DISTRICT IS GETTING ANY ASSETS OR ANY PROPERTY OR ANY HAS NOT BOUGHT ANY ASSETS, ANY PROPERTY, REAL ESTATE PROPERTY OTHER THAN IN DISTRICT ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS LIE.
IT'S THE OLDEST PART OF OUR CITY.
YOUR DISTRICT IS PROBABLY THE BEST LOOKING DISTRICT ON THIS COMMISSION.
YEAH. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE NEWER SOMETHING IS, THE BETTER IT LOOKS.
I GET THAT. AND IT'S THE POOREST PART OF OUR CITY.
NO, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S ALSO SURROUNDED BY TWO DIFFERENT CITIES WITH LOWER INCOME BRACKETS.
WE'RE SURROUNDED RIGHT HERE BY SUNRISE, LAUDERHILL, CORAL SPRINGS.
NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY SOMEONE.
SURE. THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL AGE WAS JUST TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
THIS HAS BEEN A PART OF THE CITY'S BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND SO THIS IS IMPLEMENTING THAT.
WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE EASTSIDE FEASIBILITY STUDY BECAUSE IT ALSO LISTS OTHER FEES FOR CONSIDERATION FOR PARTNERSHIP TO SEE HOW WE CAN CONTINUE IN THAT DIRECTION SINCE WE'VE STARTED WITH THIS.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN A PART OF THE BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION, A PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION AND STAFF IS JUST EXECUTED.
SO CAN I MAKE A REQUEST BASED ON THESE FOUR HOA'S AND BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LET'S DO A WESTSIDE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND LET'S BUDGET ANOTHER. HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING $20 MILLION FROM NOW UNTIL TEN YEARS FROM NOW? BECAUSE WE KNOW FOR A FACT, RIGHT? EVERYTHING DEPRECIATES, NOT THE VALUE OF IT, BUT THE ACTUAL BUILDING AND THE ASSETS WITHIN THOSE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE DEPRECIATING.
SO WE KNOW THAT THE ROAD, THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF ANOTHER FIVE MORE YEARS.
SO LET'S DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY BASED ON 1015 YEARS SO THAT WE CAN BUDGET TODAY FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONS AND THEY CAN FIGHT IT OVER IN THE FUTURE FOR THE WEST SIDE, BECAUSE THE WEST SIDE THEN AT THAT TIME WILL BE WHAT WE CALL THE EAST SIDE TODAY AND COMMISSIONER.
THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE DISCUSSION DURING STRATEGIC PLANNING WHEN YOU BRING FORWARD THOSE.
NO, I'M SAYING I'M I'M MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION NOW.
YEAH. NO, I'M TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO NOW.
YEAH, I THINK THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION, WE CAN START THAT PROCESS EARLIER, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S A PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS AND THEN A CONSENSUS YOU HAVE THAT READY FOR OUR NEXT STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING.
SURE. IT WOULD BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS.
AND THEN A CONSENSUS IS ACHIEVED BY THE COMMISSION AND THEN STAFF WOULD GO FORWARD IN IMPLEMENTING.
OKAY. SO CAN YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US FOR OUR NEXT STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING NEXT YEAR OR WHENEVER IT IS? YEAH. YOUR REQUEST FOR A WEST SIDE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT RIGHT NOW, JUST A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
HOWEVER, YOU DID THE EAST SIDE DO THE WEST SIDE, HOWEVER, YOU DID THE EAST SIDE DO THE WEST SIDE, BECAUSE IN 15 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS WE'RE HAVING IN THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE.
SO WHAT IS NOTED IS FOR STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT FOR RIGHT NOW.
WHETHER OR NOT A SENSE OF CONSENSUS IS ACHIEVED BY ALL OF US WAS ACTUALLY PUTTING IN IT NOW.
BUT SINCE I'M GOING TO BE AMENABLE TO SOME CORDIAL AND PRO DISCUSSION, WE WILL DEAL WITH.
UNTIL SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE MAYOR HAS ASKED GETS ANSWERED.
BECAUSE ALTHOUGH SHE WAS ASKING RHETORICAL QUESTIONS, I WAS NOT.
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THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.UM, OFFICE PART I DO NOT AGREE WITH.
SO IF WE CAN GO BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
UM, MONTHLY LAST THURSDAY, THIRD FRIDAY OF FEBRUARY.
THAT'S. THAT'S NO PROBLEM WITH ME.
CONFERENCE MONTHLY LAST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
THAT THAT'S THAT'S I IF WE CAN ASK FOR NOT BEING SPECIFIC TIME AND DAY FOR THAT PART OF IT I WOULD WANT THAT CHANGE. UM.
CITY ATTORNEY ON CLARIFICATION YOU SAID IT WAS FILED OR IT WAS NOT FILED.
IT WAS A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN YOU AND THE MAYOR.
BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE AND SPEAKING TO SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, THERE'S NO RECORD OF LAWSUIT BEING FILED FILED.
IT WAS AN EMAIL THAT SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE FILED LAST FRIDAY.
AND HE ALSO CHECKED THE COUNTY RECORDS.
HE CONFIRMED THAT NO LAWSUIT HAS BEEN FILED AND HE HAS ALSO COMMUNICATED WITH THE ATTORNEY WHO SENT THE THREATENED LETTER AND AND EXPRESSED HIS DISAGREEMENT WITH IT.
AND THEY INTEND TO COME UP WITH A GAME PLAN.
AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? DOES THAT DOES THAT DELAY THE CLOSING? FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MY JOB IS TO ENSURE THAT MARKETABLE TITLE IS PROVIDED TO THE CITY.
AND ALSO THERE IS NO POTENTIAL CLAIM THAT WILL PRECLUDE INSURANCE CARRIER FROM PROVIDING COVERAGE MARKETABLE TITLE IS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE TITLE INSURANCE IS ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH TITLE INSURANCE BECAUSE WITH ANY POTENTIAL CLAIM THERE WILL BE AN ISSUE WITH THE TITLE INSURANCE.
SO MOST LIKELY WHICH I HAVE ADVOCATED AND COMMUNICATED WITH SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY AND SAY THE THIS POTENTIAL CLAIM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A LAWSUIT, NEED TO BE RESOLVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
IF IT CAN'T BE RESOLVED, WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SCENARIO TO DEAL WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS A OUT THERE AND IT IS SHAKER VILLAGE RESPONSIBILITY TO RESOLVE IT.
IT'S NOT THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY.
OKAY. AND IN TERMS OF ALL OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE MAYOR, THE ONES THAT SHE MENTIONED IN TERMS OF THE CLOSING THE CONTRACT, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. ARE YOU OPEN TO GETTING A SECOND OPINION OR GETTING OUTSIDE COUNSEL? I WOULD RESPECT TO.
BECKER POLYGRAPH IS A PARENT IN REAL ESTATE WHO ALSO HAD AN ATTORNEY PREVIOUSLY.
SO THERE'S FOUR ATTORNEYS THAT'S BASICALLY BEEN REVIEWING THE ISSUE.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, AS AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, IF YOU IF YOU RECEIVE A POTENTIAL CLAIM RELATING TO A LAWSUIT, YOU HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE SELLER RECTIFY THAT PROBLEM.
AND SO THIS FAIR USE AGREEMENT, THE APPROVAL IS A CONDITION PRECEDENT.
IF THEY CANNOT, WITHIN THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, PROVIDE CLARITY WITH RESPECT, I WILL TREAT THIS POTENTIAL CLAIM AS A TITLE DEFECT THAT THEN WE HAVE A RIGHT TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE PARTIES CAN ALSO EXTEND IT WITH SUBJECT TO THE COMMISSION APPROVAL, THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD ALSO. SO IT'S THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN PROCEED IN TERMS OF GOING FORWARD WITH CLOSING WITHOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES BEING RECTIFIED.
AND UNLESS THESE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD.
BUT THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT IS IS BASICALLY SEPARATE FROM THE TITLE ISSUES.
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AND GOING BACK TO MY ONE 6160 LSAT SCORE FRIEND ONE 6165 OKAY. ALLEGEDLY THAT'S IT'S SUBJECT TO THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT.SO IF WE DON'T AGREE TO THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT, IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH.
THAT'S WHAT WELL, THAT'S WHAT IS IN THE ADDENDUM TO THE COMMERCIAL CONTRACT.
THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT IS A CONDITION PRECEDENT AND IF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT APPROVE IT AND THE BOARD DOES NOT APPROVE, IT OBVIOUSLY IS THE DEAL IS TERMINATED.
IT'S NOT A BREACH OF CONTRACT IF WE DO NOT ACCEPT THIS.
IT DOES NOT BECOME A BREACH OF CONTRACT.
IF WE DECIDE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ENTER IN A SHARED AGREEMENT.
IT MEANS WE DON'T AGREE AND IT MEANS IT'S DONE.
I'M GOING TO JUST GO BACK TO ONE PERSON'S POINT.
COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR SLANDER OF TITLE IS NOT WHAT'S OCCURRING HERE BECAUSE IT OCCURS WHEN SOMEBODY PUBLISHES AN UNTRUE AND DISPARAGING STATEMENT ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY. AND I'M READING IT SO THIS WAY HE DOESN'T THINK I'M MAKING IT UP, MEANING HOME BUILDING OR PARCEL OF LAND THAT COULD HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY'S VALUE. NO ONE'S MINIMIZING.
SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM CLUBHOUSES VALUE.
THE TRUE STATEMENTS ARE THAT THERE IS A TITLE CONCERN ABOUT WHO IS ALLOWED TO SELL THIS PROPERTY.
FIVE MEMBER VOLUNTEER BOARD OR THROUGH A 75%.
THIS IS ALL FACT. AND IT'S ALL ALSO THINGS THAT ARE THESE ARE FACTS THAT CAN BE DETERMINED.
THAT IS WHETHER THE DEFENDANT KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE STATEMENT WAS UNTRUE.
THERE'S NOTHING DEFAMATORY AGAINST ANYBODY IN THERE.
SO, ANYWHO, THERE'S OTHER PARTS THAT COULD.
BEING THERE BECAUSE IT'S ALSO WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE FORESEEABLE THAT IMPACT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN SHAKER VILLAGE LINING UP TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY TO OTHER PEOPLE IN CASE TAMARAC DOES NOT BUY IT.
OH, GOOD. I'M GLAD YOU'RE MAKING SO MUCH MONEY.
THANK YOU FOR LEADING TO WHERE I'LL GO NEXT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THE PROPERTY VALUE THAT WAS GIVEN IN THE APPRAISAL IS FOR $1,940,000 AND THAT WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THREE PARCELS.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO THROW AROUND THE WORDS DE MINIMIS.
IF WE WERE TAKING AWAY THOSE TWO OTHER PARCELS, IT CAME DOWN TO IN ONE PLACE, IT SAID 1,250,000 OR POSSIBLY 1,235,000. SO YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M SORRY, BUT THERE'S SOME SAVINGS THERE.
WHY ARE WE, AS A CITY, NOT LOOKING TO SAVE SOME MONEY IF WE WERE ONLY LOOKING TO BUY THE ONE PROPERTY? OR SHOULDN'T THIS COMMISSION HAVE SAID, ALL RIGHT, IF WE'RE GOING TO BUY AT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, THEN FOR THE PROPERTY VALUE AT ALL THREE, THEN WE SHOULD BE BUYING BUYING ALL THREE PIECES FOR $1,940,000.
YET THIS COMMISSION DIDN'T DO IT.
WE JUST HEY, COMMUNITY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXTRA.
THAT'S NOT A VERY SMART FIDUCIARY DECISION ON OUR PART.
SPEAKING ABOUT SOME OF THE MONEY IN THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE THAT THIS IS NOT.
THE $400,000 THAT THE COMMUNITY DID RECEIVE.
OKAY. 398,000IN CHANGE VERSUS $400,000 THAT THEY RECEIVED AS THEIR INSURANCE MONEY, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT TO BUILD THEM A VERY LOVELY CLUBHOUSE. BACK IN THE TIME WHEN THEY RECEIVED THEIR MONEY IN 20.
SO THEY WERE QUITE FINE WITH BUILDING THEIR CLUBHOUSE UNTIL MAYBE THEY GOT AN IDEA IN THEIR HEAD.
SO WHY HAVE WE NOT ASKED THIS COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE? ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHARED USE AGREEMENT, WHICH MEANS I PARTICIPATE.
WHY ARE WE NOT ASKING THEM FOR THE $400,000 OR REDUCING THE ONE? IF WE'RE GOING TO BUY ONE PROPERTY AT $1,250,000, REDUCING IT BY $400,000 BECAUSE THAT SHOULD BE THEIR BUY IN FOR US DOING THIS PURCHASE.
