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>> WELL, GOOD MORNING. NOW WE ARE DEFINITELY ON THE RECORD.
[Call to Order]
>> I GUESS COMMISSIONER DANIEL WILL BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY, SORRY.
BUT GOOD MORNING, GOOD TO KNOW.
WE WILL NOW START THIS MEETING, IT IS 10 O'CLOCK.
CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, GOOD MORNING. MAYOR GOMEZ?
>> COMMISSIONER DANIEL? I BELIEVE SHE'S ONLINE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE MY COMPUTER UP TO BE ABLE TO SEE HER ONLINE.
I DID NOT KNOW SHE WAS GOING TO BE ON TEAMS. I'LL GET MY COMPUTER SOMEHOW IN BETWEEN THIS, SO I COULD BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR HANDS BEING RAISED SO I CAN KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK.
COMMISSIONER DANIEL? AT THIS TIME [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANKS. I GUESS I'M LEADING US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
IF EVERYONE WILL PLEASE STAND.
PLEASE BE SEATED. FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY AND ADVISORY SERVICES PROPOSAL
[1.a Feasibility Study and Advisory Services Proposal for The Future City Hall and NewGovernment Center Campus]
FOR THE FUTURE CITY HALL AND NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER CAMPUS.PRESENTATION WILL BE BY MAXINE CALLOWAY, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND KEN KRASNOW, VICE CHAIRMAN INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR SERVICES OF COLLIERS INTERNATIONAL, FLORIDA. WELCOME.
>> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, COMMISSION, MAXINE CALLOWAY FOR THE RECORD, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
WITH ME THIS MORNING WE HAVE KEN KRASNOW FROM COLLIERS WHO'S HERE TO ASSIST ME WITH THIS PRESENTATION.
BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO KEN, JUST WANT TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM OVERVIEW.
BUT AS YOU RECALL BACK IN FEBRUARY 2023, YOU REQUESTED DURING THAT MEETING, FOR AN UPDATE ON THESE PARCELS FOR THE CITY'S FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS.
AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY AT THE TIME WAS LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES AND TRYING TO DETERMINE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AND HOW TO BEST APPROACH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE PROPERTIES.
YOU ASKED FOR AN UPDATE AND ON JUNE 2023 WE PROVIDED THAT UPDATE TO YOU AND RECEIVED CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUTTING THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO ON YOUR WEDNESDAY MEETING, JULY 12TH, THERE'S TR NUMBER 13972 THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO REVITALIZE OUTDATED AND UNDERUTILIZED CITY OWNED PROPERTIES TO CREATE BETTER EFFICIENCIES FOR CONSOLIDATED GOVERNMENT SERVICES, FOSTER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE NEW AND IMPROVED COMMUNITY AMENITIES, SUCH AS RESTAURANTS AND FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT, AND TO ENHANCE ULTIMATELY THE CITY'S TAX BASE.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER NOW TO KEN WHO WILL GO THROUGH A BIT OF BOTH PROPOSALS THAT WILL BE ON WEDNESDAYS AGENDA.
>> GOOD MORNING. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
>> YES. EXCUSE ME, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ONE AT A TIME.
NOW WE'RE DOING THE FIRST STUDY.
>> GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, MAXINE.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, KEN KRASNOW FROM COLLIERS.
AS MS. CALLOWAY SAID, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF VERY EXCITING AND TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECTS POTENTIALLY HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
I'M GOING TO START WITH THE FIRST POTENTIAL PROJECT, WHICH IS A POTENTIAL NEW CITY HALL/CIVIC CENTER AND CREATING A NEW DOWNTOWN CENTER IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
THE AGENDA, QUICKLY, WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, I'LL GO OVER THE EXISTING SITES.
I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR WORKPLACE ADVISORY SERVICES, GO THROUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT STRUCTURE.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT COLLIERS, YOU KNOW ABOUT COLLIERS.
HOPEFULLY THE PRESENTATION I THINK IS IN IN FRONT OF YOU OR YOU ARE PROVIDED COPIES OF THE PRESENTATION.
LET ME START WITH THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND SPEND A COUPLE OF MINUTES HERE,
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BECAUSE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS REALLY MEANT TO DO JUST THAT.IT'S AN ANALYSIS, THERE'S NO DECISIONS OR DIRECTION BEING TAKEN, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST TO GIVE ALL OF YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT COULD BE DONE AND WHAT THE APPROPRIATE USES AND MIXES OF USES COULD BE ON A COUPLE OF CITY-OWNED SITES THAT AS MS. CALLOWAY SAID, WE FEEL ARE VERY VALUABLE AND VASTLY UNDERUTILIZED.
YOU ARE IN A TRULY EXCITING POSITION BECAUSE YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF THESE TWO ASSETS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE THAT WE'RE ON CURRENTLY, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL THE EXISTING CITY HALL, AND THEN THE SITE, WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE NOB HILL COMMERCE/CIVIC CENTER.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY IS TO LOOK AT THE CIVIC CENTER AS A POTENTIAL, WHAT IS TRULY A CITY CENTER, A MIX OF COMMERCE, ENTERTAINMENT, AND OBVIOUSLY CIVIC USES, A TRUE GATHERING PLACE, A TRUE COMMUNITY CENTER AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ULTIMATE VALUE AND THE MIX OF USES COULD BE ON THAT SITE.
THIS SITE, WHAT WE CALL AGAIN, THE EXISTING CITY HALL, WE THINK HAS REALLY GOT THE ABILITY TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE TAMARAC VILLAGE AND CREATING MORE DOWNTOWN AMENITIES, SHOPPING, DINING, EATING, ETC, AND REALLY EXTENDING THE MIX OF THE DOWNTOWN THAT IS GOING TO BE STARTED AT TAMARAC VILLAGE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE POTENTIALLY VERY TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECTS FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS COMMISSION TO BE LOOKING AT.
I THINK THEY COULD REALLY TRANSFORM THE VISION AND THE LOOK OF THE CITY FOR YEARS, MAYBE DECADES TO COME.
IT'S AN EXCITING STUDY, I WILL RE-EMPHASIZE THAT WORD, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS AFTER WE GO THROUGH THIS STUDY AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH DATA AND WITH INFORMATION, AND THEN YOU'LL OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS AT THAT POINT.
I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH OUR PROPOSAL HERE FAIRLY QUICKLY, I THINK.
AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, THE EXISTING CITY HALL SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE STATION, SO WE'RE PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT THE CITY HALL SITE AND THE CURRENT POLICE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE ALSO A POTENTIAL ACTIVATED WATERFRONT, I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T MAKE USE OF THE SPACE THAT FRONTS THE WATER THERE.
THEN THE CIVIC CENTER OR WHAT WE CALL THE NOB HILL COMMERCE PARK CIVIC CENTER SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 27 ACRES, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THERE WITH A MIX OF SOME BUILDINGS AND SOME LAND.
AGAIN, REALLY THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSFORM THIS AREA INTO WHAT WE CALL A TRUE CITY CENTER.
TO GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY AND THE DISTRICTS, I WANTED TO GIVE THAT MAP JUST SO WE HAVE SOME PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING DISTRICTS.
TO UNDERTAKE THIS STUDY, A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING RETHINKING THE WORKPLACE.
A LOT OF CITIES, A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS IN THIS POST-COVID ENVIRONMENT ARE RE-IMAGINING AND RETHINKING ABOUT HOW THE WORKPLACE IS BEING TRANSFORMED, REMOTE WORK, HYBRID WORK, JUST THE ABILITY FOR WORK TO BE DONE IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
THIS STUDY, WITH YOUR STAFF'S PARTICIPATION, WILL REALLY GIVE YOU A SENSE TO STRATEGICALLY RETHINK THE WAY CITY OPERATIONS ARE CONDUCTED INTO THE FUTURE.
BEFORE I GET TOO FAR INTO THE STUDY, I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN CONTEXT,
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A LOT OF CITIES ARE GOING THROUGH A VERY SIMILAR EXERCISE.NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF THEIR CIVIC FACILITIES LIKE MIRAMAR OR CORAL SPRINGS, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW TO ENGAGE THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEIR CITIZENRY IN A PLACE THAT IN THEIR HOMETOWN THAT THEY CAN CALL THEIR OWN.
YOU'RE SEEING IT IN PARKLAND, YOU'RE SEEING IT IN [INAUDIBLE], YOU'RE SEEING IT IN ALL OF THE CITIES WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE CLAMORING FOR PLACES FOR THINGS TO DO WITHIN THEIR CITY, WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAVEL WIDE DISTANCES.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WITH TAMARAC VILLAGE, WE THINK THIS IS A NATURAL EXTENSION OF THAT PROCESS.
BUT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT A NEW CITY HALL IN A NEW WORKPLACE COULD LOOK LIKE.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S A VERY DEEP DIVE, AND I SAY HERE, THERE'S NO ONE-SIZE SOLUTION, THERE'S NO MAGIC BRUSH THAT WE PAINT HERE.
WE REALLY DO A DEEP DIVE INTO LOOKING AT ALL OF YOUR ENVIRONMENTS.
WE LOOK AT YOUR PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, WE LOOK AT COLLABORATIVE SPACES, WE LOOK AT WELLNESS, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACT AND RETAIN EMPLOYEES, WE LOOK AT HOW TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING THE WORKPLACE AND HOW THAT'S INTEGRATED INTO YOUR WORKPLACE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, HOW DOES THAT BRAND, HOW DOES THAT NEW VISION REFLECT ON THE TAMARAC OF THE FUTURE? THE STUDY THAT WE'RE GOING TO UNDERTAKE IS ULTIMATELY ABOUT CHANGE MANAGEMENT, AND LOOKING AT WHAT TAMARAC AND WHAT IT MEANS TO LIVE AND WORK IN TAMARAC OVER THE NEXT FEW DECADES IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
IT'S A VERY METHODICAL APPROACH.
AS I SAID, WE'RE DOING THIS FOR MULTIPLE MUNICIPAL AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
FIRST PHASE IS WHERE WE REALLY AGAIN, DO THAT DEEP DIVE WHERE WE UNDERSTAND HOW WORK IS DONE TODAY.
WE COLLECT A LOT OF DATA AND THEN WE MOVE INTO A NUMBER OF WORKPLACE SCENARIOS.
AGAIN, THAT WILL ULTIMATELY COME BACK TO YOU FOR CERTAIN DECISION POINTS.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, AS WE GET INTO THE DISCOVERY PHASE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S AGAIN A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CALL INSPIRATION TOURS THAT WILL TAKE STAFF AS WELL AS COMMISSION AND TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN TERMS OF SEEING IN PRACTICE, HOW THEY'RE PUTTING SOME OF THESE NEW WORKPLACE STRATEGIES TO USE.
AGAIN, WE'LL DO A DEEP DIVE WITH THE EMPLOYEES.
WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO WORK IN CITY HALL? HOW COULD THEIR WORK ENVIRONMENT BE IMPROVED AND THEIR PRODUCTIVITY BE ENHANCED? AGAIN, A LOT OF INFORMATION AND DATA WILL BE COLLECTED, ANALYZED, AND THEN PROVIDED BACK TO YOU.
THE NEXT PHASE IS THEN ONCE WE HAVE ALL OF THIS, WHAT WE CALL THE DEVELOPING PHASE, IS WHERE WE'LL START TO DO ALL OF SCENARIO PLANNING.
THIS BUILDING, AGAIN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR EXPERIENCE IS MOST ORGANIZATIONS ARE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE BETWEEN A 25 AND 35% REDUCTION IN SPACE AND YET PROVIDING BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENT PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO DO THEIR WORK.
BUT WE'LL TAKE ALL OF THAT DATA AND WE WILL AGAIN DO A LOT OF SCENARIO MODELING AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL THEN BE ABLE TO USE.
THIS GIVES YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW.
FIRST PHASE, AS I TALKED ABOUT, DUE DILIGENCE, STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE PORTFOLIO, ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE CIVIC CENTER SITE, AS WELL AS THE DEEP DIVE HERE.
WE'LL GO THROUGH AGAIN A STRATEGIC ANALYSIS OF THE WORKPLACE, HOW WORK IS BEING DONE TODAY, WHAT WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE, AND HOW THAT REFLECTS INTO YOUR SPACE NEEDS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY BRING ALL OF THAT BACK TO BOTH YOU INTERNALLY AND THEN TO THE EXTERNAL, THE CITIZENS AND THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE BUILT IN A VERY ROBUST PUBLIC OUTREACH TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT ALL OF THIS DATA MEANS AND WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD LOOK LIKE.
THEN ULTIMATELY WE WOULD GO OUT AND ENGAGE IN THE MARKET.
THIS GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE STUDY THAT WE WOULD UNDERTAKE.
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THE BULK OF THE WORK WOULD BE DONE OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.AGAIN, THOSE ARE PHASES I-III, SO THAT'S THE DUE DILIGENCE, THE ANALYSIS OF ALL YOUR EXISTING PORTFOLIO.
GO THROUGH THE WORKPLACE ADVISORY, AGAIN UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR SPACE NEEDS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE, AND THEN THE SCENARIO PLANNING AND THE VISIONING AND THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND SIX COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WOULD BE TAKING PLACE.
THOSE THREE PHASES WOULD BE COMPLETED AGAIN DURING THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, AT A RATE THERE YOU SEE IT, $8,250 A MONTH, THEN WE WOULD THEN TAKE YOUR INPUT AND YOUR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION.
PHASE IV WOULD BE TO ENGAGE THE MARKET TO TEST OUR ANALYSIS AND OUR PHASES, POTENTIALLY IDENTIFY PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERS THAT COULD HELP YOU ALONG THIS ROAD.
WHAT WE'D CALL THE MARKET ENGAGEMENT PHASE IS A SLIGHTLY REDUCED FEE.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS IS GENERALLY ABOUT A 12-MONTH STUDY.
AGAIN, NO DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE BUT YOU WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE DATA AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, OVER THE 12 MONTHS, ADVISORY FEES PAID WOULD NOT EXCEED $79,500.
THAT'S THE TOTAL FOR ALL OF THE DATA ANALYSIS AND THE STUDIES AND THE MARKET ENGAGEMENT THAT WE WOULD UNDERTAKE ON YOUR BEHALF.
IT IS A VERY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK AT THE END OF IT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ARMED WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DATA ABOUT THE FUTURE OF WORK, THE FUTURE OF WHAT YOUR FACILITIES SHOULD BE.
BUT ULTIMATELY THEN YOU WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT DATA FROM WHICH TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND ANY TIME TALKING TO YOU ABOUT COLLIER'S.
BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS A STUDY THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING FOR A NUMBER OF BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS.
I THINK WE'RE ALL REALIZING THAT COVID HAS FOREVER CHANGED THE WAY WE SHOP, THE WAY WE POTENTIALLY LIVE, AND CERTAINLY, THE WAY WE WORK.
WITH THE ABILITY FOR TAMARAC TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE POSITION THAT YOU'RE IN, CONTROLLING SOME MAJOR LAND IN THE CENTER OF YOUR CITY GIVES YOU AN ABILITY TO TAKE A STEP BACK, LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, AND THEN MAKE SOME DECISIONS.
WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE AND OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I'LL GO FIRST, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING TURNED OVER YET.
DEALING WITH THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF A STUDY.
I HAVE SUPPORTED A STUDY AND I, WITH THE COMMISSION PRIOR TO THIS, SUPPORTED A STUDY PRIOR TO COVID TO SEE WHAT TO DO BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH BEING ABLE TO HOUSE EVERYBODY PROPERLY, EFFECTIVE USE OF OUR PERSONNEL AND SOME OF THE BUILDING CONDITIONS AT THIS BUILDING CURRENTLY IS GOING THROUGH AND SOME OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON HAVING TO REPAIR AND THE VALUE OF MONEY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS.
THE ONE PART OF THE STUDY THAT I WILL LISTEN TO BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IS DEALING WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND MAKING A COMMUNITY CENTER ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AS ON THE COMPOUND.
I'LL CALL IT THE COMPOUND FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER SHOULD MOVE HERE.
I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY LOCATED IS A GREAT LOCATION, IT GETS A LOT OF USE.
WHEN IT WAS BUILT AND CREATED AND MAYBE PEOPLE AT THE TIME, IT WAS HINDSIGHT AND WONDERFUL, YOU SEE EVERYTHING NICE AND CLEAR.
WE, IN MY OPINION, WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL IF WE PUT A SECOND STORY ON IT IF WE MADE THE FOUNDATION STRONG ENOUGH TO DO THAT, BUT I GUESS WE DIDN'T FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD.
THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD RETHINK THAT SITE TO MAYBE PUTTING A FOUR-STORY FOUNDATION WITH A THREE-STORY BUILDING STRUCTURE AND ADDING SOME RETAIL BASIS THAT FITS WITHIN A COMMUNITY CENTER.
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MAYBE A SMOOTHIE PLACE OR SOMETHING THAT ONE OF THOSE MATHEMATICS-TYPE PLACES FOR PEOPLE, FOR KIDS, FOR STUDYING PURPOSES.SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE THAT AREA MORE CONDUCIVE TO COMMUNITY CENTER.
THE REALITY IS ACROSS THE STREET, WHETHER PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH IT OR NOT, BELONGS TO ANOTHER CITY, THEY'RE BUILDING THERE.
THEIR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WIND UP COMING TO THE EASIEST PLACE THAT'S THERE, THAT'S OUR COMMUNITY CENTER.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE GOING TO PAY EXTRA FEES IN ORDER TO USE IT AND THEN WIND UP BLOCKING OUT THE ABILITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO USE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOPEFULLY THE STUDY WOULD ENTAIL WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT COMPOUND AS WELL, MAKING IT CONDUCIVE TO A COMMUNITY CENTER WITH SOME ADDITIONAL MODERNIZATION TO IT AND ALLOW FOR US TO NOT HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER ON OUR BELT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S PRACTICAL.
IF WE NEED MEETING ROOMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE STUDY FOR WHAT WE CAN HAVE THERE AS ADDITIONAL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I WANT TO SEE IT ALL. I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE WHAT WE HEAR FROM COMMUNITY PLANNING, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE STUDY DONE THAT GIVES US EDUCATED ABILITY, SOMETHING THAT EDUCATES US IN OUR ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS.
FOR ME, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF WE NEED A PALACE-TYPE PLACE OR A AMPHITHEATER-TYPE PLACE THERE, WE'VE GOT THAT GOING IN TAMARAC VILLAGE AND OUR COMMUNITY CENTER, HOPEFULLY, COULD BE MODELED FOR SOME OF THAT.
WE'VE GOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH KINGS POINT IF WE HAD THAT KIND OF SHOW DESIGN, LIKE IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PUT SHOWS ON, WE CAN WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY THERE AND VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
QUICK QUESTION, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE PROPERTIES ON STEEP ROOF SEVEN THAT WE TOOK OVER?
>> YOU MEAN THE ONES WE JUST RECENTLY ACQUIRED?
>> ONE OF THEM HAS TENANTS, SO IT'S STILL BEING LEASED TO THOSE TENANTS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY INSURANCE PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT PROPERTY.
>> THE INTENT IS TO CONTROL THE PROPERTIES SO WE CAN PROPERLY PARTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR 41.
>> WOULD THAT BE A CITY USE OR RESELLING IT TO A DEVELOPER?
>> IT WOULD BE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
>> QUICK QUESTION. LET'S SAY, WE SAY YES, IT TAKES 12 MONTHS TO DO A STUDY. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE? WHAT'S THE NEXT PROCESS AND TIME FRAME WHEN IT COMES TO TIME FRAME, TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL?
>> WELL, [NOISE] JUST BY CLARIFICATION, THE STUDY IN ITS CORE IS REALLY MORE IN SIX MONTHS.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IN SIX MONTHS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REAL DATA POINTS IN TERMS OF SCENARIO ANALYSIS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH FROM WHICH WE WOULD THEN ENGAGE THE MARKET TO TEST SOME OTHER [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M GOING TO PAUSE YOU THERE BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT SOMETHING UP AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE.
SO IN SIX MONTHS, WE CAN DETERMINE IF WE WANT TO PURSUE IT OR NOT?
>> OR WE CAN TERMINATE YOUR CONTRACT AT THAT TIME?
>> OKAY. LET'S SAY WE GO TO PHASE 2 OF THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, HOW LONG IS THAT PROJECT OR WOULD THAT PROJECT TAKE TO DEVELOP IT? THAT COMPOUND.
>> GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A TWO YEAR.
>> SO IT WOULD BE IN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS OR THREE YEARS POSSIBLY BUILDING, MOVED IN?
>> IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL ON THAT GOVERNMENT CENTER, YOU CALL THE COMPOUND SITE, REALISTICALLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2027.
>> YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING MAYOR.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND. WELL, THERE HAS TO BE SOME BUDGETING AND WHILE IT SOUNDS VERY GOOD [OVERLAPPING] FORGIVE ME, IT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN UNTIL WE KNOW SUCH TIME AS HOW MUCH MONEY IT'S GOING TO COST AND WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WILL HAVE IN THE BUILDING SITUATION OF IT.
>> THAT'S PART OF THE STUDY, WE'LL GIVE YOU THOSE COSTS.
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>> YES. LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD, THIS COULD BE BY 2027, [OVERLAPPING] IT COULD BE 2030.
>> I UNDERSTAND. OF COURSE, WE WILL BE SETTING THIS PROPERTY WHICH IS WORTH WHEREVER X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS ON THAT.
>> COULD I JUST JUMP IN AND CLARIFY? THE FIRST PART IS SIX MONTHS, YES.
COLLIERS IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT, THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF FINANCING MECHANISM THAT CAN SUPPORT THIS CONSTRUCTION AND THEN ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER.
THEN ONCE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THEN THERE'S AN RFQ PROCESS THAT THEY WILL HELP US TO PUT TOGETHER WHICH HE'S ALREADY SPOKEN, HE HAS DONE FOR MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHICH WILL BE THE MARKETING COMPONENT AND PUTTING IT OUT THERE AND TRYING TO FIND A PARTNERSHIP TO HELP US THEN TO CONSTRUCT THAT NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER.
ALL THE WHILE, ONCE WE GET TO PHASE 2, WE ARE INTERNALLY ALSO BUDGETING, MAKING SURE IT APPEARS IN OUR CIP ALL THE INTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO SUPPORT A PROJECT.
>> CORRECT. WILL THERE BE ANY APARTMENTS IN THIS COMPLEX?
>> I THINK WHEN WE STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THIS SITE, I THINK WE LOOK AT IT AS A TRUE MIXED USE OF POTENTIAL RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK OUR STUDY WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT THAT APPROPRIATE MIX OF USES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE COULD BE DIRECTED LIKE THE COMMUNITY CENTER, IF WE'RE DIRECTED FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, NO RESIDENTIAL OR NO THIS OR NO THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE STUDY.
BUT RIGHT NOW OUR STUDY IS LOOK AT THIS SITE AS A HOLE IN A BLANK CANVAS AND GIVE YOU THE BEST MIX OF USES THAT WE THINK WOULD BE MOST BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY.
>> OKAY, BECAUSE IN MY POINT OF VIEW, ANY NEW COMPLEX FOR ME IS X OUT OF THE PICTURES FOR UNTIL WE FINISH EVERY PROJECT IN THE CITY AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER SHOULD BE UNTOUCHED.
>> I WOULD ALSO JUST REITERATE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IN OUR STUDY, WE'RE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE CITY HALL SITE, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE, THE OPERATIONS, AND WHAT IN THEORY THE NEW CITY HALL WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW THAT COULD FIT AND BE INCORPORATED ONTO THE COMPOUND.
>> YOU SEE, I'M NOT AGAINST THAT BECAUSE I LOVE THE IDEA.
YOU SEE SUNRISE, I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS THERE, I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS IN CORAL SPRINGS AND WHEN YOU SEE THE BUILDINGS, WHEN YOU SEE EVERYTHING, HOW EFFICIENT THEY ARE AND HAVE BECOME, YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE WANT TO REPLICATE THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A HOUSE WITH DIFFERENT ROOMS AND EVERYONE'S TRYING TO DO THIS.
I BELIEVE IT WILL BE MORE EFFICIENT HAVING EVERYTHING UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.
WHAT I DON'T AGREE WITH OR WOULDN'T AGREE WITH IS THE FACT THAT THIS COMPLEX WILL HAVE.
BECAUSE YES, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE COMPOUND, BUT THIS COMPLEX ITSELF HAS A POTENTIAL OF POSSIBLY HAVING APARTMENTS.
I BELIEVE WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS ALREADY ENOUGH AND WE ALL AGREE THAT MORE APARTMENTS IT'S NOT THE WAY TO GO.
IT'S EITHER RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, OR COMMON, OR ANYTHING YOGA RELATED, THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE THE COMMUNITY COME OUT AND SPEND THE MONEY.
ESPECIALLY IN THIS ERA HERE, BECAUSE IF YOU DO THE DEMOGRAPHICS IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER AREA IN TAMARAC, BUT THIS RADIUS HERE HAS THE MOST DISPOSABLE INCOME.
WITH THAT, I KILL MY TIME FOR NOW.
>> THANK YOU. NICE SEEING YOU AGAIN, MR. KENNY.
[NOISE] QUESTION, ARE YOU ALSO GOING TO LOOK INTO POTENTIALLY REVAMPING THIS PARTICULAR CITY HALL? IS THAT ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT?
>> NO. WE ARE NOT GOING IN AND SAYING WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE THERE TO REPLACE THE ROOF FOR [INAUDIBLE].
WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT A NEW BUILDING COULD LOOK LIKE.
AGAIN, THIS BUILDING IS PICK A NUMBER, 100,000 FEET, COULD YOU OPERATE IN A 75,000 SQUARE FOOT MORE EFFICIENT BUILDING? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WORKPLACE, HOW WORK IS BEING DONE, HOW THAT WOULD FIT INTO EFFECTIVELY A NEW BUILDING,
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AND HOW THAT NEW BUILDING COULD BE PUT ON TO THAT OTHER SITE.>> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS BUILDING TO BE REVAMPED?
>> THERE IS, THAT'S JUST NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
YOU MENTIONED RETHINKING THE WAY PEOPLE WORK AND OPERATE.
NOW THAT WITH TECHNOLOGY AND WORK FROM HOME, SHOULDN'T THAT REQUIRE LESS SPACE? MORE AND MORE COMPANIES IN THE CORPORATE WORLD ARE GETTING RID OF THEIR OFFICE SPACES AND OUTSOURCING THE WAY PEOPLE WORK, SHOULDN'T THAT REQUIRE A LESS SPACE FOR THE WORKFORCE?
>> AS I SAID MOST OF THE STUDIES THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING NOW AGAIN, NOT WITH A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, BUT ON AN AVERAGE, WE'RE SEEING A 25-30% REDUCTION IN, YOU LOOK APPLES TO APPLES, OLD SPACE TO NEW SPACE.
THERE IS A REDUCTION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT COMPANIES REQUIRE.
>> YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT GETTING DATA.
WHAT TYPE OF DATA ARE YOU GOING TO GET, BECAUSE IT'S VERY GENERIC SAME DATA? ARE YOU GOING TO ENGAGE YOUR RESIDENTS? ARE YOU GOING TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL? WHAT THINGS ARE YOU GOING TO QUANTIFY?
>> MOST OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GATHERING IS INTERNALLY IN TERMS OF FOR INSTANCE, HOW DOES THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WORK? DO THEY NEED COLLABORATION SPACE? CAN PEOPLE WORK FROM HOME? CERTAIN CITY FUNCTIONS OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE HEREIN PHYSICAL AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S THE DATA THAT GOES INTO FIGURING OUT WHETHER YOU'RE BUILDING X SQUARE FEET, IT CAN BE Y SQUARE FEET, BUT WE WILL BRING AND PRESENT THAT DATA TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE NEW CITY HALL WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SERVICES, FUNCTIONS, MAKING IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR PEOPLE TO POTENTIALLY DO A ONE-STOP ONE-SHOP SOLUTIONS SO THAT THEY COULD JUST GO AND GET THERE, WHETHER IT'S THEIR PERMITS, WHETHER TAX BILLS OR WHATEVER ISSUES THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CITY, POTENTIALLY IN ONE PLACE.
SO ALL OF THAT DATA IN TERMS OF HOW THE OPERATION WAS WORKING WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK AND COMMUNICATED TO THE COMMUNITY.
>> OFFHAND, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, CAN YOU SEE HOW IT'LL COST JUST FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE?
>> I WOULDN'T WANT TO VENTURE, BUT AGAIN, AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS, TO BE FAIR, WE WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION ONCE WE UNDERSTAND HOW BIG THE BUILDING COULD BE, SHOULD BE, ETC, WE WILL ATTACH FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS TO WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD, AND WE IMAGINE THE COMPOUND, AND THEN WE WOULD PLAY SIMILAR VALUES ON POTENTIALLY WHAT THIS SITE WOULD BE WORTH AND WE WOULD BRING ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK BACK TO YOU.
>> ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO INCLUDE BUILDING UP PARKING LOT AND ALL THAT STUFF?
>> BECAUSE FOR MY RESEARCH I SAW IN CORAL SPRINGS THERE WAS COST OVERRUNS WITH THEIR PARKING LOT AND THE SAME ISSUE THAT THEY HAD IN SUNRISE.
>> YES [LAUGHTER] OFTEN THOSE PROJECTS, BUT AGAIN, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS REALLY TRYING TO GIVE YOU A VERY DETAILED, VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD A BUILDING PRESUMABLY WITH SOME STRUCTURED PARKING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I THINK OUR NUMBERS WOULD BE VERY TRUE TO FORM AND FAIRLY CONSERVED.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
>> YOU SAID YOU'VE EVEN INVOLVED STAFF.
ARE YOU GOING TO INVOLVE SECURITY LIKE EMT AND THE POLICE BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING]
>> ALL DEPARTMENTS WILL BE INTERVIEWED, SO AGAIN, HOW YOU'RE CHECKING IN VISITORS, SECURITY, YOUR IT, SO ALL OF THAT.
LITERALLY HOW THE CITY FUNCTIONS WILL BE ANALYZED AND BROUGHT BACK.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THE SPACE NEEDS WITH TECHNOLOGY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH HAVE RESULTED IN COMPANIES REQUIRING LESS SPACE.
TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE OPERATIONS. [INAUDIBLE]
>> AND HAVE COLLIERS HAVE DONE A PROJECT LIKE THIS BEFORE?
>> YOU'VE DONE MANY PRODUCTS LIKE THIS BEFORE?
>> FORT LAUDERDALE, DANIA BEACH WE WORKED ON THE JOINT, DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT THE BROWARD COUNTY AND THE CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE WERE GOING TO BUILD A NEW GOVERNMENT CAMPUS.
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YEAH, WE HAVE A VERY DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CALL WORKPLACE ADVISORY, A SEPARATE GROUP, THAT'S ALL THEY DO.THEY GO IN, THEY KNOW HOW TO WORK.
AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT JUST WORKING WITH PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, THEY'RE WORKING WITH BANK OF AMERICA [INAUDIBLE], COMPANIES LIKE THAT THEY WORK AS WELL.
>> BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I SAW YOU, YOU WERE HERE PRESENTING FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
I REMEMBER ASKING YOU WHY TAMARAC VILLAGE COULDN'T GET THE RETAIL SPACE AND YOU SAID THEY'RE NOT COMMERCIAL EXPERT.
IT SEEMS LIKE COLLIERS, YOU GUYS ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY COMMERCIAL.
YOU'RE GOVERNMENT BUILDING YOU'RE COMMERCIAL, YOU DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
>> IT'S ALL WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL UMBRELLA, INDUSTRIAL, RETAIL, MULTI-FAMILY, ALL OF THE ASPECTS WITHIN A COMMERCIAL SPACE, SO A LARGE ORGANIZATION.
>> NO, I JUST SAID THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME YOU'RE IN FRONT OF ME, I THINK ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ASKED IF YOU DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SAW THAT YOU GUYS DO COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE ITSELF AS WELL.
>> ALL OF THAT IS UNDER THE COMMERCIAL REAL-ESTATE [INAUDIBLE]
>> ALL OF THIS ENCOMPASSES WHAT YOU DO, SO YOU'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY A SPECIALIST IN A PARTICULAR THING?
>> MY GROUP PERSONALLY REPRESENTS A COUPLE OF INSTITUTIONS LIKE CITIES, LIKE YOURSELVES HERE, THEN WE BRING IN THE [INAUDIBLE] ON THIS CHART AND OUR EXPERTS ON THOSE AREAS.
>> BECAUSE FROM WHAT I GET LAST TIME, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE EXPERT IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.
YOU WERE TELLING ME THAT, HEY, I CAN FIND YOU THE SPACE, NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU'RE A PUBLIC INSTITUTION EXPERT.
>> WHEN I SAY I, I MEAN I AS A COLLECTIVE OF COLLIERS, WE'RE A BORN TEAM.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE BEHIND ME, WELL NOT ACTUALLY TODAY, BUT WE HAVE PRETTY DEEP TEAM THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKING ON YOUR BEHALF.
THERE'S A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ONLY REPRESENTS RETAIL, AND RESTAURANTS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THEY ARE VERY FOCUSED ON TAMARAC VILLAGE.
THEN I SAID THERE'S A WORKPLACE GROUP, ALL THEY DO IS WORK WITH COMPANIES AND UNDERSTAND YOUR IT AND YOUR SECURITY AND DATA AND WHATEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE WHOLE PROJECT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPECIAL TEAMS WORKING WITHIN THE CITY ON THIS VARIOUS PROJECTS.
>> THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD, KEN, PLEASE BRING YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
>> THANKS [NOISE] THANK YOU, MAYOR.
KEN, YOU ARE A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL, IT SEEMS, YOU ARE AN EXPERT, YES?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE SO.
>> YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE WORKED FORT LAUDERDALE, DANIA BEACH AND YOU'VE SEEN THROUGH BUILDING THEIR CITY HALL, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
>> WE DID THE STUDIES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEW CITY HALL COULD BE.
>> WHEN YOU DID THAT STUDY, YOU CAME UP WITH COST AND ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING FOR TAMARAC?
>> WHAT WAS THE COST OF BUILDING A DANIA BEACH CITY HALL?
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT WAS PART OF A BIGGER COMPLEX.
THEY ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT TO DO IT, BUT IT WAS PART OF A BROADER COMPLEX.
THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILDING THIS [NOISE] MASSIVE COMPLEX AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM, BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL AS PART OF THAT.
THEY ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SO YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER?
>> WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBER FOR FORT LAUDERDALE?
>> AGAIN, FORT LAUDERDALE WAS PART OF THE JOINT.
>> THERE WASN'T A SPECIFIC NUMBER FOR A NEW CITY HALL FOR FORT LAUDERDALE.
WE INCORPORATED THEIR SPACE NEEDS INTO THE NEW JOINT GOVERNMENT CENTER.
>> WE ARE CLOSE TO CORAL SPRINGS AND SUNRISE, LET'S TALK ABOUT BENCH-MARKING.
WHAT WAS THE NUMBER TO BUILD SUNRISE OR CORAL SPRINGS?
>> LIKE I SAID, WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THOSE PROJECTS, SO I DON'T HAVE THEM,
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BUT I CAN I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.>> I BELIEVE THE CORAL SPRINGS CITY HALL WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND $40 MILLION BACK WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
>> AT LEAST SOMEBODY IS FORTHCOMING WITH A NUMBER.
[NOISE] MANAGER LEVENT SUCUOGLU FOR THE RECORD, THAT CORAL SPRINGS SITE WAS BUILT WHEN? WHEN DO YOU REMEMBER? WHEN DO YOU THINK?
>> I BELIEVE IT WAS AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
>> DRASTICALLY. $40 MILLION FIVE YEARS AGO COULD PROBABLY BE $60 MILLION TODAY, EASILY?
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST MAYBE $60 MILLION TO BUILD THIS NEW COMPOUND.
WOULD YOU AGREE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL EXPERT?
>> [LAUGHTER] IT DEPENDS ON HOW BIG THE BUILDING IS.
>> MANAGER, DO WE HAVE THIS MONEY IN OUR BUDGET TO BUILD THIS COMPOUND?
>> IN TERMS OF FINANCING FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO STUDY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> JUST GIVE ME A SECOND. DO WE HAVE THE MONEY $60 MILLION RIGHT NOW IN OUR BUDGET TO BUILD THIS COMPOUND, AT LEAST $60 MILLION?
>> WE DO NOT. WHERE DO YOU SUPPOSE YOU'D GET THE MONEY?
>> IF WE FOLLOW THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS FIRST, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THE NEEDS AND IDENTIFY THE PROJECT AND DETERMINE THE TYPE OF PARTNERSHIPS WE MAY POSSIBLY ENTERTAIN AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AT THAT TIME, WE MAY COME BACK WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MECHANISMS TO FINANCE OR FUND THIS PROJECT.
>> ONE OF THOSE MECHANISMS, MANAGER, IS TAKING THIS PROPERTY, KNOCKING DOWN THIS BUILDING, ASSEMBLING PROPERTY, SELLING IT OFF TO SOME DEVELOPER WHO WOULD BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY, YOU TAKE THAT MONEY AND YOU'D BUILD A NEW CITY HALL SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IS THAT ONE OF THE MECHANISMS THAT YOU'RE EXPLORING?
>> YOU WOULD TAKE THE MONEY FROM THIS PROPERTY, BUILD ANOTHER PROPERTY AND THEN CITY HALL, AND ALL THE PROPERTIES ALONG PINE ISLAND ROAD WOULD THEN BECOME, IN THE WORDS OF MS. CALLOWAY, MORE HOUSING WITH SPARSE COMMERCIAL.
WITH A LITTLE COMMERCIAL, I GIVE YOU SPARSE, BUT YOU SAID LITTLE.
WITH A LITTLE COMMERCIAL ALONG PINE ISLAND, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID, MS. CALLOWAY?
>> VICE MAYOR, I AM NOT SURE WHEN I MIGHT HAVE SAID THAT.
>> THE LAST WORKSHOP, YOU SAID THE PLAN WOULD BE TO BUILD MORE HOUSING AND THE LITTLE COMMERCIAL ALONG PINE ISLAND ROAD.
THAT IS WHEN ANOTHER OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID, AND PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE MORE NIGHTLIFE.
TAMARAC IS BECOMING YOUNGER MAYBE PUT GOLF.
>> I THINK VICE MAYOR, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GLADES AT THE TIME, WHICH IS ALSO ALONG THE PINE ISLAND.
>> WHICH IS ALSO ALONG THE PINE ISLAND.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY.
>> BUT WHAT WOULD YOU PUT ON THIS PROPERTY? COMMERCIAL OR MORE RESIDENTIAL?
>> THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY IS GOING TO HELP US TO DETERMINE.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO LOOK AT OUR ASSETS AND AS KEN MADE IT CLEAR IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, HE SAID THAT TAMARAC IS UNIQUE WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER PLACES WHERE WE HAVE THESE ASSETS.
BUT THESE SIGNIFICANT INEFFICIENCIES WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE GO INTO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, OFTENTIMES THEY ARE LOST.
THEY START HERE, WE HAVE TO SEND THEM TO NOB HILL BECAUSE WE'RE SPREAD OUT OVER TWO LOCATIONS.
SO IS TO ADDRESS THAT INEFFICIENCY TO TRY TO LEVERAGE WHAT WE HAVE AS ASSETS, WHICH IS THIS LOCATION, AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD LOCATION.
THEN LOOK AT BEST WAYS TO FINANCE THE NEW GOVERNMENT COMPLEX.
SO AS PART OF THAT STUDY [OVERLAPPING].
>> VICE MAYOR, PLEASE LET HER FINISH.
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>> BECAUSE I HAVE THE FLOOR AND I'M ASKING YOU QUESTIONS AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE GOTTEN THE ANSWER THAT I NEED WITHOUT DELIVERING THE COMMENTARY, SAVING PEOPLE'S TIME.
I THINK THAT I COULD ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
>> VICE MAYOR, I'M TRYING TO FINISH.
>> THE CRUX OF THE MATTER IS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOCK DOWN THE CENTER, BUILD COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL HERE, AND THEN TAKE THAT MONEY AND BUILD A NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER SOMEWHERE ELSE. FORTUNATELY, MATTER.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO LEVERAGE WHAT WE HAVE AND LOOKING AT THE USES, AS WELL AS ALWAYS LOOKING AT WHAT'S MOST COMPATIBLE GIVEN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
THAT'S WHAT KEN IS GOING TO HELP US TO DETERMINE, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL DECIDE ULTIMATELY, HOW YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED.
>> DO WE HAVE ANOTHER STUDY GOING ON RIGHT NOW TO SEE WHAT WOULD GO TO THE TAMARAC VILLAGE SITE IF WE CAN USE THAT FOR COMMERCIAL OR NOT? THIS IS A SIDE QUESTION. WHAT ARE WE DOING? DO YOU HAVE THAT PROJECT AT TAMARAC VILLAGE?
>> YES, TAMARAC VILLAGE, WE ARE GOING TO ENGAGE THE MARKET AS I MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING, TO FIND YOU A RETAIL DEVELOPER WHO WILL BUILD THAT PROJECT AND BRING IN THE RESTAURANTS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT.
>> IN THEORY, WE COULD EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THAT CONTRACT AND SEE IF A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD HERE AT THE CITY OUTSIDE AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST.
>> WE WOULD ULTIMATELY GET TO THAT POINT.
BUT I THINK THE FIRST PART OF THIS STUDY IS REALLY TO FIGURE OUT AGAIN WHAT THIS BUILDING COULD BE IN TERMS OF A NEW WORKPLACE.
IS IT GOING TO BE 25% LESS SPACE? IS IT GOING TO BE 50% LESS SPACE? WHAT IS THE NEW CITY HALL LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE CAN GET TO ENGAGING THE MARKET IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COMMERCIAL VIABILITY IS FOR THE SITE, WHICH WE THINK IS TREMENDOUS RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON THIS SITE? BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FIRST PART OF IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST PART OF THE STUDY IS REALLY MEANT TO DO.
>> THIS ITEM IS NOT ABOUT THE GLADES GOLF COURSE.
THIS ITEM 1A IS STRICTLY ABOUT THE CITY HALL PROPERTY AND MOVING IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION.
>> NOT NECESSARILY MOVING IT, BUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT WOULD BE IF ONCE WE FIGURE OUT HOW BIG IT IS, WHAT IT COULD BE IF YOU WERE TO MOVE IT AND WHAT THE COST WOULD BE INVOLVED.
>> COULD WE BECAUSE THIS CITY WANT TO ADDRESS COMMERCIAL INSTEAD OF RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD OUR RESIDENTS MANY TIMES.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO OUR RESIDENTS, I DON T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THESE MEETINGS TO HEAR THEIR OPINIONS.
THEN WHY DO WE HEAR THEIR OPINIONS AND THEN DO SOMETHING ELSE? LET'S SAY I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO DOING THIS STUDY, COULD YOU RESTRICT IT TO ONLY A COMMERCIAL STUDY? DO NOT EXPLORE ANY RESIDENTIAL, ONLY SOLELY COMMERCIAL [FOREIGN].
>> IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSIONER DIRECTS, YEAH, WE COULDN'T SAY THAT THIS SPACE COULD BE A PARK AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD HAVE ONE VALUE.
IF YOU SAY IT WOULD HAVE LIMITED USES, DID RESTRICTIONS, ETC.
IT OBVIOUSLY WOULD ULTIMATELY AFFECT THE VALUE, BUT WE COULD DO ANYTHING THAT THE COMMISSION DIRECTS US TO DO.
>> THIS PARTICULAR SITE ONLY COMMERCIAL, NO RESIDENTIAL.
COULD WE THEORETICALLY ONLY STUDY THIS SITE FOR COMMERCIAL OR RECREATION SPACES? NO HOUSING.
>> AGAIN, AS THE GENTLEMAN EXPLAINED, THE COMMISSION IS DISCUSSED IN THIS MORNING THE NATURE OF THE STUDY.
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IF THE INTENTION OF THE COMMISSION CONSENTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY ONLY FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD PURSUE THAT.BUT OUR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION IS TO LEAVE THE STUDY OPEN SO THAT YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO SEE THE POTENTIAL AT THE TIME THAT THE STUDY COMES BACK TO YOU.
