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          GOOD MORNING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WELCOME TO OUR COMMISSION WORKSHOP APRIL 22ND 2019. PLEASE CALL COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS NOT PRESENT COMMISSIONER YELLEN YOUR 
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COMMISSIONER FISHMAN HERE THEY ARE BACKUP VICE MAYOR FLACCO. GOOD MORNING. MAY YOUR GOODNESS. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS IT STANDS ONE NATION INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IN ADDITION TO OUR SHOP 
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TODAY CAPTAIN GLASSMAN. GOOD MORNING. MORNING. LET'S BEGIN. CAPTAIN NEIL GLASSMAN TAMARAC CATERING MAJOR WAS ASKED TO COME TODAY TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS. SO YOU KNOW WE HAD THAT INCIDENT LAST THURSDAY THE 18TH. AND TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS REVIEW OF THE CASE SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS SPECIFICS OF THE INVESTIGATION BUT WE'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE PARAMETERS THAT SHE'S ALLOWED TO THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. JUST BEFORE I GET STARTED I WANTED TO KIND OF INTRODUCE MYSELF TO YOU GUYS I'VE BEEN WITH YOU SO FOR 21 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN PATROL AND INVESTIGATIONS ACTUALLY WORK IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS PREVIOUSLY AND CURRENTLY THE MAJOR OF OUR NORTH REGION WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY OF TAMPA. SO I ACTUALLY BEGAN MY PATROL CAREER HERE IN TAMPA. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY AS YOU GUYS KNOW TRUST BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S CRITICAL TO OUR EFFECTIVENESS. SO WE EXPECT OUR EMPLOYEES TO MAINTAIN HIGH STANDARDS. AND ON THOSE OCCASIONS WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS IN PLACE TO EVALUATE THAT. SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS. EXCUSE ME. THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROCESS IS GOVERNED BY MANY THINGS INCLUDING STATE STATUTE FEDERAL LAWS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS AND PUBLIC. THE PUBLIC IS AFFORDED RIGHTS JUST AS EMPLOYEES ARE. SO EMPLOYEE RIGHTS ARE GOVERNED BY FLORIDA STATE STATUTE 112 WHICH IS THE POLICE OFFICERS DELIBERATE SO THE I.A. IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INVESTIGATING THESE COMPLAINTS. AND BASICALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT WAS THE EMPLOYEE PROPERLY TRAINED. DID THEY USE THE TECHNIQUES THAT THEY WERE TRAINED TO DO AND DID THEY COMPLY WITH OUR POLICIES. THAT'S WHAT THEY EVALUATE. SO HOW DO THEY EVALUATE THAT. 
          THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT THEY LOOK AT. THEY'RE DOING A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION WHICH INCLUDES A REVIEW OF MORE CAMERA FOOTAGE REPORTS WITNESS STATEMENTS AND ON OCCASIONS THEY COMPEL EMPLOYEES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE DONE BASICALLY THEY DO A FINAL WRITTEN REPORT OF THEIR FINDINGS AND THEN BASICALLY THE CASE CAN GO ONE OF TWO WAYS IN A PARTICULAR CASE LIKE THIS. HE WILL EITHER BE FORWARD TO THE STATE ATTORNEY FOR REVIEW OR CRIMINAL CHARGES OR IT WILL BE PROVIDED TO OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW. SO THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE IS COMPRISED OF 11 MEMBERS FOUR OF WHICH ARE NOT EMPLOYEES AND THOSE ARE SELECTED FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE REVIEWS ALL OF THE FINDINGS AND MAKES A FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE SHERIFF. SO THE RECOMMENDATION COULD INCLUDE THAT THEY BELIEVE THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT SUSTAINED. SUSTAINED UNFOUNDED OR THEY EXONERATE THE EMPLOYEE OR THEY CAN DEFER IT BACK TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR MORE OR MORE INVESTIGATION ONCE ALL THAT IS COMPLETE THE EMPLOYEE IS AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY AT A PRE DISCIPLINED HEARING WHERE THEY CAN PRESENT MORE WITNESS TESTIMONY MORE EVIDENCE AND THEN A FINAL RECOMMENDATION IS PROVIDED TO THE SHERIFF IF WHATEVER THAT RECOMMENDATION IS THE SHERIFF IMPOSES THAT DISCIPLINE AND THEN IT'S IMPOSED UPON THE EMPLOYEE. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH KIND OF A VERY GENERIC VERSION OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. SO THESE ACTIONS ARE ALL GOVERNED BY STATE STATUTE AND THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE EXEMPT AND CONFIDENTIAL UNTIL DISCIPLINE HAS BEEN RENDERED ON THE EMPLOYEE AND BY POLICY. THOSE INVESTIGATIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED IN 90 DAYS UNLESS THERE'S CRIMINAL CHARGES. THERE ARE SOME FINER NUANCES IF THERE'S CRIMINAL CHARGES WHERE IT MAKES THEN THE INVESTIGATION BUT I WANT TO HAVE A SHERIFF TELLING YOU THAT YOU'RE COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY. AND WE CERTAINLY WANT THE PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD AND ALLOW THE COMPLETE INVESTIGATION TO TAKE PLACE. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T FOR YOU GUYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE YELLEN HAS QUESTIONS. THE WHAT YOU DISPLAY EXPLAINED TO US CAN YOU GIVE US IF THAT WAS AN OUTLINE PROCESS THAT YOU JUST. YEAH I WOULD. SO WE COULD SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'RE DEMANDING TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND JUST SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS I HAVE IN CERTAIN CABINET GLASS WE MIGHT HAVE MORE OR BETTER ANSWERS. HOW MANY WOMEN ARE 
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ASSIGNED AS OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF TEMPORARY WOMEN LET'S SAY WOMEN POLICE OFFICERS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY EYE I'D HAVE TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY I'M JUST TRYING TO GO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THERE'S THREE THAT I COULD THINK OF JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. HOW MANY HISPANICS I'D HAVE TO KNOW LOOK AT. THAT'S WHY AFRICAN-AMERICANS AT LEAST TWO THAT I KNOW OF OFF THE TOP MY HEAD. AND I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ACTION THAT HAPPENED. BUT REGARDING THE OFFICERS INVOLVED DO THEY HAVE A DISCIPLINARY RECORD NEGATIVE REMARKS TO THE BEST OF MY DOLLAR MY KNOWLEDGE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT QUICK PITCH DOES. I DON'T RECALL SPECIFICALLY WHAT SERGEANT LAZARUS WAS. IS THERE A RECORD OF ANY CULTURAL OR SENSITIVITY TRAINING THAT THE OFFICERS RECEIVED I WOULD HAVE TO REFER TO OUR TRAINING DEPARTMENT FOR THE EXACT TRAINING COURSE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THEM. AND THEN IS IT AS PART OF YOUR PRACTICE. IS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR AN OFFICER TO LEAVE AND ARRESTED OR ARRESTED ON THE GROUND AND REST HIS FOOT ON THE ARRESTED PERSONS BACK I'M SORRY TO SAY AGAIN. SO IF I ARREST SOMEONE AND LAY THEM ON THE GROUND IS IT OKAY FOR ME TO PUT MY FOOT ON THEM AND JUST REST MY FOOT ON THAT PERSON. THERE'S NOTHING EXPLICIT IN POLICY. OK SO THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. WELL THERE'S SOMETHING A POLICY THAT PROHIBITS IT. IT'S A CASE BY CASE. AND THEN IN GENERAL IS AN OMISSION OF FACTS ON A POLICE REPORT. IS THAT CONSIDERED A LIE. I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THAT. I WOULD NEED AN EXAMPLE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. SO IF I IF I'M SLAMMING A KID'S HEAD ON THE GROUND AND DON'T INCLUDE THAT IN THE POLICE REPORT IS THAT AN OMISSION OF FACTS. IF THE ACTIONS ARE EXPLAINED IN ANOTHER MANNER I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE. DEPENDS ON HOW THE DEPUTY ARTICULATED HIS ACTIONS. IS IT A CRIME TO PICK UP A CELL PHONE. IS IT A CRIME TO PICK UP A CELL PHONE. IS IT A CRIME TO PICK UP A CELL PHONE. IF IT DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU IT CAN BE AND WHAT WOULD BE THE CHARGE FOR THAT. AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BLADE YOUR BODY. 
          IF SOMEONE'S BLEEDING THEIR BODY WAS THAT I WOULD MONITOR. I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS TAKING A STANCE WHERE A COMBATIVE STANCE FIGHTING STANCE. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF REASSIGNING POLICE OFFICERS TO ANOTHER CITY SO IF WE WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH A POLICE OFFICER WE'LL BE THE PROCESS TO GET THEM REMOVED FROM TAMARACK AND ASSIGNED SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE'D WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE SHERIFF COLONELS AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIRECTOR AND THEN WHAT ASSURANCES CAN YOU PROVIDE THIS COMMISSION AND THE RESIDENTS THAT OUR RESIDENTS WOULD NOT BE TREATED UNFAIRLY. I GUESS IN THEIR VIEW BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET THAT THEIR BEHAVIOR WAS UNACCEPTABLE. WHAT ASSURANCES CAN YOU GIVE OUR RESIDENTS THAT THEY'LL BE TREATED FAIRLY IF THEY HAVE AN ENCOUNTER WITH POLICE OFFICERS. I THINK WE WOULD GO WITH OUR RECORD OF LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE IN THE CITY FOR 30 YEARS. JUST LAST YEAR WE HAD THIRTY NINE THOUSAND PLUS CALLS FOR SERVICE. IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT YEAR TO YEAR SOME YEARS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. FORTY FORTY ONE THOUSAND BUT RIGHT AROUND FORTY THOUSAND A YEAR WITH A POPULATION OF SIXTY FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE AND ONE HUNDRED ONE HUNDRED TWO TOTAL PERSONNEL NEXT DOOR. I MEAN I THINK YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE RECORD OF COMPLAINTS AND SAY THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A A A LARGE AMOUNT OF WHAT YOU WOULD CALL ABUSE OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I THINK THE RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. I AGREE WITH THE MOST IN HISTORY. OK I READ SOME REPORTS ABOUT THE PERSON WANTED FOR MURDER IN EL SALVADOR IT WAS FOUND IN TAMARACK. WAS HE PUNCHED OR KICKED OR STEPPED ON YOU GUYS. NO I I ACTUALLY RESPOND TO THE SCENE AFTER THE ARREST WAS MADE. AS FAR AS I KNOW HE WAS PULLED OVER. HE STARTED TO RESIST WHEN YOU WERE PLACING HIM IN THE CAR. BUT THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT. I BELIEVE IT WAS CUFFED AT THE TIME SO NO HE WAS NOT PUNCHED KICKED OR. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. 
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THANK YOU. MR GO ON SAYING THAT NONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE KNOW YOU ARE LOOKING INTO US AND YOU WILL BE EXPEDITIOUS SINCE YOU SAID TRANSPARENT AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. MY COLLEAGUES AND I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING MANY PHONE CALLS AND WE'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND I AM AWARE THAT THERE ARE REQUESTS FOR MEETINGS FROM THEM AND FROM MYSELF AS WELL SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN THE SUNSHINE WITH MY COLLEAGUES TO BRING FORTH WHAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED THEIR REQUEST THAT THEY RECEIVE SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE MOVE FORWARD AS A UNIFIED COMMISSION. MR. FISHMAN. YES I HAVE HAD REQUESTS OR MEETINGS AS A MATTER OF FACT IN THE AUDIENCE ITSELF OR THIS MORNING AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE T.J. 
          REDDICK BAR ASSOCIATION. I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF ANY MEETINGS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. UM I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE'S VOICES ARE HEARD. MICHIGAN BASICALLY I KNOW THAT THE MINIMAL QUEST FOR MEETINGS AND I HAVEN'T MADE REQUESTS A MEANS OF EMAILED ME. I'VE BEEN MAKING REQUESTS FOR MEETINGS. I'VE SPOKEN WITH MAYOR BOGAN SUPERINTENDENT RON C COMMISSIONER ALHADEFF COMMISSIONER U 9 AND THE PRINCIPAL OF SCHOOL. AND SO KNOWING THAT WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO I RECEIVE THE SAME REQUEST TO WORK WITH C.J. REDDICK FOUNDATION OF THE PLEASURE. SO WHAT WE CAN GO OUT AND WE GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY WE GOT UNIFIED REQUESTED AND MADE OF YOU THE ONLY REQUEST THAT WAS MADE OF ME WITH THE SAME EMAIL. I THINK THAT WE ALL RECEIVED AND THERE WERE SOME THAT WE WERE ALL COPY. THERE WERE OTHERS THAT MAYBE I GOT A COUPLE WHERE I WAS TALKING TO ME. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS WERE BLIND COPIED ON IT BUT PEOPLE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT ACTUALLY WE WANT TO TAKE. AND I DON'T REALLY THINK WE HAVE MUCH CONTROL OR ANY ACTION TO TAKE. I DID SPEAK WITH THE SHERIFF ON SATURDAY. THERE WAS A PRE SCHEDULED MEETING WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE VARIOUS BLACK ELECTED OFFICIALS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. AND SO THIS TOPIC JUST HAPPENED TO COME UP. OBVIOUSLY DUE TO THE TIMING. SO DURING THAT MEETING YOU KNOW I ASKED THE SHERIFF TO COME TO OUR COMMISSION MEETING ON WEDNESDAY OR SEND ANY HIGH LEVEL ADMINISTRATOR EXECUTIVE FROM HIS OFFICE. 
          AND HE FELT THAT THIS WAS SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT HE WOULD NEED TO BE HERE HIMSELF. SO AS OF SATURDAY HE SAID HE INTENDS ON ON SHOWING UP SATURDAY I'M SORRY WEDNESDAY BETWEEN 9:00 AND 10:00. OTHER THAN THAT I'M JUST THINKING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING WITH THE STUDENTS TO HEAR THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY PERHAPS AT THE SCHOOL. I REQUESTED THE PRINCIPAL'S PHONE NUMBER BUT I HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO HER AS OF YET. I ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE ATTORNEY FOR THE VICTIM LUKA. I DON'T KNOW HIS FULL NAME AND REQUESTED TO SPEAK TO HIM AND TO HIS MOTHER BUT I HAVE EARLY GOTTEN ANY PARTICULAR REQUESTS EXCEPT THE SAME EMAILS THAT I BELIEVE WE ARE RECEIVED WHERE YOU KNOW THEY WANT THEY WANT SOME ACTION. THANK YOU AND ACTUALLY I JUST SPEAK WITH SHERIFF TONY ON ON SATURDAY AS WELL AND I'M INVITING HIM EITHER TO THIS MEETING OR TO DO ON WEDNESDAYS AND YES HE WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE AND I'M GLAD THAT HE IS. AND I'LL GO TO VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. WE ALL DID RECEIVE THE SAME EMAIL FROM T.J. REDDICK. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT NOW THAT WE AS A COLLECTIVE BODY REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO SHOW THEM THAT WE ARE CONCERNED. WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERY ASPECT AND WE ARE HERE TO HELP AND WE'RE HERE TO HEAL. WE NEED TO WE NEED TO HEAL THIS. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS A COLLECTIVE BODY I'M SURE WE WILL ALL BE AMENABLE TO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BOLTON. YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT. I MEAN I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY MY COLLEAGUES. I MEAN EVERYBODY GOT THE. WELL AT LEAST I KNOW THAT I GOT THE E-MAIL 
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FROM CHRIS HONDROS AT T.D. RADIC. MY SON FORWARDED THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY SUPPORT THAT HE CAN GIVE. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT MEETING GO FORWARD MAYBE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN NOW FACILITATE THEM. YOU KNOW OTHER THAN THAT I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO DISPLAY SOUND AND VISIBLE LEADERSHIP. I THINK EACH OF US HAS BEEN SPEAKING OUT ON WHAT HAPPENED AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT WE NEED TO HAVE A UNIFIED VOICE GOING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH COLLEAGUES. ACTUALLY I HAVE A MEETING WITH THE PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL THIS AFTERNOON. LATER THIS EVENING ACTUALLY AND I WILL FILL EVERYBODY IN ON THAT CONVERSATION AFTER IT IS DONE AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE WILL PLAN AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING WITH THE TEACHER REC FOUNDATION THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE. I DO THINK ALONG WITH OUR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER AND THE SUPERINTENDENT WE DO NEED TO HEAR FROM THE STUDENTS AS WELL AND KNOWING WHAT OTHER AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMMING AND WHATEVER WE CAN TRY TO DO TO HELP SO NOT HAVE THIS HAPPEN AGAIN IN OUR CITY. IT IS A PROPERTY THAT IS IN OUR CITY. IT IS NOT A CITY CONTROLLED PROPERTY IS A PROPERTY. WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THE PAST. SO WHAT WE CAN TRY TO DO TO MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN ON THAT FRONT WHICH IS WITHIN MORE OF OUR PURVIEW THAN THAT WHICH IS IN THE PURVIEW OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO WE WILL WORK TOGETHER AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT SOMETHING. SO I WILL NOW AS SAM DID THE RECORD IF I CAN AMERICAN MISSIONARIES CHRIS SAUNDERS IS HERE. HE'S NOT JUST A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE T.J. REDDICK HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION AND HE'S DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH MANY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT THINGS AND FOR THE RECORD I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE HIM FOR ALL OF US THIS MORNING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I WAS ABOUT TO GET THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WON'T TAKE MUCH TIME. I KNOW. THANK YOU. THAT AMERICAN MISSIONARY NORTH PLEASE JOIN US. 
          AND IF YOU ADD YOUR NAME AND COMPANY FOR THE RECORD ORGANIZATION GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CHRIS SAUNDERS I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE TEACHER ASSOCIATION. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE RECEPTIVENESS THAT THE BAR ASSOCIATION HAS RECEIVED FROM ALL OF YOU. IT WAS NOT JUST ME THAT REACHED OUT. THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION INCLUDING A PAST PRESIDENT WHO IS A RESIDENT OF TAMPA WHO'S REACHED OUT TO SOME OF YOU. AND THE ONLY THING THAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY RESPONSIVE TO THEIR CONCERNS TO COMMISSIONER GARLAND'S POINT. I I DO APPRECIATE THAT THERE IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED WITH REGARDS TO THE SPECIFIC ONGOING ACTIVITY AT THAT LOCATION. BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE HERE AND IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE INEVITABLE IS A DISCUSSION OF THE BROADER ISSUES OF COMMUNITY AND POLICE RELATIONS WHICH I THINK WE WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN FRATERNITIES AND SORORITIES THAT ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN HELPING SUPPORT THE CITY AND FACILITATING THIS DISCUSSION. SO WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HELP SHAPE THE AGENDA AND THE SCOPE OF THAT MEETING. BUT WE WE UNDERSTAND THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IS THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS. SO WE'RE MINDFUL OF THAT AND WE WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU AND WE WILL ASK THAT COORDINATION GO THROUGH OUR CITY MANAGER WHICH WILL REACH OUT TO ALL OF US SO WE CAN HAVE THIS AS NOT FIVE OF US INUNDATING YOU WOULD LIKE ORGANIZATION HERE. WE WILL GET SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. I SHOULD GO ON HAS ANOTHER COMMENT. SO BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GETTING SUCH A HUGE DEMAND FOR ANSWERS AND RESULTS AND QUICK ACTION WHICH WE'RE LIMITED TO BECAUSE OF THIS FORMAL PROCESS THAT MUST HAPPEN INTERNALLY. I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST DO SOMETHING AND MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST THAT THE THREE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION BE REMOVED FROM WORKING IN THE CITY OF TAMARACK THAT WE PROVIDE AT LEAST SOME KIND OF SOLUTION AT LEAST UNTIL AFTER THIS 90 DAY PERIOD WHILE THIS INVESTIGATION IS OCCURRING SO I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THAT AS A FORMAL REQUEST WHETHER WE ALL AGREE OR WHETHER I JUST SUBMIT THAT ON MY OWN. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'LL GIVE SOME LEVEL OF SATISFACTION TO THE RESIDENTS. ALSO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S TWO OR THREE YEARS LEFT IN THE CONTRACT BETWEEN VSO AND THE CITY OF TAMARACK. WITH THAT IN MIND WE SHOULD EXPLORE HAVING OUR OWN POLICE FOR THE CITY THE CITY OF COCONUT CREEK CITY A LOT OF HILL BOTH SIMILAR IN SIZE TO THE CITY OF TAMARACK THEY HAVE THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EXPLORE AS WELL THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. GO ON SAYING THAT THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS ON THE FLOOR. WE WILL MOVE THIS NOW TO ITEM NUMBER ONE 
          [1. Discussion on the State of Affordable Housing in Florida and Request of Support for Full Appropriation of the Sadowski Trust Funds Solely for Florida’s Housing Programs.]
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DISCUSSION ON THE STATE OF PORTABLE HOUSING IN FLORIDA AND REQUEST FOR SUPPORT FOR FULL APPROPRIATION OF THIS DUSKY TRUST FUND SOLELY FOR FLORIDA HOUSING PROGRAMS. WOULD YOU PLEASE JOIN US. BARBARA YOU WITH DIRECTOR OF MARKETING AND DEVELOPMENT AND HABITAT FOR YOU MATT THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS BARBARA WITTY AND I AM THE DIRECTOR OF MARKETING AT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF BROWARD. SO I WANT TO THANK MAYOR GOMEZ SO MUCH FOR INVITING US TO JOIN YOU HERE TODAY. VICE MAYOR FLACCO MR. BOLTON YELLEN AND FISHERMEN. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC TO ALL OF US. AND I DO HAVE A POWERPOINT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT BUT I KNOW THAT. OK. OK. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY. BUT IT HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE SO FLORIDA IS FLORIDA IS FACED WITH A REAL HOUSING CRISIS. WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF RECRUITING BUSINESSES TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. BUT NOT SUCH A GREAT JOB HOUSING ALL OF THE SERVICE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE BUSINESSES. SO WE KNOW THAT NINE HUNDRED AND ELEVEN THOUSAND OF OUR RESIDENTS CANNOT AFFORD HOUSING. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOW INCOME HOUSE HOUSING HERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE EARNING I THINK THAT'S INTENDED TO BE LESS THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE. AM I IN FLORIDA AND THEY'RE USING MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING. FLORIDA HAS A LARGE HOMELESS POPULATION AND BROWARD COUNTY HAS THE HIGHEST POPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EARNING BELOW 80 PERCENT OF THE AREA MEETING INCOME AND SPENDING 75 PERCENT OR MORE OF THEIR GROSS INCOME ON HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION AREA MEDIAN INCOME IN BROWARD IS RIGHT AROUND SIXTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO THESE ARE FAMILIES THAT ARE EARNING FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS IF THEY ARE AT 80 PERCENT IF THEY'RE EARNING LESS THAN THAT THEN THEY'RE SPENDING SET THE HIGHEST NUMBER IN BROWARD SPENDS 75 PERCENT OF THEIR GROSS INCOME ON HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION TRANSPORTATION IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MOVE FARTHER FARTHER AWAY FROM THE CENTER OF THE CITY IN ORDER TO AFFORD HOUSING WHICH INCREASES YOUR TRANSPORTATION COSTS. AND AND WE'RE GIVING YOU A LOT OF STATS HERE SO YOU HAVE PLENTY OF AMMUNITION AS YOU HELP US ADVOCATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY. THIS SHOWS YOU THE NUMBER OF COST BURDEN RENTER HOUSEHOLDS IN BROWARD COUNTY AND WHEN WE SAY COST BURDENED THAT MEANS THAT FOLKS ARE EARNING 30 PERCENT. 
          I'M SORRY THAT PEOPLE ARE SPENDING 30 PERCENT MORE THAN 30 PERCENT OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING. SO IF YOU'RE SPENDING MORE THAN 30 PERCENT OF YOUR TAKE HOME PAY ON HOUSING YOU ARE CONSIDERED COST BURDENED SEVERELY COST BURDEN IS WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING 50 PERCENT OR MORE OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME ON HOUSING. WE ALSO KNOW THAT ONLY TWELVE POINT SIX PERCENT OF THE HOUSEHOLDS IN BROWARD COUNTY CAN AFFORD THE MEDIAN SINGLE HOME. THE MEDIAN PRICED SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE WORKERS IN BROWARD COUNTY CANNOT EVEN AFFORD THE RENTS IN BROWARD COUNTY. THE AFFORDABLE RENT IS ONE THOUSAND THIRTY EIGHT THE MEDIAN RENT IS NINETEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS IN BROWARD COUNTY SO LONG. THIS IS NOT A NEW PHENOMENON. THEY SAY DEDICATED DOCTOR STAMPS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM MANY YEARS AGO. NINETEEN NINETY TWO THEY CREATED A DEDICATED SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THIS WAS DONE THROUGH PRIVATE SECTOR MONEY. THEY ADDED THE DOC STAMP OF 10 PERCENT 10 CENTS TO A DOC STAMP THAT ALREADY EXISTED AND THAT GOES INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHICH IS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE SADOWSKI FUND. THAT FUND SUPPORTS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT INITIATIVES IT SUPPORTS WHAT WE CALL THE STATE HOUSING INITIATIVES PARTNERSHIP WHICH YOU HEAR THE ACRONYM SCHIP USED A LOT. IT ALSO REPORTS A PROGRAM CALLED SALE FOR APARTMENTS AND THEN A NUMBER OF OTHER PROGRAMS PRIMARILY FUNDED BY THIS DIRECTLY BY THE STATE NOT FUNNELED SO MUCH THROUGH THE MUNICIPALITIES SHIPPED DOES PROVIDE FUNDING TO REHABILITATE HOMES TO RESTORE THE MASSIVE DAMAGE TO RETROFIT HOMES FOR OUR AGING POPULATION WHICH IS GROWING IN BROWARD COUNTY AND TO ASSIST WITH SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING. IT ALSO PROVIDES DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE FOR OUR LOW INCOME FAMILIES. THOSE FAMILIES CAN SIMPLY NOT QUALIFY FOR A MORTGAGE. AND IT PROMOTES THE SALE PROGRAM WHICH IS PROGRAMS FOR AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS SO THIS IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS FIVE POINT NINE SIX BILLION DOLLARS FROM THE 
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STOCK STAMPS HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE SADOWSKI FUND OVER TWO BILLION HAS BEEN SWEPT OUT OF THAT FUND FOR GENERAL REVENUE BY THE STATE. THESE ARE NOT SPECIFIED THEY ARE JUST TAKEN OUT RIGHT OFF THE TOP AND NOT ALLOCATED TO THE CITIES. SINCE 2010 WE ESTIMATE 88 MILLION IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT BROWARD PAID INTO THIS DYLESKI FUND AND WHAT IT HAS RECEIVED JUST LAST YEAR. THE ALLOCATION WAS MORE THAN 20 MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT'S BASED ON WHAT WE'RE PAYING IN DOG STAMPS TO THE STATE MORE THAN 20 MILLION DOLLARS. AND WE RECEIVED JUST A LITTLE OVER TWO MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT IS JUST IN ONE YEAR AND ALL OF THIS HAPPENS. THIS IS HAPPENING WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT SO THE MONEY IS SWEPT FOR OTHER PURPOSES BUT NOT TO COVER THE BOTTOM LINE. CONGRESSMAN LAMARCK DID A NICE JOB OF SUMMARIZING THIS AND I WON'T GO THROUGH I IF YOU'D LIKE TO I CAN SHARE IT WITH YOU. THE FIRST LINE STATE HOUSING TRUST FUND THOSE ARE DOLLARS THAT THE STATE CONTROLS. THE SECOND ONE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHIP FUNDS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO THE MUNICIPALITIES AND YOU CAN SEE BROWARD COUNTY THEN BELOW. SO THAT'S ACROSS THE STATE IN THE FIRST SECTION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT DISTRICT 93 IN THE SECOND SESSION SECTION YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM 2019 2020 BROWARD COUNTY SHOULD GET 22 ALMOST 23 MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT CAN HAVE A TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC IMPACT OF ALMOST A THOUSAND HOMES. TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE HOUSED 2000 JOBS. IT'S SHOWING YOU AT THE BOTTOM WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR AGAIN OVER 20 MILLION DOLLARS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TO BROWARD. WE RECEIVED A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION SO THESE ARE THE BUDGETS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE. FIRST OF ALL THE GOVERNOR SUBMITTED A VERY GENEROUS BUDGET VERY SUPPORTIVE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE ALL OF THE MONEY IS DIRECTED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE SENATE PRESENTED A BUDGET THAT IS IS ALSO DEDICATED TO ALL OF THE MONEY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT IS SHOWING SOME MONEY GOING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE AREAS THAT WERE RAVAGED BY HURRICANE MICHAEL IN THE PANHANDLE. THE HOUSE BUDGET HAS SWEPT 60 PERCENT OF THE MONEY OUT OF SADDAM SKI AND IT'S IN THE SWEEPING TRADITION OF SADOWSKI FUNDS AND IT HAS LEFT 40 PERCENT OF THE FUNDING ONLY FOR THE PANHANDLE. SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS HOUSE BUDGET IS THAT THE PANHANDLE GETS A PORTION OF THE MONEY THE REST OF THE MONEY IS SWEPT OUT BROWARD COUNTY AND ALL OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES WITHIN THE STATE THAT ARE NOT IN THAT AREA AFFECTED BY THE HURRICANE. THEY GET ZERO SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITY'S TAMARACK. WE KNOW IT'S SLATED FOR SEVEN HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS IF FULLY FUNDED IN 1920 20 20 SO THAT IS THE MONEY THAT YOU WILL LOSE IF THAT WE WERE ALL IS REALLY IF IF THE HOUSE BUDGET PASSES. SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING WE'RE ASKING THE CITIES TO OBVIOUSLY THANK GOVERNORS TO SANTOS TO SANTOS HAS PRESENTED A VERY SUPPORTIVE BUDGET FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE MEMBERS OF THE SENATE HAVE PRESENTED A VERY SUPPORTIVE BUDGET FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SWEEPING NO DOLLARS. AND OUR BROAD DELEGATION. THE FOLKS THAT WE'VE ELECTED TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE THEY HAVE ALL ENDORSED PRESERVING THE SADOWSKI FUNDS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO IMPLORE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO TALK WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE TO SEE IF THEY CAN PERHAPS SWAY THEIR OPINIONS AND SWAY THEIR VOTE. WE THINK THAT MANY MEMBERS OF THE FLORIDA HOUSE DO NOT EVEN REALIZE THAT THEIR OWN DISTRICTS WILL SUFFER BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A SMALL AREA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SERVING. THAT THERE WILL BE LOSSES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AND THE MESSAGE IS WE ACTUALLY INCLUDED A FLYER HERE WHICH I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT BECAUSE IT'S THE SADOWSKI COALITION IS A GROUP OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING USING THE SADOWSKI FUNDS AND THEY PREPARED THIS WONDERFUL ADVOCACY PIECE. AND IT BASICALLY TELLS YOU WHAT I'M TELLING YOU WHICH IS TO ENCOURAGE OUR LEGISLATORS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND TO NOT SACRIFICE THEIR OWN COUNTIES AND CITIES. THESE ARE THE OFFICIALS THAT ARE MENTIONED IN THE FLYER YOU CAN ALSO CONTACT YOU KNOW AGAIN IT IS ALWAYS HELPFUL TO CONTACT THE GOVERNOR AND THE SENATE TOURS AND THE BROWARD LEGISLATORS WHO HAVE BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO STAND THEIR GROUND. THEY REALLY 
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HAVE TO HOLD THEIR GROUND IN THE FACE OF THESE ARGUMENTS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH AN ARMED WITH THESE STATISTICS AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THIS CHATZKY FUND. WE JUST NEED TO STRENGTHEN THEIR POSITION AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE BUDGET DOES NOT PASS. LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE CITY OF TAMARA 77000 VERSUS 0 SO I WANTED TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR TAKING THIS ISSUE UP. IT IS SO CRITICAL TO ALL OF US HERE IN BROWARD COUNTY BECAUSE WE HAVE A HUGE SERVICE POPULATION IN BROWARD COUNTY. WE HAVE TEACHERS WE HAVE HEALTH CARE WORKERS. WE HAVE SCHOOL BUS DRIVERS. WE HAVE GROCERY CLERKS ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE HURT SERIOUSLY AND IN ADDITION TO OUR AGING POPULATION WHERE WE WILL NOT HAVE FUNDS TO RETROFIT THEIR HOMES AND TO FIX THEIR HOMES AND ALSO OUR SPECIAL NEEDS POPULATION. SO THIS IS A WONDERFUL STEP THAT YOU'RE TAKING TODAY. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT. I WANT TO ALSO THANK THE STAFF AND ALSO MAXINE FOR LETTING US TALK WITH YOU AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'M GOING TO PUT A DISCLOSURE ON THE RECORD. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. SO THIS IS A NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AND ALSO I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE FOR BROWARD COUNTY WHERE WE DISCUSS SOME OF THE ISSUES AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATIVES TO SADOWSKI FUNDS BUT WE'RE ONLY DO SO MUCH BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH BROWARD AND I'M GOING TO JUST JUMP IN HERE BEFORE I TURN OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES FIRST. IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE OUR SISTER HABITAT FOR HUMANITY'S ACROSS OUR STATE PROVIDE WITH SOME BULLET POINTS THAT WILL HELP US IF WE REACH OUT TO THOSE HOUSE MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT LOCAL BECAUSE AS WE KNOW OUR LOCAL TEAM IS GREAT BUT WHEN WE REACH OUT TO OUR NORTHERN OR OTHER CITIES THEY WANT TO KNOW AS YOU SAY THEY DON'T MAY NOT REALIZE HOW IT AFFECTS THEM. SO IF YOU WOULD IF YOU HAVE SOME STUFF BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO IN A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE. YES. HELP US WITH SOME OF THAT AND WE CAN GET OUT FOR THOSE OF US IN THE COMMISSION AND PROBABLY ALL OF US BUT AT LEAST ATTACK IN NUMBERS SO TO SPEAK. OK. WITH SOME STRONG POINTS TO THOSE THOSE REPRESENTATIVES AND THEN I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER. ONE THING. SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE. I KNOW FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF HABITAT. MY PLEASURE. AND ONE OTHER LAST ITEM IS IF WE CAN. I BELIEVE WE HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          BUT IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND I WILL ASK FOR IT TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO OUR COMMISSION TO HAVE AS A WHOLE AS WELL. YES. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU THAT THERE IS A SADOWSKI COALITION WEB SITE WHICH HAS AMAZING STATS AND GRAPHICS AND SO IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ARE LOOKING FOR THE LATEST ON WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE QUICKLY. IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT IDEA TO REFERENCE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND NOT AT THE HOUSE JUST YET. COMMISSIONER FISHMAN AND I KNOW THAT VICE MAYOR BLACK. 