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HAD WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS THEN.I WAS NOT INVITED TO SHAKER VILLAGE MEETINGS, WHICH WERE ALL DONE ONLINE AFTER COVID STARTED UNTIL THE LAST ONE AT THE END OF JUNE, WHERE I WAS FINALLY INVITED AND GIVEN A ZOOM LINK. I CAN'T JUST JUMP ONTO SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE COMMUNITY MEETING AND JUST SHOW UP.
I DON'T GO WHERE I'M NOT ASKED TO GO BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE IMPOLITE.
I'M NOT THE ONE THAT HELD THE MEETINGS WHERE YOU WERE SUPPOSED WHERE SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMISSION WAS SUPPOSEDLY THERE WITH CITY EMPLOYEES TRYING TO PROMOTE AND DISCUSS AND FURTHER THIS PROCESS ALONG.
THE REASON WHY I HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED TO RECENTLY HAS BEEN AFTER THE CONTRACT THAT WAS WRITTEN WITHOUT COMMUNICATION TO THE COMMISSION TO EVEN HAVE A CLUE. THEY REACHED OUT TO ME.
THEY FELT THERE WAS NOT COMMUNICATION.
WHAT'S GOING ON? THEY'RE NOT HAVING QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
THEY'RE BEING TOLD THAT WE'RE THREATENING THEM AND THAT WE HAVE TO WE'RE FORCING THEM TO DO THIS.
IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE WANT THIS COMMUNITY TO THINK? WHEN WE WENT TO CENTRAL PARK.
THE REASON I WAS THERE IS BECAUSE IT WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE CITY COMMISSION WAS INVITED.
I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN TO SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY IF WE ACTUALLY WOULD STOP THIS PROCESS.
AND IN MY OPINION, THIS WHOLE THING SHOULD BE CANCELED RIGHT NOW.
STOP ANY MORE LAWSUITS, STOP ANY LEGAL WORLDWILL SPINNING.
STOP IT RIGHT NOW AND SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T WE START ALL OVER AGAIN, CLEAN SLATE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST PROCESS WITH THIS COMMUNITY, WITH OPEN AND HONEST, CLEAR EXCHANGES WITH THE COMMISSION, THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY.
AS FOR BEING CLAIMING THAT WE NEED THIS COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT WHERE IT IS ON SHAKER VILLAGE, BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S A GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THEIR COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN PROMISED THROUGH THEIR DOCUMENTS TO HAVE A CLUBHOUSE.
IT'S 2.5 MILES AWAY FROM OUR TAMARAC COMMUNITY CENTER.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY DRIVE 2.3 MILES.
IT'S REALLY ALMOST EGOCENTRIC IN.
THE MAJORITY OF THE WAY THE CITY IS LAID OUT.
SO WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S SO FAR AWAY FOR THEM TO BE DRIVING TO WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DRIVING.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN GOING TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMUNITY CENTER WITH SUFFICIENT PARKING AND THE LIKE.
HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES DO WE HAVE BETWEEN THERE? IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC. MAYOR.
I'M NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THAT NUMBER.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SAFE TO SAY THE CITY OF TAMARAC HAS.
441 DRIVING DOWN THE BLOCK AND WE GET TO, WHAT IS IT, 31ST WHERE? JUST BEFORE 730 GAS STATION WHERE THE GAS STATION IN MOE'S ACROSS THE STREET, AS YOU CROSS THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 31ST, THAT'S WHEN YOU START SOME OF OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. WHICH ONES? HOW MANY? A WHOLE LOT OF.
WE ALSO ON THE 30, WE ALSO HAVE WE ALSO HAVE ISLAND CLUB, LAKE LAKEVIEW AND ALL THESE WRAP FOR 41,
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BUT THEY'RE FOR 41 COMING THIS WAY.SO IF WE'RE GOING EAST, WE HAVE PROSPECT PARK.
IF NOT MISTAKEN, ALMOST ALL OF THEM, IF NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE.
CLUBHOUSES. EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND.
GOING TO GO TO MY LIST BECAUSE I MADE A LIST.
SO I'M TRYING TO SHOW THEY DO.
THEY DO SOME DISABLED PALM ISLANDS 1 OR 2, BUT THAT'S ON THE SIDE.
TAMARAC LAKES. NORTH TAMARAC LAKES SOUTH.
WE HAVE WE HAVE CLUBHOUSES, EACH OF THEM HAVE CLUBHOUSES.
BRING UP AND HAVE THEIR COMMUNITY CLUBHOUSES ACTIVATED.
THERE'S BEEN NO CLAMORING FOR US TO DO ANYTHING.
WE'VE TRIED TO GO OUT AND HAVE A SHARED USE AGREEMENT WITH ANOTHER CITY TO BUILD SOMETHING.
THAT WAS WHERE WE WERE DIRECTED BEFORE AND THAT'S WHY WE WEREN'T SPENDING $16 MILLION IN CENTRAL PARK TO BUILD A CLUBHOUSE WHICH IS JUST A MILE OR SO EAST OF WHERE SHAKER VILLAGE IS, MAYBE TWO MILES EAST.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN SHAKER VILLAGE HAS TO BE OR IS CONSIDERED THE PRIME SPOT IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THE CITY, OR TO MAKING IT CENTRAL AND EASIER FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S STILL SIX MILES AWAY THE OTHER WAY FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A CLUBHOUSE.
THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING. THEY'RE NOT SAYING TO ANYBODY.
AND IF THEY DO, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE SIX OUT OF EIGHT SECTIONS IN THE WOODLANDS HAVE THEIR OWN CLUBHOUSES, VERY NICELY DONE CLUBHOUSES BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, THEIR OWN MONEY THROUGH ASSESSMENTS TO REDO THEM.
THE ONLY PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE CLUBHOUSES ARE SECTION THREE AND SECTION FOUR.
AND THOSE PROPERTIES, PRIMARILY THOSE PROPERTIES ARE CONSIDERED THE LARGER PROPERTIES.
THEY HAD THE WOODLANDS COUNTRY CLUB.
THEY BELONGED TO IT WHEN IT WAS THE WOODLANDS COUNTRY CLUB WHEN THEY PAID THEIR MEMBERSHIP FOR IT.
THEY'RE NOT CLAMORING FOR A CLUBHOUSE TO GO TO.
THEY ARE SURE THEN AND THEN THEY'LL LET US KNOW.
I THINK IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THAT.
MY I WALK MY DOGS AND MY PUPPIES AND I MEET ALL MY RESIDENTS.
THANK YOU FOR THE CREDIT ON THAT.
MY FUR BABIES DON'T WALK WITH ME.
SO MY FUR BABIES, THEY WALK AROUND WITH BRUCE AND THEY DO THE OTHER THING.
WE HAVE OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR STUFF.
WALK YOUR ANIMALS. MY LIFE IS NOT YOURS AND NOT YOUR BUSINESS, BUDDY.
YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT, BUT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LISTEN TO SHAKER VILLAGE AGAIN IF WE HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO FULLY HEAR ALL MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT GOING TO FEEL THREATENED AND PUT UNDER DURESS, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE FIXED.
WHAT ABOUT THE GARBAGE? I WOULD THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT SHOULD NOT BE SOLELY FOCUSED ON THIS CLUBHOUSE.
THEIR THEIR GARBAGE DUMP IS THEIR WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THAT? THAT'S NOT RHETORICAL.
OH. SO THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT WOULD BE RELOCATED TO OR WHETHER THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REMAINED, YOU KNOW, REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY. WHY WOULD WE LEAVE SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT TO AFTER WE PURCHASE THE PROPERTY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS GOING TO ALLOW THEIR DUMPSTER TO STILL BE ON OUR PROPERTY AND THAT PEOPLE CAN COME DRIVE OUR PROPERTY TO DUMP THEIR STUFF.
THIS COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS ASKED BY THE RESIDENTS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT OUR DUMPSTER? WHERE ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT OUR GARBAGE? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT IT? THAT SHOULD BEEN DEFINITELY DISCUSSED WAY BEFORE COMING TO THIS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
SO THE SUGGESTION FOR GIVING THE ASSOCIATION THE ABILITY TO HAVE RENTAL SPACE OR EXCUSE ME NOW HAS BECOME POSSIBLE RENTAL SPACE FOR THEIR BUSINESS, THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS A BUSINESS UNDER SOME BIZ, NOT NONPROFIT, VERY MUCH A PROFIT.
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IF WE CLOSE THEM UP, WHERE ARE THEY GOING? TO THE BATHROOM. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE GOOD OFFICE SPACE WHERE THEY ARE.IF WE WIND UP GIVING THEM OFFICE SPACE.
ARE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS ASSESSMENTS GOING TO GO DOWN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PAYING RENT? THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, A FINANCIAL BENEFIT.
I KNOW. I THINK I JUST HURT YOU.
WE CAN'T TRACK THE BUSINESS THAT GOES IN.
BUT THIS IS A SECOND MEETING OR THE THIRD MEETING.
TOO BAD. SO SAD. MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVITED TO THE MEETINGS.
SO WEDNESDAY NIGHT WE'RE JUST GOING TO VOTE.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT, WE HAVE OUR TYPICAL FIVE AND TWO MINUTES.
IT'S OUR TYPICAL NIGHT AND OUR RESIDENTS GET TO BE HEARD.
FIVE AND TWO MINUTES. IT'S NEVER NOT GONE FOR ME BEFORE.
JUST FOR THE RECORD. FIVE AND TWO MINUTES.
YOU HAVE SEVEN MINUTES. JUST AS SORE AS YOU DO.
ANYWAY, AS I WILL CONTINUE SINCE THIS IS TOO LONG.
SO IT MAY HAVE TAKEN ME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I FINALLY PAID ATTENTION TO YOU ANYWAY.
HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO THIS PAID PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OFFICE? WE CAN'T ASK THEM WHAT THEY'RE DOING THERE.
ARE YOU TELLING US I'M LOOKING FOR ANSWERS? NO. WELL, I'M JUST.
DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET ANSWERS? HOW ARE WE GOING TO. THE REASON I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANSWERS IS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ANSWERS.
AND IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THEY'D ALL BE JUMPING TO THE MICROPHONE BY NOW IF THEY HAD ANSWERS FOR US.
PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE NOT NEGOTIATING.
THEIR ASSOCIATION'S NOT HERE TO GIVE US SOME ANSWERS.
AND THE FACT THAT THE COMMISSION IS SAYING, OKAY, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, BY TOMORROW AT 7:00, WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING, COME UP WITH ANSWERS ON LET'S SEE ABOUT REMOVING THE EXCLUSIVE USE FOR THE PROPERTY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
WE ARE BEING PUT UNDER PRESSURE BECAUSE WE'VE ALLOWED IT.
SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO RAISE TO A 20 BY 20 OR EVEN BETTER YET, A 50 BY 50? WE HAVE NO CONTROL ON THAT.
THERE'S NO PARAMETERS ON THAT.
THIS IS TOO PREMATURE FOR US TO BE VOTING ON TOMORROW.
WHATEVER SITE PLAN OR DESIGN FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER MUST BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION BEFORE ANY.
HIRING OF A CONTRACTOR TO BUILD IT.
SO WHATEVER MINIMUM SIZE THAT OFFICE SPACE, I BELIEVE, MISS CALLOWAY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IS THAT A REQUIRE COMMISSION APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN CONCEPT BEFORE WE EVEN MOVE FORWARD? YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANY PROJECT THAT I BELIEVE TRADITIONALLY THAT THE CITY BUILDS REQUIRE THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE AT LEAST A SITE PLAN, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AGREED. HOWEVER, WE HAVE LEFT IT AS A MINIMUM.
WE LEAVE IT FOR OUR DISCRETION.
I'M DISCUSSING. NO, THIS TIME OF THE WORD.
ANYWAY, THE POINT BEING THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE OFFICE SPACE.
A BUSINESS SHOULD NOT HAVE OFFICE SPACE IN OUR CITY OF TAMARAC COMMUNITY BUILDING.
BUT WE ALREADY KNOW THE TRUTH.
IF YOU WERE GOING OR IF YOU WERE GOING, YOU'RE GOING TO RENT SPACE AND YOU GO TO RENT SPACE.
THERE'S ALL OTHER KINDS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO RENT.
JUST THROWING OUT $100 REALLY.
AGAIN, ITEMS TO DISCUSS NOT DISCUSS.
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NO CONSENSUS. I WANT NO CONSENT.I WANT CONSENSUS ON THERE NOT EVEN BEING AN OFFICE IN THERE.
THERE SHOULD BE NO OFFICE IN THERE.
BUT I'M REALLY NOT GOING TO AGREE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE USE.
BUT THE CONFERENCE ROOM? I HAVE NO PROBLEM. BUT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ASSOCIATION, THEY PAY FOR IT WHEN THEY USE THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS, BUT THE WOODLANDS HAD TO HAVE THEIR SECTION FOR THE WOODLANDS, HAD THEIR COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION MEETING, THEIR ANNUAL MEETING AT COMMUNITY CENTER.
