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[BACKGROUND]

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[BACKGROUND]

>> THE CONVENTION DOESN'T MIND WHEN I INVITE YOU GUYS ALL DOWN TO

[Additional Item 1]

PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION TO ANASTASIA WILLIAMS, AS TODAY IS ANASTASIA WILLIAM'S DAY, PLEASE JOIN US.

WE ARE RECOGNIZING ANASTASIA FOR HER ACADEMIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

I'LL START READING: WE AS THE CITY OF TAMARAC WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AND CONGRATULATE ANASTASIA WILLIAMS ON HER ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENTS, AND AS SHE IS A CURRENT RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, MATRICULATING FROM THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

SHE STARTED HER ACADEMIC CAREER AT TAMARAC ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BEING ENROLLED IN THE GIFTED PROGRAM BY THE THIRD GRADE AND ACHIEVING STUDENT ON A ROLL EVERY GRADUATING PERIOD.

PREVIOUSLY, SHE ATTENDED DEERFIELD MIDDLE SCHOOL AND WAS A PARTICIPANT IN THE IB PROGRAM.

SHE UTILIZED DISTANT LEARNING DURING THE PANDEMIC, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO COMPLETE HER COURSEWORK EVEN THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

ANASTASIA, WHO IS CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN PLANTATION MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE IB PROGRAM, WAS EVALUATED AND DEEMED ELIGIBLE FOR PROMOTION TO THE EIGHTH GRADE, DUE TO HER HARD WORK AND DILIGENT COMPLETION OF ALL HER SEVENTH-GRADE LEARNING REQUIREMENTS.

ANASTASIA WILLIAMS, WHO HAS CONSISTENTLY SCORED ALL FOURS ON OUR FLORIDA STANDARDS ASSESSMENT, WILL BECOME ONE OF BROWARD COUNTY'S YOUNGEST STUDENTS, TO BE GRADUATING FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL WITH EXCEPTIONAL ACADEMIC TRACK RECORD.

NOW THEREFORE, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, WE DO PROCLAIM JUNE 9TH, 2021, AS ANASTASIA WILLIAMS DAY.

CONGRATULATIONS.

[APPLAUSE].

[BACKGROUND] I BELIEVE SHE HAS SOME WORDS SHE WANTS TO SAY?

>> THANK YOU. AS MR. GELIN SAID, MY NAME IS ANASTASIA WILLIAMS. I ATTEND PLANTATION MIDDLE SCHOOL WHERE I AM IN THE INTER-BACCALAUREATE OR IB PROGRAM.

I'M 12 YEARS OLD AND LOOKING FORWARD TO ATTENDING HIGH SCHOOL IN AUGUST, AS WELL AS BECOMING A TEACHER IN NOVEMBER.

I HAVE NOT HONED IN ON A SCHOOL AS YET, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND ST. THOMAS HIGH SCHOOL OR NOVA SOUTHEASTERN HIGH SCHOOL.

I DID HAVE [INAUDIBLE] ELITE HIGH SCHOOL.

I AM VERY HONORED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING AND I'LL LIKE TO THANK THE TAMARAC COMMISSION, MISS MAXINE CALLOWAY, AND A VERY SPECIAL THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSIONER MR. MIKE GELIN FOR MAKING IT HAPPEN.

I NEVER SAW THIS COMING.

DOING LONG SCHOOLS NEVER AN OPTION FOR ME.

I WAS TAUGHT AT A VERY YOUNG AGE THAT GETTING GOOD GRADES IS MY DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY.

SINCE DAY ONE, I DID AS I WAS TOLD, BECAUSE I NEVER WANTED TO FEEL THE WRATH OF GRANDMA [INAUDIBLE] OR MOMMY [INAUDIBLE].

I NEVER EXPECTED TO BE REWARDED FOR DOING WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT IT FEELS GREAT AND ENCOURAGING.

ONE OF MY MOM'S FAVORITE EXPRESSIONS IS, IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD, AND BOY, DO I HAVE MY VILLAGE? I HAVE THE BEST AUNTIES AND UNCLES SOME OF WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT IN MY CORNER.

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I HAVE MY GRANDMA AND HER SIBLINGS, MY GREAT GRANDMA, AND MY RECENTLY DECEASED GREAT GRANDPA, WHO WERE VERY STELLAR AND INSTRUMENTAL IN MY UPBRINGING, AS WELL AS A HOST OF DYNAMIC AND EQUALLY SMART COUSINS ON MY TEAM.

LAST ONE, IN NO WAY LEAST, I HAVE THE VERY BEST GODFATHER, MR. DON DIXON, WHO IS VERY STERN BUT KEEPS ME FOCUSED AND GROUNDED.

I HOPE TO CONTINUE TO DO WELL AND MAKE MY FAMILY AND THE CITY PROUD.

I THANK THE CITY OF TAMARAC ONCE AGAIN FOR RECOGNIZING ME TONIGHT.

[APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU, HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.

WE WILL NOW TURN TO THE CITY ATTORNEY REPORT.

[1. CITY ATTORNEY REPORT]

>> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, JUST WANTED TO REPORT THAT WE ARE FULLY TRANSITIONING THE WORKLOAD TO OUR FIRM AND WE'RE STAFFED AND WORKING SUCCESSFULLY ON THAT ENDEAVOR.

THE ONLY OTHER ITEM I WISH TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, IS THERE HAS BEEN SOME CORRESPONDENCE IN OUR PREVIOUS, YOU MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING REGARDING ME AND MY FIRM'S INVOLVEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE WOODLANDS MATTER.

COUNCIL FOR THE DEVELOPER HAS FORWARDED A LETTER THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE IN HAND, REGARDING SOME ASSERTIONS OF CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS AND ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.

IT IS MY SUGGESTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT THE CITY COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THE ENGAGEMENT OF OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO ADVISE STAFF IN THIS COMMISSION WITH RESPECT TO THE WOODLANDS MATTER, AND AVOID ANY APPEARANCE, REAL, IMAGINED REGARDING ANY CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS AND ENSURING THAT THAT DOES NOT BECOME A FUTURE ISSUE OF POTENTIAL LITIGATION AS THAT PROJECT POTENTIAL MOVES FORWARD.

IT'S MY REQUEST THIS POINT IN TIME THAT YOU PROVIDED YOU ALL WENT THROUGH ENGAGEMENT LETTER FROM THE LOHMAN LAW GROUP, WHICH SPECIALIZES IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW.

THEY ARE BASED OUT OF PALM BEACH COUNTY.

THEY REPRESENT A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES IN PALM BEACH COUNTY, THAT'S ALL THEY DO.

THEY ARE VERY WELL-QUALIFIED, VERY WELL EXPERIENCED IN ZONING AND LAND-USE MATTERS THAT WOULD REQUIRE STAFF'S ADVICE ON A PARTICULAR ISSUE WHICH IS FORWARD.

UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST THAT YOU AUTHORIZE THAT ENGAGEMENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I TAKE IT YOU'RE ASKING THIS TO BE IN A FORM OF A MOTION.

[OVERLAPPING] THEREFORE, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AUTHORIZE THE [OVERLAPPING] ENGAGEMENT OF [OVERLAPPING] THE LOHMAN LAW GROUP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND?

>> MOTION TO DISCUSS.

>> WHAT DID HE SAY?

>> HE'S MOTION TO DISCUSS.

WE'LL DO A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION.

>> SO MOVED.

>> MOVED.

>> SECOND.

>> OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, IT'S SECONDED, AND NOW WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER PLACKO, OR IS THAT FOR YOUR MOTION? MORE OFTEN STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN, PLEASE GO FORWARD.

COMMISSIONER BOLTON, YOU WERE IN WHEN I WAS TURNING IT OFF AND CLEARING THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER BOLTON, COMMISSIONER GELIN, YOU ARE ON DECK.

>> THANK YOU. MR. HERIN, DID YOU REPRESENT TO ANY OF US BEFORE YOU WERE SELECTED TO BE OUR CITY ATTORNEY, THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THE 13TH FLOOR DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT CHOOSING YOU WOULD BE OKAY BECAUSE YOU DID NOT HAVE A CONFLICT.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON, YOU ARE CORRECT.

ME AND MY FIRM PREVIOUSLY ADVISED THE CITY WITH RESPECT TO THE PRESTIGE HOMES MATTER.

PRIOR TO UNDERTAKING THAT ENGAGEMENT MATTER, WE DID CONSULT WITH THE FLORIDA BAR, AND RECEIVED CLEARANCE FOR THAT REPRESENTATION THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, PRIOR TO SUBMITTING OUR PROPOSAL TO BECOME THE CITY ATTORNEY.

WE ALSO CONSULTED WITH THE FLORIDA BAR WITH RESPECT TO THE WOODLANDS MATTER AND RECEIVED CLEARANCE FROM THE FLORIDA BAR.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, AS YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, IT'S NOW MY RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND I'M ADVISING OR IT'S

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JUST MY OPINION THAT IN ORDER TO REMOVE ANY POTENTIAL LITIGATION RELATED TO THE ISSUE OF MY FIRM'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE WOODLANDS MATTER, THE FAIL-SAFE METHOD TO AVOID ANY SUCH LITIGATION IS TO BRING IN OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

OTHERWISE, POTENTIALLY, THERE WOULD BE A DISPUTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT ME AND MY FIRM COULD REPRESENT OR CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THE CITY AS IT RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO THAT ISSUE.

ULTIMATELY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY SEEK A WRITTEN OPINION FROM THE FLORIDA BAR ON THAT ISSUE.

HOWEVER, THERE'S AN ISSUE OF TIMING AS WELL, AND AGAIN, I DO NOT WANT THAT TO BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO THE MATTER MOVING FORWARD, AND BECOMING POTENTIALLY A CAUSE FOR FUTURE LITIGATION.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. IN SHORT, YOUR ANSWER IS THAT YOU DID TELL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE A CONFLICT PRIOR TO GETTING THE CITY ATTORNEY POSITION? BUT YOU DID NOT SAY WHEN YOU REPRESENTED THAT THAT IT COULD AT SOME POINT POSE SOME EXPOSURE TO THE CITY.

YOU DID NOT SAY THAT, BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT NOW, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE SELECTED THIS NEW FIRM TO REPRESENT THE CITY ON THAT PARTICULAR MATTER?

>> CORRECT. CERTAINLY AND I STAND BY THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US BY THE FLORIDA BAR, THE ASSERTION OF A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTERESTS WAS RAISED SUBSEQUENT TO MY CONVEYING THAT INFORMATION TO THIS COMMISSION, AND AGAIN, IN ORDER TO AVOID THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO BECOME AN ADDITIONAL ISSUE, THE BEST WAY, THE FAIL-SAFE WAY TO RESOLVE IT IS TO BRING IN OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

IF YOU WISH, WE CAN OBTAIN A WRITTEN OPINION FROM THE FLORIDA BAR.

GENERALLY, I THINK I SAID TO YOU ALL AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT GENERALLY IT TAKES FROM 3-5 WEEKS, BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMING ISSUES THAT ARE ALSO IN PLAY AS I UNDERSTAND.

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BECOME AN IMPEDIMENT OR A REASON WHY THERE MIGHT BE POTENTIAL LITIGATION MOVING FORWARD.

[NOISE]

>> MR. HERIN, WHEN DID YOU WRAP UP REPRESENTING THE WOODLANDS DEFENSE FUND COOPERATION?

>> OVER A YEAR AGO.

>> OVER A YEAR AGO THAT WAS WRAPPED UP, BUT DOES IT USUALLY TAKE SOME TIME FOR THAT TO REFLECT ON THE COUNTY SYSTEM?

>> IN OUR SYSTEM, YES.

NOT ONLY DID WE DID WE CONSULT WITH THE FLORIDA BAR, BUT WE ALSO, AS I INDICATED I THINK IN MY PRIOR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, WE CONSULTED WITH THE FLORIDA COMMISSION ON ETHICS.

THEY ASKED US OR THEY RECOMMENDED TO US IN A WRITTEN LETTER, THAT WE FORMALLY SEND CORRESPONDENCE TO DEFEND THE WOODLANDS, TERMINATING THAT REPRESENTATION AND CLEARING THE BOOKS, SO TO SPEAK, WHICH WE DID, AND THAT RESOLVED THE CONCERNS OF THE FLORIDA COMMISSION ON ETHICS.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. BACKMAN A QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY COMMISSIONER, YOU SAID YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO MR. BACKMAN AFTERWARDS.

AFTER OUR FIRST ROUND OF DISCUSSION, WE WILL CALL MR. BACKMAN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR IF MR. BACKMAN, AS ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT, HAS ANY COMMENTS HE'D LIKE TO SHARE. COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> SURE, IT'S A TWO PART QUESTION.

IN REFERENCE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S EMAIL, HE STATED, "AS YOU ARE AWARE, MR. HERIN HAS STATED PUBLICLY TO YOU HE ACKNOWLEDGE HE HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN LAND USE MATTERS PERTAINING TO THE WOODLANDS." BUT THAT'S NOT MY RECOLLECTION, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT HE SAID HE HAS NO CONFLICT OF INTERESTS AND GOT VERBAL CLEARANCE FROM THE FLORIDA BAR. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR THE MANAGER, I THINK WHAT THE MANAGER IS REFERRING TO IS THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THOSE COMMUNICATIONS,

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THE CITY DID RECEIVE THE LETTER FROM MR. [INAUDIBLE] , WHICH IS BEEN PLIGHTED TO YOU ASSERTING THAT THERE WERE ISSUES AND THERE WERE CONCERNS.

I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING I SAID THE SAME THING I'M SAYING HERE TONIGHT, WHICH IS THE FAIL SAFE MANNER TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE, IS TO BRING IN AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

>> FROM WHAT I REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S A SEPARATE ATTORNEY AT YOUR FIRM THAT WOULD REPRESENT THE CITY IN THIS MANNER?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

MY STATEMENT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, THE ISSUE COULD BE RESOLVED IN ONE OR TWO MANNERS.

ONE, Y'ALL COULD CONSENT TO THE REPRESENTATION AND WE WOULD BRING IN SOMEONE FROM MY FIRM THAT IS COMPLETELY UNASSOCIATED WITH THE DISPUTE, HAS NO INVOLVEMENT, OR PAST INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER.

IN FACT, I THINK I MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY THAT DURING THAT TIME-FRAME THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN THE DISPUTE, THE ATTORNEY WHO I WOULD BRING IN WASN'T EVEN A MEMBER OF OUR FIRM.

BUT THE ALTERNATIVE WAS ALSO TO ENGAGE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

IN MR. [INAUDIBLE] LETTER TO THE CITY, WHICH HAS BEEN AGAIN PROVIDED TO YOU ALL, MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS ASSERTING THAT HE BELIEVES, AGAIN, THAT ONLY THE FLORIDA BAR CAN ISSUE A BINDING OPINION.

BUT HE IS ASSERTING THAT THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS NOT JUST ME, BUT TO MY FIRM AS WELL.

AGAIN, BASED UPON THAT STATEMENT, THAT IS WHERE I REACHED THE CONCLUSION THAT THE FAIL-SAFE SOLUTION IS TO BRING IN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO REPRESENT THE CITY IN THIS MATTER TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL OF THAT BECOMING SUCH AN ISSUE OF LITIGATION.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, CITY MANAGER, WERE YOU INCORRECT IN YOUR STATEMENT IN THE EMAIL? BECAUSE HERE YOU SAY, "AS YOU ARE AWARE AND MR. HERIN STATED PUBLICLY TO YOU HE ACKNOWLEDGE HE HAS A CONFLICT IN LAND USE.

BUT AT THE LAST MINUTE HE TOLD US HE HAS NO CONFLICT." WAS THAT A MISTAKE?

>> NO, COMMISSIONER GELIN.

THAT WAS NOT A MISSTATEMENT, I BELIEVE THAT MR. HERIN IS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT HE, AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY, HAS A CONFLICT AND THAT HIS FIRM MAY BE REPRESENTED BY ANOTHER LAWYER, MAY NOT HAVE A CONFLICT, BUT THAT HE DOES.

>> THAT'S NOT WHAT HE STATED AT THE LAST MEETING.

HE STATED HE HAS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND GOT CLAMOROUS VERBALLY FROM THE FLORIDA BAR THAT THERE'S NO CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.

>> HE DID STATE THAT.

I THOUGHT THAT HE STATED THAT HE HAD A CONFLICT, AND THAT HE WOULD ENGAGE ANOTHER MEMBER OF HIS FIRM TO REPRESENT THE CITY IF THAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

NOW, SUBSEQUENT TO THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMISSION, MR. HERIN AND I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO BEST HANDLE THIS, AND HOW TO BEST PROTECT THE CITY GOING FORWARD.

MR. HERIN, I BELIEVE, HAS DECIDED AND RECOMMENDED THAT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, IT'S BEST THAT A THIRD PARTY BE BROUGHT IN TO HANDLE THE ISSUE.

THAT I BELIEVE WAS WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED IN MY EMAIL.

>> OKAY.

>> THAT'S MY ONE-POINT CLARIFY, I REMEMBER YOU STATING THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS AND THAT WAS CLEAR TO THE FLORIDA BAR, VERBALLY.

>> WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE COMMISSIONER GELIN.

HOWEVER, I DID SAY AS THE MANAGER IT INDICATED THAT IN ORDER TO AVOID THE ISSUE BEING PRESENTED IN MY CONTEXT OF ME BEING INVOLVED, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FLORIDA BAR ADVICE TO US WOULD BE TO BRING IN SOMEONE ELSE FROM MY FIRM, IF THAT IS THE WAY THAT THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD.

IT MAY BE A MATTER OF SEMANTICS, BUT WE REACH AND WE GET TO THE SAME POINT IN EITHER WAY.

>> OKAY. AS EVERYONE KNOWS, I DID STATE THAT IT WAS A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

THAT WAS MY BELIEF AND I THINK THAT'S PROVEN CORRECT TODAY.

BUT I THINK TO REALLY ESTABLISH THAT CHINESE WALL, TO REALLY COMPLETELY REMOVE THE APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS, THE CITY COMMISSION SHOULD ACTUALLY SELECT THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT SHOULD REPRESENT THE CITY IN THE WOODLANDS MATTER.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION TO REALLY HAVE THAT CHINESE WALL, MAKE SURE THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION AND MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE IN THEIR DUE PROCESS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN RAISED A QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO JUST EXTEND ON.

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CITY ATTORNEY, IN YOUR CONTRACT DOES IT ALLOW YOU TO CHOOSE OR DOES IT ALLOW US TO CHOOSE OUTSIDE CONSOLE WHEN IT COMES TO MATTERS SUCH AS THIS?

>> I BELIEVE THAT HISTORICALLY THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN INTERPRETED IT'S BEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO HAS ENGAGED THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL OR ON THE COMMISSION ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT BEYOND ASKING MR. LOMAN IF HE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN HANDLING THIS MATTER, I'VE HAD NO SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. LOMAN ABOUT THE MATTER ITSELF, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE MAY BE A QUESTION OR CONCERN REGARDING THAT.

I BELIEVE IN CONSIDERING WHO MIGHT BE THE OPTIMUM CANDIDATE TO HANDLE THIS MATTER FOR THE CITY, I LOOKED FOR THREE COMPONENTS, SO TO SPEAK.

ONE, SOMEONE WHO'S EXPERIENCED AND QUALIFIED, SOMEONE WHO HAS A SUBSTANTIVE KNOWLEDGE IN LAND USE AND ZONING AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION IS SOMEONE WHO HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH ANY OF THE PARTIES AND ISN'T EVEN LOCAL OR WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS MATTER.

IN MY OPINION, MR. LOMAN AND HIS FIRM CHECK OFF ALL THREE OF THOSE BOXES.

>> MR. CERNECH, QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.

IN PAST LITIGATION WOULD THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE THE CHOICE TO SEEK OUTSIDE CONSOLE OR THAT WOULD BE IN THE MATTERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO CHOOSE OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO REFERENCE TO THAT QUESTION COMMISSIONER GOING AHEAD. YOUR STATEMENT.

>> YES. VICE MAYOR FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, ALL SELECTIONS OF OUTSIDE COUNSEL HAVE BEEN HANDLED BY THE LAST TWO CITY ATTORNEYS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MR. GELIN, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE SPEAKING.

>> JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A CLARIFY THING.

>> WAIT, YOU'VE HAD YOUR FIRST ROUND.

I'M GOING TO SPEAK IF COMMISSIONER PLACKO ISN'T READY TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'RE GOING GO TO THE [INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO GET TO THE SAME PLACE HERE TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS DONE IN A FAIR WAY FOR ALL PARTIES CONCERNED.

I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH GETTING OUTSIDE COUNSEL, SO THERE IS NO IMPRESSION THAT THIS HAS NOT BEEN HANDLED IN A FAIR MANNER.

>> THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

I THINK THE RECORD IS EXTREMELY CLEAR THAT DUE DILIGENCE HAS BEEN DONE, THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, HOWEVER, THERE IS AN APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS THAT IS FELT RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS BY THE COMMISSION, NOT BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS PROVIDED THE LEGALESE THAT IS NECESSARY TO SHOW THAT WE COULD HAVE HIS FIRM STILL PROVIDE THE BLOCKAGE IN THE WALL THAT IS USED IN LEGAL TERMS FOR HIS FIRM DOESN'T EXTEND TO OTHER FIRMS. BUT OUR COMMISSION, BY MAKING THIS DECISION, IF WE SHOULD MAKE THIS DECISION TO HIRE A SEPARATE PATH OUR CITY ATTORNEY THROUGH HIS POWERS THAT HE IS THROUGH THE CHARTER, AND HAS BEEN GIVEN TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHO HAS NO TIES THIS MATTER WHATSOEVER WILL HELP THERE BE A REMOVAL OF ANY LOOK OF IMPROPRIETY.

IT WILL HELP, I BELIEVE, LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT GIVE SOME RELIEF TO THE APPLICANT THAT THERE IS NO LINGERING MATTERS THAT COULD HAVE CONCERN.

IT'LL GIVE THEM DUE PROCESS AND IT CREATES AN EVEN AND FAIR PLAYING GROUND FOR THIS MATTER TO CONTINUE FORWARD IN A LEGAL WAY.

I DO SUPPORT THE HIRING OF MR. LOMAN'S FIRM.

SORRY, I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE SEEING CERTAIN THING.

AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY LIKES TO COME SPEAK.

>> THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

>> WELCOME.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> GOT IT. THERE WE GO.

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>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> [LAUGHTER] SCOTT BACKMAN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY.

I THINK I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THIS ANY LONGER.

I THINK THE LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED REALLY SAYS EVERYTHING FROM OUR END AND I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION'S ARRIVED AT THE DECISION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST MR. HERIN, A VERY GOOD AND CAPABLE AND REPUTABLE GOVERNMENT LAW ATTORNEY.

JUST OBVIOUSLY CIRCUMSTANCES AND NOT ALL OF YOU WERE SITTING ON TODAY AS THE LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE YOU, BUT CIRCUMSTANCES BEING WHAT THEY WERE, WE BELIEVE THAT AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY ATTORNEY IS THE APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION AS WELL AND I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT MR. HERIN SAID.

I DON'T KNOW MR. LOMAN PERSONALLY, I KNOW HIM BY REPUTATION.

HE WORKS UP IN NORTH PALM BEACH COUNTY.

ALTHOUGH I WORK IN PALM BEACH COUNTY, I DON'T WORK IN ANY OF HIS CITIES, SO WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY DEALINGS WITH ONE ANOTHER.

BUT I DO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND HIM TO BE A VERY REPUTABLE ATTORNEY AND WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO THE CITY MOVING FORWARD IF THEY SO CHOOSE IN HIRING HIM.

I BELIEVE MS, COMMISSIONER BOLTON HAD A QUESTION, BUT OTHERWISE, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON DO YOU STILL HAVE A QUESTION?

>> MR. BACKMAN ADDRESSED MY QUESTION, THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED HIM IN THE AUDIENCE AND I WAS PREPARED TO ASK HIM ON RECORD THAT HE HAS NO CONFLICT OR HE HAS AN OBJECTION WITH THE FIRM THAT IS BEING SELECTED.

I DO HAVE ANOTHER FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOR MR. HERIN.

>> COMMISSION ONE SECOND, PLEASE.

>> I'M GOOD. UNLESS OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE A QUESTION, I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN.

>> YEAH. GO AHEAD AND PLEASE [LAUGHTER] SIT DOWN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. HERIN, YOU SPOKE ABOUT POTENTIAL EXPOSURE TO THE CITY.

I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAWSUITS AND THAT'S SORT OF STAFF.

DESCRIBE EXPOSURE FOR ALL OF US.

>> EXACTLY AS YOU MENTIONED.

ANOTHER ISSUE THAT COULD BE RAISED IN POTENTIAL LITIGATION, THAT THE RIGHTS OF THE APPLICANT WERE SOMEHOW AFFECTED AS A RESULT OF THE ALLEGATION THAT ME OR MY FIRMS AND FOR INVOLVEMENT IN THE MATTER OF MOVING FORWARD VIOLATES THEIR DUE PROCESS RIGHTS.

>> OKAY. ALSO BY EXPOSURE, YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL EXPOSURE TO THE CITY BASED ON THE LAWSUIT THAT WOULD BE FILED, ETC.