          SO GIVE US A FEW MOMENTS PLEASE. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION BUT I WILL PREFACE BY SAYING I'M NOT THE GREATEST MATHEMATICIAN. HOWEVER JUST LOOKING AT FIGURES IF PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY AT A LIVING WAGE OF FIFTEEN DOLLARS AND 40 HOURS THAT'S SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS A WEEK. TWENTY FOUR HUNDRED PER MONTH IN TAMARACK A TWO TO APARTMENT GOES FOR FOURTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS. WHERE ARE THEY PLAYING THEIR FOOD PAYING FOR THEIR ELECTRIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT NUMBERS LIKE THAT THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY HITS HOME AND WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT THE TRUST FUND IS USED FOR WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR I'VE BEEN IN TALLAHASSEE WHEN THEY BECAME IT BECAME A HABIT FOR THEM TO SWEEP THE TRUST FUND DURING WHEN WE DID HAVE A DEFICIT IN OUR BUDGET. WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT DEFICIT. THERE IS NO REASON TO NOT USE THOSE FUNDS OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS IT WAS CREATED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISHMAN VICE MAYOR GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW ARE THESE NUMBERS FOR THE SHIP ALLOCATION. HOW DID THEY DETERMINE THE NUMBER THAT TAMARACK IS. SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SEVEN THOUSAND AND CHANGE. HOW IS THAT DETERMINED AS OPPOSED TO OTHER CITIES. IT IS IT IS BASED ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE OF THE DOCKS. WHAT WAS CREATED AND SO THEY ARE BASED ON HOW MUCH YOU'RE PAYING INTO THE SADOWSKI FUND. SO WHATEVER THE DOC STAMP REVENUE IS FROM THIS CITY IS GOING TO AFFECT YOUR ALLOCATION NOW SOME OF IT IS GOING TO THE STATE AS WELL. IT'S 
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STATUTORY THOUGH THE AMOUNT IS NOT BUYING AND SELLING HOMES. MICHIGAN HAS A QUESTION I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'LL SUPPORT THIS AND SEND AN EMAIL TO THE SENATOR. HOWEVER AT LEAST FOR ME MY HOUSE REP JUST FLORIDA HOUSE REP OR STATE OR FEDERAL. THOSE ARE THE THOSE OF THE STATE. YEAH I THINK DAN DALY IS IS MY ROOM AND HE'S NOT OFFICIALLY IN OFFICE. SO SHOULD WE JUST SEND IT TO ALL THE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVES. WELL YOU CAN SEND IT TO ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES AND I THINK THAT THE MORE YOU CAN REACH TO PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW WELL BECAUSE AGAIN WE'RE REALLY TALKING. MANY OF THEM ARE IN FAVOR OF THE PEOPLE TOO. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS WE'RE JUST TRYING TO STRENGTHEN THEM AND THANK THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T THAT THEIR VOICE CARRIES. SO I THINK THAT FOR BROWARD COUNTY WE'RE IN THE POSITION WHERE EVERYONE AGREES THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT VOICE CARRIES OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND BASICALLY BRING YOUR FORTH TO SOME OF OUR THE NORTHERN PART OF THE STATE MIDDLE PART OF THE STATE AND ACTUALLY THE NON BROWARD AREA. BASICALLY EVERYONE BUT US BECAUSE WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT AND JUST TRIED TO ENCOURAGE SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE STATE. THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE'LL NOW MOVE ALONG TO NUMBER TWO HUMAN TRAFFICKING DISCUSSION 
          [2. Human Trafficking Discussion]
AND MADAM MAYOR. AS THE SPEAKER APPROACHES THE TABLE ON THE BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE. ALLOW THE RECORD TO REFLECT THAT THE PERSON'S IDENTITY AND HIS BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE WILL NOT BE TOTALLY DISCLOSED ON THE RECORD. PROTECT THOSE AFFECTED BY HIS ROLE AND RELATIONSHIP WITH THE US OF HIS OR HER ROLE HIS OR HER ROLE. I USE IT AS A GENDER NEUTRAL DISCUSSION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO IS COMING TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS MORNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE. AND WHERE THAT THE CAMERA IS AND SAM WILL YOU. THE AUDIO OF THE AUDIO WILL CONTINUE THE MEETING IS A PUBLIC MEETING JUST THAT THE CAMERA WILL NOT SHOW THE FACE OF THE SPEAKER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MORNING AGAIN. NOW HERE VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS. I'M JUST GONNA TO A QUICK INTRODUCTION. THIS IS ONE OF OUR DETECTIVES FROM THE ICAC UNIT THE CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN AND HE'S ALSO AN EXPERT IN THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND HE COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. YES HE STARTED A CASE THAT ORIGINATED HERE IN TAMARACK WITH ONE OF THE MASSAGE PARLORS THAT TURNED INTO A HUMAN TRAFFICKING CASES AS A POINT OF INTEREST. THANK YOU. I'LL GIVE YOU A THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE CAMERAS ARE OFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND YOU ARE NOT BEING USED. THE AUDIO IS ON BUT THE VIDEO IS NOT AND YOUR NAME WILL NOT BE DISCLOSED AS A MATTER OF RECORD GIVEN TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND THOSE AFFECTED BY YOUR ROLE AND RELATIONSHIP WITH VSO AND OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU WHEN YOU'RE READY SO I WAS INVITED TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF THE CITY OF TAMARACK. I'VE SPENT SOME TIME WITH THE CITY OF TAMARACK BOTH ON PATROL AND ACTUALLY ASSIGNED TO BOTH CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND CRIME SUPPRESSION TEAM OVER THE YEARS. I FIND IT A GREAT CITY TO BE IN. IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED IN BROWARD WHICH KIND OF IS A POSITIVE THING AND A NEGATIVE THING. AS THE CAPTAIN SAID I CURRENTLY WORK WITH OUR INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN PRIMARILY THROUGH HUMAN TRAFFICKING. RIGHT NOW MY FOCUS IS ON JUVENILES. I CAN TELL YOU FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE AT LEAST WORKING IN THIS VIOLATION THAT IT IS AN UP UNTIL THE POINT WHERE I ACTUALLY STARTED THESE INVESTIGATIONS. I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE NOT HERE NOT IN SOUTH FLORIDA. UNFORTUNATELY IT IS HERE. I CAN TELL YOU ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS JUST ON THE COMMERCIAL AND 441 CORRIDORS THERE'S THREE HOTELS RIGHT IN THAT INTERSECTION THAT BOTH ARE ON THE TAMARACK SIDE AND BOTH ON THE FORT LAUDERDALE SIDE AND I HAVE RECOVERED JUVENILES ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS AT THE HOTELS ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN COMMERCIAL SEX ACTS IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY. THEY WERE ACTUALLY BEING TRAFFICKED OUT OF THOSE HOTELS NOT SO MUCH A STRIKE AGAINST THOSE HOTELS I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A COMBINATION OF MAYBE BECAUSE OF A PRICE POINT THOSE HOTELS ARE ABLE TO HELP AND BECAUSE THE CITY OF TAMARA KEITH CENTRALLY LOCATED IN BROWARD MAKING IT EASIER FOR PROSPECTIVE JOHNS TO COME INTO THE CITY. I THINK IT WAS A COMBINATION OF BOTH. BUT YOU KNOW ONCE AGAIN IT'S KIND OF THOSE HIT YOU IN THE GUT TYPE OF REALITY CHECK THAT IT'S NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. AS A CAPTAIN AS THE CAPTAIN MENTIONED ALSO OVER THE YEARS I HAVE 
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CONDUCTED INVESTIGATIONS INTO MASSAGE PARLORS. THAT'S THAT BEING SAID IT SEEMS LIKE IT SPANS ALMOST LIKE A CULTURAL DIVIDE. THERE'S BOTH. YOU'LL SEE THE CHINESE MASSAGE PARLORS. YOU'LL ALSO SEE KIND OF LIKE A SPIN OFF OF WHAT'S CALLED LIKE A BODY RUB OR A SPA WHERE IT SEEMS PRIMARILY THE EMPLOYEES ARE LATINOS OR YOU KNOW REGULAR QUOTE UNQUOTE AMERICANS. I THINK THE LONG HELD THEORY THAT THERE'S THIS HUGE OVERWHELMING WELL ORGANIZED CRIME FIGURE THAT'S PULLING THE STRINGS FROM BEHIND AT LEAST ON THE CHINESE MASSAGE PARLOR ASPECT. IT MAY BE THERE IN SOME OF THE CASES. I CAN TELL YOU. COUNTYWIDE AT LEAST IN THE INVESTIGATION THAT I BEGAN IN THE CITY OF TAMARACK THAT I AM ALSO STILL ACTIVELY CONDUCTING WITH FDLE THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF HOMELAND SECURITY. I MEAN WE HAVE A NUMBER FBI WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FEDERAL AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT ARE ASSISTING US IN THIS IN THIS ENDEAVOR. IT SEEMS MORE OR LESS THAT IT'S A PLATFORM FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD ALMOST LIKE A STRIP CLUB. SO YOU HAVE A STANDARD BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENT YOU HAVE QUOTE UNQUOTE ENTERTAINERS COMING IN AT LEAST WITH A STRIP CLUB YOU CAN'T SAY THAT 100 PERCENT OF THE GIRLS THERE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL SEX ACT ALTHOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE. THAT BEING SAID A LOT OF TIMES MANAGEMENT KIND OF CASTS A BLIND EYE IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE GIRLS SOME OF THE ENTERTAINERS THAT ARE EMPLOYED THERE ARE SOME OF THEM ARE UNDER THE CONTROL OF A TRAFFICKER OF A PIMP WE'RE SEEING THAT AT SOME OF THESE THE LATIN AS FAR AS WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THE CHINESE MASSAGE PARLORS WHERE IT MAY NOT BE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE OWNER OF THE ESTABLISHMENT THAT'S ACTUALLY PULLING THE STRINGS BUT IT'S ALL AND ALMOST ACTS LIKE A PLATFORM WHERE THESE GIRLS WILL BE EXPLOITED FOR THEIR MONEY IN RETURN GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH THE LATINA PLACES. WHEN WE ACTUALLY ASKED SOME OF THE GIRLS THAT WERE WORKING IN THE LATINO PLACES WHY THEY WERE NOT ACTIVELY WORKING IN THESE PLACES THEY SAID AS A MEASURE OF SAFETY FOR THEM BECAUSE WHERE IF THEY HAD THESE QUOTE UNQUOTE GATES AT A HOTEL OR THESE QUOTE UNQUOTE DATA THEIR RESIDENTS IF THE JOHN DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO TAKE THEIR MONEY OR HE WANTED TO BEAT THEM UP OR THE SERVICE WASN'T UP TO PAR THERE WAS THAT THREAT OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE THERE SEEMED TO BE LESS OF THAT THREAT WHERE THEY FELT LESS OF A THREAT IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN A BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENT WHERE THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF CAMERA THERE'S A BUSINESS IT'S OPEN FROM 9:00 TO 5:00 OR WHATEVER THE BUSINESS SAYS. SO THERE'S THAT KIND OF SAFETY NET OF QUOTE UNQUOTE SAFETY. DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT BEING TRAFFICKED NOW. 
          SOME OF THEM LEGITIMATELY ARE BUT ACTUALLY GETTING THEM TO SPEAK TO US AND OPENLY SAYING THAT YES I'M BEING CONTROLLED BY THIS TRAFFICKER OR THAT TRAFFICKER WAS DIFFICULT THAT OBSTACLE WAS DIFFICULT TO OVERCOME. THE CHINESE MASSAGE PARLORS ARE IT'S HEAVILY NUANCED. I MEAN WE'RE LOOKING AT OBSTACLES THAT ARE CULTURAL THAT THE I'VE I'VE BEEN ON A NUMBER. I MEAN I'VE INTERVIEWED DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF CHINESE FEMALES. IT SEEMS THE MAJORITY OF THEM I WOULD SAY 99 PERCENT OF THEM ARE EITHER COMING FROM THE THE NEW YORK AREA OR THE GREATER LOS ANGELES AREA AND IN NEW YORK IT'S IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE'S COMING OUT OF FLUSHING NEW YORK. PREVIOUSLY WE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE BEING SMUGGLED INTO THE UNITED STATES. YOU KNOW SOMEONE OVER IN CHINA IS HOLDING THEIR PASSPORT OR YOU KNOW DOING THAT TYPE OF HEY IF YOU DON'T COME ON BOARD WE'RE GOING TO THREATEN YOUR FAMILY WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THEY'RE HURT A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT HAS HAPPENED. WE HAVE WORKED WITH BORDER PATROL AND HCI. WE HAVE INTERDICTED SOME SMUGGLING EVENTS COMING FROM THE BAHAMAS THROUGH THE UNITED STATES WHERE SOME OF THE CHINESE FEMALES WERE ACTUALLY SLOTTED TO WORK IN THE UNITED STATES. BUT THAT'S A SMALL VERY SMALL MINORITY. THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE SEE IS THE RECRUITING HAPPENING INTERNALLY WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHINESE NEWSPAPERS GO RECRUIT HEAVILY UP IN THE NEW YORK AREA BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A SATURATION OF THE CHINESE POPULATION THEY'RE NOT LADEN CAN SPEAK ENGLISH. THEY POST YOU KNOW JOBS GREAT JOBS IN FLORIDA ARE GREAT JOBS IN FLORIDA. NO EXPERIENCE NECESSARY. WE'LL TRAIN YOU ON ONSITE PAY IS GOOD. SO A LOT OF TIMES THE THE WOMAN UP IN NEW YORK WILL PICK UP THE PHONE TALK TO THE WOMAN DOWN HERE IN FLORIDA. THEY'LL STRIKE A RAPPORT OH WE'RE FROM THE SAME PROVINCE OR WE SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE COME ON DOWN HERE YOU KNOW WE'LL HELP YOU OUT THEY'LL COME 
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DOWN TO SOUTH FLORIDA WHETHER IT'S ONE OF THE NUMEROUS MASSAGE PARLORS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT JUST POP UP SEEM TO HAVE POPPED UP OVERNIGHT. THIS IN THE LAST DECADE IT'S GONE FROM MAYBE ONE OR TWO TO DOZENS. THEY'LL BUILD A RAPPORT THEY'LL SHOW THEM THE LICENSE SAYING OH YOU KNOW YOU DON'T NEED A LICENSE DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. AND IT'S A LOT OF IT IS THEY'RE VICTIMIZING THEIR OWN PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE THEY'RE GOING TO TRUST THAT PERSON SAYING THAT OH WELL WE'LL TEACH YOU ON THE JOB WE'LL TEACH YOU HERE. GO THROUGH SOME REMEDIAL LIKE HEY THIS IS YOU KNOW WHAT'S EXPECTED. THIS IS HOW MUCH FOR OUR THIS IS HOW MUCH FOR HALF AN HOUR. AND THEN AFTER THEY END A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE LIVING IN THE ESTABLISHMENT SO THAT THEY CAN SAVE THE EMPLOYEE YOU CAN SAVE MONEY AND EMPLOYER KNOWS WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE. AT THE SAME TIME. AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO THROW THEM TO THE WOLVES. YOU KNOW THE FIRST TIME YOU KNOW JOHN WILL ACTUALLY ASK FOR SOME TYPE OF SEX ACT. MANY TIMES THE EMPLOYEE WILL GO TO THE HOUSE MOTHER OR THE MANAGER AND SAY LISTEN THIS THIS GUY WANTS THIS I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. AND THEY'LL SAY WELL YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE CUSTOMER HAPPY. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY THEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL FEEL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE BECAUSE FINANCIALLY YOU KNOW THEY'VE THEY'VE THROWN A LOT OF MONEY TO COME DOWN HERE TO SOUTH FLORIDA. A LOT OF TIMES I'LL DO IT JUST TO SAVE FACE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO NEW YORK AND SAY WELL THIS IS KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED YOU KNOW. AND THEY FEEL EMBARRASSED. I MEAN A LOT OF TIMES SOME OF THE CULTURES YOU KNOW CULTURALLY THEY TAKE A LOOK AT THE MONETARY RETURN AND THEY SAY WELL YOU KNOW UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT TO SAY THAT THIS IS GENERALLY BUT A LOT OF TIMES CULTURALLY FOR A FEMALE YOU KNOW THAT ILLITERATE YOU KNOW DOESN'T HAVE ANY JOB SKILLS. THEY'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MORE MONEY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES WORKING SIX DAYS A WEEK IN A MASSAGE PARLOR THEY'LL MAKE MORE THAN IN A MONTH THEN YOU KNOW THEIR HUSBAND COULD MAKE IN TWO OR THREE YEARS TAX FREE. YOU KNOW THEY'RE MAKING MONEY ALTHOUGH THEY AREN'T LIVING HERE. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE AMERICAN DREAM LIVING INSIDE OF A MASSAGE PARLOR WORKING SIX SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FOR 12 HOURS A DAY BUT THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO SEND BACK IN CASH TO PAY FOR COLLEGE FOR THEIR CHILDREN FOR THEIR NEPHEWS AND NIECES. I MEAN AND THEN THEY CAN PUT TOGETHER A NEST EGG AND THEY'LL GO BACK TO CHINA ALMOST LIKE ROBINHOOD. I MEAN THEY GO BACK THEY HAVE A HOUSE THEY HAVE A CAR AND A LOT OF TIMES THE MORE CUTTHROAT FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. WELL ACTUALLY THEN BECOME THE TRAFFICKER THEMSELVES THEN THEY'LL ALSO KNOW BY THE MASSAGE PARLOR FROM SOMEONE ELSE AND THEN THEY'LL ENTICE OTHER FEMALES TO COME IN WHEN WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO TRY AND INTERVIEW THESE YOUNG LADIES. YOU KNOW WE'LL SEE CRIMINAL HISTORIES SPANNING LIKE ILLINOIS YOU KNOW SOLICITATION FOR PROSTITUTION. LAS VEGAS SOLICITATION FOR PROSTITUTION. 
          AND THEY'LL GO FROM PLACE TO PLACE IT'S YOU KNOW ONCE THEY GET POT HERE THEY'LL GO TO THE NEXT PLACE TO THE NEXT PLACE. BUT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO JUST GET THEM TO TRUST LAW ENFORCEMENT IT'S ALMOST A DAUNTING FEAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY THEY HAVE THEIR YOU KNOW THEIR EXPERIENCES BACK HOME WHERE UNFORTUNATELY YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEIR POLICE AND IN INTERACTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN THE BEST. SO I CAN TELL YOU KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHAT I EXPERIENCED SO FAR IN REGARDS TO THOSE THREE THREE TOPICS I GUESS AND I COULD SAY SPECIFICALLY I'VE SEEN IT HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMARA THANK YOU. I WILL ADD A AS YOU AS YOU SAW YOUR COLLEAGUES ON THE CONDITION THE GENTLEMAN CANNOT RESPOND TO QUESTIONS HE WILL RESERVE THAT REGARD. SO I CAN'T KNOW WHAT YOU'LL ASK AND AGAIN NO ONE WILL ANSWER BUT FOR THE RECORD HE WON'T BE RESPECTFUL IF HE CAME INTO YOUR QUESTION COMPLETELY UNDERSTAFFED. I DO NOT SEE ANY I TAKE THAT BACK. I NOW SEE COMMISSIONER GO ON AND I ASK YOU TO. WOULD IT HELP IF WE HAD IF WE ARE BEING SO HAD MORE ASIAN OR CHINESE POLICE OFFICERS PARTICULARLY WOMEN POLICE OFFICERS ASIAN WOMEN POLICE OFFICERS MAYBE BRIDGE THAT COMMUNICATION GAP. I DON'T KNOW. HONESTLY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WORKING IN THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING FIELD BEING A MALE DETECTIVE OR A MALE INVESTIGATOR SOMETIMES WE COME ACROSS THE OR WE'VE WE'VE BEEN TOLD A LOT OF TIMES IT'S HARD TO CONDUCT AN INTERVIEW WITH A FEMALE WITNESS OR A VICTIM BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY FEEL THEY CAN'T TRUST THE MALE IN THOSE SITUATIONS. IN MY EXPERIENCE OVER THE PAST FIVE ALMOST SIX YEARS A LOT 
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OF TIMES FEMALES WILL FEEL JUDGED IF THEY'RE BEING INTERVIEWED BY ANOTHER FEMALE DETECTIVE AND I'M ALMOST LIKE WELL THIS PERSON DOESN'T UNDERSTAND SHE'S GOING TO JUDGE ME. AND A LOT OF TIMES IT HELPS ACTUALLY BEING PART OF THAT CULTURE ALSO HAVING A BACKGROUND KNOWING THE CULTURE HELPS BUT NOT ACTUALLY BEING OF THAT CULTURE HELPS BECAUSE THEN IT'S THE SAME THING. IT'S ALMOST I COULD DO IT LIKE HEY I'M GONNA JUDGE YOU BECAUSE YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER. YOU KNOW YOU YOU KNOW WE GREW UP IN THE SAME HOMETOWN OR IN THE SAME PROVINCE. YOU KNOW WE MAY HAVE GONE TO THE SAME SCHOOLS. I THINK IT HELPS BEING QUOTE UNQUOTE AMERICAN IN THIS SITUATION AND BEING ABLE TO SAY HEY THIS IS YOU KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH RAPPORT WITH YOU. BUT I'M ALSO TRYING TO HELP YOU BECAUSE THE STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE BACK HOME ARE NOT THE STANDARDS WE'RE GOING TO JUDGE YOU BY HERE. AND YOU SAID SOME OF THE SOME OF THE WOMEN YOU KNOW THEY DO WELL THEY SEND MONEY BACK HOME. SO ARE THOSE WOMEN THAT ARE KIND OF MORE IN CONTROL OF THEIR DESTINY VERSUS SOMEONE WHO'S BEING TRAFFICKED AND HAS TO GIVE THE MAJORITY OF THEIR INCOME TO THEIR PIMP. SO WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WHERE MOST OF THE WOMEN ARE ABLE TO SEND A MAJORITY A LOT OF CASH. I MEAN WE'VE SEEN WESTERN UNION RECEIPTS GOING ONE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS GOING BACK TO CHINA UNFORTUNATELY TRACKING THAT MONEY BACK TO CHINA IS A DIFFERENT STORY ONCE IT HITS CHINA. THERE'S DIFFERENT FINANCIAL REPORTING RULES AND REGULATIONS THEY HAVE IN CHINA THAN THEY DO IN THE US SO THEY'RE ABLE TO SEND MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CASH BACK HOME BUT ACTUALLY DOING THE FOLLOW UP BACK IN CHINA IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE. WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THESE FEMALES DO HAVE A QUOTE UNQUOTE TRAFFICKER OR NOT. IT'S HARD FOR US TO DETERMINE A LOT OF TIMES LIKE I SAID IT SEEMS THAT ONCE THEY GET IN THE SYSTEM FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD GOOD THEY START WORKING IN THE INDUSTRY. A LOT OF TIMES THEY WILL NOT LEAVE UNTIL THEY HIT A FINANCIAL GOAL THAT THEY MAY HAVE SET IN THEIR HEAD. IN SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE THE NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS NGOS THAT WE DO WORK CLOSELY WITH. IT SEEMS SOME OF THEM DO HAVE THE FREE THE ABILITY TO GO FROM PLACE TO PLACE. SO LET'S SAY I DON'T LIKE THE PLACE AND TAMARA AND I CAN CALL AROUND AND MAYBE SEE IF I CAN FIND A PLACE IN SUNRISE OR DOWN SOUTH THAT'S A LITTLE MORE WELL SUITED BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S THAT YOU KNOW DECISION YOU KNOW THAT MAKE IT OR BREAK IT MOMENT WHERE THEY DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO DELVE INTO THAT SIDE OF IT YOU KNOW ENGAGING IN THE COMMERCIAL SEX ACTS THAT THAT PERSON THAT YOU KNOW THE MANAGER OF THAT PLACE YOU KNOW COULD BE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE TRAFFICKER AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THEY KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY PRETTY MUCH ARE HOLDING THE REINS. YOU KNOW THEY COULD SAY HEY YOU KNOW YOU CAN GO BACK IF YOU WANT TO BUT YOU KNOW GOOD LUCK. BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO MONEY RIGHT NOW AND YOU KNOW MAYBE I'LL TELL SOMEONE BACK UP HOME. YOU KNOW WHAT. ONCE YOU'RE UP TO. AND THEN AFTER THAT IT SEEMS LIKE A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL BUSINESS TRANSACTION. AND ARE YOU ARE YOU FAMILIAR AND DOES YOUR AGENCY WORK WITH A GROUP CALLED THE GUARDIAN GROUP. THEY'RE A GROUP THAT CAUSES SOME FORMER FBI PROFESSIONALS AND THEY HELP RESCUE VICTIMS OF TRAFFICKING SEX. I AM NOT SPECIFIC. I CAN'T SAY HOW SOMEONE MAY HAVE BUT I HAVE NOT DEALT WITH IN PERSON. 
          AND JUST IN GENERAL FINALLY JUST YOUR OPINION. I WANT TO ANSWER OR SHARE. HOW DO YOU THINK LEGALIZED PROSTITUTION WOULD WOULD IMPACT THIS INDUSTRY. THAT WOULD BE ITS OPENING UP. YEAH I WOULDN'T TOUCH. THAT'S WHY VICE MAYOR THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. HOW MANY MASSAGE PARLORS DO WE HAVE WITHIN OUR CITY THAT I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. I CAN. AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S KIND OF SKEWED MANY OF THE BUSINESS HAVE EXPEND EXPLOITING LOOPHOLES. SO FOR EXAMPLE UP UNTIL MAYBE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO AND THE TIMEFRAMES ARE GENERALIZED. BUT THERE WAS A CORNISH I GUESS COTTAGE INDUSTRY IN REGARDS TO LICENSING. SO WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS IS FOR A NOMINAL FEE YOU COULD BE ABLE TO GET A FLORIDA MASSAGE LICENSE FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT I GUESS VENUES OUT OF FLORIDA AND ACTUALLY GET A ON PAPER A FLORIDA LICENSE MASSAGE LICENSE SO YOU KNOW THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT THE NUMBERS WOULD MATCH UP AND MATCH UP TO A PERSON 
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THAT ACTUALLY IS LICENSED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IN THE FLORIDA MASSAGE BOARD HAS MADE IT A LOT MORE DIFFICULT IN ORDER TO GET THOSE MASSAGE LICENSES. SO THAT COTTAGE INDUSTRY KIND OF WENT OFF TO THE SIDE WHEN YOU OPEN UP A MASSAGE PARLOR AND I APOLOGIZE IF I'M GOING TO MISQUOTE SOME LEGAL YOU KNOW LEGAL TERMINOLOGY AND THEN ONCE YOU ACTUALLY NEED. BUT THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING ONCE YOU APPLY FOR A BUSINESS FOR A MASSAGE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT YOU HAVE TO HAVE LICENSE MASSAGE MASSAGE PERSONNEL WORKING AT YOUR PLACE. YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME CRITERIA FOR MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT ITSELF. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF LICENSES THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED IN ORDER TO OPEN UP A LEGITIMATE QUOTE UNQUOTE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT THEN YOU FALL INTO THE VENUE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WHEN IT COMES TO INSPECTIONS. SO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CAN ACTUALLY SEND INSPECTORS IN TO DO THEIR INSPECTIONS. I KNOW THE FLORIDA CONGRESS HAS BEEN VERY PROACTIVE IN ATTEMPTING TO TO COMBAT HUMAN TRAFFICKING WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ENABLED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GO INTO A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS TO ASK FOR SOME TYPE OF GOVERNMENT ID IN ORDER TO ATTEMPT TO IDENTIFY HUMAN TRAFFICKING VICTIMS. THIS IS FOR A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT A MASSAGE PARLOR WHEN YOU GO INTO A BODY WRAP OR A SPA QUOTE UNQUOTE SPA THEN YOU OPEN UP FOR A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SET OF RULES. SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DECLINE IN THE QUOTE UNQUOTE MASSAGE PARLORS AND THE MASSAGE SPOTS BECAUSE THE THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK IN ORDER TO GET THAT IS A LOT MORE DIFFICULT WITH THE BODY SPA THAN IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT REALM. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LICENSING FOR A SPA WHICH THE CRITERIA IS A LOT LOWER YOU'LL SEE BODY RAPTURE TICKETS WHICH IS LIKE A 16 HOUR COURSE YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. SO THE REQUIREMENTS ARE A LOT LESS. BUT ON PAPER YOU'LL HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT YOU NEED TO OPEN UP A BRICK AND MORTAR SHOP. NOW YOU NO LONGER FALLEN UNDER THE VENUE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR INSPECTIONS. IT'S GONNA BE THE DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL REGULATION THE GBR. YES YOU'RE RIGHT. SO NOW YOU'RE YOU'RE FALLING UNDER A WHOLE DIFFERENT GUIDELINES OF INSPECTIONS AND THOSE LOOPHOLES ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO EXPLOIT RATHER THAN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CONDUCTING YOUR INSPECTIONS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU KNOW I CAN'T GIVE YOU A HARD NUMBER. I WOULD PROBABLY SAY AT LEAST A DOZEN. BUT YOU KNOW ONCE AGAIN YOU KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DETERMINE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE FINDING THOSE LOOPHOLES RIGHT IF STAFF POSSIBLY COULD LET US KNOW HOW MANY MASSAGE PARLORS AND HOW MANY SPA TYPE BUSINESSES WE HAVE I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE THAT. AND I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP SO WE WILL. I'M WORKING CLOSELY WITH DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ALSO SEE MY PROSECUTION. I CAN'T TELL YOU IN SPECIFICS WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW BUT HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUSH OUT SOME INFORMATION ESPECIALLY WITH OUR FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM AND THE OFFICE OF STATEWIDE PROSECUTION. I KNOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. 