HOW MUCH DID IT COST THEM? I DON'T HAVE THAT FIGURE OFFHAND.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER THEY USED THE COCONUT PALM ROOM OR WHETHER THEY USED THE BALLROOM.
THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T USE THE BALLROOM. IT'S VERY SMALL, BUT MAYBE THEY DID.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY GOT CHARGED, RIGHT? YES. SO ALL THESE ASSOCIATIONS, THEY GET CHARGED, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A SHARED USE AGREEMENT WITH AN ASSOCIATION THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET CHARGED FOR THEIR ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, ARE WE HEREBY REMOVING ANY CHARGES FOR THE TAMARAC COMMUNITY CENTER OR OUR MULTI-PURPOSE CENTER OR OUR REC CENTER FOR ANY HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION MEETINGS GOING FORTH? PROBABLY NOT.
BECAUSE IF WE DO IT FOR ONE, WE SHOULD BE DOING FOR IT ALL.
SHAKER VILLAGE HAS NEEDED SOME HELP.
THIS CAME FORTH BECAUSE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY NEEDED SOME HELP.
CORRECT. NO, CORRECT THE RECORD.
BUT COMMISSIONER DANIEL, YOU CAME ON BOARD A LOT LATER.
WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO US WHERE THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $800,000 FOR THE PURCHASE AND TRY TO HELP THIS, IT WAS NOT WITH THE MIND FRAME THAT WE WERE GOING TO. IT WAS $800,000, WHICH WAS THE FIRST ROUND IN VOTING OF THE MONEY THAT WAS IN CAME IN IN BITS AND PIECES.
IT JUST CAME UP INTO THE SCOPE OF WHATEVER RESEARCH THEY DID ON PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS HAS BEEN TOO LONG.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT BECAUSE.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WE'RE DEALING WITH DANIEL. DO NOT INTERRUPT ME.
NO, I'M JUST ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
I DIDN'T ASK FOR YOU TO ANSWER ME MY QUESTION.
BUT ANYWAY, JUST IF YOU'RE GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
THE COMMUNITY SAID I WASN'T HERE, SO I WAS ANSWERING YOU.
MA'AM, YOU WERE NOT HERE WHEN THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO LONG.
I AM. AND WOODLANDS IS NOT A MATTER OF THE CITY PURCHASING PROPERTY.
IT IS A MATTER OF A PRIVATE PROPERTY, PURCHASING PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND THAT ONE WENT FOREVER TO WHEN SIMON COMES, THERE'S A HOUSE GOING IN BEHIND YOUR HOUSE.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN FIT IT ON MY PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S OWNED BY TWO OTHER PEOPLE, GOOD LUCK.
BUT WE OWN OUR PROPERTY, SO YOU CAN'T PUT IT THERE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S INSULTING IS THAT WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE THE ANSWERS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU THROW UP OTHER BALONEY JUST TO BLOCK IT BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO SEGUE FROM THE FACTS AT HAND LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HAS NOTHING TO DO THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FRIVOLOUSLY FAIL.
COME ON. I'M NOT FRIVOLOUSLY FILING A LAWSUIT.
SOME OF US ARE CANCELING OUR 2:00 AND OUR OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO.
I'M SORRY. YOUR SON IS IN THE HOSPITAL.
GO. DO WE NEED TO HAVE CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING BEFORE COMMISSIONER DANIEL LEAVES? WE STILL HAVE FOUR PEOPLE LEFT OVER.
DO WE NEED TO HAVE CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING BEFORE HER? HER SON IS IN THE HOSPITAL.
ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO MAKE HER THE HOSPITAL? I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE TO TELL MY BUSINESS ON.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOUR BUSINESS. SHE'S GOT A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
SHE DOESN'T NEED TO BE WAITING AROUND FOR THIS JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT SUPPORT.
VICE MAYOR. SHE'S MADE HER PROMISE ON THE RECORD THAT SHE'S FOR IT.
YES, I AM. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SHARE? WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS WILL WE WILL WE BE ASKING? I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.
IF. IF CAN WE HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP? THEN WE HAVE THIS FOR A MEETING TOMORROW.
ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE ANSWERS BACK IN TIME? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TOMORROW, MID DAY TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THIS DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE WILL AND WILL NOT BE VOTING ON TOMORROW BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PUT ON THE DAIS FOR US TO DO TOMORROW. WITH RESPECT TO THE USE SPACE AND ALSO QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE ANNUAL MEETING.
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IF I'M GIVING STAFF IS GIVEN THE DIRECTIVE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.SO I DON'T YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, JUST LIKE STAFF, HE HAS TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES WITH THE ASSOCIATION BOARD. AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU A TIME FRAME WHEN YOU GET BACK TO ME.
SO I'M PUTTING THIS OUT THERE COMMISSION.
SHOULD WE PUBLICLY NOTICE THAT WE ARE REMOVING THIS ITEM FROM TOMORROW'S AGENDA? CALLING A MEETING NEXT WEEK.
AND NOT TO MENTION WE HAVE TITLE OBJECTIONS TO STILL GO THROUGH BECAUSE.
MANDATORY OBLIGATIONS, NOTWITHSTANDING THE ADDENDUM, WHICH IS IN OUR SHARED USE AGREEMENT, INCLUDE WITHOUT LIMITATION, MECHANICS, MATERIALS AND CLAIMS THEREOF, ANY LIENS OR ENCUMBRANCES THAT SECURE OBLIGATIONS FOR BORROWED MONEY AND EXCEPTIONS OR ENCUMBRANCES TO TITLE WHICH CAN BE CURED BY PAYMENT OF MONEY.
REAL ESTATE TAXES OWING AND DOING THE TIME OF CLOSING COLLECTIVELY.
PARAGRAPH SIX OF THE CONTRACT SHALL BE AMENDED TO SHOW TITLE EXAMINATION.
PARAGRAPH SIX OF THE CONTRACT SHALL BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THAT BUYER SHALL HAVE UNTIL EXPIRATION DATE OF THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD TITLE OBJECTION PERIOD TO DELIVER A WRITTEN NOTICE TO SELLER OF TITLE DEFECTS AND OR TITLE RELATED ISSUES WHICH BUYER IN ITS SOLE AND ABSOLUTE DISCRETION DEEMS OBJECTIONABLE OBJECTIONABLE.
SEE THAT? SEE BUYER'S OBJECTION.
IF BUYER FAILS TO DELIVER TITLE'S OBJECTION OR SURVEY OBJECTIONS TO SELLER ON OR BEFORE THE EXPIRATION OF TITLE OBJECTION, PERIOD, BUYER SHALL BE DEEMED TO HAVE ACCEPTED THE CONDITION OF TITLE TO THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR MANDATORY OBLIGATIONS THAT I READ TO YOU FIRST.
SO WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT OR AN ISSUE OR A TIME TO DISCUSS AND SAY WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS TRANSACTION BECAUSE WE HAVE A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION.
BECAUSE THAT LAWSUIT THAT'S FILED ISN'T AFFECTING US IN OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION.
GO AHEAD. YOU MENTIONED A LAWSUIT HAS BEEN FILED.
HASN'T BEEN FILED. JUST FOR THE RECORD.
WITH RESPECT TO SHARE USE AGREEMENT, OBVIOUSLY IT CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
WE STILL HAVE TIME UNDER THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE TITLE ISSUES.
IN FACT, I HAVE PUT SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY ON NOTICE ABOUT THESE TITLE ISSUES.
IF HE CANNOT ADDRESS IT WITHIN THOSE TIME FRAME, OBVIOUSLY HE WILL MOST LIKELY COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, EITHER I'M NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS IT, I NEED MORE TIME TO ADDRESS IT.
EITHER THEY LIKE, LOOK, EITHER YOU TAKE IT AS IS OR I NEED TIME TO ADDRESS IT.
AND THE THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD AND SEPTEMBER 26TH AND HE WILL PROVIDE ME WITH AN ADEQUATE RESPONSE, HOPEFULLY SOON, BECAUSE THESE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES AND THOSE ARE TITLE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
WITHIN THE RANGE IN TERMS OF I THINK YOU COULD CORRECT ME MAGAZINE, WE USE MODELS OF SHARED USE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAD EXECUTED BEFORE AS, AS AS A POINT OF REFERENCE TO DRAFT THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
OBVIOUSLY OUR JOB IS TO BRING YOU REALLY AGREEMENT THAT IS DEEMED, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATED, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION.
AND IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DIRECT STAFF TO TELL THE SELLER THAT CERTAIN TERMS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE, CERTAIN THINGS NEED TO MODIFY.
IT'S OUR JOB TO GO BACK AND ADVISE THE SELLER AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THE FINAL DECISION MAKER.
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NEVER, NEVER HAVE BEEN.OKAY. I FAILED TO HEAR A PLAN.
THE REALITY IS WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO WEEKS.
THAT IS WHY I GAVE YOU THE PLAN.
HEAR ME OUT. WHAT? YOU HAVEN'T FAILED.
YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN US A TIME FRAME.
WHEN ARE WE AS A COMMISSION? BECAUSE THE COMMISSION GETS TO VOTE AND DETERMINE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO FORWARD.
IF WE FIND THERE'S A TIDAL ISSUE, NOT YOURSELF AND NOT THE CITY MANAGER.
THEREFORE, WE HAVE TO DO THIS PER THE CONTRACT THE DAY BEFORE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.
WHICH MEANS WE NEED A MEETING TO DISCUSS THESE ITEMS. IN THE SUNSHINE WITH TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND DETERMINATION.
SO. ALL I'M HEARING IS WE'LL GET THERE.
WE'LL GET THERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I SAID THE SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY IS AWARE OF THE TITLE ISSUES.
HIS JOB IS TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO ME BECAUSE HE IN FACT, HE WAS OUT OF TOWN UNTIL TODAY.
HOW TO ADDRESS THE TITLE ISSUES THAT THAT ARE BEING RAISED.
AND BASED ON THAT RESPONSE, EITHER HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT WITHIN THE LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE, OR IF HE CANNOT ADDRESS IT WITHIN THE TIME, I BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO ASK FOR MORE TIME.
AND THEN I PRESENT THAT TO THE COMMISSION.
YES. AND YOU HAVE TO PRESENT IT AT A MEETING.
YES. AND ALL THIS WILL BE OCCURRING PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 26TH.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 27TH.
THERE ARE EVERYBODY HERE HAS OTHER COMMITMENTS.
THERE ARE SOME RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF SOME OF IT.
THERE ARE SOME PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHY? I'M ASKING WHY THIS COMMISSION CAN HAVE THIS ITEM REMOVED FROM THIS MEETING TOMORROW TO ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH IT, GIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SELLER'S ATTORNEY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE TITLE ISSUES CAN BE CURABLE OR TIME CERTAIN TO BE CURABLE.
OR WHY DOESN'T THIS COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION CAN DETERMINE AT THAT TIME IF WE NEED TO CANCEL THIS CONTRACT AND START ALL OVER AGAIN WHERE EVERYTHING COULD BE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED FULLY AND PROPERLY AND TRANSPARENTLY WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMISSION.
WE HAVE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS AND I FEEL TOO MUCH PRESSURE TO HAVE A DECISION FOR TOMORROW.
MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE A DECISION FOR TOMORROW.
I KNOW THAT MIGHT PUT SOME PEOPLE INTO A VERY BIG TIZZY, BUT I'M GLAD YOU LAUGHED.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BE PROACTIVE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERATE ABOUT ALL THAT.
CITY MANAGER. DO YOU WISH TO SAY SOMETHING OR NO? OKAY. BECAUSE I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE TO ANY SHARED USE AGREEMENT THAT HAS US HAVING SHAKER VILLAGE INVOLVED IN OUR CONSTRUCTION OF OUR OWN PROPERTY.
I REFUSE TO HAVE US BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO SHAKER VILLAGE IN THIS CONTRACT THAT THEY REALLY HAVE NO RIGHTS TO IN THE FIRST PLACE OTHER THAN A SHARED USE AGREEMENT OF THE PROPERTY ONCE IT'S BUILT.
THEY SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE BUILDING IT IN A TIME FRAME.
WHEN WE BUY A PROPERTY, YOU BUY SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY.
YOU DON'T ASK THEM FOR PERMISSION OF HOW LONG YOU'RE GOING TO DO THINGS.
YOU BUY THE PROPERTY AND YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT.
WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR THEIR PERMISSION? SO I CAN'T AGREE TO ANYTHING IN ITEM NUMBER TWO BEING INCLUDED AS WELL.
I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. OKAY, GO AHEAD.
COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, CITY MANAGER.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU GUYS ARE DEALING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
RIGHT. MY POINT TO THE HOA BOARD.