>> NOT NECESSARILY.

WE REALLY WOULDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL SUCH A LAWSUITS WERE FILED.

BUT GENERALLY AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE GENERALLY, LAND-USE MATTERS OR LITIGATION RELATED TO LAND-USE MATTERS DON'T NECESSARILY GIVE RISE TO FINANCIAL LIABILITY UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC ALLEGATION OF SOME TYPE OF REGULATORY TAKING INVERSE CONDEMNATION OR POTENTIALLY FASHION IN THE FORM OF BERT HARRIS CLAIM, WHICH DOES ALLOW PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEEK MONETARY DAMAGES.

BUT AS A GENERAL RULE, NO, SIR.

>> THEN YOU WOULD AGREE THAT [INAUDIBLE] FILED THAT IT WOULD BE COVERED THE COST OF ATTORNEY'S FEES WOULD BE COVERED UNDER YOUR $50,000 FLAT FEE, THAT THERE WOULD BE NO EXPOSURE FINANCIALLY TO THE CITY WHERE ABOUT THIS CONCERNED?

>> ONE OF THE HOURLY RATE COMPONENTS OF OUR PROPOSAL DOES ALLOW US TO CHARGE FOR LITIGATION MATTERS ON A SEPARATE BASIS, BUT WE MAY NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS A QUESTION, IS THAT IN OUR PROPOSAL AS WELL AS IN YOUR APPROVED BUDGET FOR LEGAL SERVICES THIS YEAR AND MOVING FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR.

>> THE COST OF THE THIRD PARTY TO REPRESENT THE CITY WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN YOUR MONTHLY FLAT FEE COST? WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY CHOOSING A OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO PRESIDE OVER MATTERS RELATED TO THE PRESTIGE HOMES, BUT THE COST FOR LEWMAN'S LAW FIRM WOULD NOT BE COVERED UNDER YOUR FLAT FEE COST OR WOULD IT?

>> NO, SIR, BUT IT IS BUDGETED.

IT IS WITHIN THE EXISTING BUDGET THAT I OTHERWISE WOULD POTENTIALLY CHARGE IF THAT WERE THE CASE.

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THERE WON'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL EXPOSURE TO THE CITY BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED.

>> YOU'RE SEEING THAT YOU'RE CHARGING THE CITY $50,000 AS A FLAT FEE, BUT WHEN THE WOODLANDS PROJECT COMES UP, THAT THAT WOULD BE AT ITS SEPARATE COST TO THE CITY?

>> NO, SIR.

>> THEN MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION IS THAT IF WE SELECT MR. LEWMAN'S FIRM AS OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO PRESIDE OVER THE PRESTIGE HOMES MATTER, THAT WOULD NOT BE COVERED UNDER YOUR $50,000 FLAT FEE, AND THERE WOULD BE FINANCIAL EXPOSURE TO THE CITY IN ADDITIONAL COSTS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL BECAUSE OF THE PERCEIVED OR IMAGINED CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT YOU HAVE.

>> THERE WOULD BE COST BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, THEY ARE [OVERLAPPING] BUDGETED.

>> THERE WOULD BE COSTS?

>> YES, SIR.

>> YOU ARE REPRESENTING THAT THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, BUT RECOMMENDING AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL AT ADDITIONAL COST?

>> I THINK THAT IN THE [OVERLAPPING].

>> WOULD THAT BE A YES OR NO ANSWER MR. AARON?

>> YES.

>> WE HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS CHARGING $50,000 AS A FLAT FEE.

THEN BECAUSE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, APPEARED OR IMAGINED OR ACTUAL, YOU HAVE TO STEP ASIDE AND THE CITY HAS TO NOW HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL BECAUSE YOU REPRESENTED TO THE REST OF THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

NOW, YOU ARE BLATANTLY ALLOWING THE CITY TO SPEND MORE MONEY BECAUSE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE COVERED UNDER YOUR $50,000.

I THINK THAT IS RECKLESS.

I THINK THAT IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS.

IF YOU MR. AARON DOES NOT FEEL THAT YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, [NOISE] THEN YOU SHOULD PRESIDE OVER THE MATTER.

YOU HAVE SAID ON THE RECORD TONIGHT, THAT YOU DO NOT FEEL THAT YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

YOU'VE SAID ON THE RECORD THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN COVERAGE FROM THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS.

YOU'VE STATED ON RECORD THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN A COVERAGE FROM ALL FORMS, AND WE HAVE TAKEN YOUR WORD FOR IT.

BUT [NOISE] IN THE SAME TOKEN, YOU'RE ASKING US [NOISE] TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL BECAUSE THERE [NOISE] IS AN APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT OR IT COULD BE IMAGINED.

[NOISE] I THINK THAT IS RECKLESS TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

THIS COMMISSION MAY AND TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS SAID ON RECORD THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE RIGHTS TOO, AND RESIDENTS HAVE RIGHTS.

WE ALWAYS HAVE TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE DEVELOPER AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF OUR RESIDENTS.

BUT AT THE COST OF TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS, MORE MONEY BEING SPENT TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL BECAUSE YOU RECOMMENDED, YOU REPRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT YOU HAD NO CONFLICT AND ARE REPEATING THAT TONIGHT, THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO SHALLOW UP MORE MONEY TO PAY FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL BECAUSE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOUR REPRESENTATIONS.

I THINK THAT IS RECKLESS.

TO COMMISSIONER GELIN'S POINT.

MR. COMMISSIONER GELIN STATED THAT THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT WOULD BE SELECTED WILL BE SELECTED BY YOU.

I THINK THAT IS A EXTENSION OF YOU, AND I DON'T SEE THAT THERE IS A CHINESE WALL, SO TO SPEAK.

I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT COMMISSIONER GELIN'S POSITION THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OTHER WAY THAT WE SELECT AN ATTORNEY.

IF THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO DO THAT, SELECT MR. LEWMAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS.

HE SEEMS VERY WELL CAPABLE TO HANDLE THE PROJECT.

MR. BATMAN HAS SPOKEN HIGHLY OF HIM AS WELL.

IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE CITY COMMISSION THEN THAT IS THE WILL, BUT I ALSO THINK THE WHOLE PROCESS IS RECKLESS.

I THINK THAT IT IS UNFAIR TO THE TAXPAYERS TO SPEND MORE MONEY.

THE SAME COMMISSION WHO DID NOT WANT TO SPEND $50,000 TO INVESTIGATE A LEAK.

THE SAME COMMISSION WHO IS MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE CONSERVATIVE IN OUR APPROACH IN SPENDING, SHOULD NOT BE THE COMMISSION TO SPEND MORE OF TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS ON A SITUATION LIKE THIS.

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I RESPECT TO YOU, MR. AARON, YOU KNOW THAT.

I'VE SAID THAT PRIVATELY AND I'LL ALSO SAY THAT PUBLICLY AT ANY POINT, BUT I DO NOT RESPECT THE FACT THAT YOU REPRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT YOU HAD NO CONFLICTS, VERBAL AND IN WRITING.

YOU'VE ALSO SAID IT TONIGHT.

THEN YOU WANT THIS COMMISSION, AFTER HEARING THAT, TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL AT MORE COST.

IT DOESN'T FLY MY BOOK, AND THIS WILL GO DOWN IN THE RECORD BOOKS.

I'M PARTICULARLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING VICE MAYOR, VILLALOBOS VOTE ON THIS.

MR. CONSERVATIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GELIN, AND BOLTON.

I'M GOING TO PASS IT BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO COMPLETE A THOUGHT THAT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE WITH ONE ITEM.

THE DEFINITION OF A CHINESE WALL THAT IS USED IN LEGAL PURPOSES IS A SCREENING BARRICADE ESTABLISHED WITHIN A LAW FIRM TO PREVENT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST BETWEEN ASSOCIATES.

WHILE WE'RE THROWING AROUND TERMINOLOGY, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST THAT WE ACTUALLY USE THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY.

MR. CITY ATTORNEY, YOU WE'RE GOING TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF THE FEES WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT YOU CHARGE AND DON'T CHARGE AGAINST YOUR RETAINER, AND THAT IF YOU ARE IN A LAWSUIT, WHAT YOU WOULD [NOISE] CHARGE AS WELL?

>> THAT'S IS CORRECT MADAM MAYOR.

THERE WOULD BE A SEPARATE CHARGE THAT IS THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY.

[NOISE] BUT TO THE ISSUE, IF A LAWSUIT RESULTS AND WE HANDLE IT AS ARISING FROM THIS ISSUE, THEN THAT WOULD BE CHARGED ON AN HOURLY BASIS.

IT WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY THE $50,000 MONTHLY RETAINER.

TO THE ISSUE THAT COMMISSIONER BOLTON HAS RAISED.

THIS COMMISSION, IF IT SO CHOOSES CAN DECIDE TO CONSENT TO ME AND MY FIRM'S REPRESENTATION AND IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY COVERED WITHIN THAT 50,000.

ON THE BACK-END, THOUGH, I SUSPECT THAT THIS COMMISSION IS GOING TO END UP POTENTIALLY DEALING WITH LITIGATION RELATED TO THIS PROJECT THAT IS LIKELY TO INCLUDE A COMPONENT ALLEGING A VIOLATION OF THE DEVELOPERS DUE PROCESS RIGHTS UNDER CERTAIN SCENARIOS.

I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE HERE, SO WHAT THAT OUTCOME IS, SO THAT WOULD BE A COMPONENT OF THAT LITIGATION.

IT'S PAY SOMEONE NOW OR PAY THEM LATER BECAUSE THAT THEN WOULD BECOME AN ISSUE IN THAT LITIGATION.

IF THIS COMMISSION HE LIKES TO MOVE FORWARD AND SAY, NO, MR. HERIN, WE AGREE WITH YOU, WE AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOLTON THAT THERE ISN'T A CONFLICT THAT YOU MADE THAT REPRESENTATION, WHICH I STAND BY.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO THEN PUT THAT ISSUE IN POTENTIAL PLAY IN FUTURE LITIGATION, THEN THE WAY TO RESOLVE THAT IS TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GELIN.

[NOISE]

>> SPEAKING OF DEFINITIONS, A CHINESE WALL IS A BUSINESS TERM USED TO DESCRIBE A VIRTUAL BARRIER ERECTED TO BLOCK THE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS IN A COMPANY.

THE WALL IS NOT A PHYSICAL ONE, BUT AN ETHICAL ONE INTENDED TO PREVENT THE SHARING OF INFORMATION THAT MIGHT LEAD TO ETHICAL OR LEGAL CONSEQUENCES.

ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH THE SELECTION, I ALSO AGREE THAT I THINK THE PERCEIVED CONFLICT OF INTERESTS IS AN EXTENSION IF THE PERSON WITH THE CONFLICT IS ALSO MAKING THE SELECTION.

TO COMPLETELY CLEAR THAT, THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE THE ONE TO SELECT THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL.

TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, YES, UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, IT IS OKAY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SELECT AN OUTSIDE COUNCIL.

WE'VE NEVER HAD A CITY ATTORNEY IN 20 YEARS THAT CROSS-EXAMINED OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR AND SAT BEFORE US AND ARGUED AGAINST THE APPLICANT.

THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE.

IT'S NOT THE SAME COMPARISON.

UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, YES.

THE CURRENT CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PICK THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL.

WHEN THAT CITY ATTORNEY HAS A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT REPRESENTED THE ONE PARTY THAT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE US AGAINST THE PARTY THAT'S HERE IN FRONT OF US NOW, THAT'S ALSO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

THE CITY COMMISSION SHOULD SELECT THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL.

NOT THE CURRENT ONE BECAUSE HE HAS INHERENT CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

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THAT'S MY POINT, WHICH I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING AND NO ONE ELSE AGREED.

I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT MADE IT CLEAR THIS WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GELIN. VICE MAYOR.

>> CITY MANAGER, REGARDING THE WOODMONT MATTER, THE LAWSUIT THAT'S PENDING, WHO'S COVERING THE COST FOR OUR LITIGATION? IS IT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES?

>> THERE ARE TWO MATTERS THAT ARE BEING LITIGATED: THERE'S THE MATTER OF THE HOTEL AND THERE'S THE MATTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

>> THE WHOLE TOWN.

>> I BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LITIGATION COSTS ARE BEING COVERED BY THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.

I'M NOT SURE SITTING HERE ABOUT WHETHER THE HOTEL IS OR NOT AT THIS POINT.

MAYBE MR. HERIN KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

>> THE HOTEL APPEAL IS BEING COVERED BY THE CITY.

THE LITIGATION REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS BEING COVERED AND BEING PAID BY THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.

>> IF THIS MATTER COMES BEFORE US AND WE GET INTO A LAWSUIT, LET'S SAY, WHO WOULD BE COVERING THE COST? THE CITY OR THE LEAGUE OF CITIES?

>> DEPENDS ON THE NATURE AND THE ALLEGATIONS IN THE LAWSUIT.

I CAN'T ANSWER THAT AT THIS TIME, UNFORTUNATELY.

>> IF YOUR FIRM WERE TO COVER THE LITIGATION, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT IT WOULD BE WITHIN OUR BUDGETED ALLOTTED AMOUNT PER ANNUAL FISCAL YEAR.

WOULD IT REALLY TRULY AFFECT OUR HOURLY IF IN CASE YOUR FIRM WERE TO DEFEND HIS MATTER?

>> NO. IT'S BUDGETED.

>> OKAY. CONSIDERING THAT MR. BATMAN IS ALSO AMENABLE, AS COMMISSIONER BOLTON SAYS, TO USE LOHMAN FIRM.

I THINK IT'D BE A WISE CHOICE TO USE THAT FIRM CONSIDERING THAT IN PAST HISTORY FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, CITY MANAGER HAS SAID THAT IN LITIGATION, OUR CITY ATTORNEY CHOOSES THAT FIRM AND IT'S WITHIN MR. HERIN'S CONTRACT TO CHOOSE THAT FIRM AND NOT, WE HIRE MR. HERIN AS CITY ATTORNEY.

WE DON'T HIRE MORE ATTORNEYS FOR THAT MATTER, ADDITIONAL ATTORNEYS.

I THINK THAT'S WITHIN HIS PARAMETERS TO DO AND NOT THE COMMISSION'S. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY ONE THING.

THE LOHMAN LAW FIRM IS $250 AN HOUR, WHICH IS LESS THAN YOUR HOURLY RATE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, THE REGULAR DAY-TO-DAY WORK THAT WOULD BE DONE ON THIS MATTER, NON-LITIGATION WILL BE UNDER YOUR RETAINER AMOUNT AND IS THE SAME AS IF YOU WERE DOING IT.

IF THERE'S LITIGATION, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH FORM WOULD BE DOING IT, WHETHER IT'S YOURS OR LOHMAN LAW GROUP OR ANY OTHER LAW FIRM.

IT'S STILL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE RETAINER BECAUSE IT IS A LAWSUIT, AND THEREFORE THERE WOULD BE AN EXPENSE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. BASICALLY, BY GOING WITH A THIRD PARTY, IT REMOVES US FROM IMPUDENCE OF IMPROPRIETY, WHETHER REAL OR IMAGINED, NOT BUYING INTO A LAWSUIT, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THERE.

IN MY WORLD, SOMETIMES WE NEED A THIRD APPRAISER.

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE ONE ATTORNEY AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER ATTORNEY, AND THEY PICK THE THIRD PERSON.

IT IS VERY WELL BEEN DONE THROUGH THIS.

OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS PICKED A THIRD PARTY, THE APPLICANT HAS APPROVED THAT THIRD PARTY, THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION, THERE IS NO TIES, THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THE PROJECT, IT IS CLEAN.

I THINK IF WE ARE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO TRY TO HAVE THE COMMISSION HIRE SOMEBODY, WE ARE ALSO BUYING INTO A LAWSUIT BECAUSE WE ARE DELAYING A PROCESS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DELAYED THROUGH COVID AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THIS PAST YEAR.

I AM FOR HIRING LOHMAN LAW GROUP PROCEEDING IN THE MANNER THAT WILL BE BEST INTEREST FOR OUR CITY,

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AND IT IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

THAT IS MY OPINION. AT THIS TIME, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MADAM [INAUDIBLE].

>> SORRY.

>> YEAH. THANK YOU. IF I MIGHT, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS NOT TO EXTEND THE CONVERSATION, BUT JUST A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT HERE.

THE FIRST THING IS THAT THE LETTER THAT WAS RECEIVED BY THE CITY FOR MR. MOSKOWITZ WAS SENT TO ME.

IT WAS NOT SENT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, IT WAS NOT SENT TO THE CITY COMMISSIONER. IT WAS SENT TO ME.

THE PURPOSE OF THE LETTER WAS TRULY TO ENSURE THAT THE APPLICANT, THIRTEENTH FLOOR BE PROVIDED UNBIASED DUE PROCESS GOING FORWARD.

THE REASON WHY THAT CAME TO ME WAS BECAUSE AS THE CITY MANAGER, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAND USE PROCESS.

I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT BEING ABLE TO SUBMIT, BEING REVIEWED, BEING CONSIDERED, AND BEING BROUGHT TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL.

BASED ON MR. MOSKOWITZ'S CONCERNS WHICH HAVE RAISED ANY NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, WE HAVE SPOKEN ANY NUMBER OF TIMES WITH MR. HERIN ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH MR. MOSKOWITZ'S CONCERNS.

WHAT WE HAVE NOT DONE IS SPEAK WITH MR. HERIN ABOUT ISSUES RELATED TO THE WOODMONT LAND-USE PLAN AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED BY THIRTEENTH FLOOR.

BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN OF THE CONFLICT AND TRYING TO BE SURE THAT THE PROCESS IS NOT BIASED IN ANY WAY AND THAT WE DO NOT CREATE ANY LIABILITY AT THE END FOR THE CITY.

THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL HAS BEEN STALLED AS WE'VE SOUGHT TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE OF THE CONFLICTS AND CONSIDER THE ISSUES THAT MR. MOSKOWITZ RAISED.

THE DECISION TO HIRE A THIRD PARTY OR SPECIFICALLY MAX LOHMAN'S FIRM TO ADVISE US GOING FORWARD IS VITAL AT THIS TIME IN ORDER TO CONTINUE PROCESSING THE APPLICATION WHICH HAS BEEN STALLED.

THE RESULT OF THE APPLICATION BEING STALLED IS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADVISE THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OF A NEED TO EXTEND THE 180-DAY WINDOW TO PROVIDE FOR THIS PROCESS TO CONTINUE.

AS YOU'VE HEARD, THERE HAVE BEEN ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, ANY NUMBER OF AGENCIES, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HAVE STALLED THIS APPLICATION, BEGINNING WITH COVID, BEGINNING WITH ACCOUNTING, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND TRIP BACK TO THE COUNTY, AND NOW THE ISSUE HERE OF US BEING ABLE TO NOT REALLY PROCESS THIS ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE SPECIFICALLY NOT ASKED MR. HERIN IN ORDER TO NOT BIAS THE PROCESS.

I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER AND THAT IT'S VITAL FOR US TO BE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE AN UNBIASED PATH FOR THE APPLICANT GOING FORWARD, IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND TO GET BACK BEFORE YOU AS THEY ARE ENTITLED FOR A DECISION. THAT'S ALL, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> NO.

>> VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> THE MOTION PASSES THREE TO TWO.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CITY ATTORNEY, ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR REPORT?

>> NOTHING FURTHER.

>> THANK YOU. NOW, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR HIS REPORT, PLEASE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, IN THE SPIRIT OF REPORTING, I DON'T HAVE A REPORT THIS EVENING.

>> EXCELLENT. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE FOR US?

>> I DO NOT, MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, YOU DO. [LAUGHTER]

>> OH, I'M SORRY, MADAM MAYOR.

[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU KATHLEEN.

WE DO HAVE ONE THING THAT I HAD TO BE REMINDED OF MADAM MAYOR.

[2.a. Certified Municipal Clerk Presentation to Assistant City Clerk Kimberly Dillon]

>> EXCELLENT. PLEASE PROCEED.

>> I'M GOING TO DO THAT AND I'M GOING TO DO IT IF I CAN READ THIS UP HERE.

I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THIS EVENING TO INTRODUCE SANDRA MCCREADY.

SANDRA IS THE SOUTH DISTRICT DIRECTOR OF THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF CITY CLERKS, AND SANDRA IS HERE TO PROVIDE SOME WELL-DESERVED RECOGNITION THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO INTRODUCE MS. MCCREADY.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT MR. MANAGER. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

IF I MAY THROUGH THE MAYOR, CAN I HAVE KIMBERLY DYLAN JOIN ME HERE?

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>> YES, PLEASE.

>> MY NAME IS SANDRA MCCREADY, AND I AM THE TOWN CLERK FOR THE TOWN OF SURFSIDE.

I'M CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE SOUTH DISTRICT DIRECTOR FOR THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF CITY CLERKS.

I AM JOINED HERE TODAY BY THE FOLLOWING CITY CLERKS.

OBVIOUSLY, MY DEPUTY CLERK, EVELYN HABELO AND YOU CAN COME AND JOIN ME HERE, PLEASE.

YOUR OWN CITY CLERK, JENNIFER JOHNSON.

[INAUDIBLE] CITY CLERK FOR THE CITY OF ORLANDO BEACH, AND ELIZABETH GARCIA-BECKFORD CITY CLERK FOR THE CITY OF NORTH LAUDERDALE.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT, TO RECOGNIZE ASSISTANT CITY CLERK KIMBERLY DYLAN FOR OBTAINING THE CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL CLERK DESIGNATION.

KIMBERLY HAS BEEN EMPLOYED BY THE CITY OF TAMARAC SINCE JUNE 1ST, 2015, WHEN SHE WAS HIRED AS THE RECORDS COORDINATOR, WAS PROMOTED TO ASSISTANT CITY CLERK IN MAY OF 2020.

SHE BECAME A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF CITY CLERK'S BACK IN MAY 2018.

CURRENTLY THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF CITY CLERK'S HAS OVER 665 MEMBERS.

OF OUR 665 MEMBERS, THERE ARE 231 MEMBERS WHO HAVE REACHED THE CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL CLERK DESIGNATION.

THE CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL CLERK PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO ENHANCE JOB PERFORMANCE AND RECOGNIZE THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE IN SMALL AND LARGE MUNICIPALITIES.

TO EARN THE CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL CLERK DESIGNATION, A CLERK MUST OBTAIN EXTENSIVE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, INCLUDING A MINIMUM OF 120 STUDENT INSTRUCTOR CONTACT HOURS OF IN-DEPTH COURSES, AND REQUIRES EXPERIENCE IN A MUNICIPALITY.

THE PROGRAM PREPARES THE APPLICANT TO MEET THE CHALLENGES OF THE COMPLEX ROLE OF THE MUNICIPAL CLERK BY PROVIDING THEM WITH QUALITY EDUCATION IN PARTNERSHIP WITH INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER LEARNING.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO READ KIMBERLY'S PLAQUE.

IT'S FROM THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OR MUNICIPAL CLERKS HEREBY CONFERS, THE TITLE OFF CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL CLERK OPEN KIMBERLY DYLAN, CMC, WHO HAS COMPLETED THE REQUIREMENTS PRESCRIBED BY THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF MUNICIPAL CLERKS FOR CERTIFICATION.

CERTIFIED THIS 24TH DAY OF MAY OF 2021.

WE'RE A LITTLE LATE.

BUT RIGHT NOW JENNIFER, YOUR CITY CLERK IS PUTTING THE PIN ON KIMBERLY.

[APPLAUSE] ON BEHALF OF THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF CITY CLERKS AND THE SOUTH DISTRICT, PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING KIMBERLY ON HER EFFORTS AS ONE OF OUR NEWEST CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL CLERK.

CONGRATULATIONS.

[APPLAUSE].

[BACKGROUND]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> EVERYONE SHOULD BE VERY PROUD.

IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT, VERY PROUD AND WONDER IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

ALSO I SEE FAMILY AND WONDER IF FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO COME DOWN AND HAVE SOME PHOTOS AS WELL.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MAYOR, COMMISSION, VICE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO STAFF AND OUR DEVELOPMENT.

CITY MANAGER CERTAINLY THE SAME, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

KATHLEEN, THANK YOU, MY MENTOR APPRECIATE THAT AND TO MY LADIES IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THANK YOU.

YOU GUYS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[APPLAUSE] YOU GUYS HAVE HELPED ME ON MY JOURNEY.

I THANK YOU. JEN, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A SHORT WHILE, BUT THANK YOU.

YOU PUSH US EVERY DAY AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

MY FELLOW CLERKS, YOU GUYS INSPIRE ME EVERY DAY.

I MAY BE LOW KEY AS JEN SAYS, BUT I'M IN THE BACKGROUND, AND I'M NOTICING THE HARD WORK YOU GUYS PUT IN EVERYDAY, SO THANK YOU.

IT'S TRULY SOMETHING TO ASPIRE FOR. APPRECIATE YOU.

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>> KIMBERLY. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO INVEST IN YOURSELF.

>> PRECISELY. THANK YOU MIKE.

[APPLAUSE] MAYOR, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, MY FAMILY IN THE BACK, MY HUBBY, MY SONS, MY MOM.

MOM, I KNOW YOU'RE PROUD TONIGHT AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST GIFT I COULD GIVE YOU TO START ANOTHER CHAPTER AS YOU LEAVE ME.