          ONE OF OUR BIG PUSHES IS WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM FROM THE OFFICE IN REGARDS TO THAT. SO AS SOON AS WE GET SOME HARD EVIDENCE THAT WE CAN START ROLLING OUT WE WOULD BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SHARE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISHMAN. I'M GLAD I'M FOLLOWING VICE MAYOR CLARK. OH AND OUR QUESTION OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP. THAT'S PART OF WHY I PUT IT ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AS TO BECOMING A SEALED CITY THERE ARE THINGS THAT AS A COMMISSION AND AS A CITY WE CAN DO TO HELP COMBAT HUMAN TRAFFICKING BUT BEFORE I GET INTO THAT CAN YOU EXPAND ON ROMEO PIMPS AND HOW THEY OPERATE DIFFERENT FROM THE MASSAGE PARLORS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE LISTENING TO THINK THAT THAT'S THE ONLY FOCUS FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKERS. OK SO ROMEO PIMP DOES AS OPPOSED TO A GORILLA PEN FOR THE ROMNEY CAMP THIS TERM. YES MA'AM ABSOLUTELY. I'M SO ROMEO. AND THE WORD PIMP IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES ROMANTICIZE JUST IN CULTURE. SO A ROMEO PIMP WOULD BE LIKE A SWEET TALKING PERSON. WE SEE THAT A LOT RIGHT NOW ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE 
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INFLUX OF YOUNG LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I DON'T MEAN TO YOU KNOW SEGREGATE BASED ON GENDER. I CAN TELL YOU ACTIVELY WITH CASES THAT I'M CURRENTLY WORKING A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE AN INFLUX OF YOUNG LADIES COMING DOWN TO SOUTH FLORIDA IN MIAMI PARTICULAR BECAUSE IT'S STARTING TO BE A GROWING HUB OF FASHION MUSIC SOME OF THE PIMPS THAT WE DO COME ACROSS WOULD FALL INTO THE ROMEO PIMP STEREOTYPE WHERE THEY WOULD SWEET TALK A YOUNG LADY SEE THEM IN A CLUB HEY YOU LOOK BEAUTIFUL WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE A MODEL WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE A MUSICIAN. I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. IN DOING SO THEY'LL A LOT OF TIMES. SHOW THEM THE HIGHLIFE TAKE THEM OUT TO SOUTH BEACH TAKE THEM OUT TO. TAKE THEM OUT TO ALL THE HOT SPOTS HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA WINE AND DINE THEM FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AND SAY LISTEN IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THIS UP YOU HAVE TO START WORKING A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL SEE THAT INTRODUCTION INTO THE COMMERCIAL SEX REALM ON THE STRIP CLUBS BECAUSE YOU KNOW OH YOU'RE JUST STRICT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT YOU'RE NOT ENGAGING ANY SEX ACTS YOU KNOW YOU'RE JUST GOING OUT THERE. WEALTHY MEN ARE JUST GONNA THROW YOU SOME MONEY SOONER OR LATER THEY'RE GOING TO BE INTRODUCED TO THREE OR FOUR GIRLS THAT ARE LIVING IN THE SAME EITHER HOTEL OR A CONDO THAT THEY'RE LIVING IN AND THEY SEE HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE BRINGING IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WELL YOU'RE NOT COMING UP TO PAR. YOU'RE ONLY BRINGING THREE HUNDRED BUCKS HOME A NIGHT. YOU KNOW THESE GIRLS ARE BRINGING HOME A THOUSAND TWO THOUSAND THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS HOME. YOU KNOW HOW AM I GONNA JUSTIFY YOU GETTING A VOCAL COACH OR SOME PHOTOGRAPHY SETTINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHEN YOU'RE ONLY BRINGING HOME THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE TO STEP UP THEIR GAME. 
          THE PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO LAY A HAND ON THEM. YOU KNOW THEY'RE USING THEIR SWEET TALKING THEM A LOT OF TIMES YOU KNOW THEY MAY HAVE TO RAISE THEIR VOICE OR WHATNOT BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT'S THEY'RE JUST USING THEIR WORDS THEY'RE USING THEIR WORDS THEY'RE THEY'RE TRYING TO PLAY ON WHAT THAT GIRL WANTS. SO A LOT OF TIMES IT'S IT'S IT'S A DIFFICULT CASE TO PROVE BECAUSE THERE'S NO FORCE WHERE YOU'LL SEE A QUOTE UNQUOTE GORILLA IN A GORILLA PIMP IS EXACTLY THAT USES A LOT OF FORCE YOU KNOW WELL WILL BEAT THAT PERSON DOWN UNTIL THEY GET COMPLIANCE OR THEY'LL BE SOMEONE ELSE DOWN. WE'LL SEE THOSE IN THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS ALSO WHERE YOU KNOW A PERSON MIGHT BE SWEET TALKED INTO LIVING WITH THEM OR LIVING YOU KNOW WITH THREE OR FOUR OF THESE GIRLS AND HE'LL SAY WELL YOU'RE NOT YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT CUTTING IT THEY'LL TAKE THEIR PHONES. THEY'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY CUT THOSE TIES WITH BACK HOME. 
          OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THEIR BACKSTORY IS. SO IF IT'S YOU KNOW MOM AND DAD ARE AT HOME OR MOM AND YOU KNOW THEIR DAUGHTER OR THEIR SON AT HOME YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING DOWN HERE. YOU KNOW I HAVE VIDEOS OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YOU KNOW IF YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH WHAT I'M DOING I'LL SEND I'LL SEND A VIDEO TO YOUR MOM OR I'LL SEND A VIDEO TO DCF. ARE YOU GOING TO BE A FIT MOTHER. NO. AND THEN IF THEY GO AHEAD AND ARGUE THEN THEY WILL MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THEM. A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL HAVE THERE'S A RANK STRUCTURE. THERE'S WHAT'S CALLED A BOTTOM A BOTTOM IS ACTUALLY IT'S INVERTED BUT THE BOTTOM IS ACTUALLY THE IF YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR GIRLS THAT YOUR BOTTOM IS YOUR MOST TRUSTED GIRL. THAT'S THE THE TRAFFICKER IS GOING TO GO TO TO SEE HEY WHO'S GOOFING OFF IN IN THE CLUBS WHO'S NOT PULLING HER WEIGHT. AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT BOTTOM WILL BE THE ENFORCER. SO HE'LL SAY HEY TAKE CARE OF JANE. SHE NEEDS. SHE NEEDS TO BE WAKING UP. A LOT OF TIMES THE TRAFFICKER WILL ACTUALLY BEAT ON THE BOTTOM TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF HER TO SHOW YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT CAN BE DONE. A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL SEE GUERRILLA PIMPS ACTUALLY COERCING THEIR FEMALES WITH DRUGS. ALSO I HAD A CASE THAT CLOSED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO WHERE A YOUNG LADY WAS ENTICED BACK TO A HOUSE AND SHE WAS DELIVERED WHAT WAS CALLED A QUOTE UNQUOTE HOT SHOT. THEY KNEW THAT THE YOUNG LADY HAD A OPIOID ADDICTION PROBLEM. THEY KNEW THAT SHE WAS TRYING TO GET OFF OF OPIOIDS LURED HER BACK TO THE HOUSE TO PARTY IT UP AND ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY HELD HER DOWN AND INJECTED HER WITH HEROIN KNOWING THAT IT WOULD REINTRODUCE THAT ADDICTION TO HER BEFORE EXPLOITING HER AGAIN ONCE AGAIN THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF A GUERRILLA THANK YOU THE LICENSING THAT USE OF I WANTED TO ASK HER CITY ATTORNEY DO WE KNOW IF THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT THE STATE IS CURRENTLY TRYING TO REGULATE. I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT BODY WRAPPERS IN THE REGULATION IN THIS SESSION. YES YES THAT'S 
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MINE. I DON'T HAVE THE BILL IN FRONT OF ME AND NOT SURE WHAT BILL NUMBER IT IS BUT THERE THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT DEREGULATION AT THE STATE LEVEL HOW THAT WILL IMPACT THIS DISCUSSION THIS MORNING OR ANY FUTURE AUDIENCE THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED. I CAN'T ANSWER BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN IN LOOKING AT THAT ISSUE IN TALLAHASSEE JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THERE THERE IS A HEAVY PUSH BY THOSE THAT BELIEVE LESS GOVERNMENT IS BETTER GOVERNMENT TO DEREGULATE A LOT OF THAT LICENSING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HELPING TO BUILD YEAH THIS IS A TOPIC FOR ME THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. I'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF PERSONAL TIME UNDER TRYING TO GET TO UNDERSTAND THE TOPIC AND TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE AS A CITY CAN DO TO. 
          LIKE I SAID HELP ELIMINATE OR ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFICKING THAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN OUR CITY. THERE ARE ORDINANCES THAT WE CAN CREATE TO FOCUS ON SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES SUCH AS MASSAGE PARLORS STRIP CENTERS OR STRIP STRIP JOINTS THAT STRIP CENTERS SORRY SORRY ABOUT THAT. ESCORT SERVICES ADULT BOOKSTORES WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY ADULT BOOKSTORES CURRENTLY IN TAMARACK BUT THINKING OF THE FUTURE WE NEED TO INCLUDE THOSE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEXUALLY OR SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES. I'VE GIVEN. A NUMBER OF AREAS TO. I'VE GIVEN THE CITY MANAGER OF A NUMBER OF AREAS WHERE I THINK OUR CITY CAN START WORKING ON THIS ISSUE AND I'M HOPING THAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION WILL SUPPORT AT LEAST LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS AND MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. I WILL AS WITH THE COMMISSION WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SOME STUFF YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER BUT MAYBE THROUGH THE CONVERSATION THINGS CAN BE FORWARDED TO US FOR YOUR FUTURE. I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT OF A MUTUAL TRANSACTION BUT STILL BASED ON DURESS IS STILL NOT A TRANSACTION THAT IS ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD. BUT THAT'S MY LEGAL MINDS NOT WORKING IN UNDER THAT DURESS WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE. SO IT'S STILL THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING TRAFFICKED ARE NOT FREE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THIS IN OUR CITY. IF IT COULD BE SHARED OR IF AT LEAST PROTECTED FROM HUB UP BROTHELS WHERE WE ARE SHOWING UP IN THE AIR BEING BEES AND THE VACATION RENTALS WHERE THEY RENT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEY ARE BRINGING IN LADIES OR GENTLEMEN AND THEY ARE UTILIZING THOSE HOMES OR SPACES FOR TRAFFICKING AS WELL IT IS HAPPENING I CAN'T TELL YOU OF A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMARACK. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES IN OTHER CITIES IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE THEY SEEM LIKE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY IN ORDER TO SETUP A LOCATION WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THE COMMERCIAL SEX ACTS WHERE YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION TO LIKE LET'S SAY A MAJOR HOTEL BRAND. WE'VE HAD SOME SOME ACTUAL FRAUD CASES WHERE YOU KNOW THESE AIR BEING BEES OR THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY VICTIMIZED BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING ONLINE USING FRAUDULENT YOU KNOW STOLEN ID AND CREDIT CARDS IN ORDER TO BOOK THE PLACE FOR THE NIGHT. SO NOW ORSON YOU HAVE AN EXTRA LAYER OF AN AMENITY AS TO TRY AND GET BACK TO THE TRASH BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY SETTING UP THE RESIDENTS. I KNOW IT DOES HAPPEN FREQUENTLY WITHIN BROWARD COUNTY. I CAN'T TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY OF ANY INCIDENT HERE IN TAMPA THE LAST PART IS GOOD BUT WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ENFORCEABLE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THESE ITEMS ON A WHOLE NOT JUST THE MASSAGE PARLORS OR THE WRAPPING SPIES THAT POP UP BROTHELS ALL OF THESE KIND OF THINGS. AND I'M SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE RHETORICAL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN ACTUALLY BE EXPRESSED BACK AND I'M TROUBLED BY OUR HOTELS THAT ARE USED 
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FOR THESE ACTS AS WELL AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO ENFORCE RULES AND REGULATIONS WE PUT IN PLACE. SO THESE ARE COMMENTS THAT I SHARE AND IS GOING TO OUR CITY ATTORNEYS. I KNOW YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS. I'M CURIOUS IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS BEING DONE TO WORK WITH OUR SISTER CITIES IN NEW YORK AND L.A.. ACTUALLY I LEARNED HOW TO DRIVE IN FLUSHING. I'M I'M A NEW YORKER. I GREW UP IN REGAL PARK QUEENS. SO IN FLUSHING AS ONE YOU GENERALLY REFERRED TO AS BUNCH OF OUR CITIES WITHIN JUST LIKE FORT LAUDERDALE ENCOMPASSES TAMARACK AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS FLUSHING IS VERY SIMILAR TO TOO ENCOMPASSING CITY NAME WHERE I GREW UP. SO HOPEFULLY THERE IS SOME METHODOLOGIES WHERE UP IN THE OTHER CITIES THERE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THE MEN AND WOMEN FROM COMING DOWN HERE AND SAYING THESE ARE NOT THE BEST JOB OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU ARE BEING LED TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE. SO WE CAN STOP IT BEFORE EVEN COMES HERE. I KNOW OUR LAND USE AMENDMENT WE WORKED ON OUR ZONING AND OUR LAND USE VERY WELL FOR THREE YEARS. I'M TRYING TO PUT IN OUR BEST WORDING AND LANGUAGE FOR AS STRONG AS POSSIBLE AND ENFORCEABLE AS WELL FOR MASSAGE PARLORS AND I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY ADULT BOOKSTORES OR HAVE ANY ALLOWANCES FOR THOSE. AGAIN WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS ILLEGAL IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE BUT HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY IS STRONG ENOUGH AND ENFORCEABLE SO. 
          ON THAT NOTE I'M GOING TO JUST PULL THE COMMISSION AND ASK IF THERE IS CONSENSUS TO DIRECT OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT OUR AUDIENCES AND THEN LOOK AT PROFESSIONAL STAFF IF YOU WILL AND YES OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF AS WELL. ME ALONE. NO NOT NOT YOU ALONE EVERYBODY ON OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF LABORATORIES EFFORT BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LAND USE ORDINANCES EVERYTHING EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE IT'S IN PLACE THAT ALSO MAKES IT EFFECTIVE FOR YOU TO DO YOUR JOB AND YOUR PARTNERS AND YOUR OTHER SISTER CITY AGENCIES TO DO YOUR JOB TO HELP PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME THROUGH HERE. SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER FISHMAN YES COMMISSIONER. YES. I SMELL COMMISSION BOLTON THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I MAY JUST CREATE A RECORD. I THINK THE BACKUP THAT THE COMMISSIONER FISHERMEN LEFT YOU ALL INCLUDED A MEAN ORDINANCE IN 2016 FROM PASCO COUNTY IN THE BACK SHOULD THEN THE BACKUP I BELIEVE AND SOME OF US HAVE GIVEN GIVEN TO A COMMISSION. OK. SOME OF US MAY HAVE RECEIVED IT SEPARATELY AS WELL FROM CERTAIN INTERESTING MEMBERS THAT THERE IS A PASCO ORDINANCE IS ALSO A BROWARD ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN RECENT VINTAGE ALL OF WHICH HAS SOME DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH MASSAGE PARLORS AND RELATED ACTIVITIES WHICH ARE REGULATED NOT BANS ON THE OPERATIONAL ACTIVITIES THEY ARE REGULATIONS REGARDING NOTIFICATION NOTICES. SO THAT AFFECTED PARTIES WOULD HAVE SOME RIGHTS TO EXERCISE DUE IN THE COURSE OF THAT REGULATION AND IF NOT THAT THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF YOUR CONSENSUS DIRECTION TO US IF YOU WOULD PLEASE DO SO. AND ALSO I AM A BROKEN RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOPIC OF AIR B AND B AND VACATION RENTALS. I KNOW WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE I KNOW OUR HANDS ARE TIED IN TERMS RESPECTS REGISTRATION ORDINANCE OF METAL CORRECT. BUT WHEN LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE MAYBE WE AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT ALL HOTELS ALL MOTELS WHATEVER IT IS ON A UNIFIED NOT SINGLING OUT. IF WE CAN ADD THAT INTO OUR PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A MERE FIGURE AND RESPOND IF THE ANSWER IS YES WE CERTAINLY CAN. BUT BEARING IN MIND AFTER LOOKING AT THAT THE MASTER LIST OF PENDING BILLS ONE OF THE BILLS IN TALLAHASSEE THAT'S STILL ALIVE IS THE PREEMPTION BILL FOR THE ISSUES OF VACATION RENTALS TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. 
          I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AS WE KNOW COMPLETELY DOG WITH A BONE IT HEALTH WELFARE AND SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS BELONGS WITH US. AND SO WHATEVER WE CAN TRY TO DO WITHOUT CAUSING ANY COMPLETE RIFT WITH THE STATE MIND IF IT'S A LITTLE ANYWAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GALLANT YOU WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. YEAH I KNOW REGARDING THE ORDINANCE I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF AND OUR ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE. I THINK SAN FRANCISCO OR I HAVE IT. I JUST GOT IT THIS MORNING AND FINISH A PRETTY GOOD SHE DELIVERED. I'VE LOOKED AT IT IT IS ONLY 43 PAGES SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. THAT'S WHY FIVE MINUTES AGO SHE GAVE IT TO ME. BUT I WILL REVIEW IT. A RESIDENT TOLD ME ABOUT THE TIMES. YES. THANK YOU. IT ACTUALLY ACTUALLY DID. IT ALSO HAS A RUSH BREAKFAST MASSAGE PARLORS AS WELL SO THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR WOULD YOU. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL MISS CALLAWAY JUST. EXPLAIN THE COMMISSION ON WHAT IS IN PLACE CURRENTLY. 
          HOW LOVELY. YES PLEASE. THIS KIND OF ISSUE. MAXINE CALLAWAY DIRECTOR OF 
          [01:15:07]
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RESTAURANT WE JUST HAVE A ONE THING SLIDE REAL QUICK. JUST GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE STEPS TO PREVENT HUMAN TRAFFICKING. AND COMMISSIONER FISHMAN I KNOW YOU PROVIDED US WITH THE PASCO COUNTY ORDINANCE. IN ADDITION WITH SOME STEPS THAT CAN BE TAKEN THAT WERE LISTED BY THE COALITION IN BROWARD COUNTY AND SO WE LOOKED AT THAT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE NO TINTING WINDOWS ON MASSAGE PARLORS IS ONE OF THE STEPS THAT'S CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN OUR UPDATED ORDINANCE. BY THE WAY MAYOR YOU MENTIONED THAT WAS UPDATED IN 2017 SIGNIFICANTLY TO ADDRESS THIS IN FACT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING THIS ORDINANCE NO LOCK FRONT DOOR. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS MARTIN. MR. MARKS THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN REQUIRE THAT A BUSINESS NOT LOCK THEIR FRONT DOOR. SO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IF I MAY. ON THE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM IS THERE NOT SOMETHING ALREADY IN PLACE THAT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS YOUR DOOR IS NOT LOCKED. OR FIRE OR ISSUES I'D HAVE TO. NOT IN THE MASSAGE PARLOR OR I'M NOT. IT MIGHT BE SOME QUICKLY TO MASSAGE PARLORS. I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY TO BUSINESSES. SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THEN AND DO A SEARCH OF THE CODE TO SEE IF THAT'S CODIFIED SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND WE'LL GO BACK AND CHECK SHORTER HOURS OF OPERATION WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN A PART OF THE CODE AMENDMENT. MOST CITIES ARE OPEN UNTIL ABOUT 10 P.M.. WE MADE SURE THAT IT'S KIND OF FIGHTING THE CODE FOR MASSAGE PARLORS SO THEY CANNOT BE OPEN NO LATER THAN 9 P.M. SO THE HOURS OF OPERATION IS INCLUDED IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCE FROM 7:00 A.M. TO 7:00 P.M. REQUIRED MASSAGE PARLORS TO POST THE NATIONAL HUMAN TRAFFICKING HOTLINE NUMBER. WE'RE INVISIBLE. WE WERE LUCKY TO FIND THAT BROWARD COUNTY DOES HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2016 AND IT'S APPLICABLE COUNTYWIDE SO WE CAN PIGGYBACK ON THAT ORDINANCE AND WE CAN MEET THAT REQUIREMENT NOW. AND SO THAT ORDINANCE IS SPECIFIC TO MASSAGE PARLORS AND HOTELS AS WELL SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THAT AS A PART OF OUR REQUIREMENT GOING FORWARD REQUIRE HOTELS ANYMORE IN AMERICA I THINK BRIEFLY JUST JUST TO NOT CONFUSE ANYBODY BUT I MEAN CHARTER ONLY APPLIES IN CERTAIN INSTANCES EXPRESSLY TO CITIES THIS THE OPTION WHICH HAD BEEN DISCUSSED BY BY MAXINE IS A IS A VENUE IN WHICH YOU WOULD EMBRACE THAT ORDINANCE ACCEPTED OTHERWISE YOU BEGIN ACCEPTING ALL COUNTY ORDINANCES WHICH IS NOT THE ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS OF THE CITY. SO WE WOULD BE IMPLEMENT ASKING TO IMPLEMENT IT INTO OUR PARTICULAR ITEM AND ACCEPTING THAT AS PART OF OUR OWN CODE BUT NOT ACCEPTING THE ENTIRE COUNTY CODE IN THAT REGARD. UNDERSTOOD. I THINK THIS PROVISION AND THEN THE LAST ONE WITH THE HOTELS AND MOTELS SPECIFICALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO MEN OR CODE JUST TO CLEAN THAT UP TO MAKE THIS A STRONG REQUIREMENT. SO THIS IS SPECIFIC JUST TO THESE AREAS THAT THE COMMISSIONER PROVIDED TO US AS A PART OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO TO PREVENT HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS DISCUSSED THIS MORNING. CLEARLY WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW WE CAN BRING THAT BACK FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND ACTUALLY ONE ITEM I DID NOT BRING UP DRUGS WHICH I MEAN I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE KIND OF GOES HAND-IN-HAND SOMETIMES WITH WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU. YOU TOUCHED ON IT WITH THESE LADIES OR GENTLEMEN TO BRING THEM BACK IN THE FOLD IF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OR JUST MAKE IT TOLERABLE FOR DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO HELP THEM WITH THE MIND FRAME OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WILL YOU ALSO IF NOT ON THE RECORD HERE TODAY CONTINUE TO TALK WITH OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM AND OUR STAFF AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND WHAT OTHER PROVISIONS WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THAT. I MEAN IT'S MY HEAD IS GOING TO IF THERE'S A LOOPHOLE FOR BODY WRAPS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE ARE MAKING THE LICENSING SO MUCH EASIER. I KNOW DRUG USE IS STILL A CRIME NO MATTER WHAT. BUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO OPEN THE DOOR TO MAKE IT EASIER TO GET YOU TO GET THROUGH IT. TO HELP THESE MEN AND WOMEN I CAN TELL YOU FOR ME IN REGARD TO THE DRUG PART OF IT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN QUICK TO ADOPT UNDER THE COERCION PART OF IT THAT YOU HAVE TO PLAY SOMEONE WITH DRUGS THAT WOULD SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT. SO AS A TRAFFICKER IF I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A HEROIN ADDICTION AND I HATE TO SAY IT ECONOMICALLY IT WOULD BENEFIT ME MORE IF YOU DID BECAUSE I COULD JUST PAY YOU ONE PRODUCT. TWENTY DOLLARS WORTH OF HEROIN IN IN EXCHANGE FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF SEX ACTS IN A DAY IS A LOT BETTER THAN HAVING TO CUT OFF YOU KNOW 30 TO 40 PERCENT. SO LUCKILY IT'S BUILT INTO THE STATUTE THAT PLYING SOMEONE WITH DRUGS AND NARCOTICS SATISFIES THAT REQUIREMENT FOR 
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HUMAN TRAFFICKING. SO THAT FRAUD FORCE OR COERCION YOU KNOW IF I'M FLYING WITH DRUGS IT'S GOING TO SATISFY THAT COERCION PART OF IT BUT FOR THE DEFINITION. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT BACK TO YOU MAXINE. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED FROM US AT THE SAME. NO I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE. OK JUST TO BE IN YOUR CONDITION IF I MAY. YOUR CONSENSUS NOW AUTHORIZES MYSELF MY OFFICE AS WELL AS PROFESSIONAL STAFF TO BRING BACK TO YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH MAY INCLUDE A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT MAY RELATE TO THE SUBJECT TOPIC ITEM IN THAT THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BY THE SPEAKER SPOKE SPOKESPERSON FOR VSO AND FROM PROFESSIONAL STAFF. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          CORRECT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER FISHMAN DID YOU JUST A COUPLE LAST THINGS. UM YOU MENTIONED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. JUST THROUGH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HERE IN BROWARD COUNTY CREATED THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE WHICH LITERALLY JUST STARTED LAST WEEK. AND WE'RE HOPING TO SEE SOME GOOD THINGS COMING OUT OF THAT AS FAR AS WHAT CITIES CAN DO TO HELP COMBAT ON THE VACATION RENTALS. I SPENT TWO WEEKS TALKING ABOUT THE DIRECT TIE BETWEEN HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND VACATION RENTALS IN TALLAHASSEE WITH LEGISLATORS OFFICES AND GOT ALMOST NOWHERE WHICH IS REALLY SAD TO SAY THE FOLKS THAT KNOW ABOUT THAT TIE I WAS I WAS RECEIVED WARMLY HOPES THAT DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT IN OR DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT REGULATION THEY TURNED ME AWAY. AND THAT'S REALLY SAD WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN LIVES AND THEN MAXINE IN ADDITION I ASKED FOR TRAINING. YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS PART OF IT. I ASKED FOR TRAINING OF OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS AND OUR OWN OFFICERS CODE OFFICERS. YES. YEP. SCUSE ME. WE MADE AN INQUIRY TO SEAL THE CITIES JUST FOR INFORMATION AND HAVEN'T YET HEARD BACK AND SEALED CITIES AS GUARDIAN GROUP. YES YES. THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME IT IS TEN FIFTY THREE. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK. SO 1 0 5. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. WOW I REALLY REALLY GOT THIS. LET'S WE DO THAT THROUGH 11:00. THANK YOU VERY MUCH STREET AND PINE 
          [3. TR 13247 - Awarding Bid No. 19-14B for the Pine Island Pedestrian Crossing]
ISLAND ROAD IN NORTHWEST SIXTY SEVENTH CHORD SO IT'S MY FAULT. THANK YOU SIR. 
          THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. OK. THIS IS A LOCATION MAP OF THE PROPOSED CROSSINGS. 
          THE CROSSING AT PINE ISLAND ROAD IN NORTHWEST 57 STREET ON THE SOUTH WILL BE DESIGNED FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. ONLY THE CROSSWALK AT PINE ISLAND ROAD IN NORTHWEST SIXTY SEVENTH WORKABLE NORTH WILL BE DESIGNED FOR BOTH GOLF CARTS AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO SUPPORT OUR COLONY WEST GOLF. THIS IS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF THE PINE ISLAND ROAD IN NORTHWEST. 57 STREET CROSSING TOGETHER WITH TWO PHOTOGRAPHS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS AT THIS LOCATION. AS YOU CAN SEE CHILDREN FREQUENTLY COSTS CROSS PINE ISLAND ROAD AT THIS LOCATION. TRAVELING TO AND FROM SCHOOL. SO THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED IMPROVEMENT AT THIS INTERSECTION AND THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR THE PINE ISLAND ROAD IN NORTHWEST SIXTY SEVENTH CAUGHT CROSSING TOGETHER WITH TWO PHOTOGRAPHS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS AT THIS LOCATION AS YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING CONDITION AT THIS LOCATION. TRAFFIC IS DIRECTED TO THE CENTER OR THE THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION WHICH IS DOES NOT MEET CURRENT STANDARDS CITY PUBLISHED THE NUMBER NINETEEN DASH 14 BE FOR THE PINE ISLAND ROAD CROSSWALKS PROJECT AND ON MARCH 26 RECEIVED TWO PROPOSALS ONE FROM HORSEPOWER ELECTRIC AND ONE FROM WEEKLY ASPHALT PAVING. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE BID TABULATION. CITY STAFF DETERMINANT HORSEPOWER ELECTRIC WAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE BIDDER AND JUST AS THE SKILLS EXPERIENCE AND CAPACITY TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DESIGN PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS 
          [01:25:03]
SCHEDULE THE BUDGET AND FUNDING THE PROJECT DURATION IS TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY CALENDAR DAYS WHICH INCLUDES TWO HUNDRED CALENDAR DAYS FOR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION AND AN ADDITIONAL 40 DAYS TO FINAL COMPLETION. PROJECT COSTS INCLUDES THE BID PRICE OF THREE HUNDRED AND ELEVEN THOUSAND EIGHT FIFTY. AND THEY CONTINUE TO SEE ALLOWANCE OF THIRTY ONE THOUSAND ONE EIGHTY FIVE WHICH IS 10 PERCENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR A TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET OF THREE HUNDRED FORTY THREE THOUSAND THIRTY FIVE DOLLARS. FUNDING INCLUDES A LAP VIDEO T LAP GRANT IN THE MOUTH OF TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY TWO THOUSAND SIX 0 EIGHT AND A GENERAL FUNDS VIP MATCH AND THE AMOUNT OF SEVENTY THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN DOLLARS. SO WITH THAT WE MIGHT BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THANK YOU VERY MUCH SEEING COMMISSIONER GO IN HAS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. OK. IXNAY MY REFRESHMENT. 
          QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. YEAH I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING THE LITTLE BITTY PRINT ON THE SLIDE. IS THIS I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ARE THERE GOING TO BE BLINKING LIGHTS HERE A SOLID LIGHT ANY LIGHT. YES THEY'LL BE OF WHAT THEY CALL RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASHING BEACONS ON ON BOTH SIGNALS STATIONS THAT THE SIGNAL AT 57 STREET WILL BE A LITTLE MORE ALLOWED TO ELABORATE BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE A MAST ARM. BROWARD COUNTY REQUESTED THAT BECAUSE WE WERE SO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD RIGHT IN PINE ISLAND SO THAT AGAIN THAT LOCATION WILL HAVE MASKED ARMS. THE ONE AT THE GOLF COURSE LOCATION 60 SOME WORK WILL BE MORE TRADITIONAL SIMILAR TO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE ONE ON BAILEY ROAD BUT IT'S A MORE TRADITIONAL CROSSING WITH JUST FLASHING BEACONS LOCATED ON ON POLES OR PEDESTALS IF YOU WILL. OK. AND I WHEN WE'D SPOKEN ABOUT THIS PROJECT PREVIOUSLY I ASKED IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE NOT ONLY THE LIGHT BUT THE SIRENS SOUND OR WHEN IT WAS SAFE TO CROSS THERE ARE NO SIREN SOUNDS BUILT INTO THE PROJECT. THIS IS THIS IS BASED ON DUTY STANDARDS IN BROWARD COUNTY STANDARDS AND THOSE ITEMS ARE NOT PART OF THEIR STANDARD DETAILS OK. THANK YOU. ACTUALLY THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AS WELL ABOUT SOUNDS AN UNNECESSARY SIREN SOUNDS IN OTHER CITIES OR STATES THEY HAD TRIPPING MAKE IT WHERE THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE WELL KNOW THAT THERE'S A COUNTDOWN FOR THE TIME TO CROSS. SO WHILE IT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN OUR PLANS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LOOKED INTO OR EITHER AN ADD ON OR FUTURE PLANS OR WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BROWARD COUNTY DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS. I CAN REVISIT THAT WITH THEM AGAIN AND STRESS TO THEM THAT THE COMMISSION THE BOARD'S REQUEST TO HAVE THAT AND TO SEE WHERE THAT GOES. BUT AGAIN THAT THEIR TURN CURRENTLY NOT IN THE PLANT AND IF I'M OUT FOR THIS COMMISSION IS THERE CONSENSUS YOU HAVE THAT WE LOOKED AT JUST TWO ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING SPECIFICALLY THERE AT THAT LOCATION FOR STUDENTS AND IF WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE VISUALLY IMPAIRED AND NEED SOME EXTRA GUIDANCE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO AT LEAST LOOK AT IT. AND FORGIVE ME I GO A LITTLE BIT STEP WITH THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED BUT ALSO GOING WITH CHILDREN WHO ARE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET HAVE SO MANY OTHER SENSORY ITEMS GOING ON WHATEVER EXTRA LEVEL OF PROTECTION TO SNAP THEM BACK IF POSSIBLE TO REMIND THEM THAT THEY'RE CROSSING THE STREET BECAUSE SOME OF US HAVE BEEN AT THAT INTERSECTION QUITE A BIT AND SEE VERY NEAR MISSES BETWEEN THE KIDS RUNNING INDUSTRY PARENTS SOMETIMES WITH BICYCLE IS LEADING THEIR CHILDREN INTO THE STREET. SO WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO HELP THAT INTERSECTION NOT BECOME SOMETHING THAT A PROACTIVE ON IS BASICALLY WHERE WE'RE HEADING. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO BOTH BROWARD COUNTY AND THE DEAL TO SEE THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS OR ITEMS ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE'RE GOING TO 
          [4. Local Preference Ordinance Discussion]
MOVE ON TO THEM BEFORE LOCAL PREFERENCE AUDIENCE DISCUSSION WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND PURCHASING CONTRACTS MANAGER KEITH THANK AMERICAN MISSION GOOD MORNING. ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES BEN MORGAN WILL SIT WITH IT THIS MORNING HAVING HAD A HAND IN SOME OF THE DRAFTING OF THIS DOCUMENT AS WELL. WELCOME. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS THE COMMISSION THROUGH COMMISSIONER YELLEN HAD A CONVERSATION A RECENT VINTAGE AND A PRESENTATION BY BROWARD COUNTY AS YOU MAY REMEMBER REGARDING SB NBC AND A WHOLE OTHER ALPHABET SOUP OF LETTERS THAT REALLY AND 
          [01:30:01]
ACRONYMS THAT RELATED TO ISSUES REGARDING VENDOR PREFERENCES AS WELL AS ACQUISITION OF GOODS AND SERVICES. ONE OF THE OUTGROWTHS OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS A RECOMMENDATION MADE BY THE COMMISSIONER AND EMBRACED BY THE COMMISSION TO DIRECT US TO LOOK AT THE LOCAL VENDOR PREFERENCE OPTION. AS YOU MAY REMEMBER MR. JACKSON. 
