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>> WELCOME TO OUR BUDGET MEETING.
[CALL TO ORDER]
JUNE 21ST AT 09:32 AM.SORRY FOR THE FEW MOMENTS LATE START, BUT MY ALARM IS SAYING TO BE HERE AND WE'RE HERE.
EVERYBODY PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON SILENT OR VIBRATE OR ALL ALARMS OFF AND CLERK, PLEASE CALL THEM.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. MAYOR GOMEZ.
>> EXCELLENT FEDERAL PLEASE STAND.
WE WILL BE LED TO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY [NOISE]
>> ALL OF US AND HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE THEREAFTER.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE OUR BUDGET OVERVIEW PROPOSED OF
[1.a Overview of the Proposed FY 2024 Budget and Millage Rate Presented by Christine Cajuste, Financial Services Director and Jeff Streder, Budget Manager]
FY 2024 BUDGET AND MILLAGE RATE PRESENTED BY CHRISTINE CAJUSTE, FINANCIAL SERVICES DIRECTOR AND JEFF STREDER, OUR BUDGET MANAGER.THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING WHICH I PRETTY MUCH THINK THAT YOU PROBABLY DO.
>> I DO WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
THANK YOU. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING.
IT'S MY GREAT PRIVILEGE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR FY 2024 BUDGET FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION TODAY.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE MOMENTOUS OCCASIONS AND THE OPERATION OF THE CITY.
THIS PAST YEAR, WE FOCUSED ON STABILIZING THE ORGANIZATION AND MOVING THE CITY FORWARD.
THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.
WE HAVE CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, POLICE CHIEF, AND PUBLIC SERVICES DIRECTOR, ALL NEW AND MANAGEMENT TEAM.
IT STILL CONTINUES TO BE A TIGHT LABOR MARKET.
IT'S DIFFICULT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
IT MAKES LIFE DIFFICULT FOR OUR RECRUITMENT AND REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION STUDY INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET BECAUSE OF THAT.
SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE 523 BUDGET.
IT'S STILL A POST PANDEMIC ERA, WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH ECONOMIC DISRUPTION, CHALLENGES ACROSS THE GLOBE.
WE HAVE HIGH RATES OF INFLATION, ELEVATED PRICES FOR GAS AND DIESEL, HIGH INTEREST RATES AND STILL WE'RE FACING WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES CAUSED BY PRODUCT SHORTAGES.
ALL OF THIS FINANCIAL MARKET UNCERTAINTY IS RESULTED ON INCREASED EXPENSES FOR SURE.
BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTINE, JEFF AND THE FINANCE TEAM, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS BUDGET IS FOCUSED ON THE COMMISSION PRIORITIES THAT WE ESTABLISHED DURING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.
THE CITY'S IN GOOD FINANCIAL CONDITION, WERE STABLE AND THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICE WHILE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CONDITION OF THE APPEARANCE OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND TECHNOLOGY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE.
IN GENERAL, THE PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF THE CITY.
IN FY24 PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF 7.000 MILS IN ADDITION TO OTHER REVENUE SOURCES.
IT THEY PRESERVE THE CORE SERVICES WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND AND OTHER OPERATING FUNDS TO EXECUTE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES OUTLINED BY OUR COMMUNITY, CITY COMMISSION AND THE ADMINISTRATION.
BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE TEAM, I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE ENTIRE WORKFORCE TO THIS BUDGET PREPARATION PROCESS.
EVERYBODY THAT YOU SEE HERE, THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND THEIR STAFF, LED BY CHRISTINE AND JEFF AND MELISSA.
I WANT TO THANK THEM ALL FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND PRESENTING IN THE BUDGET.
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I TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTINE AND JEFF, AND THEN THEY'LL TAKE IT FROM HERE.BY THE WAY, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT'S A LENGTHY CONVERSATION OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A LENGTHY PRESENTATION.
IF YOU CAN RESIST SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WOULD REALLY HELP UNLESS IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED RIGHT THEN.
>> PROCEDURE HAS IT THAT WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THE PRESENTATION IS OVER.
I WILL WRITE IT ALL DOWN AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE RECORD JEFF STREDER BUDGET MANAGER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY FULL DAY FOR YOU GOING OVER THE AGENDA, WE'RE GOING TO DO AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED 24 BUDGET AND THE MILLAGE RATE.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET A PRESENTATION AND UPDATE TO THE FIRE RESCUE ASSESSMENT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE BY GOVERNMENT SERVICES GROUP.
THERE'LL BE A PRESENTATION ON BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON A FUTURE CITY HALL AND NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER CAMPUS IN A PROPOSAL FOR THE COLONY WEST GLAZES COURSE, THAT'S ALL WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY, SO IT'S A FULL DAY.
>> POINT OF CLARIFICATION, YOU SAID THE GLAZE OR THE EXECUTIVE CARS.
>> MOVING ON. THE PROPOSED 24 BUDGET, THE MILLAGE RATE USED IN THAT BUDGET IS 7.0 MILL, WHICH IS THE SAME RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023.
THIS WOULD EXCEED THE CALCULATED ROLLBACK RATE BY 10 PERCENT.
LOOKING AT THE BUDGET FROM A 30,000 FOOT LEVEL, THE GENERAL FUND ONGOING EXPENDITURES ARE NOW NEARING THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE EXCEEDING ONGOING REVENUE.
GENERAL FUND CONTINUES TO HAVE STRONG RESERVES AND FUND BALANCE.
THE FINANCIAL POSITION IS STILL STRONG.
ENTERPRISE FUNDS REMAIN IN A STRONG FINANCIAL POSITION ALSO, THEY HAVE HEALTHY FUND BALANCE AND RESERVES.
WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR ANY KNOWN OPERATIONAL IMPACTS GOING FORWARD.
ANY INFORMATION WE GET AS FAR AS THINGS RELATED TO PRICES, SUPPLY CHAIN WHENEVER THE DEPARTMENT HAS SPECIFIC INFORMATION, WE FACTOR THAT INTO OUR OUR PROJECTIONS AND OUR ESTIMATES.
THERE STILL ARE SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT WAS A BACKDROP FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE FISCAL 2024 PROPOSED BUDGET.
AD VALOREM REVENUE GROWTH FOR HOMESTEADING PROPERTY IS CAPPED AT THREE PERCENT.
SAVE OUR HOMES PROGRAM IF YOU RECALL, THE LIMIT AND THE INCREASE FOR A HOMEOWNER IS SET AT THREE PERCENT FOR CPI, WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
THE CPI HAS BEEN RUNNING WELL ABOVE THREE PERCENT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
ALTHOUGH STARTING TO EASE INFLATION REMAINS RELATIVELY HIGH, PRICES ARE HIGH STILL.
WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE STREAMING OR HAVING TROUBLE HEARING AND THEY CAN'T HEAR, BUT YOU AREN'T TALKING LOUD ENOUGH YOU'RE TALKING TO THE PHONE SO IS THERE ANY ISSUES THAT WE SHOULD.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PLEASE PROCEED SORRY.
>> THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION HAS NOW SURPASSED $450 A SQUARE FOOT.
SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES HAVE NOT YET BEEN FULLY CORRECTED.
THERE ARE STILL REMAINS SOME DELAYS IN PRODUCT DELIVERY AND THAT TENDS TO DRIVE UP PRICES.
FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, FUND BALANCE MANAGEMENT REMAINS CRUCIAL FOR FISCAL 2024 TO BE PREPARED FOR ANY FUTURE I NOTE.
>> MAYBE I JUST ABANDONED THE MIKE.
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CONTENDING WITH SOME CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDING CHALLENGES ALSO FOR 2024.>> SO TIMELINES FOR PROJECTS ARE BEING PUSHED BACK TO ALIGN WITH AVAILABLE FUNDING.
DELAYED FUTURE PROJECTS COULD REQUIRE NEW CREATIVE FUNDING APPROACHES OR NEW REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES.
IN ORDER TO GET COMPLETED ONGOING REVENUE IS CONSUMED BY ONGOING EXPENDITURES, WHICH MEANS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ESSENTIALLY ARE BEING FUNDED BY SAVINGS ONLY.
THAT'S MADE CLEAR, THAT'S SHOWN IN THE FACT THAT THE FUND BALANCE NEEDED TO BALANCE THE FISCAL 2024 BUDGET AND TO FUND THE LEVEL OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS BEING PROPOSED IS ALMOST $15 MILLION.
THE TOTAL CITY BUDGET FOR THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2024 IS APPROXIMATELY $257,000,000, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE AMENDED FISCAL YEAR 2023, BUDGET BY ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
BUT RECALL, IN MAY, THERE WAS A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
THE FIRST BUDGET AMENDMENT INCREASED THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET BY ALMOST $20 MILLION.
THE POST 2024 BUDGET IS STILL PRETTY MUCH AN INCREASE TO THE ADOPTED FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET, WHICH WAS $242,000,000.
ALTHOUGH IT WOULD APPEAR THAT IT'S LESS THAN THE AMENDED BUDGET, THE FACT IS THAT FROM WHAT WE STARTED OUT THE YEAR WITH, IT\'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE.
IN THIS TABLE SHOWS HOW THE TOTAL BUDGET, THE TOTAL CITY BUDGET IS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE MAJOR CATEGORIES OF FUNDS.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK, A DEEPER DIVE.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A DEEPER DIVE INTO EACH ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES OF FUNDS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS $89,722,190.
THIS TABLE SHOWS HOW IT'S DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE INDIVIDUAL GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS.
SOME OF THOSE INCREASES, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF WHAT'S BEHIND THE INCREASES THAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE REGULAR ANNUAL INCREASE, THE SALARY AND BENEFITS THAT APPLIES TO ALL DEPARTMENTS.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET THAT ARE DRIVING SOME OF THESE INCREASES AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR EACH OF THESE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE RESULTING IN THOSE INCREASES YEAR OVER YEAR.
FIRST, WE HAVE A LIST OF GENERAL FUND POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WITH A TOTAL IMPACT OF $312,133.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE POSITIONS ARE.
WE'RE A PENSION ADMIN SPECIALIST AND THE ADDITION OF PENSION ADMIN SPECIALIST IS BEING PROPOSED.
THE ADDITION OF UTILITY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR EVENINGS IS BEING PROPOSED.
THE ADDITION OF PLANNING AND ZONING IN TURN, THE ADDITION OF A FINANCIAL SERVICES IN TURN, AND THE ADDITION OF A FULL-TIME GROUNDSKEEPER 1.
WE'RE PROPOSING CONVERTING TWO PART-TIME RECREATION ASSISTANCE TO FULL-TIME AND RECLASSIFYING A SENIOR CUSTOMER CASHIER TO A CUSTOMER SERVICE SUPERVISOR.
THESE ARE ALL POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT BUDGETS.
AGAIN, THAT HAS A TOTAL IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND OF $312,133.
WHAT'S NEW IN THE CITY COMMISSION, FISCAL YEAR 2024 PROPOSED BUDGET IS WE'RE ADDING A POSTAGE ACCOUNT.
WE'VE INCREASED FUNDING FOR THE PRODUCTION OF INFORMATIONAL FLYERS AND BROCHURES.
WE'VE INCREASED FUNDING FOR ADVERTISING.
WE'VE INCREASED FUNDING FOR SUPPLIES, AND WE'VE INCREASED FUNDING FOR PROMOTIONAL EVENTS.
ALL OF THESE CHANGES HAVE A BUDGET IMPACT ON THE CITY COMMISSION BUDGET OF $337,250.
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CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS CERTAIN PRIORITIES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.THOSE PRIORITIES ARE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT RECRUITMENT, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, CITYWIDE ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, MUNICIPALITY COMPLEX LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND MARKETING COMMUNICATION STRATEGY INCLUDING DIRECT MARKETING.
IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THESE PRIORITIES, SOME CHANGES WERE REQUIRED TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIVISION BUDGET INTO THE PIO.
I'LL START WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT'S NEW IS RETAIL RESTAURANT RECRUITMENT, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, AND REVITALIZATION PROJECTS, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, AND ELECTRONIC MARKETING BROCHURES.
ALL OF THIS HAD A BUDGET IMPACT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY WRONG, THAT BUDGET IMPACT SHOULD BE $43,118.
>> THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE CHANGES ARE BASICALLY THEY'RE CONTINUING THEIR OBJECTIVE OF IT, OF ENHANCING THE CITY STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION ACTIVITIES THROUGH QUARTERLY CITYWIDE MARKETING MAILERS TO ELEVATE PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THIS HAS A BUDGET IMPACT OF $42,100 TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE.
HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING FUNDING FOR EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM UPGRADE THAT COMES WITH A COST OF $15,817.
THEY'RE PROPOSING FUNDING FOR NEGOTIATING A THREE-YEAR LABOR AGREEMENT WITH FPE.
THE CURRENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR.
THEY'LL NEED FUNDING FOR THE ILLEGAL SERVICES OF 55,000 IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
NEW AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, IS THERE GOING TO BE ENGAGING A CONSULTANT FOR ARBORIST AND TREE PRESERVATION PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT HAS A COST OF 35,000, BUT IT'S EXPECTED TO BE OFFSET COMPLETELY BY THE CITY ENFORCING ITS OWN LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
THROUGH THE ENFORCEMENT OF LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION, THE CITY EXPECTS TO RECOUP ALL OF THAT 35,000 FOR THE COST OF OUR BIRTHS, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
EVERY YEAR, THE CITY RECEIVES A DEMAND LETTER FROM THE BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR POLICE SERVICES.
THIS YEAR, THE DEMAND LETTER WAS REQUESTING $19,111,915.
THIS REPRESENTS A 3.85 PERCENT INCREASE FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 REQUESTS.
THAT TOTAL BUDGET THAT YOU SEE THERE FOR POLICE SERVICES OF $19,959,480 ALSO INCLUDES THE COST OF SOME POLICE PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS AND SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS.
THERE'S MORE TO THE POLICE BUDGETS AND THIS JUST BSL.
NEW IN THE PUBLIC SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS IMMEDIATE AND RIGHT-OF-WAY PLANT INSIDE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT HAS A COST OF $43,000.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, WHICH IS A WEB BASED SOFTWARE FOR OPTIMIZING BUDGETS FOR CITYWIDE WITH PAVING PROJECTS.
BUT BECAUSE THAT SOFTWARE COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN ESTABLISHING THE BUDGETS FOR LARGE CITYWIDE PAVING PROJECTS.
IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO POSSIBLY BE A COST SAVER IN THE END.
PARKS AND REC IS REQUESTING FUNDING FOR PROGRAMMING FOR THE SUNSET POINT HAMMOCK.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS SUCH AS THE EVERGLADES ENVIRONMENT,
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THE ENVIRONMENT IN ART, AND NATIVE AND NON-NATIVE PLANT SPECIES IDENTIFICATION.NEW IN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY IS A VISITOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, A CAMERA INTEGRITY MONITOR LICENSING, ACCESS CONTROL, SYSTEM INTERCOMS, AND CAMERAS FOR CITY HALL OFFICES THAT ARE NOT YET EQUIPPED WITH THAT.
DOCUSIGN IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CLERK IS REQUESTING, BUT THE IT WILL ACT AS LEAD.
LAST IS A PARK SPEAKER SYSTEM.
THAT'S THE EQUIPMENT, THE INSTALLATION, AND THE ANNUAL SOFTWARE LICENSING REQUIRED TO RUN THE SPEAKERS.
NOW, NON-DEPARTMENTAL, THIS IS WHERE THE LARGE IMPACTS ARE TO THE GENERAL FUND.
WHAT'S NEW IS ENHANCED LEVELS OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUNDING IN COMPARISON TO FISCAL YEAR 2023.
THE BUDGET IMPACT HERE IS THAT THE TOTAL TRANSFERS TO THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS IN ORDER TO FUND THE LEVEL OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IS NEARLY $16.5 MILLION.
THAT'S THE COMBINED TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDS.
ALSO WHAT'S NEW IN THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET IS THE CITY WILL NEED TO START MAKING PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS AND THE 20-YEAR TAXABLE REFUNDING NOTE FOR THE TAMARAC VILLAGE LAND.
UP TILL NOW THAT'S BEEN INTEREST ONLY.
IT HAS AN OUTSTANDING PRINCIPAL BALANCE OF $16.620 MILLION.
IN ORDER TO PAY THAT DEBT, WE NEED TO INCREASE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE TAMARAC VILLAGE FUND FROM $478,000- $1,457,000 ANNUALLY TO PAY THAT DEBT.
THAT'S A MILLION DOLLAR INCREASE TO NON-DEPARTMENTAL FOR THAT PURPOSE.
ONE OTHER THING THAT I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE ON THIS IN NON DEPARTMENTAL IS WE ARE SETTING ASIDE SOME EXTRA MONEY IN THE CONTINGENCY FOR THE ESTIMATE ON WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE RECOMMENDED OUT OF THE CLASS AND COMPENSATION STUDY.
THE ESTIMATE IS ONE MILLION DOLLAR IMPACT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PARKED $1,100,000 OF CONTINGENCY IN THE GENERAL FUND, SO WE HAVE MORE FUNDING IN THE BUDGET UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ACCOUNTS THAT MONEY NEEDS TO GO IN AND RELATE IT TO WHAT POSITIONS.
THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET NOW AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
THE TOTAL PROPOSED SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS BUDGET IS $39,646,392.
THE FIRE RESCUE FUND BUDGET THAT YOU SEE THERE WAS PUT TOGETHER USING A UPDATED BY YOUR RESCUE ASSESSMENT, WHICH I SAID EARLIER, YOU'LL BE GETTING A PRESENTATION LATER TODAY.
THE BUILDING FUND BUDGET IS APPROXIMATELY $4,000,000, A SLIGHT INCREASE OF $145,000 FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023.
THE INCREASE YOU SEE THERE ON THE GRANT FUNDS IS MAINLY BECAUSE THE SHIP ALLOCATION IS HISTORICALLY HIGH.
IT'S UP TO $900,000, WHICH IS GOOD FOR HOUSING PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT INCREASE IN THE GRANT FUNDS THERE.
LOOKING AT WHAT'S IMPACTING THE FIRE RESCUE FUND, THEY'RE ARE PROPOSING SOME NEW POSITION CHANGES THAT HAVE A TOTAL IMPACT OF $308,000.
THE FIRST IS THEY'RE PROPOSING ADDING A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS TO FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING THE CREATION OF AN ADAPTIVE RESPONSE UNIT AND THAT INVOLVES A SERIES OF PROMOTIONS AND RE-CLASSIFICATIONS IN ORDER TO CREATE THAT ADAPTIVE RESPONSE UNIT.
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THE IMPACT OF EACH ONE OF THOSE POSITION CHANGES IS THAT IN THE TABLE IN FRONT OF YOU.AGAIN, THAT HAS A TOTAL IMPACT OF $308,000 FOR THE FIRE RESCUE FUND.
YOU MAY ASK WHAT IS A ADAPTIVE RESPONSE MODEL? ADAPTIVE RESPONSE MODEL AT FIRE STATION 36 WILL IMPROVE RESPONSE TIMES FOR FIRE TYPE CALLS.
PRESENTLY, THERE'S A RESCUE UNIT LOCATED AT STATION 36.
A BACKUP BY YOUR ENGINE WILL BE DEPLOYED AT STATION 36, WHICH WILL ALLOW THE CREW TO ADAPT THEIR RESPONSE BASED ON CALL TYPE.
WHAT'S EXPECTED IS A REDUCTION IN THE RESPONSE TIME TO FIRE TYPE CALLS.
ONCE A FIRE ENGINE AND STAFFING, THIS DAMPING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THE ADAPTIVE RESPONSE UNIT IS ADDED, WHICH WILL PROVIDE AN INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICES TO FIRE DISTRICTS.
36. ALSO, WHAT'S IMPACTING THE FIRE RESCUE BUDGET IS THEIR CAPITAL REQUESTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.
THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT THERE'LL BE PURCHASING AND THAT HAS A TOTAL BUDGET IMPACT TO THE FIRE RESCUE FUND OF $328,500.
WHAT'S NEW IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS THEY'RE REQUESTING FUNDING FOR THE UTILIZATION OF BROWARD COUNTY INSPECTORS.
THAT COMES WITH A COST OF $15,000.
THEY ARE REQUESTING FUNDING FOR NEW CONFERENCE ROOM TABLE AND CHAIRS AND THAT COMES WITH A COST OF $15,500.
ACTUALLY, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL ACTUAL IN THE CREDIT CARD MERCHANT FEES AND WE NEEDED TO INCREASE THAT EXPENDITURE ACCOUNT TO ALIGN WITH HISTORICAL ACTIVITY.
WE WERE NOT BUDGETING ENOUGH THERE.
SO WE ADDED $50,000 TO THAT ACCOUNT.
MOVING ON TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS BUDGET.
THE TOTAL ENTERPRISE FUNDS BUDGET IS $91,210,998.
WE'VE GOT THE STORMWATER IN THE UTILITY'S FUNDS BUDGETS, WITH STORMWATER HAS A SLIGHT INCREASE FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023 OF ABOUT $400,000 AND THE UTILITIES COMBINED BUDGETS ARE ACTUALLY GOING DOWN.
THAT IS BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR FUND 441 FOR THE RENEWAL IN REPLACEMENT FUND IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT IT WAS IN FISCAL YEAR 2023.
WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS YOU HAVE TO TRANSFER LESS MONEY OUT FROM THE UTILITIES OPERATING FUND TO PAY FOR THOSE PROJECTS SO YOU GET A DOUBLE DECREASE, YOU GET A DECREASE IN THE TRANSFER OUT FROM UTILITIES AND YOU GET A DECREASE IN WHAT'S BEING SPENT ON THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
THERE YOU SEE A DECREASE FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023 AND YOU HAVE A DECREASE IN THEIR COLONY WAS GOLF CORRESPOND BECAUSE THE AMENDED BUDGET INCLUDED AN ITEM TO REPAY THE STORMWATER ON LOAN.
IT INCREASED THAT BUDGET FROM FOUR MILLION UP TO NINE MILLION DOLLARS IN FISCAL YEAR 2023.
WE'RE GOING BACK DOWN TO REGULAR LEVELS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 OF APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE POINT.
STORMWATER, THERE'S A NEW POSITION BEING PROPOSED IN THE STORMWATER FUND WITH A TOTAL IMPACT, THE $143,531.
THEY'RE PROPOSING ADDING A SERVICE WORKER ONE FOR LITTER CLEANUP.
THIS IS A POSITION THAT CAME OUT OF THE STRATEGIC PLANNING.
THIS POSITION WOULD COME WITH A WRAPPED VEHICLE.
IT SHOWED THIS IS TAMARAC PEOPLE GOING AROUND CLEANING UP YOUR CANALS AND IT WOULD ALSO COME WITH A GATOR AND A DUMP, AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING, RECLASSIFYING A PROJECT MANAGER TO A CAPITAL PROJECTS MANAGER, HALF OF THIS WOULD BE IN THE STORMWATER FUND
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AND HALF OF THE IMPACT WOULD BE IN THE UTILITIES OPERATING FUND.THE STORMWATER CAPITAL PROJECTS BUDGET TOTAL BEING PROPOSED AS $1,481,737.
THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.
WE'VE GOT THE REGULAR CULVERT AND HEADWALLS PROJECT THAT WE BUDGET 400,000 FOR EVERY YEAR.
WE'RE BUDGETING 550,000 FOR A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN AND WE'RE BUDGETING $531,000 FOR THE 94TH CROSSWALK PROJECTS.
THIS IS THE PORTION OF THAT PROJECT THAT'S IN THE STORMWATER FUND.
SOME OF IT I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT FUND.
WE'LL SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDS, LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION.
THE UTILITIES OPERATING FUND, THERE ARE ALSO NEW POSITIONS BEING PROPOSED HERE.
AS I SAID EARLIER, IT IS HALF OF THE RE-CLASS OF A PROJECT MANAGER TO A CAPITAL PROJECTS MANAGER, HALF OF THAT IS IN THE UTILITIES OPERATING FUND.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A UTILITY'S PROJECT MANAGER, FOR THE UTILITIES OPERATING FUND.
THESE POSITION CHANGES COME WITH A TOTAL BUDGET IMPACT OF $190,209.
THESE ARE ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE UTILITIES RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT FUNDS TOTALING 22,950,000.
NOW, AS I SAID EARLIER, THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET HAD 31.720 MILLION.
THERE, THERE'S A $10,000,000 DECREASE FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023 IN PLAN 441, BUT THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, I'LL LEAVE THOSE UP THERE SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
AGAIN, THEY TOTALED $22,950,000.
THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.
THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS CONSIST OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND IN THE RISK MANAGEMENT FUND.
THE TOTAL BUDGET ACROSS THOSE TWO FUNDS IS $11,522,861.
HUMAN RESOURCES STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AN INCREASE IN THE PREMIUM FOR STOP-LOSS, FROM $600,000 TO $820,000.
IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, THEY ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING BUDGETING AN HEALTH CARE CLAIMS. INCREASING HEALTH CARE CLAIMS FROM $5.7 MILLION THAT WERE BUDGETING IN 2023 TO $5.8 MILLION IN 2024, TO $6.1 MILLION IN 2025, AND TO $6.4 BILLION IN 2027.
THE RISK MANAGEMENT FUND, THERE'S CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH PROPERTY LIABILITY.
PROPERTY LIABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUM PROJECTIONS HAVE INCREASED 30 PERCENT AS A RESULT OF INCREASING VALUES AND PROJECTED PREMIUM INCREASES STATEWIDE.
THIS HAS A BUDGET IMPACT TO THE RISK MANAGEMENT FUND WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING PREMIUMS FOR PROPERTY LIABILITY TO BE INCREASED FROM THE CURRENT 1,140,700-1,534,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 TO 1,559,000 TO FISCAL YEAR 2025, INTO AGAIN TO 1,559,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026.
RISK MANAGEMENT IS ALSO RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO THE AUTOMOBILE PORTION OF THE BUDGET, THE AUTOMOBILE PREMIUMS, AND CLAIMS BASED ON THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION REGARDING ACTIVITY AND THE AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE MARKET.
RISK MANAGEMENT IS RECOMMENDING THAT CLAIMS FOR AUTOMOBILES BE INCREASED FROM THE CURRENT 83,750-135,525 FOR ALL THREE YEARS,
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FISCAL YEAR 2024, '25, AND '26.MORE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED IN THE RISK MANAGEMENT PLAN ARE THE CHANGES FOR WORKERS COMPENSATION.
THEY'RE RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO CLAIMS AND PREMIUMS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING PREMIUMS BE ADJUSTED FROM 334,750-358,361 FOR ALL THREE YEARS, FISCAL YEAR '24, '25, AND '26.
THERE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT CLAIMS FOR WORKERS COMPENSATION TO BE REDUCED FROM 196,000-175,000 FOR ALL THREE YEARS.
THIS IS ON WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, AND THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE FROM BOTH THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND ACTIVITY THAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDS BUDGET.
ALL OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDS TOTAL $22,041,301 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.
THIS TABLE SHOWS HOW THE BUDGET IS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE VARIOUS CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS.
WILL BE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE.
FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.
THE TOTAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM BUDGET IT'S BEING PROPOSED IS $18,741,346.
NOW, A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN IN PRIOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS AND YOU'VE EITHER SEEN RENDERINGS, OR YOU'VE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROJECTS THERE ARE A FEW THAT YOU HAVEN'T AND WE'LL BE GIVING YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE.
WE HAVE SOME SLIDES ON THOSE, BUT ONE THING TO NOTE IN ONE OF THE PROJECTS HERE IS THAT AFTER WE PUT TOGETHER THE PROPOSED BUDGET, SOME APPRAISALS CAME IN FOR SHAKER VILLAGE.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHAT THIS TOTAL PROJECT COSTS ONLY ASSUMES A $1,200,000 COST PER ACQUISITION.
WE FOUND THAT THE APPRAISALS HAVE COME IN SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT.
SO RIGHT AWAY, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING YOU AS A CHANGE TO THE TENTATIVE BUDGET IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE TO THE SHAKER VILLAGE PROJECT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE APPRAISAL COSTS FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SHAKER VILLAGE LAND.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THE APPRAISAL IS THE INCREASE COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 800,000-1,200,000 THAT WE BRING YOU IN SEPTEMBER.
THAT'S AN INCREASE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FACTOR IN.
THIS TABLE SHOWS HOW THE 18 MILLION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT BUDGET IS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE CAPITAL FUNDS THAT ARE FUNDING SOURCES.
THE IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS ALL BUT THE 1,400,000 THAT'S BEING FUNDED BY THE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX FUND REQUIRES A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
ALL THOSE OTHER CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS OTHER THAN THE LOCAL OPTION, GAS TAX FUND, REQUIRE A GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS.
AS I SAID EARLIER, SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ON, ONE WOULD BE THE TAMARAC VILLAGE AMPHITHEATER IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S PROPOSED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.
IT HAS A TOTAL COST OF $639,414.
IT CONSISTS OF AUDIO VISUAL SYSTEM FEATURES, LIGHTING, TRUSS, PLAYING POWER FIBER IN SOUND TO THE TAMARAC VILLAGE AND AMPHITHEATER.
ANOTHER PROJECT BEING PROPOSED IS THE TAMARAC PARK FIELD LIGHTING.
THIS HAS A TOTAL COST OVER TIME OF $996,000.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS THE EARLY STAGES OF THAT PROJECT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.
THOSE WHICH AMOUNTS TO $225,000,
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THAT'S THE ESTIMATE THAT'S BEING USED FOR THE EARLY STAGES OF THE PROJECT.ANOTHER PROJECT IS THE SPORTS COMPLEX MULTIPURPOSE PATHWAY, WHICH IS A PROJECT THAT HAS A TOTAL COST OF $429,791.
IT INCLUDES $320,000 FOR RECREATIONAL TRAILS PROGRAM OR WE'RE EXPECTING A GRANT TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS.
WE'RE SEEKING A GRANT OF $320,000 FROM THE RECREATIONAL TRAILS PROGRAM.
WHAT THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF, IT CONSISTS OF REPLACING EIGHT-FOOT WIDE ASPHALT PATHWAY WITH A 10 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE PATHWAY.
MOVING FROM EIGHT-FOOT WIDE ASPHALT, 10 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE.
IT'S THE EXPANSION OF THE PATHWAY IS GOING TO INCLUDE AREAS AROUND EVENT AREAS AND FOOTBALL SOCCER FIELDS.
THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED ANNUALLY IN THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUNDS THAT ARE REGULAR AND ROUTINE REPLACEMENTS THAT ARE DONE BY IT.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUNDS FOR IT'S ROUTINE REGULAR MAINTENANCE PROJECTS IS $401,000.
THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT MAKE UP THAT $401,000 YOU'VE GOT THAT WORKS WITH REPLACEMENTS.
YOU'VE GOT IBM SERIES SERVER REPLACEMENTS, YOU'VE GOT IT DATA CLOSETS, YOU'VE GOT AV EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THAT INCLUDES THE AV IN CITY HALL CHAMBERS.
MOVING ON TO THE CITIES TAXABLE VALUE HISTORY.
THIS IS A DECADE LONG, THAT THIS TABLE SHOWS A DECADE LONG CLIMB OUT OF THE LOSS AND TAXABLE VALUE THAT WAS CREATED BY THE GREAT RECESSION BACK IN 2009.
YOU CAN SEE NOW THAT WHAT WE GOT FOR AN ESTIMATE FOR CITY TAXABLE VALUE FOR 2024 IS A 9.88 PERCENT INCREASE.
THAT'S SLIGHTLY DOWN FROM LAST YEAR.
LAST YEAR WE HAD A 12.29 PERCENT TOTAL INCREASE IN CITY TAXABLE VALUE.
WHAT WE'RE FORECASTING TO BE CONSERVATIVE GOING FORWARD IS A FOUR PERCENT AND THREE PERCENT INCREASE AND 4-5 IN 2026.
THAT'S WHAT WE USE FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE GENERAL FUND BUDGETS FOR THE OUT YEARS.
AGAIN, THAT'S TO BE CONSERVATIVE.
IT'S BETTER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE MONEY, COME IN THAN WHAT YOU FORECAST AND HAVE TO GO AND TRY AND FIND IT.
TAKING A LOOK AT A HISTORY OF THE MILLAGE RATES AND THE TAX REVENUE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024, BASED ON A 7.00 MILLAGE RATE.
IF IT STAYED, THAT REMAINS FLAT, YOU WOULD HAVE A 9.88 PERCENT INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE.
WHAT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE IS SOME OF THE TAX REVENUE IN THE PRIOR YEARS WHERE THE MILLAGE RATE WAS ADJUSTED RESULTED IN A LOWER INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE THAN INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE.
I'LL SHOW YOU A TABLE IN THE NEXT SLIDE THAT CAPTURES THAT IDEA A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BASED ON THE 9.88 PERCENT INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE, YOU WOULD HAVE BUDGETED THE BUDGET FOR PROPERTY TAX WOULD BE $38.9 BILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024, $40.5 BILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 BASED ON A FOUR PERCENT INCREASE AND $41.7 MILLION OR 2026 BASED ON A THREE PERCENT INCREASE.
THIS TABLE COMPARES THE CHANGE IN TAXABLE VALUE TO THE CHANGE IN TAX REVENUE THAT OCCURRED OVER THE LAST 10 OR SO YEARS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT BY REDUCING THE MILLAGE RATE IN FISCAL YEAR 2020 AND 2023, WHERE WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN AT 12.29 PERCENT INCREASE IN
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REVENUES WAS REDUCED TO A 9.18 PERCENT INCREASE IN REVENUES.YOU HAD A 12.29 INCREASE IN VALUE.
BUT YOU ENDED UP WITH A 9.18 PERCENT INCREASE IN REVENUE AS A RESULT OF ADJUSTING THE MILLAGE RATE.
LEAVING THE MILLAGE RATE FLAT, AGAIN, FOR 2024, A 9.88 PERCENT TAXABLE VALUE INCREASE WOULD YIELD A 9.88 PERCENT INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE.
THIS TABLE SHOWS WHAT THE CHANGES IN TAXABLE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE AND PROPERTY TAX REVENUE BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 2023 AND FISCAL YEAR 2024.
IT COMPARES JULY 1 CERTIFIED VALUES OF LAST YEAR TO JUNE 1 ESTIMATED VALUES OF THIS YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE IS SIGNIFICANT.
IT'S ALMOST $500 MILLION FROM FISCAL YEAR '23 AND '24.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE CHANGE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE ACTUALLY WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THE LOWER THE NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE, THE LOWER THE ROLLBACK RATE SO IT PUTS DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON THE ROLLBACK RATE.
YOU END UP WITH A LOWER ROLLBACK RATE.
HAD YOU KEPT THE SAME VALUE, THE SAME LEVEL OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
BECAUSE THE ROLLBACK RATE IS LOWER, ALSO THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE AND THE OTHER VOTE RATES THAT ARE CALCULATED ARE LOWER TOO, THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE AND THE 2/3 VOTE RATE ALSO BE PUSHED DOWN AS A RESULT OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE BEING REDUCED.
I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT ONE WHEN WE GET TO THE MILLAGE RATE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS HERE THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN TAX REVENUE, BUDGET AND TAX REVENUE AS A RESULT OF THE CHANGE IN TAXABLE VALUE FROM '23-'24 IS APPROXIMATELY THREE-AND-A-HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
YOU GET A THREE-AND-A-HALF MILLION DOLLAR INCREASE AS A RESULT OF THE NEW TAXABLE VALUE.
BUT MOST OR ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN EATEN UP IN OPERATIONAL INCREASES AND INCREASES THAT WE'VE HAD TO MAKE THE TRANSFERS TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS.
ALTHOUGH THAT MONEY IS THERE, IT'S BEEN EATEN UP IN OPERATIONAL CHANGES.
THIS TABLE SHOWS THE SHIFT IN THE TAX BURDEN FROM FISCAL YEAR '23 - '24.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TAX BURDEN CONTINUES TO SHIFT MORE TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY INTO CONDOMINIUMS. AGAIN, EVERY YEAR WE SEE THE SAME THING.
IT SHIFTS MORE AND MORE TOWARDS SINGLE-FAMILY.
THAT'S BECAUSE THE CITY IS DEVELOPING A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE A DIVERSIFIED TAX BASE.
YOU WANT TO SHIFT MORE OF THAT TAX BASE ON TO IMPROVE COMMERCIAL.
BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND MOST OF THE CITY'S TAX BASE IS HOMESTEAD AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UNLESS THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS AND THERE'S A SALE TRANSACTION THAT'S LIMITED TO A THREE PERCENT INCREASE IN VALUE.
THE NINE PERCENT INCREASE IN VALUE WAS DRIVEN MAINLY BY CHANGES IN PROPERTY TRANSACTIONS.
PROPERTIES COMING OFF SAVE OUR HOMES, AND THEN THEY'LL EVENTUALLY GO BACK ON.
BUT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS CAPPED AT 10 PERCENT.
THE MORE AND MORE PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN GET YOUR TAX BASE THAT'S COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE MORE AND MORE TAX REVENUE FROM THAT.
YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO DIVERSIFY YOUR TAX BASE WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AND REALLY BEEF UP THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, GET SOME MORE VALUE THERE ON THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SIDE.
IT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN A CITY THAT'S BUILT OUT, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LAND TO DEVELOP FROM NEW.
YOU CAN LOOK AT IT A LOT OF ADAPTIVE REUSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET YOUR COMMERCIAL TAX BASE CHARGED UP.
LET'S START WITH THERE'S TRIM COMPLIANCE.
THERE ARE CERTAIN TRIM MILLAGE RATES THAT WE HAVE TO CALCULATE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE.
YOU HAVE TO CALCULATE THESE RATES IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU USE
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A NOTICE OF PROPOSED BUDGET HEARING OR A NOTICE OF PROPOSED TAX INCREASE WHEN YOU PUBLISH YOUR NOTICE IN SEPTEMBER.YOU ALSO USE THESE CALCULATED RATES TO DETERMINE WHAT VOTE IS REQUIRED BY THE COMMISSION OR THE GOVERNING BODY IN ORDER TO ADAPT THE MILLAGE RATE.
THE FIRST RATE THAT YOU HAVE TO CALCULATE IS THE ROLLED-BACK RATE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ROLLED-BACK RATE IS.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY IT THE BEST I CAN.
WHAT THE ROLLED-BACK RATE IS, IT IS A MILLAGE RATE THAT WHEN APPLIED TO AN AMOUNT THAT IS EQUAL TO THE NEW TAXABLE VALUE LESS THAN NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE THAT WAS CONTRIBUTED.
YOU TAKE THE NEW VALUE, YOU REDUCE THAT BY THE NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE THAT WAS CONTRIBUTED.
YOU APPLY A MILLAGE RATE, WHATEVER THAT IS TO THAT AMOUNT.
THE MILLAGE RATE THAT GENERATES THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE THAT WAS GENERATED IN THE PRIOR YEAR, THAT'S THE ROLLED-BACK RATE.
THAT DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN USE A NOTICE OF BUDGET HEARING OR A NOTICE OF PROPOSED TAX INCREASE AS YOUR ADVERTISEMENT IN SEPTEMBER.
THE RULE IS THAT IF YOU'RE PROPOSING ANY MILLAGE RATE, THAT'S OVER THE ROLLED-BACK RATE, YOU NEED TO USE A NOTICE OF PROPOSED TAX INCREASE.
ONLY TIME YOU CAN USE A NOTICE OF BUDGET HEARING IS IF YOU'RE AT THE ROLLED-BACK RATE OR LOW.
THE NEXT MILLAGE RATE THAT YOU NEED TO CALCULATE IS THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE MILLAGE RATE.
THAT IS THE ROLLED-BACK RATE ADJUSTED FOR THE GROWTH IN FLORIDA PERSONAL INCOME.
NOW THIS YEAR, THE GROWTH OF FLORIDA PERSONAL INCOME WAS 1.0284, AND LAST YEAR IT WAS 1.0663.
THAT'LL TELL YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT YOUR MAJORITY VOTE RATE'S GOING TO BE LOWER BECAUSE YOU'RE ADJUSTING IT BY A SMALLER FACTOR.
>> WE HAVE DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE AS A RESULT OF THE CHANGE IN FLORIDA PERSONAL INCOME GROWTH.
THE LAST RATE THAT YOU NEED TO CALCULATE IS THE MAXIMUM TWO-THIRDS VOTE, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE, IT'S 110 PERCENT OF THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE.
YOU'VE GOT ALL THREE OF THOSE RATES.
YOU'VE GOT THE ROLLED-BACK RATE, THAT'S 6.3635.
YOU'VE GOT THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE, THAT'S 6.5442.
>> MAXIMUM RATE THAT'S ALLOWED FOR A TWO-THIRDS VOTE.
WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IS BASED ON A 7.000 MILLAGE RATE PROPOSED, TO ADOPT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A TWO-THIRDS VOTE. GO AHEAD.
>> NO, FINISH YOUR STATEMENT AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
>> IN FACT, I WAS JUST GOING TO EMPHASIZE WHAT JEFF IS TALKING ABOUT THE TWO-THIRDS VOTE OR MAJORITY VOTE MEANS THAT FOUR OUT OF FIVE NEEDS TO VOTE TO ADOPT THAT MILLAGE RATE.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING THAT WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE.
>> MOVING ON. ANY RATE ABOVE THE TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE RATE WOULD NEED A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
WE'RE PROPOSING, 7.000 MILS [NOISE]
>> BASED ON THE CALCULATED ROLLBACK RATES WE'RE USING FROM THE JUNE 1 ESTIMATED VALUES.
AT THIS TIME WOULD REQUIRE A TWO-THIRDS VOTE.
THE COMMISSION CAN ONLY ACHIEVE A TWO-THIRDS VOTE WITH FOUR OUT OF FIVE.
THERE IS NO VOTE COMBINATION THAT GETS THIS GOVERNING BODY TO TWO-THIRDS.
NOW, BASED ON THE CALCULATED MILLAGE RATES THAT I JUST WALKED THROUGH DEFINITIONS OF, THIS SHOWS WHAT THE TAX REVENUE WOULD BE GENERATED FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE RATES.
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BUT TOP-LINE IS THE CURRENT PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF SEVEN BASED ON THE TAXABLE VALUE, BASED ON THE JULY 1 CERTIFIED VALUES OF LAST YEAR.IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET FOR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.
WE HAVE $35,463,151 AT THE PROPOSED 7.000 MILS USING THE NEW TAXABLE VALUE.
BUDGETED AT 95 PERCENT, THAT'S $38,966,889.
THE ROLLED-BACK RATE WOULD ACTUALLY GENERATE BUDGETED REVENUE.
IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET.
IT WOULD GENERATE $35,423,686.
THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE WOULD GENERATE SLIGHTLY MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET THAT WOULD GENERATE $36,429,588.
THE MAXIMUM TWO-THIRDS VOTE RATE OF 7.1986 BUDGETED AT 95 PERCENT WOULD GENERATE 40,072,435.
NOW, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE DOLLAR DIFFERENCE WOULD BE FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE MILLAGE RATES.
THIS TABLE SHOWS THE DOLLAR DIFFERENCE, THE CHANGE IN BUDGETED TAX REVENUE FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE MILLAGE RATES.
THE CHANGE REVENUE FOR THE PROPOSED 7.00 MILS IS $3.503 MILLION.
THE CHANGE IN BUDGETED REVENUE FROM THE ROLLED-BACK RATE IS A REDUCTION OF $39,466.
THE CHANGE FROM THE BUDGETED REVENUE WOULD COME FROM THE MAJORITY VOTE RATE IS AN INCREASE OF $966,437.
THE CHANGE IN BUDGETED REVENUE THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THE MAXIMUM TWO-THIRDS VOTE, MILLAGE RATE IS $4,609,284.
I SHOWED YOU FIRST, WE DEFINED EACH ONE OF THE MILLAGE RATES AND I SHOWED YOU WHAT THE BUDGETED PROPERTY TAX REVENUE WOULD BE FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE MILLAGE RATES AND I SHOWED YOU WHAT THE CHANGE WOULD BE FROM THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGETS.