THEN MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT, WHICH PART OF THAT WE WISH TO PURSUE.
>> WHAT ABOUT YOU MS. GALLOWAY?
>> I LIVE IN THE TOWN OF DAVIE, VICE MAYOR.
>> TOWN OF DAVIE, TWO VERY ELITE CITIES.
I WANT TO PUT A WALMART AT THE PLACE WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS.
>> YOU WOULDN'T WANT A WALMART?
>> BUT WOULD YOU WANT A WALMART? WOULD YOUR NEIGHBORS WANT A WALMART NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE?
>> RIGHT IN YOUR COMMUNITY, DIRECTLY WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS.
DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS WOULD WANT A WALMART?
>> THIS IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC.
>> HOW DO I KNOW THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE AN EVENT WHERE CITY MANAGER AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER LIVE, IS IRRELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH OUR OWN CITY.
THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE BACK HERE ON OUR CITY.
ALSO, OUR STAFF DOES NOT NEED TO BE GRILLED.
PLEASE CONTINUE WITH YOUR NEUTRAL LINE OF QUESTIONING AND ASK QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE.
>> HERE'S HOW THIS IS RELEVANT.
WHEN SOMETHING IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH COMMUNITIES, YOU DON'T STUDY IT.
WHEN RESIDENTS ASK YOU NOT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU LISTEN TO THEM.
YOU DON'T OPEN THE DOOR FOR WHAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THEM.
A WALMART IN YOUR COMMUNITY WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS WOULD BE AND COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE.
YOU DON'T DO A STUDY TO FIND OUT WHETHER A WALMART COULD GO TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
YOU DON'T OPEN THE DOOR TO THAT.
THE DOOR THAT I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN FOR THIS PROPERTY IS A COMMERCIAL STUDY ONLY OR RECREATION.
NOT RESIDENTIAL, NOT MORE HOUSES, NOT MORE APARTMENTS, BECAUSE IF YOU PUT A SKYSCRAPER HERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE GRIDLOCK, TRAFFIC ON PINE ISLAND, ON MCNAB.
COMMERCIAL WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO STOP.
THE IDEA OF COMMERCIAL IS THAT PEOPLE GO USE THE FACILITY TWO HOURS, THEY GET BACK ON THE STREET.
THAT'S WHAT COMMERCIAL DOES, CONSUMMATE EXPERT.
THEY GO INTO A PLAZA, TWO HOURS, YOU GET THE CARS OFF THE STREET.
GO, USE A PROPERTY, THEN YOU COME BACK.
I'M FOR STUDYING CITY HALL SO THEY ALL PROPERTY NOT ITEM 1B.
A STUDY ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL OR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
>> THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR OPINION.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I PROPOSE A MORATORIUM ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TWO MONTHS AGO.
THERE WAS CRICKETS. YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE ROOM'S SILENCE TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN I PROPOSED THAT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE BEING GRILLED AS TO WHERE WALMART SHOULD BE, AND I BELIEVE A WALMART IS APPROPRIATED TO INDUSTRIAL OR WHEREVER PLAZAS GO, NOT INSIDE COMMUNITIES.
>> COMMERCIAL, THAT'S THE RESPONSE I BELIEVE CITY MANAGER AND POSSIBLY MAXINE WAS TRYING TO SAY.
THEY LIVE INSIDE A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEREFORE, WALMART WOULD NEVER GO IN THERE.
WHEN IT COMES TO COST AND I UNDERSTAND THE BEST USE.
DO YOU BELIEVE CONSIDERING THAT WE OWN THE LAND ON NOB HILL AND WE ALREADY OWN BUILDING, WILL THOSE BUILDINGS COME DOWN OR WILL BE CONSUMED AND BUILDS AROUND IT, ABOVE IT? ANYBODY?
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>> AS KEN MENTIONED THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A BLANK CANVASS.
SO WE START WITH NOTHING AND THEN CONSIDER ALL THE POSSIBILITIES.
>> BUT CONSIDERING THAT WE ALREADY OWN THIS LAND AND EVERYTHING IN IT.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A NET WHEN AFTER ALL THE COSTS IS EXPENDED? DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, HOW WE WANT TO SEE, IF WE WANT TO HAVE 25 FLOORS, DO WE WANT TO HAVE TEN FLOORS, ALL THAT.
LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE PUT ALL THE BUILDINGS TOGETHER, HYPOTHETICALLY JUST IMAGINE THAT.
DO YOU BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE A NET AT THE END OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ANOTHER BOND WOULD HAVE TO BE ISSUED IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT LOAN?
>> IT'S A LITTLE EARLY TO SAY THAT, AGAIN, I THINK TO VICE MAYOR'S POINT, WHEN WE DO THIS STUDY, WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE AGAIN HOW BIG THE CITY HALL IS, HOW THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON NOB HILL COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE NEW CITY HALL.
AS MS. CALLOWAY SAID, YOU HAVE A ONE-STOP SHOP, SO ON AND SO FORTH. I DON'T KNOW.
AGAIN, THAT BUILDING, WHATEVER THAT SIZE OF THAT BUILDING IS, WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE EXISTING NOB HILL'S SITE.
I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THERE WILL BE EXTRA DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THAT SITE, EVEN AFTER A GARAGE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, COULD BE BUILT SO THERE'S A VALUE THERE, POTENTIALLY.
THEN THERE'S A VALUE HERE WHEN YOU POTENTIALLY [OVERLAPPING] SELL THIS SITE.
>> THE VALUES THOUGH, WILL DEPEND ON WHETHER IT'S DEED RESTRICTED.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS A PASSIVE PARK, IT'S WORTH X.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT 50 STORY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT, THAT VALUE WILL BE Y.
THE STUDY COULD GIVE YOU THOSE RANGE OF VALUES, SO THAT YOU WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.
NET SPEND, MAKE MONEY, ET CETERA.
>> GOT IT. THEN THE LAST COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE, I BELIEVE WHAT COMMISSIONER WRIGHT WAS TRYING TO SAY WITH YOU'RE NOT A DEVELOPER FOR COMMERCIAL, THOSE JKM THAT IT'S NOT A DEVELOPER FOR COMMERCIAL.
THEY ONLY DO RESIDENTIAL AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PULLED AWAY FROM THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TAKING OVER THAT PROPERTY WHICH YOU'RE THEN YOU'RE LOOKING INTO TO MAKE THE STUDY TO SEE WHICH RESTAURANTS, ET CETERA, WOULD BE BUILT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO FIND YOU A PARTNER TO REPLACE JKM WHO DOES RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL AND BUILDS THOSE.
THE MALLS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE PLAZAS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND YOU A BUILDER THAT DOES THOSE KIND OF PROJECTS.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT?
>> FOLLOWING UP ON VICE MAYOR BOLTON'S POINT IN TERMS OF COSTS, SO I DID MY PRELIMINARY RESEARCH.
SUNRISE SEPARATED THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX FROM THE CITY HALL.
THEY SPENT 33 MILLION BUILDING THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX, THEY ALSO SPENT 71 MILLION BUILDING THE CITY HALL, SO IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, THAT'S ABOUT 104, IF MY MATH IS CORRECT.
WE'RE GOING TO ALSO INCLUDE A COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE WE'RE THINKING WE CAN INCLUDE A COMMUNITY CENTER.
IF IT'S A ONE-STOP SHOP, IT CAN CAUSE DOUBLE OF THE 60 MILLION JUST BASED ON COMPARISON OF OUR SISTER CITIES.
FOR THE PARKING LOT, CORAL SPRINGS SPENT 12 MILLION JUST BUILDING THAT PARKING LOT.
JUST BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH DANIA AND FORT LAUDERDALE, I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS OFFHAND, BUT FOR ME THAT WAS A PRELIMINARY GOOGLE SEARCH, THAT WASN'T STUFF THAT WAS INSIDE INFORMATION THAT GO INTO A PRESENTATION.
IT CAN POSSIBLY COST US OVER 100 MILLION FOR THIS NEW ONE-STOP SHOP, GOVERNMENT CENTER.
>> ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU AT THE STUDY, YOU WILL HAVE REAL NUMBERS OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY COST YOU TO BUILD THIS BUILDING.
WHAT YOU COULD EXPECT TO GET FROM THE SALE OF, LET'S SAY THIS SITE OR SO ON AND SO FORTH, POTENTIALLY, WHAT YOU MIGHT GET WITH SOME REDEVELOPMENT OF THE NOB HILL CAMPUS.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME EXTRA SPACE THERE, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE CONSOLIDATED AND PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU FOR THEN TO DECIDE WHICH DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
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>> QUESTION, CITY MANAGER, JUST TO CLARIFY THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT.
WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE CITY HALL FIRST, THEN WE'RE GOING TO SELL THIS PROPERTY, SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY FIRST AND WE'RE GOING TO HOPE TO GET IT BACK IN RETURN.
>> THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS IS NOT SETTLED YET.
IT'S PART OF THE STUDY, THERE WILL BE A FLOW OF THE EVENTS, AND SEQUENCE OF CONSTRUCTION, SEQUENCE OF SELL OF THE PROPERTIES SO IT'S NOT SETTLED YET.
>> IF STAFF IS HERE AND WE CURRENTLY WORK ON THIS BUILDING, WE CAN'T SELL THIS FIRST, ELSE WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE STAFF SO THIS SELLS.
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WE REPRESENTED THE SARASOTA COUNTY AND THEY ARE BUILDING A NEW GOVERNMENT CAMPUS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE SOLD THEIR EXISTING BUILDING, WE LEASED IT BACK FOR A PERIOD OF FOUR YEARS WHILE THEY WERE STILL BUILDING THE NEW BUILDING.
THEY GOT THE MONEY, THEY STRUCTURED A MODEST LEASE TO COVER JUST THE EXPENSES FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS WHILE THE NEW BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT.
THEN ULTIMATELY THEY MOVED OUT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AND THEY DEVELOPED.
SO THERE ARE MECHANISMS WITH DEVELOPERS WHERE YOU CAN, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BUILD FIRST AND THEN HOPE THAT YOU GET X AS I JUST MENTIONED.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF MECHANISMS THAT WE WILL EXPLORE.
BUT WE HAVE TO START WITH THE BASICS OF HOW BIG IS THIS BUILDING? THE NEW CITY HALL, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? HOW DO WE WORK ON THE ESTIMATION OF THE COST AND THE TIME INVOLVED? THEN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU, THEN WE CAN SOLVE FOR HOW IT GETS DONE.
>> AND YOU DID THAT WHERE? IN SARASOTA?
>> HOW MUCH DID THEY SELL THE CITY HALL FOR?
>> TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
>> TWENTY FIVE MILLION FOR THE OLD CITY HALL.
HOW MUCH DID THE NEW CITY HALL COST?
>> THEY'RE STILL BUILDING IT NOW.
I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT ME.
>> YOU'RE THE EXPERT, YOU JUST GIVE ME A EMPIRICAL EXAMPLE. [LAUGHTER] WE SHOULD TELL THEM.
>> WE WERE ONLY TASKED WITH THE SALE OF THEIR BUILDING.
THEY HAD ALREADY A SIMILAR SITUATION, THEY ALREADY OWNED THE LAND AND THEY HAD PROGRAMMED THE NEW CAMPUS AS THEY WERE CALLING IT.
BUT I CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER.
>> DID IT COST MORE FOR THE NEW CITY HALL? DID IT COST A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THEY SOLD THE OLD CITY HALL FOR?
>> I BELIEVE IT COST MORE, YES.
>> A LOT MORE. HOW MUCH DID THEY LEASE? HOW MUCH DID IT COST THEM ANNUALLY LEASING THE CITY HALL?
>> I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
>> THAT THEY SPEND. YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE COST OF A NEW CITY HALL BECAUSE THAT'S ALL CLEAR, THAT'S COST THAT THEY SPENT IN TERMS OF LEASING THIS NEW PROPERTY.
WHATEVER THE CITY HALL COSTS THAT WE CAN ADD, HE SAID IT TOOK WHAT? FOUR OR FIVE YEARS?
>> WELL, THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER FACILITY, BUT THEY HAD A FOUR-YEAR LEASE BACK JUST TO BE SAFE.
THEY REALISTICALLY WERE LOOKING AT A THREE YEAR, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO BE SAFE.
AND THEY HAD RIGHTS IF THE BUILDING WAS DELIVERED EARLIER, IT COULD TERMINATE THE LEASE.
THE DEVELOPER WAS HAPPY TO HAVE THEM MOVE OUT EARLIER, HE WANTED TO OBVIOUSLY REDEVELOP THE BUILDING.
ALL OF THAT STRUCTURE, WE WILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME DOWN THE ROAD TO WORK THROUGH THAT ONCE WE HAVE THE COSTS AND THE SIZES REALLY UNDERSTOOD.
>> WHAT IF, JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE FIND A EQUIVALENT SIZE BUILDING WITHIN OUR CITY AND WE LEASE THAT, AND WE PUT THE STAFF IN THAT TEMPORARILY AND WE REVAMP THIS CITY HALL, REBUILD IT LIKE THE WAY WE WANTED IT TO BE IN FUNCTION.
>> POSSIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW OF MANY BUILDINGS HERE THAT HAVE GOT THAT SPACE AVAILABLE BUT YES, THAT'S IT. I GUESS.
>> WOULD THAT COST A LOT LESS THAN SPENDING OVER 100 MILLION BUILDING A BRAND NEW ONE-STOP SHOP?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR NEW BUILDING IS GOING TO COST A HUNDRED.
AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL OF THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF WHAT IT COULD COST.
THEN ULTIMATELY YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
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BUT OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU WERE TO RENOVATE [NOISE] LET'S CALL IT, RENOVATE THIS BUILDING, IS IT CHEAPER THAN IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING? YES, THAT WOULD BE. HOWEVER, TO VICE MAYOR'S POINT, THE PURPOSE OF DOING THIS, NUMBER ONE, TO MAKE A ONE-STOP SHOP AND MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE AND EASIER FOR YOUR RESIDENTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.THAT'S ONE, TWO IS YOU WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE SITE FOR THE RESTAURANTS AND THE RETAIL AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY IS CLAMORING FOR.
SO IF YOU WERE TO RENOVATE THIS SITE, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT ADDING RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL AND SO ON AND SO FORTH TO THIS SITE.
SO ALL OF THOSE COSTS WILL BE PART OF THE STUDY THAT WE WILL BRING BACK TO YOU.
>> SO YOU'RE SAYING THE COMMUNITIES CLAMORING FOR THIS STUFF BUT WE HAVEN'T DELIVERED ON TAMARAC VILLAGE? WHAT WILL MAKE THIS DIFFERENT? WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN TAMARAC VILLAGE?
>> I THINK IT'S EQUALLY IF NOT MORE.
I MEAN, THIS IS A GREAT SITE, IT'S A LARGER SITE, TAMARAC VILLAGE IS A SMALLER SITE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUCCESSFUL I THINK YOU MENTIONED HARBOR YOU WOULD SCALE AND THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE DIVERSITY OF USES, A MIX OF TYPES OF RETAIL OR ENTERTAINMENT IS IMPORTANT AND TAMARAC VILLAGE IS LIMITED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE.
THIS SITE GIVES YOU A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND A LOT MORE KIND OF OPTIONALITY IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPMENT, OF PROVIDING A REAL ACTIVATED, YOU'VE GOT WATERFRONT, YOU POTENTIALLY COULD MAKE THIS A VERY EXCITING COMMERCIAL DINING RETAIL ENVIRONMENT.
>> SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS SITE IS ATTRACTIVE TO DEVELOPERS.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR US CITY HALL BUT IT'S ATTRACTIVE FOR DEVELOPERS.
>> WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE.
>> IT WILL BE ATTRACTIVE FOR DEVELOPERS?
>> BUT IF WE CAN BUILD A ONE-STOP SHOP THAT WE NEED, BUT IT'S GOOD FOR DEVELOPERS.
>> [NOISE] I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
>> NO, YOU JUST SAID THAT IT'S ATTRACTIVE.
IT'S MORE ATTRACTIVE TO DEVELOPERS.
>> THIS SITE WOULD BE, AGAIN, GIVEN THE SIZE, GIVEN THE LOCATION, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT'S GOT SOME WATERFRONT FEATURE, SO ON AND SO FORTH, THIS WOULD BE A VERY ATTRACTIVE SITE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, YES.
>> SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU WERE CREATIVE IN SARASOTA, SELLING THE BUILDING, LEASING THE BUILDING.
I'M SAYING, JUST AN IDEA, WE'RE DOING A FEASIBILITY, WE'RE BRAINSTORMING, WE'RE SEEING WHAT IS CAPABLE.
IT IS NOW STUDIES ABOUT WHAT IS POSSIBLE, WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN IMAGINE.
IN IMAGINING WHAT WE CAN DO, I'M SAYING WHAT ABOUT IF WE LEASE AN EQUIVALENT SIZE BUILDING AND LOOK AT REVAMPING THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
>> IF I MAY. JUST BEFORE THE PANDEMIC THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROCESS THAT WE WERE IN AND WE ACTUALLY WERE LOOKING AT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY OPERATIONS AT THIS SITE INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT ACTUALLY AND THEN THE PANDEMIC CAME IN AND THEN WE STOP THIS PROCESS AND HERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO ALL COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING US ARE DEVELOPING AND MODERNIZING AND IMPROVING THEIR COMMUNITIES.
OUR PURPOSE IN BRINGING THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU THIS MORNING IS TO MAINTAIN THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITIES OF BRINGING A MODERN LOOK, A NEW LOOK, AND OPPORTUNITIES TO THE COMMUNITY AND SEEING THE POSSIBILITIES OF THAT.
WE'RE NOT AT A POINT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH NUMBERS IN DOLLARS AND CENTS.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO COMPLETELY SIMPLY EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES AT THIS SITE AND IF WE WERE TO PURSUE THAT DREAM OF A NEW MUNICIPAL MIXED DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT IN THE NEW LOCATION, WHAT WOULD BE THE POSSIBILITIES FOR THAT?
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IT'S EXPLORING AND NO DECISION-MAKING AT THAT POINT.WHEN WE FIND THE RESULTS OF THIS EFFORT IF THE COMMISSIONER APPROVES THIS EFFORT THEN WE COME BACK AND THEN WE START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
>> WHICH I AGREE WE'RE EXPLORING.
I'M IN FAVOR OF US EXPLORING AND DOING DIFFERENT THINGS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT LET'S KEEP DIFFERENT OPTIONS OPEN, THAT'S ONLY MY POINT WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE REFERRING SARASOTA AND YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE DOING THIS SO YOU CAN USE I THINK THE SAME LEGAL TERM PRECEDENTS OR TRACK RECORD IN HISTORY LIKE THE VICE MAYOR WAS MENTIONING.
BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE YOU SHOULD HAVE HISTORY OF HOW MUCH THIS COSTS, WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, JUST OFFHAND BECAUSE YOU'RE THE EXPERT.
SO YOU SHOULD COME IN WITH INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT TELL US, LOOK, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE COST, THIS IS IDEAS THAT WE CAN DO, WHEN I PROBE YOU AND ASK YOU THE QUESTION, YOU GIVE ME SARASOTA AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT AND FOR RESIDENTS, WAYS AND OPTIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE I DO AGREE, WE DO NEED THESE THINGS.
WE DO NEED A PLACE WHERE RESIDENTS CAN COME AND HANDLE ALL THE SERVICES, IT'S NEEDED.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT IN A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE AS A WHOLE, NOT ONLY STAFF IS IMPORTANT BUT ALSO TAKING INTO RESIDENTS CONCERNS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE REPRESENT THEM AND THEIR VOICE IS THE STRONGEST VOICE.
ELECTED OFFICIALS MIGHT HAVE GOOD IDEAS, CONSULTANTS MIGHT HAVE GOOD IDEAS, BUT THE BEST IDEAS COME FROM THE PEOPLE THAT SEND US HERE TO REPRESENT THEM.
I'M JUST ONLY ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I HEARD FROM RESIDENTS.
IT'S JUST NOT ME TAKING THIS OUT OF MY BRAIN.
THOSE WERE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS ADDRESSED TO ME AND I'M JUST ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AS BEING A VOICE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
>> I UNDERSTAND. AGAIN, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTED WITH THE FACTS AND THE DATA AND THE REAL NUMBERS, THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL REALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF, DO WE WANT TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY OR THAT KIND OF MONEY? HOW DO WE REALLY WANT TO DO THIS? BUT YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF DATA AND SPECIFIC NUMBERS AT YOUR DISPOSAL THEN FOR YOU TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. KEN, WHAT IS MORE ATTRACTIVE, RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL?
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN, [LAUGHTER] YOU'RE A BUYER, OR YOU'RE A BUILDER, YOU'RE A DEVELOPER.
WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO BUILD OR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT, WHAT WOULD THEY WANT TO BUILD ANYWHERE MOST, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, WHAT'S MORE VALUABLE TO THEM?
>> AGAIN IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION.
>> YOU WEREN'T JUST NOT SO FORTHCOMING WITH.
>> NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE.
>> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH COLLIER'S? THAT'S A PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION, THE ABOUT COLLIER'S SECTION, SO I'M ASKING YOU, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH COLLIER'S?
>> EIGHT YEARS. HOW LONG HAS COLLIER'S HAS BEEN AROUND?
>> WHEN YOU'RE EIGHT YEARS OVER THE 100 YEARS, VIA EXPERIENCE, WHAT IS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO DEVELOPERS? WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE TO BUILD? RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL.
>> THE MOST EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE IN THE WORLD, IS OFFICE.
>> YOU BELIEVE AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE, IF OFFICE IS MORE ATTRACTIVE OR MORE EXPENSIVE, WE COULD GET MORE MONEY FOR BUILDING COMMERCIAL HERE THAN RESIDENTIAL.
>> NO, I DIDN'T SAY THIS SITE. I SAID IN GENERAL.
>> IN GENERAL, SO NOW WE'RE DRILLING IT DOWN.
DO YOU THINK AT THIS SITE, WE WOULD GET MORE MONEY FOR BUILDING COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL?
>> YES. WHAT WOULD YOU THINK OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, WHAT WOULD BE MORE VALUABLE FOR THIS SITE? YOUR OPINION, RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL?
>> RESIDENTIAL. OUR RESIDENTS DON'T WANT MORE RESIDENTIAL IN OUR CITY.
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>> YOU CONTROL THE SITE SO YOU CAN DETERMINE WHAT IT'S WORTH.
>> I UNDERSTAND, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ITEMS BEFORE WAS TO PUT A ZONING IN PROGRESS MORATORIUM AND ALL DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL.
>> WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TRUE [INAUDIBLE] I UNDERSTAND, BUT RIGHT NOW.
>> YOU'RE FINISHED? I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO REBUT, WILL CLARIFY.
[NOISE] IF YOU CAN, VICE MAYOR, AS I'VE ASKED EVERYBODY BEFORE, JUST KEEP IT TO YOUR COMMENTS, DON'T MAKE THEM ACROSS THE BOARD, KEEPING WITH WHAT YOU WANT, WE DON'T NEED THIS FINGER-POINTING, WE DON'T NEED TO SAY WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE SAID, OR MISQUOTE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE SAID, OR MISINTERPRET WITH SOMEBODY ELSE SAID, OR EVEN SAY THE FACTS [NOISE] OF WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE SAID AND WE ALSO DON'T NEED THAT GOING TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE ASKING TO PRESENT TO US.
WE DON'T NEED TO PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH OR GRILL THEM.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JUST SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ONLY. THANK YOU.
>> MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PULL THE ITEM ABOUT THE MORATORIUM THAT ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES PRESENTED, JUST SO THE RECORD WOULD BE CLEAR.
>> KEN, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP [INAUDIBLE], BECAUSE THE BUSINESS OBSERVER WROTE AN ARTICLE AND THEY SAID THAT THEIR SITE WAS SOLD TO BENDERSON, RINGS A BELL, IN 2001 FOR $25 MILLION.
REPAIRS TO THAT SITE WOULD HAVE COST $49 MILLION, BUT TO REBUILD THE NEW SITE, COSTED OR WILL COST 72 MILLION UP TO 74 MILLION, THEY GOT 25 MILLION, BUT THEY HAVE TO SPEND 74 MILLION JUST TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND SO THE WHAT IFS ARE, WHAT IF WE GET FIVE DOLLARS FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT HAVE TO SPEND $20 ELSEWHERE.
WHERE DO WE GET $15 FROM? DO WE THEN DO A BOND THAT NOW THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY IN TAXES? THEN YOUR COMMENTARY SAID, RESIDENTIAL IS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO DEVELOPERS, IT WOULD GIVE US MORE MONEY.
THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT MORE RESIDENTIAL ALONG PINE ISLAND.
THEY'LL BE DEVASTATED, IF THEY SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD BE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
I'M NOT AGAINST BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL SOMEWHERE, I'M NOT AGAINST PROGRESS, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT EXPLORE, ALL I'M SAYING IS EXPLORE WITH WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY TOLD US.
WE DON'T WANT MORE RESIDENTIAL, SO TAKE THAT OUT AND LET'S EXPLORE THE WHAT IFS FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THE WHAT IFS ARE, WHAT DO WE GET FOR COMMERCIAL AND HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL SITE? IF LIKE IN SARASOTA, WE'RE GOING TO GET $25 MILLION FOR THIS PROPERTY AND THEN HAVE TO SPEND $75 MILLION, THEN LET'S EXPLORE THAT AND WHAT IF.
WHERE DO WE GET $50 MILLION FROM? DO WE PUT A BOND ON THE 2024 BALLOT? I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CONCERNS AND REALLY AND TRULY, I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE BEING ADDRESSED.
JUST TO MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR, KEN I'M NOT FOR A STUDY THAT WOULD PUT MORE RESIDENTIAL ON THIS SITE AT CITY HALL, THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE, CAN'T DO THAT TO OUR RESIDENTS.
>> I'M WRAPPING IT UP SINCE EVERYONE'S GONE TWICE.
TAMARAC VILLAGE IS LAYING IT OUT THERE, TAMARAC VILLAGE IS A PLAN, TAMARAC VILLAGE HAD DELAYS, TAMARAC VILLAGE WAS NOT A FAILURE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.
THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE CONTRACTOR,
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THERE WAS COVID THERE WAS AN OPTION TO PURCHASE, AN OPTION TO PROCEED, THAT DEVELOPER DECIDED NOT TO ISSUE THE OPTION.IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
THERE WILL BE COMMERCIAL GOING THERE AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PLAN.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU'VE BEEN TAKING SO FAR THIS MORNING.
AS AN EXPERT, YOU ARE HERE TO TELL US ABOUT WHAT WE NEED HERE.
YOU ARE NOT ASKED TO COME WITH YOUR WHOLE PLETHORA OF WHAT YOU'VE WORKED ON AND EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR THAT MIGHT BE SPENT WITH THINGS THAT ARE NOT APPLES TO APPLES OR EVEN FUJI APPLES TO WASHINGTON APPLES.
BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT YOU DID THE WHOLE PROJECT, THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU ONLY DID A PART OF.
IT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE ALL THAT FINANCIAL KNOWLEDGE FOR US HERE TO GRILL YOU.
YES, THE REALITY IS, AS WE HAVE LEARNED WITH COLONY WEST, WE COULD HAVE TAKEN THAT BUILDING AND WE COULD HAVE PUT SOME CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS INTO IT AND IT WOULD'VE LASTED FOR 25 YEARS.
BUT WE MADE AN EDUCATED DECISION AT THE TIME WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAD TO KNOCK THE BUILDING DOWN, START ALL OVER AGAIN, FIGURE IT OUT, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT SHOULD LAST 60 YEARS.
BECAUSE WHEN ANYBODY HAS DONE ANYTHING IN YOUR HOME, IF YOU GO TO FIX THE WINDOWS WHICH ARE NOT HURRICANE, THEN YOU SEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THE NEXT THRESHOLD IS YOU NOW NEEDS TO FIX THE ELECTRIC.
THEN YOU NOW NEED TO FIX THIS.
IT BEGETS AND YOU WIND UP TO PUTTING GOOD MONEY AFTER BY THE WAY YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST KNOCKED IT DOWN AND STARTED ALL OVER AGAIN.
WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHAT WE DID WITH COLONY WEST.
AS IT PERTAINS TO THE ACTUAL PROJECT BEFORE YOU, WHICH IS TO DETERMINE 27 PLUS ACRES WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE IT, PARK & REC BUILDING, FIRE STATION 15 AND PUBLIC SERVICES.
IF YOU'VE NOT VISITED THIS COMPOUND, IT'S GOT TONS OF DIRT.
IT'S GOT ALL OF OUR FLEET VEHICLES OTHER THAN SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S HERE FOR THE CODE THAT LIVES ON THIS PROPERTY, IT'S GOT A LOT THAT IT HAS TO HOUSE, PLUS A BEAUTIFUL BLANK CANVAS ON STATE STREET AND NOB HILL WHERE CERTAIN THINGS COULD BE DONE TEMPORARILY IF WE NEED SOME STRUCTURES WHILE THINGS ARE BUILT OR WHATEVER.
AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS SPACE, WE'VE LOOKED INTO THIS, WE'VE LOOKED INTO ALL THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE.
YOUR STUDY WILL INCORPORATE ALL THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
BUT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM ALL THE RESIDENTS, I'M SO SORRY.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ALL THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THIS CONVERSATION JUST STARTED.
HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS CANAL FEEL ABOUT HAVING COMMERCIAL ONLY.
MAYBE THEY RATHER SEE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CANAL SOME SMALL TOWN HOMES.
MAYBE THEY RATHER HAVE THAT BORDERING THEM ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR SOME QUIET FORTITUDE.
THEN FOR THE REST OF THE 14 ACRES OF THIS PROPERTY, BE A MIXED USE OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RETAIL OF SOME SORT.
HOW ARE WE MAKING THESE DECISIONS BASED ON WE'VE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS, FORGIVE ME.
WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE HAVEN'T PUT IT OUT THERE TO HEAR FROM THE AFFECTED RESIDENTS AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.
I AM NOT FOR MAKING THIS COMPOUND OF 14 ACRES RECREATION BECAUSE IF WE'RE ALSO CLAMORING ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE OR DON'T HAVE, YOU MAKE THIS RECREATION FOR A PARK.
IT TAKES TO WRITE-OFF THE TAX ROLLS THAT IT COULD BE ON TO BE ABLE TO HELP PAY FOR THINGS THAT EVERYBODY WANTS.
THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, WE'RE HEARING THAT PEOPLE WANT MORE HOUSING BECAUSE THEY'RE TIRED OF HOW EXPENSIVE THE RENT IS OR HOW HIGH THE PROPERTY VALUES ARE FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANT TO BUY AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THEY'VE ASKED US TO INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING, WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING, SILVER, SNEAKERS TYPE HOUSING, WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE.
BUT WE'VE BEEN ASKED FOR IT, AND TO ALWAYS UNJUST CUT IT OFF WITHOUT HAVING THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT I BELIEVE WE OWE OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESSES TO DO, I THINK IS A POOR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY ON OUR PART.
I'M NOT SAYING I WILL WANT THE HOUSING.
I JUST SAY I CAN'T TELL YOU I WANT OR DON'T WANT, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
WE ALSO HAVE NOT AGAIN GONE OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
WE KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY OF 27 ACRES MIGHT BE MUCH LARGER THAN WE NEED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A PORTION OF IT WE HAVEN'T USED AN EONS BECAUSE IT'S GOT GRASS AND THREE BEAUTIFUL SCULPTURES ON THERE, ONE THAT SAYS, BE KIND.
WE KNOW THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO EITHER SELL THAT LAND TO HELP PAY FOR THE COST OF OTHER THINGS, OR WE CAN LEASE THE LAND TO PAY FOR THE COST OF OTHER THINGS.
WE HAVE GOOD TANGIBLE OPTIONS.
WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE AS A CITY TO HAVE
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SUCH OPTIONS TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO.SOME OF THAT HAS SOME GROWING PAINS WITH IT BUT IN ORDER TO GROW WITH IT, WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, NOT JUST KNEE-JERK REACTION AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.
PEOPLE ARE ALSO SAYING THEY WANT COMMERCIAL, THEY WANT ADDITIONAL THINGS, THEY WANT RESTAURANTS.
WE'VE ALSO LEARNED FROM VARIOUS APPRAISALS WHETHER IT WAS STUFF THAT WE'RE READING FOR LATER ON TODAY, STUFF THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO US.
WE HAVE OUTDATED SHOPPING PLAZAS.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THOSE SHOPPING PLAZAS, BUT THIS IS OUR PROPERTY AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE HAVE CONTROL OVER.
IN ORDER TO MODERNIZE, REVITALIZE, AND KEEP OUR CITY GOING AND GROWING AND DOING IT IN AN EFFECTIVE AND SMART MANNER, WE NEED TO NOT CUT OUR NOSE OFF TO SPITE OUR FACE.
WE NEED TO LET YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND GIVE US ALL THE USES.
THEN FROM WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US AFTER ALSO VISITING WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE AN EDUCATED DETERMINATION FOR THAT PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY.
YES, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WE MAY BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE SAY WE'RE GETTING $50,000 FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IT'S GOING TO COST US $100,000 TO DO THE NEW COMPOUND.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LEASE CERTAIN SELF PIECES OF PROPERTY FOR $25,000.
I'M JUST USING SIMPLE MATH PEOPLE, PLEASE DON'T HOLD ME TO NUMBERS.
BUT THAT OTHER $25,000, GUESS WHAT? WE MAY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM, BECAUSE THE COST OF THE EFFICIENCY, THE COST OF PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING UP.
BECAUSE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR ALL THOSE COMMENTS THAT I HEAR, THERE'S NOBODY WHO DOES ANYTHING IN BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, THAT THEY WILL DO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOUR PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS THAT WE'RE IN.
HAS ANYBODY'S PROPERTY VALUE HAS GONE DOWN IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS AS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REVITALIZE OUR CITY, I THINK THE ANSWER IN THAT IS NO.
WE CANNOT BE AFRAID OF WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET.
WE'VE GOT TO BE WILLING TO HEAR, LEARN, LISTEN, AND THEN COME BACK AND DISCUSS.
MAXINE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AND YOU GOT CUT OFF.
WERE YOU ABLE TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHT? AND IF YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHT, DID YOU WISH TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHT?
I JUST WANTED FOR CLARITY FOR THE RECORD THAT MY COMMENT AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL WAS ON ITEM 1B WAS NOT ON THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.
AGAIN, MY SUPPORT IS FOR HEARING ALL THE BEST USES OF THIS PROPERTY AND THAT PROPERTY.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
WE'VE GOT TO LISTEN TO IT ALL.
WE NEED TO TAKE ALL THE DATA WHILE WE'RE DOING IT AND BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RELEVANT ITEMS TO OUR CITY AND NOTHING ELSE.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO GO FORWARD WITH THE STUDY, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT CONSENSUS AT THIS TIME.
DO WE NEED CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING TO BRING IT FOR WEDNESDAY NIGHT?
>> NO, THE ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> WHEN DID WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO BRING FORWARD THIS STUDY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
>> LAST MEETING DURING THE BUDGET, WE HAD CONSENSUS TO BRING THIS FORWARD.
>> WE DID. WE RECEIVED CONSENSUS AT THE JUNE 2023 BUDGET WORKSHOP. I MADE THE PRESENTATION.
>> TO HAVE THE ITEM PLACED ON THE UPCOMING JULY 12TH AGENDA.
>> FOUR TO ONE OR 3-2, WHAT WAS THE CONSENSUS? JUST REMIND US, PLEASE FOR THE RECORD.
>> VICE MAYOR, I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU DURING A BREAK OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T HAVE IT OFF HEAD, BUT THERE WAS CONSENSUS.
>> THERE WAS CONSENSUS, IT'S MOVING ALONG.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 11:30.
I KNOW WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO REALLY WANT TO GET TO 1B.
I ALSO KNOW THAT PEOPLE NEED A BREAK.
I APOLOGIZE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHO WANT TO HEAR THE NEXT ITEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK.
WE WILL GET BACK HERE AT 11:40, WE'RE IN RECESS.
>> WE'RE READY? EXCELLENT. WELL, WE ARE A FEW MINUTES PAST.
NOW WE ARE READY TO START WITH ITEM 1B,
[1.b Feasibility Analysis Proposal for the Colony West Glades Golf Course Residential/Retail/Entertainment]
FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS PROPOSAL FOR THE COLONY WEST GLADES GOLF COURSE,[01:30:01]
RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL, ENTERTAINMENT.THIS PRESENTATION'S BY MAXINE CALLOWAY, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND KEVIN KRASNOW, VICE MAYOR OF INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR SERVICES COLLIERS INTERNATIONAL, FLORIDA. PLEASE PROCEED.
>> THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
BEFORE I INTRODUCE KEN, AGAIN, WE HAVE BIFURCATED THIS PRESENTATION ON THIS MORNING'S WORKSHOP AGENDA SO WE COULD SEPARATE THE DISCUSSION.
BUT ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA, THIS ITEM IS ONE ITEM TOGETHER WITH ENTERTAINMENT PROPOSAL FROM COLLIERS IS ONE ITEM.
TR13972 WILL APPEAR ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA TO RETAIN COLORS FOR BOTH DISCUSSION.
KEN WILL GO THROUGH THIS ITEM JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT IN PREVIOUS MEETING, BOTH IN A BUDGET MEETING AS WELL AS IN OUR RETREAT, STAFF WAS COMMISSIONED BY THIS COMMISSION TO GO AHEAD AND TO BRING FORWARD THIS DISCUSSION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KEN SO HE CAN WALK US THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSION.
AGAIN, KEN KRASNOW FROM COLLIER'S, AGAIN.
WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS.
AGAIN, AS I REITERATED IN OUR PRIOR DISCUSSION, WHAT WE ARE BEING TASKED TO DO OR POTENTIALLY ASKED TO DO, IS TO STUDY THE POTENTIAL USES FOR THE COLONY WEST GLADES CURRENTLY EXISTING GOLF COURSE, AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH A MIX OF OPTIONS AND USES AND POTENTIAL VALUES.
AT WHICH POINT THEN YOU WILL HAVE ALL OF THE DECISIONS AND FACTS AT YOUR DISPOSAL FOR WHAT YOU CAN THEN DECIDE WHICH DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO.
JUST TO REITERATE, I'M SURE THIS IS NOT NEW INFORMATION FOR YOU, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROXIMATELY A 77 ACRE PARCEL, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS BROKEN UP INTO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PIECES.
OUR ANALYSIS TAKEN IN ALL OF THE RELEVANT MARKET DATA, WILL BE TO COME BACK TO YOU IN A STUDY THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AN APPROPRIATE MIX OF BOTH RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE, AS WELL AS RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, AND ENTERTAINMENT.
AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PARCEL, I MEAN, SOME OF THE SPACES ARE OBVIOUSLY SUITED FOR POTENTIALLY MORE RESIDENTIAL AND OPEN SPACE, AND CERTAIN SPACES MIGHT BE MORE SUITED AND MEANINGFUL FOR POTENTIAL RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL OR ENTERTAINMENT TYPE USES.
BUT OUR STUDY, AGAIN IS REALLY JUST TO GIVE YOU THE OPTIONS AND THE DATA THAT WILL SUPPORT THOSE FINDINGS.
JUST AGAIN, TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE SCOPE, THE PROPER MIX OF RESIDENTIAL USES WILL BE LOOKED AT.
THAT WILL INCLUDE SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOUSE, POTENTIALLY MULTI-FAMILY, AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE, RECREATIONAL, I SAY COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY MINDFUL THAT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY CURRENTLY A GOLF COURSE OR RECREATIONAL USE THAT'S MIXED INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU IS FOCUSING ON BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT.
WITH REGARDS TO THE RETAIL, OR THE COMMERCIAL, THE ENTERTAINMENT FOCUS, AGAIN, I MENTIONED CERTAIN PARCELS ARE GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY MORE SUITABLE, BUT THINGS THAT CAN PROVIDE LOW-IMPACT, FAMILY-FRIENDLY FOOD AND DINING AND AGAIN, COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT.
SIMILAR TO WHAT I EXPLAINED TO YOU IN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TAMARAC VILLAGE, UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF RESTAURANTS, WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL, WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL, POTENTIALLY, WHAT TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL? HERE WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DATA POINTS THAT YOU SEE BELOW YOU WITH REGARDS TO STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, ETC.
WE LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS, WE LOOK AT CONSUMER EXPENDITURES.
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AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU A LOT OF DATA, AND THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS.ONE OF THE DECISIONS, SIMILAR TO OUR PRIOR CONVERSATION, COULD BE TO FIX AND RENOVATE THE EXISTING GOLF COURSE, THAT'S THERE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR STUDY IS MEANT TO DO.
AGAIN, WE'RE EXPECTING THIS WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS FOR COMPLETION.
OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN THE PRIOR ENGAGEMENT AND AT A SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED COSTS, THAT'S ABOUT $12,500 FOR THIS STUDY.
AGAIN, I MENTIONED REITERATE FEASIBILITY, ANALYSIS, OPTIONS, AND COMPATIBILITY, AND THAT WE WILL BRING BACK TO YOU IN THE SIX TO EIGHT WEEK TIMETABLE, ALL OF THE DATA FROM WHICH YOU WILL THEN BE ABLE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IF ANYTHING.
>> WELL, AGAIN, I'LL GO FIRST.
WHEN THIS ITEM WAS FIRST MENTIONED DURING BUDGET, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A WORKSHOP.
THAT WAS AN INTRODUCTION AND A CONVERSATION AND MINIMAL AS IT WAS, BECAUSE WE WERE COMING HERE.
I KNOW I MENTIONED MAYBE MODERNIZING THE COURSE FOR A NINE, MAKING IT 18 HOLE WITH PAR 9, NINE HOLES WITH PAR 3, THE PAR 9 WOULD BE REALLY LONG.
THEN INTRODUCING A DRIVING RANGE, PUTT-PUTT, ANYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO GOLF.
I DID STATE IF THERE'S A RESTAURANT AND ROOM FOR SMALL HOUSING, LIKE A TOWN HOME OR HOUSING, BASED ON MY QUICK LOOK AT THE MAP.
WHEN I DID A QUICK LOOK AT THE MAP THOUGH.
I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS IN MY VISION.
LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND DEALING WITH THE 77 ACRES THAT IS ACTUALLY BEFORE US, I AM REMOVING MY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOUSING BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHERE HOUSING CAN GO AND I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF ANY APARTMENT HOUSING AND I'M NOT BEING AT ALL FOR THIS.
I THOUGHT WE WERE MORE TOWARDS WHERE WE ARE ON MCNAB, AND THERE'S A REALLY MASSIVE PLOT OF LAND THAT COULD TOLERATE SOME BUILDING ON IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GOLF OF SOME SORT.
I WANT THAT CLEAR ON THE RECORD, I DON'T SUPPORT THE PORTION OF THIS THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL ON IT.
I BELIEVE IN WHAT WE ESTABLISHED WHEN WE BOUGHT COLONY WEST.
I BELIEVE THIS IS OUR DESTINATION, I BELIEVE THIS IS OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD TO PLAY GOLF.
BUT I'M ALSO MINDFUL ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT NOT EVERYBODY HAS A TOLERANCE AND THE PATIENTS FOR 18 HOLES.
SO WITH WANTING TO CREATE WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND MODERNIZE, I WOULD STILL LIKE IF POSSIBLE, UNLESS IT'S COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN, LOOKING HOW TO REVITALIZE THE GOLF COURSE.
BECAUSE AT THIS TIME MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S ABOUT $1.5 MILLION TO FIX THE DRAINAGE ON THIS COURSE, IS THAT CORRECT, CITY MANAGER?
>> RIGHT NOW, THE COURSE IS PLAYABLE.
FROM THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE RECEIVED, IT'S PLAYED ACTUALLY TWO-THIRDS LESS THAN THE CHAMPION COURSE.
I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY JUST SAY TO THE CITY MANAGER, WHY DON'T WE PUT THE NUMBERS IN? BECAUSE I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT GOOD, I DON'T HAVE THEM.
CHAMPION OF COURSE, THERE'S MORE PLAY ON THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE BY THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT.
DID I SAY THAT RIGHT THIS TIME?