          JACKSON RIGHT. YES. WHO SPOKE AT OUR PRESENTATION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO SUGGESTED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL BENCHMARK CITIES IN THE COUNTY WHICH ACTUALLY HAD LOCAL VENDOR PREFERENCES AND WE DID SOME HOMEWORK BASED ON COMMISSIONER GUILLEN'S REQUEST AND PROVIDED HIM WITH SOME OF OUR OWN INTERNAL CITY REPRESENTATIONS WHERE THERE WERE SUCH VENDOR PREFERENCES AND ACTUALLY SPOKE TO THE ISSUE OF HOW TO APPROACH THIS MATTER PUBLICLY WITH THE COMMISSION ON A FUTURE GOING FORWARD BASIS WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY ALTHOUGH NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY OR IN A FOLLOWING COMMISSION AGENDA IS A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT IN FACT BENCHMARKS WITH SEVERAL LIBRARY COUNTY WITH REGARD TO VENDOR PREFERENCES FOR BOTH LOCAL CITY VENDORS AND LOCAL COUNTY VENDORS AND PROVIDES ADDITIONAL PERCENTAGE POINTS FOR EVALUATION DURING THE BIDDING PROCESS. TO THE EXTENT THAT KEITH CLAPS CAN WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OR HOW WHAT HAPPENED OF THIS TYPE OF ORDINANCE IS NOT FOREIGN TO BROWARD COUNTY IT'S BEEN IT'S BEING USED IN SEVERAL CITIES SEVERAL WE REPRESENT AS A MATTER OF FACT AND HAS WORKED RATHER WELL IN THE CONTEXT OF ITS APPLICATION FROM TIME TO TIME WHERE WHERE IT WHERE IT EXISTS. BUT HAVING SAID THAT BASED ON YOUR CONSENSUS BASED UPON YOUR DIRECTION BASED UPON YOUR GUIDANCE TO US WE HAVE SINCE TAKEN THAT WITH THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE FOR YOUR REVIEW CONSIDERATION AND FOR A COMMENT AS APPROPRIATE AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE TO PLACE ON A FUTURE COMMISSION AGENDA FOR FIRST REVIEW WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND RESPOND TO YOUR CONCERNS IF ANY YES HE'S CLASS PERSON AND CONTRACT MANAGER. WHAT THIS WOULD OCCUR AS A RESULT OF THIS PARTICULAR AUDIENCE WOULD BE THAT IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE BID RESPONSES THAT ARE RECEIVED FROM TAMARACK VENDORS OR BROWARD COUNTY VENDORS THOSE INDIVIDUAL ENTITIES WOULD THEN RECEIVE A EITHER A 5 PERCENT PRICE CONSIDERATION FOR THE BROWARD COUNTY. ALL RIGHT. TAMARA. SORRY ABOUT THAT OUR 2.5 PERCENT FOR THE BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR. ATTENTION WOULD ALSO PROVIDE FOR AN ADDITIONAL POINTS TO BE ADDED ON IN THE INSTANCE IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE A REQUEST ALSO PROCESS WHICH IS HANDLED AS A AN EVALUATION AND PRICE IS NOT NECESSARILY THE MAJOR COMPONENT. SO LOOKING AT THE COMPETITIVE SEALED BID THE THE MANNER IN WHICH THIS WOULD OPERATE IS YOU HAVE A BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR AND YOU HAVE A NON I'M SURE YOU HAVE A TAMARA VENDOR AND AN ON CAMERA VENDOR. YOU'D BE FORGETTING THAT YOUR VIEWS THERE. YOU HAVE A TAMARA VENDOR AND A NON TAMARA VENDOR THAT ARE WITHIN 5 PERCENT OF ONE ANOTHER. 
          THE NON TAMARACK VENDOR IS THE LOWEST PRICED RESPONSE TAMARA VENDOR IS THE SECOND LOWEST THE OPPORTUNITY HERE WOULD BE TO ALLOW THAT TAMARACK VENDOR TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT WHAT WAS KNOWN AS THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER. IN OTHER WORDS REVIVE IT PROVIDE US WITH REVISED PRICING AND THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE A LITTLE UNUSUAL. THE MOST MOST MOST OF THE ORDINANCE I'VE SEEN THEY ACTUALLY WOULD MAKE THEM AT LEAST MATCH THAT PARTICULAR PRICE POINT. HOWEVER IN THIS ORDINANCE WHICH I ACTUALLY LIKE THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THE ORDINANCE THEY HAVE TO BE ONE THEY WILL HAVE TO BE 1 PERCENT LOWER THAN THE NON TAMARACK VENDOR IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR A WAR. AND IF THEY COULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT IN PRICING WE WOULD THEN MAKE THE AWARD TO THAT FIRM. THAT'S THE CAMERA VENDOR. THE CASE OF THE BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR IT'S A 2.5 PERCENT DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE HIGHEST AND THE. I'M CHOOSING BETWEEN THE LOWEST AND THE NEXT HIGH BIDDER WITH THE BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR BEING THE NEXT HIGH. AND THE OTHER VENDOR BEING A NON BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR SAME CIRCUMSTANCE. THEY BEGAN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER. ONCE THAT OFFER CAME IN IT WOULD HAVE TO THEN ONCE AGAIN BE AT LEAST 1 PERCENT LOWER THAN THE BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR. AND IN THAT INSTANCE WE WOULD MEAN THEN THE NON BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. WE WOULD THEN MAKE THE AWARD SIMILAR TO THE BROWARD COUNTY. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR YES BUT OK. IT MIGHT BE 
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BEST I CAN WE'LL GO THROUGH IT FURTHER YES NOW. SAYS THE ORDINANCE ISN'T ABSOLUTELY 100 PERCENT PERFECTLY WE DO. I WILL TELL YOU WE DO HAVE A CONCERN. I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE MANNER IN WHICH THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA AND THAT'S IN THE CASE WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE FIRMS THAT ARE WITHIN THE 5 PERCENT OR 2.5 PERCENT. I'M NOT SO WORRIED ABOUT THE 5 PERCENT OF THE TAMARA VENDORS I. WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT NORMALLY BID ON A LOT OF OUR CONTRACTS. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE BREVARD COUNTY SAID WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FIRMS THAT WILL RESPOND TO OUR BIDS AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION AREA AND THAT PROVISION ACTUALLY ALLOWS ALL OF THOSE VENDORS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT PERCENTAGE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND MAKE IT BEST AND FINAL OFFER AND END UP BELOW 1 PERCENT. AND MY CONCERN ON THAT IS IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE VENDORS IN THAT MIX AND VENDOR A WHO IS THE LOWEST OF THE TAMARACK OR BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR COMES IN PROVIDES THEIR BEST FINAL OFFER AND THEN THE SECOND LOWEST CAN RECORD BROWARD COUNTY COMES IN AND NOW THEY BEAT OUT THAT RHETORIC THAT LOW BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR I CAN SEE THERE BEING SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES IN ROOM FOR POTENTIAL PROTEST AND THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF. THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. YOU WOULD YOU MIGHT HAVE THE VENDOR WHO WAS ORIGINALLY THE FIRST LOW PROTEST BECAUSE NOW THIS OTHER VENDOR HAS COME IN AND TAKEN THEIR UNDERWAY I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY AND TRY TO BEAT THEM OUT. AND I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED TO BE VERY HONEST IN SOME OF THE SOME OF OUR MARKETPLACES THAT SOME OF THE VENDORS MAY HAVE SOME BEHIND THE SCENES DEALINGS THAT COULD OCCUR DURING THAT INTERIM PROCESS BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL BID OPENING TIME AND THE TIME THAT WE SCHEDULE THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER. MY MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION IN WHICH WE END UP ACTUALLY DISCUSSING HERE IS THAT WE FIRST GO TO THAT LOWEST VENDOR AND GIVE THEM THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY AND THEN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT WE MAY WANT TO GO TO THE SECOND ONE I DON'T I FEEL A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT PUTTING THEM ALL IN THE IN THE PARK AT THE SAME TIME AND HAVING THEM MAKE THE SUBMIT THEIR BEST AND FINAL OFFERS AND THEN PERHAPS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGING THE RESULTS OF THE ENTIRE SOLICITATION. THAT'S THAT'S MY MY ONLY CONCERN NOW. WE DO HAVE SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN THIS. OH WELL BEFORE I GO THOSE SAME NUMBERS ARE ALSO FINE. THIS PERCENTAGE IS TO RFP DOCUMENTS AS WELL OF COURSE. ALSO WELL WE ACTUALLY USE A POINT SCALE RATHER THAN REVIEWING THE PRICE THAT BE FIVE POINTS 2.5 POINTS SO FORTH AND SO ON THE EXCEPTIONS WE WOULD NOT WE WOULD NOT USE THIS AT ISSUE THIS ORDINANCE IN THE INCIDENTS WHERE VENDORS VENDORS ARE DEALING WITH PROPOSALS ARE BIDS FOR THE SOUTHEAST FLORIDA COOPERATIVE PURCHASING GROUP OR OTHER RECOGNIZED CONSORTIUMS. THE REASON BEING IS THOSE PARTICULAR GROUPS HAVE BYLAWS WHICH STATE IF YOU HAVE A VENDOR PREFERENCE OF ANY TYPE YOU CANNOT HOLD A CONTRACT WHEN YOU CANNOT OPEN YOUR CONTRACT UP TO THE ENTIRE CO-OPERATIVE BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN THE COOPERATIVE THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THOSE. ALSO FOR UTILIZING A STATE OR AN AGENCY CONTRACT NONE OTHER WISE A PIGGYBACK PROCESS OF SALT. ALSO THE MANY THERE ARE SEVERAL REGULATIONS. CHAPTER 2 CFR SECTION 200. I BELIEVE THERE'S ENOUGH. YEAH THEY THERE ARE SOME PROHIBITIONS AGAINST PREFERENCES WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND SOMETIMES THE STATE GOVERNMENT WAS PASSING THOSE FUNDS ALONG AND SO THAT ALSO GOES IN PART TO ANY ANY GRANT THAT WE MAY RECEIVE AND OTHER SITUATIONS ARE WHEN WE HAVE A SOLE SOURCE OF SINGLE SOURCE PURCHASES. AND THAT'S ALMOST A MOOT POINT BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE VENDOR THAT'S REALISTICALLY ECONOMICALLY AND ARE SPECIFICALLY TECHNICALLY EQUIPPED TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO THAT PARTICULAR IF THE VENDOR IS NONRESPONSIVE. IF THE IF THE ROBERT OR TAMARA VENDOR IS NONRESPONSIVE OR NON 
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RESPONSIBLE WE WOULD NOT APPLY THAT PREFERENCE. ALSO ALL BIDS THAT'S SUBMITTED THAT EXCEED THE BUDGET AMOUNT WOULD NOT FIT INTO THAT AREA BECAUSE WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE SOME OTHER PROVISIONS AT THAT POINT IN TIME EMERGENCY PURCHASES ALSO WOULD NOT FIT INTO THAT AREA. AND FINALLY WHEN YOU AS THE CITY MANAGER AND OR THE CITY COMMISSION MAY EXEMPT CERTAIN COMPETITIVE SOLICITATIONS FROM A LOCAL VENDOR PREFERENCES BECAUSE OF WHATEVER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES YOU ALL DETERMINE MAY FALL IN PLACE. BASICALLY THAT IS HOW THE ORDINANCE WOULD WORK AND FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUINN DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS YOU WANT TO SHARE. I'M SURE FOR THE RECORD QUINTIN MORGAN'S ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AS FAR AS I'M OUT I'LL ADDRESS THE THE CASE OF THE BROWARD COUNTY VENDOR WITHIN THE 2.5 PERCENT OF THE WINNING BID. WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE AND A TIGHT RESPONSE FROM THE DIFFERENT VENDORS THE PRICING IS SO SO TIGHT THAT THE ORDINANCE IS CREATED TO TO MAKE ALL VENDORS WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR 2.5 PERCENT YOU KNOW GAP SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS A LITTLE BIT. SO THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT WAS THAT EVERY VENDOR WITHIN THAT 2.5 PERCENT WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. THE IDEA THAT A PROTEST MAY OCCUR MAY IT MAY OCCUR BUT THE FACT THAT THEY ALL HAVE THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO SHOOT THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND WITH THEIR BEST AND FINAL OFFER WITHIN THE TIMEFRAMES GIVEN BY THE CITY WOULD NOT PROVIDE ANY SUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT TO ANY ONE VENDOR OVER THE OTHER. SO IT WOULD BE A GLOBAL RESPONSE VERSUS ONE VENDOR GIVEN THEIR RESPONSE LOOKING AT THEIR RESPONSE THEN ANOTHER VENDOR GOING IN LOWER THAN THAT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE WHERE ONE VENDOR WOULD HAVE A ADVANTAGE OVER THE OTHER BUT THE SOLUTION THAT HE OFFERED I DON'T HAVE A LEGAL ISSUE WITH THAT VENDOR THAT IS THE CLOSEST WITHIN THAT 2.5 PERCENT RANGE BE GIVEN THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR BEST AND FINAL OFFER. I DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL ISSUES WITH THAT. APPRECIATE THAT THANK YOU BECAUSE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ITEMS OF MY CONCERN HAS BEEN AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD IF YOU READ THAT WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A STEEL BED AND IT'S A COMPETITIVE BID THAT THE KNOWLEDGE THAT EVERYBODY PARTICIPATING IN THIS IS AWARE THAT THERE IS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT FINAL SALE BID FOR THEIR BASE IS ILLEGAL AND IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR OUR CITY. SO YOU THINK SO. THERE IS THE DISCUSSION I GUESS BETWEEN OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM AND OUR LEGAL TEAM THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED URGENTLY. IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BRING FORTH FOR A COMMISSION DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE ON HOW TO PROTECT OUR CITY AND PROTECT OUR VENDORS IN THE PROCESS. I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERN PRIOR TO BRINGING THE ORDINANCE HERE THIS MORNING AND WE DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE THE ISSUE BROUGHT BEFORE HE ON THE TABLE AS WELL AS KEEP THE ORDINANCE AS IT CURRENTLY READS SO YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT AND YOUR PREFERENCE TO THAT. 
          APPRECIATE VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I WILL TURN IT TO MY COLLEAGUES I KNOW THAT THE VICE MAYOR HAD A QUESTION WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT QUESTIONS SO HOW ARE YOU. IF YOU'RE NOT READY YET THEN I WILL TURN YOU. SO WHAT I SEE HERE IS NOT WHAT I ASKED FOR. THIS IS A TEMP TAMARACK LOCAL BUSINESS PREFERENCE AND SANDY MICHAEL MCDONALD WAS HERE AND TALKED ABOUT BROWARD COUNTY CERTIFIED BUSINESS ENTERPRISE PROGRAM. SO THE GOAL IS NOT TO GIVE ANY BROWARD COUNTY BUSINESS AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          THE GOAL IS TO GIVE BROWARD COUNTY SMALL BUSINESSES AN OPPORTUNITY CERTIFY SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE CERTIFIED WITH THE COUNTY SO SO. SO I DON'T SEE THAT HERE. 
          AND THAT ELIMINATES THIS TWO AND A HALF 2.5 PERCENT ISSUE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP. SO OUR FIRST POINT OF PRIORITY IS A TAMARACK LOCAL BUSINESS. AND OUR SECOND POINT OF PRIORITY IS A CERTIFIED COUNTY BUSINESS ENTERPRISE WITH BROWARD COUNTY GOVERNMENT. SO IF THEY'RE NOT. SO IF THEY'RE CERTIFIED THEN THEY GET FIVE POINTS IT'S WHEN I POINTS OUT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT BUT IF THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED 
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AND IT JUST FALLS UNDER THE REGULAR EVALUATION PROCESS WAS WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION MIKE. MY COMMENT IS THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE DOCUMENT I SEE SOMETHING HERE RETURN MY LOCAL VENDOR. I SEE NOTHING HERE FOR BROWARD COUNTY GOVERNMENTS CERTIFIED SMALL OR COUNTY BUSINESS ENTERPRISE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD JUST BE FOLDED IN WITH ALL THE OTHER BROWARD COUNTY BUSINESSES AND YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. I WOULD JUST SAY I'M SAYING THAT THERE SHOULD BE PREFERENCE FOR EITHER A TERM LIKE LOCAL BUSINESS OR SORT OF FIRE COUNTY BUSINESS ENTERPRISE NOT ANY OTHER BROWARD COUNTY BUSINESS OR ANY OTHER. I'M GOING TO ASK SOFTWARE VENDORS IF I COULD CLARIFY. SURE. SO WHAT I BELIEVE I'M HEARING FROM COMMISSIONER ALLEN IS THAT TAMARACK LOCAL PREFERENCE YES IT'S NOT FOR BROWARD COUNTY LOCAL PREFERENCE USE ONLY SPECIFICALLY SEEKING THOSE BUSINESSES IN BROWARD COUNTY THAT ARE CERTIFIED SMALL BUSINESSES WITH IN BROWARD COUNTY TO RECEIVE A PREFERENCE SIMILARLY ALONG THE LINES OF A LOCAL BUSINESS PREFERENCE THAT IS BEING CURRENTLY PROVIDED TO BROWARD COUNTY AS A HOME WRECKER. CORRECT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. OK. SO FOR THE RECORD AT. OUR DIRECTION WE THOUGHT OUR DIRECTION WAS WAS THIS ORDINANCE AND THAT'S FINE THAT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOME DIFFERENCES ON THAT WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS. SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IF WE CHANGED WHERE I SAID IN THE ORDINANCE BROWARD COUNTY TO CERTIFY BROWARD COUNTY LOCAL BUSINESS OUR SMALL BUSINESS CB OR AS HE CORRECTLY. THAT WOULD SATISFY YOUR YOUR PARTICULAR REQUEST. YEAH. AND IT WOULD ELIMINATE THIS ISSUE OF IF WE HAVE FIVE BROWARD COUNTY BUSINESSES WITHIN A 25 PERCENT RAISE WE'RE NOT LOOKING JUST FOR ANY KIND OF BUSINESS. WE'RE LOOKING TO SUPPORT LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES CERTIFIED SMALL BUSINESSES. SO WE LOOK AT THE MIRAMAR ORDINANCE YOU GET 5 PERCENT IF YOU'RE LOCAL TO MIRAMAR OR 5 POINTS 5 POINTS IF YOU'RE CERTIFIED AS A BROWARD COUNTY GOVERNMENT SMALL BUSINESS ENTERPRISE OKAY. MR. GUY IF I MAY ALSO JUST CLARIFY OR MAKE SURE I'M HEARING YES YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING FOR POINT STRUCTURE NOT PERCENTAGE DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN I MEAN I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER THEY FEEL IS BEST. WELL I'M I DON'T KNOW HOW THE SCORING SYSTEM HERE IS WHETHER IT'S A POINT STRUCTURE OR A PERCENTAGE STRUCTURE SO I'M FINE WITH THIS LANGUAGE AS LONG AS THE PREFERENCE IS FOR ONE TAMARACK LOCAL BUSINESS TO CERTIFY COUNTY SMALL BUSINESS ENTERPRISE AND ALSO SHARED NORTH MIAMI'S LOCAL BUSINESS PREFERENCE PROGRAM WHERE YOU SPEND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE DOLLARS WITH A LOCAL TAMARACK BUSINESS. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I HAVE A SLIGHT CONCERN FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I HEARD MR. MCDONALD SAY WHICH WHEN HE WAS GIVING HIS PRESENTATION I BELIEVE HE WAS SAYING THAT HE WAS NOT WISHING OR OUR CITY TO ADOPT THIS SMALL BUSINESS PROGRAM INTO OUR CITIES PROGRAM. SO WITH THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AND I RESPECT THAT BUT I ALSO RESPECT OUR COUNTY WHICH HAS A VERY STRINGENT PROGRAM IN THERE AND HOW TO BALANCE THAT WHEN WE HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT WE DO NOT INCORPORATE INTO OUR AUDIENCE HERE AND WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WE'RE JUST GIVEN PREFERENCE. THE COMPANIES WHO HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME CERTIFIED THROUGH THE COUNTY. SO IF THEY'RE CERTIFIED YOU GET THE POINT IF YOU'RE NOT SATISFIED YOU DON'T GET THE POINT. SO BASICALLY FROM WHAT I GATHER IT'S JUST POINT STRUCTURE IT'S NOT PREFERENCE ON WEIGHTS OR PERCENTAGE. IT DEPENDS ON THE CEO BETTER. 
          IT'S A REQUEST. SO. SO I'M SORRY. YES. SO IF IF A CERTIFIED SMALL BUSINESS BRYANT COUNTY WERE WITHIN 2.5 PERCENT OF THE LOWEST RESPONSE OF BID AND THERE IS NO LOCAL TAMARACK VENDOR WITHIN THE WITHIN 5 PERCENT OF THAT BID YOU'RE SAYING YOU'D WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A BEST AND FINAL OFFER ON THAT PARTICULAR PROCUREMENT. WELL WELL SO IF THERE'S NO TIME IF THERE'S NO TAMARACK BETTER THAN THE LOCAL CERTIFIED BROWARD COUNTY BUSINESS WOULD HAVE MORE PREFERENCE THAN A REGULAR BROWARD COUNTY. BUT THIS IS NOT CERTIFIED AS A SMALL BUSINESS. LET ME REPEAT. CORRECT. SO THERE IS NO LOCAL TAMARACK VENDOR. YES. THAT'S WITHIN THE 5 PERCENT. GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO LOWER THAN THE WINNING BID AND I'LL BE GENERAL AND MY IN MY LANGUAGE. OK. AND THERE IS A CERTIFIED BROWARD COUNTY SMALL BUSINESS VENDOR WITHIN 2.5 PERCENT. THE WAY THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY READS. IF IT'S A PRICE BID AND I'M USING GENERAL REWARDS YOU KNOW THEY WOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO BEST THAT BID BY 1 PERCENT. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. 
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YEAH. AND IF IT WERE A BID BASED ON SCORING THEY'D BE GIVEN THAT THAT SCORING THE RIGHT BORING PERCENTAGE OR MORE POINTS CORRECT. YES OK. ANYBODY ELSE GOT. WELL JUST AS MARIA I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE IDEA OF ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BID AND THEN YOU OPEN THE BIDS AND THEN YOU GO BACK AND ASK FOR BEST AND FINAL OFFER. TO ME THAT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF A SEALED BID. I WOULD THINK THE WHOLE POINT IS YOU COME IN WITH YOUR BEST BID AND I DON'T KNOW THE IDEA OF GOING BACK AND YOU KNOW REBUILDING. I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE. AND IF I TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE WE HAVE NO TAMARACK BIDDERS WE HAVE NO SMALL BUSINESS THERE. SO WE GO OUTSIDE OF THAT NOW DO WE GIVE THEM THE SAME OPTION. NO. 
          OKAY. SO HOW CAN YOU NOT PLAY FAIR THE PUBLIC POLICY. MARK I'M SORRY. I MEAN THE PUBLIC POLICY BEHIND IT IS TO PROTECT YOUR VENDORS AND YOUR LOCAL AREA SO THAT THEY CAN STAY IN BUSINESS. THEORETICALLY THEY EMPLOY RESIDENTS OF THE CITY WHICH WILL INCREASE YOU KNOW THE WHOLE POLICY POLICE SUPPORT THAT. I FULLY SUPPORT THAT. MY CONCERN IS THEN GOING BACK AND AND DOING THIS BIDDING WAR OF GIVING EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN WITH THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT BENEFITS ANYONE. SO IT'S NOT SHOULD THEY NOT COME IN WITH THEIR BEST AND FINAL OFFER TO BEGIN WITH. OUR CURRENT POLICY IS THAT YES THEY SHOULD BE RESPONDING WITH THEIR VERY BEST PRICING AND BEST OFFER AT THE ORIGINAL POINT NOW WHERE WE DO USE THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER. WE HAVE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE USED IT. THOSE ARE NORMALLY IN THE RFP TYPE OF PROCESSES IN WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT SITUATION AS WE MAY WE MAY BRING IN SEVERAL VENDORS FOR WHAT WE CALL ORAL PRESENTATIONS. THEY MAKE THE PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE A DISCUSSION THEY ARE ABLE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY PUT ON AN RFP IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN APPROACH THAT NECESSARILY A PRICE. AND SO AS WE GO SOMETIMES TO THE RECENT PATIENTS WE FOUND THAT THE VENDORS HAD FACTORED A LOT OF RISK INTO THEIR ORIGINAL PRICING FOR THAT RFP BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. BUT THE ORAL PRESENTATIONS USUALLY TELLING BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT FROM US AS MUCH AS THEY ASK THEM WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR AND AS WE'RE ABLE TO BETTER FOCUS. WE USUALLY DO FIND A FOCUS DURING THESE TYPES OF PRESENTATIONS WHERE WE ARE BETTER ABLE THAN TO SAY HERE SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS A CITY. NOW GIVE ME AT BEST AND FINAL OFFER BASED ON THIS. OK. THAT'S WHEN BEST AND FINAL OFFER HAS BEEN UTILIZED BY THE CITY OF TAMARA. OK. IN FACT THAT'S BEFORE THEIR INITIAL BID. THAT'S THAT IS USED AFTER THE PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN OPENED. WE GO THROUGH AN ORAL PRESENTATION STAGE AND THEN WE AS A CITY REALIZE THAT THERE IS A LOT THAT THESE FIRMS HAVE THROWN INTO THE PROPOSALS BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SO THEY ADDED THEY HAD A RISK FACTOR AND THEY'RE INTO THE PRICING. AND THAT'S FAIR. WE REDUCE THE RISK FACTOR GO BACK OUT AND SAY OKAY HERE'S HERE'S THE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR NOW. WE WE REVISED IT BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE ALL TOLD US DURING YOUR PRESENTATIONS AND NOW WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PROVIDE BASED ON THIS. USUALLY IT'S A NARROWER SCOPE AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS PROVIDE US WITH YOUR BEST WHILE ALSO BASED ON THIS PARTICULAR SCOPE WORK. AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS FROM THE VENDORS THEN. AND IN THAT CASE NONE OF THE VENDORS HAD BID ON THAT ARE SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL ON THAT ORIGINAL SCOPE OR SAY RIGHT. BUT NOW THEY'RE ALL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY'RE ALL RESPONDING TO THAT. OK. AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO GIVE EVERYBODY EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE SCOPE IS. I I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THAT FINAL BIT THAT CONCERNS ME AND I WOULD JUST ADD ONE LAST THING AND I'M I'M NOT OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE YOU'RE SURE THAT THE POLICY BEHIND THAT ORDINANCE IS IS LEGALLY SOUND. SO YOU JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT SAID ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU AND GIVE YOU COMPLETE. ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER GO ON WHICH IS TO SPEAK. YES WELL TO CLARIFY FOR VICE MAYOR AFLAC ALSO THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWING EVERYBODY TO REBID IT'S EVEN FOR THE LOCAL TAMARACK BUSINESS IF THEY'RE NOT 
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WITHIN 5 PERCENT THEN THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHANCE FOR A BETTER FINAL OFFER TO BE WITHIN THE 5 PERCENT SO IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER. SO THEY HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE VERY FIRST PLACE. THEY DON'T GET THERE UNLESS THEY MEET THAT GOAL RIGHT. RIGHT. DRILLING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT IF I MAY. I'D LIKE TO DIVIDE IT UP BETWEEN THE LOCAL PREFERENCE FOR TAMARACK VERSUS THE BROWARD COUNTY SMALL BUSINESS PREFERENCE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WILL HELP IN THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOUR CONCERNS. SO COMMISSIONER FISHMAN HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE LOCAL PORTION OF THIS FOR TAMARACK ONLY. I'M OKAY WITH IT. MR. YOU ROSEMARY. OK SO SEEING AS A WHOLE FOR THE CONCERNS AS THERE ARE NO CONCERNS WITH AS IT STANDS FOR THE LOCAL BUSINESS PRACTICES FOR TEMORA. HOWEVER THAT MISSION AGAIN I PROMISE MY PACE MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT BUT I THINK I SHARE WITH BOTH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ANY SIN CITY ATTORNEY. LANGUAGE FROM AN RFP THAT I'M BIDDING ON FROM THE CITY OF NORTH MIAMI WHERE THERE IS ADDITIONAL POINTS GIVEN IF A BUSINESS DECIDES IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN OFFICE IN TAMARACK. IF THEY DECIDE TO CONTRACT WITH A BUSINESS VENDOR IN TAMARACK THEY WILL STILL GET ADDITIONAL POINTS. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LANGUAGE ADDED TO THE LOCAL TAMARACK SECTION. WELL OK ON THAT ONE THAT'S IT SEPARATE ITEM BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN. I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY YOU'RE NOT IT'S NOT A TIME BUSINESS. IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO PARTNER WITH TAMARACK BUSINESS SO IF THERE ARE LEGAL SERVICES FOR SOME REASON THAT SAM'S OFFICE CANNOT DO AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE STRUCTURE WITH FLORIDA STATE OR AGREEMENTS. SO WE'RE NOT USING WEST ROAD OR ANY OF THE OTHER ONES. MY OFFICE IS HERE IN TAMPA. I HAVE A PLANTATION OFFICE OR A MIRAMAR OFFICE OR A HOLLYWOOD OFFICE ATTORNEY SAY TO ME I WOULD LIKE TO USE YOUR LAW FIRM. FORGET THE FACT THAT I'M THE MAYOR. THIS IS JUST WORKING. I WANT TO USE YOUR LAW FIRM TO CONTRACT SERVICES AND USE YOUR LOCATION IN ORDER TO GET A BETTER ABILITY TO DO SERVICES IN YOUR CITY. YES I MIGHT. THAT'S THE WAY IT INCENTIVIZES THE VENDOR TO DO BUSINESS WITH A LOCAL TAMARA BUSINESS. BUT HOW IS IT DOING A LOCAL TAMARA BUSINESS IF THEY'RE ONLY UTILIZING MY LOCATION. NO NO THEY'RE NOT UTILIZING A LOT. SO FOR EXAMPLE ON THE CONTRACT I'LL BE BIDDING ON NORTH MIAMI. I DON'T HAVE. 
