Jun 08, 2022 Regular

>> MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO 4B,

[4.b TR13788 - A Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, approving an Enterprise Services Agreement with Comcast for provision of Dark Fiber Services, paid monthly at a rate of $3,360 per month, having a projected total cost not to exceed $45,000inclusive of applicable taxes, fees and government surcharges; authorizing the appropriate City Officials to execute associated contract documents; authorizing budget amendments for proper accounting purposes; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

TR13788, CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THIS IS RESOLUTION CITY COMMISSIONER CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA.

APPROVING AN ENTERPRISE SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH COMCAST FOR THE PROVISION OF DARK FIBER SERVICES PAID MONTHLY AT A RATE OF $3,360 PER MONTH, HAVING A PROJECTED TOTAL COST NOT TO EXCEED $45,000 INCLUSIVE OF FLEXIBLE TAXES, FEES, AND GOVERNMENT SURCHARGES, AUTHORIZING THE APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE ASSOCIATED CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, AUTHORIZING BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR PROPER ACCOUNTING PURPOSES, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE A SECOND TO MY MOTION.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, YOU PULLED IT?

>> YEAH. THE QUESTION FOR THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF IT OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I'M SURE YOU HEARD THE COMMENT FROM THE RESIDENT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW PAYING $3,000 A MONTH FOR THIS FIBER.

CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR THE RESIDENT AND EXPLAIN THE CONSUMER CHOICE ACT WHICH LED TO THIS?

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING.

FOR THE RECORD, JAMES TRIGGER, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON THE STORY, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?

>> I'M MOVING THEM CLOSER. YOU JUST GOT THE HINT.

>> I WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME, BUT BACK IN THE LATE 90S IS WHEN THE CITY FIRST HAD HIS FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH CONTINENTAL CABLE. I KEEP RAISING THE VOLUME.

BACK AT THAT TIME, THE CONTINENTAL CABLE BY THE FRANCESCA TEAM WITH THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AND THEN I THINK COMCAST ACQUIRED MEDIA ONE, WHICH HAD ACQUIRED CUT ANIMAL CABLE AT THE TIME, AND THEREBY ASSUME THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

BACK IN 2007, THE VOTERS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA PASSED THE CONSUMER CHOICE ACT, WHICH MODIFIED THE STATE STATUTES, WHICH BASICALLY SHIFTED THE AUTHORITY FOR FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS SO THAT WE CAN NO LONGER COULD EXECUTE FRANCIS SCREEN WITH CABLE TV COMPANIES LIKE COMCAST AND THAT'S SUCH, MOVED OVER TO THE STATE.

WHEN THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, THE TIME EXPIRED WITH COMCAST, WE WERE NO LONGER ABLE TO ENFORCE ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT REPETITIVE PAST CONTRACTS, AND PART OF THE PAST CONTRACT FOR THE PAST 20 SOMETHING YEARS WAS THAT THEY WERE TO PROVIDE FIBER NETWORK SERVICES FOR US FOR FREE AT NO COST FOR THE CITY.

THERE ARE SEVEN LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY THAT I'VE LISTED OUT THERE, INCLUDING CITY HALL, THAT ARE CONNECTED BY THEIR FIBER NETWORK, SO BETWEEN EACH OF THE BUILDINGS WERE AS FIBER CABLE HANGING UP ON THE TELEPHONE POLES, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE CABLE TV WIRES AND TELEPHONE CABLES THAT BASICALLY GIVE US THAT TRANSMISSION MEDIUM OR LET US COMMUNICATE WITH DIFFERENT BUILDINGS FOR PHONES, COMPUTERS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

WE HAVE BEEN FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS GOING BACK-AND-FORTH WITH COMCAST SINCE THEN, SINCE THEY FIRST TOLD US THEY'RE GOING TO START CHARGING US.

I KNOW THE CITY AND THIS IS WHERE LIVE IN IF WE NEED TO CAN EXPAND UPON IT, THE CITY IN THIS CASE, SPECIAL COUNSEL AND OUTSIDE COUNSEL OVER THE PAST YEAR, AGAIN, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS TO FIGHT BACK AND PUSH BACK AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

BUT THE PAST 10 YEARS WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH THEM AND WE FINALLY CAME TO RESOLUTION.

THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD BE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PAY FOR SERVICES,

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OTHERWISE, THEY WOULD CUT IT OFF AT SOME POINT, AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN BUILDING OUT OUR OWN FIBER NETWORK, WHICH HAS A NUMBER OF GOOD BENEFITS TO IT, COST SAVINGS OVER THE NEXT 20, 40 YEARS, WE HAVE HIGHER SPEED NETWORKING, RELIABLE CABLE, REDUNDANCY, RESILIENCY IF THERE WAS A HURRICANE.

EVEN DURING HURRICANE DORIAN THINGS GO DOWN, EVEN SOMETHING SO SMALL, SO IT'S REAL IMPORTANT TO HAVE UNDERGROUND.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS, BUT UNTIL WE CAN GET TO THAT FULL PICTURE AND HAVE REDUNDANCY TO EACH OF OUR BUILDINGS, WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE SERVICE.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE TIMELINE WITH IT, BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET RID OF THE COMCAST, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT OUT LOUD WHILE THEY'RE LISTENING, [LAUGHTER], SO WE JUST DISCONTINUE THEIR SERVICES ALTOGETHER, ONCE WE HAVE OUR FULL FIBER NETWORK PUT IN.

WE JUST FINISHED PHASE 1 BACK IN OCTOBER 2020, WHICH WAS A GREAT BIG PART OF IT.

PHASE 2 SHOULD BE FINISHED UP PROBABLY THIS MONTH OR NEXT MONTH AT THIS POINT.

THEN THERE'S STILL A PHASE 3 THAT'S PLANNED.

I KNOW IT'S HARD TO PICTURE WITHOUT A DIAGRAM, BUT YOU HAVE A LARGE CHUNK OF THE CITY, THE WEST SIDE, ANOTHER CHUNK OF THE CITY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THEM DOWN COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE A FIBER NETWORK CONNECTION, MORE OR LESS NON-COMMERCIAL GIVE OR TAKE THAT CONNECTS THE EAST TO WEST AS WELL.

THERE'S A BIG PART OF THE COMCAST NETWORK CONNECTING OUR EAST SIDE OF THE CITY TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY, AND THAT'S CONSIDERED PART OF PHASE 3 FOR OWN FIBER PROJECT TO CONNECT THAT CONNECTION.

ONCE WE HAVE THAT UNDERWAY AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS AT PLAY THAT BUT I THINK THE VENDOR SOMEONE ELSE COULD SPEAK TO AS FAR AS WE ARE TRYING TO OBTAIN FUNDING FROM THE TRANSPORTATION SURTAX FUNDING TO SUPPORT THAT.

THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT PHASE UNDERWAY HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR OR TWO.

BUT JUST CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO YOUR QUESTION, THE GOAL IS TO GET TO LESSEN OR REDUCE THEIR SERVICES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

RIGHT NOW DURING HURRICANE SEASON, I CAN TELL YOU, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REDUCE THEIR SERVICES RIGHT THIS MINUTE.

IF I COULD SHOW YOU A MAP, YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE REDUNDANCY TO OUR BUILDINGS.

WE ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE REDUNDANCY SO THAT IF ONE GETS CUT, WE STILL HAVE FUNCTIONALITY.

WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN OVER THE YEARS.

THIS IS A MATTER OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, IF YOU WILL, JUST TO ANTIDOTAL THING THAT HAPPENED MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, WE HAD A CUT.

WHAT WE FOUND OUT LATE AT NIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE, REMEMBER THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS A SQUIRREL EATING THROUGH THE FIBER CABLES, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I KNOW YOUR COMMERCIAL MCNABB.

EVEN DURING THAT COURSE OF THAT REPAIR, WE FOUND THAT THE FIBER CABLE IS VERY BRITTLE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 20, 30 YEARS.

HENCE, IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT A FIBER NETWORK TO REPLACE IT WITH NEW CABLE.

THAT BEING SAID, OUR GOAL NOW THAT WE HAVE THE NEXT PHASE BEING COMPLETED, HOPEFULLY THE SUMMERTIME, WE DO PLAN AND EXPECT TO REDUCE MAYBE ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS.

AGAIN, IF I CAN SHOW YOU THE MAP, I WOULD, TO HOPEFULLY REDUCE OUR DEPENDENCE ON THEM, REDUCE THE CHARGES.

BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, THIS NEEDS TO STAY IN PLACE FOR THE FACE-BOW FUTURE.

THE AGREEMENT IS MONTH TO MONTH, WHICH WE DO HAVE THE OPTION TO CANCEL 30 DAYS NOTICE WITHOUT QUESTION.

BUT THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO.

UNTIL THAT TIME HAPPENS WHEN WE HAD THE REDUNDANCY IN PLACE, WE MAINTAIN THE SERVICE.

>> OKAY. THE FISCAL IMPACT IS $45,000 A YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> RIGHT. IT COMES OUT TO $480 PER SITE.

THEY DON'T PRICE IT BY CONNECTION, THEY PRICE IT BY BUILDING, SO CITY HALL, $400 A MONTH, FOR EXAMPLE, PARKS AND REC BUILDING $480.

THERE ARE SEVEN SITES, SO IT COMES OUT TO THE 3360 PER MONTH.

I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT A CERTAIN APICAL TAXES AND FEES.

I KNOW THAT SOUNDS COUNTER-INTUITIVE GIVEN THAT WE'RE IN A STATE OF LISP POLITY.

BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WERE NOT EXEMPT FROM.

A COUPLE OF THEM, THE ONES THEY GAVE US WHERE THERE'S A UNIVERSAL CONNECTIVITY CHARTS.

BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT GOES IN FLOWS INTO THE UNIVERSAL SERVICES FUND, A FEDERAL LEVEL.

IF YOU'RE NOT SURE IF MAYBE THAT THEY PROVIDE SERVICES TO ANYWHERE IN THAT STATES WERE NOT EXEMPT FROM THAT.

THERE'S ALSO REGULATORY RECOVERY FEE THAT THEY SAID FUNDS, FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL, AND POSITIONS RELATED TO SERVICE.

I THINK OTHER MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES THEY HAVE IS WHAT I TAKE FROM THAT.

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE AREN'T EXEMPT FROM AND THOSE THINGS THEY ESTIMATED AROUND 10 PERCENT.

NOW GIVEN THAT SERVICE WOULD START BEING BILLED FOR NOVEMBER, THOSE THINGS, IF YOU LOOK HERE ON CELL PHONE BILL, THEY VARY FROM MONTH TO MONTH, SOMETIMES SENSE OR DIFFERENT, SEE A FEW BUCKS OR SO.

BEST ESTIMATES 10 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL FEE.

>> YOU'RE ASKING FOR 45,000 BEGINNING THE 2023 BUDGET AND NOT THE CURRENT BUDGET?

>> CORRECT. THIS HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN OUR 2023 BUDGET REQUEST.

>> WE'RE NOT PAYING THOSE COSTS TODAY?

>> OKAY. JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE BUDGET FOR 2022 IS 20,979,425 AND $45,000 REPRESENTS 0.0002% OF 20 MILLION, SO VERY SMALL AMOUNT, BUT THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY WANT TO STAY THERE JUST IN CASE. COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> THANK YOU. HAVE WE EVER LOOKED INTO THE OPPORTUNITIES OF PIGGYBACKING WITH FDOT WHEN THEY'RE DOING CABLING? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PIGGYBACK TO GET OUR FIBER INCLUDED WITHIN THERE DIGGING?

>> WE HAVE A PHONE A FRIEND.

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>> YEAH.

>> YES THEY CAN.

>> FDOT IS VERY PROPRIETARY OF THEIR FIBER BECAUSE THEY GET THEIR FUNDING STRICTLY FOR TRANSPORTATION.

WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THEM IS THE POSSIBILITY OF AND THIS IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO IT DEPENDS, GETTING THE PIPING IN WHEN THEY OPEN THE TRENCH SO THAT WE COULD PULL OUR STUFF THROUGH AT SOME POINT, BUT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE SAME FIBER AS FUNDS THAT COME FROM TRANSPORTATION.

>> NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF THEY ARE OPENING A TRENCH AND WE CAN GET OUR PIPE IN THERE AT THE SAME TIME, IT SHOULD SAVE US MONEY AT THAT OPPORTUNITY.

>> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY IF WE SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT THAT AND LOOK HOW IT HAPPEN.

>> SUPER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP BECAUSE I HAD ASKED THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING THE TAXES AND WHY WE'D BE PAYING THOSE ADDITIONAL FEES, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS KNOWN THAT THIS IS A MONTH-TO-MONTH.

WE CAN WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, REDUCE OUR COSTS.

FOR THE TRENCHING, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ANYTIME WE DO ANY UNDERGROUND OR OPENING UP OUR GROUNDS FOR OUR CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, FOR OUR WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER THEN CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR?

>> MOTION PASS FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE TURNING TO 4C,

[4.c TR13777 - A Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, ratifying the agreement with the International Association of Firefighters, Local 3080; authorizing the appropriate City Officials to execute an agreement with the International Association of Firefighters, Local 3080 for the period from October 1, 2021 through September 30, 2024;providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

TR13777, CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THIS IS RESOLUTION CITY COMMISSIONERS CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, RATIFYING THE AGREEMENT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 3080, AUTHORIZING THE APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 3080 FOR THE PERIOD FROM OCTOBER FIRST 2021 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I NEED A SECOND TO MY MOTION.

>> I SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS, VICE MAYOR?

>> I DO. HR DIRECTOR?

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD, LORENZO CALHOUN, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

>> FOR YOUR MEMO, I THINK YOU REMEMBER WAS ONLY MEMO WHERE UNDER FISCAL IMPACT THERE WAS NO DOLLAR VALUE.

>> WELCOME.

IT JUST SAYS FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO COVER THE COSTS OF THIS AGREEMENT IN THE FULL YEAR 2022 APPROVED BUDGET.

THERE ARE SEVERAL REFERENCES IN THE AGREEMENT AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE.

DURING THE LABOR NEGOTIATIONS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO KEEP NOTES, TAKE NOTES, WE JUST LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES AND THEN THE PRIVATE DISCUSSION SO WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING.

BUT SEVERAL ARTICLES, ARTICLE 8, 10, 15, 24, AND 28, SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE SOME FISCAL IMPACTS.

OVER EIGHT REFERENCES, WAGES ACROSS THE BOARD, ANNUAL PAY INCREASES OF 2.25 PERCENT FOR THREE CONTRACT YEARS, AND THEN INCREASE ADDITIONAL PAY FOR WORKING OUT OF TITLE FROM $60-$80 PER HOUR.

WHAT IS THE FISCAL IMPACT OF THAT? HAS THAT BEEN CALCULATED? THEN UNDER OVERTIME PAY, CLARIFY THE OVERTIME PAY LANGUAGE REGARDING THE 21-DAY PAY CYCLE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE LABOR NEGOTIATION, BUT AGAIN WE WEREN'T ABLE TO TAKE NOTES, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO RECALL REGARDING MY MEMORY.

ARTICLE 15, JUNETEENTH AS A PAID HOLIDAY AND THEY CAN THANK ME FOR THAT RIGHT, NOT BIDEN.

ARTICLE 24, INCENTIVES AND AN INCENTIVE OF FOREIGN $50 FOR THE FLORIDA URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE CERTIFICATION AND INCENTIVE OF $900 FOR THE FIRE INSPECTOR, THREE CERTIFICATIONS, THAT'S GOOD, WE'RE GIVING OUR FIREFIGHTERS AN INCENTIVE TO IMPROVE THEIR SKILLS.

THEN ARTICLE 28 REFERENCE THE REMOVAL OF HEALTH INSURANCE UPON THE TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT OR IN TERMINATION BENEFITS.

I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THOSE ITEMS AND FIND OUT IF YOU HAVE A DOLLAR VALUE FOR THE FISCAL IMPACT.

>> I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THAT. THANK YOU.

INITIALLY, FOR THE THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT OVER THE THREE-YEAR PERIOD, A TWO-AND-A-QUARTER PERCENT RAISE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THOSE THREE YEARS, IT'LL BE A LITTLE OVER ONE MILLION DOLLARS, I'D SAY 1.1 MILLION DOLLARS.

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ACTUALLY THE INCREASE FOR THE WORKING OUT OF TITLE FROM A $60 TO A $80 PER HOUR IS ROUGHLY ABOUT $2,000 PER YEAR.

WE DON'T HAVE MANY FIREFIGHTERS WHO STEPPED INTO THE ROLE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO WORK OUT OF CLASS AS AN OFFICER, SO THAT'S A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME AND A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY.

IN TERMS OF CLARIFYING THE OVERTIME PAY, WE AS A CITY AND AS THE UNION WENT TO A BINDING ARBITRATION IN WHICH AN ARBITRATOR RULED IN FAVOR OF THE UNION, BUT WENT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT AND REFERENCE TO OVERTIME.

THE PARTIES WERE ABLE TO REACH AN AGREEMENT TO CLARIFY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A FIREFIGHTER WORKS OVERTIME AND WHAT INCENTIVES WILL BE INCLUDED ACCORDING TO THE LAW IN THAT CALCULATION FOR THE OVERTIME PAY TO MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE.

YOU ALSO REFERENCED JUNETEENTH.

YES. WE DID ADD JUNETEENTH AS A PAID HOLIDAY, WHICH THE FIREFIGHTERS, I'M SURE AS WELL AS ALL THE EMPLOYEES ARE VERY HAPPY ABOUT.

>> WHAT'S THE FISCAL IMPACT TO THAT?

>> AT THE TIME THAT WE ADDED JUNETEENTH, I HAD THE FISCAL IMPACT.

I DO NOT HAVE IT AT THIS TIME.

IT WAS VERY MINIMAL. I CAN TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE COMMISSION OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED IT.

>> I FORGOT TO MENTION THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT ACCRUED HOLIDAY PAY.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> IN TERMS OF THE ACCRUED HOLIDAY PAY, WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR, THE CALENDAR YEAR, FIREFIGHTERS WHO WORK ON A SCHEDULED HOLIDAY, IN FACT, RECEIVE A LUMP-SUM CHECK AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT OF THE DATE CERTAIN THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE THAT CHECK, WHICH WAS A BENEFIT TO THE EMPLOYEES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TO OUR PAYROLL DEPARTMENT TO HELP US WITH THE PROCESSING OF THOSE CHECKS.

>> IN THAT INSTANCE, THERE WAS NO FISCAL IMPACT, JUST THE TIMING IMPACT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE THEY'VE EARNED THE TIME.

THEY ACTUALLY WORK ON THOSE PAID HOLIDAYS, SO THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THE PAY.

THE OTHER THING THAT YOU MENTIONED COMMISSIONER WAS A VICE MAYOR WHERE THE INCENTIVES THAT WE HAD IT, THERE IS A MINIMAL IMPACT THERE.

THERE ARE 2-3 FIREFIGHTERS WHO QUALIFY FOR THAT AT THIS TIME AND WE'RE HOPING THAT MORE FIREFIGHTERS WILL OBTAIN THEIR FLU, I CALL IT THE FLU CERTIFICATION, AS WELL AS THE INCENTIVE FOR THE INSPECTORS AS WELL.

THAT COST IS MINIMAL AS WELL OR 2-3 PEOPLE THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THAT.

>> AND THEN I GUESS THIS WAS JUST A WORDING CHANGE REGARDING THE TERMINATION OF BENEFITS.

BASICALLY, THE CITY IS ENTITLED TO WITHHOLD A PORTION OF THE FINAL PAYCHECK AND THEY WERE ASKING TO HOLD CERTAIN PROPERTY INCLUDING HEALTH INSURANCE CARDS, AND THEN YOU'RE REMOVING THE HEALTH INSURANCE CARDS LANGUAGE.

DO THEY STILL GET INSURANCE AFTER THE TERMINATION, THE BENEFITS, HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST WAS, IF THEY DID NOT TURN IT IN THEIR INSURANCE CARD AT THE END OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT, THEY WITHHOLD THEIR LAST CHECK AND CERTAIN BENEFITS.

THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE AS YOU KNOW, WE NOW HAVE ELECTRONIC CARDS AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FIREFIGHTERS WITHHOLD ANY OF THEIR GEAR WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY SERVE AS WELL, AND THEY TURN TO GARY AND THEY'RE HAPPY TO TURN AGAIN WHEN IT'S THEIR TIME.

>> THERE WAS ANOTHER, I GUESS IT WAS REGARDING THE OVERTIME PAY.

THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THE SICK LEAVE PROGRAM, PILOT PROGRAM FOR ONE YEAR.

SICK LEAVE WILL BE COUNTED TOWARD OVERTIME.

THE PARTIES WILL RECONVENE 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE PILOT TO DETERMINE FUTURE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY.

DID YOU GUYS DO SOME STUDY AND DETERMINE WHAT THE POSSIBLE FINANCIAL IMPACT WILL BE?

>> WE DID LOOK AT SOME NUMBERS.

THE IMPACT, IT SHOULD BE MINIMAL.

WE'RE THINKING IT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 TO ABOUT $50,000.

WE ARE TRYING TO PILOT PROGRAM.

THERE ARE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS WHO COUNT SICK TIME AS HOURS WORKED.

WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE APPOINTMENTS, SCHEDULE OR THEY HAVE A SPOUSE OR A CHILD THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE TO THE DOCTOR AND THEY MAY FORGO OVER TIME BECAUSE THE USE OF SICK TIME DURING THAT TIME-FRAME WOULD PENALIZE THEM.

WE ARE TRYING FOR A ONE-YEAR PERIOD FROM THE APPROVAL OF DISAGREEMENT, A PILOT PROGRAM TO SEE WHETHER THE IMPACT FINANCIALLY IS MINIMAL AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION WITH THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY.

>> BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID TODAY, THE FISCAL IMPACT IS A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS,

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BUT THERE'S NO HARD NUMBER BASED ON BECAUSE IT'S SUCH VARIABLES INCLUDED?

>> BUT REGARDLESS OF THE FACT, THE MILLION DOLLARS PLUS IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET?

>> THANK YOU. JUST WANT TO THANK OUR TEAM, OUR TAMARAC FIRE RESCUE, AND THEN NEGOTIATING TEAM, AND OUR CITY COMMISSION, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH NUMEROUS MEETINGS APART, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS, AND HAVE COME UP TODAY WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT IS BEFORE US.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME, ENERGY, AND DILIGENCE TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY THAT WE KNOW IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY TAMARAC FIRE RESCUE AND NOW IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION.

ON THAT NOTE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> AND VICE MAYOR GOMEZ

>> MOTION PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU TO OUR FIRE RESCUE.

>> MAYOR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING, PLEASE?

>> YES, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU COMMISSION. WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL.

THE AGREEMENT REACHED BETWEEN THE PARTIES AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT EXISTS BETWEEN LABOR AND MANAGEMENT AND THIS BODY.

FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK FIRE CHIEF MCNEASY, FORMER FIRE CHIEF, CHIEF PERCY SALES, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF JOHN FRAZIER, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF JEFF LOPEZ, FIRE MARSHAL TOMMY DEMOPOLIS, BATTALION CHIEFS ERIC FOVERROES, DEREK CERNY, SHIRNEY, AND STEVE STILLWELL.

FROM THE CITY'S BARGAINING TEAM, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK TINA LEON, JEFF STREATER, MELISSA TAYLOR, JUDITH HENRY, LORENZO CALHOUN, JOHN HERRON JUNIOR, AND THE CITY'S LABOR COUNCIL, ROBERT STOLOFF.

ALSO THANK YOU TO THE EMPLOYEE'S REPRESENTATIVES, CAPTAIN BILLY JOELER, FIREFIGHTER JIM SCOTT, AND LIEUTENANT MAX LASHION.

AS YOU SAID, MAYOR, THE EMPLOYEES COVERED UNDER THE CONTRACT VOTED 61-14 IN FAVOR OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND THE CITY AND THE UNION'S BARGAINING, YOU CAN FEEL THAT THIS IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE CONTRACT WHICH WILL PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED AND ANTICIPATED SALARY AND KEEP CREASES TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

TAMARAC FIREFIGHTERS ARE AMONGST SOME OF THE BEST IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH [APPLAUSE] AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THAT YOU DO ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS AND BROWARD COUNTY, AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN, AND THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT. IT MEANS THE WORLD.

>> THANK YOU. I LOVE GETTING THOSE CALLS OR TEXTS FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE SO PROUD THAT THEY'VE HAD YOU COME OVER AND YOU'VE TAKEN GOOD CARE OF THEM AND THEY ARE GRATEFUL FOR IT.

WE DO REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM REGULAR AGENDA FOR 5ATR13786,

[5.a TR13786 - A Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, authorizing the expenditure of funds not to exceed $720,000 from the Colony West Golf Course net cashflow to renovate the championship course tee boxes and bunkers per the agreement between the City and Indigo Golf Partners; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

AND WE NOW SEE THE BLUE AND GRAY DEPART.

[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. BE SAFE OUT THERE.

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS TO THE COMMISSION.

THIS IS A RESOLUTION CITY COMMISSIONERS SEE WHICH TAMARAC, FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $720,000 FROM THE COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE NET CASH FLOW TO RENOVATE THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE TEE BOXES AND BUNKERS PER THE GRID BETWEEN THE CITY AND THEN TO GO GOLF PARTNERS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL TAKE A SECOND, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

NOW, I WILL OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT? AT THIS TIME WE HAVE MR. WASSERMANN.

>> I FEEL BETTER NOW.

FOR THE RECORD, RON WASSERMAN NOMINATE 577 J DRIVE.

I LIVE IN THE WOODMONT COMMUNITY.

I'VE BEEN COMING TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I'VE MET MOST OF YOU NUMEROUS TIMES, AND HERE'S THE GOLF COURSE AGAIN.

DO WE REALLY NEED THIS? WE HAD AN INCREASE WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE GOLF COURSE.

ONE DAY IT WAS SEVEN MILLION AND THE NEXT DAY IT WAS ANOTHER FOUR MILLION OVERNIGHT.

AT THAT TIME, AS I MAY RECALL, WE WERE TOLD THAT OUR COMMUNITY WAS IN GREAT SHAPE FINANCIALLY, AND I REMEMBER A MEMBER OF THE CITY BLAMED IT ON TRUMP'S IMPORTS TARIFFS.

WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE, DO WE? I KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT THE GOLF COURSE ARE GOING TO COME UP AND SPEAK, $750,000?

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I DON'T KNOW IF WOODMONT COUNTRY CLUB WOULD SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT? MR. ALFONSO? [BACKGROUND] IT'S ON. NAME, AND ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU CAN PLEASE.

[BACKGROUND] THERE WE GO. I DON'T PLAY GOLF.

I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT A GOLF COURSE.

YOU'RE WASTING MONEY ON THIS GOLF COURSE.

FIRST, I'VE HEARD OF IT, I ADMIT I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE MEETINGS, BUT YOU GUYS PLAN MORE FOR THE RETIREES AND NOT MUCH FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

NOBODY CARES ABOUT A GOLF COURSE UNDER 50. NOBODY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND CITY CLERK, I BELIEVE YOU'VE GRASPED HIS CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE RECORD.

I DO, MADAM MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

MR. GREG WARNER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECS WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THIS MATTER.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

FOR THE RECORD, GREG WARNER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

I HAVE WITH ME BILL WELLER, OUR GENERAL MANAGER OF THE COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE, AS WELL AS JEFF CATHY, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF SCIENCE AND AGRONOMY FOR TROON GOLF, WHICH IS THE PARENT COMPANY TO INDIGO GOLF.

WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY READ, IT'S A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $720,000 FROM THE COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE NET CASHFLOW TO RENOVATE THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE TEE BOXES AND BUNKERS PER THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND INDIGO GOLF PARTNERS.

I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSAL AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT.

STARTING OUT WITH JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND THE HISTORY OF THE COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE.

IN 2011, THE CITY PURCHASED COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE AND THE MAIN PURPOSE IN PURCHASING THAT WAS THAT THE PAST OWNERS OF THE GOLF COURSE WE'RE NOT SURVIVING, THEY WERE ENTERTAINING DEVELOPERS, THAT TYPE OF THING, SO IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE WITHIN THE CITY.

IN 2013, THE CITY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH WITH BILLY CASPER GOLF.

THAT FIRST AGREEMENT WAS A FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND FOR ONE FIVE-YEAR ADDITIONAL TERM, SO IN 2018, THE CITY APPROVED AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO EXTEND THE AGREEMENT FOR FIVE YEARS.

WITHIN THAT AGREEMENT, PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF INDIGO GOLF PARTNERS, IT PROVIDES THAT THEY WILL MANAGE AND MAINTAIN THE GOLF COURSE AND RELATED FACILITIES.

IN 2020, BILLY CASPER GOLF ANNOUNCED A RE-BRANDING AND WENT THROUGH AND NAME CHANGE TO INDIGO GOLF PARTNERS.

YOU HEAR A LOT, WHY DO WE NEED THESE RENOVATIONS? WHY DO WE NEED TO SPEND THIS MONEY? JUST ONE EXAMPLE, AND I'LL COVER IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH INTO MY PRESENTATION, BUT THE GOLF COURSE GREENS WERE RENOVATED IN 2018, AND THAT'S JUST ONE COMPONENT OF THE GOLF COURSE AND REMAIN IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.

THE TEE BOXES AND BUNKERS HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED AS AREAS IN NEED OF A RENOVATION ON THE COURSE AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF ONLINE COMMENTS FROM GOLFERS, STAFF OBSERVATIONS, AND INDUSTRY STANDARDS IN THE GOLF INDUSTRY.

THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF GOLF COURSE ARCHITECTS RECOMMEND THAT TEE BOXES BE REPLACED EVERY 15 YEARS OR SOONER DEPENDING ON THE USAGE.

BASED ON OUR HISTORY, WE DO KNOW SINCE 2011 WHEN THE CITY OWNED THE GOLF COURSE, THE TEE BOXES AND THE BUNKERS WE'RE NOT DONE, WE'RE NOT REFURBISHED, AND WE CANNOT FIND ANY RECORDS, AND BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE COURSE WHEN WE TOOK IT OVER, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DONE THE 20 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT, SO THE CONDITIONS OF THE TEE BOXES AND BUNKERS ARE IN BAD CONDITION RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT FROM THESE PHOTOS, AND ON THE LEFT, TWO PHOTOS OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT TWO PHOTOS, THOSE ARE WHAT THE CONDITION SHOULD LOOK LIKE ON A QUALITY GOLF COURSE.

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SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO NOTE, WITH THE COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE, IF YOU ARE A WOMAN, IF YOU ARE A GOLFER, IF YOU'RE A SENIOR GOLFER ALSO, THE TEE BOXES FOR WOMEN WERE NEVER FORMALLY DESIGNED.

THE MEN'S TEE BOXES WHERE SETUP, DESIGNED, AND PLACED, AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY JUST MARCHED OFF THE DISTANCE FORWARD AND THEN THEY PLACED THE TABS TO MAKE THE WOMEN'S TEA BOXES, SO THERE'S REALLY NO FORMAL AREAS FOR WOMEN AND SENIORS RIGHT NOW IN THE TEE BOXES AND THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL, IS TO DESIGN THOSE AND INFORM THOSE.

I TALKED ABOUT ONLINE SURVEY COMMENTS.

THE SAMPLE OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS, IMPROVED TEA BOXES AND GET RID OF BARE SPOTS, CUT DOWN SEVERAL LUMPS THAT INTERFERE WITH THE LADY'S TEE BOXES, GENERAL TEE AREAS ARE DOMED, TEE BOXES ARE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE, HARD TO FIND SPOT THAT IS NOT UPHILL OR DOWNHILL.

WHAT INDIGO GOLF DOES IS EVERY GOLFER THAT GOES OUT ON THE COURSE, THEY SEND AN ONLINE SURVEY TO AFTER THEY PLAY, AND ON AVERAGE, THEY'RE RECEIVING ABOUT TWO TO FOUR OF THOSE BACK PER DAY, AND 500 PLUS SURVEYS NOTED TEE BOXES AND BUNKERS AS AREAS THAT NEED AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE PAST YEAR.

SOME OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS THE CURRENT GOLF PERFORMANCE IN HERE AND THE GOLF ROUNDS AND INCOME.

THROUGH THE FIRST SEVEN MONTHS OF THIS YEAR, AVERAGING MORE THAN 6,300 ROUNDS PER MONTH ON THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE ALONE.

THAT'S 5,700 MORE ROUNDS PLAYED THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR AT THE SAME TIME ON THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE, SO THE COURSE IS TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

TOTAL NET INCOME FOR THE FULL COUNTY WEST OPERATIONS THROUGH APRIL OF 2022, THIS INCLUDES GOLF OPERATIONS AS WELL AS THE CLUBHOUSE OPERATIONS, $881,706.