>> CORRECT, WE HAD ALMOST ONE-AND-A-HALF MILLION ROUNDS ON THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE, AND THEN WE HAD ABOUT 550,000 IN REVENUES, [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE ROUNDS ARE ABOUT 41,000 IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP AND ABOUT 25,000 ON THE GLADES COURSE.
>> I'M NOT SURE ABOUT HOW MUCH WHAT THE STUDY WOULD TELL ME, HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN GET OUT OF THE GLAZE COURSE IN PLAY, WHICH WOULD ALSO REVITALIZE AND ADD SOME MORE ATTRACTIVENESS TO OUR CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE A OBLIGATION TO LOOK INTO DOING THIS.
I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY GOES INTO REVITALIZING 18 HOLES AS 18 HOLES, MAYBE IT SHOULD, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE.
WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE THROUGH GOLF THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON THE GLADES COURSE?
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EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE THAT PERTAINS TO GOLF, WHICH INCLUDES MY IDEAS, BUT IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE PUTT-PUTT, THEN THEY DON'T LIKE PUTT-PUTT.AGAIN, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING CREATIVE WHERE IF PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO TOWN OR THE FAMILIES ARE VISITING AND NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO PLAY NINE HOLES, NOT EVERYBODY WANT TO PLAY 18 HOLES, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING FUN FOR A TEMPORARY HOUR FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY.
ALSO LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE BUILT, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WOULD BE MINDFUL OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOISE FACTOR, LIGHTING FACTOR, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF AND PARKING FACTOR.
I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE FOLLOWING COMMENT, BUT I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
WE HAVE TO TREAT THIS AS ANY OTHER PROPERTY IN THE CITY THAT THE CITY OWNS.
THE CITY OWNS THIS, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPER THAT OWNS THEIR PROPERTY.
WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY IN THE BEST USE FOR WHAT THE CITY NEEDS.
AGAIN, TAKING INTO WHAT WE HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UTILIZING IT, WELL, MEANING OUR RESIDENTS. ONE OF THE PLACE I WAS GOING WITH THIS.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO DON'T LIKE THE GOLF COURSE.
I KNOW FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING, DON'T GET RID OF THE GOLF COURSE, THOSE WORDS MAY BE VERY HARD TO HEAR, BUT IT'S ALSO OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HEAR IT AND TO SAY IT.
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU GIVE US WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN A MANNER THAT HERE'S EVERYTHING AND DOES THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE RESIDENTS.
OR MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP GETTING GOLF BALLS IN THEIR CARS AND IN THEIR FRONT YARDS AND IN THEIR HOUSES, THAT AREA COULD POTENTIALLY BE MORE OF A QUIET AREA.
MAYBE THAT'S IF WE'RE MAKING THEM TWO NINE HOLES AND PAR-3'S WE'RE SHUTTING THE COURSE A LITTLE BIT.
WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE POCKET PARK AREA WHERE YOU CAN SIT THERE, READ A BOOK, WALK A DOG.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY DO, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE THE EXPERT THAT WILL GO OUT AND FIGURE IT OUT AND BRING BACK THE IDEAS FOR US TO SORT THROUGH.
IF IN THE END, IT WINDS UP BEING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE JUST LEAVING THE 18 HOLES THE WAY IT IS AND WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIX THAT DRAINAGE AND BE ABLE TO GET SPRINKLER SYSTEMS WORKING AND THEN PUT A NEW BUNKERS AND PUT A NEW TEE BOXES AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT THEN.
IT'S ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS FROM NOW.
I PRESUME YOU'LL HAVE AS EVERYTHING ELSE ALWAYS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITIES AROUND THERE.
I SEE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU KEN AGAIN.
IT'LL COST ABOUT FOUR MILLION DOLLARS TO FIX IT UP.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING TO IT? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS I GO TO COLONY WEST QUITE A BIT.
I GO GOLFING AT COLONY WEST QUITE A BIT, I GO TO WOODMONT.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE SNOWBOARDS. THEY'RE COMING DOWN.
WHEN THERE'S AN OVERFLOW, THOSE PLAYERS ARE BEING PUSHED TO THE GLADES, THE EXECUTIVE OF COURSE.
THAT COURSE IS IN DEPLORABLE CONDITIONS.
PLAYERS USE THE WORD SUCKS. IT SUCKS.
THERE'S A LOT OF, I'LL CALL THEM POTHOLES.
WHEN THE WATER JUST SITS THERE, IT'S DEPLORABLE.
THERE'S NO DIRECTIONS WHERE TO GO.
YOU'RE HITTING HOUSES, ESPECIALLY BY ON THE 31 ACRES AREA.
THE TWO-ACRE AREA, SOME AREAS ARE JUST POINTLESS.
MY QUESTION IS, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, LET'S JUST KEEP IT AS A GOLF COURSE. COOL, WONDERFUL.
AS THE MAYOR SAID EXPAND IT TO RECREATIONAL USES, WHAT WOULD IT COST US TO DO ALL THAT? BECAUSE IF IT'S COSTING US NOW FOUR MILLION DOLLARS, WE HAVE ALL THESE PROJECTS.
EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION SAYS THEY WANT TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT YET SPEND MILLIONS ELSEWHERE AND NOT WHERE IT SHOULD GO OR WHEREVER HOW IT SHOULD GO.
WHERE ARE WE, IN FOUR YEARS FROM NOW? IS IT GOING TO BE EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS TO FIX THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE SPRINKLERS.
IF SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION TO ME FOR
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THE DEPRECIATION HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY IN A YEAR FROM NOW.PERSONALLY ME, I ASKED, NOW, AM I GOING TO BE PUT ON THE CHAMPION COURSE OR THE EXECUTIVE COURSE? IF I'M BEING PUSHED TO EXECUTIVE COURSE, I'M NOT GOING TO THE EXECUTIVE COURSE.
I'M GOING TO GO WITH WOODMONT. FIVE MINUTES AWAY, I'M GOING TO WOODMONT.
I'D RATHER PAY MORE BECAUSE THE EXECUTIVE COURSE, IT'S HALF THE PRICE I THINK IT IS OR SIMILAR TO THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT IF I DON'T REPRESENT OTHER GOLFERS AGO, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS.
I BELIEVE THE SNOWBOARDS WHEN THEY COME DOWN, THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING THAT NOTION OF OH, I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THAT COURSE.
WE JUST RENEWED OUR LEASE FOR GOLF CARTS BECAUSE OUR GOLF CARTS HAD HOLES AND THEY WERE BEING PATCHED UP BY TAPE AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE PAYING FOR ROUNDS OF GOLF AND THEN GOING AFTERWARDS TO HAVE SODA AND CHIPS AND SANDWICH AND THIS AND THAT.
SPEND FOUR OR FIVE HOURS THERE WITH GOLF CARTS THAT AREN'T WORKING PROPERLY.
A GOLF COURSE THAT I REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE BALL IS GOING BECAUSE NOW WE'RE INTERSECTING TWO WAYS, ESPECIALLY ON THE 31.
AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, I STARTED THE STORY THAT MOST PEOPLE HERE PROBABLY DON'T GO GOLFING AND THE COMMISSION FOR SURE DOESN'T EVEN GO GOLFING THERE.
MY QUESTION IS THE DEPRECIATION VALUE.
AS FAR AS US KEEPING IT, WHERE ARE WE IN A YEAR FROM NOW? WHERE ARE WE IN FOUR YEARS FROM NOW?
>> COMMISSIONER, WITHOUT SPECULATING, I CAN SIMPLY SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF INCREASING, RAISING COST OF REPLACING THE GREENS AND THE TURF AND THE BUNKERS, THE TEES, AND ALL OF THAT.
THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR.
>> NOW, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I AM AGAINST RESIDENTIAL, I'M GOING TO STICK TO MY MORATORIUM COMMENT WHERE I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING ELSE BEING BUILT ANYTIME SOON.
UNTIL EVERY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CITY HAS BEEN BUILT.
PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY HAVE USED WHATEVER'S BEING BUILT.
UNTIL THEN, THAT'S WHEN I WILL MAKE A DECISION IF IT COMES FORWARD AGAIN.
IF WE NEED MORE RESIDENTIAL OR NOT.
BECAUSE FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN, YES, SOMEONE RENTING AN APARTMENT FOR TWO BEDROOMS SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR PEOPLE AT MAX. BUT GUESS WHAT? NOW GRANDMA NEEDS A PLACE TO GO AND GRANDPA NEEDS A PLACE TO GO.
NOW YOU'LL HAVE SIX PEOPLE IN WHERE OCCUPANCY IS ONLY FOR FOUR.
NOW YOUR GRANDPA AND GRANDMA HAVE A VEHICLE.
WHERE YOU HAD ONLY ONE VEHICLE SPACE AND YOU HAVE TWO VEHICLES IN THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL IT'S BEEN OCCUPIED.
THAT IS WHERE MY ISSUE LIES AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL COMES.
WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL, IF IT DOES COME BEFORE US, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HOMES, OR VILLAS, SOMETHING COMPATIBLE.
YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY OVER HERE, YOU HAVE TOWNHOMES OVER HERE.
YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOME OVER HERE.
AS FAR AS RENTALS, NO. LOOK WHAT WOODMONT DID.
WOODMONT AND PULTE PUT UP HOMES WHERE PEOPLE THOUGHT, OH, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.
THEY REACHED A MILLION DOLLARS WHERE THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE.
WHY ARE YOU BUILDING MORE HOMES ON THE GOLF COURSE? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELL.
I JUST WANT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
I DON'T WANT RESIDENTIAL AS OF NOW.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING IT HAS TO BE REDONE. JUST MY OPINION.
>> COMMISSIONER WRIGHT. [NOISE]
>> THANKS. LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, I MENTIONED THAT I DID NOT WANT DEVELOPMENT THERE, AND THEN I WANTED TO RECORD TO BE CORRECTED BECAUSE I WENT TO THE RESTROOM, AND I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION WITH THE CONSENSUS.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE GOLF COURSE.
I JUST WANT TO RECORD TO REFLECT THAT.
I MET WITH THE RESIDENTS ON SATURDAY, SOMEONE BOOKED ON MY CALENDAR AND IF I WAS GOING TO BE ONE RESIDENCE,
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AND WHEN I PULLED UP THAT WAS ABOUT 100 PEOPLE PRESENT UNDER A TREE IN SOMEONE'S YARD.VERY OLD-FASHIONED BUT VERY POWERFUL.
ALL OF THEM WILL NOT WANT THE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DO NOT WANT ANYTHING ON THE GOLF COURSE.
THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE.
BUT I LEARNED THAT WE MADE A PROMISE 10 YEARS AGO, THAT YOU PURCHASED THIS GOLF COURSE TO PROTECT IT FROM DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY DUTY AS CITY OFFICIALS, TO CARRY ON THAT PROMISE THAT WE MADE TO RESIDENTS.
AND THE THING THAT WE HAVE IN AMERICAN POLITICS TODAY IS THAT, WE TEND TO RENEGE ON DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
RENEGE ON PROMISES THAT WERE MADE TO INDIVIDUALS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP, THAT'S THE ONLY GREEN SPACE THAT WE STILL HAVE IN TAMARAC.
YOU CAN LOOK AT MANHATTAN, AND YOU'LL SEE MORE GREEN SPACE IN CENTRAL PARK THAN YOU SEE IN TAMARAC.
PEOPLE COME FOR TAMARAC BECAUSE OF THE GREEN SPACES, THE BEAUTIFUL SURROUNDINGS, OPEN SPACES, AND THAT GOLF COURSE IS BUSY.
EVERY DAY I SEE PEOPLE THERE PLAYING GOLF, DIVERSE PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE.
THERE WAS A YOUNG MAN THAT REACHED OUT TO ME A FEW WEEKS AGO, WANTED TO HAVE A TOURNAMENT ON THE GOLF COURSE.
HE HAD WOODMONT, HE HAD HOLLYWOOD, AND HE EVENTUALLY SELECTED COLONY WEST, BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST RATES.
AND THIS IS A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ATTORNEYS, JUDGES.
PEOPLE COME INTO A GOLF COURSE AND PLAYED, AND I PLAYED WITH THEM FOR A LITTLE. I'M NOT A GOLFER.
BUT ONE THING I KNOW IS GOLF HISTORY, BECAUSE I'M A SPORTS FANATIC.
I KNOW JACK NICKLAUS WAS THE GREATEST GOLFER, 18 MAJORS.
I KNOW THE MAJOR BEGINS IN AUGUSTA.
IT GOES TO THE BRITISH OPEN, IT GOES TO THE US OPEN, AND THEN IT GOES TO THE PGA, AND THE PEBBLE BEACH.
ONE THING I KNOW IS GOLF HISTORY.
AND FROM SEEING THOSE INDIVIDUALS GOING ON AT GOLF COURSE, I CAN TELL THAT GOLF COURSE IS A GOOD GOLF COURSE.
PEOPLE PLAYING, PEOPLE GOING AROUND, AND PEOPLE DO WHATEVER AND TO BRING A PUTT-PUTT AT NIGHT.
GOLFERS OR DAYTIME PEOPLE, GOLFERS PLAYING TODAY, IT'S A SOPHISTICATED CROWD.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WENT INTO REC, THEY DON'T REALLY PLAY AT NIGHT.
ONE THING THE RESIDENTS SAID TO ME IS THAT, HEY, GOLFERS SOMETIME BREAK MY WINDOW, BUT THEY COME IN AND SAY, I'LL PAY FOR THE WINDOW.
BUT AT NIGHT, WE GO AND WALK OUR DOGS, WE GO AND HANGOUT WITH OUR KIDS.
SO THERE'S A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING WITH THE GOLF COURSE AND THE CURRENT COMMUNITY.
WHY ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE THAT? WHY ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE THAT FOR DEVELOPMENT? WHY ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE THAT JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IT'S NOT GOOD? GOING BACK TO COLONY WEST, WE ALREADY HAVE A RESTAURANT.
WHY ARE WE GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER RESTAURANT? WE HAVE OUR RESTAURANTS THAT'S THERE.
WE HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT WE CAN BUILD ON.
I WENT TO COLONY WEST ON SATURDAY.
THEY SAID THAT IN ROANOKE CAN UP, TO MAKE THE RESTAURANT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THE HOTEL, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND THERE.
SO THIS GOLF COURSE, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.
I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED IN MY LIFE.
BUT IF THERE'S A BULLDOZER ON THE GOLF COURSE, I'M GOING TO GO UP THERE, AND I'M GOING TO STAND IN FRONT OF IT AND CAPTAIN COOPER, YOU'LL HAVE TO ARREST ME BECAUSE I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT ON THIS GOLF COURSE, AND I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED THE RECORD TO REFLECT AS WELL, THAT THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE COLONY WEST.
THE AMOUNT OF MESSAGES AND EMAILS, AND SOCIAL MEDIA POST THAT THINK THIS IS THE ENTIRE COLONY WEST, WE ARE DISCUSSING THE WEST PINE ISLAND AND EAST OF NORVELL OF COURSE.
THIS IS NOT WHERE THE HOTEL IS.
THIS IS NOT WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS.
THIS IS NOT THE CHAMPIONS COURSE WHERE MOST OF OUR MONEY COMES IN FROM, AND MOST OF THE MONEY IS BEING REINVESTED IN.
BUT IF AGAIN, WE ARE NOT REINVESTING MONEY INTO THIS COURSE.
THIS COURSE IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE'D RESOLVE THE PROBLEM NOW, OR THE FUTURE COMMISSIONS WILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, AND WE'LL HAVE TO BREAK A PROMISE OR BREAK THE BANK.
ONE OF THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE A DECISION THAT HAS TO BE MADE IN THE FUTURE.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I BELIEVE THAT I WAS CLEAR ENOUGH AT THE LAST WORKSHOP, THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE TO HISTORY.
ONE WOULD SAY TIMES HAVE CHANGED, OR WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE,
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AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SUSTAINABLE IN THAT'S STUFF.WE HAVE TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
LOOK AT THE HISTORY, LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE.
LOOK AT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE SAYING.
IF WE DON'T WANT RESIDENTIAL THERE, THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? PUT COMMERCIAL, THAT'S THE ONLY OPTIONS.
IF YOU DON'T PUT COMMERCIAL THERE, IF YOU DON'T PUT RESIDENTIAL THERE, YOU GOT TO PUT COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN THAT'S STILL DESTROYS THE GOLF COURSE.
THAT'S STILL PUTS DEVELOPMENT ON IT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS WANT.
OUR RESIDENTS WANT GREEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, LOOK AT GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT POLITICIANS TOLD THEM, THAT WOULD BE PRESERVED.
WHY ARE WE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON THIS? NO DISCUSSION.
SO FOR ME, FOR THE CITY, IS IT THAT WE WANT TO ENERGIZE OUR TAX BASE AND STUFF? WHAT'S THE IMPETUS? HELP ME UNDERSTAND, MS. CALLOWAY.
WHAT IS THE IMPETUS? WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS? WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING TAKING AWAY THE GOLF COURSE, THAT SHOULD BELONG TO THE PEOPLE? I DON'T EVEN USE THAT AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.
THIS IS A CITY ON GOLF COURSE.
SO IT SHOULD BELONG TO THE PEOPLE.
THAT IS WHAT WE TOLD THEM YEARS AGO, THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO WHAT'S THE IMPETUS? WHY ARE WE DOING THIS?
>> VICE MAYOR, THIS ITEM IS JUST EXPLORATORY.
SO THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO DISCUSSION WE HAD AT A BUDGET RETREAT, WHERE YOU'D ASK US, AS A COMMISSION TO GO BACK AND BRING FORWARD AN ITEM JUST FOR EXPLORATION, JUST TO SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE, PARTICULARLY IN THE REALM OF ENTERTAINMENT AND WHAT'S COMPATIBLE.
WHAT COLOR WILL BE DOING IS JUST EXPLAIN, BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU.
OF COURSE GIVEN WHAT WE'RE HERE, AND IF THERE'S NOT A DESIRE OF THIS COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE YOU.
SO THIS PORTION IS JUST EXPLORATORY IN NATURE, JUST TO SEE WHAT IS COMPATIBLE.
HOW CAN YOU RESPOND TO THE COMMUNITY, AS IT RELATES TO ENTERTAINMENT AND RESTAURANT ASKING THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR IN ADDITION TO THAT, TO RESPOND TO THIS COMMISSION WHO HAS ASKED US TO BRING FORWARD SOMETHING THAT EXPLORE THE OPTIONS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I PRIDE MYSELF ON DOING IS, IT'S ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SITTING WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, HEARING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
I HAVE A LAWYER FOR A LAWYER, FOR ANOTHER LAWYER.
SO FOR INSTANCE HANS KNOWS THAT WHEN HE TELLS ME SOMETHING, I'M JUST TAKING AT THE BIBLE, I'M GOING TO GO AND ASK ANOTHER LAWYER IF HIS OPINION IS RIGHT.
THEN I'M GOING TO ASK ANOTHER LAWYER OF THAT LAWYER'S OPINIONS.
THEN I'LL COME TO A FINAL DECISION LIKE OKAY, THIS IS REALLY IT.
HE KNOWS THAT ABOUT ME, AND WE GO BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME.
HE'LL TELL ME SOMETHING, I'M LIKE OKAY, LET ME CHECK WITH MY OTHER LAWYER, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK.
OKAY, HANS YOU'RE RIGHT OR YOU'RE WRONG, OR WHATEVER, IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
HE TELLS ME SOMETHING, I'M GOING TO GO TO ONE OF THE CITY MANAGER SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I'M GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS, AND I'M GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT.
MICHAEL SAVAGE, WHEN HE WAS HERE WHEN I WAS RUNNING IN 2016, HE SAT DOWN WITH ME UPSTAIRS FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS.
SO THIS HAS BEEN MY MO FOR VERY LONG TIME EVEN BEFORE I GOT ELECTED, I REALLY WANTED ANSWERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OTHER CITY MANAGERS WOULDN'T NAME ANY CITY, TOLD ME THEY SAID GOVERNMENT WORKS IN A VERY PECULIAR WAY.
THEY TAKE THINGS INCH BY INCH, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE TAKEN ALL AT ONCE, YOU'LL HAVE AN UPROAR.
CITY MANAGERS TAKE THINGS INCH BY INCH.
TAKE THE WEST SIDE, WE'RE JUST EXPLORING IT,
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BUILD ON IT. THIS WAS GOOD.TAKE THE EAST SIDE, INCH BY INCH.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU HAVE NOTHING.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT OTHER CITY MANAGERS? NOT THIS ONE.
THIS ONE IS BRIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT OTHER CITY MANAGERS WOULD SAY? IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A GOLF COURSE, TAKE A GOLF COURSE.
STOP MAINTAINING IT, LET THE WEEDS GROW, LET THE POSSUMS COME, AND THE RESIDENTS WILL BE BEGGING YOU TO BUILD ON IT.
I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF WE SAY NO TODAY, MAYBE ONE DAY IF WE HAVE A LESS THAN STELLAR CITY MANAGER, THAT GOLF COURSE WOULD PROBABLY START GROWING WEEDS BY DESIGN.
I CAN SAY NOW, NOT ON MY WATCH.
AS LONG AS I'M HERE FOR THE NEXT 18 YEARS, SIX YEARS AS COMMISSIONER AND 12 YEARS AS MAYOR. AS LONG AS I'M HERE, THAT GOLF COURSE WILL NOT BE BUILT ON.
MS. CALLOWAY, YOU DON'T OPEN THE DOOR TO HAVING WALMART IN YOUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT.
YOU DON'T OPEN THE DOOR TO A HORSE STABLE.
[BACKGROUND] WHAT I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT DON'T STUDY SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT.
IT IS SIMPLE. THEY DON'T WANT IT, I DON'T WANT IT.
SO, MS. CALLOWAY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND SHARING, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NO, THANK YOU.
>> ALL THAT ASIDE. I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
GOLF COURSES ENTERTAINMENT, IS IT OR ISN'T IT? IT IS.
SO CURRENTLY, WE HAVE 18 HOLES OF A GLADES COURSE, 18-HOLE OF A CHAMPION COURSE.
WE HAVE ENTERTAINMENT, EVERYBODY.
WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND FOR SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION, WHICH HAS ME COMPLETELY BAFFLED, AND FORGIVE ME, SOME OF IT SOUNDS LIKE SOUNDBITES AND POLITICS VERSUS YOU CAN HARMFUL YOU WANT OVER THERE.
THE REALITY IS, IT'S OUR GOLF COURSE.
THE CITY PURCHASED THE GOLF COURSE.
IT IS NOT BEING UTILIZED TO THE FULL CAPACITY IN WHICH IT COULD BE.
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH STUDYING HOW TO MAKE THIS A MORE EFFECTIVE GOLF COURSE? WE DON'T HAVE A DRIVING RANGE.
WE GET CRITICIZED ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE COLONY WEST MAY BE GOOD TO PLAN A CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE, BUT HAS IT NOT HAVE A DRIVING RANGE.
THERE'S ANOTHER GOLF COURSE THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED IT TOO DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVING RANGE.
THERE IS NO DRIVING RANGE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC FOR ALL THE GOLF WE HAVE.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH WANTING TO LOOK AT REVITALIZING, REDEVELOP WHATEVER WORDS YOU DON'T LIKE, TAKE IT OUT.
BUT THIS IS THE FACT, 18 HOLES ON THE GLADES COURSE NEEDS A LITTLE LIFE.
IT IS NOT LIVING RIGHT NOW WHEN ONLY LESS THAN A THIRD OF THE PLAYERS PLAY THERE.
WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THAT THEY HAVE TO PLAY THERE, THEY GO ELSEWHERE.
THAT SHOULD MEAN TO US THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO EXPEND SOME CAPITAL ON IT.
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THE BEST AND WISEST WAY TO EXPEND SOME CITY CAPITAL IS FOR A GOLF COURSE? IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT PUPPET, DON'T HAVE PUPPET, IT WAS JUST A FUN IDEA THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN INVESTIGATED TO SEE IF IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A FEASIBLE ITEM.
PUPPETS ARE NOT ONLY PLAYED AT NIGHT, WE HAVE SATURDAY, WE HAVE SUNDAY'S.
REMEMBER EVERYBODY, WE LIVE IN A VERY WARM CLIMATE, PEOPLE ARE HERE ALL YEAR LONG.
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GOLF IS PLAYED ALL YEAR LONG, SO CAN THAT.I'M NOT HELL BENT ON A PUPPET.
MY COMMENTS ARE, AGAIN, BACK TO SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO TO REVITALIZE, MODERNIZE 18 HOLES OF GOLF COURSE THAT HAS NOT GOTTEN THE TLC THAT IT NEEDS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE FULL FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I'M VERY HAPPY THAT COLONY WEST IS DOING WELL AND BECOMING SELF-SUFFICIENT AND WE'RE ABLE TO PAY BACK DEBT AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO THINGS AND THAT'S HOW WE GROW, AND THAT'S HOW WE GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME HERE, AND THAT'S HOW WE GET PEOPLE TO USE THE HOTEL THAT'S OUR SISTER IN THIS PROJECT AND GET PEOPLE TO WANT TO STAY THERE.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE VISITING THEIR FAMILIES AND THE WIFE DISPLAYING THE 18-HOLE CHAMPIONSHIP GOLF TOURNAMENT THAT WE'VE GOT PREPARED, THE FAMILY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY, CAN GO PLAY A SHORT A HOLE AND GO DO SOME OTHER STUFF AND GO ENJOY SOMETHING ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK YOU'VE HEARD CONSENSUS.
THIS COMMISSION DOES NOT WANT HOUSING, DOESN'T WANT IT.
I'M GOING TO GO INTO [INAUDIBLE].
DON'T WANT IT IN A BOX, DON'T WANT TO, NOTHING.
BUT DO WE KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS GOLF COURSE? DO WE HAVE A WAY TO FIGURE IT OUT? IF WE DON'T, THEN I THINK THE STUDY IS WHAT TELLS US.
BECAUSE ALSO A STUDY INCORPORATES TALKING TO OUR RESIDENTS, SOME OF WHICH ARE HERE, SOME OF WHICH YOU'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL.
AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE FOR AND AGAINST BECAUSE AS NOT POPULAR AS IT IS.
WE STILL HAVE THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE GOLF BALLS IN THE HOUSE.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE THAT PERSON SAY, THIS IS MY GOLF BALL.
I'M SORRY, I GOT INTO YOUR HOUSE, I'LL PAY FOR THE DAMAGE.
THERE ARE SO MANY OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO TELL ME ALL THE TIME THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE.
I BOUGHT FOR MY EX-HUSBAND, GOLF BALLS THAT HAD FORMER PROPERTY OF IN HIS NAME.
SO THIS WAY, WHEN HE WENT UP AND SAID, THAT'S HIS, THEN HE KNOW THAT WAS HIS AND HE APOLOGIZE.
THERE'S A LOT OF FUN TO THEIR FUN GOLF.
ANYHOW, POINT BEING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIGGING IN THE GROUND OF SOME PARTS OF THIS OF NOT IN MY BACKYARD AND NOT GO INVESTIGATE, HOW TO FIX THIS GOLF COURSE IN A WAY THAT'LL BE BEST FOR EVERYBODY.
IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR RESIDENTS SAYING THEY DON'T WANT IT MORE ACTIVATED BECAUSE THEY JUST WANT NOTHING BEHIND THEIR BACKYARDS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT THE PROMISE WE GAVE YOU.
WE'VE PROMISED TO SAVE THE GOLF COURSE AND KEEP IT REVITALIZED.
TO ASK US TO NOT LOOK INTO THAT, I THINK IS A DISSERVICE TO YOURS COMMUNITY JUST AS MUCH AS IT IS TO THE CITY.
YOU LIVE ON A GOLF COURSE, YOU WANT YOUR PROPERTY VALUES TO INCREASE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.
THEN LET US DO OUR JOBS AND LET US LOOK INTO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY IN THE FORM OF A GOLF COURSE.
WE'RE DEALING WITH GOLF STRUCTURE.
I DON T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY MEANT.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY WAS UP IN ARMS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY OUR TITLE DID SAY RESIDENTIAL.
UNFORTUNATELY, OUR TITLE DOES NOT EXPLAIN THAT ENTERTAINMENT IS ALSO GOLF.
UNFORTUNATELY, OUR TITLE HAS RETAIL ON THERE.
THE RETAIL PART OF IT COULD JUST BE, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO TRAVEL OVER TO THE MAIN GOLF COURSES, YOU WANT TO GO GET SOME GOLF BALLS AND A GOLF SHIRT.
YOU BROKE YOUR CLEAT OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY USE CLEATS ANYMORE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF UNINTENTIONAL CONFUSION.
I WON'T SAY HYPOCRISY ON CERTAIN PARTS, JUST CONFUSION.
AND I THINK WE OWE THE CITY, WHICH INCLUDES OUR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE, AND UTILIZE IT, THE SNOW BIRDS IN THE BUSINESSES TO LET COLLIERS DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO INVESTIGATE AND STUDY THE GOLF COURSE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS BETTER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS.
THAT'S MY OPINION. AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU HAVE CONSENSUS AT THIS TIME FOR NO RESIDENTIAL.
BEFORE, I'VE GOT THE CITY MANAGER.
>> MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT CONSENSUS IS TO CHANNEL THE STUDY OR THE EFFORTS OF COLLIERS TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE GOLF COURSE.
>> CORRECT, AND IF YOU WOULD, IF POSSIBLE, I KNOW WE MIGHT HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH NOTICE, BUT WE'RE STILL BETWEEN 48 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING BECAUSE THE MEETING IS AT 7 PM.
>> MAY I SUGGEST SOMETHING MAYOR [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING.
>> THAT'S FINE AND THEN YOU VOTE THEN ON WEDNESDAY.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THIS WAS ONE ITEM IN THE COMMISSION AGENDA, SO WE BIFURCATE.
WE SEPARATE THIS ITEM FROM THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX CONVERSATION AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU AT
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SOME TIME FOR THE GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THE IRRIGATION AND THE GREENS AND THOSE AND THAT AT SOME POINT.>> NOT UNDERSTAND IT, I'M JUST BIFURCATING BUT YOU'RE SAYING TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THE STUDY OF HOW TO REDEVELOP REVITALIZED.
I DON'T KNOW, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT WORD THAT YOU NEED TO BE UTILIZING VERSUS REDEVELOP, WHICH GETS PEOPLE THINKING THAT WE'RE PUTTING APARTMENTS OR CONDOS AND MASSIVE SHOPPING PLAZA ON THE PROPERTY.
THEN, WHAT OTHER WORD DO WE NEED TO USE?
>> THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT, MAYOR, IS THAT, AT THAT POINT, IF OUR SOLE PURPOSE IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE GOLF COURSE AND IMPROVING THE GOLF COURSE, COLLIERS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT DESTINATION FOR THAT.
WE MAY HAVE LOOK AT ELSEWHERE.
>> THEN, ARE YOU PULL ON THE ITEM FROM THE AGENDA? WE'RE PULLING THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS PROPOSAL FOR THE COLONY WEST GLADES GOLF COURSE.
I'M NOT EVEN READING THE REST OF THAT TIME BECAUSE IT MAKES EVERYBODY CRANKY.
WE'RE PULLING THAT FROM THE AGENDA?
>> [APPLAUSE] MAYOR, PROCEDURALLY, MS. MANAGER, YOU WILL USE YOUR AUTHORITY TO PULL IT.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE HIS OWN AGENDA.
>> RIGHT, BUT THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE RIGHT WITHIN 48 HOURS.
HE HAS A RIGHT THE AGENDA IS HIS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES.
>> PROCEDURALLY, TO BE CORRECT, MAYOR BECAUSE HIS OWN THE AGENDA BECOMES A COMMISSION AGENDA, NOT THE CITY MANAGER AGENDA ANYMORE.
>> PROCEDURALLY THIS CONFIRMATION THAT THE COMMISSION DOESN'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU DO IT AT THE COMMISSION AND VOTE THAT DOWN OR REMOVE THE ITEM OR VOTED IT DOWN.
I'M LOOKING AT THE CLERK BECAUSE IT IS COMMISSION AGENDA AT THIS POINT.
IT'S NOT THE CITY MANAGER'S AGENDA.
>> ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO DEFER FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE ALWAYS BEFORE THE MEETING OCCURS, THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE RIGHT TO REMOVE AND DELETE, ALWAYS AND THAT'S WHY AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS SAYS, "CITY MANAGER, IS THERE ANYTHING TO REMOVE OR DELETE?" IT IS NOT YET THE COMMISSION'S.
NO, IT'S NEVER BEEN, [OVERLAPPING] BUT HE HAS THE RIGHT.
>> YOU JUST MADE THE POINT AT THE COMMISSION.
>> MAYOR, CAN I OFFER A SUGGESTION? SO TOGETHER BOTH PROPOSALS ARE CAPSULATED IN TR NUMBER 13972, IT IS ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
I WOULD RECOMMEND ON WEDNESDAY THAT IF THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A GOVERNMENT FACILITY PORTION FOR YOU TO THEN AT THAT MEETING, MAKE THE AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE SECOND PORTION, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT SEPARATED ON THE AGENDA, IT'S ONE PROPOSAL FOR COLLIERS, SORRY.
>> IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO START BIFURCATING THINGS FOR HIM, PLEASE, BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE LET JUST ONE ITEM.
ONE ISSUE PER ITEM. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ABSOLUTELY. IT WAS PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S THE ENGAGEMENT OF COLLIERS UNDER PIGGY-BACK AGREEMENT TO CONDUCT THESE TWO STUDIES.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT TOGETHER, IT'S THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE SAME FIRM, BUT THE AMENDMENT CAN BE MADE ON WEDNESDAY TO REMOVE THAT PORTION.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHO ARE HERE, WHO ARE WATCHING, WHO ARE GOING TO WATCH LATER ON, PLEASE HEAR WHAT IS BEING SAID.
IT REMAINS ON THE AGENDA, AND WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO PROCEDURALLY TO REMOVE IT.
THERE'S NO CONFUSION? EXCELLENT. IT IS 12:27, WE HAVE FINISHED THIS ITEM.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION FOR THIS.
>> YES, THIS IS QUICK. MANY FOLKS THOUGHT THAT SOMETHING WAS BEING DONE AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, TENS OF THOUSANDS WAS GOING TO BE SPENT ON THIS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS ONLY $12,500 ON THE STUDY.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING, PEOPLE THAT ARE QUOTING, PEOPLE THAT ARE POSTING ONLINE, PEOPLE WHO ARE EMAILING, THIS WAS JUST A STUDY FOR $12,500.
>> ALL RIGHT THEN. KEN, YOUR SEAT CAN COOL OFF NOW [LAUGHTER] AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REST OF THE SHOW OR YOU CAN COMPLETELY [OVERLAPPING].
>> MADAM MAYOR, JUST CLARIFICATION.
HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE PROPOSAL TO MOVE CITY HALL TO ANOTHER LOCATION AND THEN BUILD HERE? WAS THE IDEA TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND ASSEMBLE MONEY?
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>> NO, IT WAS TWO SEPARATE SEPARATE ITEMS [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, THESE ARE TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE INDEPENDENT STUDIES.
>> WHICH IS WHY IT WAS DISCUSSED SEPARATELY.
QUICKLY, SEPARATELY YOU HAD BUDGET, IT WAS QUICKLY DONE, A BUDGET BROUGHT FORTH AS SEPARATE ITEMS HERE.
AS MS. CALLOWAY HAD JUST STATED TO US, THE ONLY REASON WHY IT WAS LUMPED TOGETHER IN WEDNESDAY'S MEETING IS THERE WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT OF CONSENSUS THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN, NOT REALIZING THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE TEARING THINGS APART AT WORKSHOP WHICH IS WHY WE DO THESE THINGS.
REALLY, IT WAS JUST A TAG-ALONG, THE ORIGINAL TRANSACTION WITH COLLIERS WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE THE COMPOUND, WHATEVER CITY STRUCTURE VERSUS DEALING WITH THE GOLF COURSE.
NOW WE'RE AT 12:29. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY IF YOU WISH.
THOSE WHO ARE WISHING TO STAY ARE WELCOME, IF NOT BE SAFE GOING HOME.
WE'RE GOING TO NOW MOVE TO THE THIRD ITEM,
[1.c TR13981 - A Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida,approving a purchase and sale agreement between the city of Tamarac and ShakerVillage Condominium Association, Inc., in the amount of one million nine hundredforty thousand dollars ($1,940,000.00) in substantially the same form as exhibit “a”attached hereto; to acquire the old Shaker Village Clubhouse property located onCanterbury Lane, property id # 4941 11 01 0170, as more particularly described in thelegal description attached in Exhibit “A”, pursuant to section 2-316 of the city ofTamarac code of ordinances; directing the City Manager and City Attorney tonegotiate a shared use agreement subject to the approval of the City Commissionwith Shaker Village Condominium Association for the use of a proposed citycommunity center to replace the old Shaker Village Clubhouse; authorizing the CityManager and the City Attorney to take all necessary actions to effectuate thepurchase; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]
WHICH IS 1C TR13981.IT'S THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION, CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, APPROVING A PURCHASE PRICE SALES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,940,000 IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AS EXHIBIT A ATTACHED HERE TOO, TO ACQUIRE THE OLD SHAKER VILLAGE CLUBHOUSE PROPERTY LOCATED ON CANTERBURY LANE, PROPERTY ID 4941-1101-0170, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION ATTACHED TO AN EXHIBIT A. PURSUANT TO 2-316 OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC CODE OF ORDINANCES, DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE SHARED USE AGREEMENT SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF CITY COMMISSION WITH SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION FOR THE USE OF PROPOSED COMMUNITY CENTER TO REPLACE THE OLD SHAKER VILLAGE CLUBHOUSE, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS TO EFFECTUATE THE PURCHASE, PROVIDING SEPARABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THE PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE BY MAXINE CALLOWAY, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND GREG WARNER, OUR PARKS & RECREATION DIRECTOR.
NOW, AFTER THAT MOUTHFUL, WE'VE GOT BOTH OF YOU HERE.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A HARD STOP FOR WHEREVER WE ARE AT ONE O'CLOCK.
>> I THINK 45 MINUTES SHOULD BE ENOUGH.
AT THAT TIME, WE WILL BE RESUMING AT 1:45, SO EVERYBODY'S ON NOTICE WHO'S SITTING HERE, WATCHING, AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. TAKE IT AWAY.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AS YOU JUST STATED, MAXINE CALLOWAY FOR THE RECORD, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
WITH ME IS, GREG. GO AHEAD GREG.
>> GREG WARNER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION.
>> TOGETHER WHILE I'LL DELIVER THE SHAKER VILLAGE CLUBHOUSE AND GREG IS PRIMARILY HERE TO ASSIST WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN ADDITION TO THE SHAKER VILLAGE BUT SPECIFICALLY REGARDING AS WELL THE EAST-SIDE FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH WILL BE MENTIONED AS A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH SOME HISTORY AND BACKGROUND, BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, AND JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS PROJECT MIGHT'VE COME FROM AND THE DISCUSSION SURROUNDING THIS PROJECT.
BUT TO BEGIN WITH, THIS CLUBHOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1973, AROUND '73, 1974.
AT THE TIME IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 3,774 SQUARE FEET AND AS WE KNOW NOW, IT IS FALLEN IN A DILAPIDATED CONDITION ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND THE MAYOR HAS READ INTO THE RECORD, THE FOLIO NUMBER, WHICH IS A SUBJECT OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.
THIS SLIDE IS JUST GIVING YOU SOME AERIAL PHOTOS, WE'VE TAKEN THIS FROM THE BROWARD COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISERS OFFICE JUST SO YOU CAN JUST SEE THE PROGRESSION IN TERMS OF THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DETERIORATION THAT WE SEE NOW, THE EYESORE THAT'S ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
THE FIRST PHOTO IS JANUARY TO MARCH 2015, YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITION WAS OKAY AT THAT TIME AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IT STARTED TO DECLINE IN 2017 AND THEN COMPLETELY DECLINED IN JANUARY AND NOW IN 2023.
>> AGAIN, QUICKLY JUST SOME HISTORY ON WHAT STARTED THE DETERIORATION FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND AROUND IN AUGUST 2017, IS WHEN THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING COLLAPSED AND WHEN THE CITY DECLARED IT AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE AND IT WAS POSTED AS SUCH.
THEN IN 2017, SHAKER VILLAGE ATTEMPTED TO REHABILITATE THE STRUCTURE AND APPLIED FOR A PERMIT, WHICH SOME INSPECTION WAS APPROVED AND THEN THE PERMANENT WAS CLOSED, WE KNOW THAT REALLY NOTHING HAPPENED TO THE STRUCTURE.
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THEN IN 2020, THERE WAS SOME COURTESY NOTICE THAT THE CITY ISSUED RELATIVE TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE.SHAKER VILLAGE ATTEMPTED TO RESPOND AND FILE SOME PERMIT, INCLUDING A PERMIT IN 2020 FOR SOME SHORING PLAN FOR THE BUILDING THAT WAS NEVER ACTED UPON.
IN THIS PROGRESSION, FROM 2017 TO 2020, AND NOW IN 2023, WE HAVE ACCUMULATED A TOTAL OF 43 LIENS ON THE PROPERTY THAT AMOUNTS TO APPROXIMATELY OVER $3 MILLION.
CONTINUING WITH THE BACKGROUND AND BECAUSE OF THE VISIBLE NATURE OF THE BUILDING ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, THE CITY DECIDED TO INSERT ITSELF BACK IN 2019 AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE CONDUCTED MEETINGS WITH SHAKER VILLAGE, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE ASSOCIATION AND WITH THE RESIDENTS, I THINK AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS WELL, AS AT THE LOCATION.
AT THAT TIME IN 2019, THE CITY HAD FOUR OPTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WITH THE RESIDENTS.
THE OPTIONS LISTED ABOVE, WE TALKED ABOUT LONG-TERM LEASE PARTNERSHIP, A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WAS A DISCUSSION, SOME HYBRID PARTNERSHIP, WHICH INCLUDES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE DISCUSSION HAPPENED IN 2019 AND OF COURSE, AS WE KNOW, SHAKER VILLAGE DID NOT MOVE ON ANY OF THOSE.
IN 2020, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WAS DETERMINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A LACK OF LEVEL OF SERVICE, EAST OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE, THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THAT PORTION OF THE CITY IS NOT BEING MET, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH PARK SPACE AVAILABLE.
THE CITY COMMISSIONED A FEASIBILITY STUDY, ISSUED AN RFQ IN 2020 TO CONDUCT THAT STUDY, AND THE SCOPE IN THE STUDY INCLUDED IDENTIFYING AND PRIORITIZING PARK FACILITIES BASED ON CURRENT AND FUTURE ANTICIPATED NEEDS.
IT EVALUATED POTENTIAL SITES FOR FUTURE RECREATION FACILITIES TO INCLUDE BOTH THE CITY AND PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES.
IN 2021, THE CITY ADOPTED THE EAST SIDE PARKS FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THAT STUDY IDENTIFY THE SHAKER VILLAGE CLUBHOUSE PROPERTY AS A VIABLE OPTION TO FACILITATE THE EXPANSION OF THE CITY'S PARK FACILITIES AND TO ADDRESS THE DEFICIENCY THAT WAS FOUND EAST OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE.
IN THAT STUDY ARE THESE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WERE INCLUDED THAT PROPOSE A 5,000 SQUARE-FOOT COMMUNITY CENTER, WITH COVERED PLAYGROUND, SOME MULTIPURPOSE COURTS, PICNIC SHELTERS, OPEN GREEN SPACE, AND SO ON.
THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT STUDY THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
THEN I BEGIN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS STUDY, THE CITY MOVED FORWARD IN SETTING ASIDE IT'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS, CERTAIN FUNDING GEARED TOWARDS ACQUISITION AND DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.
AS FAR BACK AS FISCAL YEAR 2020, THE CITY STARTED PUTTING FUNDS IN THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN YEARS FURTHER OUT WITH THE ACQUISITION PORTION OF $900,000 SCHEDULED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY.