NOW, THIS TABLE SHOWS THE CHANGE IN AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUES AND THE TAXES THAT WOULD BE LEVIED USING A 7.000 MILLAGE RATE.
ONE OF THE IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS TABLE IS THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE INCREASE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, THE INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE OF TAMARAC SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE COUNTYWIDE AVERAGE INCREASE.
THE SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR THE CONDOMINIUMS. THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE INCREASES, NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE COUNTYWIDE TAXABLE VALUE INCREASE.
KEEPING THAT IN MIND, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN COMPONENTS THAT TOGETHER MAKE UP THE FORMULA FOR THE TAX REVENUE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE, WHICH IS A FUNCTION OF VALUE, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE TAX RATE.
IF VALUES ARE A CHALLENGE AND THEY'RE NOT STAYING UP WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY.
YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE REVENUE TO FUND YOUR OPERATIONS AND TO PROPERLY FUND YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
I GUESS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT YOU GOT TO MAKE UP FOR IT SOMEWHERE AND A LOT OF TIMES IF IT'S NOT IN THE VALUE,
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THE WAY YOU MAKE UP FOR IT'S IN THE RATE.THE MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUES, THIS TABLE SHOWS WHAT THE CHANGE IS IN THE MEDIAN.
SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO LOOK AT THE AVERAGE, SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO LOOK AT THE MEDIAN, WE GAVE YOU BOTH.
LOOKING AT THE MEDIAN, THE SAME HOLDS TRUE.
THE INCREASE IN THE MEDIAN OF A SINGLE-FAMILY AND THE INCREASE IN THE MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE OF A CONDOMINIUM IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE COUNTYWIDE AVERAGE.
ALSO, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT THE MEDIAN SINGLE-FAMILY TAXABLE VALUE OF A TAMARAC PROPERTY BASED ON JUNE, 1 ESTIMATED VALUE IS $160,325.
I'M HIGHLIGHTING THAT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO USE THAT INFORMATION IN A SLIDE LATER, AND I WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT NUMBER IN MIND, $160,325.
THE MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE OF TAMARAC SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES THE LAST TWO TABLES I SHOWED YOU AND IT TELLS A STORY.
THE STORY IS THAT TAMARAC REMAINS ONE OF THE BEST VALUES OF BROWARD COUNTY AND THAT'S DEMONSTRATED BY THE FACT THAT IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES, THE CURRENT RANKING, ALTHOUGH THE 2023 ADOPTED MILLAGE RATE WAS TENT HIGHEST IN BROWARD COUNTY, YOU RANK ANYWHERE FROM THIRD LOWEST, THE SEVENTH LOWEST AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES, EVERY SINGLE TAXABLE, FOR EVERY SINGLE-FAMILY TAXABLE VALUE, TAXES LEVIED ON THE AVERAGE SINGLE-FAMILY, AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE OF A CONDOMINIUM.
TAXES LEVIED ON THE AVERAGE CONDOMINIUM.
THE MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE OF A SINGLE FAMILY.
THE TAX IS LEVIED ON IMMEDIATE SINGLE-FAMILY.
THE MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE OF A CONDOMINIUM.
THE TAX IS LEVIED ON THE MEDIAN TAXABLE VALUE OF A CONDOMINIUM.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES, YOU RANK FROM THIRD LOWEST TO THE SEVENTH LOWEST IN THE COUNTY.
WE'RE GETTING THERE, WE'RE ALMOST DONE.
THIS TABLE SHOWS THE IMPACT ON A RESIDENTIAL TAXPAYER UNDER SAVE OUR HOMES.
NOW, GETTING BACK TO THAT $160,325 MEDIAN SINGLE-FAMILY TAXABLE VALUE.
THAT IS REPRESENTED IN THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED LINE AND LET ME EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS.
TO SAVE OUR HOME'S ASSESSED VALUE IS BEFORE EXEMPTIONS.
IF YOU APPLY THE TWO $25,000 HOMEOWNER EXEMPTIONS UNDER SAVE OUR HOMES TO THAT SOH VALUE, THE RESULT IS $160,325.
THIS TABLE ASSUMES THAT THE INCREASE IN VALUE FROM ONE YEAR TO THE OTHER IS AT A MAXIMUM THREE PERCENT UNDER SAVE OUR HOMES.
A PROPERTY THAT HAD SAVED OUR HOME'S VALUE THIS YEAR OF 210,325, WHICH EQUATES TO A TAXABLE VALUE AFTER EXEMPTIONS OF 163,325 WOULD HAVE HAD TO SAVE OUR HOME'S VALUE OF $204,000 A YEAR BEFORE.
THE TOTAL IMPACT ANNUAL INCREASE IN CITY OF TAMARAC TAXES.
NOW THIS IS JUST THE CITY OF TAMARAC TAXES.
BASED ON THIS 7.000 MILLAGE RATE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $43 FOR THE YEAR.
THIS TABLE SHOWS YOU ALL THE VARIOUS OTHER VALUES, TAXABLE VALUES, AND WHAT THE INCREASE WOULD BE AS A RESULT OF KEEPING THE MILLAGE RATE FLAT SEVEN.
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IT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM $15 UP TO A LITTLE OVER $100 FOR A PROPERTY THAT HAS A SAVE OUR HOMES VALUE OF $500,000.BUT I FIGURED I WOULD USE THE MEDIAN SINGLE-FAMILY TAXABLE VALUE AS AN EXAMPLE TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
THEY WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT AN ANNUAL INCREASE OF $43 IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC PROPERTY HERE.
THAT'S ABOUT THE REPORT, BUT IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN $4 A MONTH.
LAST, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE YOU WITH SOME KEY TRIM COMPLIANCE DATES WE HAVE UPCOMING.
WEDNESDAY, JULY 12TH, WE'LL BE BRINGING YOU A PRELIMINARY MILLAGE RATE RESOLUTION.
THIS MILLAGE RATE THAT'S IN THIS RESOLUTION WOULD NOT EXCEED THE RATE FOR TRIMMING NOTICES AND THE RATE CAN ONLY BE ADJUSTED DOWNWARD DURING THE SEPTEMBER PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT COST TO THE CITY, YOU COULD ADJUST IT UPWARD, BUT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO RE-ADD AND RE-ADVERTISE IT AND WE BEAR THE COST OF ALL THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL OF THAT ADVERTISING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THIS MILLAGE RATE ON THE 12TH WILL NOT EXCEED THE RATE IN THE PRELIMINARY MILLAGE RATE RESOLUTION.
WE WILL ALSO BE BRINGING YOU FOUR PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT RESOLUTIONS FOR ADOPTION ON THE 12TH.
NEXT IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IN SEPTEMBER.
THAT'LL BE SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2023.
AT THAT HEARING, YOU WILL APPROVE A TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE AND BUDGET AND THE COMMISSION WOULD ALSO APPROVE THE FINAL ASSESSMENT RESOLUTIONS BEFORE THE FINAL ASSESSMENT RESOLUTIONS.
THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING IN SEPTEMBER WILL BE SEPTEMBER 26, 2023.
THAT WILL BE APPROVING THE FINAL MILLAGE RATE AND A FINAL ADOPTED BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2024.
WITH THAT, CHRISTINE AND I ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET OR THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE.
>> ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF BATHROOMS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
THIS IS 10: 40, WE'LL BE BACK HERE AT 10:50. WE'RE IN RECESS.
WELCOME BACK. IT IS 10: 51 AND WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION THAT ARE HERE AND WE WILL PROCEED.
COMMISSIONER DANIEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY TURNING THEIR CARDS OVER SO I FIGURED IT OUT.
>> WHERE UP TO QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WE SHOULD BE ASKING THE GENERAL QUESTIONS THAT WON'T BE GOING INTO DETAIL AFTERWARDS.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD IS I HAVE DETAILED QUESTIONS ON THINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO BE RECEIVING A PRESENTATION ON.
SO SHOULD I HOLD MY QUESTIONS? SHOULD WE HOLD ALL QUESTIONS UNTIL WE RECEIVE THE FULL PRESENTATION BECAUSE OUR QUESTIONS MIGHT BE ANSWERED LATER ON?
>> WELL, LET'S DO THE QUESTION, MAYOR.
THEN YOU NEED TO WE CAN WE CAN JUST SAY.
>> WELL, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT SOME OF THEM WHO'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED LATER ON.
>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND OTHER PROJECTS.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SO FAR PRESENTED PART OF THE BUDGET.
>> ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU READY? GOOD. YOU'RE NOT READY? YOU WANT ME TO GO? OKAY, FINE PEOPLE, I WOULD GO.
ONE IS A GENERAL COMPLEMENT TO OUR AWARD-WINNING FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND OUR TEAMS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNOW HOW HARD YOU GUYS WORK.
STEPHEN, GET US FROM STRATEGIC PLANNING TO HERE AND HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL WORK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND SO PLEASE KNOW THAT ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S NOT IN A FRAME TO SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING GOOD JOB.
WE JUST HAVE QUESTIONS AND WANT YOU TO KNOW.
WE DO APPRECIATE YOU. I'M GOING A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THE PAGE FRAME, LIKE WAY THE PRESENTATION WANT IT.
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IF IT SEEMS OUT OF BOUNCE BACK, IT MIGHT NOT BOUNCE BACK.BUT ANYWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS ON ELECTRONIC MARKETING BROCHURES AND THE ITEMS LIKE THAT FOR THE ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN MONEY.
I UNDERSTAND WE NEEDED PEOPLE ARE SAYING ALL THE TIME THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
HOW DO THEY HEAR ABOUT IT? ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
I DO KNOW THAT THE COST OF POSTAGE GOES UP, EVERYTHING'S GOING UP.
INTERNET AND ALL THAT STUFF AT ONCE WAS FREE AND ARE PUSHING THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA IS NOT AS FREE AS IT USED TO BE.
MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE THINGS, ARE WE STARTING TO TRACK PROGRESS ON THEM? OR HOW EFFECTIVE OUR INTERNET MARKETING, SOCIAL MEDIA MARKETING, MAIL MARKETING, ALL THESE THINGS, WILL WE HAVE A ABILITY OR WILL.
I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE AN ABILITY TO TRACK THIS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN I'M WALKING AROUND, HAVING A GREAT TIME AT OUR EVENTS ARE JUNETEENTH EVENT WAS GREAT EVEN WHEN PEOPLE LEFT MIDWAY BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTNING WARNINGS, WHICH I'M SORRY THAT THEY DID, THEY MISSED A REALLY GOOD REST OF THE TIME.
BUT THE PEOPLE I'M TALKING TO ARE FROM OTHER CITIES, EVEN OTHER COUNTIES.
AND THAT'S GREAT TOO. BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE US TO ANSWER THAT?
>> IF YOU'D WANT TO. IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR, I'M TRYING NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BECAUSE THE, GO AHEAD.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO AS PART OF THE EVENTS, YOU SEE SOME OF THE VOLUNTEERS AND SEE THE EMPLOYEES WALKING AROUND OR HAVE A STATION AND DO A SURVEY.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASK IS HOW DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS EVENT? THAT'S WHERE WE CAPTURE THE POSTCARD, WAS IT THE SOCIAL MEDIA? THAT'S HOW WE GAUGE. THE OTHER GENERAL GAUGE OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA REACH IS BY JUST THE NUMBERS THAT THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBERS OF FOLLOWERS AND LIKES AND COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS, WHICH BY ALL ACCOUNTS ARE GOING UP.
>> GOOD TO KNOW. THEN IF THERE'S WAYS TO DO SOME SURVEYS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE TO FIND OUT IF WE'RE DEALING WITH REAL PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC VERSUS POTENTIAL AI PEOPLE FROM OTHER PLACES? YES, WE ALL KNOW TECHNOLOGICALLY UNTRUSTING INDIVIDUAL WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THAT. I KNOW IT'S BEING HIDDEN.
>> BECAUSE I HAVE TO TELL YOU, TWITTER HAS BEEN THE BEST SOURCE FOR ME AT TIMES TO RECEIVE INFORMATION ABOUT SURVEYS.
EVEN LAST NIGHT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEETING WAS ON TWITTER EARLY THIS MORNING.
TWITTER HAS BEEN JUNETEENTH CITY BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION HAS BEEN MY SOURCE.
I JUST WANTED TO WHOEVER RUNS OR TWITTER, FOR THE SAKE OF DOING THE JOB.
>> EXCELLENT. I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO READ IT IF A BIRD FELL ON MY HEAD.
>> I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.
PERHAPS CERTAIN ANALYTICAL TRACKER ON A MONTHLY BASIS PUT ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ON THE LEFT COLUMN.
THAT THE GRAPH JUST GO UP AND DOWN THROUGH EACH MONTH AND THE YEAR PERHAPS WILL HELP US ANALYZE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S ANALYZED NOW.
BUT I THINK THAT'LL BE THE BEST WAY FOR US TO VISUALLY SEE WHICH SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM IT'S OUTPERFORMING WHAT DO WE.
THIS IS JUST MY INTAKE ON THAT.
>> GOOD. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CALL IF WE CAN DO IT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS OF SPENDING CAPITAL.
IF WE FIND THAT ONLY OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS TRACKING ON TWITTER.
>> WE MAY BE WANTING TO EITHER FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT BOOSTED ON TWITTER OR USE A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
BUT ALSO KNOWING THAT WE'RE SPENDING SOME MORE MONEY ON THE POSTAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEN THE ONLINE MARKETING.
I'M GLOSSING OVER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE WE'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE PATH AND THE MULTIPURPOSE CENTER AND THOSE THINGS SPECIFICALLY LATER ON.
>> IS THAT THE FARTHEST DETAIL WE'RE GOING INTO THAT ITEM? FOR THIS, I'M JUST GOING TO MARK MY PAGE.
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THE EXPANSION OF A PATHWAY INCLUDES AREAS AROUND THE EVENT AREA, MEANING THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD, AND THEN THE FOOTBALL AND SOCCER FIELDS.
I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH SAFETY COMING ACROSS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING AROUND IT OR WALKING AROUND IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT OUR PARKS AND
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I KNOW SOME OF THIS IS WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MEETINGS COMPLETED BEFORE TODAY'S BUDGET MEETING, SO WE'D BE ABLE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SAID.WE STILL HAVE DISTRICT ONE AND WE ADD THAT ONE OTHER GENERAL MEETING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SCHEDULED BETWEEN NOW AND BEFORE THE END OF THE SUMMER.
THEY SUGGESTED AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THEY WANT TO WALK, THEY WANT TO DO THINGS FOR VERY HOT.
ARE WE GOING TO BE ADDING ANYTHING FOR SHADE, MORE SHADE TREES? ARE WE GOING TO BE ADDING ANY OTHER SHADE STRUCTURE AND THE LIKE? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION YOU CAN ANSWER NOW.
>> I CAN. IT'S NOT SOME PART OF THIS PROJECT.
>> BUT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING TO IMPLEMENT IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ALL THIS ADDITIONAL WALKWAY, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO TREES AROUND THE MULTIPURPOSE FOOTBALL SOCCER FIELDS INCLUDING SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR RESIDENTS.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. WE HEARD FROM OUR RESIDENTS YESTERDAY IN A DIFFERENT SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION.
THEY WANTED MORE PROGRAMMING AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO GO TO THE PARKS.
AND SO WE DEFINITELY HEARD THAT WILL MAKE IT PART OF THE CONSIDERATION FOR THIS BUDGET AND FUTURE BUDGETS.
>> DOES ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS SCENE? I WAS GLAD TO SEE THE WALKWAY AROUND THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD BECAUSE THERE IS SOME POTHOLES AS YOU WALK THAT CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS TO THE SHADING.
BUT THE KIDS, WHOEVER THERE ARE A LOT OF GROWNUPS AT PLAY SOCCER AND I FEEL USE THE FIELD.
THEY DO ACTUALLY NEED TO FEEL YESTERDAY THE SHADING, BUT NOT LITERALLY ON THE FIELD BECAUSE WE KNOW.
>> NO WE'VE WORKED SO HARD FOR THIS FEELS NO.
I JUST MEANT LIKE TOWARDS THE EDGE, ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF IT TO HELP WITH WHATEVER SHADE ISSUE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A STRUCTURE.
EVEN IF IT'S A CANOPY OF SOME THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED SOMEHOW.
THE NEW PATHWAY PROPOSE IS CONCRETE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH MORE STABLE AND LONGER LAST THING.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY KNEE CONCERNS? WE HAVE TO HAVE ANY WORRIES ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW SOMEBODY HAD ASKED US IF WE WERE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING IN LIKE A.
>> BUT I THINK CONCRETE IS THE BEST AND MOST DURABLE AND IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE BIKING ON IT AND ROLLERBLADING OR ANY OTHER SORT, ROLLER SKATING VERSUS LEAVING MY REAR ON ROLLERBLADES.
THIS IS A COMBINATION PLAY THAT PAGES 54 THROUGH 57, YOU SHARE WITH US ABOUT MEDIAN INCOME HOMES AND WHAT IF THEY WERE ON SAVE OUR HOMES.
CAN YOU TELL US HOW MANY HOUSES? CONDOMINIUMS, EVERYTHING, HOW MUCH IS ON SAVE OUR HOMES.
OUT OF OUR BUDGET? HOW MANY OF THESE MULTIFAMILY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, CONDOMINIUM ON SAVE OUR HOMES. DO YOU KNOW?
>> I DON'T HAVE A TOTAL NUMBER OF PROPERTIES, BUT I KNOW FROM JUST ALL THE ANALYSIS I DO YEAR OVER YEAR, IT'S IN EXCESS OF 60 PERCENT OR MORE, OUR HANDS UNDER SAVE OUR HOME.
>> MEANING THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A MILLAGE RATE AND WE TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN INCREASE OR DECREASE, BUT MOSTLY ONLY THINGS HAPPENED WITH AN INCREASE AT THE SAME LEVEL.
MAJORITY OF OUR CITY IS ONLY PAYING THIS SAVE HOLMES AMOUNT.
THEY'RE NOT PAYING THE HIGHER AMOUNT SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE A NUMBER SO THAT THE 210 MEDIAN INCOME HOME UNDER SAVE OUR HOMES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE.
>> THEY GO UP UNDER SAVE OUR HOMES AND IT WENT UP 204,000-210,000 AND THEN YOU APPLY A $50,000 AT HOME HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND COMBINE $25,000.
>> SORRY, I JUST SENT HIM THE PAGE NUMBER 58.
>> THAT TAKES IT DOWN TO THE MEDIAN, 160,325.
MOST PROPERTY OWNERS, MOST CONDOMINIUM AND SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HOMESTEADERS SO THEY'RE INCREASING VALUE IS LIMITED TO THREE PERCENT YEAR OVER YEAR.
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IT ONLY ONES THAT ARE NOT OR ARE PROPERTIES THAT CELL THAT CHANGE HANDS AND COME OFF, SAY VAR HOLDS.>> BASICALLY, MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE AT THIS WILL BE PAYING $42, $43 TOTAL FOR THE INCREASE OF THE YEAR TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE SAVE OUR HOMES WOULD BE PAYING.
IS IT $100 MORE? IS IT $500 MORE TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC?
>> THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE VALUE CHANGE WAS.
>> THE VALUE CHANGING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO INCREASE.
I WAS USING IT AT THIS RATE SO BASICALLY.
>> THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE IF IT'S A $200,000 HOME AND WE HAD 9.EIDGHT PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR TAXABLE VALUE.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING UP TO THAT PERCENTAGE.
THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT A MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR CITY ARE ON SEVERAL HOMES THANKFULLY AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS ON THEIR TAX BILL, MAJORITY OF THAT IS ACTUALLY A SCHOOL BOARD, BROWARD COUNTY AND OUR HOSPITAL DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAVE OUR HOMES PROTECTION.
>> YEAH, THIS SAVE OUR HOMES APPLIES TO THE REST OF THE MILITARY TOO, BUT THE TOTAL MILLAGE RATE OF TAMARAC PROPERTIES IS BETWEEN 21 AND 22 MILS.
THE CITY OF TAMARAC ONLY REPRESENTS 34 PERCENT OF A TOTAL MILLAGE RATE.
>> IF WE'RE SEVEN PERCENT AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 21 PERCENT TOTAL MILS ON THE TAX BILL WERE ONLY SEVEN MILS OF ALL THAT PERCENTAGE?
>> WE'RE THE ONES WHO GIVE MOST OF THE BENEFIT FOR WHAT PEOPLE RECEIVE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. THANK YOU.
I NEED YOU TO DO FAVORITE, PLEASE.
CAN YOU ON PAGE 55, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT 55, YOU SAID NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE COUNTY INCREASE, NOT STAYING UP SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS ASKING ME IS THIS BECAUSE OF ALL THE DISCOUNTS THAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC GIVES TOWARDS THE 25,000 HERE, THE 25,000 THERE, WHAT WOULD IT BE THE REASON FOR YOUR COMMENT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.
>> STRICTLY VALUATION THIS DOES NOT FACTOR AND EXEMPTIONS OR IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE EXEMPTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT IS DRIVING THAT'S VALUE.
>> BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY.
IS THAT WHAT IT IS? I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.
>> ONE OF THE REASONS IS THAT WE HAVEN'T OLDEST STOCK OF CONDOMINIUMS AND SO THEIR VALUATION IS NOT [OVERLAPPING]
>> GOING BACK WITH THE REST OF THE CALENDAR.
>> THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE INCOME CONDOMINIUM
>> I SAID COUNTYWIDE MEDIAN SINGLE-FAMILY IS 20,960 AND THEN MEETING WIDE MEAN MEDIAN CONDOS COUNTYWIDE GOT HIM DOING GREAT, 4130 SO OUR CONDOMINIUM MEETING CONDOMINIUMS ARE ONLY GOING UP 8,830.
>> I THINK THE SAME THING APPLIES TO THE OLDER HOMES THAT WE HAVE AND TO 55 AND OLDER.
BECAUSE IF YOU SEPARATE IT, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE BULK OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE IN THAT HOME FALL NOWHERE IN THAT CATEGORY.
>> BECAUSE TO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS SAYING, WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMES IN TAMARAC, LUCKILY, THAT ARE OLDER CONDOMINIUM, OLDER TWO BEDROOM HOMES, 55 AND OLDER UNITS, THAT BRINGS DOWN OUR AVERAGE.
IF YOU TAKE THOSE SITUATIONS OUT, THE AVERAGE WOULD NOT BE THAT LOW.
>> BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEW STUFF GOING ON IN THE COUNTY.
>> MY HOUSE IS NEW AND THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE PRESENTED YOU WITH THE MEDIA AND ALSO BECAUSE THE AVERAGES ARE AFFECTED BY EXTREME HIGHS AND EXTREME LOWS.
>> I'M TRYING TO PROCESS ALL THE COMMENTS THAT'S COMING IN FROM ALL ANGLES SO FORGIVE ME AS I'M JUST PUTTING YOUR FULL SENTENCES TOGETHER.
I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME TIMES WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY SAY WHERE ON THE BOTTOM.
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS WONDERFUL LITTLE CHART CAN ACTUALLY SAY AVERAGE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME 25TH OUT OF 31, AVERAGE TAXES LEVEL LEVIED ON THIS AVERAGE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME 28 OUT OF 31 NOT SO BAD.
I THINK IT HELPS SHOW WE'RE ON THE BOTTOM, WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE ON THE LOWEST GIVING PEOPLE THE PERSPECTIVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'RE 31 CITIES IN THE COUNTY.
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WHILE WE ARE 10TH HIGHEST WHICH MEANS WE'RE 10 OUT OF 31, WE'RE REALLY THE LOWEST AND THIS IS HOW YOU CAN SEE OUR LOWEST.I AM SHARING SOME COMMENTARY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY SAY WE'RE SO HIGH, BUT NOT UNDERSTANDING IN THE PLACEMENT OF IT.
IT MIGHT BE THE RATE MAY SEEM HIGH BUT THE ACTUAL IS LOW AND LOOK HOW GOOD WE'RE DOING.
>> I COULD GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ON THAT IF YOU LIKE.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAXES LEVIED ON AN AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THERE'S ONLY TWO CITIES THAT ARE LOWER THAN YOU, AND THAT'S PEMBROKE PARK AND NORTH LAUDERDALE.
ALL THE OTHER CITIES IN BROWARD HAVE A HIGHER TAXES LEVIED ON THE AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME BASED IT ON THE JUNE 1 ESTIMATED VALUES IN 2023 ADOPTED MILLAGE RATES.
>> THEY HAVE TO HAVE BECAUSE OF [INAUDIBLE].
I WILL LEAVE THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS FOR WHEN WE GET INTO SOME NITTY-GRITTY ITEMS. THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, ARE YOU READY? I'M JUST GOING BY YOUR FLIP CARDS IF YOUR CARDS AREN'T.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO FLIPPED. NO ONE'S FLIPPED, NO OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'VE GOT TO FLIP. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
>> ON PAGE 7, SECOND POINT, GENERAL FUND CONTINUES TO HAVE STRONG RESERVES.
I QUOTE YOU, IT SAYS, "STILL STRONG." CAN YOU ELABORATE JUST A LITTLE BIT WHAT STILL STRONG MEANS SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND? VICE MAYOR, WHAT I'M SPEAKING PLEASE I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BE QUIET, I'LL APPRECIATE IT.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I RECALL FUND BALANCE AND EXCESS OF $55 MILLION DOLLARS.
WHEN WE SAY STILL STRONG, WE MEAN THAT WE STILL HAVE A STRONG ON BALANCE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT.
>> WHEN DOES THAT DISINTEGRATE? BY WHEN WILL IT BE GONE IF WE CONTINUE AT THE PACE THAT WE'RE GOING?
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF A PROJECTION ON WHEN IT'LL DISINTEGRATE.
>> IF I MAY JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE A FINANCIAL POLICY THAT REQUIRES US TO MAINTAIN.
WHAT DOES THAT CHRISTINE? 16 PERCENT OF THE CITY'S BUDGET.
>> 16 PERCENT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT WE CAN GO DOWN TO.
>> JUST A QUESTION ON PAGE 8, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION HAS NOW FAR SURPASSED $450 PER SQUARE FOOT. HOW DO WE GET THAT NUMBER?
>> FROM PUBLIC SERVICES AND FROM THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON.
>> THIS IS CITY RELATED CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS?
>> THAT'S CRAZY, I'M GOING PAGE BY PAGE BECAUSE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS.
I NOTICED PAGE 12 TO GROUNDSKEEPER ONE, IS THIS AN ADDITION TO THE GROUNDSKEEPER THAT WE ADDED LAST YEAR SO NOW WE HAVE TWO GROUNDKEEPERS?
>> THIS IS A NEW POSITION, SO AS WE ADD NEW PARKS AND NEW FACILITIES TO THE CITIES PORTFOLIO, THEN WE DO NEED TO ADD MORE STAFF TO MAINTAIN THEM.
>> NO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I RECALL US ADDING A GROUNDSKEEPER I BELIEVE LAST YEAR.
>> YES, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL GROUNDSKEEPER.
>> THIS WILL BE THE SECOND, NOW WE GOT OKAY.
ON PAGE 18, HOW MUCH ARE WE COLLECTING ON PERMITS FOR THE TREE TRIMMING AND OR TREE PERMITS?
>> DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT?
>> AS YOU RECALL COMMISSIONER WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE THAT PROGRAM OVER.
IT'S ON THE AGENDA, THE SECOND READING AND WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU AS WELL AS SOME FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADOPTION.
>> ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT JUST HOLD IT OFF TOO.
>> YEAH, AND COLLECTED SO WE'RE PROJECTING THAT WHATEVER IS COLLECTED WILL BE AN EXCESS OF [INAUDIBLE].
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>> I DON'T THINK I HAVE ENOUGH TIME ON THAT FOR THAT FOR A LATER TIME.
PAGE 21 WHEN IT COMES TO PARKS AND RECREATION WITH A SUNSET POINT HAMMOCK, THE ALLOCATION OF $17,600 IS THERE AMOUNT OF CLASSES OR ACTIVITIES THAT IT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED, OR WE JUST THROWING A NUMBER LIKE A SET SCHEDULE FOR SUMMER, WINTER?
>> FOR THE RECORD GREG WARNER DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, THERE'S NO SET NUMBER AT THIS POINT THAT'S A NUMBER SET.
WE HAVE A GRANT THAT WAS APPLIED FOR AND AWARDED FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES FOR THAT PROJECT IN THAT, THOSE ARE THE DOLLARS THAT WE WILL UTILIZE TO CONTRACT WITH AN OUTSIDE COMPANY.
ORIGINALLY IT WAS YOUNG AT ART, SO WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE THAT WITH THEM AND THAT WAS A DOLLAR FIGURE WE WERE GIVEN.
>> THANK YOU GREG. ON PAGE 22 WHEN IT COMES TO IT, THE CAMERA INTEGRITY, MONITOR LICENSING, IS THAT GOING TO SPECIFIC LOCATIONS?
>> NO. AS YOU KNOW AS PART OF THE SECURITY MASTER PLAN WE'VE BEEN INSTALLING SECURITY CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IS THAT WHEN ONE OF THOSE CAMERAS GO DOWN, IT TAKES US A WHILE TO FIND OUT THAT THAT CAMERA IS NOT FUNCTIONAL.
THIS SYSTEM WOULD ACTUALLY NOTIFY US WHEN ONE OF OUR CAMERAS IS NOT FUNCTIONAL.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO DOCUSIGN, IT SAYS IT ACTS AS LEAD. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>> THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE PLANNED TO IMPLEMENT THE DOCUSIGN THE ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE SYSTEM, AND IT A CITYCOP INITIATED PROJECT BUT IT WILL BE MANAGED BY IT IN TERMS OF DEPLOYMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION.
>> THIS WOULD BE FOR EVERY CITY PERSON GOES TO THE EMAILS TO RESIDENTS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE DROPPING OFF DOCUMENTS OR?
>> THAT'S THE INTENTION TO CONVERT OUR MANUAL DOCUMENTS INTO MORE ELECTRONIC FORMS AND ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES.
>> OKAY. WHEN YOU GO TO PAGE 24 FOR THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL FISCAL YEAR '24 BUDGET WHEN IT COMES TO TAMARAC VILLAGE, CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN, THERE'S THREE OF US THAT WERE NOT HERE WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE LEASE THE LAND FOR 100 YEARS OR ONE OF THE PARCELS OR ONE OF THE PHASES WILL BE COMING BACK TO US.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE A PRINCIPAL BALANCE OF $16 MILLION.
HOW MUCH BACK ARE WE RECEIVING FROM TAMARAC VILLAGE?
>> THIS IS OUR REMAINING OUTSTANDING BALANCE FOR THE ACCUMULATION OF ALL THOSE PROPERTIES BACK IN STARTING 2008, 2007 AT THAT TIME FOR THIS PURPOSE AND SO THE CURRENT REVENUE UNDER THE NAME OF FINES UNTIL THE TAMARAC VILLAGE PURCHASES THOSE PARCELS THAT THEY BUILT ON IS ABOUT $750,000.
>> CURRENTLY, WHEN THE LEASE FIRST STARTED, WE RECEIVE $1 MILLION FROM JKM, AS PART OF THE LEASE.
NOW WE RECEIVE $300 A YEAR REALLY FOR $100 A YEAR FOR EACH PARCEL AND THERE'S A POINT IN TIME, 60 MONTHS, WHEN THAT WILL INCREASE THE $400,000 A YEAR FOR EACH PARTS SO WE'RE GOING TO EXPECTING TO RECEIVE [OVERLAPPING]
>> 800,000 THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THIS PAYMENT.
>> 800,000 ANNUALLY FOR HOW LONG?
>> UNTIL THEY PURCHASE THE PARCEL THAT THEY LIVE ON AND THAT PURCHASE PRICE IS SET BY CONTRACTORS, WELL, AND THAT CHANGES EVERY YEAR.
>> PAGE 27, WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE RESCUE FUND, NEW POSITIONS CHANGES.
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CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE RESPONSE TIME NOW IS AND THE RESPONSE TIME THAT WILL BE AFTER?>> GOOD MORNING. FOR THE RECORD, MIKE ANNESE, FIRE CHIEF.
THE RESPONSE TIME NOW IT'S ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AND 20 SECONDS APPROXIMATELY.
THAT'S COMING FROM 41 BEING THE CLOSEST ENGINE FOR THAT DISTRICT.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ANTICIPATED AMOUNT UNTIL WE PUT THE TRUCK IN SERVICE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE WOULD HOPE TO SHAVE OFF SOME SIGNIFICANT TIME.
YOU LOOK AT THE DISTANCE TRAVELED, THAT ALONE IS ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF TO TWO MINUTES OR SO JUST DRIVING IT SO WE'RE HOPING FOR AN IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE HAVING A TRUCK PHYSICALLY THEY WILL IMPROVE THAT RESPONSE JUST LOGICALLY HAVING CLOSER.
>> PAGE 20 FOR FIRE RESCUE FUND, WHEN IT COMES TO THE AED DEVICE CITYWIDE, THIS WILL CONCLUDE ALL OF OUR FACILITIES HAVING AED ACCESSIBILITY?
>> I WOULD SAY WE'RE REPLACING, SORRY, LET ME JUST SEE HOW MANY WE'RE REPLACING, THE AEDS, PHASE 2 WE ARE REPLACING 14.
THAT SHOULD BE ALL OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
WE HAVE 28, I BELIEVE, OUT THERE SO THAT'S THE OTHER HALF SO THEY'LL ALL BE UPDATED AND NEW UNITS.
>> WOULD THAT REPLACEMENT ALL OF OUR FACILITIES HAVE AT LEAST ONE AED?
>> AT LEAST, YES, AT THIS TIME.
>> PAGE 29, WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE INCREASED FUNDING FOR CREDIT CARD MERCHANT FEES TO BETTER ALIGN WITH HISTORICAL ACTUALS.
>> TRUE. WHEN OUR CUSTOMERS USE CREDIT CARD TO PAY FOR THEIR PERMITS AND OTHER FEES, WE DO PAY A MERCHANT FEE TO THE SERVICE PROVIDER AND THAT'S GOING UP BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS USING CREDIT CARDS TO MAKE THEIR PAYMENTS IS GOING UP.
>> AND INSTEAD, NORMAL THREE TO THREE-AND-A HALF PERCENT MERCHANT FEES, DO WE KNOW?
>> USUALLY, WHEN YOU INCREASE IN VOLUME, YOU GET A LOWER MERCHANT FEE.
WHY WOULD THAT BE INCREASED, [INAUDIBLE]?
>> MERCHANT FEES, I BELIEVE THEY'RE UNDER TWO PERCENT.
IT'S A VERY FAVORABLE CONTRACT, AND IT'S SIMPLY THE NUMBER OF TRANSACTIONS THAT'S GOING UP AND SO SIMPLY PAYING FOR THOSE TRANSACTIONS.
YEAR AFTER YEAR, THE CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS KEEP GOING UP.
NOBODY'S COMING IN WITH A CHECK-IN.
>> I NOTICE THAT ON PAGE 31, THE ACTION TAB, IT SAYS RE-CLASS.
HAVE WE STARTED RECLASSIFICATIONS ON ALL OF THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE?
>> NOT YET? AND WHY ARE WE USING A RE-CLASS NOW OUT OF CURIOSITY?
>> THERE'S SOME POSITIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL PROCESS THAT REQUIRES THAT.
>> PAGE 33, LADIES OPERATING FUND, NEW POSITIONS.
THE FIRST TAB SAYS ADD ADDITIONAL.
INCLUDING THIS PROJECT MANAGER, INCLUDING VEHICLE.
CAN ANYONE SPECIFY WHAT VEHICLE AND WHAT THAT COST IS VERSUS INCORPORATING THE VEHICLE WITHIN THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND ALSO, IS THAT PRODUCT MANAGER GOING TO BE UTILIZING THAT VEHICLE?
>> TYPICALLY AS PART OF THAT BUDGET.
TYPICALLY, THE VEHICLE THAT WE PURCHASE IS AN F150 OR SOME PICKUP TRUCK FOR THAT POSITION.
>> I'M ALMOST DONE, I PROMISE.
ON PAGE 41 FOR FYI 2024, PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
ARE WE GOING TO GO INTO DETAILS AFTER THIS SEGMENT OF THE PRESENTATION?
>> IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE CIP, GO AHEAD.
>> I GUESS. I KNOW WE WENT BACK-AND-FORTH WITH ATTORNEY HANZ ON SHAKER VILLAGE AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE
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ACQUIRING A PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE SELLER BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE SELLER IS BECAUSE THE SELLER IS 400-PLUS UNITS OR HOWEVER MANY UNITS THERE IS IN THERE.MY QUESTION IS, ARE THE HOMEOWNERS THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SELLING OR WHO IS THE BENEFICIARY? I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO SELL A PROPERTY THAT BELONGS TO SO MANY INDIVIDUALS BUT THAT'S A SIDE [OVERLAPPING]
BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHO IS THE BENEFICIARY OF US PAYING $9 MILLION FOR SHAKER VILLAGE?
WILL THERE BE A MORE FULL PRESENTATION ON SHAKER VILLAGE AND THE POTENTIAL PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD LATER ON?
>> LET'S LEAVE THIS SO WE CAN HAVE A FULL CONVERSATION THAT WON'T BE DISJOINTED.
>> NO, TODAY WILL WE BE DISCUSSING? [OVERLAPPING]
>> NOT TODAY. NO. WE'LL BRING THIS BACK TO YOU ON JULY 10TH, I BELIEVE, AS PART OF THE WORKSHOP.
>> WE'RE TALKING BUDGET FOR TODAY THEN.
>> MY QUESTION IS, WHO IS THE BENEFICIARY OF US SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY?
>> COMMISSIONER, ONLY CERTAIN PORTION OF THAT IS FOR THE PROCUREMENT FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER COST IS ESTIMATED SOMEWHERE AROUND $6, 7 MILLION, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT NINE MILLION DOLLARS.
>> THAT INCLUDES SOME OF ITS OPERATIONS IN THERE?
>> OPERATIONS ARE NOT INCLUDED.
>> IT'S NOT INCLUDED. WE'RE GOING TO GO AWAY BEYOND THE 10 MILLION.
>> THAT'S JUST THAT THE IMPROVEMENT PRODUCTS.
>> GOT IT. ONCE WE BUY THE SHAKER VILLAGE PROPERTY, WHO IS THE BENEFICIARY OF THAT MONEY? IS MY QUESTION.
>> I CAN DIFFER TO CITY ATTORNEY, BUT IN GENERAL TERMS, THE BENEFICIARY IS THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
>> WHO IS PUTTING TOGETHER THAT ALL THE HOMEOWNERS' OR THE MAJORITY THEREOF, PROBABLY 75 PERCENT OF IT SIGNED OFF THAT THEY WANT TO SELL SHAKER VILLAGE?
>> I'LL DIFFER THIS TO THE ATTORNEY.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION IF THIS COMMISSION APPROVED THE PURCHASE, IF OBVIOUSLY THE SECOND VILLAGE BOARD APPROVED A BENEFICIARY WOULD BE A PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT WOULDN'T BE OBVIOUSLY ONLY THE RESONANCE OF SHAKER VILLAGE WOULD HAVE EXCLUSIVE USE PUBLIC, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE ABILITY TO SELL THE PROPERTY, THAT'S A DETERMINATION MADE BY THE ATTORNEY AND THE ASSOCIATION.
THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY INDICATED TO US THROUGH CONVERSATION THAT THE ASSOCIATION HAS ABILITY TO SELL UNDER THE ASSOCIATION BY LAWS WERE OUT-OF-ORDER FOR YEAR LONG.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, OBVIOUSLY, A CORPORATE RESOLUTION ANYTHING THAT WAS VOTED ON BY THE BOARD.
WE WOULD CONDUCT A NECESSARILY DUE DILIGENCE.
MY EXPERIENCE, I HAVE PURCHASED PROPERTY FROM CONDO ASSOCIATION IN THE PAST.
THE CONDO BOARD HAS TO VOTE ON IT, AND THEY HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT OPERAND THE LEGAL GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF WHETHER THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON IT WITH OR WITHOUT UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
>> BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AS A HOMEOWNER THERE, IF I DON'T GIVE CONSENT TO THAT, THAT'S ONE LESS VOTE.
I DON'T SEE HOW THE ASSOCIATION BOARD CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION FOR ALL THE HOMEOWNERS THAT LIVE THERE AND THE ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTS THEM, JUST SAY, YES, CITY OF TAMARAC, GO AHEAD AND BUY IT.
I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE AN IMMENSE OF TIME SPENT ON DUE DILIGENCE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY OFF WITH THAT PURCHASE, I BARELY HAVE SEEN A BOARD APPROVE BY SUPER-MAJORITY TO ALLOW A PROPERTY THAT EVERYBODY OWNS A PIECE OF TO BE DISSEMINATED.
I'M IN HOPES THAT EVEN IF THIS COMMISSION DOES EVEN APPROVE IT UNANIMOUSLY, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S EVEN LEGAL.
I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MORE QUESTIONS THERE RELATED ON.
>> THIS IS STAFF JOB TO BRING THE MATTER TO YOU.
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MAKE SURE ALL THE LEGAL ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED.WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY, BOUGHT PROPERTY IN THE PAST.
WE JUST HAD A RECENT PURCHASE WHERE THE SELLER WAS BASICALLY FIRED HIS ATTORNEY AND SAY, I'M NOT GOING FORWARD WITH THE CLOSING.
OUR JOB WAS LIKE, LOOK, WE HAVE A CONTRACT, WE CONDUCT DUE DILIGENCE.
THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO FULFILL AND YOU NEED TO FULFILL IT.
EVENTUALLY YOU SELL A FULFILLMENT.
WE'LL FOLLOW THE SAME NECESSARILY DUE DILIGENCE IS UP TO SHAKER VILLAGE BOARD AND IT'S ATTORNEY TO CLEARLY GIVE THE BOARD THE LEGAL AUTHORITY WHETHER THEY CAN SELL IT WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE OWNERS.
WE ALSO, FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, WE DO OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE.
WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE THE TITLE SEARCHED, TITLE COMMITMENT AND WILL TELL US WHO ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY.
>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK COMMISSIONER DANIEL WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS.
AND SINCE IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING TOPIC BY TOPIC AND LETTING PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
HE'S GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND WE'RE NOW LIKE THE OTHER ONE WHERE THERE WAS QUESTIONS ON FEES.
COMMISSIONER WRIGHT CAME IN AND TALKED ABOUT STORING THINGS ON FEE.
SO WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF SHAKER VILLAGE, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE FUNDING.
>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.
I'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT SHAKER VILLAGE.
I THINK IT IS A COMPLETE EYESORE.
IS ONE OF THE WORSE, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO CALL IT A BUILDING IN THE CITY.
BECAUSE WE'VE WAITED, THE PRICE HAS ALMOST DOUBLED.
I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT THE PRICE HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO TO DELAY, WILL MAKE THE CURRENT PRICE INCREASE SOME MORE ON COST THE CITY MORE MONEY.
I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD MOVE FORWARD SPEEDILY OF COURSE, WITH DUE DILIGENCE.
>> COMMISSIONER WRIGHT YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC?
>> WHY DIDN'T WE PURCHASED IT BEFORE? WHAT WAS THE ISSUE LAST TIME?
>> IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE COMPLICATIONS WITH THE OWNERSHIP AND THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND THE ABILITY TO SELL THE PROPERTY, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME ACTUALLY.
>> WILL THIS IMPROVE THE VALUE OF THE HOMES IN SHAKER VILLAGE?
>> ONE WOULD SAY YES, BECAUSE AS YOU IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY WITH A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY CENTER AND PROGRAM IT, SO YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO ADD VALUE TO THAT COMMUNITY.
>> WE'RE PAYING A MILLION DOLLARS MORE IN THIS BUDGET.
>> WE'RE EXPECTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING MORE AS THE ASSESSMENTS FROM THE ORIGINAL FIRMS CAME IN, ALMOST DOUBLED THE ORIGINAL ASSESSMENTS.