THIS IS JUST SOME INFORMATION AS TO WHAT WORK WOULD BE DONE AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO SPECIFICS ON IT, BUT THIS IS THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE.

IT'S A VERY SPECIALIZED PROCESS WITH A GOLF COURSE AND A GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT HAS INVOLVED ALL OF THE ABOVE, BUT THIS WOULD MAKE THOSE BUNKERS AS WELL AS THE TEE BOX THE QUALITY THAT WE WOULD ALL BE PROUD OF.

I KNOW WITH OUR PARK FACILITIES AS WELL, WE ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP UP WITH THAT SUSTAINABILITY OF THE PROJECTS SO THAT YOU DON'T GET TOO FAR DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY TO MAKE REPAIRS.

THE PROJECT COST, AND THIS WHAT IS ESTIMATED THAT INDIGO GOLF HAD RECEIVED COST ESTIMATES AND FOR THE TEE BOXES, $232 PLUS THOUSAND, THE BUNKERS $422 PLUS FOR IT.

ESTIMATED TOTAL OF 654,837.

WE PUT IN A DO NOT EXCEED AMOUNT JUST IN CASE THOSE PRICES HAVE INCREASED, BUT WE DON'T EXPECT THAT THEY WILL INCREASE MUCH FROM THAT 654 ONCE WE GET PROPOSALS.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF DOING THIS, AND I TALKED BEFORE ABOUT LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THE GOLF COURSE.

I SPOKE ABOUT THE GREENS IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DID IN 2018.

THE CITY INVESTED APPROXIMATELY $500,000 AT THAT POINT TO RENOVATE THE GOLF GREENS ON A CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE.

AT THAT POINT, IT WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE VENDOR AND BILLY CASPER GOLF, SO THEY HANDLED THAT RENOVATION.

THAT RENOVATION CONTRIBUTED TO A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN GOLF REVENUE AND WE EXPECT THE SAME WITH THE BETTERMENT OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE TEE BOXES AND THE BUNKERS.

TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, PRIOR TO THE RENOVATIONS AND 2017-2018, TOTAL GOLF REVENUES WERE $1,223,995.

FOLLOWING THE RENOVATIONS IN 2018-19, WE WENT UP TO 1.4 ALL OVER 1.4 MILLION IN 2019-2020, REVENUES INCREASED OVER $2 MILLION.

WE SEE THAT DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN A QUALITY COURSE AND THE REVENUE INCREASES THERE.

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OTHER BENEFITS, ENHANCED GOLFER EXPERIENCE AND THAT RELATES TO INCREASED GOLF ROUNDS, REMAIN COMPETITIVE WITH SURROUNDING COURSES, MAINTAIN POSITIVE PROPERTY CASH FLOW, AND AGAIN, INCREASED ROUNDS EQUATE TO INCREASE REVENUES, ATTRACT MORE GOLF OUTING EVENTS AND WITH ENHANCED GOLF CONDITIONS, COUPLED WITH THE OPENING OF THE HOTEL AT SOME POINT THAT WILL INCREASE THE EVENTS AT THE FACILITY IN THE CLUBHOUSE.

THE QUALITY OF THE GOLF COURSE, THE USAGE OF THE GOLF COURSE INDIRECTLY IMPACTS THE POSITIVE REVENUE FOR THE CLUBHOUSE AS WELL AND THE RESTAURANT AS WELL.

AGAIN, THE RESOLUTION REQUEST IS TO AUTHORIZE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $720,000 TO RENOVATE THE TEE BOXES AND BUNKERS AND THE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE.

WITH THAT AUTHORIZATION, INDIGO WILL UTILIZE THEIR PURCHASING PROCEDURES, ACTING AS THE CITY FISCAL AGENT PER AGREEMENT.

THEY WILL UTILIZE UNIFORM WORK SPECIFICATIONS THAT WERE DEVELOPED FOR THIS WORK THEY WILL ENSURE A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, IDEALLY SEEKING A MINIMUM OF THREE FIRMS TO BID.

AGAIN, IT'S A VERY SPECIALIZED WORK, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FIRMS OUT THERE, BUT THEY WILL, BASED ON ALL THEIR CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, THEY HAVE CONNECTIONS WITH MULTIPLE COMPANIES THAT CAN PROVIDE US WITH THE BEST PRICE AND WITH THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

AGAIN, WORK OF THIS NATURE IS HIGHLY TECHNICAL AND SPECIALIZED.

INDIGO PARTNERS WITH THEIR GOLF COURSE EXPERTISE WILL OVERSEE THE PROJECT DIRECTLY WITH GENERAL OVERSIGHT AND REVIEW FROM CITY PROJECT MANAGEMENT STAFF.

CITY MANAGEMENT STAFF WILL PROVIDE, AGAIN GENERAL OVERSIGHT THEY'LL REVIEW ALL PAY APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED BY THE CONTRACTOR THEY'LL MAKE SITE VISITS TO DETERMINE SUFFICIENCY QUANTITIES AND WORK PROGRESS AS WELL.

IT'LL BE A WORK IN CONJUNCTION IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT BETWEEN INDIGO STAFF AND CITIES PROJECT MANAGEMENT STAFF.

THE PROJECT DURATION TO BE THREE TO FOUR MONTHS TOTAL AND IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF WORK COMPLETED WHILE WE'RE COMING NOW, DURING THE SUMMER AND EARLY FALL MONTHS.

WE WANT TO BE OUTSIDE THE PEAK GOLF SEASON TO DO THIS AND THIS IS ALSO THE PEAK GROWING SEASON FOR SOD.

THE COURSE WILL REMAIN OPEN DURING THIS WORK AND THEY'LL DO A WORKAROUND WITH TEMPORARY TEE BOXES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS THEY STAY OPEN.

AT THIS POINT, WE WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> VICE MAYOR, THEN COMMISSIONER PARKER.

>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT FIRST SLIDE OR THE SECOND SLIDE WHERE IT SHOWED THE YEAR THAT WE PURCHASED THE GOLF COURSE 2011.

[NOISE] IN YOUR COMMENTS, YOU MENTIONED THAT WHEN WE PURCHASED IT, YOU CAN START THE CLOCK, SEE, I'M NOT CHEATING [LAUGHTER].

THAT PART OF THE REASON WHY WE PURCHASED IT WAS TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE.

>> MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER THROUGH THE CHAIR, IS IT THE CITY'S POSITION THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE?

>> CITY MANAGER FOR THE RELEVANCY OF THE QUESTION, IT'S NOT AT HAND, BUT GO AHEAD AND ANSWER.

>> AS A GENERAL RULE, COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE SOME FURTHER WHAT ARE YOU SEEKING TO?

>> IN HIS COMMENTARY HE WAS SAYING THAT WHEN WE PURCHASED IT IN 2011, PART OF THE GOAL WAS TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE, IS THAT STILL OUR GOAL TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE?

>> IN AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHEN WE CAN, I WOULD SAY YES, BUT HE'S SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE PURCHASE IN 2011.

>> YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OTHER CITIES OWN GOLF COURSES?

>> WITHIN AND I DID A STUDY BETWEEN THE TRI-COUNTY AREA AND WITHIN BROWARD COUNTY.

>> I KNOW PLANTATION DOES, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER CITY BESIDES PLANTATION.

>> YES, WITHIN BROWARD COUNTY, THERE IS PLANTATION SUNRISE, WATER HILL, POPPING OUT BEACH, HOLLYWOOD, AND DAVEY.

>> YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL REVENUE NUMBERS, HOW DO OUR REVENUE NUMBERS COMPARE TO THOSE CITIES, HOW DO OUR ATTENDANCE NUMBERS,

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YOU ALSO REFERENCED THEM ATTENDANCE NUMBERS? HOW DO OUR ATTENDANCE NUMBERS AND GOLF ROUND NUMBERS AND WHATEVER METRICS WE'RE USING COMPARED TO THOSE OTHER CITY-OWNED GOLF COURSES?

>> THERE CAN BE A GENERAL COMPARISON IN ROUNDS PLAYED, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THAT COMPARISON WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT.

BETWEEN THESE, WE'RE PROBABLY IN THE MEDIAN POINT WITH THOSE SIX MUNICIPALITIES, RIGHT IN LINE WITH THEM OR WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND WITH SOME OTHERS.

I THINK ONE LARGE FACTOR IN THAT IS THAT A FEW OF THESE COURSES HAVE DRIVING RANGES, WHICH IS VERY ATTRACTIVE TO A GOLFER.

IT COULD BE LOCATION OF THE GOLF COURSE, SO ALL THOSE TYPES OF FACTORS.

>> CAN WE GET THOSE NUMBERS?

>> YES, WE WERE WORKING TODAY ON THAT REQUEST AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TO GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU.

>> THEN REGARDING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, THE SPOTS AREAS FOR THE WOMEN, WHY WAS THAT NEVER DESIGNED?

>> I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE DONE [OVERLAPPING]

>> I THINK SOMEONE ELSE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> FOR THE RECORD BILL WELD OF GENERAL MANAGER COLONY WEST, THE GOLF COURSE WAS BUILT IN 1971.

MOST PLACES DIDN'T EVEN ALLOW WOMEN TO PLAY, THEY WERE NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED, EVEN WANT TO IT JUST WASN'T THE COURSE HAS BEEN OVER 50 YEARS, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER THOUGHT.

>> THEN YOU MENTIONED SOME REVENUE NUMBERS THROUGH THE CHAIR CITY MANAGER, I ASKED FOR THE FINANCIAL REPORTS FOR THE CITY AND WHERE WE ARE TO DATE, AND I DID GET THEM DID YOU SHARE THIS WITH THE ENTIRE COMMISSION?

>> CITY MANAGER.

>> EVERYONE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE HAVING.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS IT WITH THEM, BUT I HAVE MY COPY IN LOOKING AT THE GOLF COURSE BUDGET, YEAR-TO-DATE, WE'RE AT 50 PERCENT OF THE BUDGET AND THE BUDGET IS $3.345 MILLION AND YOU MENTIONED SOME REVENUE NUMBERS PARKS DIRECTOR.

AS OF FULL YEAR 2020, WE WERE 450 PERCENT OVER BUDGET, I DON'T KNOW IF THE FINANCE DIRECTOR CAN GIVE ME WHAT THAT TOTAL NUMBER IS.

IN 2021 WE WERE 131 PERCENT OVER BUDGET, WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AND THEN WHERE ARE WE PROJECTING BEFORE THE END OF 2022?

>> I'M NOT SURE WITH THOSE PERCENTAGES? WHAT I'M SHOWING [OVERLAPPING]

>> I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR IF SHE'S AVAILABLE.

>> SHE IS BEING LATE FOR ONLINE, JUST GIVE US ONE SECOND, BUT CITY MANAGER, DID WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING TODAY REGARDING SOME OF THE FIGURES OF INCOME?

>> THERE WERE FIGURES SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO COLONY WEST GOLF CLUB WHAT WAS PROVIDED AS WELL EARLIER IN THE WEEK WAS [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA AND I DON'T KNOW IF CHRISTINA IS PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICITY OF THESE QUESTIONS, BUT ANY OF THE INFORMATION CAN BE PROVIDED.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HER TO SEE WHAT SHE'S ABLE TO ANSWER AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

I'M CHRISTINA A JOSEPH CAJUSTE, DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL SERVICES.

I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT NUMBERS YOU ARE LOOKING AT, COMMISSIONER GALEN, REGARDING THE REVENUE NUMBERS.

>> YES PAGE FIVE OF THE FY 2022 PERFORMANCE AT A GLANCE.

SECOND QUARTER FOR YEAR 2022 COMPARE IT TO THE TARGET OF 50 PERCENT.

IT HAS ENTERPRISE FUND EXPENDITURES, EXPENDITURES FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UTILITIES IN THE GOLF COURSE, AND THEN IT REFERENCES THE BUDGET FOR 2020, 2021, 2022, AND SHOWING THAT WE HAD A 40-50 PERCENT.

WE WERE ABOVE BY 415 IN 2020, 131 PERCENT IN 2021 AND WE'RE AT 50 PERCENT FOR 2022.

>> I DON'T HAVE THOSE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I CAN TELL YOU YOU ARE LOOKING AT Q2, THE QUARTER TWO.

THE GOLF COURSE, THE WAY THE REVENUE IS DERIVED IS NOT LINEAR FOR THE WHOLE YEAR THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL PEAK SEASON AND THEN THEY HAVE SLOW SEASON.

USUALLY WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF QUARTER TWO, YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE PEAK SEASON, SO THEY'RE COLLECTING MOST OF THEIR REVENUE AT THAT TIME.

DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, IT SLOWS DOWN UNTIL WE GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR.

FOR 2020, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, I KNOW THAT WE REALIZE MORE REVENUE THAN WAS BUDGETED,

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AND FOR 2020 AND 2021 WE REALIZE MORE REVENUE THAT WAS BUDGETED AND FOR 2022, WE'RE ALSO AHEAD OF PROJECTIONS.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THAT.

>> GREG, YOU'VE MENTIONED SOME REVENUE NUMBERS, DO YOU HAVE THE EXPENSES AND THE PROFIT MARGIN OR A LOSS FOR THOSE YEARS THAT YOU MENTIONED? OR CHRISTINE? CHRISTINE YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD.

>> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, FROM 2019 OR FY 20, WE HAD A TOTAL PROFIT, OPERATIONAL PROFIT OF $140,071.

IN FISCAL YEAR '21, WE HAD A TOTAL PROFIT, OPERATIONAL PROFIT OF $279,213.

PROJECTED FOR FISCAL YEAR '22, WE HAVE A PROFIT SHOWING OF $695,000.

>> OKAY. THROUGH THE CHAIR CITY MANAGER, IS THERE A LONG OR SHORT-TERM PLAN TO SELL THE GOLF COURSE?

>> CITY MANAGER?

>> AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL AND THERE IS NO PLAN.

>> HAVE YOU RECEIVED PROPOSALS FROM DEVELOPERS TO SELL THE GOLF COURSE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT?

>> WE'VE HAD INQUIRIES IN THE PAST, BUT THEY HAVEN'T GONE ANYWHERE.

>> FINANCE DIRECTOR, THE TOTAL ACQUISITION COSTS FOR THIS GOLF COURSE IS CLOSE TO $12 MILLION. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER WITH ME AND I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT NUMBER.

>> BUT INITIALLY THERE WAS A $7 MILLION CAUSE AND THEN THEY CAME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ASKED FOR ANOTHER $3.7 MILLION, OR $3.8 MILLION?

>> I THINK YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CLUBHOUSE AND CART BARN JUST COMPLETED AND THAT WAS $11 MILLION AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE LAND BACK IN 2011.

>> THAT'S A SEPARATE ENTITY AND EXPENSE FROM THE GOLF COURSE?

>> I'M SORRY?

>> IS THAT A SEPARATE ENTITY AND EXPENSE FROM THE EXPENSE OF THE GOLF COURSE, THE CLUBHOUSE?

>> YES. THAT'S CAPITAL.

WHAT GREG JUST ENUMERATED IN TERMS OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE IS THE REVENUE DERIVED FROM THE OPERATIONS AND THE OPERATING EXPENDITURE.

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CLUBHOUSE AND CART BARN.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS QUESTION SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO, WHETHER THE CITY MANAGER OR PROS DIRECTOR, OR THE GOLF MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

BUT I DID SPEAK TO THE OWNER OF WOODMONT AND HE'S NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE HAS TO COMPETE WITH A GOVERNMENT AGENCY FOR CUSTOMERS AND HE BELIEVES THAT HE HAS A BETTER GOLF COURSE, BETTER FACILITIES, AND HE'S A TAXPAYER, AND WE'RE USING PART OF HIS TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO FUND HIS COMPETITION.

I'M NOT SURE WHO IS BEST TO ADDRESS THAT.

GREG, CITY MANAGER.

>> I CAN SAY ONE THING AND LET THE CITY MANAGER COMMENT, BUT THE ONE THING WITH THIS PROJECT ITSELF, IT'S BEING FUNDED THROUGH THE REVENUES OF THE GOLF COURSE, SO IT'S NOT ADDITIONAL TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR THIS MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

>> QUESTION FOR THE GOLF MANAGEMENT COMPANY?

>> YES SIR, BILL WELLER.

>> THANK YOU. HAVING THE CART BARN AND CLUBHOUSE WHAT VALUE DOES THAT BRING TO THE GOLF PLAYERS?

>> TO JUST THE GOLFERS OR THE CITY IN GENERAL?

>> THE GOLFERS, THE GOLF CLUB, YOU GUYS AS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES.

>> WE TALK ABOUT EXPERIENCE SO IT PROVIDES EXPONENTIALLY BETTER EXPERIENCE.

IN MY TIME HERE WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, WE'RE OPERATING OUT OF A TRAILER.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S NOT THE AMENITIES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THERE ISN'T THE SPACE FOR PEOPLE.

WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS NOT ONLY FOR OUR DAILY FEE GUESTS TO COME OUT AND HAVE AN ELEVATED EXPERIENCE BUT THEN IT ALLOWS FOR US TO HAVE OUTINGS AND EVENTS AND BANQUETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ALSO HELPED TO ELEVATE THE ENVIRONMENT.

>> DO YOU KNOW IF THE OTHER CITY-OWNED GOLF COURSES HAVE THAT FEATURE?

>> SOME DO, SOME DON'T.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCES AT LEAST IT'S ABOUT 50-50.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE PRIVATELY OWNED GOLF COURSES?

>> IT ALL DEPENDS. IT REALLY DOES.

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>> DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR BOTH PRIVATELY OWNED AND PUBLICLY OWNED GOLF COURSES?

>> YES SIR, I DO.

>> CHRISTINE IN LOOKING AT THIS BUDGET THAT WAS GIVEN TO US, THIS IS COMPARING THE SAME POINT THIS YEAR WITH THE SAME POINT IN THE PRIOR YEARS?

>> DO YOU HAVE THE FULL YEAR REPORT SO THE FULL YEAR 2020 THAT YOU CAN GIVE TO ME LATER ON?

>> FOR JUST THE GOLF COURSE.

>> WHEN YOU SAY THE FULL YEAR OF JUST THE GOLF COURSE OR DO YOU MEAN THE FULL QUARTERLY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY?

>> NO. THIS IS A QUARTERLY REPORT.

I WANT THE FULL-YEAR REPORT FOR 2020 AND 2021.

JUST THIS GOLF COURSE CATEGORY.

THE REVENUES AND THE EXPENDITURES.

[NOISE]

>> JUST AS AN ASIDE?

>> NOT TODAY BUT JUST LATER ON.

>> LIKE FOR THE BUDGET MEETING.

>> THANK YOU. YES, I CAN.

>> THANKS.

>> MISS CAJUSTE DO YOU WANT TO FINISH YOUR STATEMENT?

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY AS AN ASIDE THAT IF WE DO A REPORT ON THE COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE AS A WHOLE, BOTH OPERATING AND CAPITAL, AND AS PART OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

THAT INFORMATION OUT OF THAT YEAR-END IS INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> THANK YOU. I HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET THREE COMPETITIVE BIDS.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY BIDS, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THIS NUMBER OF $720,000?

>> WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ESTIMATES TO BRING TO GREG AND TO THE COMMISSION.

IN OUR EXPERIENCE AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, WE ASK THEM FOR PROPOSALS.

>> DO WE IN FACT HAVE THREE COMPETITIVE BIDS OR YOU JUST HAVE PROPOSALS FROM OTHER COMPANIES?

>> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL TO PUT TOGETHER THE SCOPE OF WORK AND AN ESTIMATED COST.

THEY WILL SEEK ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS FROM ADDITIONAL VENDORS.

WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T OR WE DON'T HAVE TO GO ANY HIGHER THAN WHAT THIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE.

>> WOULD YOU PLEASE REITERATE AGAIN WHERE THESE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM?

>> I SPOKE ABOUT THE REVENUES AND THE PROFIT OF THE GOLF COURSE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS.

INDIGO GOLF SETS AN ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET THAT PAYS FOR THEIR STAFF, PAYS FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THE COURSE AND ALL THAT, AND ANYTHING OVER THAT BUDGET GOES INTO A NET CASH FLOW FOR THE GOLF COURSE.

THAT'S WHAT THESE FUNDS ARE COMING OUT OF THAT NET CASH FLOW FROM REVENUES.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> GREG, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE $720,000 IS NOT A PART OF THE $11 MILLION THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT AT COLONY WEST?

>> THAT THESE FUNDS ARE NOT COMING FROM GENERAL FUNDS OR ANY OTHER FUNDS, BUT IT'S COMING FROM PROFITS THAT IS ALREADY MADE AT COLONY WEST?

>> WHY IS IT THAT THE $720,000 IS NOT COMING FROM THE EXISTING $11 MILLION WHICH WE'VE EXPENDED TO COLONY WEST.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND CHRISTINE CAN SPEAK TO THIS MORE DIRECTLY BUT THAT $11 MILLION WAS THE COST OF CONSTRUCTING THE CLUBHOUSE.

THAT $11 MILLION HAS BEEN EXPANDED.

>> TYPICALLY CHRISTINE WHEN WE GIVE APPROVALS TO PROJECTS LIKE THESE, PARTICULARLY THE $11 MILLION, THERE ARE CONTINGENCY BUDGETS.

HAS THE CONTINGENCY BUDGET, IF THERE WAS ONE, HAS BEEN EXPENDED ALREADY?

>> YES. THE ENTIRE BUDGET BUT THAT PROJECT WAS EXPENDED.

I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT ENTIRE ALMOST 11 MILLION WAS EXPENDED AND I CAN TRY TO GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU AS WE SPEAK.

>> OKAY. THE $720,000, HOW MUCH IS IT IS A CONTINGENCY BUDGET?

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>> [NOISE] EXCUSE ME.

>> YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT COMMISSIONER OR CHRISTINE?

>> THE BEST PERSON WHO'S AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION.

>> I CHOOSE CHRISTINE.

>> YOU DON'T [OVERLAPPING] HAVE THAT OPTION.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE ESTIMATE THAT WAS RECEIVED WAS APPROXIMATELY 660,000 WITH A 10 PERCENT CONTINGENCY THAT TOOK IT TO 720,000.

>> IF THE $720,000 IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND IT DOESN'T LEAVE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

>> IF THE 720,000 IS NOT SUFFICIENT, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

THE REASON WHY THE 10 PERCENT CONTINGENCY WAS ADDED WAS TO AVOID US HAVING TO COME BACK FOR FURTHER APPROVALS, BUT TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE APPROVAL THAT THEY WERE RECEIVED TODAY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

>> YES. THANK YOU ALL. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S A GREAT GOLF COURSE, BEEN THERE SEVERAL TIMES, LUNCH, DINNER AT BOTH AT THE VIEW AND WOODMONT COUNTRY CLUB.

IT'S PHENOMENAL TO HAVE THOSE AMENITIES FOR THE CITIES AND THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT WHEN I GO IT'S ALWAYS BUSY.

I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ASK QUESTIONS DURING YOUR AGENDA REVIEWS TO THE MANAGER, TO EVERYBODY ON STAFF PRIOR TO THE MEETING SO THAT STAFF IS PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT.

I DO WANT TO BRING UP BECAUSE IT COMES UP MANY TIMES DURING A MEETING THAT WE SPENT $11 MILLION AND THERE IS CORRUPTION AND ETC.

IF WE CAN GET SOME CLARITY FROM MS. CHRISTINE OR CITY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER.

THE FACT IS THAT DURING THE EXTENSIVE AUDIT, THE AUDITORS FOUND NO CORRUPTION AND THIS COMMISSION SHOULD REFRAIN FROM PINPOINTING TO OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER OR ANYONE ON THIS COMMISSION THAT SAYS THAT THERE WAS CORRUPTION.

IF YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT, MS. CHRISTINE, CITY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD AND THEN I'LL PROCEED FROM THERE.

>> CITY MANAGER.

>> CHRISTINE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THE AUDIT.

>> OKAY. THIS YEAR, THE AUDIT, IT TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN EXPECTED.

IF YOU RECALL, WE BROUGHT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS TO YOU LATE APRIL RATHER THAN MID-MARCH AS WE WOULD HAVE.

THE REASON FOR THAT WAS THE AUDITORS HAD TO DO MORE EXTENSIVE WORK BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME INDICATION THAT FRAUD MIGHT HAVE EXISTED WITHIN THE COLONY WEST GOLF COURSE PROJECT.

BECAUSE THAT OCCURRED, IT REQUIRED THAT THE AUDITORS REASSESS THEIR RISK.

THEY DID EXTENSIVE AUDIT ON THE GOLF COURSE PROJECT, AS WELL AS EVERY OTHER TRANSACTION WITHIN THE CITY.

IT REQUIRED THAT WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION THEY HAD TO HAVE EXTENSIVE REVIEW, NOT ONLY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL BUT AT A NATIONAL LEVEL TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED EVERY INFORMATION, THEY HAVE LOOKED AT ALL DOCUMENTATION, AND THEY WERE CERTAIN THAT NO FRAUD EXISTED.

AT THE END OF THAT, WE GOT AN UNMODIFIED OPINION.

THE AUDITOR DID LOOK AT ALL OUR TRANSACTION AND THEY DETERMINED THAT EVERYTHING WAS PROPERLY STATED.

WE HAD THE PROPER AUTHORIZATION AND IT WAS OKAY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

MY COLLEAGUES CAN PUT THAT TO REST CONSIDERING THAT REVIEW WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

ALSO THAT ANY PROJECT THAT I'M PERSONALLY WORKING ON, WHATEVER REVENUE I CAN MAKE FROM IT OR ANY PROFIT THEREOF, I WOULD LOVE TO INVEST IT ON FUTURE PROJECTS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THAT FOR ME SEEMS LIKE.

AS A BUSINESS OWNER, AS A PERSON THAT INVESTORS IN COMPANIES LIKE TESLA, WE KNOW THAT THE FUTURE IS THERE AND WE KNOW IN ORDER TO GET THE FUTURE GET TO IT FORWARD, WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE INVESTMENTS.

NOT DOING SO, IT'S GOING TO END UP COSTING MORE WHERE WE'RE HITTING INFLATION RATES JUST RIDICULOUSLY, AMOUNT OF MONEY AND PROLONGING

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THESE PROGRAMS NOW THAT WE HAVE MORE WOMEN AND I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED THAT 50 PERCENT OF OUR GOLFERS ARE WOMEN.

THAT'S PHENOMENAL.

IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT CAN EXCEED THOSE AMOUNTS OR PERCENTAGES.

NOT GOING FORWARD WITH THIS, I WOULD SAY IS NOT A GOOD IDEA AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL HOLD MY COMMENTS TILL AFTER COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR WISHES TO GO FOR HIS SECOND ROUND, TWO MINUTES ON THE CLOCK. [NOISE]

>> FINANCE DIRECTOR, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED AN AUDIT AND THEN A FORENSIC AUDIT.

FORENSIC AUDIT IS A LOT MORE DETAILED THAN A REGULAR AUDIT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THE AUDITOR DID NOT CONDUCT A FORENSIC AUDIT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT WAS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THEIR AUDIT CORRECT.

>> OKAY. FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE AWARE, I WILL REQUEST A FORENSIC AUDIT ON THE FORMER CITY MANAGER WHO WAS ARRESTED ON A $3.4 MILLION EXTORTION SCHEME SO THAT WE CAN TRULY FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL FRAUD THAT WE DON T KNOW ABOUT.

>> VICE MAYOR, YOUR REQUEST CAN BE MADE AT A BUDGET MEETING OR BROUGHT UP AT A SEPARATE TIME OR ITEM.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OPERATOR NEEDS ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT COLONY WEST PROJECT AS A WHOLE BECAUSE WE SPENT $11 MILLION ON A NO-BID CONTRACT.

NO FAIR COMPETITION AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TRULY IS HAPPENING AND WHETHER OR NOT THE FORMER CITY MANAGER HAD A SIDE DEAL WHERE HE'S GETTING PAID ON THIS AS WELL.

THAT'LL BE MY REASON JUST BASED ON PRINCIPLE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND THEN COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS YOU ARE NEXT.

>> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. GREG, HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE CITY?

>> JUST OVER 21 YEARS.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. CHRISTINE, HOW ABOUT YOU?

>> I'VE BEEN HERE FOURTEEEN-AND-A-HALF YEARS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MADAM MANAGER, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE?

>> NEARLY FIVE YEARS.

>> OKAY. CHRISTINE, DO YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF SITTING IN THE AGENDA REVIEWS WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS?

>> WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AGENDA REVIEWS, ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE MANAGER?

>> NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT AS MY QUESTION WAS CLEAR, WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS.

ONE-ON-ONE WITH CITY COMMISSIONERS?

>> OCCASIONALLY YES.

>> OKAY. DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS BENEFICIAL THAT IF THE PUBLIC HAS QUESTIONS REGARDING A PROJECT THAT IT IS PRUDENT OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO ASK QUESTIONS ON THE SUNSHINE?

>> DO YOU THINK THAT, WELL, LET ME PHRASE IT THIS WAY, IS THE PUBLIC INVITED TO THE ONE-ON-ONE SESSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WHEREBY YOU ARE ALSO PRIVY TO ATTEND? I WILL DEFER TO THE MANAGER TO ENTER ON THAT PARTICULAR LINE BECAUSE AS IT DID HER [INAUDIBLE].

CITY MANAGER, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION THAT THE COMMISSIONERS TRYING TO ASK IS WHETHER OR NOT PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO ATTEND THE AGENDA REVIEWS THAT YOU HAVE WITH EACH PERSON ON THE COMMISSION.

THEY'RE NOT INVITED TO THOSE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY.

MANAGER. IS THE PUBLIC ABLE TO SPEAK AT WORKSHOPS? NOT AT THE WORKSHOPS.

THEN IT IS NECESSARY SOMETIMES FOR THE CITY COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS OR TO GET THEM UP-TO-DATE AND UP TO SPEED ON WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE ABOUT.

THE PUBLIC DOES NOT HAVE THE OPTION OF COMING INTO A MEETING WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS.

THAT IS WHY WE ASK QUESTIONS UNDER SUNSHINE BECAUSE WE CANNOT SPEAK TO EACH OTHER OUT OF THIS ROOM, AND SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, THIS IS WHY WE ASK QUESTIONS LIKE THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS AND COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR. I BELIEVE WHAT MY COLLEAGUE WAS SAYING WAS WHAT I WAS MENTIONING.

NOT SO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHEN WE COME TO THE COMMISSION, THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED.

MY POINT WAS STAFFS BEING ASKED QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE NOT READY

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FOR AND IT MAKES OUR STAFF LOOK REALLY BAD WHEN THEY SAY, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.

WHEN WE COULD HAVE EASILY JUST SAID, HEY, I'M GOING TO PREPARE YOU FOR THIS QUESTION.

PLEASE HAVE THIS ANSWER READY SO THAT WHEN WE ASK THE QUESTION ON TODAY AS IT'S READY TO GO AND WE WERE NOT STUMBLING WITH WORDS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WE DON'T KNOW.

WE DON'T KNOW SOUNDS REALLY BAD.

AS FAR AS NO-BID CONTRACTS, I WOULD SAY, VICE MAYOR, THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THOSE WORDS CAUTIOUSLY.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

CAN THE VICE MAYOR OR JUST ANYONE ON THIS COMMISSION JUST SAY, HEY, I WANT TO DO A FORENSIC ACCOUNTING ON XYZ PROJECTS OR IS THAT AS A WHOLE? OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMISSION TAKES ACTION BY A MAJORITY VOTE.

CERTAINLY ANY COMMISSIONER CAN RAISE AN ISSUE AND ASK FOR A VOTE TO DO ANYTHING.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHY YOU HAVE THESE MEETINGS. THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

[NOISE] THANK YOU. I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT COLONY WEST IS NOW MAKING A PROFIT.

WE WENT THROUGH A STRUGGLE WITH IT OBVIOUSLY.

IT IS THERE NOW, IT IS MAKING A PROFIT.

I'M HOPEFUL THAT WILL CONTINUE.

FROM WHAT I SEE WITH THE BANQUET FACILITIES, THEY'RE JAMMED.

IF YOU GO THERE FOR LUNCH, THEY'RE JAMMED.

TALKING ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING A GOLFER, AFTER YOU PLAY GOLF, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO AND SIT DOWN, HAVE A DRINK, HAVE SOMETHING TO EAT, AND HAVING THAT AVAILABLE TO OUR GOLFERS, I THINK IS A HUGE THING FOR THEM.

I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THE OTHER CITY GOLF COURSES.

SOME ARE WORSE AND SOME ARE BETTER AND THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF THE GOLFERS THAT LIVE IN MY COMMUNITY HAVE COMPLAINED TO ME ABOUT THE BUNKERS FOR A LONG TIME THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN BAD SHAPE.

IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OUR STANDARD, I THINK WE NEED TO MAINTAIN AND FIX THE BUNKERS AND THE TEE BOXES, AND IT IS WITH MONEY THAT HAS BEEN MADE BY THE COUNTRY CLUB BY COLONY ITSELF.