IN FURTHERANCE OF THE CITY'S INTEND TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, WE ALSO SUBMITTED AND APPLIED FOR A CRITICAL FACILITY GRANT BACK IN 2020 THAT ULTIMATELY THE CITY DID NOT RECEIVE.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, THIS SLIDE IS JUST SHOWING THE INTENT OF THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH POSITIONING OURSELVES TO ACQUIRE AND THEN TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE RECEIVED SOME COMMISSION CONSENSUS AND AUTHORIZATION IN 2020 AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, AND THEN IN 2022, WHEN WE PROVIDED A STATUS UPDATE AND THEN MOST RECENTLY IN SEPTEMBER 2022 THAT SUPPORTED THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY.
GOING INTO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT AND THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO, IN ADDITION TO THE BACKGROUND AND THE PREVIOUS SLIDES THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, THE CITY CODE SECTION 2316 ALSO PROVIDES AUTHORITY TO THE CITY TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PARKS AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SEE LISTED THERE.
IN 2021, IN APRIL, THE CITY COMMISSIONED TWO APPRAISAL OF THE PROPERTY DETERMINE THE BEST VALUE FOR THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE IN 2021, THE VALUES CAME IN AT 950,000 FROM MILLER APPRAISER AND THEN 1.4 MILLION FROM GONZALEZ.
THOSE APPRAISAL HAPPENED IN APRIL 2022, AND SO IN 2023, WE UPDATED THOSE APPRAISALS TO HAVE MORE CURRENT VALUE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE MARKET HASN'T CHANGED, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE GONZALEZ APPRAISAL CAME IN AT 2.2 AND THE MILLER APPRAISAL CAME IN AT 1.94.
JUST TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE KEY TERMS OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, WHICH WILL BE BEFORE YOU ON WEDNESDAY IN TR 13981.
THE SALE PRICE FOR THE PROPERTY IS AT THE LOW APPRAISAL VALUE,
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WHICH IS $1.9 MILLION.THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURCHASE OF PARCEL B, WHICH IS ACREAGE AT 2.53 ACRES, WHICH ARE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 110,207.
THE APPRAISAL WE'RE USING IS AT ABOUT $20 PER SQUARE FOOT, THAT AMOUNTED TO 1.9.
THE AGREEMENT INCLUDES A DEPOSIT OF $50,000 WITHIN THREE DAYS AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE, AND THEN A SECOND DEPOSIT OF $50,000 WITHIN THREE DAYS AFTER THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
THE EFFECTIVE DATE AND THE AGREEMENT AND THE ADDENDUM IS DESCRIBED AS THE LAST EXECUTED BY SELLER AND BUYER BUT NO LATER THAN JULY 31ST, 2023.
THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD AS DESCRIBED IN THE AGREEMENT IS 60 DAYS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS PROCEED INTO CLOSING, MEANING THESE THINGS MUST OCCUR BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY.
THE PRIMARY ONE IS THE NEGOTIATION AND THE AGREEMENT OF A SHARED USE AGREEMENT IN TERMS OF HOW SHAKER VILLAGE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE CLUBHOUSE, THAT HAS TO BE DECIDED UPON BEFORE WE ARE ABLE TO GET TO CLOSING AND HAS TO BE APPROVED BY BOTH PARTIES.
PROVIDED WE GET PAST THE CONDITION PRECEDING, THEN CLOSING WOULD OCCUR 30 DAYS FROM THE EXPIRATION OF THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
AS STATED BEFORE, THE CITY ALREADY HAS $900,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET SET ASIDE FOR ACQUISITION.
IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE DO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL 1,040,000 FOR THE ACQUISITION, BUT IN FACT, THIS WERE TO CLOSE BEFORE THE NEW BUDGET IS ADOPTED, INCLUDING IN THE RESOLUTION AS WELL AS THE MEMORANDUM IS A REQUEST TO APPROPRIATE THE ADDITIONAL 1,040,000 THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE TOTAL OF 1.940 TO EFFECTUATE THE CLOSING.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
FORT, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD?
>> NO. JUST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
MY COMMENTS ARE BUSINESS, NOTHING PERSONAL.
I HOPE EVERYBODY WHO IS LISTENING, WATCHING, SITTING HERE, UNDERSTANDS THAT.
IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY IS THE PROPER THING TO DO, AND IT HAS SEVERAL PUBLIC POLICY ITEMS WITHIN IT.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO START WITH A LITTLE BIT, YOU HAD SOME OF THE HISTORY, BUT I'M GOING TO ADD SOME STUFF.
DEVELOPER BUILD SHAKER VILLAGE, IT HAD PHASE 1 IS SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM.
IT EXPECTED TO DO MULTIPLE PARCELS, MULTIPLE CONDOMINIUM UNITS, HAVE PHASE 1, PHASE 2, ETC.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND THE DEVELOPER, LIKE MOST DEVELOPERS, HANG ON TO A RECREATIONAL LEASE ON THE PROPERTY, AND SO THAT WAS A WRECK AREA WHERE THE PARTICULAR PORTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SOUTH PART, IT'S PARCEL B, AND ONE ITEM JUST THERE'S A TYPO IN THE SHARED USE SCRIPT, THAT SEPARATE ADDENDUM, IT HAS AN EXTRA ONE IN IT, SO WE HAVE TO FIX THAT, IF THIS GOES FORWARD.
WHEN THE DEVELOPER IN JULY OF 1975, THEY DID THE PARCELS TO SHAKER VILLAGE RECREATION.
THERE WAS A WRECK LEASE WITH SHAKER VILLAGE RECREATION WITH THE DEVELOPER, SO THEN THAT MERGED INTO THE OWNER OF RECORD BEING SHAKER VILLAGE RECREATION, THEN HAD THAT LEASE, THAT THEN WAS ASSIGNED TO SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM, AT LEASE WAS.
THEN JULY 31, 1979, SHAKER VILLAGE RECREATION, THEY DID THE PARCELS OVER TO SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM.
UNDER THE DOCTRINE OF MERGER, THERE'S NO MORE LEASE, ITS OWNERSHIP.
JUST LIKE IF I'M RENTING THE HOUSE I'M LIVING IN, AND THEN I BUY THAT HOUSE, THE LEASE OF MY LANDLORD GOES AWAY.
I CAN'T BE THE LANDLORD AND THE TENANT AT THE SAME TIME, SO SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM OWNS THE PROPERTY.
SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM IS NOT AN ENTITY IN AND OF ITSELF, IT IS MADE UP OF, PER THE DECLARATION OF COVENANTS, UNIT OWNERS.
UNIT OWNERS OWN FROM WALL TO WALL, AND THE UNDIVIDED INTERESTS IN EVERY COMMON ELEMENTS.
IT SAID, EVEN IN THEIR OWN DECLARATION, PAGE 2, SECTION 2.7, COMMON ELEMENT MEANS, PORTIONS OF THE CONDOMINIUM PROPERTY NOT INCLUDED IN THE APARTMENTS, BECAUSE THEY CALL THEM APARTMENTS IN THIS, IN ADDITION THERE TO ALL OUR ITEMS STATED IN THIS DECLARATION,
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AS WELL AS ITEMS STATED IN THE CONDOMINIUM ACT.TAKING IT OVER TO FLORIDA STATUTES 7181108 EXPRESSLY STATES, COMMON ELEMENTS INCLUDES WITHIN THIS MEETING, THAT CONDOMINIUM PROPERTY WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE UNITS, LIVING QUARTERS, OR APARTMENTS, AS STATED.
PER PAGE 7, SECTION 7 OF THE DECLARATION, FEE TITLE TO EACH CONDO PARCEL, I'M ABBREVIATING CONDOMINIUM.
PARCEL SHELVES INCLUDE BOTH THE CONDO UNIT AND THE UNDIVIDED INTEREST IN THE COMMON ELEMENTS.
SAID UNDIVIDED INTEREST IN THE COMMON ELEMENTS TO BE DEEMED, TO BE CONVEYED OR ENCUMBERED WITH THE RESPECTIVE CONDOMINIUM UNIT, EVEN THOUGH THE DESCRIPTION AND ANY CONVEYANCE MAY REFER ONLY TO FEE TITLE TO ANY CONDO UNIT.
ANY ATTEMPT TO SEPARATE AND OR ACTION TO PARTITION, THE FEE TITLES WITH CONDO UNIT FROM THE UNDIVIDED INTEREST IN THE COMMON ELEMENTS ARE PERTINENT TO, WHICH MEANS BELONGING TO EACH UNIT SHALL BE NULL AND VOID.
THIS IS IN THE SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM DECLARATION, THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY HAS THIS IN THERE.
THE DECLARATION ACTUALLY MIRRORS FLORIDA STATUTES 7181107, CALL RESTRAINT UPON SEPARATION AND PARTITION OF COMMON ELEMENTS.
ONE, THE UNDIVIDED SHARE OF THE COMMON ELEMENTS, WHICH IS A PERTINENT TO A UNIT, SHALL NOT BE SEPARATED FROM IT AND SHALL PASS WITH THE TITLE TO THE UNIT, WHETHER OR NOT SEPARATELY DESCRIBED.
TWO, THE SHARE IN THE COMMON ELEMENTS ARE PERTINENT TO A CONDO UNIT CANNOT BE CONVEYED OR ENCUMBERED, EXCEPT TOGETHER WITH THE UNIT.
THREE, SHARES IN THE COMMON ELEMENTS OF PERTINENT TO UNITS OR UNDIVIDED AND NO ACTION FOR PARTITION TO THE COMMON ELEMENTS SHALL LIE OR OTHERWISE MEAN EXIST.
AGAIN, [NOISE] THIS CLUBHOUSE IS A COMMON ELEMENT THAT BELONGS TO EVERY SINGLE UNIT OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
IT GOES ON TO SAY ON PAGE 7, SECTION 8, THE PERCENTAGE OF OWNERSHIP AND THE COMMON ELEMENTS IS EACH APARTMENT OWNER SHALL ONLY UNDIVIDED INTEREST IN THE COMMON ELEMENTS AS A FRACTION OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APARTMENTS IN THE CONDO.
MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S 358 APARTMENTS.
SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING THIS 360, I THINK THEY WERE TALKING POSSIBLY ABOUT PARCELS, INCLUDING THE CONDOMINIUM PARCEL, AND THE CLUBHOUSE PARCEL, AND THE NORTHERN PART CLOSER TO BAILEY, WHICH HAS ANOTHER POOL, AND THE BUSINESS OFFICE OF 40 MEACHAM, WHERE THAT PARCEL IS NOT CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS FOR THE COMMON DENOMINATOR OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE VOTE.
THEN IT GOES ON TO ASSOCIATIONS CANNOT MATERIALLY ALTER OR SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S IN PAGE 8, ARTICLE 11.2.2 OF THE DECLARATION.
ALTERATION, IMPROVEMENTS OF COMMON ELEMENTS, THERE SHALL BE NO ALTERATION OR FURTHER IMPROVEMENT OF REAL PROPERTY CONSTITUTING THE COMMON ELEMENTS WITHOUT THE PRIOR APPROVAL IN WRITING BY THE OWNERS OF NOT LESS THAN 75% OF THE MEMBERS, THE ASSOCIATION, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED BY THE BYLAWS.
NOW, I'M AWARE THAT THE BYLAWS WERE AMENDED TO ALLOW 50% OF THE BYLAWS TO BE CHANGED BY THE OWNERS, 50% OF THE OWNERS CAN CHANGE THE DECK OR THE BYLAWS.
HOWEVER, IT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED.
IN FLORIDA STATUTES 718113 SAYS THAT IT IS 75% OF ALL OWNERS, IT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE CONTRACTING, 718113 OF SECTION 2.
I KNOW THAT PRIOR COUNCIL FOR THE ASSOCIATION, JUST RECENTLY, PRIOR COUNCIL AUSTRALIAN OTTO PUT IN A MEMO, THAT WAS ALSO AGREED BY [INAUDIBLE].
THEY DISREGARD THE DOCTRINE OF MERGER, WHICH IS A PROBLEM.
THEY SAID THAT THE SHAKER VILLAGE RECREATION OWNS IT, NO, SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM CLEARLY OWNS THE CLUBHOUSE PROPERTY.
IT ALSO SAYS THAT THE BOARD HAS THE POWER UNDER 4.1 OF THE BYLAWS TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
IT SAYS IN THE BYLAWS THAT ACTUALLY THEY CAN'T, THEY HAVE TO, NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH READING AT ALL TO YOU GUYS, IT SAYS SUBJECT TO CERTAIN THINGS, AND IT ALLOWS A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF POWER TO THEM TO DO THINGS, AND NOT ONE OF THEM IS THE AUTHORITY FOR THE BOARD TO SELL THE PROPERTY WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE ASSOCIATION MEMBERS,
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WHICH ARE THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES. IT ALSO THE DEED OR THE MEMO FROM AUSTRALIAN OTTO SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF WELL, IT'S BOUND BY ARTICLE 13 OF THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.NOT TRUE, BECAUSE AGAIN, 11.2.2 SAYS IT GOES BY THE BYLAWS, SO THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POWER FOR THIS TO BE SOLD THROUGH THE BOARD.
THAT'S ONE MAJOR PROBLEM, ONE.
AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY WHO HAS SUPPORTED THIS IDEA, BUT THAT'S WHY WE DO RESEARCH, THAT'S WHY WE COMMUNICATE, THAT'S WHY WE TALK TO PEOPLE, THAT'S WHY WE INVESTIGATE.
I REMAIN DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS CONTRACT WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY PRIOR TO NAILING SOME OF THIS DOWN, THAT WAS REALLY QUITE EASY WHEN THE DOCUMENTS WERE FULLY READ, BECAUSE WE'RE NOW IN A QUANDARY.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THINKING WE'RE DOING VARIOUS THINGS AND THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE STILL THINKING WE'RE GOING TO.
THE APPRAISALS THAT WERE DONE ON THIS PROPERTY AND IF WE LOOK AT THIS, I'VE GOT IT ALL NICELY TAT, IT'S FOR THREE PARCELS NOT JUST ONE.
THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN OUR CONTRACT, BUT THE CONTRACT PRICE IS FOR IF WE WERE DOING ALL THREE PARCELS, ONE MAJOR ISSUE.
SECOND MAJOR ISSUE I HAVE WITH BOTH APPRAISALS.
BOTH APPRAISALS HAVE IT FOR THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
WHERE DO WE HEAR THAT EARLIER TODAY? HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF RESIDENTIAL.
ONE PERSON SAID, HIGHEST BEST USE OF 40 UNITS CONSISTENT, WHAT LOOKS LIKE IS ALREADY THERE, WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT, SO 40 TOWN HOME UNITS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING, WHY THE APPRAISALS WERE NOT SENT OUT TO BE GIVEN WITH THE USE OF MAKING IT CONTINUOUS TO BE THE CURRENT USE THAT IT IS? INSTEAD OF THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF RESIDENTIAL FOR BOTH OF THESE APPRAISAL? YET WE'RE SUPPOSED TO NOW, WITH THE FIDUCIARIES HERE, I CAN AUTHORIZE $1.9 PLUS MILLION BASED ON THESE APPRAISALS.
THESE APPRAISALS DO NOT GIVE ME ANY COMFORT AND I THINK THEY WOULD GET US IN TROUBLE, QUITE HONESTLY, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO RELY ON IT.
THERE WAS ONE PLACE IN THAT SAYS $1,250,000, BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR FOR WHICH PARCEL IT WAS TALKING ABOUT AND AGAIN, IF THAT PARCEL WAS STILL FOR HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR RESIDENTIAL OR NOT.
BUT I CAN'T RELY ON THIS, I DON'T THINK OUR CITY SHOULD BE RELYING ON THESE APPRAISALS.
IF WE ARE, THEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO RELY ON APPRAISALS THAT ARE OF THREE PARCELS, HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR 40 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WHEN THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE BUYING AND WE'RE USING CITY DOLLARS BASED ON, OR LOOK AT OUR APPRAISALS, WE GOT APPRAISALS.
IT'S LIKE OKAY, WE CHECKED THE BOX, BUT DO WE READ THE BOXES THAT WE CHECK? NOT HAPPY WITH THAT.
I SEE THE LOVELY DRAWING OF THIS 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY.
THE CLUBHOUSE WAS 4,023 SQUARE FEET APPROXIMATELY.
WE SAW HOW THERE WAS SOME DECAY.
THE ISSUE THAT CAUSED THIS FINAL PROBLEM WITH THE CLUBHOUSE COMING DOWN, IT WAS AUGUST 26, 2017.
IT WASN'T A HURRICANE, BUT IT WAS SOME STORM, SOME TORNADO STORM TORED IT UP, WHERE THE COMMUNITY DID HAVE INSURANCE CLAIM.
>> IT DID. THE INSURANCE CLAIM WAS MADE.
THE COMMUNITY RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY $397,000.
THEY MAY HAVE RECEIVED FIRST BITE OF 285,000 AND THEN THE NEXT BITE OF 100,000, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS DEDUCTIBLE AND DEPRECIATION VALUE AND CERTAIN THINGS, AND IF IT WAS PART OF THROUGH A HURRICANE, BUT THE COMMUNITY SAID THAT THERE'S A CONTRACT, MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A CONTRACT OUT THERE TO REBUILD THIS CLUBHOUSE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.
HAVE WE CONFIRMED THAT THAT CONTRACT IS EITHER A VOID, BEEN BOUGHT OUT, OR COMPLETED? THE SELLER HAS NO RIGHT TO TRY TO CONTRACT WITH US WHEN THERE'S A PENDING CONTRACT OUT THERE FOR FIXING THE SAME STRUCTURE THAT WE MAY BE BUYING.
I SEE PUZZLE LOOKS ON THE FACES, WHICH MEANS WE HAVEN'T STARTED OR FINISHED OUR REAL DUE DILIGENCE FOR THIS COMMISSION TO BE ASKED TO SIGN A CONTRACT BY JULY 31, 2023, WHICH WE ALL KNOW, THIS COMMISSION IS ON HIATUS BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, EITHER DONE THIS WEEK OR NOT DONE THIS WEEK, BECAUSE THIS COMMISSION ISN'T COMING BACK, CITY STAFF ISN'T COMING BACK TO PUT THIS ON AN AGENDA ITEM,
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BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE WORLD'S MOST BIGGEST EMERGENCY TO THE CITY TO CAUSE HIATUS TO BE CANCELED.IN HERE WE'RE ALSO BEING TOLD THAT WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE THE LIEN.
YOU SAID THERE'S 43 LIENS, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY MILLIONS DOLLARS? HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ON THE CLUBHOUSE?
>> I'M SORRY. WE JUST HAVE IT ALL IN THE COMMON AREAS WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE FOR AND SEE WHICH.
THAT MONEY, THOSE LIENS, THOSE $3 MILLION OF LIENS ARE NOT ON THE CLUBHOUSE, THEY'RE ON INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS PROPERTIES, FOR THEM HAVING CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO FIX, WHETHER IT'S THEIR AC, I CAN READ IT ON THE RECORD IF YOU WANT, BUT I'M TRYING NOT TO GO THERE.
>> THEY'RE ON THE COMMON AREAS, ALL THE COMMON AREAS.
>> WELL, THEN WE HAVE SOME CONFUSION IN THE PAPERWORK, WHICH I'M NOT SURPRISED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
NOW, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ITEM, BUT COME ON, 64 SPINNING WHEEL LANE, 43 SPINNING WHEEL LANE, 12 PLEASANT HILL, 53 CANTERBURY, 2 CANTERBURY, 8 ANN LEE LANE, THESE DON'T SOUND LIKE COMMON AREAS, THEY SOUND LIKE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE COMMON AREAS WHETHER IT BE THEIR PROOF.
>> MAYOR, THERE'S NO AGREEMENT IN WAIVING ANY FINES FOR INDIVIDUAL APARTMENTS.
IT IT'S NOT COMMON AREA, IT WILL NOT BE WAIVED, THERE'S NO AGREEMENT, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE RECORD.
>> THAT'S FINE. UNDERSTOOD, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO SOME OF US THAT UNDERSTOOD IT, IT WOULD BE WAIVING ANY FINES THAT ACCRUED ON THE CLUBHOUSE SUBJECT PROPERTY COMMON AREA.
NOT IF THERE'S A ROOF PROBLEM BETWEEN PLEASANT LANE, CANTERBURY LANE AND ALL THESE OTHER LANES, THAT'S THE ASSOCIATION'S RESPONSIBILITY WITH THE HOMEOWNERS TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE LIENS.
I'M SORRY, IT'S BAD PUBLIC POLICY AND I'M GOING TO THROW IT TO THE CLOSEST DEVELOPMENT THAT WE JUST HAD.
IT'S LIKE SAYING TO WOODLANDS COMMUNITY, WE'RE GOING TO WIPE OUT ALL THE LIENS, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
IF YOU HAVE A LIEN ON YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S A LIEN ON YOUR PROPERTY, CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATIONS YOU HAVE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF BEING BROUGHT UP TO CODE.
BRING YOUR PROPERTIES UP TO CODE, BUT THE CITY OF TAMARAC SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE PAYING FOR THAT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M PRETTY SURE OF SIDE GARDENS, CONCORD VILLAGE, AND NOT EVEN THE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATIONS, WE'VE GOT THE GATES, WE GOT THE ESTATES, WE GOT A BUNCH OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEIR HANDS ON PUBLIC DOLLARS TO HELP WIPE AWAY THEIR LIENS.
WHAT PUBLIC POLICY ARE WE SETTING? WHAT EXAMPLE ARE WE SETTING TO PEOPLE? YES, IT SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT FIRST, BUT I'M HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS IDEA.
ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT SAID, THAT THIS 2.3 ACRES OF PROPERTY WILL GO TO THE BALANCE OF THE 3.6 ACRES AT THE CITY ALLEGEDLY NEEDS TO MAKE US HAVE OUR FULL QUOTA OF HOW MUCH ACREAGE WE NEED FOR THIS 17,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN DISTRICT 1.
DOES THIS INCLUDE CENTRAL PARK OF 7 OR 8 ACRES IN THE STUDY?
>> AFTER THE 7 OR 8 ACRES FROM CENTRAL PARK, YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE SHORT 3.6 ACRES?
>> THEN WE MAY NEED TO FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DO THAT, BECAUSE ALSO WHAT HAPPENS TO WOODLAND? WOODLAND'S THE OTHER COMMUNITY WE'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH.
WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION FOR HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO REVITALIZE THEIR AREA, I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY HAD A CLUBHOUSE ON THEIRS.
THEY ALSO THINK IT'S BAD PUBLIC POLICY TO BE SPENDING FULL DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHICH IS NOW EVEN INFLATED DOLLAR AMOUNT ACCORDING TO THE APPRAISALS.
WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SHAKER VILLAGE, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A PIECE OF THIS TO UTILIZE IN AN AGREEMENT.
WE CAN'T DO THAT AND TO THEN SAY, WE'LL HAVE A LEASE BACK, FOR WHAT AMOUNT? MAGICAL LITTLE $10? HOW FAIR IS THAT? THAT WAS WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME BY SOMEBODY, WE'LL GET A LEASE, WE'LL LEASE IT BACK AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE COMMUNITY PAY AND THEN IT WAS FOR $10.
NO, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. I SPOKE TO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT LIKE I'M AGAINST THE COMMUNITY, I'M NOT, I UNDERSTAND THEY NEED HELP.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THIS COMMUNITY NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ALMOST $400,000 THAT THEY WERE PROVIDED THROUGH THEIR INSURANCE FUNDS,
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THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY ENOUGH TO FIX THEIR CLUBHOUSE.I THINK THEY WERE SHY ABOUT $20,000.
SUBSTANTIALLY ABLE TO FINISH AND FIX THEIR CLUBHOUSE, YET THEY DIDN'T DO IT. WHERE DID THE MONEY GO? MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S PLENTY OF RESONANCE WITHIN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY ASKING THE SAME QUESTION THAT THEY HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED AN ANSWER FOR.
WE CAN BE TOLD THAT THE COMMUNITY IS FOR THIS, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THERE'S PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT FOR THIS EITHER.
THEY DO NOT WANT THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT IS THEIR UNDIVIDED COMMON ELEMENTS TO THEIR DEED, JUST REMOVE FROM THEM.
THEN WE HAVE, I HAVE SOME QUESTION AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT.
IT'S RELEVANT, BUT NOT RELEVANT.
PARCEL C, THERE'S THE SOUTH WHICH IS THE CANAL, IS THEIR PROPERTY.
WHO MAINTAINS THIS CANAL? I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I SEE THE CITY AND IT ALL THE TIME.
IS THE CITY BEING PAID FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS CANAL THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY CANAL? IF THE ANSWER IS NOT, DO WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY? WHOLE OTHER ISSUE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT.
JUST THESE ARE THINGS THAT COME FROM WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DIVE DEEP INTO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, IT'S TRANSPARENT, IT'S UNDERSTOOD, IT'S AGREED UPON IN ITS COMPLETE PICTURE.
I KNOW WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO ONE O'CLOCK AND I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN HEAR MY STOMACH THROUGH THE MIC, I APOLOGIZE.
I HAVE SOME MORE WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED.
WOULD YOU INDULGE ME OR DO YOU WANT TO CALL IT AND I'LL RESUME WHEN I'M DONE.
CONTINUE? IT'S ONE O'CLOCK, FINE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS ONE O'CLOCK, I WILL RESUME THE FLOOR AT 01:45.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE. ENJOY YOUR LUNCH.
>> I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER DANIEL IS OFF MIC.
THANK YOU. [NOISE] BASICALLY, I'LL TRY TO SHORTEN IT, BECAUSE I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SOME STUFF TO SAY TOO.
BUT I JUST WANT TO HIT ON SOME MORE HIGHLIGHTS AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHERE WE GO NEXT.
FOR THE RECORD, I'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS PARK STUDY SINCE THE PARK STUDY WAS DONE AND I THINK I'VE SHARED MY ISSUES WITH IT, BUT FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT MY ISSUES ARE, HARDLY ANYBODY PARTICIPATED AND WHEN I WAS ON THE CALLS WITH PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, IT WAS MORE SURVEYORS, PEOPLE FROM OTHER CITIES, AND ONLY A FEW RESIDENTS.
I'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE AGREED UPON AND I'VE SHARED THIS ON THE RECORD ON SAYING THIS IS OUR VISION GOING FORWARD WHEN WE'VE HARDLY HAD ANYBODY ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE FROM OUR CITY WITH OUR VISION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SHARED USE AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES, OTHER CITIES.
IF WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE MORE COMMON AREAS, SPACE UTILIZED.
THIS MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER YOU HAVE NOW, JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY COMMUNITIES IN DISTRICT 1 HAVE CLUBHOUSES?
>> I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
>> I DIDN'T GIVE YOU THIS INTENTIONALLY, IT WAS IN MY HEAD AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY IN A HOT SEAT, IF YOU'LL FIND OUT.
THEN HOW MANY COMMUNITIES ARE IN DISTRICT 1 AS WELL.
I REMEMBER A TIME WHEN WE TRY TO PROGRAM THESE CLUBHOUSES.
MR. WARNER, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY CLUBHOUSES AND COMMUNITIES ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN OUR ATTEMPT TO PROGRAM COMMUNITY CLUBHOUSES?
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO INTRODUCE PROGRAMMING INTO CLUBHOUSES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, INCLUDING DISTRICT 1, WHICH IS THE CLAIM THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OUT THERE FOR DISTRICT 1, WHICH I PRETTY MUCH BELIEVE THAT DISTRICT 1 HAS GOT A LOT GOING ON IN DISTRICT 1 AND THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF DISTRICT 1, VERSUS 2, VERSUS 3, VERSUS 4.
RIGHT NOW THE PROBLEM BEFORE US IS A COMMUNITY THAT HAS A MASSIVE EYESORE,
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THE RESIDENTS CALLED THE RUINS OF SHAKER VILLAGE, THAT'S THE RESIDENTS OF SHAKER VILLAGE THAT CALL THIS THAT, EVEN OTHERS, I'M SURE CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE.THEIR CLUBHOUSE, THE CLUBHOUSE THAT YOU HAVE HERE, THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S VERY PRETTY OPEN ROOM AND THEN WHAT ELSE IS IN THERE?
>> THIS IS VERY CONCEPTUAL AND WHAT I CAN SAY WITH A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, IF WE [NOISE] HAVE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2-3 ROOMS ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND PROBABLY 2-3 ROOMS ON THE UPPER FLOOR.
WHAT TO BE DETERMINED ON THAT WOULD BE RESONANT INPUT AS TO WHAT THOSE ROOMS ARE AND WHAT THE HUMANITIES IN THAT FACILITY WOULD BE.
WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT PICTURE AS A CONCEPTUAL AS TO WHAT THE BUILDING COULD LOOK LIKE.
>> HOW BIG IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER?
>> COMMUNITY CENTER IS 30,000 SQUARE FOOT.
>> OUR COMMUNITY CENTER. HOW BIG IS OUR REC CENTER?
>> THIS IS CONSIDERABLY SMALLER.
HOW MUCH WILL IT COST YEARLY FOR PROGRAMMING? DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST YEARLY FOR PROGRAMMING?
>> AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPES OF ROOMS, WHETHER WE DECIDE TO, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A FULLY STAFFED BUILDING.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THAT COST.
IF IT WAS A STAFFED BUILDING, YOU ARE PROBABLY LOOKING AT CLOSE TO $100,000 PER YEAR AS AN ESTIMATE, UNSTAFFED AND HAVING STAFF ROTATE THERE DURING CERTAIN HOURS, CONSIDERABLY LESS, BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ACTUAL PROGRAMMING DOLLARS, NOT COUNTING STUFF, MAYBE $20,000.
>> WE'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED ANOTHER COMMUNITY CENTER OUT THIS WAY.
WHY WOULD WE NOT STAFF IT? JUST AS A RHETORICAL QUESTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT AT THIS POINT. THIS COMMUNITY, IT REQUIRES YOU HAVE A CLUBHOUSE AS PART OF THEIR RACK.
HOW DOES IT WORK IF WE'RE PROGRAMMING IT FOR STUFF THAT WE NEED FOR THE CITY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE SAYING THIS NOT VERY LARGE COMMUNITY CENTER IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED BY THEM IN THE SHARE USE AGREEMENT? THAT IS A MUST AND A SHALL, I REALLY SHOULD HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATION PRIOR TO TODAY WITH SOME OF THE LEGALITIES OF IT.
I'LL JUST THROW IT OUT THERE, BECAUSE I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO ANSWER SOME OF THIS.
IN MY OPINION SHOWS THAT THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM.
WHAT ABOUT THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE POOL AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU HAD UP THERE ON THE DRAWING?
>> I THINK THAT WAS AN AMBITIOUS PLAN BY THE FACILITATORS, THE SIDE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL, AND WHAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GO IN THERE.
AGAIN, THE FINAL AMENITIES THAT WE PROVIDE THERE WOULD BE THROUGH COMMUNITY INPUT AS TO WHAT WE END UP WITH THERE.
>> WE'RE GOING THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS, WERE TALKING TO A COMMUNITY THAT THINKS, AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO GET $1.9 MILLION AND 40.
NOT THAT THE 40,000 DOESN'T COUNT, BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES COUNT.
BUT THEY'RE THINKING WITH THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'VE PUT OUT, THEY'RE GETTING BRAND NEW TENNIS COURTS, BRAND NEW REVITALIZED POOL, A CLUBHOUSE AND ALL THIS GOOD STUFF.
YET THE REALITY IS, WE'RE ONLY SERIOUS TO TALKING ABOUT TWO MILLION DOLLARS FOR A CLUBHOUSE AND THAT'S PURCHASE PRICE.
HOW MUCH TO DATE, BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD NUMBERS IN THERE, HAVE WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED TOWARDS THIS POTENTIAL PROJECT?
>> YEAH, WE'VE SAVED MONEY WE HAD IN FY'21,FY'20.
>> WHAT'S CURRENTLY BUDGETED IS $900,000 IN FISCAL YEAR '23 IN THIS BUDGET FOR ACQUISITION.
>> SO ALL THOSE OTHER NUMBERS THAT WE WERE SHOWN, THIS ONE ON THE RECORD, WE DID NOT SAVE THAT MONEY IN OUR ACCOUNT.
>> THEY WERE SCHEDULED OUT FOR FUTURE YEARS,
>> THOSE WERE AS THEY WERE LISTED OUT.
IT STARTED OUT IN FISCAL YEAR, IT WAS THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGETED THAT YEAR FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
EACH YEAR THAT FIGURE INCREASED A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THIS LAST WITH FISCAL YEAR '24 FOR THE CIP, IS THAT SIX MILLION DOLLAR NUMBER, SO THAT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT COST.
>> EVERY YEAR WE'VE BEEN SAVING MONEY FOR THE FY'21-FY'22 TO WHERE WE WILL
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BUDGET TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL $1,040,000. CITY MANAGER?>> MAYOR, WE HAVE $900,000 THIS YEAR, AND THEN AS GREG WAS SAYING THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED IN THE CIP EACH YEAR CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.
THEN WE SEQUENCED IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN-AND-A-HALF MILLION DOLLARS, I BELIEVE IN THE CIP.
>> WE HAVE THE 1.4 FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE ACQUISITION, AS WELL AS THE SIX MILLION DOLLARS FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION
>> SIX MILLION DOLLARS IN THE CURRENT YEAR CIP FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
>> FOR FY'20, WE HAVE $5,497,652 THAT WAS PUT AWAY IN FY'21 SCHEDULED FOR DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT ONLY?
>> MAYOR, I WANT TO CORRECT MYSELF ON THIS WITH THOSE FIGURES.
WHEN WE STARTED BUDGETING IN THE CIP FOR THAT, THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WAS [NOISE] BUDGETED PROBABLY TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE.
THOSE DOLLARS WERE NEVER ACTUALLY BUDGETED, BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT DID KEEP GETTING PUSHED BACK.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S NO MONEY SAVED.
IT WAS NEVER TRULY BUDGETED, IN THE BUDGET, IT WAS IN AND OUT YEAR WHICH IS UNFUNDED, IT'S JUST IDENTIFIED COST.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN PARENTHESES SCHEDULES.
WE BUDGETED IN FISCAL YEAR 2020, IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021, MEANING AN EARLIER YEAR, SO AS YOU KNOW IT, YOUR CIP PROGRAM, IS A YEAR OF YOUR BUDGET THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FUNDED, THE REST IS SCHEDULED OUT.
EACH YEAR WE KEPT PUTTING IT OUT, BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR IS ACQUISITION COSTS OF 900,000.
WHEN WE RECEIVE THE UPDATE AND APPRAISAL, WE WENT AHEAD AND PUT IN THE 1,000,040 FOR FISCAL YEAR '24.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, AS A PART OF THIS ITEM, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN APPROPRIATION OF 1,000,040, MEANING THAT IT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE THIS FISCAL YEAR PROVIDED WE CLOSE THIS YEAR, AND THEN A FUTURE BUDGET AMENDMENT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU TO RECOGNIZE THOSE ONES.
>> WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS ON PAGE 3 OF THE BACKUP, WHEN IT SAYS FY'20, THE AMOUNT I JUST READ SCHEDULED FOR FY'21, THAT NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED?
>> CORRECT, IT WAS PUSHED BACK, THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS IDENTIFIED FOR THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME, BUT IT DID NOT REACH THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
>> THAT ROLLED INTO FY'21, WHICH IS $5,580,100.
>> YES, THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023, BECAUSE REMEMBER, YOUR PROGRAM IS A FIVE-YEAR SCHEDULE.
>> FOR PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION FOR ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING US, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE BEING WATCHED FROM ALL ANGLES.
IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS MONEY IS NOT SITTING IN OUR ACCOUNT, NOT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP RESIDENTS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
THAT MONEY WAS POTENTIALLY EARMARKED, NEVER GOT PUT IN AND ROLLED OVER AND ACTUALLY BUDGETED.
THE ONE FOR FY'22 OF $5,000,693 AND 490, THE REST OF THAT, DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT ONLY SCHEDULED FOR FY'23, THAT'S NOW, ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL 64-26-959 [OVERLAPPING] NOW.
>> THAT'S FOR '24. IN ADDITION TO THE $5.6 MILLION THAT'S HERE, NOW INCLUDING THE 900, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 1,000,040? THE NUMBER IS JUST [OVERLAPPING].
>> MAYOR IF I MAY JUST CLARIFY THE WAY WE DO THE CIP BUDGET IS THAT WE LOOK AT THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
WE HAVE PROJECTS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE NEXT 10 YEARS.
WE ONLY ACTUALLY, PHYSICALLY FUND THE ONES THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS YEAR.
IF THE PROJECT IS SCHEDULED FOR BEYOND THAT CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, IT'S SCHEDULED, BUT IT'S NOT FUNDED UNLESS IT'S GOING TO START IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE $6.4 MILLION IS SCHEDULED FOR FY'24, WHICH WOULD BE FUNDED WHEN THE BUDGET IS APPROVED IN OCTOBER.
THE NUMBERS ARE THERE, BUT THE ACTUAL FUNDING HAPPENS WHEN THE PROJECT IS SCHEDULED TO START.
>> THAT'S THE ONLY DEALING WITH $2 MILLION TO WHICH IS THE PURCHASE PRICE.
WHAT ABOUT THE COST OF BUILDING THIS?
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HOW MUCH IS THE ANTICIPATED COSTS OF BUILDING THIS?>> THE SIX MILLION IS IN YOUR BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR '24.
IT'S IN YOUR CIP FOR FISCAL YEAR '24.
>> IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THIS CLUBHOUSE, NOT DEALING WITH POOL OR TENNIS COURT AT THIS TIME, WILL CAUSE SIX MILLION DOLLARS?
>> THAT'S WHAT SCHEDULED IN YOUR BUDGET [OVERLAPPING]
>> REALLY IT'S $2.6 MILLION OF EXPENDITURE IN THIS YEAR FOR ONE COMMUNITY SHAKER VILLAGE CLUBHOUSE PROJECT COMMUNITY [NOISE].
>> IF WE DEMOLISH IT, AN ADDITIONAL $75,000 FOR DEMOLITION FOR THIS YEAR.
>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE DEMOLITION PART.
YOU WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LEAVE IT ALONE AND LET YOU GO?
AGAIN, WE'RE PAYING FOR SOME STUFF.
IN THE CONTRACT, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC WILL REMOVE ALL LIENS, WHICH CURRENTLY WE HEARD WAS $3 MILLION, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S SUBJECT TO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OF A CLUBHOUSE, SO I HAVE A HIGH PROBLEM WITH THAT.
ON TOP OF WE WILL BE PAYING FOR ANY COUNTY LIENS. HOW MUCH OF THE COUNTY LIENS?
>> WE DIDN'T AGREE TO PAY FOR ANY COUNTY.
>> IS IN THE CONTRACT RIGHT HERE, THE SECOND CONTRACT AMENDMENT.
>> YEAH, BUT I'M UNAWARE OF ANY COUNTY [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WANT PROOF BEFORE I WOULD AGREE TO ANYTHING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A SUBJECT THAT THE CITY WILL TAKE OVER AND THE COUNTY LIENS.
WE SHOULD KNOW BETTER WHEN PUTTING IT IN A CONTRACT THAT WE'RE DOING.
THROUGH OUR CDGB SHIP GRANTS ANY OTHER KIND OF PROGRAM, EVEN WHATEVER PROGRAM GRANTING THING YOU WERE TRYING TO GET, THE CITY WORKING TO GET A GRANTS ON BEHALF OF A PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
WHAT CAN THE CITY DO? CAN THE CITY ESTABLISH A GRANT PROGRAM FOR BIGGER THINGS AND JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEAUTIFICATION PROGRAM? OBVIOUSLY, SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY IS HAVING AN ISSUE.
IT HAS A DILAPIDATED BUILDING THAT STILL HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD WHETHER OR NOT THAT CONTRACT WAS CANCELED OR NOT.
THAT HAS ROADWAY WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE THEIR PLUMBING INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM AND THAT IS WHAT WAS FIRST APPROACHED TO ME WHEN THE CLUBHOUSE HAD ISSUES IN 2017 AND THE CONVERSATION STARTED, IS THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDED SOME HELP.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC CAN'T SPEND MONEY ON PRIVATE ROADS TO HELP WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NOT BELONGING TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
THE GAME PLAN WAS AN ATTEMPT, I GUESS, TO SEE IF WE CAN BUY CERTAIN THINGS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY SOME MONEY SO WE COULD FIX THEIR PROBLEM.
BUT IT HAS RECEIVED MONEY THAT IT IS NOT UTILIZED WISELY OR UTILIZED WISELY, WE DON T KNOW ABOUT IT.
STILL KEEPING THESE OTHER ITEMS, LIKE A MAJOR EYESORE OF THE RUINS OF SHAKER VILLAGE UP WHEN THE MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DIRECTLY EARMARKED FOR THAT.
WHAT CAN THE CITY TRY TO DO TO HELP? CAN WE PUT OUT A LOAN PROGRAM? CAN WE HAVE A REDUCED INTEREST FEE? THREE-YEAR, FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM FOR PAYBACK, OPEN IT UP THEN, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE WE HAVE RESIDENTS THROUGH OTHER COMMUNITIES, I'M NOT GOING TO LIST THEM OUT TO MAKE THEM THINK THAT THEY HAVE PROBLEMS, BUT WE ALL KNOW WHICH COMMUNITIES MIGHT HAVE THEIR OWN ISSUES.
I KNOW ONE PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, CONDOMINIUM COMMUNITY IS HAVING TROUBLE WHEN BUILDINGS HAVING MASSIVE TROUBLE WITH THEIR ROOF, MAYBE THEY WOULD WANT SOME ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY.
THERE'S PLENTY OF AREAS WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEED HELP.
WHY IS IT MAKE IT OKAY FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC TO SPEND THIS MUCH MONEY, $2.6 MILLION EXCLUSIVE OF IF WE HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THAT BUILDING, EXCLUSIVE OF $100,000 A YEAR FOR A PROGRAMMING, EXCLUSIVE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE DOING ANYTHING ELSE, LIKE TENNIS COURTS, AND POOLS, AND BASKETBALL COURTS, THINGS THAT WE DON'T GET READY HAVE.
HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THAT TO THE REST OF OUR CITY? DO WE HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN DO? IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME NOW, TELL ME YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT OR TELL ME IT CAN'T BE DONE.
I'M NOT EXPECTING A 100% PURE ANSWER FROM YOU ON THAT.
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>> HERE OUR ORIGINAL MOTIVATION FOR THIS IS TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE EASTSIDE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND PROVIDE THE FACILITIES AND SERVICES TO OUR EASTSIDE RESIDENTS AND SO THAT'S OUR ORIGINAL MOTIVATION.
ALL THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY ARE THE SIDE ELEMENTS IN POTENTIAL BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT OUR MOTIVATION IN PURSUING THIS IS ACTUALLY TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE.
>> I HEAR YOU. I DON'T FOLLOW IT, BECAUSE THIS PROBLEM STARTED IN 2017.
THE STUDY WAS ONLY STARTED DUE TO CERTAIN PRESSURES IN 2020 THAT WENT THROUGH TO 2021 AND CAME OUT WITH A STUDY THAT I THINK IF WE ACTUALLY CONDUCTED A REVISED STUDY TODAY WOULD NOT GIVE US THE ANSWERS THAT I WANTED OR THAT WERE GIVEN TO US TO ACCEPT, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DIRECTION AND SOMETIMES I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE A LITTLE BIT UPSET.
STUDIES WILL TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR, SURVEYS WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW.
I'M NOT GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THAT.
IT'S NOT FOR THE LACK OF INTENT TO BE PURE ON SOME OF IT, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT ROLLS.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE BOUND BY THAT STUDY, THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER THAT'S POOR PUBLIC POLICY.
WHEN IT WAS TOLD TO US, IT WAS A MUCH SMALLER SCALE, IT WAS MUCH SMALLER FINANCIAL DOLLARS, MUCH EASIER TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS IN A CERTAIN MECHANISM.
THIS HAS EXPLODED TO A MUCH HIGHER AMOUNT, WHICH MAKES IT TOO HARD TO JUSTIFY ON PUBLIC POLICY THAT THIS SHOULD BE WHAT IS DONE WITHOUT HAVING IT BEING FAIR AND EQUITABLE ACROSS OUR CITY, AND THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR PLANS TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE, AT THIS TIME.