RIGHT. SORRY, I THINK I SAID CITY.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF THEY DIDN'T CERTIFY.
AND I KNOW THERE'S NO ATTORNEY IN HERE, BUT THERE'S ATTORNEYS IN HERE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS VOID? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED TO BE ON THE BOARD.
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THAT MEANS THEY HIRED SOMEONE.SO THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED TO, ONE, HIRE THE ATTORNEY TO GET INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
SO DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM? ARE WE GOING TO ARE THEY GOING TO SHOW PROOF THAT THEY ARE CERTIFIED TO BE ON THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER. I BELIEVE THE MANAGER ADDRESSED THAT EARLIER.
THE CERTIFICATION IS NOT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.
HAVE JURISDICTION. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT MY POINT IS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AN ATTORNEY, US WITH AN ATTORNEY THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN THERE BECAUSE THAT BOARD HAS NOT BEEN CERTIFIED, DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEIR DOCUMENT SAYS, LET ALONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE HOA.
WITH A CONTRACT THAT HAS AN ISSUE FROM THE CONCEPTION OF THIS HOA BOARD IN 2022.
COMMISSIONER. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
ACTUALLY. I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT.
YES, IT IS. BECAUSE ACCORDING TO NUMBER 18, THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT, ITEM C, THE PERSON SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF EACH PARTY HAS THE FULL RIGHT POWER AND AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE THIS AGREEMENT AND BIND EACH RESPECTIVE PARTY.
SO IF THE ASSOCIATION, WHOMEVER IS CHARGED AT THE ASSOCIATION TO SIGN THIS HAS NOT DONE THEIR CERTIFICATION AND THAT BOARD HAS NOT DONE THE CERTIFICATION, THEN WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO REQUEST PROOF.
WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THE THE TIMELINE TO TO GET CERTIFIED.
IS THAT EXPIRED OR IS THERE A TIME I BELIEVE YOU HAVE 90 DAYS DULY ELECTED.
THEIR ANNUAL MEETING IS IN FEBRUARY, THE THIRD FRIDAY OF FEBRUARY.
SO WE ARE WAY PAST TWO MONTHS.
WELL, THEY GOT 90 DAYS IN 2022, SO I'M GOING FURTHER.
SO WHERE DO WE STAND? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I'M JUST GOING BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE BEING ON HOA BOARDS.
AND PER FLORIDA STATUTE, YOU NEED TO BE CERTIFIED BY THESE FIRMS. SO. WHAT ARE WE DOING? ANYBODY KNOW? COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS AGAIN.
THE SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY IS RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER DOCUMENT IS SIGNED IS THAT HE HAS PROPER AUTHORITY.
SO IT'S NOT THAT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY.
I MEAN, THAT'S HIS JOB. IT'S NOT OUR JOB.
IS THIS OUTSIDE CONSOLE OR THIS IS THEIR IN-HOUSE.
BECKER POLYGRAPH IN FACT THEY THEY AFFIRM THAT BASICALLY CREATED SECTION SEVEN EIGHT KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU WANT TO IS THIS THE CURRENT CITY ATTORNEY THIS CURRENT THEY HAD ONE PREVIOUSLY.
NO, NO, NO. I'M SAYING THEIR ATTORNEY.
OKAY. SO THEY MUST HAVE SO THEY MUST HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEY IN-HOUSE TO DO.
I HAVE NOT DEALT WITH AN IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY.
WELL, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CHOICE.
YEAH. YEAH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
SO THANKS, OFFICE FOR PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR OUR NEW BOARD MEMBERS THAT NEED TO BE CERTIFIED.
UM, I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR US, QUITE FRANKLY.
WHERE I NOTICE WE CAN'T SLUFF EVERYTHING OFF ONTO THE BUYERS, ONTO THE SELLERS.
WE ARE THE BUYERS. WE HAVE TO BE.
SELF-DETERMINING. ON THIS MATTER, AND IT IS INCUMBENT ON US.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM SELLERS, THEN WE SHOULD FIGURE IT OUT OURSELVES, NOT WAIT TO POSSIBLY BE TOLD BY THE SELLERS IF THINGS ARE DONE OR NOT. IT'S CALLED BUYER'S DUE DILIGENCE, NOT SELLERS, DUE DILIGENCE, BUYER'S DUE DILIGENCE.
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IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE SELLERS TELL US, THEN WHAT DUE DILIGENCE IS THAT? I CAN'T. COMPREHEND ALL THE LET IT BE SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROBLEM VERSUS OURS.THIS IS OUR CITY'S $1.94 MILLION.
THIS IS OUR CITY'S TIME AND MONEY AND ENERGY GOING INTO SPENDING TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY.
THIS IS OUR MATTER TO RESOLVE AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY.
AND SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
AND EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT IN THERE IS A MEMBER OF OUR CITY.
AND I'LL MAKE A DATE. THURSDAY, THE 21ST.
WE CAN HAVE IT AT COMMISSION CHAMBERS IF YOU WANT.
MY UNDERSTANDING ALL OF OUR CALENDARS ARE ALREADY CLEAR.
UNLESS YOU HAVE NOT PUT SOMETHING ON YOUR CALENDAR OR ALL OF A SUDDEN, OOPS.
NOW THAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS MEETING, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE.
OR MAYBE RIGHT BEFORE THAT, WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING WITH SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN? I GO BACK TO JUST. SAME SAME STUFF.
I'M OKAY WITH IT. MEAN, ARE WE PULLING THIS ITEM FOR TOMORROW? SCRATCHED OFF SOME OF MY QUESTIONS.
SOME OF THEM ARE NOT ANSWERED.
I CAN. DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS.
CITY ATTORNEY CAN WE CAN WE GET THOSE CHANGES BY TOMORROW? WITH RESPECT TO.
YEAH, I CAN I CAN CALL I WILL CALL HIM IMMEDIATELY.
AND I'M GOING TO SAY, LOOK, THE COMMISSION REQUESTS THAT THESE CHANGES BE MADE TOMORROW.
AT LEAST I GIVE THEM GIVE THE COMMISSION THESE CHANGES BY TOMORROW.
YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T MADE THE REQUEST.
LET ME MAKE THE REQUEST AND MAYBE WE CAN.
WHAT? WE'RE GIVING THEM MONEY.
SO IF WE GO AND MAKE THIS ASK, THEY SHOULD BE WILLING TO AGREE TO THAT TERM, SHOULDN'T THEY? I FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE IN LOOK, I THINK YOU IF YOU'RE GIVEN A NEW BUILDING WITH OFFICE SPACE, YOU KNOW AND THEY WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING YOU KNOW I DON'T THEY MAY BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE RENT RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, YOU CAN. YOU CAN MAKE THAT DECISION TOMORROW IF I'M NOT ABLE TO BRING YOU THE INFORMATION.
SO TOMORROW WE CAN STILL MAKE THAT DECISION IN TERMS OF THE SPECIAL MEETING FOR NEXT NEXT THURSDAY.
ON ON TUESDAY EXCUSE ME, THURSDAY, JULY 21ST.
I'M IN JULY. I'M SO FED UP WITH THIS RIGHT NOW FOR 9:30 A.M.
ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE WE WILL DISCUSS THE TITLE ISSUES ON THIS MATTER, EVEN IF WE FINISH THE SHAKER VILLAGE SHARED USE AGREEMENT TOMORROW BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE ALLOWING US TO BE SO WILLY NILLY ON SOMETHING THAT IS CONTRACTUAL BASED AND WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSION MEETING FOR IT.
SO I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO.
IT IS THEREFORE BEING MAYOR, YOU NEED A QUORUM SO EVERYBODY HAS TO BE AVAILABLE.
THEIR CALENDARS HAVE BEEN CHECKED, BUT THEY HAVE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? ANY PERSON ON THIS COMMISSION WHO FAILS TO SHOW YOU'RE ON NOTICE.
I'M PUTTING ON NOTICE THAT I'M NOT AVAILABLE ON THAT DAY.
YOU FAILED TO PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T PUT MY OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT OR OTHER ACTIVITIES ON MY CITY CALENDAR.
I FIGURED AS MUCH AS I SUSPECTED YOU WOULD BE.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM WITH THIS COMMISSION.
YOU FAIL TO PUT THIS PLACE FIRST.
I'M NOT SAYING SOME NEW PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION.
YOU FAIL TO PUT THIS PLACE FIRST, YOU FAIL TO PUT YOUR FIRST JOB FIRST.
SO YOU'VE BEEN ON NOTICE THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO HAVE A MEETING OR A POSSIBLE MEETING ON HERE.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR OTHER WORK TAKES PRECEDENT? WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION.
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SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION, MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU OR IS YOUR JOB AT THE COUNTY MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU? BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THIS NEEDS TO BE.A PRIORITY. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WORK ON FRIDAY.
THEY CAN'T WORK ON FRIDAY. RESIDENTS.
WE DARE TO PUT IT. ON THAT DAY I WILL BE CALLING ANTI-SEMITISM CRAP ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I AM NOT GOING TO BE TOLERANT OF THAT.
WE WOULD NOT DO THAT ON ANY OTHER HOLIDAY.
SO THEREFORE, THE 21ST IS THE LATEST TIME THAT WE CAN DO AS A COMMISSION.
TO DISCUSS A VERY IMPORTANT $2 MILLION PROJECT WITH POTENTIAL TO BE $10 MILLION MORE.
AND GIVE YOU TIME TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST FROM STAFF THAT I WANT CERTIFICATION FROM THOSE HOA BOARD MEMBERS FROM 2022, AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT.
AND CAROL, GLENDA, JODY AND ROSLYN AND NADINE, YOU HAVE BEEN PUT ON NOTICE THAT ANY FRAUDULENT OR ANY ACTS THEREOF FOR THE CERTIFICATION, YOU BETTER BELIEVE SOMETHING WILL BE DONE ABOUT IT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IT TAKES THREE PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION.
SO THEREFORE, THE MEETING IS STILL STANDING ON JULY.
ON SEPTEMBER 21ST AT 9:30 A.M., COMMISSIONER BOLTON CAN REARRANGE THE SCHEDULE OR WE CAN FIGURE OUT A LITTLE BIT LATER OF A TIME IF YOU WANT TO WORK THAT WE GET CONSENSUS. WE DON'T NEED CONSENSUS FOR ME TO CALL AN EMERGENCY.
NO, WE DON'T. MAYOR, UNDER WHAT RULE CAN YOU UNDER THE CITY'S RULES? THAT'S WHEN I CALLED IT BEFORE BECAUSE I HAVE THE RULE IN FRONT OF ME.
IN FRONT OF ME. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
I DON'T NEED TO HAVE CONSENSUS.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE. IT NEEDS OTHER PEOPLE'S RULES.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO BE CALLING IT VERSUS THE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO POINT IT OUT, THAT'S FINE.
PLEASE DO. BUT YOU STILL NEED A QUORUM.
ALSO, WE WOULD NEED A QUORUM TO DISCUSS.
THEN THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO.
THANK YOU. I WAS NOT AWARE THAT WE HAVE TO BLOCK ALL COURT CALENDAR WITH OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES.
SO THIS WAY THE CITY STAFF, WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE THINGS, WILL HAVE THE AVAILABILITY FOR US BECAUSE TO PULL ALL FIVE OF US, IT'S LIKE HERDING CATS. SO WE HAVE BEEN TOLD POINT BLANK, NOBODY SAYS YOU HAVE TO TELL US WHAT IT IS, BUT YOU PUT ON YOUR CALENDAR OUT OF OFFICE UNAVAILABLE.
YOU JUST BLOCK OUT THOSE TIMES AND DATES.
YOU ARE NOT AVAILABLE SO THE CITY STAFF CAN DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO HELP US BE MORE EFFICIENT.
SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU WILL MOVE WHAT YOU HAVE THAT DAY.
I'M HAPPY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE LATER IN THE MORNING, IF THAT'S BETTER.
BUT THE REASON I MADE IT MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE OPERATE UNDER THE RULES.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY MY SENTENCE AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU WHEN I'M DONE.
OKAY. THE REASON I WAS SUGGESTING 930 IN THE MORNING IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE STARTED THIS ONE AT NINE, AND WE'RE STILL HERE BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT TO DISCUSS A VERY IMPORTANT MATTER.
SO, CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ TO ME WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO FOR US? YOU INDICATED THAT UNDER YOUR POWERS THAT YOU CALL AN EMERGENCY MEETING.
I JUST WANT TO YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE RULES IN FRONT OF ME AND I DON'T YOU KNOW, MADAM CLERK WAS, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU CITE ME THE SECTION? I AM LOOKING AT THE CODE AT THE MOMENT.
JUST GIVE ME. OKAY, I'LL RESPOND, PLEASE.