>> WE'RE GETTING 3.5 EXTRA FROM THE BUDGET AND WE'RE SPENDING A MILLION BUCKS ON THAT ACQUISITION.
IS THAT HOW IT WORKS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION?
>> WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.
AS WE GO THROUGH THE STAFF PORTION OF THE PROCESS, WE'LL FIND OUT HOW MUCH MORE WE NEED TO PAY FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY.
THEN THAT'S ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND 900 - $1.2 MILLION.
JUST FOR EDUCATION PURPOSES, BEFORE ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY PURCHASE OVER HALF MILLION DOLLARS, YOU HAVE TO PROCURE AT LEAST TWO APPRAISALS.
IT WAS INITIALLY TO APPRAISERS THAT WERE CONDUCTED FOR CURRENT YEARS AGO, AND I BELIEVE THE MANAGER AND MS. CALLOWAY, WE UPDATE THOSE APPRAISALS, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ANY STEP TO MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S OVER HALF MY MILLION DOLLARS, THE CITY HAS TO OBTAIN TWO APPRAISALS.
NO, IT WILL NOT IMPROVE THE PROPERTY VALUE.
ON THE APPRAISALS, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS, THERE'S A CITY FACILITY RIGHT NEXT TO YOU AND YOU GET 20 GRAND MORE EXTRA.
UNLESS YOU HAVE A LAKEFRONT, YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE ANYTHING.
>> THANK YOU FOR OPENING THE DOOR ABOUT THE APPRAISALS.
I'M GOING TO ASK WHOEVER WANTS TO JUMP IN ON THE ANSWER.
OUR ORDINANCE SAYS WHAT WHEN THE CITY IS BUYING PROPERTY? WE NEED ASSIST YOU GET AN APPRAISAL, THE SELLER TO GET AN APPRAISAL.
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THEN IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICTS WITHIN THE APPRAISALS, WE GET THE TWO APPRAISERS TO GIVE THE THIRD APPRAISAL IS THAT CORRECT?>> IT SAYS THE CITY HAS TO OBTAIN THE APPRAISAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID, SO THE CITY COMMISSION TWO APPRAISALS AND HAD THEM UPDATED.
>> WE GET TWO SEPARATE APPRAISALS FROM TWO SEPARATE APPRAISERS?
>> WE'VE HAD THE APPRAISAL FROM THE PAST OR IS THIS NEW APPRAISAL TWO SEPARATE APPRAISERS GIVING US TWO SEPARATE VALUES?
>> TWO SEPARATE APPRAISALS THAT WERE DONE IN 2021 THAT WAS RECENTLY UPDATED TO REFLECT THE NEW VALUE?
>> BOTH APPRAISALS WERE GIVEN TO UPDATE THEIR APPRAISALS.
>> FOR THE NEW VALUES. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE CURRENT UPDATED.
THESE APPRAISERS TOOK INTO THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY I PRESUME?
>> THEY DID. THEY REALLY UPDATED THEIR APPRAISAL, SO THE INITIAL ONE WAS DONE IN 2021 AND THEY RECENTLY UPDATED.
>> THAT'S FINE. WE'LL LOOK INTO MORE DETAIL WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS FURTHER.
THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE CITY IS LOOKING TO USE PUBLIC FUNDS TO ASSIST THE COMMUNITY TO ALSO ASSIST THE CITY OF TAMARAC WITH POTENTIAL NEW COMMUNITY CENTER.
I'M NOT AGAINST THAT, BUT I'M VERY MUCH WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DONE IN A PROPER MANNER, BECAUSE ALL EYES WILL BE ON THE CITY ON SPENDING THESE FUNDS IN THIS COMMUNITY AS WE ARE POTENTIALLY GOING TO DO THIS.
I ASK THAT YOU BEAR WITH ME BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
CITY ATTORNEY, HAVE YOU READ THE DECLARATION OF CONDOMINIUM FOR THIS COMMUNITY?
>> I HAVE NOT READ THE DETAILS, BUT I HAVE OBVIOUSLY ORDERED THE NECESSARY TITLE REPORT INITIALLY JUST THE INITIAL REPORT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE TITLE, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.
>> ALSO LAYING THE FOUNDATION.
AS PEOPLE MAY KNOW, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING FOR THE PAST 23 YEARS.
AND I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, MY COMMENTS ARE SAYING THAT I WANT TO DO THIS WORK.
I'M DOING SOME OF THIS ON MY OWN BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS.
WHEN YOU REVIEW THE DECLARATION OF CONDOMINIUM, IT STATES QUITE CLEARLY THAT THE COMMON ELEMENTS INCLUDE THE RECREATION AREA, WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY IS AN OWNER OF THAT RECREATION AREA, WHICH MEANS WHILE THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURE OF 75 PERCENT OF THE ASSOCIATION BOARD CAN ASK FOR CERTAIN THINGS, EVERY SINGLE UNIT OWNER MUST DEED OVER TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC IF THERE'S A CONTRACT, AND YOU CANNOT FORCE A PERSON TO DO SO.
I HAD MY UNDERWRITER TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND THEY COULDN'T GO PAST A CERTAIN POINT BECAUSE PAST READING THE DECLARATION AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S 358 HOMES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A TITLE SEARCH ON EVERY SINGLE UNIT.
THE COST OF THAT RIGHT NOW IS $125 FOR THE FIRST, $50 THEREAFTER FOR EACH OF THE 357 THAT REMAIN.
EVEN IF WE DID A BULK AGREEMENT, ROUND IT OUT TO $13,000-$15,000 ON JUST THE SEARCHES.
HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE GOING TO BE PAYING YOUR FEES TO THEN REVIEW ALL THE TITLE.
>> MAYOR, IN FACT, IF YOU WANT YOUR UNDERWRITER TO CALL ME, FEEL FREE.
AT THIS POINT, THE INITIAL REPORT ALSO, I WOULD SAY [INAUDIBLE] YOU SEE FROM THAT ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY TO INDICATE THAT ASSOCIATION AS 99 PERCENT OWNER OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER PROPERTY, AND TITLE REPORT ALSO REFLECT THAT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR TITTLE PERSON CALL ME, AND WE STILL HAVE DUE DILIGENCE TO CONDUCT.
AGAIN, I HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH CONDO PROPERTY BEFORE.
ASSOCIATION ATTORNEYS WILL CONDUCT THE NECESSARY DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU WILL SEE ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
YOU HAVE OPTION TO LOOK AT IT, REVIEW IT, BUT SPREAD TO, IF THERE WAS, I CALL IT TITLE IN COMMERCE IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE ABILITY OF THE ASSOCIATIONS TO SELL THE PROPERTY OUTRIGHT IF NO ONE VOTES.
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THAT WILL COME UP IN THE TITLE REPORT.>> ACTUALLY, IT'S GOING TO COME UP IN THE TITLE REPORT, BUT THE TITLE REPORT, IN ORDER TO GET A CLEAR TITLE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, YOU HAVE TO SPEND AT LEAST $15,000 COSTS.
>> THAT HAS NOT BEEN INDICATED TO ME.
RIGHT NOW, JUST FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, THERE IS ONLY ONE ISSUE OF CONDITION TITLE REPORT HAS ANYTHING TO ME AND THE SELLER HAS MENTIONED ONE DEED THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONVERTED TO ASSOCIATION.
>> THERE'S NO DEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN RUN THAT GIVE THE ASSOCIATION THE PROPERTY.
YOUR DECLARATION GIVES EVERY SINGLE UNIT OWNER WITH EVERY SINGLE DEED, IS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S SOMEBODY ON THE DAY WHO'S NOW AN OWNER OF A PROPERTY THERE THROUGH A BUSINESS, AND HE HAS 1/350 INTERESTS IN IT.
THAT'S FINE, HE'S ALLOWED TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE JUST LIKE SOME OF US ARE A PROPERTY OWNER IN WOODLANDS, YOU'RE STILL ALLOWED TO DISCUSS IT.
IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. THERE'S NO VOTING ISSUE.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT TRANSFER GOES THROUGH THAT.
TRADITIONALLY IN THE PROCESS, WHEN WE WERE NEGOTIATING FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, DID WE GIVE A CONTRACT TO THEM WITH A PURCHASE PRICE BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION ACTUALLY TOLD WHAT PURCHASE PRICE WE WERE GOING TO DO?
>> YES. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PROBABLY FOUR PURCHASES HERE.
JOHNNY, CITY MANAGER, AND HIS STAFF SOMETIMES OFFERS BAY TO A SELLER.
BUT THAT OFFER IS CONDITIONED ON COMMISSION APPROVAL.
SELLER IS WELL AWARE IF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT APPROVE IT, THERE'S NO DEAL.
SO THAT'S BEEN COLOSSAL PRACTICE HERE AND MOST CITIES.
YOU DON'T WANT FROM A NEGOTIATION STANDPOINT BECAUSE I KNOW VERY WELL IF I'M A SELLER IN THE CITY, PUBLICLY SAY I WANT MY PROPERTY, MY PRICE IS GOING UP.
SO NEGOTIATION HAS TO BE SOMEWHAT BEHIND THE SCENES SO THE SELLER DOESN'T HAVE A LEVERAGE ON YOU IF HE'S DONE PUBLICLY.
>> LIKE GIVING A CONTRACT TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC TO SHAKER VILLAGE WITH A PRICE OF $1.94 MILLION ISN'T PUBLIC?
>> OBVIOUSLY IT'S PUBLIC RECORD, BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S NOT DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC FORUM.
SO THE SELLER HAS KNOWN THEN HEY, THIS OFFER, AGAIN, IT'S CONDITIONED ON COMMISSION APPROVAL.
MANAGER, MYSELF OR ANYBODY ON THE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY IT'S A DONE DEAL UNLESS THE COMMISSIONER APPROVES IT.
>> I'M GOING TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT WHILE HE SAYS COMMISSIONER APPROVAL DOESN'T CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR THIS COMMISSION, BECAUSE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WE'RE DEALING WITH 358 OWNERS.
WE'RE DEALING WITH A PARCEL WITHIN OUR CITY THAT IS OWNED BY MANY PEOPLE AND IT IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
THERE'S NOT AS MUCH UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW AND WHAT ARE PROCESSES IN THE PUBLIC.
AND SO IF A CONTRACT COMES TO THEM AND THEY SAY THAT IT SAYS THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY US ON $1,940,000, AND IT'S CONDITION OF THE COMMISSION AGREEING, OF COURSE, THE COMMISSION HAS TO AGREE ON THAT ONE.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE SAY TO US IT'S A DONE DEAL BECAUSE WE'RE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE NO CHOICE.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING IS, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO HAD THE AUTHORITY TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND PUT IT OUT WITHOUT IT COMING TO US FOR ACTUALLY FURTHER DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE'VE DISCUSSED PURCHASING IT.
BUT PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION OF THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, SELLER AND BUYER SHALL ENTER INTO A SHARE USE AGREEMENT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS OF SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM PHASE 1, CONDOMINIUM, I HEAR THE HUFFING, WITH SPECIFIC DATES AND TIMES THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE CONDOMINIUM MAY USE CERTAIN AMENITIES UPON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW COMMUNITY CENTER BY BUYER.
PARTIES ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER SHALL BE PUBLIC FACILITY AND PUBLIC USE SHALL BE PERMITTED EXCEPT IF SUCH USE IS LIMITED BY THE EVENTS APPROVED BY THE BUYER.
THIS PROVISION SHALL SURVIVE CLOSING AND DELIVERY OF D. IF WE'RE NOT GETTING A DISCOUNT FOR PUBLIC FUNDS TO BE PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY AND BUILDING THIS PROPERTY, WHY DOES THIS COMMUNITY GET SPECIAL ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PUBLIC FACILITY? AREN'T WE USING PUBLIC FUNDS IN AN IMPROPER WAY? WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE SPECIAL ACCESS THAT NO OTHER PLACE HAS ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE? THE FACT OF MATTER IS YOU'RE GETTING FULL PURCHASE PRICE, THEN THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE NO FURTHER SPECIAL TREATMENTS THAN ANY OTHER PUBLIC ENTITY AND ANY PUBLIC RESIDENT USING THAT FACILITY.
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I THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY BAD TERM THAT HAS JUST BEEN GIVEN OVER TO THE COMMUNITY BOARD.IF THEY DESIGN THIS ALREADY, IT PUTS THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY IN A LOT OF TROUBLE, IN A LOT OF DIFFICULTIES THAT HAVE WE HAD THIS WORKSHOP FIRST BEFORE OUR CONTRACT GOES ACROSS THE TABLE WHERE WE CAN KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CONTRACT, THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO THINGS.
THIS ISN'T JUST A PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER ON 441 OR OVER BY THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT WHERE WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH ONE SELLER, WE'RE DEALING WITH 358 SELLERS.
WE'RE DEALING WITH RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AND WE'RE ALSO POTENTIALLY PROVISIONING HERE THAT'S NOT LEGAL.
>> MAYOR, THAT PROVISION IS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT FROM DAY 1 THAT THE CONVERSATION MEANS SHAKER VILLAGE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE SOME, I WOULD SAY, USE OF THE FACILITY, ESPECIALLY AT A TIME IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THE PUBLIC USE.
>> EVERYBODY HAS A USE OF THE FACILITY WITH THIS PUBLIC USE.
DID YOU FIND OUT IF THIS POLICY FOR THIS CARVED OUT USE, WAS APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION ABOUT THE CONSENSUS?
>> MAYOR, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE POLICYMAKER.
IF YOU DON'T WANT THE DEAL, YOU DON'T WANT THOSE SHARED USE AGREEMENT, YOU CAN REJECT IT.
STAFF SAYS BRING THE PLATE TO YOU GUYS AND YOU GUYS MAKE THE CALL.
>> BUT THIS IS A POLICY DECISION THAT'S BEEN PUT IN A CONTRACT THAT IS DATED AND GIVEN TO THE SHAKER VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION ALREADY FOR ACCEPTANCE GRANTED AFTER 26 BY THAT TIME.
>> THE SHAKER VILLAGE DOESN'T APPROVE, THE BOARD DOESN'T APPROVE THIS CONTRACT, IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO EVEN COME BEFORE YOU.
THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT, THEY HAVE TO VOTE ON IT, AND THEN YOU BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSIONER HAS TO EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE.
>> YOU'VE PUT IN A POLICY HERE THAT THE COMMISSION HASN'T EVEN DISCUSSED PUBLICLY FOR CONSENSUS YET, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US IF THEY SIGN IT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY IF WE AGREE TO IT OR NOT, AND DURING DUE DILIGENCE, WE'LL FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN AGREE TO IT.
THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN A CONTRACT THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
IF IT'S BEEN DISCUSSING ON COMMISSIONER, THAT'S FINE.
I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF SPEAKING.
>> THIS WAS NOT HANDLED PROPERLY.
THIS WAS HANDLED IN A MANNER WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PRESENT IT TO ANOTHER AN OUTSIDE.
>> IT WAS BASICALLY CONSISTENT.
IN FACT, IF YOU'D LOOK AT ALL THE CONTRACTS, WE HAVE CONDITIONS AND THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE SELLER AND BUYER AND EVERYTHING IS SUBJECT TO THE COMMISSION APPROVAL.
>> CITY ATTORNEY. I'VE SEEN THE CONTRACTS IN THE CITY AND THEY ARE NOT SET ON PUBLIC POLICY THAT THE CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSES TO SEE IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN THERE, NOT JUST ONE PERSON ON THE COMMISSION OR MAYBE TWO, BUT THE CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSING IT OPENLY AND GETTING FULL LEGAL BACKGROUND ON IT.
SET ASIDE. WE'D BEATEN THIS ONE A BIT.
THE OTHER PART OF THE MATTER IS THAT SHAREHOLDER AGREEMENT FOR DISCUSSION COMES IN AFTER IT'S ALL EXECUTED AND THERE IS DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONTRACT WHERE WE SAY THAT WE'RE IN IT, WE'RE GIVING YOU $50,000 THREE DAYS AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> WE'RE GOING TO AS DEPOSIT, REFUND OR DO WE NOT GIVING UP.
>> PLEASE, I KNOW ALL ABOUT DEPOSITS.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DEPOSITS RIGHT NOW.
I'M MOVING IT ALONG. I'M GIVING DETAIL OF THE CONTRACT.
WITHIN HERE FOR THEN ANOTHER 50,000 AFTER THE DUE DILIGENCE.
I'M QUITE AWARE OF WHAT'S THE REFUNDABLE OR NOT.
WE HAVE A MIAMI ATTORNEY BEING THE TITLE AGENT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH BEFORE FOR BROWARD COUNTY PROPERTY, MOST CONTRACTS SAY IT IS TITLE COMPANY WITHIN THIS COUNTY IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, EVEN WITH A MAIL AWAY.
I THINK SOMETHING THIS BIG REALLY NEEDS TO BE HANDLED BY ONE OF OUR MANY QUALIFIED BROWARD COUNTY TITLE ATTORNEYS BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE PAPERWORK GOING BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH AND IT'S NOT NEEDED.
>> THIS THE SAME ATTORNEY THAT MY FIRM ALSO FROM DAY ONE WITH ALL THE ACQUISITION HERE, THERE'S NO DIFFERENT PERSON THAT WE HAVE.
>> THEN I ALSO WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MS. JENNIFER LEVINS FIRM INTENDS ON RECEIVING AND WHAT THE CONTRACT IS RECEIVING BECAUSE ON A ALMOST $2 MILLION PURCHASE PRICE, THE TYPICAL TITLE AGENT FEES IS USUALLY ONE-HALF OF ONE PERCENT OF THE PURCHASE PRICE.
THAT'S A NICE CHUNK OF CHANGE.
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IF THIS GOES THROUGH, THEN ALSO THE QUESTION IS, WHEN SHE HAS TO REVIEW 358 TITLES AND ALL THE SUBTITLES, WILL WE BE CHARGED PER FILE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE CHARGED? BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO AND NOT GO FORWARD WITH THIS.BUT THIS ATTORNEY IS GOING TO DO HER WORK DURING DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD IF THIS IS SIGNED BY ALL PARTIES AND WE STILL HAVE TO PAY THAT MONEY OUT.
>> I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT REVIEWING 350 WHATEVER AMOUNT OF FILES RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S AN ISSUE IN MY OPINION BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS THE ISSUE ON THE BOARD.
WE WILL NOT DO ANYTHING UNTIL THIS BOARD FOR SHAKER VILLAGE VOTE.
EVERYTHING IS PREMATURE RIGHT NOW.
IF THEY DON'T PROVE IT, THERE'S NO DEAL IF THESE COMMISSIONERS DON'T APPROVE IT.
THERE'S NO WORK BEING DONE. NO
>> OKAY. DISREGARDING WHAT I'M ASKING, THAT'S FINE.
THEN WE'D ALSO NEED TO KNOW YOUR FEES ON HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO BE CHARGED FOR THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT INTO THIS PROCESS THAT MAY WIND UP NOT GOING THROUGH BECAUSE WE CANNOT GET CLEAR TITLE BECAUSE IT'S THE OBLIGATION TO RECEIVE CLEAR TITLE BEFORE THE CITY OF TAMARAC TAKES BACK THIS PARCEL.
NOW, AGAIN, AS I SAID IN THE VERY BEGINNING, I'M NOT AGAINST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.
I WANT A CLEAR PLAN OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST, AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T GET 358 PEOPLE SIGNING? OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 350 PEOPLE SIGNING, HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO GET OUT OF THAT PURCHASE PRICE, WHICH IS THEN NOT IN OUR PURVIEW.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THE SELLER BEFORE THIS EVEN COMES ANY FURTHER FOR THE CITY TO BE DISCUSSED.
>> I AGREE 100 PERCENT OF SELLER NEED TO.
>> BUT WE PROVIDED THEM WITH A CONTRACT THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
>> IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE SILICON, THE BOARD APPROVAL.
>> ANNOUNCEMENT, IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE CITY COMMISSION GIVING APPROVAL.
IT'S NOT CONTINGENT ON THE SELLER'S GIVEN.
>> IT'S A NUMERIC IT'S CONTINGENT ON ASSOCIATION APPROVAL.
>> ALSO KEEPING IN MIND, JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOUR CONTRACT IS MISSING SOME LEGAL DESCRIPTION.
BECAUSE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY ID ON THE CONTRACT, IT'S ONLY GOT THE FIRST PART.
IT'S MISSING A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF THAT DEALS WITH THE WHOLE PARCEL OF THE RECREATION BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE NOT JUST BUYING THE CLUBHOUSE WHICH IS DILAPIDATED.
WHICH ON ANOTHER THING IS I STILL HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHY THAT CLUBHOUSE IS BEING ALLOWED TO PAY $700 OR SO A MONTH TO KEEP THE RAILS UP, TO KEEP THOSE WALLS UP.
SO WE'RE NOT MAKING IT A DILAPIDATED BUILDING THAT WE CAN KNOCK DOWN.
WE CAN HAVE I'M GOING TO SAVE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THE WALLS ARE BEING HELD UP BY POLES.
IF THE POLLS AREN'T BEING PAID FOR AND THEY COME DOWN, THEN IT'S AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE AND THEN AT LEAST THOSE WALLS AND THEN WHOLE AREA CAN COME DOWN AND ALL YOU SEE IS GRASSLAND VERSUS THIS EYESORE THAT IS ALSO BEING FULL OF GRAFFITI.
A LOT OF DEBRIS AND JUNK THINGS THROWN IT IN AND USE AS A GARBAGE PIT.
BUT YET THERE'S PAYING $700 BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING TOLD THAT THEY HAVE TO IN ORDER TO KEEP THESE WALLS UP.
I THINK THAT'S A WASTE OF MONEY FOR THAT ASSOCIATION WHEN THEY COULD BE UTILIZING THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR YEARS, THEY'VE HAD IT UP.
THE ADDITIONAL TERMS JUST SO YOU KNOW, CONTRACT IS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE BUYERS COMMISSION DOES NOT SAY SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE SELLER'S BOARD AT ALL.
>> I DON T KNOW WHICH VERSION YOU HAVE MAYOR, BUT.
>> I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE MOST RECENT HAS BOUGHT AND CITY COMMISSION.
>> OKAY. WELL, THIS WAS RECENTLY GIVEN TO ME AS THE ONE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SIGNED BY THE 26 IF IT'S GOING TO BE SIGNED AT ALL.
I THINK THAT IT PUTS THIS CONTRACT WITH THE PUBLIC POLICY ITEMS BEING PUT IN IT, WITHOUT HAVING A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE AND THE WORK THAT WILL BE DONE AT THIS CONTRACT IS SIGNED BECAUSE THE CITY WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR THE TITLE CLEARING TO MAKE SURE THAT IN HIS DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, IT CAN OR CANNOT GO FORWARD.
>> COMMIT SOME FOR THE COMMISSION.
WE'RE HERE UNTIL NEXT WORKSHOP.
THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES WITH THE CONTRACT THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, AND THEN IT PUTS THE CITY COMMISSION IN A VERY BAD SITUATION WHEN IT HAS TO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO A COMMUNITY SOME OF THE ISSUES, WHEN SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE EXCITED TO SELL IT AND WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUY IT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT WERE PUT IN HERE.
COMMISSIONER DANIEL, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ON THIS SUBJECT?
>> NO AND LET ME FINISH ME I HAVE THE FLOOR.
>> ACTUALLY. WE'RE FINISHING OFF THE SUBJECT FOR NOW.
>> AS FAR AS FINDING THOSE, HAS SHAKER VILLAGE HAD BEEN FINED FOR HAVING SUCH A BUILDING AS TERRIBLE AS THEY HAVE? CAN ANYONE ANSWER THAT QUESTION?
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>> FOR THE RECORD, GEORGE FILES, BUILDING OFFICIAL.
WE BROUGHT IT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AT ONE TIME.
THEN THEY BROUGHT IN A LETTER SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO KEEP THE WALLS UP AND ESPECIALLY MAGISTRATE APPROVED IT, ACCORDING TO THE CLUBHOUSE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE AREN'T ANY LIENS ON THE CLUBHOUSE.
LET'S JUST CLARIFY THE AIR HERE WITH THIS CLUBHOUSE, THERE ISN'T NO CLUBHOUSE.
THEIR JUST WALLS AND REMAINS OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
BASICALLY WE'RE PAYING $2 MILLION FOR A PIECE OF LAND.
>> I HEARD CITY ATTORNEYS SAY THAT THE ASSOCIATION OWNS 99 PERCENT OF THE DEEDS OR WHO CAN CLARIFY THAT? I WASN'T SURE.
>> HE SAW INFORMATION FROM ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY AND ALSO SURGE BASICALLY, THAT COMMUNITY CENTER OWN THE PROPERTY, AS YOU INDICATE IT, IS OWNED BY THE HOA.
IT'S NOT A COMMON ELEMENT OF THE WINNING THE DECLARATION CLASS THAT WAS CONVEYED IN WRITING TO ME.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THE TITLE REPORT REFLECT INITIAL TITLE.
>> I'M NOT DONE WITH THIS ONE.
>> WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THIS [INAUDIBLE]
>> I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A HOA BOARD OWNS 99 PERCENT OF A PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM.
IT BELONGS TO OTHER RESIDENTS.
SEE, I HAVE AN ISSUE IF I'M A HOMEOWNER AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS, BEEN PAYING A JOINT MAINTENANCE FEES, SOME OF THAT FEE GOES TOWARDS THE CLUBHOUSE OR THE LAND.
FOR NOW I WANT TO SELL, AM I GOING TO RECEIVE THE $5,586 AS A BENEFICIARY? IT'S A QUESTION. WHO IS TO JUSTIFIED THE BOARD MEMBER.
HOW MANY BOARD MEMBERS DO YOU NOW?
>> HOW MANY ARE SEATED? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
>> LET'S JUST SAY THEY HAVE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS.
ARE THEY THE BENEFICIARY? IS THE ATTORNEY THE BENEFICIARY? WHERE'S THAT MONEY GOING TO BE DEPOSITED TO? I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT ANSWER YET AND IT'S A LITTLE AGGRAVATING, NOT KNOWING WHERE OUR $2 MILLION IS GOING TO, IS IT GOING TO THE HOMEOWNERS? THAT AS OF X AMOUNT DATE, IS IT PRORATED? IS IT NOT PRORATED? WHO'S THE ACTUAL BENEFICIARY OF THESE $2 MILLION THAT YOU GUYS WANT US TO SIGN OFF ON.
>> OUR TRANSACTIONS IS WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
>> LET ME REPHRASE THIS QUESTION.
>> THE HOA IS A DECISION-MAKING BODY.
>> THE HOA HAS A BANK ACCOUNT.
THERE ARE GENERAL LEDGERS AND WHOEVER, THE SAME THING WE HAVE HERE ON A VERY SMALLER SCHEDULE SIZE.
THOSE $2 MILLION WILL BE DEPOSITED INTO THE ASSOCIATIONS BANK ACCOUNT.
THAT MONEY IS OUR MONEY THAT WE GAVE TO THEM.
WHO IS TO SAY THAT THAT MONEY WILL NOT BE LAUNDRIED OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT ENTITY, AND IT DOES NOT GO TO THE HOMEOWNER THAT HAS BEEN PAYING ALL THOSE YEARS FOR THAT PROPERTY IS MY POINT.
>> COUNCILOR, WE OBVIOUSLY LIKE ANY REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SAY.
>> OBVIOUSLY, MY ANSWER WOULD BE ASSOCIATION.
>> WE DON'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO.
>> NO. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THEY CAN TAKE THAT MONEY AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT FOR THEIR COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
>> THEY CAN TAKE THAT MONEY OBVIOUSLY.
>> REDUCE THE BUDGET FOR ASSESSMENT.
>> IT IS BECAUSE ONE, IT'S OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THEIR.
TRUE THEY'RE BENEFITING FROM US BUYING THAT PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE BENEFICIARY, SO UNLESS WE'RE CUTTING A CHECK INTO ESCROW FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER FROM THE TIME WE WENT INTO CONTRACT TO THE END OF THE CONTRACT,
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AND IT'S NOT PRO-RATED BASED ON WHO'S SOLD WHEN.THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE, BECAUSE THE ACTUAL BENEFICIARY DOES NOT EXIST, THE ACTUAL BENEFICIARIES IS THE ASSOCIATION, WHICH JUSTIFICATION HAS NO CONTROL OVER THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER. THERE'S NO LEGAL MEANS FOR US TO READ.
>> IT'S NOT A PROVEN THIS BECAUSE THE ACTUAL BENEFICIARY IS THE HOMEOWNER.
THE HOMEOWNER DESERVES THOSE SIX GRANT.
IF WE ARE TO APPROVE THIS, THAT EACH HOMEOWNER THAT LIVES THERE NOW THAT'S BEEN PAYING EVERY MONTH SHOULD BE THE BENEFICIARY, NOT THE ASSOCIATION, NOT THE ATTORNEY, NOT ANYONE ELSE.
THAT'S MY POINT. PAGE 43 WHEN IT COMES TO PARK AND RECREATION.
JUST ON THAT OR IT COULD BE THAT INSTEAD OF RAISING MAINTENANCE FOR THIS ASSOCIATION, FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THAT MONEY NEEDS TO GO TO THE FUNDING THEM TO HELP THEM WITH ROOFS, TO HELPING WITH CLEANUP, WITH OTHER THINGS THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD INSTEAD OF A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WOULD BE THE WAY I WOULD.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO DO IT IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO HEALTH, HAVE THEM EARMARK THEIR FUNDS MAY NOT BE ALLOWED TO, MAYBE OUTSIDE OUR SCOPE.
I'M JUST MAKING THAT AS A COMMENT.
I JUST ALSO WANTED ON THE RECORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PRIOR ATTORNEY FOR THIS ASSOCIATION AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE FIRM THAT CREATED SHAKER VILLAGE, WHICH IS ALSO WHERE I GUESS SOME OF MY INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET THIS DONE, NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO GET IT DONE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT, IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE, IT'S GOING TO BE TIME-CONSUMING, AND THERE'S NO PLAN IN PLACE TO FIGURE OUT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT'S BEING PUSHED.
I'LL JUST SAY, WELL, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AFTER WE SIGN, THEN WE'RE ON THE HOOK, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.
>> PAGE 43, WHEN IT COMES TO PARKS AND RECREATION, TEMPORARY PRIVILEGE AMPHITHEATER IMPROVEMENTS, THE $639,414 PER PULSE FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR THIS WHEN WE CAME UP WITH A CONTRACT FOR TAMARAC VILLAGE AND NOW WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH MONEY VERSUS TAMARAC VILLAGE OR JKM ACTUALLY PAYING FOR IT.
>> CLEARLY NOT. THEIR OBLIGATIONS STOPPED AT THE DELIVERY OF THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE IMPROVEMENTS, AND SO FOR IT TO BE OPERATIONAL AS AN AMPHITHEATER, WE NEED ALL THIS EQUIPMENT TO PROPERLY USE.
>> YOU SAID THAT THEIR CONTRACT ENDED WHEN THEY FINISHED IT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED IT.
>> THEIR CONTRACT WILL FINISH WHEN THEY COMPLETE THE IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED PROVING IT.
>> WHY CAN WE ADD THIS TO THEIR CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT YET APPROVED IT.
>> IT WOULD BE MORE ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE PERCENTAGE AS WELL.
BUT REGARDLESS, THIS IS OUR OBLIGATION TO ADD THIS HARDWARE.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, PAGE 44 FOR THE TAMARAC PARK FIELD LIGHTING.
THAT IS FOR PARK ON UNIVERSITY DRIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOSPITAL.
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE ASKING WHAT IT IS FOR.
FOR CITY TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE HISTORY PAGE 47, JEFF, YOU MENTIONED THE WORD CONSERVATIVE FOR YEAR '24, '25 AND '26.
WHAT IS YOUR DEPARTMENT OR YOUR STUFF EXPECTING IN '24, '25 AND '26 THAT YOU'RE USING A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER VERSUS PRIOR YEARS AND THIS YEAR?
>> WELL, WE'RE USING CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS JUST FOR '25 AND '26.
WE'RE USING THE ACTUAL INCREASE THAT WE EXPERIENCED FOR '24 NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, WE'RE USING CONSERVATIVE FORECAST BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT I LAID OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION.
THERE'S INFLATION, WE'RE IN POST PANDEMIC ERA.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE ECONOMY THAT NOBODY KNOWS RIGHT NOW COULD ALL OF A SUDDEN POP UP.
THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT CAN POP UP IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET.
THERE COULD BE A CHANGE IN THE VALUES OF A REAL ESTATE.
THAT'S REALLY WHY WE USE A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER FOR '24 AND '25 PLUS BECAUSE MOST OF YOUR PROPERTIES ARE SUBJECT TO SAVE OUR HOMES, WHICH IS THREE PERCENT.
I JUST ADDED A LITTLE BIT TO THAT THREE PERCENT JUST IN CASE THERE WAS
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A REAL BACKLASH IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA OF VALUES.>> YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH ALMOST GUARANTEED THAT THREE PERCENT BECAUSE 60 PERCENT OF YOUR TAX BASIS UNDER THAT LIMITATION.
THAT'S WHY I USE THE PROJECTION.
>> YOU MENTIONED SHIFTING MONEY ON PAGE 51 FROM IMPROVES SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IMPROVED COMMERCIAL AND IMPROVED INDUSTRIAL HAVE A CAP OF 10 PERCENT.
HOW DO WE ACHIEVE THAT? HOW DO WE SHIFT FROM COLLECTING SO MUCH FROM IMPROVED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AT 51 PERCENT AND SHIFTING THAT DOWN TO THE IMPROVED COMMERCIAL, PAGE 51, IMPROVED INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE THEY ARE CAPPED AT 10 PERCENT? IS THAT PART OF INCREASING BUSINESSES COMING TO TAMARAC, IS THAT LAURIE'S DEPARTMENT?
>> THAT WOULD BE LAURIE. SHE'S ALREADY GOT A LOT OF PROGRAMS IN PLACE TO REHABILITATE THE STRIP CENTERS, RENOVATE THOSE.
THAT'S A START. WHAT I MENTIONED WAS IS THAT NOT SHIFTING MONEY, THEIR TAX BURDEN.
>> IS SHIFTING MORE GRADUALLY TOWARDS SINGLE-FAMILY.
THE WAY TO CHANGE THAT IS TO GET MORE ACADEMIC DEVELOPMENT, ACCOMPLISH MORE COMMERCIAL, MORE VALUE IN YOUR COMMERCIAL CENTERS REDEVELOPED.
BESIDES IMPROVED AND SHE'S GOT A PROGRAM IN PLACE THAT PROVIDES GRANTS TO DO THAT.
THE RESULT OF THAT HADN'T BEEN SEEN YET.
THOSE PROJECTS ARE STILL NEW AND THEY'RE JUST GETTING UNDERWAY.
>> MS. MAXINE, HOW MANY APPLICANTS HAVE SO FAR APPLY FOR THE GRANTS THAT WERE GIVEN AWAY? IS IT STILL TWO?
>> THE CITY COMMISSION HAS APPROVED TWO.
WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE PENDING FOR YOUR JULY AGENDA.
>> WHAT'S YOUR TOTAL? DO YOU KNOW THE TOTAL FOR THAT?
>> NO, I'M NOT SURE. WE DO HAVE TWO THAT IS COMING.
>> WHO WOULD THAT BE? DO YOU KNOW?
>> I DO. I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
>> IF I CAN JUST ADD TO JEFF'S COMMENTS.
IT'S NOT JUST THE REHAB OF THE PLAZA, BUT IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL THAT'S GOING TO HELP TO OFFSET THAT NUMBER.
IT'S YOUR NEW INDUSTRIAL THAT'S COMING ONLINE, YOUR NEW COMMERCIAL, YOUR NEW MULTI-FAMILY THAT.
SENNY'S CAR WASH. BACK TO PAGE 51.
HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT DOES SENNY CAR WASH WILL MAKE?
>> IT'S GOING TO BE TREMENDOUS AND IT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT CAME ONLINE, I THINK IT'S THIS YEAR FOR BUTTERS CONSTRUCTION AND NEW 300,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE THAT CAME ONLINE.
I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE SIMILAR IN TAX VALUE TO THAT.
>> IS THAT A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR?
>> HOW MUCH WAS IT? WE ADDED 49.
>> COMMISSIONER, WRIGHT. YOU'RE READY?
>> GOING OFF FOR COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS QUESTION.
COMMERCIAL. I THINK YOU ANSWERED THAT AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT.
THOSE COMMERCIAL ALSO INCLUDE RENTALS?
>> THAT'S PART OF MULTIFAMILY.
>> IT'S PART OF THE MULTIFAMILY, SO RENTALS ARE IN THE MULTI-FAMILY.
WE NEED MORE BUSINESSES IN TERMS OF IMPROVING THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.
>> YES. YOU WOULD WANT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES, THE VALUE OF THE FACILITIES THAT BUSINESSES OCCUPY.
NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD DEFINITELY HELP BUILD NEW COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES LIKE THE AMAZON FACILITY THAT WENT IN A FEW YEARS AGO, ADDED $47 MILLION TO THE TAX BASE.
>> PERFECT. PAGE 57, GOING BACK TO THE RANKINGS OF THE CITY, AND I THINK AN ARTICLE CAME OUT IN THE SUNSET NOW A FEW DAYS AGO SAYING THAT TAMARAC IS THE SECOND MOST AFFORDABLE PLACE IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
I THINK THE WORD IS OUT THAT WE HAVE AFFORDABLE PROPERTIES.
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SINCE WE'RE NOT AT THE COUNTY'S AVERAGE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE THOSE VALUES? WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY? WHAT ARE WAYS THAT WILL IMPROVE THOSE VALUES?>> COMMISSIONER, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS THROUGH IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET A NUMBER OF PROPOSALS TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S ENTRY WAYS AND MEETINGS AND LANDSCAPING AND INCREASED ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WILL BRING IMPROVEMENT TO THE COMMUNITIES AND IMPROVE OUR VALUES.
THEN WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING SHORTLY.
THOSE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE VALUES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
>> THANKS. GOING BACK TO THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUES AND THE MILLAGE RATE, 2014 YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS POST GREAT RECESSION.
DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND, WHAT WERE THE VALUES BEFORE THE GREAT RECESSION OF 2008, 2007? DO YOU HAVE DATA ON WHAT THE TAXABLE VALUES WERE AT THAT TIME?
>> IT WAS ABOUT 4.4 BILLION IN 2,000.
RIGHT BEFORE THE GREAT RECESSION HIT, IT WAS ABOUT 4.4 BILLION.
IT FIRST GOT BACK TO THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 2021.
>> WE GOT BACK TO 27 NUMBERS IN 2021?
>> WE GOT BACK TO 2008 OR 2009 NUMBERS IN 2021.
>> THAT'S LIKE 12 YEARS LATER.
>> COVID HAS SOMEWHAT BEEN GOOD TO US BECAUSE THE INFLUX OF PEOPLE MOVING TO FLORIDA, THAT'S SOMEWHAT INCREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES. WOULD YOU SAY THAT?
>> THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF FLORIDA, PEOPLE COMING HERE AND BUYING? YES, IT IS, BECAUSE EVERY TIME A PROPERTY SELLS, IT COMES OFF SAVE OUR HOMES AND IT GOES BACK ON AT A HIGHER VALUE LATER ON.
IT'S ALSO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL THAT WE HAVE TAMARAC VILLAGE THAT'S ADDING VALUE, WOULD MATCH THOSE HOMES.
>> WHEN YOU SEE, GOD FORBID, WE HAVE COVID, WE HAVE A PROFIT HERE SO HE CAN PRINT IT AS WELL.
GOD FORBID, IF A HURRICANE OR SOMETHING COMES UP AND PEOPLE DECIDED TO GO THE OPPOSITE WAY, GO BACK TO NEW YORK OR SOMEPLACE ELSE, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED BUT THE GREAT RECESSION, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ECONOMIC ISSUE.
BUT CAN THAT DECREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND WOULD IT BE WHERE WE'D HAVE TO RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE WE HAVE LOWER TAXABLE VALUES?
>> IT CERTAINLY CAN AND IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW LOW IT BROUGHT YOUR TAXABLE VALUES DOWN, BECAUSE IN THE PAST, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
THE VALUE WENT SO LOW THAT THE MILLAGE RATE HAD TO BE INCREASED BACK AND PRIOR TO 2013, THERE WERE A FEW MILLAGE RATE INCREASES.
>> IF WE KEEP THE MILLAGE RATE AT WHERE IS AT, IT WILL COST TAXPAYERS 42 BUCKS FROM THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND A TAX BILL?
>> IT WOULD COST THE MEDIAN PROPERTY OWNER, THE MEDIAN SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY OWNERS.
>> GOING BACK TO SHAKER VILLAGE, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO GET A COPY OF THE CONTRACT?
>> WILL YOU PLEASE SEND BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SAYING I HAVE AN OUTDATED ONE THAT I JUST RECEIVED, THEN PLEASE SEND THE WHOLE COMMISSION A COPY OF THE CONTRACT.
NOW BE RESPECTFUL TO NOT TALK FOR ONE HOUR.
>> YOU JUST START WITH YOUR COMMENTARY NOT BEING [OVERLAPPING]
LET'S GO TO PAGE 18. THANK YOU.
>> THIS IS A $35,000 FOR THE ARBORIST, OR IS THIS $35,000 FOR THE CONSULTANT TO DECIDE IF WE WANT AN ARBORIST?
>> IT'S AN ARBORIST CONSULTANT.
IS IT THE ARBORIST OR IS IT A CONSULTANT TO GET AN ARBORIST?
>> ARBORIST PROVIDING SERVICES AS A CONTRACTOR,
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INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR TO THE CITY.>> ENGAGING A CONSULTANT FOR ARBORIST AND TREE PRESERVATION PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, SO THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR AND NOT AN EMPLOYEE?
THE CAMERA AND INTEGRITY AND MONITOR LICENSING.
TELL US WHERE SOME OF THESE CAMERAS ARE LOCATED?
>> THEY ARE LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IN OUR PARKS AND IN OUR FACILITIES, IN THE COMMON PUBLIC AREAS, AND THEY'RE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
>> IT SAYS CAMERAS FOR CITY HALL OFFICES NOT YET EQUIPPED.
WHERE ARE SOME OF THOSE CAMERAS IN CITY HALL?
>> WHEN WE HAD THE SECURITY MASTER PLAN, IT CALLED FOR A NUMBER OF CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WE FACE THAT PROGRAM, SO WE ONLY INSTALLED A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT EACH YEAR.
SO THIS IS THE SECOND AND THIRD PHASE OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LOCATIONS, BUT THEY'RE LISTED IN THAT MASTER PLAN.
THEY'RE CAPTURING MORE DETAILS OF THE CITY HALL PARKING LOT, ENTRANCES, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THEY'RE NOT LOCATED INSIDE THE OFFICERS, THEY'RE LOCATED IN MORE COMMON PUBLIC AREAS.
>> LET'S SAY I PARKED MY CAR OUTSIDE CITY HALL AND THEN SOMEBODY TAKES OFF THREE LOGS FROM MY CAR.
THERE ARE NO CAMERAS TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY CRIMINAL ELEMENTS MESSING WITH MY VEHICLE.
>> VICE MAYOR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IN THE PRIVACY OF SHADE SESSIONS IS TO TALK ABOUT THE SECURITY MATTERS.
AND THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS SO WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN ONE OF THOSE SHADES SESSIONS.
>> PAGE 24. HOW MUCH DID WE PAY FOR TAMARAC VILLAGE?
>> TAMARAC VILLAGE, WE PURCHASED PARCEL BY PARCEL BY PARCEL.
IF YOU'RE ASKING, WHAT'S OUR CURRENT CARRYING COST FROM THE BEGINNING OF THAT PROJECT, I DO HAVE A NUMBER FOR THAT, IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND $23 MILLION.
BUT THE OUTSTANDING DEBT FOR THAT PROPERTY IS $16 MILLION, THAT'S THE ONE WE SHOWED.