BUT I LOVE YOU. I LOVE YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

THANK YOU FOR FILLING IN THE GAP WHEN I'M AWAY FROM HOME ATTENDING THESE CONFERENCES.

THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE YOU.

LOVE YOU ALL [APPLAUSE].

>> WE ARE SO PROUD OF YOU AND YOU HAVE A PHOTO WITH YOUR FAMILY? EXCELLENT WORK, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

[APPLAUSE] AS SOME OF US PUSH BACK SOME SNIFFLES. EXCELLENT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

[3. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION]

CITY ATTORNEY, WILL YOU PLEASE PRESENT HOW WE ARE HANDLING IT FOR THIS LAST MEETING?

>> YES. MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE WHERE RESIDENTS AND OTHERS CAN APPEAR BY PHONE.

AS HAS BEEN THE CUSTOMER OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE LAST YEAR, WHEN PEOPLE ARE CALLED TO PARTICIPATE BY PHONE, THEY'LL BE RECOGNIZED AND PUT INTO THE SYSTEM BY IT TO ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR NORMAL PROCEDURES WHERE THEY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK IF THEY SO WISH.

THEN AT THE END, WE'LL REVERT BACK TO THEIR NORMAL PROCESS.

FOR NOW, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THIS WILL BE THE LAST SUCH MEETING WHERE WE FOLLOW THIS PROCEDURE AND THE ALL FUTURE MEETINGS WILL BE IN PERSON.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK, I'M GOING TO JUST REMIND EVERYBODY YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YOU ARE ASKED TO GIVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, YOUR FULL ADDRESS IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE.

IF NOT, PLEASE AT LEAST PROVIDE THE CITY WHERE YOU LIVE AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

THERE'LL BE A TIMER IN FRONT OF YOU LETTING YOU KNOW WHEN THERE'S A FEW SECONDS LEFT.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT WE LIKE AND I SAW THAT YOU DID THIS EARLIER, [NOISE] WE DO CLAPS.

BUT WE REFRAIN FROM ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE DURING OR BOOING TYPE COMMENTS.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CALL MISS ROSE GROVE.

SHE IS OUR FIRST PERSON TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

>> MY NAME IS ROSE GROVE, 5907 NORTHWEST 69W, TAMARAC, FLORIDA 33321.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY WATER BILL.

IN 2019, MY WATER BILL WAS ALWAYS $38, SOMETIMES $45.

LAST YEAR IT WENT TO $51.94, AT THE TIME I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION BECAUSE I WASN'T TOO WELL, BUT THIS YEAR I SAW IT AND I HAD CALLED THE CITY IN APRIL.

THEY CAME AND THEN THEY CHECK MY METER AND THEY SAID METER WAS RUNNING 1/2 A WEEK.

THE TIME THEY CAME, I WAS IN CHURCH AND I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT LIVES IN THE HOUSE.

I HAD A PLUMBER COME IN, HE CHECKED THE WATER METER IT WASN'T RUNNING AND THE AREA WAS DRY.

I PUT THE FLUSH ON AND IT RAN, THE METER RAN BUT TO FORCE IT OFF,

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THE METER RUN A LITTLE BIT AND THEN JUST STOPPED.

I ONLY TAKE A SHOWER ONCE A WEEK, I ONLY WASH CLOTHES TWICE A MONTH, I DON'T COOK SO I DON'T DO DISHES.

I DON'T FLUSH THE TOILET EVERY TIME SO I JUST LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE COME AND CHECK THE METER AT LEAST TWO MONTHS IN A ROW TO SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH WATER I'M USING. THAT'S ALL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY.

>> THE CITY MANAGER WILL HAVE SOMEBODY COORDINATE WITH YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS LYDIA QUERY.

YOU DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT? DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING?

>> NO, MADAM.

>> OKAY. THOUGH IT WAS GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU. DARCY SCHILLER.

>> DARCY SCHILLER'S 7879 GRANVILLE DRIVE, TAMARAC.

I HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES, THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO ADDRESS IS WITH MR. BOLTON AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.

MR. BOLTON SAID SOMETHING IN REGARD TO SOMETHING THAT YOU DID ABOUT BEING RECKLESS AND I HAVE TO COMMENT.

THE ONLY RECKLESS THING WAS WHEN MR. BOLTON LOST CONTROL AND CALLED OUR FORMER CITY ATTORNEY, SAM GOREN, UNTRUSTWORTHY.

HAD HE NOT CALLED HIM UNTRUSTWORTHY, SAM GOREN WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ATTORNEY AND WE WOULD NOT BE IN THIS POSITION.

NO OFFENSE TO YOU MR. HERIN.

PUTTING THAT ASIDE, IF MR. GELIN AND MR. BOLTON HAD NOT CARRIED ON SO BADLY ABOUT TRYING TO RUSH THROUGH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE VETTED OUT OTHER ATTORNEYS THAT MAYBE WOULD NOT HAVE PUT US INTO THIS FINANCIAL SITUATION.

AGAIN, I BLAME MR. BOLTON AND MR. GELIN FOR THAT.

MR. GELIN, YOU SENT OUT A NOTE ON SOME, I DON'T KNOW, SOME E-MAIL OR SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT HOW YOU WEREN'T ASKING FOR AN OLYMPIC-SIZE TRACK AND YOU NOW CHANGED IT TO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A RUBBERIZED TRACK.

NOW, ALTHOUGH I KNOW THE TRACK IS A DEAD ISSUE, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION FOR.

MR. GELIN, YOU FLAT OUT LIED WHEN YOU SAID TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANTED A RUBBERIZED TRACK THE ENTIRE TIME.

HOW DO YOU EXPECT THE COMMUNITY TO RESPECT YOU WHEN YOU'RE NOT HONEST WITH THE COMMUNITY.

ALSO, IF YOU DID ANY HOMEWORK, YOU WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT THAT A RUBBERIZED TRACK IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE FOR [OVERLAPPING].

>> YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING FACTUALLY, YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTS.

YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING FACTUALLY.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN, WE DO NOT INTERRUPT THE SPEAKER.

>> OKAY. NOW, THE LAST POINT I WANTED TO MAKE WAS THE CITY MANAGER.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW HIM PERSONALLY, I MET HIM WHEN I TOOK TAMARAC UNIVERSITY I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO OR SO.

HE STRUCK ME AS BEING A REPUTABLE, HONEST MAN IN A FAIRLY STELLAR AT WHAT HE DOES.

OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND THE STATE AT LARGE SEEMS TO THINK THE SAME THING BECAUSE HE'S CONSTANTLY BEING RECRUITED FOR OTHER JOBS.

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS MR. BOLTON, WHY YOU HAVE TO DELINEATE HIS SALARY TO THE EVERY LAST PENNY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT MAKING THOSE BENEFITS IN THAT SALARY AND YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY ENVIOUS AND JEALOUS.

MR. GELIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE TO QUESTION ABOUT LOOKING INTO HIS CONTRACT, LOOKING INTO THE PROCESS OF HIRING A NEW CITY MANAGER.

EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH THE CURRENT MANAGER WE HAVE SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO MAKE A CIRCUS OUT OF THIS COMMISSION EVERY SINGLE MONTH, EVERY TWO WEEKS; AFTER EVERY TWO WEEKS, WITH THE TWO OF YOU, MR. BOLTON AND MR. GELIN BEING THE CLASS CLOWNS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. CITY CLERK, OUR BUTTONS DIDN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING GOING DOWN FROM GREEN TO YELLOW TO RED [NOISE] AS A HEADS UP.

>> CAN I CALL ALL OF THEM?

>> NO, YOU WERE FINE ON TIME.

JUST MAKING SURE FOR NEXT, THANK YOU. LIZZY AREZZO.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS LIZZY AREZZO, I AM A TAMARAC RESIDENT FOR 21 YEARS, DISTRICT 3.

I SIT HERE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I COME TO THE COMMISSION MEETING IN OVER A YEAR AND I WANTED TO COME AND SEE AND HEAR FOR MYSELF TO SEE IF THE COMMENTS AND WHAT I READ IS TRUE.

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I AM SITTING HERE APPALLED, EMBARRASSED.

I KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

FOR YOU ALL TO SIT HERE AND THROW SHADE ON EACH OTHER AND DISRESPECT EACH OTHER AND OUR CITY AND THAT EVERYONE HEAR AND SEE.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE ACT.

CITY OF TAMARAC, WE WERE THE BEST AT ONE TIME.

WE REPRESENTED THE BEST CITY IN BROWARD COUNTY.

YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK AT THAT PUT YOUR DIFFERENCES ASIDE, COME ON NOW.

NONE OF YOU, NONE OF YOU ARE PERFECT AND YOU NEED TO STOP THROWING SHADE AT EACH OTHER, GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

HONESTLY, I AS A RESIDENT OF TAMARAC, I'M EMBARRASSED.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF READING ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER.

HEARING ABOUT IT, IT'S JUST APPALLING AND I AM ASKING YOU AS A RESIDENT, AND I KNOW THAT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE.

COME ON, GUYS.

YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS, LET'S GET IT TOGETHER.

LET'S MAKE THIS CITY NUMBER 1 AGAIN, PUT YOUR DIFFERENCES TO THE SIDE.

NOT OF YOU ARE PERFECT BY FAR, BY FAR.

I AM ASKING AS A RESIDENT OF TAMARAC TO PLEASE LET'S GET IT TOGETHER, GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER.

PUT YOUR DIFFERENCES TO THE SIDE AND WORK FOR CITY OF TAMARAC AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

THANK YOU [APPLAUSE].

>> THANK YOU. WE DO THIS [NOISE] THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK THAT HAS NOT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SO? SEEING THAT THERE'S NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY?

>> NONE OF THE AUDIENCE.

>> DO WE HAVE ANYBODY?

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR. WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK BY PHONE.

HIS NAME IS MR. PABLO CRUZ.

>> UNKNOWN PARTICIPANT IS NOW JOINING, 6358160.

>> MR. CRUZ THIS IS MICHELLE GOMEZ AND YOUR TAMARAC CITY COMMISSION GIVING YOU A CALL.

WE'RE SORRY, WE MISSED YOU.

WE WILL TRY YOU BACK IN A FEW MINUTES.

>> THAT'S IT.

>> THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ACTUALLY, YOU'RE THE LAST CALLER, SO SORRY, WE WILL NOT BE CALLING YOU BACK THIS EVENING.

>> UNKNOWN PARTICIPANT IS NOW EXITING.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING TELEPHONE CALLINGS.

IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT.

PEOPLE ARE NOT NECESSARILY SURE WHAT TIME WE'RE GOING TO GET TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, AND THEN THEY WIND UP LOSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE WITH HAVING PEOPLE WHO CAN E-MAIL THEIR COMMENTS IN AND IT'LL BE INCLUDED INTO THE RECORD.

IT WILL NOT BE READ INTO THE RECORD.

FOR ANY COMMENTS TO BE INTO THE RECORD DIRECTLY, WE WILL ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE COME TO OUR MEETINGS.

SEEING THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

THE LIGHT IS NOW OFF. NEVER MIND.

>> I'D JUST LIKE TO REQUEST THAT PERSONAL TIME OF PRIVILEGE AFTER ITEM 10B.

>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE NOW GOING TO GO TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, CITY MANAGER, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS?

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> WE HAVE NO ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS THIS EVENING, MADAM MAYOR.

>> EXCELLENT. I NEED A MOTION AND THEN A SECOND.

>> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CONDUCT A ROLL VOTE.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU.

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>> MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

MOVING TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON THE FORMATION OF AN INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT.

[5.a. Discussion and direction on the formation of an Independent Solid Waste District]

I WILL NOW ASK FOR JACK STRAIN AND TROY GIES TO PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH A PRESENTATION.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

HOPEFULLY I'M NOT TOO LOUD THIS TIME.

I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO TALK TOO LOUD.

APPARENTLY, MY VOICE CARRIES QUITE WELL OVER THE LAPTOP HERE [OVERLAPPING].

>> A TAD LOUD, JACK.

>> I'VE NEVER BEEN TOLD THAT I HAVE A MOUSY VOICE, I MUST ADMIT.

I GUESS MY VOLUME MUST HAVE BEEN TURNED UP INADVERTENTLY, BUT I APOLOGIZE.

WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS WE WANT TO TAKE YOU DOWN MEMORY LANE HERE AS FAR AS THE SOLID WASTE IN THE COUNTY OF BROWARD.

WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ABOUT A SOLID WASTE SPECIAL DISTRICT.

THIS HAS COME ABOUT IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO DUE TO THE DETERMINATION BY A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES, BROWARD COUNTY, THAT WE NEED TO SOMEHOW GROUP TOGETHER AND WORK AS A TEAM TO TRY AND SOLVE OUR SOLID WASTE AND OUR RECYCLING PROBLEMS. THE PROCESSES STARTED AS A BETTER FORMATION COMMITTEE TO TRY AND LOOK AT HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY REPLACE THE OLD RRB, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.

TROY IS GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THE WHOLE PROCESS.

WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE TROY.

TROY IS OUR RESIDENT SOLID WASTE EXPERT.

HE WAS A TAC MEMBER FOR EIGHT YEARS UNDER THE RRB.

HE WAS VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR DURING THAT PERIOD.

HE IS NOW ON THE TAC COMMITTEE FOR THE SOLID WASTE WORKING GROUP THAT IS NOW WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

I'M GOING TO GIVE THE MIKE OVER TO TROY AND LET HIM EXPLAIN TO YOU BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO YOU TONIGHT. GO AHEAD, TROY.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO DO IS WE'LL GO THROUGH THE HISTORY HERE A LITTLE BIT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I RAISE AWARE OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GETTING TO.

THE RESOURCE RECOVERY BOARD OR RECOVERY SYSTEM, WAS STARTED BACK IN 1986, THE CITY OF TAMARAC WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES TO JOIN.

WE JOINED IN MARCH OF 1987.

FROM THEN ON, FROM 1987 UNTIL 2013, BROWARD COUNTY AND 26 MEMBER COMMUNITIES VIA THE RESOURCE RECOVERY BOARD PROVIDED COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE SERVICES WHICH ARE PAID VIA TIPPING FEES.

IN JULY 2ND, 2013, THE RRS DISSOLVED.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO NOW IS I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CRITICAL TIMELINE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US FROM TODAY AND INTO THE FUTURE.

WHEN THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM DISSOLVED IN JULY OF 2013, IT REALLY LEFT A BIT OF A VACUUM IN THE SOLID WASTE WORLD, CERTAINLY ON AT LEAST THE MUNICIPAL SIDE.

EVERY CITY INCLUDING TAMARAC, WERE SUDDENLY RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURING CONTRACTS FOR NOT ONLY COLLECTION, HAULING, AND DISPOSAL, BUT FOR THE PROCESSING OF SOLID WASTE, THE PROCESSING OF RECYCLING HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE AND ELECTRONICS.

BROWARD COUNTY DID STEP INTO THE MIX AND THEY DID SECURE BIDS FOR EACH OF THOSE SERVICES, BUT WE HAD AT LEAST THREE OTHER CITIES THAT DID THE SAME THING, AND SO WE REALLY LOST THAT COLLECTIVE POWER THAT WE HAD AS ONE COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM, EVEN WITH BROWARD COUNTY IN THERE BEING THE LEAD ON A COUPLE OF THOSE BIDS, IT REALLY DID SHACKLE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT PROCESS.

IN ADDITION TO THE DISRUPTION ON THE MUNICIPAL SIDE, WE ALSO SAW AT THE SAME TIME, A CONSOLIDATION WITHIN THE SOLID WASTE MARKETPLACE.

SPECIFICALLY, WE SAW WASTE-MANAGEMENT SECURED A NUMBER OF

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SMALLER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA: CHOICE ENVIRONMENTAL, SWS, SOUTHERN WASTE SYSTEMS, THOSE ARE TWO EXAMPLES AT THE SAME TIME, REPUBLIC ACQUIRED ALLIED WASTE, AND SO WE SAW A DISSOLUTION OF THE CITY'S POWER WITHIN THE SYSTEM, AND THEN WE SAW THE RELEVANT POWER THAT THE MARKETPLACE HAD ONLY INCREASED.

AT THE SAME TIME IN THIS DISSOLUTION, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT WE HAD SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONFLICTS AT THE END OF THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM, SPECIFICALLY, THERE WERE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT WERE LEFTOVER ALONG WITH SOME PROPERTY AND IN THE END, IT ULTIMATELY RESULTED IN A LAWSUIT.

THE LEAD CITY WAS THE CITY OF SUNRISE, TAMARAC AND MOST OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE SYSTEM JOINED IN ON THAT LAWSUIT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEFTOVER FUNDS WERE DISTRIBUTED APPROPRIATELY, AND THAT WE STILL HAD A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PROPERTY, WHETHER CERTAIN PROPERTY BE MAINTAINED FOR THAT SAID PURPOSE LIKE THE ALPHA 250 SITE, OR WHETHER IT'S LIQUIDATING THOSE ASSETS AND THEN AGAIN DISTRIBUTING THEM PROPERLY.

SUFFICE TO SAY THAT WHEN THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM DISSOLVED, IT WAS NOT THE MOST AMICABLE SPLINK.

NOW, THE BENEFITS OF THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM WHEN IT WAS IN FULL FORCE, IT WAS NEVER PERFECT, BUT IT WAS BY FAR BETTER THAN THE VACUUM THAT WAS LEFT.

PROBABLY THE KEY THING IS THAT COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT OF THE ACTUAL DISPOSAL OF THE SOLID WASTE AND THE RECYCLING PROCESSING.

WE ARE LUCKY IN BROWARD COUNTY TO HAVE A WASTE ENERGY PLANT THAT WAS BUILT.

WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT THAT WAS BUILT, AND FUNDED AND ALL THAT.

THERE WERE MAYBE NOT SOME, IN HINDSIGHT NOT THE BEST DECISIONS DONE BY THE BROWARD COUNTY AND THAT GROUP THAT PREDATED ALL OF US.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, IT WAS THERE AND IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT WAY OF DISPOSING OF OUR SOLID WASTE.

YOU CAN ARGUE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME BETTER ENVIRONMENTAL CHOICES, BUT IT'S STILL FAR BETTER THAN LAND-FILLING.

IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES RENEWABLE ENERGY.

IT PROVIDES BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WITH RECYCLING CREDITS, SO THERE WAS SOME VERY GOOD BENEFITS BY HAVING THE SYSTEM IN PLACE.

IT WAS IN SOME WAYS THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, THAT EVERY CITY WAS ALLOWED TO BE PRETTY INDEPENDENT IN HOW THEY DELIVERED THEIR SERVICES, BUT WE STILL HAD SOME CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD REGARDING IN PARTICULAR, WHAT MATERIALS ARE RECYCLABLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEN WE HAD VERY STEADY FEES ACROSS THE BOARD.

WE HAD ARTIFICIALLY HIGHER FEES AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WE HAD SOME FUNDS TO PAY OFF.

ONCE THOSE WENT AWAY, THE FEES ACTUALLY DROPPED BACK DOWN TO A FAIRLY REASONABLE AMOUNT, AT LEAST REASONABLE BY THE INDUSTRY AROUND US.

IN 2018, WE WERE STARTING TO BE THE REAL REALIZATION THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING AGAIN COLLECTIVELY.

A STUDY WAS INITIATED AND BROWARD COUNTY, AND I FORGET THE EXACT COUNT OF HOW MANY CITIES JOINED IN, BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE RESOURCE RECOVERY BOARD, MUNICIPALITIES PLUS A COUPLE MORE THAT JOINED IN, PARTICIPATED IN A STUDY BY THE ARCHYTAS GROUP TO LOOK AT THE REGIONAL SOLID WASTE SYSTEM AND WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO BOTH SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM.

BROWARD COUNTY STARTED THAT STUDY.

ALL OF THE CITIES THAT PARTICIPATED APPROVED IN MOU.

CITY OF TAMARAC APPROVED OURS IN 2019.

AS A RESULT, IT FORMED THE WORKING GROUP THAT JACK WAS TALKING ABOUT AND AS WELL AS THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP TO THAT WORKING GROUP OF WHICH I AM A MEMBER.

WE ALSO SAW IN THAT SAME TIME PARALLEL PROCESSES GOING ON WITH

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BROWARD LEAGUE OF CITIES WITH SOME ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT REALLY DID GET THE BALL ROLLING TO START LOOKING IN DEPTH AT WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING HERE.

HERE'S JUST A LITTLE OVERVIEW.

AGAIN, THIS IS BASICALLY LEADING TO TODAY, WHICH I HAVE MORE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY WHEN I GET TO THE END AT THIS LIST.

BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN 2019, A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENED.

WE HAD THE MOU, WE HAD THE ACTUAL WORKING GROUP GET STARTED, WE HAD THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION OF THE FINDINGS FROM THE ARCHYTAS GROUP AND THAT ALL LEAD UP TO, IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR WE HAD A SERIES OF PRESENTATIONS ON THE TYPES OF GOVERNANCE AND IN THE END IN MARCH OF 2021, THE WORKING GROUP VOTED TO RECOMMEND AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

THERE WAS A MEETING TODAY.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN LITTLE BIT WHEN I GET TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

THAT LIST BRINGS US TO YESTERDAY, AND I'LL SAY THAT.

RIGHT NOW HERE AGAIN, THESE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT ARE REALLY KEY ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BOTH FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND FOR BROWARD COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

THE CURRENT SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL AND RECYCLING PROCESSING ARGUMENTS THAT WE THE CITY OF TAMARAC USE AND I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, MOST OTHER BROWARD COUNTY CITIES, NOT ALL OF THEM USE THIS, BUT MOST OF THEM USE THESE AGREEMENTS WITH REAL GREATER FOR THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT AND WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR THE RECYCLING PROCESSING.

THOSE WERE APPROVED IN JULY 2013, AT THE END OF THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM.

THE FIRST OF THREE RENEWALS WERE APPROVED IN JULY OF 2018.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING THE SECOND OF THREE RENEWABLES WILL BE DUE IN 2023.

THIS ONE REQUIRES BINDING DECLARATIONS OF INTENT BY BOTH BROWARD COUNTY AND THE CITIES.

IT REQUIRES THE CITIES THAT SUBMIT THIS DECLARATION OF INTENT HAVE TO EQUAL 500,000 TONS OF SOLID WASTE EACH YEAR.

IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MOST OF THE CITIES TO PARTICIPATE.

LAST YEAR, THE PARTICIPATING CITIES GENERATED ROUGHLY 472,000 TONS OF SOLID WASTE.

WITH THE INCREASE, THE NORMAL INCREASE WITH SOLID WASTE WILL BE FINE, BUT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PARTICIPATION.

WE'RE AGAIN, HAVING A MORE COLLABORATIVE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH IS ONLY GOING TO HELP.

THEN THE FINAL RENEWAL WOULD BE IN 2028, WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR OFF, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE END OF THAT IN 2033, WE WOULD BE RIGHT BACK TO ZERO, SO TO SPEAK, IN THE SENSE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE PUTTING TOGETHER THOSE CONTRACTS.

AGAIN, LONG-TERM FOR DISPOSAL AND PROCESSING.

AS A REGION, WE'RE FACING A NUMBER OF DECISIONS THAT HAVE REALLY LONG-TERM IMPACTS.

ARGUABLY, THE ONLY REAL WAY TO DO THIS IS TO BE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY ACROSS THE COUNTY.

THIS IS HARD TO SEE.

THIS IS SHOWED UP IN A NUMBER OF REPORTS, SO I'M JUST GOING TO TALK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT.

ALL THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC TO SHOW YOU WHAT THEY ARE ARCHYTAS GROUP LOOKED AT AND THE SCOPE OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FACING THIS WORKING GROUP.

THEY LOOKED AT THREE BASIC SCENARIOS.

THE FIRST SCENARIO IS A MORE PROGRESSIVE APPROACH OF INCLUDING A MIXED WASTE PROCESSING FACILITY, WHICH BASICALLY THAT MEANS ALL THE SOLID WASTE GOES THERE AND THEY ACTUALLY MECHANICALLY AND MANUALLY START PULLING OUT RECOVERABLE MATERIALS FROM THERE ALONG WITH ORGANICS PROCESSING.

THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLY A FAIRLY EXPENSIVE APPROACH.

IT DOES EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE CURRENT WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT A LITTLE BIT, WOULD EXTEND THAT TO 2060.

SCENARIO B IS BASICALLY REMOVING THE ORGANICS PROCESSING FROM THERE AND THEN ALL NON-RECYCLABLE MATERIAL GOES TO THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT.

THERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT NEEDING TO BE REPLACED, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE 2040 RANGE.

THEN THE C SCENARIO IS BASICALLY AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.

THAT WOULD BE TRADITIONAL SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL THROUGH

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THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT AND A SEPARATE RECYCLING PROCESS SAYING AND SO IN THAT CASE, WE'D BE LOOKING AT A MORE IMMEDIATE REPLACEMENT OR EXPANSION OF THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT.

THEN WE WERE PROVIDED WITH BASICALLY THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

THESE ARE THE ONLY THREE OPTIONS THAT EXIST.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF VARIETIES WITHIN THOSE, AND CERTAINLY SOME ROOMS FOR SOME HYBRIDS.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, A DEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT WHERE THE COUNTY OR A PARTICULAR CITY WOULD BE THE LEAD AGENCY ON THAT OR AN INDEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LEGISLATIVE ACT FOR THE FORMATION OF THAT.