I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO WELL WITH THE HOTEL AS WELL.

THAT SHOULD GENERATE NOT MORE FOOD AND BEVERAGE.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN ARRANGE GOLF JUNKETS OR SOMETHING TO BRING GOLFERS.

THEN I REMEMBER YEARS AGO SAYING WE NEEDED A JUNK IT TO BRING THE PEOPLE IN.

THE MEN COULD PLAY GOLF AND THE WOMEN COULD GO TO SOUTHWEST SHOPPING SO EVERYBODY WOULD BE HAPPY.

BUT THIS WOULD DEFINITELY ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE THERE.

I'M HOPEFUL IT WILL DO EVEN BETTER NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AS A REMINDER, THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED AS A SHORT SALE THAT WAS OFFERED TO THE CITY.

IT WAS ABOUT 3.5 MILLION, MAYBE $4 MILLION.

WHEN THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME DECIDED TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS, IT WAS AN INVESTMENT BACK INTO OUR CITY AND AS WE ALL PUT INVESTMENTS INTO OUR HOME, WE SOMETIMES NEED REPAIRS.

WE HAD ALWAYS SAID THAT WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO HIRING A MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THIS PROPERTY FOR US IN ORDER TO HAVE US GO IN THE BLACK AND MAKE SOME MONEY AND REINVEST INTO THE PROPERTY SO IN TURN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE MONEY TO SUPPORT THE GOLF COURSE, SUPPORT THE CLUBHOUSE.

AS COMMISSIONER PLACKO SAID, EVENTUALLY, WHEN THAT HOTEL IS FINALLY READY, THERE ARE SO MANY ADDITIONAL PARTIES THAT WILL BE HAD, GOLF JUNKETS AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WILL OCCUR THAT WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS LOCATION REINVEST UPON ITSELF AND GROW.

ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY HAS BEEN STRIVING FOR FOR YEARS, WAS A DESTINATION, HAVING A PURPOSE FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO THE CITY OF TAMARAC VERSUS JUST TO LIVE OR GO TO WORK OR TO SOMETIMES FINE DINING.

BUT WE HAVE THAT HERE.

THIS IS WHAT OUR GOAL WAS.

WE ARE ACHIEVING IT, KNOCK WOOD, THANKFULLY EARLIER THAN ANTICIPATED.

AS TO THE PART THAT COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS WAS ALLUDING TO AND AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE OUR AGENDA REVIEWS TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, THE WEEK BEFORE OUR COMMISSION MEETINGS.

WE GET OUR PACKAGES NO LATER THAN FRIDAY EVENING.

IT'S ALSO POSTED ONLINE FOR EVERYBODY TO READ AND SEE.

ANYBODY HAS ACCESS TO THE AGENDA AND THE BACKUP MATERIAL.

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IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN, RESIDENTS ARE VERY COMFORTABLE TO REACH OUT TO ANY SINGLE ONE OF US ON THE DAY IS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, OUR FINANCIAL DIRECTOR, ANYBODY IN THE CITY, AND ASK QUESTIONS, EVEN IF THEY DO NOT SIT IN ON THAT AGENDA REVIEW MEETING WITH US INDIVIDUALLY AND OUR CITY MANAGER.

I KNOW THAT WHEN I HAVE QUESTIONS, I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF HAVING, MS. CHRISTINE, COULD YOU JUST COME IN AND SIT WITH ME AND ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH CITY MANAGER OR SEPARATELY.

SEPARATE ALSO FOR ANY SINGLE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE CITY, IF WE SHOULD HAVE QUESTIONS.

WE RECEIVED ABOUT 6:30 TODAY BECAUSE I GUESS IT WAS A LATE REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION ON COMPARISONS.

SOMETIMES IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO COMPARE AND SEE WHERE WE ARE IN RELATION TO OTHER PLACES.

BUT WE ARE THE NEWEST, IF NOT ONE OF THE NEWEST CITY PURCHASED GOLF COURSES.

THE OTHERS WERE ESTABLISHED WAY BEFORE OURS AND SUNRISE WAS RENOVATED IN 2010.

PLANTATION, I THINK IT WAS 2002, DAILY 2011 AS WELL.

I DIDN'T GET TO FINISH DOING THE RESEARCH ON ALL THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT OUR CITY IS WORKING ON THAT REQUEST AND WILL PROVIDE THAT TO US FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH AT ANOTHER TIME.

THE POINT BEING IS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING, UTILIZING OUR COURSE AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TEE BOXES AND THE BUNKERS.

I WAS AT A MEETING EARLIER TODAY, SAME COMPLAINTS.

WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE ARE NOW MAKING MONEY TO REINVEST INTO MODERNIZING THE COURSE, THE BUNKERS, INVITING WOMEN TO ACTUALLY PLAY FROM TEES THAT THEY WISH TO PLAY FOR.

BECAUSE IF YOU ARE REALLY GOOD AND YOU WISH TO PLAY FOR THE MEN'S TEE, GO FOR IT.

IF THE MEN WISH TO PLAY AT THE LADIES TEE, GO FOR IT.

IF YOU ALL WANT TO PLAY AT THE SENIORS TEES, GO FOR THAT TOO.

BUT THE POINT BEING WE WILL HAVE THAT OPTION SHORTLY IF THIS IS APPROVED AND IT'LL CONTINUE TO ATTRACT NEW PEOPLE AND MORE PEOPLE TO COME TO OUR CITY.

THEREFORE, WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE GOING, I'M NOT COMING THERE AND WE'VE WASTED A VERY GOOD INVESTMENT INTO OUR CITY.

IN TIME THE COST FOR PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, BUILDING THE CAR BARN, AND BUILDING COLONY WEST WILL HAVE BEEN REPAID THROUGH THE UTILIZATION OF COLONY WEST, A GREAT PLACE AND A DESTINATION IN OUR CITY OF TAMARAC.

AS ASK FOR ACCESS TO THE AGENDA, AS WE ALL KNOW, SIX BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO COMMISSION MEETING, YOU SEND THE INFORMATION TO THE CITY MANAGER BY NOON TO GET IT ONTO THE AGENDA, AND SO ANY KIND OF REQUESTS FOR SOMETHING FOR US TO VOTE UPON OR HAVE CONSENSUS TO BRING TO THE NEXT MEETING CAN BE HANDLED APPROPRIATELY THEN.

ON THAT NOTE, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. MAYOR GOMEZ? YES.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS? YES.

VICE MAYOR GALLON? NO.

COMMISSIONER PLACKO? YES.

COMMISSIONER BOLTON? YES.

MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ONE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 9:00 PM AND WE WILL BE TAKING A 15-MINUTE RECESS.

WE WILL SEE YOU BACK HERE AT 9:15. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 9: 15.

WE ARE READY TO RESUME OUR MEETING.

WE HAVE 5 B READY FOR DISCUSSION.

[5.b TR13796 - A Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, ratifying expenditures to date for FY22 made to Amazon.com and authorizing annual fiscal year expenditures of up to $150,000 through the OMNIA Partners national consortium agreement awarded by the state of Utah as contract #MA3457 effective upon passage of this resolutionthrough May 5, 2025; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for aneffective date.]

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THIS IS RESOLUTION CITY COMMISSIONERS, CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, RATIFYING EXPENDITURES TO DATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022, MADE THE AMAZON.COM AND AUTHORIZING ANNUAL FISCAL YEAR EXPENDITURES UP TO $150,000 THROUGH THE OMNIA PARTNERS NATIONAL CONSORTIUM AGREEMENT AWARDED BY THE STATE OF UTAH AS CONTRACT NUMBER MA-3457, EFFECTIVE [INAUDIBLE] THIS RESOLUTION THROUGH MAY 5, 2025, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> I'LL TAKE A SECOND TO THE MOTION.

>> THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW OPEN.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

MS. CHRISTINE CAJUSTE OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL SERVICES IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

I HAVE THE VICE MAYOR WHO WISHES TO START OFF, AND WE ALSO HAVE [INAUDIBLE] OUR PURCHASING CONTRACTS MANAGER ON ZOOM FOR US, ORTIZ.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.

>> [NOISE] MR. BLADES, ON THE BACKUP DATA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS.

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I GUESS IT'S A LIST OF ITEMS PURCHASED BY THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT LEGIBLE WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS.

I DON'T THINK I'D BE ABLE TO READ THIS.

>> GLASS PURCHASING CONTRACTS MANAGER, I WILL SEE IF I CAN GET SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE LEGIBLE.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ.

>> YEAH. THEN I'M CURIOUS IN LOOKING AT THE SUMMARY CITY COMMISSION AGENDA ITEM REPORT, IT SAYS THAT THIS MEETS STRATEGIC GOAL 2, TAMARAC IS SAFE AND PEOPLE KNOW IT.

HOW DOES PURCHASING FROM AMAZON.COM RELATE TO TAMARAC IS SAFE AND PEOPLE KNOW IT?

>> ALLOWS US TO GET OUR ITEMS THAT ARE MAYBE PUBLIC SAFETY-RELATED AND ITEMS THAT WE NEED VERY QUICKLY, CAN'T FIND ANY PLACE ELSE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET FROM AMAZON.

AS AN EXAMPLE ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO, WE HAD A NEED FOR SOME COVID-19 RESPONSE FOR OUR FAUCETS IN THE RESTROOMS IN VARIOUS CITY BUILDINGS, WE WERE UNABLE TO FIND THE FAUCETS THAT WE NEEDED, THERE WERE NO FAUCETS ANY PLACE.

BUT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THEM AT AMAZON AND SO THEY CAME THROUGH FOR US.

>> IS THAT THE PRIMARY REASON FOR HAVING THIS KIND OF FACTOR BY SECURITY AND EMERGENCY AND BS ARE RELATED ITEMS.

>> NO, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE FOR THE CONTRACT IS CONVENIENCE CONTRACT MORE THAN ANYTHING.

THAT'S ONE REASON WE WANT TO AT LEAST PUT A LIMIT ON IT.

>> HOW DID YOU GUYS COME UP WITH THE DOLLAR VALUE OF $150,000?

>> WE UTILIZED ANOTHER SIMILAR CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR SUNDRIES FROM THEIR WAREHOUSE AND WE BASICALLY SET IT UP AT THE SAME LIMIT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

>> WHAT ARE WE GETTING FROM AMAZON ARE WE GETTING OFFICE PRODUCTS ARE WE GETTING TOILET PAPER OR WHAT ARE WE GETTING FROM AMAZON?

>> WE TRY TO AVOID BUYING PRODUCTS THAT ARE ALREADY ON CONTRACT, BUT WE'RE GETTING ALL INTERESTING THINGS.

YOU SEE A LOT OF SPECIALTY ITEMS IN PARKS AND RECREATION.

FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, WE MAY GET SOME SPORTING EQUIPMENT, WE GET A LOT OF IT ITEMS, IT IS ONE OF OUR BIGGER CUSTOMERS, FOR INSTANCE, MONITORS OR ITEMS LIKE THAT THAT ARE COMMON USED ITEMS. WE PURCHASED JUST A MYRIAD OF THINGS.

WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THOUGH, IS OUR NORMAL PURCHASE VALUE IS ONLY ABOUT $108 PER ORDER.

THAT'S OUR AVERAGE ORDER.

THEY'RE NOT REALLY BIG ORDERS.

>> THEN WHO'S MAKING THEIR PURCHASING DECISION IS? IT BASED ON DEPARTMENT OR WHO IS MAKING THOSE PURCHASES? [OVERLAPPING].

>> INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE OPTION TO ORDER OFF THE CONTRACT.

THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT IF AN ORDER GOES OVER $500, THAT'S OUR POLICY, THEY HAVE TO PRE-APPROVE IT BEFORE THE ORDER GOES THROUGH.

THAT'S ONE THING OUR PARTICULAR BUSINESS PRIME CONTRACT ALLOWS US TO DO IS IT GIVES US SOME BETTER FISCAL CONTROLS OVER THESE TYPES OF AGREEMENTS WHICH WE DON'T HAVE YOUR NORMAL AMAZON ARRANGEMENT THAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR HOUSE AND IN MY HOUSE.

THE FISCAL CONTROLS AND REPORTING ARE TWO OF THE VERY STRONG ASPECTS OF THIS CURRENT AGREEMENT AND IT'S BEEN WORKING VERY WELL.

SO FAR, THE REASON WE'RE COMING TO YOU IS WE HAVE ABOUT $52,000 SPENT RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T WANT TO GO OVER 65 AND WE KNOW THAT OUR HOUSING DIVISION NEEDS TO PURCHASE ABOUT $30,000 WORTH OF ITEMS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR HURRICANE GIVEAWAYS THAT ARE EMERGENCY RESPONSE ITEMS THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN USE IN THE EVENT OF A HURRICANE.

THEY ARE WAITING FOR THIS RESOLUTION TO PASS SO THEY CAN PROCESS THAT PARTICULAR ORDER.

THAT WILL BE FOR SOME UNUSUAL ITEMS. LAST YEAR, WE BOUGHT SOME BACKPACKS.

WE COULDN'T FIND THOSE BACKPACKS ANYWHERE IN THE QUANTITY THAT WE NEEDED THEM IN.

AMAZON WAS THE ONLY ONE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE QUANTITIES OF THE ITEMS WE NEEDED.

>> THIS IS A WAY FOR STAFF TO GO AROUND THE CITY MANAGER THRESHOLD OF MAKING ANY PURCHASES ABOVE $65,000 THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH A DECISION? [OVERLAPPING].

>> NO, WE'RE NOT CIRCUMVENTING

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ANY PROCEDURES HERE BECAUSE OUR NORMAL ORDER IS ABOUT $108 [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE ARE AT 52 RIGHT NOW.[OVERLAPPING].

>> COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO ORDER SOMETHING THAT WILL PROBABLY TAKE US OVER THE THRESHOLD.

WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE YOUR BUY-IN BEFORE WE MAKE THAT ORDER.

>> TO THE CHAIR, SAME MANAGER, YOU HAVE SPENDING AUTHORITY OF UP TO $65,000. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> IT IS.

>> CITY MANAGER.

>> CAN YOU JUST MAKE THE PURCHASE? WHY DO WE NEED THIS? BECAUSE IF THAT PURCHASE IS $30,000 THEN [OVERLAPPING].

>> WELL, THAT WON'T BE THE LAST PURCHASE THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE FROM AMAZON THROUGH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE AT 52,000 RIGHT NOW AND EXPENDITURES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A $30,000 GIVE OR TAKE EXPENDITURE HAVING TO DO WITH HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS FOR OUR LOWER-INCOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT WILL PUT US ABOVE THE $65,000 THRESHOLD.

THEN ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL PURCHASES [OVERLAPPING].

>> HOW ARE YOU MEASURING THE 65,000?

>> IT'S CUMULATIVE.

>> PARDON ME?

>> IT'S CUMULATIVE. IF WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE SPEND FOR A FISCAL YEAR FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL VENDOR.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO SPEND UP TO 50, 10 TIMES A YEAR?

>> NO. IT'S A CUMULATIVE CUT AT $65,000.

ANYTIME THAT WE COME CLOSE TO THAT, LIKE IN THIS CASE WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO EXCEED IT, WE COME TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR BLESSING IN ADVANCE.

>> RIGHT.

>> THAT VARIES BY CITY RANKS.

I KNOW DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT VALUES AND SOME CAN SPEND UP TO A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT ON SPECIFIC ITEMS, SO THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. EACH CITY HAS ITS OWN CITY MANAGER AUTHORIZED SPENDING AUTHORITY.

>> MAYOR, JUST A BRIEF INTERRUPTION IF WE CAN HAVE JIM PULL UP THE PDF BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S CONFUSION WITH I THINK THE BOOKLET SHOWS THE NUMBERS, REALLY SMALL.

>> SORRY, CITY ATTORNEY, THIS IS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.

>> POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR?

>> WELL, HOLD ON.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME, ANY COMMISSIONER CAN ASK TO BE RECOGNIZED.

YOUR RULES DO SAY THAT UNTIL THE MAYOR OR THE PRESIDING OFFICER RECOGNIZE THE SECOND SPEAKER, THE PERSON WHO HAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY BEEN RECOGNIZED HAS THE FLOOR.

I THINK THAT YOU HAVE AN ADDITION OF TWO MINUTES THAT YOU CAN POTENTIALLY SPEAK UNLESS IT'S AN IMMEDIATE ISSUE THAT IS GERMANE TO THE DISCUSSION YOU CAN FINISH.

THEN THE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, REQUESTS TO PUT UP AN ITEM CAN BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR AND WE'LL DO THAT.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, IS THAT A CORRECT POINT OF ORDER? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A CORRECT POINT OF ORDER.

>> POINT OF ORDER MAYOR

>> GENTLEMEN, PLEASE HOLD.

>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE POINT OF ORDER IS.

>> THE POINT OF ORDER AS I'M HEARING IT, AS PEOPLE ARE TALKING THROUGH IT, IS THAT COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IS ASKING FOR A POINT OF ORDER BECAUSE HE BELIEVES THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN OUR BACKUP THAT IF IT'S PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO IS LISTENING OR WATCHING BE ABLE TO OR WE CAN ALSO SEE IT ON THE SCREEN BETTER TO FOR CLARIFICATION ON THIS TOPIC.

>> IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS.

>> IT'S RELEVANT [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE ATTORNEY, CAN YOU PLEASE READ SECTION 2-34, COMPREHENSIVE PROCEDURES, HE.

>> AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, WHEN I RECOGNIZE YOU, WE CAN PUT THIS UP AND YOU CAN REVISIT IT AT THAT TIME.

>> [OVERLAPPING]. THE ATTORNEY IS NOT LISTENING.

>> I'M BEING RECOGNIZED VICE MAYOR.

>> VICE MAYOR, I'M FINISHING RIGHT NOW.

COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, YOU'LL BE RECOGNIZED NEXT AND WE CAN PUT IT ON AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH IT AT THAT TIME.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THAT SECTION?

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> WE'VE HANDLED THAT OTHER ITEM.

PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR QUESTIONING REGARDING 65 [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].

>> I'LL ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PROCEDURES, 2-34 HE.

>> CITY ATTORNEY IS NOT RECOGNIZED.

PLEASE PROCEED WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND.

>> PART OF THE REASON WHY I ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO READ THAT SECTION IS BECAUSE, I'M EXPLAINING MYSELF.

>> YOU DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

>> CLOCK IS RUNNING. I CAN DO WHAT I WANT WITH MY FIVE-MINUTES.

IS THAT RIGHT CITY ATTORNEY?

>> THEN YOU CAN FINISH YOUR CONVERSATION, BUT HE'S NOT RECOGNIZED.

>> THAT'S FINE. BUT CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AND WHICH IS WHY I ASKED THEM TO READ

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THAT SECTION BECAUSE IT STATES THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE INTERRUPTED.

IF HE HAS A QUESTION, YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL THE END AND ASK DURING HIS TIME AND NOT INTERRUPT MY TIME.

YOU AS THE CHAIR NEEDS TO REGULATE THAT.

>> ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC AT HAND SO LET'S GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. [OVERLAPPING].

>> HE CAN DISCUSS WHAT HE WANTS TO DISCUSS DURING HIS TIME.

>> YEAH, DO HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, VICE MAYOR, REGARDING THIS TOPIC AT HAND?

>> BECAUSE I WAS RUDELY INTERRUPTED AND YOU DID NOT REGULATE THE COMMISSION MEMBER. [LAUGHTER]

>> IT'S ADDING TO VICE MAYORS POINT [LAUGHTER].

>> I HAVE LOST MY POINT OF THOUGHT.

>> VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED TO FINISH YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TOPIC AT HAND.

PROCEDURE IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM.

>> PROCUREMENT DIRECTOR, DO YOU EXPECT TO SPEND $150,000 OR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 150 AND THE 52 BEFORE SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THIS FISCAL YEAR?

>> I DO NOT EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN.

>> WHY IS IT 150 AND NOT 100? >. AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH OTHER SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS THAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU IN THE PAST, VICE MAYOR.

>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US FOR APPROVAL TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN CLEARED ON WHAT THAT MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON OR WHY.

I'M NOT COMFORTABLE. [OVERLAPPING] GO AHEAD.

>> UNDERSTAND VICE MAYOR, IT'S NOT AN AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE PLANNING TO SPEND, IT'S A CEILING.

THE CEILING THAT WANT TO MAINTAIN. [OVERLAPPING].

>> WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION ON HOW MUCH WE WILL SPEND UNDER THIS CONTRACT EACH YEAR?

>> I'M GOING TO GUESS THIS YEAR WE'LL PROBABLY END UP AROUND 125 OR 130 BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PLACING WITH AMAZON FOR HOUSING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

>> THEN WHAT ABOUT 2023?

>> THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR THAT HOUSING HAS REQUESTED THIS.

I'D RATHER IMAGINE THEY'LL CONTINUE THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY STAY ON TRACK TO KEEP THE SAME GENERAL NUMBER.

>> THE QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR?

>> IT'LL GO UP A LITTLE BIT AS INFLATION GOES UP.

>> THANK YOU. A QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR?

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> MS. CALLOWAY.

>> MAXINE CALLOWAY, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

>> THANK YOU. DO YOU DETERMINE THE AMOUNT THAT'S GOING TO BE SPENT OR SOMEONE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT?

>> I'M CAROLYN FRANCIS, MY HOUSING MANAGER, DETERMINES THAT AMOUNT AND IT WAS BASED ON WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME WE DID THAT PROGRAM.

WE DID A HURRICANE GIVE AWAY AND IT WAS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.

WE RAN OUT OF PRODUCTS.

I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER PLACKO IS SHAKING HER HEAD.

THIS YEAR WE'RE DOING IT OVER AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

WE EXPECT TO GET MORE SO WE ARE ABLE TO FULFILL THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE AT 30,000.

>> WHAT DID YOU GIVE AWAY AND HOW MANY OF THE PRODUCT DID YOU GIVE AWAY?

>> ALL OF IT LAST YEAR WE HAD NOTHING LEFT.

IT'S JUST TYPICAL HURRICANE SUPPLY, THIS YEAR FLASHLIGHT, LAST YEAR WE DID WATER.

WE ALSO WILL INCLUDE ONE OF THOSE BAG THAT INCLUDES NON-PERISHABLE FOOD.

BUT IT'S YOUR TYPICAL TYPE OF HURRICANE SUPPLIES.

>> IT'S TARGETED TO LOW-INCOME RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC?

>> THANK YOU. DIRECTOR CALLOWAY. COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. KEITH, I FORGOT YOUR NAME, SORRY.

>> YOU GOT IT RIGHT. [LAUGHTER]

>> WE SPENT $52,424.59 SINCE OCTOBER 1ST OF 2021.

YOU USED COVID AS A PREFACE FOR THIS SPENDING.

CAN YOU TELL ME IF THAT $52,424.59 WAS USED TO SPEND 100 PERCENT COVID SUPPLIES?

>> NO. THEY SAID THAT THAT WAS THE INITIAL REASON THAT WE UTILIZED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY ON THIS.

WE UTILIZE AMAZON FOR A LOT OF OTHER DIFFERENT ITEMS AS I ENUMERATED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, COMMISSIONER.

>> IT'S NOT STRICTLY PUBLIC SAFETY ITEM, IT'S A MYRIAD OF ITEMS.

>> APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH OF THE $52,424.59 WAS SPENT ON COVID SUPPLIES?

>> THAT I'LL HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND ON THAT.

I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION SPECIFICALLY DETAILED.

I NEED TO SEE IF I CAN CAPTURE THAT INFORMATION AND GET THAT TO YOU.

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>> YOU'RE ASKING THE CITY COMMISSION TO RATIFY PRIOR ACTIONS FOR $52,424.59, AND YOU HAVE NOT LISTED THE ITEMS TELLING US WHAT WE SPENT THAT MONEY ON.

BUT DO YOU WANT US TO RATIFY THE SPENDING?

>> WELL, IF YOU WANT, WE ACTUALLY DID PROVIDE YOU WITH LISTS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE ITEMS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO READ THEM AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

THE REPORT CAME OUT VERY SMALL WITH THE ITEMS, BUT WE ACTUALLY CAN GET REPORTING ON THOSE ITEMS FOR YOU.

BUT I UNDERSTAND OUR AVERAGE ORDER WAS $108 SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON LARGE TICKET ITEMS.

>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT I SEE A LIST HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT A DARAMA, $699, BUT IT TOTALS $1,704.62.

I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE RATIFYING.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC ITEMS ON THAT.

THAT'S JUST THE LISTING OF OUR MINORITY SPIN.

I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE THE MINORITY VENDORS WITH WHOM WE SPENT MONEY THROUGH THE AMAZON CONTRACT.

>> KEITH, THIS IS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, AND RATIFYING PRIOR SPEND IS A BIG DEAL.

YOU KNOW VERY WELL, THAT IF A CITY COMMISSIONER COULD THEORETICALLY COME TO THIS CITY-BUILDING AND PHOTOCOPY, LET'S SAY A REALTORS FLYER FOR ONE DOLLAR, THAT COMMISSIONER COULD BE JAILED, SPENDING PUBLIC DOLLARS FOR OTHER PURPOSES IS A HUGE DEAL.

UNLESS I SEE A FULL LIST AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR WHAT WE'RE RATIFYING, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T JUST USE COVID AS AN EXAMPLE AND THEN NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE RATIFYING, THAT'S ABSURD.

>> COMMISSIONER WE PROVIDED SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ON LISTING COVID AS JUST ONE ITEM WHERE THE AMAZON REALLY GOT US OUT OF A JAM.

THAT'S THE REASON WE WERE USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE FOR YOU.

WE WERE NOT TRYING TO CHARACTERIZE IT AS THE PRIMARY SPEND ITEM THAT WE WERE USING AMAZON FOR.

AMAZON, IS PROBABLY MORE OFTEN BEING USED FOR A SPECIAL TYPE OF ART SUPPLY FOR PARKS AND RECREATION THAN WE'RE USING IT FOR MASKS.

WE DID HAVE USED IT FOR SOME MASKS AND OTHER PPE IN SOME SMALLER AMOUNTS.

BUT THAT WAS LISTED AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH AMAZON, AND HOW THEY'D BEEN ABLE TO BENEFIT US BY BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE UNUSUALLY DIFFICULT ITEMS IN A PINCH WITH FAIRLY QUICK DELIVERY.

WE CAN GET THOSE ITEMS TO YOU IF YOU BEAR WITH US, WE'LL GET IT TO YOU.

>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE USING COVID AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT 52,000 PLUS WAS USED TO SPEND ON COVID ITEMS. WE CANNOT USE COVID AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN A THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WAS USED FOR COVID SUPPLIES.

MIGHT I ADD, IF THERE'S ANY BIFURCATION OF THIS ITEM THEN PERHAPS FUTURE SPENDING COULD BE LOOKED AT, AT LEAST IN MY ESTIMATION, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF HURRICANE SEASON, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR WHAT WE CALL SANDBAGS, AND WE DON'T PROVIDE SANDBAGS TO OUR RESIDENTS AND THEY NEED IT.

I'VE WATCHED TV AND SEE ALL THESE OTHER CITIES PROVIDING SANDBAGS TO THEIR RESIDENTS AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE CALLING US, DO YOU PROVIDE SANDBAGS AND THE ANSWER IS EVERY YEAR NO, WHY? WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 150,000 DOLLARS ON THE REMAINDER THEY'RE OFF ON WHAT, IS SANDBAGS INCLUDED?

>> IF SANDBAGS ARE REQUESTED TO BE PURCHASED TO AMAZON FINE, OR WE MAY SOURCE IT ANOTHER WAY.

BUT AGAIN, I HAVE INDICATED HERE THAT I WILL GET YOU A DETAILED REPORT OF ALL THE ITEMS, BUT WE DIDN'T THINK THAT EVERYONE WANTED EVERY SINGLE ITEM, CAN I DO THAT, THAT'D BE A LOT OF PAPER TO PROVIDE TO YOU.

BUT WE CAN GET IT FOR YOU, I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER THE AMOUNT OF PAPER, KEITH,

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WE ARE ENTRUSTED TO DO RIGHT BY THE RESIDENTS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S 1,000 SHEETS OF PAPER, WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY DOLLAR.

YOU CAN'T JUST ASK US TO APPROVE $52,424.59 AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS SPENT.

SOMEBODY COULD HAVE BOUGHT NAIL CLIPS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE CAUGHT UP WITH APPROVING PRIOR PURCHASE AND NOT HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF WHAT WAS SPENT.

I GET THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE IT, BUT THIS ITEM IS BEFORE US TONIGHT AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE THERE.

>> THE PDF DOES PARTIALLY PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS WELL, ON THE SECOND OF THREE PAGES.

>> PARTIALLY KEITH, THE KEYWORD, PARTIALLY.

MY COLLEAGUES MAY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AND I'M GOING TO VOTE, NO.

DO NOT USE COVID AS AN EMOTIONAL TACTIC FOR US TO VOTE ON THIS ITEM, I WILL NOT DO IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. GLASS.

CITY MANAGER, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND ON THE SANDBAG ISSUE?

>> NOT PARTICULARLY.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE CAN WITHDRAW THE ITEM AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION.

THE REASON THOUGH IT'S ON THE AGENDA IS BECAUSE THE SPENDING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY MANAGER HAS UP TO 65,000.

BECAUSE OF THE SMALLER NATURE OF MOST OF THESE PURCHASES, THEY WOULDN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF THE COMMISSION APPROVAL.

I RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT TO BE RATIFIED.

I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING SO WE CAN WITHDRAW IT OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, IT'S REALLY EITHER WAY.

>> CITY MANAGER, YOU PUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND THEREFORE, IT WOULD BE IN YOUR PURVIEW IF YOU WISH TO HAVE IT WITHDRAWN AND BROUGHT BACK AT A LATER DATE WITH INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED AND DETERMINATION IF IT IS NEEDED PER THE POLICIES THAT ARE IN PLACE.

THE CITY ATTORNEY, IT LOOKS LIKE HE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING, GO FOR IT, JUST SPEAK INTO THE MIC.

>> THE APPROPRIATE THING, IF ITS DESIRE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STATEMENTS OF THE MANAGER IS TABLE, THE ITEM, STAFF WILL ASSEMBLE THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR AND PROVIDE IT AND BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> I MOTION TO TABLE IT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? TABLE IS IN THE NEXT MEETINGS.

>> MAYOR, BEFORE YOU GO AHEAD AND MAKE A VOTE, MAXINE JUST TOLD ME THAT IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PUT THIS FORWARD, WE'D HAVE TO CANCEL THE HURRICANE GIVEAWAY EVENT, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT AND THAT'S THE CASE.

>> I RETRACT MY MOTION TO TABLE SUBJECT TO CERTAIN OTHER QUESTIONS, ON THIS ITEM.

>> WORD TO ORDER MAYOR.

>> I HAVE NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED.

>> HOLD ON, ONE SECOND.

>> JUST THE POINT OF MOMENT.

IS THERE ANY BIFURCATION OF THIS ITEM FOR US TO APPROVE THE FUTURE PURCHASES AND NOT THE PRIOR PURCHASES?

>> WE WILL GET THERE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. YOU ARE FINISHED WITH YOUR FIVE-MINUTES, THE NEXT PERSON ON WAS COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, PLEASE PROCEED, THEN YOURSELF, COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> JIM, CAN YOU PULL UP THE PDF ON PAGE 320, LET ME GO BACK TO IT, SORRY 324.

IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, I WAS TRYING TO GET THE COMMISSION TO DEMONSTRATE THIS ON THE COMPUTER SO THAT IT'S LEGIBLE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ON THE PRINTED VERSION THAT THEY LOVE TO PRINT 500 PAGES ON.

THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KEITH, WANT TO BREAK IT DOWN?

>> THIS IS THE CATEGORY BREAKDOWN.

THERE ARE SOME MORE SPECIFICS IN THE CHART BELOW, BUT THIS IS A GENERAL CATEGORY BREAKDOWN.

>> JIM, CAN YOU GO DOWN ONE PAGE?

>> WOULD NORMALLY USE.

SEE THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE START GOING INTO THE POINT BY POINT ITEM.

SEE, WE HAVE THE ITEMS THAT I DESCRIBED TO YOU EARLIER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THAT WAS MY POINT, JUST SO THAT IT CAN ENHANCE VICE MAYOR'S POINT OF REFERENCE TO THIS.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS. COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

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>> WHAT DID WE DO BEFORE AMAZON, WERE WE SHOPPING LOCAL?

>> A LOT OF TIMES WE'D WALK INTO, WE TAKE A LOT OF STAFF TIME AND WE FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE SPENDING MORE ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE FOUND AT AMAZON AT A DISCOUNTED PRICE.

AMAZON JUST NORMALLY PROVIDED US WITH BETTER PRICING AND QUICKER DELIVERY.