>>SO WE PURCHASED TAMARAC VILLAGE FOR $23 MILLION. WHEN WAS THAT?
>> NO. WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED IT FOR LIKE $16, $17, $18 MILLION, AND THEN OUR CARRYING COST, BECAUSE WE REFINANCED THE ORIGINAL LOAN A NUMBER OF TIMES AND THEN WE KEPT MAKING INTEREST ON THE PAYMENTS, SO IT JUST KEPT ADDING TO THE COST OF THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY.
>> SO WE PURCHASED TAMARAC VILLAGE FOR $16,17,18 MILLION, WHEN?
>> IT WAS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, FROM, I THINK 2007, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE FIRST PARCELS FROM THE JOYCE CENTER, AND I THINK THAT WHEN [OVERLAPPING]
>> FROM WHERE? THE JEWISH CENTER.
>> WAS THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY? SPEAK INTO THE MIC, PLEASE. I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
>> SO IT IS CUSTOM AND PRACTICE TO PURCHASE FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY? TO BUY PRIVATE PROPERTY?
>> AND $16 MILLION, TO PURCHASE TIME LIKE VILLAGE, YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A LOT?
>> IT WAS A NUMBER OF PARCELS PURCHASED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
>> AND THE JEWISH TEMPLE, THAT YOU SPOKE OF, THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> TEMPLE BETH TORAH, FOR THE RECORD.
I HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WILL YOU BE SO KIND? CHRISTINE?
>> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THE RECORD?
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>> CONTINUE WITH YOUR COMMENTS SIR.
>> COMMISSIONER, WHEN I'M SPEAKING, CAN YOU BE QUIET?
>> OUT OF RESPECT FOR ONE OF OUR BUSINESSES, AND A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION IN THE COMMUNITY, I AM GIVING YOU THE FULL NAME OF THE TEMPLE SO YOU CAN HAVE IT PROPERLY.
SO IT IS ALSO UNDERSTOOD BY WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR, BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL PARCELS THAT WERE PURCHASED FOR THAT MONEY YEARS AGO, THAT EQUAL TO TUNE THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
IT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR OUR STAFF TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE NAME OF THE JEWISH TEMPLE, AND YOUR COMMENTARY ON MY TIME. CHRISTINE?
>> WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FOR $16, $17, $18 MILLION, AND THE TEMPLE WAS ON THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME?
>> YES. AND IT WAS ONLY A PORTION, BECAUSE WE PURCHASED PROPERTY FROM DIFFERENT SELLERS THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER FOR THE TAMARAC VILLAGE PROJECT.
>> SO WE PURCHASED FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE?
>> THE TEMPLE WAS ON THE PROPERTY, AND TELL US HOW WE MOVED THE TEMPLE.
>> YES, FROM WHAT I RECALL, WE PURCHASED A PROPERTY FROM TEMPLE BETH TORAH, AND THEN WE HAD A CORRESPONDING PROPERTY THAT WE OWNED, THAT WE HAD AN ARRANGEMENT, WHERE WE PURCHASED THEIR PROPERTY AND THEN THEY HAD A CREDIT TOWARDS THAT PROPERTY, WHICH WE SOLD TO THEM, AND WHICH THEY BUILT ANOTHER STRUCTURE.
>> WE BASICALLY SWAPPED PROPERTIES.
>> YOU LITERALLY TOOK UP THE TEMPLE, AND RELOCATED IT SOMEWHERE ELSE?
>> BECAUSE YOU FELT THAT LAND ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD WAS VALUABLE?
>> WELL, I WAS NOT ONE OF THE DECISION-MAKERS, BUT THAT MAY BE [OVERLAPPING]
>> ANY DECISION-MAKERS REMEMBER? [OVERLAPPING]
YOU LITERALLY PICKED IT UP, PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BECAUSE YOU BELIEVED THAT LAND ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD WAS VALUABLE ENOUGH, AND IT WOULD SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE?
WILL YOU BE QUIET WHEN I'M SPEAKING? BOTH OF YOU.
>> CITY MANAGER, I'M INTERRUPTING FOR A POINT.
>> I HAVE NO POINT OF ORDER IN A WORKSHOP.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK THE QUESTION AS I DO WHEN [OVERLAPPING]
>> BOTH OF YOU CAN BUTT IN, AND WHEN I MAKE A COMMENT I CAN.
>> YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO CONTINUE YOUR CONVERSATION JUST IN A MOMENT.
>> GO AHEAD. I'LL TAKE MY TIME BACK WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
>> THERE'S NO CLOCK. THERE HAS BEEN NO CLOCK, AS YOU SAID, YOU DO NOT GOING TO BE HERE AN HOUR. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTAIN THINGS ARE DONE IN CERTAIN TIME FRAMES AS WE'RE COMING ACROSS THAT TIME FRAME.
IT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE WHILE YOU WERE SPEAKING AND ALSO FOR THE PURPOSE OF CLARIFICATION ON OUR TECHNOLOGY.
SO I AM JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE STILL GOOD ON TIME.
SO $16 MILLION LATER OR NOW, 23 MILLION AND COUNTING.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS.
>> WE DO. WE OWN THE LAND WHERE THE APARTMENTS ARE BUILT?
>> AS I SAID EARLIER, PART OF THE LEASE.
THE WAY THE LEASE WAS STRUCTURED, THEY PAID US $1 MILLION AT INCEPTION OF THE LEASE.
PRESENTLY, THEY PAY $300 A YEAR, $100 PER PARCEL.
AT 60 MONTHS, I THINK THERE IS A DATE WHEN, I DON'T HAVE THAT DATE, JUNE 2023, THEN THAT WOULD BALLOON THE $400,000 PER PARCEL.
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THE PRICE AT WHICH THEY PURCHASED THE PARCEL FROM US GOES UP QUARTERLY.PRESENTLY, THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT IT FOR ALL THREE PARCELS, IT WAS ABOUT $22 MILLION FOR THEM TO PURCHASE A PARCEL.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE GOING TO BE PAYING $400,000 A YEAR PER PARCEL IN RENT.
>> HOW LONG DID THEY PAY, NOT 300,000, OH MY GOSH, I WISH, $300.
>> FROM MEMORY I THINK IT'S FOUR YEARS.
>> FOUR YEARS. WHERE DID WE GET THE MONEY FROM TO PURCHASE THE LAND?
>> ORIGINALLY, IT STARTED OUT AS A LINE OF CREDIT.
WHEN WE STARTED WE WENT OUT AND WE GOT TO LAND ON CREDIT ORIGINALLY, I THINK IT WAS PNC BANK.
OVER THE YEARS, WE REFINANCED THAT LINE OF CREDIT, WE HAD IT WITH DIFFERENT INSTITUTION.
THEN WHEN IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE NO OTHER PURCHASES, THEN IT WAS CONVERTED TO OUR REVENUE BOND.
WAS CONVERTED INTO OUR REVENUE BOND I THINK IN 2016, AND THE PRINCIPAL WAS KEPT AT 60,620,000.
WE PAID INTEREST ONLY DURING THAT TIME.
WE HAVE REFINANCED IN INTERESTS ONLY.
>> FIVE HUNDRED. SO BETWEEN THAT TIME TO NOW, HOW MUCH INTEREST HAS BEEN PAID?
>> VICE MAYOR, IT'S PART OF THE CARRYING COST IN THE $23 MILLION.
>> OKAY. SO PART OF THE CARRYING COST, SO IT LEFT FROM 16,17,18 MILLION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE JUMPING BY MILLIONS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SCIENCE, WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS ANYWAY.
IF WE LEFT FROM $16, 17 MILLION TO NOW 23 MILLION, COULD IT MEAN THAT WE PAID ABOUT $7 MILLION IN INTEREST?
>> IT'S NOT JUST INTEREST, ANY LEGAL FEES.
>> IT IS CUSTOMARY TO PAY LEGAL FEES AND TITLE FEES AND ALL THESE FEES WHEN YOU'RE DOING DEALS, YES?
>> OKAY. SO $7 MILLION OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS AND OUR BENEFIT WITH $300 IN RENT PLUS $1 MILLION.
WHO COOKED THAT DEAL? WHO WAS THE CITY MANAGER?
>> CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME I BELIEVE WAS MICHAEL SARNAGE.
>> MIKE SARNAGE. WHERE IS HE NOW? LET'S GO TO PAGE 54.
HOW MUCH WOULD EACH RESIDENT PAY IF WE DECREASE THIS TO, LET'S SAY THE ROLLBACK RATE? HOW MUCH WOULD RESIDENTS SAVE?
>> WE DID NOT DO THAT COMPUTATION.
>> WHY? YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE IT WILL BE ROLLED BACK? IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE COMPETENT DECISIONS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND PRESENT ALL OF THE INFORMATION, DON'T YOU? OR YOU FIGURE IT OUT ON THE SPOT? GO AHEAD. WE HAVE TIME.
>> I HAVE THE FLOOR. NO, NO, NO, NO, I WAS VERY RESPECTFUL TO YOU.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TALKING BECAUSE YOU'RE WAITING FOR AN ANSWER [OVERLAPPING]
>> IN THE INTERIM OF ASKING THE QUESTION?
>> I'LL BRING THE FLOOR BACK TO YOU AFTERWARDS.
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WHEN YOU'RE READY WITH THE ANSWER YOU CAN PLEASE PROCEED.>> YES, IT'S $101 ON THE MEDIAN.
>> EACH RESIDENT WOULD, ON THE MEDIAN, SAVE $101 PER YEAR. PER YEAR?
>> OKAY. LET'S SAY WE RAISED IT TO THE, WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? 7.154.
>> 7.1986. HOW MUCH WOULD RESIDENTS HAVE TO PAY?
>> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE, IT'S SEVEN.
AND IF YOU RAISED IT TO 7.1986, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT THE MEDIAN SINGLE-FAMILY TAXPAYER WOULD HAVE TO PAY BY $31.78.
>> SO EVERYONE PAYING $31.70, WE BENEFIT 4,609,000 TO 84.
IF WE DO ROLLBACK, EACH RESIDENT WOULD SAVE $101 ON MEDIAN, BUT WE WOULD LOSE HOW MUCH?
>> WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CALCULATION THAT WAS DONE IS ON THE PRESENT VALUE.
SO WE'RE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE INCREASE IN VALUE, SO IT'S ON THE PRESENT VALUE OF 160,000.
THE ROLLBACK RATE WOULD BE $101 LESS, AND THE 7.1986 WOULD BE $32 MORE THAN THE 7.0 AT CURRENT VALUE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT COMPARING TO PREVIOUS YEAR.
>> WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAXES, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND WHAT RESIDENTS ARE FACED WITH.
NOT JUST THEIR TAXES, BUT CDD FEES AND MORTGAGE AND INSURANCE AND CONDO FEES AND ASSESSMENTS.
THERE ARE RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW WHO ARE HAVING HEART PALPITATIONS.
TAKE THIS RESIDENT WHO EMAILED JUST THIS MORNING AT ELEVEN O'CLOCK.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN OR HOW I'M GOING TO MAKE THESE PAYMENTS THAT WENT UP $400 MORE PER MONTH.
I HAVE A DAUGHTER IN COLLEGE AND I LIVE ALONE WITH ONE JOB.
I'M BEING PRICED OUT OF MY HOME.
HOW DO I PAY THIS? WHAT DO I DO? I'M CRYING AT WORK.
I HAVE OTHER MEDICAL CONDITIONS AND I NEED TO DEAL WITH BUT I WILL PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE I NEED EVERY PENNY TO PAY MY MORTGAGE.
I'VE HAD TO GIVE UP FOOD SOME DAYS.
THIS WILL NOT STABILIZE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IF WE CANNOT STAY IN OUR HOMES.
MORTGAGE WENT UP FROM $1,460.90 TO $1,804.27.
WHAT STRUCK ME THE MOST ABOUT THIS IS THE EVERY PENNY PART, THAT RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING TO SAVE EVERY PENNY.
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WHILE WE'RE PAYING $7 MILLION IN INTEREST TO BANKS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT DO WORK, BICKERING ABOUT HELPING OTHER COMMUNITIES TWO MILLION DOLLARS, JUST KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE CRYING THEIR HEARTS OUT.I'M TEMPTED TO SPEAK ON SHAKER VILLAGE.
BUT REALLY AND TRULY, I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT PROJECT AT NAUSEUM IN THESE PROCEEDINGS.
I BELIEVE THAT THE ATTORNEY HAS SPOKEN CLEARLY AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE ASKED ENOUGH QUESTIONS ON THAT.
AT A LATER TIME, I GUESS WE'LL TALK ABOUT OTHER IDEAS OR WHEN WOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE PROPOSALS WHERE WE CAN DO BUDGET CUTS OR ADD THINGS. WHO CAN ANSWER THAT?
>> WELL, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT.
WE NEED TO FINALIZE OUR BUDGET.
JEFF, WHAT'S PROBABLY THE DEADLINE? [NOISE]
>> TENTATIVE BUDGET WILL COME TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER 14.
USUALLY WEEKS AHEAD OF THAT, THE DOCUMENT IS PREPARED FOR YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOU.
SO I WOULD SAY A BUDGET CUT WOULD NEED TO COME TO US SOMETIMES.
>> A RESIDENT BROUGHT UP A SWIM RING INITIATIVE.
>> CITY MANAGER, JUST ONE SECOND, VICE MAYOR, ONE SECOND.
WE STILL HAVE OTHER PARTS OF A PROPOSAL TO BE GOING THROUGH FOR THIS BUDGET WHERE WE START WITH ANYTHING NEW AND ADDITIONAL.
THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS OF WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED THAT WE NEED TO BE ASKING QUESTIONS FOR, AND I'M AWARE THAT BASICALLY LUNCH IS HERE.
SO WE SHOULD FINISH OFF THE QUESTIONS OF STUFF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE WE DO BRAINSTORMING.
FINISH OFF WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE, THEN GO TO LUNCH, FINISH OFF OUR PRESENTATIONS, AND THEN HAVE OUR OPEN CONVERSATION, THE REST OF OUR BUDGET CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE IN THAT, WE MAY WIND UP MEETING, ANOTHER BUDGET MEETING TO BE HAD PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER.
BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I DO NOT THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PAINFUL PROCESS THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS AN ABOMINATION.
SO AT THIS TIME, VICE MAYOR, PLEASE HOLD YOUR COMMENTS FOR ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO LATER TODAY.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE TO BE HAD ON THE BUDGET.
LET'S FINISH THIS THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
LET'S FINISH THIS UP AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS BASED ON WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED, VICE MAYOR?
>> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAMARAC VILLAGE, YOU SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BE ANNUALLY RECEIVING 400,000?
>> FOR AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY IS LEASED.
>> SO 800,000 A YEAR FOR 50 YEARS?
>> IT'S A 99 YEARS, FOR AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY REMAIN LEASED.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT SURE WHERE VICE MAYOR WAS GOING AT, BUT THAT'S 800,000, ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS FOR 50 YEARS, WAY BLOWS $23 MILLION.
TAMARAC VILLAGE, MS. MAXINE, WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST US TO OPERATE IT ANNUALLY? [BACKGROUND]
>> RECORD, GREG WARNER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED THIS FIRST YEAR AND I JUST PROGRAMMING WISE, WE'RE RIGHT AROUND $40,000 AND MAINTENANCE WISE, MAYBE ANOTHER $15,000.
>> IT'S ABOUT 60 GRAND A YEAR TO MAINTAIN IT.
>> FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'LL FIND OUT A LOT MORE AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OF OPERATION.
>> HOW MANY HOMES DO WE HAVE IN TAMARAC? SIXTEEN, 17,000. ANYBODY?
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>> TOGETHER, AT CONDOS, HOMES.
>> EVERYTHING. THIRTY-SOMETHING?
THAT INCLUDES INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, EVERYTHING.
>> THE ONLY NUMBER I KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS A SINGLE-FAMILY AND THAT'S 60,000.
OH, I'M SORRY. THERE'S 14,307.
>> IT'S ABOUT 30. THIRTY IS A GOOD NUMBER?
>> THIRTY THOUSANDS, THOSE EXTRA ZEROS.
>> WE ONLY HAVE 30 HOMES IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
>> IF WE HAVE $9 MILLION TO JUST SPLURGE ON SHAKER VILLAGE, WE CAN GIVE $145 ANNUALLY.
LET'S JUST SAY JUST FOR THE FIRST YEAR $145 PER RESIDENTS.
IF WE DO THOSE NINE MILLION, TO THOSE 30,000 HOUSEHOLDS, THAT'S $300. IT'S TWO YEARS.
JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
FOR THE RECORD, THE 800,000 TIMES, HOWEVER MANY YEARS, SHAKER VILLAGE WOULD BE IN OUR POSSESSION, THE LAND.
>> THANK YOU. ALSO JUST ON THAT, TAMARAC VILLAGE IS ACTUALLY A TAXABLE BENEFITS TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC.
OVER THE YEARS WE'VE ALSO BEEN RECEIVING TAXES ON IT.
WHILE IT WAS MAYBE $400 FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS, THERE WAS NO BUILDINGS ON IT AS THEY WERE BEING BUILT, AND THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION THAT WAS BEING DONE IN ORDER FOR THE BUILDER TO BUILD THOSE HOMES THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN, AND THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A WAITING LIST TO GET INTO, AND IT IS ENJOYED BY MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
IT'S EASY TO PULL APART THINGS AND ONLY PICK APART HERE, HERE, AND HERE AND TRY TO MAKE APPLES AND APPLES.
BUT IF IT'S NOT WASHED A GRANNY SMITH, ACTUALLY A FUJI APPLE AND A WASHINGTON APPLE, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME APPLE PEOPLE.
LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS TAKEN INTO CONTEXT.
SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS AND I LEFT IT FOR LATER, I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION, PLEASE ON PAGE 32: CULVERT, HEADWALLS, STORMWATER.
YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN A BUGABOO ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.
ANYWHERE IN HERE, MORE ON OUR PROJECT FOR OUR CANAL WALLS AND THE MAINTENANCE AND THE ASSISTANCE OF THE TERTIARY CANAL WALLS THAT LINE UP AGAINST OUR COMMUNITIES IN THEIR HOMES, AND THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET? GRANT MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING INTO IT WITH THE BROWARD COUNTY? I HEAR CRICKETS.
CAN YOU FILL US IN AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE TIME ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE GRANT MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY OR THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO DO FOR US? OR THE STATE WAS GIVING US MONEY SO THE COUNTY COULD DO THE SEAWALL?
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RESILIENCE STUDY?
>> THE MONEY THAT WAS GOING INTO THE SEAWALL, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
IS IT HERE OR IS IT NOT HERE YET? WHERE ARE WE WITH WORKING ON OUR RESILIENCY STUDY FOR CANAL WALLS?
>> FOR THE RECORD, NEISA REDA, CHIEF OF STAFF.
LAST YEAR, THE CITY RECEIVED A GRANT TO DEVELOP A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $414,000.
BUT IF THAT IS SCOPE, WE STILL LOOKING TO THE CANAL WALLS WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES.
WE'RE WORKING WITH DP ON FINALIZING THE GRANT AGREEMENT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OR STILL START UP THE STUDY.
>> EXCELLENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S NOT CURRENTLY HERE IN OUR BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S NOT READY YET, BUT IT'S STILL BEING WORKED ON AND THAT'S THE UPDATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT IN A LITTLE BIT REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE MOVING TO CITY HALL.
IT'S BEEN THE CONVERSATION FOR YEARS, BACK-BURNER BY COVID.
BUT MAKING A PRESUMPTION ANY CAMERAS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT IF WE USED TO SAY YES TO IN THE BUDGET AND IT GOES FORTH HERE, WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT IT'S MOVABLE, CORRECT?
>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK TECHNOLOGY HOW LONG? I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HAD SOME CONCERNS.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS LUNCH BEING SET UP, SO IT IS NOW 12:43.
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CAN WE ALL DO THIS IN 47 MINUTES AND BE BACK HERE AT 1:30 FOR LUNCH? THAT'S SUFFICIENT TIME FOR EVERYBODY DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.>> YOU MEAN 1:30 BACK AFTER LUNCH?
>> YEAH, WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH NOW.
FORTY FIVE MINUTES IS SUFFICIENT.
IT'S WELL, IT'S NOW 12:44, 45 MINUTES SUFFICIENT? YES. EVERYBODY, 12:40.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE IN RECESS, WE'LL BE BACK AT 1:30. THANK YOU.
>> BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR OUR FIRE RESCUE?
[1.b Fire Rescue Assessment Update results from Government Services Group Presented by Shane Black, Project Manager - GSG]
ASSESSMENT RESULTS FROM GOVERNMENT SERVICES GROUP PRESENTED BY SHANE BLACK, PROJECT MANAGER, GSG.>> YES. MAYOR, EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO, WE LOOK AT OUR FEES AND DO A STUDY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ONLINE AND THEY WERE CAPTURED IN OUR COST.
THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES WAS IN 2016, SO IT'S BEEN QUITE SOME TIME.
THEY JUST COMPLETED THE STUDY AND THEN THEY'RE HERE TO PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS.
>> CHRISTINE WENT TO GET THEM.
>> CHRISTINE WENT TO GET THEM? I KNOW THEY WERE JUST HANGING OUT BY THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
>> ANY OTHER INTRODUCTIONS THAT WE CAN DO AS WE STRETCH THE PROGRAM A LITTLE BIT? ANYBODY WANT TO SING? NO? [NOISE]
>> ANYBODY WANT TO DANCE? [LAUGHTER]
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FOOD, MAYOR?
I TASTED EVERYTHING FROM EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY THAT WE HAD.
>> MAXINE, YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR MICROPHONE?
>> WE ALL NEED A SIESTA AT ANY POINT IN TIME [LAUGHTER]
I'VE BROKE MY DIET, I WENT CRAZY.
>> EVERYTHING BUT THE HEALTHY STUFF. I DID GIVE UP THE COOKIES.
>> I HAVE COOKIES. DO YOU WANT THESE? [LAUGHTER]
>> NO, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I GAVE YOU BACK IN TIME, BY THE WAY.
SORRY, ON THE RECORD, I GIVE YOU BACK.
THEN FEED HAS BEEN. WELL, THAT EXPLAINS THAT GENTLEMAN [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE BUDGET IS ALREADY BUILT ON THE PROPOSED ASSESSMENT.
>> FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD THE BUDGET IS ALREADY BUILT ON THIS PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING TODAY.
FOR EVERYBODY ALSO NOW THAT OUR MICROPHONES HAVE BEEN GIVEN SOME A LITTLE MORE JUICE, WE'RE GOING TO TURN THEM OFF AND LET YOU PRESENT, SO THIS WAY WE CAN HEAR YOU WITHOUT ANY FEEDBACK.
EVERYBODY, PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR MICS.
>> GOOD, I DON'T HAVE TO MOVE IT OUT.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, SANDI NEUBARTH WITH GOVERNMENT SERVICES GROUP, AND ANZA ADVISORY COMPANY.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO OVER YOUR FIRE ASSESSMENT UPDATE.
THIS IS NOT A NEW FEE THAT YOU'RE CHARGING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU'VE HAD A FIRE ASSESSMENT IN PLACE FOR YEARS.
YOU LAST UPDATED YOUR FIRE ASSESSMENT IN 2016.
WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU UPDATE IT EVERY SO MANY YEARS TO KEEP YOU LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE WHEN YOU CHANGE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU PROVIDE, AND TO MAKE SURE THE PROPORTION STAY IN LINE WITH HOW WE'RE DIVIDING THE COST AMONG PROPERTIES.
RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE CHARGING $350 PER RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT, AND NON-RESIDENTIAL IS BASED ON A SQUARE FOOT TIER KEPT AT 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND A DWELLING UNIT, $350.
THE NON-RESIDENTIAL RATES COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND INSTITUTIONAL IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND STUFF.
BUT THESE ARE THE RATES THAT YOU'RE CHARGING.
YOU'VE BEEN CHARGING THESE RATES, I BELIEVE SINCE 2016, SO THEY'VE STAYED STAGNANT.
LAST YEAR, YOU CERTIFIED ABOUT $14 MILLION IN FIRE ASSESSMENT REVENUE TO THE TAX COLLECTOR.
YOU DIDN'T REALIZE ALL OF THAT BECAUSE JUST LIKE WITH YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, THEIR STATUTORY DISCOUNTS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU DIDN'T QUITE REALIZE $14 MILLION, BUT YOU DID CERTIFY $14 MILLION.
WHEN WE UPDATE THIS STUDY, THERE'S COMPONENTS THAT WE LOOK AT, FOUR PRIMARY COMPONENTS.
WE LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE.
JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, A FIRE ASSESSMENT, TO KEEP YOU LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE, YOU CAN FUND FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES.
WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE YOUR TOTAL BUDGET, WE DEVELOP A FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE BUDGET, AND THEN WE LOOK AT WHAT PORTION IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO FIRE PROTECTION,
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ANYTHING UP TO THE LEVEL OF FIRST RESPONDER FIRE PROTECTION, AND WHAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH EMS. THEN WE CREATE AN ASSESSABLE BUDGET BASED ON A METHODOLOGY THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED TO PROPORTION THE EMS FROM THE FIRE THAT WAS LOOKED AT IN THE DESERT AREA VERSUS BOYNTON BEACH CASE AND BLESSED BY THE COURT.WE USE THAT SAME METHODOLOGY HERE TO DEVELOP A FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE ASSESSABLE BUDGET, WHICH IS $19,073,000.
THE INFORMATION THAT I'M GOING TO BE PROVIDING IS BASED ON THIS FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE ASSESSABLE BUDGET.
THIS IS THE KEY TO YOUR METHODOLOGY.
THIS IS THE FAIR AND REASONABLENESS OF YOUR METHODOLOGY.
THIS IS HOW THE COSTS THAT ARE APPORTIONED TO THE PROPERTIES WHO ARE PAYING FOR IT AND IT'S BASED ON YOUR CALLS.
WHO'S DEMANDING THE SERVICE FROM YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT? WE LOOK AT THE CALLS AND WE LOOK AT THEM BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS BUT THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL THAT'S RESPONDING TO EACH OF THESE CALLS, AND THE TIME IN WHICH THEY'RE SPENDING ON THOSE CALLS.
BECAUSE THEN THAT ACCOUNTS FOR YOUR TOTAL RESOURCES THAT ARE BEING SPENT ON THESE FIRE CALLS.
THEN WE SEE WHO'S DEMANDING WHAT PERCENT OF THE CALLS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PIE CHART THIS GIVES YOU THE DEMAND PROPORTION.
79.43 PERCENT OF YOUR FIRE PROTECTION CALLS ARE GOING TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
6.58 PERCENT ARE GOING TO INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES.
INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES ARE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE CHURCHES, NON-PROFITS, SCHOOLS, GOVERNMENTS, THINGS THAT ARE PUBLIC PURPOSE.
THEN 1.95 PERCENT IS GOING TO INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND 12.404 PERCENT IS GOING TO COMMERCIAL.
WHATEVER BUDGET YOU DECIDE TO FUND IT NEEDS TO BE DIVIDED INTO THESE PIECES OF THE PIE CHART WE SEE TO KEEP YOU FAIR AND REASONABLE.
NOW HOW IS THIS SHIFTING FROM THE PRIOR STUDY? IN 2016 WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS RESIDENTIAL HAS GONE UP SLIGHTLY 0.23 PERCENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT THAT WAY.
COMMERCIAL HAS GONE DOWN 1.11 PERCENT.
INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE HAS GONE UP 0.88 PERCENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF SHIFT IN THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL RATES.
COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE IS GOING TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT.
INSTITUTIONAL STAYED ABOUT THE SAME.
WHAT'S FAIR AND REASONABLE TO CHARGE? IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE THE SAME WAY YOU'RE CHARGING RIGHT NOW.
RESIDENTIAL ON A PER DWELLING UNIT BASIS, NON-RESIDENTIAL BASED ON PER SQUARE FOOT TIERS UP TO 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS JUST A BREAKDOWN OF THAT FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE ASSESSABLE BUDGET, THAT $19.073 MILLION BUDGET.
BASED ON THAT COST APPORTIONMENT THIS IS THE PIECES OF PIE THAT IT WOULD BE BROKEN DOWN.
RESIDENTIAL 79.43 PERCENT OF THE DEMAND, THEN THEY WOULD PAY 79.43 PERCENT OF THAT $19 MILLION OR 15.15 MILLION.
COMMERCIAL 2.295 ALMOST 2.3 MILLION, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE 371,000, AND AN INSTITUTIONAL 1.255 MILLION.
BUT THAT IS THE KEY TO YOUR FAIR AND REASONABLE.
>> IF YOU ONLY DECIDED TO FUND $1 MILLION YOU WOULD STILL NEED TO BREAK IT INTO THESE PIECES.
>> I BELIEVE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A SLIGHT INCREASE THIS YEAR.
LIKE I SAID YOU'VE BEEN AT THE SAME RATES THAT YOU'VE BEEN AT SINCE 2016.
I BELIEVE THE SERVICES AND IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ENHANCED SERVICES AND THE CHIEF WILL BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THOSE.
BUT FUNDING ABOUT 93.45 PERCENT OF THAT FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE BUDGET WHICH IS GOING TO NET YOU ABOUT $2.7 MILLION MORE THAN YOU CERTIFIED LAST YEAR IS $420 PER RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL FOR A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL IT'S $2,148, $716 FOR THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE BUILDING, AND $3,580 FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL BUILDING.
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NOW YOU ALSO DO HAVE SOME EXEMPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IT'S A POLICY DECISION.SINCE YOU'VE IMPLEMENTED IT YOUR POLICY DECISION HAS BEEN TO EXEMPT GOVERNMENT AND INSTITUTIONAL TAX EXEMPT PROPERTIES AND WE WERE ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT SO WE ACCOUNTED THOSE INTO YOUR BUDGET AND IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS AND BUY DOWN YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR ANNEX PROPERTIES THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME INNER LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THEM.
ANYWAYS THE $420 PER DWELLING UNIT RATE OR $70 MORE PER DWELLING UNIT THEN YOU IMPOSE LAST YEAR WILL NET YOU US $16.8 MILLION.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING.
WE DON'T KNOW THIS YEAR'S RATES.
I DO KNOW THAT I'M WORKING WITH A FEW OF THE OTHER BROWARD CITIES RIGHT NOW AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT INCREASING THEIR RATES THIS YEAR.
BUT THIS IS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THEY RANGE FROM, I'M SORRY MY EYES ARE TERRIBLE I HAVE HARD TIME SEEING THAT UP THERE, FROM $134.50, LIGHTHOUSE POINT TO SOUTHWEST RANCHES $764.44.
THESE ARE THE RESIDENTIAL RATES AGAIN BECAUSE YOU CAN COMPARE DWELLING UNITS TO DWELLING UNITS.
THE AVERAGE IN THESE IS RIGHT AROUND THE MID 300S.
YOU WERE A TINY BIT ABOVE THE AVERAGE.
BUT THIS ALSO DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU PROVIDE.
THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE WHAT THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING.
BUT YOU'RE COMPARING THE DOLLAR VALUES THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY COMPARING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING AND THE COST OF THOSE SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT DO COME INTO PLAY.
BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING.
THE SCHEDULE WE'RE HAVING THE WORKSHOP TODAY AND YOU ARE SCHEDULED TO ADOPT YOUR PRELIMINARY RATE RESOLUTION THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU ADOPT YOUR TRIM.
IT'S THE HIGHEST RATES THAT YOU CAN GO THAT YEAR.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION AS TO WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO GO WITH THE HIGHER ONES JUST LIKE WHEN YOU SET YOUR MILLAGE.
YOU'LL MAKE THAT DECISION ON JULY 12TH.
THE ROLE WILL GET CERTIFIED TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER JUST LIKE YOU DO EVERY OTHER YEAR.
IT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED ON EVERYBODY'S TRIMMED NOTICE THAT GET MAILED OUT.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE GETTING MAILED OUT THE 22ND THIS YEAR OF AUGUST AND THEN YOU WILL MAKE YOUR FINAL DECISION IN SEPTEMBER.
YOU GUYS I THINK YOU'RE A REGULAR MEETING IN SEPTEMBER 13TH BUT YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORK AROUND THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS AND THE COUNTIES MEETINGS.
SOMETIMES MY BROWARD CITIES HAVE TO SCHEDULE SPECIAL MEETINGS WHICH I'M SURE IT'S NOTHING NEW TO YOU GUYS.
BUT HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M SURE THAT CHIEF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TOO.
>> IF I MAY, MAYOR I ALSO LIKE TO HAVE CHIEF SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE ASSESSMENT FEE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COMMISSION.
YES. WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
NOW, IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS HASN'T BEEN RAISED SINCE 2016.
WE WERE GOING TO RAISE IT A WHILE BACK.
OF COURSE, COVID CHANGED THAT, SO WE DELAYED THAT AND WE KICKED IT DOWN THE ROAD.
WE EVEN LOOKED AT IT LAST YEAR AND WE DECIDED TO MOVE IT ONTO THIS YEAR AS WELL.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DONE, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY COSTS ARE GOING UP FROM EVERY ANGLE BETWEEN VEHICLES, TIRES, PERSONNEL, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S ALL GONE UP CONSIDERABLY.
SO THE TIME IS REALLY NOW TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
AND AS SHE SAID THE FIRE EMPHASIZE THAT THE ONLY COVERS FIRE RELATED SUBJECTS.
WHAT I DID WAS WE LOOKED AT STATION 36 AS YOU ALL FULLY AWARE OF IT, THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR YEARS LIKE YOU SAID.
IT'S COME TO THAT TIME WHERE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT MOVE TO STAFF THAT TRUCK.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE KNEW THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS ASKING ABOUT COVERAGE IN THAT AREA AS WE HEARD AND SO WE DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT A ADAPTIVE RESPONSE UNIT AS A TEMPORARY MEASURE.
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AN INITIAL PROPOSAL TO START THE PROCESS TO GIVE US SOME COVERAGE IN THAT AREA.THE SECOND PART OF THAT WAS TO FULLY STAFFED AT 25, AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, IS WHY WE BOUGHT THE TRUCKS TO MOVE FORWARD TO STAFF THAT UNIT.
WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND ALSO IS IMPORTANT AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THIS FACT AND INFORMATION, WHICH IS ISO.
NOW WE ALL KNOW WHERE CLASS 1 ISO DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS A GOOD THING THAT AFFECTS THE INSURANCE RATES FOR EVERYBODY FROM CITIZENS TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND SO FORTH.
WE'RE A CLASS 1 RIGHT NOW AND WE REACHED OUT TO ISO BECAUSE ARE COMING NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE PREPARING SO MID NEXT YEAR THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND REVISIT TAMARAC FIRE RESCUE.
THEY VIEW STATION 36 AS A VACANT STATION BECAUSE THERE'S NO FIRE SUPPRESSION UNIT THERE AT THIS TIME.
TO THEM, THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIRE STATION WITHOUT A FIRE TRUCK.
WE KNOW THAT. THAT'S WHY I PROPOSED TO GSG AND YOU AS WELL, THAT WE WANTED TO PUT THE TEMPORARY UNIT IN THERE AND ADAPTIVE RESPONSE AND SHOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO GROW INTO A FULL-TIME UNIT.
IF WE DON'T DO THAT THE IMPACTS NATIONALLY, THEY SAY IT'S ABOUT A 48 PERCENT INCREASE IN YOUR INSURANCE POLICY.
LET'S SAY FOR A $250,000 HOME, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, JUST TO SAY A FIVE PERCENT, THAT'S $125 PER YEAR INCREASE.
IF WE LOSE, BEING A CLASS 1, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT FOR MANY REASONS.
BUT THAT'S JUST THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT WE WANT TO AVOID.
OBVIOUSLY, THE BUSINESS IS GOING TO HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE AHEAD OF THAT CURVE, ANTICIPATE THAT AND BE ON TIME WITH IT SO WE DON'T LOSE TRACTION.
OBVIOUSLY, ONCE WE DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STEP UP THE STAFFING, KEEP EVERYTHING GOING AS IT SHOULD.
THE COVERAGE WILL BE THERE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS NUMBER 1, AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMITMENT TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY.
EVERY ONE OF YOU IS RAN ON THAT.
YOU DISCUSSED THAT YOU'VE SAID THAT YOU'VE COMMITTED TO IT AND I THINK IT'S ADMIRABLE THAT THAT'S WHERE YOUR HEARTS ARE AT.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT COSTS MONEY AND THIS IS JUST AN OPTION OF HOW TO PAY FOR THAT.
THIS IS HOW IT'S REALLY DONE AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A FIRE RELATED COSTS.
IT'S VERY CLEAR 36 IS A FIRE TRUCKS, SO WE'RE TRYING TO STAFF IT.
WE'RE TRYING TO PURCHASE THE VEHICLE TO DO IT AND THAT'S THE POINT OF REACHING TO DO THE FIRE ASSESSOR WILL BE AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE KNOW WE NEED IT. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR CITIES, THEY BUMP UP EVERY 3-5 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO DO THAT STAIR-STEPPING.
YOU'VE BEEN AT THAT STAGNANT, RIGHT SINCE 2016? DEERFIELD BEACH, DOES THAT DO THEY GO WITH THE STAGNANT RIGHT.
FOR THREE, MAYBE FIVE YEARS AND THEN THEY BUMP UP AND THEN THEY STAY THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT, SO THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT UNUSUAL.
USUALLY WHEN YOU DO UPDATE IT, THAT'S A GOOD TIME JUST TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE BUMP UP.
IT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND THAT THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT HOW THE PORTION OF IT IS FAIR AND REASONABLE AND SO WE'VE UPDATED THE BUDGET AND ALL THAT STUFF.
USUALLY THAT'S THE TREND THAT OTHER CITIES DO FOLLOW.
>> I HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT.
>> PERFECT. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T INTERRUPT.
COMMISSIONER, WHY DO YOU SEEM TO HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU WANT TO ASK NOW? [OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE STUDYING. VICE MAYOR.
IS THAT ONE FLIPPED OVER FROM LAST TIME? WAS THAT FOR NOW? LET'S TAKE IT THAT'S FROM LAST TIME. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY LEVEL SERVICE? WHEN YOU REFERENCE LEVEL OF SERVICE?
>> WELL, SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE AS MANY FIRE STATIONS.
NOT ALL OF YOUR BROWARD CITIES ARE ISO 1.
IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE SO THEIR INSURANCE RATES ARE DIFFERENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY MAY NOT STAFF IT THE SAME WAY.
THEY MAY USE A MINIMUM STAFFING MORE OFTEN THAN A NORMAL STAFFING.
THERE MAY JUST BE TWO GUYS ON A TRUCK ON AN APPARATUS AS OPPOSED TO 3, 4, WHATEVER.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAT THEY'RE RUNNING.
I THINK ALL OF YOUR BROWARD CITIES ARE ALS, BUT WE DO WORK WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES IN WHICH THEY ARE FIRST RESPONDERS, SO THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ALS COMPONENT.
WHEN PEOPLE START COMPARING NUMBERS, IT MAKES ME CRINGE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW THE OUTCOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
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>> YOU WANT TO TELL US WHICH CITIES DON'T SO THAT WE WON'T LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WRONG?
>> I DON'T KNOW I THINK ALL OF THEM.
>> I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS ALS IN THE COUNTY.
>> IN THE COUNTY I THINK THEY ARE, BUT I'M SAYING WE WORKED THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
>> WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE AN EMS COMPONENTS.
>> SO WHEN I SAY WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO COMPARE THEM TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BECAUSE THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS DIFFERENT
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYBODY IS ISO RATINGS IN BROWARD COUNTY, I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY.
>> WHAT DID YOU WANT US TO COMPARE WHEN WE LOOK AT IT?
>> OH, WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL RATES ARE FOR THE OTHER BROWARD CITIES.
>> IT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU DO.
>> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ISO RATING.
>> TOUCHES ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE WATER SUPPLY, WHICH IS PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC SERVICES, AND DISPATCH.
SO THOSE THREE COMPONENTS ARE MEASURED ON A BUNCH OF PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT DETERMINE WHAT OUR ISO RATINGS AND RESPONSE.
SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ALL, HOW MANY HYDROGENS ARE THERE? HOW MANY DISTANCES ARE THERE FROM HYDRANT TO HOME, AND SO FORTH.
WHEN THE FIRE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S RESPONSE TIME, ENGINE COVERAGE.
DO WE HAVE A HYDRANT INSPECTION PROGRAM? THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT GOES INTO A TRAINING HOURS.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS, BUT THEY HAVE TO MEASURE IT.
IT'S LIKE THE PERCENTAGES OF I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S LIKE 50 PERCENT FIRE, 40 PERCENT PUBLIC SERVICES, AND THEN 10 PERCENT OF DISPATCH.
AND THEY MEASURE ALL THOSE THEY COME DOWN, THEY SPEND ABOUT TWO DAYS WITH US.
BASICALLY GO THROUGH ALL OF OUR DATA ON OUR RECORDS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE.
AGAIN, ONE THING TO POINT OUT ABOUT THE ISO IS NOT ONLY IS IT SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT IT MAINTAINED, BUT THE INDUSTRY IS CHANGING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS NOW GETTING TO ISO.
SO NATURALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY WANT TO RAISE THAT BAR UP BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT LEVEL ISO TO THIS LIKE HIGHER LEVEL, WHICH OF COURSE WILL MEET IF WE CONTINUE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO FALL BELOW THAT AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AS EVERYONE GETS THERE.
NOW THEY GO IN AND NOW LET'S CHANGE IT A LITTLE BIT THEY BUMP UP.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE'RE TARGETING.
WE'RE WATCHING FOR IT TO BE AHEAD OF THAT CURVE.
>> SO IT'S LIKE AN ORGANISM'S, [OVERLAPPING]
>> EXCUSE ME. SO IT'S LIKE AN ORGANIZATION THAT COMES DOWN TO DO A RATING?
>> YES. FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, IT'S LIKE ACCREDITATION.
OKAY. SO THEY'LL COME DOWN, ISO IS AN INTERNATIONAL THING.
THEY'LL COME DOWN AND THEY'LL VISIT WITH US AND THEY'LL SIT THERE AND THEY'LL GO THROUGH EVERYTHING.
IT'S BASICALLY LIKE AN ACCREDITATION EXCEPT FOR THEY'RE MEASURING OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, MEASURING OUR WATER DELIVERY SYSTEM, AND THEN THEY'RE MEASURING OUR DISPATCHED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DISPATCH HITS CERTAIN PARAMETERS TO BE QUALIFIED AS A HIGH-END DISPATCH CENTER, SO WE GET THE CALLS QUICKLY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
>> AND TELL ME ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES AND HOW THAT AFFECTS EVERYTHING.
>> TIME. I MEAN, IT'S ALL ABOUT TIME.
THERE'S A CERTAIN TIME WINDOW THAT THEY WANT TO SEE US MAKE IT IN.
THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF JUST SAY IT'S ERF EMERGENCY RESPONSE FRAMEWORK.
THEY HAVE TO BE THERE ON A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE X AMOUNT OF UNITS ON SCENE, SAY TO A STRUCTURE FIRE WITHIN I DON'T HAVE THE TIME, MAYBE CHIEF FRAZIER BACK THERE DOES, BUT IT'S A CERTAIN TIME-FRAME THAT WE HAVE TO MANAGE TO GET THERE.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE STATION 36 THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THERE WAS A KIND OF A DEAD SPOT.
SO WE PUT 36TH YEAR TO FILL THAT IN.
AND NOW, OBVIOUSLY, WHERE WE'RE LACKING IS HAVING THE FIRE SUPPRESSION IN PLACE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.
>> SO THIS IS REAL CALLS OR YOU'RE LOOKING AT MARK CALLS?
>> REAL CALLS. THIS IS ALL REAL CALL.
THEY LOOK AT REAL DATA JUST LIKE WE SENT THEM THE REAL DATA.