JUST TO GIVE SOME POINT OF REFERENCE, THE OLD RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM WAS BASED ON AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.

I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT JUST HIGH LEVEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE, A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROS AND CONS AMONGST THEM.

THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM WORKED AS AND I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DRAWBACK IN THIS FROM MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT IT DOES NOT COMPEL PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME WAYS TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE, BUT THEY'RE GENERALLY IS NOT ANY LEGAL MEANS TO FORCE COMMUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE.

IN THE END, THAT WAS EFFECTIVELY WHAT CAUSED THE DOWNFALL OF THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM.

I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME LAST MINUTE MANEUVERS BY BROWARD COUNTY WHICH DID NOT HELP.

BUT IN THE END, WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH CITIES VOTE TO SUPPORT THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM AND THUS IT DIED.

AGAIN, THAT WAS AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, THAT WAS THE MECHANISM FOR THAT.

IT ALSO LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT CAN BE RAISED.

THERE ARE SOME MEANS TO BE A LITTLE CREATIVE IN THERE, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, BY ANYTIME THAT WE USE A PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT TO PAY FOR THIS, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE THE CAP OF WHATEVER THE LEAD AGENCY IS.

YOU WANT TO ASSUME THAT THAT WAS THAT THAT WOULD BE BROWARD COUNTY, THAT WOULD COUNT AGAINST THEIR 10 MIL CAP.

THERE IS ISSUE THERE OF WHATEVER LEAD AGENCY YOU HAVE IS GOING TO BE MAYBE NOT AS WILLING TO TAKE ON THAT BURDEN OF BEING THE LEAD IN LEVYING TAXES.

DEPENDENT SOLID DISTRICT.

THAT AGAIN, EFFECTIVELY IS JUST IDENTIFYING A LEAD AGENCY.

I WOULD SAY WHEN IT DOES EXIST, IT TENDS TO BE THE COUNTY.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A REASONABLE APPROACH IN A MORE RURAL AREA WHERE YOU'VE GOT WHERE THE COUNTY PROVIDES THE BULK OF THE SERVICES.

THEN YOU HAVE SMALLER CITIES THAT REALLY DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES ON THEIR OWN THE WAY IT IS, SO IN THAT CASE, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THAT.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THE DRAWBACK IN A SETTING LIKE BROWARD COUNTY IS HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT THE LEVEL OF CONTROL THAT THAT LEAD AGENCY HAS, WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY OR WHETHER IT'S A LARGE CITY, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A REALLY DISTINCT ISSUE THERE WITH WHO OUTWARDLY CONTROLS BOTH THE PURSE STRINGS, POLICIES AND PROGRAMS. INDEPENDENT SILENT DISTRICT.

AGAIN, THIS ISN'T WHAT WAS INITIALLY SUPPORTED, BOTH FROM THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP AND THE WORKING GROUP IS THE BENEFITS ARE THAT THIS IS THE MOST INDEPENDENT, ALTHOUGH REQUIRES LEGISLATIVE INPUT AT THE BEGINNING OR IT REQUIRES LEGISLATIVE ACTION, THERE'S NO HISTORY WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA OF THE LEGISLATURE HAVING REALLY ANY UNDUE INFLUENCE IN THAT PROCESS.

IT WOULD BE UP TO US, THE COMMUNITIES TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE.

THEN THE LEGISLATURE EITHER PASSES IT OR DOESN'T.

IT GIVES THE MOST FLEXIBILITY IN RAISING FUNDS IN THE FACT THAT THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT CAN ISSUE BONDS, THEY CAN ACTUALLY LEVY ACTUAL TAXES WITHOUT AFFECTING LOCAL MILIT RATES.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY COMPEL THE PARTICIPATION OF ALL THE CITIES.

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YOU CAN SET IT UP SO THAT EVERY CITY HAS TO PARTICIPATE IN IT.

THERE'S SOME REALLY STRONG BENEFITS AND FLOW CONTROL AND TIPPING FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THROUGH THIS SYSTEM.

IT IS THE PROCESS THAT WILL TAKE THE LONGEST TO SET UP AND THAT'S PRIMARILY A FUNCTION OF JUST FITTING INTO THE LEGISLATIVE CALENDAR.

IT'S NOT THAT IT'S SO ONEROUS THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TWO OR THREE YEARS TO DO THE PROCESS.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE TWO OR THREE YEARS IN ORDER TO SYNC UP WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH WHEN THE STATE LEGISLATURE CAN ACTUALLY ACT ON IT.

THEN HERE ARE TO ME SOME VERY KEY CONSIDERATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PASS ONTO YOU GUYS FOR CONSIDERATION.

FIRST OF ALL, NUMBER 1, IS THAT A UNIFIED, COLLABORATIVE, COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE PROGRAM FOR BROWARD COUNTY IS ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE.

IF WE HAVE TO GET BACK THERE, I THINK FISCAL INDEPENDENCE FOR BROWARD COUNTY IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AGAIN, HISTORICALLY, WE SAW SOME ISSUES WITH BROWARD COUNTY AT THE END OF THE DEAL THAT WE THE CITIES FELT IT REQUIRED A LAWSUIT IN ORDER TO GET THAT RESOLVED IN A MUTUALLY SATISFACTORY SITUATION.

CITIES NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE GOVERNANCE AND THE POLICY DECISIONS, BOTH ON THE FRONT END AND THROUGHOUT THE OPERATION OF THAT, AND SO WE THE CITIES NEED TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF INVOLVEMENT AND POWER WITHIN THAT SYSTEM.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A FINANCING MECHANISM THAT'S GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT IN ORDER TO HANDLE SOME OF THESE LONG TERM COMMITMENTS AND INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE MAKING.

WE NEED TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF INSULATION FROM LOCAL POLITICAL INTERESTS, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY HERE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PLAN PAST TWO, AND FOUR, AND SIX YEARS, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH INDEPENDENCE FROM LOCAL POLITICAL INTERESTS AT BOTH THE CITY AND COUNTY LEVELS, SO WE CAN LOOK BEYOND TERM LIMITS.

WE CAN LOOK BEYOND THE HORIZON RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS THAT ARE 20, 30, 40, 50 YEARS IN THE FUTURE THAT WILL BE THE BEST POSSIBLE DECISION FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

THE ALL IN MENTALITY, IN MY OPINION, HAS TO BE THERE AGAIN.

WE NEED TO, WHETHER IT'S BY COMPULSION OR WHETHER IT'S BY SETTING UP A SYSTEM THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN, ITS JUST WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYBODY ON BOARD.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT FUTURE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AGAIN, THE FINANCIAL TOOLS ARE THE BEST FOR US AND NOT NECESSARILY HINDERED BY MILLAGE CAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AT THE FRONT END THAT THE CITIES IN CONTACT WITH THE BROWARD COUNTY ARE 100 PERCENT OKAY WITH HOW THE BOARD IS STRUCTURED, WHO'S INVOLVED, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD ALONG WITH, I WOULD ARGUABLY SAY THAT WHATEVER THE PROFESSIONAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE AND AS WELL, ONE OTHER THING IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP IS ADEQUATELY INVOLVED IN THIS.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE BEING SIDELINED A LITTLE BIT.

FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A MEETING TODAY.

AGAIN, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND HERE.

THERE'S INFORMATION GOING UP, IT IS NOT BEING DISTRIBUTED TO THE ADVISORY GROUP.

THE ADVISORY GROUP HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED SINCE EFFECTIVELY LAST APRIL WHEN WE PRESENTED THE DIFFERENT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURES AND IN THAT SUPPORTED THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

WITH THAT, I'LL SEGUE INTO WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.

THERE WAS A WORKING GROUP MEETING THIS MORNING AT 10:00 AM.

IN THAT I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT THE WORKING GROUP TOOK A HARD CHURN AND IN THE END THEY VOTED TODAY TO SUPPORT AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, WHICH AGAIN IS THE OLD SYSTEM THAT WE HAD WHEN IT FELL APART.

IN THE STATEMENTS TODAY, THEY'RE WANTING TO USE EFFECTIVELY WHAT WAS PLANNED AT THE TIME THAT WE COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT.

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THEY WANT TO USE THAT AS THE FOUNDATION.

PERSONALLY, I FEEL THERE ARE SOME FLAWED DECISION BEING MADE THERE.

AGAIN, I FEEL AS THOUGH THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP IS NOT BEING CONSULTED.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE INCLUDE THEM IN THIS PROCESS.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT, WHEN THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP SUPPORTED THAT, I STILL SUPPORT THAT TODAY.

WITH THAT, WE WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU GUYS.

EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A DECISION TODAY THAT SEEMS TO STEER US TOWARDS AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, I'M GOING TO ARGUE THAT MAKING OUR VOICE KNOWN TODAY AS THE CITY IS, I WOULD SAY, MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT WAS NECESSARILY YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS PUTTING THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER.

THAT RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO SPEAK LOUD ABOUT WHAT OUR PREFERENCES ARE AS A CITY.

WE NEED BOTH BROWARD COUNTY TO HEAR THAT, AND WE NEED THE OTHER CITIES TO HEAR THAT.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY COME OUT AND SUPPORTED THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

THERE ARE OTHERS THAT I BELIEVE SUPPORT IT BUT MAY NOT NECESSARILY FEEL THEY'VE GOT A VOICE.

LET'S SHARE OUR VOICE.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS THERE'S A GREAT NEED AND OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH COLLABORATIVE AND COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING SYSTEM.

THE CITY OF TAMARAC SHOULD NOT ONLY SUPPORT THE FORMATION OF INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT BUT SHOULD STRIVE TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN ITS DEVELOPMENT.

BASED ON STAFF'S KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION PROVIDED, IT IS OUR BELIEF THAT AN INDEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF TAMARAC, ITS RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS BROWARD COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

THEREFORE, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COMMISSION VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THE CREATION OF AN INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT.

I WOULD ADD THAT THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, TROY.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DID ON CREATING THIS PRESENTATION.

I THINK THAT WHAT TROY IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO GO BACK AND REPEAT HISTORY, WHICH THE HISTORY DIDN'T GO WELL AND SO WE'RE VERY PRO AGAINST THAT.

WE THINK THAT THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT IS THE WAY TO GO.

TROY WAS BEING KIND, I THINK HE WAS STRONGLY DISAPPOINTED TODAY WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT DOING BASICALLY, A STUDY OF THE WHOLE FLOW OF TRASH AND SOLID WASTE IN THE COUNTY.

THAT THEY HAD COME UP WITH A SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS STUDY, AND THEY WERE NOT GOING TO RUN IT THROUGH THE TAC COMMITTEE FIRST BEFORE THEY FINALIZED IT.

IN OUR HUMBLE OPINION, THE TAC COMMITTEE, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE.

THESE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY KNOW THE SOLID WASTE BUSINESS AND REALLY KNOW THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO.

THEY ARE THE MOST QUALIFIED TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SCOPE SHOULD BE AND WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT SCOPE.

WE'RE REALLY DISAPPOINTED, LIKE TROY SAID, I THINK WE SHOULD SEND A STRONG SIGNAL SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ON BOARD WITH WHAT THEY DECIDED TODAY.

I THINK A FEW PLAYERS IN THAT FORMATION COMMITTEE ARE TAKING CONTROL AND TRYING TO STRONG ARM THE SITUATION.

I THINK THAT WE SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR AN INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REAL SHOUT OUT FOR INDEPENDENCE AND FOR A SYSTEM THAT WOULD WORK THE BEST FOR THE RESIDENCES OF BROWARD COUNTY.

THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY COME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY'RE FOR AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

WE'RE NOW OUT HERE ON AN ISLAND ALL BY OURSELVES.

I THINK THE MORE CITIES THAT ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT, WHICH A LOT OF CITIES HAVE NOT.

THE FORMATION COMMITTEE HAS JUST TALKED TO SOME CITIES AND STUFF BUT NOT HAD ANY FORMAL DECISIONS BY THOSE CITIES AND ARE SPEAKING FOR THEM.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK FOR OURSELVES, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE ORDER WOULD BE COMMISSIONER GALEN, VICE MAYOR, VOLO LOBOS, COMMISSIONER BOLTON, COMMISSIONER PLACKO, THEN MYSELF.

WE ARE STICKING TO FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE GOING ONE ROUND AND KEEPING IT TO THE POINT OF THE ISSUE, IF NOT, I WILL INTERRUPT.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND THE EFFORT THAT WAS PUT IN BY OUR STAFF.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW MANY OF THE 31 CITIES IN BROWARD COUNTY HAVE AGREED TO BE PART OF THIS OR SUPPORT THIS INDEPENDENT DISTRICT?

>> SO FAR THERE'S LIKE FOUR, BUT THAT A LOT OF CITIES HAVE NOT ACTUALLY TAKEN IT TO THEIR COMMISSION AND HAD THEM VOTE AND SUPPORT.

THE IDEA WAS AND I THINK IT WAS LIKE A MONTH AGO OR SO AS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT ALL THE FORMATION CITIES OR THE PEOPLE INVOLVED WERE SUPPOSED TO GO BACK TO THEIR CITIES AND DECIDE ON WHAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT AND COME BACK WITH SOME CONSENSUS OR SURVEY OF SUPPORT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF THE PROCESSES THAT WERE PRESENTED AND COME OUT WITH A MAJORITY VOTE OR WHATEVER, AND THAT REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED.

WE'RE JUST LANDING OUR EXPERIENCE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

THE ILA IS WHAT THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO AND THAT'S WHAT FAILED MISERABLY.

FOR SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE COMMISSION BACK WHEN IT FAILED MISERABLY, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR US HAVE TO SUE BROWARD COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL MUNICIPALITIES GOT THEIR FAIR SHARE OF MONEY THAT WAS GARNERED FROM OUR SOLID WASTE.

>> I UNDERSTAND. ANOTHER QUESTION, JACK.

>> IN ORDER TO GET IT FAIRLY DISTRIBUTED, WE HAD TO SUE BROWARD COUNTY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. [LAUGHTER]

>> CAN YOU HEAR ME JACK?

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY.

WHO WOULD CONTROL THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT?

>> THAT WOULD BE IN THE FORMATION, COMMISSIONER, AND IT WOULD BE A BOARD.

IT WOULD BE A SELECTED BOARD OF MEMBERS.

THEY'D PROBABLY TAKE FROM MULTIPLE CITIES.

EVERY CITY WOULDN'T HAVE A MEMBER ON THERE BECAUSE IT'D BE TOO CUMBERSOME.

THEY COULD NEVER COME TO AN AGREEMENT, I THINK SO.

THEY'D HAVE TO PICK MAYBE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM A LARGE CITY, TWO FROM A MEDIUM CITY, AND ONE FROM A SMALLER CITY, AND ONE FROM THE COUNTY.

OBVIOUSLY, THE COUNTY HAS TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, BUT WE FEEL QUITE STRONGLY THAT HISTORY HAS PROVEN THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM CONTROLLING THE SYSTEM.

WE WANT THE GROUP TO CONTROL THE SYSTEM.

>> WOULD THE POWER REMAIN IN BROWARD WITH THE INDEPENDENT CITIES OR WOULD IT COME FROM TALLAHASSEE IN THE LEGISLATURE?

>> NO, IT WOULD COME FROM THE CITIES.

THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO DO IS WHATEVER WE CREATE, IT'S AN ABNORMAL SITUATION, AND SO YOU HAVE TO GET IT APPROVED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THE DUTIES OF SOLID WASTE CONTROL IS DELEGATED TO THE COUNTIES AUTOMATICALLY BY STATE STATUTE.

IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU JUST HAVE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT, AND AS LONG AS ALL THE CITIES THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN BROWARD ARE FOR IT, IT WOULD BE APPROVED.

IT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER AREAS.

WEST PALM BEACH HAS A HYBRID INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE AROUND THE STATE, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE REINVENTING THE WHEEL HERE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN PLACE, BUT LIKE TROY SAYS, THERE IS A PROCEDURE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND TIMING.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, UNFORTUNATELY.

>> WHAT IS THE PLAN TO GET THE 20, OR 15, OR 25 OF THE 31 CITIES TO AGREE TO THIS? IS THERE A PLAN IN PLACE? IS THERE A RECRUITING GOING ON?

>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION AFTER TODAY'S MEETING.

I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND SAY, "WHAT JUST HAPPENED?" I THINK THAT BY US STATING THAT WE SUPPORT AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT, WE'RE NOT DRAWING THE LINE IN THE SAND.

ALL WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE STATING THE FORMULA THAT WE FEEL IS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE TAMARAC.

WE MAY END UP GOING TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE

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SURE THAT WHOEVER IS TRYING TO CONTROL THIS PROCESS AND PUSH IT IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE ARE INDEPENDENT MUNICIPALITIES OUT THERE THAT THINK THAT MAYBE THAT ISN'T THE SOLUTION THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING RIGHT NOW ISN'T THE WAY.

EVENTUALLY, IF THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME TOGETHER, THEN WE MAY PARTICIPATE.

BY YOU TAKING A VOTE AND SUPPORTING AN INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT TONIGHT, YOU'RE NOT PRECLUDING YOURSELF FROM DOING ANYTHING.

ALL YOU'RE DOING IS STATING THAT WE IN TAMARAC FEEL THE BEST SOLUTION BASED ON HISTORY, OUR PAST HISTORY, AND THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US THAT WE FEEL AN INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT IS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR TAMARAC.

>> OKAY. WELL, GIVEN THAT THERE WAS A MEETING TODAY IN THE COUNTY OR YOU SAID THERE WAS A DISCUSSION TODAY AT THE COUNTY OR A DECISION MADE AT THE COUNTY?

>> YES. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT WAS THE WORKING GROUP THAT MET.

>> TODAY?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THEY THAT THE LEADER OF THE CONVERSATION WAS DEFINITELY THE COUNTY BEING REFERRED AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNTY ON THE WORKING GROUP.

THE CONVERSATION WAS BASICALLY LED BY HIM AND THE MAYOR OF SUNRISE WERE THE TWO THAT WERE REALLY LEADING THIS.

THIS MARCH, THEY HAD ODDLY THIS SOMEWHAT SEEMINGLY SPUR OF THE MOMENT WE'VE DECIDED THAT THIS IS THE BEST FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

THEY HAVE A SHOW ILA PUT TOGETHER.

THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION.

THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING A ROADSHOW.

I'M A LITTLE LEERY OF THE PROCESS THAT'S GOING ON.

EVEN IF THE PAST TAKES US TO AN ILA, I REALLY FIRMLY TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF TAMARAC AND OTHER CITIES NEED TO VOICE THAT HOW THE SYSTEM WAS BEFORE WAS NOT GOOD.

IT EVOLVED OVER THE TIME, AND THE CITIES WERE ABLE TO GARNER A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE POWER, AND INFLUENCE, BUT IT WASN'T GOOD.

BROWARD COUNTY NOT ONLY WERE THEY, IN FACT, A LEADER OF THE DISTRICT IN THE PAST, THE RESOURCE RECOVERY SYSTEM, BUT THEY PROVIDED ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND ALL OF THE OPERATIONAL SUPPORT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS OF IT, SO THEY HAD CONTROL OVER THE POLICIES AND THE PROGRAMS. THE REST OF US WERE ALONG FOR THE RIDE, AND IF THE COUNTY DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO STOP A PARTICULAR SERVICE, THEN THEY STOPPED THAT PARTICULAR SERVICE.

IF THEY WANTED TO CURTAIL IT, THEY CURTAILED IT.

THEY HAD ONE APPROACH THAT BUGGED ME TO THE WIND.

THEY HAD A REALLY GREAT EDUCATION SYSTEM WHERE THEY WENT INTO SCHOOLS, THEY DID PRESENTATIONS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THEY WOULD ONLY GO INTO A SCHOOL THAT WAS PHYSICALLY IN A MEMBER COMMUNITY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHOSE STUDENTS WERE GOING THERE, BUT I THOUGHT I ARGUED AGAINST THAT EVERY TIME THAT CAME UP.

BUT THAT'S THE WAY THAT BROWARD COUNTY DID IT IS THAT THEY WOULD ONLY GO INTO A CITY THAT WAS PHYSICALLY INSIDE OF A MEMBER COMMUNITY.

IF THERE WERE STUDENTS FROM A MEMBER COMMUNITY THAT WENT TO THAT PARTICULAR SCHOOL, SORRY.

IF IT WAS A PRIVATE SCHOOL, SORRY.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT BROWARD COUNTY DID IN THE WAY THAT THEY'VE MANAGED AND SUPPORTED THE SYSTEM THAT I DO FEEL STRONGLY THAT THEY NEED TO PICK ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.

IF THEY WANT TO BE THE LEADER OF THE DISTRICT AND PROVIDE THAT POLICY GUIDANCE, FINE, BUT THEN YOU NEED TO BACK AWAY FROM THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF IT.

THEY JUST HAD WAY TOO MUCH CONTROL AND INFLUENCE BOTH FORMALLY AND INFORMALLY IN MY OPINION.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU OKAY? COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> TROY, I'LL ASK YOU THE QUESTION BECAUSE JACK IS GOING TO TALK FOREVER.

[LAUGHTER]

>> NO GUARANTEES.

>> DID YOU MENTION THE LEAGUE OF CITIES OPPOSITION ON THIS OR NO?

>> I DIDN'T MENTION IT BUT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES HAD VOTED TO SUPPORT AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT AS WELL.

THEY WERE ACTUALLY FAIRLY EARLY IN THE SYSTEM.

I DID NOT ATTEND MANY OF THOSE MEETINGS, BUT I KEPT MY FINGER ON THE PULSE THERE,

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AND THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WAS DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

I CAN'T SAY FOR A FACT THAT THEY DID A FORMAL PROCLAMATION.

I BELIEVE THEY DID, BUT THEY DEFINITELY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

THEY ARE STILL THE ONES WHO MANAGE THE MEETINGS LIKE THE WORKING GROUP MEETINGS, BUT IN THESE MEETINGS, THEY DO NOT ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE.

THEY ARE SIMPLY A FACILITATOR.

SO THE SEPARATE LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETINGS THEMSELVES IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS, AND THERE MAYBE SOMEBODY ON THE DAIS AND WHO CAN SPEAK TO WHAT FORMALLY HAPPENED IN THOSE MEETINGS.

>> OKAY. WHO ARE THE FOUR CITIES THAT SUPPORTED THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT?

>> COCONUT CREEK, OAKLAND PARK, HOLLYWOOD, AND WHO WAS THE FORTH? I AM TRYING TO THINK.

>> MAYBE COOPER CITY.

>> NO, IT WASN'T COOPER CITY FOR SURE.

>> WHAT'S COOPER CITY'S POSITION?

>> THE MAYOR FROM COOPER CITY IS WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE BEAM STAR ON THE ILA.

I THINK HE'S LEANING TOWARDS THE ILA.

I'M NOT SURE WHY.

I'VE NEVER REALLY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HIM FACE TO FACE ON IT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY HE WAS IN.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> I DO REMEMBER THIS FROM WAY BACK, [INAUDIBLE].

[LAUGHTER] I REMEMBER THAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WORK BECAUSE IT COLLAPSED.

I ALSO REMEMBER AND I'M NOT SURE THE NUMBER, BUT THERE WERE FOUR OR FIVE CITIES WHO WERE NOT A PART OF THIS.

WITH THIS INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT, WOULD IT BE MANDATORY THAT ALL CITIES ARE INVOLVED AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

>> IT CAN BE STRUCTURED THAT WAY.

THAT'S NORMALLY THE CASE.

WHEN IT'S DONE THROUGH LEGISLATION, THAT NORMALLY IS DONE IN A WAY THAT IT'S COMPULSORY FOR CITIES TO PARTICIPATE AND IT'S DONE EFFECTIVELY BY EDICT THAT YOU SAY IT AND IT DOES SO.

THAT'S THE ELEGANT BEAUTY OF THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT IS THAT IT DOES BRING EVERYBODY THROUGH A LITTLE I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO SAY BY FORCE.

NOW, TO BE FAIR, YOU ARE RIGHT THAT WE HAD FIVE CITIES THAT DID NOT PARTICIPATE.

THAT NUMBER ACTUALLY UPPED AS WE WENT THROUGH.

WE HAD CITIES JOIN AS LATE AS, WANT TO SAY, IT WAS LIKE 2010 BEFORE THIS ENDED AND SO THE NUMBER OF CITIES THAT DIDN'T PARTICIPATE AGAIN, IT'S POMPANO BEACH AND DANIA BEACH WERE THE TWO LARGEST CITIES THAT DIDN'T PARTICIPATE.

DANIA BEACH WAS INCHING TOWARDS THE LINE AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN THIS PROCESS GOING FORWARD.

THEY WERE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THE VERY FIRST MEETINGS AS THIS STUFF WAS BEING FORMED.

>> WHAT ARE THEY PROPONENTS OF, WHICH PLAN?

>> I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE WHAT DANIA BEACH WOULD BE THE FAVOR OF.

IF YOU ASK ME TO GUESS, I WOULD GUESS THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT AND I'M GOING TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT JUST FROM THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE SYSTEM BEFORE AND I THINK SOME CITIES WERE MAYBE A LITTLE LEERY OF COUNTY CONTROL.