>> OKAY. WE'RE NOT PAYING SHIPPING THROUGH THEM I ASSUME.

>> WE ARE NOT. WE DO NOT PAY SHIPPING.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> WE RECEIVE EXPEDITED SHIPPING AS WELL.

AGAIN, OUR PROGRAM IS SIMILAR TO THE PRIME PROGRAM IN TERMS OF THE DELIVERY ASPECTS AND SHIPPING COST ASPECTS.

>> I DO UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF APPROVING SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN STAFF.

HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS WE'RE SPENDING [LAUGHTER] THIS MONEY ON I SEE THE LIST THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP VERY QUICKLY.

IT APPEARS THAT PARKS AND REC USES AMAZON QUITE A BIT AND WELL, I DON'T WANT TO TO HINDER THE HURRICANE SUPPLY GIVEAWAY.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS WE'RE SPENDING THIS MONEY ON.

HOWEVER, WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT AND NOT LOSE THE PROGRAM.

>> CITY MANAGER YOU CAN PROCEED.

>> WE CAN GET THE REPORT TOMORROW.

>> JOHN, SO CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THE HURRICANE SUPPLIES FOR TONIGHT THROUGH AMAZON?

>> YES. I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMISSION, IF THERE ARE SOME MAJORITY, WISHES TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT PURCHASE, YES.

>> BASICALLY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE ORIGINALLY TO PASS 5B013796,AND THAT WAS FOR THE WHOLE THING.

I MADE THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS TO THE SECOND SO WE COULD DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR THIS, SAYING THAT WE MAKE A MOTION TO PASS.

THE AMOUNT OF THE BUDGET THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE HURRICANE SUPPLY GIVEAWAY. YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> RECOGNIZING THAT IT EXCEEDS THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY OF $65,000 BECAUSE THAT'S THE REASON IT'S HERE.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO ABOVE THE CITY MANAGER AUTHORITY TO SPEND WITHOUT COMING TO YOU, SO IF IT'S 52 PLUS 32 TO THEM, WE'RE AT 84, I GUESS IT IS.

>> I WILL ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION AFTERWARDS SO COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, DO YOU STILL SECOND THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THIS ITEM?

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SO NOW I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

MY CONCERN IS THAT MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NORMALLY IN OUR PURVIEW.

YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER YOUR REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IN THE POLICY OF THE CITY TO SPEND $65,000.

I AM SEEING THAT WE ARE UTILIZING CERTAIN THINGS PER PARK AND REC FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, FOR OTHER ENTITIES HERE.

WHY IS THIS SPECIFICALLY COMING THROUGH YOUR ONE MONTH BUDGET VERSUS PER DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH?

>> EACH PURCHASE IS COMING OUT OF THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET, SO ANY PURCHASE THAT'S MADE THROUGH AMAZON, IT GOES THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET.

IF YOU'RE BUYING A PLANNER, THE $25 OR WHATEVER OUR PLANNER COST WILL GET CHARGED TO THE RESPECTIVE ACCOUNT, AND IF YOU ARE A CODE DETANGLER, IF YOU'RE BUYING THAT AND YOU'RE IN IT, IT GOES TO IT.

THESE ARE EVERYDAY ITEMS THAT ARE USED, OFFICE SUPPLIES, ALL OF THAT STUFF. [OVERLAPPING]

>> GOT YOU, AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT IS APPROXIMATELY $32,000 THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET AND ITS PART IS IT 32,000 OR 3,200?

>> IT'S 32,000.

>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING US WORRY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO INCLUDE IT INTO A BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR THE CITY MANAGER UNDER 65,000 MAYBE.

DURING OUR JUNE 16TH BUDGET MEETING, WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEING ENROLLED INTO THE BUDGET FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AS AN ITEM THAT IS ALREADY AGREED TO AND SPENT AND NOT PART OF YOUR $65,000 UMBRELLA FOR THE FULL YEAR OF SPENDING MONEY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

I THINK AT OUR BUDGET MEETING, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS FURTHER ON THIS PROCESS BECAUSE SOMETHING SEEMS TO BE OFF ON THIS WHERE PARK AND REC HAS A CHRISTMAS TREE SKIRT THAT POSSIBLY CAME FROM ONE OF

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OUR PARTIES FOR THE HOLIDAYS THAT IS NOW BEING UNDER YOUR 65,000 THAT WE HAVE TO RATIFY AND IS BRINGING US OVER YOUR 65,000 CONCERN.

APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING THIS BACK TO US BECAUSE YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE MUSHROOMING INTO A LITTLE BIT BIGGER OF A DEAL THAN WHAT WAS PROBABLY ORIGINALLY INTENDED, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THIS MORE DURING OUR BUDGET MEETING NEXT THURSDAY.

JUST GETTING BACK TO THE ITEM AT HAND IS NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE APPROVAL OF A $32,000 BUDGET SPEND ITEM THAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL AUTHORIZE.

IT WILL BRING HER $65,000 APPROVAL AMOUNT IF IT SUCCEEDED.

THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER WITH HURRICANE SEASON UNDERWAY? IF WE NEED TO HAVE SOME OTHER URGENT ITEMS EXPENDED FOR IF I THINK WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE WAS A QUESTION IN HERE AND WE'RE NOW TYING THE CITY MANAGER'S HANDS.

I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

PURCHASE CONSCIOUS ACTOR, DIRECTOR KEITH KLERKS, YOU SEEM TO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING OR MISCARRIAGES?

>>I JUST AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> MAYOR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS EVENING WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR THE BUDGET.

THE BUDGET FOR THE PARTICULAR LINE ITEMS WERE ALREADY APPROVED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

THESE ARE SUPPLIES THAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE ALREADY AUTHORIZED THE PURCHASE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THEY'D GO FOR THE NORMAL PROCLAIMING PROCESS, TO PURCHASE THESE ITEMS. THE REASON WHY WE ARE BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE OUR PERFORMANCE ORDINANCE STATES THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND WITH ANY PARTICULAR VENDOR OVER 65,000 THEN WE NEED YOUR PERMISSION TO DO SO.

THE DEPARTMENT FROM CELL ALREADY USED THE NORMAL PURCHASING PROCEDURE TO PURCHASE THESE SMALL ITEMS, THEY GET THE APPROVAL FROM THEIR DIRECTORS.

OR IF IT'S OVER $5,000 THEY GET THE APPROVAL FROM THE PURCHASING MANAGER OR FROM THE MANAGER TO MAKE THOSE PURCHASES.

THE REASON WHY WE ARE BEFORE YOU, IS BECAUSE THE SPEND TO THE VENDOR ITSELF, AMAZON HAS MET THAT THRESHOLD, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU TO SEEK THAT APPROVAL SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE MAKING PURCHASES FROM AMAZON.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME IF IT WAS HOME DEPOT OR ANYONE ELSE.

AMAZON I THINK OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, HAS BECOME WHAT WE CALL A VENDOR, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND ITEMS THAT OTHER VENDORS DON'T HAVE THAT WE NEED ON A SOMETIME ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, AND REALLY WHY WE BROUGHT THE ITEM.

>> WE SEE A SAVINGS.

>> THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT AS WELL, MR. BRENTTS.

BASICALLY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US BACK AROUND.

THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT, IT'S THE FACT THAT THIS VENDOR, ESPECIALLY IN FOR THIS TIME IN HOUR, DAY AND AGE, HAS BECOME MORE OF A VENDOR OF CHOICE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF THINGS QUICKLY, EASILY AND AT A GOOD PRICE FOR THE CITY, FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY, AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE ASKING US FOR THE ADDITIONAL ABILITY TO RAISE YOUR CAP AT THIS TIME FOR THE PURCHASE FROM THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR, THE AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO SPEND WITH ONE VENDOR MORE THAN $65,000.

>> EXACTLY.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT CLARIFICATION.

VICE MAYOR.

>> FINANCE DIRECTOR, THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

I THINK IF THAT WAS STATED EARLIER, WE WOULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS LONG DISCUSSION.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE, IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND OVER $65,000 WITH ONE VENDOR, YOU NEED TO COME AND GET COMMISSION APPROVAL.

THAT WAS A SIMPLE STATEMENT.

FOR THE PROCUREMENT DIRECTOR, IT'S SHOWING THAT THERE'S A FISCAL IMPACT OF A TOTAL OF $600,000 THROUGH 2025, AND $150,000 A YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. THAT'S FOR THE FULL TERM OF THE CONTRACT. YES.

>> THAT'S A BUDGETED IMPACT.

NOT NECESSARILY MEANING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE FULL 150.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR DIFFERENT PROCEDURAL ITEM.

SEEING THE REALITY OF WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS ALL ABOUT, CAN I REMOVE MY FINAL AMENDMENT AND GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM,

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AND THEN REQUESTS COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS TO SECOND IT OR DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE VOTE ON THE AMENDED ITEM?

>> EITHER WAY. YOU CAN WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION.

>> I'M WITHDRAWING THE AMENDED MOTION AND GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION AT HAND.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THAT SECOND ORIGINAL MOTION AND GOING BACK TO IT AND IF YOU WOULD.

>> WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL MOTION? JUST CLARIFY.

>> WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER [OVERLAPPING] INTERFACING THE AUTHORITY WITH ONE VENDOR TO EXCEED THE $65,000 APPROVAL WITH ONE VENDOR.

>> BUT A PART OF THAT WOULD BE TO RECTIFY PRIOR ACTIONS AS WELL, WHICH IS CLARIFICATION.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RAISING THE AUTHORITY FOR THE $65,000.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING.

YOU'RE SPENDING MORE THAN $65,000 COME TO US.

BUT THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS APPROVING ITEMS THAT WERE ALREADY PURCHASED AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ITEMS WERE.

>> UNDERSTOOD. TAKING A QUESTION FOR THAT FOR THE CITY FINANCES DIRECTOR, WE RATIFY YOUR BUDGET ALL THE TIME THROUGH PROCESS.

THESE AUTHORITY AND ALLOWANCES HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN.

HOWEVER, THE TITLE OF THIS SPECIFICALLY DOES HAVE THE WORDS RATIFICATION IN IT.

ACTUALLY, YES, IT'S RATIFY EXPENDITURES TODAY FOR FY2022.

DO YOU NEED US TO RATIFY THAT TODAY?

>> WE WE NEED YOU TO RATIFY ONLY THE PURCHASES TO THE VENDOR.

THE BUDGET ITSELF WAS ALREADY THERE FOR THE ITEM.

WE ALREADY HAVE A POOL VOTE FOR THE BUDGET.

AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE JUST RATIFYING BEING ABLE TO USE THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR TO EXCEED 65,000.

WHEN WE DECIDED TO GO WITH AMAZON, IT WASN'T EXPECTED THAT WE WOULD HAVE SUCH A LARGE BRAND.

BUT WE FOUND THAT MANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WE SOURCED WERE ONLY COMING THROUGH THIS VENDORS.

WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO RATIFY OR USE OF THIS VENDOR ABOVE 65,000, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVAL TO OUR BUDGET PROCESS TO MAKE THESE PURCHASES.

IT'S JUST THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A SET AMOUNT WITH THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR.

WE SEE THAT THE PURCHASES TO THIS VENDOR IS GOING TO GO ABOVE 65, 000.

WE NEED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THERE'S A VENDOR OUT THERE AND GET YOUR APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS VENDOR ABOVE 65,000.

IN DOING SO, RATIFYING THE SPEND THAT WE HAVE ALREADY MADE WITH THE VENDOR COMING UP WITH THE $65,000.

>> HONORABLE MAYOR.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO END DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM AND JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING TR 13796 AS WAS PRESENTED AND SHOW ANY COLLEAGUES ON THIS DAY IS NOT WISH TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT.

THEY CAN VOTE NO. IF THEY VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT, THEY CAN JUST SAY YES.

BUT MY MOTION IS TO END DISCUSSION AT THIS MOMENT.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO HAVE A MOTION.

I THINK IT HAS BEEN MADE CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT RATIFYING LINE ITEMS WE'RE RATIFYING THE FACT THAT THE AMOUNT WAS SPENT AND WE NEED TO EXCEED IT.

THEREFORE, THAT IS WHAT THE TITLE IS AND THAT IS WHAT THE MOTION IS BEFORE US.

IT IS NOT THE SPECIFIC LIGHT ITEMS IS THE AMOUNT SPENT.

THE AMOUNT SPENT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US, THE DETAIL HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US, AND THEREFORE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO CALL THE ROLL.

>> THAT'S NOT FAIR [OVERLAPPING].

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING FURTHER YOU WISH TO SAY?

>> I DO. I'M SORRY, BUT SOMEBODY CAN'T DECIDE TO END THE DISCUSSION WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY.

THAT JUST IS NOT FAIR.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING THIS AND THE MORE TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT, THE MORE CONFUSING IT GOT.

IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT NOW, THE PRIOR BUDGET THE PRIOR ITEMS PURCHASED WERE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR.

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BUT BECAUSE THIS VENDOR IS GOING OVER $65,000, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO APPROVE HERE, WHICH WILL GO FOR OUR HURRICANE SUPPLIES.

WE COULD HAVE NOT HAD AN HOUR-LONG DISCUSSION OF THIS.

BUT IF THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT, THERE REALLY SHOULD BE NO DISCUSSION.

>> THAT'S CORRECT AND THE ONLY REASON IT'S BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE MY THRESHOLD TO SPEND WITH ONE VENDOR WITHOUT COMMISSION APPROVAL IS 65,000.

THIS IS GOING OVER IT AND THEREFORE, IT COMES TO YOU.

>> SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS, NOTHING ELSE IS LIT UP ON MY MONITOR HERE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION IS THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WE HAD ON THE TABLE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> VICE MAYOR GALLON.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ.

>> MOTION PASS 5:0. THANK YOU.

>> EXCELLENT.

>> [OVERLAPPING] QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

CITY ATTORNEY, DO ALL COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE ACCESS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY?

>> AT ALL TIMES DURING THE COMMISSION MEETING?

>> PRESUMPTIVELY, YES.

>> DOES THE MAYOR HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT ALLOW A CITY ATTORNEY TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION OF A CITY COMMISSIONER?

>> THE CHAIR UNDER YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE RUNS THE MEETING, BUT BY VOTE, UNDER YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT OVER A RULING OF THE MAYOR, THEN THE ITEM CAN BE PUT TO MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION TO OVERRULE THE DECISION OF THE MAYOR

>> DOES IT STATE SPECIFICALLY IN THE CODE THAT THE MAYOR CAN DISALLOW THE CITY ATTORNEY FROM RESPONDING TO A QUESTION FROM A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION?

>> IT DOESN'T SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WHAT THE RULES SAY IS THAT THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING RUNS THE MEETING, RECOGNIZES THE SPEAKERS AS IN HIS OR HER DISCRETION.

AGAIN, IS A SITUATION WHERE THE CHAIR HAS MADE A DETERMINATION THAT IS THAT A COMMISSIONER BELIEVES IT'S INAPPROPRIATE, THEN THE APPROPRIATE REMEDY WOULD BE FOR THAT COMMISSIONER TO MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRULE THE CHAIR'S DETERMINATION OF NOT TO RECOGNIZE A PARTICULAR SPEAKER.

>> UNDER OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, CAN THE MAYOR OR THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING MAKE MOTIONS?

>> WELL, YOUR RULES DON'T SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

>> THAT IS ALLOWED.

>> WHERE'S THAT CITED?

>> IT DOESN'T SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THEN WE REVERT BACK TO THE ROBERT'S RULES?

>> WE REFERENCE ROBERT'S RULES AND ROBERT'S RULES DO NOT SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT A CHAIR CAN MAKE A MOTION, AND IT'S NOT PROHIBITED UNDER ROBERT'S RULES.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR [OVERLAPPING] THIS ITEM THAT IS [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] WE NEEDED TO GO BACK TO OUR ITEM.

>> POINT OF ORDER, MADAM MAYOR.

>> YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS SAME ATTORNEY HAS SET IN THE PAST WHEN OUR RULES IS SILENT ON A MATTER, WE GO TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER BY DEFAULT.

THAT IS WHAT WE DO.

IF OUR RULES IS SILENT ON SOMETHING, WE GO TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

WHEN WE GO TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER SAYS, THAT IF THE MAYOR OR THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING BRINGS FORTH A MOTION, THEN THE MAYOR HAS TO PASS THE GAVEL.

THAT'S WHAT ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER SAYS.

PERHAPS YOU NEED TO BRING ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER PRINTED OUT.

[OVERLAPPING] SHOW US.

>> AS A POINT OF ORDER AND AS THAT ITEM HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS NOW.

THE CHAIR HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE RULES.

WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE RULES.

IF WE WISH TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN HAVE A WORKSHOP ON ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER AND WE CAN BRING BACK AT A LATER DATE, PROCEDURES AND PROCESSES TO FIX FOR THIS COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE.

FOR NOW, WE'RE GOING BACK TO 5C, TR 13801.

[5.c TR13801 - A Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, accepting the resignation of Commissioner Debra Placko as from the Broward Metropolitan Planning Organization ("MPO"); and appointing a new representative on the MPO. Directing the City Clerk to transmit a The City Clerk is hereby directed to provide a certified copy of this Resolution to the members of the Broward MPO and the MPO Executive Director; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO THE COMMISSIONERS CITY OF TAMARAC FLORIDA ACCEPTING

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THE RESIGNATION OF COMMISSIONER DEBORAH PLACKO FOR THE BROWARD METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION, MPO, AND APPOINTING A NEW REPRESENTATIVE ON THE MPO.

DIRECTOR AND CITY CLERK TO TRANSMIT A CERTIFIED COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION TO THE MEMBERS OF THE BROWARD MPO AND THE MPO EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'LL TAKE A SECOND TO MY MOTION.

>> THAT'S AN ILLEGAL MOTION.

>> WHAT'S THE MOTION?

>> IT'S NOT AN ILLEGAL MOTION. WE'RE PROCEEDING.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ, IF I MAY, WHO MADE THE MOTION? WAS IT YOU OR COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS?

>> I MADE THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER PLACKO SECOND.

[OVERLAPPING] SORRY, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, WE DID NOT HEAR YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS SECOND.

>> BUT IF YOU WISH, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE FIRST THE MOTION AND SHE CAN HAVE THE SECOND.

IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

>> TRYING TO AVOID [NOISE] NOT HAVING THINGS MOVE FORWARD IN THE SITTING.

THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NOBODY WISHES TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

MS. KIMBERLY DILLON, OUR ACTING CITY CLERK IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE.

>> SURE, MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU.

THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO ACCEPT COMMISSIONER PLACKO'S RESIGNATION FROM THE MPO BOARD AND FOR THE BODY TO SELECT AN INDIVIDUAL AND ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, SORRY, TO BE THAT REPRESENTATIVE.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION TO SELECT THAT INDIVIDUAL. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER PLACKO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE ON IT.

I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS' LIGHT WAS LIT FIRST.

HOWEVER, AS YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO IT IS GENERALLY AFFECTING, YOU ARE THE ONE RESIGNING FROM THE MISSION, I'M GOING TO DEFER.

>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

>> THANK YOU. THE REASON I'M RESIGNING NOW RATHER THAN WAITING IS BECAUSE THE MPOS, THERE WERE SO MANY SPOKES TO THE WHEEL THAT SOMEBODY REALLY NEEDS TO GET IN THERE NOW BECAUSE IT'S VITAL TIME WITH ALL THE PROGRAMS MPO HAS.

THAT MEANS DOLLARS FOR OUR CITY.

IT REALLY TAKES A LONG TIME TO LEARN ABOUT ALL THEIR PROGRAMS AND TO FIND OUT HOW TO MANAGE THEM IN ORDER TO GET THIS MONEY FOR THE CITY.

THE SOONER SOMEONE GETS IN THERE AND STARTS WORKING WITH THAT, THE BETTER OFF IT WILL BE RATHER THAN WAITING.

THAT'S THE REASON I'M RESIGNING NOW.

I WILL TELL YOU IT IS A TIMELY COMMITTEE.

THE MEETINGS ARE EVERY MONTH, THEY'RE PROBABLY THREE HOURS.

THEY ARE INTENSE. THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AT MPO AND MS. CALLOWAY WORKS DILIGENTLY WITH THEM TRYING TO GET SURTAX DOLLARS FOR US GETTING PROGRAM DOLLARS.

THERE ARE SO MANY PROGRAMS AVAILABLE, IT'S VITAL THAT SOMEONE GET IN THERE NOW AND START FIGURING IT OUT BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE A WHILE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO THROW MY HAT IN THE RING FOR BEING THE NEW MEMBER ON THIS.

I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING ON THE MPO RESILIENCY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TRAFFIC WAYS, ROADWAYS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE BROWARD COUNTY PLANNING COUNCIL.

I AM THE CHAIR OF THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS SPIN OFF, IT'S CALLED M TECH, WHICH IS A COLLABORATION OF ENGINEERING TRANSPORTATION CONSORTIUM IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE SURTAX DOLLARS IN THE COUNTY AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STATE GOVERNMENT.

ALSO SINCE 2011 MINUS ONE YEAR, I'VE BEEN ON THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE FOR THESE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES AND FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, AND THROUGH THE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE.

I AM PREPARED TO GIVE THE TIME THAT IS NEEDED AND I THINK I CAN JUMP IN WITHOUT HAVING THE CITY LOSE ANY GROUND ON THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS A CONSIDERATION.

>> SURE YOU NOW GET CONSENSUS.

I WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE ON THAT AS WELL.

CONSIDERING WHAT COMMISSIONER PLACKO SAID THAT IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO START NOW.

MY TIME TO THIS CITY HAS INCREASED VASTLY.

I AM SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME WITH RESIDENTS, WITH STAFF, WITH WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I HAVE LET GO OF MY PERSONAL LIFE A BIT MORE TO FOCUS ON CITY MATTERS.

SHALL THE MAYOR NOW GET CONSENSUS ON THIS I'LL LIKE TO GET SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. [LAUGHTER] I'D ALSO LIKE TO PRESENT MYSELF AS

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AN OPTION AND HERE'S WHY.

COMMISSIONER PLACKO HAS SERVED US EXTREMELY WELL AND WHENEVER I TALK TO MEMBERS OF THE MPO, THEY WOULD RELISH ON HOW AMAZING SHE IS ON THE BOARD.

THEY OFTEN COMPLIMENT HER AND SO FORTH.

BUT COMMISSIONER PLACKO'S RESIGNATION LETTER TO GREG STEWART, IS PRESENTED UNTO US IN THE BACKUP INFORMATION, AND COMMISSIONER PLACKO SAYS THAT HER DESIRE IS TO HAVE SOMEBODY JUMP IN AND LEARN AND REPRESENT THE CITY WELL, WITH THE MAYOR RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION AND COMMISSIONER GELIN RUNNING FOR THAT POSITION.

THIS IS ANNOUNCED.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.

IT WOULD NOT BE WISE FOR US TO APPOINT THE MAYOR TO THE BOARD IF SHE LOSES OR THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

IT WOULD NOT BE WISE TO APPOINT VICE MAYOR GELIN BECAUSE HE COULD ALSO LOSE.

WITH BOTH PEOPLE, PERHAPS LOSING AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, IT WOULD NOT BE WISE FOR US TO PUT THE MAYOR OR VICE MAYOR GELIN IN.

I KNOW THAT HE HAS NOT PUT HIS HAT IN THE RING, BUT OF COURSE I HAVE TO USE BOTH OF THESE AND OPTION AS AN EXAMPLE.

FOR THAT REASON AND FOR THE REASON THAT I'VE BEEN SERVING THE CITY SINCE 2016 AND UNDERSTANDING MPO MATTERS, I'D LIKE TO BE SUPPORTED.

>> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

>> I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS ROLE IF I WAS NOT AN ELECTIONEER.

I DID SERVE ON THE MPO BOARD BACK IN 2013.

I WAS APPOINTED BY THEN MAYOR HARRY DRESSLER TO SERVE ON THE MPO BOARD.

I SERVED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

I THINK IT WAS A TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.

BUT IF IT WERE NOT FOR THIS BEING AN ELECTION YEAR, I WOULD BE INTERESTED.

BUT I'M NOT AT THIS TIME.

HOWEVER, I DO FEEL THAT SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE AS MUCH EXPERIENCE AND SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN, WOULD DO BETTER IN THIS ROLE AND THEY CAN DEDICATE THE TIME.

I'LL BE IN FAVOR OF EITHER COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS OR COMMISSIONER BOLTON SERVING TO REPLACE COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER YOU WISH TO SAY?

>> YES. MS. MAXINE.

JUST QUICKLY DO WE HAVE ANYTHING UP IN COMING ON COMMISSIONER PLACKO THAT WILL HINDER MAYOR FROM BEING APPOINTED TONIGHT INTO MPO FROM NOW TO NOVEMBER THAT SHE NEEDS TO BE CAUGHT UP WITH OR WE NEED TO LEARN.

>> PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS NOT VERY WELL HEARD, SO IF YOU CAN REITERATE IT PLEASE.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING NOW BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER ELECTION TIME THAT IS OF THE ESSENCE THAT WE MUST KNOW OR CAN IT WAIT TILL AFTERWARDS? LET'S SAY THE MAYOR OR WHOEVER DOES NOT WIN THE ELECTION.

DOES IT MATTER IF SHE'S APPOINTED OR NOT? CAN WE GET A SECOND PERSON IN DECEMBER TO SAY, HEY, YOU WANT TO BE AN MPO?

>> EVERYBODY KNOWS, I HAVE NO INTENTION TO LOSING, BUT THAT SAID, IF I'M THE ONE WHO'S APPOINTED TO THE POSITION AND I SHOULD BY CHANCE LOSE IN NOVEMBER, THE FACT OF THE MATTER THE THEN COMMISSIONER WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN TO SELECT SOMEBODY.

IS THAT A BIG DEAL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?

>> CORRECT, IS THAT A BIG DEAL?

>> WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS.

I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL.

MS. MAXINE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN OF THE CITY THAT IF PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, THAT I SHOULDN'T BE APPOINTED TODAY AND THEN NOT BE HERE IN DECEMBER, WOULD IT BE A BIG PENALTY TO THE CITY? WOULD IT CAUSE THE CITY ANY HARM?

>> THE NEXT MAJOR, I GUESS, APPLICATION THAT'S COMING UP IN THE FALL IS A COMPLETE STREETS AND LOCALIZE INITIATIVE APPLICATION PROCESS. IT'S CALLED C-SLIP.

IT'S PRIMARILY STAFF DRIVEN.

I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER PLACKO IN THE PAST HAS MADE SURE AND PUSH TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR APPLICATION RECEIVED FUNDING.

BUT IT'S PRIMARILY STAFF DRIVEN, AND SO IT'S EARLY FALL THAT WE HAVE TO APPLY.

OUR CONSULTANT HELPS US WITH THE APPLICATION AND YOU JUST APPROVE THAT ADA PLAN,

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WHICH A BULK OF THAT IS WHAT WE INTEND TO SUBMIT AS A PART OF OUR APPLICATION.

>> WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO APPOINT MAYOR GOMEZ TO THE MPO.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

>> SEEING THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAS PUT THEIR HAT IN THE RING, SO TO SPEAK.

WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SLEET. [OVERLAPPING]

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO WAS ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED NEXT.

>> MY TIME FINISHED MY POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR.

>> YOU DID NOT HAVE A POINT OF ORDER.

>> YOU DID NOT ASK FOR A POINT OF ORDER, COMMISSIONER BOLTON, BUT ANYWAY, FINISH YOUR ITEM.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR FOR THAT.

COMMISSIONER PLACKO SAYS THAT SHE'S RESIGNING BECAUSE SHE WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY TO JUMP IN THERE NOW AND LEARN.

IF WE'RE ONLY PUTTING SOMEBODY IN TEMPORARILY SEEING THAT YOU COULD LOSE AN ELECTION BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER, THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WISE FOR COMMISSIONER PLACKO TO JUST CONTINUE HER REIGN UNTIL NOVEMBER WHEN THE NEW COMMISSION COULD THEORETICALLY APPOINT SOMEBODY ELSE.

THAT IS WHY I'M STANDING BY THE IDEA THAT IS NOT WISE FOR YOU TO GO BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT BE HERE IN NOVEMBER AS WELL AS YOU COULD BE.

IT'S A TWO-WAY THING.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE IS TO APPOINT A HANDSOME GENTLEMEN THAT HAS A WONDERFUL SMILE AND THAT [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]

>> I'M SURE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS APPRECIATES YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT HIM.

>> THAT WANTS TO SERVE, SO I'D APPRECIATE.

>> UNDERSTOOD. COMMISSIONER PLACKO HAS THE FLOOR.

SHE IS THE ONE WHO HAS RESIGNED.

SHE IS THE ONE WHO'S MADE THE DECISION THAT SHE WISHES TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN NOW. IT'S HER.

>> IT SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME.

>> WELL COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN ALWAYS REVOKE YOUR RESIGNATION.

NO ONE IS ASKING YOU OR FORCING YOU OR AS DESIRED FOR YOU TO MAKE THIS DECISION.

IT IS A DECISION THAT YOU FELT YOU HAD TO MAKE.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD DECISION AT THE TIME, BUT HEARING ALL THIS, I'M NOT SURE IT IS A GOOD DECISION.

I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT IF SOMEONE STEPS IN NOW AND THEN THERE'S A CHANGE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD CAUTION IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, HAVING ALL OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET.

YOU SERVE ON SO MANY COMMITTEES HAVING TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION.

I THINK WE NEED SOMEBODY ELSE IN SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO RESIGN FROM SOME OF THAT, BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHETHER TO TAKE MY RESIGNATION BACK SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS ISSUE AND WE CAN MOVE ALONG WITH WHAT WE HAVE GOING.

WE DO HAVE THE TRAFFIC CALMING WITH OUR SURTAX DOLLARS THAT I'M CERTAINLY INVOLVED IN, THAT MAY BE THE EASIEST THING AT THIS POINT.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO, I THINK QUITE HONESTLY, I KNOW THAT FOR MYSELF.

I KNOW WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT HANDLE.

I ALSO DO KNOW THAT I EXPECT TO BE HERE, AND I ALSO DO KNOW AND FEEL THAT OVER THE YEARS, IT'S BEEN THE MISSING LINK BECAUSE I'VE SHARED THAT WITH YOU THAT BY NOT BEING ON THE MPO, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I CAN'T COMMUNICATE, CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE ISSUES.

I'VE HAD A WEALTH OF INFORMATION THAT I'VE HAD TO SHARE THROUGH STAFF VERSUS HAVING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT SMOOTH TRANSITION FROM THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.

THAT BEING SAID, AGAIN, IT IS YOUR CALL ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE YOUR RESIGNATION, AND WHILE IT MAY HAVE BEEN A GOOD THOUGHT FOR YOU AT THE TIME, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT NOW.

YES. IS IT THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE IF YOU STAY ON IT, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SO, YOU'VE SERVED THE CITY WELL, THEN PLEASE CONTINUE TO DO SO.

THEN WE CAN PROVE IN DECEMBER WHO WILL BE HERE AND WHO ELSE WILL BE ON THAT COMMITTEE THEN.

>> I THINK FOR, IS IT THIS TIME FOR THE CITIES THAT THERE'S NOT ANY MORE STRESS? I WILL TAKE [NOISE] MY RESIGNATION BACK.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE ON THE RPO.

>> SORRY ABOUT ALL THIS.

SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

>> I KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO WORK IT OUT.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR ORDINANCES ON FIRST READING.

[6.a TO2503 - An Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, amending the Tamarac Code of Ordinances by repealing Sec. 2-425 (3), “Fixed Expense Account”, of Article XIII, Chapter 2, “Administration”, entitled “Travel Expenses”, to repeal provisions related to an optional fixed expense account for Elected Officials upon request; providing for codification; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

WE ARE ON TO 6ATO2503 ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC CITY.

ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD.

>> SORRY. I WAS IN MOTION.

>> THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

>> TRUE. [OVERLAPPING] DO WE NEED TO ACTUALLY HEAR IT OR IS IT TABLED OR IS IT A WITHDRAWN? DO WE DEAL WITH WITHDRAWNS?

>> IT'S THE ITEMS WITHDRAWN.

>> ITEMS WITHDRAWN.

>> WE'LL THROW A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW STUFF FOR YOU.

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[LAUGHTER] IF YOU WOULD, CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES. MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE TO THE COMMISSIONERS CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE TAMARAC CODE OF ORDINANCES BY REPEALING SECTION 2-4-5 SUB-SECTION 3, FIXED EXPENSE ACCOUNT OF ARTICLE 13, CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION ENTITLED TRAVEL EXPENSES TO REPEAL PROVISIONS RELATED TO AN OPTIONAL FIXED EXPENSE ACCOUNT FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS UPON REQUESTS PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE A SECOND, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. MS. CHRISTINE, COULD USE DIRECTOR FINANCIAL SERVICES IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS THIS IS AN ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING.

THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

COMMISSIONER GELIN, YOU WISH TO SAY SOMETHING? VICE MAYOR GERLIN, YOU WISH TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> YES. THANK YOU. [NOISE] FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

EARLIER, I DID ASK FOR ALL ITEMS TO BE PULLED FROM THE AGENDA BECAUSE AS I WAS READING THROUGH IT, THERE WAS A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES REGARDING DIFFERENT ITEMS AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A FISCAL IMPACT ON DIFFERENT ITEMS. IN HERE, IT STATES THAT THERE'S A POSSIBLE IMPACT OF $75,000 PER YEAR, AND THAT IT PROVIDES A BUDGETARY SAVINGS OF 75,000 ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

BUT I DISAGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S INCORRECT.

THIS IS A PAPER CHANGE.

IT'S A WORD CHANGE, A DOCUMENT CHANGE.

THERE WAS NEVER ANY FISCAL IMPACT BECAUSE NO ONE EVER TOOK THE FIXED EXPENSE ACCOUNT.

SHUTTING THE FISCAL IMPACT BE ZERO.

I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE WE ADD THE HR DIRECTOR AND FIRE HAVE OVER A MILLION DOLLAR FISCAL IMPACT THAT WASN'T INCLUDED UNDER THE FISCAL IMPACT SECTION OF THE MEMO.

HERE WE HAVE NO FISCAL IMPACT, BUT IT'S SAYING THERE'S A BUDGETARY IMPACT ON THIS MEMO.

THEN THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, THERE WAS A FISCAL IMPACT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY, BUT THEN WE GET REIMBURSED, AND SO THERE'S JUST A PLAY WITH WORDS.

THIS DOES NOT REPRESENT A FACTUAL STATEMENT IN MY VIEW.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAVE THIS LISTED AS A FISCAL IMPACT?

>> MISS, COULD YOU?

>> YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] WHEN I WROTE THE STAFF MEMO, IT WAS ON THE BACKDROP THAT THE ARGUMENTS EXISTED.

THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF EACH COMMISSIONER OPTED IN TO THE SIX TRAVEL EXPAND, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUDGET 15,000 EACH, CUMULATIVELY 675,000 IN A YEAR IF EVERYONE OPTED IN.

IN THE MEMO, I SAID POSSIBLE.

IT WAS A POSSIBLE FISCAL IMPACT AND THAT IS IF ALL COMMISSIONERS CHOSE TO OPT IN, AND AS NONE OPT IN, IT'S NOT A FISCAL IMPACT, THEN YOU WOULD BE CORRECT BECAUSE NO ONE OPT-IN, THERE'S NO FISCAL IMPACT.

>> CHRISTINE, WHEN COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS OPTED IN, DID THE CITY FINANCE OFFICE MAKE ANY CHANGE AS TO PUT IN ANY PAYROLL INFORMATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> OR WAS IT JUST CLERICAL THAT HE OPTED IN AND THEN REMOVED HIS PAPERWORK?

>> NO, WE HAD NOT GOTTEN THAT STAGE BECAUSE WE AT THAT TIME HAD NOT HAVE A BUDGET.

WE DID NOT COME TO YOU TO HAVE A BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT.

IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE BUDGET SO IT WAS NEVER PROCESSED.

>> YOU JUST SAID THAT IT WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET AND THEN YOU SAID AT THAT TIME IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE BUDGET.

[LAUGHTER]

>> OKAY. LET ME CLARIFY. WE HAD INITIALLY BROUGHT IT BEFORE YOU AS A POSSIBLE BUDGET AMENDMENT, AND IT WAS REMOVED FROM THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT.

THERE WAS NO BUDGET, SO IT WAS NOT PROCESSED.

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY FISCAL IMPACT?

>> NO FISCAL IMPACT, NO.

>> THEN I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GELIN.

IT SAYS OTHERWISE IN THEIR DOCUMENT.

>> YOU RETRACT? [LAUGHTER]

>> WELL, [OVERLAPPING].

>> POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

>> I THINK THE WORD IS POSSIBLE.

>> IT IS JUST THAT CHRISTINE, WE DON'T WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE ITEM WAS BUDGETED.

ANYTIME YOU SAY FISCAL IMPACT,

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IT RISES TO A DISCUSSION THAT THIS WAS A THING, AND THIS WAS NEVER A THING.

IT WAS NEVER BUDGETED.

NO ONE OPTED IN EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

IT WAS NEVER A THING.

I WOULD PREFER IF YOU RETRACT THAT PORTION OF YOUR DOCUMENT THAT SAYS IT WAS WITHOUT FISCAL IMPACT.

>> I WILL ACCEPT THAT, COMMISSIONER.

>> POINT OF CLARIFICATION THERE.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> IS COMMISSIONER BOLTON DIRECTING SOLID WHAT SHOULD BE DONE VERSUS CONSENSUS?

>> THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO GO NEXT.

>> WHEN WAS THIS ORDINANCE PRESENTED TO US AND WHEN WOULD IT HAVE GONE INTO EFFECT?

CHRISTINE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> THE ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED FEBRUARY 24, 2021.

>> IT WOULD HAVE THEN BEEN PLACED IN A BUDGET AMENDMENT IF IT HAD A FISCAL IMPACT?

>> IT WASN'T. [OVERLAPPING]

>> IT WASN'T. YES AND IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 2022 BUDGET.

>> WE'RE REPEALING TONIGHT AHEAD OF OUR BUDGET MEETING, SO IT'S NOT A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

>> NO, AND IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE 2023 BUDGET THAT WE WILL DISCUSS NEXT WEEK.

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] IS A REASON FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF THERE BEING A BUDGET ITEM DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT YET REPEALED AND THEREFORE, AS IT BEING ON THE BOOKS, THERE IS STILL THAT POSSIBILITY THAT THROUGH FY23 BUDGET, IF WE DON'T REPEAL IT TODAY, IT COULD BE ON THE BOOKS FOR THE FUTURE, WHICH IS WHY YOU WROTE POSSIBILITY?

>> YES. [OVERLAPPING]

>> YOUR OPINION IN YOUR MEMO IS BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND THEREFORE, I DON'T THINK IT IS A PLACE OF THIS COMMISSION TO ASK YOU TO CHANGE YOUR WRITING ABOUT THIS ITEM AS THAT IS WHY YOU WROTE THIS, AND WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS.

THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR CONSENSUS TO CHANGE YOUR MEMO.

THE PURPOSE OF THE ITEM BEFORE US IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO REPEAL THIS ITEM. NOTHING FURTHER.

WE HAD HEARD CONSENSUS TO REPEAL THIS ITEM.

IT IS BEFORE US TODAY BASED ON THE BELIEF THAT THIS WILL GET A MINIMUM OF THREE VOTES IS WHY IT IS NOT BEFORE US FOR THE FY23 BUDGET ON JUNE 16TH.

SHOULD THIS ITEM FAIL THEN I PRESUME OUT OF PROCEDURE AND POLICY, IT'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING ON JUNE 16TH.

BUT WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, VICE MAYOR, GO ON YOUR LIST. GO AHEAD.

>>YES. CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF WHAT A FISCAL IMPACT IS?

>> CITY MANAGER, IS THAT GERMANE TO THE CONVERSATION FOR THIS ITEM?

>> YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOTED, COMMISSIONER, VICE MAYOR, REGARDING THE INCONSISTENCIES IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND HAVING BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION, I WILL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS AND WE'LL SPEAK WITH DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS CONSISTENCY.

>> THANK YOU. THE MEMO HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, BUT SHE SAID ON THE RECORD THERE IS NO FISCAL IMPACT.

BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THIS IS PART OF THE LEGACY OF [INAUDIBLE] AND HE USED THIS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS TO STAIN THE NAME OF THE COMMISSION, TO WORK WITH THE [OVERLAPPING] BLOGS, AND NEWSPAPER TO GO IN [OVERLAPPING] THE NAME OF THE COMMISSION THAT WAS A BAD REPUTATION.

>> BEING RECOGNIZED.

>> I BELIEVE WE HAVE COUNTLESS TIMES MENTIONED THE FACT THAT.

>> THE ATTORNEYS THAT ARE CORRECT WHEN IT BORDERS.

>> [OVERLAPPING] ON THAT, YOU DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE.

>> HE HASN'T FINISHED HIS SETTING VERB TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A VIABLE POINT OF ORDER.

PLEASE LET THE COMMISSIONER FINISH HIS SENTENCE. PLEASE PROCEED.

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>> WE CAN SEE THAT ABOUT ANYBODY FROM THIS COMMISSION.

>>GENTLEMEN. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, YOU WERE MAKING A POINT OF ORDER, PLEASE PROCEED WITH THE ITEM TO THIS REFERENCE.

>> [OVERLAPPING] WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT'S STILL IN THE COURT SYSTEM REFERENCING SOMEONE, YET THE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS UP IS COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

BECAUSE COMMISSIONER BOLTON CAME TO MY OFFICE TO TELL ME ABOUT THE SITUATION.

>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, AT THIS TIME.

>> COME ON NOW.

>> THE POINT OF ORDER FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY IS WHETHER OR NOT AGAIN, BRINGING UP ITEMS, THAT ARE NOT RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE DETERMINED OF THIS ITEM BEFORE US.

WE HAVE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS BEFORE US AND DISPARAGING EACH OTHER OR OTHERS IS AGAINST OUR RULES.

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE PROCEED.

>> MADAM MAYOR.

>> [OVERLAPPING] NO, WE HAVE ONE POINT OF ORDER ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW AND THAT SHOULD BE ANSWERED FIRST. [OVERLAPPING]

>> MADAM MAYOR. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE ANSWERED FIRST.

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE PROCEED.

>> I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY A THOUSAND APPROPRIATE POINT OF ORDER AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR RESPONSE.

>> HOW ABOUT IF YOU TWO WOULD JUST LET HIM FINISH. HE WILL ANSWER.

>> THE ITEM BEFORE THIS BODY RIGHT NOW IS THE ORDINANCE THAT TITLE HAS BEEN WRITTEN FOR YOU.

NOW, THIS IS A LONGER RESPONSE, UNDER YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, YOUR DISCUSSION IS SUPPOSED TO BE CONFINED TO THE ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS IS I BELIEVE TRYING TO MAKE THAT POINT.

YES, THAT YOUR RULES SAY YOU TALK ABOUT THE ITEM THAT IS BEFORE YOU AND YOU CONFINED YOUR DISCUSSION TO THAT ITEM AND TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY OF YOU ALL HAVE GONE OUTSIDE THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE ITEM, THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.

>> I HAVE NOT GONE OUTSIDE THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE ITEM.

>> ACTUALLY, THE ITEM IS ALSO ON A SECOND ITEM WHEN YOU ARE BACK AROUND FOR YOUR SECOND TIME, WHICH YOU ARE.

>> I GOT 13 SECONDS OUT OF MY TWO MINUTES.

>> WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR SECOND ITEM, THE SECOND ITEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE SPECIFIC TO ANY ONE ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FOR THE TOPIC AT HAND, AND ACCORDING TO OUR RULES, WHICH WE HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING, IT AS A ONE-MINUTE ITEM.

WE HAVE GIVEN TWO MINUTES, SO LET'S BRING IT BACK AND DEAL WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY, PLEASE.

YOUR LAST MINUTE IS CONTINUING.

>> AS I WAS SAYING, LANGUAGE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

IF THERE'S NO FISCAL IMPACT, THAT SHOULD BE CLEARLY STATED.

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE RESIDENTS CALLING AND EMAILING AND MAKING STATEMENTS USING FALSE INFORMATION.

THERE IS NO FISCAL IMPACT, THERE WAS NEVER ANY FISCAL IMPACT AND THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED BECAUSE AS I STATED BEFORE, WE HAVE A FORMER CITY MANAGER WHO WAS ARRESTED AND USING INFORMATION TO CRITICIZE AND ALLOW THE NEWSPAPERS TO HARASS THE [OVERLAPPING] ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THAT'S NOT FAIR.

>> CITY ATTORNEY.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE SURE HER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE ADDRESS THIS DISPARAGING [OVERLAPPING] COMMENT THAT CONTINUES TO BE MADE FROM THE FILES.

>> STATING FACTS ABOUT A CROOKED CITY MANAGER IS NOT DISPARAGING.

[OVERLAPPING] I KNOW THAT'S YOUR FRIEND, BUT IT'S NOT DISPARAGING.

>> SURE. I THINK THAT EVERYONE HERE AND EVERYONE WHO MAY BE LISTENING IS AWARE OF THE ARREST OF THE PRIOR CITY MANAGER.

IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WIDELY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION ELECTED TO MOVE ON FROM HIS EMPLOYMENT AND THE BASIS FOR WHICH HE WAS ARRESTED AND THE BASIS FOR WHICH PRESUMPTIVELY THIS COMMISSION VOTED TO TERMINATE HIS EMPLOYMENT IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

IT'S WELL KNOWN.

IT'S NOT ABOUT FRANKLY WHAT HE MAY HAVE DONE WITH THE NEWSPAPERS, THAT'S RUMORS SPECULATION.

WHAT HE WAS ARRESTED FOR WAS PRESUMPTIVELY ENGAGING IN ATTEMPT TO EXTORT A DEVELOPER.

THAT'S WHAT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD AND THAT'S AN ALLEGATION.

>> ARE YOU DONE WITH THIS ITEM, VICE MAYOR? THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE FACT OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE REPEALING THIS ITEM.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, I ASKED BEFORE IF YOU COULD READ SECTION 2-34 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PROCEDURES,

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SECTION H AND THEN E BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I SPEAK, I'M BEING INTERRUPTED BY COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS AND THE CHAIR IS NOT PUNISHING HIM AND SO DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE AN EXCUSE FROM THE MEETING?

>> CITY ATTORNEY, AGAIN, THE TOPIC AT HAND, THIS IS [OVERLAPPING]

>> I CAN ADDRESS THE CITY ATTORNEY.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE ONE, BUT IT'S ONE I BELIEVE IT DOES SAY AND SO EVERYONE PLEASE, BE MINDFUL WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY.

DURING THE CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS, THE CITY COMMISSION MEMBERS SHALL PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM AND SHALL NEITHER BY CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE, DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS OR THE PACE OF THE CITY COMMISSION, NOR REFUSE TO OBEY THE RULES OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS WHETHER TO VOTE UP OR DOWN A REPEAL OF THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD AS PART OF THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS EXTRANEOUS TO THAT CONVERSATION.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU DONE? I KNOW YOU'RE READING SOMETHING ON YOUR COMP. ARE YOU DONE? [OVERLAPPING]

>> I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE IT IF YOU REGULATE [OVERLAPPING]

>> VICE MAYOR, IF I DID NOT READ THIS SECTION OF THE PROCEDURES THAT YOU WERE ASKING ME TO, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I FOUND THE QUICKEST.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S ALSO NOT THE TOPIC AT HAND.

THE TOPIC AT HAND IS WHETHER OR NOT TO REPEAL THIS ITEM.

RULES AND REGULATIONS, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS ABOUT IT BEFORE.

IT SEEMS SOME PEOPLE ONLY THINK RULES AND REGULATIONS PERTAINED TO OTHERS AND NOT TO THEMSELVES.

WE'RE NOT HERE ABOUT OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.

WE CAN DO ANOTHER WORKSHOP ON IT.

>> BUT IF YOU [OVERLAPPING] DON'T REGULATE [OVERLAPPING].

>> THERE'S NO VOTES.

>> BUT IF HE CONTINUOUS INTERRUPTION, THEN I HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THE ITEM, SO DO YOUR JOB.

>> VICE MAYOR, YOU SEEM TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR OWN ISSUES HERE ON THE DESK.

LET'S NOT GO THERE.

IF WE JUST ACT LIKE ADULTS, IT REALLY WOULD BE A PLEASURE.

>> LAID HIM.

>> CITY CLERK.

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR.

>> GIVE ME A SECOND. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, DO YOU HAVE YOUR SECOND ITEM REGARDING THIS TOPIC AT HAND?

>> I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES, EVEN THOUGH MAJORITY OF US PASSED THIS, THE INTENT WAS THERE AND THE ONES THAT BOUGHT IT ON THIS ITEM IN FAVOR OF IT SHOULD REPEAL IT.

>> THANK YOU. NOW, WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, ON OUR FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE TO APPEAL IT.

>> POINT OF ORDER, MADAM MAYOR.

>> ITS REPEAL AND REPENT.

>> THAT'S NOT IN THERE. IF YOU WOULD, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR THIS ITEM.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. VICE MAYOR GELIN?

>> MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU.

WE ARE GOING TO 6B-TO502.

[6.b TO2502 - An Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, amending Chapter 22, Article VIII of the code of ordinances of the City of Tamarac, entitled â€oeWater Conservation Regulationsâ€, specifically amending Section 22-303 entitled â€oeYear-Round Permanent Landscape Irrigation Measuresâ€ to extend the schedule in which no water use restrictions are in effect from 7:00 am to 6:00 pm to ensure the safety of our residents and children that use the sidewalks during school hours; providing for severability; providing for codification; providing an effective date.]

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

[NOISE]

>> MAYOR, MEMBERS TO COMMISSION.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE CITY COMMISSIONERS, CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 22, ARTICLE 8 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF TAMARAC, ENTITLED WATER CONSERVATION REGULATIONS.

SPECIFICALLY AMENDING SECTION 22-303, ENTITLED YEAR-ROUND PERMANENT LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION MEASURES.

TO EXTEND THE SCHEDULE IN WHICH NO WATER USE RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT FROM 07:00 A.M. TO 06:00 P.M. TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS AND CHILDREN USE THE SIDEWALKS DURING SCHOOL HOURS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO, MOTION, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, SECOND.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN ITEM ON FIRST READING, THEREFORE, THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

MS. CALLOWAY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

SEEING THAT THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FROM THE DALLAS CITY COURT ROOM.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION.

>> ACTUALLY, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING THE FISCAL IMPACT.

A VERY CLEAR STATEMENT, THERE WILL BE NO DIRECT BUDGETARY IMPACT IMPOSED BY THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS JUST CLEAR LANGUAGE IN THESE MEMOS THAT ARE GIVEN TO US AND NOT FUZZY LANGUAGE, JUST DIRECT ENGLISH. THANK YOU.

>> SEEING THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER ON THIS ITEM.

CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> SURE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

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>> MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU.

>> WE CAN DO IT, SO 6C TO2504,

[6.c TO 2504 - An ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida amending Chapter 10, Article 4, entitled â€oeDevelopment and Design Standardsâ€ by amending Section 10-4.10 entitled â€oeSignsâ€ of the City of Tamarac code of ordinances, by specifically amending Section 10-4.10(L) entitled, â€oeProhibited Signsâ€ lifting the prohibition on billboard signs on city owned property and rights of way, and amending Section 10-4.10 (D) entitled â€oeGeneral Sign Requirementsâ€ by creating section 10-4.10(D)(4) entitled, â€oeSigns Permitted on City Owned Property/ Right of Wayâ€ to provide for performance standards for billboard signs, subject to special exception approval; providing for codification; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSIONER OF CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 10 ARTICLE 4 ENTITLED DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS BY AMENDING SECTION 10-410 ENTITLED SIGNS OF CITY OF TAMARAC CODE OF ORDINANCES BY SPECIFICALLY AMENDING SECTION 10-4.10L ENTITLED PROHIBITED SIGNS, LIFTING THE PROHIBITION ON BILLBOARD SIGNS AND CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND AMENDING SECTION 10-4.10D ENTITLED GENERAL SIGN REQUIREMENTS BY CREATING SECTION 10-4.10D4 ENTITLED SCIENCE PERMITTED ON CITY OWN PROPERTY RIGHT-OF-WAY, TO PROVIDE FOR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR BILLBOARD SIGNS SUBJECT TO SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPROVAL, PROVIDED FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON A SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON WITH THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS WITH THE SECOND.

MS. CALLOWAY HAS THE BILL AND WILL BE MAKING A PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

[NOISE]

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MAXINE CALLOWAY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

FOR THE RECORD.

WHAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR DEPARTMENT BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS 3N OUTDOOR MEDIA INC. AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE TEXT OF THE CODE TO LIFT THE PROHIBITION THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS ON BILLBOARD SIGNS.

JUST SOME QUICK BACKGROUND, THE APPLICANT CAME IN TO SEE UP BETWEEN MARCH REGARDING THEIR INTERESTS TO INSTALL A BILLBOARD IN THE CITY AND OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME WAS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THE CODE CURRENTLY PROHIBITS BILLBOARD IN THE CITY AND THAT THE ONLY APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH OUR CODE PROVIDES FOR THAT ALLOWS APPLICANT TO AMEND THE TEXT OF YOUR CODE AS THEY EXIST FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WHETHER TO LIFT THE PROHIBITION ON BILLBOARDS.

STAFF DID SOME RESEARCH IN PREPARATION FOR THE APPLICATION.

ONCE IT WAS FILED IN OUR OFFICE, WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES.

WE LOOKED AT WHERE BILLBOARDS ARE LOCATED, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY NEXT EXPRESSWAYS AND MAJOR HIGHWAYS.

WE LOOKED AT THE HEIGHT, THE SIZE.

WE LOOKED AT FLORIDA STATUTE WHICH CURRENTLY REGULATES BILLBOARDS, AND WE DETERMINED BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT SIGN COULD HAVE, THAT SHOULD THE CITY COMMISSION CONSIDER LIFTING THE PROHIBITION, THAT YOU SHOULD DO SO NUMBER 1, WITH SOME SAFE GUARDS, CONSIDERING THE APPLICATIONS AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND THEN LOOK IN AT SOME SAFE GUARDS AND SOME GUIDELINES AND SOME PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AS A PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

THAT'S IF THE CITY COMMISSION WERE TO CONSIDER LIFTING THE PROHIBITION.

STAFF WILL BE TALKING TO YOU THIS EVENING ABOUT CERTAIN PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN THE EVENT THAT COMMISSION DECIDES TO LIFT THAT PROHIBITION IN A LIMITED WAY.

TO BEGIN WITH, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ON THE SCREEN YOUR CURRENT CODE AS IT EXISTS.

THIS IS SECTION 10-4.10(L), THAT LISTS ALL THE SIGNS OF THE CITY THAT ARE CURRENTLY PROHIBITED.

THE TEXT AMENDMENT ALLOWS US TO PROPOSE CHANGES, A MODIFICATION TO THE CODE.

OF COURSE, THE COMMISSION DECIDES AND YOU DELIBERATE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO ACCEPT.

THIS IS THE LIST OF PROHIBITED SIGNS IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AND LIFTING THE PROHIBITION, STAFF IS PROPOSING TEXTS THAT WOULD GO INTO SECTION 1 OF SECTION 10-4.10(L).

THE RED SHOWS THE TEXT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED EXCEPT PERMITTED BILLBOARD SIGNS AND THAT EXCEPTION WOULD ALLOW WE KNOW THAT BILLBOARD SIGNS HAVE FLASH AND LIGHT AND ILLUMINATES, AND SO THAT EXCEPTION TEXTS WOULD BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO CONSIDER IN LIFTING THE PROHIBITION.

THE ACTUAL PROHIBITION EXISTS IN NUMBER 8 THAT SAYS BILLBOARD SIGNS.

THE TEXTS THAT WOULD ALLOW TO LIFT IT IN A LIMITED WAY, WOULD BE EXCEPT AS PERMITTED ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY OR RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED AS A PROPOSED TEXTS AS BEING RECOMMENDED IN ORDER TO CONSIDER LIFTING THAT PROHIBITION.

THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION THEN I'LL GO THROUGH THE OTHER TEXTS AMENDMENT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IF YOU SHOULD LIFT THIS PROHIBITION.

THAT WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS, PUT ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR BILLBOARDS, PRIMARILY, NUMBER 1, MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION, WHICH MEANS ANY APPLICATION COMING FORWARD WOULD NEED TO

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FILE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION WITH HER OFFICE AND GO THROUGH A HEARING PROCESS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL AS THE CITY COMMISSION TO CONSIDER PLACEMENT AND LOCATION OF BILLBOARDS.

THE SECOND THING IS A LOCATION.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO THE LOCATION ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES ON RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT IS ADJACENT TO AN EXPRESSWAY.

THAT WOULD ONLY BE THE SAWGRASS EXPRESSWAY AND THE FLORIDA TURNPIKE, WHICH WOULD SPECIFICALLY BE CALLED OUT IN THE TEXT AS IT IS HERE.

THE ORIENTATION OF THE BILLBOARD SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL, AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IT BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE MAJOR EXPRESSWAY AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE SIGN FACE WOULD BE SHOWING.

WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING TEXTS ON THE NUMBER OF SIGN FACE PERMITTED, AND SO IF THE BILLBOARD IS LOCATED WITHIN 150 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OR ZONING DISTRICT THEN ONE SIGN FACE WOULD BE PERMITTED.

IF IT MEETS A DISTANCE SEPARATION AND IT'S 1,500 FEET, THEN THAT BILLBOARD WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE TWO SIGN FACE.

STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSED AN ADDITIONAL TEXTS AS SEEN HERE IN SECTION 10- 4.10(D)(4) THAT WOULD DEAL WITH THE STANDARDS FOR THE DOUBLE FACE SIGN AND IT WOULD TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A V-SHAPE OR NOT, ALSO REQUIRING CERTAIN SETBACKS FOR THE SIGN AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY FOUND IN CHAPTER 479 OF FLORIDA STATUTE.

WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS NO LESS THAN 150 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY, NO LESS THAN 1,500 FEET FOR A DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM ONE BILLBOARD TO THE NEXT BILLBOARD, AND SOME ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS AS IT RELATES TO EXISTING GOVERNMENT SIGNS OR SIGNS THAT ARE ON AN EXPRESSWAY, A 50-FOOT SEPARATION DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE SIGNS.

ADDITIONALLY, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS INCLUDE THE HEIGHT, THE SIZE, LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT, AND CONSISTENCY WITH FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.

THE HEIGHT NOT EXCEEDING 50 FEET IN HEIGHT, A SQUARE FOOTAGE NOT EXCEEDING 672 SQUARE FEET.

REQUIREMENTS THAT THE LANDSCAPE BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE AND UTILIZATION OF NATIVE LANDSCAPE MATERIALS, [NOISE] THAT THE PROPOSED BILL BOARD STRUCTURE SHALL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, AND NO EMBELLISHMENTS EXTENDED FROM THE SIGN FACE OR SIGN STRUCTURED ARE PERMITTED ON ANY OF THE BILLBOARD SIGN.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME TEXTS AMENDMENT AS IT RELATES TO ILLUMINATION AND ANIMATED MEASURES AND SOME PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.

ALSO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE BILLBOARD NEEDS ARE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 479.

WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE LIST, THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER TEXTS AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSING JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEIR SAFEGUARD MEASURES THAT'S BUILT INTO THE CODE.

FINALLY, THE LAST TEXT AMENDMENT HAS TO DO WITH FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIREMENTS.

EXTERNAL AGENCY APPROVAL REQUIRED, SO THE APPLICANT WOULD FIRST NEED TO HAVE APPROVAL FROM FDOT PRIOR TO MAKING AN APPLICATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

WE ALSO INCLUDED LANGUAGE RELATIVE TO TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP THAT SHOULD APPLICATION BE APPROVED FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION THAT IT REMAINS THAT BILLBOARD WOULD REMAIN WITH THAT OWNER UNLESS APPROVED BY THE CITY FOR ANY TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP.

FINALLY, A CATCH-ALL PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT ANY APPLICATION OR PERMIT FOR BILLBOARD SIGN REGARDLESS OF THE DISTANCE SEPARATION IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE SIGN WILL POSE A DETRIMENT TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.

I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE CODE AS IT RELATES TO WHAT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS AND WHY STAFF FELT THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO INCLUDE THIS AS AN APPLICATION TYPE BECAUSE YOUR SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS IS DESIGNED FOR CERTAIN USE THAT DUE TO THEIR NATURE AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS AND SURROUNDING AREAS REQUIRE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION OF THEIR LOCATION, DESIGN, AND METHODS OF OPERATION, AS WELL AS THE IMPOSITION OF CONDITIONS TO MITIGATE CERTAIN CONCERNS BEFORE THEY CAN BE DEEMED APPROPRIATE IN A ZONING DISTRICT AND COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR SURROUNDED USE.

THAT'S WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT SHOULD YOU LIFT THE PROHIBITION THAT BILLBOARD SIGNS SHOULD COME IN UNDER A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION BECAUSE OF THEIR UNIQUENESS.

BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPOSED TEXTS AMENDMENT, JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU WHERE WE THINK THIS BILLBOARDS COULD BE LOCATED IN THE CITY, SHOULD YOU LIFT THE PROHIBITION.

THIS IS A COPY OF THE CITY'S ZONING MAP.

I STATED BEFORE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT ANY TEXTS AMENDMENT THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS EVENING ALLOWS BILLBOARDS

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AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ADJACENT TO THE SAWGRASS EXPRESSWAY AS WELL AS OR ADJACENT TO THE FLORIDA TURNPIKE.

THIS IS SHOWING YOU WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE.

[NOISE] SPECIFICALLY THE FIRST LOCATION THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE FLORIDA TURNPIKE, THIS MAP IS SHOWING YOU THREE POTENTIAL LOCATION THAT AN APPLICANT COULD FILE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION TO BE CONSIDERED BY THIS BODY TO PLACE A BILLBOARD, SHOULD THE CITY COMMISSION LIFT THE PROHIBITION ON BILLBOARDS.

LIKEWISE, THIS IS ADJACENT TO THE SAWGRASS EXPRESSWAY.

AT THE VERY TOP, OF COURSE, IS TO THE NORTH OF TEPHFORD PARK, AND TO THE WEST IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SAWGRASS EXPRESSWAY, THAT STRIP OF LAND IS OWNED BY THE CITY, THE CITY IS RIGHT AWAY IN, THAT'S ADDITIONAL LOCATION WHERE POTENTIALLY IF THE DISTANCE SEPARATION IS MET UP TO FIVE APPLICATIONS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION COULD BE FILED AND CONSIDERED BY THIS BODY FOR A BILLBOARD IN THIS LOCATION.

THIS IS THE CONTINUATION OF THAT SAME LOCATION, I COULDN'T FIT EVERYTHING ON ONE SLIDE, SO I'M JUST SHOWING IT HERE AND POTENTIALLY ONE BILLBOARD SIGN COULD BE LOCATED HERE OR YOU COULD CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A BILLBOARD SIGN TO BE LOCATED HERE.

THIS IS THE CITY SUNSET POINT PARK PROPERTY.

AGAIN, GIVEN THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT, THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AND A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION COULD BE FILED FOR CONSIDERATION.

[NOISE] BASED ON THE CODE, TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION HAS CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT HAS TO BE MET.

STAFF BELIEVES THE STANDARDS RELATIVE TO THIS TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION HAS BEEN MET AS OUTLINED IN YOUR CODE AND FURTHER OUTLINED IN THE MEMORANDUM.

THE TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION ALSO MEETS THE POLICIES OUTLINED IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ALLOWS YOU TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO YOUR CODE AT YOUR DISCRETION.

[NOISE] THE APPLICATION ALSO MEETS THE STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER 4.

THE PLANNING BOARD HEARD THIS ITEM AT THE LAST MEETING AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO MOVE THE ITEM FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I REMAIN AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, COMMISSIONER BOLTON, VICE MAYOR GELIN.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A QUICK QUESTION, MAXINE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE BUILDING A WALKING BRIDGE FROM SOUTH GATE TO THE SAWGRASS.

IS THAT TRUE, CITY MANAGER?

>> THERE IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE MPO RELATED TO A BRIDGE THAT WOULD TRAVERSE THE SAWGRASS.

>> WILL A SIGN ON THE SOUTH GATE SECTION ABIDE WITH THE WALKING BRIDGE?

>> FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WITH THAT, I THINK IT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH COCONUT CREEK WITH THE CITY OF TAMARAC, WITH THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS AND I THINK IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT.

IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET FUNDING?

>> THE MPO IS REALLY SPEARHEADING IT BECAUSE OF THE SOMEWHAT REGIONAL NATURE OF IT WHERE IT INVOLVED THE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.

IT'S VERY CONCEPTUAL, IT'S VERY FAR OUT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>> PUTTING A SIGN THERE WILL OR NOT BE A PROBLEM.

>> BASED ON THE TEXT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED A SIGN GOING IN ANY LOCATION WOULD REQUIRE A SITE PLAN, IT REQUIRES SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION, IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, COME BEFORE THIS BODY AND YOU'D BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT APPLICATION BASED ON ITS OWN MERIT.