THEY LOOKED AT THE REAL DATA AS TO WHAT TYPE OF CALLS OR RESPONDED TO X AMOUNT, 78 PERCENT IS AS FAR AS FIRE GOES, THESE RESIDENTIAL AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THEY LOOK AT THAT EXACT STUFF, WHAT OUR RESPONSE TIMES.
WE HAVE PRE-FIRE PLANS FOR THOSE BUILDINGS AND BUSINESSES AND SO FORTH.
SO EVERYTHING IS LOOKED AT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACHIEVING A HIGH LEVEL GOAL WOULD BE IN A CLASS WHILE ISO-1.
>> CLOSEST UNIT RESPONSE IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT?
>> CLOSEST UNIT RESPONSE IS NOT NECESSARILY.
THEY LOOKED AT THE SEE IF YOU HAVE ILAS AND MUTUAL AND AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENTS.
BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, THEY FACTOR IT BUT NOT TOTALLY IN AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
IT'S PART OF IT BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S JUST AN AGREEMENT. THAT'S JUST LIKE A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT.
>> HAS IT BEEN A PART OF OUR GRADE AS ISO-1?
>> I MEAN, THEY MAY HAVE MEASURED IT IN THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS COUNTED PER SE. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK.
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>> OKAY. AND SO THE STATION THAT DOES NOT HAVE A FIRE TRUCK WOULD HAVE BEEN COVERED THROUGH AUTOMATIC AID?
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY LIKE ENGINE 41 FROM RIGHT HERE, WE'LL GO OVER THERE AND RESPOND TO THAT DISTRICT.
AND SO WELL, 78 OVER THERE IN YOUR DISTRICT, AND THEN NORTH LAUDERDALE COULD COME ACROSS AS WELL.
BUT NONE OF THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE QUICKER THAN THE STATION ITSELF.
>> WE'VE BEEN ISO-1, FOR HOW LONG?
>> THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME, SO THIS WILL BE OUR THIRD RENEWAL.
>> THIRD RENEWAL. AND DURING THAT TIME OF BEING ISO-1, WE DIDN'T HAVE A FIRE TRUCK?
>> SO WE ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST RANKING WITHOUT THE FIRE SUPPRESSION?
>> WE DID. HOWEVER, WE HAVE A STATION BUILT THERE NOW AND THEY WILL LOOK AT THAT AS AN EMPTY STATION, COUNTS IN A WEIRD WAY AGAINST US BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT STATION AND I HAVE A RESCUE THERE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE FIRE SUPPRESSION.
>> SO WE BUILT A FACILITY THAT WILL REQUIRE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND INCREASE IN BUDGET, RIGHT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH, AND SO WITH PURCHASING THE FIRE TRUCK, WE NOW HAVE TO LOOK AT PERSONNEL TO MANAGE IT?
>> AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE ADAPTIVE, WHICH IS I GUESS A WAY AROUND THAT TEMPORARILY [LAUGHTER]
>> SO THAT WE PUT THEM WHERE THEY BELONG.
>> AND THAT IS THIS YEAR IN THIS BUDGET, $308,000?
>> AND IT WILL GO UP IN LATER YEARS?
>> IT WOULD GO UP APPROXIMATELY, DEPENDING ON PER FIREFIGHTER.
I THINK IT WAS 120,000 PER FIREFIGHTER.
SO LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY IT'S 10 FIREFIGHTERS, 1.2 MILLION FOR STAFFING.
>> AND YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE?
>> SO BUILDING FACILITIES IS NOT A BAD THING WHEN IT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS AN ONGOING COSTS THAT WILL INCREASE OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS?
>> ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, WE'RE SERVING THE PUBLIC.
THE STATIONS BUILT THERE TO LAST USUALLY TYPICALLY STAY FIVE STATIONS THERE FOR 50 YEARS.
THAT'S HOW LONG IT SHOULD LAST.
LET ME JUST SAY THAT SHOULD LAST 50 YEARS.
AND IT'S THERE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.
ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S CENTRAL TO TAMARAC.
IT'S ALSO RIGHT THERE ALONG UNIVERSITY DRIVE.
IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE A SLIGHTLY DELAYED RESPONSE TO MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND SO FORTH.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND THEY WERE TRYING TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES IN THERE.
SO THEY HAVE THAT TRUCK, THEY'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT DOES SERVE THE PUBLIC, YES.
>> SO SERVING THE PUBLIC CANNOT BE QUANTIFIED, YOU'RE SAYING?
>>THAT'S OUR JOB, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
>> AND YOU PROTECT LIVES AND PROPERTY?
>> HOW MUCH DID THE FIRE STATION COST TO BUILD?
>> WE PURCHASED IT I BELIEVE THAT WAY BACK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WAS, BUT WE DID PURCHASE IT FROM A PRIVATE ENTITY.
>> YOU PURCHASED THE LAND FROM A PRIVATE ENTITY? CHRISTINE, HOW MUCH DID WE PURCHASE THE LAND FOR?
>> FROM MEMORY, I BELIEVE WE GET 1.2 MILLION.
>> WE PURCHASED THE LAND $1.2 MILLION.
WE BUILT IT FOR ANOTHER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
>> AT THAT TIME WE KNEW THAT IT WOULD HAVE ONGOING COSTS THAT WOULD INCREASE EVERY SINGLE YEAR, BUT STILL WE DID THAT BECAUSE IT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
>> YES AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRE STATION WAS DONE VIA BOND THAT WAS ISSUED SO WE ARE PAYING DEBT SERVICE THAT IS PART OF THE COST PRESENTLY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.
>> SOMETIMES THE CITY PURCHASES PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY SEE THAT THEY CAN INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT COMES IN FOR INSTANCE, TAMARAC VILLAGE OVER YEARS WOULD PROBABLY WE GET $400,000 PER YEAR IN RENT.
BUT SOMETIMES WE BUY PROPERTY BASED ON SERVING A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND EVEN THOUGH THE COST OF MAINTAINING IT OVER PERIOD TIME IS COST BURDEN ON THE CITY.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE, THAT CANNOT BE QUANTIFIED?
>> YES. WHEN THERE'S AN IDENTIFIABLE.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK CHIEF ANNESE. WE LOVE AND APPRECIATE YOU.
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>> HAVE YOU LOST YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT WITH THAT WONDERFUL.
>> CHIEF COMPARED TO SOUTHWEST RANCHES AND WEST AND WHERE WE'LL BE IN A MINUTE AND A LOT OF HEALTH, HOW WOULD YOU COMPARE TO SERVICE WE GIVE TO THOSE THREE THAT COST WILL BE COST THEM, ONLY THREE CITIES THAT WILL BE POSSIBLE?
>> HOW DO I COMPARE THAT? I DON'T WANT TO BAD MOUTH ANYBODY ELSE.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE RESONANCE WHEN WE ADD THE $70.
>> YOU'RE ADDING A SUPPRESSION UNIT. IT'S A BIG DEAL.
IT'S A FOURTH SUPPRESSION UNIT.
IT PROVIDES THAT COVERAGE IN THAT AREA, THAT'S YOUR DISTRICT, IT'S YOUR RESIDENTS.
>> WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SOME RESPONSE TIMES AND JUST CLEAR LOGICALLY THE DISTANCE FROM THE TRAVEL FROM THIS STATION TO WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS.
LET'S SAY YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE, GOD FORBID, IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME THAT LONG TO GET THERE FROM HERE.
>> OR LET'S SAY YOU'RE IN THAT ZONE OVER NEAR THE STATION.
IT'S GOING TO BE THAT MUCH QUICKER FOR US TO GET THERE. IT'S ALL ABOUT TIME.
FIRE GROWS EXPONENTIALLY EACH MINUTE, AND IT GETS BIGGER AND IT GETS OUT OF CONTROL.
THE REASON THAT WE WANT TO BE QUICK IS WE WANT TO STOP IT IN THE ROOM OF ORIGIN SO WE CAN PUT IT OUT QUICK, SAVE LIVES AND PROPERTY.
IT'S ALL ABOUT TIME. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE GOING TO SLOW THAT. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CUT THAT TIME.
WE'RE DOING IT TEMPORARILY WITH THE ADAPTIVE RESPONSE.
THAT'S ONLY TEMPORARY. LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST A STOPGAP THERE.
>> OUR SERVICE IS SECOND TO NONE.
WE DO A GREAT JOB. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
I THINK THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR COMMAND STAFF, OUR CITY, OUR HR DEPARTMENT, FINANCE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC SERVICES, EVERYBODY, ALL OF THE ABOVE DOES A FANTASTIC JOB HERE TOGETHER TO MAKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GREAT. WE WOULDN'T BE GREAT WITHOUT THEM.
>> YOU'RE STILL NOT COMPARING BUT OKAY.
BECAUSE WHEN SOMEBODY'S SEE THIS SLIDE WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS NECESSARY TO PUT THERE, HOW DO YOU ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS?
>> SOME PEOPLE DO BUSINESS DIFFERENTLY.
THEY TAKE MONEY FROM DIFFERENT PLACES.
I KNOW THIS MONEY COULD COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY BUT I'M SORRY.
>> I DIDN'T SEE IT THERE BECAUSE WE JUST WENT OVER THAT PART UNLESS WE RAISED IN THE MILITARY.
>> BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS THE REASON THAT THE VARIATIONS AND THOSE FEES ARE BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY OPERATE THEIR BUSINESSES DIFFERENTLY.
>> NOT EVERYBODY IMPOSES 100 PERCENT FEES.
SAYING SOME PEOPLE OFFSET IT WITH THE GENERAL FUNDS.
THEY MAY NOT FIND 100 PERCENT OF [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THE GENERAL FUND COMES FROM TAXPAYERS EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE PAYING THAT MONEY.
>> THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THE GENERAL.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE PEOPLE EITHER WAY WE'RE PAYING THE MONEY.
AS A RESIDENT, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY.
>> ANOTHER COMPONENT IS THAT IT'S A TAX BASE.
SOME CITIES HAVE A LARGER TAX BASE THAT'S SHARING THE COST, THE COST PER INDIVIDUAL, RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL UNIT ZONE.
IT'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND IT'S THE TAX BASE [INAUDIBLE]
>> BASED ON WHAT SHE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO CUT COMMERCIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE OF WHATEVER POLICIES THOSE THINGS WILL BE CUT INSTEAD OF BEING LESS BECAUSE SHE SAID IS GOING TO BRING LESS REVENUE.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD BECAUSE IT WAS UP TO MAKE IT FEAR THAT.
>> THE APPORTIONMENT, THE DEMAND FOR COMMERCIAL WENT DOWN SLIGHTLY, BUT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE WENT UP SLIGHTLY.
IF YOU WERE FUNDING AT THE SAME LEVEL, YES, IT WOULD GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE THEIR DEMANDS, IT'S THE WAY YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
>> THE MORE COMMERCIAL YOU BRING IN, THE MORE DEMAND THERE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING THE MORE CALLS THEY'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING TO THAT AND THEREFORE THEN WE RELOOK AT IT IN 3-5 YEARS AND IT MAY SHIFT A LITTLE BIT THE OTHER WAY.
>> I COULD SAY OVERALL THAT IN 2015, OUR CALL VOLUME WAS 11,478.
LAST YEAR WE WENT UP ABOUT 18 PERCENT TO 2022.
IT'S SLOWLY GROWING OUR CALL VOLUME AND I ANTICIPATE IT TO CONTINUE THAT WAY WHICH IS AGAIN, WHY THE STATION WAS BUILT THERE.
WHY IT WAS CONCEIVED 10 YEARS AGO, LIKE VICE MAYOR BOLTON THAT TALKED ABOUT A WHILE BACK.
THIS IS JUST NOW COMING INTO WISHING TO PUT IN PLACE.
>> I APPRECIATE US BEING PROACTIVE.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR NOT MUDDY. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTION SHEATH,
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WHICH ARE THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE ISO ONE IN BROWARD COUNTY?>> ARE YOU DOING JOHN FRAZIER, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF?
>> BY LOOKING AT THE [INAUDIBLE] DOWN THE BOTTOM, I KNOW SOUTHWEST RANCHES.
FIRE CHIEF THERE HIS DAD WAS MY FOOTBALL COACH WHEN I WAS 10 YEARS OLD.
THERE WERE VOLUNTEER DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR BEING ISO 1.
WESTON IS NOT, HOLLYWOOD IS, WEST PARK IS NOT.
>> PEMBROKE PINES IS, LAUDER LAKES IS NOT, FORT LAUDERDALE IS, HOLLYWOOD IS, DEERFIELD BEACH IS NOT, PARKLAND IS NOT, [INAUDIBLE] CITY IS NOT, BUT THEY'RE BSO SO THEY ARE NOW.
WHAT MATTERS IS NOT HALLANDALE, THEY ARE BSO.
THEY ARE NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE BSO BEFORE THAT THEY WERE NOT.
CORAL SPRINGS IS NOT, CORAL STREAK IS NOT, OPEN PARK IS NOT, DANLA IS NOW BSO.
>> NOT TO INTERRUPT, SO YOU ARE SAYING BSO IS ISO 1?
>> BUT YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, BSO HAS A LOT OF CONTRACTS CITIES.
>> THAT WAS HORRIBLE, I THOUGHT I HAD A CHORD.
[LAUGHTER] I'VE WORKED WITH BSO TO GET THROUGH ISO 1 SO I KNOW PRETTY IN-DEPTHLY ABOUT-.
>> FIRST OF ALL, THEY ARE A BUNCH OF GUYS, THEY DO A GREAT JOB, LET ME SAY THAT.
SECOND OF ALL, THEY'RE NOT GRADED ON ALL THEIR CONTRACTS CITIES IF THAT THEY WOULD NEVER BE AN ISO 1 IF THEY WERE BECAUSE IT'S SO INTENSE WITH THEIR WATER SUPPLY AND THEIR PRE-FIRE PLANS, THEY COULD NOT DO IT PHYSICALLY.
THEY HAVE THEIR CORE CITIES, WHICH IS THE UNINCORPORATED, THAT IS ISO 1.
THEY ARE CONTRACT CITIES OR NOT? NOT SAYING NONE OF THEM, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT BECAUSE I HELPED THEM GET IT.
>> MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I KNOW VICE MAYOR BOLTON, WHICH IS TRUE, A LIFE CAN'T BE QUANTIFIED, BUT WE CAN QUANTIFY RESPONSE TIME.
WE HAVE EMPIRICAL DATA AND HISTORY, SO WHAT WOULD YOU SAY SO THE RESPONSE TIME COMPARED TO YOU GUYS? I'LL SAY BSO FOR EXAMPLE.
>> WELL, I HAVE THEIR RESPONSE TIMES, I HAVE THEIR ANNUAL COMPLIANCE REPORT.
LIKE I SAID, I WORKED WITH THEIR ACCREDITATION PEOPLE QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE A BIT QUICKER THAN THEY ARE CURRENTLY.
>> WHEN YOU SAY QUANTIFY, THAT SECONDS, MINUTES?
>> IF I HAD TO GIVE YOU A TIME, WE'RE ABOUT A MINUTE FASTER OVERALL.
>> CORRECT. NOW, WHENEVER YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TIMES THAT NOBODY REALLY UNDERSTANDS.
THERE'S YOUR FIRST UNIT ON SCENE TIME, THEN THERE'S YOUR FULL EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE.
SHE MENTIONED ABOUT AN ERF, YOUR FULL EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE, WHICH CAN BE 12 MINUTES AFTER THAT.
THAT'S THE SECOND TIME AND THAT'S WHENEVER YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT TO SEE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT OUT A STRUCTURE FIRE ON THIS DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES.
HOW MANY DIFFERENT JOBS IS IT GOING TO TAKE? HOW MANY DIFFERENT FIREFIGHTERS IS IT GOING TO TAKE? THE FIRST GUY IS GOING TO BE THERE.
THEY'LL BE A TIME SHE'S GOING TO TAKE COMMAND, IT'S GOING TO BE ONE DRY OPERATING THE ENGINE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A WRIT TEAM, THERE IS GOING TO BE, AN ENTRY TEAM, THERE IS GOING TO BE ONE GUY IN WATER SUPPLY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ERF, WE CAN SAY, OUR TRUCK GOT THERE FASTER.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK OUT IN ERF, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, OUR TOTAL ERF IS 17 FIREFIGHTERS ON SCENE, SO BSO'S IS 14 AND WE INCORPORATE.
WHEN IT COMES A LOT OF THEIR LAKES, THEY DON'T HAVE A ELEVATED STREAM, THEY DON'T HAVE A LADDER, SO THEY USE OURS TO GET THEIR ERF BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE CLOSEST HUMAN RESPONSE.
WE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT THAT MEANS THAT WE RESPOND TO THEIR FIRE.
LOGISTICALLY, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO HAVE EVERY APPARATUS.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. IN TERMS OF QUANTIFICATION, WE'RE ONE-MINUTE FASTER, SO WE CAN QUANTIFY THEM.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA, I ALSO SEE THAT EVERY BSO CITY IS CHEAPER EXCEPT WESTERN.
WHEN I LOOKED AT NUMBERS AND THE BSO CITIES, THEY SEEM TO BE CHEAPER.
WHY WOULD IT BE BSO BE CHEAPER FOR RESIDENTS, IN TERMS OF ASSESSMENT PIECE?
>> JOHN, YOU CAN SIT DOWN, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET BURNED UP THERE.
WHERE IS THAT LIFE RING? I NEED THE LIFE RING.
[LAUGHTER] AGAIN, IT COMES BACK TO HOW THEY RUN THEIR BUSINESSES, THAT HOW THEY RUN THEIR CITIES.
EACH CITY DOES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.
WE'RE ALL PAID DIFFERENTLY, WE'RE ALL STAFF ARE OUR UNITS DIFFERENTLY.
THINGS ARE DIFFERENT SO THAT'S THE ONLY ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU IS THAT THEY OPERATE THE BUSINESS DIFFERENT, SAY, IN DEERFIELD THAN WE DO IN TAMARAC AND THAT'S A BSO CITY.
>> I'M JUST TALKING BASED ON THE DATA WHICH CAN BE QUANTIFIED.
WE CAN QUANTIFY A LIFE, I AGREE.
THAT GETTING THERE FASTER, HAVING A LADDER, THOSE THINGS CAN BE QUANTIFIED.
THERE'S NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR THAT.
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BUT LOOKING AT THIS, THE BSO CITIES, EVERYONE EXCEPT WESTON, IT'S CHEAPER AND THAT'S COST PER RESIDENTS, THAT CAN BE QUANTIFIED, THAT'S QUANTIFIED IN YOUR POCKET.I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE WE GOT FLACKED FOR DOING THIS BSO ASSESSMENT TRYING TO SEE IF IT COSTS LESS AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT DATA AND HAVE THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND SO THAT WE CAN GET AN OVERALL VIEW AND FOR US AS WELL, WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION.
THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST ASKING THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THESE FEES AND I GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE BSO CITIES AND MANY OF THEM, MOST OF THEM ARE A LOT CHEAPER IN TERMS OF THE COST PER RESIDENT.
>> AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR COLLECTIONS RATES ARE FOR EMS, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR MILITARY RATE IS.
WE DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT IN THEIR INSPECTION FEES.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THE BUDGET, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE COLLECTING, BOTTOM LINE TO SAY, MATCH THIS UP AND SAY, THIS IS A PERFECT COMPARISON.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S JUST DONE DEFINITELY.
I'M SURE THAT FINANCE COULD SHARE THAT INFORMATION MORE CLEARLY THAT EACH CITY DOES THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TO MAKE THE PI 100 PERCENT.
>> YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT REALLY AN APPLES-TO-APPLES BECAUSE IN WESTON, SAY THE TAX PAYS A LOT OF MILLION-DOLLAR HOMES COMPARED TO TAMARAC.
AN EXAMPLE LIKE COOPER CITY, THEY HAVE MORE VALUABLE HOMES.
>> THE DEERFIELD THEY HAVE BEACH ARMS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY HAVE MILLIONAIRES ROLL ALONG THAT WAY WHERE YOU HAVE MICHAEL DELL, SO YOU HAVE 20, $30 MILLION HOMES.
>> THOSE THINGS AS WELL GO INTO THE ASSESSMENT PIECE.
JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION AND UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THIS WHOLE ISSUE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN BSO IS A HUGE DECISION SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL THE DATA AND THE RESIDENTS ARE UNDERSTANDING IT.
APPLES TO APPLES AND NOT JUST BASED ON EMOTIONS.
>> IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
THE ASSESSMENT FEE IS BASED ON THE TOTAL BUDGET, AVERAGE FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE BUDGET OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, HOW TO OPERATE THE FIRE PORTION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE ASSESSMENT FEES IS DIFFERENT FROM CITY TO CITY.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SOME CITIES SUBSIDIZE MORE OUT OF THEIR GENERAL FUND, THE ASSESSMENT FEE, SO THAT INSTEAD OF PASSING ON THE ASSESSMENT FEE TO LOOK TO THE COMMUNITY AT 95 PERCENT OR 85 PERCENT THAT WE'RE DOING, THEY MAY BE PASSING THAT AT 60 PERCENT AND SUBSIDIZING THE REST OF IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE BANDWIDTH IN THEIR GENERAL FUND TO PAY FOR THOSE.
>> VICE MAYOR, YOU'RE WISHING TO SPEAK AGAINST THAT? FALL BACK OVER, GO AHEAD.
>> JOHN FRAZIER, MY NEW FAVORITE.
>> JUST LETTING THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG.
>> JOHN, HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN WITH [OVERLAPPING]
>> ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF, COME ON UP, AND HERE'S YOUR MIC.
>> TWENTY-TWO YEARS AND WE HELP BSO.
>> THE CREDENTIAL MANAGER IS A FRIEND OF MINE, SHE'S ALSO IN CHARGE OF ISO SO WE DO EACH OTHER FAVORS.
>> YOU HELP THEM. THEN, IF TAMARAC WOULD SWITCH TO BE BSO, YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO HELP BSO AND TAMARAC, THE ISO RATING BECAUSE YOU ARE THAT KIND-HEARTED PERSON?
>> ASSISTANT CHIEF, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>> WE ARE SOLDIERS, WE DO WHAT WE'RE TOLD TO DO.
THAT'S BASICALLY, I ANSWER TO THE CHIEF, HE SAYS, DO AND I DO IT.
>> THIS IS NOT A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT.
THIS IS FRIENDLY CONVERSATION THAT I'M HAVING WITH MY NEW BEST FRIEND.
>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR COMING UP AND BEING A GOOD SPORT.
I APPRECIATE YOU. YOU CAN GIVE THE CAPTAIN THE MIKE BACK NOW.
>> THE CHIEF. CHIEF, WHY DO YOU PROPOSE THAT WE RAISE THE FEES ON RESIDENTS ON THE HEELS OF COVID, ON THE HEELS OF EVERYTHING GOING UP,
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WHY RAISE FEES NOW?>> WE DIDN'T DURING COVID, WE AVOIDED THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE WERE GOING TO, AND WE FELT AS THOUGH AT THE TIME NATURALLY THAT IT WAS A BAD TIME TO DO IT AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT THE YEAR AFTER THAT, AND WE HELD OFF TO NOW ONLY BECAUSE THE COSTS I MEAN, JUST FRANKLY, THE COST OF EVERYTHING AS I'M SURE YOU'RE FULLY AWARE, HAS GONE UP AND EVERYTHING IS DOUBLED IN COST.
GOING BACK TO THE FIRE TRUCKS WOULD EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU THEN.
THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT THE FIRE ENGINE WAS $550,000, NOW IT'S ALMOST $900,000.
EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP EXPONENTIALLY AND IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, THE 71,000, WE NEED TO HELP FUND IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS ABLE TO CONTINUE ON AND IT'S SUSTAINABLE.
WHETHER OR NOT YOU GO FOR BSL OR NOT, THE FACT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST WHAT IT IS.
IT'S A SERVICE THAT REQUIRES MONEY TO MAKE IT MOVE.
>> THE CONSULTANT ALLUDED TO SOME OF THESE CITIES ARE CHEAPER OR LOOKS CHEAPER BECAUSE SOME OF THE COST IS ABSORBED IN THE GENERAL FUND.
CHRISTINE, WHY HAVE WE NOT LOOKED AT THAT MODEL INSTEAD OF RAISING THE OUTRIGHT?
>> BECAUSE BRILLIANTLY, THE GENERAL FUND IS IN TERMS OF PROPERTY TAX AND BEING ABLE TO MEET ONGOING REVENUE WITH ONGOING EXPENDITURE, WE ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING ALL OF THAT JUST ON THE ONGOING EXPENDITURES THAT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IF, WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY WHICH WE SUPPORT THE FIRE FUND, THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK FOR WAYS OF INCREASING THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE AND THAT'S USUALLY THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES AND WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME TO INCREASE THAT MILLAGE RATE TOO.
>> SO RIGHT NOW THE GENERAL FUND CANNOT HANDLE IT, YOU'RE SAYING?
>> IF THE GENERAL FUND HANDLED IT, YOU'D HAVE TO INCREASE TAXES?
>> EVERYTHING IS GOING UP ACCORDINGLY TO CHIEF ANNESE.
DO WE THINK THAT FIRE SERVICES WILL GO UP EVERY YEAR FROM NOW?
>> HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK? WHAT'S THE PROJECTED NUMBERS?
>> WELL, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET THAT WAS UTILIZED FOR THIS STUDY, WE USED FIVE PERCENT, WHICH REALLY IS A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER, BUT WE USE FIVE PERCENT AS THE RATE BY WHICH BOTH REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE WOULD INCREASE.
>> HOW MUCH DO WE PAY THE FIRE SERVICES NOW?
>> OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR SO MANAGER, DO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS?
>> I JUST HAVE THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED NUMBER AND WE DO I HAVE SEEN SOME PROJECTIONS FOR '25 AND '26.
I BELIEVE IN '26 WE'RE PROJECTING THAT NUMBER TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND $36 MILLION.
>> BUT IT'S BOTH FIRE AND EMS.
>> FINE, 36 MILLION FROM WHAT NOW?
>> A FIVE MILLION DOLLAR INCREASE. PRETTY MUCH?
>> YES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PREDICTING.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT GENERAL FUND CANNOT HANDLE AN INCREASE NOW.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BE MILLAGE RATE OR FIRE ASSESSMENT, IF IT GOES UP TO 36 MILLION, IT MEANS THAT THIS NUMBER THAT WE'RE CHANGING THIS YEAR WILL PROBABLY BE CHANGING A LOT MORE OVER THE NEXT YEARS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED IN COST.
>> CURRENTLY, THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTS THE FIRE FUND TO THE TUNE OF 6.8 MILLION.
WE'RE DOING 6.9 MILLION FOR 2024.
THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF TRANSPORT IN THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S THE AMOUNT BY WHICH THE GENERAL FUND CURRENTLY SUPPORTS THE FIRE FUND.
IT COMES FULL CIRCLE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE SPENDING IN FIRE SERVICES,
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UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE GO TO VIA SOUL, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER WOULD STILL ENJOY, PROBABLY, AND WILL STILL ENJOY THE ISO RATINGS THAT THEY HAVE AND ALL OF THE ADDED APPARATUS THAT THEY MAY COME WITH.FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE A DEAL IF IT'S CHEAPER.
>> THAT WE DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE.
>> BUT IF IT'S CHEAPER FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION EITHER.
>> I UNDERSTAND BUT AS MANY TIMES PEOPLE JUST ANSWER YOU BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE TO ANSWER YOU THE WAY THEY WANT, YOU WANT THEM TO ANSWER.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, ANYTHING THAT YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE ANSWERING.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANYTHING THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE IN ANSWERING? EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A CITY THAT DOES NOT OPERATE IN A VACUUM.
THIS IS A CITY THAT IS TRANSPARENT, IT IS A CITY THAT HAS A FINANCE DEPARTMENT THAT IS AWARD-WINNING, THIS IS A CITY THAT HAS PERSONNEL THAT HAS GONE TO IVY LEAGUE INSTITUTIONS.
THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUT IN.
NOBODY HAS SAID THAT THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE IN ANSWERING.
CHRISTINE IS VERY POISED, VERY INTELLIGENT, SMILING AS SHE'S ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.
OBVIOUSLY, SHE IS NOT UNCOMFORTABLE, SO THIS NARRATIVE THAT A COMMISSIONER OR THIS COMMISSION HAS ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS OF STAFF IS REALLY GETTING OLD.
STAFF IS HERE TO PROVIDE US THE RIGHT INFORMATION, ACCURATE INFORMATION.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION, THEY SIMPLY SAY TO US, I DO NOT HAVE IT NOW.
CHIEF ANNESE, I ASKED YOU A QUESTION EARLIER, YOU DID NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO IT.
YOU SAID, I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
>> SIMPLE. THREE MINUTES OF MY COMMENTARY AND SOMEBODY ELSE TAKES ONE HOUR OR A MORNING AND IT'S SUDDENLY A PROBLEM.
I LIKE YOUR PINK NAILS, BY THE WAY.
SO COME ON, LET US ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND LET US MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE HERE TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS AND GET THEM THE ANSWERS THAT THEY NEED, SIMPLE.
NOT SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO SUGARCOAT AND BABYSIT EVERY STAFF MEMBER WHEN THEY FEEL AS IF THE STAFF IS UNCOMFORTABLE.
ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE'RE GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ELECTED TO DO, RIGHT MY FRIEND, CHIEF ANNESE?
>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK I CAN JUST SAY IT.
>> WHILE WE'RE AT IT, WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
ARE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE ASKING- ANSWERING THAT QUESTION?
>> NO, I'M NOT UNCOMFORTABLE AT ALL.
>> NO, WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP, WE COMMUNICATE, WE LAUGH WITH EACH OTHER, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ALL ABOUT AND WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS ALL ABOUT. WE DO THAT.
>> SO THE NARRATIVE OF SOMEBODY BOLTON IS AGAINST FIRE.
YOU SAID IT TO ME SO I SAY TO YOU.
>> I WOULD SAY ONE OTHER THING.
>> COMMISSIONER, YOU MENTIONED.
>> THANK YOU. YOU'RE NOT WRONG IN SAYING THAT IF BSO CHEAPER.
BUT WITH THAT YOU LOSE CONTROL OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND PERSONNEL AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN IT OTHER THAN JUST A DOLLAR FIGURE, WHICH YOU ARE AWARE OF.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, CHIEF ANNESE.
BUT WHILE I ALSO HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU, I'VE DROPPED THE EARS, I'VE CULTIVATED A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH A LOT OF YOUR FIREFIGHTERS, UNLIKE POPULAR BELIEF.
LET ME TELL YOU, A LOT OF THEM HAVE SAID TO ME PRIVATELY THAT THEY WOULD LOVE THE IDEA OF MOVING TO BE A SOUL BECAUSE IT'S A BIGGER DEPARTMENT AND THEY FEEL THAT THEY WOULD BE PROMOTED EVEN BETTER.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SAME OPINION, EVA.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE GONE COMPLETELY OFF THE AGENDA AND THEREFORE I CAN ROLL IT BACK.
THIS QUESTION IS NOT GOING TO BE HEARD RIGHT NOW.
>> ROLLING BACK, CHIEF ANNESE, OBVIOUSLY FIREFIGHTERS LOVE FOR BOLTON IS A HOT TOPIC.
ROLLING THIS BACK YOU HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY OF TAMARAC FOR HOW LONG?
>> TWENTY-FIVE YEARS. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
>> LITTLE OVER A YEAR OR SO, YEAR IN CHANGE.
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HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN IN OPERATION?I DON'T WORK WITH THEM, SO MANY YEARS.
>> MANY YEARS. DO THEY PRECEDE THE TIME WHEN WE PURCHASED THE LAND FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT?
>> WE PURCHASED LAND FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN? WHAT YEAR?
>> I'M NOT SURE WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT.
>> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE IN THE REGION IN 2015.
>> 2015. WHEN DID WE BUILD IT?
>> WE WENT INTO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF '21, SO WE WERE BUILDING IT OVER 2021.
>> ISO HAS BEEN IN OPERATION BEFORE WE BUILT THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT?
YOU'VE BEEN HERE TO 25 YEARS SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES INTO THE ISO RATING, YES?
>> FOR THIS TIME THAT YOU WERE BUILDING THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT 36, YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE A FIRE TRUCK FOR SOME TIME.
>> WELL, THE PLAN WENT INTO PLACE BACK IN 2015 TO BUILD IT. SURE.
>> YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT WITHOUT A FIRE TRUCK, THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR FIRE RATING?
>> WELL, IT WASN'T A FAN OF LIKE THAT.
WE WERE BUILDING A STATION WITH ANTICIPATING OF PUTTING [OVERLAPPING]
>> A FIRE TRUCKS IN IT. SORRY?
>> WE COULD THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THAT.
>> YOU COULD, BUT IT WAS ANTICIPATED TO STAFF.
>> WE COULD ALSO THINK THAT KNOWINGLY, WE BUILT A FIRE DEPARTMENT WITHOUT A FIRE TRUCK, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE ISO RATING.
YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS, UNDERSTANDING HOW ISO WORKS AND YOU ARE SO MUCH OF A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL.
YOU UNDERSTAND THEN THAT THE ISO RATING WOULD HAVE BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, WE HAD A FIRE DEPARTMENT WITHOUT A FIRE TRUCK.
SO THEN THIS IS NOT ABOUT ISO RATING.
THIS IS ABOUT SAVING LIVES, WHERE IT SHOULD BE ABOUT SAVING LIVES, AND SAVING PROPERTY THAT I GET BEHIND.
YES, WE RAN ON PUBLIC SAFETY, I THINK WE ALL HAVE.
PERHAPS SOME OF YOU POUTING COMMISSIONERS HERE, I WROTE THEIR PLATFORM TO.
YOU REMEMBER IT WAS [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE RAN ON PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THAT PLATFORM OF PUBLIC SAFETY, I WROTE.
SO I'M VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
BUT WHAT WE'RE ALSO VERY MUCH WELL AWARE OF AND LOVE IS FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH I ALSO WROTE.
FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
IT IS MY JOB AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO BALANCE THE TWO.
RIGHT NOW, I'M A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SUPPORTING AN INCREASE OF FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE STRUGGLING.
I'M VERY COMFORTABLE IN FINDING SOLUTIONS TO BENEFIT PUBLIC SAFETY AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
THAT IS SOMETHING THROUGH OUR WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT OFFLINE, IN-PERSON, TRY TO MASSAGE IT, FEEL.
>> YOU'RE ON PUBLIC PLACE RIGHT NOW SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK THEM PUBLICLY.
>> THIS IS NOT A SHADE SESSION.
>> CHIEF ANNESE, COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS SAID THAT WE SHOULD DO RESEARCH SO THAT WHEN WE COME TO CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS, WE DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN MAKING NARRATIVES AND ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
WITH THAT ADVICE FROM ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, I WILL SPEAK TO YOU OFF THE RECORD.
WE WILL FIGURE OUT SOME WAYS HOW WE COULD MAKE SOME COST SAVINGS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
IF THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION YOU HAVE AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, THEN I WILL COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS AT THAT TIME.
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THESE BUDGET PROCEEDINGS WITH WHAT'S RESIDENTS ARE GOING THROUGH NOW, I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH RAISING FEES.IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. IT'S NOT ABOUT FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S ALSO ABOUT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INDULGENCE AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET A FEW WORDS OUT.
>> MAY I? THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.
ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE IS THAT BASED ON TODAY'S NUMBERS, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT EITHER THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT FEE OR THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND IS ALREADY SUPPORTING THE FIRE OPERATION TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $6.8 MILLION.
SO IF WE DON'T RAISE THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE, WE SIMPLY HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
PLEASE MAKE SURE EVERY COMMON WORDING THAT WE'RE SAYING, THE NOMENCLATURE, NEEDS TO BE CLEAR AND UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYBODY BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL FUND TO MEAN TAXES.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. SOME OF US CAN FOREGO OUR CURRENT LAW AND SAY IF YOU THINK THAT RAISING FEES IS AN ISSUE, YOU HAVE SHAKER VILLAGE IS $9 MILLION PLUS ANNUAL EXPENSES THAT ARE GONE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE CAN SAY AND THEN LEAVE BEING SO DISRESPECTFUL EVERY TIME THAT I SPEAK.
IT'S SO EASY TO SAY, YOU CUT YOUR BUDGET, BUT I WON'T CUT MINE.
IT'S EASY TO SAY, I'M GOING TO GO AND DO THIS AND DO THAT, BUT I WON'T DO IT.
IT'S VERY EASY TO DELEGATE AND SAY GO KILL THAT PERSON BECAUSE I'M THE GENERAL HERE, BUT I WON'T GO AND LEAVE MY TROOPS INTO BATTLE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
FOR ANYONE USING THE WORD COVID AS AN EXCUSE FOR ANYTHING THESE DAYS, IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
COVID DOES NOT PRECLUDE ANYTHING THAT SHOULD STOP ANYTHING FROM ANYTHING.
IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE HOW WE CAN CONTINUE USING THE WORD COVID TO SAY WE CANNOT DO THAT OR THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF COVID OR AFTER COVID.
COVID IS LONG GONE. WE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT SPENDING IS DEBT, THAT'S INCOME, THAT'S A REVENUE.
THAT'S OUR ISSUE, NOT COVID, NOT A VIRUS.
FOR THE RECORD, JUST FOR COMMON PURPOSES, I WENT THROUGH ALL THESE PAGES YESTERDAY WHEN I GOT IT AND TODAY WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP MY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK AGAIN?
>> I GOT LOST IN ALL THIS STUFF.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. WE ARE RAISING THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE.
IF WE DON'T INCLUDE THIS, THEN COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE TAXES. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THAT'S THE OPTION, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE MILEAGE.
THE MILEAGE RATE WILL HAVE TO BE HIGHER, JUST TO UNDERSTAND IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. WE'RE SAYING YES BECAUSE THE RULE IS YOU CAN'T USE YOUR SAVINGS, THE FUND, YOUR ONGOING EXPENDITURES.
RIGHT NOW, OUR ONGOING EXPENDITURES IS ALL THOSE MATCHING OUR ONGOING REVENUE, AND WE'RE USING SAVINGS TO PAY FOR OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND SO ON.
IF WE ARE TO FUND ANOTHER $2 MILLION TO SUPPORT THE FIRE FIRM, THEN WE NEED TO SEEK A SOURCE OF REVENUE, ONE THAT WE CONTROL AND THAT WOULD BE ONE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT A LOWER MILEAGE RATE ON ONE END AND THEN NO FIRE ASSESSMENT FOR YOU ON THE OTHER END BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO HAND IN HAND.
BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO GET A LOWER MILEAGE RATE, THEN YOU CAN HAVE A LOWER FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE BECAUSE YOU'D BE DEPENDENT ON RAISING TAXES ON THAT END.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, JUST SO RESIDENTS CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE GET CAUGHT UP IN THIS CONVERSATION AND WE LOSE TRACK OF WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON.
>> THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE IS NEEDED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HIGHER MILEAGE RATE, JUST IN LAYMAN'S TERM, JUST TO UNDERSTAND.
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>> JUST IN LAYMAN TERM, JUST SUPPORT THE FIRE SERVICES BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE AMOUNT WE'RE COLLECTING, THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES, DOES NOT COVER THE COST OF FIRE SERVICES.
EVEN IN ESTABLISHING THIS NEW RATE PATH, IT'S ONLY COVERING 93.65 PERCENT OF THE COST OF FIRE SERVICES, NOT 100 PERCENT.
>> I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE SOMETIMES I GET DISTRACTED WITH ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS AND I JUST WANT THE RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL.
THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION OF WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS SAYING AND WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID EARLIER.
HE SPOKE ABOUT CUTTING THE MILEAGE RATE, BUT NOW I THINK HE'S NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE FIRE ASSESSMENT RATE.
BUT IF HE'S NOT IN SUPPORT OF THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND VISIT THE MILEAGE RATE.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, IS THAT HOW IT WOULD WORK?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. IT NEEDS TO BE MADE UP SOMEHOW AND THE ONLY REVENUE SOURCE FOR THAT IS GENERAL FUND WHICH HAS THE PROPERTY TAXES.
>> THE FIRE ASSESSMENT RATE IS AN INCREASE OF SEVEN DOLLARS PERSON OR WILL BE 70 PER HOUSEHOLD PER?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. I'M SORRY, YEAR.
>> I'M GOING TO SAY SEVEN DOLLARS A YEAR.
>> IN ESSENCE, PEOPLE WILL BE TAKING $70 A YEAR OUT OF THEIR POCKET TO SUPPORT THIS ASSESSMENT FEE.
>> ON THE OTHER END, ON THE MILEAGE RATE, I THINK IT WAS $42 IF WE STAY AT SEVEN.
AND IF WE GO TO THE 6.335, I THINK YOU'LL GET BACK 110.
WAS THAT THE NUMBER THAT YOU HAD? I THINK I'VE WRITTEN IT DOWN.
>> HUNDRED AND ONE, HUNDRED AND TWO.
I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION THAT IF YOU CUT THE MILITARY, YOU WILL GET $101 IN YOUR POCKET.
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING IN TERMS OF THE MILITARY THAT CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET THAT WAS PLACED BEFORE YOU WASN'T BUILT ON THAT 7.0 MILITARY.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO REDUCE SERVICES AND THE LARGER AMOUNT LIKE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT SIGNIFICANT COST MAYBE OR SOME AREAS LIKE THAT.
BUT IT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CUTS IF WE GO ROLLBACK RATE.
>>THAT WOULD BE A LOSS OR GIVING UP REVENUE OF $3.5 MILLION.
IT WOULD GO TO THE GENERAL FORM.
BY AS A RESULT OF THE INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE, THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE 3.5 MILLION AT 7.0.
BUT IF YOU CUT THAT BACK TO THE ROLLBACK RATE, YOU LOSE ALL THAT MONEY PLUS THE 39,000 ROLLBACK RATE IS GENARATING LESS THAN WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED NOW.
>> WHICH I UNDERSTAND. BUT THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THAT $70 FOR ASSESSMENT FEE.
YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO PAY. THAT COMES OKAY. YOUR POCKET NO MATTER WHAT.
>> PROVIDED THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVES THAT?
>> BECAUSE THAT BUDGET FOR THE FIRE SERVICES, THAT $31 MILLION BUDGET IS ALSO BUILT BASED ON A $420.
>> THE FIRE OR EVEN IF WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS, YOU STILL HAVE TO DIP INTO THE GENERAL THOUGHTS.
YOU'RE TAKING MONEY FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE AND YOU'RE TAKING [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY PRESENTLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DO HAVE A SMART PHONE BONE, BUT WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO BE REPEATED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
>> FOR THIS YEAR, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN DIP INTO THAT FUND BALANCE AND STILL SAVE RESIDENTS $70 IN THEIR POCKET?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT'S ALMOST LIKE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
I DID FIND OUT THAT WE BOUGHT THE LAND IN 2014.
WE WERE DUE TO REEVALUATE THE FIRE ASSESSMENT IN 2020.
WE HAD AN AGREEMENT IT WAS STARTED.
WE HAD SOME NUMBERS, BUT COVID HAPPENED.
IT WAS JUST NOT THE TIME TO DO IT.
WE THOUGHT ABOUT REVISITING THAT AGAIN LAST YEAR, WHICH WE DID.
WE DISCUSSED IT. AGAIN IT WAS NOT THE TIME TO DO IT.
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COSTS ARE ALSO ARISING.IN THE BEGINNING, THE PLAN WAS ALWAYS TO HAVE A FIRE TRUCK AT 5-6, THAT'S WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
HOWEVER, AS WE WENT ALONG, WE'RE LOOKING AT COSTS.
THAT WAS ALSO KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE IN OUR INTERESTS NOT TO FURTHER DELAY, BUT TO HAVE SOME INCREASE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY OR 20, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE TO REVISIT IT SO THAT WE CAN COVER COSTS EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE IN THE FARM.
>> I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE TWO OF US ARE NEW AND WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET, AND SOMETIMES WE GET OFF TRACK TALKING ABOUT OTHER STUFF.