IT WAS AS THE CITIES WERE STARTING TO SCRAPE AWAY SOME OF THAT POWER THAT WE HAD CITIES START TO JOIN US.

THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE WEST PARK JOINED US, THAT'S WHEN WE HAD DANIA BEACH AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WAS TOEING THE LINE.

BACK THEN IT JUST DIDN'T SURVIVE FOR THEM TO JOIN US.

I THINK WITH THAT INCREASED, AT LEAST, THAT TASTE OF ADDITIONAL POWER FROM THE CITIES, I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO RECAPTURE THAT AND EXPAND ON THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM GETTING THE CITIES TO JOIN, AND IN THE END IT WAS A COUPLE OF SMALLER CITIES, THE LAZY LAKE WAS ONE, FOR EXAMPLE.

>> THAT I REMEMBER. [LAUGHTER].

>> YEAH, WE COULD NEVER GET THEM TO SIGN UP, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HOLD UP THE PROCESS.

[LAUGHTER].

>> ALL 500 OF THEM.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR ME BUT WHAT'S

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BEEN [INAUDIBLE] LOGIC BEHIND INTERLOCAL VERSUS INDEPENDENT?

>> I CAN TELL YOU HIS STATE OF LOGIC IS THERE'S TWO THINGS IN PARTICULAR.

ONE IS THE TIMEFRAME AND HE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THAT, IN THAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WOULD LIKELY BE THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET A GROUP TOGETHER.

AGAIN, TO EXPAND ON THAT.

PART OF THAT IS, I THINK POOR REASONING BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT USING THE OLD SYSTEM AS THE FOUNDATION, WHICH IS JUST, I THINK THAT'S THE WRONG PLACE TO START AT.

THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WAS STATED BOTH BY HIM AND BY THE BROWARD COUNTY ATTORNEYS, JIM COLE, WAS THE ISSUE OF DUAL OFFICE HOLDING THAT EXISTS, BUT IT ONLY EXISTS IF YOU ALLOW IT TO EXIST.

THAT NOTION OF HAVING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL HOLDING ANOTHER OFFICE THAT EFFECTIVELY IS A [INAUDIBLE] POSITION AND HAS THAT OVERLAPPING POWER.

IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT, THEN YOU STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY THAT THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

I THINK ARGUABLY WE NEED TO HAVE MORE INDEPENDENT LEADERSHIP IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION ANYWAY.

THE COMMUNITIES THEMSELVES THROUGH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, WOULD STILL HAVE THE INPUT THAT THEY NEED, IT WOULD NECESSARILY BE MADE UP OF A BOARD OF [INAUDIBLE].

>> OKAY. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH GOING AHEAD WITH THE INDEPENDENT SOLID WASTE DISTRICT.

AS YOU SAID, WE ARE NOT TIED TO THAT IF FOR SOME REASON IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, BUT I FIRMLY BELIEVE WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. BEFORE I SPEAK ON, I'M GOING TO TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER. CITY MANAGER.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST QUICKLY, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK TROY GIES NOT JUST FOR HIS HARD WORK ON THIS.

[LAUGHTER]. HE'S BEEN OUR GARBAGE GUY AS LONG AS HE'S WORKED FOR THE CITY AND HE'S PARTICIPATED IN THE RRB, IN THE TAC COMMITTEE.

HE'S PARTICIPATED CONTINUALLY THROUGH TONIGHT.

WE ARE REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE SUCH A RESOURCE IN TROY, NUMBER 1.

NUMBER 2, WE NEED A REGIONAL SOLUTION TO SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL.

WE DO NOT HAVE ORIGINAL SOLUTION TO SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL TODAY AND WE SHOULD, AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FOR MANY REASONS.

FIRST OF ALL, CITIES NEED MORE CONTROL IN THIS PROCESS THAN WE HAVE NOW.

SECONDLY, WE ARE NOT AS WELL-SERVED TODAY AS WE SHOULD BE.

WE ARE TOO BEHOLDEN TO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

WHILE WE STILL GET TO CHOOSE WHO COLLECTS OUR TRASH, LARGELY NO ONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISPOSE ANYWHERE BUT THE WASTE-MANAGEMENT.

WHEN THE RRB WENT AWAY AND THE GARBAGE WAR STARTED, COMPANIES WERE CREATED TO COLLECT AND DISPOSE TRASH IN OTHER PLACES LARGELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF MAKING A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED THOSE COMPANIES, WHICH VERY QUICKLY IN MANY CASES WENT AWAY, AND THE SERVICE WAS NOT WHAT WAS PROMISED TO THE CITIES THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT.

THEN FINALLY, PALM BEACH COUNTY TO OUR NORTH IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW ORIGINAL SOLID WASTE SYSTEM SHOULD WORK AND WHY WE CAN'T SIMPLY EMULATE THAT, I DO NOT KNOW.

I UNDERSTAND THE BROWARD LEAGUE OF CITIES UMBRELLA, INCLUDING BROWARD COUNTY BEING WARY OF GOING TO TALLAHASSEE, WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO GET THIS DONE.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE OUR ORIGINAL SOLID WASTE GOALS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE OUR REGIONAL RECYCLING GOALS, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE OUR REGIONAL RESILIENCY GOALS.

WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANY OF THAT WITHOUT A DIFFERENT WAY OF COLLECTING AND DISPOSING OF SOLID WASTE, AND WHETHER THAT IS THROUGH AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT OR AN ILA, WHAT MATTERS MOST IS THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO PARTICIPATE.

ALL 31 CITIES IN THIS COUNTY NEED TO PARTICIPATE WHICHEVER WAY THIS GOES.

BUT WE ALL HAVE TO BE UNITED.

WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE. WHY THE RRB ULTIMATELY WASN'T AS SUCCESSFUL AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEYOND A POORLY NEGOTIATED DEAL FROM THE BEGINNING WAS THE FACT THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ALL 31 CITIES PARTICIPATING IN THAT SYSTEM.

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HAD WE HAD ALL 31 CITIES PARTICIPATING AND HAD CITIES HAD THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF CONTROL, WE MAY STILL HAVE AN RRB TODAY AND WE MAY BE IN A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE WITH SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL THAN WE ARE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE, I'LL SAY, OF GOING TO MANY OF THESE MEETINGS OVER THE YEARS, AND I AM THE CITIES REPRESENTATIVE ON THE SMALLER WORKING GROUP, AND THEN ACTUALLY I WAS ASKED TO BE ON THE SMALLER, SMALLER WORKING GROUP.

I GAVE UP MY POSITION ON A SMALLER WORKING GROUP TO ALLOW A NEW COMMISSIONER TO LEARN AND GROW ON THIS, AND I DID SO CONFIDENTLY BECAUSE I KNEW THAT TROY GIES, WHO I DO APOLOGIZE FOR MUTILATING YOUR NAME THE FIRST TIME, I SHOULD KNOW BETTER AFTER ALL THESE YEARS BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WERE ON THE TAC AND THAT I KNEW THAT YOU WOULD BE DOING THE HARD WORK ON IT AND BE ABLE TO GUIDE EVERYONE AND HAVE THE INPUT THAT OUR CITY NEEDS ON THAT BOARD.

I STILL GO TO THOSE SMALL OR BIGGER MEETINGS.

BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO IT.

BEING ON THIS BOARD, IT HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING TO WATCH THE PROCESS GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT IS THE BEST INTEREST FOR OUR CITIES AND OUR COUNTY.

STARTING WAY BACK WHEN THERE WAS PROBLEMS WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

THERE IS A PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS AFFECTING THE WHOLE ENTIRE COUNTY AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT AND BUY-IN, NOT NECESSARILY ONLY FINANCIAL, BUT GAME PLAN AND ACTION IN ORDER TO WORK TOGETHER ON A REGIONAL APPROACH.

THEY SAY, YOU ARE DESTINED TO REPEAT IF YOU FAIL TO LEARN FROM HISTORY.

I KNOW IT'S USUALLY SAID IN A MUCH BETTER WAY THAN I'VE JUST SAID IT.

BUT YOU'RE DOOMED TO REPEAT AND FAIL IF YOU DON'T LEARN FROM THE PAST, AND I THINK THAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FAILED FOR MANY REASONS.

ONE HAS DEFINITELY BEEN DUE TO POLITICS.

I THINK THE HARD WORK THAT WAS PUT BY THE GROUP ORIGINALLY BECAUSE I WAS AT THAT MEETING WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BROWARD LEAGUE OF CITIES AND IT WAS SAYING, WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH AN INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

TO HAVE IT ALL OF A SUDDEN FLOP ON ITS EAR, TO NOW BEING WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THAT, AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE FEARS OF COUNTY POLITICS VERSUS STATE POLITICS IS REARING ITSELF.

YES, THERE IS A FEAR THAT WE ARE BROWARD COUNTY AND THAT THE STATE WILL NOT DO A GOOD JOB OR DO RIGHT BY A BROWARD COUNTY INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY FAIR TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.

I THINK THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT ASSUMPTION BEING MADE OF US THAT WE WOULDN'T BE DOING SOMETHING FAIR BY THIS INDEPENDENT DISTRICT AGREEMENT THAT COULD BE WRITTEN VERY WELL, THAT CONTINUES TO PROVIDE US CONTROL, ACCOUNTABILITY, WHICH IS I THINK SOMETHING THAT WAS ALSO LACKING, AND UNIFICATION WHERE ALL 31 CITIES IN THE COUNTY ARE TOGETHER.

I WOULD SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICT.

IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING NEW, PLEASE PROCEED.

LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES PLEASE.

>> I LIKE TO GET BOTH SIDES OF A STORY BEFORE MAKING A DECISION.

I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT REPRESENT TAMARAC; COMMISSIONER HENRICH, COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] , VICE MAYOR MICHAEL UDINE.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE ITEM TO THE VERY NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.

THERE WE HAVE SOME TIME TO TALK TO DIFFERENT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, TALK TO SOME OF THE COUNTY STAFF, UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT AND THEN BE PREPARED TO MAKE A DECISION.

>> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION ON THIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND PLEASE.

CITY ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOES BACK TO JACK INTO TROY.

THIS ISN'T BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSION, IT'S THE WORKING GROUP ON THIS.

I THINK THE INFORMATION YOU SEEK IS NOT FROM OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME, BUT ACTUALLY FROM THAT WORKING GROUP.

I THROW IT UP IN THE AIR TO SEE WHOEVER WANTS TO TRY TO HELP ME WITH THIS.

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>> YEAH, MADAM MAYOR, I THINK TO COMMISSIONER GELIN'S POINT, WE HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE GROUP TO COME BOTH THE [INAUDIBLE] FROM THE CITY OF COOPER CITY AND COUNTY COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FROM THE CITY OF HOLLYWOOD.

THEY CANCELED THEIR APPEARANCE BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY WERE NOT PREPARED BECAUSE I THINK THAT AT THAT POINT THE GROUP WAS IN FLUX OR FLUID IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS BEING REPRESENTED.

THE LEAGUE HAD GONE IN ONE DIRECTION AND I THINK THAT THE GROUP WAS LOOKING TO GO IN ANOTHER DIRECTION.

IF IT WOULD SATISFY EVERYONE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO GET THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU DIRECTLY.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO ASK IF YOU WERE, COMMISSIONER, GOING TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO TABLE TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PARTY HERE BEFORE US TO GIVE THE OTHER PART OF THE INFORMATION PLEASE.

>> I DON'T MIND HEARING FROM THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, BUT I ALSO WANT TO GET THE OPINION OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT REPRESENT THE CITY OF TAMARAC BEFORE I VOTE ON THIS. [OVERLAPPING].

>> RIGHT.

>> WE HEARD ONE SIDE AND NOT ON HERE THE OTHER SIDE FROM THE COUNTY.

>> BUT I THINK MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S NOT THE COUNTY THAT'S GIVING YOU THAT OTHER OPINION, IT IS COLLECTIVELY THIS ORGANIZATION THAT IS SET UP OF EACH CITY AND A COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE [BACKGROUND] THAT IS PROVIDING THE INFORMATION THAT COMES BACK TO US AND TO THE COUNTY TO MAKE THIS DECISION.

>> OKAY. [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE COUNTY IS SITTING IN THE SAME POSITION AS WE ARE FOR THAT.

>> RIGHT. SO THEN I THINK THESE THREE PARTIES, THERE'S THE CITY OF TAMARAC, THERE'S THIS INDEPENDENT DISTRICT, AND THERE'S A COUNTY.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES.

>> TO UNDERSTAND YOU BETTER BECAUSE OF THE THREE OPTIONS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. [OVERLAPPING] OKAY.

>> I WANT TO GET THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE FROM THE THREE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT REPRESENT THE CITY OF TAMARAC.

>> UNDERSTOOD, BUT I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AS THAT IS NOT THE ACTUAL ITEM BEING PRESENTED BY THE ACTUAL GROUP.

>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE SAYING LET'S NOT JOIN THAT INTO LOCAL AGREEMENT THROUGH BROWARD COUNTY, LET'S DO OUR OWN THING.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM BROWARD COUNTY, WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THIS INTO LOCAL AGREEMENT AND WHY SHOULD WE NOT GO WITH INDEPENDENT DISTRICT?

>> IF WE CAN, LET'S HEAR FROM THE GROUP FIRST BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS SITTING IN THE SAME POSITION WE ARE GETTING INFORMATION.

[OVERLAPPING] LET'S DO THAT PART FIRST AND THEN IT GOES TO THE COUNTY.

>> I'M NOT PRECLUDED FROM MAKING PHONE CALLS AND CALLING. [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO, I THINK FOR THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL GET THE [OVERLAPPING] PRESENTATION FIRST BY THE GROUP, THEN YOU WILL FROM OUR THREE COMMISSIONERS.

>> IF I HEAR BOTH SIDES, I'LL BE PREPARED TO VOTE.

I'M HERE ONCE I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE COUNTY'S POSITION AS WELL.

>> JUST SEGUE IN ADDING THE GROUP THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING THE LEG WORK FOR IT [OVERLAPPING].

>> YEAH. THAT'S FINE. I DON'T WANT TO HEARING FROM THEM AS WELL.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR TABLE UNTIL WE'D BE AT PRESENTATION.

>> I'M JUST CONFUSED. I JUST NEEDED A BIT MORE INFORMATION AND I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GELIN AND BOLTON TO TABLE THIS.

IF I CAN BE PRESENTED WITH MORE INFORMATION I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE ARE IN A TIME FRAME, ARE WE, CITY MANAGER?

>> ACTUALLY, THERE IS SOME PART OF A TIME FRAME BUT JUST PROCEDURALLY, THERE'S NO USUAL DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON IT BUT I THINK THAT'S THE POINT, IS TO GET MORE INFORMATION.

THAT'S THE MOTION TO TABLE.

>> YES. THROUGH THE CHAIR FOR JACK WITH TROY, IS THERE A DEADLINE? IS THERE A TIMELINE WHERE THIS HAS TO BE VOTED ON, THAT YOU WANT SUPPORT? IS THERE A NEXT STEP WHERE YOU WANT THIS RESOLUTION PRIOR TO A CERTAIN DATE?

>> LET ME RESPOND TO THAT.

AT TODAY'S MEETING, THEY ANNOUNCED IT HASN'T BEEN PUBLISHED YET, BUT THEY ANNOUNCED THE DATE THAT THE NEXT MEETING FROM THE WORKING GROUP IS JUNE 23RD, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY.

THEY ALREADY TALKED ABOUT GOING AROUND CITY TO CITY TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.

I STILL FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO MAKE A PROCLAMATION, EMPHASIZING THE INDEPENDENT PART OF IT, THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT AHEAD OF THAT AND STATE OUR CLAIM THAT WE WANT WHATEVER AT THE END IS CREATED.

[02:10:04]

WE WANT IT TO BE INDEPENDENT, WE WANT CITIES LIKE TAMARAC TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

WE WANT TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS IN CREATING.

I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A DEADLINE BY WHICH WE NEED TO DO THIS, BUT MY FEAR IS THAT THE LONGER WE AND OTHER CITIES SIT BACK AND DON'T NECESSARILY MAKE THAT CLAIM, EVEN GENERALLY WE WANT INDEPENDENCE IN THIS DISTRICT, THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO GROW AND A VOID.

IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO STEER TOWARDS A SYSTEM THAT WAS FAULTY AT ITS CORE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT JUST DANCING FITNESS ANSWER OR IF THERE'S SOME OTHER INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO HELP?

>> ACTUALLY, AT THIS TIME WE DO HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE ON THE FLOOR.

TECHNICALLY WE DON'T HAVE CONVERSATION AFTER THE MOTION TO TABLE.

IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE THE MOTION ON THE TABLE TO FINISH THIS DISCUSSION WE CAN DO THAT, IF NOT, WE NEED TO CALL THE VOTE ON THE MOTION TO TABLE, PLEASE.

SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE WILL CALL THE VOTE ON THE MOTION TO TABLE.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.

>> SECOND TO THE RUNWAY AMENDMENT.

>> YES.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> YES.

>> [OVERLAPPING] VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> YES.

>> MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, FIVE TO ZERO.

>> THANK YOU. NOW, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 9:13.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A RESTROOM OR WHATEVER BREAK UNTIL 9:30.

SEE YOU BACK HERE AT 9:30.

GENTLEMEN, IT IS 9:30, WE ARE BACK FROM OUR RECESS.

CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE NOW LIVE, WE CAN SEE WHO IS HERE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL.

AS SUCH, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 5B TR 13 530,

[5.b. TR13530 - Purchase of Replacement and New Equipment for Water System Construction and Repair]

PURCHASE OF REPLACEMENT AND NEW EQUIPMENT FOR WATER SYSTEM CONSTRUCTION AND REPAIR.

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES. MADAM MAYOR. A RESOLUTION TO CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA, APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF A REPLACEMENT HYDRO EXCAVATOR AND NEW MINI EXCAVATOR FOR WATER DISTRIBUTION CONSTRUCTION, UTILIZING COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT METHODS [BACKGROUND] AND CURRENT AGREEMENTS AVAILABLE FOR CO-OPERATIVE PURCHASES AT THE TIME OF PURCHASES, INCLUDING AGREEMENTS WERE ORDERED BY THE FLORIDA SHERRIFF'S ASSOCIATION.

CONTRACT FSH20-EQU 18.0, SPECIFICATIONS NUMBER 94 AND SOURCE WELL, CONTRACT NUMBER 1220017 AMI VAC, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $431,138.75 AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE AND THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $431,138.75 FROM THE APPROPRIATE ACCOUNTS CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU. AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, I FINALLY FOUND THE LIGHT ON THE DATA SO I CAN SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE'S SOME LIGHTS.

AT THIS TIME OF MASS FOR A MOTION IN A SECOND PLEASE.

>> [OVERLAPPING] SECOND.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JACK STRAIN IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING THAT THERE'S NO DISCUSSION BY THIS COMMISSION, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, FIVE TO ZERO.

>> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW, AT 5CTR 13581,

[5.c. TR 13581 Establish policy to include eligible employees with registered domestic partnerships in the 2022 Insurance Plan]

ESTABLISHED POLICY TO INCLUDE ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES WITH REGISTERED DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS IN THE 2022 INSURANCE PLAN.

THE ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES MADAM MAYOR. THE RESOLUTION THE CITY COMMISSION TO SEE WHICH TAMARAC FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING A POLICY TO RECOGNIZE AND INCLUDE ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES WITH REGISTERED DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS IN THE 2020 TO INSURANCE PLAN AND PROVIDED THE CITY MAYOR WITH THE AUTHORITY TO DO ALL THINGS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE POLICY, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND?

>> I MOVED.

>> [OVERLAPPING] SECOND.

>> WE HAD A PRESENTATION EARLIER TODAY AT A WORKSHOP.

HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR LORENZO CALHOUN IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

CITY CLERK, I DO SEE OPEN FOR COMMENTS.

[02:15:03]

WERE WE DOING PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I MISS THEM IN THE LAST SEGMENT? [OVERLAPPING] I APOLOGIZE, EVEN THOUGH WE READY TO VOTE, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC YOU WANTED TO HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING REGARDING 5B? SEEING NONE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW CLOSED.

SO SORRY. I'LL NOW OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS MATTER? [NOISE] SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENTS WE'RE NOW CLOSED DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION. VICE MAYOR?

>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR LORENZO.

[NOISE] CONSIDERING THAT THE CITY WILL ABSORB THE ENTIRE COST, IN MY OPINION, I WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME THAT ALL 205 EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE A PARTNER AND PERHAPS 10 PERCENT WOULD NEVER, LETS JUST SAY.

THOSE EMPLOYEES WANTING TO GET INTO IT, DO THEY HAVE OTHER MEANS TO GET HEALTH COVERAGE WITHOUT US HAVING TO TAKE ON THAT EXPENSE, CONSIDERING IT'S QUITE SIGNIFICANT? > ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE DEPENDENCE, OR THE PARTNERS, OR THEIR EMPLOYEES?

>> YES.

>> YEAH, THEY ALWAYS HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.

IF THEY'RE EMPLOYED, THEY COULD OBVIOUSLY ACCESS INSURANCE THROUGH THEIR OWN EMPLOYER.

THERE IS OBAMACARE, WHICH IS OPEN TO EVERYONE AND IT'S INCOME-BASED.

THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OBVIOUSLY. YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GELIN? [NOISE]

>> DID YOU PROPERLY EXPLAIN TO THE COMMISSION WHAT IT REALLY MEANS TO BE A SELF-INSURED ENTITY?

>> I DID NOT GO INTO DETAIL LAST YEAR WHEN WE BROUGHT THE INSURERS KNOW FOR WHAT I DID.

WHAT I DID SHARE WITH THE COMMISSIONER EARLIER AND I MAY HAVE GLOSSED OVER IT, IS THAT WE'RE SELF-ASSURED AND WE ABSORB OR TAKE ON COST OF ANY CLAIMS, PRESCRIPTION UNTIL WE REACH A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

THEN OUR STOP-LOSS INSURANCE, WHICH WE ALSO PAY FOR IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR INSURANCE RENEWAL, IT WILL KICK IN AND TAKE OVER THE CLAIM.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE REACH, AND THIS IS JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, A CLAIM FOR $250,000 AND THAT IS WHERE OUR STOP-LOSS KICKS IN, WE WOULD PAY UP UNTIL A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THEN A STOP-LOSS WOULD TAKE ON CLAIMS BEYOND THAT POINT.

>> OKAY.

>> AS YOU KNOW, I'M IN THIS BUSINESS.

>> I DO [LAUGHTER].

>> THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT COST TO ALLOWING DOMESTIC PARTNERS ON THE INSURANCE PROGRAM, AS THE DIRECTOR OF HR STATED, PRIOR TO THE ALLOWANCE OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THE DOMESTIC PARTNER OPTION WAS ARGUED SUCCESSFULLY.

IF THERE WAS A SAME-SEX COUPLE, THEIR ARGUMENT WAS, WE'RE A COUPLE, WE'RE NOT OFFICIALLY MARRIED BECAUSE THE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW US TO GET MARRIED, SO YOU SHOULD ALLOW US TO GET BENEFITS AS A SAME-SEX PARTNERSHIP.

AS HR DIRECTOR STATED, BROWARD COUNTY, LED THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN DOING THAT.

WHAT ALSO HAPPENED WAS, DIFFERENT SEX RELATIONSHIPS ALSO ARGUE THAT THEY SHOULD GET DOMESTIC PARTNER BENEFITS AND SOME AGENCIES, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DID ALLOW THAT, BUT ONCE THE LAW CHANGED AND SAID, SAME-SEX CAN NOW MARRY, YOU CAN NOW OBTAIN INSURANCE THROUGH GETTING MARRIED JUST LIKE A DIFFERENT SEX COUPLE.

THIS BENEFIT, PROBABLY LIKELY IS NO LONGER NEEDED, I DO HAVE SOME CLIENTS THAT STILL HAVE DOMESTIC PARTNER BENEFITS.

I HAVE OTHER CLIENTS THAT CONSIDERED ADDING THIS ON AND THEN CHANGE THEIR MIND ONCE THEY GOT LEGAL OPINION THAT IS NO LONGER NEEDED OR NECESSARY.

WE ALL HAVE OUR INSURANCE CARD AND IT SAYS CIGNA ON IT, BUT CIGNA IS ACTING AS A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR.

THE INSURANCE COMPANY IS REALLY OR THE CLAIMS PAYER IS THE CITY OF TAMARAC, THEY PAY THE CLAIMS, THERE'S SOMEONE DESIGNATED AS THE HEALTH PRIVACY OFFICER AND THEY CAN SEE ALL OF OUR PERSONAL HEALTH INFORMATION BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THEY'RE ACTING AS THE INSURANCE COMPANY UP UNTIL WE SPENT A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT.

[02:20:05]

THAT'S WHEN, IF A CLAIM IS 300,000, TAMARAC PAYS 250 AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY, THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR PAYS THE REMAINING 50,000.

REALLY THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING IS OUR MONEY.

IT'S CONFLICTING FOR ME TO VOTE ON THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DO WANT BENEFITS THAT ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP, WHETHER SAME SEX OR OPPOSITE SEX, BUT THERE IS A COST FACTOR.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE BY THE COMMISSION.