IF A BRIDGE IS ALREADY THERE, THEN CLEARLY EITHER THE APPLICANT WOULDN'T FILE AN APPLICATION OR YOU WOULD NOT SUPPORT A BILLBOARD IN THAT LOCATION.

IF THE BRIDGE GETS THERE FIRST BUT THE POINT HERE I'M MAKING IS THAT AN APPLICATION BEFORE THIS BODY IS REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR ANY CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO A BILLBOARD.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

COMMISSIONER BOLTON. [NOISE]

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. QUESTION FOR, MS. CALLOWAY OR THE APPLICANT.

THE APPLICANT. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE YOUR ADVERTISERS?

>> IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE JOIN US AND STATE YOUR NAME AND OR THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING YOU.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING,

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I'M GARY RESNICK WITH A LAW FIRM GRAYROBINSON AND I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT WHO IS HERE, BY THE WAY, AND SO THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL, AS WELL AS THEIR OTHER ATTORNEY, MS. CAESAR.

GOOD EVENING, ALMOST GOOD MORNING.

[LAUGHTER] PLEASURE BEING WITH YOU TONIGHT.

WITH RESPECT TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BOLTON, THERE ARE NATIONAL AGENCIES THAT CONNECT ADVERTISERS WITH BILLBOARD OWNERS AND THE BILLBOARD COMPANIES HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH AGENCIES THAT IDENTIFY AND FIND THESE ADVERTISERS.

THEY'RE DONE GENERALLY THROUGH AGENCIES AND CONTRACTORS THAT THE BILLBOARD COMPANIES HIRE.

>> LET'S SAY AN ADULT ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY WANTS TO ADVERTISE ON THE BILLBOARD.

DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REJECT THE ADVERTISING OR NO? [BACKGROUND]

>> YES. HI, MY NAME IS ERIC NADEL I'M THE PRESIDENT OF 3N, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I WANT TO COMPLIMENT MAXINE, YOUR STAFF IS JUST AMAZING.

I'VE WORKED IN MY LIFETIME WITH OVER 50 CITIES AND I'M REALLY JUST AMAZING HOW MUCH KNOWLEDGE MAXINE HAS, ABOUT THE SPACING, EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD FROM MAXINE IS SPOT ON.

THANKS FOR YOUR QUESTION BY THE WAY, THE ADVERTISING.

THE BILLBOARD BUSINESS IS MOSTLY A LOCAL ADVERTISING BUSINESS, NOT NATIONAL, IT'S REGIONAL.

MOST BILLBOARD YOU SEE ARE LAWYERS, THEY'RE DOCTORS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCRIMINATE, BUT NOW WOULD WE PUT AN ADULT BUSINESS OR ANYTHING THAT COULD BE? NO. WE HAVE THE RIGHT ON A BILLBOARD OR WHAT WE ALLOW OUR OWNERS SPACE AND WHAT WE DON'T ALLOW, BUT THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, IT'S DISCRETION AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS.

YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY.

>> YOU WOULD TELL AN ADVERTISER, YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE.

>> I WOULD TELL THEM BASED ON A MESSAGE THEY WANT TO PLACE ON A BOARD, BUT THE ANSWER IS YES.

>> FIRST OF ALL, AM I ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO THAT? THANK YOU.

I DID WANT TO COMMEND MS. CALLOWAY AND HER TEAM BECAUSE THEY SPEND A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME UNDERSTANDING THE STATE REGULATIONS.

BILLBOARDS ARE HEAVILY REGULATED.

THEY'RE REGULATED BY THE STATE, BY FDOT.

THEY HAVE TO GET AN FDOT PERMIT, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FDOT REGULATIONS.

THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH STATE STATUTE, AS WELL AS LOCAL GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.

THE ORDINANCE THAT MS. CALLOWAY CREATED OR STAFF CREATED LIMITS BILLBOARDS TO CITY ON PROPERTY OR CITY RIGHTS AWAY.

THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN A BILLBOARD COMPANY AND THE CITY TO USE THE CITY-OWNED PROPERTY.

IT WOULD BE A LEASE IN THE CASE OF CITY PROPERTY AND IT WOULD BE A RIGHT-OF-WAY USE AGREEMENT PRESUMABLY WITH RESPECT TO CITY RIGHTS OF AWAY.

THOSE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE BILLBOARD COMPANY COULD PROVIDE FOR ADVERTISING RESTRICTIONS IF THAT'S WHAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTED TO DO.

BUT YOU DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE BILLBOARDS ARE FIRST AMENDMENT SPEAKERS.

YOU CANNOT VIOLATE THE FIRST AMENDMENT AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY WITH RESPECT TO BILLBOARD ADVERTISING.

>> WOULD YOU THEN CONSIDER THAT FREE SPEECH ALSO, PERHAPS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHERE POLITICAL SPEECH IS CONCERNED?

>> AGAIN, THERE WERE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH RESPECT TO RESTRICTIONS ON SPEECH ON BILLBOARDS.

BUT IF A PARTICULAR COMPANY AND I'M NOT SAYING MY CLIENT BUT OTHER COMPANIES THAT MAY COME TO THE CITY AND WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO GET A BILLBOARD APPROVED IN THE CITY.

IF THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY FOR USE OF CITY PROPERTY, THEY CAN AGREE TO ANYTHING THEY WANT IN THAT AGREEMENT.

IF THEY WANT TO AGREE THAT THEY WON'T ADVERTISE ALCOHOL OR ADULT ESTABLISHMENTS SO WON'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON RELIGIOUS ADVERTISEMENT OR POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENT, THEY'RE FREE TO PUT THAT IN AN AGREEMENT.

>> THE BILLBOARD COMPANY WOULD COME TO THE CITY, BRING FORTH AN AGREEMENT AND THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THAT BILLBOARD COMPANY?

>> THEN WHAT IS YOUR ROLE IN THIS, YOU'RE NOT THE BILLBOARD COMPANY?

>> NO, WE ARE, 3N IS A BILLBOARD COMPANY THEY'RE THE APPLICANT FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO GET THE CITY TO REMOVE THE PROHIBITION AND THE CODE THAT PROHIBITS BILLBOARDS IN THE CITY.

YES, THEY'VE BASICALLY PAID ON THEIR DIME FOR THE CITY TO REMOVE THAT PROHIBITION, WHICH WILL BENEFIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

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THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO USE ANY PARTICULAR SITE IN THE CITY, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS SOLELY THE AMENDMENTS TO YOUR CODE TO POTENTIALLY ALLOW BILLBOARDS IN THE CITY AND THERE'S NO PARTICULAR SITE FOR A BILLBOARD THAT YOU'RE APPROVING TONIGHT, THIS IS JUST PURELY TO AMEND YOUR CODE WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT MS. CALLOWAY AND HER TEAM CREATED TO ALLOW BILLBOARDS SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE.

>> LET ME ADD ONE QUICK THING, FOR THE RECORD MR. CAESAR, TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION.

AS GARY JUST SAID, THIS IS SIMPLY A STEP IN OPENING UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO OCCUR DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'RE CERTAINLY SENSITIVE TO THE THINGS YOU'RE MENTIONING AND THAT THE CITY GENERALLY IS CONCERNED ABOUT, WE CERTAINLY SHARE THAT SENSITIVITY AS THEIR ADVERTISERS.

>> WELL, SINCE THAT TOPIC IS NOT BEFORE US, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT THAT, POLITICAL ADS OR COMMISSIONERS SPENDING, PERSONAL FUNDS TO ADVERTISE AND PROMOTE THEMSELVES.

BELIEVE ME, THIS HAPPENED. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING.

MITCH, I KNOW THAT YOUR TEAM TALKED ABOUT MS. CALLOWAY BEING SMART.

WE KNOW SHE'S SMART. [LAUGHTER] THANKS FOR THE REMINDER.

BUT MITCH, YOU'RE EVEN SMARTER. I'M JUST JOKING.

YOU'RE SMART AND YOU WORK SO HARD.

YOU DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU CALLED ME SO MANY TIMES.

I WAS UPSET YOU WERE CALLING ME SO MANY TIMES.

BUT YOU WORKED HARD, AND OF COURSE, ATTORNEY RESNICK, WE SHARE THE BROAD LEGAL STUDIES BOARD TOGETHER AND YOU'RE ALWAYS SO WELL PUT TOGETHER AND SO WELL SPOKEN THAT I JUST BUY ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR COMING.

>> AS I SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS A CONCEPT.

HOPEFULLY, IT'LL PASS TODAY, AND WILL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE CITY TO EXPLORE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND BE A REVENUE SOURCE THAT SIMPLY DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR GELIN, THEN COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> THANK YOU. FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOLKS FOR BEING HERE FOR BRINGING THIS REVENUE-GENERATING OPPORTUNITY TO THE CITY.

I JUST WANT TO COMMEND MITCH CAESAR FOR BRINGING THIS UP MAYBE A YEAR AGO, IT WAS WHEN YOU FIRST CALLED ME ABOUT IT?

>> IT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER.

>> PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH GOVERNMENTS, SOMETIMES IT'S AN EXTREMELY LONG PROCESS AND I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU HAD TO WAIT THIS LONG TO GET THIS ITEM HEARD BEFORE YOU, BUT I HOPE YOU ENJOYED YOUR TIME IN THE COMMISSION MEETING TODAY.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT OUR STAFF WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD.

I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING SOME NICE BILLBOARDS IN TAMARAC. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IT SEEMS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TWO YEARS AGO, BUT IT DOES TAKE AWHILE.

HOW LONG ARE THESE BILLBOARDS LEASED FOR?

>> ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE ADVERTISER? THE WAY DIGITAL BILLBOARD WORKS IS YOU HAVE EIGHT ADS PER SIDE OF EIGHT SECONDS.

ITS BASICALLY SPACE THAT YOU'RE SELLING PER PERIOD OF TIME.

AN ADVERTISER WITH TECHNOLOGY WE OPERATE, THEY CAN BUY.

I WANT THE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER, DEVELOPER TO THE USE A SPACE.

BY DIVIDING THE TIME, I CAN SELL AN AD TO COME FROM ONCE A DAY, ONCE A WEEK, TWICE A WEEK, WHATEVER HE WANTS.

YOU CAN NEVER DO THAT BEFORE TECHNOLOGY.

IT'S JUST AMAZING WHERE WE ARE NOW.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT?

>> WELL, I THINK SO.

THEY COULD LEASE IT FOR A DAY OR THEY COULD LEASE IT FOR A YEAR?

>> NO, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ADVERTISER.

YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE ADVERTISER OR THE CITY LEASE?

>> THE ADVERTISER.

>> THANK YOU. A LONG TIME AGO, YOU HAD TO SIGN A LONG-TERM CONTRACT BECAUSE THE SIGN HAS TO BE PAINTED AND POSTED.

WITH TECHNOLOGY, YOU HIT A BUTTON, CHANGES THE MESSAGE.

PLUS WE'RE GOING TO USE THESE BOARDS TO HELP TRAFFIC, TO HELP AMBER ALERT.

THERE'S SO MUCH GOOD THAT COMES OUT OF OUTDOOR ADVERTISING TODAY THAT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

>> LET ME ALSO WEIGH IN. ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH STAFF AS PART OF OUR PROPOSAL, SO TO SPEAK, IS TO ALSO GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME FOR FREE-SPACE TO THE CITY AS PART OF THE PACKAGE SO THAT THEY CAN PROMOTE TAMARAC IN WHATEVER WAY THEY FEEL APPROPRIATE.

THAT'S ALSO PART OF OUR PROPOSAL TO BE INNOVATIVE.

>> MS. CALLOWAY, IS THAT IN ANY OF OUR DOCUMENTATION?

>> COMMISSIONER AT THIS TIME IT WOULDN'T BE BECAUSE WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS JUST LIFTING THE PROHIBITION.

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SHOULD YOU LIFT THE PROHIBITION AND THEN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN PLACING A BILLBOARD IN THE CITY, THEY WOULD THEN MAKE AN APPLICATION TO OUR OFFICE FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND THEN THEY WOULD ENTER INTO A LEASE WITH THE CITY TO LEASE THAT PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHEN THAT DISCUSSION WOULD OCCUR.

>> OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THEN, IF AN ATTORNEY IS GOING TO PUT A BILLBOARD UP AND THEN THAT ATTORNEY'S LEASE IS OVER AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO TAKE IT OVER.

DO WE HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT OR ONCE WE GIVE THE OKAY FOR THE BILLBOARDS, THEY CAN LEASE IT 27 TIMES IN A MONTH AND NO MATTER WHAT IT IS? I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONTENT, I GUESS, IS WHERE I'M GOING.

>> YOU HAVE SOME DISCRETION.

DURING THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, YOU CAN ADD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT CAN REGULATE THAT THROUGH YOUR LEASE NEGOTIATION.

IT'S A CONTRACT. YOU CAN DO SOME THINGS HERE AS WELL.

IT'S AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE NEGOTIATING IN TERMS OF USE OF THE BILLBOARD, IN TERMS OF THE CITY'S USE OF THE BILLBOARD.

BUT YOU'RE NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT.

CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN'T PLACE IN THAT CONTRACT AND YOU CAN ADD CONDITIONS TO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION AS WELL.

>> IF MY COUNT IS CORRECT, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF 10 BILLBOARDS WITHIN OUR CITY.

>> WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A WORST-CASE SCENARIO, BUT I ALSO WANT TO IMPRESS ON THIS BODY THAT EACH BILLBOARD REQUIRES A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION DELIBERATION BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THIS BODY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW THAT IN THE CITY..

IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE.

THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

IT'S SOMEWHAT UNIQUE BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER SIGNS IN YOUR SIGN CODE ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT SIGNS.

THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUENESS THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION.

IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> WELL, I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE A GREAT IDEA, LIKE TRAFFIC ISSUES OR SOMETHING THE CITY COULD USE.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE BILLBOARDS SPLASHED ALL OVER THE CITY, I'LL BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU ABOUT THAT.

>> THAT'S WHY OUR INTENTION FIRST, AS HAS JUST BEEN STATED, IS EITHER BASICALLY ON CITY PROPERTY THAT REFLECTS THE SAWGRASS EXPRESSWAY OR THE TURNPIKE.

THIS DOES NOT IMPACT RESIDENTS.

WE'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.

AS JUST BEEN STATED, EACH SITE WOULD RISE OR FALL ON ITS OWN AS A SEPARATE APPLICATION.

I'LL PROBABLY GET IN TROUBLE BY SAYING THIS, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE PLAN TO GO APPLY FOR EVERY SITE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY OUR INTENTION.

SOME SITES WORK FOR US AND SOME DON'T.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE IN AT SEVEN SITES.

THAT WASN'T OUR THOUGHT.

FRANKLY, AS JUST BEEN STATED, EACH RISES AND FALLS SEPARATELY.

>> THANK YOU. WHILE YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE INTENTION TO HAVE ALL SEVEN SITES, I DO KNOW OF OTHER ENTITIES THAT MIGHT.

I'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED TO MITCH WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM.

CLEAR CHANNEL HAD APPROACHED US SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH A VERY NICE PACKAGE WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF ITEMS THAT WOULD BE GLORIOUS FOR THE CITY AND REVENUE-GENERATING AND ALL THIS GOOD STUFF.

OUR CODE WE HAVE MADE A CHANGE INTENTIONALLY THROUGH 2015 TO 2018 THAT WENT THROUGH SAYING, WE DON'T WANT THIS IN OUR CITY.

I UNDERSTAND THE GREAT BENEFITS THAT COULD BE.

BUT EVEN WITH SOME OF THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED, WE HAVE A PARK THAT'S GOING IN ONE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH NORTH LAUDERDALE TO GET TO THE PROPERTY.

IN OTHER, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHERE THE NORTH LAUDERDALE WILL ALLOW IT.

THE OTHER PART IS SUBJECT TO AN EXTENSION OF THE TURNPIKE.

THAT'LL BE KNOCKING OUT CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE OVER THERE.

ONE OF THE AREAS IS A POTENTIAL PLACE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE, IT LOOKS LIKE AND I COULD BE MISTAKEN BECAUSE I HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE LOOKING AT THE MAP, BUT BY OUR PARK WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING UP OUR BEAUTIFUL ARTWORK PIECE.

THE OTHER PART IS ALONG WHERE WE HAVE RESIDENCE, AND I KNOW WE SAY THAT IT'S ONLY GOING TO FACE AT THAT ONE, WE'D PROBABLY MAKE THE DECISION IT ONLY FACES THE PARKWAY OR THE SAWGRASS.

THERE ARE STUDIES DONE AND I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THEM.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS IS HEAVILY REGULATED DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT ALSO DOES INCREASE DRIVER DISTRACTION.

WE HAVE EVERYBODY ON THESE THINGS AS THEY DRIVE, AS THEY SPEED AND ISSUES THAT ARE THERE.

WELL, IT'S NICE SOMEBODY IS, I GUESS, LISTENING AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M SORRY, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THE TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGE, WHICH WILL THEN REQUIRE ORDINANCE CHANGE, OTHER CHANGES AND THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AND YOU WILL NOT BE THE FIRST PERSON AT THE PARTY.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO GUARANTEE THAT YOUR SITE SELECTION WOULD BE IT.

THE REVENUE THAT COULD BE GENERATED FOR THE CITY I DO NOT THINK

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OUTWEIGHS KEEPING THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE FOR THIS.

SETTING THE PRICES, SETTING WHO GETS POSTED AND WHO'S ALLOWED TO DO IT, I THINK WE GO INTO THAT SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WE HAD ISSUE BEFORE, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE REMOVED BUS BENCHES HAVING ADVERTISING, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY DID NOT WANT TO BE UTILIZED FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S ADVERTISING AT THIS TIME.

I DO THINK IT HAS AN IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS.

WE'VE HAD SOME RESIDENTS ALREADY EXPRESS TO US THEY DON'T WANT CERTAIN SIGNAGE.

SOME RESIDENTS THOUGHT THAT SOME OF THE SIGNAGE WE WERE DOING JUST FOR WAVE FINE SIGNS WERE TOO MUCH IN THE CITY.

THEN ALSO MAY MENTIONED THAT THEY DIDN'T CARE FOR BILLBOARDS AND THE LIKE.

WHILE I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE YOUR PRODUCT, I'M SORRY, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGE.

>> MY ONLY COMMENT WAS WE UNDERSTAND FULLY AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION DEFINITION WAS THROWN IN THERE, WHICH I THINK LEAVES TO SOME EXTENT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS.

IT SETS UP AN APPARATUS THAT PROTECTS THE CITY.

>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT ALSO KNOWING HOW THE CITY OPERATES AND HOW CERTAIN THINGS ARE MADE TO THEN GET ADJUSTED TO THEN ALLOW FOR WELL, IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

IT HAS TO MEET THIS CRITERIA.

WE'RE ABLE TO MEET THIS CRITERIA, WE'RE A BUNCH OF ATTORNEYS RIGHT NOW.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO GET THINGS DONE.

YOU WANT TO RUN OUT OF THEM, THAT'S FINE.

I'LL TAKE IT FOR THE THREE OF US RIGHT HERE.

WE KNOW, WE'RE AWARE, AND THAT'S WHERE I SAY SLIPPERY SLOPE AND I DON'T WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR THAT IN OUR CITY AND THEN HAVE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO IT AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR BUSINESS, CLEAR CHANNEL'S BUSINESS, ANYBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS.

I APPRECIATE THAT AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE RECOGNIZED THE HARD WORK OF OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, THE WHOLE TEAM, AND OUR BOARD.

THEY DO THINGS VERY WELL IN OUR CITY AND I THINK THAT INCLUDES THE VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER NOT ALLOWING BILLBOARDS IN OUR CITY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ATTORNEY, DO YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON FOR OUR COMMENT?

>> CAN I MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT?

>> SURE.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING.

FOR YEARS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WERE DEAD SET AGAINST BILLBOARDS FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT YOU MENTIONED AND RESIDENTS DIDN'T WANT THEM.

BUT IN ALL HONESTY, THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

THE PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS INDUSTRY IS SO SUCCESSFUL IS THAT THE BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY LOCAL BUSINESSES, CRAVE ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING.

THEY CRAVE ADDITIONAL WAYS OF BEING ABLE TO GET THEIR MESSAGE THROUGH TO THEIR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS, INCLUDING RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES IN TAMARAC.

I WILL POINT OUT THAT SINCE CLEAR CHANNEL SPOKE TO YOU TWO YEARS AGO, YOU ADOPTED CHANGES IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SUPPORT BILLBOARDS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

YOU INDICATED THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT BUSINESSES IN TAMARAC DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE MEANS TO ADVERTISE THEIR BUSINESS.

YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THIS IS ALL SET OUT IN THE JUSTIFICATION LETTER THAT I SUBMITTED IN OUR APPLICATION AS TO HOW THIS APPLICATION FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BECAUSE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY SHOULD AMEND ITS SIGN CODE TO CREATE MORE ADVERTISING OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESSES.

THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC, AND THAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE AGREEMENTS THAT THE CITY WILL NEGOTIATE WITH EACH BILLBOARD COMPANY THAT COMES TO THE CITY TO POTENTIALLY LEASE ONE OF THESE SEVEN SITES.

IF THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO LEASE A PARTICULAR SITE, IT CAN JUST SAY NO.

ONCE THIS ORDINANCE PASSES, IF IT DOES PASS, YOU'RE NOT UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO LEASE A PARTICULAR SITE, YOU CAN JUST SIMPLY SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO LEASE THAT SITE AND WALK AWAY.

YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO LEASE A PARTICULAR SITE.

I KNOW AND BELIEVE ME, I GET THAT YOU SAY, WELL, THERE'S THINGS, I THINK THERE'S WAYS THAT THINGS HAPPEN AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY CONTROL THINGS OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU ALSO DO HAVE, THE FACT IS THAT BILLBOARDS ARE GOING TO POP UP ON HIGHWAYS.

THE ADVERTISERS CRAVE IT AND DOT REGULATES THEM AND THEY'RE NOT DISTRACTING TO DRIVERS BECAUSE OF THE DOT REGULATIONS.

IN FACT, THERE'S A LOT OF STUDIES THAT SAY DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, WHICH IS WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THE CITY CODE IF THIS PASSES ARE LESS DISTRACTING THAN STATIC BILLBOARDS THAT YOU SEE ALL OVER 95 AND THE TURNPIKE NOW, BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTING AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE DONE WITH RESPECT TO THE TECHNOLOGY.

TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY.

BUSINESSES, PARTICULARLY LOCAL BUSINESSES, LOOK TO BILLBOARDS FOR ADVERTISING TO REACH THEIR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

LAWYERS, RESTAURANTS, DOCTORS, HOSPITALS.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A HOSPITAL THAT'S A MAJOR ANGER INSTITUTION IN TAMARAC.

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THEY WOULD CERTAINLY ADVERTISE ON A BILLBOARD ON THE SAWGRASS OR THE TURNPIKE AND IT WILL SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, SO YES, THERE ARE REASONS TO NOT SUPPORT THESE, BUT GIVEN THE LIMITED PARAMETERS THAT YOUR STAFF HAS INCLUDED IN THIS POTENTIAL ORDINANCE, WHERE THE CITY COULD JUST SAY NO AND REJECT ANY PARTICULAR SITE AND THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SITES THAT YOU CAN POTENTIALLY GET WOULD BE SEVEN I BELIEVE.

IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN ALSO, THERE'D BE ONLY SINGLE FACED SIGNS BECAUSE THE CITY STAFF HAS IMPOSED A 1500 FOOT SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIAL.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DOUBLE FACED SIGN.

IT'S A REALLY VERY LIMITED, SMALL STEP TO POTENTIALLY ALLOW ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES IN YOUR CODE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.

WELL, I GUESS I AM TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND ON THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE BENEFITS TO BILLBOARDS THAT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2019 ADDRESSED AND INDICATES THE CITY WOULD FAVOR.

>> IN MY REBUTTAL TO THAT BECAUSE YOU DEFINITELY HAVEN'T CHANGED MY MIND.

NICE TRY THOUGH, BUT THANK YOU.

THE FACT IS WE HAVE NO CONTROL ON HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE AND WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT OUR BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTIAL OWNERS WILL ACTUALLY, LOCAL OWNERS WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD ADVERTISING ON THERE.

NO GUARANTEE. ALSO, I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER ON THE SURVEYS THAT I'VE READ THAT SAYS THAT IT IS ACTUALLY A 2-3 MORE SECOND INCREASE WITH THE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, ESPECIALLY AS YOU ARE LOOPING THEM EVERY MINUTE, 30 SECONDS, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR LOOP IS FOR PEOPLE TO READ AS THEY ARE STARING UP, AS THEY ARE DRIVING TO SEE WHAT THE NEXT MESSAGE WILL BE.

ESPECIALLY IF THEY DRIVE THAT HIGHWAY LONG ENOUGH, THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH, OH, I MISSED THAT SIGN BEFORE I GOT TO LOOK AT IT AND THEY'RE TAKING THEIR EYES OFF THE ROAD, DISTRACTED DRIVING.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DO NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF.

THESE ARE COMPLETELY DISTRACTING.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO REGULATE PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES LOCALLY.

WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THAT ON THE SAWGRASS AND THEN ON THE TURNPIKE.

ALSO, THE TURNPIKE IS GOING TO BE EXPANDING.

I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE TELLING THE TURNPIKE WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING.

NO, I'M SORRY, WE'VE GOT A BILLBOARD IN THE WAY.

SAME THING WITH THE SAWGRASS.

SAWGRASS IS GOING TO BE EXPANDING.

PLUS CURRENTLY WE HAVE SOMETHING BEING LOOKED INTO FOR RAISING THE SOUND WALLS THAT ARE OVER THERE, BECAUSE THE SOUND WALLS ARE HIGH ENOUGH ON THE SAWGRASS, BUT NOT HIGH ENOUGH FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH ALL THE SOUND COMING OFF THE SAWGRASS.

THERE ARE FUTURE THINGS IN THE WORKS OVER THERE THAT AS I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND I APPRECIATE THE POSSIBILITY OF GENERATING SOME REVENUE, NO GUARANTEE REVENUE, THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO BE THE VOTE TO TAKE THE CHANCE OF CHANGING WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE AND ANY OTHER SIGN ORDINANCE AND HELP FOR ADVERTISING FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES.

I RATHER DO ON A LOCAL LEVEL IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. THANK YOU.

>> I DO WANT TO CLARIFY ONE QUICK POINT OR REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT IS FIRST OF ALL, THIS PROPOSAL IS DESIGNED NOT, I'LL REPEAT IT AGAIN.

NOT TO AFFECT RESIDENTS.

WE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY, SO IT WILL NOT, AND THE STAFF WILL NEVER ALLOW US TO EVEN IF WE WANTED TO.

SECONDARILY, AS WE'RE LOOKING UP TO THE SIGNS AND SO FORTH THERE ARE REGULATIONS.

>> I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER BOLTON HAD HIS LIGHT ON.

BUT YOU POPPED OFF MY SCREEN, SO GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

THE POTENTIAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY IS HOW MUCH?

>> IT'S WITHOUT GETTING INTO DETAILS, COMMISSIONER, A LEASE HAS BEEN SENT TO THE CITY BECAUSE INITIALLY THEY APPROACHED THE CITY ABOUT LEASING CITY PROPERTY, BUT THEN STAFF INDICATED THAT IT WASN'T AVAILABLE BECAUSE THE CODE PROHIBITED BILLBOARDS.

WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THAT LEASE WAS $100,000 PER YEAR.

BUT YOU CAN GET PUBLIC INFORMATION AS TO WHAT OTHER CITIES CHARGE OR GET FROM LEASE REVENUE FROM LEASING PROPERTY FOR BILLBOARDS.

>> WE ARE LIFTING THE PROHIBITION FOR SPECIFICALLY TWO SITES.

BECAUSE YOU'VE MENTIONED TURNPIKE AND SAWGRASS, OR ARE WE LIFTING THE PROHIBITION AS A BLANKET AND THEN WE ARE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT TO APPROVE IN THE FUTURE WHERE THE BILLBOARDS GO?

>> THE ORDINANCE THAT MS. CALLOWAY AND HER TEAM DRAFTED AND PUT TOGETHER, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, ALLOWS BILLBOARDS ONLY ADJACENT TO THE TURNPIKE AND THE SAWGRASS.

>> ONLY IT EFFECT EXPRESSWAYS?

>> ONLY THOSE TWO. ONLY THOSE TWO EXPRESSWAYS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER EXPRESSES THAT GO THROUGH THE CITY OR NOT ACTUALLY, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE THOSE TO EXPRESSWAYS.

>> WE HAVE A HOSPITAL IN TAMARAC AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE HAVE A HOSPITAL.

>> I KNOW.

>> IT WOULD BE WISE FOR US TO DO THIS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE.

I WOULD RESTRICT POLITICAL ADVERTISING.

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I DON'T THINK THAT I LIKE THAT.

PERHAPS IF THIS PASSES, GO TO MS. CALLOWAY AND LET HER KNOW THAT WE WOULD NOT BE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT HOAS, SOME OF THEM DO NOT ALLOW SIGNS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO ALLOWING THE BILLBOARDS, WOULD BE GREAT FOR REAL-TORS TO ADVERTISE HOMES THAT ARE BEING SOLD IN TAMARAC.

YOU ALSO MENTIONED IN A PHONE CALL MITCH THAT THE CITY COULD ALSO MAYBE.

>> YEAH, I HAD HERE ON THE RECORD THAT PART OF OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO GIVE SPACE AND TIME TO THE CITY FOR THE DIFFERENT THINGS THE CITY THINKS IMPORTANT TO ADVERTISE THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR PACKAGE.

>> I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT AFTER TONIGHT TO APPROVE OR DENY SOMETHING COMING FORWARD.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT HURTS US RIGHT NOW AND IF RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE BILLBOARDS OR WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THAT STUFF.

WE'RE STILL IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT AFTER TONIGHT. MS. CALLOWAY.

>> CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 400 FEET.

IT WOULD BE OPPOSING JUDICIAL HEARING.

>> YEAH. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME IN THE FUTURE AND TALK TO US IF THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG, AND THEY USUALLY DO.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT TONIGHT.

[NOISE]. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR AND THEN COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> FOR THE ATTORNEY, THANKS FOR POINTING OUT THE ITEMS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

DEMONSTRATES THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOAL OF THE CITY.

WE MADE THOSE CHANGES, AND YOU PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE PURSUED OR YOU PROBABLY NOT ADVISE YOUR CLIENT THAT TURMERIC WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION IF IT WASN'T REFLECTED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WELL, WE HAD ADDRESSED VICE MAYOR RATHER.

WE HAD TO ADDRESS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN CHANGES IN TAMARAC BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED HERE.

IT'S NOT JUST A BEDROOM COMMUNITY YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT AND HAVE ATTRACTED A LOT OF BUSINESSES.

>> ABSOLUTELY. YES. YOU GUYS MAKE GOOD POINTS AS COMMISSIONER BOLTON POINTED OUT, THE COMMISSION REMAINS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.

THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE ELECTED US TRUST US TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ON THEIR BEHALF.

THE COMMUNITY IS CHANGING AND THIS IS A NEED AND IT'S A REVENUE SOURCE AND WE WILL STILL CONTROL AND WE TRUST THAT YOUR CLIENT WILL HAVE GOOD LOCAL ADVERTISERS, LIKE HOSPITALS, YOU MENTIONED IN REFERENCE GOOD BUSINESSES BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STORIES THAT CAN BE TOLD ABOUT TAMARAC THAT EVEN TAMARAC RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> THANK YOU. INITIALLY, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS TWO YEARS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT ONE BILLBOARD IN ONE LOCATION.

WHEN I READ ALL THESE AND REALIZED WE WERE THEN TALKING ABOUT 10 IT [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO. SHE HAD SAID SEVEN AND THAT DIDN'T COME FROM US.

>> WELL, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL OF 10.

THAT'S THE POTENTIAL.

NOT THAT YOU ALL MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN 10, BUT THERE IS THAT POTENTIAL.

THAT CAUSED ME A LITTLE BIT OF PARS.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE A BUNCH OF BILLBOARDS.

BUT KNOWING WE CONTROL YES OR NO AND I WOULD ASK MS. CALLOWAY, KNOWING THAT SHE WILL, TUNIS WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB, THAT THE CITY COMMISSION HAS TOTAL CONTROL OVER WHERE THEY GO AND WE CAN SAY YES OR NO.

IF AT SOME POINT IT DOES BECOME A SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE HAVE SOME RECOURSE.

THERE ARE BILLBOARDS ALL OVER THE HIGHWAYS NOW.

I HAVE TO HONESTLY SAY I DON'T USUALLY PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OF INTEREST TO ME.

HOWEVER, I DO REMEMBER SEEING A BILLBOARD FOR A HOSPITAL OR EMERGENCY ROOM AND ARE WAITING TIME NOW IS HOWEVER [NOISE].