THANK YOU. AND HOW IS IT AN EMERGENCY IF SOMEBODY PREEMPTIVELY PUTS SOMETHING ON THE CALENDAR? ARE YOU ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE CREATING AN EMERGENCY BY FILING A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT? IF THERE'S NO EMERGENCY, THERE'S NO BASIS IN CALLING AN EMERGENCY MEETING.
WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE EMERGENCY? THE AGAIN, TO HEAR FIRST OF ALL, I AM NOT FILING ANY LAWSUIT, BUT I KNOW I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I IT'S NOT YOUR DETERMINATION TO MAKE WHETHER IT'S FRIVOLOUS OR NOT.
IF THERE ARE ASSOCIATION RESIDENTS WHO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CAUSE.
IT IS. THE EMERGENCY IS PUBLIC.
I'M GOING TO FINISH MY SENTENCE.
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IS DURING THAT TIME.IS TOMORROW, SEPTEMBER 13TH, FOR A COMMISSION MEETING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
AND SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER FORMALLY ORGANIZED MEETING UNTIL.
THE 27TH, WHICH IS THE DAY AFTER OUR OBJECTION PERIOD ENDS.
THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE URGENCY, BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS WILLING TO COME FORTH WITH A DATE.
SO I'LL REPEAT WHAT I JUST SAID EARLIER.
HAD YOU POSSIBLY BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO ME THE LATEST DATE POSSIBLE TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS, INCLUDING ANY TITLE ISSUES, SO POSSIBLY FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ASSOCIATION TO ALSO FIGURE OUT WHAT NEGOTIATIONS WE MIGHT BE DOING WITH THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT, THE LATEST DATE POSSIBLE FOR US TO GET TOGETHER AS A COMMISSION IS SEPTEMBER 21ST, THURSDAY, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE HALF STAFF ON FRIDAYS AND AGAIN MONDAY THE 25TH.
SO THEN IF WE WAITED TILL SEPTEMBER 26TH, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL END DATE OF OUR OBJECTION PERIOD, WE HAVE NO TIME TO NEGOTIATE ANYTHING OUT OR REQUEST ANY FURTHER EXTENSIONS OR DO WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED.
SO IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE US CONTINUALLY DEALING WITH FIRES AND BEING PROACTIVE IS THE REASON I AM REQUESTING THROUGH MY POWERS, SINCE I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO FIGURE IT OUT. THIS MEETING, IT IS AN EMERGENCY.
I DO. I DID IT FOR WHEN WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE CITY MANAGER WHO IS NO LONGER PUT IN OFFICE.
I ASKED THE CLERK TO LOOK AT IT.
SHE CONFIRMED THERE'S NO RULE TO SUPPORT IT.
I. GO BACK TO, UNFORTUNATELY, AUGUST 20TH.
AUGUST 21ST, WHEN THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME WAS.
BUT REMOVED FROM BEING OUR CITY MANAGER.
AND THERE HAD TO BE AN EMERGENCY MEETING REGARDING OUR CITY MANAGER.
THOSE RULES. NO, IT WAS SUPPORTED BECAUSE YOU.
I READ IT, BUT I HAD THE AUTHORITY TO CALL IT.
AND IF IT HAS TO BE IN THE ROLE, IT HAS TO BE ANY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S EMERGENCY.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONSENSUS WITH YOUR COMMISSION MEMBER.
YOU KNOW WHAT? ALL I HEAR IS IT'S NEXT THURSDAY, PEOPLE.
YOU PEOPLE WANT CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THEY FAIL TO WORK AS A BODY.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO YESTERDAY'S GAME.
IT WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC IN OVERTIME.
I KNOW IT WAS AGAINST YOUR BILLS. THAT'S NOTHING AGAINST THEM.
BUT THE PLAY THAT WAS CALLED WAS THE WHOLE TEAM WORKING TOGETHER.
THE PERSON WHO WAS DOING THE BLOCKING.
DIDN'T SAY I'M NOT GOING TO BLOCK, DIDN'T TRY TO MANEUVER CERTAIN THINGS AND LOOK TOWARDS THE RUNNER WITH THE BALL, ACTUALLY DID THEIR JOB, BLOCKED IT OUT TO LET THE PERSON WITH THE BALL RUN TO THE END ZONE AND GET THAT TOUCHDOWN.
DID THEIR JOB AS A TEAM SHOULD DO.
BUT THIS TEAM IS FAILING TO DO ITS JOB, TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMUNITY SUPPOSEDLY NEEDS AND WANTS SO BADLY AND THE COMMUNITY. IS CLAMORING FOR US TO BEHAVE APPROPRIATELY AND START THINKING ABOUT THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
SO WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THAT? SO. BUT. BUT.
YOU'RE. YOU'RE CALLING A MEETING BASED ON.
FORGET IT. I WILL GO BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
ARE YOU AVAILABLE ON THE THIRD? ON THE 21ST, I GOT THREE PEOPLE AVAILABLE ON THE 21ST.
COMMISSIONER DANIELS CALENDAR IS VACANT.
ON THE 21ST, WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR A MEETING.
A BACKUP MEETING? SO WE CAN NOT BE STUCK IN A CONTRACT THAT CAN GET US IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.
IT IS NOT A BACKUP MEETING, MAYOR.
AS OF TODAY, THERE ARE NO LAWSUITS FILED.
THEREFORE, THERE IS NO BASIS TO CALL AN EMERGENCY MEETING.
I'M THE DISTRICT ONE CITY COMMISSIONER.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT I'M HERE.
I'M TELLING YOU THAT I'M NOT AVAILABLE ON THAT DAY, ON THAT MORNING.
IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF THAT COMMITMENT.
THAT AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE.
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YOU YOU CANNOT JUST CALL A MEETING ON THE BASIS OF AN EMERGENCY.THIS IS NOT A TEAM MEMBER BLOCKING SOMETHING.
AND AND THIS IS ASKING FOR FAIRNESS.
SO, CITY VICE MAYOR, WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE LAWSUIT BEING FILED OR A LAWSUIT BEING FILED IS NOT THAT WHICH MAKES THE EMERGENCY.
WE DO NOT HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT.
WE DO NOT HAVE A TITLE UNDERWRITER.
WE DO NOT HAVE A TITLE UNDERWRITER.
NO, WE DON'T. THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL TELL US WHO HOPEFULLY GOT IN TOUCH WITH JENNIFER LEVIN.
AND AT THAT TIME, IF WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY, IF WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY, A TRUE EMERGENCY AT THAT TIME, THROUGH YOUR PREROGATIVE, YOU CAN CALL AN EMERGENCY MEETING.
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY RIGHT NOW.
YOU ARE MAKING UP AN EMERGENCY.
I JUST WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD.
THIS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, YOU GET RAMRODDED IF YOU DON'T GIVE ENOUGH NOTICE TO PEOPLE FOR THINGS.
AND THEN IF YOU TRY TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH NOTICE, I'M SAYING THE EMERGENCY IS GOING TO BE IF WE DON'T GET THIS SCHEDULED FOR DISCUSSION ON THE TITLE ISSUES THAT ARE BEFORE US TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT, WE WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE FOR A MEETING AND THEN WE WILL BE STUCK WITH A CONTRACT ISSUE.
SO WHAT TITLE ISSUES, THOUGH? THE TITLE WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES ARE CREATED IF WE HAVE A LAWSUIT AT THIS PRESENT MOMENT, WE DO NOT HAVE A LAWSUIT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET OR A MEMBER OF THE OF OF THE COMMUNITY.
VICE MAYOR. WHERE DO YOU GET THE LOGIC THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A TITLE ISSUE, THE LAWSUIT HAS TO BE FILED? THE UNDERWRITER HAS.
MAYBE MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.
THERE ARE NO TITLE ISSUES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LAWSUIT.
BECAUSE. VICE VICE MAYOR SO THE PRO FORMA THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW HAS ONE TITLE ISSUE ON IT ALREADY.
OKAY, LET'S BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RIDICULOUS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE DO NOT HAVE A TITLE.
COMMITMENT TO WORK FROM A TITLE.
COMMITMENT LISTS ALL THE RULES, THE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THE EXCEPTIONS.
IT IS THE BLUEPRINT OF A CLOSING SINCE ATTORNEY'S TITLE, OLD REPUBLIC NATIONAL TITLE INSURANCE FUND HAS ADVISED OUR TITLE AGENT WHO'S WORKING FOR US, OUR SETTLEMENT AGENT.
WHO SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU BY NOW WE DON'T HAVE.
A TITLE COMMITMENT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CANCELED.
THEREFORE, THAT'S A TITLE ISSUE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT THIS MINUTE.
MAYOR WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST SINCE THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD IS SEPTEMBER 26TH, IF SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY IS NOT ABLE TO GIVE US CLARIFICATION ON THIS POTENTIAL LAWSUIT OR THREAT, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DEAL WITH IT? JUST PROVIDE, WHICH I BELIEVE WE HAVE UNDER THE RESOLUTION, THE MANAGER AND AND MYSELF AUTHORITY TO EXTEND THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD TO OBVIOUSLY 30 DAYS AND AND HOW MANY DAYS.
30. AND IF THERE'S A NEED FOR AN EMERGENCY MEETING OR A MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY TITLE ISSUE, WE'LL HAVE A MEETING WITHIN THOSE 30 DAYS.
I'M NOT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISION ON BUSINESS TERM BECAUSE IT RIGHT NOW OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT SHAKER VILLAGE NEED TO GIVE US CLARITY ON AND RESOLVE.
AND ALL I'M INDICATING TO YOU AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
OKAY LET'S IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO RESOLVE IT BEFORE SEPTEMBER 26TH, WE CAN EXTEND GIVE ANOTHER 30 DAYS, HAVE WHATEVER MEETING TO DISCUSS WHERE WE AT, WHAT'S THE ISSUE AND WHAT'S WHERE WE GO
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FORWARD. SO THAT'S THAT'S A REASONABLE GAME PLAN.PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH NOT HAVING US MEET TO DISCUSS ANY KIND OF EXTENSION DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CONTRACT THAT NEED TO BE KEPT IN MIND THAT I FEAR ARE NOT BEING KEPT IN MIND BECAUSE ONLY CERTAIN PARTS ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE TO CLOSE UNLESS THIS.
BUT THE THING IS, CITY ATTORNEY, YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT WE COULD JUST FIX THESE THINGS AT CLOSING WHEN REALITY IS THERE'S A REASON WHY TITLE ITEMS NEED TO BE CLEARED OR DISCUSSED 30 DAYS BEFORE CLOSING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT CERTAIN THINGS CAN BE CLEARED AT CLOSING.
THERE'S A REASON FOR THE 30 DAY EXTRA PERIOD.
THERE'S A REASON FOR THE TIME FRAME BETWEEN IT AND THAT IS VERY TROUBLESOME.
TROUBLESOME TO NOT HEAR THAT BEING UNDERSTOOD.
THIS IS THIS IS WHY I'M ADVOCATING THAT IF SHAKER VILLAGE CANNOT CLARIFY OR RESOLVE THIS TITLE ISSUE, WE WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT A 30 DAY EXTENSION.
WHATEVER TIME FRAMES THAT APPLIES FURTHER DOWN.
AND WE HAVE A MEETING TO DISCUSS WHERE WE'RE AT.
OKAY. WHETHER OR NOT SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY CAN RESOLVE WHAT OTHER ISSUES MAY BE IN THE LAWSUIT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AS THE BUYER, DOES NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE AND CURRENT TITLE COMMITMENT FOR WHICH OUR SETTLEMENT AGENT CAN REVIEW AND MAKE DETERMINATIONS TO ADVISE US AND EDUCATE US ON WHAT ELSE MIGHT BE AN ITEM THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IN ORDER TO CLOSE OR TAKE TITLE SUBJECT TO ANY EXCEPTIONS.
AND SO THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DEAL WITH.
I THINK WAITING TO HEAR FROM SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY.
NO, NO. I SELL A RESPONSIBILITY.
YOU SAID BUYER. NO, LET ME CORRECT MYSELF.
OKAY. THERE'S A SELLER RESPONSIBILITY TO RESOLVE AND AND UPON RECEIVING NOTICE OF THIS POTENTIAL CLAIM, HE INDICATED TO ME THAT HE WILL SEEK TO RESOLVE IT AND HE WILL TOUCH BASE WITH ME WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE ISSUE TO DEAL WITH IS TO SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
WHEREAS THE TIDAL ISSUE, WHICH WE HAVE TIME TO AT LEAST GET SOME CLARITY ON AND AND AND TRY TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AT A AT A MEETING BASED ON THE EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, SO WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE ON TIDAL OR IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, IT'S MY JOB TO ALERT THE COMMISSION CITY ATTORNEY.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT NOW, THEN HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY IS MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN CLEAR ALL ISSUES ON TITLE. WE RECEIVED A PRO FORMA A PRO FORMA IS A PROPOSAL.