>> THANK YOU. [NOISE] VICE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO GO FOR A SECOND? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING, COMMISSIONER BROUGHT TO MY MIND.

THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO GET MARRIED FROM A PARTNERSHIP INTO A MARRIAGE, SHOULD ANYONE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF A MARRIAGE, REGARDLESS OF PREFERENCE, SHOULD TAKE THAT LEAP TO A GOOD COMMITMENT VERSUS JUST A PARTNERSHIP.

BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO A PROBLEM WHERE, LET'S JUST MOVE IN TOGETHER AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THE CITY THAT THEY MIGHT WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I THINK YOU GUYS SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

I THINK THAT PARTNERSHIP, THEY JUST NEED TO GET MARRIED.

WHATEVER THAT PARTNERSHIP IS.

[NOISE] I THINK NOT HAVING THAT PARTNERSHIP IS, I'M DONE.

>> OKAY, I THINK WE UNDERSTOOD YOU, IT'S ALL GOOD. COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> THANK YOU. THOSE ARE FIGHTING WORDS [LAUGHTER] LOOK, I UNDERSTAND THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE THAN THEY ARE I GET IT.

HOWEVER, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR NOT WANTING TO BE MARRIED, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSTILL THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE MARRIED JUST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE.

I THINK WE NEED TO EXTEND THIS TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP.

WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE THAT PIECE OF PAPER WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT IT IS.

I STILL THINK IF THEY ARE IN A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP, WE HONOR THAT AS SUCH [NOISE].

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GELIN, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKE, SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THE TURN.

CITY ATTORNEY, I BROUGHT THIS UP DURING OUR WORKSHOP AND FOR JUST REPEATING IT IS, I'M IN A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP, HAVE BEEN IN FOR 18 YEARS.

YES, WE PUT A RING ON IT, NO, WE'VE NEVER SAID I DO.

I'M NOT ASKING FOR THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION.

EVEN THOUGH I HAPPENED TO BE ONE WHO WOULD POSSIBLY ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM IT, SO TO SPEAK.

I MADE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION ABOUT EARLIER.

THE THING WHEN YOU ENTER INTO A MARRIAGE IS THE BELIEF OF COMMITMENT, A LONG-TERM SERVING.

THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT IF SOMEBODY WHO JUST GETS MARRIED, THERE'S STILL A 30-DAY WAITING PERIOD BEFORE THEY CAN OPT FOR INSURANCE.

MY CONCERN IS MORE ON THE END OF INSURANCE.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY THIS PROPERLY, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.

TO FILE THAT PIECE OF PAPER, TO CLAIM THAT YOUR DOMESTIC PARTNER, AND THEN GETTING THE INSURANCE AND THEN BACK OUT OF THAT DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP.

DIVORCE IS MESSY, IT HAPPENS.

ARE THERE ANY BOUNDARIES OR ARE THERE ANY RULES AND REGULATIONS TO SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE TOGETHER A CERTAIN TIME, AND I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I JUST WANT IT OUT THERE.

I'M GOING TO REPHRASE IT, THERE'S NO RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WOULD GO TO SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST DOING THIS JUST TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE?

>> WELL, AS STAFF EXPLAINED, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STEPS THAT HAVE TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE YOU EVEN QUALIFY FOR HAVING THE INSURANCE.

YOU HAVE TO FILE THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP FORM,

[02:25:06]

AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT AS IT WAS EXPLAINED, IS THAT UNDER THE POLICY, THEN YOU HAVE A WINDOW, A TIME PERIOD DOES HAVE TO PASS BEFORE YOU CAN THEN QUALIFY FOR ADDING THAT INDIVIDUAL AND ANY OTHER DEPENDENCE BECAUSE THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT OF THE POLICY.

IF I'M MISSPEAKING, I AM SURE THAT STAFF WILL CORRECT ME IN THAT REGARD.

BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STEPS THAT HAVE TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE SOMEONE WOULD QUALIFY FOR INCLUSION IN THE POLICY OR UNDER THE POLICY.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I MAY.

>> PLEASE [INAUDIBLE]

>> [NOISE] EXCUSE ME. THE REQUISITE STEPS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THE PARTIES LIVE TOGETHER.

JUST AS THE PARTIES SHARE COMMON, THAT THEY WOULD SHARE THE EXPENSES OF ONE ANOTHER, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXPENSES, BUT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE TWO PARTIES LIVE TOGETHER.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS WOULD BE UNDER HEALTH INSURANCE, A LIFE ALTERING OR QUALIFYING EVENT WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO QUALIFY FOR INSURANCE IF IT IS OFFERED UNDER A HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN.

THE ANALOGY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS TOMORROW YOU WAKE UP AND I'M SORRY TO USE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE.

>> THAT'S OKAY, GO FOR IT.

>> YOU TIE A KNOT DOWNTOWN, YOU COME INTO MY OFFICE FRIDAY MORNING, HERE'S OUR CERTIFICATE.

I KNOW THEY DON'T MOVE THEIR QUICK, BUT HERE'S OUR MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE, I WANT TO HAVE MY SPOUSE, SO BE IT.

SAME SITUATION WOULD APPLY IN A DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP.

THEY GO DOWNTOWN OR TO THE COUNTY RESIDENTS, THEY MAKE THE COMMITMENT, THEY COME IN, PROVIDE THEIR PAPERWORK, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HONOR THAT.

>> HONOR IT BUT IF I READ OUR PAPERWORK CORRECTLY, IT'S 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY COULD-

>> THE 30 DAY WINDOW IS YOU COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN ANOTHER DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP PRIOR TO ENTERING INTO THE CONTRACT YEAR TO BE BOUND BY THAT DAY.

IF TWO WEEKS AGO YOU WERE IN A DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP, AND YOU DECIDE YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS NOT WORKING OUT, I'LL JUST GO SEVER MY TIES WITH THIS PERSON, AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER YOU DECIDE I WANT TO BE WITH THE NEXT PERSON, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BROWARD COUNTY ACT.

>> I APPRECIATE. I ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO PUT THIS FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION FOR A BIT, AND THE COMMENT WAS THAT THREE EMPLOYEES HAD COME TO YOU FOR NOW.

MY BATTLE GOES TO THE EXPENSE THAT YOU SHOWED US AT THIS TIME OF WHAT IT WILL BE FOR THE CITY.

I DO RESPECT THAT EVERYBODY CAN LIVE HOWEVER THEY WANT TO LIVE, OBVIOUSLY [LAUGHTER], BUT I ALSO HAVE TO WEIGH THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AS WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

I LOVE OUR EMPLOYEES AND RESPECT HOWEVER THEY WANT TO LIVE AS WELL.

THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE AT THIS TIME FOR INSURANCE.

I KNOW INSURANCE IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND DIFFICULT, SO I AM HAVING TROUBLE WITH THIS ONE, TO BE QUITE HONEST.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP AS THE WAY WE HAVE IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN EASY PIECE OF PAPER THAT CAN BE UTILIZED VERSUS I DON'T KNOW.

LIKE I SAID, I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH THIS ONE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO PROCESS THIS AND I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER GELIN WANTS TO SPEAK AGAIN FOR HIS SECOND ROUND, SO I'M GOING TO PASS IT.

YOU CANCEL? OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER GELIN HAS CANCELED. VICE MAYOR.

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE EXCEPTION FOR THOSE THREE EMPLOYEES THAT ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP AND THAT CAN PROVE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE A CITIZENSHIP.

YOU GET MARRIED TO A US CITIZEN, THEY'RE GOING TO CHECK YOUR BACKGROUND, THEY'RE GOING TO CHECK YEARS OF THE RELATIONSHIP, AND IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE A OKAY YEAH, YOU WANT TO GET MARRIED AND GET CITIZENSHIP? THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO MANY ASPECTS OF YOUR LIFE, BOTH LIVES AND EVEN TAKE IT FURTHER INTO THEIR FRIENDS, FRIENDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS LEGITIMATE.

ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE IN A PARTNERSHIP,

[02:30:03]

RELATIONSHIP THAT CAN PROVE THAT TO THE CITY? I MEAN, OTHERWISE ABSORBING THE COST IS JUST A-

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT MIGHT RUN A FOUL OF [OVERLAPPING].

>> IS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME?

>> YEAH. IS THAT A QUESTION? [OVERLAPPING]

>> I CAN ANSWER THAT NOW.

WE CANNOT MAKE AN EXCEPTION.

WE HAVE TIERS THAT WE OFFER FOR EXAMPLE AN EMPLOYEE PLUS SPOUSE, EMPLOYEE PLUS FAMILY, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD THIS PARTICULAR TIERS, WE NEGOTIATE THE INSURANCE RENEWAL FOR 2022.

WE COULD NOT MAKE AN EXCEPTION UNDER AN EMPLOYEE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WELCOME.

>> VICE MAYOR SEEMS TO BE DONE. COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> THANKS. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID.

IN MY MIND, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE TREATED THE SAME.

YOU SAID, THEY COULD COME IN AND SAY THEY'RE DOMESTIC PARTNERS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE TOGETHER.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS.

I COULD COME IN AND SAY, I HAVE A DOMESTIC PARTNER BUT HE'S LIVING IN TENNESSEE?

>> TRUE. AS I SHARE WITH YOU EARLIER IN THE WORKSHOP, ONE OF THE REQUISITE REQUIREMENTS DOES NOT ENCOMPASS THE COUPLE LIVING TOGETHER.

WHAT IT ENCOMPASSES IS THAT THEY'RE 18 YEARS OF AGE, COMPETENT TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT, THEY ARE UNMARRIED AND NOT IN ANOTHER DOMESTIC PARTNER RELATIONSHIP, THEY ARE NOT RELATED, THAT THEY CONSENT OF THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITHOUT UNDUE INFLUENCE, AND THEY SHARED JOINT RESPONSIBILITY FOR EACH OTHER'S FOOD AND SHELTER.

NOW JUST TO SHARE THE JOINT RESPONSIBILITY, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT AS I READ INTO THE BROWARD COUNTY, OR A ACT THAT THEY "LIVE TOGETHER".

THIS THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR FOOD AND SHELTER.

IF THEY'VE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT I'LL HELP YOU WITH YOUR RENT, OR HELP YOU WITH YOUR EXPENSES, AND IN TURN WE HAVE A LIVING ARRANGEMENT, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE US BEING UNDER THE SAME HOUSEHOLD, THERE'S NOTHING UNDER THE BROWARD COUNTY ACT THAT FORBIDS THAT.

>> THEN HOW IS THAT A DOMESTIC RELATIONSHIP THEN?

>> I DIDN'T DEFINE [NOISE].

>> MAY I ANSWER THAT?

>> PLEASE.

>> IT'S JUST LIKE A MARRIED COUPLE, AND I CAN HAVE A JOB IN DC AND MY WIFE CAN HAVE A JOB DOWN HERE, WE'RE STILL MARRIED.

MAYBE I FLY DOWN TWO WEEKENDS A MONTH, BUT WE'RE STILL MARRIED.

MAYBE NOT LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD.

PEOPLE CAN BE MARRIED AND HAVE A SEPARATION, A YEAR LONG, TWO YEAR LONG SEPARATION THEY'RE STILL MARRIED, AND THEY STILL ARE COVERED UNDER THE BENEFITS.

>> OKAY.

>> YOU ARE DONE? [NOISE]. COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

NO ACTUALLY WAIT A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER GELIN, YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF YOU, BUT YOUR LIGHT WAS ON.

DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK BECAUSE THEN YOU TURNED IT OFF.

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> YOU'RE DONE?

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> MY TWO SENSE ON THIS IS THAT, THERE'S NOT A COST TO SOMEBODY'S LIFE.

TELL THAT TO AN EMPLOYEE WHO MAY BE SICK AND BEING DENIED HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS, JUST BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT IT WILL CAUSE THE CITY JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.

I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS, AND IRRESPECTIVE OF LIVING TOGETHER OR IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO WE ARE, WE SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY, AND THAT'S A HUMAN RIGHT.

I THINK THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC TO STAND OUT, AND TREAT ALL HUMAN BEINGS FAIRLY AND EQUALLY.

I'D BE DISAPPOINTED IF WE DO NOT TAKE THAT STEP THIS EVENING.

THOSE ARE MY TWO SENSE, WE ARE ALL TO BE TREATED FAIRLY AND EQUALLY. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU.

[02:35:03]

I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE ONE COMMENT THAT WE NEED TO BE MAKING OUR DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT FOR OUR CITY AND THIS IS PARTICULARLY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.

I THINK IT'S NOT A DECISION THAT'S MADE ON GUILT.

WITH THAT, IF THERE IS NO OTHER COMMENTS, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> I DID NOT HEAR ON COMMISSIONER PLACKO AS WELL.

>> YES.

>> TURN THE MIC ON.

>> YES.

>> IT WASN'T ON.

>> YES. [OVERLAPPING]

>> IT'S ON. [NOISE] YES.

>> SORRY. MY ANSWER IS YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> NO.

>> THE MOTION PASSES THREE TO TWO.

>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE NOW GOING TO 5DT0-1-3-6-0-9,

[5.d. TR13609 City's commitment to building a Safe City]

CITIES COMMITMENT TO BUILDING A SAFE CITY.

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSIONER OF CITY TAMARAC, FLORIDA, AFFIRMING THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO BUILDING A DIVERSE AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY WHICH IS A WELCOMING AND SAFE CITY, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, WRITING FOR SEVERAL BUILDING, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER BOLTON IS THE SPONSOR OF THIS ITEM, AND WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS AS NECESSARY.

SORRY, THERE WAS A WORD THERE THAT CONFUSE ME.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NON PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

>> LADY CHAIR, IF I MAY.

>> SORRY. [LAUGHTER] WHERE IS THE VOICE COMING FROM?

>> I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, THIS ITEM WAS SPONSORED BY COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

IF I COULD SHARE A FEW WORDS IN REFERENCE TO THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION WITH THE COMMISSION AND THE RESIDENTS. IT'LL BE GREAT.

>> PLEASE, THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, TEMPORARY RESOLUTION 1-3-6-0-9 IS KNOWN AS THE SAFE CITY RESOLUTION AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WAS REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

THE RESOLUTION AFFIRMS THE CITY OF TAMARAC COMMITMENT TO DIVERSITY THE INCLUSION, ALONG WITH, AS HE SPOKE ABOUT HUMANITY AND THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT.

THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS RESOLUTION AS A BROADER EXPANSION OF THE WORK THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS DONE TO FOSTER DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE ONE TAMARAC FESTIVAL, THE CREATION OF A DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION ADVISORY BOARD, CREATION OF THE RUTH BADER GINSBURG COMMISSION ON THE STATUS OF WOMEN AND THE ADOPTION OF A DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION STATEMENT IN THE CITY STRATEGIC PLAN.

THROUGHOUT VARIOUS MONTHS OF THE YEAR, WE CELEBRATE PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT FAITHS, BELIEFS, CULTURES, GENDER, RACES, AND ETHNICITIES FROM BLACK HISTORY MONTH TO WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, WE CELEBRATE DIVERSITY AT THE MONTH OF APRIL, MUSLIM AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH, AUTISM AWARENESS MONTH, ASIAN PACIFIC AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH, AND JEWISH AMERICAN MONTH, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

THIS MONTH WE'RE THE MIDST OF CELEBRATING CARIBBEAN HERITAGE MONTH AND PRIDE MONTH.

IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE WILL CELEBRATE HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, NATIONAL DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT AWARENESS MONTH, AND NATIONAL NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH.

TO THAT END, THE CITY OF TAMARAC RECOGNIZES THAT DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH, AND WE WILL GROW AS A CITY BY FOSTERING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS WELCOMING AND INCLUSIVE OF ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF OUR DIFFERENCES.

THIS RESOLUTION PROMOTES INCLUSION IN ALL ASPECTS OF GOVERNMENT AND ENCOURAGES LOCAL BUSINESSES AND VENDORS TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO FORCE AN ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS WELCOMING OF ALL REGARDLESS OF OUR DIFFERENCES.

PLEASE CONSIDER AND SUPPORT RESOLUTION 1-3-6-0-9.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VICE MAYOR.

>> IS CAPTAIN [INAUDIBLE] ON THE PHONE?

>> YES, CAPTAIN [INAUDIBLE] IS IN THE SKY SOMEWHERE.

>> YES [INAUDIBLE].

>> I'M READING THIS AND ASSESS COMMUNITY IN WHICH WAS WELCOMING AND SAFE CITY.

DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR CITY THAT NOT BEING SAFE?

>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

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>> HAS THE CRIME RATE INCREASED?

>> CRIME RATES DOWN LAST MONTH UP TO 34 PERCENT.

>> I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CREATING A COMMUNITY WHICH IS A WELCOMING AND SAFE CITY.

AS THE CAPTAIN SAID, WE LIVE IN A SAFE CITY, CRIME RATE IS DOWN.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.

IF SOMEBODY COULD PLEASE CLARIFY THAT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> YOU'RE SAYING.

>> I'M SORRY. [OVERLAPPING]

>> YOU SAID THANK YOU AND THEN YOU'RE COMING TO ME.

>> NO, I CAME TO YOU TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION BECAUSE YOU'RE THE SPONSOR OF THIS ITEM. THAT'S WHY I CAME TO.

BUT IF YOU'RE NOT THERE TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION, THEN I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE DIRECTOR [OVERLAPPING]

>> OKAY, SO TO THEN ANSWER THE VICE MAYORS' QUESTION.

WE'RE NOT CREATING A SAFE CITY.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN HEAR, AND WE ALL HEARD THE HR DIRECTOR SAY THAT WE ARE ONLY AFFIRMING THE FACT THAT TAMARAC IS A SAFE CITY.

THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN OPINE THAT A RESOLUTION SIMPLY IS AN EXPRESSION OF OUR OPINION.

WHEN YOU PASS A RESOLUTION, YOU'RE TELLING THE RESIDENCE THAT TAMARAC CONTINUES TO BE A SAFE CITY.

WE'RE NOT CREATING SOMETHING, WE'RE NOT REINVENTING SOMETHING.

WE ARE AFFIRMING OUR POSITION THAT WE ARE A SAFE CITY.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR?

>> YES. WOULD THIS BE A PARTISAN CONCERN OR THIS IS A NONPARTISAN ISSUE HERE?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT CITIES BEING SAFE IS A PARTISAN OR NONPARTISAN ISSUE.

LET ME BE VERY CLEAR.

THIS IS NOT SAYING THAT OUR CITY IS A SANCTUARY CITY AND EVEN IF IT WERE YOU BEING FROM NICARAGUA, SHOULD.

>> PLEASE DON'T PERSONALIZE.

>> I'M NOT PERSONALIZING.

THE VICE MAYOR ASKED A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A PARTISAN OR NONPARTISAN ISSUE.

I'M ANSWERING IT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

>> SAYING THAT HE'S FROM BEING FROM NICARAGUA [OVERLAPPING].

>> ME BEING FROM JAMAICA WOULD MEAN, THAT I WOULD LOVE THAT OUR CITY IS A CITY THAT IS WELCOMING IN THAT SENSE.

COMMISSIONER GELIN. [OVERLAPPING] COMMISSIONER GELIN FROM [INAUDIBLE] , I'M SPEAKING THAT IS SIMPLE MANNERS THAT YOU LEARNED AS A CHILD.

>> COMMISSIONER.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN. HE DID NOT SAY POINT OF ORDER. [OVERLAPPING].

>> POINT OF ORDER

>> IT IS DISRESPECTFUL.

>> I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT WHEN YOU EXPRESS YOURSELF THAT IF YOU CAN CLARIFY SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT IF I NEED TO VOTE ON THIS IN YOUR FAVOR, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M VOTING FOR.

>> I'M CLARIFYING IT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE JOBS.

WELL, IF YOU'D ALLOW ME TO SPEAK, MR. VICE MAYOR, I WOULD DO THAT.

>> GENTLEMEN PLEASE, MAKE ALL ITEMS JUST FACTUAL.

WE DO NOT NEED TO TALK ABOUT EACH OTHER.

WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHERE EACH OTHER FROM.

YOU COULD TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE FROM, THAT'S FINE.

I'M SURE EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET THE POINT.

PLEASE PROCEED IN ANSWERING THE VICE MAYORS' QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN OR NONPARTISAN ISSUE BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FEDERAL LAW, IMMIGRATION, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE REST OF THE RESOLUTION, AS IN THE BACKUP, CLEARLY TALKS ABOUT NONPARTISAN ISSUES.

I THINK WE ALL READ IT.

>> THE YES-NO ANSWER HAS BEEN ANSWERED AS IT IS NOT, THE PRESENTER IS SAYING THERE'S NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE ON THIS MATTER. NEXT QUESTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR? THANK YOU. THEN I ACTUALLY HAD COMMISSIONER BOLTON NEXT AND COMMISSIONER GELIN WAS AFTER.

[OVERLAPPING] ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS NEXT.

>> I THOUGHT HE WAS SPEAKING.

>> HE WAS ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BUT HE ALSO HAD HIS LIGHT ON, SO IF YOU HAVE NOTHING, ARE YOU DONE?

>> I'LL JUST ADD THAT, FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY THAT I GOT HERE, I'VE BEEN CHAMPIONING ISSUES OF DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION AND EQUALITY.

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WHEN I ASKED FOR THE CITY TO SUPPORT INCLUSION JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE IN 2017, PARKS AND RECREATION CAME UP WITH A FABULOUS IDEA UNDER OUR DIRECTION THAT WAS ONE TAMARAC.

AGAIN, WHEN COMMISSIONER GELIN JOINED OUR BOARD, WE TALKED ABOUT INCLUSION JUST ONCE MORE, AND WE CAME UP WITH THE INCLUSION BOARD.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY, AGAIN, WE CAME UP WITH THE RUTH BADER GINSBURG BOARD.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING OUR VERY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WE ARE A SAFE AND INCLUSIVE CITY.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MINORITIES OR INCLUSION, OR THAT'S THE STUFF, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT BLACK VERSUS WHITE OR HISPANIC.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS, PEOPLE FROM ALL RELIGIONS, AND PERSONAL CHOICES.

I WAS VERY PLEASED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO'S MUSLIM, WHO'S HERE TONIGHT.

HE SAID TO ME, HE WAS VERY GRATEFUL THAT IN 2017, I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SUPPORT RAMADAN AND PUT THAT POST ON FACEBOOK.

THAT IS WHAT WE CALL INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY, INCLUDING PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND EXPERIENCES, AND YEARS TO COME OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS STARTED DOING THAT.

ALL THIS IS SAYING IS THAT WE ARE EMBRACING AND CONTINUE TO EMBRACE A CITY THAT IS SAFE AND THAT IS WELCOMING, AND THAT IS INCLUSIVE.

NOTHING BEING CREATED, WE'RE JUST AFFIRMING OUR STANCE AND AFFIRMING THE FACT THAT OUR CITY IS SAFE AND INCLUSIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> THANK YOU. THE TITLE READS, CITY'S COMMITMENT TO BUILDING A SAFE CITY.

DO THE CHAIR, CITY MANAGER, ARE YOU COMMITTED TO BUILDING A SAFE CITY?

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> I HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP IT TO THE POINT.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM MAYOR. YES, WE'VE BEEN COMMITTED TO BUILDING A SAFE CITY FOR SOME TIME.

>> CAPTAIN CIRMINIELLO , I THINK YOU'VE FINISHED EATING DINNER NOW.

ARE YOU COMMITTED TO BUILDING A SAFE CITY?

>> WE'RE ALWAYS COMMITTED TO SAFETY.

>> THANK YOU. YOU CAN GO BLANK NOW.

[LAUGHTER] FOR THE VICE MAYOR, THE TERM AN AFFIRMATION MEANS A SOLEMN DECLARATION ACCEPTED INSTEAD OF A STATEMENT UNDER OATH, CONFIRMATION, OR RATIFICATION OF THE TRUTH OR VALIDITY OF A PRIOR JUDGMENT, SOMETHING THAT HAS AFFIRMED, A STATEMENT OR PROPOSITION THAT IS DECLARED TO BE TRUE.

BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE CAPTAIN, AND FROM THE CITY MANAGER, FROM THIS COMMISSION, OUR DESIRE IS TO HAVE A SAFE CITY.

THERE'S NOTHING PARTISAN ABOUT IT EXCEPT THE FACT THAT SOME OF IT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY.

I KNOW AT ONE POINT YOU WERE REGISTERED AS A REPUBLICAN, AND REPUBLICANS TYPICALLY DON'T SUPPORT LGBTQ [OVERLAPPING] EFFORTS.

>> MAYOR POINT OF ORDER.

>> YES.

>> WE JUST HEARD FROM ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS TO RESPECT EACH OTHER.

TO NOT JAB, WE SIGNED A CODE OF ETHICS WHEN WE SIGNED UP TO RACE.

CONTINUING TO TAKE JABS [OVERLAPPING].

>> I DIDN'T TAKE ANY JAB [OVERLAPPING].

>> I'M SPEAKING.

[OVERLAPPING] I'M SPEAKING.

CONTINUING TO TAKE JABS ARE VERY PERSONAL.

YOU GENTLEMEN ARE TAKING THINGS AWAY TOO PERSONAL.

YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE TO LOSE.

>> AGAIN, YOU CANNOT DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS, [OVERLAPPING].