THIS PLACE HAS LOOKED AWFUL FOR A LONG TIME.
WHY ARE WE RUSHING TO DO THIS BY JULY 31ST? WHAT IS THE REASON BEING? WE'VE BEEN BUDGETING MONEY AS IF WE WERE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH IT RIGHT NOW? CITY ATTORNEY, WITH WHAT I'VE SHARED ABOUT THE INABILITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY CONTRACT AND THE CONFLICTS IN LEGAL READING.
THE FACT THAT PUBLIC POLICY WISE WE HAVE SOME ISSUES AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
DO YOU STILL FEEL THIS IS A WISE CONTRACT FOR YOUR CLIENT TO BE EXECUTING?
>> MAYOR, FIRST OF ALL, ABSOLUTELY.
>> IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. WHEN I FIRST CAME BACK, PHARMACY MANAGER CAITLIN [INAUDIBLE] BASICALLY INDICATED THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WAS ON THE DOCKET.
EVENTUALLY CITY MANAGER [NOISE] EVENT ALSO INDICATED THAT TO ME.
THE FIRST ISSUE I HAD TO ADDRESS IS WHETHER A CITY OBVIOUSLY COULD PURCHASE THE PROPERTY VOLUNTARILY FROM THE CONDO ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THERE WAS DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ABOUT EMINENT DOMAIN.
FROM MY EXPERIENCE HAVING BEEN IN SIX EMINENT DOMAIN CASES, THESE EMINENT DOMAIN ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
GENERALLY, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN TWO OR THREE ACQUISITION HERE IN TAMARAC ALREADY.
GENERALLY, WE DON'T ACTUALLY TITLE REPORT PRIOR TO CONTRACT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE OWNERSHIP ISSUE IN THIS MATTER, I REQUESTED A TITLE REPORT, TO DETERMINE FIRST WHO IS THE ACTUAL OWNER AND OBVIOUSLY THE CONDO ASSOCIATION IS THE ACTUAL OWNER.
SECOND, THE ATTORNEY FOR [INAUDIBLE] BOTH ATTORNEYS, ONE IS BOARD-CERTIFIED CONDO ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY, I SAY, "LOOK, I GOT ONE QUESTION TO YOU, ONE SIMPLE QUESTION.
CAN THE ASSOCIATIONS SELL A PROPERTY WITHOUT A UNIT ON A VOTE?" YES, YOU PUT IT IN RIGHT, UNDISPUTED.
THEN OBVIOUSLY, THE ASSOCIATION DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED A NEW ATTORNEY, THEY HIRE [INAUDIBLE], QUICK IMMINENT CONDO ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY STATEWIDE, SO THE BEST CONDO ASSOCIATION TURN YOU WILL EVER SEE.
JOSE BALERO, THE NEW ATTORNEY, HEY, MAN, I HAD ASKED HIM THE SAME QUESTION, CAN ASSOCIATION SELL THE CLUBHOUSE PROPERTY ON A VOTE, HE SAID, YES.
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IN FACT, HE INDICATED CLEARLY BY SUBMITTING A NEW SECOND ADDENDUM TO ME THAT HE'S BEEN AUTHORIZED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY.HIS CLIENT AS A WILLING SELLER AND OBVIOUSLY BASED ON WHAT MS. CALLOWAY PRESENTED, THE HISTORY OF THE INTERESTS OF THIS CITY COMMISSION, PREVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION, THAT THERE WAS AN INTEREST TO BUY IT.
MY JOB, JUST LIKE THE CITY, WE IMPLEMENT, WE IMPLEMENT POLICY, AND EVENTUALLY IT CAN BE FOR YOU AS BEST AS A PRODUCT WE CAN PUT BEFORE YOU AND LET YOU VOTE.
I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT FROM THE WORK AND DUE DILIGENCE, WE VIEWING ALL HIGHER OPINIONS, EMAILS AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAD DEALT WITH BUYING A CONDO ASSOCIATION PROPERTY.
FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THEY HAVE NOT JUST ONE, TWO CONDO ATTORNEY SAY, LOOK, YOU GUYS COULD SELL IT FROM MY STANDPOINT.
IN FACT, AT CLOSING, ANYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH A TRANSACTION WHERE YOU HAVE A CORPORATE ENTITY OR NON-PROFIT, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A CORPORATE RESOLUTION SIGNED BY PRESIDENT OF THE BOARDS, AND LOOK, WE CAN SELL THIS PROPERTY SO CLOSE AND THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A NECESSARILY PROOF TO CLOSE.
YOU HAVE TWO ATTORNEYS, ONE CURRENTLY, SAY YES, THEY CAN SELL THE PROPERTY.
WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, PROBABLY IF THEY HAD ADVISED ME OTHERWISE.
ONLY THE ADVICE THEY GAVE ME, OH, SO DOUBLE-CHECK MYSELF.
THAT'S WHY I DID THE PRELIMINARY TITLE REPORT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOUR ATTORNEY, WHO SPECIALIZE IN REAL ESTATE, WE BOTH DISCUSS THIS MATTER AND THE CONDO ASSOCIATION ON THE PROPERTY AND MAKE A SOLID SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IS WHERE DID THIS CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO BUY IT OR NOT? I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT IN MY OPINION.
>> WELL, EVEN YOUR AUSTRALIAN AUTO CHARLES [INAUDIBLE], OF COURSE, THE FOREGOING IS JUST A LEGAL OPINION, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN SEE IT'S SUPPORTED BY LANGUAGE OF THE DOCUMENTS.
I WOULD CERTAINLY INVITE YOUR TEAM TO ENTITLE INSURANCE TO REVIEW THIS AND DETERMINE.
YOU KEEP SAYING IS SUBSTITUTE CONDO ASSOCIATION, IT'S A CONDO ASSOCIATION PROPERTY.
THEREFORE, YOU'RE EVEN EMITTING AND AGREEING WITH ME IT'S ASSOCIATION PROPERTY.
IF IT'S CONDO ASSOCIATION PROPERTY, I READ TO YOU ALL THE STATUTES, I READ TO YOU ALL THE DECLARATION PAGES.
HOW DOES THAT GIVE THE BOARD THE AUTHORITY?
>> MAYOR, IF YOU HAVE A LEGAL WRITTEN OPINION FROM ANY OTHER ATTORNEY, YOU WANT TO WRITE ONE.
>> I'M GIVING YOU MY VERBAL LEGAL OPINIONS RIGHT NOW.
>> MAYOR, THESE TWO ATTORNEYS, I DON'T PUT MYSELF IN THEIR SHOE.
THEY REPRESENT CLIENTS AND THEY HAVE TO GIVE A CLIENT A LEGAL OPINION THAT THE CLIENT IS COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.
BOTH OF THIS ATTORNEYS TRYING TO GIVE THE CLIENT THE LEGAL OPINION, AND THEY OBVIOUSLY CONVEY IT TO ME.
NEVERTHELESS, I DOUBLE-CHECK, TO ENSURE THAT THE LEGAL OPINION IS CORRECT.
BASED ON THE TITLE REPORT, BASED ON MY OWN RESEARCH AND IT CONFIRMED.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THEY BEING ADVISED A BOARD THAT THEY HAD AUTHORITY TO SELL IT WITH OUT, YOU WILL OWNER CONSENT.
>> WELL, I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY.
>> YOU DISAGREE WITH[OVERLAPPING]
>> I DISAGREE WITH THEIR LEGAL OPINION AND ACTUALLY THE LEGAL OPINION OF THE UNDERWRITER THAT ACTUALLY DIDN'T JUST DO A TITLE REPORT, WHICH IS JUST TO SEE THE CHAIN OF TITLE ON SOMETHING ACTUALLY WAS DAWDLING INTO THE DECLARATION.
THE FACT THAT THE OWNERSHIP AND THE ACTUAL OWNERSHIP WENT INTO DEEPER DIVE SAYS THAT IT IS UP TO EVERY SINGLE UNIT OWNER FOR THEM TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
THE EMINENT DOMAIN, THIS DOESN'T CARRY A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH MY OPINION.
THIS PART OF IT DOESN'T CARRY A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH WEIGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT PURCHASING THIS 2.5 ACRES, IT'S NICK THICK AND ENOUGH FOR THIS CITY IN ORDER TO TAKE IT BY EMINENT DOMAIN.
IT WOULD BE A FINANCIALLY MORE UNWISE TRANSACTION IF WE SHOULD DO IT BY EMINENT DOMAIN.
YOU'RE THEN TELLING PEOPLE IT'S DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
IT'S A PARCEL, IT'S A VACANT PARCEL, IT'S ONE TRANSACTION, ONE OWNER, ONE BUSINESS, ONE PARCEL.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT HAS AN OWNERSHIP INTERESTS IN THIS UNDIVIDED SHARES OF A COMMON ELEMENT.
THEREFORE TO SHUT OUT THE INTERESTS OF THESE 358 PEOPLE AND SAY THAT A BOARD OF FIVE WITH A MAJORITY OF THREE CAN
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DETERMINE WHETHER THEIR REAL PROPERTY CAN BE REMOVED BY A BOARD OF FIVE VOTING ON BY THREE IS LEGALLY ALLOWABLE.THE DECLARATION DOESN'T ALLOW IT.
THE FLORIDA STATUTES DON'T ALLOW IT.
HOW IT CAN BE NARROWLY FOCUSED AS IF IT DOES, IS NOT TAKING THE OTHER ASPECTS INTO CONSIDERATION.
THIS COMMISSION, I'M PUTTING THEM ON NOTICE THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM.
NOT JUST SAYING IT AS A PERSON WHO'S BEEN IN THIS FIELD, BUT SAYING IT WHO'S MET WITH SEVERAL OTHER ATTORNEYS, ONE WHO ALSO USED TO REPRESENT THIS COMMUNITY AND ALSO FEELS THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE.
I THINK WE ARE UNFORTUNATELY, I'M SORRY.
BUT I THINK ON THIS ONE, WE'RE BEING GIVEN BAD LEGAL ADVICE JUST BECAUSE WE CAN PROBABLY GET OUT OF IT.
HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST US TO PROBABLY GET IT OUT?
>> MAYOR, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
A MATTER HAS BEEN RESEARCH HAND IN FOR A LONG TIME.
YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH POLICY DECISION.
BUT AGAIN, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT LEGAL OPINION I'M GIVING IS CORRECT.
>> AS I SAID, I JUST DISAGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR LEGAL OPINION ON THIS, BECAUSE HENCE OPINION AND I PRETTY MUCH BELIEVE I'VE GIVEN THE LEGAL STRUCTURE BACK SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY'S OWN DOCUMENTATION.
WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THIS, ON THE BOARD MAY HAVE SAID THREE OUT OF FIVE MAY HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANT THIS OR FOUR OUT OF FIVE MAY HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANT IT.
THE COMMUNITY IS NOT 100% FOR THIS.
I TOO DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE CONTRACTING AWAY RESIDENTS RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY GOING BY STATUTE, WE'D LOVE TO QUOTE THE STATUTES WHICH ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE CONDOMINIUM DOCUMENTS, 75% OF THESE HOMEOWNERS HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS PRIOR TO ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE PLAUSIBLE TO GET THAT DONE BY JULY 31ST. WE'VE GOT THREE WEEKS.
I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE TITLE COMPANY BEING IN SUNNY ISLES.
I'M SURE SHE'S A WONDERFUL ATTORNEY. SHE'S IN MIAMI.
ANYBODY WHO DOES CLOSINGS KNOWS THAT IT'S USUALLY IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THE COUNTY IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
JUST BECAUSE TODAY'S DAY AND AGE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THINGS A LOT BY MAIL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THIS SHOULD GO FORWARD, 358 UNIT OWNERS THAT NEED A PLACE TO GO NOTARIZED, AND HAVE SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN TALK TO.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER ON THE TRANSACTION AND MORE EXPENSIVE ON THE TRANSACTION IF WE'RE HAVING IT DOWN IN MIAMI.
PLUS, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL FEES ARE GOING TO BE FROM THIS ATTORNEY, BECAUSE WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE TITLE COMPANY ON HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO BE CHARGED.
BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOOK IT UP AND I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED IT UP, ON HOW MUCH MONEY HER COMPANY WILL MAKE ON TITLE SERVICES ON THIS TRANSACTION.
I'M SURE SHE'S NOT GOING TO DO FOR FREE.
BUT THERE'S A MANNER, THERE'S AN AMOUNT THAT IS PRESCRIBED BY LAW, IT'S A PROMULGATED RATE.
OUR COMPANY WILL GET 70%, THE UNDERWRITER WILL GET 30% OF THAT PROMULGATED RATE.
HOW MUCH CITY ATTORNEY WILL WE BE CHARGED FOR YOUR TIME ON REVIEWING ALL OF THIS? AND WHEN IS SHE FINE THAT WE HAVE TO NOW REVIEW 358 TITLES, WITHIN THE 60 DAY DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD OR ARE WE GOING TO WIND UP EXTENDING AND EXTENDING?
>> MAYOR, WE WILL NOT REVIEW 358 TITLES.
>> AND IF MISS LEVINE SAYS THAT YOU NEED TO?
>> ALSO JOHN HENRY AND FIRM WAS BASED IN MIAMI, AND HE HANDLED REAL ESTATE CLOSING FOR TAMARAC.
HIS FIRM WAS BASED IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.
>> YES. BUT HIS FIRM HAS OFFICES IN BROWARD COUNTY.
>> NO. IN FACT THE ATTORNEY THAT I DEALT WITH TO DEAL WITH A CLOSING MATTER THAT WE TOOK OVER WAS IN [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S PALM BEACH NOW.
>> THEY MAY HAVE HAD THAT FOR THAT INCIDENT, BUT WHAT I KNOW THERE'S A BROWARD COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND ALSO OUR FORMER CITY ATTORNEY WOULD HAVE THE ACCESS TO HAVING THE OFFICE HERE IN CITY HALL.
AGAIN, NOT APPLES AND APPLES, SO LET'S NOT BRING SOMETHING ELSE.
>> ALL I'M TELLING YOU, I HAVE HANDLED HUNDRED MILLION PLUS REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.
THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IF THERE'S POLICY ARGUMENTS, FINE.
BUT WITH RESPECT TO PRESENT IT AS A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION MANAGER, MS. CALLOWAY, WE DID OUR JOB.
WE PRESENTED, WE OBVIOUSLY ENSURE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THAT WITH THE CRITICAL ISSUES WHICH YOU BRING IT UP, AND WHICH THE ASSOCIATION DO YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO SELL IT? AND NOT JUST ONE, BUT TWO ATTORNEYS WHO REPRESENT THIS.
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I DON'T REPRESENT THE ASSOCIATION.ASSOCIATIONS SAY, LOOK ATTORNEY NUMBER 1, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE WILL HIRE A PREEMINENT LAW FIRM, WHO GAVE THE SAME OPINION.
>> I SPOKE WITH JOSE AND HIS OPINION WAS, THAT HE READ THE OTHER PERSON'S OPINION AND THEN REMOVE IT.
LET'S NOT BRING THEM IN RIGHT NOW.
>> THAT MEANS SHE AGREE WITH THE FIRST OPINION.
>> RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT WAS ALSO TWO WEEKS AGO.
I THINK IF YOU WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE CONTRACT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY NOW, I DON'T KNOW.
>> I DON'T THINK BECKER & POLIAKOFF WOULD PUT THEMSELVES IN THAT POSITION.
>> I THINK POLIAKOFF IS ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE QUITE HONESTLY AT THIS ONE.
THIS IS JUST NOT ONE OF THE BETTER ONES TO BE.
WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL LEGAL DISPUTE, THERE'S A FOLLOWING OF LAW, THIS OPINION FOLLOWING LAW, THEN MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE OUT OF NOT YOU, NOT THEM FIGURING OUT THE ACTUAL LEGAL OPINION ON THIS.
BECAUSE AGAIN WE'RE TIP TOEING AROUND A LINE THAT CAN REALLY GET THE CITY IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.
NOW I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING OR ASK A QUESTION AND I ASK THE QUESTION, AND IT IS NOT A PERSONAL ITEM, BUT IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING THIS UP.
AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOT HEARD WHERE THE $2 MILLION GOES.
DOES IT GO INDIVIDUALLY TO THE HOMEOWNERS, BECAUSE AS CLEARLY STATED IF THIS SHOULD GO FORWARD, THE CLUBHOUSE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE RESIDENTS.
THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT RESIDENTS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I DON'T BELIEVE PUBLIC POLICY, WE CAN TELL THE ASSOCIATION HOW TO DISPERSE THAT MONEY.
THE MONEY CAN BE DISPERSED ACCORDING TO THE ASSOCIATION INDIVIDUALLY, WHICH IF YOU DO THE NUMBERS AT $1.9 MILLION AND I DID IT AT 360, JUST ROUNDING IT OFF IT WAS $5,550.
EACH HOMEOWNER COULD BE RECEIVING $5,550.
THAT'S FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO DISAGREE WITH OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET THERE OWN MONEY FOR THEIR PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT'S THEIR REAL ESTATE.
UNDIVIDED INTEREST IN THEIR PROPERTY, OR IS IT GOING TO GO TO THE ASSOCIATION, WHICH IT SHOULD GO TO THE ASSOCIATION TO PAY FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE ASSOCIATION NEEDS, SUCH AS FIXING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEIR ROADWAY? THAT WOULD THEN MEAN THE UNIT OWNERS NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY CLUBHOUSE ASSESSMENTS, UNLESS WE FIGURE OUT A REAL CONTRACT FOR THEM TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY, NOT THIS SHARED USE AGREEMENT AT $10, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T WORK, OR IT CAN GO TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT PAYING THEIR ASSESSMENTS ANYMORE.
THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS THAT THEY WOULD NEED, TO HAVE TO FIX THEIR ROADWAY AND THEIR WATER.
WHICH MEANS A PERSONAL BENEFIT TO EACH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A PERSON ON THE COMMISSION, WHO OWNS A HOME IN THERE THROUGH HIS COMPANY.
THERE WOULD BE A PERSONAL BENEFIT.
IN GENERAL, WHEN THERE'S A NON-TANGIBLE PERSONAL BENEFIT, IT HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM FOR ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER OR VOTE ON THE MATTER.
BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THERE'S AN ISSUE OR AN APPEARANCE OF AN ISSUE THAT THERE'S TANGIBLE BENEFIT OF MONEY INTO A PERSON ON THE COMMISSIONS MAKING COMMENTS WOULD MAKE COMMENTS, WERE VOTING UPON IT.
CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU THINK THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM? THEN THE OTHER THING I'M GOING TO BRING UP ON THIS ONE IS, EVEN IF IN GENERAL IS NOT A PROBLEM, HOW DOES THE APPEARANCE OF THE PERSON NEGOTIATING THE TERMS WITH THE COMMUNITY EFFECT THAT APPEARANCE OF POTENTIAL IMPROPRIETY ON VOTING AND SPEAKING ON THIS MATTER?
>> MAYOR, BASED ON UNLIMITED FACTS THAT I KNOW.
NO MEMORY OF THE CITY COMMISSION HAS ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THIS MATTER.
JUST LIKE YOU LIVE IN WOODLANDS, SOME RESIDENTS CLAIM YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
BUT WHEN THE LAW IS PRETTY CLEAR, WHEN THE BENEFIT ISN'T GEL TO THE COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH ELECTED OFFICIALS MAY LIVE IN THERE, THERE'S NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST UNDER THE LAW.
I HAVE FOUND NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, IN TERMS OF WHAT ASSOCIATION DOES WITH THE SALE PROCEEDS IF THIS IS APPROVED.
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I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN [INAUDIBLE] TRANSACTION IN TAMARAC.I DON'T DICTATE OR THE STATE DOESN'T DICTATE WHAT THE SELLER DOES WITH THE FUNDS.
WE JUST HAD A RECENT CLOSING, IN FACT IT WAS A CLOSING THAT A SELLER TERMINATED THEIR ATTORNEY AND TRYING TO BAIT US, TO THINK HE'S NOT GOING TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO CITY OF TAMARAC.
I SAID, LOOK THAT'S HIS PROBLEM.
WE HAVE A BINDING CONTRACT AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE OUR POSITION IS IN COURT.
THAT SELLER EVENTUALLY CAME AND HONORED AND SAID, OKAY CITY, WE'RE GOING TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T GET INVOLVED IN A SELLER ISSUES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DO WITH THE PROCEED.
WHAT IS THE INTERNAL WORKINGS? THAT'S NOT OUR JOB, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT THE SELLER TO GET INVOLVED IN OUR INTERNAL ISSUES.
>> HOW MANY SALES OR PURCHASES OF RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY PROPERTIES HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED WITH?
>> NO, NOT A REGULAR BUYER, SELLER. I'LL REPHRASE.
HOW MANY AS A CITY ATTORNEY HAVE YOU REPRESENTED CITIES PURCHASING, ESTABLISH RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY PROPERTY?
>> IT'S MOSTLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
ONE CONTINENTAL PROPERTY THAT I WAS INVOLVED BECAUSE WE NEED A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON MY CONDO TO BUILD A BRIDGE.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE CONDO TRANSACTION.
[OVERLAPPING] IN FACT ONE, TWO AND ONE WAS AIMING DOMAIN.
>> IN THAT PROPERTY THAT YOU PURCHASED, THEIR ASSOCIATION DOCUMENTS DETERMINED WHO SOLD THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? HOW MANY UNIT OWNERS WERE ATTACHED TO THAT?
>> I DID NOT READ THE ASSOCIATION DOCUMENT, MAYOR.
BASICALLY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN COUNSEL WHO GAVE THEM THE OPINION THAT THEY COULD SELL THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A UNIT INVOLVED.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE CITY AT THAT TIME?
>> I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT STEPS ON THAT ONE.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE WOODLANDS, AND IN COMPARISON TO THE WOODLANDS.
THE PROPERTY BEING PURCHASED IN THE WOODLANDS WAS NOT MY PERSONAL PROPERTY.
IT WAS NOT MY NEIGHBOR'S PERSONAL PROPERTY.
IT WAS ONE OWNER OF PROPERTY THAT RAN OR RUNS THROUGH THE COMMUNITY CALLED THE WOODLANDS.
THERE WAS NO MONETARY DOLLARS COMING BACK TO ANY OF THE RESONANCE OF THE WOODLANDS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY BELONGS TO CLUBLINK.
AS YOU KEEP SAYING, SHAKER VILLAGE ASSOCIATION IS THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
IN PAGE ONE OF THE DECLARATION DEFINITIONS, APARTMENT MEANS CONDOMINIUM PROPERTY WHICH IS SUBJECT TO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.
THE WORD UNIT USED HEREIN IS SYNONYMOUS WHO OUR TOWN HOME IS SYNONYMOUS.
INTERCHANGEABLY APARTMENT OWNER MEANS THE OWNER OF CONDOMINIUM PARCEL OR JUNIOR OWNER AND TOWN HOME ARE SYNONYMOUS WITH THE WORD DEPARTMENT 2.3 ASSOCIATION MEANS SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATIONS.
ITS MEMBERSHIP IS MADE UP OF THE UNITS IN THE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
THEREFORE, WE ARE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CITY OF TAMARAC POTENTIALLY BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY A PERSON SITTING ON THE COMMISSION.
HOW WE CAN SAY THAT IS NOT RELEVANT EVEN THOUGH IT'S UNDER HIS BUSINESS NAME, WE SEE HE'S THE OWNER OF HIS BUSINESS.
HOW WE CAN SAY THAT IS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS IS BEYOND ME.
IT ALSO DOESN'T PASS THE SNIFF TEST.
HE'S ALSO BEEN INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATIONS OF THIS.
IT CREATES SOME COMMISSION ETHICAL ISSUES.
CITY ATTORNEY IF YOU WOULD, YOU CALL THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE ASSOCIATION, THE NEW ONE WITH TWO COMMISSIONERS ON THE LINE LAST WEEK.
WHO WERE THE TWO COMMISSIONERS ARE ON THE LINE WITH YOU?
>> THAT'S NOT CORRECT. I'VE NEVER CALLED NEW ATTORNEY WITH COMMISSIONERS ONLINE.
I HAVE NEVER PARTICIPATED IN ANY TELEPHONE CALL WITH TWO COMMISSIONERS IF I WILL PUT MY HAND ON A QUR'AN, THE BIBLE, OR THE QUR'AN. I HAVE NEVER DONE IT.
>> OKAY. WE'LL GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT ONE.
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I THINK I WILL BRING IT UP.I SEE THAT ALVIN HAS WANTED TO SPEAK FOR A WHILE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE AND INDULGENCE.
AGAIN IT'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE TO WANT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY.
HOWEVER, WHEN DIGGING IN DEEPER AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THROUGH ALL THAT WE HAVE NOW LEARNED.
I THINK THE APPRAISED VALUE MAY BE RIGHT FOR THEIR PROCESS, BUT NOT PROPERLY UTILIZED FOR US TO GIVE A PURCHASE PRICE IN THE RESPECT THAT $1.9 IS FOR A FULL HIGHEST VALUE USE.
WE'RE NOT BUYING IT A FULL HIGHEST VALUE USE.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND ITS RESIDENTS AND THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES SHOULD NOT BE PURCHASING IT AT THAT HIGHEST AND BEST USE, WHICH IS ALSO THREE PROPERTIES TOTAL.
I THINK WE HAVE A SERIOUS ISSUE WITH WHO WAS ALLOWED TO SIGN THIS AMONG PUBLIC POLICY.
THEREFORE, I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY CLEAR THAT I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS AS THE WAY IT STANDS AT THIS TIME. VICE MAYOR.
>> THE VICE MAYOR FOR NEXT YEAR, MA'AM.
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN HERE.
MAYOR BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GREAT POINTS, WHICH SIMILARLY I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH.
SPECIFICALLY, AFTER ASKING FIVE DIFFERENT HOA ATTORNEYS THAT I HAVE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST, TELL ME THAT THIS IS A VERY BAD IDEA.
JUST THE SAME AS TAMARAC VILLAGE.
I'M GOING TO JUMP ONTO MAYOR'S WAGON AND THEN I'M GOING TO BE ASKING MY OWN QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.
I THINK I MAXED OUT AT $1.3 MILLION.
WHEN I'M COMPARING IT TO RECENT SALES OF LAND, ANYTHING OVER $1.5 WE ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF.
TWO. I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN HERE WOULD TAKE THE FIRST PRICE GIVEN.
WHEN LOOKING FOR A HOUSE OR ANY BIG PURCHASE.
I'M SURE THAT WE ALL DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU PAY FOR THE CLOSING COSTS? YOU LOWER THE PRICE HERE.
YEAH, MAYBE WHEN THE MARKET WAS HOT, WHEN PEOPLE WERE JUST OVERBIDDING, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
WE'RE NOT IN THAT CATEGORY AT THIS POINT.
ESPECIALLY, NO ONE'S IN A RUSH TO BUY SHAKER VILLAGE.
BECAUSE IF SHAKER VILLAGE UP FOR SALE AND THERE'S ALMOST 50 UNITS CAN BE PUT IN THERE, I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT I'LL FIND MANY BUYERS TO BUY IT AT A HIGHER PRICE.
I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE APPRAISAL AS WELL.
FORTY-THREE LIENS ON THE COMMON AREAS.
I REQUESTED INFORMATION ON THE 43 LIENS AND SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID ABOUT ONE MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION.
I WAS GIVEN AN EMAIL THAT WILL SENT TO MAR HAMILTON, WHICH REPRESENTED SIX ANNALEE LIEN, WHICH WAS PURCHASED BY PRAISE EXPERIENCE WORSHIP, WORLD OUTREACH BY COMMISSIONER BOLTON.
FIRST FIVE PARTIAL RELEASES WERE $500 MORE OR LESS, 38 PARTIAL RELEASES WERE AT $50 EACH.
IS THERE A REASON WHY? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT THOSE 43 LIENS TO ME, DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERY HOMEOWNER IS PAYING THESE LIENS OR CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> COMMISSION ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A LIEN SETTLEMENT LETTER.
WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER OR A FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER IS INTERESTED IN BUYING PROPERTY WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY, THEY WILL SEND INTO THE CITY FOR LIEN SETTLEMENT LETTER.
THE CODE ALLOWS US TO SETTLE THOSE LIENS.
THE COMMON AREA LIEN ATTACHES TO EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.
WHAT THAT LETTER INCLUDES IS A 43 LIENS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE COMMON AREA.
WHAT THAT LETTER SEEKS TO DO IS TO SETTLE THOSE LIEN PARTIALLY BECAUSE THAT'S JUST ONE PROPERTY BEING BOUGHT.
THAT'S A PARTIAL SETTLEMENT FOR THE 43 LIENS THAT I HAVE ATTACHED TO THE COMMON AREA.
>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TOMORROW OR TODAY SHAKER VILLAGE SETTLES FIVE MORE LIENS? YOU'RE SAYING THAT FUTURE SELLERS-
>> IF SOMEONE COMES IN TOMORROW AND STARTING TO BUY A CONDO IN SHAKER VILLAGE, WILL ASKS FOR THE SAME INFORMATION, WOULD PROVIDE THE SAME 43 LIENS AND WE'LL GIVE THEM A SETTLEMENT AMOUNT FOR A PARTIAL SETTLEMENT, AND THAT WILL HAPPEN EVERY TIME UNTIL THOSE LIENS HAVE BEEN-
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>> SOME OF THEM MIGHT NOT EVEN PAY ANYTHING AT ALL IF THEY WAIT LONG ENOUGH. WHERE YOU'RE SAYING?
>> THE 43 LIENS ARE COMPLETELY SETTLED, THEN THERE WILL NOT BE ANY LIEN TO REPORT, BUT AS LONG AS THEY ARE LIENS ON THE COMMON AREA, THEN IT ATTACHES TO EACH INDIVIDUAL ASSOCIATION.
>> DO YOU THINK IT'S FAIR THAT SOME OF US WOULD PAY FOR THE LIENS AND THEN SOME OF US IF WE WAIT LONG ENOUGH, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING?
>> BUT IF THERE'S NO LIENS, THEN YOU WOULDN'T.
>> SOME OF US TAKE THE BURDEN OF EVERYONE ELSE, THAT'S SCREWED UP.
>> I WOULDN'T SAY IF THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO LIENS AND THERE'S NOTHING FOR YOU TO PAY.
AS LONG AS THERE ARE LIEN, THEN YES.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO. YOU'D HAVE TO PAY.
>> WHY NOT ASSESS EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME AND COLLECT OTHER LIEN MONEY?
>> THAT'S NOT A PROCESS, IT'S NOT AN ASSESSMENT, IS THE ABILITY FOR YOU TO HAVE A FREE AND CLEAR TITLE.
IT'S AN ENCUMBRANCE THAT'S ON YOUR TITLE THAT WE'RE HELPING YOU TO PARTIALLY CLEAR.
IT'S ONLY IS OPERATIONAL WHEN A PROPERTY IS BEING BOUGHT OR SOLD.
>> LET'S SAY TODAY, EVERY UNIT SALES TODAY. HOW MUCH ARE WE COLLECTING?
>> WE WOULD DO A SETTLEMENT ON EACH UNIT FOR AROUND THAT AMOUNT.
>> I'LL GO BACK TO MY QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING.
MR. GREG, WHAT PROGRAMS ARE WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET, IT'S REALLY SMART BUT WHAT PROGRAMS?
>> AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO DETERMINE THE EXACT TYPES OF ROOMS AND ELEMENTS.
BUT SOME OF THINGS I COULD FORESEE, POSSIBLY AN AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM, TUTORING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, [OVERLAPPING] THAT EXERCISE CLASSES.
>> WE WOULD DETERMINE THAT BASED ON THE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS, WHETHER THEY'RE MIDDLE OR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, OR ARE AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM CURRENTLY AT TAMARAC SCHOOLS AT TAMARAC PARK, BUT THERE'S CHILDREN IN THAT COMMUNITY.
OUR CURRENT AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM RUNS FROM 3-6.
>> BACK TO THE SHARE AGREEMENTS.
IF I LIVE THERE, I CAN GO IN AT WHATEVER TIME I WANT?
>> WHEN THE CONTRACT IS WRITTEN, THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT IS APPROVED, NEGOTIATED BY THIS BODY AND BY THE HOA.
YOU WILL DETERMINE THE TERMS OF THAT AGREEMENT.
>> USUALLY HOA IS DUE FROM DUST TO DAWN OR DAWN TO DUSK.
>> NOT NECESSARILY THOSE TERMS WILL BE NEGOTIATED OR WILL BE DETERMINED BY YOU AS A BODY AND BY THE HOA THE SHAKER VILLAGE CONDO ASSOCIATION.
>> IF I MAY, OUTSIDE OF THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT IS A RESIDENT OF THE CITY, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO GO TO SEE THE FACILITIES ANYTIME THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
>> FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS WILL BE A CITY OF TAMARAC FACILITY.
>> AS FAR AS LIABILITY GOES, IF IT'S NOT STAFFED, IS THAT OPEN?
>> IF WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE IT IS NOT STAFFED, NO, IT WOULD NOT BE OPEN, IT WOULD BE STRUCTURED HOURS.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT IT BEING STAFFED, OUR OTHER FACILITIES ARE STAFFED FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL 9:00 PM, IT'S UNDERSTAFFED, IT WOULD BE SCHEDULED HOURS, SO IT WOULD BE SCHEDULED AROUND PROGRAMMING.
>> LET'S SAY TODAY I DECIDE I WANT TO RECALL THE BOARD.
BECAUSE I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, I'VE DONE THREE RECALLS ON BOARDS THAT HAVE MALICIOUSLY AND INTENSELY ROBBED THE PEOPLE OF THEIR MONEY.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT CONTRACT?
>> AGAIN, THIS AGREEMENT IS SUBJECT TO BOARD APPROVAL, AND IF NEW BOARD, LET'S SAY, IS CREATED PRIOR TO APPROVAL, THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY REJECT IT.
>> LET'S SAY WE DO APPROVE IT, BUT THEN ONE BOARD MEMBER RESIGNS OR TWO GET KICKED OUT OR DURING ELECTION TIME THEY HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION, AND WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE, THEY DON'T AGREE WITH IT.
>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. WE HAVE A 60 DAY [INAUDIBLE] PERIOD.
>> BUT WITHIN THOSE 60 DAYS [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHICH THE BOARD, IN FACT, THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT IF WE CANNOT COME TO AGREEMENT ON THE SHARE USE,
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THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT AND I'LL GO FOR IT.>> MY QUESTION IS, IF THEY GET TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS WITHIN 60 DAYS THAT DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT NOW WE'RE HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO SELL IT.
THEY NO LONGER WANT TO SELL IT, WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
>> AS I INDICATED TO YOU, THE SHARE USE AGREEMENT IS A CONDITION PRECEDENT.
>> THEY OBVIOUSLY BELIEVED THAT SHARE USE AGREEMENT IS CRITICAL TO THEM AND AS A CONTINGENT ON GOING FORWARD.
IF YOU USE YOUR TIME FRAME, [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE SHARE AGREEMENT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE PREFERENCE ABOVE EVERYBODY ELSE THAT LIVES IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC
>> I THINK MS. CALLOWAY ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE ON USE.
WE HAVEN'T SAT DOWN WITH THEM AND WORKED OUT AN ARRANGEMENT.
>> THE WAY I READ THE CONTRACT THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT IS AS NEGOTIATED AND APPROVED BY YOU AND BY THEM.
SO YOU WILL DETERMINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
[OVERLAPPING] YOU WILL DETERMINE IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM PREFERENCE OR NOT, BUT IT'S [OVERLAPPING] AGREED
>> NO, WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM PREFERENCE.
>> IT'S AGREED UPON BY THIS BODY AND BY THE ASSOCIATION, THAT'S THE WAY I READ THE CONTRACT.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT A THIRD PARTY MITIGATOR HANDLES THIS PURCHASE AGREEMENT, I JUST WROTE THAT DOWN.
I'M ALSO NOT IN FAVOR OF WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.
DURING 2023 BUDGET, IN THIS BUDGET THEY OWN FIVE UNITS IN SHAKER VILLAGE, APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILLION WORTH OF PROPERTY.
THE BOARD, WHY AREN'T THEY PARTICIPATING IN THIS PURCHASE, AND WHY AREN'T THEY PUTTING ANYTHING IN THE LINE? WHY AREN'T THEY SELLING THOSE PROPERTIES? ANYBODY WANT TO SHARE THAT? COMMENT? I'LL TAKE ANYBODY.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE DITCHING OUT TO $1.94 MILLION, DEMOLITION OF 80 GRAND, 6 MILLION IN A BRAND NEW BUILDING, APPROXIMATELY 100,000 PER YEAR IF STAFFED, WHY IS IT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF US, THE COMMUNITY'S TAX DOLLARS, PAYING FOR THIS IF MOST LIKELY, IT WON'T BE USED BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE STAFFED? PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP WHEN IT'S STAFFED, AND MOST LIKELY IT WON'T BE ANYONE GOING THERE.
IF THERE'S A POOL, FORGET ABOUT IT, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A LIFEGUARD, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE AMENITIES. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I HAVE A PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE FIVE UNITS THAT THEY CURRENTLY OWN, NOT ONCE DID THEY ALREADY SOLD, AND THEY LOVE TAKING PROPERTIES AWAY FROM HOMEOWNERS, CLEARLY.
THEY PAID ONE UNIT FOR $9,500 CURRENTLY, THE OTHER ONES, THEY PAID $100 FOR EACH UNIT.
THEY LITERALLY ARE SITTING ON OVER $1.5 MILLION IN ASSETS, AND NOT EVEN ON THEIR BOOKS BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN PUT IT ON THEIR BOOKS.
IT'S NOT EVEN IN THEIR BUDGET.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT RIDICULOUS THAT IN THEIR BUDGET, THEY DON'T PUT THAT ASSETS ON THERE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE BOARD, BEFORE US.
BECAUSE I WOULD QUESTION THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO QUESTION THEM BECAUSE I'D RATHER RECALL THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE IRRESPONSIBLE.
THEIR BUDGET IS SO SCREWED UP IT'S RIDICULOUS TO SEE THESE NUMBERS THAT DON'T EVEN MATCH.
THEIR PROPERTY INSURANCE WENT UP $370,000, SUPPOSEDLY.
I'M LOOKING AT THEIR BUDGET, IT SAYS PAYROLL EMPLOYER, SHAKER VILLAGE SHOULD NOT BE AN EMPLOYER.
THEY'RE ARE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, SO WHY THE HECK DO THEY HAVE AN ITEM THAT SAYS THEY ARE AN EMPLOYER? THE REASON WHY I FOUND OUT ABOUT THEIR PROPERTIES JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS PROPERTY TAX, THEY PAID PROPERTY TAXES ON IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE LIKE, THE HECK, IS THIS? THEIR RESERVES? THE RESERVES ARE IN SHAMBLES.
YOU HAVE A $2,000,000 BUDGET AND YOU HAVE LESS THAN $180,000 IN RESERVES.
THE REASON WHY, MAYOR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS IS 361 UNITS BECAUSE BASED ON THEIR BUDGET, EITHER THEY'RE SCREWING UP OR SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BECAUSE IT SAYS 361 UNITS COLLECTING $450 PER MONTH ON THEIR BUDGET.
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YOU MENTIONED THE SELLER DICTATES WHERE THE FUNDS GOES, BUT AGAIN, IF IT WAS A PRIVATE SALE, WHO THE HECK CARES? BUT THIS IS PUBLIC FUNDS, THIS IS NOT MONOPOLY MONEY HERE.THESE ARE REAL DOLLARS FROM REAL TAX PAYING PEOPLE IN TAMARAC, AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WHEN THIS COMMISSION CONSTANTLY SAYS, WE SHOULD SAVE THE RESIDENTS MONEY BUT YET WE'RE PUSHING THE MILLAGE RATE TO GO UP, THEN SAY, OH, LET'S BRING IT BACK DOWN.
IT'S ABSURD TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THEM MONEY HERE AND THEN SCREW THEM OVER THERE.
IT'S ABSURD, AND IT'S CONSTANTLY BEING THROWN AT US THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS.
BUT GET WE'RE SCREWING PEOPLE UP ON THIS SIDE AND ON THAT SIDE.
YOU SAID A DEMO COST WAS HOW MUCH, ABOUT 80,000?
>> HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT ON STATE ROAD 7 PROPERTIES?
>> I BELIEVE ONE OF THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS ABOUT $1 MILLION.
>> I BELIEVE IT WAS $1 MILLION.
>> 1 MILLION PLUS, [OVERLAPPING]
>> MS. CALLOWAY, [OVERLAPPING]
>> HOW MUCH IS THIS CENTRAL PARK? GREG, WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE
>> HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO BUILD IT? 7-11?
>> 9 MILLION FOR A STAFFED PARK?
>> NO. IF IT'S STAFFED, HOW MUCH?
>> WE WOULDN'T ADD STAFFING, THERE'S NO BUILDING ON THAT FACILITY, SO WE WOULD NOT STAFF THAT.
>> HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT ON CAPORELLA PARK OR WILL BE SPENDING BY THE END OF THE FINISHED PRODUCT?
>> WE'VE SPENT OR YOU'RE MARKING $25-30 MILLION ON DISTRICT 1 AND WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON IN DISTRICT 1, WHAT ABOUT THE PROGRESSIVE BUILDING?
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY IMPLANTS ON THAT YET.
>> DO WE HAVE INTENTIONS TO BUYING IT.
>> NO. YOU'RE IN WITH AN APPLICATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY
>> OH, THE WALLS ARE DONE IN DISTRICT 1? I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT A DISTRICT ONE THING HERE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EAST SIDE FEASIBILITY.
I'M BRINGING THOSE QUESTIONS UP, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S EQUITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OF MONEY BEING SPENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY PAYS INTO HIS POOL.
>> MAY I RESPOND TO YOUR STATE ROAD 7? LAURIE WAS ABLE TO UPDATE ME WITH INFORMATION.
A TOTAL OF 2.175 MILLION FOR TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE PURCHASED ON STATE WARD 71 ONE WAS ABOUT 900,000 AND THE OTHER 1.2.
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, TWO MORE PROPERTIES THERE?
>> CURRENTLY, ON STATE ROAD 7, NO.
>> WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT LOOKING AT TWO MORE PROPERTIES, BUT THE ASSET PROPERTIES BECOME AVAILABLE WHEN ACQUIRE, BUT I THOUGHT YOU MEANT SOMETHING WAS PENDING [OVERLAPPING], THERE'S NOTHING PENDING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] PERFECT, GIVE IT UP FOR SALE WE'RE CHEWING IT UP.
THAT'S JUST ONE PROPERTY OR TWO?
>> IT'S POTENTIALLY TWO PROPERTY, BUT WE HAVE ACQUIRED TWO PARCELS [OVERLAPPING]
>> ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK THAT WILL COST?
>> LET'S JUST SAY ANOTHER 3 OR $4 MILLION, BECAUSE THEY'RE LARGER PARCELS?
>> THIS COMMISSION MOVES FORWARD.
GREG, WHEN DOES IT START BUILDING, DEMOLITION STARTS?
>> BASED ON BUDGETED DOLLARS, AGAIN, THIS FIRST YEAR, WE WOULD BE HAVE THE DEMOLITION DONE AND CLEANUP OF THE PARCEL, AS WE'RE DOING THE ANY DESIGN-BUILD PROCESS, IT TAKES ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO BID OUT AND GET A CONTRACTOR ON, AND THEN ANOTHER SIX MONTHS FOR THE DESIGN, AND THEN APPROXIMATELY A YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION.
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>> THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING PROBABLY FOR END OF THE YEAR 2024 INTO 2025.
>> DEFINITELY. THE INGRESS AND EGRESS, CAN SOMEBODY TALK TO ME ABOUT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS? IS THAT [OVERLAPPING] PORTION OF THE MEDIAN BEING REMOVED?
>> THE SUBJECT OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, IS JUST PARCEL B, WHICH IS A 2.53 ACRE PARCEL, THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.
>> WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE MEDIAN, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY, WE'RE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT THROUGH COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD?
>> YEAH, WE WOULD DO AN EASEMENT OR ACCESS, BUT THAT'S PUBLIC ROADWAY, BUT IF WE'RE GOING OVER ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE CAN DO AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT TO ACCESS THAT, BUT THE SUBJECT OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT IS JUST PARCEL B.