THE TITLE COMMITMENT THEN COMES NEXT.
IF YOU WANT TO USE A PRO FORMA PERFORMERS ARE TRADITIONALLY NOT USED BECAUSE IT'S A PROPOSAL.
MAY BE DELETED, BUT ADDED THAT WE DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF AND THAT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, CITY ATTORNEY, WE NEED SHAKER VILLAGE ATTORNEY TO FIGURE THIS OUT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT HE AGREED TO DO.
MAYOR, YOU DON'T HAVE MAYOR DO YOU HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT? MAYOR RIGHT NOW, TITLE COMMITMENT RIGHT NOW.
WHEN I SPEAK TO A REAL ESTATE COUNSEL, JENNIFER LEVIN.
AND THE ISSUE WHEN THIS THREAT OF LITIGATION HAS WAS BASICALLY PROVIDED TO SHAKER VILLAGE AND TO US, OBVIOUSLY THE TITLE COMMITMENT, THEY DON'T WANT TO BUY INTO A LAWSUIT.
I UNDERSTAND THEIR POSITION, BUT THAT'S WHY I MADE AN AFFIRMATIVE REQUEST TO SHAKER VILLAGE.
WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM? WHEN? WHEN? OBVIOUSLY I GOT A COPY OF THE LAWSUIT.
OKAY. NO, IT'S DONE IN COURSE OF WHATEVER IT WAS.
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AND SO IT'S NOW CURRENTLY TUESDAY.WHEN DID WHEN LAST? EARLY LAST WEEK. OKAY.
FOR A FRIDAY. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE END OF THE WEEK.
SO WHEN DID YOU GET NOTICE THAT WE HAVE NO TITLE THAT WE ARE NOT I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T WHAT WHAT WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS WHICH FROM EXPERIENCE THAT YOU DON'T YOU WILL HAVE A TITLE ISSUE IF YOU HAVE A THREAT OF A LAWSUIT.
AND I WILL CONFIRM THAT WITH MY QUESTION.
OKAY. BECAUSE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, FROM MY STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS NOT FORMALLY ADVISED ME IN WRITING THAT THERE IS NO TITLE.
BUT I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH HER.
OKAY. DOES IT NEED TO BE IN WRITING OR AS SOON AS SHE TOLD YOU.
WAS CANCELED BY THE UNDERWRITER.
SHE HAS BASICALLY NEVER ADVISED ME, WAS CANCELED.
SHE INDICATED THAT THIS ISSUE IS PROBLEMATIC AND NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED BY SHAKER VILLAGE AND THAT WE PROBABLY WILL NOT HAVE A TITLE POLICY IF THIS ISSUE IS NOT RESOLVED.
SO I ADVISE SHAKER VILLAGE TO SAY, OKAY, I LOVE THAT I DON'T GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER.
I WAS VERY SPECIFIC ON MY QUESTION.
WHEN DID YOU SPEAK WITH JENNIFER LEVIN? GET AN EMAIL TO KNOW THAT THE UNDERWRITER IS NO LONGER GOING TO ISSUE A PRO FORMA OR A TITLE COMMITMENT OR WILLING TO INSURE THIS PROPERTY THAT THE TITLE WAS CANCELED? WHEN DID YOU KNOW? FROM MY STANDPOINT, BASED ON MY RECOLLECTION, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY OR LATE, BECAUSE I THINK I HAD A COMMUNICATION WITH MR. VALERO, THE ATTORNEY FOR SHAKER VILLAGE LAKE, THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL LAWSUIT.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW HOW IT IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, TITLE INSURANCE.
SO THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION, EITHER FRIDAY, LATE THURSDAY.
AND IT IS TUESDAY, AND WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION AT ABOUT 11 ISH.
AND I ASKED YOU A QUESTION AND YOU KEPT SAYING, AS IF WE HAVE TITLE, WE HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT.
YOU NEVER PUT US ON NOTICE THAT.
WE DON'T INDICATE TO YOU THAT THIS POTENTIAL THREAT IS A CLOUD ON TITLE, THAT SHAKER VILLAGE HAS TO RESOLVE IT AGAIN. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO RESOLVE IT.
I MADE IT CLEAR. ANYWAY, WE'RE GOING.
WE'RE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES. JUST LET ME I JUST WANT TO READ THIS INTO THE RECORD, IF I CAN.
THIS IS DEALS WITH CONDOS, WHICH SACRED VILLAGE IS A CONDO ASSOCIATION.
IT SAYS THAT WITHIN 90 DAYS FROM BEING ELECTED OR APPOINTED TO THE BOARD OF THE ASSOCIATION OF A RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM, HE OR SHE WOULD FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE HIS OR HER FIDUCIARY DUTIES RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE ASSOCIATION MEMBERS IN LIEU OF THIS WRITTEN CERTIFICATION.
WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER BEING ELECTED OR APPOINTED TO THE BOARD, THE NEWLY THE NEWLY ELECTED OR APPOINTED DIRECTOR MAY SUBMIT A CERTIFICATE OF HAVING SATISFACTORILY COMPLETED THE EDUCATIONAL CURRICULUM ADMINISTERED BY A DIVISION APPROVED CONDOMINIUM EDUCATION PROVIDER WITHIN ONE YEAR BEFORE OR 90 DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF ELECTION OR APPOINTMENT.
A DIRECTOR OF THE ASSOCIATION OF A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY CONDOMINIUM WHO FAILS TO TIMELY FILE THE WRITTEN CERTIFICATION OR EDUCATIONAL CERTIFICATE, IS SUSPENDED FROM SERVICE ON THE BOARD UNTIL HE OR SHE COMPLIES WITH THIS SUB PARAGRAPH.
SO I WANTED TO ENTER THAT INTO THE RECORD BECAUSE.
ALL FIVE BOARD MEMBERS WERE THE ASSOCIATION CHANGED HANDS WITH THIS CURRENT BOARD IN 2022? THAT MEANS THAT IF WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT.
MEANS THAT YOU GUYS CAN TALK ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT.
THAT MEANS THEY SIGN A CONTRACT THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SIGNED.
THAT MEANS WE'RE INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN.
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SO I THINK.WE HAVE AN ISSUE OTHER THAN ALL THIS STUFF YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO FIX THAT PORTION AND COMMISSIONER.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM ADVISING SHAKY VILLAGE ATTORNEY YOU RAISED THIS ISSUE AND CAN YOU GIVE ME INFORMATION WHETHER OBVIOUSLY THESE.
WELL, IT HAS TO BE THE ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS THE ASSOCIATION, NOT THE ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS.
NOW AS AS AS A POINT OF CONTACT, I BELIEVE HE'S THE ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE ANYONE ELSE.
I USED TO DEAL WITH ANOTHER ATTORNEY NAMED, I THINK STEVE SLATER, WHO WAS.
OKAY. SO IF I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, I THINK I KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
SO I WANT I WANT CLARITY HERE.
BIG LEISURE SAY THEY DON'T HAVE A LEISURE, SAY THEY MAKE IT UP.
AND THE ATTORNEY THAT BACKDATES THIS, I GUARANTEE YOU YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR LICENSE.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CAMERA BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHATEVER ATTORNEY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CERTIFYING THESE BOARD MEMBERS BACK DATES, THESE CERTIFICATIONS FOR THESE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU BETTER BELIEVE YOU WILL LOSE YOUR BAR LICENSE AND MORE BECAUSE THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
I STRONGLY BELIEVE WE ARE IN A CONTRACT THAT HAS BIGGER PROBLEMS. AND LET'S JUST SAY WE WANT TO LEAVE THOSE SAME BOARD MEMBERS ON THE HOA BOARD.
I DON'T CARE. I DON'T LIVE THERE.
RIGHT. BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO GET CERTIFIED.
RE CERTIFIED. NOW THAT MEANS THAT THEY NEED TO DO IT WITHIN 90 DAYS.
AND I DON'T THINK FLORIDA STATUTE 718 WHICH BY THE WAY, THE DVR IS VERY STRICT ON 718 IN COMPARISON TO 720, THEY DON'T GIVE A DONKEY'S BUTT ABOUT 720 HOMEOWNERS.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CONDO ASSOCIATIONS, 718 IS VERY STRONG HANDED.
SO. WE NEED TO RESOLVE THIS BEFORE Y'ALL RESOLVE ANYTHING ELSE.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS, WE HAVE NOTHING.
THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE.
I'M GOING TO REPEAT IT. I'M GOING TO SHUT UP.
THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS CAROL, GLENDA, JODY, ROSALIND AND NADINE SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
WE'RE NOT READY FORCING US, BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD.
SO Y'ALL CAN JUST STOP EVERYTHING THAT I'M DOING.
THIS. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANYONE PERCEIVED THIS.
THE ONLY REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP WAS BECAUSE I SAW THE FACEBOOK POST AND I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.
MOST LIKELY THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED.
WHY? BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T EVEN READ THEIR DOCUMENTS.
AND WHY DO I KNOW THEY DIDN'T READ THEIR DOCUMENTS? BECAUSE THEY WOULD. THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN.
SO ALL THOSE LITTLE LIGHT BULBS JUST WENT BLOOP LIKE A MERRY CHRISTMAS TREE.
AND NOW, WHAT WAS THAT SOUND AGAIN? SO I THINK BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, I'M GOING TO CONCLUDE ALREADY SAID THAT TWICE.
WE NEED THIS RESOLVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THIS THE DPR DOES LOVE CASES LIKE THIS, AUSTRALIAN AUTO OR THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE ATTORNEY OF RECORD FOR SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION PERSON.
AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DIFFERENT.
ATTORNEY AUSTRALIAN AUTO ARE THE ATTORNEYS OF RECORD ON SUNDAYS.
FOR SUNDAYS WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
UH COMMISSIONER THAT WAS THE FORMER ATTORNEY.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED WHATEVER SUNDAY'S INFORMATION, BUT I WAS TOLD BY ASSOCIATION THAT BECKER POLIKOFF IS THE ATTORNEY, SO.
OKAY, I'M LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU BACKDATE THESE CERTIFICATES, WE'RE GOING TO CONFIRM AND GUARANTEE YOU I DON'T CARE HOW BIG YOUR LAW FIRM IS, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU GUYS DONATE MONEY TO.
WE HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT.
AND I'M SURE YOU WOULD LOVE TO DO THINGS RIGHT.
SO JUST PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE OF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO.
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BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, A SITUATION IN YOUR HAND.RIGHT. AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FEELING GOOD.
SO. BACKING IT UP FOR THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS CONSENSUS FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE ASSOCIATION.
NOT OF THE ASSOCIATION OF A PROPERTY OF THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OR THE ASSOCIATION.
WE'VE GOT THREE. THERE WAS NO COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONER BOLTON.
SO ON YOUR TERMS? NO. DEDICATED OFFICE SPACE.
MODIFYING THE TERMS ON THE USE FOR THE MONTHLY MEETING.
HOME, BUT FOR HOLIDAYS, BUT ANYTHING FOR SPECIFIC FOR PUBLIC USE.
REMOVAL. OF THERE WAS CONSENSUS ON THAT, CORRECT? OKAY. REMOVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO IN THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
ITS CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND HAVING ANYTHING DELINEATED IN THERE THEREOF.
IT SHOULD BE JUST A SIMPLE ITEM.
THE CITY WILL BE CONSTRUCTING A COMMUNITY CENTER.
I DON'T EVEN THINK THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER SHOULD BE EVEN IN THERE.
WE SAID WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO HAVE.
THE MEETING ROOM. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING ON THEIR.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE IN TIME? WE OWE THEM WE OWE THE COMMUNITY SOMETHING.
IT JUST ESTABLISH A TIMELINE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, IT ESTABLISH A TIMELINE BASED ON THE CAPITAL PROJECT TIMELINE, WHICH WHICH WAS DISCUSSED WITH MANAGEMENT.
EXACTLY. WE ARE OBLIGATED TO THE ASSOCIATION BY THIS PARAGRAPH.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE TIMELINE.
IT THE LANGUAGE SAID CITY WILL USE ITS BEST EFFORTS.
IT'S NOT MANDATORY USE OF BEST EFFORT.
WE WILL TRY TO ACHIEVE THE TIMELINE AND 36 MONTHS.
IT'S A BUNCH OF SHELLS WITHIN THIS.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE SHELLS, IT CHANGES WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
MAYOR USE BEST EFFORT IS NOT MANDATORY.
DO YOU HAVE THEM? WHOMEVER WE'RE PURCHASING PROPERTY FROM? RIGHT. WE WOULDN'T DO IT WITH ANYBODY ELSE.
WHY ARE WE DOING IT HERE? IT IS NOT A SHARED USE TERM.
IN HERE. YOU WANT TO CLEAN IT UP? THAT MAKES IT MORE TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THAT THE CITY WILL USE THE BEST EFFORTS TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT.