RULES ARE RULES.

>> I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER AND I HAVE THE FLOOR COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

[OVERLAPPING] COMMISSIONER BOLTON, I HAVE THE FLOOR.

[OVERLAPPING] COMMISSIONER BOLTON I HAVE THE FLOOR.

[02:50:01]

[OVERLAPPING]

>> YOU'RE ALL OFF. GENTLEMEN, AND LADY IF YOU SHOULD JUMP IN.

AS I SAID BEFORE, YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS.

WE EACH KEEP OUR COMMENTS ABOUT OURSELVES AND OURSELVES ALONE.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO MAKE REFERENCES TO ANYBODY ELSE ON THE DESK OR ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR LIVES.

KEEP IT TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY OF YOUR OPINIONS FOR YOURSELF, DON'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU. CITY ATTORNEY?

>> YES. JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THE GUIDANCE GIVEN BY A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE, ORGANIZATIONS, AND THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS JUST A SUGGESTION.

IT STATES, WHEN DEBATING YOUR MOTIONS, ONE, LISTEN TO THE OTHER SIDE, TWO, FOCUS ON ISSUES NOT PERSONALITIES, THREE, AVOID QUESTIONING MOTIVES, AND FOUR, BE POLITE.

I THINK THAT IF WE ALL TRY AND ADHERE TO THOSE RULES AND THOSE GUIDANCES, MEETINGS WILL GO LESS RANCOR AND MAYBE QUICKER.

>> I BELIEVE I MET ALL THOSE STANDARDS.

I SIMPLY MADE A STATEMENT OF FACT THAT THE VICE MAYOR TOOK OFFENSE TO.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE.

YOU DON'T NEED TO SAY WHAT, OR IF HE'S TAKEN OFFENSE TO ANYTHING, JUST MAKE YOUR POINT, PLEASE BECAUSE WE ARE ALL ITERATING OUR RULES OF PROFESSIONALISM HERE.

>> I THINK THE POINT IS SO CLEAR.

THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO BUILDING A SAFER CITY.

THERE'S BACKUP INFORMATION THAT IS JUST A PARAGRAPH LONG, IT'S LESS THAN 100 WORDS.

THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO DEBATE, NO QUESTION, IF YOU'RE AGAINST IT VOTE, NO, BUT IT'S VERY CLEAR.

DO YOU AFFIRM BUILDING A SAFER COMMUNITY OR NOT? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT FOR DEBATE, SO I'M SUPPORTING THIS, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION ON HOW YOU FEEL FOR THIS.

NOW, I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT IT IS RIDICULOUS THAT WE NEED A RESOLUTION TO TELL US HOW WE FEEL.

A RESOLUTION TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT A SAFER CITY, HOWEVER, IT'S TITLED.

FOR THE FACT THAT WE ARE AN INCLUSIVE CITY, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN AN INCLUSIVE CITY.

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CELEBRATE OUR INCLUSIVITY TO SOME EXTENT TO WHERE I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY BECOMING DIVISIVE OR DIVISIVE, HOWEVER, ANYBODY WISHES TO SAY TOMATO, OR TOMATO AT THIS POINT.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF PRIDE MONTH.

WE CELEBRATE OUR LOVE.

WE DO HAVE A GREAT EVENT CALLED ONE TAMARAC, WHICH HAS SHOWN OUR SUPPORT AND CELEBRATION OF ALL OF OUR CULTURES, AND WE'VE TRIED TO GROW IT TO BE EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE, TO BRING EVERYBODY IN AS WE GET BETTER EVERY YEAR WITH OUR PLANNING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS A POLITICAL ITEM OR NOT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS JUST A SOUND BITE OR FEEL GOOD SITUATION, WHICH IS WHY IT TROUBLES ME THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A RESOLUTION TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT BEING GOOD PEOPLE AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER FOR DIFFERENCES THAT ALSO MAKE US VERY SIMILAR IN A LOT OF RESPECTS.

ALSO, IT GETS USED AS POLITICAL SOUND BITES, IF YOU SHOULD VOTE AGAINST IT, BECAUSE THEN, YOU DON'T SUPPORT INCLUSIVITY, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING HERE.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SETTING POLICY THAT MAKES OUR CITY MOVE FORWARD, IT INCLUSIVE, SUPPORTIVE, WARM, SMART ENVIRONMENTS.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THE MATTER. COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK BY OUR ACTIONS, WE SHOW THAT WE ARE A SAFE, INCLUSIVE CITY.

I THINK WE HAVE VARIOUS EVENTS THAT SHOW THAT AS WELL, AND I THINK OUR ACTIONS SHOULD SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

IT TROUBLES ME A LITTLE THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO GO INTO A RESOLUTION, AND WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? IF WE'RE NOT A SAFE CITY, PUT IT DOWN A RESOLUTION IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT.

IF WE'RE NOT INCLUSIVE OF EVERYONE PUTTING IT DOWN A RESOLUTION IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT.

WE NEED TO DO THIS BY OUR ACTIONS, AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE THAT.

I THINK THIS LAST THING WE VOTED ON SHOWS THAT WE'RE TREATING ALL OUR EMPLOYEES EQUALLY AND FAIRLY.

OBVIOUSLY, I'M IN FAVOR, BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO SHOW UP IN A RESOLUTION NOW.

[02:55:04]

I HONESTLY BELIEVE WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

WE AS A GROUP ARE COMMITTED TO THAT, AND WE HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO SHOW THAT THROUGH OUR ACTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN, THIS IS YOUR SECOND ROUND, THEN COMMISSION BOLTON.

>> YEAH. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, SURPRISINGLY, BUT YES, YOU [LAUGHTER].

WE ARE IN GOVERNMENT AND I'M SURE THE CLERK CAN TELL YOU, WE DO RESOLUTIONS AND EVERYTHING, THAT'S WHAT WE DO AS A GOVERNMENT.

IT'S A DECLARATION THAT SAYS, "I SUPPORT YOU." LAST MONTH I DID A RESOLUTION IN HONOR OF HAITIAN HERITAGE MONTH AND HAITIAN FLAG DAY AND I TOOK IT TO ANCIENT CHURCH AND I GAVE IT TO THEM.

IT'S A PUBLIC DECLARATION THAT SAYS.

"I SUPPORT XYZ.

I'M IN FAVOR OF XYZ." THIS IS DONE ALL THE TIME.

IF YOU ARE TIRED OR DON'T LIKE RESOLUTIONS YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS ROOM, BUT WE DO RESOLUTIONS FOR WHAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD THINK ARE THE SILLIEST THINGS.

BUT IT'S JUST A DOCUMENTATION SAYING THAT WE AS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY AND I SUGGEST THAT THE FOLKS ON THIS COMMISSION WATCH OTHER COMMISSION MEETINGS AND YOU'LL SEE RESOLUTIONS FOR WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S A SILLY AS THINGS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO, THAT ALL MUNICIPALITIES DO, THAT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT DO.

THERE'S RESOLUTIONS FOR EVERYTHING, AND SO IT'S A STATEMENT, A DECLARATION THAT SAYS, "I'M IN FAVOR OF WHATEVER THE TOPIC IS." IF THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF THE AGENDA, THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO VOTE ON.

I DISAGREE WITH NOT DOING PROCLAMATIONS.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION DOING A PROCLAMATION FOR STUDENT TODAY, BUT THAT'S THE CORNY OR CHEESY ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO DO PROCLAMATIONS, DO RESOLUTIONS, DO FEEL GOOD STUFF. THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOLTON, YOU ARE NEXT.

>> THANK YOU. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYBODY'S COMMENTARY, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A SOUND BITE.

RESOLUTIONS ARE HOW GOVERNMENT SPEAKS.

IT IS IN FLORIDA STATUTE.

THIS IS HOW WE SPEAK, AND IF WE DO AN EVENT AND IF WE CREATE A BOARD, THOSE ARE ACTIONS.

THEN HOW WE SPEAK ABOUT THE ACTION, HOW WE PUT EVERYTHING IN ONE DOCUMENT AND SAY TO THE RESIDENCES, THIS IS HOW WE FEEL, IS BY RESOLUTIONS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT SOME POLICY WE DO IT BY RESOLUTION.

WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 55 YEARS AS A CITY, SO IT SHOULDN'T SUDDENLY BE A PROBLEM TO PASS RESOLUTIONS FOR FOUR THINGS.

I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IN THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTIONS AGAIN BECAUSE THAT IS AGAIN, HOW WE DO BUSINESS.

LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS IS NOT A SOUND BITE.

I AM A PASTOR OF A CHRISTIAN CHURCH, AND LARGELY, AND CHURCHES LIKE MINE, MATTERS OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY IS NOT ACCEPTED.

I HAVE TAKEN A STANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS KNOW AND THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT I'M FOR HUMANITY.

I BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WORSHIP IN A MOSQUE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WORSHIP IN A SYNAGOGUE OR A CHURCH, YOU ARE TO BE TREATED THE SAME AND TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.

TO SAY THAT THIS IS A SOUND BITE, OR TO SAY THAT THIS IS A FEEL-GOOD MOMENT, IT REALLY IS NOT A FEEL-GOOD MOMENT FOR A LOT OF MY FRIENDS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THAT THIS IS A HUMAN RESPONSIBILITY.

THIS IS A RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE ALL HAVE TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD,

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THAT WE WILL TREAT EACH OTHER FAIRLY AND WITH RESPECT.

WHAT WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING IS DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE SAYING THIS TO THE WORLD AND THE RESOLUTION.

THIS COMMENTARY, THIS IS SILLY.

THIS ITEM SHOULD PASS, AS QUICK AS WE PASSED BUYING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE CITY.

>> THIS IS [INAUDIBLE] FOR US.

>> BUT INSTEAD, WE ARE DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS GOING TO BE POLITICAL.

SO WHAT IF IT IS POLITICAL FOR ONE OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE?

>> LIKE I SAID.

>> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING GOOD FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AND THEY WILL BE HAPPY THAT WE DID.

AGAIN, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH TIME, FIVE-MINUTES CLERK [BACKGROUND] OR THREE MINUTES, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKING TIME, BUT I'LL WRAP UP THIS COMMENT.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT LGBTQ RIGHTS, IT IS NOT ABOUT BLACK VERSUS WHITE VERSUS BEING HISPANIC.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT IS ABOUT EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US BEING TREATED FAIRLY, AND WITH RESPECT.

DR. DARCY SCHILLER, WHOM I LOVE AND ADORE, SHE MAY THINK THAT I DO NOT APPRECIATE HER, BUT ANYBODY THAT SPEAKS TRUTH TO POWER AND SPEAKS THEIR MIND, I LIKE, EVEN IF IT'S ABOUT ME OR AGAINST ME, I LIKE.

SHE SAYS, "THIS INCLUSIVENESS IS DIVERSE.

FORGET RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, ETHNICITY, GENDER, WE ARE ALL THE SAME.

WE ALL BLEED, OUR BLOOD IS RED.

WE ARE ALL FLESH AND BONES, THE REST IS A COVER WE CHOOSE, BUT WE ARE ALL EQUAL.

LET TAMARAC BE THE FIRST TO SAY SUCH." LET ME BE CLEAR, I AM VOTING YES ON THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE I THINK IT IS THE HUMAN THING TO DO, NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. VICE MAYOR.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON, HAVE YOU ASKED THE PEOPLE OF TAMARAC HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE, BUT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SURVEY THE PEOPLE.

YOU GUYS KEEP BRINGING UP LGBT [OVERLAPPING] STUFF, NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT LGBT STUFF.

HAVE WE NOT PASS RESOLUTION TO DO AN INCLUSIVE BOARD? WHY DO WE KEEP HAVING TO DO WITH RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT WE ALL KNOW LIKE COMMISSIONER PLACKO SAID, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.

YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY WHEN YOU'RE A KID TO DO THE RIGHT THING EVERY SINGLE TIME.

MY DAUGHTERS DO NOT SEE COLORS, OR RACE, OR SEX, OR ANYTHING.

THIS IS POLITICAL, AND YOU BOTH KNOW IT'S POLITICAL.

>> VICE MAYOR

>>THAT'S MY LAST COMMENT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING] NO.

>> HE ASKED ME A QUESTION.

>> HE WAS ASKING RHETORICAL QUESTIONS.

>> IT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

YOU DO REMOVED YOURSELF. OKAY.

BASICALLY, MY COMMENT ABOUT SOUNDBITE WAS WHETHER IF SOMEBODY VOTED AGAINST IT, IT WILL BE USED IN A SOUNDBITE BECAUSE THEY VOTED AGAINST IT.

BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A FEELING THAT THIS IS POLITICAL AND THERE MIGHT BE A FEELING THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO PUT A RESOLUTION FORTH FOR BEING HUMAN, FOR BEING A GOOD PERSON, FOR HAVING THE BASIC PREMISES THAT WE WERE TAUGHT OR BEING TAUGHT TO CHILDREN OF YOU TREAT EACH OTHER AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED.

YOU RESPECT AND LOVE EVERYBODY.

THAT IS WHAT I SAID REGARDING A SOUNDBITE.

WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO THIS RESOLUTION AND THEN, WELL, WE DIDN'T DO ONE FOR JEWISH HERITAGE MONTH.

WE DIDN'T DO A RESOLUTION FOR OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE GONE IN THE PAST.

WE DIDN'T DO A RESOLUTION FOR MEN'S HEALTH.

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DOES THAT MEAN WE DON'T CARE ABOUT MEN'S HEALTH? DOES IT MEAN WE DON'T CARE ABOUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE A RESOLUTION? THE MORE WE DIVIDE AND PICK A PART, IN MY OPINION, LEAVES THE ABILITY TO HAVE A DOOR OPEN FOR AN UNINTENTIONAL DISCRIMINATION AND UNINTENTIONAL LOSS AND NOT CARING ABOUT AN ENTITIES OR CATEGORY, WHICH AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO BE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM ALL THE LABELS? IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING US ALL BACK INTO LABELS.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HUMAN, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD PEOPLE WHO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND ARE SUPPORTIVE OF ONE ANOTHER AND MOVING THINGS FORWARD.

AGAIN, ACTUALLY WE'RE NOT REALLY HERE FOR TOUCHY-FEELY STUFF, WE'RE HERE FOR MOVING THE CITY FORWARD.

YES, WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO FEEL WARM AND INVITED AND COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT WE ARE AN INCLUSIVE CITY.

BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE EXPECTING IT FROM US IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION, WHICH IS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT AS COMMISSIONER PLACKO HAS SAID, HAS ABSOLUTELY NO TEETH.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN IF WE PASS THIS? WHAT DOES IT MEAN IF WE DON'T PASS IT? I THINK WE HAVE SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS.

NO, COMMISSIONER GELIN, YOU ARE NOT GOING RESPOND TO ME.

YOU'VE HAD YOUR TWO ROUNDS. I AM FINISHING AND I'M CALLING THE VOTE.

>> I HAVE THE [OVERLAPPING] POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

>> POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, IT IS?

>> CAN YOU DEFINE THE PURPOSE OF A RESOLUTION AND WHY CITIES AND STATES AND GOVERNMENTS DO IT?

>> I DON'T NEED YOU TO [OVERLAPPING]

>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE PAPER HAS NO TEETH.

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TEETH. COMMISSION GELIN, [OVERLAPPING] THIS IS AN IRRELEVANT- PARDON?

>> YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULDN'T DO RESOLUTIONS AT ALL.

>> RESOLUTIONS THAT AREN'T MOVING THE CITY FORWARD.

>> HOW IS THIS NOT MOVING THE CITY FORWARD?

>> COMMISSION GELIN, THIS ISN'T A CONVERSATION FOR YOU AND I.

>> I WAS ASKING THE CITY ATTORNEY A QUESTION.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE INTERRUPTING IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE YOU CONTINUALLY WANT TO HAVE- [OVERLAPPING].

>> I MADE A POINT OF CLARIFICATIONS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.

>> WE SHOULD ALL KNOW WHAT RESOLUTIONS DO AND DON'T DO.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAVE TEETH AND DON'T HAVE TEETH.

WE ARE HERE LONG ENOUGH FOR THAT.

COMMISSIONER PLACKO, YOU HAVEN'T HAD YOUR SECOND TURN OR YOU WISHING TO SPEAK?

>> YEAH. JUST VERY QUICKLY.

>> MY QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WASN'T ANSWERED.

>> IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANSWERED.

IT WAS A POINT OF ORDER JUST FOR INTERRUPTION PURPOSES.

>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, GO AHEAD.

>> MAY I MIRROR TO COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION, CHAPTER 1-6041, 1B DEFINES RESOLUTION TO MEAN AN EXPRESSION OF A GOVERNING BODY CONCERNING MATTERS OF ADMINISTRATION, EXPRESSION OF A TEMPORARY CHARACTER, OR A PROVISION FOR THE DISPOSITION OF A PARTICULAR ITEM OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS TO THE GOVERNING BODY.

THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF RESOLUTION.

>> A POINT OF ORDER MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> POINT OF ORDER.

>> NO, I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU, COMMISSIONER, AT THE TIME.

>> YOU ALLUDED TO AN OPINION THAT SOUNDED LIKE FACT.

YOU SAID, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ONE FOR JEWISH OR HISPANIC MONTH OR THAT SORT OF STUFF, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.

THE FIRST THREE LINES, [OVERLAPPING] IT IS A POINT OF ORDER.

>> YOU TOOK MY RHETORICAL COMMENTS AS QUESTIONS.

>> AGAIN, [OVERLAPPING] THE FIRST THREE POINTS OF THE RESOLUTION TELLS US THAT, AND THIS DIVERSITY IS A RECOGNITION OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENCES THAT ENCOMPASSES PEOPLE OF COLOR, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, MATURE INDIVIDUALS, LGBTQ, PLUS PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT FAITHS, BELIEFS, AND CULTURAL VIEWS AND MORE.

THIS IS ENCOMPASSING EVERY BODY.

[NOISE] AS I KNOCK ON DOORS, EVEN WITH THE VICE MAYOR FOR FOUR YEARS [OVERLAPPING].

>> COMMISSIONER, THIS PART IS IRRELEVANT.

>> MANY OF OUR RESONANCE, [OVERLAPPING] IT IS A POINT OF ORDER TO CLARIFY.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, ISN'T THIS PART OF WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, THAT IT IS GOING DOWN A PATH THAT IS NOT RELEVANT? YOUR CAMPAIGNING OR NOT CAMPAIGNING IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC.

[OVERLAPPING] SOME OF US ARE VERY CAPABLE OF READING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER PLACKO, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK WE ARE CLEARLY DEMONSTRATING UP HERE THAT WE ARE NOT PROPONENTS OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

I SEE SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.

I MAY THINK THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY THINGS IN RESOLUTIONS,

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THAT'S A PERSONAL OPINION.

BUT SOMETIMES SOME OF US ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS, AND THE REST OF US NEED TO SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM.

I KNOW I HAVE BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS, AND MY COLLEAGUES [NOISE] HAVE SUPPORTED ME.

BECAUSE I THINK WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THIS IN A RESOLUTION, IT VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT WE CREATED A DIVERSITY EQUITY AND INCLUSION ADVISORY BOARD.

IN MY MIND, THAT'S ENOUGH.

WE HAVE SHOWN IT, WE HAVE PROVEN IT, WE LIVE IT, WE TALK THE TALK, WE WALK THE WALK.

BUT IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT THEY HAVE IT IN A RESOLUTION, THEN MAYBE AS A COURTESY TO THEM, WE SUPPORT THEM IN THAT, AND WE SHOW THAT WE ARE INCLUSIVE AMONGST THE FIVE OF US, WHICH A LOT OF TIMES ARE NOT.

MAYBE NOW'S A GOOD TIME FOR ALL OF US TO STEP UP AND DO THAT.

THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL OPINION, AND YOU CAN JUST TAKE IT OR NOT. I'M SORRY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I'M CALLING THE QUESTION. CALL THE VOTE.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> CALLING THE VOTE.

>> EXCELLENT LEADERSHIP.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> YES.

>> THE MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ONE.

>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG, WE'RE GOING TO OUR ORDINANCES ON SECOND READING, 8AT02448, AMENDING ORDINANCE 2020-011 FY 2021 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET.

[8.a. TO2448 - Amending Ordinance 2020-011 FY 2021 Operating and Capital Budget]

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES. AN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA.

AMENDING ORDINANCE 2020-11, WHICH ADOPTED THE CITY OF TAMARAC OPERATING BUDGET, REVENUES, AND EXPENDITURES.

THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND THE FINANCIAL POLICIES OF FISCAL YEAR 2021 BY INCREASING THE TOTAL REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES BY A TOTAL OF $3,674,368 AS DETAILED IN ATTACHMENT A ATTACHED HERETO AND SUMMARIZED IN ATTACHMENT B, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU. I NEED A MOTION ON THE SECOND.

>> SLOW MOVE.

>> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AS SUCH, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? SEEING THAT NOBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, CITY CLERK, I WILL ASK IF ANYBODY HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE PHONE?

>> WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

>> PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

OUR FINANCIAL SERVICES DIRECTOR, CHRISTINE CAJUSTE IS AVAILABLE AND ACTUALLY IS READY TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE [INAUDIBLE] TO2448, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU ON SECOND READING HAS BEEN AMENDED AS REQUESTED ON FIRST READING.

THE AMOUNT OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT ON FIRST READING OF 3,951,868 WAS REVISED AND APPROVED AS AMENDED TO REMOVE SIX ITEMS TOTALING 277,500.

THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE REVISED BUDGET AMENDMENT OF 3,674,368 IS BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL ON SECOND READING.

THE ITEMS REMOVED WERE 37,500 FOR LOCAL TRAVEL ALLOWANCE, 75,000 FOR ADDITIONAL LEGISLATIVE AIDES, 50,000 FOR COMMISSION OFFICE RENOVATION, 50,000 FOR COMMISSION MEDIA OUTREACH, 15,000 FOR OFFICE FURNITURE, AND 50,000 FOR STOCK SUPPORT FOR COMMISSION INITIATIVE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> YEAH, SO THE ITEMS THAT DISTURBED ME AND I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR IT TOO MUCH, BUT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR EVENTS INITIATED BY THE CITY COMMISSION, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

ALSO, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE LEGISLATIVE AIDES.

SINCE 1974, WE'VE HAD THE RIGHT TO HIRE THREE LEGISLATIVE AIDES.

[03:15:06]

BUT THE LANGUAGE WAS VERY RESTRICTIVE, WHICH IS WHY WE CHANGED THE TERMINOLOGY OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON.

BUT EFFECTIVELY THEY'RE LEGISLATIVE AIDES AND THEY'RE TEMPORARY PART-TIME POSITIONS, NOT FULL TIME, NO INSURANCE BENEFITS, NO COST.

I'M THE ONE THAT PUSHED FOR THIS ITEM BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF EXPOSING YOUNG PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT AND PAYING THEM A DECENT WAGE FOR THEIR TIME.

YEAH, WE CAN HIRE THREE PART-TIME COLLEGE STUDENTS, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO WORK FOR 20 AND 25 HOURS A WEEK, THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS PAY A MINIMUM WAGE.

I'VE HAD TWO VERY SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON/LEGISLATIVE AIDES THAT WORKED FOR ME LAST YEAR.

NANCY METAYER WORKED FOR ME.

SHE HELPED ME PUT ON A VERY SUCCESSFUL COPS AND COMMUNITY FORUM.

SHE GOT GREAT EXPERIENCE WORKING IN TAMARAC AND NOW SHE'S THE CITY COMMISSIONER IN THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS.

MY CURRENT LEGISLATIVE AIDE, DIETER ROGERS, HELPED ME COORDINATE THE BIKE EVENT, GET BIKES TO STUDENTS, COORDINATING IT WITH THE SCHOOLS, SO I CAN DELIVER BOOKS TO THE STUDENTS.

SHE'S A COLLEGE GRADUATE THAT'S JUST PASSING THROUGH TAMARAC, AGAIN, SOME GOOD EXPERIENCE, AND SHE'LL BE GOING TO LAW SCHOOL IN THE FALL.

SO PART OF THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO PROVIDE AND EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES TO YOUNG PEOPLE TO CREATE WORK.

IN FACT, AS PART OF THE MOST RECENT STIMULUS THAT BIDEN PASSED, HE'S GIVEN GOVERNMENT'S MONEY INCLUDING CITY OF TAMARAC.

WE NEED TO GET A REPORT ON WHAT TAMARAC IS DOING WITH THE $10 MILLION THAT'S DESIGNED TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CREATE JOBS AND WE'RE CREATING A LOW COST, GOOD EXPERIENCE JOB BY HAVING LEGISLATIVE AIDES, GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, LEARN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, GET INVOLVED IN ACTIVITIES, AND PAY A DECENT WAGE.

IT REALLY DOESN'T EVEN OFFER BENEFITS.

I THINK THAT SOME COMMISSIONERS GOT SPOOKED OUT AND FREAKED OUT BY SOME ARTICLES THAT WERE WRITTEN, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T LEGISLATE BASED ON NEWS ARTICLES.

YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, OF THE RESIDENTS, OF THE COMMUNITY, AND ESPECIALLY THE STUDENTS.

SO ALTHOUGH I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THOSE ITEMS, I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD UP ANYMORE TIME, JUST WANTED TO PUT MY VIEW ON THE RECORD. THANKS.