TO ME, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA IF WE CAN USE IT TO POST CITY INFORMATION.

THERE'S TRAFFIC BLOCKAGE ON COMMERCIAL BOULEVARD, AVOID THIS AREA.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

>> YEAH, THAT'S A COMMITMENT.

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>> I DO. I THINK THAT'S SO, I KNOW MS. CALLOWAY WILL FIND TUNIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT YOUR APPLICATION IS NOT BEFORE US FOR US TO DETERMINE.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMITMENT, BUT THE COMMITMENT DOESN'T HELP US AT THIS TIME.

WHAT'S BEFORE US IS A TEXT AMENDMENT OF WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL MAKE THE CHANGES AND ALLOW THERE TO BE THIS YEAR.

THE IDEA OF BRINGING IT IN AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN GETTING HIT WITH WE CAN TAKE THAT SIGN DOWN AS FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTS US.

YOU CAN'T REMOVE OUR ABILITY FOR FREE SPEECH IS REALLY DOWN THE LINE IF WE, AGAIN, THAT SLIPPERY SLOPE.

I DO THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS A BIG DEAL, THAT WE HAVE OTHER SIGNS.

YOU ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE YOU WERE TRYING TO BRING IT IN, BUT POTENTIALLY, MAY NOT BE THE ONE FOR ALL THE SIGNS, ONE OF THE SIGNS.

THE COMPETITION IS OUT THERE AND THAT IT WILL BE FLOODING THE CITY IF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT GOES THROUGH.

THEN WHILE THERE IS A PROPOSAL FOR A 100,000, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THERE'S 100,000 BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A CONTRACT AT THIS TIME.

A LOT OF THE CARETS THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR THE PROMISE FOR US TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS TEXT AMENDMENT, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS EVENING.

IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR POTENTIAL OF EIGHT BILLBOARDS TO COME BEFORE US FOR REVIEW AND DETERMINATION.

THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DO NOT SEE ANY MORE LIGHTS LIT.

WE ARE COMING CLOSE TO THE HOUR, PLEASE, CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>>YES.

>>COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS?

>> WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS AT THE HEARING.

AT THIS TIME, IT IS 11:00. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

IT HAS POSSIBLE GO THROUGH TO THE SECOND READINGS. THANK YOU.

FORGIVE ME FOR BEING ABRUPT.

WE'RE CLOSE ON TIME.

IT IS 11:23, WE HAVE A CUTOFF AUTOMATICALLY AT 11:30 WITHOUT A MOTION TO EXTEND.

I'LL DO IT IN MOTION AND A SECOND TO EXTEND THIS TO GET THROUGH AT LEAST ITEMS A AND B [NOISE] MINIMAL.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO FINISH ALL OF THE ITEMS, UNDERSTANDING THAT MY TWO ITEMS, ITEM A AND ITEM B I WILL NOT BE SPEAKING IN LENGTH, JUST ASKING FOR CONSENSUS.

>> I'M HAPPY TO EXTEND THIS UNTIL WE'RE DONE WITH THIS BUT WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO AT LEAST HAVE PART OF IT SO THERE WAS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY.

>> I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER BOLTZMANN'S MOTION.

>> WE'RE HERE UNTIL THE DURATION IS THE MOTION ON THE TABLE.

>> YOU DID NOT GET A SECOND TO YOUR MOTION [OVERLAPPING].

>> CORRECT. HEAR ME, PLEASE.

WE HAVE ON THE TABLE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO COMPLETE THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

CITY ATTORNEY OR IS IT FOR THE CITY CLERK, CORRECT? WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE.

THEREFORE, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS?

>> YES. [NOISE].

>> THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW BE MOVING TO 6D202505.

>> MOTION PASS 4-1.

[6.d TO2505 - An Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute an agreement pursuant to Section 7.19 of the City of Tamarac Charter; Awarding an agreement with Westway Towing, Inc., providing for the towing services for the City of Tamarac for a five year period beginning August 1, 2022through July 31, 2027 including an option to renew for one additional five (5) year period and providing for month to month extensions as required; Authoring the collection of an administrative fee of 25% of the maximum towing rates to cover the city's cost pursuant to the requirements of F.S. 323.002 (4); In accordance with the maximum towing rates as established under the Broward County administrative code part IX, chapter 40.50; Providing for conflicts; Providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, MA'AM. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THIS IS NORTON CITY COMMISSIONERS SAVE TAMARAC, FLORIDA.

AUTHORIZING THE APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT PURSUANT TO SECTION 7.19 AND THE CITY OF TAMARAC CHARTER WORDING AN AGREEMENT WITH WEST WAY TOWING, PROVIDING FOR THE TOWING SERVICES, RECEIVE TAMARAC FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD BEGINNING OF AUGUST 1ST 2022 THROUGH JULY 31ST TO 2027, INCLUDING AN OPTION TO RENEW FOR ONE ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD AND PROVIDING FOR A MONTH TO MONTH EXTENSIONS AS REQUIRED.

AUTHORIZING THE COLLECTION OF ADMINISTRATIVE FEE OF 25 PERCENT OF THE MAXIMUM TONGUE RATES TO COVER SEES COST PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS, SUPPLIER STATUTES THROUGH 23.0024, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MAXIMUM TOWING RIGHTS AS ESTABLISHED UNDER THE BROWARD COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, PART 9 CHAPTER 40.50, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I WILL TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOLTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

SEE FINANCIAL SERVICES DIRECTOR MS. [INAUDIBLE] AND PURCHASING CONTRACTS MANAGER,

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KEITH GLASS ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> GOOD EVENING. KEITH GLASS, PURCHASING CONTRACT MANAGER.

I ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE BRETT HOLCOMB, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF WEST WAY TOWING AND DARON WELLS, WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT WHO ARE ALSO IN ATTENDANCE, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE LIGHTS LIT BY COMMISSIONER PLACKO AND COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

I DO NOT HAVE A LIGHT LIT BY COMMISSIONER PLACKO. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

>> CITY MANAGER OR MS. MAXINE, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD A DIFFERENT VENDOR FOR THIS SERVICE?

>> WE'VE HAD MAXIME ROMAIN, WE'VE HAD THE SAME VENDORS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY THE FLORIDA STATUTES ARE STRUCTURED.

>> CAN YOU SHARE THE FLORIDA STATUTES?

>> FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIRE THAT IF YOU HAVE A TOWING FACILITY AND YOU WERE TOWING, YOUR TOWING AREA MUST BE WITHIN 10 MILES OR YOUR TOWING FACILITY MUST BE WITHIN 10 MILE RADIUS RANGE OF THE LOCATIONS IN THE CITY.

A LOT OF FIRMS COULD NOT BE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF PROXIMITY.

>> THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. THAT'S ALL.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. BACK TO THE FISCAL IMPACT, KEITH, IN THE MEMO THAT YOU WROTE TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, IT SAYS HERE THAT WE WERE COLLECTING A FRANCHISE FEE OF 25 PERCENT WHICH RESULTED IN US RECEIVING ANNUAL REVENUES OF ABOUT $65,000 A YEAR.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> WE WERE COLLECTING FRANCHISE FEE OF APPROXIMATELY 65,000 VICE MAYOR.

>> THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE PASSED A NEW LAW ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

>> YEAH, THAT'S AN AMENDMENT.

>> WE SAID THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT, AND SO NOW WE WOULD BE RECEIVING 25 PERCENT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR THE COST OF STORED VEHICLES.

IF A VEHICLE IS ONLY STORED ONE DAY, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN GET A CHARGE FOR THAT, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COLLECT THAT.

IT'S GOING TO GREATLY REDUCE OUR REVENUES.

I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER ON IT, BUT I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT GOES BELOW $10,000.

>> RIGHT. SO SHEEN, WILL FISCAL IMPACT BE A REDUCTION OF REVENUE TO THE CITY OF APPROXIMATELY $50,000?

>> I THINK I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

WELL, I JUST TAKE IT SINCE THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY, WE ARE NOT EXPANDING ANY COST.

I WAS REFLECTING THAT PARTICULAR NUMBER.

[OVERLAPPING] YOU ARE CORRECT.

>> AS I'VE STATED, IT LOOKS LIKE FISCAL IMPACT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND THERE'S JUST NO CONSISTENCY.

THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.

[OVERLAPPING] ALL RIGHT.

WEST WAY TOWING DOES A GOOD JOB AND THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION AND COMMENT. THANK YOU.

>> SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, GELIN?

>> MOTION PASS FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

>> CAN WE TAKE A BREAK BEFORE [INAUDIBLE]

>> YES. THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE TIME.

IT IS CURRENTLY 11:30, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

WE'LL BE BACK AT 11:45.

UNLESS YOU COULD DO IT A QUICKER TIME, SO FINE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL BE BACK AT 11:40.

TAKING A 10 MINUTE BREAK. WE ARE READY.

IT IS 11:40, WE'RE BACK ON THE DIAS AND WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GO

[8.c TO2501 - An Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida, authorizing the dissolution of the Tamarac Village Community Development district pursuant to the petition filed by the district, attached hereto as Exhibit â€oeAâ€; in accordance with Florida Statutes 190.046(10); providing for severability; providing for conflicts; further, providing an effective date.]

TO 8C TO2501 OUT OF ORDER TO ALLOW THE TRUSTEE WHO IS HERE, GINGER WALL, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CDD, TO BE ABLE TO GO HOME BEFORE THE CLOCK STRIKES MIDNIGHT WE HOPE.

SO CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THIS ITEM FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS, COMMISSIONERS, NORTON CITY COMMISSIONERS, CITY OF TAMARAC FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING THE DISSOLUTION OF THE TAMARAC VILLAGE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PURSUANT TO THE PETITION FILED BY THE DISTRICT.

ATTACHED HERE TOO IS EXHIBIT A, IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTES 190.04610, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY,

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PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS FURTHER PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON WITH THE MOTION, COMMISSION VILLALOBOS WITH A SECOND.

THIS IS THIS ITEM IN SECOND READING, SO WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SEEING THAT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

MS. WALL, DO KNOW YOU'RE HERE AND AVAILABLE AND MS. MAXINE CALLOWAY AS WELL; IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY THIS COMMISSION? THERE'S NOBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> VICE MAYOR GELIN?

>> MOTION PASS, FIVE TO ZERO. THANK YOU.

>> NOW, MS. WALL WONDERS WHY WE DIDN'T DO THAT EARLIER, SO SORRY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH SO.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU CITY ATTORNEY, THANK YOU CITY MANAGER AND THANK YOU CITY CLERK, AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY AND GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK.

>> HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

>> WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORTS AND THAT OF THE BOARD FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DID FOR US. THANK YOU.

SO NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE A CHANCE AND MAYBE WE CAN HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM THAT'LL GO VERY QUICKLY.

[8.b TO2498 - An Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Tamarac, Florida extending the Woodlands Overlay District termination date, to July 12, 2025 by amending Chapter 10 of the City of Tamarac Code of Ordinances, entitled “Land Development Code” by amending Article 2, entitled “Zoning Districts” by specifically amending Section 10-2.7(C), entitled “Woodlands Overlay District”, to sunset and terminate the Woodlands Overlay District seven (7) years after the effective date of the City of Tamarac’s Land Development Code, providing for codification; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

I'M GOING GO TO 8B TO2498.

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THAT ONE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES MADAM MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, COMMISSIONER CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, EXTENDING THE WOODLANDS OVERLAY DISTRICT TERMINATION DATE TO JULY 12TH, 2025, BY AMENDING CHAPTER TENDENCY OF TAMARAC CODE OF ORDINANCES ENTITLED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BY AMENDING ARTICLE 2 ENTITLED ZONING DISTRICTS BY SPECIFICALLY AMENDING SECTION 10-2.7 C, ENTITLED WOODLANDS OVERLAY DISTRICT TO SUNSET AND TERMINATE THE WOODLANDS OVERLAY DISTRICT 70 YEARS AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CITY TAMARAC LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> I'LL TAKE A SECOND, PLEASE.

>> VICE MAYOR HAS SECOND IT.

I KNOW THAT MS. CALLOWAY IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY COMMENTS.

IS THERE A QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE?

>> YEAH.

>> VICE MAYOR.

>> I WANT TO RECOMMEND SOME CHANGES IN THE LANGUAGE, PARTICULARLY UNDER SIGNS PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF MS. CALLOWAY, IF YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU, OR MAYBE IF WE CAN TABLE THIS FOR A WORKSHOP?

>> THE ITEM BEFORE US IS AN EXTENSION OF THE OVERLAYS.

THAT IS THE ONLY ITEM THAT IS BEFORE US TODAY IS THE EXTENSION OF THE OVERLAYS.

>> THAT'S CORRECT MAYOR.

>> SO WE CAN MAKE SOME RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE CHANGES?

>> THAT WOULD REQUIRE STAFF TO GO BACK AND BRING THE ITEM BACK.

THE ONLY THING IS ON SECOND READING AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THE EXTENSION OF THE DAY TO NOT SUNSET IN 2022 AND INSTEAD TO SUNSET IN 2025.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH.

IS IT ALLOWABLE FOR SIGNS TO BE HUNG FROM TREES BASED ON OUR CODE?

>> THAT'S A WOODLAND OVERLAY DISTRICT, SO IT FITS A DESIRE FOR COMMISSION TO DISCUSS THOSE REQUIREMENTS AT A DIFFERENT TIME, STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SO.

>> OKAY. I'LL BRING THAT BACK UP.

>> SEEING NOBODY FURTHER, CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS?

>> MOTION PASS, FOUR TO ONE. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING BACK TO 828ATO2497,

[8.a TO2497 - An Ordinance of the City Commission of the city of Tamarac, Florida, calling an election on proposed amendments to the city charter to be held on Tuesday, November 8,2022; providing for submission to the electors for approval or disapproval of proposed amendments to the city charter, such charter amendments relating to section 2.01 of the charter concerning the manner in which the city maintains an official city map and deleting section 13.01 of the charter concerning the boundaries of the city as redundant, section 4.01of the charter concerning the form of city government; section 5.02 of the charter concerning the manner of removal of the City Manager, sections 5.04 and 10.01 concerning the powers of the City Manager; section 6.06 concerning candidate residency requirements; sections 7.09,7.11 and 7.14 of the charter to specify that the manner of selecting an auditor and procuring goods and services comply with applicable state law and all agreements and contracts the city enters into are subject to an annual appropriation of funds, section, section 11.01 of the charter concerning the manner of removal of the City Attorney; deleting obsolete provisions of the charter, making the charter gender neutral; standardizing terminology, definitions and references to state law; providing for requisite ballot language; providing for procedure for balloting; providing for notice; providing for related matters; providing for conflicts; providing for severability; providing for inclusion in the charter; and an effective date.]

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THIS BEAUTIFULLY LONG TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YEAH.

MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSIONER, CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, CALLING AN ELECTION ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CITY CHARTER TO BE HELD ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH 2022, PROVIDING FOR SUBMISSION TO THE ELECTRODES FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER, SUCH CHARTER AMENDMENTS RELATING TO SECTION 2.01 OF THE CHARTER CONCERNING THE MANNER IN WHICH THE CITY MAINTAINS AN OFFICIAL CITY, A MAP, AND DELETING SECTION 13.01 OF THE CHARTER CONCERNING THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY IS REDUNDANT.

SECTION 4.01 OF THE CHARTER CONCERNING THE FORM OF CITY GOVERNMENT.

ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT BEING PUT BEFORE THE ELECTORATE

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BECAUSE THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION WAS NOT TO INCLUDE THAT, ALTHOUGH THAT'S IN THE TITLE.

SECTION 5.02, THE CHARTER CONCERNING THE MANNER OF REMOVAL THE CITY MANAGER.

SECTION 5.04 AND 10.1, CONCERNING THE POWERS OF THE CITY MANAGER.

SECTION 6.06 CONCERNING CANDIDATE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS.

SECTION 7.09, 7.11, AND 7.14, THE CHARTER TO SPECIFY THAT THE MANNER OF SELECTING ARE IN ORDER AND PROCURING GOODS AND SERVICES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE STATE LAW AND ALL AGREEMENTS AND CONTRACTS, CITY ENTERS INTO OUR SUBSTITUENT AND OUR ANNUAL APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS.

SECTION 11.01 OF THE CHARTER, CONCERNING THE MANNER OF REMOVAL OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, DELETING OBSOLETE PROVISIONS CHARTER MAKING THE CHARTER GENDER NEUTRAL STANDARDIZING TERMINOLOGY, DEFINITIONS AND REFERENCE TO STATE LAW, PROVIDING FOR REQUISITE ABOUT LANGUAGE, PROVIDING FOR PROCEDURE FOR BALLOTING, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE, PROVIDING FOR RELATED MATTERS, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CHARTER AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[OVERLAPPING] MADAM MAYOR, THE ORDINANCE ON SECOND READING THAT'S BEFORE YOU REFLECTS THE DIRECTION GIVEN TO STAFF ON FIRST READING IS TO THE CHANGES THAT HAD BEEN MADE BEFORE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED.

SEVERAL OF US WENT THROUGH OUR RESPECTIVE NOTES AND THE MINUTES AS WELL AS THE ACTUAL TAPE OF THE MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION FIRST READING.

WE BELIEVE THAT AS SET FORTH, THE DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU DOES REFLECT WHAT WAS THE DIRECTION GIVEN BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO STAFF AS FAR AS WHAT IS TO BE PUT BEFORE THE ELECTORATE FOR PROPOSED MENTIONED IN THIS CHARTER.

WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR IF IT WAS SO DESIRED TO GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

>> THANK YOU. NOW, OPENING UP PUBLIC COMMENTS AS THIS THE SECOND HEARING ON THIS MATTER.

SEEING THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOBODY HERE TO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY INTRODUCED THE ITEM, AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE A COMMENT? SO I ASKED STAFF TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO FIND OUT HOW MANY CITIES ASK FOR A SUPER-MAJORITY VOTE IN BROWARD, PALM BEACH, AND MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, AND I GUESS WE GOT A PARTIAL REPORT BACK, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY MANAGER CAN EXPLAIN WHY FOR EXAMPLE, BROWARD HAS 31 CITIES AND ONLY 23 WERE ACCOUNTED FOR.

IN ANY CASE, 18 CITIES IN BROWARD REQUIRE A REGULAR MAJORITY, THREE REQUIRE A SUPER-MAJORITY AND TWO HELP OTHERS, AND THOSE OTHERS WOULD BE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

BUT BEFORE I ASK THE CITY MANAGER THIS QUESTION, CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU PLEASE DEFINE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT?

>> YES. A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS WHERE THROUGH THE ELECTION OF THAT MAYOR POSITION HAS VESTED WITHIN THE POWERS OF THE CHARTER FOR HIM OR HER, IN THIS CASE MAY BE TO EXERCISE THE ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES GENERALLY OF THE CITY ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

SO IN SOME INSTANCES, ASSISTED BY A PROFESSIONAL.

THAT'S THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT CITY PLANTATION HAS, MIAMI-DADE COUNTY HAS.

>> SO IS A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT A DICTATORSHIP?

>> NO, SIR. THERE AREN'T MANY, BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED OR THOUGHT, AND LEAST IN MY MIND, TO BE A DICTATORSHIP.

>> SO EVEN IF THE ENTIRE COMMISSION VOTED 5-0 FOR A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, IT'S NOT UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE, IT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE AND THE RESIDENCES TO DECIDE, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> DID YOU EXPLAIN TO EACH MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION THAT A STRONG MAYOR FROM GOVERNMENT IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP?

>> DID I EXPLAIN TO EACH MEMBER?

>> EACH MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION? YES.

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>> WELL, I THINK THAT I'VE EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT IN THE PAST WHEN ASKED THAT QUESTION.

I'VE NEVER CONSIDERED IT TO BE A DICTATORSHIP, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME THAT.

[OVERLAPPING]. I WILL JUST LET YOU KNOW.

>> THERE WAS AN ILLEGAL ADVERTISEMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION, WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATE DISCLAIMER SAYS, I'M NOT OKAY WITH A DICTATOR MINDSET OF GOVERNMENT WHERE IT CANNOT BELIEVE CITY OF TAMARAC SHOULD BE GOVERNED WITH A STRONG MAYOR SHIP TYPE OF GOVERNMENT.

FREEDOM TO THE PEOPLE OF CITY OF TAMARAC.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IS A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, A DICTATORSHIP?

>> AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, NO, SIR.

>> SO CITY MANAGER, WHY WHY DON'T WE HAVE ALL 31 CITIES ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS SURVEY, AT LEAST IN BROWARD COUNTY?

>> CITY MANAGER, GO AHEAD.

>> AT YOUR REQUEST.

WE SENT OUT REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION TO THE BROWARD COUNTY CITY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, PALM BEACH COUNTY CITY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION IN MIAMI-DADE, AND THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT BACK.

IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT IT REPRESENTS THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIES AND GAVE A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE, AND THE STAFF TIME THAT WAS REQUIRED TO RUN DOWN EVERYTHING THAT WAS LEFT, THIS WAS THE FINAL WORK PRODUCT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU ALL.

>> BUT CAN THE STAFF GO TO THE MUNICODE FOR THE CITIES THAT DID NOT PARTICIPATE AND GET THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ONLINE?

>> STAFF HAS A LOT OF PRIORITIES.

THIS WAS A REQUEST THAT WAS MADE AFTER A VOTE WAS TAKEN, AND SO THIS WAS THE WORK PRODUCT THAT WAS PRODUCED AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT REPRESENTS A LARGE MAJORITY OF EACH OF THE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE COUNTIES THAT WAS PROVIDED.

IT WASN'T A REQUEST THAT THE ENTIRE COMMISSION AS A BODY TO DO THIS WORK.

SO WE DID THE REPORT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.

>> SO JUST TO GO OVER.

DID EVERY ONE ON THE COMMISSION GET A COPY OF THIS SURVEY?

>> THEY DID.

>> JUST TO STATE IT PUBLICLY, FOR THE HIRING OF A CITY MANAGER IT IS A REGULAR MAJORITY OF 17 CITIES FOR SUPER-MAJORITY, FOR FOUR CITIES, AND THEN TO CITIES HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

FOR THE REMOVAL OF A CITY MANAGER, IT'S 18 MAJORITY, THREE SUPERMAJORITY, AND TO HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, 17 MAJORITY, 3 SUPERMAJORITY, AND TWO STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AND THEN TO REMOVE A CITY ATTORNEY 18 MAJORITY ONLY 2 SUPERMAJORITY, AND THEN TWO HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM A GOVERNMENT.

PALM BEACH COUNTY 22 MAJORITY ONLY FOUR SUPERMAJORITY, FOR THE HIRING OF A CITY MANAGER OR REMOVAL 22 AND 5 SUPERMAJORITY.

THEN IN PALM BEACH COUNTY FOR THE ATTORNEY 23 MAJORITY, 3 SUPERMAJORITY, THAT'S THE HIGHER CITY ATTORNEY.

TO REMOVE A CITY ATTORNEY, 21 MAJORITY, FOUR SUPERMAJORITY, AND THEN ONLY ONE CITY HAS A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, 19 CITIES REQUIRE A MAJORITY, ZERO REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY FOR THE HIRING AND REMOVAL OF A CITY MANAGER.

THEN FOR THE HIRING AND THE REMOVAL OF A CITY ATTORNEY, AGAIN, 19 MAJORITY, ZERO SUPER-MAJORITY, AND ONE HAS A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP.

>> IS THAT CORRECT CITY ATTORNEY?

>> BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROCURED, THAT THOSE ARE THE FIGURES THAT STAFF HAS.

>> BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL, IS THERE A DICTATORSHIP IN ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, IN THE UNITED STATES?

>> NO, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO ENCOURAGE THIS COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE SO THAT WE REQUIRE A REGULAR MAJORITY AND NOT A SUPERMAJORITY FOR THE REMOVAL OR HIRING OF A CITY ATTORNEY AND/OR CITY MANAGER.

IT'S IN LINE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIES, AND GIVEN THE CORRUPT HISTORY OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND WHAT HAPPENED WITH OUR LAST CITY ATTORNEY, WE SHOULD NOT BE MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO REMOVE A CITY ATTORNEY OR CITY MANAGER.

WE SHOULD KEEP IT AS IS.

IT DOES NOT LEAD TO MORE POLITICS, IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN TAMARAC,

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WERE IN MY VIEW, WE HAD A CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER THAT COLLUDED TO [OVERLAPPING] HAVE SOME CORRUPTION IN TAMARAC.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR YOUR TIME IS UP. [OVERLAPPING] COMMISSIONER LOBOS

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> COMMISSIONER LOBOS.

>> BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE ON THIS COMMISSION FOR THE FIRST YEAR, ACTUALLY THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS, A SUPER MAJORITY WOULD DEFINITELY BENEFIT THE CITY, FOR BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY.

IT'S EASILY TO PERSUADE TWO OTHER MEMBERS TO VOTE WITH YOU, WHETHER WHILE BRAKING SUNSHINE LAW OR IN THE COMMISSION MEETING IN THE DAY IS WHILE DISCUSSING IT.

EITHER WAY, I STRONGLY BELIEVE WITHOUT CONVICTION THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.

I BELIEVE THE WAY TO GO IS A SUPER MAJORITY WITH BOTH CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER.

I BELIEVE ANYONE THAT WANTS FULL CONTROL OF A CITY, FULL CONTROL OF A COUNTRY, FULL CONTROL OF ANYTHING.

HRA BOARD AT THE MINIMUM COUNTY LEVEL, ANYONE THAT WANTS FULL CONTROL OF ANY BODY IS, IN MY OPINION, A DICTATOR.

THEY DO NOT WANT ANYONE ELSE'S OPINION, ANYONE ELSE'S OPINION DOES NOT MATTER TO THEM, NOR DO THEY CARE TO EVEN HEAR OTHERS ON HOW THEY FEEL OR THINK.

DICTATORS COME IN DIFFERENT SIZES AND ATTORNEYS WILL ARGUE THAT THIS IS JUST AN OPINION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE OPINION THAT IT WILL BE EASY FOR A COMMISSIONER OR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OR A MAYOR TO SWAY ANOTHER COLLEAGUE TO VOTE THEIR WAY.

THAT HAPPENS IN COURT ALL DAY LONG WITH DEFENDANTS AND PLAINTIFFS AND IT HAPPENS IN THE STATE LEGISLATOR.

THAT'S THE WAY HOW THIS COUNTRY IS RUN AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AT ALL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT IN COURT AND OTHERWISE.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM FIRST AND FOREMOST.

IF A MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION IS FAVORED BY THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY, MORE THAN THE OTHERS.

IT IS EASY THEN FOR THE MANAGER TO ONLY CATER TO TWO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE THAT MANAGER KNOWS THAT IT TAKES FOUR TO TANGO AND NOT THREE.

IF IT TAKES FOUR PEOPLE TO FIRE, THE CITY MANAGER THEN COULD PLAY POLITICS BY ONLY CATERING TO THE NEEDS OF TWO PEOPLE.

BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF GOVERNMENT WE HAVE, WHERE WE HAVE FOUR COMMISSIONERS, THE MAYOR BEING AT-LARGE, THE CITY MANAGER COULD THEORETICALLY ONLY CATER TO ONE COMMISSIONER IN ONE DISTRICT.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE RESIDENTS IF THAT MANAGER IS CORRUPT, WHAT THEN HAPPENS TO THE RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT 1, 2, 3 OR 4? IF THE MANAGER WOULD ONLY CATER TO ME IN DISTRICT 1, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT 2, 3 OR 4? IF THE MANAGER ONLY CATERS TO DISTRICT 3, WHAT HAPPENS THE DISTRICT 1, 2 AND 4.

MY RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD ME SINCE 2016 THAT THE EAST SIDE OF TAMARAC IS FORGOTTEN, THINK ABOUT THAT.

THE EAST SIDE OF TAMARAC IS FORGOTTEN, WE ARE THE STEP CHILDREN OF TAMARAC, THIS IS THEIR OPINION? IF WE HAVE A FOUR VOLT TYPE OF SYSTEM, THEN IF THE MANAGER AT THE TIME DOES NOT WANT TO CATER TO DISTRICT 1, THEY COULD SAY, I LIVE TO CATER TO DISTRICT 1.

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IT TAKES FOR PEOPLE TO GET RID OF ME, AND THAT BREEDS COMPLACENCY.

IF WE ADD A FOUR VOTES SYSTEM, GUESS WHAT, A MANAGER THAT IS CORRUPT THEORETICALLY, PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE, IT'LL BE HARD TO REMOVE THAT PERSON.

I HOPE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF TAMARAC THINK ABOUT THIS AND THINK ABOUT IT HARD, BECAUSE THE FINAL DECISION, IF THIS PASSES HERE TONIGHT, WE'LL GO DOWN TO THEM.

IT IS NOT ABOUT THE PERSONALITIES OR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REPRESENTED ON THIS COMMISSION.

IT IS NOT ABOUT ME, IT IS NOT ABOUT COMMISSIONER GELIN OR COMMISSIONER PLACKO, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF US.

IT HAS TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTS OF TAMARAC AND THEN PUTTING THE POWER ENTRUSTED IN US TO MAKE SIMPLE DECISIONS FOR THEM.

I CAUTION THIS COMMISSION, DO NOT MAKE THAT TERRIBLE MISTAKE OF PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT.

IF IT GOES, I HOPE THAT EVERY RESIDENT THAT IS LISTENING TO THIS, WHETHER TONIGHT OR IN THE FUTURE WHO VOTE NO, BECAUSE OF THE REASONS THAT I'VE GIVEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> I GUESS IT'LL BE MY TURN.

ANYTHING THAT GOES FOR ANY PART OF THE CITY THAT IS NOT WHETHER A CITY MANAGER OR A CITY ATTORNEY, PUTS IT BEFORE US.

IT IS PUT BEFORE US AS A BUDGET ITEM AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED THROUGH STRATEGIC PLANNING.

THE CITY MANAGER DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE CONTROL AND POWER THAT IS BEING ALLEGED IN THE COMMENTARY.

THE CHARTER BOARD BROUGHT THESE THINGS TO US, THE CHARTER BOARD MET AND DISCUSS THIS.

IT CAME BEFORE US, THERE WAS MAJORITY VOTE TO BRING IT BEFORE US TODAY.

THEREFORE, MY OPINION, IT GOES BACK TO THE PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS DECISION WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD BE A SUPER MAJORITY FOR THE ELECTION FROM REMOVAL OF OFFICE.

VERY NICE THAT ONE PERSON ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO DO ALL THIS WORK AND IT WAS DONE.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY WANT AT A CITY STAFF WHEN THEY ASKED FOR IT BECAUSE OUR CITY STAFF IS VERY GRACIOUS AND DOES A LOT OF HARD WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A CONSENSUS REQUESTS FROM ALL OF US FOR THAT INFORMATION.

THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE IN THE EXHIBIT A PAGE 9 DEFINITIONS, THE FIRST BULLET POINT WHICH IS NOT BILLETED, BUT THE FIRST ONE SAYS CITY IS DEFINED IN ITEM NUMBER 1.

THEN IN ITEM NUMBER 3, THE WORD CITY IS USED THERE AS WELL.

THESE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE GONE OVER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY PRIOR TO TODAY, BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT PUBLIC SO I AM BRINGING IT TO THE PUBLIC.

THE WORD CITY NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THAT ITEM BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION, THEREFORE, THAT IS A TYPO.

>> MADAM MAYOR, IF MOVING FORWARD, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT WITH YOUR ASSISTANCE AND WHAT CITY STAFF WE'VE IDENTIFIED THREE OR FOUR SECTIONS THAT NEED SOME CLEANUP LANGUAGE AND THAT IS ONE OF THEM WHERE THE DEFINITION OF COMMISSION OR CITY COMMISSION.

WE WOULD DELETE THE WORD CITY AND IT WOULD JUST WHENEVER THE WORDS COMMISSION OR CITY COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY REFERS TO THIS BODY ON PAGE 9, THE THIRD DEFINITION IN.

THERE'S ALSO, IF I MAY, A QUESTION THAT WE AS STAFF HAVE TO YOU-ALL THAT ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WAS DIRECTED FOR US TO MAKE WAS TO MAKE THE CHARTER GENDER-NEUTRAL.

THE CHARTER BOARD HAD USED WHERE APPROPRIATE TO WORK THERE AS OPPOSED TO HE/SHE AND THAT'S JUST A STYLISTIC ISSUE.

WE DON T KNOW IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, AND SO THAT'S UP FOR CONSIDERATION.

THEN TO THE ISSUE ABOUT THE REMOVAL, ONE THING THAT WE CAN DO, AND FRANKLY, I WOULD ACTUALLY SUGGEST THIS IS RIGHT NOW, IT DOES SAY FOUR-FIFTHS SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.