          SO I WILL GET ADDITIONAL POINTS IF I WORK WITH A LOCAL NORTH MIAMI BUSINESS. SO FOR EXAMPLE IF I'M GOING TO PRINT OPEN ENROLLMENT BOOKLETS INSTEAD OF USING THE NORMAL PRINTER THAT I USE IN TAMARACK OR CALL SPRINGS I'M GOING TO CONTRACT WITH A PRINTER IN NORTH MIAMI AND THAT LOOK THAT PRINT WILL RECEIVE INCOME FROM ME BECAUSE I'M WORKING WITH THEM AND I'M GOING TO GET POINTS WITH THE FEET PROCESS FOR WORKING WITH THE LOCAL NORTH MIAMI BUSINESS SO AN EXAMPLE YOU'RE BRINGING UP GOREN ATTORNEYS WOULD SAY WE CAN'T DO THIS SERVICE. I CAN GO TO Y SIROTA IN HOLLYWOOD BUT INSTEAD I'M GOING TO GO WITH GOMEZ LAW FIRM BECAUSE SHE'S IN TAMARACK AND BECAUSE I'M MARCO AND GOMEZ LAW FIRM I'M GOING TO GET ADDITIONAL FIVE POINTS ON MY CAR ON MY SCORING WHICH WILL INCREASE THE CHANCE OF ME WINNING AND HELP A LOCAL BUSINESS IF I DO WIN. THAT'S THAT BALANCING ACT THAT IT'S OPTIONAL SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT BUT IF YOU DO IT YOU'VE GOT ADDITIONAL POINTS FOR SOME. SOMETIMES I'LL CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT SO THERE THERE'S THERE ARE FEES OUT THERE WITH THE MINORITY BUSINESS REQUIREMENT AND IF NOT NO REQUIREMENT BUT INCENTIVE. AND SO IF YOU HIRE ONE YOU CAN GET UP TO 10 POINTS IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO HIRE ONE YOU JUST WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT 10 POINTS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T WIN THE CONTRACT. AND I GUESS PART OF THAT'S GOING IN COUNTERINTUITIVE TO THE BROWARD COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE AS WELL SO IT'S KIND OF A LOT OF PIECES PUZZLE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE HAVING BEFORE US ON ON LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE. SO BEFORE WE GO TO YOUR ADD ON I WANT TO BRING IT BACK AROUND TO THE THE INCORPORATION OF OR CHANGE OR CHANGE OF THE ITEM THAT WAS BEFORE US WITH THE ORDINANCE BEING FOR A BROWARD COUNTY PREFERENCE WHICH IS BEING PASSED BY COMMISSIONER GALLON TWO AMENDED TO THE BROWARD COUNTY SMALL BUSINESS ENTITY THAT IS CERTIFIED TO BE PUT IN THAT PLACE. SO THAT WAS ALWAYS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WHY I HAD ASKED HIM TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CBT PROGRAM WHICH IS A CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. AND THEN I DON'T REALLY LOOK AT THIS THAT THIS THING IS AT ALL BECAUSE I HAD SHARED IT WITH CITY ATTORNEY I THINK 
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PRIOR TO OR SHORTLY AFTER THAT THAT MEETING TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE LOCAL PREFERENCE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS ONE THING THAT THE ITEM WAS NOT WORKSHOPPED FOR US TO DISCUSS. SO YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS AND AGREE TO ASK THEM TO DRAFT IT. SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT'S NOT IN HERE TODAY FOR US TO DISCUSS. BUT I'M NOT SAYING WE CANNOT DISCUSS IT RIGHT. JUST TRYING TO ORGANIZE IT UNDERSTAND OUR DISCRETION. SO PART OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES INTO MY HEAD IS AN WITH INCORPORATING THE REQUESTS BEING MADE BY COMMISSIONER GALLON OR THE WORDING AGAIN IT'S NOT A BOOTSTRAPPING IT'S NOT A PIGGY BACKING IT'S A FOR THE LEARNER PARTNERING. THANK YOU. YOU MEAN FOR HIS HIS SMALL BUSINESS CERTIFIED LANGUAGE. NO NOT FOR THAT ONE. OH OH FOR ALL THE OTHER. MY AUNT IS HAVING THAT LANGUAGE WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE BEFORE US FOR A DISCUSSION TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE OR NOT TO INCORPORATE AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT RANKING IN PRIORITY WHEN IT COMES TO ADDING ON. WE WOULD THEN BE CALLED DOING THREE DIFFERENT THINGS. LOCAL BUSINESS SMALL BUSINESS CERTIFIED AND NOW LOCAL BUSINESS PARTNERING WITH NOW NOT A BETTER BUSINESS VENDOR PARTNERING WITH A LOCAL BUSINESS. AND WHERE DOES THAT RANK BETWEEN A ONE TWO POINT FIVE OR ONE PERCENT FEEL BIDS AND ALL THAT. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS SQUIRRELLY I'M TRYING TO SEPARATE IT OUT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT I HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER GILL AND WAS FOR FOR BIDS SUCH AS THAT IT WOULD BE MORE OF THE VALUE TO TYPE BIDS WHICH HONESTLY ARE PEACE AND NOT THE COMPETITIVE AND THEY'LL BUSINESS AND NOT THE PRICE BIDS FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD WOULDN'T WORK SO WELL OR TBD I TYPE IS. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD HIM REALLY SAYING. NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO BUY PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND YOU GIVE A SPEC AND GIVE ME YOUR BEST PRICE NOT THAT TYPE OF BID. IF YOU'RE BIDDING INSURANCE SERVICES TYPE OF BID WHICH IS MORE EVALUATIVE TO THE QUALIFICATIONS AND THE RESPONSE OF THE BUSINESS OWNER IN MY MIND THAT'S PERSONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS WHICH PERSONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS GO TO THE BIDDER ITSELF VERSUS THE PARTNERSHIP IN A PROGRAM AS IF I'M HIRING COMMISSIONER GARLAND'S COMPANY TO DO THE BUSINESS I'M HIRING HIM TO DO THE BUSINESS. WHAT I HEAR IS PARTLY THROUGH HIS BUSINESS HE'S DOING UTILIZES A SUBCONTRACTOR FOR PARTS OF HIS BUSINESS AND THAT'S NOT THE PERSONAL SERVICES PARTS THAT HE'S TRYING TO GET PREFERENCE ON. IT'S FOR THE GOODS AND SERVICES GOODS VERSUS SERVICES IN YOUR LIFE. TO CLARIFY SO SO SO. IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE. SO SO IF I WANT TO GET THE ADDITIONAL POINTS LET'S SAY TAMARA I HAD THIS THIS PROGRAM IN PLACE AND I WAS BIDDING ON TAMARACK. I CAN POINT OPEN ENROLLMENT BOOKS ON MY OWN WITH MY OWN PRINTER OR IF I WANT TO INCREASE MY CHANCE OF WINNING THE CONTRACT AND IT SAYS I'LL GET FIVE OR 10 POINTS FOR WORK WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESS I CAN DECIDE YOU KNOW WHAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STAFF THERE AND THEY MAY NOT KNOW ME. I'M GOING TO WORK WITH A LOCAL TAMARACK BUSINESS AND CARVE OUT THIS PIECE OF MY WORK EVEN THOUGH I COULD DO IT MYSELF JUST TO INCREASE MY CHANCES OF WINNING THE CONTRACT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN'T DO IT. IT'S JUST THAT ME OR WHATEVER BUSINESS IN ORDER TO WRITE I GOT THAT WASN'T SAYING YOU'RE NOT CAPABLE I'M GONNA WRITE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S AN ENTICEMENT SITUATION IN ORDER TO GET THE BUSINESS IN THE LOCATION IN WHICH YOU WANT TO GET IT RIGHT OR TO HAVE THEM TO HAVE THEM INVEST IN A LOCAL BUSINESS WHICH IS MORE THAN BACK TO A LOCAL PREFERENCE THAN IT IS TO A SMALL BUSINESS CERTIFIED REFERENCE. IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR ANOTHER CARVE OUT WITH ANOTHER CARVE OUT JUST TO CLARIFY AND EXPAND THE TAMARACK LIKE LOCAL VENDOR EXPANSION. IT'S A STEP IN MY OPINION. SEPARATE. SEPARATE ITEMS TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LOCAL TO SAY IT'S IT'S A PARTNER RIGHT. RIGHT. 
          THERE WILL BE HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS SHARED SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FROM THE OTHER CITIES. IF YOU CAN EMAIL THAT LANGUAGE ALL RIGHT. IT MIGHT COME BACK TO WHERE WE JUST NEED TO SEE THIS ORDINANCE READ RISE AS A WHOLE IN ORDER TO HAVE A MORE COMPLETE CONVERSATION. AND IF THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS AVAILABLE FOR ITS ADAM IF I MAY BRIEFLY. THAT WAS OUR OBJECTIVE. THIS WAS NOT 
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PLACED ON ANY AGENDA BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SAID TO BE SPITEFUL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. BUT I CAN'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING UNLESS YOU SPEAK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY. AND YOU WORK AS A COLLEGIAL BODY AND UNFORTUNATELY YOUR INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS TO ME ALTHOUGH VERY VALID AND THOUGHTFUL DON'T DON'T MESH UNLESS YOU TAKE ACTION TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THEM A MAJORITY VOTE YES THE COMMISSIONER SHARED SEVERAL DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS WITH ME WHICH I APPRECIATE AND I SHARED THEM WITH WHEN WE LOOKED AT THEM BOTH TOGETHER AND THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE VERY DOABLE IN THOSE THOSE VENUES. YOU ALSO ASKED ME ABOUT OTHER VENUES WE REPRESENT. WE SHARED THAT WITH THEM AS WELL. THIS AUDIENCE LOOKS A LOT LIKE NUMBER OPINES IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT MATTERS IT LOOKS LIKE OAKLAND PARK. WHY YOU ASK. WELL BECAUSE WE REPRESENT THOSE CITIES. WE DIDN'T DUPLICATE THE WHEEL WAS NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WAS HAD IN MIND BECAUSE THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME OF THE WORKSHOP DIDN'T WANT TO EMBRACE THE FULL SB AUDIENCE OF THE COUNTY. I HEARD THAT THE COMMISSION HEARD THAT AS WELL BUT THIS NUANCE HE'S ASKING FOR. HE'S ASKING FOR IS RIGHT THAT'S FOR THE. ELSE THAT'S FRANKLY WHAT I PUT I'D LIKE TO SAY THEN GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALL COLLABORATED AT THIS POINT HAS HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE LAWYERS WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAFTSMAN LIKE TABLE THAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE FIND AND WRITE IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE TO HEAR TODAY AND REOPEN THE DOOR FOR CONVERSATION LATER. BUT ABSENT THIS DISCUSSION WE CAN'T KNOW WHAT. WE'VE HAD BY THE WAY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE WILL HAVE THIS KIND OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE GUIDEPOST AT LEAST MOVE ON FURTHER INCLUDING OUR ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH STAFF BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY IN THIS REGARD ALTHOUGH WE RESPECT STAFF IMMEASURABLY EVEN I DID NOT AGREE SPECIFIC THINGS ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THE AUDIENCE. BUT IT WAS NOT HIS THE DEBATE IT WAS YOURS TO DISCUSS. AND ALONG THOSE LINES THAT I I'M SENSING WE'RE GONNA BE SENDING THIS BACK TO YOU. BUT BEFORE I DO SO WHEN IS BEING CONTEMPLATED ONE OF THE THINGS I PURCHASING AND CONTRASTING IS NOT MY JOB. I GET THAT BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A DETAILED JOB THAT DEALS WITH VALIDATION AUDITING A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT GO IN THAT AFTER A POLICY OR PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE BY THIS COMMISSION. YOU HAVE TO WORK AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE ALL IS IN LINE ALL AT ALL THAT ALL IS IN LINE. SO WHEN MY REQUEST AND I WILL CONFIRM THIS WITH THE COMMISSION AS YOU DO THIS AND I'M SURE THIS IS WHAT YOU DO ANYWAY WHATEVER ORDINANCE YOU'RE GOING TO BRING BACK WITH TO US WORKS ALONG THOSE LINES THAT HAVE MEASURABLE STEPS TO KEEP OUR PROCUREMENT IMPROPER ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PROTECT THE PROCESS AND YOUR JOBS OF WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR US. I'VE GOT UNDERSTANDING CONSENSUS FROM THE SIDE VICE MAYOR I KNOW YOU WERE CONCERNED WITH THE SB CERTIFIED. YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEFER THAT UNTIL THE NEXT TIME WHEN THIS IS BROUGHT FORTH BY YOUR CONSENSUS TO GO BACK AND BRING IT FORWARD. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BOLTON HAVE IT BE REVISED TO BRING BACK TO US THERE IS CONSENSUS IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. SO JUST TO CLARIFY WE'RE GOING TO REVISE THE ORDINANCE TO REMOVE A GENERIC BY OUR ACCOUNTING VENDOR AND PUT THE SMALL BUSINESS VENDOR IN ITS STEAD AND WE ALSO ARE GOING TO ADD IN A LOCAL BUSINESS INCENTIVE SUCH AS WHAT NORTH MIAMI IS DOING IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE AUDIENCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE WORKING WITH OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PRACTICES AND WORDING AND VERBIAGE WOULD BE BEST FOR US AS A CITY TO ACCOMPLISH I UNDERSTAND THAT I FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT DIRECTION YOU WANT US TO DRAFT THIS ORDINANCE WITH AS YOU CAN PARTICULARLY TELL YOU ABOUT MIAMI BECAUSE I'VE NOT READ IT. NO NOT NOT NOT THAT PARTICULAR ORDINANCE BUT THE PRACTICE OF PARTNERING. SO FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD WITH WHAT THEY LOCAL VENDOR IF YOU'RE NOT A LOCAL VENDOR THERE'S BEEN THE REQUEST FOR LANGUAGE FOR US TO REVIEW TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT WE CAN ADD IT IN AS A MATTER OF LIKE A LIKE A LIKE A MENU SO TO SPEAK. RIGHT. PICK AND CHOOSE FROM THE SMORGASBORD WHICH THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YOU COULDN'T HEAR THE STOMACH GROWLING WHO IS HUNGRY. YES GIVE US A SMORGASBORD. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL OF IT. PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH A SMORGASBORD. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING. I WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND SEEING THAT THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO OUR 
          [5. Legislative Aide Discussion]
NUMBER FIVE LEGISLATIVE SESSION WITH OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR LORENZO CALHOUN AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND QUINTIN MORGAN WILL YOU BE SAYING YOU WILL BE OUR GUEST. 
          THANK YOU. HE WAS PART OF THIS AUDIENCE AS WELL ALONG WITH OTHERS MY OFFICE AND START TO RESHAPE THE CAMARADERIE READING ON IT SAFETY IN NUMBERS. I'VE GOT TO GET MY 
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MORNING MADAM MAYOR. MADAM VICE MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION LORENZO CALHOUN DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. LAVERNE IF YOU COULD HAVE A SMALL POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND I DO MEAN SMALL CHECK THE LIBRARY PLEASE. DO WE NEED A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. NO I ACTUALLY PASSED OUR COFFEES. WE CAN MOVE THIS RIGHT ALONG. FOR PURPOSES OF OUR DISCUSSION I'LL SHARE A COPY WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY IN THE MORNING BEFORE YOU. IS THAT ITEM A REFERENCE TO A FOLLOW UP FROM OUR MEETING ON THE APRIL 8TH I WAS CHARGED WITH BRINGING BACK INFORMATION REGARDING THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF ADDING ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT FOR THE MAYOR AND COMMISSION. DOES EVERYONE HAVE A HANDOUT. I WANT TO BE SURE BEFORE I MOVE ON. EXCELLENT GOING BACK. I LOOKED AT THE MARKET AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION AN ANALYSIS OF THE INFORMATION BRINGING ON A PART TIME TEMPORARY ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IS WHAT I'M CALLING IT. NOT TO CONFUSE THEIR DUTIES OR TITLE BECAUSE I'LL GET TO HAVE ON THE NEXT SLIDE TO BRING ON A WHAT IS NOW CALLED A LEGISLATIVE AIDE. WE ARE LOOKING AT A RANGE OF SEVENTEEN THIRTY SEVENTEEN DOLLARS AND THIRTY CENTS AN HOUR TO TWENTY DOLLARS AN HOUR AND THAT WILL BE BASED ON RELATED ADMINISTRATIVE OR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. AGAIN THAT'S A TEMPORARY PART TIME OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR BENEFITS 20 HOURS A WEEK IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THE EMPLOYEE WILL WORK THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND THEY'D HAVE TO MEET MINIMUM REQUIRED REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS THANK YOU BUT THANK YOU. WHICH ARE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA OR EQUIVALENT WITH TWO YEARS OF SOME SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE OR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. AND AS WE DISCUSSED A FEW MEETINGS AGO IT WOULD INVOLVE COMMISSIONER INPUT FOR A SECOND INTERVIEW AND WE WOULD GIVE YOU ONE TO TWO CANDIDATES TO REVIEW THE TOP TWO CANDIDATES TO REVIEW AND THAT POOL TO FOR YOUR SELECTION. NOW THEY WOULD ALSO BE ASSIGNED TO YOUR RESPECTIVE ELECTED OFFICIAL BUT STILL BE AN EMPLOYEE UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE SO I'VE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH TWO OPTIONS ONE OF WHICH YOU'LL SEE IS OPTION NUMBER TWO WE WERE ALSO DIRECTED TO REVISE THE CODE TO TAKE BACK FOR APPROVAL BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME BECAUSE YOU NEED ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS RATHER EXTEND IN A RATHER EXPEDIENT FASHION MY RECOMMENDATION OR AN OPTION THAT I PROPOSE TO YOU WOULD BE TO LEAVE THE CALL THE CODE A STATUS QUO WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO MAINTAIN UP TO THREE VOLUNTEERS PER COMMISSIONER AND WE WOULD IN TURN CREATE IF YOU SO DESIRED FIVE TEMPORARY PART TIME POSITIONS OR FOUR IF THAT'S DESIRABLE. THREE BASED ON YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE A WHAT I AM CALLING A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON IF YOU'RE NOT IN LOVE WITH THE TITLE I KNOW YOU YOU REMEMBER SAYING THAT YOU WEREN'T MARRIED TO LEGISLATIVE AIDES. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON WOULD CAPTURE WHAT WE WANT THE CANDIDATES TO DO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          OPTION NUMBER TWO IS WE WOULD DIRECT THAT WAS TO REVIEW THE CODE SO THAT YOU COULD REBUT. YOU CAN REVIEW IT SAM AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS DONE SO FOR YOUR REVIEW AND IF YOU DIRECT US TO DO SO WE WOULD TAKE THAT CODE REVISION TO TWO COMMISSION MEETINGS FOR APPROVAL AND AT THAT TIME I CAN ADVERTISE UPON THE SECOND READING IN APPROVAL. THAT WOULD CREATE FIVE TEMPORARY PART TIME POSITIONS WHICH ARE KNOWN AS LEGISLATIVE AIDES THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M NOT SURE IF SAM OR QUENTIN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE REVISED CODE AT THIS TIME. I'D BE DELIGHTED TO DO THAT WITH AMERICAN CONDITIONS PERMISSION. LEGAL OR LEGAL ELA LEGAL REPRESENTATION OR THE LEGAL JOURNEY FROM WHAT YOU DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING. IT DOES TWO VERY IMPORTANT THINGS. IT REPEALS THE EXISTING ORDINANCE IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECTION. WE KEPT IT SIMPLE BECAUSE THE CONDITION WE BELIEVE WAS LOOKING FORMALLY AT OPTION 2 IS AN OPTION. IT DELETES ANYTHING THAT EXISTS IN THE DASH 32 AND REPLACES IT WITH THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE UNDER TWO DASH 32 CITY COMMISSIONERS ARE ENTITLED TO UTILIZE THE SERVICES OF INDIVIDUALS TO BE REFERRED TO AS LEGISLATIVE AIDES WHO SHALL BE TEMPORARY PART TIME EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY ASSIGNED AND DEDICATED TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSIONERS. AND THAT'S IT. NOW THERE 
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ARE OTHER OPTIONS AND YOU HEARD THIS MORNING PROPOSE A PROPOSAL FROM STAFF THROUGH LORENZO CALHOUN AN ADMINISTRATION REGARDING AN OPTION THAT HAS THE CLARITY WITH HIS PRESENTATION ON BASED ON THE POWERPOINT. WE'RE HAPPY TO BE DIRECTED EITHER WAY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMMISSION'S ULTIMATE DIRECTION AND GUIDEPOST IS. CERTAINLY THE OPTION WE PROVIDED FOR IN THE CODE PROPOSED CODE REVISION REPRESENTS WHAT WE BELIEVE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED BY THE MAYOR AND COMMISSION OPTION 1 IS THE DISCUSSION WHICH THE ADMINISTRATION HAS PROPOSED AS AN OPTION TO GET THINGS MOVING MORE QUICKLY BOTH OF WHICH ARE LEGALLY VIABLE AND WHICH ARE LEGALLY DOABLE DEPENDING UPON EFFECTIVELY ADOPTING AUDIENCES TO DO THAT. UNDER LORENZO'S OPTION NO ONE WOULD BE NO AUDIENCE CHANGE AT ALL. YOU SIMPLY BE HIRING PEOPLE BASED UPON THAT OPTION. AS I SEE IT MR. RIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT SAME LINE FROM THE LAST ONE SO I LOOK FOR OTHERS TO SEE IF THEY'VE LEFT THEY HAVE NOT. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TIMEFRAME BETWEEN OPTIONAL AND OPTION TO THE OPTION ONE. IF YOU SO DESIRED WOULD ALLOW ME TO ADVERTISE RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S A TWO WEEK PERIOD THAT WE ADVERTISE AND WE WOULD SCHEDULE INTERVIEWS AT THE AT THE CLOSE OF THAT TWO WEEK PERIOD. WE COULD TURN IT AROUND PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX WEEKS AND THE REASON I SAY FOUR TO SIX WEEKS THESE CANDIDATES WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO A BACKGROUND CHECK AND THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF THAT THEY HAVE A VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE. ONE OF THE THINGS I DID NOT MENTION AS WELL. WE WILL MEET WITH EACH COMMISSIONER AND WHATEVER WE LIKE TO CALL THEM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LIKE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISONS TO HAVE WHAT I CALL A ONBOARDING PROCESS KIND OF A RULES OF THE ROAD TALK ABOUT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE EMPLOYEE MAY HAVE WHEREAS ON THE FLIPSIDE OR REVISING THE ORDINANCE OR THE CODE HAS TO GO TO TWO READINGS WHICH I AM NOT CERTAIN IF IT COULD GO INTO WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA AND THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK FOR A SECOND READING AT THE FOLLOWING MEETING AND THEN THE ADVERTISER WILL BE POSTED FOR TWO WEEKS AND THE REGULAR PROCESS WILL BE FOLLOWED IF I MAY INTERJECT ON THAT REGULAR PROCESS TO BE FOLLOWED WHICH INCLUDE A PUBLIC HEARING. I LIKE COMMENTS ON THE ORDINANCE TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING YES. SECOND SECOND READING AS REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE. CORRECT. YES. HOW DO THE HOURLY WAGE AS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES AND THEIR AIDES OR ASSISTANTS WE UTILIZE THE ANALYSIS THAT WE CONDUCTED WOULD UTILIZE OTHER CITIES THEY RESPONDED TO OUR SURVEY AND THEIR PART TIME HOURS AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS RANGE. SO THEY ARE VERY KIND. THEY'RE COMPARABLE ABOVE OR BELOW THE MEDIAN AT THE MEDIAN. I WOULD SAY PROBABLY TWENTY DOLLARS AN HOUR FOR AN EXPERIENCED PERSON WITH EXPERIENCE IS PROBABLY THE AVERAGE BUT AGAIN IF YOU WANTED TO BRING SOMEBODY IN WITH JUST THE BASICS JUST MEETS THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS THEY WILL PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE BEGINNING AND SOMEWHERE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. AND ARE WE GOING TO HAVE INPUT ON THE JOB DESCRIPTION OR THE JOB DESCRIPTION. HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK. I HAVE STARTED A DRAFT OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION. I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD TRUST ME TO COME UP WITH THAT SCENE AS IT IS IN MY PURVIEW AND WHAT I AM DOING IS MAKING SURE I DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE PART TIME EMPLOYEES AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE WHO'S FULL TIME SO THAT THE DUTIES ARE NOT OVERLAPPING THEY REALLY ARE COMPLEMENTING EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL AND THE PERSON IN THE OFFICE. AND THEN DO YOU HAVE WITH YOU OR DO YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF THE CITY'S TOTAL NUMBER IN TERMS OF DIFFERENTIATION IN TERMS OF THOSE WHO REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE COMMISSIONER AND THOSE THAT REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE TO THEIR RESPECTIVE CITIES. THERE WERE I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER. I KNOW THERE WERE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT WITHOUT WHAT I HAVE IN THE INFORMATION I CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT TO ALL OF YOU. ALL RIGHT. AN EMAIL I TELL YOU ROSEMARY THANK YOU. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND WE'VE HANDLED THAT I WOULD LIKE US NOT TO BE SHORT SIGHTED AND THINK AHEAD A LITTLE BIT. THERE MAY BE A TIME IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF VOLUNTEER LEAD. JUST LEGISLATIVE AIDES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THAT IN THERE. THERE MAY BE A TIME WHEN THERE WERE THERE ARE COLLEGE KIDS 
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THAT MAY LIKE THE EXPERIENCE. WE MAY LIKE TO TAKE THEM ON. SO IF WE DO AWAY WITH THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THAT. SO IN MY OPINION I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THAT AS IT IS AND GO WITH OPTION 1. IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT OUR DEPARTMENT THROUGH DIRECTIVES FROM THE CITY MANAGER WE HAVE BEEN PARTNERING WITH DIFFERENT UNIVERSITIES AND HIGH SCHOOLS AND TRYING TO KIND OF PEAK THE INTERESTS IN GOVERNMENT SO THAT WOULD BE A KEY OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD DO THAT. I THINK IT. WHY. DID I DO THAT. I DEFINITELY LIKE THAT OPTION. I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO REACH OUT TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE GET THEM INVOLVED IN GOVERNMENT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT TIME. AND I THINK IN MY OPINION WE SHOULD LEAVE THAT AS IT IS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I TOO AM LEANING TOWARDS OPTION ONE. I THINK IT'S NOT ONLY IS IT QUICKER IT'S CLEANER. I LIKE HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE LEGISLATIVE AIDES FOR YOUNG STUDENTS OR PERHAPS SOME OF MY RETIREES THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. RIGHT NOW THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY AND GO ON YOUR SLIPPED AGAIN. YES THING I WANT TO ADD IS GET CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD IF WE CAN. INSTEAD OF SAYING 20 HOURS PER WEEK MAXIMUM WE CAN REWORD THAT TO UP TO 25 HOURS PER WEEK BECAUSE WE MAY NEED MORE THAN 20 HOURS A WEEK BUT WE CAP IT AT TWENTY FIVE WEEKS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST UP TO TWENTY FIVE HOURS A WEEK SO MIGHT BE 20 SOME WEEKS MIGHT BE 25 AND THAT'S IT. OK. THANK YOU. COMMISSION ON COMMISSION. OKAY SO LOOKING AT BOTH OPTIONS. OPTION 1 AND 2 IS THERE. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WHATEVER OPTION WE SELECT THAT LETS SAY THE TWO OF US ONCE AND LEGISLATIVE AIDE OR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS ON BUT LEAVE THE OTHER THREE DOES NOT PARTICULARLY WANT. NOW WILL WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO HIRE AND LATER. SO WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO HIRE NOW OR AT A LATER DATE. YES. SO ABSOLUTELY WE CAN DO THAT. YES. YES. OKAY. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE. AND THEN WITH EITHER OPTION HIGHER AS NEEDED OR GIVE THE PROJECTS AS NEEDED FOR INSTANCE IN MY OFFICE I MAY NOT HAVE DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES THAT I WANT THAT PERSON TO DO. I MAY NOT WANT THAT PERSON TO ATTEND MY MEETINGS OR RETURN PHONE CALLS BUT I WANT THEM FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS IN MY OFFICE. FOR INSTANCE THERE IS A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT BIKE LANES AND I WANT TO GET SOME MORE INTEL ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT PHONE CALLS TO BE MADE. IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT STAFF MEMBER OR THAT LEGISLATIVE AIDE COULD BE ONLY BROUGHT IN WHEN I NEED WHEN I HAVE THE NEED FOR SPECIAL PROJECT. THAT'S ONE OF THE. YOU'RE GETTING AHEAD OF ME. THAT'S ONE OF THE BULLET POINTS IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS FOR SOMEONE TO WORK ON SPECIAL PROJECTS SUCH AS THAT NATURE AND HENCE THE REASON WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY'RE TEMPORARY PART TIME EMPLOYEES. SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. 
          AN AIDE TO THE COMMISSIONER THROUGH THE MAYOR. MAKE SURE YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. ALSO WE DID DISCUSS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED AND REVISED IT SPECIFICALLY LEGALLY PROVIDES FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY OUR TIME TEMPORARY ETC. WHICH GIVES SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE SIDE OF THE EQUATION WHICH IS NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH OPTION 1 OK. SO IF I'M ONLY BRINGING THE INDIVIDUAL FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS WHEN THAT SPECIAL PROJECT IS COMPLETED DO WE TERMINATE THAT 
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PERSON AND THEN HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE OR DO WE BRING IN THE SAME PERSON OR SPECIAL PROJECTS AS NEEDED. THE PLEASURE IS YOURS. I THINK ONCE YOU BRING ON A TEMPORARY PART TIME PERSON THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH YOU WOULD LET ME KNOW THAT I HAVE A SPECIAL PROJECT AT THIS TIME OR THE CITY MANAGER LET US KNOW YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PROJECT AND THIS IS THE DURATION OF THE PRODUCT PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN LET THE PERSON KNOW UPFRONT OR THE CANDIDATE KNOW UPFRONT THAT IT IS A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND THAT THEY MAY BE CALLED BACK FOR OTHER PROJECTS. AND IF I BRING IN OTHER PEOPLE OVER TIME FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND SPECIAL PROJECTS WOULD IT BE WOULD IT BE A PROBLEM OR TOO MUCH WORK FOR H.R. TO BE HIRING OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND BRINGING INTO BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF WOULD BE WOULD IT BE TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN ON EACH OTHER. I WOULD NEVER SAY IT'S A BURDEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. OKAY. ONE THING I DO WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND COMMISSIONER IS THE TIMING. SO IF YOU BROUGHT IN SO IT'D BE ADVANTAGEOUS IF YOU FOUND SOMEONE YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH SO THAT THEY COULD GO TO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THAT WAY WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL SO TO SPEAK WHEN YOU HAD ANOTHER SPECIAL PROJECT. WHEREAS IF YOU BRING SOMEONE IN NEW IF YOU LET US KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT WOULD HELP TO CUT DOWN THAT TIMEFRAME BUT IT WOULD BE MORE TIME INVOLVED TO BRING IN A NEW INDIVIDUAL. GOING TO OPTION TWO AND PROBABLY THIS IS A QUESTION FOR SOME ALTHOUGH YOU ARE A FABULOUS ATTORNEY AS WELL. THANK YOU. BUT I PLAY ONE ON TELEVISION. IS THERE ANYTHING ANYTHING THAT RAMS US FROM SEEING IN THE REDRAFTED ORDINANCE THAT LEGISLATIVE AIDES CAN BE PAID AND UNPAID BECAUSE I HEAR THE I HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANT TO RESERVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE UNPAID STAFF. SO WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS LEGISLATIVE AIDES CAN BE PAID AND ALSO UNPAID. AND THAT IS UP TO WHAT THE COMMISSION WHAT THE COMMISSIONER. SO LONG. AND THEY RESPOND MADAM MAYOR. SO LONG AS IS NOT A CONFLICT WITH DEPARTMENT OF LABOR REQUIREMENTS AND LORENZO AND I WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO FRICTION BETWEEN THAT SITUATION. YOU KNOW PART TIME PEOPLE I THINK NEED TO BE SENT PAST THE LIMIT HOW MUCH PART TIME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS. AS YOU MAY HAVE IN THE SAME THEORETICAL OFFICE IF A PART TIMER IS GETTING PAID A ONE WHO'S DOING IT VOLUNTARILY IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO PUT IN AN ORDINANCE THE ANSWER IS IT CAN BE DONE. THE ANSWER IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY FRICTION WITH OR A CONFLICT WITH DEPARTMENT LABOR REQUIREMENTS WHICH WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION HERE BUT I THINK IT'S LEGALLY DOABLE AT LEAST FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE IT CAN BE DONE OK. ALL RIGHT I DO. THAT'S CORRECT. IF I MAY I KNOW WHAT ROAD YOU'RE GOING DOWN. IF IT'S SELF I'D TELL ME IF I'M GOING DOWN A ROAD TO FAST SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY YOU'RE YOU LIKE THE LEGISLATIVE A TITLE AND YOU WANT TO HAVE PAID VERSUS UNPAID WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE. RIGHT. SO I'M ALL ABOUT FOR IT FOR THIS PURPOSE SUCCESSION PLANNING. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE SO TO SPEAK IN DISTRICT 1 HAS THE PROPER TOOLBOX TO LEARN THE RULES OF THE ROAD AND TO UNDERSTAND HOW COMMISSION WORKS AND UNDERSTAND THE LAW AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE EXPERTS IN THE LAW. BUT TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS I THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE IF THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TO RUN BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE QUALIFICATIONS THE NECESSARY QUALIFICATIONS OR KNOW HOW WOULD WANT TO LOOK FOR THAT PERSON TO CONTINUE THE PROGRESS THAT OUR SLEAZE IS MAKING. SO I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL. SO I MEAN PEOPLE YOU KNOW DON'T HAVE 
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A PROBLEM WITH BEING PAID OR OR UNPAID. AND IF WE HAVE IF WE MAKE THE IF YOU SPELL SPLIT CLEARLY THAT HE YOU KNOW SOME ARE PAID OR SOME AREN'T PAID. I MEAN ONCE THEY ACCEPT THAT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. SO I MEAN I'D LIKE TO SEE THE RESEARCH DONE IF IT PLEASES THE MAYOR TO RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE RESEARCH DONE WHETHER THERE WOULD BE FRICTION WHERE LABOR LAWS ARE CONCERNED IF SOME LEGISLATIVE AIDES ARE PAID OR THAT THAT VERIFY AND THEY MET A MAYOR UNDER THE CURRENT CODE RELATED TO THE AIDES THEY'RE NOT PAID THAT'S I THINK THE COMMISSION IS TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET THERE THEORETICALLY WHICH WOULD BE PAID AND UNPAID. THAT'S THE PRINCIPLE DESTINATION. CAN I CLARIFY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS THAT HE SUPPORTS ITEM NUMBER ONE AT THIS TIME BUT HE ALSO WANTS TO ADD AN ITEM NUMBER TO AMENDING OUR CODE FOR LEGISLATIVE AIDS TO BE PAID OR UNPAID. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING. AS LONG AS THEY DON'T RUN AFOUL OF LABOR LAW THAT WHAT I'M HERE I'M NOT QUITE SO I WOULD SUPPORT OPTION 2 THAT GIVES LEGISLATIVE AIDES THE ABILITY TO BE UNPAID OR PAID. SO SO IT CURRENTLY SAYS THAT YOU'RE ON PAID. SO ALL YOU'RE DOING IS SAYING LEGISLATIVE AIDES CAN BE PAID OR ONLY SO. SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD THEN ACHIEVE WHAT WE ARE DOING AND OPTION 1 AND IT WOULD ACHIEVE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR. TO STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO COME IN AND WORK FOR FREE IS WHAT I'M SEEING. SO THEY WOULD NOT LOSE THAT ABILITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY WORK FOR FREE. THEY WOULD STILL ENTERTAIN PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT TO COME IN AND VOLUNTEER SO TO SPEAK OVER THE SUMMER. 