THEN DO THAT, BUT NOT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
EITHER BE REMOVED BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT.
UM, OR MODIFY THIS PARAGRAPH TO MAKE IT WHERE IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR IT TO EVEN BE IN HERE.
AND THE WHOLE 18 MONTHS. COMMISSIONER.
RIGHT. SO WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER WITHIN 18 MONTHS.
IT'S A USE USE ABOUT TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION AND CONSTRUCTION IS 36 MONTHS.
WE HAVE TO STOP. USE THE BEST EFFORTS.
I SUPPORT THAT. OKAY? I SUPPORT THE LANGUAGE AS IS.
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OKAY. UNDERSTOOD.BUT CAN I JUST CLARIFY THE RECORD? IT DOESN'T SAY START.
SO WITHIN 18 MONTHS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE AGREEMENT, THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL WE'RE EXPECTED TO APPROVE THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND THE SITE PLAN AND THAT WILL BECOME EXHIBIT B, AND THEN WITHIN THE 36 MONTHS, WITHIN THE 36 MONTHS, THE COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION IS.
YES. WHY ARE WE PUTTING OURSELVES ON A TIMELINE LIKE THIS? WHY IS THE CITY CONTRACTING WITH SOMEONE ELSE WHO DOES NO LONGER OPEN THE PROPERTY IN A SHARED USE AGREEMENT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SHARING THE USE OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTY? IT IS NOT LIKE THEY ARE NOT WITHOUT SPACE AND DOING THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO.
IT'S NOT PUTTING THEM IN A WORSE POSITION THAN THEY CURRENTLY ARE.
WHY ARE WE CONTRACTING OUR OBLIGATION FOR US TO BUILD SOMETHING IN THE CITY? I DON'T GET IT.
ANYWAY. UM, THE TERMS OF THIS SHOULD ALSO BE THE EFFECTIVE DATE SHOULD BE AT THE START OF WHEN WE ACTUALLY CLOSE, NOT WHEN WE SIGN THIS, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE AGREED TO THIS TOMORROW. AND THEN PUTTING A TIMELINE IN THERE THAT WE AGREED TO AND THEN HAVING A LAWSUIT THAT POSSIBLY THE POSSIBLE LAWSUIT THAT'S GOING IN OR EVEN WE DON'T HAVE A LAWSUIT, WE HAVE TITLE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE CLEARED THE LAYS THE ABILITY FOR US TO EVEN OWN THE PROPERTY COULD TAKE SIX MONTHS.
IT COULD TAKE FOUR MONTHS, IT COULD TAKE A YEAR.
AND THEN THERE GOES OUR TIMELINE IN HERE.
WE'RE PUTTING OURSELVES IN JEOPARDY.
WHY? I AM ASKING FOR AN ANSWER ON THIS ONE.
IF I HAVE NO ANSWER, THEN THE ANSWER IS NO ANSWER.
MAYOR IT WAS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE WITH THE HOA ATTORNEY.
SO IF THE COMMISSION CONSENSUS IS TO FOR US TO GO BACK AND REWORK SOME OF THOSE THINGS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AS AS OUR ATTORNEY AND THOSE THOSE THIS IS WHY WE BROUGHT IN THE FORCE MAJEURE CLAUSE.
WHENEVER DELAYS COME IN, THOSE DELAYS ARE BASICALLY INCLUDED IN THE TIME EXTEND.
SO IF YOU READ THE FORCE MAJEURE CLAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT FAULT NEGLIGENCE OF EITHER PARTY AGGREGATES BY CIVIL GOVERNMENT RESTRICTION ACTS OF THE PUBLIC AND IMPOSITION OF ANY APPLICABLE LAW WHICH OCCUR AFTER THE DATE PROHIBITED.
SO THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAWSUIT.
OKAY. THAT DOESN'T SAY LAWSUIT.
ACTS OF GOD, TERRORISM, WAR RIOTS, CIVIL DISTURBANCES, GOVERNMENTAL RESTRICTIONS.
ACTS OF PUBLIC ENEMY ENACTMENT, IMPOSITION OF MODIFICATION OF APPLICABLE LAW, WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE DATE OF THIS AGREEMENT AND WHICH PROHIBITS OR MATERIALLY INTERFERES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IF ISSUE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING TO IN LIGHT OF THIS POTENTIAL CLAIM, LET'S MAKE THE EFFECTIVE DATE WITH RESPECT TO THIS AGREEMENT AT CLOSING.
SO AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY, YOU SHOULD BE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO US.
MAYOR, THE CLAIM WAS CAME AFTER NEGOTIATION.
I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THAT COMMENT.
OKAY. SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE SHOULD BE ALWAYS LOOKING OUT FOR WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE JUST BECAUSE THE ASSOCIATION WANTED THIS ITEM IN THERE, WHICH I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THEY DID AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT, IT WAS GOING TO BE ACTUAL NEGOTIATED CONSENT ITEM THAT WOULD BE IN THE CONTRACT FOR A SHARED USE AGREEMENT.
SO THERE'S TWO PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF MODIFICATION, TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT.
SO THEREFORE, WE'RE STUCK WITH THE PARAGRAPH AS IT IS.
UNTIL. UNLESS THAT TIME WE VOTE UPON IT.
TWO YESES AND TWO NO'S IS A NO.
AND. YEAH, IT DOESN'T GO FORWARD.
WELL, WE'RE GETTING RID OF THAT. NEVER MIND.
WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER CITY COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE FREE USE OF OUR REC CENTERS, OUR COMMUNITY CENTER, AND EVEN THIS CENTER, BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE USED BY EVERYBODY.
COMMUNITY CENTER, PUBLIC BUILDING.
SO THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT SHOULD BE READY FOR US TO DISCUSS AT ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
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UM, NOTHING FURTHER ON THIS ITEM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 209, SO WE'LL CALL IT 210.WHAT AM I MISSING ON THIS ITEM? NO, I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD JUST FINISH THAT.
WELL, NO, I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT THE LIVE.
ITEMS. THREE THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE SHORTER OR LONGER.
THERE WILL NOT BE AS LONG AS THIS.
ABOUT THE DISCUSSION, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'LL TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK INSTEAD OF A HALF AN HOUR BREAK.
TEN MINUTE BREAK TO TEN WILL BE DONE AT 220.
THANK YOU. WE'LL BE BACK AT 220.
[1.e Discussion on Notice of Pending Ordinance Resolution and Implementation of the Live Local Act Presented by Assistant City Manager/Community Development Director, Maxine Calloway]
CALLOWAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR.MAXINE CALLOWAY. FOR THE RECORD.
THIS WILL BE TR NUMBER 14001, WHICH IS ITEM NINE A ON TOMORROW'S AGENDA.
AND THIS APPROACH IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE.
BUT I'LL WALK THROUGH WHY WE HAVE DECIDED TO GO WITH THIS ROUTE AND DO A RESOLUTION, ESSENTIALLY PUTTING THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE THAT THE CITY INTENDS ON ENACTING AN ORDINANCE WHICH WILL ADDRESS HOW THE CITY PLANS ON IMPLEMENTING THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
ALL OF YOU BY NOW MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
IT WAS ADOPTED OR BECAME EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR.
IT HAS SOME MANDATES IN THAT ACT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
ESSENTIALLY, THIS SLIDES GIVE YOU GIVES YOU A SUMMARY OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
IT HAD SOME STATE HOUSING STRATEGIES AS WELL.
AND THEN THE STATE ALSO PROVIDES TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION.
THERE'S A MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT THE CITY HAS TO EMPLOY WHEN IMPLEMENTING THE LOCAL ACT.
THERE'S A MAXIMUM HEIGHT AS WELL.
THAT IS A MANDATE THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THE ACT IMPLEMENTS.
THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS ONLY.
IF IN FACT THE PROJECT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH 40% OR MORE OF THE UNITS BEING AFFORDABLE, THEN THERE'S A MANDATE THAT THE APPROVAL PROCESS IS ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE AND WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND OF COURSE, FINALLY, IF COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL LAND AREA IS LESS THAN 20%, THEN THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE LOCAL ACT MUST BE A MIXED USE PROJECT.
AND THE CITY OF TAMARAC FALLS IN THIS CATEGORY, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU SHORTLY AS WELL.
AND SO THE STATUTE SAYS THE CITY MUST AUTHORIZE MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AS ALLOWABLE USES IN ANY AREA ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED USE.
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YEARS AFFORDABLE AND THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR AFFORDABLE.SO ESSENTIALLY IF A PROJECT IS COMING IN, 40% OR MORE OF AFFORDABLE UNIT AND AFFORDABLE IS DEFINED FROM VERY LOW TO 120%.
AMI AND I HAVE A CHART AT THE VERY END OF THE PRESENTATION.
WE CANNOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
WE CAN'T ASK THEM TO DO A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THE SECOND PROVISION OF THE STATUTE SPEAKS TO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY AND HEIGHT ALLOWED.
AND THE NEXT SLIDE SPEAKS TO THIS.
BUT THE CITY OF TAMARAC HIGHEST DENSITY IS 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I'LL PREFACE IT BY SAYING IF THE PROJECT IS 40% OR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IF IT'S GOING INTO A COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED USE AREA, THEN IT CANNOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE CANNOT RESTRICT THE DENSITY FOR LESS THAN 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
SO IT GETS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THE CITY LAND USE MAP ALLOWS.
WE CANNOT RESTRICT THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT EITHER.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE DENSITY, WE CANNOT RESTRICT THE HEIGHT AND THE HEIGHT ALLOWED IS THE HIGHEST HEIGHT FOR COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED IN ITS JURISDICTION WITHIN THE CITY'S JURISDICTION OR WITHIN A MILE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR THREE STOREYS, WHICHEVER IS HIGHER.
SO THIS SLIDE JUST DEMONSTRATES THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE PROVISION I JUST READ, THE MAXIMUM DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IS WHAT'S AFFORDED BY THE CITY THROUGH A LAND USE MAP, WHICH IS 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
SO IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ZONING DESIGNATION SAYS, IF IT SAYS 15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE OR 20 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, IF THE PROJECT IS AFFORDABLE AND IT MEETS THE 40% THRESHOLD, THEN THEY ARE ABLE TO GET THE MAXIMUM DENSITY AFFORDED BY THE CITY, WHICH IN OUR CASE IS 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
LIKEWISE WITH THE HEIGHT, IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 40%, THEY GET THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 70FT.
IF THAT'S 70FT IS WITHIN A CERTAIN.
DISTANCE FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE 40% RULE.
A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AUTHORIZED UNDER THIS SUBSECTION MUST BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED, AND NO FURTHER ACTION BY THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY IS REQUIRED IF THE DEVELOPMENT SATISFIES THE MUNICIPALITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN AREAS ZONED FOR SUCH USE AND IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PROVISION OF DENSITY, HEIGHT AND LAND USE.
SO ESSENTIALLY, ONCE AGAIN IT HAS TO BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED PUBLIC HEARING AS WE HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO, SUCH AS A SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR A REZONING OR A LAND USE AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SEE THE PROJECT UNDER THE STATUTE, YOU WOULD NO LONGER THOSE ITEMS ARE NO LONGER BE BROUGHT FORWARD. STAFF WOULD ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THESE PROJECTS THROUGH THE DRC PROCESS.
WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT SETBACKS AND PARKING AND SO ON.
IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED WITHIN HALF A MILE OF A MAJOR TRANSIT STOP.
AND FINALLY, A MUNICIPALITY THAT DESIGNATES LESS THAN 20% OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USE MUST AUTHORIZE A PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS PROVIDED IN THIS SUBSECTION, AN AREA ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USE ONLY IF THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS MIXED USE.
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SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE.SO WE DID THE ASSESSMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE FELL WITHIN THIS RULE.
THIS RULE ESSENTIALLY SAYS THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO BE MIXED USE IF THE CITY HAS LESS THAN 20% OF ITS PROPERTY ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS A GOOD THING UNDER THE STATUTE, GIVEN THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING A PROJECT THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY RENTAL OR MULTIFAMILY, YOU'D BE ABLE TO RETAIN SOME RETAIL, SOME COMMERCIAL.
SO BECAUSE WE DID THE ASSESSMENT AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE, THE CITY OF TAMARAC HAS OVER 33, 334,000,000FT² OF PROPERTY WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES OF THAT, 39 MILLION IS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, WHICH PUTS US AT ABOUT 11.9% OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
SO WE ARE FALLING LESS THAN 20%.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE JUST A PURE MULTIFAMILY RENTAL PRODUCT.
SO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING CITY STAFF TO BRING FORWARD A PROPOSED LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE UNKNOWNS THAT WE HAVE FOUND THAT IS IN THE STATUTE.
IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR SIX MONTHS FOR US TO DO THAT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE DEVELOPED THIS LEGISLATION.