>> I HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE MONEY GO INTO THE HOA BOARD.
YOU HAVE TWO BOARD MEMBERS AGAINST IT, ONE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE AND TWO ARE SAYING YES.
CONCERN THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
LET ALONE THE LACK OF INTERESTS FROM THEIR PART, TO NOT EVEN INFORM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEY'RE ROBBING THE COMMUNITY OF ALMOST $6,000 PER HOME, IF WE GIVE THEM THOSE $2 MILLION.
I THINK THAT'S VERY UNFAIR, I THINK I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING SURE THAT THEY ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE IF I LIVE THERE AND I OWN A PROPERTY THERE AND A BOARD JUST SCREWED ME OVER OF SIX GRAND, BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING A DECISION THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE MAKING, I THINK I'LL BE UPSET, I THINK ANYBODY HERE WOULD BE UPSET.
IF THAT IS THE CASE AND IF THEY DO MOVE FORWARD WITH GIVING EVERY HOMEOWNER $6,000, THEN WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION OWNING A HOME THERE, BECAUSE THAT PERSON THEN WILL GET $6,000 TOO.
I'M GOING TO TAKE IT BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING ABOUT THE FLORIDA STATUTE AND THE BYLAWS.
BYLAWS WERE WRITTEN VERY CLEARLY, FLORIDA STATUTES 718 IT'S VERY CLEAR.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL THE PROPERTY, AND WE ARE TAKING IT FROM THEM POTENTIALLY.
THE HOA BOARD IS SELLING IT, AND THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO SELL IT.
THEY'RE BEING PRESSURED TO SELL IT, THEY'RE BEING MANIPULATED TO SELL IT AND I THINK THAT'S ABSURD.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T EVEN FIT IN MY HEAD OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
FIVE PEOPLE, TWO DON'T WANT IT, TWO ON IT, ONE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
YOU IMAGINE PUTTING FIVE COMMISSIONERS AT THE SAME TIME MAKING THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS , IT'S VERY SCARY.
THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD INSURANCE, THEY COLLECTED ON THAT INSURANCE, THEY COLLECTED $400,000 ON THAT INSURANCE MONEY, AND WE'RE STILL PAYING $2 MILLION.
SO WE'RE OVERPAYING BY NEARLY $700,000.
THEY COLLECTED $400,000 FROM THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY, THEY DON'T SHOW THAT MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET AND WE'RE EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH THAT.
THIS COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH IT.
WE'RE HAVE MISSING MONEY, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT EVEN PUTTING IT TO THE RESERVES.
THE RESERVES ARE LITERALLY CRAP, THEY HAVE CRAP RESERVES.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE SAVINGS. NOT THAT THEY SHOULD, BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE ACTUALLY AT ZERO EVERY TIME EVERY YEAR.
I HAVE HOAS IN MY COMMUNITY WITHOUT A HOA BOARDS AND NO MAINTENANCE ON IT, SO WE'RE GOING TO START BUYING PROPERTIES? KINGS POINT TOLD ME THE WHOLE CLUBHOUSE HAS A $50 MILLION IF THEY WANTED TO, IF THAT'S THE CASE.
I'LL GET MY HOA BOARD TO SELL YOU OUR PROPERTY, WE JUST PAID IT OFF.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE TAKING PROPERTY FROM INDIVIDUALS THAT PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THEIR OWN MONEY, LET ALONE MANAGING $2 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM,
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AND WE HAVE NO SAY IN IT, OF WHAT THEY GOING TO DO WITH IT.IF WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN IT, THAT MEANS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE GIVING IT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT,? RECKLESS SPENDING.
FIVE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE PUT ON THE BOARD, THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT EVEN 718 EVEN MEANS, THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE EVEN FALL UNDER 720 AND THEY DON'T FALL UNDER 720 STATUTE.
DIDN'T EVER PROBABLY EVEN READ THEIR OWN BYLAWS, BECAUSE CLEARLY THEY WOULD HAVE READ THEIR BYLAWS, THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO SELL THE PROPERTY, AND THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING AGAINST THE DBPR IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THE DBPR WILL LOVE TO HAVE THIS CASE.
BECAUSE THE DBPR LOVES 718 STATUTE CASES OVER 720'S CASES.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE A HUGE LIABILITY FOR US.
I BELIEVE ONCE THIS COMMUNITY AND ITS ENTIRETY FINDS OUT THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS BEING SOLD BY FIVE BOARD MEMBERS, NOT EVEN FIVE BOARD MEMBERS, BY THREE BOARD MEMBERS.
THEIR PROPERTIES LITERALLY BEING SOLD BY THREE BOARD MEMBERS, THERE'LL BE UP IN ARMS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HERE DOES HAVE AN HOA.
I BELIEVE EVERYBODY IN HERE WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING.
IF YOU GET KNOCKED ON YOUR DOOR, YOU GET SOMETHING ON YOUR DOOR, IN THE MAIL AND PERSON SAYING, HEY, THEY'RE GOING TO SELL YOUR CLUBHOUSE AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING A DIME FOR IT.
WE'RE NOT EVEN BUYING A BUILDING, WE'RE HAVING TO DO THE WORK, WE'RE HAVING TO DO A DEMOLITION FOR THEM.
THEY COLLECTED INSURANCE MONEY AND WE'RE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM.
ISN'T IT A BENEFIT THEM ONLY THAT WOULD ASSURE YOU THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL COME UP TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT, WHAT WAS THE CAPACITY, GREG? WHAT WOULD BE THE CAPACITY?
>> [NOISE] EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER. I DON'T HAVE THAT FIGURE.
>> IT'D BE MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE POSSIBLE 100.
>> A HUNDRED PEOPLE AT A TIME?
>> WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT? OUT OF 70,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY, A HUNDRED PEOPLE GET TO ENJOY A NINE MILLION PLUS FACILITY, DOES THAT MAKES SENSE? DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO ANYBODY? ANYBODY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? NO, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE IF I ASK COMMISSIONER BOLTON, I WON'T GET AN ANSWER, IF I ASKED YOU, I WON'T GET AN ANSWER, IF I ASK COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, I WON'T GET AN ANSWER.
>> [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN ANSWER.
>> YES. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK I'M GOING TO REFRAIN FROM SOME OF MY COMMENTS AND THEN JUST TAKE ACTION WHEN I NEED TO.
I'M JUST CONCERNED WITH THESE LIENS THING, THIS 43 LIENS.
I'M STUCK ON THAT ONE. DO WE KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE PAID OFF ALL OF IT? WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, IT HASN'T SOLD.
SO WE'RE WAIVING THREE MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF LIENS.
WE ARE WAIVING THREE MILLION OF LIENS, THEY COLLECTED 400,000 INSURANCE MONEY, WE'RE HAVING TO PAY FOR THE DEMO, WE'RE OVERPAYING BY $700,000, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TWO YEARS FOR A CAPACITY OF 100 PEOPLE IF AT THAT BECAUSE I'M SURE, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDING SECURITY, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING CAMERAS, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING IF SOMEONE DECIDES TO SPRAY PAINT THE BUILDING.
>> IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LIENS ON THE PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER IT BECAUSE THE ACTUAL AMOUNT IS UP TO $12,571,300 AS OF JULY 3RD ON ALL THE PROPERTIES.
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IS THE AMOUNT OF THREE MILLION THAT YOU'RE GIVING JUST BASED ON THE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY SHAKER VILLAGE?>> NO, THAT IS JUST BASED ON ALL THE COMMON AREAS IN SHAKER VILLAGE.
>> YOU STILL HAVEN'T DEFINED THE COMMON AREAS.
IS IT GRASS OR IS IT A COMMON ROOF? IS IT THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? IS IT THE RAILING ON A BUILDING? IS IT?
>> I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THEN AND LOOK AT ALL THE CASE NUMBER.
BUT THIS MEMORANDUM THAT WE PREPARED SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT THIS IS THE COMMON AREAS.
>> BECAUSE THE ROOF IS A COMMON AREA, CORRECT? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO US IN MORE DETAIL.
PLEASE, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
>> MAYOR, I HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY WITH MY SON.
I HAVE TO TAKE HIM TO THE DOCTOR.
I'LL PARTICIPATE THROUGH TEAMS IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION TO ME BEFORE I LEAVE, I'M HERE TO ANSWER IT.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO JOIN US ON TEAMS?
>> BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTINUE WITHOUT YOU BEING HERE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M WILLING TO MEET WITH ANYONE TOMORROW BEFORE THE COMMISSION [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M JUST PUTTING IT ON THE RECORD.
WE ARE LEGALLY STILL ALLOWED TO HAVE THE MEETING BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING THROUGH TEAMS AND YOU PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT YOU ARE AVAILABLE TO SPEAK WITH US IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. BE SAFE.
>> MRS. CALLOWAY, WHY IS SHAKER VILLAGE SO IMPORTANT TO US AS A CITY, AND CITY MANAGER, WELL, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT AS WELL FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE.
I ADMIRE MY COLLEAGUE'S EXPERIENCE IN THE TITLE ATTORNEY AND BEING A REALTOR, YOU'VE BROUGHT A LOT OF GRANULAR STUFF THAT WE MIGHT NOT KNOW AS A LAY PERSON TO OUR ATTENTION.
I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIG PICTURE NOW.
WHY IS SHAKER VILLAGE SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS A CITY?
>> COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S SHAKER VILLAGE.
WELL, I WANT TO SAY IS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO EQUALLY DISTRIBUTE CITY SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS.
WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT THE EAST SIDE OF OUR 17,000 RESIDENTS ON THE EAST SIDE ARE NOT ACCESSING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE OTHER PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO OUR MOTIVATION IS TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE SERVICES AND THE FACILITIES TO OUR RESIDENTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AND SHAKER VILLAGE PROPERTY JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN THAT AREA AND AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP A FACILITY LIKE THIS.
THE REASON THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHAKER VILLAGE IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE THE AVAILABILITY OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WE CAN ENTERTAIN, PURCHASE, AND DEVELOP FOR OUR SERVICES, SO THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SHAKER VILLAGE COMMUNITY AND THE PROPERTY THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR US.
>> OUR VISION FOR THE CITY IS TO TURN COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE, INTO A PLACE THAT'S VIBRANT, BEAUTIFUL, AND THRIVING.
OF THE OTHER CLUBHOUSES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE CLUBHOUSES ALONG COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD?
>> I'M SURE THERE ARE, AND I CAN'T LIST THEM RIGHT NOW.
BUT IN TERMS OF OUR CITY FACILITIES, AS YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF UNIVERSITY ALONG COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
YOU RIGHT THERE A LOT OF PLANS FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD FOR THE NEXT 10, 15, 20 YEARS.
>> IN TERMS OF CLUBHOUSES, I MEANT PRIVATE CLUBHOUSES, SIMILAR TO SHAKER VILLAGE.
I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT CLUBHOUSES THAT WE'RE INVESTING INTO.
BUT I DON'T SEE MANY CLUBHOUSES WHEN I DRIVE ALONG COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD COMING FROM 95 ALONG TO THE TURNPIKE AND GOING WEST TO THE SAWGRASS, I THINK.
ONE OF THE FEW PLACES I SEE WHERE'S A PRIVATE CLUBHOUSE IS PERHAPS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DRIVE IT EVERY DAY, AND ONLY SHAKER VILLAGE I SEE ALONG THAT COMMERCIAL THOROUGHFARE THAT WE WANT TO MODERNIZE AND MAKE VIBRANT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY, IS THERE ANY MORE CLUBHOUSES ALONG THAT DRIVE OF COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD COMING 95,
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COMING INTO OUR CITY?>> I'M NOT SURE IF THERE ARE ANY FACING THE COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, BUT THE NEW COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ON THE PREVIOUS GOLF COURSES, THEY HAVE SOME SOCIAL OR CLUBHOUSES AND SOME PRIVATE FACILITIES.
>> ON THE INTERIOR PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION. SHAKER VILLAGE IS THE ONLY CLUBHOUSE ALONG THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD COMING INTO A CITY.
IF I DRIVE FROM 95 THROUGH THE SAWGRASS, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WE SEE ON THE DRY?
>> COMING INTO OUR CITY. ON THAT DRIVE, HOW DOES SHAKER VILLAGE MAKE OUR CITY LOOK?
>> I DON'T WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT BECAUSE OUR RESIDENTS SEE THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY AND YOU HEAR THE SAME COMMENTS THAT WE DO.
IT'S NOT THE TAMARAC THAT WE WANT TO REPRESENT.
CLEARLY, IT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND THE PLANS WE HAVE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF TAMARAC INTO A PREMIUM COMMUNITY, AND SO IT JUST DOESN'T HELP WITH THE CURRENT APPEARANCE OF THAT CLUBHOUSE
>> INVESTING IN SHAKER VILLAGE WILL BE PART OF OUR BEAUTIFICATION PROCESS, PART OF MAKING TAMARAC A LITTLE MORE EXCITING AND VIBRANT?
>> OUR INVESTMENT IN BUILDING CITY FACILITIES TO SERVE OUR RESIDENTS, IT WILL ALSO HAVE THAT BEAUTIFICATION IMPACT AS WELL.
THAT'S OUR GOAL FOR ANY OF OUR FUTURE INVESTMENTS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY, AND WE BRING SOME MODERN ELEMENTS TO THAT ENVIRONMENT TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITIES.
>> THE STAFF HAS A TRACK RECORD OF DOING THESE INVESTMENTS.
I THINK WE MENTIONED THIS LAST MEETING, TAMARAC VILLAGE, WE PAID 23 MILLION, AND IN THE END, WE'RE GOING TO BENEFIT 50 MILLION.
IS THAT CORRECT? FROM THE RECORD, I THINK, THOSE WERE THE NUMBERS. MAYBE I'M OFF.
>> WE DID HAVE A CARRYING COST OF ABOUT $23, $24 MILLION FOR TAMARAC VILLAGE, THAT'S CORRECT.
>> THAT WAS A CITY'S ACQUISITION.
IN THE LONG RUN, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE MORE THAN WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY FOR.
>> COLONY WEST, INTERESTINGLY, WE PAID ABOUT TWO OR THREE MILLION FOR THAT PROPERTY ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO.
>> YOU SAID THAT WILL BE WORTH A LOT MORE TODAY.
>> TOTALLY. PLUS THE CLUBHOUSE AND ALL THE STUFF.
THE STAFF HAS HAD A TRACK RECORD OF MAKING SAVVY REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS BASED ON THESE NUMBERS.
IF WE LOOK AT OUR BALANCE SHEET AND WE SEE TAMARAC VILLAGE, WE PAY 23 AND WE'RE GOING TO GET 50, THAT'S A PROFIT OF ALMOST 20 PLUS MILLION.
IF WE SAY COLONY WEST, WE PAY TWO MILLION AND IT'S WORTH A LOT MORE THAN THAT TODAY, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE IN DOING REAL ESTATE ACQUISITIONS.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT THE CITY COMMISSION SHARE THAT VISION WITH US, AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS.
>> OKAY. FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IT COMES UP ALL THAT, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, ALL OVER SHAKER VILLAGES.
MS. CALLOWAY, YOU CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS THIS.
WHY WOULD THIS BE NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY? WHAT WOULD BE THE CONS OF NOT PUTTING THIS PROPERTY THROUGH?
>> MS. CALLOWAY, YOU WANT TO START?
>> JUST TO ADD TO SOME OF WHAT THE CITY MANAGER JUST TALKED ABOUT, WITHOUT SUGARCOATING, IT'S AN EYESORE ON OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND I THINK OUR IMPETUS TO BEGIN WITH IN 2019 HAD TO DO WITH GETTING CONTROL OF THAT PROPERTY.
I DEMONSTRATED IN THE POWERPOINT, OUR EFFORT TO WORK WITH SHAKER VILLAGE, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE A DIFFERENT LOOK ON THAT PROPERTY AND I WENT THROUGH IN 2019 WHERE WE TRIED TO GET THEM TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND THAT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL.
THAT'S WHY WE INSERTED OURSELVES, BECAUSE AS A PART OF OUR BEAUTIFICATION EFFORT, COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD DID OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, AND WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.
IT IS AN ABSOLUTE EYESORE JUST SITTING THERE ON OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
JUST TO SUPPORT WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID RELATIVE TO WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO TRY TO CONTROL THIS PROPERTY AND TO PUT ON THIS PROPERTY WHAT WE BELIEVE IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY.
>> I THINK YOU'VE MENTIONED THE EAST SIDE, YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE INVESTMENT IN THE EAST SIDE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT HIS DISTRICT HAS THE HIGHEST DISPOSABLE INCOME IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
THIS RADIUS RIGHT HERE HAS THE HIGHEST DISPOSABLE INCOME.
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WHAT WAYS THE EAST SIDE WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE OF THAT? THE EAST SIDE WOULD BE THE PART OF THE CITY THAT HAS A LOT OF DISPOSABLE INCOME COMPARED TO THE WEST SIDE.>> FROM WHAT PERSPECTIVE? FROM OUR INVESTMENTS PERSPECTIVE?
>> JUST FROM GENERAL, FROM PEOPLE, FROM PER CAP INCOME, FROM INDIVIDUALS LIKE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, WHICH PARTS WOULD BE MORE AFFLUENCE? WHICH PART WILL BE LESS AFFLUENT? WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT THE EAST SIDE?
>> IN ALL HONESTY, I CAN'T SAY CERTAINLY THAT THIS AREA DEMOGRAPHICS OF EACH DISTRICT, I CAN'T SAY WITH GREAT CERTAINTY WHICH DISTRICT HAS WHAT KIND OF INCOME LEVELS.
BUT CLEARLY, THE EAST SIDE OF TAMARAC, IS THE ORIGINAL SIDE OF TAMARAC THAT'S OLDER HOUSING STOCK AND SO THE WEST SIDE IS THE NEWER HOUSING STOCK, MORE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, SO THE PROPERTY VALUES CLEARLY, HIGHER ON THIS SIDE AND THAN ON THE EAST SIDE.
>> WHY DID WE GET INVOLVED IN SHAKER VILLAGE IF IT'S A PRIVATE ASSOCIATION AND THERE'S INSURANCE MONEY? WHY DID WE GET INVOLVED? WHY DID THE CITY GET INVOLVED?
>> THE ORIGINAL AND STILL TODAY, THE INTENT IS TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER ON THE EAST SIDE OF TAMARAC.
AS YOU LOOK AT THE AVAILABLE PROPERTIES ON THAT SIDE OF THE CITY, YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF POSSIBILITIES AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE PROPERTIES THAT CAN SERVE THAT PURPOSE, AND THAT'S WHERE OUR INTERESTS IS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMUNITY ALSO HAS SOME OTHER CONCERNS, SOME INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS, SOME OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THE LOOK OF THEIR EXISTING FACILITIES, SO WE KILL A NUMBER OF BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, SO TO SPEAK.
>> WHY DON'T WE PULL THE TRIGGER WHEN WE HAD OPPORTUNITY A FEW YEARS AGO TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR NOT DOING THAT?
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS WE'VE BEEN PURSUING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND IT WAS ALWAYS SOME LEGAL CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS.
WE WENT THROUGH CITY ATTORNEY TO CITY ATTORNEY IN LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION, BUT WE NEVER HAD A CLEAR OPINION, AND DIRECTION, AND GUIDANCE IN THE ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY.
>> SOME OF THE STUFF THAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, AS A REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY, SHE HAS A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE OF THAT STUFF.
YOU GUYS WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS PROCESS, WHY DIDN'T YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE THINGS? WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL UP SOME OF THAT STUFF?
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, AND WE APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK AND INPUT INTO THIS CONVERSATION.
IN OUR ROLES, WE NEED TO ALLOW THE CITY ATTORNEY GUIDE US IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WE NEED TO ALLOW THE REPRESENTATION OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OR THE SELLER THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, GUIDE US IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
OUR ROLE IN THIS SITUATION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE BEST LEGAL ADVICE THAT WE CAN AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE'RE FOLLOWING THE ADVICE OF THE REPRESENTING LEGAL COUNCIL AND OUR OWN CITY ATTORNEY.
>> AS A CITY MANAGER, AS A CEO OF THE ORGANIZATION, YOU TRUST THE LEGAL ADVICE, YOU TRUST THE ADVICE THAT YOU GET FROM COLLEAGUES, WHETHER IT'S HR, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE FIRE CHIEF, WHETHER IT'S AN POLICE CHIEF, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE PROFESSIONALS AND YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION TRUSTING THAT THESE ARE THE RIGHT PROFESSIONALS AND I'M MAKING A DECISION BASED ON WHAT THE ADVICE THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN ME.
>> HUNDRED PERCENT. IN ESSENCE, WE AS A COMMISSION AS WELL, BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, WE ALSO HAVE TO TRUST THE ADVICE OF CITY ATTORNEY AND PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPETENT.
WHEN WE ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, WE'RE THINKING THAT YOU'VE DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE AS A TEAM, AS AN ORGANIZATION, AND WE HAVE TO TRUST INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE EXPERT IN THESE PARTICULAR FIELDS.
>> THOSE WERE JUST MY QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE AWARE THAT AS A COMMISSION, AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE HAVE TO TRUST PROFESSIONALS AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE PRESENT TO US, AND WE MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT IN A GRANULAR WAY, LIKE OTHER PEOPLES WHO ARE EXPERTS IN THESE FIELDS, BUT THE REASON WE HAVE THAT PROFESSIONALS IS BECAUSE WE HIRED
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THEM AND WE'RE TAKING THE ADVICE.IS MR. ANATOL STILL ON THE LINE?
>> COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, ARE YOU ASKING FOR HANS OR YOU'RE ASKING FOR ME?
[INAUDIBLE] I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS FOR HANS.
WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND IN THE CENTER OF THIS.
YOU MAY BE VISIBLE BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE OUR LEADING COMPLIANCE.
[INAUDIBLE] YOUR SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE [INAUDIBLE] THE MANAGER CONCERNING THIS.
>> EVEN FOR THE WORKSHOP, MAYOR?
>> IT'S NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED WHETHER OR NOT, THAT'S STILL AN ISSUE FOR, [OVERLAPPING]
>> I CAN RESPOND TO QUESTIONS WELL.
>> BESIDE THE POINT, YOU CAN GET THE ANSWER THOUGH.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S 3:15 WE NEED SOME RECESS WHILE WE FIGURE THE NEXT STEPS OUT, WE WILL BE BACK AT 3:30.
HOPE WE WILL HAVE AN ANSWER BY THEN. THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER WRIGHT HAD THE FLOOR.
COMMISSIONER WRIGHT IS DONE ALREADY.
I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
>> MAYOR, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ON TEAMS.
WE KNOW THAT EVERY CLUBHOUSE, ASIDE FROM KINGS POINT AND SHAKER VILLAGE, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET AND A COUPLE MORE.
IF WE WERE TO COVER SHAKER VILLAGE, WE WOULD NEVER SEE IT.
[NOISE] THERE'S MORE THAN A HANDFUL, THAN TWO HANDFULS, THAN FOUR HANDFULS OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE CLUBHOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE AND AS BETTER AS SHAKER VILLAGE.
BUT LOOK AT THE CLUBHOUSE AT WOODLANDS.
CAN ANYBODY SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE? HOW BAD IT WAS? NO. WE'RE TRYING TO BUY IT.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE HAD AN INTEREST IN IT NOW.
IF WE COVER IT WITH SHRUBBERY,
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WE PUT A WALL, WE WON'T SEE IT.HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST TO PUT TREES, HEDGES AND LET THAT PROBLEM BE SHAKER VILLAGE'S PROBLEM? HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST?
>> COMMISSIONER, I DON'T KNOW. BUT AS I MENTIONED, OUR GOAL HERE IS NOT SOLELY TO REMOVE THAT EYESORE, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] NOT NECESSARILY. A HUNDRED PEOPLE AT A TIME POSSIBLY YES, BUT THIS WOULD SERVE THAT COMMUNITY FOR SO MANY DAYS A YEAR WHILE IT'S OPEN.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, TAMARAC VILLAGE, WE SPENT ABOUT $24 MILLION, AND WE HAVE NOT RECOUPED THAT MONEY AND IT'LL TAKE US ABOUT 100 YEARS TO RECOUP SOMETHING, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED.
COLONY WEST COSTS WHAT? NINE, ELEVEN MILLION TO BUILD.
>> THIRTEEN MILLION PLUS THE LAND.
>> WITHOUT THE LAND. LET'S JUST SAY 15 MILLION.
WE'RE FAR AWAY FROM RECOUPING THAT MONEY.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT ITSELF, BUT I'M AGAINST THE PROCESS OF HOW IT'S BEING DONE.
THE PROCESS ITSELF IS TERRIBLE.
IT SETS A PRECEDENCE FOR FUTURE ACQUISITIONS.
IT SETS A PRECEDENCE FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES TO COME OUT AND SAY, BY OUR COMMUNITY YOU CAN USE IT FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT. WE'RE NOT USING IT.
IT HAS, AS YOU STATED INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS, WHICH IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.
IT'S NO ONE OUTSIDE OF SHAKER VILLAGE'S PROBLEM.
IT'S SHAKER VILLAGE'S PROBLEM ALONGSIDE THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STREET FROM SHAKER VILLAGE.
MANY TIMES WHEN YOU DO A CONTRACT TO BUY A HOME, AND A HOME NEEDS A NEW ROOF, YOU STIPULATE THAT UPON CLOSING THE MONEY GOES INTO ESCROW, PERSON GETS THE CONTRACT TO THE ROOF, AND UPON CLOSING CONTRACTOR GETS PAID.
CONTRACTOR COMES AND DOES THE ROOF.
SELLER KNOWS, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT MONEY WENT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CANNOT DO THAT.
IF THIS GOES THROUGH EVEN IF ON A THREE TO TWO VOTE ON AFFORDED ONE VOTE, ON A ZERO VOTE, HOW WE CANNOT PUT THAT MONEY INTO ESCROW, AND FORCE THEM TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE? BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? THEY'RE GOING TO PLUNDER THEIR PIGGY BANK OF THE TWO MILLION DOLLARS.
THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS, AND WHO'S GOING TO BAIL THEM OUT? THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A LOAN.
THEY HAVE NO PROPERTY TO GET A LOAN OFF OF.
THEIR OTHER PROPERTY THEY HAVE ON THE NORTH SIDE, IT'S JUST AS BAD AS THE SOUTH SIDE OR COMING SOON.
WHO BAILS THEM OUT WHEN THEY HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM? IT'S A QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AN ANSWER.
>> DEPENDS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM.
BUT OUR LEGAL LIMIT STOPS WHERE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP BEGINS.
IF IT'S OWNED BY A PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE DO NOT.
>> BACK IN 20, I BELIEVE '17 OR '16 THEY HAD INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM ON THEIR ROAD UNDER NORTH SIDE, AND THE CITY WAS INVOLVED WITH IT.
WAS THAT A PARTNERSHIP? DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER?
>> COMMISSIONER I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT I KNOW OUR PUBLIC SERVICES HAVE SPENT SOME TIME IN IDENTIFYING SOME PROBLEMS LIKE THAT.
IF YOU WISH, WE CAN GET A MORE DETAILED ANSWER.
>> BECAUSE THAT PROBLEM IS GOING TO PROCEED FROM BAILEY ROAD ALL THE WAY TO COMMERCIAL.
>> JOHN CAN PROVIDE A GOOD HISTORY OF THAT AREA.
>> FOR THE RECORD, JOHN DOHERTY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES.
IN 2015, WE DID AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WITH THE SHAKER VILLAGE GROUP.
WE DID SOME PIPE BURSTING IN THERE, WE INCREASED OUR PIPE SIZES AND ADDED A LOT OF FIRE HYDRANTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WITH THAT PROJECT, WE DID A LOT OF PATCHWORK.
AFTER THE PATCHWORK WAS COMPLETE,
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WE TOLD THEM THAT WE WOULD BE PAVING THAT COMMUNITY IF THEY FIX THEIR DRAINAGE ISSUES THEY HAD IN THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF STANDING WATER ON THE ASPHALT.WATER IS AN ENEMY OF ASPHALT, SO IF YOU HAVE STANDING WATER IN ASPHALT, IT'S GOING TO DETERIORATE FASTER THAN NORMALLY WOULD.
WE HAD MONEY SET ASIDE FOR PAVING SHAKER VILLAGE, BUT WE DID NOT UTILIZE THAT, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT FIX THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM AS FAR AS DRAINAGE GOES.
>> SINCE 2015 WE'VE BEEN HAVING A PROBLEM IN TRIAL, THAT CONTINUES TO BE A MONEY DRAINAGE.
APPARENTLY, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO A BUDGET, THEY'RE NOT RESERVING THEIR FUNDS.
BUT YET THEY CHARGE EVERY HOMEOWNER $450 A MONTH.
ACCORDING TO JOHN, THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING FURTHER THAN 2015.
THAT MEANS THAT THOSE PROBLEMS ARE JUST SITTING THERE BECAUSE THE WATER JUST SITS THERE.
I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT.
ARE WE GOING TO THEN BUILD THEM OUT AGAIN? IT'S THE QUESTION IF THAT PERSISTS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET A LOAN.
WHO WOULD BAIL THEM OUT? LET ME GET A SCENARIO.
THEY DON'T SPECIALIZE THE SAS, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THERE WON'T BE ABLE TO SPEND 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, HOWEVER MUCH HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS IT WOULD BE.
THEY DON'T HAVE RESERVES, THEY DON'T HAVE SAVINGS.
BIG INFRASTRUCTURE IS DEPLORABLE. WHO BAILS THEM OUT?
>> THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ACQUISITION TALKS WITH THE COMMUNITY, WAS THAT THE CITY'S PURCHASE PRICE WOULD GO TO SOME OF THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
>> IF THAT IS THE CASE OF A TALK, WHY ISN'T THAT IN THE CONTRACT? IF IT'S NOT, IT SHOULD BE.
THOSE TWO MILLION DOLLARS SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HANDS OF FIVE INDIVIDUALS, IS MY PROBLEM.
IN ESSENCE, YOU'RE GIVING TWO MILLION DOLLARS TO THREE PEOPLE THAT CAN EASILY JUST SELL THEIR HOUSE AND WALK AWAY, AND RUN AWAY WITH THE MONEY.
I'VE SEEN IT MANY TIMES, I'VE DEALT WITH FOUR HOAS THAT I HAVE PURSUED ON FOR FRAUD.
THIS WOULD BE MY FIFTH IF THIS GOES THROUGH BECAUSE THIS MONEY WILL BE SQUANDERED.
UNLESS WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, AND MAKING SURE THAT THESE TWO MILLION DOLLARS WE CAN SAY IS PROJECT GOES THROUGH, BECAUSE IT MAY GO THROUGH.
AT LEAST FOR THOSE VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT, SHOULD BE HOLD RESPONSIBLE AND HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY, THEN THIS MONEY GOES INTO ESCROW AND YOU BETTER USE IT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PURPOSES.
NOT FOR BUYING A BRAND NEW VEHICLE, NOT FOR SQUANDERING.
IF THAT CAN HAPPEN, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL.
THAT'S IT. I'M DONE, MAYOR. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I WON'T DELIVER THE ARC OR THE CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS AD NAUSEAM FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS.
I RESPECT STAFF'S TIME AND ALL OF YOUR TIME HERE.
FRANKLY, I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
I BELIEVED THAT THIS WAS A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
IT'S BEEN SO LONG AND IT'S NOT LEFT MY MIND ACTUALLY THAT THE MONEY WOULD BE EARMARKED TO FIX THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS IN SHAKER VILLAGE.
TO THE EXTENT THAT, THAT IS LEGAL AND THE BOARD CAN AGREE TO THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BE A PART OF THE AGREEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A CONDITION PRECEDENT, BUT AT LEAST PUT THAT IN PLACE BECAUSE THAT WAS AGREED UPON AT SOME POINT.
BUT I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SEE THAT WE'RE NOT FIXING SHAKER VILLAGE'S PROBLEM.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE INTENT HERE.
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I BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT IS THAT WE SEE THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EASTSIDE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT THE CITY CAN USE FOR ALL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC.INCIDENTAL TO THAT, OF COURSE, SHAKER VILLAGE GETS TO TAKE THAT PROPERTY OFF OF YOUR TAX ROLL.
SOMEBODY HAS A PROPERTY, SOMEBODY'S BUYING IT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS RECKLESS, NEGLIGENT, WHATEVER IT IS.
HOWEVER, WE CATEGORIZE A PERSON THAT IS SELLING A PROPERTY.
THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT IS BEING SOLD, AND THERE'S A BUYER.
IN THIS CASE, THE CITY OF TAMARAC IS PURCHASING PROPERTY FROM SHAKER VILLAGE.
TO CHARACTERIZE THIS AS BAILING OUT A COMMUNITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR EVEN QUESTIONING WHAT PEOPLE, WHAT THEY'LL DO WITH THE MONEY BECAUSE OF PAST EXPERIENCES AND THAT STUFF.
I GET IT, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A BUYER.
BUT I'M AMENABLE TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
SHAKER VILLAGE THE COMMUNITY THERE, THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
MY COMMUNITY IS EXTREMELY VOCAL.
THEY ARE EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING.
WE'VE GONE DOOR-TO-DOOR, WE'VE HELD MEETINGS AT THE SITE, WE'VE HELD MEETINGS ONLINE VIA ZOOM, NOTICES HAVE GONE OUT OF PEOPLE'S DOORS.
[NOISE] THE RESIDENTS ARE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.
TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMEBODY DOES NOT KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO DOES NOT KNOW BECAUSE I'M VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY MAKING SURE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT TO COMMAND ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, SHE IS VERY ADAMANT THAT EVERYTHING THAT THE BOARD DOES AND THAT CITY PRESENTS TO THEM GOES TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS VERY ADAMANT THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS.
THAT'S HER THING, THAT'S HER TRANSPARENCY.
I REMEMBER A RECALL ONE OF THE TIMES WHEN I SAID TO HER, THE COMMUNITY HAS DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE AD NAUSEAM.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS BEFORE.
WHY GO BACK TO THEM NOW? EVEN THAT TICKED HER OFF BECAUSE SHE SAID, LISTEN, I'M GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT EVEN IF I'M BRINGING THE SAME INFORMATION TO THE RESIDENTS OVER AND OVER AND I HONOR THAT.
RESIDENTS OF SHAKER VILLAGE, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
I REMEMBER KEENLY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS AT THE VERY LAST MEETING.
THERE WERE LIKE, GET RID OF IT, THEY ARE TIRED OF IT.
TO SEE THAT THE CITY IS WILLING TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC GOOD.
THIS IS EXCITING AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING.
I TRUST THE ADVICE OF OUR ATTORNEY.
I TRUST WHAT CITY STAFF DOES AND I THINK THAT WHEN ELECTED OFFICIALS GET INTO THE WEEDS, SO TO SPEAK, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEN WHAT'S YOUR TWO SONS IN, YOU ACTUALLY GET COMMUNITIES IN TROUBLE.
HERE'S A REAL EXAMPLE, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL HERE ON THIS DAIS TOLD THE ATTORNEY OF ANOTHER ASSOCIATION,
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BERMUDA CLUB, THAT THE ASSOCIATION DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO CHANGE OUR MAILBOXES, THAT'S ON VIDEO.THE ATTORNEY IS SAYING THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL TOLD THEM THAT, COSTED THEM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS INTERJECTING OPINION THAT SEEMS IT IS LAW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF US ARE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS.
SOME OF US ARE ATTORNEYS, REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SOLD OUR HOUSE IN TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER WE ARE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT INTERJECT [NOISE] OUR OPINIONS AND MAKING THEM FACT OR LAW.
WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY, SHAKER VILLAGE HAS AN ATTORNEY.
WE HAVE STAFF FROM IVY LEAGUE UNIVERSITIES WORKING FOR THIS CITY.
LET THEM WORK, LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS.
I'M QUITE FRANKLY VERY PROUD OF STAFF AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN CAREFULLY MANEUVERING THIS LANDSCAPE AND MAKING SOUND DECISIONS.
I CAN'T WAIT FOR WEDNESDAY JUST TO BE DONE WITH IT.
HOWEVER IT GOES BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2017, A LONG TIME. IT'S 2023, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE THIS ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE NOT RUSHING. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE 2017.
IT MAY SEEM LIKE, OH, THIS IS A DEADLINE AND THAT'S THE DEADLINE, NO.
GREAT ORGANIZATIONS MAKE DEADLINES.
YOU SET DEADLINES AND YOU SET EXPECTATIONS AND YOU PUT IN MILESTONES ALONG THE WAY TO DO WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE FOR THIS.
I KNOW THE RESIDENTS ARE FOR THIS, THEY'VE BEEN WANTING THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND MAKE NO MISTAKE.
I'M VERY ACTIVE IN MY COMMUNITY.
I'M VERY ACTIVE IN MY COMMUNITY.
THERE WILL NOT EVEN BE A THOUGHT OF A RECALL IN MY COMMUNITY.
I WILL GO TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.
>> WE DON'T NEED THREATS RIGHT NOW, PLEASE.
>> IT MAY SOUND LIKE A THREAT, BUT SHAKER VILLAGE, ALL MY EASTSIDE COMMUNITIES, I MANAGE WELL.
I LEAD MY COMMUNITIES BY EXAMPLE.
I DON'T LEAVE MY RESIDENTS TO SWIM FOR THEMSELVES.
I ANSWERED YOUR PHONE CALLS, I VISIT THEM, I RESPOND TO THEIR ISSUES, I RESPOND TO EVERY COMPLAINT, I LISTENED TO EVERY COMPLIMENT.
I MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN THE KNOW, EVERY TIME, ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE BIFURCATED COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS WHERE PEOPLE GET COMMUNICATION BASED ON WHERE THEY LIVE.
THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE IN.
SHAKER VILLAGE UNDERSTANDS THAT.
I DON'T NEED HELP TELLING MY RESIDENTS WHAT THEY OUGHT TO KNOW.
SO TO THAT EXTENT OR TO THAT END, I HOPE THAT ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES SUPPORT THIS, MOVE THIS ALONG.
I'M ASKING EACH OF YOU TO HELP THE CITY MOVE THIS ALONG.
IT IS NOT A DISTRICT 1 PROJECT, IT IS THE CITY OF TAMARAC PROJECT THAT WE ALL CAN BE PROUD OF.
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I'M ASKING MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.IT IS NOT ONLY GOING TO SERVE SHAKER VILLAGE OR 100 RESIDENTS, THIS IS GOING TO ASSIST AND SERVE THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU DON'T SUPPORT, IT'S FINE, BUT AT LEAST I ASKED.
AT LEAST I'M ASKING THAT YOU STAND BY THE WORDS THAT YOU'VE HAD FOR SINCE 2017 THROUGH COMMISSIONER FISHMAN, THROUGH YOU COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
I JUST LOVE YOU. THERE'S NO HATE MY HEART FOR YOU.
LIKE YOUR SMILE IS JUST SO BEAUTIFUL ANYWAY.
IT IS WHAT IT IS. YOU TRY TO BE TERRIBLE, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY A NICE GUY DEEP DOWN SOMEWHERE INSIDE.
I'LL GIVE YOU A HUG AFTER THIS, HOW'S THAT? BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN JUST ALL PUT DIFFERENCES AND WHATEVER ASIDE AND WORK FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY.
THINK THAT THE VOTE ON WEDNESDAY IS NOT JUST THE LAST HURRAH.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF HURDLES TO JUMP OVER, RIGHT MS. CALIE? THERE'S SHARED USE AGREEMENTS, THERE'S CONDITION PRECEDENT.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE IRONED OUT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS JUST A START OF SOMETHING GREAT FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS.
SO LET'S MAKE THE EASTSIDE GREAT AGAIN. THANK YOU.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW SULTRY ONE SPEAKS OR HOW LOUD SOMEBODY SPEAKS IN ORDER TO TRY TO HAVE STAFF, MANUFACTURE WHATEVER YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I'M SORRY, I MISSED YOU AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH LISTENING TO ALL THIS, I'M LOSING IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF THIS, NO JOBS, TIRED OF THEM.
I'M TIRED OF HEARING THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOW FOR THE GREATER GOOD BY THIS LITTLE COMMUNITY THAT STARTED IN 2020 TO TALK ABOUT THE EASTSIDE PROJECTS WHEN THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2015 OR BEFORE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THE PROJECT FOR THE WATER WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THE REPIPING OF A PRIVATE COMMUNITY, WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
IT HAD TO START A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE THAT.
THE REALITY IS EVERYBODY THE CITY OF TAMARAC HAS BEEN SPENDING MONEY TO UPGRADE PRIVATE PROPERTY AGAINST PUBLIC POLICY.
NOW TO GET OUT OF SOME OF THAT LITTLE ISSUE IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY FINALLY FIX THEIR DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO ASPHALT PROPERTY THAT, AGAIN, IS NOT IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC, IT'S THE PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
WHAT WAS JUST SAID BY OUR PUBLIC SERVICES DIRECTOR IS THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO DO IT THEN BECAUSE WE OWN THE WATER.
WE'RE ON THE SEWER AND THE DRAINAGE.
GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
>> WE ALL KNOW WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM.
>> WE ALL KNOW WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND A SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEMS. DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS PRIVATE.
>> WE WENT IN THERE, WE DID OUR PIPE BURSTING, WE DID A LOT OF PATCHWORK.
WITH THAT PROJECT WE WERE GOING TO RESURFACE THE COMMUNITY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THAT COMMUNITY.
>> WE DID THE PATCHWORK, ARE YOU SAYING THE CITY OF TAMARAC AS WE DID THE WORK, CREATED PROBLEMS TO HAVE TO DO THE ASPHALT?
>> NO. WHEN YOU DO AN INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT, YOU GOT TO OPEN THE ASPHALT UP, GET DOWN TO THE PIPE, FIX THE PIPE, THEN YOU DO A RESTORATION OF THE ASPHALT SO IT'S A PATCH.
>> THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC TO USE CITY OF TAMARAC FUNDS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
>> OKAY. THEY STILL HAVE A DRAINAGE ISSUE? YES. BUT I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL HERE.
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BECAUSE THIS IS ALL COMING OUT NOW.ON THE RECORD AND WE NEEDED CLEAR OF WHERE WE SPENT FUNDS AND WHERE WE DIDN'T WHAT WILL OUR POLICY WAS ALLOWABLE AND MAY NOT BE ALLOWABLE. RIGHT?
>> THAT PART OF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DONE, BUT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS AND THE ISSUES IN SHAKER VILLAGE FOR 2015.
THE CLUBHOUSE CAME DOWN FOR A TORNADO-TYPE SITUATION.
AS YOU SAW THE PHOTOS STARTING IN MARCH 2017 WAS ALREADY HAVING ISSUES.
THE PROPERTY HASN'T BEEN UP KEPT.
THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE CONCERNS THAT I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS HAS BEEN SAYING, HOW DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT MONEY WILL BE UTILIZED FOR THINGS THAT IT NEEDS TO.
I'M NOT SAYING THE PRIOR BOARDS OR THIS CURRENT BOARD IS DOING ANYTHING WRONG.
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THEY'RE LISTENING TO COUNCIL THAT IS TELLING THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.
FORGIVE ME, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALSO BEING TOLD THINGS THAT WE WANT TO HEAR TO MAKE IT SOUND BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.
FOR WHY, IF WE SHOULD SAY YES TO THIS.
I THINK IT IS A FALSE VEIL OF PROTECTION THROUGH WHAT WE'VE DONE THIS WE'VE DONE WITH THIS, WE'VE DONE THIS, SO THIS COMMISSION CAN'T GET IN TROUBLE.
IF WE SHOULD VOTE ON SPENDING TWO MILLION DOLLARS TO A COMMUNITY FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR 5,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMUNITY CENTER WITH THE PRESUMED INTENSE, AND SAYING THAT THIS IS FOR THE GREATER GOOD AND THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, IT COMES DOWN TO $2.6 MILLION.
IS THAT REALLY THE BEST USE OF HIGHEST USE OF OUR MONEY? NOT TO MENTION, I STILL THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PURCHASE PRICE ON THIS AND WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY AT $1,000,940 IS IF WE WERE PUTTING 40 HOMES ON IT AND MAKING IT RESIDENTIAL AND SELLING IT AND THEN BE ABLE TO RECOVER COSTS.