          MADAM MAYOR IF I MAY BE THE COMMISSIONER IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE THAT'S IN PLACE NOW BEFORE AMENDMENT 2 DASH 32 ACTUALLY SAYS AIDS MAY NOT BE CITY EMPLOYEES AND IF THE WAY THAT I DRAFTED IT WAS I REPEALED ALL OF WHAT'S IN TO THAT'S 32 AND JUST SIMPLY I COULD ADD IF YOU IF IT BE YOUR WISH TO LEAVE THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE WHICH WOULD BE TO BE REFERRED TO AS LEGACY OF AIDS WHO SHALL BE TEMPORARY PART TIME EMPLOYEES BUT ALSO ADD YOU CAN HAVE VOLUNTEERS THAT CAN ADD LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR THAT BECAUSE UNDER THE CURRENT CODE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THEY CAN'T BE CITY EMPLOYEES UNDER UNDER THE PAID SCENARIO. THEY WOULD BE NO IF YOU IF YOU WERE TO TAKE TWO DOLLARS THIRTY TWO AS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED. REPEAL IT YOU CAN SIMPLY ADD LANGUAGE IN THAT SECTION TO REFLECT THE TEMPORARY PART TIME OR VOLUNTEERS. SO THAT WOULD WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT OPTION 1 AN OPTION TO ACTUALLY COULD RUN TOGETHER. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WITH ACCEPTING BOTH OPTIONS. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT OPTION 1 DOES NOT HAVE THE FIRST BULLET THAT SAYS LEAVE THE COURT IS STATUS QUO BECAUSE THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE CAVEAT BECAUSE IF I SAY OPTION ONE I'M SAYING I'M LEAVING THE THERE. YES. YEAH. SO. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M HAVING TROUBLE. SO THROUGH THE CHAIR IF WE COULD WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AMEND THE ORDINANCE IT IS AS IT EXISTS BECAUSE THERE ARE THERE ARE PARAMETERS IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WHICH REQUIRE THE VOLUNTEER TO BE A TRADEMARK RESIDENT. THERE THERE. 
          THERE ARE SOME ANTIQUATED. WELL IF YOU WRITE ABOUT JUST CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION GETS ABSOLUTE MINOR ITEMS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN EXPRESSED. NO I HAVE NOT EXPRESSED MY YES. WHEN IT COMES TO THE CODE BANK BANK MAYOR JUST. I MEAN I JUST WANTED TO ASK COMMISSIONER BOLTON THE QUESTION I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE GET WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR. CORRECT. YES SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT COME BACK TO YOU THAT WE'VE GOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT IN THERE. CORRECT. WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON SLASH LEGISLATIVE AIDE THAT WOULD BE PAID. OK. WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS YOU WANTED THE ABILITY 
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TO UTILIZE THAT PERSON THAT EMPLOYEE ON WHAT I'LL CALL A CASE BY CASE BASIS IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT YOU WANT TO ASSIGN THEM THE PROJECT AND HAVE THEM WORK ON THE PROJECT NOT NECESSARILY WORKING ALL THE TIME BUT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASSIGN THEM A PROJECT AND WE ESTABLISHED THAT THAT WAS OK. YES OK. BUT WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS THAT YOU MAY HAVE YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE THOSE PROJECTS TO MORE THAN ONE PERSON. DID I HEAR YOU. DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY. YES SOMETIMES. SO YOU KNOW SO. 
          SO IF I IF I HAVE A PROJECT AND THAT I'M NOT I'M WORKING ON. THEN WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE COLLABORATING UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE PETER OR OMB. 
          OKAY. I JUST I WANT TO JUST BE SURE BECAUSE FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHO YOU WOULD BE DESIGNATING IS GETTING PAID. I WASN'T CLEAR IF IT WAS JUST ONE PERSON WHO WAS GOING TO BE PAID OR IF YOU WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE PROJECTS TO SEVERAL PEOPLE AND HAVE THEM GET PAID FOR THE PROJECT THAT THEY DID. REASON BEING IF THAT'S THE CASE I THINK THAT'S FINE. WELL WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO IDENTIFY THOSE PEOPLE RECRUIT THEM HIRE THEM AND HAVE THEM READY TO GO FOR YOU. WE CAN'T TRY TO HIRE SOMEONE EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR SO THAT WE GET THAT RIGHT FOR YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT WILL BE FINE. LIKE IF IF YOU RECOGNIZE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE BRIGHT INTELLIGENT SMART YOU KNOW COMMITTED WITTY YOU KNOW THEY THEY CAN YOU KNOW THAT CAN BE HARD AND HAVE THAT STATUS SO THAT WHEN THE TIME FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS COME AROUND YOU CAN PULL THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THEY CAN BE INCENTIVIZED. GOOD. WHICH IS WHICH IS ON THE SCENE. AND THAT GIVES THE ABILITY TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE NOT HERE FOREVER. RIGHT. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN I'M NOT HERE THAT WHOEVER WANTS TO RUN FOR OFFICE NOT THAT THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT ANYBODY CAN RUN FOR OFFICE AND ANYBODY CAN WIN. BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN BECOMING A COMMISSIONER FOR THE RIGHT REASONS WOULD HAVE THE TOOLBOX TO GO FORWARD. THAT'S JUST MY THINKING. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THEIR THINKING OR THEIR REASONS FOR DOING IT. I WANT TO SAY PUBLICLY THAT IS MY REASON FOR WHATEVER THEIR REASONS ARE. IT'S UP TO THEM BUT MY REASONS FOR THIS IS NOT TO HAVE A GLORIFIED ASSISTANT DOING MY WORK BECAUSE MY RESIDENTS LOVE THE PERSONAL TOUCH PERSONAL APPROACH THAT I HAVE TO THIS. AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO GIVE THAT UP OR DIMINISH THAT IN ANY WAY THEY LIKE WHEN I HAVE COFFEE WITH THEM. LIKE WHEN I EMAIL THEM BACK AND CALL THEM BACK AND TEXT THEM BACK AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO GO AWAY. I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL TO BE DONE THAT WE CAN WORK ON IT AND REALLY MAKE A SLAM DUNK. COMMISSIONER BOLTON. OK. BEFORE I GO TO COMMISSIONER ELLEN AND COMMISSIONER FISHERMEN WHO HAVE ADDITIONAL ITEMS I'M GOING TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS AS WE KNOW I AM NOT A PROPONENT FOR THIS IN GENERAL I STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL SUPPORT THAT'S NEEDED IN OUR FRONT OFFICE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. MY CONCERN WITH THE AUTO ORDINANCE IN GENERAL IS THIS IT'S BROAD VAGUE AND CAN CREATE PROBLEMS IN A HOLE. ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE LOOKING TO HIRE THE WORD HIRING ELICITS A WHOLE LIST OF ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH RULES AND REGULATIONS TO DO FAIRLY AND PROPERLY. SO I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH AMENDING THE CODE AS IT IS WRITTEN. AND IF IT IS FOR SPECIFICALLY NO OPTION NUMBER TWO AS FAR AS WHAT I'M HEARING FOR COMMISSIONER BOLTON WITH THE LEGISLATIVE AIDES I THINK THAT TOO OPENS A DOOR WHERE IT PULLS IT OUT OF THE REALM WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR HUMAN RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO TRAIN AND PROPERLY MAKE SURE THAT WHOMEVER IS BEING HIRED IS WITHIN THE PROPER REGULATIONS OF OUR CITY AND FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT I THINK I 
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UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS SAYING. HE MAY WANT MORE THAN ONE PERSON AT DIFFERENT TIMES NOT THE SAME PERSON AT DIFFERENT TIMES. I DO NOT BELIEVE HE'S ASKING FOR TWO PEOPLE OUT OF TIME. IS THAT CORRECT. CORRECT. SO BUT HE WANTS THAT OPTION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A ROTATION. AND I THINK THAT IS HUMAN RESOURCES ROLE TO FIGURE OUT THE ACTUAL PROPER HIRING PROCESS. IF THAT IS THE CASE VERSUS IT BEING A LEGISLATIVE AIDE UNDER THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE SECTION 2 WHERE WE DO NOT HAY OR LEGISLATIVE AIDES I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING ON THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND I DO BELIEVE YOU ARE QUITE CAPABLE ON THE JOB DESCRIPTION. I WANT TO JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS UNIFORM FOR THAT WHICH WILL BE FOR OUR COMMISSION FOR WHICH THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE HIRED WILL BE FOLLOWING. YES KNOWING THAT WHEN YOU'RE HIRING PEOPLE IN THE CITY WE DO NOT HAVE A RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENT. THEY HAVE TO MEET THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS WHICH ARE THEIR ABILITY TO DO THE JOB. CORRECT. SO THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENT IN THEIR RESIDENTS RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENT RESIDENTS. YES. ALL RIGHT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT AS I STARTED TO MENTION I AM CONCERNED WE HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON WHO HAS WE HAVE SHARED THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK FOR HER TO CURRENTLY DO. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT I DON'T KNOWS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OBLIGATIONS OR THE RESPONSIBILITY. THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF THESE POTENTIAL PART TIME EMPLOYEES WILL BE DOING. I HEARD YOU SAY DID NOT HAVE THEM OVERLAP WITH WHAT OUR ACRONYM INITIATIVE PERSON IS DOING THEN I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THESE AIDES WILL ASSIST US IN MAKING IT EASIER FOR HER ROLE. WITHOUT THEM PUTTING ANOTHER PERSON IN THE FRONT OFFICE TO ASSIST US OR ASSIST HER BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET ALL THAT WE NEED DONE CURRENTLY WITH HER JOB STILL GONNA BE TAXING HER WORK. I DON'T SEE THAT THESE AIDES ARE TAKING AWAY THE WORKLOAD FROM HER THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY BEING REQUESTED BY MAKING ANY SENSE. YES. OK JUST CHECKING THIS. I MEAN I KNOW IT'S ALMOST 30 AND I'M SURE THE BLOOD SUGAR IS A LITTLE LOW FOR EVERYBODY. I APOLOGIZE BUT THAT IS A CONCERN I HAVE. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE NEW AIDS WE'RE CALLING AND ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING WITH SCHEDULING. ARE WE PULLING AWAY FOR SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR HER TO FREE UP SOME OF HER TIME. AND EVEN IF THAT'S NOT I STILL THINK WE NEED SOMEBODY IN THE FRONT OFFICE WHICH AGAIN GOES TO A FINANCIAL SITUATION AND A BUDGET WHICH WE COULD POSSIBLY BE TALKING ABOUT TOMORROW AT OUR QUARTERLY FINANCE MEETING. THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS. ALSO WE HAVE A SPACE ISSUE AND I JUST WOULD LIKE IT. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUES LAST AND THIS WAS BROUGHT ABOUT EVERYONE WAS FINE FOR HAVING THAT PERSON BE IN THEIR OFFICE AND JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THAT IS STILL THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THESE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE HIRED EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PART TIME AND MAY NOT BE WORKING DURING THE BUSINESS HOURS THEIR LOCATION IF THEY NEED OFFICE SPACE IS GOING TO BE IN EVERYBODY'S RESPECTIVE OFFICES ALSO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. YOU HAVE HERE 20 HOURS PER WEEK MAXIMUM. AND THEN THERE IS A REQUEST TO UP THAT TO 25. I WILL ASK YOU TO CLARIFY WHY YOU MADE THE DECISION AS A HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR TO HAVE THAT AS AN UP TO 20 VERSUS 25. I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES THAT HAVE LEGISLATIVE AIDES ON A PART TIME BASIS AND THE HOURS WERE ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20 A WEEK. SO SEEING AS THOUGH THIS IS A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR TAMARACK I THOUGHT THAT 20 WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO START. AND IF WE NEEDED TO INCREASE OVER TIME THAT WE COULD NOT WITH 20 BEING THE MAXIMUM I VISION IS COMMISSIONER BOLTON POINTING OUT THAT SOME WEEKS THAT MAY NOT BE 20 SOME WEEKS MAYBE LESS. BUT THEN COMMISSIONER ALLEN SAID SOME WEEKS THERE MAY BE MORE SO THERE THERE IS FLEXIBILITY AND AND GOING UP TO TWENTY FIVE HOURS A WEEK IF IF IT PLEASES 
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THE COMMISSION. I JUST I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM MY MY BELIEF IS THAT THIS IS NOT A ROLLOVER. THIS IS NOT LIKE ROLLOVER MINUTES. IF YOU DON'T MEET YOUR 20 HOURS OR YOU'RE TWENTY FIVE HOURS WHATEVER IT IS YOU DON'T GET TO USE THOSE HOURS THE FOLLOWING WEEK OR LESS. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU ARE GOING INTO MY ONBOARDING PRESENTATION FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT NO THEY ARE NOT ROLLOVER MINUTES OR HOURS. OK. OK. THANK YOU. WE WILL GET BACK TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND ITEMS THAT I HAVE SHARED. I SEE COMMISSIONER FISHMAN. I'M SORRY ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER GOLLAN WAS FIRST. I APOLOGIZE. MR. FISHMAN I THOUGHT YOU HAD NOWHERE. MY APOLOGY. SOMETIMES YOU CAN AVOID USING YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE FOR CURRENT SITUATIONS. AND I HAVE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COLIN PEOPLE LEGISLATIVE AIDES HAVING SOME PAID AND NOT PAID THAT TO ME IS VERY DISCONCERTING. I THINK WE KEEP IT CLEAN AND WE HAVE OUR PAID PEOPLE CALLED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISONS AND OUR VOLUNTEERS BE CALLED LEGISLATIVE AIDES. THAT WAY EVERYBODY KNOWS FROM THE GET GO WHO'S PAID WHO'S NOT WHEN LOOKING AT OURS. I KNOW THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT WELL WHETHER YOU CALL THEM PART TIME OR FULL TIME BENEFITS ARE REQUIRED CORRECT. 
          NOT IF THEY'RE A TEMPORARY PART TIME EMPLOYEE. I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT IN AND WE WOULD NOT. HENCE THE OTHER PART IS CAPPING THE HOURS SO THAT WE'RE AWARE OF THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE IN PLACE. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DIFFERENTIAL CLASSIFICATION PAID AND THE OTHER CLASSIFICATION NOT PAID WHATEVER WE COLUMN COLUMN JOE AND SAM I DON'T CARE. 
          JUST MAKE SURE THEY'RE CLARIFIED. NO OFFENSE OR THEY'LL GET IT THROUGH A CHAIR FOR CLERICAL CLARIFICATION. COMMISSIONER BOLTON IF YOU HAD SOMEONE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING THEY STILL COULD PRESENT TO THE COMMUNITY THEY HAVE WORKED WITH YOU AS A LEGISLATIVE AIDE. IT WOULD STILL BE VIABLE EXPERIENCE IF THEY COULD SPEAK TO VS. ALSO WORKING AS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON. BOTH WOULD BE VIABLE OPPORTUNITIES THEY'D BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY IF THEY SO CHOSE TO RUN FOR OFFICE. YES. THANK YOU. I JUST. I UNDERSTAND THAT. NOT. NOT ADDING VINEGAR TO WHEN HE SAW WHEN I WAS TRYING TO A POINT MR. GALLON TO THE PLANNING BOARD. ME DRESSLER AND THEN VICE MAYOR GOODMAN SAYS NO HE'S NOT QUALIFIED. AND THEY SAID HE'S NOT QUALIFIED BECAUSE DEEP DOWN HE THOUGHT PERHAPS I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF BUT MY OPINION IS THAT THEY DID NOT WANT HIM TO HAVE THE SKILL SETS TO BE INEFFECTIVE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEN HE WON HIS ELECTION. AND WAS SWORN IN. HOWARD DRESSLER SAYS OH HE'S AN AWESOME GUY. HE'S HE'S EXPERIENCED HE'S GONNA BRING LOTS OF FLAVOR TO THE COMMISSION WHATEVER. HOWEVER HIS WORDS WERE THAT IS IN ESSENCE THE CASE WE WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO SHUT PEOPLE OUT BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RUN AGAINST US AND SO LEGISLATIVE AIDES AS THE AUDIENCE THANKS FOR SOFTENING IT HAS. IT HAS A MIND. LEGISLATIVE AIDES AS IT SPEAKS. YOU KNOW NOW IN THE ORDINANCE AND 
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THE CODE IT SAYS HEY YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY VOLUNTEER ANYWHERE IN THE CITY SO THEN IF I WERE TO APPOINT IF I WERE TO SAY HEY I WANT GERALD HELLER TO BE ONE OF MY LEGISLATIVE AIDES AND THEN HE GOES FOR THE COMMISSION FOR OUR FLOOR FOR A VOTE I GUARANTEE YOU HEP C WOULDN'T GET THE. YOU WOULDN'T GET THE SUPPORT. BE MY LEGISLATOR. BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD THINK THAT I HAVE AN AGENDA SO I'M THINKING AHEAD OF ALL OF THAT. WE CAN REVISE THE CODE TO SAY THAT WE CAN HAVE READ AN THE LEGISLATIVE AIDES THE CODE CAN EVEN SAYING AID LEGISLATIVE AIDES SHALL BE CALLED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REASONS AN UNPAID LEGISLATIVE AIDES CAN BE CALLED LEGISLATIVE AIDES. IF WE EVER HUNG UP ON THE TITLE YOU KNOW SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT ONE IS BEING PAID AND ONE IS NOT BEING PAID. I MEAN IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S FINE. I MEAN WE CAN STILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH IN ACTION TO FOR ME. AND THIS MAY BE LEFT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M JUST EXHAUSTED FROM FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER AND THE PARANOIA THAT SOMEBODY IS PUTTING SOMEBODY HERE AND SOMEBODY IS PUTTING SOMEBODY THERE. AND AND THE APPOINTMENTS THIS AND LET'S NOT APPOINT THAT PERSON AND LET US DO THIS. AND WHEN ONE PERSON COMES UP WITH AN IDEA LET'S FIGHT THAT IDEA THAT IS IS JUST TOO MUCH IT IS TOO MUCH. AND WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING ABOUT OR WHAT ARE WE ADVOCATING FOR OR WHAT ARE WE SEEING. IT'S LIKE JUST JUST SAY WE DON'T WANT LET'S JUST SAY WE DON'T WANT OPTION 2 BECAUSE OF X REASON AND MOVE ON. WE. ARE WHERE WE ARE DISCUSSING ALL THESE THINGS AND WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND EVERYBODY HAS THEIR LITTLE REASON WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS THAT IS JUST SAY WELL ONE OPTION ONE AND THEY'LL WORK UNDER MR. SIMON BECAUSE A CITY MANAGER AND THERE'S THAT YOU KNOW LIKE MOVE ON. IT'S NO BIG DEAL WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CURING CANCER I WISH YOU WOULD. BUT ANYWAY RIGHT. YOU KNOW IF WE DON'T WANT OPTION TWO BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON IT IS JUST LET SLIP SAY IT AND MOVE ON. WELL WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO. ME I I WANT OPTION TWO BECAUSE OF THE REASONS I STATED. YOU CAN DO OPTION ONE JUST STRIKE THE FIRST BULLET RIGHT. OPTION ONE. STRIKE THE FIRST BULLET AND ALSO DO OPTION TWO AND LEAVE THE OPTION FOR WHETHER LEGISLATION IS CAN BE PLAYED OR ON B. SO IN THE FUTURE IF I NEED TO BRING SOMEBODY IN ON A SPECIAL PROJECT OR WHATEVER IT IS I CAN'T. I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT PART TIME ASSISTANT NOW. I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY DOING SPECIAL PROJECTS NOW BUT IN THE FUTURE. I MEAN IT'S NO BIG DEAL. OPTION ONE STRAIGHT STRIKE WOULD BE THE FIRST BULLET AND DO OPTION TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. AND ACTUALLY THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF US TO DO THIS AND WE ARE TRYING TO WRAP THIS PART UP AND I WILL JUST MAKE A COMMENT SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP AS I THINK PEOPLE KNOW BY NOW I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY SPEAKING FOR ME. I WILL BACK MY OWN WORDS AND COMMISSIONER GUNS FOR ME WHEN IT CAME BEFORE US HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH COMMISSIONER YELLEN AS A PERSON WHEN IT COMES TO THE PLANNING BOARD. I'VE BEEN VERY ADAMANT THE RULES THAT WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE OR REQUEST THAT WE PUT IN PLACE FOR ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURAL AND OTHER TYPES OF ITEMS THAT AT THE TIME WHICH I SUPPORT. HE DOESN'T HAVE AT THIS TIME WHICH I SUPPORT AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE MY APPOINTMENT WAS FOR THAT AND WE ALSO WERE DISCUSSING KEEPING PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR OWN DISTRICTS AND AS WE DO KNOW THAT WE ADVERTISE IT HAS BEEN DONE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR CERTAIN BOARDS THAT THAT OPTION HAD NOT 
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BEEN UTILIZED. SO IT WAS NOT A PERSONAL THING AGAINST COMMISSIONER YELLEN AS A PERSON. IT WAS THAT HE WAS NOT UNDER THOSE ITEMS THAT WE HAD LISTED HER QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AND I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ASSUMPTIONS DO NOT BE MADE ON HOW THIS COMMISSION MIGHT GO FORWARD OR NOT GO FORWARD WITH CERTAIN THINGS. THIS IS A DIFFERENT BODY. WE HAVE DIFFERENT LINE FRAMES AND WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE OUR CITY ALONG. SO ON THAT I WILL NOW GO TO COMMISSIONER GALAN WHO WISHED TO ASK SOME MORE QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT A MORE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE NOW I'M CONFUSED. SO OPTION 1 LEAVE THE CODE STATUS QUO. AND SAM YOU'RE SAYING WE WERE STRIKING SECTION 2 LAST 2 SO IF WE LEAVE THE CODE STATUS QUO AND JUST ADD THE 5 OR WE DO WE STILL HAVE THAT LANGUAGE THAT THE PERSON HAS TO LIVE IN TAMARACK AND GET FOR OFFICE ALL THAT IS SLATED. SO I DON'T WANT THAT EITHER COMMISSIONER GONE FOR THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE OR HAS TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY LIVE IN THE CITY. YEAH I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IF I WANT TO BRING IN A COLLEGE INTERN THAT MAY NOT LIVE IN TAMARACK THEN I CAN'T BRING A PERSON ON AND THEN I ALSO SUPPORT AND THERE IS FRANKLY I GUESS THE MERIT OPTION ONE IS PURELY A STRAIGHT UP. YOU'RE CORRECT BUT BUT OPTION 2 IF YOU DO NOTHING. IF YOU LEAVE IT IF YOU LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE COACH SAYS YOU JUST READ THE QUALIFICATIONS QUICKLY. DOES MATTER IN THAT REGARD. THE ORDINANCE YEAH. IF IT REQUIRES RESIDENCY IT REQUIRES COMMISSION APPROVAL AND IT REQUIRE UP TO UP TO 3 IS A NUMBER. AS I RECALL THE CODE SECTION COMES INTO THOSE CAN I EXTEND YOU WOULD WE CHANGE IT. YEAH THEY WOULD. THEY'LL BE LIMITED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION. I MEAN YOU LOOK AT THE. SO WHAT I ENVISION IS BRINGING ON A TEMPORARY PART TIME PERSON AND THEN GOING TO THE COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND BRINGING ON SOME STUDENTS THAT ARE MAJORING IN POLITICAL SCIENCE OR PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION. BUT IF THEY DON'T LIVE IN TAMARACK THEN I WON'T BE ABLE TO HIRE SOMEONE AS QUALIFIED THAN SOMEONE I CAN GAIN FROM THE EXPERIENCE OF WORKING IN CITY GOVERNMENT. SO THAT'S A BIG LIMITING FACTOR THAT I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE. SO. 
          SO I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF OPTION 2 WHAT WE REVISED THE CODE TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES AND QUITE FRANKLY I'M BRINGING AN INTERN I WOULD LIKE THE INTERN TO BE PAID NOT AS HIGH OR AS MUCH AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART TIME PERSON BUT SOME SOME HOURLY WAGE AMOUNT AND THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY LIMIT TO SIXTEEN OR 20 HOURS A WEEK AS AN INTERN BUT TO JUST LIMITED TO ONLY TAMARACK AND THOSE OTHER LIMITED FACTORS THAT JUST CLOSE THE POOL AND IF I WANT TO BRING AN INTERN I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM FROM THE BOARD. I MEAN WE SURE WILL HIRE OUR OWN INTERNS. 
          MADAM MAYOR I'M COMMISSIONER YELLEN HAS THE FLOOR. I MEAN IF WE COULD SUSPEND ROBERT'S RULES FOR JUST A MINUTE SO I SO I CAN TALK DIRECTLY TO HIM. THAT IS THAT IS TO THE BLACK TO LET ME ANSWER THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY JUST BECAUSE I REALLY WOULD BE APPRECIATED IF IT. IT DOES VERY MUCH PLEASE THE CHAIR IN MICHIGAN. ARE YOU OK WITH HAVING A CONVERSATION. YES. OK. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY RIGHT. IF IF IF WE GO WITH IF WE GO WITH OPTION 2 AND HAVE THE CODE AS REVISED AS IT IS THEN THAT STILL DOESN'T GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO HIRE SOMEONE BECAUSE THEN I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERYBODY FOR THEIR APPROVAL AND ART AND ALL THOSE THINGS IT SAYS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF WE HAVE OPTION ONE IT DOES EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO DO ADMINISTRATIVELY IT DOESN'T STALL THE PROCESS. WE CAN. HI. THEY CAN GO THROUGH AND DO THEIR HIRING AND THAT'S THE STUFF WE DO BACKGROUND CHECKS AND ONBOARDING AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT ACCOMPLISHES GETTING THE ASSISTANT OF THE COMMISSION THAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS HOWEVER WE CAN STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY LEGISLATIVE AIDES CAN BE PAID OR UNPAID SO IF YOU FIND SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING TO COLLEGE SOMEWHERE THAT LIVES IN TAMARACK AND THAT YOU'LL WANT TO HELP WITH SOME PROJECTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE PERHAPS OVER THE SUMMER AND THAT PERSON CAN ALSO COME IN AND ROTATE IT IS ALL WE'RE SAYING. SO WHY LEAVE THE OPTION OUT. DOES THAT MAKE THINGS MORE CONFUSING. AND IF I MEANT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EXCUSE ME BECAUSE SOMETIMES I'M HAPPY AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU SAID LIVING IN TIME. 