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I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DELETE THE FOUR-FIFTHS AND JUST SAY SUPER MAJORITY OF VOTE OF THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE THERE IS POTENTIALLY A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THERE'S LESS THAN FIVE COMMISSIONERS UP HERE, AND SO IT'S A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, ESSENTIALLY, AND THAT CHANGE WOULD WOULD MAKE THAT CLEAR, THAT WOULD ALSO BE ON PAGE 14 AS WELL AS.

>> TWENTY SIX.

>> TWENTY SIX, AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE MORE, I THINK THAT'S IT, IT'S THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION.

>> THANK YOU. BASICALLY WHAT IS BEFORE US AT THIS TIME FOR SECOND READING WITH THE AMENDMENTS AND THE CLARIFICATIONS AND THE CLEANUP THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

THIS IS OUR SECOND READING.

I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED?

>> YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

I WOULD NOT DISAGREE WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUES BY THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE, THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S ABOUT THE RESIDENTS.

IF THAT IS TRULY SO, THEN WE SHOULD DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS AND LET THE RESIDENTS VOTE ON THIS.

IF TRULY IN FACT IS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS, LET THEM VOTE ON THIS ITEM WHEN IT COMES TO THE BALLOT.

I WOULD CONCUR WITH MAYOR GOMEZ WHEN SHE SAID THAT THE CHARTER BOARD WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THIS FORWARD.

THAT MEANS THAT RESIDENTS ARE SEEKING SOME UNITY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ITEM AND THAT SPEAKS A LOT BECAUSE WE DO LISTEN TO OUR BOARDS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN MADE A VERY GOOD POINT.

HE TALKED ABOUT THE CITY, PERHAPS SHOULD THINK ABOUT HAVING A STRONG MAYOR.

THAT WOULD SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR A CITY MANAGER.

THE MAYOR WOULD THEORETICALLY ACT AS THE CITY MANAGER AND WOULD HAVE AN ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR.

THEN TO COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS' POINT, IF IT IS REALLY ABOUT THE RESIDENTS, PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET THEM DECIDE.

WE CANNOT JUST CHERRY PICK WHAT WE WANT TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS TO VOTE ON.

IF SOMEBODY COMES WITH AN OPINION, AND WE WANT TO TRULY WEIGH THE RESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ITEM.

DO NOT TRY TO SWAY THEIR OPINION WITH YOUR OPINION.

GIVE THEM A FIGHTING CHANCE AT THE BALLOT BOX AND LET THEM DECIDE.

AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME PERHAPS, VICE MAYOR GELIN SHOULD BRING THE ITEM FORWARD ABOUT STRONG MAYOR.

SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF LET THE RESIDENTS DECIDE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> MAY I HAVE ONE COMMENT, MAYOR?

>> VICE MAYOR WAS FIRST AND YOU'LL GO NEXT.

>> I'M READY TO VOTE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO MY COLLEAGUE, COMMISSIONER BOLTON, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EASY SELL TO THE RESIDENTS TO TELL THEM TO VOTE NO.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SHOW A PICTURE OF THE FORMER CITY MANAGER AND THOSE WHO VOTE YESTERDAY AND LET THEM KNOW WHO STANDS FOR CORRUPTION AND WHO DOESN'T SO WE CAN LET THIS GO. THANKS.

>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS.

>> POINT OF ORDER MADAM MAYOR, DID COMMISSIONER [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO, JUST A SECOND.

>> BECAUSE THE CITY CLERK IS GIVING HIM ANOTHER TWO MINUTES.

>> THIS IS HIS SECOND; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> HE WENT BEFORE.

>> NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE AS HE WAS TALKING TO ME. [OVERLAPPING]

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS TALKING TO ME.

>> VILLALOBOS WE DON'T NEED ANY COMMENTARY.

EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THE POLITICAL BALONEY THAT'S GOING ON.

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I WILL GO FOR MY TWO MINUTES.

THIS IS ON SECOND READING.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOBODY IN THIS OFFICE BANGING DOWN THE DOOR TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING OUT, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE FOURTH MEETING OR FIFTH MEETING THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THESE ITEMS. PLEASE PUT THE POLITICS ASIDE.

LET'S JUST GET THIS DONE.

WE NEED TO CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION THAT INITIALLY WAS ON THE TABLE IS TO APPROVE AS IS OR WE DO AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION?

>> IT'S THE APPROVED AS IS WITH THE [OVERLAPPING] CORRECTIONS TO THE WRITING IN THE DRAFT, THERE ARE SOME SCRIBNER ERROR ISSUES IN THE DRAFT.

>> ON PAGE 9 THE CORRECTION TO THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD OF COMMISSION, SIMPLIFYING THE LANGUAGE IN REACH REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO JUST SPECIFY SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION, AND WHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD NECESSARILY A DIRECTION IS WHAT TO DO WITH THE HE/SHE VERSUS THERE, IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, THAT MEANS THAT QUESTION NUMBER 2 WOULD ALSO BE MODIFIED TO REMOVE THAT FORFEIT?

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ON PAGE NUMBER 4.

>> CITY ATTORNEY?

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> I BELIEVE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY HAD WERE TO MODIFY THE DOCUMENT ACCORDINGLY?

>> IN THE DEFINITION SECTION.

>>THEY ARE THE SAME.

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> WE OBVIOUSLY, MODIFY [OVERLAPPING] THE ORDINANCE QUESTION AS WELL ON SECTION 5, 3 AND SECTION 5, 6.

>> TAKEN ACCORDINGLY.

>> SO WE'RE VOTING?

>> SURE.

>> MOTION PASSED THREE TO TWO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, AND EVERYBODY WHO'S WORKED SO HARD ON THIS CHARTER AND ALL THE REVISIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

AS A REMINDER, CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REMIND US GOING FORWARD, ANY ITEM THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT REGARDING THE CHARTER IS AN EDUCATIONAL ITEM, NOT AN ADVOCACY ITEM.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THERE WERE STATE LEGISLATION THAT STATE RECEIVE FUNDING AND THEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, CANNOT BE USED FOR ADVOCACY.

THOSE ARE THE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN USE CITY RESOURCES FOR.

>> DOES THAT INCLUDE US AS A RESOURCE?

>> IF YOU'RE USING AND PARTICIPATING IN CITY FUNCTIONS AS PART OF THAT, YES MA'AM.

>> IF WE'RE USING OUR TITLE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE AND FORM, DOES THAT INCLUDE US?

>> THAT'S QUALIFIED, YES.

>> BASICALLY, ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR TITLED FORM, IN WRITING, VERBAL, IS A QUALIFIED YES.

WE ARE ONLY ABLE TO EDUCATE, NOT ADVOCATE.

>> IF YOU'RE USING CITY RESOURCES.

BY THAT I MEAN, A CITY LETTERHEAD OR A CITY SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES AND NOT FOR ADVOCACY.

>> OUR TITLES IN GENERAL, ATTACHED TO OUR NAME IS?

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>> GENERALLY IS A COMPONENT OF YOUR OFFICE.

>> THEREFORE, WE CAN ONLY EDUCATE OUR ADVOCATES; CORRECT?

>> POINT OF ORDER, IT'S LATE, CAN WE GET TO THE MEETING.

>> NO POINT OF ORDER. WE ARE CONTINUING THIS ITEM, WHICH IS A VERY BIG ITEM FOR US IN THE CITY.

>> WE VOTED ON THIS ITEM ALREADY.

>> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT VICE MAYOR.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> THE CITY ATTORNEY IS REMINDING US OF ALL THE PARAMETERS OF WHERE AND HOW WE DO [OVERLAPPING]

>> DO YOU NEED A REMINDER? I DON'T NEED A REMINDER.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU MAY NOT, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME OTHERS AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON [OVERLAPPING] VICE MAYOR GELIN, THIS IS NOT UP TO YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH WONDERFUL ABILITIES TO NOT FINISH CERTAIN THINGS AND WE DON'T NEED ANYBODY COMING BACK AND SAY, I DID NOT KNOW.

THAT IS A REASON WHY YOU ARE MAKING SURE IT IS EXTREMELY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING, WE JUST EDUCATE AND WE DO NOT USE OUR TITLE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM FOR SAID EDUCATION.

>> AS WAS SAID EARLIER THIS EVENING, I'M AVAILABLE TO ALL OF YOU IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION OR ANY DOUBT AS TO WHAT IS PERMISSIBLE OR NOT.

I'M HERE TO BE CONSULTED AND TO ADVISE.

>> THAT IS THE SAME FOR ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS.

NOW MOVING ON TO 10A.

>> POINT OF ORDER MADAM MAYOR.

A QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY THROUGH CHAIR. CITY ATTORNEY.

>> YES, SIR.

>> BY NOW, I AM HOUSEHOLD NAME IN TAMARAC.

WHETHER I USE MY TITLE OR NOT, PEOPLE KNOW AND LOVE THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER MARLIN DE BOLTON.

>> YES, PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER.

>> FOR A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, I WILL BE OUT THERE.

MARLIN BOLTON WILL BE OUT THERE.

>> THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

MARLIN BOLTON IS OUT THERE, DOES NOT RUN A FILE OF THE PROHIBITION.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> MARLIN DE BOLTON CAN ADVOCATE COMMISSIONER MARLIN DE BOLTON CANNOT.

>> COMMISSIONER MARLIN BOLTON PAC CAN [LAUGHTER] ADVOCATE COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE].

>> POINT OF ORDER I NEED CLARITY.

THERE'S BEEN SOME DISTORTED INFORMATION HERE, SO I JUST WANT TO GET CLARITY.

I SEE ATTORNEYS THROUGH THE CHAIR.

WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES IF ONE OF US ACTUALLY ADVOCATE VERSUS PROVIDE INFORMATION?

>> I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP MY HEAD IF THERE IS A PENALTY PROVISION IN THE STATE STATUTE, BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WILL GET THAT INFORMATION TO EACH OF YOU.

>> THANK YOU, AND ALONG THOSE LINES ALSO, WHETHER A PACK THAT IS TIED TO A POLITICAL PERSON ON THE COMMISSION IS ABLE TO ADVOCATE VERSUS EDUCATE AS WELL.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO 10A,

[10.a Suspending discussions relating to campaign contributions, political action committees, social media policy, Media Outlets, Blogs as well as all discussions where the City Commission has no standing or jurisdictional authority, for a period of 180 calendar days. Requested by Commissioner Marlon Bolton]

SUSPENDING DISCUSSIONS RELATING TO CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES, SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY, MEDIA OUTLETS, BLOGS, AS WELL AS ALL DISCUSSIONS WHERE THE CITY COMMISSION HAS NO STANDING OR JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY FOR A PERIOD OF 180 DAYS THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER BOLTON. COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, JUST LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> NOT AN OPTION.

>> MAYOR, THIS VERY BODY HAS GIVEN BY COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS THAT SAME COURTESY.

HE'S SAID IN THE PAST, AND ATTORNEY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, HE'S BROUGHT UP ITEMS IN THE PAST AND HE SAID, "I DON'T WANT DISCUSSION ON THE ITEMS, I ONLY WANT CONSENSUS." YOU HAVE SANCTIONED THAT ATTORNEY, I'M I CORRECT?

>> AS I UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THE REQUESTS THAT COMMISSIONER BOLTON LIKE OTHER ITEMS HAVE COME UP UNDER THIS SECTION, THIS IS THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA.

>>THE OTHER ITEMS THAT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD.

THE ONES THAT YOU ARE ALLUDING TO WERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THERE WERE NO FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.

>> NO MA'AM.

>> YOU WANT CONSENSUS ON THINGS, BUT YOU DON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU MEAN? [OVERLAPPING]

>> MADAM MAYOR [OVERLAPPING].

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> UNDER THIS VERY SECTION OF THE AGENDA, ANOTHER COMMISSIONER HAS IN THE PAST SAID THAT HE ONLY WANTS CONSENSUS AND NO DISCUSSION, AND YOU HAVE ALLOWED IT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ALLOWED IT.

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NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT CANNOT BE DONE?

>> DID YOU PROVIDE THE [INAUDIBLE]

>> THOSE ITEMS COMMISSIONER HAVE BEEN PULLED, NOT FURTHER DISCUSS.

BECAUSE IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, THEY NEED TO HAVE THEM.

THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH IN THE PAST, YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO GIVE YOU A CONSENSUS WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING ANYTHING FURTHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

>> OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS MY ITEM.

THIS ITEM IS ABOUT SUSPENDING DISCUSSIONS RELATING TO CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, POLITICAL ADVERTISING, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES, SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY, MEDIA OUTLETS, THE BLOGS, AS WELL AS ALL DISCUSSIONS WHERE THE CITY COMMISSION HAS NO STANDING OR JURISDICTION OR AUTHORITY FOR A PERIOD OF 180 CALENDAR DAYS.

MAYOR, WE HAVE SPENT CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME HEARING ABOUT THESE ITEMS IN THE PAST.

ITEMS BROUGHT AND THEN PULLED, BROUGHT AND THEN DISCUSSED, AND THEN PULLED, BROUGHT AND THEN ASKED FOR CONSENSUS.

IT IS ALMOST LIKE A CIRCUS.

REALLY AND TRULY, I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS OF TAMARAC IS OVER IT, AND THEY'RE OVER COMMISSIONERS FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER, FIGHTING ON THE DESK, FIGHTING ONLINE, AND AT SOME POINT IT NEEDS TO STOP.

CAN I TELL A COMMISSIONER THAT HE OR SHE CANNOT GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND DISCUSS AN ITEM? I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT.

BUT WE AS A BODY CAN SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS IT HERE.

IF SOMEBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE SUN SENTINE, L WITH TAMARAC POST, WITH TAMARAC TALK, WITH ALL OF THE BLOGS, THEY SHOULD USE THEIR OWN PERSONAL RESOURCES TO DO THAT, NOT THE RESOURCES OF THIS COMMISSION.

THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO ARE SICK, AND TIRED OF COMMISSIONERS POSTING ONLINE CONSTANTLY.

IT IS NOT A ONE-SIDED THING WITH ONE COMMISSIONER USING ONE METHOD TO TALK ABOUT CERTAIN ITEMS, IT'S MORE THAN ONE.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE, CARRIE PHILLIPS BECAUSE OF ANOTHER COMMISSIONERS POST ON FACEBOOK SAYS, "I SEE THE BACK-AND-FORTH AMONG OUR CITY OFFICIALS AND FIND IT QUITE DISAPPOINTING.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU ARE BEING POOKED, YOU NATURALLY WANT TO RESPOND, BUT IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, THERE ARE TIMES, " AND SHE'S REFERRING TO COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, "WHEN YOU USE TO SUPPORT, USE THE SUPPORT OF THIS GROUP TO BE AS PETTY AS COMMISSIONER BOLTON." POINTING TO ME.' WHY CAN'T EVERYONE BE AND DO BETTER? I'M SURE MOST OF US HAVE CO-WORKERS WHO ARCH US, YET WE CAN'T BEHAVE IN THE MANNER IN WHICH MOST OF THE COMMISSION BEHAVES.

SERIOUSLY, DEFEND YOURSELF BUT NO NEED TO SEE WHO CAN GO LOWER.

EVERY CITIZEN IN TAMARAC LOSES WHEN OUR LEADERSHIP DOES THIS." MAYOR, IT DOES NOT STOP THERE.

PENNY COLEMAN SAYS, "YOU'RE RIGHT.

NOT BLUE ANYMORE," REFERRING TO THE BUILDING ON ROCK ISLAND AND COMMERCIAL.

"NOW, A BIG BROWN STORAGE FACILITY AND STILL UGLY.

IT'S DISAPPOINTING THAT OUR MAYOR CONTINUES TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS".

IT DOES NOT STOP THERE.

CARRIE PHILLIPS CONTINUES TO BE BERATED BY ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, AND SHE RESPONDS IN PART, BECAUSE TIME IS GOING, "THIS CURRENT POST DOES NOTHING TO BENEFIT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY OR DEFEND YOURSELVES."

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO STOP THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO READ EVERY SINGLE THING. [OVERLAPPING]

>> MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE 15 MINUTES FOR MY ITEMS. [OVERLAPPING]

>> WHERE DID YOU GET 15 MINUTES.

>> YES I DO.

>> THIS IS MY ITEM [INAUDIBLE] > NO, COMMISSIONER BOLTON, COME ON.

THERE'S NO FILIBUSTER AND IT SAYS THERE WERE NO RULES, THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

YOU HAVE SAID YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS.

>> WE DID NOT WANT TO DO ANY DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR, BUT YOU FORCED THE DISCUSSION.

>> NO. A DISCUSSION, NOT YOU READING.

>> ATTORNEY DO I HAVE 15 MINUTES ITEM OR NOT?

>> NO, YOU DON'T HAVE 15 MINUTES.

>> ATTORNEY DOES OUR RULES SAY OR DO I HAVE 15 MINUTES FOR MY ITEM OR NOT? IF NOT, HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE?

>> I BELIEVE THAT UNDER THE GENERAL RULES THAT IT'S A TOTAL OF SEVEN MINUTES THAT EACH COMMISSIONER WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

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>> START THE CLOCK OR CONTINUE IT.

>> YOU ALREADY BEEN FOR SEVEN MINUTES. I HAVE THE TIMING.

>> REALLY?

>> YOU WANT TO REWIND THE TAPE, MAYOR?

>> I'D BEEN HAPPY TO. ANYWAY, COMMISSIONER. [OVERLAPPING]

>> MAYOR.

>> PLEASE PROCEED BUT DO NOT READ US THE WHOLE BLOG COUNT, WE DO NOT NEED THAT.

>> I'M ALMOST DONE.

SABINE CHARLOTTE SAYS, "PLEASE HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR YOUR CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORS AND TAKE YOUR POLITICAL FIGHTS ELSEWHERE." IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON.

MR. ATTORNEY, YOU SAID THAT WE CANNOT ABRIDGE THE RIGHTS OF OUR RESIDENTS WHEN THEY POST ON FACEBOOK AND OTHER GROUPS USING YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

LAW COURTS HAVE SAID THAT YOU CAN'T CENSOR, LIMIT OR PRECLUDE ANY INDIVIDUAL [OVERLAPPING].

>> OR ABRIDGE THEIR RIGHTS.

>> WHEN ONE OF FOUR COMMISSIONER REALIZED THAT THE CITY WAS NOT ON HIS SIDE WITH THIS TIRADE OF BRINGING OUR CITY COMMISSION FURTHER TO THE GROUND, HE SAYS, "CLOSING THE CHAT, I'LL LEAVE THIS POSE WITH DID YOU KNOW.

DID YOU KNOW THAT APPROXIMATELY 5-10 PEOPLE ATTEND COMMISSION MEETINGS, APPROXIMATELY 15-20, WATCH THEM ONLINE.

THAT'S WHY THIS NONSENSE OCCURS", AND HE CLOSES THE CHAT.

ABRIDGING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS, NOT TONIGHT, SIR.

A VIOLATION OF RIGHTS.

MY ITEMS STANDS, WE CONTINUE THIS, WE'LL LOOK LIKE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF BROWARD.

SOMEBODY TOLD ME JUST THE OTHER DAY, "I WATCH YOUR COMMISSION MEETINGS" I'M LIKE," OH MY GOSH, GREAT.

YOU GUYS ARE A CIRCUS, " AND I'M LIKE "COME ON".

THIS NEEDS TO STOP.

IF IT STOPS WITH THIS ITEM, SO BE IT.

THIS NEEDS TO STOP.

WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY AND NOT THINK ABOUT THE PERSONALITIES, MY PERSONALITY OR ANY PERSONALITY ON THIS.

THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY NEEDS TO GO ON, PERIOD.

THIS IS IT. I'M DONE FOR NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, COMMISSIONER PLACKO, AND THEN BETH MERRICK GARLAND.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK THE ISSUE WITH THIS NEEDS TO STOP AND GO ON AS WE SAY, AND I REFERRED TO COMMISSIONER BOLTON THAT WE'RE GOING TO STOP, AND WE DON'T.

WE'RE USING TOOLS WHERE MR. ANTHONY BALOMY USING TAMARAC POST TO SPREAD LIES MIXED INFORMATION, AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME WE [OVERLAPPING].

>> POINT OF ORDER, ATTORNEY.

>> NO, THERE IS NO POINT OF ORDER HERE. [OVERLAPPING].

>> YOU ATTACKED ME DUDE, JUST RELAX.

>> YES IT IS.

>> YOU HAVE ALREADY ATTACKED HIM.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT TOO BAD YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE THROWN THE FIRST PUNCH.

I'M GETTING A LITTLE TIRED OF THIS AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOU BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE READING.

IF HE'S GOT A COMMENT ABOUT IT, YOU NEED TO SUCK IT UP AND DEAL WITH IT.

>> YOU'RE JOINING?

>> NO, HE IS HAVING HIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH RIGHT NOW.

YOU BROUGHT UP SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU DECIDED TO READ WHAT'S IN THE RECORD.

HE IS DOING THE SAME THING.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THAT'S TOO BAD.

YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS, PLEASE FINISH. [OVERLAPPING]

>> WHAT I'M MENTIONING IS THOSE STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE.

WE HAVE MR. ANTHONY BALOMY FROM TAMARAC POST, ALLEGEDLY ASSOCIATED WITH COMMISSIONER BOLTON BECAUSE THAT IS HIS GOOD FRIEND AS WELL, CONSIDERING THAT HE WENT TO NORTH FLORIDA, WHILE TRYING TO MAKE HIM THE DEPUTY CLERK.

WE KNOW THERE IS A CONNECTION WITH THEM.

MAYBE YOU SUGGEST TO HIM THAT MAYBE HE SHOULDN'T WRITE POST, AND THEN BLASTED OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA MIXING FACTS INFORMATION.

THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE GET TO SEND IT.

WE GRAB THAT POST AND WE SEND IT THROUGH AN ENTIRE CITY USING OUR PLATFORMS. IT'S A CIRCUS BECAUSE, I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU HAVE MADE IT A CIRCUS. THAT IS MY OPINION.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE'RE NOT FRIENDS, COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT? CARRIE PHILLIPS DID SAY THAT, BUT SHE ALSO DID SAY, "I KNOW HOW COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS".

I CAN GO ON WITH HER COMMENTS AS WELL BECAUSE I HAD A PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH HER.

"OH, YES I KNEW ABOUT COMMISSIONER BOLTON, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT".

I GET IT. I RESPECT THE OPINION OF PEOPLE.

I'D TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND I TAKE IT FORWARD, AND I MOVE WITH IT.

BUT WHEN WE ARE MIXING FACTS, WHEN WE ARE ALLUDING PEOPLE TO SITES AND THE WEBSITE IS JUST TO ATTACK MAYOR GOMEZ AND MYSELF AND PUT YOU ON A FLUFF,

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I THINK WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES AS FAR BERATING.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.

>> ONE MORE THING MAAM, I'M SO SORRY.

PUTTING THIS ON HOLD DOES NOT HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE.

IT DOES NOT.

BECAUSE THIS IS AN OPEN SEASON OF ATTACKS THAT WILL COME FOR 180 DAYS UNTIL ELECTION.

WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

A COINCIDENCE TO HOLD THIS OFF FOR 180 DAYS SO WE CAN GET BLASTED.

THEN WHAT? HOW DO WE EVEN CORRECT THAT? THEY SAY, DON'T FIGHT BACK.

YEAH, DON'T FIGHT BACK, I'M GOING TO STAND UP TO BULLIES.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

[NOISE] I'M NOT GOING TO SIT BACK AND WATCH AND GET BRAIDED AND GET TOLD LIES ABOUT MYSELF AND ALL THESE IMAGERY THAT YOU CREATE. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I'M NOT GOING TO GET BULLIED BY YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

THEY SAY, GOOD PUBLICITY, BAD PUBLICITY, IT'S PUBLICITY.

NO, I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT.

MAYBE DON'T ATTACK ME, DON'T ATTACK THE MAYOR, DON'T ATTACK COMMISSIONER PLACKO LIKE YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

YOU CAN CONTINUE FLUFFING YOURSELF AND VICE MAYOR GELIN, IF YOU WANT.

>> COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS, THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO AGAIN TRY TO KEEP THE COMMENTS STRAIGHT NOW TO A TOPIC.

WE ARE NOW MOVING TO VICE MAYOR.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, CITY MANAGER, HOW MANY DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS DO WE HAVE?

>> WHAT?

>> APPROXIMATELY?

>> HOW MANY DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS DO WE HAVE?

>> I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW THAT NUMBER, BUT MAYBE SEVEN.

>> IF WE AS A COMMISSION RESPECT OUR VALUED EMPLOYEES, IT'S 12:30 AT NIGHT.

SOME OF THEM HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS, KIDS, SPOUSES.

THIS IS REALLY NOT A LEGITIMATE DEBATE THAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

CITY ATTORNEY THROUGH THE CHAIR, CAN THE CITY COMMISSION REGULATE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS?

>> I'M SORRY?

>> CAN THE CITY COMMISSION REGULATE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS OR POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES OR MEDIA OUTLETS OR BLOGS? DO WE HAVE THE POWER TO REGULATE THAT?

>> CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS IF YOU WERE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN NECESSARILY THE SUPPORT TO DO SO.

PACKS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANIMAL AND BLOGS AND MEDIA OUTLETS ARE OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION, NOT NECESSARILY OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THEY HAVE PROTECTIONS UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

>> WHEN A COMMISSIONER BRINGS AN ITEM TO THE AGENDA THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S JURISDICTION, ISN'T IT YOUR ROLE AND THE ROLE OF THE CITY MANAGER TO ADVISE THAT COMMISSIONER THAT PROBABLY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ADD THIS ITEM TO THE COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T REGULATE?

>> A POINT OF ORDER MAYOR. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS THERE THAT HE JUST ASSESSED

>> HOLD ON THERE, IF I MAY.

THAT IS THE ITEM 10B IS [OVERLAPPING] BASICALLY ABOUT THAT.

BUT IF YOU WISH, RIGHT NOW, THE CITY CODE WITHOUT QUALIFICATION, STATES THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLACE UP TO FOUR ITEMS ON ANY GIVEN AGENDA AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE DEADLINE TO DO SO.

AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, AND I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE ABSENT A CODE CHANGE IN INTRUDING UPON THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION TO PLACE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

>> CITY ATTORNEY I'M GOING TO ASKED YOU TO NARROW IT DOWN FOR [OVERLAPPING].

>> I'VE BEEN VERBALLY, OPENLY CRITICAL OF THE PRIOR CITY ATTORNEY AND THE PRIOR CITY MANAGER FOR CHARACTER ISSUES, FOR DISHONESTY, FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

HOWEVER, THEY DID HAVE A FEW GOOD QUALITIES, AND I'M SURE COMMISSIONER BOLTON WILL AGREE THERE WERE TIMES WHERE IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA AND YOU BROUGHT IT TO THE PRIOR CITY MANAGER, HE WOULD SAY, "WELL, HOW ARE YOUR COLLEAGUES GOING TO FEEL ABOUT THIS? DO YOU THINK THEY CAN GET THIS DONE?"

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SAME THING WITH THE PRIOR CITY ATTORNEY.

THIS MAY NOT BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE X, Y, AND Z, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S HAPPENING.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE MIGHT BE COMING FROM.

TEN B SHOULD NOT EXIST IF YOU HAVE A PROACTIVE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY THAT'S ADVISING AND CONSULTING WITH THE CITY COMMISSION? NO. YOU'RE NOT OVERSTEPPING THE BOUNDS OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

YOU'RE GIVING YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION AND ADVICE BASED ON A PARTICULAR MATTER.

IF YOU KNOW THAT POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES ARE NOT REGULATED BY THE CITY COMMISSION, THAT SHOULD BE ADVISED TO THE COMMISSIONER BOTH VERBALLY AND IN WRITING.

SAY THEY WANT BLOGS AND MEDIA OUTLETS.

YOU CAN'T REGULATE TAMARAC TALK, YOU CAN'T REGULATE TAMARAC POSTS.

YOU CAN'T REGULATE RED BROWARD.

THIS IS AMERICA, WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

THAT SHOULD BE EXPLAINED TO THE COMMISSIONER WHO MAY STILL THINK THAT LATIN AMERICAN RULES APPLY IN AMERICA AND IT DOESN'T.

>> EXCUSE ME. WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DOES NOT APPLY TO LATIN AMERICA VICE MAYOR? MAYOR POINT OF ORDER, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE ON ITEM 10A NOT 10B.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THE VICE MAYOR IS JUMPING ROWS HERE.

>> PART OF THE REASON WHY I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S LEEWAY FOR THE VICE MAYOR TO BE JUMPING BETWEEN 10A AND 10B IS BECAUSE THE WAY THE ITEM WAS WORDED WITH STANDING AND JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY GIVING THERE BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THESE ITEMS ARE VERY MUCH SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR GOMEZ. THANK YOU.

>> IT'S WRITTEN IN A MANNER THAT ALLOWS THIS PART OF THE CONVERSATION HERE WHICH TIES INTO 10B.

HOWEVER, THERE IS A SEPARATE ITEM WITHIN 10A THAT IT HAS TO BE FINISHED FIRST BEFORE WE SHOULD GO ANY FURTHER ONTO THE 10B.

VICE MAYOR GELIN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE HOLD ANY FURTHER COMMENTS REGARDING WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO FINISH GOING OVER FOR 10B IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

>> NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

I THINK MY POINT IS TAKEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE PROACTIVE ADVICE IN COUNSEL FROM-

>> WHICH WILL BE 10B. THANK YOU.

>> THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY WHEN ADVISING A NEW COMMISSIONER WHO HASN'T STUDIED THE RULES OR MAY NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS COUNTRY IS GOVERNED. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO. WE'RE ON 10A.

YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT LIT.

>> I AM TRYING TO CHOOSE MY WORDS CAREFULLY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

I AM SICK, AND TIRED OF SITTING UP HERE, AND LISTENING TO NONSENSE.

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT BLOGS.

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS MEDIA OUTLET.

DON'T READ IT. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

I DON'T READ IT BECAUSE IF IT'S GOING TO BOTHER ME OR IF IT'S GOING TO ANNOY YOU.

REGARDLESS, IT DOESN'T BELONG UP HERE ON THE DIAS.

IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A BLOG, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE MEDIA OUTLETS, LEAVE IT OUTSIDE THESE DOORS, IT DOESN'T BELONG IN HERE.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMMISSION, AND IT'S CERTAINLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR RESIDENTS.

SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KEEP THIS OUT OF HERE, I AM ALL FOR.

I MAY HAVE MAYBE WORDED THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE SAME PLACE.

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT ANYMORE.

I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY TIME SITTING UP HERE LISTENING TO PEOPLE FIGHT ABOUT WHO SAID WHAT ON WHAT BLOG, AND WHO SAID WHAT ON NEXT DOOR DOESN'T BELONG HERE.

LET'S GET RID OF IT, AND STOP IT.

THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES, AND LET'S DO IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE NOW RIGHT?

>> NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE JUST YEAH. THANK YOU.

BASICALLY, WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IS PROVING THE POINT OF WHAT THE CITY MANAGER, AND CITY ATTORNEY BROUGHT TO US MONTHS AGO REGARDING A SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY THAT THIS COMMISSION DID NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON? HAVE WE HAD A SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY? MUCH OF THIS STUFF WOULD NOT BE HERE FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.

PEOPLE, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

WE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY.

STUFF THAT HAS BEEN BLOGGED ABOUT US IS BECAUSE OF OUR ACTIONS.

STUFF THAT HAS BEEN BLOGGED IS STUFF THAT THIS COMMISSION, I'M NOT SAYING INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF US DON'T TOUCH IT.

IT'S JUST IN GENERAL BEING PUT OUT THERE.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PUT IT OUT THERE, BE MINDFUL OF YOUR OWN ACTIONS, AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

THERE IS NO 180-DAY HIATUS ON THINGS.

WE DON'T CONTROL THE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPECIFIC ITEM ON THAT, THEN YOU PUT IT SEPARATELY ON THE REQUEST FOR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES, WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANTS TO BE ON HERE.

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BUT THE REALITY IS 10A IS A NO-STARTER BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTROL OURSELVES, AND DO THINGS, AND WE HAVEN'T DONE IT.

I WILL BASICALLY STATE THAT 10A IS OVERBROAD, AMBIGUOUS, AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE ENFORCEABLE ANYWAY, EVEN IF WE SHOULD SAY, WE WANT 180 DAY.

WHAT IS IT? SUSPENSION OF IT.

MY OPINION, AND NOW I WILL CALL FOR CONSENSUS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 10A.

A YES IS THAT THERE'S THIS SUSPENSION FOR A PERIOD OF 180 DAYS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO TEETH OR SAYING NO, AND SAYING WE MOVE ON NEXT TO 10B WHERE MAYBE WE COULD POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING. CITY CLERK.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER VILLALOBOS?

>> VICE MAYOR GELIN?

>> MAYOR GOMEZ.