THE IDEA OF SAYING THIS IS LIKE TAMARAC VILLAGE OR COLONY WEST, IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT EVEN APPLES TO APPLES.
WE'RE LIKE PINEAPPLE TO STRAWBERRIES, IT DOESN'T MATCH.
THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHERE THEY COME AND THEY SPEND MONEY AND THE MONEY WILL THEN GO TO RE-INVEST IN THE CITY.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE 100 YEARS TO RECOUP $24 MILLION.
IT'S GOING TO RECOUP FASTER THAN THAT.
WE'RE RECOUPING FASTER THAN THAT AT COLONY WEST RIGHT NOW.
JUST IMAGINE WHEN THAT HOTEL IS ACTUALLY OPEN THEN AND WHATEVER REVITALIZATION, WHETHER IT'S JUST PUTTING IN SOME PIPES AND BUNKERS AND WHAT NOT TO THE PLACE COURSE TO MAKE IT MORE USABLE.
IT'LL BE EVEN MORE SELF-GENERATING IF POSSIBLE, IF THAT'S EVEN ENGLISH AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE AT 4:00 O'CLOCK WITH A DAY OF SITTING HERE, WONDER ABOUT MY GRANDMA.
BUT TO COMPARE THIS CLUBHOUSE AS A MONEY GENERATOR, THIS ISN'T A MONEY GENERATOR.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC DOESN'T GENERATE MONEY ON OUR CLUBHOUSES.
WE BARELY BREAK-EVEN AND ACTUALLY WE SPEND MONEY ON ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT WE DO IN ALL OF OUR PARKS AT OUR 30,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMUNITY CENTER AND OUR 15,000 REC CENTER, NOT INCLUDING OUR MULTIPURPOSE CENTER THAT WE HAVE PUT ASIDE FOR FIXING THAT BABY UP.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
WHY IS IT GOT PUSHED ASIDE? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE NEVER-ENDING MONEY TREE.
WE'RE USING THE NEVER-ENDING MONEY TREE TO DO THIS AND TO DO OTHER THINGS.
INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, WHICH WAS PROMISED TO COMMUNITIES IN THE CITY A WHILE AGO.
I DON'T AGREE WITH UNIT OWNERS GETTING THOSE FINES REDUCED.
THAT'S NOT CLEAR IN THIS CONTRACT AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
EVEN IF I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT STANDS ON THIS CONTRACT, I AM NOT SUPPORTING IT.
IT IS NOT LIKE I DON'T CARE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY, BUT NOT TO THE TUNE OF $2.6 MILLION.
THAT'S NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF CITY DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT CAN BE PURCHASED FOR LESS AS IT USED TO BE PROMISED AND THE COMMUNITY AS I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS THEY HAVE TO ASK SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.
SELLERS USUALLY HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, OR THEY COME UP WITH A REDUCED PRICE FOR THEIR PROPERTY WHEN THEY KNOW IT'S AS IS.
THIS IS NOT AN AS IS CONTRACT FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT WE'RE GIVING IT HIGH-VALUE MONEY FOR IT.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO OUR RESIDENTS, WHICH INCLUDE [INAUDIBLE] LET'S NOT FORGET, THEY PAY THEIR TAX DOLLARS TOO.
I WAS AT A MEETING WITH SHAKER VILLAGE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN COMMUNITY.
NOT ALL OF THEM ON THAT LINE ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS HAPPEN.
FOR US TO BE TOLD THAT EVERYBODY IS FOR IT IS ALSO NOT 100% TRUE.
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WE HAD ONE COMMISSION MEETING THERE AT THE COMMUNITY IN 2019, AND WE NEVER HAD ANOTHER MEETING AGAIN.WHY WAS THIS ALLOWED TO BE DISCUSSED WITHOUT THE INPUT WITH A WHOLE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMISSION? WHY WAS THIS DONE WITH ONLY ONE PERSON? THIS IS NOT ONE PERSON'S WORLD.
TAKES THREE OF US TO VOTE ON IT AND JUST BECAUSE, FORGIVE ME, IT MAY SEEM TO THE PUBLIC THAT ONE PERSON MAY CONTROL THE DAIS, WHICH I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THERE ARE FIVE INDIVIDUAL THINKERS ON THIS DESK WAS THAT THE REASON WHY THE REST OF US WERE CUT OUT OF THESE MEETINGS, WAS THAT WHY PROMISES ARE BEING MADE TO RESIDENTS AND THEN WHEN I SAY SOMETHING BASED ON WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE, THEY DIDN'T KNOW? THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WERE TOLD.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND AGAIN, WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BIG PUSH TO GET IT ONTO THIS MEETING, WHAT IS THE RUSH? WE'VE BEEN BUDGETING ALL ALONG ANYWAY.
IF IT'S THAT GRAND OF AN IDEA WHY ARE WE NOT CONTINUING WHAT WE'RE DOING? ALSO ONE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE IF THIS BECOMES A CITY PROPERTY, HOW MUCH MONEY IS NOW COMING OFF THE TAX ROLLS FOR THE PROPERTY? HOW MUCH IN TAXES WILL THE CITY NOW RECEIVE?
>> IT'S A COMMON AREA PROPERTY.
WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT RECEIVING ANY TAXES.
>> WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY TAXES FOR IT.
BUT DOES IT GO INTO THE VALUATION OF THE RESIDENTS' PROPERTY WHEN THEY GET APPRAISED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER?
>> IT PROBABLY DOES, BUT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE CITY IS NOT COLLECTING TAXES.
THERE'S ZERO TAXES THAT'S BEING COLLECTED.
>> UNDERSTOOD. BUT THEN AT THE SAME TOKEN, HAVE WE CHECKED WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IF BY CHANCE THIS SHOULD GO THROUGH ON HOW IT VALUES THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW TAKING AWAY PART OF THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE AGAIN, I REMIND YOU WHETHER OTHER ATTORNEYS AGREE OR NOT, FLORIDA STATUTE IS VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS AN UNDIVIDED INTEREST IN THE COMMON ELEMENT TO EACH UNIT OWNER.
IT IS IN EVERY SINGLE DEED, WHETHER IT'S WRITTEN OUT OR NOT, AND IT'S PART OF THEIR PROPERTIES THAT THEY GET APPRAISED VALUE FOR.
ANOTHER ITEM WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR BUT YET YOU WANT US TO SIGN A CONTRACT JUST BECAUSE WE CAN SIGN A CONTRACT AND MAYBE GET OUT OF IT IN 60 DAYS OR MAYBE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION IN 60 DAYS AND CONTINUE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE ON OUR PART.
THIS PROPERTY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RED TAG AND IT WAS NOT RED TAGGED.
WONDER WHAT OTHER INTERVENTIONS WERE PULLED.
I'M ALSO CURIOUS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THESE THINGS.
WHY WERE THE OTHER OPTIONS NOT SUCCESSFUL? THE OTHER OPTIONS OF DOING A163, AND HAVING THE COMMUNITY INTO A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY MENTIONED IT IN THEIR COMMUNITY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT.
BUT SINCE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE BENEFIT OF BEING INCLUDED IN THESE CONVERSATIONS OR BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT WAS GIVEN TO THE RESIDENTS TO DETERMINE WHY THEY DIDN'T GET IT OR DON'T, IT DOESN'T WORK.
HOW COME THAT ISN'T PART OF THIS CONVERSATION? WE GO OUT FOR OUTREACH AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
HOW COME THERE WASN'T OUTREACH WITH US INCLUDED? OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT GOING TO GET AN ANSWER.
YOU WANT TO ANSWER, GO FOR IT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I'M JUST FEELING THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF, LET'S JUST MAKE OUR LIVES EASIER AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND DO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR SOMEBODY GETTING MAD AT US FOR IT.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INCOME LEVELS ON THE ''EASTSIDE OF TOWN'' FOR DISTRICT 1 OR DISTRICT 2, LET'S JUST KEEP IN MIND AND SOMETHING I'VE ASKED FOR AS WELL HASN'T BEEN RECEIVED.
WHEN YOU DO THE CENSUS, THE CENSUS LUMPS 33309, IT LUMPS 33319, 33308.
WE SHARE THOSE ZIP CODES WITH OTHER CITIES.
I'VE ASKED ABOUT HOW MANY KIDS WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN DISTRICT 1, IT HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE PROVIDED, NOT SURE WHY.
WE CAN'T GET CERTAIN INFORMATION TO MAKE EDUCATED DECISIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE PUTTING ALL THIS EFFORT INTO A CLUBHOUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE UTILIZED FOR AFTERCARE AND PROGRAMMING.
DO WE AT LEAST EVEN KNOW HOW MANY KIDS LIVE IN SHAKER VILLAGE?
>> WE ALSO DON'T KNOW THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE SERVING.
ALL WE KNOW IS THAT THERE'S AN EYESORE, A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON OUR COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF TAMARAC SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO COME BAIL YOU OUT, THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.
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I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, NO, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING ALL THE RIGHT WORDS TO MAKE IT BE FOR PUBLIC POLICY AND MAXINE, YOU KNOW, I LOVE YOU AND I LOVE OUR STAFF, BUT I CANNOT SEE.BUT MY LOVE FOR HER IS WHENEVER ALWAYS VERSUS WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT.
THE THING IS, IT DOESN'T MATTER, THIS IS NOT ABOUT LOVE, THIS IS NOT PERSONAL, THIS IS A BUSINESS DECISION AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING INTELLIGENT BUSINESS DECISIONS.
NOT BECAUSE WE'RE FRIENDS WITH SOMEBODY ON A DAIS, NOT BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID WHATEVER ON THE DAIS FOR WHOMEVER, NOT BECAUSE CITY STAFF DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE HARPING ON THEM ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY AND JUST MAYBE IT'S EASIER TO JUST DO.
IT'S BACK TO BASICS EVERYBODY.
IS THIS THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE PUBLIC POLICY AND THE PUBLIC PRECEDENT THAT WE ARE SETTING ON TOP OF THE FACT, THERE ARE SOME LEGAL ISSUES GOING ON HERE? WHO'S GOING TO DETERMINE IF THIS THING SHOULD GO THROUGH? WHO DETERMINES WHO IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND MAKE THE NEGOTIATIONS ON THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT? WHO'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION?
>> IT'S CITY STAFF AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE SOMETHING TO PRESENT, WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
>> CITY STAFF, NOBODY ON THE COMMISSION THEN?
OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR EVALUATION.
>> BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING HAS BEEN PREDICATED ON ONE PERSON ON THIS DAIS DOING ALL THE NEGOTIATIONS ON BEHALF OF BOTH SIDES.
I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT HAS BEEN PROPER AND RIGHT AND HAS NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT.
WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SOME OF US HAD TO BRING IT UP AT A COMMISSION BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT A CONTRACT HAD BEEN PUT OUT A WEEK PLUS BEFORE THAT NOBODY HERE KNEW ABOUT, EXCEPT MAYBE ONE PERSON ON THE DAIS.
THERE'S SOME ISSUES HERE WITH THE PROPRIETY OF THIS PROCESS.
[NOISE] WHEN DO WE TALK ABOUT THIS PURCHASE PRICE? OR WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE IT LAY IN THE AIR LIKE IT'S STILL SOMETHING?
>> YOU HAVE A PROPOSED PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF YOU, SO I SUSPECT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW OR ON WEDNESDAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU.
>> DOES ANYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION, OTHER THAN MYSELF HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH A PURCHASE PRICE OF THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF $1,000,940 FOR THIS PROPERTY?
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I PERSONALLY DO, AND I THINK EVERYONE HERE SHOULD TOO.
1.94, I'M REPEATING MYSELF NOW, THEY RECEIVED $400,000 IN THEIR INSURANCE CLAIM.
WHY AREN'T THEY NOT PLAYING THAT UP FOR ACTUALLY REDUCING THE PRICE BASED ON THAT? IT'S NOT IN THEIR BUDGET.
I HAVE THEIR BUDGET RIGHT HERE AND ACTUALLY, EVERYBODY IN HERE ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE A REASON NOT TO, BECAUSE I FORWARD IT TO EVERYBODY A LONG TIME AGO.
THEY DON'T CLAIM THE INSURANCE MONEY HERE.
LIENS, THE MAYOR JUST MENTIONED $12 MILLION IN LIENS, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO WAIVE ALL THAT.
FOR ME, AT 1.94 MILLION PLUS THE ADDITIONAL $6-9 MILLION TO BUILD THE FACILITY, WHY ARE WE PAYING FULL PRICE? THAT'S MY ISSUE. IT'S NOT A BRAND-NEW HOUSE, BUT YOU'RE PAYING IT FULL PRICE.
IT'S NOT A BRAND-NEW CAR THAT YOU'RE PAYING FULL PRICE.
LITERALLY, THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE.
I MEAN, FINE, YOU GUYS WANT TO SELL IT TO US AS A GREATER RECKONING, IN FACT NOT TO.
[LAUGHTER] STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY AND COMMISSIONER BOLTON WANT TO SELL IT TO US FOR THE GREATER GOOD, BUT YET WE'RE STILL PAYING AND GETTING RIPPED OFF AFTER STILL DOING WORK FOR THEM, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WORK FOR THEM FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST REPEATING OURSELVES.>> JUST EVEN TAKING IT OUT THAT, WHEN WE BOUGHT COLONY WEST, WE BOUGHT HOW MANY ACRES IS COLONY WEST? 77 PLUS 92?
>> IT'S LIKE 123, SO CLOSE TO 200 ACRES.
>> TWO HUNDRED ACRES AT $3 MILLION, IT WAS A SHORT SALE.
BECAUSE OF ALL THAT WE HAD TO PUT INTO IT TO MAKE IT BETTER, AND ALL THE MONEY WE WERE SAVING.
>> CAN YOU SEE THE PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC POLICY ON THIS ONE? WE PAID $3 MILLION FOR, WAS IT LIKE 112 ACRES?
>> IT'S ACTUALLY JUST BELOW 200.
[1.d TR13959 - A Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, approving the projects recommended for inclusion in the Fiscal Year 2023/2024 Annual Action Plan for expenditure of the Community Development Block Grant Funds estimated to be $497,807 for the twenty fourth program year, attached hereto as Exhibit “A”; authorizing the appropriate City Officials to submit said Annual Action Plan and related documents to the United States Department of Housing and UrbanDevelopment; authorizing the Mayor or appropriate City Officials to execute Fiscal Year 2023-2024 Annual Action Plan federal application for funding; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]
>> LET'S JUST CALL IT 195 ACRES AT $3 MILLION.
I'M NOT DOING THE MATH RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU COULD DO THE MATH, HOW MUCH DOES THAT EQUAL TO? A 2.53-ACRE PROPERTY AND THAT IS MONEY THAT WE'RE RECOUPING.
AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO PAY FULL VALUE, FULL PRICE, FULL EVERYTHING, AND REMOVE ALL THE LIENS, AND LET THERE BE A COMPLETELY UNFETTERED USE AGREEMENT, AND BUILD THE CLUBHOUSE AND STAFF IT ALL.
IF THIS IS STILL THOUGHT OF AS INTELLIGENT DECISION ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND FOR BEING FIDUCIARILY RESPONSIBLE, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
YOU'RE GOOD. WELL, CARDS ARE ON THE TABLE.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO DECISIONS BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE WILLING TO SHARE IT ON THE LINE.
WE WILL MOVE IT ALONG TO THE NEXT ITEM.
OH, I TAKE THAT BACK. REMEMBER, EVEN THE LOWEST USE FOR JUST THAT LITTLE PROPERTY THE COST WILL BE IS 1,250,000 NOT 1,000,940.
THAT'S THE KISS OF DEATH, WHENEVER WE SAY SOMETHING WON'T BE LONG.
SO SORRY BUT WE'RE AT 1D TR13959, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA APPROVING THE PROJECTS RECOMMENDED FOR INCLUSION IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN FOR EXPENDITURE OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS ESTIMATED TO BE $497,807 FOR THE '24 PROGRAM YEAR ATTACHED HERE TOO AS EXHIBIT A, AUTHORIZING THE APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO SUBMIT SAID ANNUAL ACTION PLAN AND RELATED DOCUMENTS IN THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR OR APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, FEDERAL APPLICATION FOR FUNDING, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
PRESENTATION BY MS. MAXINE CALLOWAY, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE THAT SURE TO SPEAK FROM YOURS.
>> LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT, BUT YOU'VE SAID IT MAYOR IN THE READING OF THE TITLE.
THIS IS OUR ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.
WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR FOR SUBMISSION TO HUD AS A PART OF THE CDBG FUNDS THAT THE CITY COLLECTS.
IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA.
THAT'S WHY THIS SLIDE SAYS JULY 12TH, 7:00 PM PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOU TO SOLICIT COMMENTS ON THE ACTION PLAN ON WEDNESDAY.
JUST SOME PROGRAM HISTORY AND PRIMARY OBJECTIVE, THE CDBG PROGRAM WAS AUTHORIZED IN 1974, AND THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO DEVELOP VIABLE URBAN COMMUNITIES.
THE VIABLE COMMUNITIES ARE ACHIEVED BY PROVIDING PRINCIPALLY FOR PERSONS OF LOW AND MODERATE-INCOME, WHICH IS ERRAND MEDIUM, 80% OF ERRAND MEDIUM OR BELOW.
WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IS DECENT HOUSING, SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT, AND EXPANDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC IS A FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
WITHIN THAT FIVE-YEAR PLAN, IT DESCRIBES THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND OUR RESOURCE.
IT ALSO DESCRIBES OUR PRIORITIES AND OUR PROPOSED ACTIVITIES.
THEN EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO BRING TO YOU AN ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, AND THAT ACTION PLAN DESCRIBES A SPECIFIC PLANNING THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE PROGRAMS. FISCAL YEAR 2023 IS THE FOURTH YEAR OF OUR 2020-2024 FIVE-YEAR ACTION PLAN, SO WE HAVE THE CONPLAN AND THEN THE ACTION PLAN IS AN ANNUAL PLAN.
OUR PRIORITY AND NEEDS, AS DESCRIBED IN OUR CONSOLIDATED PLAN,
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IS LISTED ON THIS SLIDE.PRIORITY 1 IS PUBLIC SERVICES AND QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS AND PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS DESCRIBED AS OUR PRIORITY, AND OUR GOALS, SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR LOW AND MODERATE-INCOME PEOPLE AND SPECIAL NEEDS AND PRESERVATION OF EXISTING HOMEOWNER HOUSING.
YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT IN THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO FUND.
THE CDBG, AS MENTIONED BY THE MAYOR, THIS YEAR IS 497,807, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S ONE OF OUR HIGHEST ALLOCATION.
IN 2020, 417; IN 2021, 398; AND IN 2022, 443.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FOR THE NEXT PROGRAM YEAR.
THIS IS THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE ACTION PLAN.
TOTAL 497,807, THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION, THIS IS TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM, 20%, CDBG PUBLIC SERVICES, 15%, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WE WERE PROPOSING A NEW PROGRAM FOR PUBLIC SERVICES IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE'VE HEARD, THE COMMISSION ASKS FOR.
THE HOUSING REHAB WHICH IS THE BIGGEST EXPENSE OF OUR PROGRAM.
THIS MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM IS 323,575.
THE PUBLIC SERVICE PROGRAM, WHICH I MENTIONED, WHICH IS 74,671, PREVIOUS PARTNER IS MEALS ON WHEELS, WHICH WE PLAN ON PARTNERING WITH AS WELL.
VOICES FOR CHILDREN WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH, AND WOMEN IN DISTRESS WE CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH.
YOU'VE AUTHORIZED US TO USE SOME OF THE FUNDS FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] TO CONTINUE THAT PARTNERSHIP.
THEN THIS YEAR FOR NEXT PROGRAM WHERE WE WANT A EXPANSION OF PUBLIC SERVICES, WE WANT TO EXPLORE A NEW SAFETY PROGRAM WITH THE RING CAMERA TO ENHANCE SECURITY IN THE COMMUNITY.
AT YOUR LAST RETREAT, WE TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING SUCH A PROGRAM TO RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP WITH THE SAFETY COMPONENT OR ASPECT THAT WE'RE SEEING THROUGHOUT VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE PROPOSED PUBLIC SERVICE BUDGET THEN WOULD BE THE MEALS ON WHEELS, WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH VOICES FOR CHILDREN, AND THEN THE RING CAMERA SAFETY PROGRAM, WE'RE PROPOSING $25,000 AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEIR PROGRAM WOULD OPERATE, PARTNERING WITH THE MANUFACTURER JUST TO SEE HOW WE WOULD DISTRIBUTE THOSE RING CAMERAS.
FOR THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION,
[1.e TR13979 - A Resolution of the city commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, authorizing the appropriate city officials to award RFP 23-22r and execute an agreement with Beefree, LLC, dba Freebee for the provision of on-demand rideshare services for a three (3)-year contract at a fixed amount not to exceed $1,049,992.30, plus a contingency in the amount of $105,000.00 for a total three (3) year budget of $1,154,992.30; providing for the extension and renewal of the agreements or approval of assignments and other amendments to the agreements by the City Manager or appropriate city officials; authorizing the appropriation of funds; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing an effective date.]
IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE PROGRAM.WE TOOK IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON JUNE 7TH, THAT'S WHEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING OCCURRED.
THEN THERE'S A 30-DAY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WHERE WE WAIT FOR THE COMMENT TO COME IN AND TO GIVE US COMMENTS ON THE PLAN THAT'S GOING TO END JULY 12TH WHEN YOU HOPEFULLY ADOPT THIS AND THEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL HAPPEN 7:00 PM, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TRANSMIT IT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, TO HUD.
THESE ARE JUST THE IMPORTANT DATES, PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 7TH, OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FROM JUNE 7TH TO JULY 12TH, WHICH IS WHEN IT ENDS AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, AND THEN WE SUBMIT TO HUD ON OR BEFORE AUGUST 16, 2023.
AS PROMISED, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
IT WAS QUICK. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S IT.
>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION, MS. MAXINE, ON THE RING.
IT'S GOING TO BE ALSO WITH BSO INVOLVEMENT.
BUT RING CAMERA HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY PROGRAMS, AND SO I BELIEVE BSO HAS SOME PARTNERSHIPS ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
>> YEAH, THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY AFFAIRS OR OUR PROGRAM AS WELL.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER HOW THE PROGRAM WILL WORK.
>> WHEN YOU DO SO, YOU'LL LET US KNOW IF IT'S USED IN OTHER AREAS AND THE EFFECTIVENESS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU ARE WELCOME TO LEAVE THAT SEAT UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT TO SIT THERE, [LAUGHTER] IT SEEMS LIKE I'M OUT OF HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WELCOME YOU BACK TO YOUR SEAT AND THEN WE WELCOME JASON SPIEGEL, MANAGING PARTNER FREEBEE, ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE GIVEN BY GREG WARNER PARK AND RECREATION DIRECTOR OF ITEM 1E TR13979, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY, COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO AWARD RFP 23-22R AND EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH BEEFREE, LLC, DBA FREEBEE FOR PROVISION OF ON-DEMAND RIDESHARE SERVICES FOR THREE YEAR CONTRACT.
THE FIXED AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED ONE MILLION $49,992 AND 30 CENTS.
SEE, I'M CAPABLE, PLUS A CONTINGENCY IN THE AMOUNT OF 105,000 FOR A TOTAL OF THREE YEAR BUDGET OF ONE MILLION $154,992 AND 30 CENTS.
PROVIDED FOR THE EXTENSION AND RENEWAL OF AGREEMENT OR APPROVAL OF ASSIGNMENTS AND OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE AGREEMENTS BY THE CITY MANAGER FOR APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS.
AUTHORIZING THE APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
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GENTLEMEN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.>> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
GREG WARNER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
>> JASON SPIEGEL, MANAGING PARTNER OF FREEBEE.
>> BEFORE I GET STARTED, I DO WANT TO SHARE SOME POSITIVE NEWS FOR EVERYBODY THAT PEOPLE DO WANT TO COME TO OUR 60TH ANNIVERSARY BIRTHDAY PARTY ON THE 19TH.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 125 SIGNED UP THROUGH EVENTBRITE AND WE HAVE 75 SIGNED UP FROM IN-PERSON AND WE JUST OPEN IT UP FOR 50 MORE PEOPLE TO SIGN UP IN-PERSON.
WE'LL HAVE A NICE CROWD THERE FOR THE 19TH, SO I HOPE YOU WILL JOINING US.
AS YOU READ MAYOR, THE TITLE, THIS IS TO AWARD RFP 23-22R AND EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH BEEFREE AND LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY, AND THEY DO BUSINESS AS FREEBEE.
IN MY PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO USE FREEBEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
ONE THING I WANT TO CRACK UP FRONT WITH THE TITLE AND THAT'S AN OLD TITLE, WE UPPED THE CONTINGENCY $250,000, $50,000 PER YEAR FOR THE THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT.
NOW, I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN MY PRESENTATION.
WHAT A BIT OF HISTORY AND BACKGROUND ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
WE CURRENTLY OFFER FIXED ROUTE AND PARATRANSIT TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.
THE FIXED ROUTE IS OFFERED THROUGH AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BROWARD COUNTY.
BROWARD COUNTY DOES REIMBURSE THE CITY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE COST FOR THE ROUTE SYSTEM.
WE CURRENTLY RUN THE RED ROUTE ON THE EASTERN SIDE INTO CENTRAL TAMARAC MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 7:00 AM UNTIL 7:0 P.M AND THE RED ROUTE EXTENSION RUNS TWO DAYS PER WEEK, FROM 9:00-5:00 ON A LESSER USED PORTION OF THE CITY OUT LAST.
PARATRANSIT IS A DOOR TO DOOR MEMBERSHIP SERVICE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE UNABLE TO DRIVE AND THAT IS FUNDED FULLY THROUGH THE CITY BUDGET.
SOME OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WE TRANSPORT THESE INDIVIDUALS TO, WE TRANSPORT THEM DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE AGAIN TO MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS, PHARMACIES, GROCERY SHOPPING, ALSO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING WITH THE PARATRANSIT SYSTEM, WE HAVE HAD A DECREASE IN MEMBERSHIP.
MEMBERSHIP WE ARE CLOSE TO 200 MEMBERS IN 2015 AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 140.
OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, IT'S RANGED IN 130S TO AROUND 140 INDIVIDUALS.
SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WE SEE BEHIND THAT, THE AVERAGE RESIDENT AGE IS BECOMING A LITTLE YOUNGER BUT LIMITED DESTINATION.
BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY GO TO THOSE FOUR LOCATIONS, SOME INDIVIDUALS IN TAMARAC HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO WHETHER IT'S THE BEAUTY SALON, WHETHER IT'S THE GYM, THOSE TYPES OF THING.
THE DESTINATIONS ARE LIMITED WITH THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
LET'S BE FRANK, THERE'S SOME MORE CONVENIENT OPTIONS AVAILABLE THESE DAYS WITH TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
WE HAVE SEEN AS WELL AS WITH ALL OF OUR TEMPORARY STAFF, OUR PART-TIME STAFF.
WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN DRIVER VACANCIES AND STAFF TURNOVER WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION DIVISION, SO THAT'S ALSO BEEN A CHALLENGE.
WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW RECREATION STAFF DRIVING PARATRANSIT ROUTES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS FILLINGS AS NEEDED AND THE COSTS FOR PARATRANSIT CONTINUE TO RISE AS EVERYTHING ELSE DOES.
I TOLD HER THE SIGN MEETING CHALLENGES ENHANCING SERVICES.
STAFF GOT TOGETHER LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN ENHANCE OUR SERVICES TO ALL OF OUR RESONANCE AS WELL AS OUR PARATRANSIT CUSTOMERS WHILE LOOKING AT ALL THESE OPTIONS, CONTINUING TO MEET THE CHALLENGES, AND ALSO CONTINUING TO SERVE OUR VULNERABLE POPULATIONS.
WE'RE NOT FORGETTING ABOUT ANYBODY WITH THIS.
ON DEMAND RIDESHARE SERVICE COVERING ALL LOCATIONS WITHIN CITY LIMITS IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE LOOKED AND SAW THAT AS BEING THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR WHERE WE WANTED TO BE.
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THESE ARE ALL PART OF THE SERVICE THAT FREEBEE WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE CITY, ENVIRONMENTALLY-FRIENDLY ELECTRIC AND/OR HYBRID VEHICLES.CURRENTLY WE WOULD HAVE THREE TESLAS AND ONE HYBRID VAN SERVICING.
WE WOULD ALSO ADD SERVICES, CURRENT PARATRANSIT WORKS FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM NINE O'CLOCK UNTIL FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
WE WOULD BE ADDING SOME SATURDAY SERVICE AND WE'VE HEARD THIS FOR YEARS FROM SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS WORKING INTO THE EVENING PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.
AGAIN, WE FEEL THAT THIS SERVICE SERVES AS OUR PARATRANSIT CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS SERVING THE GENERAL POPULATION, THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
WE'RE TAKING THAT A STEP FURTHER, SO ANYBODY IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS SERVICE WHILE WE CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR VULNERABLE POPULATION AND OUR PARATRANSIT CUSTOMERS.
WITH THAT, THE CITY ISSUE THE RFP SEEKING PROPOSALS TO PROVIDE ON DEMAND TRANSPORTATION SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WE HAD THREE FIRMS SUBMIT PROPOSALS FOR THIS RFP.
OBVIOUSLY BEEFREE, LLC, CIRCUIT TRANSPORTATION INCORPORATED AND PROKEL MOBILITY.
EACH OF THE THREE PROPOSERS CAME IN AND DID AN IN-PERSON PRESENTATION TO THE SELECTION AND EVALUATION COMMITTEE IN THE CITY AND THE COMMITTEE EVALUATE IT AND SAW BEEFREE AND FREEBEE BEING THE COMPANY BEST ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY.
FREEBEE HAS BEEN PROVIDING SERVICE IN SOUTH FLORIDA SINCE 2012.
GOOD SOUTH FLORIDA EXPERIENCE IN OPERATING ELECTRIC ON-DEMAND SERVICE, STRONG CUSTOMER SERVICE AND LOCAL BUSINESS FOCUS.
NOW I'M GOING TO LET JASON TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT BUSINESS FOCUS IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PUSH THAT THEY CAN HELP OUT WITH.
WE'VE RECEIVED POSITIVE REFERENCES FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
ONE OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA CITIES THAT THEY SERVE AS AVENTURA.
LEVEL OF SERVICE HAS BEEN EXCELLENT.
RESPONDS QUICKLY TO CONCERNS AND RESOLVES MATTERS FAST.
MIAMI BEACH, VERY SATISFIED WITH SERVICE QUALITY, RELIABILITY, PERSONNEL, AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
THEY JUST EXECUTED A NEW FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH FREEBEE.
FURTHER SERVICE DETAILS, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
A THREE TESLA VEHICLES TO HOLD A MINIMUM FOUR RIDERS.
ONE HYBRID TOYOTA SIENNA VAN WHICH IS ADA, CAPABLE TO HOLD A MINIMUM OF SEVEN RIDERS.
AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT, THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT VAN ON THE ROAD DURING ALL SERVICE HOURS SO THAT THERE IS ADA CAPABILITIES IN THAT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AT ALL TIMES.
SUPPLY, PERMIT, INSTALL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, SO THE COMPANY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO TAKE ALL THE STEPS NECESSARY TO PURCHASE AND INSTALL, ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS FOR THE VEHICLES.
HIRING, TRAINING, SUPERVISION OF DRIVERS AND STAFF, DEDICATED MOBILE APP FOR RESERVING RIDES.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE PLACED IN THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE A CALL CENTER TO RESERVE BY PHONE WITH THE ABILITY TO SCHEDULE UP TO FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE.
THAT GOES BACK TO THE PARATRANSIT CUSTOMERS, WE WANT THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WHEN THEY MAKE THAT DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, OR THEY HAVE THAT MEDICAL APPOINTMENT, OR NEED TO GO GROCERY SHOPPING THAT THEY CAN GET THAT SCHEDULE AND HAVE THAT ON THEIR CALENDAR.
ALSO AS OUR DRIVERS CURRENTLY DO THE DRIVERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ASSIST OUR SENIOR RIDERS OR ANY RIDER THAT IS IN NEED WITH BAGS FROM THE GROCERY STORE, GETTING OUT OF THE VEHICLES, INTO THEIR HOUSE.
THOSE TYPES OF THINGS UPON REQUEST.
THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE LOCATIONS FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE CHARGING STATIONS AND WHAT WE FORESEE.
THIS AGREEMENT IS PROOF AND WE'LL BE SITTING DOWN WITH FREEBEE TO WORK ALL THIS OUT, BUT IT'S SEEN THAT THE VEHICLES WOULD PROBABLY BE LOCATED OVERNIGHT AT THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMPLEX THUS HAVING A CHARGING STATIONS AT THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMPLEX AS WELL AND THEN ALSO ASSIST WITH PROMOTION OF THIS SERVICE.
I WANT TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU.
THIS IS WHAT THE AGREEMENT AND THEIR PREVIOUS PROPOSAL WAS BASED ON,
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BUT THEM BEING THE PROFESSIONALS. IF AGREEMENT IS APPROVED, WE WILL SIT DOWN WITH JASON AND HIS STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE THE BEST HOURS TO SERVICE OUR RESIDENTS AND THE BEST HOURS TO GET THE MOST RESPONSE FROM THE COMMUNITY.THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I TALKED ABOUT THE CONTINGENCY OF $50,000 PER YEAR.
THAT'S ONE REASON WE PUT THIS IN HERE.
SO IF WE START THE SYSTEM WITH THREE VEHICLES OR FOUR VEHICLES ON THE ROAD AND WE FIND THAT WE HAVE A DEMAND, WE NEED ANOTHER VEHICLE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCREASE THE SERVICE A LITTLE BIT OR INCREASE THE HOURS, ADJUST THE HOURS AS WE SEE AS WE GO FORWARD.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LEARNING PROCESS FOR US.
SO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, TO CONTINUE TO MEET THE SCHEDULING NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS.
WITH ANYTHING NEW, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME TRANSITION IMPACTS.
I TALKED ABOUT THIS AS BEING A REPLACEMENT FOR OUR CURRENT PARATRANSIT SYSTEM.
ONE OF THE IMPACTS IS THAT THERE WILL BE A REDUCTION IN CITY TRANSPORTATION PERSONNEL POSITIONS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE WORKED AND WE'VE SPOKEN EXTENSIVELY WITH JASON ABOUT IN THE AGREEMENT, IT DICTATES THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE PREFERENCE FOR INTERVIEWING OUR STAFF FOR THE VACANT POSITIONS AND THINGS.
WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING OUT, DISCUSSING AND JASON'S HAD A FEW IDEAS AS FAR AS OFFERING COMPARABLE PAYMENT RATES AS THEY CURRENTLY HAVE WITH THE CITY.
FREEBEE DOES ALSO OFFER BENEFITS TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AS WELL.
AS PRESENTED, THE DRIVERS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH FREEBEE.
THE CURRENT ANNUAL COST OF CITY OPERATED PARATRANSIT TOTALS AND THIS INCLUDES STAFFING, IT INCLUDES THE ADMINISTRATION, THE VEHICLES, THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, GAS, ALL OF THAT IS CURRENTLY AT $340,000 PER YEAR.
ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT IS VEHICLE MAINTENANCE COST.
SO EACH YEAR INSURANCE OF THE ABOVE AND THEN PARATRANSIT THE REVENUE OVER FISCAL YEAR 22.
AS I SPOKE THAT THE PROGRAM IS A MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM.
IT'S A NOMINAL $6,500 THAT WAS RECEIVED AT THAT TIME.
SO BUDGETARILY IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT AMOUNT IN FISCAL YEAR 24 WILL GO TOWARDS THIS CONTRACT, THAT AMOUNT THAT IS MADE UP BY THE PARATRANSIT COSTS.
SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE ON-DEMAND RIDESHARE SERVICE.
REDUCE ONE PASSENGER VEHICLES ON THE ROADS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT WITH DEVELOPMENT, WITH TRAFFIC WITHIN THE CITY TRYING TO REDUCE THOSE ONE PASSENGER VEHICLES.
REDUCE CARBON EMISSIONS INTO THE ENVIRONMENT WITH THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
DOOR-TO-DOOR SERVICE THROUGHOUT CITY LIMITS.
SO NOT RESTRICTING THE LOCATIONS THAT PEOPLE CAN GO TO WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
EXPANDED SERVICE WITH EVENING AND WEEKEND HOURS.
ALSO THE CITY HAS SUBMITTED A PROGRAMS SERVICE GRANT APPLICATION WITH FDOT AND WITH THAT GRANT APPLICATION, THEY WILL BE HEARING LATER THIS SUMMER AS TO WHETHER APPROVED OR NOT.
BUT THAT GRANT APPLICATION WOULD COVER HALF THE OPERATING COSTS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, BUT THAT WOULD START IN JULY OF '24, NOT THIS JULY IF WE ARE APPROVED.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS FREEBEE OPERATES A SERVICE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS AROUND THE SAWGRASS AREA MALL IN SUNRISE, WITH ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS.
WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET WITH CITY OF SUNRISE AND TRY TO WORK OUT A POSSIBLE MEET LOCATION, WHERE OUR VEHICLES CAN MEET WITH ONE OF THEIR VEHICLES.
THAT WOULD TAKE OUR RESIDENTS A LITTLE BIT EXPANDED INTO SUNRISE,
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INTO THE SAWGRASS MALL, ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS, THE ARENA, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.SO WE CAN WORK ON A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT LIKE THAT WITH THEM.
THE AGREEMENT TERMS THE CONTRACTOR BEEFREE LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY DOING BUSINESS WITH FREEBEE, IT WOULD BE A THREE-YEAR TERM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THE AGREEMENT AMOUNT WILL BE BUDGETED EACH YEAR BASED UPON PROJECTED NUMBER OF, EXCUSE ME, VEHICLES AND HOURS USED.
RIGHT NOW THE ANTICIPATED AMOUNT FOR THIS FIRST YEAR WOULD BE $350,000, JUST A LITTLE BIT BELOW OR $1,049,992 OVER THE THREE-YEAR TERM.
AS I'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE WORKED IN A $50,000 PER YEAR OR $150,000 CONTINGENCY FOR A TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET OF $399,997 OR $1,199,992 OVER THREE YEARS.
IF THE AGREEMENT IS APPROVED ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, WE WOULD PROVIDE FREEBEE WITH A NOTICE TO PROCEED.
SO WE WOULDN'T NEED A BUDGET APPROPRIATION TO TAKE US THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
THE REASON WE WOULD WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT NOTICE TO PROCEED IS THAT THEY NEED TO GET THE PERMITTING THE CHARGING STATIONS INSTALLED, AS WELL AS GETTING STAFF HIRED AND TRAINED IN THROUGH ALL THEIR PROCESSES.
WHAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, THE AGREEMENT WITH THIS AND WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND THERE WERE A FEW REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE ON FRIDAY IN YOUR AGREEMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED.
I DON'T KNOW. KIM, DID THEY RECEIVE A NEW AGREEMENT? COPY OF A NEW AGREEMENT. SO THERE WAS A NEW AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF YOU.
SOME NOT REALLY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, BUT SOME CHANGES OPERATIONALLY IN THE AGREEMENT.
ORIGINALLY YOU WERE GIVEN AN HOURLY RATE FOR A TESLA AND WE ARE GIVEN AN HOURLY RATE FOR THE VAN.
INSTEAD OF HAVING THOSE TWO RATES, WHAT WE GOT PER HOUR IS A BLENDED RATE OF $39.36.
DON'T TELL JASON US, BUT THE CITY MAKES OUT ACTUALLY ON THAT IN THE AVERAGE.
SO THE AVERAGE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS IN THE AGREEMENT IS THAT THE CONTRACTOR WILL NEED TO PROVIDE A HIGHER LEVEL OF INSURANCE AT ANY TIME THE CITY SEES THAT THE SERVICES PROVIDED MAY DICTATE THAT.
SO WHAT WAS ASKED FOR AND THE CITY OF AGREED IS THAT THE CITY WILL COVER AS A PASS-THROUGH COST AFTER THE AGREEMENT IS SIGNED IF WE DO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INSURANCE.
SO THEY WOULD INVOICE THE CITY AND THE CITY WOULD COVER THAT AS A PASS-THROUGH COST.
AND THEN TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THE CITY DID NOT PROVIDE THE CONTRACTOR A CLAUSE FOR TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE.
SO IT WAS AGREED UPON, THE CONTRACTOR REQUESTED AND THE CITY AGREED TO A MUTUAL TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE.
THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE 45 DAYS NOTICE TO THE CONTRACTOR.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE NORMALLY DO, BUT BASED UPON THE INVESTMENT THAT THE COMPANY WOULD BE MAKING IN THE CHARGING STATIONS, THE HIRING OF STAFF, ALL THAT, WE FELT 45 DAYS WAS APPROPRIATE, AND THE CONTRACTOR FOR CONVENIENCE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THE CITY 180 DAYS NOTICE TO ALLOW THE CITY TO PROCURE A NEW CONTRACT AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THE TIMELINE AS I TALKED ABOUT, WE PROVIDE A NOTICE TO PROCEED UPON CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL AND THE TIMELINE FOR LOGISTICS STAFF HIRING, AS I TALKED ABOUT, CHARGER, INSTALLATION AMONG OTHERS, STAGING ITEMS APPROXIMATELY 60-90 DAYS.
WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IS A START DATE OF APPROXIMATELY OCTOBER 15TH OF 2023.
WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS THEN COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST QUICKLY.
ARE SOME GYMS CONSIDERED MEDICAL FACILITIES LIKE REHAB CENTERS?
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>> FOR OUR PARATRANSIT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> FOR CITY PARATRANSIT IF IT'S CONSIDERED PHYSICAL THERAPY THOSE TYPES OF THING, YES.
>> OKAY. AS FAR AS CHARGING STATIONS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SHARED WITH CITY VEHICLES AS WELL IF THE CITY SHALL ONE DAY ACQUIRE ELECTRICAL VEHICLES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FREEBEE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH?
>> WE DO DO THAT IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
WE WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE WHEN THE CAR IS NOT THE CHARGE. BUT ABSOLUTELY.
>> THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, I BELIEVE, LAST YEAR BY THEN COMMISSIONER GELIN, RIP HIS TAMARAC POLITICAL CAREER.
SO THAT CAME UP AGAIN AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
>> ONE THING I DO WANT TO ADD THAT I DID NOT SAY AND A VERY IMPORTANT POINT IS WITH THE CITY PAYING US, THIS WOULD BE A FREE SERVICE TO TAMARAC RESIDENTS FOR THEIR RIGHTS.
>> COMMISSIONER WAYNE. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]
>> I DON'T CARE WHAT VEHICLE IT IS. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ELECTRIC.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S CHARGED UP OR IF IT'S HORSEPOWER.
>> [LAUGHTER] QUESTION, YOU SAID THAT CHARGES 39, BUT IN THE DOCUMENT IT SAYS 145 PER HOUR. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT?
>> THE 145 IS FOR ALL THOSE HOURS BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUR VEHICLES THERE, SO IT WOULD BE FOUR VEHICLES.
>> THAT'S THREE, THE THREE VEHICLE.
JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT AND YOU SAID THAT THERE'S HIGH STAFF TURNOVER WITH THE CURRENT PARATRANSIT AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO ADJUST SOMEBODY'S INDIVIDUALS TO FREEBIE.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IS NOT GOING TO HAVE HIGH STAFF TURNOVER WITH FREEBIE AS WELL.
>> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 250 DRIVERS JUST WITHIN THE TRI-COUNTY AREA IS RIGHT HERE.
AGAIN, THIS TURNOVER HAPPEN SURE, BUT WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF KEEPING STAFF.
WE HIRE STAFF THAT ARE VERY MISSION-DRIVEN IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITIES THERE.
WE'VE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB AND ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES WHERE AGAIN, OUR LEVEL OF SERVICES ARE VERY HIGH AND AGAIN, IF WE DO LOSE A DRIVER, WE HAVE REPLACEMENT DRIVERS HERE READY TO COME IN AS A BACKUP.