I JUST WANT TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING IN GETTING THE NUMBERS, RIGHT AND BALANCING THE PUBLIC GOOD AND STUFF THAT CAN BE QUANTIFIED.
I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON ALL THAT STUFF AND JUST UNDERSTANDING FOR MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER DANIEL'S AS WELL BECAUSE WE WERE NEW AND THIS IS A FORCE BUDGET SESSION.
WE'LL UNDERSTANDING THE PROTOCOL AND WHAT THE FOCUS IS ON.
THOSE ARE JUST TWO QUESTIONS THAT I HAD AND THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
>> YES, THANK YOU. I DIDN'T MEAN TO FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
REMEMBER AN ORIENTATION, I SAID I WANT A FULL UNDERSTANDING, SO I MADE SURE I MAY FULLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ONE-ON-ONE, SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND I STATED BEFORE IT EITHER WAY, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT INCREASE IN THE FIRE COSTS, THE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE TO PAY OR SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO BE CUT.
EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO PAY BACK THE MILLAGE, ARE THEY GOING TO PAY BY THE ASSESSMENT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL, IT'S A TAX BILL REGARDLESS OF WHAT CATEGORY YOU PUT IT IN.
THIS JUST MAKES IT CLEAR THAT $420 OR WHATEVER IT A COMMISSIONER AGREES TO IS FOR FINE.
BUT IT'S INCREASING OUR TAXES THAT WE CONTINUOUSLY SEE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I HATE TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS, $200,000 AVERAGE HOUSES, BUT IT'S NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE AVERAGE PERSON IS INCREASE IS MORE THAN JUST SAYING, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME EXEMPTION NOW YOU LIVE IN A 55 OR OLDER OR SO OLDER CONDUCT, BUT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS, I FIND IT HARD TO FIND A $200,000 HOME IN TAMARAC.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT [OVERLAPPING]
VICE MAYOR HAD FIRST, THEN YOU HAVE YOURS AND THEN I'M GOING TO SPEAK.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. DR. DANIEL SAID IT RIGHT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOUSES THAT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, THEY SEE A LARGER INCREASE.
I THINK WITH THIS FIRE ASSESSMENT, THE $70 MORE, WE'LL HIT HARD THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE CONDOS, 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITIES, THESE LESS EXPENSIVE ARE UNITS.
WHEN THEY SEE A JUMP, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO START REALIZING AN INCREASE.
IF WE LOWER THE MILLAGE RATE OR INCREASED THE MILLAGE RATE THERE, THE LAST TWO FEEL THE BRUNT OF WHAT WE DO.
NOT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, BUT GRABBING THE CAN BY THE LEAD AND RAISING JUST GOT TO LOVE THEM AND RAISING BY $70 THIS YEAR.
THEN REMEMBER IT FIRES SERVICES GO UP NEXT YEAR.
THOSE CONDOS THIS POINT, BERMUDA CLUB, LIKES OF CARRIAGE HILLS.
WHEN WE'RE NO LONGER HERE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, MORE MONEY.
ALL I'M SAYING IS IT GOES UP WHETHER NEXT YEAR OR FIVE YEARS, IT'S GOING TO GO UP.
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NOW, HERE'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM, WHERE MILLAGE RATE IS.I DID NOT SAY COMMISSIONER RAY DID NOT SAY THAT WE SHOULD REDUCE MILLAGE RATE OR INCREASED MILITARY?
>> NO. I WAS JUST SAYING A HYPOTHETICAL.
>> REALLY PLEASED. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CALLING YOU OUT ON IT.
>> LISTEN. COMMISSIONER, RIGHT.
THIS IS NOT A CONTENTIOUS MOMENT.
AGAIN, CHRISTINE, MAYBE I SHOULD CALL YOUR NAME.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT WE WOULD REDUCE MILEAGE RATE OR INCREASED MILLAGE RATES.
WHAT I SAID IS, YOU SHOULD GIVE US ALL OF THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION ON THE BEST DECISION.
YOU SAID THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS, I CAME BACK BY SAYING WHILE YOU'D NEED TO GIVE US ALL THE INFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
NOTHING ABOUT RAISING TAXES OR LOWERING TAXES.
BUT I DID ASK ABOUT THE SEVEN MILS THAT WE HAVE.
THEN I ASKED IF WE GO TO THE 7.196 RATE, HOW MUCH MORE WOULD THE RESIDENTS IN THE AVERAGE HOME PAGE? THE ANSWER WAS $40 OR $45.
HOW MUCH MORE MONEY ARE WE GETTING? 4.6 MILLION.
CHIEF, IF WE RAISE THE VIRUS HAS MEANT TO $420.
HOW MUCH MORE REVENUE DO YOU GET IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT?
>> SHE HAS THE FIGURES HOLD ON.
WE RAISE MILLAGE RATE TO 7.196.
>> WAIT, LET'S MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT.
>> YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING THAT YOU'RE PLAYING WITH YOUR NUMBERS.
>> COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, HOLD ON A SECOND.
>> IT'S NOT HIS $42, IT'S THE AVERAGE MEDIAN FOR THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD, $42.88.
>> IF THE MAYOR WAS A CAR, STRIFE WOULD BE TO FUEL THAT CAR, $32 PLUS 40.
>> STRIFE AND CONTENTION IS YOUR FUEL, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.
>> IT'S NOT A REBUTTAL. THIRTY-TWO DOLLARS PLUS FORTY.
>> PLEASE DON'T TRY TO ATTEMPT TO CRITICIZE ME.
>> YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT ALL MORNING TO ME.
I HEARD THAT UM-HUH FROM THE AUDIENCE, THAT MEANS THEY AGREE.
>> SO GIVE ME THE RIGHT NUMBER, 42+32 IS?
>> SEVENTY-FOUR. SO RAISING TAXES TO 7.196 MILLS.
THE INCREASE IN THE RESIDENCE POCKET IS $74, BUT WE GET 4.6 MILLION.
WE COLLECT 38.966 AND 7.19, WE COLLECT 40 MILLION, 72,000.
>> HOW MUCH MORE DO WE GET AT 7.196 MILLS?
>> THERE WE GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> IS IT FROM THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET, YES.
>> THAT'S FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET LAST FALL?
>> FOR THE FIRST TIME, JEFF, WE'RE AGREEING.
>> SO 7.196 MILLS GIVES US $4.6 MILLION MORE IN OUR GENERAL FUND, CORRECT?
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>> OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE A $74 INCREASE ON THE RESIDENCE, CORRECT?
>> I'M NOT ASKING IF YOU NEED MY HELP.
>> ALL RIGHT. FROM $350 TO $420 IN FIRE ASSESSMENT, THE RESIDENTS ARE PAYING $70 MORE, CORRECT?
>> THE FIRE CHIEF SAID THAT WOULD GIVE THEM A REVENUE OF $2.7 MILLION.
>> MORE. CORRECT. SO $74 VERSUS $70 IS AN INCREASE.
WITH A $74 INCREASE ON THE MILLAGE RATE SIDE, WE'RE GETTING $4.6 MILLION, AND A $70 INCREASE ON THE FIRE ASSESSMENT SIDE, WE'RE GETTING $2.7 MILLION.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT FOUR DOLLARS MORE PER YEAR GIVES THE CITY TWO MILLION DOLLARS MORE TO BUY APPARATUS OR TO SAVE OVER 10 YEARS, OR OVER FIVE YEARS.
OVER FIVE YEARS, THAT'S A $10 MILLION INCREASE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MILLAGE RATE AND FIRE ASSESSMENT.
I'M SAYING, LET US LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, LET US LOOK AT ALL SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT EACH AT AN ISOLATED LEVEL, IS ALL I'M SAYING.
THAT IS WHAT GOOD LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT.
THOUGHT LEADERS LOOK AT SOLUTIONS WITHOUT GETTING MAD OR PETTY. ALL I'M SAYING.
NOW, ARE YOU DONE SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION VERSUS YOU STATING THAT THIS IS FACT? THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO EXPRESS REGARDING THE NUMBERS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
>> CHRISTINE, DO YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE NUMBERS THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT?
>> AT SEVEN MILLS WE'RE GETTING $3.5 MILLION MORE, WHICH IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE BUDGET.
>> AT SEVEN MILLS WE'RE GETTING $3.5 MILLION MORE THAT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO THE BUDGET.
SO AT 7.1986, WE'RE GETTING 4.609.
SO IF YOU'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLE, YOU HAVE TO JUST TAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
IT WOULD BE 1.1 MILLION MORE IF WE GO TO 7.1986.
>> YOU'RE NOW NOT HIS FAVORITE PERSON.
>> YOU WILL ALWAYS BE MY FAVORITE PERSON, CHRISTINE, AND YOU KNOW WHO WILL ALWAYS BE MY LEAST FAVORITE.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO GUESS. CHRISTINE.
>> THE ONLY THING I LIKE TODAY IS THOSE PINK NAILS.
MIGHT BUY IT FOR MY WIFE WHEN I GO HOME. CHRISTINE.
>> IF WE'RE GETTING $3.5 MILLION MORE, [BACKGROUND]
>> NO, PLEASE DON'T. VICE MAYOR, [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF WE'RE GETTING $3.5 MILLION MORE, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, THAT THE PRICE OF THINGS INCREASE AND THAT SORT OF STUFF; CPI AND ALL THE ACRONYMS THAT YOU THROW OUT EVERY YEAR.
AS PROPERTY VALUES GO UP, THE IDEA IS MILLAGE RATE SHOULD BE DIALED BACK IF WE LIVE BELOW OUR MEANS.
WHAT I'VE SAID EVERY YEAR, INSTEAD OF SPENDING, SPENDING, SPENDING, ADDING, ADDING, ADDING, LET US LOOK AT OUR SPENDING, LET US STEP BACK, LET'S FIGURE OUT OUR BUDGET AND TELL OURSELVES WE CAN AFFORD IT.
WHEN MY SON SAYS DADDY I WANT A LEGO SET BECAUSE I WANT TO BUILD CARS, I TELL HIM, SON, I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE LEGO SET TODAY BECAUSE THE BUDGET DOES NOT ALLOW A LEGO SET.
WHAT WE DO ON A YEARLY BASIS IS WE INCREASE EVERY DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET,
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THE CITY COMMISSION STILL GETS $700.>> WE SPEND ALL THIS MONEY AND THEN WE SAY, OH WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE TAXES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH CPI, AND KEEP UP WITH THE TRENDS, AND KEEP UP WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT OUR BUDGET DEMANDS.
BUT WHEN DO WE SIT DOWN AND SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S ROLL BACK ON THIS, LET'S CUT THIS, LET'S LIVE BELOW OUR MEANS.
YOU KNOW, CHRISTINE, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MANY YEARS.
EVERY SINGLE YEAR, LIKE A SONG AND DANCE, LIKE A BROKEN RADIO, I ASK FOR THE SAME THING; LET US LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, LET'S SEE WAYS THAT WE CAN CUT, WE DON'T DO IT, AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE.
WITH THAT SAID, FIRE CHIEF, YOU KNOW THAT I LOVE YOU.
IF YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORD, THE CLERK WILL SEND YOU THE RECORD, I'M ASKING FOR THAT NOW.
EVERY SINGLE YEAR I HAVE SUPPORTED THE FIRE ASSESSMENT, NEVER ONCE VOTED NO ON FIRE ASSESSMENT.
WHEN I VOTE NO ON MILLAGE RATE, WHEN I VOTE NO ON ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, I'VE NEVER VOTED NO ON FIRE ASSESSMENT. YOU KNOW WHAT? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T QUANTIFY PUBLIC SAFETY.
I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOUR CAUSES, AND YOUR INITIATIVES. ALWAYS DONE THAT.
THAT IS A REQUEST FOR YOU, TO ME, TO HIM.
THE BEST TIME YOU'RE SAYING KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, AND YOU'VE KICKED IT SINCE 2014.
WHY NOT KICK IT ONE MORE YEAR? KICK A LITTLE FURTHER. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE PERHAPS THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT PSO.
LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, NOT AN ISOLATED PICTURE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MY DEAR. BLESS YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHAT'S THE CURRENT NATIONAL DEBT? DO YOU KNOW? OUR NATIONAL CURRENT DEBT.
>> THE NATIONAL DEBT IS $32 TRILLION FOR SOME OF US THAT DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ECONOMICS, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE CAN KEEPS GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
THE PAYMENTS ON THOSE DEBTS KEEPS INCREASING.
BILLIONS A DAY ARE PAID IN INTEREST RATES.
SAME WAY WE'RE PAYING THOUSANDS ON INTEREST RATES FOR JUST ONE PROJECT.
SO KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO HELP US, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE NEXT GENERATION, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE NEXT WAVE OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING IN, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT EVEN MORE THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE NOW BECAUSE THE COST OF INCREASE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO DOWN.
WHEN YOUR HOA, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY HERE LIVES IN HOA, MOST LIKELY, RAISES THEIR DUES.
TO REDUCE THOSE DUES DOES NOT HAPPEN.
THAT'S ONE THING ON KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
A QUESTION WAS RAISED FROM ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HERE ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES BEING 200 PLUS THOUSAND.
CHRISTINE, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT WE'RE NOT ASSESSING THE COST OF THE HOME, BUT THE COST THAT THE APPRAISER GIVES US FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES.
WE ARE TAXING ON ASSESSED VALUE NOT MARKET VALUE.
>> YES. IT'S UNTAXABLE VALUES.
>> JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CLARIFIED.
>> THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE CONFUSION ON THAT.
>> THE NEXT QUESTION IS [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M TELLING YOU ALL THIS STUFF.
>> I JUST DID AND I'M ASKING YOU AS WELL, PLEASE, GUYS, WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER ITEM TO GO.
NO, IT'S NOT. I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ALL TO PLEASE JUST KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF.
>> THERE IS A QUESTION RAISED ABOUT HOW THE FEES ARE ASSESSED.
WE ASSESS PROPERTY VALUES BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT FROM THE APPRAISER, NOT MARKET VALUE.
>> IT IS GOING TO GO UP SLOW DOWN SAFELY.
>> LET ME SHOW YOU DANIEL, DON'T SAY ALEX SAYS STUPID THINGS.
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>> EVERYBODY HAS HAD STUPID THINGS FROM THIS DAY IS, THEY'VE HAD SMART THINGS FROM THIS DAY IS.
BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND IF EVERYONE WOULD JUST SHUT UP AND LET THE OTHER PERSON SPEAK, WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
BUT WE MAKE PETTY LITTLE COMMENTS BACK-AND-FORTH AND WE ACT LIKE CHILDREN.
IT IS THREE O'CLOCK AND WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER ITEMS AGO AND WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THIS ONE.
NOBODY ELSE IS MAKING ANY COMMENTS UNDER THEIR BREATH FROM ANY OF US, SO WE CAN JUST PROCEED. THANK YOU.
>> YES. WE CAN LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE NUMBERS BELOW 420.
>> LASTLY, THIS COMMISSION FOUGHT TWICE TO GO WITH THE MILLAGE RATE.
LAST YEAR WAS A HUGE TOBACCO TO LOWER IT FROM 7.2 TO 7.0.
NOW, I'M NOT TALKING TO ANY OF YOU, I'M JUST PUTTING MY OPINION ON THIS.
TO GO BACK TO RAISING TAXES WE ARE EITHER RAISING TAXES WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE YOUR JOURNEY TO REDUCE THEIR PAY PAUL FROM PETER AND ROB, JAMES TO PAY THE OTHER ONE.
IT'S RIDICULOUS. CLEARLY, I THINK ONLY ONE OF US HERE HAS A DEGREE IN FINANCE.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS SIDE, I'M ON THIS SIDE.
FOR US TO RAISE THE MILLAGE RATES, IT'S RIDICULOUS.
TO LOWER EVEN MORE TO GO AHEAD AND INCREASE IT AT A LATER TIME WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO NEED TO INCREASE IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.
I WANT JUST TO PUT THAT PERSPECTIVE IN PLACE BECAUSE NEXT YEAR COMES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO BE LIKE.
EVERY STOCK IN THE STOCK MARKETS ARE VALID BY 200 PE RATIOS.
YOU'RE TALKING RIDICULOUS NUMBERS OUT THERE.
THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, $450 PER SQUARE FOOT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW I'M GOING TO START STUDYING PER SQUARE FOOT FOR $300 NOW.
THE PRINTING MACHINE IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT STOPPING.
THAT DEBT CEILING IS NOT GOING TO STOP, AND THAT DEBT CEILING IS EVERY YEAR.
THOSE 32 TRILLION IS GOING TO BE 35, 40 TRILLION VERSUS US DOING AN ASSESSMENT THAT'S EVERY FIVE-YEARS THAT SOME OF US WON'T EVEN SEE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR.
>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO BE THE LAST ONE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ON THIS.
AT THIS POINT, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF AND THERE ARE NOTES ALL OVER THE PLACE; SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO BEAR WITH ME.
YOU CAN ALL LORD ME ALL YOU WANT.
AS AN EXAMPLE THAT OUR RESIDENTS WILL UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY THOSE LIVING IN CONDOMINIUMS, THE CONDOMINIUMS WHO HAVE INCREASED THEIR ASSESSMENTS EVERY YEAR JUST BY A LITTLE TO HELP WITH THEIR RESERVES TO PAY THINGS, THEY'RE NOT HURTING AS BADLY WITH THE 40-YEAR REVIEWS THAT WE HAVE THESE SIGNIFICANT OF INTERESTS, INSURANCE RATES THAT ARE GOING UP RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE HAVING TO REPLACE THE ROOFS AND ALL THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE CAREFULLY AND PROPERLY PLAN.
SOME COMMUNITIES WHO ARE TOO AFRAID TO INCREASE THEIR ASSESSMENTS EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROBLEM OR BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO INCREASE IT ON THEIR FRIENDS AND IT'LL CAUSE THEM TO NOT LIKE THEM TO BE VOTED IN, TO BE ON THE BOARD AGAIN, THEY'RE HURTING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE HURTING A GREAT DEAL TO WHERE SOME OF OUR CONDOMINIUMS, THE ASSESSMENTS HAVE GONE UP 500 OR $600 A MONTH.
WHY I FEEL FOR ALL OF THEM, THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
IT IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO EITHER MAKE IT BETTER OR MAKE IT WORSE BECAUSE WE HAVE A CITY BUDGET TO TAKE CARE OF.
WE HAVE OUR CITY FINANCES TO TAKE CARE OF.
IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MANAGE THIS WELL-RUN, VERY EFFICIENT CITY.
WE HAVE, AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING AN AWARD-WINNING BUDGET TEAM, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.
OUR BIGGEST ASSET, OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR MOST EXPENSIVE ASSET, OUR EMPLOYEES.
I SAID THIS LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO WIND UP REDUCING OUR EMPLOYEES.
WE ARE A CITY OF NOW 72,000 PEOPLE.
WE HAVE BEEN AVERAGE AGE OF 48 FOR OVER 20 YEARS, DESPITE PEOPLE WANTING TO SO CALL US A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. WE ARE NOT.
WE HAPPEN TO HAVE GREAT PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO TO RETIRE,
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BUT WE ARE NOT A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES FOR 20 YEARS.
WE ARE LESS THAN THE 3.154 PEOPLE PER 1,000 WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
WHAT ABOUT 2.5, 2.8, WE'RE NOT THERE.
WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVING ENOUGH EMPLOYEES TO COVER THE SERVICES OF OUR CITY.
BELLY ACHE ABOUT PLAYING GAMES WITH A POINT HERE AND A POINT THERE, AND A FIRE RESCUE FEE THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED TO MAKE IT EASIER ON OUR RESONANCE BECAUSE I WAS HERE WHEN WE MADE IT A FIVE-YEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING THAT IT WENT UP $10 EVERY YEAR.
WE'LL MAKE IT SET FOR FIVE YEARS.
WE HAVE DISCOUNTS SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
YOU PAY IT, AND THEN PEOPLE WON'T COMPLAIN.
FOR THE MOST PART, PEOPLE AREN'T COMPLAINING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A FIRE RESCUE FEE.
THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR LIVES.
EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING GOING ON.
IF WE PLAY GAMES WITH THE MILLAGE RATE AND REDUCE THE ASSESSMENTS, WHAT IT WINDS UP MEANING TO OUR COMMUNITY IS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THOSE OF YOU WHO OWN A HIGHER VALUE PROPERTY AND ALL OF OUR INDUSTRIAL AND ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL, GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE PAYING A BIGGER BURDEN OF THIS.
WHEREAS THE REASON FOR THE FIRE ASSESSMENT BEING LEVEL FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE MEANS EVERY UNIT PAYS THE SAME AMOUNT AS EVERY OTHER ONE IN RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S BY SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND THE LIKE.
IT MAKES IT FAIR AND EVEN AND EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT FIRE SERVICE.
CREATIVE ACCOUNTING IS NOT WHAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC DOES, SMART BUDGETING IS WHAT IT DOES. I'M GLAD.
I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE SOMETHING JUST IN CASE YOU GOT LOST.
IF WE KEEP IT AT $7, AT TODAY'S VALUE IS $3.5 MILLION.
THAT $3.5 MILLION IS EXPENDED ON THE NEW EMPLOYEES, PRINT DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING WE HAVE IN HERE, EVERYTHING WE WENT THROUGH THIS MORNING AND SOME OF THE STUFF WE HAVEN'T FINISHED GOING THROUGH, IT IS NOT LIKE IT'S JUST $3.5 MILLION THAT WE CAN SWITCH IT ON OVER, INCREASE THE MILLAGE RATE TO 7.198, WE GET ANOTHER $1.1 MILLION.
THERE WE GO. WE'RE PAYING OFF WHATEVER WE NEED FOR FIRE RESCUE.
THEN WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THE REST OF OUR BUDGET FOR THE CITY, NOBODY GETS PAID, NOBODY GETS TO DO THE WORK.
WE DON'T GET TO REPAY OUR PUDDLES AND STUFF.
AS IT COMES TO FIRE RESCUE AND BUILDING AND 36, WE HAD A PLAN.
IT WAS NOT SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE EYE ON ISO.
WE'VE ALWAYS KEPT THE EYE ON ISO.
THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE THOUGHT OUT A PLAN FOR THIS ADAPTIVE RESPONSE PROGRAM THAT WILL HELP US WITH OUR ACCREDITATION AS WE GO THROUGH RENEWAL.
ONE THING YOU DID NOT MENTION, WHICH I'LL BE VERY HAPPY TO MENTION, IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE 85TH WORLDWIDE WITH THE CFIA ACCREDITED BY A CFAI ACCREDITATIONS AND I'M NOT GOING TO BOTHER TO READ IT ALL IN THERE BECAUSE TIME IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT OUR TIMER FIRE RESCUE IS AMAZING.
PEOPLE DON'T COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT TIMER FIRE RESCUE.
I GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
WHEN WE ARE READY TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT BSO HAS GIVEN A THOUGHT TO COME INTO THE CITY, THERE'LL BE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT'LL BE DISCUSSING IT ON ALL SIDES AND WE WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR THE GREAT SERVICES THAT THEY RECEIVE.
ALSO WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPARISONS AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ON THE CHART, ARE ALL THESE CITIES, 12 SQUARE MILES, THAT IS IN THE SHAPE OF A RECTANGLE, A SQUARE, AND A FISHTAIL? NO, WE ARE ORIGINAL TO OUR LOCATION.
WE ARE ORIGINAL TO THE PEOPLE WE SERVE.
SO SOMETIMES YOU REALLY JUST CAN'T COMPARE US.
WE'VE GOT GREAT EQUIPMENT, WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST, IF NOT THE FIRST TO HAVE THOSE FIRE RESCUE AIRLIFT BEDS TO GET PEOPLE ONTO THIS LIST SO WE DIDN'T HURT OUR FIRE RESCUE BACK.
PEOPLE MOVE HERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S SAFE BETWEEN OUR TAMARAC FIRE RESCUE AND OUR BSO DISTRICT CENTER.
THEY ARE HAPPY, THEY KNOW IT'S CLEAN, AND THEY LOVE OUR CITY.
THEY LIKE THAT WE'RE SMART WITH OUR BUDGETING.
AS WAS MENTIONED BY COLLEAGUES, ARE YOU GOING TO PAY NOW OR ARE YOU GOING TO PAY LATER? YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THROUGH HERE OR YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THROUGH THERE? THE SERVICES NEEDS TO BE HAD, WE'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH A SMART PROGRAM ON IT.
REDUCING IT TO 410 MAKE A DIFFERENCE AT $10, I'M NOT SURE.
BUT WHAT DOES IT HURT IN THE LONG RUN? WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY LET'S DO THE ROLLBACK RATE AND YOU SAY WE'RE SAVING, YOU TOLD US HOW MUCH IT WAS GOING TO COST US.
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IT WAS GOING TO COST US HOW MANY MILLIONS? AGAIN 3.5 MILLION IN LOSS IF WE DO A ROLLBACK RATE?>> PLUS 39. BASICALLY IT'S 3.5.
>> IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO BE SMART WITH OUR BUDGETING, IT'S VERY CONVENIENT TO SIT HERE AND I'VE USED THE EXPRESSION BEFORE WITH SOUNDBITES.
WHEN WE HAVE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS AND BUDGETING AND WE FAIL TO KEEP ON A BUDGET THAT SHOULD ALSO BE KEPT IN MIND, THE CITY OF TAMARAC CANNOT FAIL TO BE ON A BUDGET.
TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED, I CAN'T GO THERE.
SOME OTHER REASONS THAT ARE TAXABLE VALUE RATE IS ALSO WHAT IT IS, IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE AT 30,000, 60,000, 100,000 AND THEY LIVED HERE 20, 30, 40 YEARS.
WE SAVE OUR HOMES, THEY GET THAT DISCOUNT RATE.
THERE ARE NEW PEOPLE MOVING IN AND THAT ARE BUYING THEIR HOMES FOR 200,000, 400,000, I'LL PULL OUT MILLIONS.
WE DO HAVE A FEW MILLION DOLLAR HOMES HERE IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY WILL PAY THEIR TAX BILL ACCORDINGLY.
PLEASE TELL MY FIRE RESCUE DO NOT THINK THAT THERE'S A DIG BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE A RESCUE IN 36 YET, YOU ARE MAKING A PLAN, WE KNOW THAT ISO WILL WORK WITH YOU.
ASSISTANT CHIEF FRAZIER, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH BROWARD COUNTY TO HELP WITH THEIR UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF BSO THAT NEEDS TO HAVE THEIR RATING.
THE CAPTAIN OF THE CHIEF OF BSL FIRE GREAT MAN, HE JUST RETIRED, HE'S A TAMARAC RESIDENTS.
LOVELY MAN, LIVES IN KING'S POINTS WITH HIS FAMILY.
NOTHING ABOUT DISRESPECT TO THE BSO FIRE, BUT THEY'RE NOT OUR TAMARAC AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT DISCUSSION, WE WOULD HAVE.
I'VE GOT A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS WHO ARE VERY UNHAPPY AND THE PETITIONS ARE FLOWING.
WE'LL GET THERE WHEN WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE HAVING THAT MEETING.
BUT UNTIL SUCH TIME, WE NEED TO AFFORD THE TIMER FIRE RESCUE WE NEED NOW WE CAN'T CAUSE SERVICES TO OUR PEOPLE THAT NEED SERVICES NOW, AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 4 BECAUSE THAT'S MAINLY WHERE FIRE STATION 36 IS IN SERVICES RIGHT OVER THERE, THEY'RE EXTREMELY HAPPY THAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC ACTUALLY HAD FORETHOUGHT.
TO THINK ABOUT THEM, BUILD A FACILITY, SMART PROGRAM AND PLANNING AND PUTTING PEOPLE IN THERE, AND WE ARE AT THAT TIME NOW THAT WE NOW NEED TO PUT THE PEOPLE IN BECAUSE WE HAVE BUDGETED INTELLIGENTLY AND ACCORDINGLY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 3:13.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK UNTIL 3:25.
WE WILL BE BACK HERE ON TIME AND WE WILL FINISH THE LAST PART OF THIS I BELIEVE, OR IS THERE ANOTHER PART?
>> THE LAST PART? WE'RE CALLING IT THE LAST PART.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE ON RECESS WILL BE BACK AT 03:25. THANK YOU.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD, IT IS 3:25 STILL ON WEDNESDAY, JUNE 21ST, AND WE ARE WORKING ON OUR LAST ITEM AS FAR AS I KNOW OF THIS AGENDA.
PRESENTATION BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON A FUTURE CITY HALL,
[1.c Presentation by City Manager’s Office on: 1. Future City Hall and New Government Center Campus 2. Proposal for Colony West Glades Course]
A NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER CAMPUS AND PROPOSAL FOR COLONY WEST GLAZE COURSE.TO THE MANAGER, THE FLOOR IS YOURS AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN HERE.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THAT WOULD BE THE LAST ITEM BUT BEFORE WE GET THERE, DURING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING CONVERSATION, YOU DID ASK US TO LOOK AT A NUMBER OF COMMISSION BENEFITS AND SEE WHAT THIS SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ARE OFFERING TO THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SPECIFICALLY THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE AND COMMUNICATION ALLOWANCE.
WE DID AND HR CONDUCTED A SURVEY AND OUR HR DIRECTOR, LORENZO CALHOUN, IS HERE TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE FINDINGS FROM OUR SURVEY. LORENZO.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, LORENZO CALHOUN FOR THE RECORD, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.
WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT TWO AREAS OF BENEFITS PROVIDED TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE FIRST VEHICLE BENEFITS OR A VEHICLES COMPENSATION BENEFIT.
WE LOOKED AT 24 MUNICIPALITIES, WE LOOK AT ALL 31, 24 RESPONDED, I WILL TELL YOU THAT 23 OUT OF THE 24 THAT RESPONDED ARE IN BROWARD COUNTY,
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WE DID SPEAK WITH ONE MUNICIPALITY WHICH IS IN DADE COUNTY WHICH IS NORTH MIAMI.OF THE 24 THAT RESPONDENT, 15 OF THOSE MUNICIPALITIES PROVIDE NO TYPE OF VEHICLE SPECIFIC BENEFIT OPTION, SIX OF THOSE AS YOU WILL SEE ALL ON THE PIE CHART PROVIDE A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE PROVIDED BETWEEN $200-800 PER MONTH.
ONE MUNICIPALITY PROVIDED A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE TO THEIR MAYOR ONLY, ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY PROVIDED OFFICIALS WITH A CITY VEHICLE DURING WORK HOURS.
IN THE LAST MUNICIPALITY THAT I SPOKE UP IN DADE COUNTY PROVIDES AN OPTION OF A FLEET VEHICLE OR A $750 ALLOWANCE PER MONTH, TAMARAC AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM COMES IN AT 700 PER MONTH.
WE'RE ALSO ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT COMMUNICATION BENEFITS WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN A CELL PHONE OR PDA ALLOWANCE OR ANY TYPE OF ELECTRONIC DEVICES PROVIDED.
AGAIN, WE HAD 24 RESPONSES OUT OF THE 31 MUNICIPALITIES, SEVEN CITIES PROVIDE A COMMUNICATION DEVICE WHETHER IT BE A PHONE, IPAD, OR COMPUTER, SIX PROVIDE NO COMMUNITY THAT PATIENT BENEFIT OPTIONS, SIX PROVIDED COMMUNICATION ALLOWANCE RANGING FROM $50-225 PER MONTH, TWO MUNICIPALITIES PROVIDED THE MAYOR WITH THE COMMUNICATION ALLOWANCE THAT RANGE FROM $60-$125 PER MONTH.
ANOTHER THAT SAME THE SAME TWO MUNICIPALITIES, FOR THEIR COMMISSION MEMBERS PROVIDE A RANGE OF 35-$100 PER MONTH.
ONE CITY PROVIDED A COMMUNICATION DEVICE OR $480 ANNUALLY, ANOTHER CITY PROVIDED $80 PER MONTH FOR CELL PHONE AND AN IPAD.
ONE UNSPECIFIED COMMUNICATION BENEFIT WAS PROVIDED IN THE LAST MUNICIPALITY THAT WE SPOKE WITH, TAMARAC PROVIDES $50 FOR CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE AND $35 FOR PDA PER MONTH.
THAT CONCLUDES THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE ASKED TO BRING BACK AND I CAN TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
BEFORE WE GET THERE, I ALSO WANTED TO INCLUDE IF WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE FLEET OPTION FOR COMMISSION VEHICLES AND THEN WE EXPLORED ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND GAS-POWERED VEHICLES.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE FOUND.
THE FIRST TWO ARE FROM THE SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION CONTRACT OF THE MONTH WITH LEASE MOUNTS, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS A SPECIAL TESLA LEASE PROGRAM.
I WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THERE AS WELL.
>> YOU SLIPPING IN THAT TESLA? [LAUGHTER]
>> ANY WHO? COLLEAGUES, THE CONVERSATIONS FOR US, IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON THE PERIPHERY FOR MONTHS.
GOOGLE BENEFITS, PDAS, CELL PHONE BENEFITS, KEEPING THE 700, REDUCING THE 700, GETTING RID OF THE 700, GOING FOR A FLEET VEHICLE, GOING FOR OUR CITY VEHICLE ONLY DURING CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DAY, WE HAVE OPTIONS, OPTIONS ARE HERE.
THEN WE GET $80 A MONTH WHICH IS IN THE RANGE OF $50-$225 A MONTH FOR THE CELL PHONE PDA.
ANY CHANGES ON THAT? DISCUSSION, NO DISCUSSION.
LIKE BUELLER. LIVE AMERICA FOR IT.
>> THE QUESTION IS ON THE FLEET.
CITY CAR IS A MARKED CAR, DOES IT HAVE NO MARKS? CITY OF TAMARAC LOGO IS ON IT? WHAT GOES ON?
>> I HAVE SEEN BASED ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND IT DEPENDS ON THE STUDY AND DEPENDS ON THE POLICY OF THE CITY MANAGER OFFICE.
I HAVE CITIES THAT HAVE MARKING CARS IN TERMS OF HAVING A TAG, THAT'S A CITY IN SUNNY ISLES BEACH, I'M GOING TO FINISHERS A REGULAR TAX.
IT DEPENDS ON THE CITY AND THE POLICIES FROM THE CITY MANAGER OR THE COMMISSION HAS ANYONE IDENTIFIED THOSE VEHICLES.
>> I'M GOING DOWN THE ROAD, GOD FORBID, I HIT ELVIN.
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[LAUGHTER]HATE IS A STRONG WORD. I LOVE EVERYBODY.
BUT LET'S SAY I HIT SOMEBODY, THE CITY IS NOW LIABLE BECAUSE I'M DRIVING A CITY VEHICLE?
>> FOR THE CITY VEHICLE, JUST LIKE ANY CITY VEHICLE, IT WILL BE COVERED BY THE CITY INSURANCE AND THE CITY OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO PAY DAMAGES TO WHOEVER.
>> PUBLIC SERVICES MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
BUT HOW MUCH DO WE PAY FOR INSURANCE, LET'S SAY FOR 245 VEHICLES? OR WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY FOR INSURANCE?
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE AMOUNTS, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE AN ANNUAL AMOUNT FOR ABOUT 160 VEHICLES TOTAL.
>> WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 318,000 PER QUARTER FOR THE TOTAL FOR INSURANCE.
>> THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTEEN THOUSAND.
I DON'T WANT TO GET BACK INTO FUZZY MATHS [LAUGHTER]
>> BECAUSE MY MATH MAY NOT BE AS GOOD.
>> 318,000*4, THAT'S 1.272. HOW MANY VEHICLES?
>> THAT'S IN TOTAL FOR THE INSURANCE, I WOULDN'T HAVE SPECIFIC.
>> BUT HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE WE INSURING?
>> THAT'S FOR PROPERTY, THAT'S THE VEHICLE, IT'S FOR WORKERS COMP.
>> THAT INCLUDES ALL FOR PROPERTY, FOR EVERYTHING.
>> I'M LOOKING FOR THE COST TO INSURE FIVE FORD EXPLORERS XLT, MUSTANG.
WHAT'S THIS MATCH EV OR IN TESLA.
IF WE ARE GOING THIS FLEET ROUTE, THE CITY'S PAYING $331 PER MONTH, LET'S SAY CHEAPEST OPTION TESLA FREE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO INSURE IT, AND THEN WHO CHARGES IT? WHERE DO YOU GO TO CHARGE? MY HOUSE?
>> IT WILL BE ON ME? FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN A TOWN HOUSE, WE DON'T HAVE A GARAGE.
CHARGING IS NOT FEASIBLE. THAT'S A BURDEN.
POTENTIALLY THE COST OF THE FLEET IS MORE OR PERHAPS THE SAME OR A LITTLE LESS THAN THE $700.
WE'RE YET TO FIND THAT NUMBER OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE INSURANCE.
BUT IF WE HIT SOMEBODY INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY AND WE HAVE TO PAY OUT $1 MILLION, AND ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CALLED ACCIDENTS.
THAT THE COST OF THE FLEET GOES UP.
THE COST OF THAT OPTION GOES UP TREMENDOUSLY.
I'M NOT SAYING LET'S CHOOSE THIS, LET'S NOT CHOOSE THIS.
I'M JUST GIVING THE PROS AND CONS, THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES.
CITY ATTORNEY, I'M JAMAICAN, SO I HAVE FIVE JOBS.
I GO TO CHURCH, I GO TO THE COUNTY, I COME TO THE CITY, I GO TO MY BUSINESSES, I GO TO SCHOOL.
I DRIVE BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HOUSES, FLY MY DRONE. YOU KNOW, THE WORK.
NOW IF I'M NOT ON CITY BUSINESS, CAN I THEN DRIVE THAT CAR TO A CHURCH SERVICE? DO I DRIVE TO THE COUNTY? LET'S SAY ON MY TYPICAL WEDNESDAY AS A PASTOR, A MAN OF MANY HATS, I COME TO A COMMISSION MEETING IN THE MORNING, I GO TO MY CITY EVENT IN THE EVENING, DRIVE TO MY DOWNTOWN OFFICE,
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FINISHING UP SOME WORK BECAUSE I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF WORK.THEN I HAVE TO GO TO MAXINE'S HOUSE TO PRAY, DO MY PASTOR'S DUTIES.
NOW I JUST IN ONE DAY HAD FOUR DIFFERENT DUTIES, SO DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DRIVE TO THE CITY IN THAT TESLA THEN WHEN I'M FINISHED WITH CITY'S BUSINESS, GO HOME, PARK THAT CAR, AND THEN GO IN MY PRIVATE CAR TO DO MY OTHER BUSINESS? THEN IF A RESIDENT CALLS ME TO GO TO THE SUPERMARKET FOR THEM, LIKE SOME OF US, I ACTUALLY DO THAT, FOR INSTANCE, SO I'M TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
I LEAVE FROM CITY HALL, GO DOWNTOWN, OTHER BUSINESS, GO TO MY CHURCH, AND THEN BACK TO CITY BUSINESS.
I HAVE TO PARK THE CAR EVERY TIME OR ARE YOU SAYING I CAN JUST DRIVE THIS CAR AT THE WILL WHENEVER I WANT?
>> GENERALLY, FROM MY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE, PERSONAL USE, ESPECIALLY AT THE ELECTED AND UPPER MANAGEMENT LEVEL IS PERMITTED.
THERE'S SOME RESTRICTION OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T TAKE THE VEHICLE TO NEW YORK, ALABAMA, BUT GENERALLY, THERE'S PERSONAL USE PERMITED.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME IN, SWITCH VEHICLES OR GETTING YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE TO TAKE CARE OF PERSONAL AFFAIRS.
BUT PERSONAL USE AND PUBLIC USE IS ONLY PERMITTED WHEN UPPER MANAGEMENT LIKE TO BE GIVEN VEHICLE FOR USE.
>> IF WE CHOOSE AN OPTION, WE WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON THIS COMMISSION SAY, LOOK WHAT I'M DRIVING THE CITY OF VEHICLE TO.
>> HE JUST WANTS TO DO RESEARCH TO KNOW ABOUT IT FOR OURSELVES.
>> ASSUME THE RISK IF YOU GO WITH A GOVERNMENT VEHICLE TO THOSE PLACES.
>> IT'S LIKE TALK ABOUT PRIVACY.
EVERYBODY SEES THAT CAR, THEY KNOW THAT A COMMISSIONER IS THAT TRAPEZE OR THE FACE CENTER.
>> THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT OPTION.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WON'T ACCEPT THIS OPTION OR I'LL ACCEPT THIS OPTION OR THAT STUFF, I'M JUST THROWING OUT THE PROS AND CONS, THE DISADVANTAGES, THE ADVANTAGES TO THIS OPTION.
>> WE PAY FOR ALL OF OUR VEHICLES APPROXIMATELY $100,000 A YEAR.
>> ABOUT A $100,000 A YEAR FOR COVERAGE AND CATHY SAID WE CAN EXPECT ABOUT A SEVEN PERCENT INCREASE THIS YEAR.
>> IN GENERAL, WITHOUT THE FIVE MORE CARS, POTENTIALLY?
>> IT'S IN GENERAL. BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF FIVE CARS?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN BREAK THAT OUT BECAUSE WE GET THE APPROXIMATE RATE WITH ALL OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE IN, INCLUDING FIRE TRUCKS, ALL OF OUR PICKUP TRUCKS AND DIFFERENT VEHICLES ISN'T ENOUGH.
DOESN'T HURT TO HAVE ANOTHER CAR TO ADD TO MY FLEET.
>> IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD, AGAIN, GIVE IT WOULDN'T BE ASTRONOMICAL TO ADD FIVE.
>> IT'S ABOUT $600 A PIECE, AVERAGE.
>> YEAH. I WOULDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT MUCH.
>> THE ONE WHO HAS A FEW MORE VEHICLES OR HAS A FEW MORE CAR CRASHES AS HE RUNS OVER PEOPLE, YOUR INSURANCE MIGHT BE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE HAD ISSUES OR MAYBE SOME OF US.
>> THE VICE MAYOR IS A SAFE DRIVER. HE'S NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED.
>> I'M VERY SAFE AND MY DRIVER'S LICENSE CAN PROVE IT.
IT SAYS SAFE DRIVER ON ACTUALLY.
>> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU CHANGED YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE? ANYWAY.
>> MA'AM, WE APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION, OBVIOUSLY.
WE PROVIDED THESE NUMBERS AS ALTERNATIVE TO THE ALLOWANCE, BUT AS A MATTER OF BUSINESS PRACTICE, WE'D DEFINITELY PREFER THE ALLOWANCE MODEL BECAUSE IT DOES RELIEVE US OF ALL KINDS OF LIABILITIES.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
IT PROVIDES A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THE ORGANIZATION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CELL PHONES AND LINES AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE COMPLICATED WITH THE IRS RULES AND ALL OF THAT.
THE ALLOWANCE MODEL IS THE SIMPLEST AND MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD MODEL FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
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>> MADAM MAYOR, IN FACT, I BELIEVE I'M NOT A TAX EXPERT, BUT I HAVE A CITY VEHICLE.
YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT IN YOUR 1040.
>> THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
>> WE HAVE COMMISSIONER LOBOS AND THEN COMMISSIONER DAN.
>>THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HONESTLY LOVE THE IDEA THAT COMMISSIONER DANIEL HAD, WAS WITH THE FIFTH OPTION, I THINK IT WAS JUST IF YOU WANT TO OPTION, YOU OPTION IN, IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T.
I THINK THIS IS A DIFFERENT OPTION AS WELL.
I THINK EVEN THE TESLA, IT'S 12,000 MILES A YEAR.
I THINK I DROVE LAST MONTH ABOUT 300 MILES CITY RELATED BECAUSE I ACTUALLY TRACK IT ON MY TRACKER AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A TRACKING DEVICE IN MY VEHICLE.
IT WON'T BE, EVEN IF YOU DO 500 MILES A MONTH CITY RELATED, DISTRICT RELATED.
WHAT I MEANT TO SAY REALLY WAS DISTRICT RELATED.