WE WANT TO JUST MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.
SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO CONFUSION WHEN AN APPLICANT IS READY TO FILE IN THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY THE STATUTE, DOESN'T SAY WHAT PERCENTAGE IS NON RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DEFINE THAT.
SO WE'RE GETTING A GOOD ROBUST AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL.
AND WHILE THERE'S A 30 YEAR REQUIREMENT FOR THE 40% OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE'S NO GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF HOW WE TRACK THAT, HOW WE VERIFY THAT AND HOW OVER THE 30 YEAR PERIOD, WE ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS MAKING SURE THAT IT MAINTAINS THAT AFFORDABILITY.
SO THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE DRAFTING WILL PROVIDE SOME GUIDELINES AS IT RELATES TO THAT.
SO RESOLUTION TR 14 001 IS A NOTICE THAT WILL PUT THE PUBLIC IS A RESOLUTION THAT WILL PUT THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE. SINCE THE LOCAL ACT HAS BEEN ADOPTED, A LOT OF CITIES HAVE GONE AHEAD AND INSTITUTED SOME TYPE OF ZONING IN PROGRESS.
THE CITY OF DORAL HAS ALSO INSTITUTED THE SAME TYPE OF RESOLUTION.
SO IN ADDITION TO OUR CODE, WHICH PROVIDES FOR ZONING IN PROGRESS, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE DONE, BUT WE FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO USE THIS FORMAT, AS OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE, TO BRING THIS FORWARD.
THERE'S ALSO CASE LAW THAT SUPPORTS THAT WHILE YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING DRAFTED THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO INSTITUTE A TIME FRAME IN WHICH YOU PUT THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE JUST TO WAIT UNTIL THIS ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED AND THAT NO FILING OF APPLICATIONS CAN BE SUBMITTED DURING THIS NOTICE PERIOD.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS THE CLEARWATER SHOWS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE CASE LAW THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.
SO ESSENTIALLY, THE SIX MONTHS EXPIRES MARCH 31ST, 2024.
SOME CITIES HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED SOME GUIDELINES.
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WE WILL BRING TO THE COMMISSION PRIOR TO THE MARCH 31ST, 2024 EXPIRATION DATE OF THE NOTICE.AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU, DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF ANYBODY KNOWS.
OFF THE TOP. THE FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR 2024.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MARCH, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S A JANUARY TO MARCH.
WHEN WE HAVE ELECTIONS, IT'S USUALLY MARCH.
I BELIEVE IT STARTS IN JANUARY.
I THINK IT'S A JANUARY TO MARCH.
IT'S A JANUARY TO MARCH THIS YEAR BECAUSE.
YEAH. SO MY CONCERN ABOUT THE RESOLUTION STOP DATE, I'M WONDERING IF IT COULD BE LONGER.
MY CONCERN IS US WORKING ON CERTAIN THINGS.
WE DO NEED TO WORK ON IT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO BE PREEMPTED.
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING ON TIMING IF IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR OUR CITY, IF WE COULD ADD ANOTHER MONTH ON IT OR NOT, BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS END IT SOONER, BECAUSE IF THE GLITCH BILL COMES IN, THAT HAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE OR PROTECT AGAINST.
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO WITHOUT HAVING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO EXTEND THIS ORDINANCE.
IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. YEAH, AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
I THINK THE SIX MONTHS HAVE PROVEN TO BE REASONABLE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH ZONING IN PROGRESS IN THE PAST.
AND WE HAVE COME BACK AND EXTENDED.
ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE AS EVERYONE KNOWS, I'VE SHARED IT.
I AM THE SECRETARY OF THE BROWARD COUNTY PLANNING COUNCIL.
I AM THE CHAIR OF THE BROWARD COUNTY AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE.
AND NOT TO SAY THAT MEETING IS NOT, BUT THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT.
THIS IS OUR CITY AT ALL THREE OF THESE COMMITTEES WHERE I'VE SERVED.
AND DEFINITELY THERE'S AN ISSUE WHEN YOU HAVE SMALL INDUSTRIAL OR WE HAVE OUR COMMERCIAL PLAZAS THAT ARE NOT EQUIPPED, WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERGROUND, WE DON'T HAVE THESE THINGS AVAILABLE FOR.
HOUSING. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE COMMERCIAL PLAZAS AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE INDUSTRIAL PLAZAS.
SO CERTAIN THINGS ARE NOT THERE AND CERTAIN THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO IT DOESN'T SPECIFY IF IT'S RENTALS OR IT'S ONLY RENTALS, IT SAYS RENTALS.
IF IT'S SPECIFICALLY ONLY RENTALS VERSUS AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS TO PURCHASE.
SO BECAUSE YOU CAN PURCHASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
I'M HAPPY TO BRING INFORMATION FROM MY ENTITIES THAT I SERVE ON.
SO LET US KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP, PLEASE.
[1.f Discussion on Autism Friendly Cities Presentation by Parks & Recreation Director, Greg Warner & Assistant Director, Melissa Petron]
MELISSA PAYTON WITH A CONGRATULATIONS.PLEASE. PLEASE WELCOME MELISSA TO THE.
WITH THE CITY, BUT SHE'S A LONG TERM CITY EMPLOYEE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE LOSING THE TALENT, BUT WE'RE WE'RE GAINING TALENT AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK PREVIEW OF THIS CONVERSATION THAT A WHILE AGO WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONDITIONS, TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF BECOMING AN AUTISM FRIENDLY CITY AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE THE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT.
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SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.GREG AND MELISSA, THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD.
GREG WARNER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MELISSA TO RUN RUN THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION WITH THE FACTS.
SHE DID THE RESEARCH ON WHAT THIS WOULD TAKE.
YES, I WAS VERY HAPPY TO DO THIS RESEARCH BECAUSE ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
I HAVE A SISTER, AN OLDER SISTER WHO HAS AUTISM, AND I HAVE A NEPHEW WHO HAS AUTISM AS WELL.
SO JUST GETTING INTO THIS RESEARCH, I ALSO LEARNED A LOT MORE ABOUT ABOUT THIS.
SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO REPORT ON IT.
BRAIN DISORDER EMERGES AND IS DIAGNOSED IN EARLY CHILDHOOD.
AND IT'S ALSO CONSIDERED A SPECTRUM.
HOW COMMON IS ASD? WELL, IF BACK IN 1970 IT WAS 1 IN 10,000.
THAT'S 1 IN 50 SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.
SO WHAT IS AUTISM FRIENDLY? AUTISM FRIENDLY IS PROVIDING A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE WITH AUTISM AND DISABILITIES.
I HAD TO MEET WITH A COUPLE ORGANIZATIONS.
SO BOTH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THEY WORK TOGETHER TO HELP BE THE DESIGNATED PARTNER.
THEY WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD DESIGNATE US AS A AUTISM FRIENDLY CITY.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO IT STARTS WITH PLANNING, WHICH NEURO NEURO CONSULTING SOLUTIONS WILL PROVIDE THE TRAINING.
FIRST, THEY'LL MEET WITH CITY LEADERSHIP.
THEY'LL DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE ACTION PLAN.
THE NEXT THREE PHASES IS ALL ABOUT THE TRAINING.
FIRST, I'LL START WITH CITY LEADERSHIP.
BUT IT KIND OF GOES BEYOND THAT.
ONE IS TO DEVELOP PROGRAMING AND THE OTHER ONE IS TO TRAIN ON CREATING INCLUSIVE WORKSPACES.
THIS IS A MANDATORY IF WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY REQUIRE AT LEAST THREE MONTHS FOR $2,000 WHERE THEY'LL PROVIDE VIRTUAL ONGOING SUPPORT ONE TIMES A WEEK FOR ONE HOUR. THAT'S JUST IF THERE'S ANY CHALLENGING CHALLENGES COMING UP, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GUIDE US ON WHAT TO DO.
SO THE ESTIMATED COST IS $13,700 IF WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO LOOK INTO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIDGET TOYS, SOME SENSORY FRIENDLY ARTS AND CRAFTS IN THAT AREA, AND IT'LL BE DESIGNATED FOR PEOPLE WITH AUTISM OR SENSORY RELATED DIFFICULTIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR EVENT.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE THEM IN OUR FACILITIES.
MAYBE AT THE FRONT DESK, AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, HAVING THINGS LIKE HEADPHONES, GLOVES, FACE MASKS AND SUNGLASSES JUST FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE ISSUES WITH SOUND, TOUCH, SMELL AND LIGHTING THAT WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR THEM.
THAT WAS JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE STEPS THAT IT TAKES.
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RIGHT NOW, THERE'S THREE CITIES THAT ARE AUTISM FRIENDLY.THAT'S COOPER CITY, PARKLAND AND WESTON.
WE'RE LOOKING TO BECOME THE FOURTH.
THERE'S PARKLAND WAS THE FIRST AND IT WAS WESTON AND THEN COOPER CITY.
SIMILAR TO COOPER CITY IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN OURS.
PARKLAND. POPULATION WISE, IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
WESTON PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND THE SAME.
NOT TO BELABOR THIS GOOD PRESENTATION.
AS A PERSON WHO HER FIRST JOB WHEN SHE WORKED DOWN HERE WAS FOR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WHOSE NAMED PERSON IN THE FOUNDATION HAD AN AUTISTIC SON.
I WAS ACTUALLY JUST AT AN EVENT ON SUNDAY WHERE THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO HAS HYPERSENSITIVITY AS AS YOU EXPRESSED, HE HAD THE HEADPHONES ON WHEN PEOPLE WERE TALKING OR CLAPPING.
IT WAS TOO LOUD FOR HIM, EVEN WITH THE HEADSET ON.
SOME OF THE DISRUPTIONS AND WATCHING PEOPLE TURN.
AND WHILE EVERYBODY IS TRYING VERY MUCH TO BE SUPPORTIVE AND UNDERSTANDING.
UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF THE OUTBURSTS DO CAUSE SOME ISSUES WITHIN.
AN EVENT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO TRYING TO ENJOY.
I'M TRYING TO BE QUICK AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
AS SOME KNOW, I GET THE PLEASURE OF DANCING WITH THEM.
THEY'RE WONDERFUL. THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY HAVE AUTISM.
THEY HAVE VARIOUS SPECTRUMS AND THEY'RE WONDERFUL AND THEY ENJOY IT.
SO IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO.
I'M REALLY NOT SURE ABOUT THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO ON THE NON EXTRA FINANCIAL PART OF IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN ALSO GET, WHERE WE CAN LEARN ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, RIGHT? IF WE'RE DOING WELL, THEN WE CAN ADD THE ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL ASPECTS IN THERE INSTEAD OF GOING FINANCIAL FIRST WHERE THE TRAINING MAY NOT BE. USED, RIGHT? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S UTILIZED IF THE CITY STAFF NEEDS TRAINING FIRST OR ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THE AUTISM FRIENDLY PLACES, THAT DEFINITELY SHOULD BE.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BEING STOPPED BY FINANCIAL.
I'M JUST THINKING BECAUSE I GOT PART OF THIS APPRECIATE BUT SOME OF IT MAY BE A COMBINATION PLATE.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMBINATION PLATE.
OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'M IN FAVOR OF. SHE PRESENTED TWO THINGS.
THE BUDGET PART AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S OKAY. BASICALLY, THERE IS THE REQUEST FOR DOING A FULL ALL OUT AUTISM FRIENDLY PROGRAM WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN FINANCIAL ASPECTS WITHIN IT WHERE EVERYBODY GOES FOR.
TRAINING IS, I THINK IS THE WORD.
YEAH. TRAINING, WHICH I THINK STAFF NEEDS, DEFINITELY NEEDS TRAINING.
I'M NOT SAYING THE COMMISSION DOESN'T.
BUT IF I MAY, I THINK YOU KNOW.
IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR US TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN WITHOUT PURSUING THE CERTIFICATION OR THE DESIGNATION AND LET US DO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY PREPARING AND PLANNING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST ADDS TO IT.
SO LET US TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR FOR THE TIME BEING.
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AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY.THAT'S AND PURSUE THE THE CERTIFICATION OR THE DESIGNATION.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT WE JUST WE DO THE WORK WITHOUT THE CERTIFICATION.
WE DO EVERYTHING, BUT WE JUST DON'T SPEND THE 13,000 AND CHANGE TO GET CERTIFIED AND BE DESIGNATED.
OR DO WE DO IT ALL, WHICH INCLUDES THE COST OF TRAINING FOR BEING DESIGNATED? I'M IN FAVOR OF THE COST. I'M NOT REALLY OPPOSED.
I JUST WAS TRYING TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY COMMISSIONER CITY LEADERSHIP.
SO GO FORTH, GET THOSE, GET TRAINED AND LET US BE THE FOURTH.
THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER FOR THIS MEETING.
IT'S 3 P.M.. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.