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COMMISSIONER GALEN IS TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING THEM LIVE IN TAMPA. SO THAT'S ONE ITEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIRING LEGISLATIVE AIDES VERSUS NOT HIRING LEGISLATING BASED MADE BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS BY US. SO TO TRY TO WRAP THIS UP IN BRINGING FORTH I'M GOING TO GO BACKWARDS AND PAY ON THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE UNDERSTANDING THE REQUEST FOR HAVING IT BE A STUDENT IN SCHOOL WITH THE PARAMETERS OF WISHING TO GET CREDIT WILL DO WHAT THEY DOING. IN THE STUDENT JUSTICE I MEAN PHRASE A LEGISLATIVE AIDE CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS THAT THEY ARE NOT PAID OUR TIME PEOPLE UP TO THREE AND HAVE TO LIVE IN OUR CITY THE EXCEPTION I GUESS IF WE WOULD MAKE INTO THE CURRENT CODE WOULD BE TO HAVE THEM UNLESS THEY ARE AN ENROLLED STUDENTS. DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR ABILITY AND YOUR REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO SCHOOL THAT YOU MAY WANT AS A SUMMER INTERN OR AN INTERN. CAN I MANCHESTER OFFER A SUGGESTION PLEASE AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS I FEEL WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT IN WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO ACCOMPLISH AT THIS POINT. OK. LET ME JUST SAY THIS. THE ISSUE OF LEGISLATIVE AIDES IS ADDRESSED IN THE CODE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON. NUMBER ONE THE CODE SAYS THAT THEY ARE NOT EMPLOYEES. IT SAYS THEY ARE NOT PAID. THEY MUST HAVE THEY MUST HAVE RESIDENCY THEY MUST HAVE ALL THESE THINGS. THAT'S ADDRESSED THROUGH BY THE COMMISSION. YES AND BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. THAT IS ALL ADDRESSED IN THE CODE 4 4 BECAUSE WHOEVER FRAMED THAT WHEN THEY FRAMED IT WANTED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY WHEN WE HIRE PEOPLE INTO THE CITY WE HIRE THEM IN THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS WHICH IS AUTHORIZED BY YOU. OK. WE DON'T HAVE POSITIONS IN THE CODE AND THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. POSITIONS ARE FLUID. THEY COME AND GO. THEY GET MODIFIED. THERE ARE CHANGES MADE. AND SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO YOU IS A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CONSIDER. NUMBER ONE THE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISONS ARE POSITIONS THAT SHOULD BE IN THE BUDGET. THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN THE CODE AND THEY SHOULD BE IN THE BUDGET IN MY OPINION. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO AUTHORIZE THEM AS TEMPORARY PART TIME EMPLOYEES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME 20 25 HOURS A WEEK WHATEVER YOU DECIDE WHICH IS WHICH IS YOU KNOW THAT'S FINE. THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT IN MY OPINION IT SHOULD BE DONE AND IT SHOULD BE DONE THAT WAY BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE IF THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO MAKE TO THOSE POSITIONS YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO BY RESOLUTION AND THEN WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT REFLECTS THE DECISION THAT YOU MADE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S LEGISLATIVE AIDES OR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISONS OR WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO CALL THEM IF YOU. WE'VE TRANSITION I THINK WE'VE TRANSITIONED FROM LEGISLATIVE AIDES AS THEY ARE IN THE CODE AND AS THEY WERE I THINK CONSIDERED WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING THE CODE TO INTERNS OR AN INTERNSHIP OR WHATEVER AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THAT IS FINE ALSO. AND THERE ARE MANY MANY GOOD MODELS FOR INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS PARTICULARLY FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ALLOW US TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT MODEL FOR YOUR FOR THE FIVE OF YOU IF YOU WANT TO HAVE INTERNS ALLOW US TO DO THAT BECAUSE I HEAR UNPAID I HEAR PAID IF THEY'RE PAID IT HAS A LIMIT. IT HAS A FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT'S ALSO GOT TO BE DEALT WITH BY RESOLUTION. THAT'S GOT TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE BUDGET WHICH IS FUN. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE DO IT RIGHT. AND I GUESS MY BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CODE IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO THIS. IF YOU YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE THE CODE THE WAY IT IS GREAT IF YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE THAT SECTION OF THE CODE IN MY OPINION EVEN BETTER TAKE CONTROL OF IT YOURSELF THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL PROCESS THAT WE USE WHICH IS NOT THE CODE TO SPECIFY POSITIONS. OK WHEN YOU DO IT IN THE CODE IT'S AN ORDINANCE WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT. IT REQUIRES MULTIPLE READINGS ADVERTISING'S ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO WHEN WE AMEND WHEN WE AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. IF IF IT'S DONE BY RESOLUTION IT'S DONE AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION. YOU DECIDE THAT DIRECTION AND THEN WE'LL BRING WE BRING A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO YOU AT SOME POINT TO REFLECT THE DECISION THAT YOU MADE CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY PRETTY MUCH THAT WE DO EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I JUST I OFFER THAT UP BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM A LEGISLATIVE AIDE AND YOU ALL ALL WANT ONE ON A PART TIME BASIS TO SOMETHING ELSE AND THAT'S FINE SOMETHING ELSE IS FINE. THERE'S JUST THE RIGHT WAY TO DEAL 
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WITH IT IN THE WRONG WAY. I'M JUST SAYING TO YOU FROM A STRUCTURAL PERSPECTIVE THE CODE IS NOT THE PLACE. I DON'T THINK TO DEAL WITH ALL OF THIS YOU DIRECTED THE CITY ATTORNEY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO TO DRAFT SOMETHING WHICH HE DID AT YOUR DIRECTION. AND I IT'S BEEN A GOOD WAY TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PROCEED IS IS FINE WE'RE PREPARED TO ASSIST YOU AND TO GET THESE PEOPLE IN PLACE FOR YOU SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN TO TO ASSIST YOU. I THINK JUST FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE WE'D LIKE TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY SO THAT IT PROVIDES MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY GOING FORWARD BECAUSE AS I SAID POSITIONS ARE FLUID. YOU MAY MAKE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD ABOUT HOW THESE POSITIONS ARE USED HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE PAID. I JUST I WILL AS YOUR CITY MANAGER I DON'T WANT TO BE REVISITING THE CODE EVERY TIME WE MAKE THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS. AND AGAIN IF YOU WANT AND IF YOU WANT AN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM WE'LL BRING THAT TO YOU AND WE'LL BRING THAT VERY QUICKLY. THAT'S THAT'S EASY. I MEAN I KNOW THAT THE ISSUE OF THE DAY IS THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE DISCUSSION OR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON. AND I CERTAINLY PLEASE DEAL WITH THAT. BUT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE IN TERMS OF AN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM LET US BRING YOU A GOOD PROGRAM THAT WORKS FOR YOU. ALL I'M SAYING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TAKE A CONSENSUS AT THIS TIME THAT WE ARE ONLY DEALING WITH OPTION NUMBER ONE AS IT STANDS AND WE WILL ASK THE SAME MANAGER AND CITY STAFF TO COME BACK TO WITH A LEGISLATED A SLASH INTERNSHIP PROGRAM AT ANOTHER TIME JUST DRILL DOWN ON I WOULD SAY THEN THAT THAT'S OPTION ONE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE CODE YOU'RE OPTING FOR OPTION NUMBER ONE WITH THE ELIMINATION. 
          REPEAL THE CODE REPEAL THE CODE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PROBLEMATIC SINCE THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION STARTED. SO IF WE ELIMINATE IT WE ELIMINATE THAT PROBLEM. ALTERNATIVE LIBYA'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1975 WITHOUT ANY ISSUE IT'S JUST SITTING ON THE BOOKS. BUT I HEAR YOU'RE YOUR YOUR SELECTION IS OPTION NUMBER ONE WITH THE AMENDMENT CHANGING REPEAL SECTION ALREADY TO START INTERRUPTING YOU THAT STOPS ANY LEGAL OPERATION. YES. I SUPPORT THAT VICE MAYOR SUPPORTS THAT COMMISSION BOLTON DISSENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER BOLTON YOUR YES. I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. NO ACTUALLY I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE ASKING FOR INCLUDING OPTION NUMBER TWO AND JUST AMENDING OPTION NUMBER TWO AT THE DISCUSSION HERE THE CONSENSUS AT THIS TIME IS FOR OPTION NUMBER ONE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF LEGISLATIVE AIDS. AUDIENCE IN GENERAL AND COMING BACK FOR A DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE REGARDING INTERNSHIPS IS OPTION 1 AND REPEALING THE COURT IN ITS ENTIRETY. NO NOT REPLACING IT JUST REPEALING TO DASH 32 PAISLEY CONSENSUS HAS TAKEN OPTION NUMBER ONE. VERSUS LEAVING THE STATUS QUO IT IS AMENDED TO REPEALING CODE REPEALING THE CODE MAY RESPOND AMERICA TO MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD SO THAT THE LAWYERS CAN BE CLEAR WE'RE GOING TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE WHICH IS A REPEAL OR A TWO DASH THIRTY TWO IT ELIMINATES THE ANTIQUATED ORDINANCE HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT READING WHENEVER IT CAN BE DONE. AND THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATION WILL LOOK AT OPTION 1 AND IMPLEMENT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW YOU WOULD SEE FIT TO DO THAT TOGETHER. AND THEN THE LAWYERS GET TO STAND DOWN AND WE JUST WRITE THE AUDIENCE AND WE'VE DONE OUR PART. CHAIR INSTEAD OF SAYING WHATEVER CAN BE DONE. CAN WE GIVE. CAN WE GET A TIME CERTAIN TO WHEN YOU UNDER APPEAL OR REPEALED. I CAN HAVE AVAILABLE THE NEXT NEXT REGULAR MEETING. YES. YES. GET. IT'S ACTUALLY EASIER THAN WHEN WE HAVE IN THERE AT A BIG BLACK PANEL LIKE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO OFFER NO ONE WHICH ACTUALLY IT'S ALSO NOT ONLY WE'VE JUST RE CLARIFYING REMOVING THE OPTION RULES AS LEAVE CODE A STATUS QUO THAT'S BEING REMOVED AND MAINTAIN UP TO THREE VOLUNTEERS PER COMMISSIONER THAT IS BEING REMOVED AS WELL BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE CODE IS. THE DIRECTION THE CONSENSUS IS TO IS TO REPEAL TO DASH 32 IN ITS ENTIRETY RIGHT. I'M JUST GOING BY THE BULLETS SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE THERE'S ISN'T ALL THE ALL THE BULLETS AS WELL AS ALL THE BULLETS AND OPTION ONE RELATE TO ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION BUT WE'RE KEEPING CREATE FIVE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE POSITIONS YES YES AND WE WILL BRING BACK A COMPREHENSIVE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM FOR YOU LOOK AT WHICH THEN TO THE QUESTIONS AT HAND REGARDING 20 HOURS PER WEEK MAXIMUM 25 MAXIMUM. AS A DISCUSSION I BELIEVE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR US UP TO UP TO 25 HOURS PER WEEK. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I DON'T 
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KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A CONSENSUS SO I DO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I HONESTLY DO NOT WANT US TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY THIS IS NOT WHAT IT WAS IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING SO YES I AM BEING A LITTLE BIT NIT PICKY AND I WANT TO HEAR IT. SO IF I WOULD TAKE 25 YES YES MISSION BOLTON 20 TO 25. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION AS IT READS NOW 20 HOURS PER WEEK MAXIMUM OR THEIR REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE FOR UP TO 25. 
          I MEAN IT DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN PICK YOUR YOUR OPINION IS BEING REQUESTED IS THIS IS YOURS NOT MINE NOT IS YOURS. YOU BELONG TO YOU. IT'S NOT COMMISSIONER GALLO. WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT HIS HEAD ON THE PILLOW TONIGHT. IF YOU DID NOT AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS ONE. IF YOU DO NOT. AS I SAID BEFORE I SAT HERE FOR TWO HOURS WITH BODY SUPPORTING ONE. YOU NEVER REALLY HAD IT ALL THE TIME LIKE THAT. SO STOP THE WOE IS ME. NEXT UP TO 25 OK. WELL THE UP TWO TWENTIES ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT. SO UP TO TWENTY FIVE HOURS HAS BEEN. BUT I ALSO WANT THERE TO BE UNDERSTANDING AND CONFIRMATION OF WHAT I BELIEVE WAS HEARD THE LAST TIME. LEGISLATIVE AIDES COMMISSION LEADERS ON WHATEVER THEIR TITLES WILL BE AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE THAT NARROWED DOWN. WE'LL BE USING EACH COMMISSIONERS OR PERSONS OFFICE CORRECT. 
          YES I'VE GOT THE NODS YES. AS I UNDERSTAND UNDERSTOOD AND I HATE TO DO THIS TO YOU BUT I STILL HAVE MY ISSUE OF THE FACT THAT I AM CONCERNED THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IF IT'S GOING TO BE HAVING DIFFERENT JOB OBLIGATIONS THAN WHAT THE 5 AIDES ARE GOING TO HAVE THEN SHE WILL STILL BE TECHNICALLY OVERWORKED WHICH WAS THE CONCERN OF THIS COMMISSION AND THEREFORE NOT BEING ABLE TO COMPLETE OUR JOB. I HAVE CONCERNS WITH THAT AND THEN WONDER HOW WE PLAN ON RESOLVING THAT BECAUSE THE ISSUES WILL NOT BE ALLEVIATED UNLESS THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS OF THESE NEW AIDES WILL BE TAKING AWAY SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT SHE CURRENTLY HAS. 
          AND ALSO IF SHE'S FULL TIME DURING THE DAY AND THOSE AIDES ARE NOT DURING THE DAY WE HAVE ISSUES OF WHEN THEY TIME OUR OPERATION IS NEEDED. JUST COMPLETING COMMENT THROUGH THE CHAIR. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT I ACTUALLY DON'T GIVE HER BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S ALREADY DOING TOO MUCH. AND THEN YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE DO AFTER HOURS AND SHE'S NOT WORKING AT THE 5 O'CLOCK SO I DON'T REALLY SEE US TAKING WORK AWAY FROM HER METHOD. WE THINK WE CAN RELIEVE SOME BURDEN FROM HER BUT I'M NOT GIVING ALL THE PROJECTS THAT I WOULD WANT DONE BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S ALREADY OVERWORKED SO THEN. IS THAT A SUPPORTIVE NOD TO HAVING ANOTHER AS ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IN THE OFFICE I THINK THAT I THINK IF WE EACH HAD A PERSON THEN THEN NO WE WOULDN'T NEED AN ADDITIONAL. AND THEN SHE COULD ACTUALLY HELP TRAIN OTHER PEOPLE. I DON'T BELIEVE TRAINING IS WITHIN HER PURVIEW. THAT BECOMES A LOT TO HUMAN RESOURCES. BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THAT IT MIGHT NOT. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING FULLY BECAUSE AS YOU JUST EXPRESSED THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE NOT GIVING HER BECAUSE SHE'S ALREADY WORKED SIGNIFICANTLY. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE GONNA BE GIVING TO YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON AND THEREFORE SHE'LL STILL HAVE THOSE OTHER ITEMS WHICH STILL MEANS THAT SHE WILL STILL ESSENTIALLY GO TO WORK OR HAVE A WOUND OR OF A BURDEN TO WHATEVER WORDING THAT HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST. WELL IT'S GONNA BE IT'S GOING TO DROP SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE EACH OF US ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE PERSON. SO ONE FIFTH OR FIVE FIFTHS OF OF THE WORK SHE'S DOING NOW IS FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE WILL DROP SOME BECAUSE NOW WE'LL ASSIGN SOME SOMETHING WE ASSIGN HER WE'LL ASSIGN TO THE NEW PERSON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT ASSIGNED TO HURRICANES. NO SHE'S EVER WORKED WELL ASSIGNED TO THE NEW PERSON WHICH IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE WITH SCHEDULING SAW AND CALLED THE COME IN AND HOW THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON WHO WORKS DURING THE DAY WON'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR STILL DOING ALL THE WORK THAT TRANSFER TO THE NEW AIDES. SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. MR. GOWANS MR. FISHMAN IS OVER. MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH HIRING THESE FIVE PEOPLE IS. AS COMMISSIONER BOLTON CALLS THEM SPECIAL PROJECTS OR THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON. SO IN HIRING THESE FIVE PART TIME PEOPLE WE'RE NOT REALLY REDUCING THAT WORKLOAD. AND BASED ON THAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE STILL NEED ANOTHER PERSON FOR ADMINISTRATION IN THE OFFICE BECAUSE AS WE'VE ALL AS WE'VE ALL SAID WE WE ARE VERY DIFFERENT COMMISSION. WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN COMMISSIONS PRIOR TO US. PRIOR 
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TO THE FINANCIAL COLLAPSE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT THERE WERE TWO ADMINISTRATIVE PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE ONE FOR THE MAYOR AND ONE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE SECOND PERSON BE FOR THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND ONE PERSON BEFORE THE THREE COMMISSIONERS. I THINK THAT BREAKS DOWN THE WORK. IT ALSO GIVES THE PERSON THAT'S DOING THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR A CHANCE TO GET TO KNOW THE COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE WE ROTATE THE VICE MAYOR POSITION. I'M NOT AGAINST THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO PUT UP A FIGHT FOR THAT. SO IF YOU GUYS WANT ANOTHER I'M A PERSON I'M NOT AGAINST THAT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. IN MY MIND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE THIS COMMUNITY LIAISON FOR IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE USING OUR CURRENT OFFICE STAFF FOR. I WILL TELL YOU I DO NOT GIVE HER ALMOST ANYTHING BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S OVERWHELMED. SO THE THINGS THAT MY LEDGERS MY COMMUNITY LIAISON WILL BE DOING ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT WE STILL NEED SOME HELP HERE IN THIS OFFICE. WE NEED SOMEONE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY IN THE OFFICE WHICH NOW GRACIE IS DOWN HERE WHICH IS GREAT. BUT WE I I FIRMLY BELIEVE WE DO NEED THAT OTHER PERSON AS WELL. I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US SO WE CAN GO OUT AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH OUR LIAISONS. IF IT'S NIGHT MEETINGS WHICH ALL OF US ARE AT PRETTY MUCH EVERY SINGLE NIGHT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT GOES ON IN THE OFFICE. 
          THERE ARE STILL THINGS THAT NEED TO GO ON IN THIS OFFICE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLTON. OK SO IF YOU IF I'M NOT GIVING HER WORK AND COME AND FACE ME LIKE I WAS NOT GIVING HER WORK AND I'M NOT GETTING NOWHERE YOU'RE NOT GIVING OUR WORD MATTERS NOT GIVING OUR WORK. COMMISSIONER WHICH IS NOT GIVING OUR WORK. MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS SHE DOING. GENERALLY IT BEGS THE QUESTION NOW DOESN'T IT. AND IF NOBODY IS GIVING HER WORK AND I HAVE THE I HAVE THE MINDSET THAT SHE'S OVERWORKED SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT GIVING HER WORK AND THAT'S WHY I NEED IT. I MEAN SHE LIVES ON THEN THAT PUSHES ASIDE EVERYTHING THAT I JUST SAID THIS MORNING. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE I DON'T WANT ONE BECAUSE IT'S JUST WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING BECAUSE LISTEN IF IF SHE IF SHE IS NOT OVERWORKED BECAUSE EACH PERSON IS NOT GIVING HER ANYTHING TO DO THEN I WANT TO KNOW LIKE WHAT SHE'S DOING AND WHAT THE PROJECTS WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS SHE'S WORKING ON AND THEN GIVE HER MY MY SPECIAL PROJECTS THE. THE YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED THAT SOME OF THEM GOING TO BE AFTER WORK HOURS. I'M JUST NOT SO. SO WHEN I SAID THAT I NEED SOMEBODY TO DO SPECIAL PROJECTS. THAT WAS FROM ME. THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE IDEA FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. SO NOW I HEAR EVERYBODY SAYING OH I'M JUST GONNA UTILIZE THAT PERSONS FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT THE CONVERSATION BEFORE WAS THAT WE ALL NEED LEGISLATIVE AIDES BECAUSE OUR OFFICE ASSISTANT IS OVERWORKED AND WE NEED TO SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE OFFICE. THAT WAS EVERYBODY'S SENTIMENT BUT MY SENTIMENT IS I DON'T HAVE OFFICE WORK. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT PERSON MY OFFICE WORK. I DON'T WANT THAT PERSON TO RETURN MY PHONE CALLS. I DON'T WANT THEM SENDING OUT MY EMAILS. I DON'T WANT THEM TALKING TO MY EIGHT MY AGENCY PRESIDENT. ALL THAT STUFF I NEED THAT PERSON TO DO SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE GRACIE OFF HIS WORK TO DO BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT SHE'S THERE FOR. SO SO. SO I NEED THAT. AND I I THINK I I CAN LOOK AN EMAIL. REAL REAL QUICK. I WON'T READ ALL OF IT. WHAT ONE RESIDENT SAYS. HELLO COMMISSIONER MARLIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR REGULAR REPORTS AND UPDATES YOUR UNTIRING EFFORTS ARE MUCH APPRECIATED AND THOUGH I'M NOT A FULL TIME RESIDENT OF TAMARACK I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE YOUR EFFORTS BEING TRANSFORMED INTO POSITIVE CHANGES WITHIN THE CITY A PLACE MY WIFE AND I ARE HAPPY TO BE A PART OF AT LEAST GLOBALLY. AND IT GOES ON RESIDENTS LIKE WHEN I EMAIL THEM AND WHEN I GO TO THEIR HOUSE AND WHEN I CALL THEM FOR COFFEE AND 
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THAT'S THE STUFF I'M ENTRENCHED IN MY DISTRICT THEY LOVE ME. I WANT TO KEEP THAT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY WHAT I'M DOING NOW. SO IF IF HIRING THESE PEOPLE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY AND I DON'T WANT TO DO IT I WANT THAT PERSON FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS. WHEN WE HAVE SPECIAL THINGS TO BE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY BIKE LANE PROJECTS TRAFFIC CALMING BRINGING FORWARD IDEAS ABOUT A COMMUNITY CENTER OR GOING TO SPECIAL MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNER PROJECTS THAT SORT OF THINGS. IT'S SOMEBODY THAT HAS A SPECIALIZED SKILL SET IT CAN BRING THINGS TO THE TABLE. WE ARE HAVING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION HERE AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE TIME TO GO OVER EVERYTHING BUT WHENEVER YOU COME BACK WITH WITH WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH LET US FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT GRACIE IS DOING BECAUSE I'M NOT FOR HIRING SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATORS. AND THEN ANOTHER IS ANOTHER PERSON IN THE OFFICE. I NO NOT ENOUGH THAT WOULD BE WASTING TAXPAYERS MONEY. I'M NOT DOING THAT. THANK YOU MR. GORDON. BASICALLY THERE IS A CONSENSUS AT HAND TO HAVE THE NUMBER ONE AS DISCUSSED IN HIRING OF A NEW PERSON AS CONSENSUS HAS BROUGHT AS FAR AS WHAT HAS ALSO BEEN DISCUSSED IS NOT ALL OF US WILL BE HIRING THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON. SO UNDERSTANDING ON BUDGET WISE AS WELL. VICE MAYOR DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADD. NO GO AHEAD. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR WHAT MY IDEA OF THIS COMMUNITY LAYS ON IS IT'S NOT TO DO MY JOB. IT IS NOT TO MEET WITH RESIDENTS WITHOUT ME. IT IS NOT MY INTENTION FOR THEM TO ANSWER MY EMAILS FOR ME. IT IS MY INTENTION THEM TO HELP ME ENHANCE MY PERFORMANCE IN BETTER SERVING MY RESIDENTS. THAT IS VERY CLEARLY MY INTENTION OF THAT I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. AS FAR AS OFFICE IF WE FIND THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE NOT UTILIZING COMMUNITY LIAISONS AND IT'S WORKING OUT WELL WITH JUST PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE WELL WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THIS. WE ARE USING THESE PEOPLE ON A PART TIME BASIS. THEY ARE PART TIME EMPLOYEE. THEY CAN COME AND THEY CAN GO. BUT I THINK THOSE OF US WHO FEEL THAT WE NEED THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TO ENHANCE OUR PERFORMANCE NOT DO OUR JOBS FOR US. AS FAR AS WHAT OFFICE STAFF DOES VERSUS THAT COMMUNITY LIAISON VASTLY DIFFERENT. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE NUANCES OF THE CITY. YOU KNOW IF YOU NEED SOMETHING FOR PURCHASING WHO YOU GOING TO GO TO. THIS PERSON IS NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT WHEREAS SOMEONE WORKING IN OUR OFFICE WILL KNOW THAT I WILL TELL YOU WHEN I SAY I DON'T USE GRACIE A LOT I'M BUGGING ROBIN I'M BUGGING GEENA FOR THINGS. SO IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT USING OFFICE STAFF I'M JUST KIND OF SPREADING THE WEALTH AROUND SO TO SPEAK. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR AND AND I AGREE I'D DO THE SAME THING BUT ALSO AS FAR AS WHAT GRACIE IS DOING OUR ADMINISTRATION IS DOING I BELIEVE THAT'S A HUMAN RESOURCES ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE SHE IS DOING HER JOB BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE HER FULL LIST OF WHAT HER RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AND THAT IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW OR DISSECTION THAT IS YOURS. SO ON THAT NOTE IS MY BELIEF THAT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU A CLEAR DIRECTIVE AND IF WE HAVE NOT PLEASE SAY SO NOW I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. SO I HEARD A CONSENSUS THAT YOU DO WANT A FULL TERM ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON NO OFFICE THAT WILL BE FOR THE MAYOR VICE MAYOR. THAT'S CORRECT WITH THE DESIGNATION OF WORK WITH THE MAYOR AND THE VICE MAYOR AND THEN GRACIE WOOD OR THE NEW PERSON WOULD REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONERS. AND THEN WE ARE STILL DOING THE FOUR UP TO FIVE PART TIME EMPLOYEES ONE FOR EACH UP TO TWENTY FIVE HOURS UNDER THE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR FOURTH AND THE REPEAL OF THE CURRENT CODE AS IT DEALS WITH LEGISLATIVE EIGHT IN ITS ENTIRETY IN ITS ENTIRETY. AND I WILL BRING IN THAT DISCUSSION ON INTERNSHIPS FRIDAY. YES. ALL RIGHT. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THE MODERN SUPPORT OF THAT AND THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT. COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT IS CURRENTLY 1 10. THERE IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WISHES TO BE DISCUSSED. 
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HOWEVER THERE IS A DESIRE FOR A RESTROOM BREAK. SO IF WE CAN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE FIVE MINUTES CAN WE BE BACK HERE 115. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DID KNOW FROM HERE ON INTO NEVER SITTING IDLE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND JUST BE THE MINIMUM OF AT LEAST TEN. SO APOLOGIES TO THOSE WHO ARE WAITING IN CYBER WORLDS AND SO I HAD BEEN 
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REQUESTED TO ADD ANOTHER ITEM TO THE AGENDA. AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO I'M NOT SURE IF I PUT THIS FIRST TO YOU SAM OR COMMISSIONER. MR. GALLONS ITEM. OK COMMISSIONER ON. OK. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA MY SELECTION FOR THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS SO I WAS ELECTED IN OFFICE NOVEMBER OF 2018 MAY 6TH OF 2018 WILL MAKE IT SIX MONTHS. SO THAT'S SIX MONTHS WHERE I'VE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELECT OR MAKE AN APPOINTMENT FOR MY BOARD APPOINTMENTS I'VE ASKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE. THERE'S I HAVE FOUR APPLICANTS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TWO OF WHICH ARE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE THERE'S A MAJOR PROJECT GOING ON AND THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER REPRESENTATION. SO WE WERE ALL TASKED WITH PROVIDING A LIFT TO THE CITY CLERK WHICH WAS DUE TO HER ON APRIL 17 BY NOON. AND I GAVE HER MY LIST OF MY APPOINTEES TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND TO THE PUBLIC OUR COMMITTEE. AND I'LL GIVE EVERYONE A LIST HERE. AND SO IT'S MY EXPECTATION THAT MY BOARD APPOINTMENTS SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WEDNESDAY MEETING AND AND I JUST WANT AND WANT TO KNOW WHY IT'S BASED ON THE CODE IF YOU CAN CLEAR THAT UP FOR ME SAM. WHY THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. A SMALL AMOUNT OF AIR CONDITIONING. THANK YOU. I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER GALEN THIS PAST WEEK WHICH RESULTED IN HIS REQUEST TO ME TO LOOK AT THE CODE WHICH RELATES TO SECTION TWO DASH 56 DUE TO DASH 61 AND IN PARTICULAR LOOKING AT THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS WHICH IS CONTAINED IN SECTION TWO DASH 58 WHICH IS THE OPERATIVE SECTION AND MR. STERN EDGE THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDED ALL OF YOU A COPY OF TWO DASH FIFTY EIGHT WHICH PROVIDED THE POINT BY POINT DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO BOARD APPOINTMENTS. THE KEY QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER YELLEN ASKED ME WAS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANYTHING I COULD HIGHLIGHT IN THE CODE THAT REQUIRED THAT THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS BE EN MASSE BE WITH ALL OF YOU. YOU ALL HAD TO DECIDE THE SAME ISSUE AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME MEETING. QUITE FRANKLY I CAN'T FIND THAT THE CODE DOES NOT EXIST. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU A POINT BY POINT ANALYSIS WHICH I SHARE WITH YOU ALL ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON THIS PAST WEEK WITH REGARD TO THE CONDITIONS AND ISSUES THAT OCCURRED COMMISSIONER GALLON IN PARTICULAR SUBMITTED THE NAMES OF HIS NOMINEES TO THE CLERK THE CLERK DID ASSEMBLE AS FAR AS I KNOW SHE FULFILLED HER ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY BY FULFILLING HER ROLE IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT. THE LIST OF LISTS WHICH WAS READY TO BE PUBLISHED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ULTIMATELY THE EVERYTHING WAS PERFORMED AND THE CLERK IS REQUIRED UNDER THE UNDER THE CODE AS YOU AS YOU KNOW FROM MY READING IN MY RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU TO SEND IT BACK BASICALLY TO THE COMMISSION. AND SECTION 2 DASH 58 E CLEARLY PROVIDES THAT NOMINEES SHALL BE APPROVED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND IT TAKES FOUR VOTES THE COMMISSION TO REJECT AN APPLICANT. THERE IS A PROVISION IN THAT THAT SEGMENT OF THE CODE THAT PROVIDES FOR THREE WILL PROVE IT TAKES FOUR TO REJECT. 
          BASED ON MY READING OF TWO DASH FIFTY EIGHT IN THE EVENT THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAS FULFILLED HIS LEGAL OBLIGATION SUBMITTING NAMES TO THE COMMISSION AND OTHERS MAY NOT HAVE DONE SO AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME HE SHOULD NOT BE A BARRIER. THERE'S NO LEGAL BARRIER OR BANDS TO HIM PRESENTING HIS NAMES FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION WILL THEN HAVE ITS PREROGATIVE TO EMPLOY WHICH IS IT CAN EITHER APPROVE THOSE THAT ARE REQUIRED OR IT CAN READ CAN REJECT IT IF IT SO CHOSE WHICH HE'S OBJECTION S THAT THAT PROCESS. THAT'S IT WORKS NOT JUST FOR COMMISSIONER YELLEN. IT'S THE SAME FOR ALL OF YOU. I MEAN TO THE EXTENT THAT I MUST OFFER THAT UP AS A AS A LEGAL OPTION IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE COMMISSIONER IT'S FOR THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE. SO IN THE ABSENCE OF A MASTER LIST BEING DELIVERED HE CAN'T BE HAMPERED BY THE LACK OF A LIST. HE DID HIS PART. HE SUBMITTED HIS LIST. I THINK HE LEGALLY HAS THE RIGHT TO GO TO THE COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY AND GET IT DONE. IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES OTHERWISE IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION HOW IT CHOOSES TO HANDLE HIS HIS NOMINEES. I KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE BUT WHATEVER IT WHATEVER NUMBER THERE MAY BE. AND I LEAVE MY CONVERSATION THERE 
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AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AS MAY REQUIRE. BUT THE FOCUS WAS ON THE CODE SECTION THAT RELATES TO THIS ISSUE IN THIS CODE SECTION BEEN AROUND FOR SOME PART OF TIME AS WELL BUT IT'S BEEN MODIFIED IN RECENT YEARS. IT DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN 20 YEARS AGO IT HAPPENED SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS MODIFIED TO PROVIDE A WHAT WAS WHAT WAS TO BE A UNIFORM PROCESS TO ACCOMMODATE THE COLLECTION COLLECTIVE NEEDS OF THE BODY AND AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS AS WELL. EVERYBODY YOU SAM. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME FROM THE DEATH MESMER THANK YOU. I HAVE A WELL I HAVE A COMMENT AND THEN A QUESTION FIRST OF ALL I HAVE NOT GIVEN MY LIST TO PAT ONLY BECAUSE I WANT TO SIT DOWN INDIVIDUALLY WITH EVERY ONE WHO APPLIED TO ALL THE COMMITTEES. MY QUESTION IS I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION OF OUR BOARDS AND HOW WE NEEDED TO MAYBE CHANGE ENHANCE WHATEVER TO THEM. WELL I. I THOUGHT WE HAD. AM I INCORRECT IN THAT IF I MAY I WILL SAY THAT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING ESPECIALLY AS STRATEGIC PLANNING. WE HAD TALKED THAT WE HAD GIVEN POWERS TO THE PLANNING BOARD THAT WERE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD WAS CREATED AS THE NEW CODE WENT THROUGH IN JULY 2000 18 AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SHARING SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS UP. ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB OF WHAT THE CITY NEEDED AND DID WE NEED TO EITHER REMOVE SOME OF THEM OR ADD SOME OF THEM. SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THERE ARE STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION REGARDING THAT BEFORE MAKING APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS SAY TO SOMEBODY HI WE'RE APPOINTING YOU BUT THERE'S A BOARD NO LONGER IN PLACE OR HIGH WE'RE APPOINTING YOU AND WE NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS BE FILLED BY YOU NEED TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OR NOT ONES OF WHICH WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED. SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. COMMISSIONER FISHMAN I SAW YOUR YES. THAT WAS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY MY REQUEST AT STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF EACH. LOOK AT THE ACTUAL COMMITTEES AND BOARDS THAT WE HAVE AND ENSURE THAT WHEN OUR RESIDENTS ARE APPLYING FOR THESE BOARDS AND SERVING ON THESE BOARDS THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISHMAN. COMMISSIONER BOLTON THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. I SAT RIGHT IN THIS CHAIR WHEN MS. CALLOWAY BROUGHT FORWARD THE CHANGES AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE BOARDS THAT WE HAVE SET FROM THIS CHAIR. AND I SAID WE ARE GIVING TOO MUCH POWER TO THIS BOARD AND THIS COMMISSION EXCEPT FOR OUR ADJUSTER. NO NO THAT'S FINE. THE POWERS THAT BE GIVEN THEM AS IS IS. NOW IF IT'S PERFECT IT'S WHATEVER IT IS I APPEAL TO THE COMMISSIONERS HAD SAID HEY WE'RE TAKING AWAY TOO MUCH POWERS FROM FROM THE COMMISSION AND WE'RE GIVING THIS POWER TO THE PLANNING BOARD. AND IT WAS OK THEN FOR FOR US TO GIVE UP POWER. SO WHAT IS CHANGE. IF I MAY. YES THAT WAS A DISCUSSION IN JUNE AND 2018 ON MY BUS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW SIX MONTHS NINE MONTHS AGO AT THIS RATE AND IT WAS NOT THAT IT WAS THIS AGREED UPON AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP IN MEETINGS SEPARATE FROM THE COMMISSION IT WAS MICHELLE THERE'LL BE A NEW COMMISSION IN PLACE. LET US DISCUSS IT AT THAT TIME AND THEN WE HAVE THE NEW COMMISSION TO GO FORWARD AND BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THIS AS A WHOLE AND CREATE. WHICH IS WHY WE STARTED OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING MONTHS AGO. I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY TO TRY FOR DECEMBER BUT IT WOUND UP STARTING IN JANUARY. THEN WE WENT THROUGH TO FEBRUARY AND WE STILL HAVE NOT FINISHED OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION WHICH WE'VE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION IS TO BE DISCUSSED A LITTLE MORE DETAIL TOMORROW AS WELL. SO THESE IT'S NOT THEY YOU WERE IT WAS NOT THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH YOU AT THE TIME OR AT LEAST I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. IT WAS I UNDERSTOOD AND MY PERSPECTIVE WAS YES THERE WILL BE A NEW COMMISSION AND THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME WITH THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME IS TO MAJORITY NOW. SO RIGHT. SO LET ME SAY THAT WE WE DID NOT KNOW THAT AT THE TIME NOR DID WE KNOW IT BUT THE COMMISSION THEN AND NOW IS THE SAME COMMISSION WHERE MAJORITY IS CONCERNED. SO WHEN I SAID THAT THE POWERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAS I WAS BEING GIVEN WAS TOO MUCH. IF IT IF IT WERE 
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THE IF IT IF IT WERE UP TO EVERYBODY TO SAY NO TO AGREE WITH ME AT THE TIME SAY HEY YEAH YEAH YEAH. THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE VOTES TO SAY NO LET'S LET'S LET'S REDUCE THE POWERS OR LET'S NOT GIVE THEM THE POWERS AT THAT TIME. PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THAT IT'S REVERSE SAME THING THAT I BROUGHT UP THIS MORNING. WE FIGHT BATTLES WE FIGHT BATTLES AND BECAUSE OF OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY WE COME BACK AND WE SAY OH BUT BY THE WAY. YEAH. YOU YOU WERE RIGHT BECAUSE WE DON'T LOOK FORWARD AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY BACK THEN. LIKE HEY WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE OUR TIME. DON'T MAKE THE DON'T GIVE THESE POWERS NOW AND AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. EVERYBODY SAYS THAT IF I MAY COMMISSION WALTON ON THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW. THE COMMENTARY IS NOT GIVE THE POWERS NOW THE PROCESS WE WERE DEALING WITH WAS A THREE YEAR PROCESS AND TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS AND THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE WERE HAVING IS WHY THE POWERS WERE GIVEN AND KNOWING THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ABILITY TO MODIFY THEIR AFTER. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A VACUUM IT'S LOOKING AT THE PROGRESSION OF POLICY AS IT IS BEING MADE AND GOING THROUGH AND AS YOU ARE AWARE SOMETIMES THE INFORMATION IS GATHERED AS WE GO FORWARD AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T DO THINGS MERELY WHEN WE WANTED TO DO IT. WE HAVE LIFE IT MOVES ON AND SO WE HAVE NOT GONE INTO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO WHICH IS AT THIS TIME WE HAD TO PUT WHAT WE PUT IN PLACE AND NOW WE NEED TO DO THE NEXT STEP WHICH IS FIX OUR BOARDS WHICH AGAIN IS NOT JUST ONE IT IS A DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME WE HAVE THREE ACT VERY ACTIVE BOARDS WHICH WE ARE ALSO SEEING THAT WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING PARTICIPATION FROM OUR COMMUNITY TO EVEN BE PLACED ON THEM. SO THERE IS AN INHERENT ISSUE WE HAVE AT THIS TIME WITH OUR BOARD STRUCTURE AND THERE'S A NEED FOR A MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION OF HOW TO FIX IT. 
          AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOEVER IS BEING PUT FORTH OR THE COMMISSIONER GALLONS PUTTING FORTH THESE COMMENTS. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED BILLY THEY WILL BE MADE IF COMMISSIONER FISHMAN VICE MAYOR OR YOURSELF WOULD BE PUT FORTH. AND YES I HAVE SEVERAL TO BE PUT FORTH AND I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS PROCESS WHERE THERE ARE ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE ALTERNATE THAT WE ARE SELECTING AND I DON'T SEE THE PROVISION IN A MANNER IN WHICH IF WE ARE SELECTING ANY ALTERNATES OR ONE OF THE BOARDS AND ALSO THE CONFUSION I HAVE OF WHEN AS THE MAYOR I GET TO SELECT AND I DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE SELECTIONS AND I ALSO TO WANT TO HAVE A ROUNDED BOARD. SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT IS NOT YET TO BE HAD WE HAVEN'T HAD IT WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE SAID CONTINUOUSLY IS STRATEGIC PLANNING. WE WANT TO GO FORTH AND HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION. I SEE YOU AT THIS TIME THROUGH THE CHAIR. CAN CAN LET ME PLEASE. WITH COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER BOLTON HAS THE FLOOR PLEASE. 
          OKAY. SO SO SO THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES OR THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY AT THE BOARD HAS THIS BOARD OR OTHER BOARDS. WHY DON'T WE TABLE ALL ITEMS THAT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE THOSE BOARDS UNTIL WE HAVE MADE THE CHANGE SO EVERYTHING THAT'S GO INTO THE PLANNING BOARD. NOW LET IT COME TO THE COMMISSION UNTIL WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES. PERHAPS THERE'S NO QUESTION FOR YOU BUT IS THAT A. SAM MAY RESPOND THERE. YES YOU MAY. BUT I WILL MAKE IT. THE CODE IS THE CODE UNLESS YOU CHANGE IT. YOU CAN'T SIMPLY BY WHIM BECAUSE IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF LET'S GET IT DONE RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY MAKE A CHANGE IN THE CODE ITSELF TO ACTUALLY MODIFY IT. SO WITH DUE RESPECT TO WHAT IS A SIT THERE'S A THEORY YOU LEARN IN LAW SCHOOL WHICH IS WISHING DOESN'T MAKE IT SO WISHING TO GET IT DONE DOESN'T MAKE IT SO UNLESS YOU MAKE IT SO AND UNDER FLORIDA LAW THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES IT. READING I RECOGNIZE YOUR EXPEDIENCY AND THE NEED TO DO SOMETHING MORE QUICKLY BUT UNFORTUNATELY THINKING ABOUT CHANGING THE CODE DOESN'T SUSPEND THE CODE ITSELF RIGHT. IT DOESN'T. SO THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE CODE. RIGHT. AND SO. SO THEN BECAUSE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T TABLE WHAT'S GOING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR 
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APPOINTMENTS LET THE APPOINTMENTS GO THROUGH. AND THEN IF IN THE FUTURE WE NEED TO TAKE BACK THE POWER OR REVISIT THE BOARD OR GET RID OF THEM. NOW WE GET THE REVIEW BOARDS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THEIR BUT WE CAN'T WE. WE CAN DELAY A PROCESS THAT WE CAN'T DELAY AN APPOINTMENT BECAUSE WE PERHAPS WILL CHANGE THE BOARD OR DELETE THEM. WE HAVE TO LET THE PROCESS GO THROUGH. I WAS TOLD WHEN I CAME HERE OH YOU GOT TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND THE PROCESS IS IN THE PROCESS IS THAT. AND THAT'S THEIR STUFF AND THEN I HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE PROCESS. I WAS BEATEN DOWN. OH YOU CAN DO THAT. LET THE PROCESS GO. IF IF IF THERE IS AN APPOINTMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE. LET IT BE MADE. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE WE NEED TO CHANGE THE BOARD WE CHANGE THE BOARD. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT IS SAID ABOUT ABOVE THAT THEN IT'S THIS IS ALL POLITICAL FOR PERSONAL REASONS NECESSARILY. OH LET THE APPOINTMENTS FOR THE BOARD BE BE DONE. LET ME LET ME GO THROUGH. LET IT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND IF IN THE FUTURE THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO CHANGE THE ABILITY THE ROLLS OR DELETE THE BOARDS LET IT BE DONE. BUT WE CAN'T DELAY AN APPOINTMENT SIMPLY BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE WE MAY NOT. THAT'S YOUR WORDS. YOU MAY CHANGE A BOARD OR DELETE IT. I'VE NOT I'VE NOT GIVEN MY APPOINTMENT TO THE CLERK BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT I HAD TO SUBMIT IT SIMULTANEOUSLY OR ON A LIST AND NOW I'M HEARING THAT I DON'T NEED A LIST. SO I WOULD LIKE MY APPOINTMENT TO GO FORWARD ON WEDNESDAY AS WELL. AND I CAN FIGURE OUT WHY I NEED TO APPOINT BEFORE THE DAY ENDS SO THAT THE CLERK WILL HAVE INFLUENCE AS YET. SO I ALSO RECALL THE DISCUSSION AT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING ABOUT A DESIRE TO REVIEW BOARDS. BUT THERE WAS NEVER A DISCUSSION AND THERE WAS NEVER A PLAN TO CEASE THE APPOINTMENT OF ANYONE TO ANY PARTICULAR BOARD. AND AGAIN FOR MONTHS I'VE BEEN ASKING TO MAKE MY APPOINTMENT AND I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WERE DELAYED FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER BUT IN TERMS OF RESPECTING THE CODE AND RESPECTING THE PROCESS THE CODE IN THE PROCESS AS I AND EVERYONE ELSE HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK WE WERE GIVEN A MEMO WE WERE TOLD THAT IF WE GOT THE NAMES TO HER BY THE DATE CERTAIN THAT IT WOULD BE ON THE COMMISSION MEETING BY THE WEDNESDAY MEETING. SO I MADE THE REQUEST AND I EXPECT THE REQUEST TO BE HONORED. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU CAN CLARIFY SAM IF I EVEN NEED THIS BOARD'S APPROVAL TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY. IS THAT IN THE CODE YOU WOULD. THE ANSWER IS IS THAT YOU HAVE. YOU HAVE A DIRECT LEGAL RIGHT FOR ACCESS TO THE COMMISSION AGENDA. AND I'D ANSWER THAT SAME QUESTION THE SAME FOR ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES MY ISOLATION AND SEVERAL HAVE BY THE WAY BUT. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT THEY'VE ASKED ABOUT IT I PUBLISHED THE E-MAIL TO YOU TO ALL OF YOU BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO EACH OF YOU EQUALLY. RIGHT. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT THAT'S THE LEGAL ANSWER FOR APPOINTMENT PROCESSES THAT IS THE POINT IS SUBJECT TO OF COURSE LITTLE THE COMMISSION OR REJECTION. RIGHT CAUSE DEPRESSION HAS A RIGHT TO DO SO BASICALLY. I HEAR COMMISSIONER GOING AND I UNDERSTAND. BUT I GUESS THERE WAS A WORKSHOP IN PROCESS ONE THAT PASSES FOR YOU. SO I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF I LIKE THE OTHERS WHO ARE ON THE COMMISSION CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES BUT WHEN WE DISCUSS THINGS ON A STRATEGIC PLANNING BASIS THAT WE KNOW ARE COMING UP FOR DISCUSSION AND WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION IT WAS A PRESUMPTION WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH PRESUMPTION THAT THINGS WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER AS A COMMISSION BECAUSE WE TRY TO PUT THEM ON TOGETHER AS A COMMISSION FOR AT LEAST THE FIRST INITIAL APPOINTMENTS. AND AGAIN TO NOT HAVE I WELCOME TO A BOARD. SEE YOU LATER YOU'RE NOT WELCOME ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING YOUR BOARD ANYMORE OR ANY OTHER SORT. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION AS WELL THAT IT MAY BE MISSED. COMMISSIONER BOLTON YEAH I KNOW COMMISSIONER BOLTON I PEOPLE I'VE HEARD YOU I PROMISE YOU YOU'VE BEEN HURT. YOU'VE HEARD ME. I HAVE YOU KNOW I'VE CLEAN MY EARS. I KNOW HOW TO LISTEN ON. SO BASICALLY WHETHER OR NOT THIS GOES FORWARD THE REQUEST FOR BY COMMISSIONER AND GO IN AND ACTUALLY AT THIS TIME AS WELL FOR COMMISSIONER BOLTON TO PUT THEIR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IS AT THEIR WILL AND THEY CAN DO THAT. IT IS ALSO AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION IF IT WISHES TO TABLE THIS DISCUSSION TO ANOTHER TIME. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD BY THE COMMISSION THAT JUST BECAUSE IT GOES ON THE AGENDA IF IT SHOULD GO ON THE AGENDA DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT WILL BE PART OF THE AGENDA. IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE TO RESPOND. IT'S JUST NOT A MINIMUM COMMISSION. TABLING REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT 
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WOULD WHAT WOULD GO BEFORE THE COMMISSION WOULD BE A RESOLUTION I SEE AND ADDED BY THE CLERK WHICH WOULD HAVE THE NAMES IT'S A FORM DOCUMENT THAT YOU SEEM PREPARED TO TIME AND RESOLUTIONS REQUIRE THROUGH. BUT THERE'S NO SUPERMAJORITY REQUIRED TO APPROVE NOMINEES FOR THESE BOARDS. AND WE ALSO DO YOU HAVE A STRATEGIC WE HAVE A QUARTERLY FINANCIAL MEETING TOMORROW WHICH AT THIS QUARTERLY FINANCIAL MEETING WE HAVE ALSO HAVE A LIST OF ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED BEFORE US FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION PART OF STRATEGIC PLANNING. AND THIS ITEM CAN EITHER BE FULLY DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TOMORROW IF TIME PERMITS. OR IT MAY OR MAY NOT. THERE IS AN EVOLVING SITUATION. AND SO THERE IS AN AGENDA FOR THE MEETING TOMORROW BECAUSE IT IS MY HERE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL MEETING. I EXPECT TO HEAR ABOUT NUMBERS AND NOT ABOUT ANY STRATEGIC PLAN. THE AGENDA HAS BEEN EMAILED THOSE E-MAILS OF US LAST WEEK. 
          JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD AS IN THE MEMO HAS FOUR REGULAR MEMBERS AND ALL FOUR HAVE EXPIRED. THEIR PAST THEIR TERMS. WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATE MEMBERS AND THEIR TERMS HAVE EXPIRED. SO THIS IS WELL BEYOND WHAT IT SHOULD BE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE MADE OUR APPOINTMENTS A LONG TIME AGO. AND AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO'S ON THE PLANNING BOARD RIGHT NOW THAT'S REPRESENTING DISTRICT 2 AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT. AND SO ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ALSO IS FOR US TO AT A TIME CERTAIN TO THE CODE SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE IS ELECTED INTO OFFICE THEY HAVE BETWEEN 30 AND 45 DAYS WHENEVER WE DECIDE TO HAVE A CLERK ADVERTISE AND THEN THE ELECTED COMMISSIONER AS BETWEEN 30 AND 45 DAYS TO MAKE THEIR APPOINTMENT AND THAT I BELIEVE IS SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AMENDING BOARDS AND COMMITTEES OR WE CAN SEE IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS NOW. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM BECAUSE IT STILL COULD BE PUT FORTH ON THE DESK ON WEDNESDAY AND THIS DISCUSSION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST THE ADAM IF I MAY QUICKLY JUST TO BE CLEAR THE RESOLUTIONS OF APPOINTMENT WITH REGARD TO COMMISSIONER GALLONS OR COMMISSIONER BOLTON'S APPOINTEES WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY AS ADD ONS PERIOD IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MODIFYING THE CODE OR HOW YOU DEAL WITH APPOINTMENTS. I SUGGESTED THAT THAT THAT'S GOING REQUIRE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION AT A TIME WHEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY COME TO A CONSENSUS OR DIRECT US IN A PUBLIC MEETING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE COMMISSIONER BUT TO CHANGE THAT CODE AND REQUIRE SOME CONVERSATION. AND JUST ONE MORE THING WITH THE RISK OF BEING PENALIZED FOR THE CONVERSATION. FLORIDA'S A HOLDOVER STATE AND THEN TO THAT EXTENT IS THAT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO DO ITS BUSINESS APPOINTEES TYPICALLY HOLD THEIR SEASON TILL HER SUCCESSORS ARE QUALIFIED. THE POINT IS YOU DON'T LOSE THE ABILITY TO DO THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THOSE THAT HAVE IT WHEN THEIR TERMS THEORETICALLY EXPIRED BUT THEY TECHNICALLY ARE LEGALLY RIGHT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SIT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION UNTIL THEIR SUCCESSORS ARE APPOINTED SO YOU DON'T LOSE TRACK OF PUBLIC BUSINESS THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY MAKING APPOINTMENTS REPLACES THEM AND GIVES YOU THAT OPTION WHEN YOU HAVE THAT LEGAL OPTION TO DO THAT WHICH IS WHAT YOU'LL DO ON WEDNESDAY. SO WERE THE FOLKS ON THE BOARD REAPPOINTED TO THEIR POSITIONS. NO THEY'RE JUST HOLDOVER. IT'S WHAT THEY CALL HOLDOVER POSITIONS. SO GOVERNORS APPOINTMENTS STATE APPOINTMENTS ET CETERA UNDER THE FLORIDA FLORIDA LAW. BASICALLY THEY'RE THERE THEY'RE HOLDOVER TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE NOT OTHERWISE REPLACED. THANK YOU SAM. VICE MAYOR DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION THANK YOU. WHEN WILL WE WE BE DISCUSSING THE BOARD'S CONCERNS WITH THE ONE OF YOU PLANNING ITEMS. OK. WAS TWO THINGS TO TALK ABOUT TOMORROW. AND WE WILL BE DISCUSSING IT TOMORROW. IT'S ON THE LIST. OK IT'S 25 IT. OK ALL RIGHT. IT'S A PRIMARY FOCUS FOR TOMORROW'S MEETING IS FINANCIAL. THE FINANCIAL QUARTERLY FINANCIAL UPDATE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THAT AND THEN MOVING ALONG ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THAT LIST WHICH IS FOUR PAGES FIVE PAGES OF SMALL TYPES SIGNIFICANT TO NARROW DOWN ALL THE WISHES OF WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED FOR DURING STRATEGIC PLANNING AND BEING ABLE TO BALANCE THAT OUT COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS THERE ANYTHING NEW YOU NEW YOU WISH TO ADD. SAM YOU YOU SAID IT TAKES FIVE TO APPROVE AND FOR FORD TO REJECT TO REJECT. 
          YES GET THE CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS. YOU SAID FIVE TO APPROVED FORD. THAT'S NO. NO MAJORITY NOW MAJORITY MAJORITY OR THREE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION COULD TABLE A RESOLUTION. BUT LONG BEFORE THAT YOU SAID THAT HAMMERED HOME HOW MANY BY THREE TO APPROVE SOMEBODIES APPOINTMENT. YEAH RIGHT RIGHT. THREE FOUR. AND YOU NEED FOUR PEOPLE TO REJECT TO REJECT IT. YES LISTED COMMISSIONER TO THE FOUR PEOPLE TO REMOVE FROM THE LIST. YOU HAVE THE LIST OF NOMINATED NET MEMBERS THE LIST FOR EACH 
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RESPECTIVE ADVISORY BOARD AND COMMITTEE SHALL BE APPROVED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COMMISSION IN THE EVENT THAT THE MAYOR OF COMMISSION HAS AN OBJECTION. ANY SPECIFIC SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL AMERICAN MISSION SHALL MOVE TO REMOVE THAT INDIVIDUAL FROM THE LIST IN ORDER TO REMOVE AN INDIVIDUAL LIST. THE MOTION MUST BE APPROVED BY AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF FOUR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION. RIGHT. 
          SO. SO FORGET ABOUT TABLING FOR NOW. IT'S IT'S IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND NOBODY IS TABLED IN IRAQ. IT TAKES THREE PEOPLE TO APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT. YES. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT PERSON IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR PEOPLE TO REJECT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THEN MOVING TO TABLING IT NEEDS THREE PEOPLE TO TABLE THE ITEM SO THAT YOU CAN DERAIL THE APPOINTMENT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T REJECT IT WITH THREE AND BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THREE VOTES BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT UP FOR FOUR VOTE YOU JUST YOU JUST TAKE IT OFF WITH THREE MAY I RESPOND. GOOD POINT COMMISSIONER EXCEPT UNDER FLORIDA LAW IF YOU DEFER AND TABLE AND TABLE AND TABLE AGAIN THAT THAT'S AN THAT IS A CONSTRUCTIVE REJECTION WHICH THE LAW DOES NOT DOES NOT SUPPORT. SO IF FOR EXAMPLE COMMISSIONER YELLEN SUPPORTS HIS NOMINEES ON WEDNESDAY AND IT'S TABLE FOR SOME PARTICULAR REASON TABLING INDEFINITELY IS IN FACT A REJECTION. IT IS A IT IS CONSTRUCTIVE REJECTION WHICH THE LAW DOES NOT FAVOR. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU DO THAT ON A PERIODIC BASIS IT PUTS AN AT RISK LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE DOING WHICH OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY FOUR VOTES BUT TO THE CHAIR. JUST BRINGING UP TABLING RIGHT NOW AS I MENTIONED BASICALLY SAYING THIS IS MY STRATEGY NOT TO APPROVE YOUR APPOINTMENT BUT THERE IS ALSO A TABLING TO A TIME CERTAIN THERE ARE VARIOUS TABLING OPTIONS AT THE TABLE. THERE'S TABLE TO A TIME SIGNAL WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS TO OUR COMMISSION AND THESE ARE THROUGH OUR RATHER. AND THAT IS THAT IS THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BRING MY APPOINTMENT ON WEDNESDAY. AND THEN THE ITEM GETS TABLED BECAUSE I'VE HAD MY DRAWBACKS TO WHO HAS APPLIED. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT MY FRIENDS. I DON'T KNOW THEM. AND SO THE HUMAN SIDE OF ME IS SAYING DON'T MAKE THE APPOINTMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE AND YOU'RE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. THAT ISN'T THIS IS APPLIED AT THE SAME TIME. I CANNOT I CANNOT NOT MAKE AN APPOINTMENT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW SOMEBODY OR BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MY FRIEND. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO BRING MY APPOINTMENT ON WEDNESDAY AND THEN I HAVE A TABLE. AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD APPOINTMENT. THAT BRINGS KNOW FRESH IDEAS TO THE PLANNING BOARD. I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. SO IF THAT IF THAT IS THE IF THAT IS THE PLAN YOU KNOW IS LEGISLATE FROM NOW. SO I DON'T I DON'T WASTE THE CLERK'S TIME IF SOMETHING. SO. SO CAN WE CAN WE IN THIS WORKSHOP SOUND SAY WELL WE DON'T WANT TO DO APPOINTMENTS ON A WEDNESDAY AND IF IT COMES ON WEDNESDAY WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT CAN WE HYPOTHETICALLY SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I'M OUT OF HERE. I DON'T WANT TO BRING AN APPOINTMENT AND THEN IT'S TABLE RIGHT WOULDN'T BE FAIR. YOUR RIGHTS AS A COMMISSIONER AND THAT COMMISSIONER GUILLEN AND ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER TO GAIN ACCESS WEDNESDAY IS AUTOMATIC BECAUSE THERE'S NO BAR IN THE CODE THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR COLLEAGUES CONSIDERED THE NOMINEES THAT YOU OTHERWISE SUPPORT. YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE PREMISE OF THIS. MY LEGAL ANSWER WHICH IS YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY TO HAVE YOUR APPOINTMENTS ON THE RECORD CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION EITHER ACCEPTED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OR REJECTED BY A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE AS TO TABLING. I CAN'T SPECULATE WHAT WILL HAPPEN BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS IF ANYONE TABLES TO A TIME UNCERTAIN THAT IS THAT IS THAT IS A CONSTRUCTIVE REJECTION OF THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION WHICH DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA THE CODE AND IT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE FOUR VOTES. HOW MANY TIMES CAN YOU BUY IT FOR IT TO QUALIFY AS SOME CONCERN IT'S FACT DRIVEN I CAN'T KNOW LESS THAN A HOME HOW MANY TIMES THAT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU BEGIN TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE'S RIGHTS ARE AFFECTED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET PAST THE BAR OF A DECISION THEN IT BECOMES A LEGAL ISSUE. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THAT'S AGAIN I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. I CAN'T SPECULATE ON WHAT THE COMMISSION COULD OR MIGHT DO AND HOW MANY TIMES THEY COULD ON MY TABLE. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF THEY MOVE TO TABLE IT INDEFINITELY THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE JUST REJECTED THAT THAT THAT REQUIRES FOUR VOTES. AND BECAUSE BECAUSE THIS COMMISSION HAS NOT GIVEN AND HAS NOT GIVEN ANY DEFINITE WHAT'S THE WORD. WE'VE NOT GIVEN AN INDEFINITE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO CHANGE THE BOARDS OR MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE BOARDS. THAT WOULDN'T BE A PLAUSIBLE REASON TO TABLE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'VE 
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NOT GIVEN ANY DIRECTION TO SAY OK REVISIT THE BOARDS COME BACK TO US AT A TIME CERTAIN. WE'VE NOT DONE THAT. AND IF I MAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CLEAN AIR IS HERE WITH US. AND I BELIEVE I HAVE WHICH IS MY RIGHT. SO. SO I'M SAYING RIGHT WE'VE NOT GIVEN ANY DIRECTION TO SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE BOARDS OR WE'RE GOING TO MODIFY WHAT THEY DO. WE'VE NOT MADE THAT DIRECTION YET. AND TO NOW WE'VE NOT I'VE NOT HEARD CONSENSUS TO DO THAT. SO TABLING SOMETHING ON WEDNESDAY BECAUSE TO SAY ALWAYS THINKING OF CHANGING THE BOARDS SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TABLING IT WOULD THAT BE LEGAL SOME WITH IT YOU'RE THERE'S NO STATEMENT TO RESPOND IF I CAN'T. THAT AMERICAN MEASURES. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A MORATORIUM ON THIS ISSUE OR A ZONING AND PROGRESS OPTION WHERE YOU'RE CONSIDERING A CHANGE TO THE CODE REGARDING BOARD APPOINTMENTS AND THAT AUTOMATICALLY WOULD STAY THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS. THERE'S NO SUCH LEGAL ANIMAL IN THIS CONVERSATION. WE CAN'T DO IT RIGHT. IF I MAY WHAT I'M HEARING IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO BEANS THERE'S NOT BEEN A SPECIFIC OBJECTIVE OR DIRECTIVE TO THE EXECUTIVE TEAM TO BRING BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE BOARDS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING IT IS ON OUR LIST JUST LIKE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THINGS PIECEMEAL LOCAL BUSINESS ORDINANCE GOT PUSHED TO THE FRONT. SMALL BUSINESS PLANNING GOT PUSHED OR FRONT DISCUSSION ON SISTER CITIES GOT PUSHED TO THE FRONT. THERE ARE CERTAIN OTHER THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER GUNN HAS PUT FORTH AND HAS BEEN PUSHED TO THE FRONT. AND THESE WERE ALL THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THAT STAGE STRATEGIC PLANNING. SO THIS IS IT DOES IN MY OPINION BELIEVE THAT THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING WHICH HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ORGAN IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DISCUSS. YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM THE VICE MAYOR YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM COMMISSIONER FISHMAN. THESE ARE ALL CONCERNS THAT WE VERY MUCH DO HAVE. AND WE WISH TO MOVE FORWARD WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER REASON WHY AFTER A FINANCIAL REPORT IS DONE TOMORROW IF THERE IS TIME THAT REALLY LONG LIST IS WHAT WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WHICH IS WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN TASKED TO PRIORITIZE FOR TOMORROW AND START THE DISCUSSION. SO THIS IS NOT SOME HYPOTHETICAL THE HYPOTHETICAL IS OR THE UNKNOWN IS WHETHER OR NOT THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION AS A COMMISSION THERE WILL BE CHANGES OR WILL NOT BE CHANGES BUT THERE HAS BEEN A SPECIFIC REQUEST TO MODIFY AND DISCUSS OR DISCUSS MODIFICATION OF THESE BOARDS. THAT IS NOT A HYPOTHETICAL THAT IS NOT A CHANCE. NOW ON THAT NOTE SINCE IT IS CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SAYING WHETHER OR NOT COMMISSIONER BOLTON OR COMMISSIONER YELLEN WILL BE PUTTING FORTH THEIR SELECTION WE STILL DO HAVE MEETINGS TOMORROW. AND THIS ITEM IS NOT GOING TO BE RESOLVED AT THIS TIME THERE IS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES ON BOARD IF THERE SHOULD BE A TABLING THAT IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE TABLING TO A TIME CERTAIN WHICH MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE KNOWN UNTIL POSSIBLY FINISHING OFF TOMORROW'S CONVERSATION IF THERE WILL BE A TIME CERTAIN WE CAN PEG OR NOT. SO ANYWAY ON THAT NOTE IF I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT IS IT ANYTHING NEW. IS IT ANYTHING NEW TO ADD. YES IT'S VERY NEW. OKAY. PLEASE. SO FIRST TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT ITEMS THAT I REQUESTED BEING PUSHED AHEAD. IT'S JUST A CONSISTENT EXAMPLE NOT THAT IT WAS YOURS. IT'S JUST THE EXAMPLE. OK SO BUT I CONSISTENTLY ASK MIKE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK ON CERTAIN ITEMS AND INTRODUCE PEOPLE TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION. THE NEW ITEM I WANT TO BRING UP IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD OR I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MY APPOINTMENTS. AND IT SEEMS LIKE A PLAN IS ALREADY IN PLACE TO TABLE THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ITEM THAT IMPACTS ANYTHING FOR DISTRICT 2 IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE BE BROUGHT TO THE CURRENT PLANNING AND PUBLIC. OUR COMMITTEE SINCE I DON'T HAVE REPRESENTATION IF I CAN I BELIEVE SAM HAS ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT MATTER. WE DO NOT HAVE A ZONING ORDINANCE PROCESS. WE DO NOT HAVE A MORATORIUM. IT IS A HOLDOVER ITEM THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN LEGISLATE AND ACTUALLY BRING FORTH ON ANOTHER ITEM. COMMISSIONER FISHMAN'S HUMAN TRAFFICKING WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS ON STRATEGIC PLANNING AS WELL. IT IS NOT DELINEATED JUST PARTICULARLY TO YOU IT'S JUST THE FIRST TWO THINGS THAT POPPED IN THIS SPECIAL BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED THEM TODAY OF THOSE ITEMS THROUGH STRATEGIC PLANNING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WE ARE MOVING FORWARD THROUGH STRATEGIC PLANNING AND SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD AND SOME THINGS HAVE NOT. AND AGAIN WE ALL HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR TOMORROW TO HAVE OUR TOP THREE ITEMS FOR PREPARATION AND DISCUSSION IF THEIR TIME ALLOWS AFTER THE FINANCIAL WORKSHOP. HERE'S MY NEW QUESTION. IS IT THROUGH THE CHAIR. IS IT WOULD IT BE TOO LATE TO GIVE YOU MY APPOINTMENT AFTER TOMORROW'S MEETING. 
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BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HINGING ON IT. IT'S KIND OF A TIGHT TIME FRAME BECAUSE THE MEETING IS AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING AND I WOULD NEED TIME TO DRAFT THE RESOLUTION. CAN YOU DRAFT A RESOLUTION AND LEAVE THE MAIN BLANK AFTER TOMORROW'S MEETING. I COULD PROBABLY DO THAT. OK. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE TOMORROW'S MEETING IS GOING TO DICTATE WHETHER WE MOVE ON WITH THE BOARDS OR NOT AND AFTER TOMORROW'S MEETING I CAN MAKE MY APPOINTMENT IF NOT I JUST I JUST WON'T MAKE IT. I MEAN IT'S IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THE CURRENT TIME IS ONE FIFTY FIVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE. GO ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR MONDAY. FOR THOSE OF YOU WE WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW BEFORE AND SEE YOU TOMORROW. THOSE OF DO SEE WE'LL SEE ON WEDNESDAY MORNING LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THEN. THANK YOU. 
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