IN MY DISTRICT, I DROVE 300 PLUS MILES LAST MONTH.
I THINK ANY OPTION, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER WORK IT'S ATTACHED TO IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY MAKE OR BREAK AN EXTRA FEW MINUTES OF THAT TIME.
I THINK JUST AS FAR AS SIGNAGE GOES, IT'S THE SAME THING. IT'S OPTIONAL.
IF YOU WANT IT ON YOUR VEHICLE, YOU WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW YOU'RE A TAMARAC VEHICLE AND ACTUALLY PEOPLE LOVE IT BECAUSE THEY CAN ACTUALLY STOP YOU OR THEY HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU'RE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, THEY SEE THE VEHICLE IS GETTING INSIDE, GETTING OUTSIDE.
A POLICE OFFICER IS A POLICE OFFICER ALL THE TIME, A FIREFIGHTER, THE SAME WAY.
WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF OUR LIVES WHILE WE'RE ELECTED.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN OPTIONAL THING.
IF I TAKE THIS OPTION, I WANT IT WRAPPED.
THAT'S MY DECISION. WHO PAYS FOR IT AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT SLAP ON TAMARAC THERE, SIGN, THAT'S MY DECISION.
AS FAR AS INSURANCE GOES, APPARENTLY, IT'S REALLY NOTHING.
FOR A 107,000 A YEAR TO COVER 200 PLUS VEHICLES, LET ME DO THE MATH, IT'S REALLY NOTHING.
IT'S NOT GOING TO ADD TO, ADDING FIVE MORE VEHICLES REALLY WON'T DO MUCH.
CHARGING STATION WON'T BE A THING AND AS FAR AS DRIVING TO OTHER PLACES, LOOK AT WHATEVER CITY THIS WAS, CITY VEHICLE USED DURING WORK HOURS.
IF YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE CITY, YOU COME HERE, YOU PICK UP YOUR VEHICLE AND YOU GO.
YOU COME BACK, YOU TAKE YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE AND YOU DO YOUR OWN PERSONAL THINGS.
AGAIN, IT'S ALL REALLY OPTIONAL.
BUT I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL OPTION THAT WE DIDN'T SEE BEFORE.
BECAUSE I PAY, SO FORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE A CAR PAYMENT AND I'M DOING THE IRS OPTION.
BUT I'M BIDDING ON MY CAR AND THE INSURANCE IS A LOT MORE THIS TIME AROUND, IT INCREASED MAINTENANCE INCREASED.
YES, I ACTUALLY HAVE A DEFICIT WHEN IT COMES TO DRIVING AROUND.
BUT THAT'S FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S MY DUTY THAT I FEEL I OWE TO THE COMMUNITY, IS DRIVING AROUND, MAKING SURE WHAT'S GOING ON.
VISIT PEOPLE, GO TO CLUBHOUSES AND DO THE HOA THING.
ALL THESE OPTIONS, I LOVE THIS OPTION AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT STUDY WAS DONE.
I THINK IT SHOWS THE RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE IN OPTION AND WE DON'T NEED TO BE, YOU GIVE UP YOUR 700, YOU GIVE UP YOUR THIS.
NONE OF THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO REPORT BACK TO OUR RESIDENTS.
WHAT ARE OUR RESIDENT WANTS FROM US WIND WHETHER I CAN CONVINCE OFF FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I HAD THE OPTION TO OPTION OUT OR OPTION IN OR STAY IN.
WE STILL NEED TO REPORT BACK TO OUR RESIDENTS, PUT IT IN PUBLIC TO SAY, HEY, THE MAYOR DIDN'T DO IT OR THE HAND SANITIZER DID.
THAT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS. AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE REPORT BACK TO OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> FOR A FLEET CAR, IF WE'RE DOING INSURANCE, WOULD WE WIND UP NEEDING TO SELF-INSURE ANYWAY IN CASE OF INDEMNIFICATION FOR GETTING INTO AN ACCIDENT IN A CITY VEHICLE?
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>> YOU ALREADY ASKED HER THE QUESTION ABOUT INCOME.
IT WINDS UP BEING IF WE ARE RENTING SO TO SPEAK A CAR FROM THE CITY, DOES IT COME TO US PER MONTH?
>> FINANCE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO SHORTEN YOUR [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT YOU'RE CURRENTLY WHERE WE HAVE INCOME OF $700 PER MONTH TO US ANYWAY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 8,400 PER PERSON AS INCOME TO US THAT WE GET TAXED BASED ON OUR INCOME, $42,000 FOR THE YEAR.
IF WE HAD A FLEET VEHICLE, WRAP, NO WRAP, OR WHATEVER, IT'S STILL WOULD NEED TO HAVE A CITY LICENSE PLATE.
IT STILL WILL BE ONE OF THOSE YELLOW PLATES THAT SAY A CITY ON IT.
THEN AGAIN, WHEN YOU HAVE CUSTOMIZED LICENSE PLATES, THEY KNOW WHATEVER CAR YOU'RE DRIVING OR IF YOU HAD RED LEATHER SEATS, THEY KNOW WHICH CAR YOU'RE DRIVING ANYWAY.
I DO NOT THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF DRIVING I DO FOR THE CITY AND THE PLACES I GO FOR THE CITY.
I GO TO VARIOUS MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
SOMETIMES I GO TO OTHER COUNTIES.
SOMETIMES EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE I NEED TO STOP AND DO A PERSONAL ITEM OR OCCASIONALLY REMEMBER WHAT MY LAW FIRM IS LIKE AND GO VISIT IT AND DO SOMETHING THERE.
WHICH IS VERY RARE OCCASION, BUT I HAVE TO DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO TRY TO GO BACK-AND-FORTH AND PICK UP A CAR AND SWITCH OUT OF A CAR.
I KNOW PERSONALLY I WOULD THINK IS GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS TO DO.
I DON'T PERSONALLY SUPPORT THAT IDEA.
I KNOW THE REASON WHY WE WENT WITH JUST DOING A FLAT RATE AND EVERYBODY BEING COUNTED FOR IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, THIS HAS BEEN SINCE 2007.
THE INSURANCE HAS GONE UP, THE GAS HAS GONE UP.
I KNOW SOMEBODY SAID IS 0.555 FOR MILE REIMBURSEMENT.
EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TODAY BECAUSE IT'S A BUDGET DAY.
EVERYTHING GOES UP, NOT MUCH GOES DOWN.
WHAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REASONABLE IN THE PAST I THINK FOR $700 IN THE PAST MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REASONABLE, BUT IT SEEMS TODAY'S DAY AND AGE IS ACTUALLY WINDS UP BEING MORE REASONABLE.
HOWEVER, I HAVE SAID THAT I WILL SUPPORT WHATEVER THE COMMISSION WANTS TO SUPPORT.
I ALWAYS PUT IT OUT THERE. YES, I FINALLY HAVE A NEW CAR AFTER NINE YEARS BECAUSE MY CAR WAS HAVING SO MANY ISSUES AFTER I RUN IT INTO THE GROUND IN THE CITY.
I DO HAVE A NEW CAR, I DID NOT GO FOR A TYPE OF LINE, I DID NOT GO FOR A TESLA OR AN EV BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PLUG IT IN.
EVEN IF I SHOULD WANT TO TRY AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, I DON'T HAVE IT AT MY HOUSE.
WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLES? WE DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT HERE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
THEN WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT. WE'RE WORKING WITH FP NOW, IT'S A PROGRESS GOING FORWARD.
BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE YOUR HOUSE ALREADY SET UP FOR THIS.
AS WE KNOW, SOME PEOPLE LIVE IN TOWN HOME, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
DO THEY HAVE SOME ABILITY TO FINALLY HAVE ONE? NEVER CHARGED. BALL GOING TO MORRIS AT TAMARAC VILLAGE.
>> BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OVER ALBUM WITH IT, AND THEN ME.
IT'S A GOOD SOUNDING PLAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE TIME IT WOULD BE.
IF WE GO WITH THE FORD EXPLORER, GENERAL OR FASHION FORD EXPLORER, GO FORWARD, IT'S HIGHER.
IT'S $991 ESTIMATED RIGHT NOW THAN WHAT THE CAR ALLOWANCE CURRENTLY IS.
I THROW IT OUT THERE, I WILL SUPPORT WHATEVER WILL BE THE CONSENSUS OF THIS COMMISSION GOING FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW DO WE BUDGET ANYBODY JUST DOING AS THEY WISH.
>> WE DON'T NEED A CONSENSUS, MAYOR.
YOU ASKED FOR THIS INFORMATION, WE PROVIDED, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND SO WE CAN JUST GO ABOUT THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> HERE'S THE THING, I WANT TO CONSENSUS. HERE'S WHY.
FOR EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT THAT'S GOING TO COME STAND BEFORE US AND YELL AT US, WHICH ACTUALLY THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FIVE OF THEM.
BUT MAYBE AFTER SAYING THAT WE'LL HAVE 12 NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO BE YELLED AT ANYMORE.
IF THEY'RE WATCHING THIS AND HEARING THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
WE'RE MAKING BUSINESS DECISIONS WHICH INCLUDE COMING INTO OUR POCKETS AS INCOME BUT ALSO INCLUDES THE FACT THAT WE DO WORK IN BUSINESS FOR THE CITY.
WE'RE NOT SITTING DOING NOTHING AND NOT WORKING FOR THE CITY BUSINESS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO GET CONSENSUS.
CITY STAFF, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER.
I'M NOT FORCING THIS COMMISSION TO ANSWER.
I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT THIS IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
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I WILL SAY THAT IF WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, THEN IT MOVES FORWARD AS IF WE'VE ALWAYS DONE AND THE SILENCE WILL BE THE ANSWER.>> I CAMPAIGNED ON CUTTING IT.
OBVIOUSLY, MR. ALFONSO CAME WITH THE TAPE.
I'M A MAN OF MY WORD, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF CUTTING IT.
>> I CAMPAIGNED ON GETTING RID OF IT, SO THAT'S A PROMISE I MADE.
>> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CUTTING IT.
>> YOU SAID CUTTING IT DOWN AND REMOVING IT.
REDUCING IT AND CUTTING IT COMES UP.
>> I'M IN FAVOR OF A OPTIONAL DECISION.
EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN CHOICE.
AGAIN, I WON'T REVERT BACK TO MY STORY OR CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS WANT US TO REMOVE IT.
THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE DRIVING AROUND, THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING.
REMOVING IT COMPLETELY AND CONSIDERING THAT SALARIES REALLY DON'T MATCH OTHER POSITIONS.
WE KNOW VERY WELL THAT OUR POSITIONS, THEY'RE NEITHER FULL-TIME NOR PART-TIME.
I'M THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OPTION.
YES, IT IS A TESLA AND IT WON'T BE MATCHING, IT BELONGS TO THE CITY, IT GOES BACK TO TESLA AFTERWARDS.
DOES THE VEHICLE GO BACK TO THE MANUFACTURER?
>> YES, THEY DO. YOU CANNOT BUY THEM.
>> THAT HAS TO GO BACK TO TESLA WHEN IT'S DONE.
>> I'M OKAY WITH THAT OPTION BECAUSE AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE OF MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, KNOWING HOW MUCH I SPENT AND HOW MANY MILES I DRIVE.
OPTIONAL FOR ME IS REALLY THE KEY OR THE TESLA.
>> THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT.
WHEN I ASKED ONE OF OUR VOCAL RESIDENTS WHY ARE THEY SO STRONGLY ANGERED ABOUT THIS ONE ITEM, THE ANSWER I RECEIVED, IT WAS JUST EASIER TO BE STRONG AND PUSH ON THIS ITEM.
THE PERSON SAID, WELL, I DON'T GET IT AT MY JOB.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE PERSON WORKS AT HOME OR NOT.
BUT IF IT HAPPENS TO BE THE SAME PERSON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE I WAS SAYING TO THIS PERSON, WHY WOULD YOU NOT HAVE BEEN SO UPSET ABOUT OUR INITIATIVE FUNDS, WHICH ARE $25,000 THAT WOULD COME INTO US FREE DISCRETION? THAT'S $25,000 PER HOUR.
IT'S 125,000 IN THE BUDGET LINE.
BUT YET YOU'RE VERY UPSET OVER $8,400 PER PERSON THAT WE GET TAXED ON AND 42,000 TOTAL ON THE BUDGET LINE.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
I BRING IT DOWN THE LINE IF THERE'S NO WISHES, I'M NOT MAKING ANYBODY TALK.
YOU WANT TO SPEAK. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
>> I WANTED A TESLA FOR A WHILE AND I'M SAVING FOR IT.
I'M GOING TO BORROW SOMEONE'S.
BUT IF IT GETS IN AN ACCIDENT, YOU PAYING FOR IT, OR IF IT BREAKS DOWN OR HOW DOES THAT WORK?
>> IT'S INSURED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
>> EVERYTHING IS TO CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY?
>> I JUST WANT TO HAVE ONE CAVEAT.
>> YES, THE CITY IS DOING LIABLE, BUT I JUST WANT TO WARN ANYONE, I WOULD SAY IF YOU.
>> INTENTIONALLY RUN OVER ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
>> YOU INTENTIONALLY VIOLATE THE LAW.
>> WE'RE ON RECORD VICE MAYOR.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET IN THE VEHICLE DRUNK AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE DRUNK.
COME HERE, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN ROOM FOR THAT ONE.
>> I'M SURPRISED IT'S STILL STANDING FROM LIGHTENING.
>> WE KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO JUMP ON COMMISSIONER DANIEL'S COMMENT, WHICH IS TRUE.
AGAIN TO TESLA'S SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE AT LEAST EXPENSIVE $103,331.
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GIVE OR TAKE, $20, $25 PROBABLY.THE TESLA'S HAVE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE.
IF IT'S OUR FAULT, I'M SURE THE CITY IS GOING TO COME AFTER US FOR DRIVING RECKLESSLY OR SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE THAT.
THEY KNOW IF YOU'RE TEXTING AND DRIVING.
>> WHILE WE'RE TRYING NOT TO TALK THEM UP, BUT THE VICE MAYOR HAS IT RIGHT AND I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP.
YOU GO WITH ONE OF THOSE ELECTRIC FUELS, IT GOES, GUESS WHAT? THE CAMERAS ARE ALWAYS RECORDING.
IT GETS YOU IF YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT OUTSIDE NEXT TO IT, IT'S GETTING EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY COULD PROBABLY GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU MAY REALLY WANT TO BE CAREFUL SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM IF YOU WIND UP GETTING A TESLA BECAUSE IT WILL BE PUBLIC RECORD. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
I'VE SAID SINCE 2016 TO GET RID OF THE CAR ALLOWANCE.
I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND NOW.
I GET WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING AND FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF HAVING MY CAR ALLOWANCE YOU KNOW HAVE HELPED RESIDENTS WITH THAT MONEY AND I HAVE NOT BRAGGED ABOUT IT.
I STARTED LIKE, SENDING A LETTER WITH IT.
LIKE, HEY, I JUST PAID OFF YOUR WATER BILL.
HERE'S AN ALIEN WOULD WRITE THE LETTER.
THAT'S THE STUFF I ASKED MYSELF.
WHY AM I DOING THIS? YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING GOOD.
ONE POINT I WANTED TO DOCUMENT IT TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT REALLY DON'T NEED IT AND THIS IS REALLY, I'M LIKE GIVING AWAY THIS MONEY.
BUT IT FEELS GOOD WHEN YOU CAN GIVE BACK TO RESIDENTS REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT AND I'VE GIVEN MORE, THEN MY CAR LOANS TO RISE SO IF WE KEEP THE CAR LOANS, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
JUST THE OTHER DAY, I PAID FOR THE ENTIRE FUNERAL OF A RESIDENT WHOSE SON DROWNED IN THE CANAL.
FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, THAT WAS MY ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF KARLA.
WE HAVE TO DO SOME GOOD AS COMMISSIONERS.
WE REALLY HAVE TO DO SOME GOOD.
IT'S A TOUGH DECISION BASED ON THE FACT THAT IF WE GO WITH THAT OPTION OF GETTING RID OF IT, I WOULD LOSE THAT ABILITY TO HELP THE AMOUNT OF RESONANCE THAT I'VE BEEN HELPING WITH THAT MONEY.
BUT AS IT IS, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE MY MIND TO GET RID OF IT.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T KEEP IT, BUT HERE IS A QUESTION FOR MANAGER, ATTORNEY, OR MAYBE LORENZO.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED, WE CAN ALL CHOOSE AN OPTION SO SOMEBODY CAN CHOOSE TO KEEP IT, SOMEBODY CAN CHOOSE TO GET RID OF IT? SOMEBODY CAN CHOOSE THE FLEET.
THAT IS THAT AN OPTION WHERE EACH PERSON CHOOSES AN OPTION.
OR IS IT THAT WE JUST HAVE CONSENSUS, GET RID OF IT OR HAVE CONSENSUS, KEEP IT OR HAVE CONSENSUS TO MILEAGE? BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND TO HOW SOME OF US ARE HERE IN THE OFFICE 24/7, VOLUNTEERING AT AN HOA ALMOST 24 7, BUT ALSO DRIVING 300, 400 MILES.
IT DOESN'T ADD UP, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN EXPLAIN.
IT'S EITHER WERE IN OFFICE, ARE NOT IN OFFICE OR IN THE COMMUNITY OR VOLUNTEERING AT A CLUBHOUSE OR SOMETHING.
BUT I KNOW THAT I DON'T DO A LOT OF MILES OF THESE DAYS BECAUSE OF OTHER DUTIES.
TELL US WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND LET'S BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU SO THE CITY'S POLICY OR WAY OF DOING BUSINESS HAS BEEN
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THE ALLOWANCE FROM THE BEGINNING AND SO WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS UNTIL RECENTLY THEN THAT WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS.IT SEEMS WE ARE SLOWLY MOVING TOWARDS THAT POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THE OPTION OF OPTING IN OPTING OUT MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT.
I WASN'T GOING TO VOLUNTEER SINGLE FLEET VEHICLE FOR THAT OPTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW EASY OR DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE FOR PROCESSING THAT.
BUT IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION, WE CAN GO THAT WAY TOO SO RIGHT NOW, WE AREN'T THE ONLY OPTION IS THE ALLOWANCE AND THEN SO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT AND THEN MOVE TOWARDS A MORE FLEXIBLE MODEL, THEN COMMISSION'S DECISION.
>> BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD IS GET RID OF IT, DO OPT-IN, OPT-OUT MILEAGE.
SOMEBODY ALSO SAYS, I WANT A TESLA.
SOMEBODY WHO'S AFRAID OF CAMERAS.
MR. CALHOUN, WHAT IS YOUR- WHAT IS YOUR IDEA? YOU AGREE WITH THE MANAGER THAT PERHAPS THAT IS AN OPTION WHERE EVERYBODY JUST CHOOSES AN OPTION AND ADD ON WITH IT.
>> I DO AGREE WITH THE MANAGER.
IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION TO HAVE OPTIONS, THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.
>> YEAH. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU DONE?
>> MY THOUGHT IS THAT IF WE GO OPT-IN, OPT-OUT, I WILL OPT OUT AT THE TIME SEARCHING.
AFTER I'VE HELPED A FEW RESIDENTS THAT I'VE TOLD THAT I'M GOING TO HELP THEM.
THAT'S MY THING SO IF WE OPT-IN, OPT-OUT, I WILL MAKE GOOD ON MY PROMISE TO HELP A FEW RESIDENTS THAT ARE HAVING SOME ISSUES, FOOD INSECURITIES, AND UTILITY AND SECURITIES IN THE DISTRICT, AND THEN OPT OUT IF WE CHOOSE THE JUST GET RID OF IT OPTION TODAY.
I WILL JUST HELP THEM WITH OTHER RESOURCES.
IT'S COMPLETELY FINE, BUT IT WOULD BE MY PREFERRED OPTION TO GET RID OF IT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE GET THE FORD EXPLORER EXCEL T 917 PRICING.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT ONLINE FOR NEW MODEL AND A LIST, IT'S ABOUT GIVEN THE BASE MODEL IS ABOUT 5- 447- $474, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT BELLS AND WHISTLES COME OUT IN THAT ONE.
PROBABLY HAS ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES.
>> MAYBE SOME OF US HAVE REALLY GOOD CREDIT AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER CONTRACTS. I'LL SAY MY SUPPLIER.
>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION, HOW LONG IS THE LEASE FOR?
>> FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD COME IN AND GO AND VISIT YOUR TRANSITION.
THE VEHICLE OR WHATEVER THAT CHOICES CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
IN TERMS OF THE LEASE VEHICLES, I THINK VICE MAYOR I MENTIONED IS WHEN I'M VISITING A RESIDENT IN THE WOODLANDS AND I WANT TO GO DOWN TO MIAMI AND JUST HANG OUT WITH SOME FRIENDS.
DO I HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY BACK TO TAMARAC VILLAGE, DROP THE CAR OFF AND IT HAD TO MIAMI, AND ALSO SOMETIMES I GIVE MY MOM MY CAR AFTER HE TRIES SOMETIMES WITH SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES OR CAN SHE DRIVE THE CAR? IF SHE CAN'T DRIVE THE CAR.
>> MOST CITIES GENERALLY STRICT GUIDELINES.
ONLY CITY IF SHE CAN DRIVE THE VEHICLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHO'S INSURED.
I THINK YOU HAVE DAUGHTERS AS WELL.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR LICENSE SO WHAT WOULD HIS DAUGHTER'S BE ABLE TO DRIVE ONE OF THE CARS? [LAUGHTER]
>> I STILL HAVE TO SAY THAT THE LEASE OPTION DOESN'T GIVE US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
IT SEEMS VERY BUREAUCRATIC IN THE SENSE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO.
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VICE MAYOR HAS SEVEN JOBS FASTER SO IT DOESN'T GIVE US THAT FLEXIBILITY.I WILL REFER TO CITY ATTORNEY, BUT AS HE WAS SAYING THAT,
>> I THINK YOU DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THIS INSTANCE EVEN WITH THE CITY POLICY WITHOUT TAKE-HOME VEHICLES, THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR INCIDENTAL STAPLERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> I'LL SEE IT. LIKE I SAID, I DID CAMPAIGN ON GETTING RID OF THE CAR ALLOWANCE.
IT WAS ABOUT SAVING THE CITY MONEY AND THAT'S $8,400 A YEAR AND I DO NOT HAVE AN AID, SOME ALREADY SAVING THE CITY 26,000 SO I THINK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, 25,000, I'M BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, AND NOW THAT I LIKE WHAT THE VICE MAYOR I MENTIONED, HE USES THE ADDITIONAL MONEY TO HELP INDIVIDUALS SO THE OPT-IN OPTION, I THINK FROM WHAT I GET, THAT SEEMS THOUGH OPTION EVERYONE PREFERS WHERE YOU OPT-IN OR OPT OUT OF 700, IT GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY.
IT ALLOW THE CITIES TO SAVE MONEY AND YOU CAN HELP PEOPLE.
>> IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE MORE OF A CONSENSUS OF AN OPTION PLAN.
I HEAR OPT IN OPT OUT FOR THE 700, I HEAR OPT-IN OPT-OUT FOR LEASING AS WELL. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? WE'RE ASKING TO ASK FOR A POLICY THAT ALLOWS US TO OPT-IN OPT-OUT WITH THE PROPOSED VEHICLES IN 700.
>> AND LEAVE IT AS IS AS CLEAN, WHICH IS?
>> MY OPTION IS TO JUST TO BE CLEAR, TO GET RID OF IT ALTOGETHER. I SECOND THAT AS WELL.
>> WHICH ACTUALLY PUTS ME IN THE MIDDLE POSITION.
HERE I AM, MY COMMENTS HAVE REMAINED THE SAME.
I HAVE TWO KEEPS AND I HAVE TWO GET RID OF.
LET SPLIT THE BABY AND FOR THE REDUCE BECAUSE THIS WAY.
>> IT'S ANOTHER OPTION BECAUSE AT THE SAME TOKEN, IF I SAY GET RID OF, TWO PEOPLE ON THE DAY, ARE UNHAPPY.
IF I SAY KEEP THE OTHER TWO PEOPLE ON THE DAY IS AREN'T UNHAPPY.
BASICALLY THE ONLY PROBLEM IS I'VE MADE IS I WOULD DISCUSS THIS AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DO WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO.
BECAUSE I ALSO THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE AWHILE.
NOT THAT THIS CAR ALLOWANCE WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED THE PHONE ALLOWANCE IS $4,200 OF A BUDGET THAT IS 220 MILLION. HOW MUCH IS THE BUDGET?
>> IT'S EVEN GONE UP, SO $256 MILLION BUDGET AND MY MATH PEOPLE CAN TELL ME HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH OUR 42,000? VERY LITTLE, VERY SMALL.
WE DO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO OTHER ITEMS, WHICH IS WHY I THROW OUT.
>> MAY I SUGGEST THAT, JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS, AN OPT IN, OPT OUT, LEAVE IT AS IT IS, THAT WOULD SATISFY EVERYBODY'S POSITION.
>> THEN THE TWO PEOPLE WHO CAMPAIGN TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF IT CAN SAY ON THE RECORD THAT THEY TRIED TO GET RID OF IT, BUT THE MAYOR DIDN'T LET THEM GET RID OF IT.
I WASN'T BEING FACETIOUS. I REALLY WASN'T.
I PROMISE YOU ON THAT ONE, I WASN'T BEING A WEDGE.
>> I CAN PUT MY BROOM AWAY, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE THE TWO OF YOU.
>> I THINK MAYOR, YOU CLEARLY INDICATE YOU WANT TO GET CONSENSUS AND THERE'S NO CONSENSUS FOR ANY OPTION BY PROCESS A PROCEDURE THAT MEANS WE KEEP IT THE SAME.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS HORSE HAS BEEN LET OUT OF THE BARN.
IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN THE HALL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE POOR THING BECAUSE I LOVE HORSES AND SO WE ARE DONE WITH THAT.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT BECAUSE I'VE WANTED A NEW CITY HALL COMPOUND COMPLEX, BECAUSE WE'RE RAINING INSIDE.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO SO PLEASE CITY MANAGER, TALK TO US ABOUT OUR FUTURE.
>> SURE. MAYOR AND COMMISSION.
THIS IS REALLY EXCITING ACTUALLY, AND WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
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IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT A NEW CITY HALL, BUT IT'S ABOUT CHANGING THE FACE OF CITY OF TAMARAC IN A LOT OF WAYS.IT'S ACTUALLY TAKING A LOT OF OLD STUCK IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC, CITY ON OLD STYLE PROPERTY AND TURN INTO MODERN IN CENTER OF ATTRACTION, IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BEAUTIFUL CHANGE OF SCENERY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER AT THIS POINT TO MS. CALLOWAY.
SHE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR A NUMBER OF THESE FACILITIES AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE, SO MAXI
>> THANK YOU, MR. MANAGER AND SO JUST TO ECHO EVERYONE'S EXCITEMENT, THIS IS A VERY EXCITING TIME AND A GREAT TIME IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET FOR US TO EXPLORE THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
I'LL GO THROUGH THE OPTION THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH COUNTY AND OUR EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF WHEN WE PLAN TO BRING THIS TO YOU IN A FORMAL MANNER.
BUT JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE THE EXISTENCE CITY HALL ON WHICH THIS PROPERTY SITS, THAT'S ABOUT PLUS OR MINUS 15 ACRES.
THEN WHAT WE REFER TO AS OUR FUTURE NOB GOVERNMENT CENTER OF CAMPUS, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THIS PROPERTY.
IT PRESENTS SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE AND HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE THE PROPERTIES AS I'M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU.
THIS IS WHAT WE WILL REFER TO AS OUR FUTURE NOB HILL GOVERNMENT CENTER CAMPUS AND WE'RE CALLING IT A GOVERNMENT CENTER CAMPUS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE ENDLESS IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THIS PROPERTY.
I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN SOME OF THIS IN OTHER LOCATIONS.
I THINK ONE THAT IS MOST RECENT IS A CITY OF MIRAMAR.
WHERE THEY HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL, SOME RETAIL CLOSE TO THEIR GOVERNMENT FACILITY.
I KNOW THAT MY DAUGHTER DANCE LESSONS SOME TIME OCCURS AT THEIR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, WHICH IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THEIR CITY HALL.
WE HAVE ALMOST 30 ACRES OF NOB HILL.
WE HAVE A CITY HALL EXISTING HERE THAT ONLY HOUSES SOME OF OUR STAFF.
WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAVE ALL OUR STAFF TOGETHER.
WE HAVE STAFF THAT IS ON THE NOB HILL LOCATION PROPERTY.
WE HAVE THE BILLING DEPARTMENT AND IT SPREAD OUT IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER IN ONE BUILDING OVER ON ALMOST 30 ACRES WHERE WE CAN INTRODUCE, MIX-USE OPTION THERE WITH SOME RETAIL, SOME RESIDENTIAL AS WELL TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WE KNOW IS ACROSS THE STREET.
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A CITY HALL IN THAT LOCATION, OF COURSE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR BSO, BUILDING WOULD MOVE THERE AS WELL, AND A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER WITH THE OPTION OF SOME PERFORMING ARTS SO THAT WOULD FREE UP THAT PROPERTY THAT WE KNOW THAT'S ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND ALLOW US TO LEVERAGE IT IN MANY WAYS THAT COLLEGE IS GOING TO HELP US TO DETERMINE WHICH IS BEST AND OF COURSE, A PARKING STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE KNOW GIVEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THEIR SURFACE PARKING WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO HOUSE ALL THE USES OR PARKING STRUCTURE FOR ALL THE USES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO IN THAT LOCATION.
WE HAVE ENGAGED OR ASKED COLLIER TO GIVE US A PROPOSAL THAT WE INTEND TO BRING TO YOU AT YOUR JULY 12TH MEETING THAT WOULD LOOK AT A FEASIBILITY STUDY, LOOKING AT THE NEW CITY HALL COMPLEX, DOING A SPACE STUDY AS WELL TO SEE HOW GREAT THE BUILDING WOULD BE.
THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF OPPORTUNITIES AND PARTNERSHIP, WHETHER IT'D BE LEASING OR SELLING THE PROPERTY, LEVERAGING THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE HERE, THE ONE ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, BUT THEY WILL LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST IN TERMS OF FINANCING THIS NEW ENDEAVOR THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE EMBARKING ON.
THERE'S A PHASE 1-3 WHICH IS SIX MONTHS.
IT INCLUDES A DUE DILIGENCE, A STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT, FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, AND INCLUDES A WORKPLACE ADVISORY PROGRAMMING NEEDS ASSESSMENT WHERE THEY'RE MEETING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, CERTAIN STAKEHOLDERS SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT SPACE WE WILL NEED IN THIS NEW CITY HALL COMPLEX AND THEN A VISION AND PLANNING EXERCISE AS WELL.
THEN THE LAST PHASE OF THE PROJECT WILL INCLUDE MARKET ENGAGEMENT, AND THEN THEY WILL ASSIST US WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RFP OR THE RFQ, THE MARKETING, AND IT'S SOLICITATION AND THE SELECTION PROCESS.
WE KNOW THAT COLLIER HAVE SIGNIFICANT EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS.
WHEN THEY MET WITH MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER, THEY SHOWED US, OF COURSE, THE MARKETING AND SELECTION INFORMATION THEY HAD.
I THINK IT WAS FOR DELRAY BEACH.
BUT SEVERAL CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS SO WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY AND WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE BACKGROUND TO PRODUCE THIS.
THEIR BUDGET FOR THIS IS 79,500 AND SO THIS PROPOSAL WILL COME TO YOU AT YOUR JULY MEETING.
IF WE ACHIEVE CONSENSUS TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD,
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TO EXPLORE THIS ON A MEANINGFUL LEVEL.THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP AT STRATEGIC PLAN AND ALSO WAS JUST TO LOOK AT THE COLONY WEST.
I KNOW WE REFER TO IT TODAY AS A CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE TO LOOK AT.
NO, THE EXECUTIVE IS WHAT WE SAID, YES.
THAT'S PLUS OR MINUS 77 ACRES AND WE ALSO WANT TO EXPLORE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE THERE.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S THERE.
WE THINK IT'S A MIXTURE OF LOW RETAIL, SOME MAYBE RESTAURANT, FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT USES, BUT PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND SO WE'D LIKE COLLIER TO EXPLORE THAT AS WELL AND COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT EXIST FOR US THERE, PRICING FOR US TO CONSIDER.
THAT FOR COLLIER IS A BUDGET OF $12,500 FOR THEM TO DEVELOP THAT PROPOSAL AND DO THAT EXPLORATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL TAKE THEM AT THIS TIME.
>> THAT'S OKAY, COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
I'M TRYING TO GET IT BACK. THE COLONY WEST ONE WHERE YOU SEE THE MAP PLEASE. THERE IT IS.
>> THE BLUE IS WELL BUT THE RED PART IS?
>> THIS IS THE WEST SIDE OF PINE ISLAND THE WEST SIDE OF THE FORCE THAT IS ALSO ANOTHER.
>> THIS IS A WEST SIDE OF PINE ISLAND ALSO BORDERED BY NOB HILL.
>> WAIT A SECOND. IT'S THE WEST SIDE OF PINE ISLAND?
>> WHAT'S THAT RED PART. WHAT'S THE RED?
>> THE RED PART IS THE COMMUNITY.
THE RED PART IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. YES.
>> BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S IN RED BECAUSE THE RED PART IS THE COMMUNITY.
>> THE RED PART IS NOT OUR PROPERTY.
>> THEY PLAY GOLF ON THAT ON THAT PART.
I'LL START BACKWARDS BECAUSE WE'RE ON GOLF.
WELL, I GUESS WE'LL START FORWARD THEN I'LL GO BACKWARDS.
>> FOR YEARS WHEN WE TOOK IT OVER, AND THE COURSE WAS STARTING AND WE WERE STUCK WITH THE DELAYS OF THAT WORD THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MENTION.
I'VE PLAYED A FEW TIMES, I'M NOT A GREAT GOLFER.
TALKING TO PEOPLE AND RESIDENTS AND ALL THIS STUFF KNOWING THAT WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ATTRACTION HERE.
I HAVE BROUGHT UP TO PREVIOUS CITY MANAGERS.
I'VE THEN BROUGHT IT UP LIKE A MANAGER IS, I'LL PUT AN S ON THAT.
I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY, HOPEFULLY, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN DO CARVE OUT NINE HOLES, MAKE IT A PAR 3 UNDER THE LIGHTS SO WE CAN HAVE SOME NIGHTTIME FUN.
BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE FAMILY-FRIENDLY AND KNOW THAT WE DON'T GO TO BED AT 7:00.
IT WOULD BE AN ATTRACTION THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW ALSO A PUPPET, SO FOR THE FAMILY FUN PART AS WELL.
YOU HAVE OUR SERIOUS GOLFERS PLAYING ON THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE.
YOU HAVE THE MORE FUN GOLFERS PLAYING ON PART OF THE BLADES OR EXECUTIVE COURSE, HAVE A FUN RESTAURANT, HAD SOMETHING TO DO.
WHEN WE HAVE THESE EVENTS THAT WE HOPEFULLY WILL BE HAVING AT OUR CLUBHOUSE AND SOME SERIOUS GOLF TOURNAMENTS, PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE FUN AND ENJOYMENT.
I KNOW THAT WE NEED SOME RESIDENTIAL AND SMART PLACES.
ALL THIS, OF COURSE, IN SMART PLACES ALONG THE COURSE, I'VE SPOKEN TO RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ALONG THE COURSE SOME ARE VERY MUCH FOR IT, SOME OF THEM ARE OKAY NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
SOME OF THEM THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE QUIET PROTECTIONS AND THEY DON'T WANT GOLF BALLS IN THEIR HOUSES.
THIS WOULD HOPEFULLY ALSO HELP SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE GETTING ERRANT GOLF BALLS COMING INTO THEIR HOME BY MAKING IT FOR PAR 3 IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO WHACK IT HARD.
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I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD USE FOR THE CITY AGAIN, MAKING IT A DOWNTOWN AND BRINGING IT ALL TO ONE FUN COMPLEX, AND KEEPING THE GOLF SPIRIT ALIVE FOR SOME OF IT.THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT ONE. YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
THAT WAS MY OTHER THING I WANTED THE DRIVING RANGE.
>> WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO ENTERTAIN A PROPOSAL FROM COWLEA TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT PROPERTY, AND THEN DEVELOP A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD HAVE ALL THE AMENITIES AND FEATURES THAT THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED, COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED, AND THEN GIVE US A DOCUMENT TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT THOSE.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. PERSONALLY, I'M ALL FOR THE TOP FIVE FOR INVESTIGATING WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO ON THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY.
NOW AS WE GO TO A NEW CITY HALL GOVERNMENT CENTER CAMPUS. BUT I WASN'T FINISHED.
>> YES, I'M MOVING FROM ONE TOPIC TO THE OTHER. WE WENT BACKWARDS.
I'M ALL FOR THIS NEW GOVERNMENT CAMPUS. I THINK WE NEED IT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL PART OF IT BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT WHATEVER MONEY THOUGH, WE EXPAND AND RECEIVE OR DO FIRE STATION 41.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT ORIGINALLY AND I BROUGHT THIS UP YEARS AGO FOR HAVING US HAVE THE STUDY BE DONE THEN, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS DONE THEN.
QUITE HONESTLY, WE BUDGETED, IN MY OPINION, I THOUGHT WE BUDGETED FOR THIS ALREADY FOR THIS STUDY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE STUDY WAS DONE AND WE SPEND THE MONEY.
BUT IF WE HADN'T EXPANDED THE MONEY, THEN AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE COMMISSION HAD ALREADY GIVEN PERMISSION TO HAVE A STUDY DONE ON A NEW CITY HALL, WHICH WAS INCLUDING THE FIRE STATION 41, WHICH WAS BUILT IN '78 BEFORE WE HAD FEMALE FIREFIGHTERS AND BSO BUILDING IN '88, WHICH HAS HAD SOME MINOR CHANGES.
AS MUCH AS IT HAS SOME PRINTED UP A LITTLE BIT THAT TOO NEED SOME STRONG MODIFICATIONS.
BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT SHOWS THAT WE WILL UTILIZE ANYTHING TO FIX UP 41, 41 NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT'S LOCATED DEFINITELY BECAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE 41 TO THE COMPOUND WAS RIGHT BY FIRE STATION 15 AND IT'S NOT NEEDED THERE.
BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO GIVE UPGRADES TO FIRE STATION 41, WHICH I THINK IS NOW THE OLDEST FIRE STATION WE HAVE WITHOUT HAVING ANY RENOVATIONS.
WE'VE DONE SOME MOLD REMEDIATION.
I CALL IT BAND-AIDS, BUBBLEGUM, AND DUCK TAPE.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN DONE MORE PROFESSIONALLY THAN THAT.
PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG. BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID COLONY WEST WAS YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE THERE IS LIKE HERE IS AN ISSUE.
YOU ONLY FIXED SO MUCH BEFORE THE CODE HAS CHANGED AND SAYS, NOW YOU'VE GOT TO FIX THIS AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS SO THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS ARE GOING TO GO UP.
YOU NEED TO FIX THIS, YOU NEED TO FIX THIS.
SO WE NEED TO FIX 41 IN ITS ENTIRETY SOMEHOW.
I AM NOT REALLY SURE I WANT TO SUPPORT A COMMUNITY CENTER ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO POTENTIALLY DO A COMMUNITY CENTER TO THE EAST WITH SHAKER VILLAGE.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE SHAKER VILLAGE PROJECT AGAIN, I WANT IT TO BE SMART AND MAKING SURE WE'RE USING FUNDS IN A WAY THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE USE AT OF IT VERSUS SPENDING MONEY WHERE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THE LEGAL ABILITY TO DO SO IN AN ENTANGLEMENT THAT WILL GET US POTENTIALLY NOWHERE.
THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS ON SHAKER VILLAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN BE TOLD THIS IF WE KNOW THIS NOW OR MAYBE LATER.
TAMARAC REC CENTER, HOW MUCH IS IT UTILIZED DURING THE DAY? HOW MUCH DOES THAT IN THE MULTIPURPOSE? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE REDOING THE MULTIPURPOSE CENTER.
IS THAT STILL IN THE CARDS, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT? DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER?
>> THAT'S NOT IN THE CARDS AT THIS POINT.
WHEN WE HAVE SOME STRATEGIC PLANNING, AND WE MAKE SOME PLANS AND WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH CERTAIN THINGS.
WHERE DID THAT STOP IN THE PROCESS? WHEN DID WE GET NOTIFIED THAT SOMETHING THAT SOME OF US BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GOING FORWARD IS NO LONGER GOING FORWARD? WHAT HAPPENED?
>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MAYOR, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
THAT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF PLANNING SESSIONS BACK, AND THEN SO IF GREG HAS AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
I KNOW THE REC CENTER AND THE MULTIPURPOSE CENTER AND IS UTILIZED QUITE HEAVILY.
>> ON UNIVERSITY. THE REC CENTER IS ON UNIVERSITY AND THE MULTIPURPOSE CENTER IS THE GYM PART OF IT THAT'S NEXT TO IT, AND THAT'S BETWEEN BY TAMARAC ELEMENTARY, AND THAT WE HAVE A SHARED AGREEMENT WITH SCHOOL.
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>> WE DO. FOR THE RECORD, GREG WARNER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, MAYOR, REGARDING THE USAGE OF THE RECREATION CENTER DURING THE DAY.
WE HAVE MOMMY AND ME TYPE CLASSES.
THROUGHOUT THE DAY, COOKING CLASSES, ADULT EXERCISE CLASSES ARE HELD THERE AS WELL.
THEN WE HAVE THE AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM STARTING DIRECTLY AFTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS OUT FOR THE DAY.
THE MULTIPURPOSE CENTER PROJECT.
IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CIP FOR 2026, BUT IT'S AN OUT-YEAR-VERY-LARGE NUMBER.
THAT PROJECT TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT HAS NOT BEEN KILLED.
IT'S STILL THERE, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FUNDING IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
>> BECAUSE THAT IS A UTILIZED PLACE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UTILIZED THAT POOR GYM NEEDS SOME TLC.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT IT'S HAD ENOUGH TLC.
WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING BASKETBALL AND YOU'RE GOING UP FOR A LAY-UP AND YOU SEE.
ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO PICK APART ARE BUILDING IT NEEDS SOME LOVE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY CERTAIN THINGS HAVE BEEN PUSHED IN OUR CIP FOR PLANNING.
MAYBE THAT'S ALSO A WORD HE DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR.
MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH MONEY AND STUFF.
THEN WHEN WE CUT THE BUDGET OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE CUT SOME OF THE FUNDING.
IF THAT'S WHAT HAS HAPPENED, I DO EXPECT TO BE TOLD THAT.
>> I'M SORRY, THAT PROJECT IS A TOTAL REDO A TEARDOWN, AND REDEVELOPED.
THE NUMBER THAT'S IN THERE OR THE PROJECT THAT'S IN THERE IS NOT A FIX-UP. IT'S A REDO.
>> THAT NUMBER IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO $30 MILLION AT THIS POINT.
>> BUT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO BE PLANNING ON.
WHEN WE'VE HAD ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, THAT HAS NOT COME BACK UP TO THE SURFACE TO DISCUSS A VERY HEAVILY UTILIZED PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, AND SAID WE'VE HAD OTHER PROJECTS JUMP THE LINE AND GET WORKED ON BEFORE THAT.
IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT I REALLY DO EXPECT THAT TO BE CONTINUALLY BE DISCUSSED SO IT DOESN'T FALL TO THE WAYSIDE ANY FURTHER THAN WHAT IT ALREADY SEEMS TO HAVE DROPPED DOWN IN PRIORITY, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS WHAT WE'VE EVER WANTED TO OR AT LEAST IT WASN'T DISCUSSED AS A POLICY TO SAY THAT THE TPC TO BE WITHIN THEM, NPC TO BE RENOVATED IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING I'M TELLING OUR RESIDENTS.
ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAMILY PLANNING IF PEOPLE GETTING NOT FAMILY PLANNING IN THAT SENSE BECAUSE I KNOW SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BUT FOR PEOPLE AND FAMILIES GETTING OUTSIDE AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT.
ALSO, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE SOME OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS OUT THERE.
IS THAT ALL PART OF THAT SAME PROGRAM OR IS THAT COMING FORWARD?
>> THAT IS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT TAMARAC PARK? TAMARAC PARK THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT AND WE CARVED OUT THE LIGHTING FOR THIS YEAR'S CIP, WE DO HAVE THE REDO OF THE FIELDS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 IN THE CAPITAL PROJECT LINE ITEM FOR FY25 BUDGET.
WHAT THAT WILL INCLUDE IS MAKE THOSE SOFTBALL FIELDS, MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS, SO THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THEM MORE FOR ALL THE SPORTS AND TO ALSO WALKING PATHS.
>> WHAT I DO GET A LOT FROM IS OUR FIELDS ARE SO GOOD AND THEY'RE ALWAYS TAKEN.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE FOR CRICKET, I'VE HAD PEOPLE FOR FOOTBALL AND FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, ALL SAYING THAT THEY WANT MORE AND MORE ACTION OUT OF OUR FIELDS AND MORE USE OF ABLE TO USE IT MORE AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY.
BUT I HAVE TROUBLE WITH COMMUNITY CENTER BEING SO FAR WEST IN OUR CITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE UTILIZED ENOUGH, MAYBE THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE SURVEY IS GOING TO TELL US.
GO AHEAD. YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND THAT'S GOING TO BE FINALIZED VERY SHORTLY IS ONE OF THOSE ON-DEMAND RIDE SERVICES.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CALL AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND YOU GET TO RIDE WITHIN TAMARAC LIMITS AND SO TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE EASIER WITHIN TAMARAC LIMITS.
>> I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT GOES WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER,
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BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WEST SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, JUST AT THAT BLOCK AS WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW UTILIZED IT'S GOING TO BE RIDESHARE OR NO RIDESHARE.THE WHOLE RIDESHARE CONVERSATION IS ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
BUT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO BRING SOME ADDITIONAL CULTURAL ARTS TO OUR CITY.
WHOSE PROGRAMMING IT? IS IT GOING TO WIND UP BEING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO WIND UP HAVING A THEATER THAT NOBODY IS UTILIZING OR SHOULD WE BE DOING A JOINT USE WITH KINGS POINT AND IT'S PALACE THAT DOESN'T USE THEIR PROPERTY AS MUCH ANYMORE.
WE HEARD SOME STUFF LAST NIGHT THAT THEY STARTED OPENING IT UP.
THEY'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.
SO AS A CASE AND WHY SHOULD WE SPEND ALL THAT EXTRA MONEY ON A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IF WE CAN DO A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OVER THERE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> PART OF THE PROCESS, MAYOR, IS TO FIND OUT EXACTLY THAT AND WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH COLLEAGUES AND FIND OUT WHAT AMENITIES WOULD BE SUPPORTED AND DESIRED BY THE COMMUNITY AND BY THE COMMISSION.
>> THOSE ARE MY TWO CENTS ON EACH.
THAT'S A WHOLE DOLLAR OF PROBABLY WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT 20 MILLION.
>> CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE WE SHOW AN ISLAND ON THE COLONY WEST? IT WAS THE OTHER ONE.
>> VICE MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME INTERRUPTING.
I WAS IN THE BATHROOM WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COLONY WEST.
IF YOU GUYS CAN GIVE ME A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.
>> IT IS LAURIE TEXTS ME AND SO IT'S JUST TWO DIFFERENT SHADING THAT THEY PUT IN TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS, IT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL SO THAT'S THE CITY.
THIS IS STAFF HAS REQUESTED IN TODAY JUST CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION RELATIVE TO HAVING COLLIERS HELPING US WITH A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO REDEVELOP THIS PORTION OF THE CITY PROPERTY, THIS PORTION OF THE GOLF COURSE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL, MAYBE SMALL RETAIL, ENTERTAINMENT TYPE USES.
I KNOW THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT PUTT-PUTT GOLF AND SOME OTHER USES THAT MIGHT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
BUT COLLIER'S WOULD LOOK AT THIS, ASSESS THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY, WHETHER A PARTNERSHIP, THE COST IF WE WERE TO SELL THE PROPERTY, BRING THAT BACK TO US AT A COST OF $12,500 FOR THAT FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS.
WE EXPECT TO HAVE THE PROPOSALS BOTH FOR THIS AS WELL AS FOR THE GOVERNMENT FACILITY ON THE JULY 12 AGENDA PROVIDED WE RECEIVED CONSENSUS TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> THE BLUE AREA IS POTENTIALLY WHERE WE WANT TO DEVELOP.
>> WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE COLONY WEST IS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE WEST SIDE.
THE WEST SIDE THAT GOES INTO WHOSE DISTRICT? THAT IS IT DISTRICT 2 OR 4 OR 3? DISTRICT 2? THESE GOLF COURSES, THESE PARCELS, THESE ARE A BUDDING OTHER HOMES?
>> YEAH, IT'S A MIXTURE OF TOWN HOMES, MULTIFAMILY, HIGH-RISE, THAT'S THERE.
IT'S REALLY ON THE WEST SIDE BORDER UNDER THE WEST SIDE, BY NOB HILL AND ON THE EAST SIDE BY PINE ISLAND.
IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE YOU'D GO TO THE COLONY WEST FACILITIES, ESSENTIALLY.
ALL OF THAT GOING BACK TO NOB HILL.
IT'S A MIXTURE OF MULTIFAMILY THAT'S IN THERE.
THERE'S SOME TOWN HOMES THAT'S IN THERE AS WELL, AND SOME SINGLE-FAMILY.
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>> YOU'RE SAYING A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL?
>> WE'RE SAYING PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE'RE THINKING THAT IT MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER IT BE ON NOB HILL OR IN PINE ISLAND TO INTRODUCE SOME ENTERTAINMENT USES, SOME LIGHT DETAIL, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO HELP US TO DETERMINE.
WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME SMALL OPPORTUNITIES FOR RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT TYPE USES BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE, BUT PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.
>> THAT WOULD INCLUDE CITY HALL PROPERTY.
>> IT'S THE PART OF THE GOLF COURSE AS WELL.
IT'S A DIFFERENT PARCEL, SO IT WAS SHADED THAT WAY.
>> PARCEL ID SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS SHADED THAT WAYS BUT IT'S STILL A PORTION OF THE GOLF COURSE.
>> THE CITY HALL PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. THIS IS THE PROPOSAL FOR COLONY WEST GLADES GOLF COURSE.
LET ME JUST GO BACK. GUYS, I DIDN'T DO THAT EITHER, THAT OR I CAN'T MANAGE THIS QUICKER.
LET'S SEE HERE. ALL IN THE BUDGET. I'M DRIVING.
>> DRIVING UP TESLA OR A FORD?
>> THIS IS AN OVERVIEW SO THE EXISTENCE CITY HALL IS UP TOP AND THEN THE FUTURE GOVERNMENTS AND OUR CAMPUS IS BELOW AND THEN ONE SLIDE, AND THEN THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE COURSE NOW.
>> THE TOP RIGHT IS, OF COURSE.
>> THE ALREADY EXISTED IN BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR IT PUBLIC SERVICES ALL THOSE OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE EXISTING ON THIS PROPERTY THAT'S PLUS OR MINUS 27, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING OUR NEW GOVERNMENT CAMPUS BE RELOCATED TO.
>> IN THIS CITY HALL PROPERTY IS IN WHAT DISTRICT?
>> NOB HILL DISTRICT TOO AS WELL.
>> POTENTIALLY, WE WOULD BE KNOCKING DOWN THIS BUILDING UNDER THIS PROPOSAL AND BUILDING ON IT.
THEN MOVING CITY HALL FURTHER WEST.
>> THE FEASIBILITY IS GOING TO HELP US TO LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS AS WELL.
BECAUSE THIS COULD BE USED EITHER THROUGH THESE CENTRAL SALE AS LEVERAGE TO HELP TO FUND THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF OUR GOVERNMENT FACILITIES SO WE'D HAVE THIS PROPERTY TO USE AS LEVERAGE, WHETHER YOU ARE A PART OF OUR PARTNERSHIP, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROPOSAL BRINGS FORWARD IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO FINANCE OUR NEW GOVERNMENT FACILITY.
YOU HAVE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINANCE THAT PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY CENTER ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AS AN OPTION OF FINANCING AS WELL.
SO IT'S LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT WITH THE INTENT, OF COURSE, TO BUILD A NEW GOVERNMENT FACILITY FOR NOW; SO THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE REPURPOSED.
>> WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE BUILDING ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER PROPERTY AS WELL, ON COMMERCIAL?
>> THAT TOO WOULD BE REPURPOSED.
IT WOULD BE A PART OF THE OVERALL PLAN TO HELP TO FINANCE THE EFFORTS OF THE GOVERNMENT FACILITY.
>> WE WOULD REPURPOSE THE COMMUNITY CENTER ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD AND PINE ISLAND AND WHAT UNIVERSITY WHERE IS THAT?
>> THE EXISTING COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WE HAVE; IS THAT IN THIS PROPOSAL?
>> YES. IT WOULD BE A PART OF OUR NEW GOVERNMENT CAMPUS.
OUR NEW GOVERNMENT CAMPUS ON NOB HILL.
>> THAT WOULDN'T BE MOVED TO NOB HILL.
>> IT WOULD HAVE ALL THESE USES.
>> OKAY, SO WHAT WOULD WE PUT AT THE EXISTING COMMUNITY CENTER?
>> IT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE, TO SEE WHETHER WE COULD REPURPOSE, WHETHER WE COULD SELL THAT, WHETHER WE COULD REDEVELOP THAT AS A PART OF THE OVERALL FINANCING OF THIS EFFORT.
>> RE-PURPOSE IT TO MORE RESIDENTIAL OR MAYBE MIXED-USE OR.
>> MAYBE COMMERCIAL, MAYBE RESTAURANTS IT'S ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD.
IT'S PRIME PROPERTY, SO IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE, TO SEE THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE TO HELP US TO FINANCE
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THIS EFFORT WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE, IS A GRAND EFFORT.>> TAMARAC VILLAGE, THE DEVELOPERS THERE ARE GIVING US BACK THE PROPERTY OR WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE?
>> ON THE AGENDA FOR JUNE 28 IS A TERMINATION OF THE GROUND NICE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL, THE CITY IS ELECTING THE TERMINATION OPTION UNDER THE LEASE.
>> WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THE COMMERCIAL IS NO LONGER FEASIBLE FOR THEM?
>> NO. AS YOU RECALL, THE LEASE PROVIDES FOR REPOSITIONING OPTION, WHICH THEY CAN ELECT TO DO, WHICH IS TO BUILD MORE MULTI-FAMILY OR THE CITY AFTER RECEIVING THAT REPOSITIONING OPTION CAN DETERMINE WHETHER WE WANT TO TAKE IT OR WE WANT TO TERMINATE.
THEY SUBMITTED LAST YEAR THE REPOSITIONING OPTION AND PROVIDED A SITE PLAN WITH SOME MULTIFAMILY AND REMEMBER AT THAT TIME WE ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION FOR US TO CONSIDER HOW WE WOULD RESPOND.
>> THEIR POSITION IS THAT THEY PREFER TO PUT RESIDENTIAL THERE BECAUSE COMMERCIAL IS NOT FEASIBLE FOR THEM.
>> THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT IT WASN'T FEASIBLE THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL BUILDER AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN.
>> IF THEY ARE RESIDENTIAL BUILDER, THEN THAT MEANS THEY HAD NO INTENTION OF BUILDING COMMERCIAL.
I WAS IN A WORKSHOP SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD DIFFERENT MANAGEMENT AND I LOOKED AT THE DEVELOPER, I THINK MOST OF YOU WILL REMEMBER BECAUSE YOU HAVE VERY GOOD MEMORIES ON CONVENIENCE.
I SAID TO THE DEVELOPER WHILE HE WAS HERE, I SAID, WATCH THIS DEVELOPMENT BECOME ALL RESIDENTIAL. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? YES? AS IT IS NOW, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S NOT BEING PROFIT FIRE, THAT'S ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING TRENDS AND UNDERSTANDING WHERE THINGS ARE GOING. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> THE COMMERCIAL IS FEASIBLE AND AS A PART OF THAT ITEM I'M GOING TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M SURE IT IS BECAUSE PLANTATION IS DOING IT AND ALL THESE OTHER CITIES WERE DOING IT TAMARAC IS NOT DOING IT.
BUT TO BRING THIS PONY SHOW THAT WE PROBABLY COULD DO COMMERCIAL AND THAT'S THE STUFF WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOW, FOR INSTANCE, HYPOTHETICALLY, AT THE CHEDDAR'S PROPERTY TO PUT COMMERCIAL THERE WHEN RESIDENTS ARE COMPLAINING THAT, HEY, WE DON'T WANT MORE RESIDENTIAL, WE WANT COMMERCIAL.
AS IT IS NOW ALL OF THE PLACES IN TAMARAC THAT COULD BE COMMERCIAL, INCLUDING TAMARAC VILLAGE IS POINTING TO RESIDENTIAL.
WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A GLIMMER OF HOPE HERE TO PUT COMMERCIAL.
HELP ME MAKE THAT DECISION BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS.
>> YEAH. FOR THE GOVERNMENT CAMPUS, WE'RE NOT TALKING STRAIGHT OUT COMMERCIAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT WHAT'S THERE; SO WE'RE TALKING YOUR COFFEE SHOP, YOUR STARBUCKS, YOUR DUNKIN' DONUTS BECAUSE WE ARE [OVERLAPPING]
>> RESIDENTS DON'T WANT DUNKIN' DONUTS OR STARBUCKS.
I WAS INKING IS POINT LAST NIGHT AND THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID AND A COUPLE OF THEM ARE MY FRIENDS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT THEY SAID LEAST ALL DAY THEY TRUST MY POLITICAL JUDGMENT TOO.
THEY SAID, WE DON'T WANT NO MORE FAST FOODS.
WE DON'T WANT THESE THINGS, WE WANT FIND DONE IT.
>> THEY SAID IT, THEY WANT UP SCALE MORTON'S COLUGOS.
COLLUDE PRIME 1112 MORTON'S STEAKHOUSE.
>> THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT IS ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS FREMONT, THAT COMMUNITY CENTER PROPERTY OR YOUR DINING UP.
>> LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAD RIGHT NEXT TO TAMARAC VILLAGE.
WHAT IS THERE NOW? POLLO TROPICAL.
>> IT IS A BUSINESS IN OUR CITY.
BUT I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE KING'S POINT RESIDENTS WHO LAST NIGHT SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT YOUR TROPICAL, WE DON'T WANT MCDONALD'S, WE DON'T WANT FAST FOOD CHAIN, WE WANT SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO POSITION COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD INTO MORE COMMERCIAL,
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AND WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE RESIDENTIAL.I'M JUST SAYING WE CAN PULL BACK TO THIS PROJECT ALL WE WANT, BUT SOMEBODY SPOKE ABOUT SHAKER VILLAGE DURING THIS PROJECT [OVERLAPPING]
>> SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE UNIFORM.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER, WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN IT'S OUR PROPERTY, WHEN IT'S CITY-OWNED PROPERTY, WE HAVE MORE OF AN ABILITY TO ASK FOR AND TO POSITION IT THE WAY WE'D LIKE.
>> MS. CALLOWAY, WE ARE POLICYMAKERS.
I CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY TO YOU ALL I WANT BECAUSE WE SPEAK THE SAME LINGO.
MS. CALLOWAY, IF OUR MASTER PLAN AND OUR STRATEGIES COMPREHENSIVE THIS AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE THAT SAYS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT BECAUSE WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING LAST NIGHT.
IF WE SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT ANY DEVELOPER COMES TO US WITH.
WE SAY IT DOESN'T FIT OUR MASTERPLAN.
IT DOESN'T FIT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
DON'T SAY THAT, OH, WE HAVE MORE LEVERAGE WHEN IT'S THE CITY PROPERTY.
NO. YOU HAVE MORE LEVERAGE WHEN WE PLAN OUT 2040.
LET'S NOT GO THERE. YOU CAN USE THAT TO NEW COMMISSIONERS BUT BIG MOUTH OPEN DON'T DO IT.
MS. CALLOWAY POLICY SPEAKS, PROJECT SPEAKS DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DEVELOPER IT IS. THAT'S A METAL [INAUDIBLE].
>> THERE'S SOME CAVEATS TO THAT THOUGH.
>> THEN WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $15,000 TO STUDY.
BUT ON OTHER PROJECTS, WE CAN'T SPEND MONEY TO DO TITLE WORK AND DO DILIGENCE.
IT'S NOT A PROBLEM HERE, BUT IT'S A PROBLEM THERE.
WE CAN SPEND HERE, BUT WE CAN'T SPEND THERE.
>> DO I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR? ONE HOUR.
>> YOU HAVE TIME CONSTRAINT [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. WELL, IF WE HAD HAD A TIME CONSTRAINT DURING THE DAY FOR ONE HOUR OF COMMENTARY.
>> YOUR HOUR AND HALF IS OVER.
>> MS. CALLOWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF $12,500 IS GOOD USE OF CITY MONEY TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO FIND OUT IF WE CAN DO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER IT IS.
>> EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
>> I MADE SURE THAT I CLARIFIED BASED ON HOW THE MAP IS SITUATED.
I CLARIFIED WHAT COMMUNITIES THEY ARE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE THE COMMUNITIES THAT I WALKED.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM A WALKING THAT THESE COMMUNITIES WILL BURN THIS PROJECT ALIVE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT MORE RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT YOU SAID WAS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL AND A LITTLE COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, RIGHT? WEST OF PINE ISLAND.
MORE COMMERCIAL, LITTLE RESIDENT, LITTLE COMMERCIAL ALONG PINE ISLAND. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID.
FOR THE RECORD, I'M NEUTRAL AT THIS POINT.
FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT POSITIONED TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT MORE RESIDENTIAL.
RESIDENTS WANT MORE COMMERCIAL.
I'M NOT POISED TO SAY YES TO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT YET SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER OUT EAST.
MY RESIDENTS OUT EAST SAY THAT OUR COMMUNITY'S CENTER ON COMMERCIAL AND UNIVERSITY OF PINE ISLAND, IS TOO FAR FOR THEM TO GET TO.
YOU WANT ME TO GIVE CONSENSUS FOR A PLAN TO MOVE CITY HALL TO NOB HILL?
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IN THIS PLAN, FARTHER WEST, WITHOUT KNOWING IF WE'RE GOING TO GET US A COMMUNITY CENTER CLOSER EAST.MS. CALLOWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A CBD CARD, [LAUGHTER]
>> BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU REALLY DO.
NOT RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT FOR THIS.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE CAN MAINTAIN AND FIX AND START LISTENING TO RESIDENCE FOR A CHANGE IN DISTRICT 2 AND DISTRICT 3. GO AHEAD.
>> THANK YOU. MAYOR. NOW YOU WOULD THINK AFTER SEVEN YEARS, PEOPLE WOULD KNOW EVERY CORNER OF THE CITY. I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I'M FINE OUT IN WEST TO HAVE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIAL OR ANYTHING THAT'S BUSINESS WISE INSIDE THE COURSE. THAT'S OBVIOUS.
YOU CAN PROBABLY SLAP HIM ON, ON NOB HILL AND THE EAST SIDE OF NOB HILL, WHICH WOULD BE THAT RIGHT TOP CORNER STARTING THERE, WHERE WE HAVE OUR SCULPTURES.
THE COURSE IS REALLY BAD, ISN'T IT? GOLF COURSE IT SUCKS. THE DARK BLUE.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT TO THE COMMISSION.
>> THIS IS NOT A PROJECT FOR DEVELOPMENT, IS WE'RE EXPLORING, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT HIGHEST AND BEST AND THE BEST WAY TO DEVELOP IF WE CHOOSE TO, PRIMARILY TO LOOK AT COSTS FOR THE PROPERTY AND BEST TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP THAT WOULD BRING US.
>> JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE REQUEST THAT WE DID NOT USE ANY DEVELOPER THAT THE CITY HAS USED IN THE PAST.
TO VICE MAYOR'S POINT, WHICH IS VERY TRUE.
I'M JUST GOING TO BE WILLING TO FIRST TIMES I THINK EVER AGREE PUBLICLY WITH HIM.
THE CONTRACTS, I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO THIS COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THAT CONTRACT AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO IT.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, JKM, AND AS FAR AS TAMARAC VILLAGE GOES, THERE, RENTS WERE SO HIGH THAT THEY WERE RUNNING PEOPLE AWAY.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN REAL ESTATE, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE WAS.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLIENTS IN THEY WERE LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE PAYING THAT RENT AND YOU LOOK AROUND THE AREA, THEY WERE NOT IN THE SAME ATMOSPHERE, SAME PLAYING FIELD WHEN IT CAME TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PRICE, THE CAM PRICE.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THIS COMMISSION SHALL I GO FORWARD THAT WE DETERMINED EXACTLY WHAT THAT CONTRACT SAYS, AND THAT WE DON'T GET SCREWED OVER BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, ANYTHING ON TAMARAC VILLAGE.
I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE DRIVING ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, SEE ANYTHING THAT'S RELEVANT TO ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
YOU'RE DRIVING AND YOU'RE PASSING BY UNLESS YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT THAT STORE EXIST IN THERE, NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I WOULD SAY THAT NO CONTRACTORS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY USED VIEWS IN MY OPINION.
>> COMMISSIONER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT.
>> I'M JUST SHARING MY THOUGHTS.
YEAH. I KNOW WHAT THIS IS. FOR ME, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
I'M JUST SHARING MY THOUGHTS. THAT'S ABOUT IT.
I THINK IT'S GREAT. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.
I THINK THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS GREAT.
BUT AS VICE MAYOR BOLTON SAID AS WELL THE COMMUNITY CENTER OUT EAST.
I'M NOT SAYING VILLAGE, BUT DEFINITELY NEEDED.
>> COMMISSIONER DANIEL. OKAY. NEVER MIND? COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
INTERESTINGLY, A COUPLE OF SATURDAYS IF I WENT INTO A GOLF TOURNAMENT AND I WAS DRIVING ALONG THE GOLF COURSE AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, MAN, WE JUST GIVE OVER THE WOODLANDS, SUCH A BEAUTIFUL OPEN AREA.
I WAS LIKE, WE OWN COLONY WEST,
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WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.NOW, I'M SEEING THAT WE WANT TO PUT UP 77 ACRES.
IT'S TWO COURSES. THE WEST, SAME TYPE, TWO COURSES.
BUT THIS IS STILL THESE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES LOVE THE EFFECT OF HAVING THE GOLF COURSE, LOVE THE GREENERY.
MAKING A COMMERCIAL THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, THAT'S BEHIND OF TAMARAC VILLAGE IN THOSE PLACES.
IF IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD WHERE TAMARAC VILLAGE IS AT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASIER, AND THE BACK END, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SEEMS LIKE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, AND I WILL BE LIKE MAHATMA GANDHI, HAVE A HUNGER STRIKE IF YOU DECIDE TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
IN REFERENCE TO THE CITY HALL, THAT'S THE WEST OF NOB HILL, WHICH IS IN MY DISTRICT AS WELL, THE NEW CITY HALL.
I AGREE IT'S NOT IN A CENTRAL, WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT IN MY DISTRICT.
SO THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
PEOPLE CAN COME FROM ALL OVER.
WE DO NEED A NEW POLICE COMPLEX.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY REALLY NEEDS IN TERMS OF MODERNIZATION AND MAKING A CITY VERY ATTRACTIVE.
I WOULD AGREE WITH VICE MAYOR, BOLTON, IT'S FAR WEST.
IT'S NOT A CENTRALIZED LOCATION FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
I THINK THE MAYOR MENTIONED THE CITY IS SHAPED LIKE, WHAT DID YOU MENTION IS SHAPED LIKE?
>> A RECTANGLE, A SQUARE, AND [INAUDIBLE]
THIS IS AT THE BACK OF THE SQUARE FOR PEOPLE.
WHILE THE RIDE-SHARING IS A BRILLIANT IDEA IN TERMS OF THE FREEBIE AND HAVING THAT TYPE OF STUFF, I THINK THAT ALLEVIATES SOME OF THE PROCESS OF GETTING THERE.
BUT I THINK HAVING WEST ISN'T NECESSARILY A CENTRAL LOCATION.
BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF RETAIL.
I LIKE THAT IS OF RESIDENTIAL.
I'VE BEEN TO THE MIRAMAR CULTURAL CENTER MANY TIME.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA WHERE ALL THAT IS LOCATED.
BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WE CAN COPY AND MIMIC OTHER CITIES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO ADD OUR OWN FLAVOR, SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT US.
SOMETIMES ECONOMIC CYCLES HAVE UPS AND DOWNS AND WE FOLLOW A TREND.
SO IT'S EASIER TO GIVE AWAY LAND NOTE TO DEVELOPERS BECAUSE IT'S MONEY.
BUT WE ALSO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND SAVING SOMETHING AND HAVING SOMETHING.
BUT WHEN THE ECONOMIC CYCLE CHANGES, IF WE GIVE ALL OUR LANDLORD BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT IS COOL, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN GREEN SPACES BECOME COOL AGAIN AND DEVELOPMENT IS NOT AS COOL? SOME THINGS WE CAN QUANTIFY, AND AS A CITY, HAVING OPEN SPACES AND GREEN SPACES, THAT IS STILL BENEFICIAL TO US.
THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE.
I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE COLONY WEST OPTION AT ALL.
>> I WOULDN'T WANT THAT BECAUSE THAT GOLF COURSE, THOSE PEOPLE PAID FOR THAT GOLF COURSE, IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
THE CITY HALL, WE DO NEED A NEW CITY HALL.
THE COMMUNITY CENTER PART OF IT, I WILL AGREE WITH THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES AND THAT ASPECT OF IT.
BUT OVERALL, FOR ME THESE WILL BENEFIT MY DISTRICT, BUT I VOTE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF TAMARAC.
IF WE CAN FIND A MORE CENTRALIZED LOCATION WHERE PEOPLE ON ALL SIDES OF TAMARAC, DISTRICT 4, DISTRICT 2, DISTRICT 3 CAN BE ABLE TO ACCESS CITY HALL AND IT'S MORE UNDER COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, THE MORE CENTRAL LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE BUS TRAFFIC AND THE MODULAR TRANSPORTATION THAT WE PROPOSE, I THINK THAT WILL BE A BETTER LOCATION.
>> IF I CAN JUST SPEAK TO THAT, THIS WAS IDEAL BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE OUR EXISTING ASSETS.
CLEARLY, WE DON'T OWN PROPERTY THAT'S CENTRAL.
THIS IS PROPERTY THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN.
WE HAVE IN OUR ASSET, PLUS OR MINUS 27 ACRES IN SIZE THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE ITS USE.
I DO AGREE IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD OWNED PROPERTY SOMEWHERE THAT CENTRALIZED WHERE WE COULD SAY, OKAY, WE CAN, BUT AS IT IS NOW, WE ARE DISJOINTED.
OTHER FACILITIES ARE ON NOB HILL.
WE HAVE CRIME PROPERTY ON NOB HILL, ALMOST 30 ACRES IN SIZE THAT'S IDEAL FOR THIS TYPE OF REDEVELOPMENT.
>> YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR.
I THINK THEY'D WANT IT IN SUNRISE.
SUNRISE HAS BEEN THE NEW CITY CENTER COMPLEX THERE ON OAKLAND.
LIKE I SAID, MIRAMAR, THEY STARTED PUTTING UP APARTMENTS AS WELL.
DISLOCATION IS PERFECT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE IN THE THOUGHTS OF ALL THE RESIDENTS AND FACT THAT WAS SHAPED LIKE THIS HORSESHOE.
>> COMMISSIONER, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, THIS IS TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
IF YOU NOTICE THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE PRICE TAGS.
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FOR THE CITY HALL COMPLEX, THAT PROPOSAL WAS $79,000.FOR THAT ASSESSMENT WOULD INCLUDED A SPACE STUDY, INCLUDED SOME STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS WITH STAFF, WITH ALL OF YOU, WITH RESIDENTS AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.
THE COLONY WEST PROJECT, THAT IS SEPARATE, AND THAT WAS 12,000, I BELIEVE 500 WAS THE COST FOR THAT PROPOSAL.
>> BUT I WOULD AGREE, SOMETIMES THE BEST IDEAS DON'T COME FROM US.
THEY DON'T COME FROM CONSULTANTS.
BUT THE BEST IDEAS COME FROM RESIDENTS.
I THINK VICE MAYOR BOLTON ECHOED THAT.
I'VE BEEN TO THREE OF THESE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND WANTING FOR SHOWS, THEY WANT COMMERCIAL RESTAURANTS.
THEY WANT SOME PLACE TO BE MORE ENGAGING AND EXCITING.
ONE LADY SAID LAST NIGHT, SHE'S NOT OLD, SHE'S ACTIVE, 55 IS NOT OLD ANYMORE.
THOSE PEOPLE IN KINGS POINT, THEY HAVE A NICE PERFORMING ARTS THEATER.
THAT'S MY FIRST TIME GOING THERE.
I THOUGHT I WAS SOME PLACE IN BROADWAY.
IT WAS A VERY NICE AND LOVELY PLACE.
AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR US TO BE BUILDING ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE AND COMPETING WITH THAT.
WELL, WE HAVE THAT ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF OTHER THINGS ARE SIMILAR LIKE OTHER CITIES, BUT CERTAIN THINGS WE ALREADY HAVE AND WE CAN JUST MAKE THEM EVEN BETTER.
>> I AGREE, AND THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO HELP US TO DETERMINE WHAT USES ARE GOING TO BE MOST VIABLE ON THIS PROPERTY, WITH THE PRIMARY USE BEING A NEW CITY HALL.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TWO THINGS.
THE GOLF COURSE THAT'S IN QUESTION, THIS GOLF COURSE COMPLETELY SUCKS.
THERE'S HOLES EVERYWHERE, WHEN IT GETS WET, IT'S REALLY MUGGY.
THAT'S NOT THE COURSE THAT WE USE TO DO FUNDRAISERS.
THE COURSE THAT WE DO FUNDRAISERS IS MAGNIFICENT.
THIS SPECIFIC COURSE, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO ONCE YOU GET TO THE FIFTH AND SIXTH AND SEVENTH HALL.
IT'S JUST TERRIBLE. THE WHOLE COURSE JUST SUCKS.
SO MAYBE I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COMMISSION TO JUST TAKE THE GOLF CARTS, DRIVE THROUGH IT AND REALLY LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT'S A WASTELAND.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I WALKED BY THAT GOLF COURSE EVERY DAY, ESPECIALLY ALONG PINE ISLAND BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING EVERY DAY.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S AN OLD DILAPIDATED GOLF BALLS AT ALL, THERE'S PEOPLE PLAYING.
>> WE GET TO PLAY, BUT SUCKS IS THAT IT'S TO THE LEFT OVER, WHAT DO YOU CALL THE CHAMPIONS?
>> THE CHIEF OF COURSE. ONCE THE CHAMPION IS FULFILLED, THEY STARTED THROWING EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT SIDE.
WHEN YOU GET TO THAT SIDE, YOU'RE LIKE, "I'M NEVER COMING BACK HERE." AND I KNOW THAT FROM EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I TALKED TO THE GOLFERS WHEN THEY HAVE CHAMPIONS' CHIPS, WHEN THE SHOW FROM A SHOP COME DOWN FROM CANADA, FROM NEW YORK, WHEREVER THEY'RE COMING FROM, WHATEVER EVENT THEY'RE HAVING, I GET THE FEEDBACK FROM IT.
CHAMPION COURSE. GREAT. THE OTHER ONE EXECUTIVE, IT'S A LITTLE [BACKGROUND]
>> THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY LOVES THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS IN THAT COMMUNITY.
AND INTERESTINGLY, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS TOLD ME YOU BOUGHT A PROPERTY, ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES THE LEMONS, YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY ROOM? I'M ALWAYS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
I SEE HOW THE RESIDENT LOVE THE GOLF COURSE, HOLD OF GREEN SPACES.
MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON YOU LOVE THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
>> ONE THING ABOUT KINGS POINT THEATER THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, THE BOARD NOW IS AMENABLE TO SAYING, LET'S DO THIS TO INCREASE REVENUE.
BUT I'M AFRAID THAT AT ONE POINT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WE DON'T WANT THE CITY, PEOPLE OR ANYONE OUTSIDE OF KINGS POINT COMING TO OUR OUR THEATER BECAUSE IT GETS RUN DOWN.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THAT PARTNERSHIP AND JUST SAY, ALL THE DOORS ARE OPEN FOR YOU.
I'M A LITTLE BIT SKETCH ON THAT, ESPECIALLY THAT A FIRE STATION WAS PROPOSED SEVERAL TIMES TO THEM AT THE KING'S COURT, AND WAS DENIED BY PREVIOUS BOARD MEMBERS OR A TRAY BOARDS.
MAYBE THEY'RE IMMUTABLE NOW TO OPEN UP A EMS, JUST A LITTLE SIDE THING.
BUT, THAT'S MY TAKE ON THOSE TWO.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER.
ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU WERE IN THE RESTAURANT, DID YOU HEAR SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT COULD GO INTO WHEN YOU WERE IN THE RESTROOM ABOUT BEING A NINE WHOLE UNDER THE LIGHTS POWER 3, WHICH IS STILL GOLF WHICH IS STILL ACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND WHATNOT ON THE COURSE?
[06:25:07]
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.REMEMBER, DISTRICT 2, I LOVE ALL THE DISTRICTS THAT I KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I APPRECIATE. WELL, THE PEOPLE THAT MARLIN TALKS TO SO EVERYBODY HATES ME, SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT YES, WE DID HEAR FROM LAST NIGHT FROM KINGS POINT RESIDENTS, SO WE'VE HEARD FROM DISTRICT 4 RESIDENTS.
FEW FROM DISTRICT 2 WHICH WE'LL HEAR AGAIN.
EVENTUALLY, NEXT WEEK WE'LL HEAR FROM DISTRICT 1.
BUT, THE PREDOMINANT THING THAT WE'RE HEARING IS WE NEED MORE COMMERCIALLY OR ACTIVE.
WE ARE ALSO, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR TO TELL US, WE'RE NOT DESTITUTE.
DON'T TREAT US LIKE WE'RE DESTITUTE.
WE WILL PAY FOR THE SERVICES, WE WILL PAY FOR WHAT'S GOOD.
WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY IN OUR CITY.
WE HAVE DISCRETIONARY INCOME, AND WE WANT TO SPEND IT HERE.
TAKING ALL THAT ENERGY FROM ALL THREE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD IS WHAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY'S HEARING OR CITY STAFF'S HEARING.
WHILE I DO THINK PUTTING CITY HALL ALL THE WAY OVER HERE IS PUTTING US ALL THE WAY OVER HERE AT THE SAME TOKEN.
NOT MANY PEOPLE COME TO OUR MEETING, SO WE DO HAVE TO BALANCE WHAT IS THE BEST FOR THE CITY AND HAVING IF IT'S BEST TO HAVE A WHOLE BIG COMPLEX OR A WHOLE CITY TEAM IS ON ONE PARCEL, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I'M NOT SO GEARED UP ON THE IDEA OF GETTING RID OF OUR COMMUNITY CENTER.
I THINK OUR COMMUNITY-CENTER NEED SOME AWESOME TLC WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IT IN.
WE DID NOT REALIZE HOW VALUABLE IT WOULD BE WHEN IT WENT UP.
I WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, BUT IT IS USED A LOT.
I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME USE TO STILL KEEP A COMMUNITY CENTER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT PUTTING IN SOME RETAIL RESTAURANT.
I KNOW OUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, SHE LOVES HER PROPERTY.
THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD SHE WANTS TO SELL IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HER IS INTERESTED IN SELLING.
WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO SOME KIND OF DEAL FOR UPGRADING SOME COMMERCIAL SETS THERE, WHATEVER, BUT THAT ALSO GOES BACK TO OUR FACADE PROGRAM THAT MAY BE GOING ON.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR IS REASONABLE, AND I AGREE WITH KINGS POINT, WHATEVER THE PALACE WE'RE USING, WE PROBABLY WOULD PUT EVERYTHING INTO A CONTRACT TO KNOW FIRST OF ALL, SO IT WILL BE HELD THAT WAY BEFORE WE WOULD JUST SAY, OH, THIS BOARD CAN OVERTURN IT.
BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU NEVER KNOW. ANYHOW, CITY HALL, JUST FOR SOME HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, WAS ONCE IN SUNSHINE PLAZA WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TURNPIKE IN DISTRICT 1.
IT WAS ALSO IN SECTION 1 CLUBHOUSE IN THE WOODLANDS.
IT THEN WAS IN THE BLOCK AT THE JEHOVAH WITNESS BUILDING.
THEN WHATEVER COMMISSION WAS ON THE TIME IN THE '80S, '70S, '80S, CAME UP TO HERE.
CITY HALL HAS BEEN MOVING LESS AT ALL TIMES, ALWAYS HAVING THE EAST PART OF TAMARAC BECAUSE EAST PART OF TAMARAC IS OUR OLDEST PART OF TAMARAC.
THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR THESE PART TAMARAC, KNOWING THAT CITY HALL HAS MOVED WEST.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVEN'T HAD TOO MUCH ARGUMENT ON IT BECAUSE IT HAPPENED. WE WERE ALSO WORRIED.
ANYWAY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR CONSENSUS ON TWO ITEMS, $79,500 TO REVIEW THE CITY HALL COMPLEX AND PROPERTY AND TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE AND WHAT TO GO IN IT, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS $12,500 TO DETERMINE WHAT POSSIBLE, IF ANYTHING, TO GO ON THE GLAZE COURSE.
IT IS NOT ONE OF THOSE DONE DEALS.
IT'S AN INFORMATION FACT-FINDING BY PROFESSIONALS TO GIVE US ANSWERS, VERSUS THOSE OF US WHO HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO BE DANGEROUS.
I HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.
SHE SAID FINE FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT?
>> I'M FINE WITH BOTH OF THEM.
>> YOU'RE FINE FOR BOTH OF THEM. COMMISSIONER DANIEL?
>> JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT VOTING FOR HOUSES ON A GOLF COURSE, IT IS NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE FOUR HOUSES ON A GOLF COURSE.
THIS IS SAYING TO A COMPANY, GO RESEARCH SEE WHAT IS FEASIBLE.
AND COME BACK TO US WITH THE ANSWER.
THE CITY IS ALREADY POSITIONED IN SAYING THAT MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.
[06:30:01]
I'M TEMPTED TO GIVE CONSENSUS FOR THIS FOR FACT FINDING, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO BE AGAINST IT, RESIDENTIAL ON THE PROPERTIES, THAT IT'S A GOOD USE OF PUBLIC MONEY.WITH THREE YOU ALREADY HAVE CONSENSUS, BUT AT THIS TIME I'M NOT GOING TO BE FOR IT.
>> THEY'RE GIVING CONSENSUS FOR FACT FINDING, I'M SAYING THAT I'M AGAINST IT FROM THE GET GO.
I KNOW WHAT MY ANSWER IS GOING TO BE AT THE END OF IT, SO SAYING YES TO GO IN FACT FIND FOR SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO SAY NO ON IS NOT MAKING BEST USE OF CITIES MONEY.
BECAUSE WE'RE JUST BE WASTING THE MONEY TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING, THAT I'M GOING TO SAY NO ON IN ESSENCE.
IT'S NO, I'M NOT WASTING THIS MONEY TO DO THAT.
>> OKAY. CITY MANAGER YOU WISH TO SAY SOMETHING?
>> I AM FOR THE FACT FINDING FOR THE 79, 500 FOR THE 27 ACRES GOVERNMENT CAMPUS, AND I'M FOR THE $12,500 FOR THE 77 ACRES.
I THINK I'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR IN MY OPINION WHAT IS THE BEST TO USE KEEPING IN ENTERTAINMENT, AND ALONG THE SAME USE THAT IT'S CURRENTLY HAVE.
I WILL LET THE PROFESSIONALS COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT'S FEASIBLE, AND THINK THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE EXPERTS IN ORDER TO LET THEM DO WHAT THEY DO VERSUS AUTOMATICALLY PUT A GAUNTLET DOWN AND SAY YES OR NO.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU MAY BRING US BACK APART, SO I'M ONLY ASKING IN OPTION, NO, AND WHO KNOWS, IT MAY JUST CHANGE.
YOU'VE GOT CONSENSUS, PLEASE GO FORWARD AND DO IT.
THEN YOU WILL OR WILL NOT BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO US ON JULY 12TH?
>> YOU HAVE TO COME TO US OR OFFICIAL VOTE IN ORDER FOR US TO EXPAND THE MONEY.
>> YES, COLLIER WILL BE HERE WITH A PRESENTATION ON JULY 10TH WORKSHOP AND THEN FORMAL WITH A RESOLUTION AT THE JULY 12TH MEETING.
>> AS EVERYTHING I WAS POSSIBLY CHANGE, SO LET'S HOPE NOT.
BUT ANYWAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT IS 5:15.
>> I WANTED TO SAY ONE LAST THING.
IN JULY 12TH COMMISSION MEETING ONE OF THE ITEMS IT'S GOING TO BE THE MILLAGE RATE RESOLUTION, AND SO I WANT TO ASK.
>> YES, TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATES
>> THAT TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE, I WANT TO ASK WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PUT THE MAXIMUM RATE 7.1 OR YOU WANT TO KEEP IT AT SEVEN, THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE.
REMEMBER, WE CAN NOT IN SEPTEMBER EXCEED THAT NUMBER, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS LOWER IT.
IF THERE'S ANY CURIOSITY OR CONCERN ABOUT THE MILLAGE RATE BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER, IT'S SAFER TO GO WITH THE HIGHER RATE.
>> ALL RIGHT THEN. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
I'VE GOT TO 7.0 FROM COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING IN JULY, THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM MILLAGE RATE THAT YOU CAN ADOPT IN SEPTEMBER.
THAT NUMBER CAN NOT GO UP BUT IN SEPTEMBER WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE VOTE OF BUDGET HEARINGS, THAT NUMBER CAN BE ADJUSTED DOWN.
WHATEVER NUMBER WE PICK IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER THAT WE CAN CONSIDER IN SEPTEMBER.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE CAN SAY 7.196 NOW AND THEN SEPTEMBER VOTE FOR 7.00 THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
>> IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE INCREASING THE MILLAGE RATE NOW IS JUST SAYING, HERE'S THE CEILING BUT WE CAN COME DOWN TO 7.00.
>> CHRISTINE, JUST PROCEDURALLY WHY YOU NEED IT? EXPLAIN THAT.
>> I UNDERSTAND AND I'M FOR THAT 7.196 NUMBER WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULD COME DOWN, BECAUSE I'M STILL EXPLORING THE IDEA OF WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO PAY FOR, PURCHASE, FIRE.
[06:35:07]
BELIEVE IT OR NOT I SUPPORT YOU IN ALL THAT STUFF.I'LL THINK OF THAT 7.196 NUMBER RIGHT NOW AND THEN TALK TO A FEW RESIDENTS AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK AND THEN COME BACK.
>> I HAVE COMMISSIONER BOLTON AT 7.196, I'VE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS AT 7. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT.
>> COMMISSIONER WRIGHT IS AT THE TOP. COMMISSIONER DANIEL.
COMMISSIONER DANIEL DO WHATEVER YOUR HEART DESIRES.
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE FIRE CHIEF.
>> COMMISSIONER DANIEL, WHAT WAS YOUR FINAL DECISION?
>> YOU'VE GOT YOUR CONSENSUS SO GO FORWARD WITH PUBLISHING IT AS 7.1986. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT IS 5:18.
SEE YOU, WHEN DO WE SEE YOU NEXT? WE HAVE COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 28TH, RIGHT?
>> 9:30 IN THE MORNING, SEE YOU THEN. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.