THE CURRENT PARATRANSIT RUNS FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND FREEBIES GOING TO RUN FROM WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, IF I'M CORRECT, THAT'S WHAT I SAW.
>> CORRECT., AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WILL EVALUATE AS WE GET INTO IT, TO DETERMINE THE DAYS.
BUT THE IDEA WAS TO PROVIDE CONSECUTIVE DAYS AND INCLUDE A WEEKEND DAY.
>> WHY NOT INCLUDE SUNDAY? PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO GO TO CHURCH.
>> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL BE LOOKING AT.
BUDGETARILY WE FELT THE MOST APPROPRIATE DAYS WHERE THE WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AT THIS POINT.
>> SOMETHING ELSE I SAW IN THE FINE PRINT REVENUE SHARING 50/50.
WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TECHNOLOGY PLATFORM, LIKE IF I'M A UBER DRIVER, UBER TAKES 30%, OR DOORDASH TAKES 30%, BECAUSE AS A DRIVER, YOU ARE DOING ALL THE WORK AND THE PLATFORM.
THE PLATFORM IS ONE THAT'S FACILITATING THE TECHNOLOGY.
WHY CAN'T WE DO 70/30, 70 IN FAVOR OF THE CITY?
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE COST OF THE RIDE?
>> THE ADVERTISING IN THE FINE PRINT THAT YOU HAVE, LIKE ADVERTISING COSTS US AND IT'S ALSO SPLIT 50/50.
>> THAT WAS AN OPTION WE PROVIDED YOU GUYS IF YOU WANTED TO ALLOW ADVERTISING ON THE VEHICLES WITHIN THE PLATFORM THERE WE DO A REV SHARE BACK WITH OUR CITIES AND NOT EVERY CITY WANTS THAT TYPE OF ADVERTISING.
AGAIN, IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU GUYS AS A POLICY TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT HERE, AND THEN YOU GUYS WOULD GET REVENUE BACK FROM THAT.
>> I'M SAYING IF WE DECIDE TO GO THAT WAY, ARE WE OPEN TO DOING ON 70/30?
WE DO HAVE COST OBVIOUSLY WITH SALESPEOPLE THAT ARE GOING OUT THERE TO SELL IT, THE VEHICLE WRAPS AND STUFF OF THAT SORT.
WE'RE OPEN TO OBVIOUSLY PROVIDING AS MUCH REVENUE BACK TO YOU GUYS AS POSSIBLE THERE.
>> WE ALSO HAVE A SENIOR COMMUNITY AND I SEE THAT YOU HAVE A CALL CENTER, BUT ON THE CAR IS FROM THE DISPLAY.
THE CALL TO ACTION IS TO DOWNLOAD THE APP, WHAT ABOUT ADDING A PHONE NUMBER ON THE CAR, MAKING IT MORE VISIBLE TO A SENIOR CITIZEN BECAUSE WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE AGING AND MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE APP LIKE SOMEONE WHO'S YOUNGER.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE SENIORS ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST RIDER SHIFTS AND ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES THERE, AND WE DEFINITELY PROMINENTLY DISPLAY THE PHONE NUMBER.
WE CAN MAKE THE VEHICLES LOOK HOWEVER YOU GUYS LIKE.
IT WAS JUST OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WAS A VISUAL FROM THE RFP RESPONSE, BUT THE VEHICLES WILL PROBABLY LOOK WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
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YOU'RE SEEING THERE AND WE CAN PUT ON THE MARKETING MATERIALS WITH ALL THE NUMBERS ON THERE AND THAT COULD BE ON THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES.BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO A GREAT REACH OUT TO THE SENIOR COMMUNITY LIKE WE'VE DONE IN MOST OTHER COMMUNITIES THERE.
>> JASON, IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
>> ANOTHER BIG PART OF THE FREEBIE PLATFORM IS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT SEPARATES OUR PLATFORM FROM ALL OTHER TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICES THERE.
THINK OF IT AS A RIDESHARE MEETS YELP WHERE YOU CAN GO ONTO THE RIDE FREEBIE APP AND WHEN YOU'RE HERE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMARAC, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO ALL THE LOCAL BUSINESSES HERE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY ALL GET FREE ADVERTISING ON THE APP.
WE COME OUT THERE, [NOISE] WE DO WITH THEM.
THEY CAN OFFER EXCLUSIVE DEALS AND DISCOUNTS TO RESIDENTS AND THEN WHEN THEY WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE, THEY CAN, HEY, TAKE ME HERE AND A VEHICLE PICKS THEM UP RIGHT THERE AT RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE AT, DELIVERS THEM RIGHT TO THAT LOCAL BUSINESS THERE.
FROM THE CITY SIDE, WE'RE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF PROMOTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS ON PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS ON THE APP, THROUGH THE APP.
WHEN PEOPLE OPEN THE APP, THERE'S THESE CAROUSELS THAT ROTATE THAT CAN BE USED TO DRIVE TRAFFIC TO A CERTAIN LOCATION, PROMOTE DIFFERENT THINGS, DO SURVEYING FROM THERE.
BUT IT'S A VERY CUSTOMIZABLE PROGRAM AND IT'S REALLY MUCH MORE THAN JUST TRANSPORTATION, BUT IT'S ANOTHER ADDED BENEFIT THAT IS AT NO COST TO THE CITY.
>> JASON, AS YOU'VE SEEN TODAY? I'VE GOT MY CLOSE UP ON THINGS.
DON'T TAKE ANY OF THIS PERSONALLY.
I'M VERY PROTECTIVE OF OUR CITY AND OUR PARATRANSIT AND WHETHER IT'S 350 PEOPLE USING IT ARE DOWN 240 PEOPLE USING IT.
THEN I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION TO OUR CITY.
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM? SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WILL NOT BE HERE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING TO RESIDENTS, THEY ASKED FOR HELP AND THEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT OUR PARATRANSIT SYSTEM, THAT THEY COULD HAVE UTILIZED IT. THAT CONCERNS ME.
THEN WE'RE ALSO SAYING, WELL, LET'S OPEN IT UP BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY SERVICING 140 PEOPLE AND THE MONETARY COST OF IT, YOU'D BE BETTER OFF IF WE HAD MORE PEOPLE UTILIZING IT.
WHY AREN'T WE TRYING TO SALVAGE OUR PROGRAM? I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF OUR EMPLOYEES BEING LET GO AND POTENTIALLY BEING REHIRED.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THEY ARE BEING REHIRED.
WE HAD THEM HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HIRED.
I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL. THERE'S NO PROTECTION FOR OUR PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR OUR CITY, WHO'S WORKED HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
MAYBE WE SHOULD BE GIVING THEM SIX MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY CAN BOLSTER UP OUR OWN PARATRANSIT SERVICES, THE ONES THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE NOT ADVERTISED AS MUCH AS WE USED TO DO TO COVID AND CERTAIN THINGS.
THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST YOUR COMPANY. PLEASE KNOW THAT.
THESE ARE PURELY PRESERVATION TO TAMARAC.
WE GO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, OUR SENIORS HAVE DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS MONDAY AND TUESDAY.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THIS OTHER PROGRAM BASED AGAIN ON WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY BETWEEN 10:00 AM AND 8:00 PM. I READ THE HOURS.
WHEN MANY DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS START AT 8:30 AM OR 9:00 AM.
SO WE'RE ALSO NOW CUTTING OUT WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FOR DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS FOR THESE SAME PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPOSEDLY ADOPTING THIS NEW SYSTEM TOO.
>> OKAY. GOOD. I STILL THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MONDAY AND TUESDAY BECAUSE THEY GO TO DOCTORS ON THAT DAY.
MAYBE WE SHOULD BE MAKING SURE THAT WE CALL OUR 140 OF OUR SENIORS THAT ARE USED TO OUR PROGRAM AND SAY, LOOK, THE CITY IS MODERNIZING POTENTIALLY, AND WE KNOW NOW THAT IF YOU'RE OVER 65, MEDICAID PAYS FOR TRANSPORTATION TO YOUR MEDICAL.
THEY PAY IT. WE'VE GOT SOME VIVA, CAREMAX, METROPOLITAN HEALTH, HUMANA.
I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE OUT ANYBODY, AND THEN HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE OSCAR, MAD AT ME FOR NOT SAYING THEIR COMPANY, BUT THEY HAVE THESE PROGRAMS. CHILL MAN, I'M GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE UNDER A FEW MINUTES.
WE SEE THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE, WHICH IS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SOME OF OUR USERS ARE NOT USING OUR PROGRAM.
BECAUSE MAYBE WE HAVE NOT SUPPORTED OUR PROGRAM OR BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT OUR PROGRAM IF IT'S BEEN AN EMPLOYEE ISSUE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
IF WE HAVE PEOPLE USING OTHER PROGRAMS, BUT THE SAME TOKEN, THE PARATRANSIT PROGRAM FOR
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THESE OTHER PLACES PROBABLY DON'T TAKE THEM TO GO GET THEIR HAIR DONE, DON'T TAKE THEM TO THE GROCERY STORE, DON'T TAKE THEM TO THE FITNESS CENTER WHERE THEY CAN WORK OUT.IT'S PHYSICAL THERAPY IN WHICH WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO MOVE THEIR BODY.
I THINK WE'RE NOT FULLY THINKING ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVEN'T FULLY THOUGHT THIS OUT JUST YET, TO JUMP OVER TO A NEW PROGRAM WITHOUT GIVING OUR PROGRAM AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEND ITSELF AND DO BETTER.
I SAW THAT IT SAID $350,000 OR SO IS WHAT WE PAY, BUT WE HAD A REVENUE OF $65,000.
WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT LOSING MONEY ON THIS, WE'VE GOT $65,000.
GLAD WE'RE NOT SPENDING IT ALL IN ONE PLACE WITH IT, BUT IT'S NOT A LOSS LEADER AS WHAT HAS BEEN SEMI-PRESENTED.
QUESTION I GUESS THIS COMES TO YOU IN OUR INSURANCE AND LIABILITY.
YOU'RE TAKING OUR RESIDENTS AROUND, WHO'S LIABLE FOR ANY ISSUES, ANY ACCIDENTS, ANY PROBLEMS?
>> WE'RE FULLY LIABLE FOR ALL THAT.
>> THEY'RE COMING TO YOU, ALL THAT PROBLEM COMES TO YOU?
>> CORRECT, AND YOU GUYS GET INDEMNIFIED.
>> WE GET INDEMNIFIED. WE STILL GET SUED BECAUSE EVERYBODY STILL SUES THE CITY AND YOU JUST HAVE TO INDEMNIFY US, AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT ROLLS.
WE'VE, IT SAYS THREE CARS OR TWO CARS.
WHEN IS THAT DECIDED? HOW IS THAT DECIDED? IF IT'S GOING TO BE THREE CARS OR TWO CARS.
>> EXCUSE ME. THAT GOES BACK TO, ONE SINCE WE REWARD IT, WE WOULD SIT DOWN WITH THE PROFESSIONALS TO DETERMINE THAT, THAT WAS STAFF LOOKING AT IT.
POSSIBLY ON WEEKNIGHTS, THERE MAY NOT BE THE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE DURING THE WEEKEND, SO WE MAY CUT THAT DOWN TO TWO CARS.
IT'S ALL ASSUMPTIONS AND DEMAND AT CERTAIN TIMES.
SOME OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THESE TYPES OF SERVICES IS THAT IT'S VERY FLEXIBLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET A DASHBOARD WITH LIVE DATA ON THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHEN PEOPLE ARE USING IT, WHEN THEY'RE NOT USING IT.
AGAIN, IF WE'RE ONLY USING TWO CARS AFTER 05:00 PM WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHIFT HOURS TOWARDS THAT MONDAY AND TUESDAY AND KIND OF LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY TO RUN MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY SERVICE, WHERE YOU HAVE SCATTERED AMOUNT OF CARS OUT THERE DURING DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY BASED ON DEMAND THERE.
YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT STARTING IT ON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY TO WORK WITH THE DEMAND THAT WE CURRENTLY KNOW WE HAVE.
ALSO, I HAVE TROUBLE WITH IT ENDING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IF THE, WHERE GUYS MIGHT SOUND A LITTLE BIT OFF-PUTTING IN THAT MEANT TO BE, BUT IF WE'RE BEING TOLD IT'S SO WE CAN, BIGGER RADAR ON NIGHTLIFE AND HAVE PEOPLE GO TO DINNER, REALLY AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, IF WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THE YOUNGER CROWD, THEY'RE STILL EATING DINNER.
SO HOW DO THEY GET HOME? THEY'RE GOING TO CALL UBER.
THEY'RE GOING TO CALL A REGULAR CAB, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THESE EXIST ANYMORE.
THEY'RE GOING TO PHONE A FRIEND OR THEY'RE GOING TO WALK.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS FULLY THOUGHT OUT AND THE COMMISSION KNOWS, I DON'T LIKE UNBAKED CAKE.
LAUGH ALL YOU WANT OVER THERE, LAUGHTER IS FINE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS.
WE'RE NOW CLAIMING IT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE ON CITY PROPERTY AT A COMPOUND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER TODAY, KNOCKING DOWN AND STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN.
IS THAT VERY SMART USE OF MONEY? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
SOMEBODY HAS TO SEE THE IRONY IN THIS.
I KNOW YOUR NAME SAYS FREEBIE.
I GET THAT MORE THAN I DO FREEBIE BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? IT'S NOT FREE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
WE'RE STILL PAYING YOU TO TAKE THEM AROUND.
WHICH IF WE'RE STILL PAYING YOU, WHY ARE WE NOT PAYING OUR EMPLOYEES AND TAKING CARE OF FIXING THINGS FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO USE IT? I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT IF OUR PARATRANSIT PROGRAM IS NOT WORKING AND WE HAVEN'T FIXED IT, WE HAVE TO TRY TO FIX IT AND PROTECT THAT PART.
I'VE GOT SEVERAL OF MY ELDER STATESMAN IN THE COMMUNITY COMPLETELY LIKE BESIDES THEMSELVES, THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEIR SERVICES ANYMORE.
THAT MAKES ME VERY UNHAPPY BECAUSE WE'RE TELLING A POPULATION OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT THEY DON'T COUNT ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MODERN.
IN THE WHOLE THING THAT WE TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME IS WE GO FROM ZERO TO ALMOST 107 AND WE CARE ABOUT EVERYBODY.
HOW WAS THIS SERVICE GOING TO CARE ABOUT EVERYBODY? FORGIVE ME, IF YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN OUR CITY, THEN LET'S FIGURE OUT YOU CAN BUY SOME PROPERTY, PLANT YOUR STUFF, AND DO BUSINESS IN OUR CITY.
NOT HAVE US FUND YOUR BUSINESS SO YOU CAN MAKE MORE BUSINESS ON
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BEHALF OF THE CITY UNDER THE GUISE OF IT BEING MODERNIZING OUR CITY WHERE WE SUPPORT BUSINESS, BUT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THAT MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE INTO SOME OTHER BUSINESS.WE'VE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR A GRANT TO HELP YOUR BUSINESS, WHICH, THANK YOU FOR THE USE OF THE ELECTRICAL STANCHIONS, THE CHARGERS, IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED THEM AGAIN, WHICH MAY NOT BE THERE BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE REDOING CITY HALL THERE.
BUT THEN IT COMES A PROBLEM WITH THE USE OF PROPERTY. HOW LONG DO YOU NEED IT? HOW LONG DO YOUR CARS CHARGE FOR AND THE LIKE? I'M PRESUMING THREE CARS, THREE CHARGERS.
IF YOU'RE PUTTING THREE CARS OR YOU'RE HAVING THREE CHARGERS, DO WE HAVE A NUMBER ON HOW MANY CHARGERS IS BEING PUT IN?
>> ONE PER VEHICLE. I WAS TOLD WHEN I WAS HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS THAT OUR SENIOR RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE PRIORITY.
IF I CALL UP BECAUSE I WANT TO GO TO AN EARLY NIGHT AT COLONY WEST AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE DRIVING HOME, SO I'VE RESERVED MY SPOT FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE FOR FOUR O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY.
BUT THERE'S A SENIOR THAT NEEDS IT FOR A MEDICAL EMERGENCY FOR THAT SAME TIME, CALLS UP AND SAYS I NEED A RIDE AT FOUR O'CLOCK, AND THE OTHER VEHICLES ARE ALREADY OUT, THEY HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH JUICE IN IT SO THEY CAN'T DRIVE WHATEVER IT IS.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT PERSON WHO NEEDS IT AS A PRIORITY?
>> THEY'RE A SENIOR, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CALL THEM TO BOOK THAT IN ADVANCE TO PRIORITIZE THEM.
>> EMERGENCY. THEY'RE CALLING YOU NOW, THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY, YOU HAVE NO VEHICLES AVAILABLE FOR THEM AT FOUR O'CLOCK TO GET THEM TO THAT EMERGENCY DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO BY AN AMBULANCE, MAYBE THEIR TOOTH ARE OUT AND THEY'RE BLEEDING OR WHATEVER AND IT'S DENTAL, SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, YOU'RE GOING TO YOUR DENTIST'S OFFICE. WHAT DO WE DO?
>> IF I MAY, LET'S HAVE PART OF OUR SERVICE OFFERING RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T OFFER THAT SERVICE RIGHT NOW.
>> BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFERING SERVICES AT A PRIORITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS FOR OUR SENIORS, SO IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A SERVICE.
>> I BELIEVE THE PRIORITY WOULD APPLY IN SCHEDULING APPOINTMENTS FOR OUR SENIOR POPULATION, BUT THOSE KINDS OF EMERGENCIES OBVIOUSLY CHANGES THE NATURE OF THEIR PRIORITY.
>> I WOULD LOVE TO SAY WE HAVE DINNER AND A MOVIE AND NIGHTLIFE IN THE CITY.
WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IT, WE DON'T HAVE IT FULLY YET.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS EIGHT O'CLOCK IS COMING FROM AND HOW MUCH USE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OF IT.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN STUDIED SOME OF THAT.
WHAT I HEAR IS THAT WE'LL STUDY IT AFTER WE CONTRACT.
I DON'T LIKE STUDYING IT AFTER WE CONTRACT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE CONTRACTING AND YES, WE CAN SAY 45 DAYS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO END IT, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO GIVE 180 DAYS AND WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DOING INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THESE KIND OF THING.
WHERE'S THE REST OF SOME OF THE THOUGHT, PLANNING, AND PROCESS OF THIS?
>> MAY I? WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO STUDY AFTER WE SIGN THE CONTRACT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF RAMPING OUR SERVICES UP AND DOWN, ADJUSTING OUR SERVICE LEVELS UP AND DOWN WITH THE SERVICE.
FROM EVERY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE INCREASING AND IMPROVING A LIMITED SERVICE RIGHT NOW, AND OPENING THAT UP TO A MUCH LARGER COMMUNITY IN THE CITY LIMITS.
WE'RE REMOVING A LOT OF BARRIERS AND WE'RE DOING THIS WITHIN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BUDGET.
IN FACT, ONCE WE START RECEIVING THE GRANT DOLLARS, WE'RE PROVIDING THE SERVICE MUCH EXPANDED, WIDER SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS AT A MUCH LOWER GENERAL FUND IMPACT.
FROM EVERY PERSPECTIVE, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS AN IMPROVED AND BETTER SERVICE TO A MODERN CITY OF TAMARAC.
>> I THINK THE RESIDENTS WHO USE THE SERVICES ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY ARE GOING TO COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS A MUCH BETTER SERVICE AND AFFECTING THEIR IMPACT AT ALL.
>> AGAIN, MONDAY AND TUESDAY IF THAT'S A CRITICAL DAY FOR PROVIDING THESE KINDS OF SERVICES, WE WOULD DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN AND ADJUST IN SCHEDULE. [OVERLAPPING]
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>> BUT MIGHT THAT BE TOO LATE AT THAT POINT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
>> WE HAVE NOT EVEN TAKEN A SURVEY YET OF OUR 140 THAT USE IT.
WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TRACK RECORD TO KNOW.
>> WHAT ARE MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS LIKE FOR THEM?
>> MONDAY IS A QUESTIONABLE DAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT.
BUT THE WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY ARE THE TWO HEAVIEST DAYS.
TUESDAY IS A LIGHTER DAY, SO MONDAY WOULD BE THE DAY IN QUESTION, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PLAN ON DOING WITH OUR PARATRANSIT CUSTOMERS IS WE'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS WITH THEM.
IF WE DO HEAR THAT AT THAT POINT, BEFORE WE START OFFERING THIS SERVICE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADD THAT MONDAY BACK IN AND MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.
LIKE I SAID, WE DID LOOK AT THE TRACKING AS TO THE NUMBER OF TRIPS ON EACH OF THE DAYS DURING THE WEEK.
>> THIS IS ALSO STARTING OUT AS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE CURRENT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE.
OUR CURRENT PROGRAM IS 341,000, WE'RE ALREADY STARTING AT 349,000 AND CHANGE.
FOR SOME REASON WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY BASED ON 14 PLUS PERCENT VERSUS A 10%.
WHY ARE WE DOING IT AT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE FOR A CONTINGENCY THEN?
>> THE 10% IS NORMALLY FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES AND NORMALLY IT WORKS OUT TO THAT LEVEL.
BUT I WANTED TO GIVE ULTIMATE FLEXIBILITY TO US WITH A FLAT $50,000, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE HOURLY RATES FOR THE VEHICLES AND SUCH, THAT NUMBER WAS FIGURED BASED ON THAT, SO THAT WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
WE ALSO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO IF WE NEED THEM FOR A SPECIAL EVENT OR WE NEED THEM FOR SPECIAL ACTIVITIES OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, WE CAN ALSO UTILIZE THEM AT THAT BLENDED HOURLY RATE.
>> DO WE ONLY PAY YOU WHEN YOU PICK UP SOMEBODY AND DROP THEM OFF?
>> IT'S PER HOUR. YOU'D BE PAYING ON AN HOURLY BASIS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF HOURS OPERATED.
>> THAT DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.
BASICALLY, IF THE VEHICLES IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC 24/7, WE'RE PAYING 24/7 FOR THOSE?
>> LET ME REPHRASE THAT, FROM THE 8:AM TO THE 10:00 PM OR THE 8-8, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC FOR THOSE HOURS, EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PERSON IN THE VEHICLE, WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT TIME?
>> WHEN THERE'S A DRIVER ON THE ROAD, CORRECT.
SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW ON THE PARATRANSIT SYSTEM TODAY, YOU'RE PAYING FOR THOSE DRIVERS TO OPERATE THE VEHICLES EVEN IF THERE'S SOMEBODY IN IT OR NOT IN IT.
BUT ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, REALLY OVER THESE LAST 11 YEARS, THESE TYPES OF SERVICES ARE NOW PROVING THAT THEY ARE MORE EQUITABLE THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF PUBLIC TRANSIT OUT THERE.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE SENIORS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE DISABILITIES TO CHOICE RIDERS ARE NOW USING THESE SERVICES, PROVIDING HIGHER-QUALITY OF SERVICE, MUCH HIGHER RIDERSHIP AT THE SAME COST OR A TINY BIT HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF FIXED ROUTE TRANSIT HERE.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS VERY LOW RIDERSHIP ON YOUR PARATRANSIT.
WE'RE GOING TO STILL MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE THOSE SAME RIDERS, WE'LL GET MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A MUCH HIGHER QUALITY OF SERVICE, MUCH MORE RIDERSHIP AND YOUR COST PER RIDE AND YOUR COST PER RIDER, WHO IS WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH LOWER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY.
>> WELL, IT CAN'T BE MUCH LOWER THAN IT IS TODAY, BECAUSE CURRENTLY OUR CONTRACT FOR OUR CURRENT PARATRANSIT IS LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING YOU IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS. IT'S NOT THAT PART. [OVERLAPPING]
THE AMOUNT OF RIDERS THAT ARE USING THE SYSTEM VERSUS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PAYING, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER IN A SYSTEM LIKE THIS.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, STILL ACCOMMODATING THOSE SAME RIDERS, BUT NOW ACCOMPLISHING MUCH MORE OF THE RESIDENTS HERE WITHIN THE CITY.
>> THIS TRANSIT WILL ONLY BE WITHIN THE 12 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC? IT WILL NOT TAKE US OUTSIDE THE CITY OF TAMARAC LINES?
>> NO, BUT WHAT JASON IS SAYING IS THAT THE CURRENT PARATRANSIT SERVICE IS SERVICED 140 CUSTOMERS ENTIRE LAST YEAR, SO $340,000 WERE SPENT ON SERVICING 140 CUSTOMERS.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THAT PER CAPITA COST IS GOING TO GO DOWN, BECAUSE WE'RE EXPANDING THE SERVICE TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I GET THAT PART, BUT WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE.
>> THAT RIDES THE PARATRANSIT, SO THE PARATRANSIT CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE PEOPLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A SCALABLE PERSPECTIVE, YOUR CAR CAN ONLY CARRY SEVEN PEOPLE.
BUT THOSE BUS, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT A BUS CAN CARRY? IF WE WANT TO GET INTO THOSE TYPE OF MATRIX, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM THE PARATRANSIT BUS CAN CARRY?
>> IT'S 22, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PARATRANSIT CUSTOMERS,
>> WHAT IF ALL THIS CARS ARE BOOKED OUT? CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT, DON'T THEY? WHAT IF SEVEN PEOPLE SIT IN THAT TESLA, WHAT HAPPENS NOW, AND I CALL? DON'T HAVE TO WAIT IF YOU ARE BOOKED OUT?
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>> YEAH, BUT WE HAVE ALGORITHMS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY PICKING PEOPLE UP IN AS LITTLE TIME AS POSSIBLE.
THERE COULD BE A WAIT TIME DURING SOME PEAK HOURS AND OTHER TIMES WHEN THERE'S NOT RIDERS, THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS WAIT TIMES THERE.
IT'S ALWAYS PICKING UP AND DROPPING PEOPLE OFF.
AGAIN WITH A 22-PASSENGER BUS, IT'S VERY RARELY THAT YOU'RE FILLING IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I UNDERSTAND, I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR IN SOME ASPECT OF IT BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
FREEBEE TENDS TO WORK IN DENSELY POPULATED AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE FAST ADAPTERS, SENIORS ARE NOT FAST ADAPTERS THEY DON'T REALLY TRY NEW THINGS FIRST.
THEY USUALLY ACCUSTOMED TO THINGS THAT ARE SET IN STONE THAT BEEN DOING BEFORE.
I ADMIRE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I ADMIRE YOUR VISION AND THE CONCEPT THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE.
BUT I THINK SOMEWHAT WITH HERE THE COMMUNITY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WE JUST CAN'T FORCE THIS ON THEM AND SAY, HEY, IT HAS FREEBEE, YOU DON'T GET MONDAY AND TUESDAY, YOU GET WEDNESDAY, FORCE THAT ON A POPULATION LIKE THAT.
>> I TOTALLY HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT I WILL SAY WE DO OPERATE IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS AND VERY SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE HAVE REPLACED PARATRANSIT, WHERE WE HAVE REPLACED SENIOR SERVICES, AND THEY'RE MUCH HAPPIER NOW USING THIS TYPE OF SERVICE THAN THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY OR THE SERVICES PRIOR.
>> I'VE SEEN YOUR SERVICE, BECAUSE I WORK IN DELRAY.
I SEE IT DOWNTOWN DELRAY BY THE BEACH, I SEE A LOT OF FREEBEE CARS, BUT I DON'T SEE IT IN THE WESTERN PART OF DELRAY WHERE WE HAVE OUR CENTURY VILLAGE.
>> I DON'T SEE A LOT OF FREEBEES AROUND THAT AREA.
>> THEY HAD A DIFFERENT GOAL, THEIR GOAL WAS FUNDED THROUGH THE CRA THERE, AND THEY WANT TO DRIVE TRAFFIC INTO THEIR DOWNTOWN.
NOW, YOU CAN COMPARE THAT TO A MIAMI LAKES WHERE WE DID REPLACE A FULLY SENIOR SERVICE THERE, VERY COMPARATIVE, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THAT FOR FIVE PLUS YEARS AND THAT SERVICE CONTINUES TO EXPAND AND INCREASE RIDERSHIP MONTH AFTER MONTH.
IT WAS A PARATRANSIT SENIOR ONLY SERVICE TO BEGIN, BUT THEN IT OPENED UP TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND IT IS THEIR WAY OF USING PUBLIC TRANSIT IN MIAMI LAKES.
>> LIKE I SAID, I DO ADMIRE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I DO UNDERSTAND THE VISION.
BUT I'M NOT TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH GETTING RID OF THE PARATRANSIT AND THEN, VOILA HERE'S FREEBEE.
ESPECIALLY FOR THE SENIOR POPULATION, I THINK IT WILL BE GEARED MORE TOWARDS A YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC WHICH OUR CITY'S GETTING YOUNGER.
BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ON THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY USES THOSE TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION AND IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SENIORS, AND THAT NUMBER WILL DWINDLE BECAUSE SENIORS KNOW DRIVING LONGER THAN SENIORS OF 10 YEARS AGO OR SEVEN YEARS AGO.
THE MAYOR MOM IS 83 AND SHE PASSED ME ALONG COMMERCIAL [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, SHE'S GOING TO KILL YOU.
>> [LAUGHTER] COMMERCIAL A FEW DAYS AGO.
[LAUGHTER] DRIVING HER CAR, SHE PASSED ME ALONG COMMERCIAL FEW DAYS AGO.
I'M SAYING TO SAY THE DWINDLING NUMBERS IT'S NOT A GOOD METRIC, IT'S NOT A GOOD NUMBER TO USE.
IT'S NOT A GOOD THING THAT WE CAN, STILL IT'S ONLY 140 PEOPLE THAT'S NOW USING A SERVICE AND IT'S DWINDLING, BUT THERE'S OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED FOR THAT NUMBER.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING LONGER, DRIVING MORE, DIFFERENT FACTORS ARE GOING TO THAT NUMBER.
I'M NOT TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH BRINGING YOU IN JUST LIKE THAT AND GETTING RID OF THE PARATRANSIT AS WELL.
I WOULD NEED A LITTLE MORE CONVINCING.
>> THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO FINISH OFF A FEW MORE NOTES AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM, I WOULD HAVE SET YOU OFF I DID, BUT I DON'T.
IT'S ALL GOOD, BECAUSE YOU MAKE VERY GOOD VALID POINTS.
WE'VE NOT DONE CERTAIN THINGS TO OPEN UP PARATRANSIT.
WE CAN'T COMPARE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LIMITED PARATRANSIT WHEN WE'VE NEVER GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO UTILIZE IT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND BY ORDINANCE THAT MAYBE WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.
WE CHANGE ORDINANCES LATELY, LIKE IT'S NO BIG DEAL.
THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO BE RECONSIDERING OUR ORDINANCE ON THAT.
I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, THE SHUTTLE BUSES ARE GOING AWAY TO THE RED ROUTE?
>> THEN THE YELLOW ROUTE THEY'RE STAYING? GOOD. BUT JUST THE SIZE OF THE BUSES IS TO GET PEOPLE TO PLACES.
LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT THE FDOT GRANTS GOES INTO OPERATING COSTS A YEAR FROM NOW.
THEN WE HAVE A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT HERE.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT LAST YEAR OF THE OPERATING COSTS IF WE'RE NOT IN CONTACT WITH THIS CURRENT VENDOR? DO WE HAVE TO GIVE BACK MONEY? ARE WE IN ANY DEFAULT WITH OUR FDOT? DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT VENDOR IN PLACE? LIKE DO WE HAVE ANY LIABILITIES, CLAWBACKS OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT?
>> NO. MAYOR IF I MAY, IT'S THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS, BUT I THINK WE APPLY EVERY YEAR FOR THAT GRANT.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SERVICE, WE DON'T APPLY FOR IT.
>> WITH THE AGREEMENT, IT'S A THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH TWO OPTIONS FOR ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS AS WELL.
>> ABOUT 15 OUT OF THE 30 COMMUNITIES IN SOUTH FLORIDA ACTUALLY HAVE THAT GRANT THAT ARE USING IT FOR THE FREEBEE SERVICES THERE AND IT'S A PRETTY FLEXIBLE YEAR OVER YEAR THERE, SO YOU CAN REDUCE EXPAND SERVICES BASED ON THAT GRANT AS WELL.
>> I HAD BEEN TO WHEN WE HAD THE LGBTQ WALK DOWN IN FORT LAUDERDALE.
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WE UTILIZE THE FREEBEE, WHICHEVER SERVICE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOURS OR NOT.IT'S GREAT GETTING YOU AROUND.
AGAIN, IT'S A DENSELY POPULATED EVENT AND LOCATION.
WELL, I CAN'T SAY I WOULD LOVE THE CITY TO BE THAT DENSE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT OUR GOAL IS.
WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE SUBURBAN TO URBAN IN OUR CITY.
WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE WHERE WE'RE GOING FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS.
WE'RE TRYING TO MODERNIZE WITHIN REASON AND NOT REMOVE THE FLAVOR AND TASTE OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, THAT EVERYBODY HAS MOVED HERE FOR.
OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE INCREASING, WHERE LOCKWOOD CONTINUE TO DO WELL AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS MAKES SENSE YET.
I ALSO FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING OURSELVES IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUSINESS THAT WE AS A CITY SHOULDN'T BE IN.
WE'RE NOT IN TRANSIT BUSINESSES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING YOU MONEY TO DO IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, THERE'S THREE COST-SHARING TO ABSORB SOME OF THE COSTS.
BUT STILL WE'RE PROVIDING THE SERVICES AND WE'RE WORKING FOR YOUR BUSINESS TO GROW.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, YOU SAID WE CAN LOOK AT THE ADVERTISING ON DECIDED.
I DON'T LIKE BEING SHOWN SOMETHING AND THEN HAVING SOMETHING ELSE COME OUT.
I LIKE TO KNOW THIS IS WHAT I'M VOTING ON, THIS IS WHAT I'M AGREEING TO.
SO IF THIS SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE VEHICLES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME PICTURE IN HERE, VERY SUBTLE.
THE BLUES WITH THE LOGO AND WHATNOT AND THE PHONE NUMBER 5.
BUT NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE ADVERTISING AND WRAPPING IT WITH SUBJECT TO GETTING IN TROUBLE AGAIN, STEPPING ON THAT THIRD RELATIVE DAY.
WHAT IF THERE'S A BUSINESS IN OUR CITY THAT PROMOTE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EXACTLY CONSIDERED BY MANY THE MOST TASTEFUL FOR EVERYBODY TO BE HAVING ON OUR VEHICLE.
WHAT PROTECTIONS WOULD THAT BE?
>> MAYOR, JUST LIKE ANY CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT, AND I'LL GO BACK TO OUR SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT, THE CITY HAS FINAL SAY ON WHAT WOULD GO ON ON THE VEHICLES AS A THIRD-PARTY CONTRACTOR.
>> YES. BUT WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH NOT LOOKING LIKE WE ARE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ONE BUSINESS FOR ANOTHER.
>> AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF IT.
>> SO THAT'S JUST AN OPTION THAT WAS INCLUDED, AS IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO HAVE A SUBSIDY OPTION THERE.
AND I WOULD ALSO, AGAIN SURE WE ARE A PRIVATE BUSINESS.
BUT WE'RE NOT COMPARED TO LIKE IN LYFT, UBER, WHERE YOU'RE FUNDING OUR BUSINESS.
WE'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE FOR YOU GUYS, WHICH IS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION LIKE YOU WOULD IN ANY OTHER PUBLIC TRANSIT SERVICE.
RIGHT NOW THE CITY RUNS ITS OWN PUBLIC TRANSIT.
NOT MANY CITIES HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, AND THEY CONTRACTED OUT TO THIRD-PARTY VENDORS TO PROVIDE PUBLIC TRANSIT.
THIS IS A NEW AND INNOVATIVE WAY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC EQUITABLE SERVICE, AND WE ARE JUST THE VENDOR PROVIDING THAT SERVICE TO YOU GUYS.
GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND TRYING TO MAKE IT TO MEET YOUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN ITS BEST WAY AS POSSIBLE, AND PROVIDE THAT HIGH LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE.
>> UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATED. I'M CURRENTLY DEALING WITH A TAMARAC RESIDENT WHO IS UTILIZING A BUS IN ANOTHER CITY, THAT IS CONTRACTED OUT THE PERSONS HAVING ISSUE WITH THE BUS DRIVER.
THERE WAS SOME INAPPROPRIATENESS AND WORDS EXCHANGED, AND WHATNOT GOING ON.
AND THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE, WHEN IT'S CONTRACTED OUT AND NO CONTROL, YET THE CITY, EVERYBODY BELIEVES THE CITY IS PRIMARY TO IT.
>> WE'VE CAMERAS AND EVERY VEHICLE FACING IN, FACING OUT.
AGAIN, WE OPERATE IN OVER 30 CITIES HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
EVERY SINGLE ONE HAD STARTED AS A ONE-YEAR PILOT CONTRACT.
EVERY SINGLE ONE IS CONTINUED.
WE'VE NEVER HAD A CONTRACT CANCELED, AND IT'S REALLY FOR THE VALUE THAT WE PROVIDE FOR EACH OF THESE COMMUNITIES.
WE REALLY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND.
AND AGAIN IT'S A REALLY GOOD SERVICE FOR EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT CITIES.
THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT SHAPES, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT MAKEUPS.
THERE'S SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'RE OPERATING IN VERY SMALL MUNICIPALITIES LIKE BOSKEN PARK WITH 1,500 RESIDENTS, CITIES WITH 200,000 PULSE RESIDENTS, AND IT'S WORKING VERY WELL.
AND A LOT OF OUR RIDERS ARE THE SENIOR PARATRANSIT RIDERS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES.
>> IT IS A PILOT CONTRACT? DOES IT ACT LIKE A PILOT CONTRACT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL AGAIN, IT'S A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE YOUR CONVENIENCE.
>> YES. BUT AFTER THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY ON YOUR END.
>> WE TRY TO BE FAIR IN THE CITY.
I HAVE CONCERNS, I THINK I'VE MADE THEM VERY CLEAR.
DID YOU ROLLOVER? WE'VE GOT COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. CAN WE GET THE PERIOD TRANSPORTATION TO OVERLAP WITH FREEBEE?
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SO THERE'S A TRANSITION PERIOD.I KNOW YOU SPOKE ABOUT EDUCATIONAL PROCESS, BUT ALSO GET THE OLDER FOLKS TOO.
>> IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS JUST TO GET AN IDEA, HOW LONG WOULD YOU FORESEE THAT OVERLAP BEING?
>> JUST UNTIL YOU CONVERT 140 OF THEM, AND THEN EVENTUALLY 240 OF THEM, ANY OF THEM.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED GRANT MONEY.
YOU MENTIONED BROWARD COUNTY REIMBURSEMENTS.
>> THAT'S FOR THE ROUTE SYSTEM, THE RED ROUTE EXTENSION.
>> OKAY. I MEAN, I HONESTLY THE WAY I SEE IT, IS WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC HERE AND VEHICLES AND COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
I BELIEVE AS PEOPLE GET USED TO IT, AND WE ADD THREE VEHICLES, SIX VEHICLES, NINE VEHICLES, 12 ETC, PEOPLE GOING FROM WEST TAMARAC TO EAST TAMARAC FOR A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT WILL BE GETTING THERE FASTER, BECAUSE LESS VEHICLES ON THE ROAD.
SO I HEAR WITH COMMISSIONER WRIGHT SAYING, I DIDN'T CLEAR WHAT MAYOR'S SAYING.
I THINK IT'S A VERY POSITIVE MOVE TO GET A SYSTEM LIKE THIS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FORESEE THE FUTURE OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND I THINK THIS IS A COMPONENT OF WHAT BROWARD COUNTY IS DOING IN THE FUTURE.
>> I WOULD SAY, ONE OF THE MAIN GOAL IS ABSOLUTELY GETTING CARS OFF THE ROAD, RIGHT? YOU HAVE YOUR VULNERABLE POPULATIONS THAT RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE YOUR RIDERS.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO NOW GOING TO GET THESE CHOICE RIDERS, PEOPLE THAT WOULD TAKE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
THEY ARE NOW LEAVING THEIR CAR AT HOME, AND USING THESE PUBLIC TRANSIT SERVICES TO MOVE AROUND THEIR COMMUNITIES THERE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A NEW CONCEPT.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 11 YEARS RIGHT HERE IN YOUR BACKYARD, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE YOU GUYS A SERVICE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE VERY PROUD OF.
>> AND IF I MAY, MAYOR, JUST WANT TO ADD THAT THE COUNTY WHICH REIMBURSES US FOR THE FOR THE FIXED ROAD SYSTEM THAT WE OPERATE IS PURSUING A SIMILAR HAT, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO PRIVATIZE OR OFFER PRIVATE OPERATION OF THAT TRANSPORTATION SERVICE.
>> THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHY ARE WE NOT WAITING FOR A FEW MORE MONTHS FOR THE COUNTY TO DO IT? WHEN THE COUNTY GETS OUR SURTAX DOLLARS, AND HASN'T GIVEN US MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE TO DEAL WITH CERTAIN THINGS IN TRANSPORTATION.
>> FOR THE FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF THEY'RE TRYING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AS WELL, THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE REGIONAL BASED.
IT WOULD POSSIBLY BE A BETTER FIT.
LOOK, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT MODERNIZING.
I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ON THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES COMMITTEE LIKE I PARTICIPATE WITH THIS STUFF AND I GET IT.
I'M A NEW YORKER, WHO'S USED TO WALKING AND GETTING ON A SUBWAY, EVEN ON A BUS.
IT'S NOT LIKE I'M AGAINST CERTAIN ASPECTS OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING HERE.
I FEEL WE HAVEN'T FIXED WHAT WE'VE GOT.
WE'RE NARROW IN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YET WE WANT TO EXPAND IT BEFORE WE'RE READY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
I DO HAVE ONE THING I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD, HOW I'M TAKING OFF YOUR VEHICLE OFF THE CAR, BUT I'M USING YOUR VEHICLE.
>> IT'S A SHARED RIDE, SO IT'S POOLING RIDERS TOGETHER.
>> SO AM I GOING TO BE GETTING A RIDE TO MY DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, AND I GOT TO WAIT TO GO PICK UP ELVIN TO GO TO HIS APPOINTMENT, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE AT THE SAME PLACE?
>> WE SET CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS WITHIN THE ALGORITHM.
AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON POLICY DECISION WHERE IT'S HEY, PULL THIS RIDE IF THE RIDER IS NOT GOING TO EXTEND MORE THAN 10 MINUTES FOR THE RIDER WITHIN THE CAR, OR FIVE MINUTES.
WE CAN SET THOSE TYPES OF PARAMETERS BASED ON THE ALGORITHMS THAT WE HAVE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I HEARD YOU, BUT DOES THAT MEAN I'M SHARING MY RIDE.
>> THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE RIGHT NOW, MAYOR.
>> YEAH. I'M FURTHER EASE OF EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION THAN ANYBODY.
>> THE GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE RIDERSHIP. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT HIS HOUSE IS NOT IN WITH HIS ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAT HE CAN'T PARK THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CHARGE THERE. ANYWAY.
>> NO. THE GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE RIDERSHIP BY POOLING RIDES, WHICH WILL MINIMIZE WAIT TIMES FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THERE.
>> LIKE O' BRIEN SAID THAT WE DO THAT CURRENTLY WITH A PAIR OF TRANSIT SYSTEM, THE ONE WE RESCHEDULE INDIVIDUALS, WE PAIR THEM.
>> SO SORRY. I STILL HAVE MY SAME FEELINGS RIGHT NOW.
VICE MAYOR WOULD LIKE NOW TO SPEAK.
>> I WON'T BE LONG. I MEAN, I HAVE TO GO.
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I'M A LITTLE BIT NEUTRAL.I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE BAKED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON WEDNESDAY.
HAVE LOTS OF MORE QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS, AND THAT'S THE STUFF THAT WOULD TAKE ABOUT ANOTHER HALF AN HOUR.
RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SOLD.
SO I THINK THAT BETWEEN NOW AND WEDNESDAY, I'LL DO SOME RESEARCH AND MAKE MY MIND UP.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 5:21. GO HOME.
WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. ACTUALLY, THE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY AT 7:00 PM. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.