>> VICE MAYOR.

>> I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AS IS.

>> THANK YOU. I SEE NO OTHER COMMENTS, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ.

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> NO.

>> THE MOTION PASSES THREE TO TWO.

>> THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING TO 8BTO2453 PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE AMENDMENT,

[8.b. TO2453 - Public Art Ordinance Amendment]

CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE READ THE TITLE FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR.

AN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN THE CITY OF TAMARAC, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 5 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES ENTITLED, BUILDINGS AND BUILDING REGULATIONS BY SPECIFICALLY AMENDING ARTICLE XI ENTITLED PUBLIC ART PROGRAM, SECTION 5-301 ENTITLED DEFINITIONS, TO PROVIDE FOR A DEFINITION FOR CONSTRUCTION VALUE, PROVIDING CLARIFICATION FOR THE ASSESSMENT, AND COLLECTION OF A ONE PERCENT PUBLIC ART FEE FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC ART PROGRAM.

AMENDING SECTION 5-302 ENTITLED PUBLIC ART FEE, TO ESTABLISH ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS BY WHICH THE REQUIRED 1 PERCENT PUBLIC ART FEE MAY BE PROVIDED FOR IN LIEU OF PAYMENT TO THE CITY'S PUBLIC ART FUND, PROVIDING FOR CLARIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU. I NEED A MOTION ON THE SECOND.

>> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. MS. CALLOWAY, I BELIEVE IS NOT AVAILABLE THIS EVENING. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> MS. CALLOWAY IS ON VACATION.

>> SO WHO WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?

>> I BELIEVE ROB JOHNSON IS WITH US, THAT LOOKS LIKE SEE HIM ON OUR SCREEN. HELLO ROB.

>> HI, SORRY, I WASN'T LOOKING.

SO ROB JOHNSON IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

AT THIS TIME IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN UP ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

[03:20:03]

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS MATTER OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK, IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE TELEPHONE?

>> WE DO NOT, MADAM MAYOR.

>> PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

THIS IS NOW FOR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.

I'M NOT SEEING ANY BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT MAYBE COULD BE EXPLAINED TO ME.

ON PAGE 3 OF OUR BACKUP OF THE ORDINANCE, IT HAS WORKS OF ART.

THE TANGIBLE CREATION.

IT IS ADDING PERFORMING ARTS AND PERFORMING ARTS SUCH AS DANCE, MUSIC, THEATER, OPERA, MIME, FILM, AND OTHER ART FORMS IN WHICH A HUMAN PERFORMANCE IS THE PRINCIPAL PRODUCT.

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME?

>> YES. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THIS WAS ADDED IN JUST AS THE DEFINITION OF ART TO INCLUDE THIS.

THIS ISN'T REALLY APPLICABLE MAYBE TO THIS ORDINANCE, BUT IT WAS ADDED INTO THE DEFINITION OF ART TO INCLUDE IT.

>> IF IT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS, WHY WOULD WE ADD SOMETHING THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE? BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE HOW- [OVERLAPPING], GO AHEAD.

>> SORRY, MADAM MAYOR. WELL, TO THAT WE'RE ADDING THIS JUST TO INCLUDE THIS DEFINITION SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN POSSIBLY HAVE SUCH PERFORMING ART THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE.

>> BUT WE CAN HAVE THIS PUBLIC ART BUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS MY UNDERSTANDING IS AS PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE IS TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER'S FUNDS BE UTILIZED FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

INSTEAD OF WHERE WE GET THE MONEY INTO OUR CITY'S PUBLIC ART FUND, WE THEN SELECT THE ARTWORK.

HERE IS THE ABILITY TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC ART TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH THE DEVELOPER.

THAT'S THE WAY, THIS IS READING TO ME.

BUT IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING IN GENERAL, JUST A DESCRIPTION OF ART AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN BE USING FOR.

IT'S ONE PERCENT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THEY CAN, BUT WE DON'T SEE THEM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PERFORMING ART, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN THE ONE PERCENT VALUE AND IT NEEDS TO MEET THESE SPECIFICATIONS GIVEN IN THE RESOLUTION.

>> WELL, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT COULD BE AT THIS TIME DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE IN THE FUTURE.

I GUESS I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT HAVING THAT WHICH IS ACTUALLY HUMAN SERVICES BEING UTILIZED FOR PUBLIC ART AND BEING ABLE TO GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE AS THE DEVELOPER'S ONE PERCENT.

I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AS A WHOLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT LANGUAGE STRUCK FROM THE DEFINITION OF WORKS OF ART IN OUR ORDINANCE. COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> THANK YOU. YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS WAS THAT NORMALLY A DEVELOPER GIVES THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE THE MONEY AND WE PICK OUT AN ART PIECE FOR THEM.

WE ARE NOW ALLOWING THEM TO PICK OUT AN ART PIECE THAT THE ART COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IN ORDER TO GO THERE.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT PARAGRAPHS THAT THE ART COMMITTEE ASKED TO BE EXTENDED IN THERE.

THEY ARE LOOKING LONG-TERM TO BE ABLE TO USE ART FUNDS FOR THINGS LIKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO, A MIME WHO'S IN ONE OF OUR TAMARAC 1.

SO RATHER THAN HAVE A PIECE OF ART THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE A MIME THERE, OR ONE YEAR WE HAD AN ARTIST THERE WORKING WITH THE KIDS DOING PAINTINGS.

IN MY MIND, IT DOESN'T BELONG IN THIS RESOLUTION, BUT THE ART COMMITTEE REQUESTED IT BE PUT IN THERE.

THIS RESOLUTION STRICTLY IS ALLOWING A DEVELOPER TO PICK OUT THEIR OWN ART PIECE THAT THE ART COMMITTEE WOULD APPROVE AND THEY WOULD THEN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT.

DID I CLEAR IT UP? YOU'RE GIVING ME A LOOK LIKE YOU'RE CONFUSED THAN BEFORE.

>> SORRY, BUT I APPRECIATE IT,

[03:25:02]

BUT I JUST DON'T SEE, IT'S THE YEAH, BUT.

IT'S PUT IN HERE. YEAH BUT.

>>YEAH BUT.

>> IT'S PUT IN HERE.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SAYING, MAYBE IF THERE'S RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE THAT A DEVELOPER CANNOT UTILIZE PERFORMING ARTS AS ITS ABILITY TO DO, IT'S ONE PERCENT, I MIGHT FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE KEEPING IT IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE FACT THAT THE MONEY THAT IS THERE, THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT FOR INSPIRATION WAY.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE OUR HUMAN ART WALKING DOWN THE BLOCK BUT THAT'S THE CITY'S DETERMINATION OF IT VERSUS IT BEING THE DEVELOPER'S WAY TO SOMEHOW THINK THAT THAT'S SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO SATISFY THE ONE PERCENT.

>> IF I MIGHT MAKE A SUGGESTION.

MAYBE WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND LET MAXINE TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AS FAR AS THE URGENCY PRESSING, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOING ON CURRENTLY.

I DO KNOW THE ART COMMITTEE WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT WANTING THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS THEIR INTENTION THAT IT WANTED THIS RESOLUTION, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC.

>> IS THAT A MOTION TO TABLE?

>> YES.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> VICE-MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> EASY-PEASY.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. SORRY. I WISH WHEN WE'RE ALL HERE, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

WE'RE AT 10A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION IN CREATING A CITIZENS BUDGET COUNCIL.

[10a. Discussion and possible direction creating a Citizen's Budget Council]

THIS IS REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER GELIN. COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> YES. WAITING FOR LIVENT TO PULL UP MY POWERPOINT SINCE SOME PEOPLE NEED MORE INFORMATION.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

ONE OF MY MAIN OBJECTIVES, SINCE BEING ON THE COMMISSION, HAS BEEN TO PROMOTE TRANSPARENCY.

FOR MANY YEARS, THIS CITY HAS NEVER ISSUED WHAT'S KNOWN AS A POPULAR FINANCIAL REPORT, A SUMMARY OF OUR BUDGET TO BE ISSUED TO THE PUBLIC.

WHEN I GOT ON THE COMMISSION, THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST OBJECTIVES I GOT DONE.

MANY CITIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOING IT, TAMARAC HAD NEVER DONE IT UNTIL I MADE THE REQUEST.

TO FURTHER INVOLVED RESIDENTS IN THE BUDGETARY PROCESS, I'M SUGGESTING AND RECOMMENDING THAT WE CREATE A BUDGETARY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

COMMITTEES ARE EASY AND INEXPENSIVE AND IT'S A GREAT WAY TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL VOICES AND FRESH PERSPECTIVES INTO THE BUDGETING PROCESS.

THEY CAN OFFER IMPORTANT FEEDBACK TO OUR CITY, BUDGET IDEAS AND PLANS, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

[NOISE] THEY CAN ALSO PROVIDE GREATER TRANSPARENCY, WHICH OF COURSE IS ONE OF MY GOALS.

IT GIVES THE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO A PART OF THIS PROCESS. NEXT SLIDE.

I ASKED, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT I SENT TO THE CLERK FROM OTHER CITIES THAT ALSO HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW PROCESS.

WHAT ARE THE KEY ELEMENTS? AGAIN, THEY PROVIDE LOCAL AGENCIES WITH MORE FOCUSED INPUT FROM A SELECT GROUP OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

I KEEP HEARING CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION TALK ABOUT MY RESIDENTS, MY RESIDENCE, AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

WELL, THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO GET SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

THE VOLUNTEERS BECOME INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH OUR BUDGET.

THEY ARE RECRUITED, FORMALLY OR INFORMALLY, AND WE AS A COMMITTEE OR AS A BODY, WE MAKE THOSE SELECTIONS.

NEXT SLIDE. WHICH WE DO FOR OTHER COMMITTEES.

WHAT IS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT? WE ALL WANT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

THE ROOM IS EMPTY NOW, IS PROBABLY 22 PEOPLE OR LESS WATCHING ON FACEBOOK OR ON YOUTUBE.

THE PUBLIC IS NOT ENGAGED IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS.

IF THEY WERE, IF THEY WATCH OTHER COMMISSION MEETINGS, THEY WOULD SEE THAT THIS BACK AND FORTH THAT WE HAVE SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T STOP US FROM ADHERING TO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.

WE MAY FIGHT AND BICKER, BUT WE GET THE JOB DONE AND HAVE BEEN GETTING THE JOB DONE.

[03:30:03]

IT'S NORMAL FOR COMMISSIONS TO DISAGREE ON ITEMS. BUT IT INCLUDES PUBLIC INFORMATION, PUBLIC CONSULTATION, PUBLIC DELIBERATION, AND PUBLIC PROBLEM-SOLVING.

IT'S THE COMMUNITY'S TAX DOLLARS AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SAY IN IT.

NEXT SLIDE. SO WHY INVOLVE THE PUBLIC? WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT ANSWER.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUDGET, WHICH IS THE STRONGEST STATEMENT MADE BY ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY.

MEANINGFUL PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT CAN HELP RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THE HARD CHOICES THAT BUDGETING ENTAILS AND ASSIST POLICYMAKERS IN BETTER UNDERSTANDING THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES RESIDENTS VALUE MOST.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY WON'T FEED INTO THE BS THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

INCREASED PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING ABOUT LOCAL AGENCY BUDGETS, INCLUDING REVENUES, EXPENSES, ETC., CAN LEAD TO GREATER SUPPORT FOR BUDGETARY DECISIONS AS WELL AS MEASURES TO INCREASE THE EFFECTIVE USE OF LOCAL REVENUES.

NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, WHY INVOLVE THE PUBLIC? TRANSPARENCY AND THE ICMA, WHICH OUR CITY MANAGER IS VERY INVOLVED IN, THEY VIEW RESIDENT PARTICIPATION AS A CORE COMPETENCY FOR SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC MANAGERS.

THEY NEED TO KNOW HOW WE ALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES.

IT'S THEIR RESOURCES AT THE SAME TIME AND THEY CAN ALSO PROVIDE GOOD FEEDBACK. NEXT SLIDE.

OF COURSE, I ALWAYS DO MY RESEARCH.

WE HAD A GREAT SPEAKER FOR MEMORIAL DAY, FORT LAUDERDALE COMMISSIONER BEN SORENSEN.

I THINK IN ADDITION TO A LAW DEGREE, HE HAS LIKE FIVE OR SIX MASTERS DEGREES. REALLY SMART.

BUT THE CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE THEY'VE HAD THEIR CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE SINCE 1996, SO WE'RE WAY BEHIND.

SINCE 1996.

THEY'VE SINCE REVISED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES TO MAKE IT BETTER AND MORE EFFECTIVE.

BUT SINCE 1996 THEY'VE HAD IT. NEXT SLIDE.

THERE'S A LINK TO ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.

I'LL ASK YOU TO CLICK ON THAT LATER, BUT FOR NOW NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SCHEDULE MEETINGS THAT THEY HAVE.

SO WHEN WE HAVE OUR BUDGETARY MEETINGS, THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, AS THEY DID IN THE WORKSHOP BEFORE US, WILL GIVE US A PRESENTATION.

WELL, NOW THOSE SAME STAFF MEMBERS WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION TO THE ACTUAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WHICH REPRESENTS THE RESIDENTS, AND SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS.

NEXT SLIDE. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE AND THE DUTIES OF A BUDGETARY ADVISORY BOARD? RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS WHAT IT IS FOR CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE AND WE CAN COPY AND PASTE THE SAME THING AND DO THIS IN TAMARAC.

PROVIDE THE CITY WITH INPUT REGARDING THE TAXPAYER'S PERSPECTIVE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET, REVIEW PROJECTIONS AND ESTIMATES, ADVISE THE CITY COMMISSION ON SERVICE LEVELS, PRIORITIES AND FISCAL SOLVENCY.

FINALLY, TO SUBMIT RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION NO LATER THAN, FOR THEM, AUGUST 15.

WE CAN SET OUR OWN DATE.

BUT WHEN I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER SORENSEN TODAY, HE SAID, "LOOK, SOME RESIDENTS COME WITH REALLY GREAT IDEAS AND GUESS WHAT, WE ADOPT THOSE IDEAS." THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT WAY TO INCLUDE RESIDENTS, CITIZENS, IN THE PROCESS AND THEY CAN BE OUR VOICES AS THEY ARE ON OTHER BOARDS.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE RESEARCH DOCUMENTS THAT I WENT TO.

THE INSTITUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THIS CASE.

WE DO HAVE ONE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS TIED TO FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY.

THIS DOCUMENT IS TIED TO THE CALIFORNIA LEAGUE OF CITIES.

I DID GO TO THE INSTITUTE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT WORKS WITH FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY, OR IT'S TIED TO FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY AND THEY ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS OR RESEARCH REGARDING THIS.

THEN ON MY BEHALF, THEY REACHED OUT TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND THEY SEND SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ESTABLISHED A CITIZENS BUDGETARY ADVISORY COUNCIL.

I'LL FORWARD THAT EMAIL TO THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR TRANSPARENCY BUT, OF COURSE, GIVEN ALL THE FALSE REPORTING THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE NEWSPAPER, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS AND OUR CITIZENS AND OUR TAXPAYERS ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, GET FEEDBACK FROM STAFF AS TO WHY WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON CERTAIN ITEMS AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THEM ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING MORE, AND THEN AS A COMMISSION WE CAN VOTE ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY OUR IMPORTANT TAX-PAYING RESIDENTS.

THEN SOMETHING ELSE THAT I NOTICED IN DOING THIS RESEARCH,

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THERE WAS A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS FOR THIS DRAFT MEMO THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY LEAKED.

IF YOU GO TO THE CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE WEBSITE AND YOU CLICK ON THE CITY MANAGER, EVERY SINGLE MEMO THE CITY MANAGER WRITES TO THE CITY COMMISSION IS PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE.

>> COMMISSIONER THAT'S OFF TOPIC. CAN WE PLEASE KEEP IT TO THIS?

>> TRANSPARENCY?

>> NO. THE TOPIC IS CITIZEN BUDGET COUNCIL

>> SHE'S INTERRUPTING ME. [OVERLAPPING]

>> YES, FOR POINT OF KEEPING YOU ON TRACK.

>> CAN YOU REMIND THE MAYOR OF THE RULES? [OVERLAPPING]

>> STATE ATTORNEY, I DON'T NEED TO BE REMINDED.

>> I THINK THAT YOU CAN PROCEED WITH THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK THE POINT'S BEEN MADE.

>> THANK YOU. TRANSPARENCY, THAT'S MY POINT.

HOPEFULLY THIS ANSWERED THE QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONERS WHO EXPECTED A PRESENTATION FROM ME LAST TIME.

IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, MY MOTION IS TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE AND BEGIN CREATING A CITIZENS BUDGETARY ADVISORY COUNCIL OR HOWEVER THIS CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO NAME IT.

>> SECOND.

>> CONVERSATION IS TO CONTINUE.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

THERE'S A REFERENCE THAT THIS ISN'T TIME-CONSUMING FOR OUR CITY STAFF.

CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS HOW MANY NEW BOARDS HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER OVER THE PAST YEAR ACTUALLY AND THE TIME FRAMES THAT GO WITH THE BOARDS, SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY HAVEN'T BEEN SEATED JUST YET?

>> I WOULD DEFER TO THE MANAGER.

>> I'M SORRY I DID MEAN THE CITY MANAGER.

>> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, MADAM MAYOR, I'M GOING TO SAY SIX NEW BOARDS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING, I THINK EDUCATION ADVISORY BOARD, HOMELESS TASK FORCE, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION.

IF THERE'S ANY OTHER STAFF THAT WANTS TO HELP ME OUT WITH THAT.

>> RUTH BADER GINSBURG.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> RUTH BADER GINSBURG WE JUST SAW AT THE SISTER CITIES.

>> YEAH, RUTH BADER GINSBURG.

THANK YOU. SISTER CITIES.

THAT'S FIVE. THAT'S FIVE IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER BOARDS THAT WE ALREADY STAFFED.

I MEAN, JUST REALISTICALLY, THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO CITIZENS BUDGET COUNCIL.

I MEAN THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO TRANSPARENCY.

IT DOES HAVE TO BE STAFFED.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORT LAUDERDALE LINK, I MEAN, IT'S BASICALLY DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WITH YOU AND DOING IT WITH FIVE MORE PEOPLE WHO TELL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT CREATING A BOARD OF FIVE PEOPLE IS THE BEST WAY TO ENGAGE ON THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND SO ON.

I THINK THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S FIVE RESIDENTS.

WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WITH YOU THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH THEM.

THEY'LL PROVIDE INPUT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE ISN'T ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING US TO DO NOW.

I MEAN, JUST BEING REALISTIC ABOUT IT.

IF TRANSPARENCY IS OUR GOAL AND IF IT IS ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND SOLICITING FEEDBACK, I THINK THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS TO DO THAT, THAT MIGHT BE MORE EFFECTIVE, BUT I WOULD NEVER SIT HERE AND TELL YOU THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE TRANSPARENT.

>> THANK YOU. I KNOW IN THE PAST AND I THINK IS PROBABLY TO SOME OF THE ADA STAFF.

WE HAD ON OUR WEBSITE, A BUDGET THAT HAD AN INTERACTIVE ABILITY.

IF I WANTED TO SEE JUST WHAT WE SPENT ON POLICE OR JUST ALWAYS SPENT ON PUBLIC SERVICES, DO WE STILL HAVE THAT? WE DON'T. I'M REFERENCING THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT.

I'M LOOKING AT OUR TECHNOLOGY DIRECTOR WHO IS SAYING NO.

I BELIEVE THAT WE TOOK THAT DOWN RECENTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUES ON OUR WEBSITE,

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IT MADE IT TOO HARD FOR INTERACTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE UP THERE THAT YOU WANT TO JUMP ON IN AND HELP ME OUT HERE WITH SOME ANSWERS TO WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT PART OF OUR SITE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE TOOK IT DOWN PARTLY BECAUSE THERE WAS NO USE FOR THAT SITE.

THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE PUT IT UP, THERE WAS ABOUT THREE OR FOUR VISITS TO THAT PAGE, AND THEN AFTER THAT, THERE WAS ONLY NONE OTHER THAN CITY STAFF.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. BASICALLY, WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR EASY ACCESS OF THE INFORMATION WHICH WAS NOT UTILIZED.

TRANSPARENCY, OUR CITY IS TRANSPARENT, EVERYTHING IS PUBLIC RECORD, OUR BUDGETS ARE PUBLIC RECORD.

WE ARE AA-PLUS RATED, FINANCIALLY SOUND, BOND-RATED ORGANIZATION.

WE HAVE WON THE PALLADIUM AWARD, WE'VE DONE ALL THINGS.

AS WE'VE BEEN REMINDED THAT WE HAVE HAD A WONDERFUL AUDIT 30 SOMETHING YEARS IN A ROW AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS BEEN LAUDED FOR IT.

I AM NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING RESIDENTS' DISCUSSION, BUT I MUCH HONESTLY RATHER OUR RESIDENTS COME TO OUR BUDGET MEETING AND TALK TO US OR COME TO US IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN PICKING FIVE PEOPLE.

I ALSO AM CONCERNED IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUDGET COUNCIL.

ALL WE'RE REQUIRING, I MEAN I LOOKED TO SOME OF THIS STUFF FROM OTHERS.

FINANCIAL BACKGROUNDS AND BUSINESS BACKGROUNDS, IMPORTANCE OF ACCOUNTING, BUDGETING, FINANCE, AUDITING, BUSINESS OWNERSHIP, UNRELATED EXPERIENCE, AND TRAINING.

IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING AS DETAILED AS THE BUDGET BEING DISCUSSED, I THINK THE BACKGROUND OF THE PEOPLE BEING SELECTED NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THOSE LINES.

BUT IF WE DO THAT, ARE WE THEN SAYING THAT THE LAYPERSON ISN'T ABLE TO PARTICIPATE? I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT.

BUT IF YOU WANT GUIDANCE, TYPICALLY, YOU WANT GUIDANCE FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH THE TERMINOLOGY AND WHAT IS IN THE SCOPE.

THESE ARE JUST MY CONCERNS ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A BOARD AND SAYING CITIZEN BUDGET COUNCIL.

IT'S REALLY A RECOMMENDING BODY AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE, I THINK SOME OF THE BELIEF OF WHERE IT'S WANTING TO HAVE IT.

I THINK OUR CITY IS EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT AND I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE JUST BUZZWORDS.

AGAIN, MAKING PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PART OF SOMETHING AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

IT HAS TAKEN OUR CITY SO LONG TO EVEN SELECT BOARD MEMBERS FOR THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE QUALIFICATIONS ATTACHED TO IT BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT SOUNDS GOOD.

THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT I HAVE INTERNAL CONCERNS WITH THAT I'M SHARING OUTWARDLY.

THE VICE MAYOR, YOU WERE LIT AND THEN YOU'RE NOT.

>> I JUST FIND IT A BIT DISTURBING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK FOR FIVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO DO WHAT OUR STAFF ALREADY DOES CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF PRAISE THAT WE GIVE OUR STAFF MEMBERS THROUGH BUDGETS, THROUGH ALL SORTS OF FINANCIAL MEANS TO GUIDE US PROPERLY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S WAS JUST MY COMMENT.

IT'S NOT FOR A REBUTTABLE COMMISSIONER GELIN, IT'S JUST MY COMMENT AND MY OPINION AND I'M ENTITLED TO THAT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> THANK YOU. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY IS TRANSPARENT.

OUR BUDGET MEETINGS ARE OPEN, I BELIEVE ANYBODY CAN COME.

I ALSO AM A VERY STRONG PROPONENT OF HAVING RESIDENTS INVOLVED AND IT'S SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO GET RESIDENTS INVOLVED.

I THINK WITH THIS COMMITTEE, THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME FINANCIAL BACKGROUND.

OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'RE SPINNING OUR WHEELS ON IT.

BUT I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER LEVEL OF SHOWING WE ARE TRANSPARENT.

I MIGHT MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST AND REVIEWED ALL OF OUR COMMITTEES.

IT MIGHT BE TIME TO DO THAT AGAIN BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THIS IS TAKING UP STAFF TIME FOR EVERY COMMITTEE AND TIME'S CHANGED.

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MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT ALL OF OUR COMMITTEES AND DECIDE WHICH ONES ARE VIABLE AND MAYBE WHICH ONES ARE NOT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD OR CAN DO THAT ON JUNE 29TH OR MAYBE AT A WORKSHOP. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER?

>> I'M SORRY, MADAM MAYOR. I DID NOT MEAN TO HAVE THE LIGHT ON.

>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DISAGREE THAT WITH THIS BOARD, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO WANT TO SERVE.

THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW INTERESTED IN SERVING OUR CITY, WHO ARE NOW COMING TO OUR MEETINGS.

BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, THE ONLY THREE PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME TO OUR MEETINGS WERE HARB, JOEL, AND BARBARA AND NOW WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE MORE.

WE ALSO HAVE ABOUT 20 PEOPLE NOW WATCHING ON FACEBOOK.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

MAYBE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE FAKE PROFILES OR TROLLS IN A MYRIAD OF OTHER PEOPLE ON THE WEBSITE.

PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION.

ON NEXTDOOR, THE CONVERSATION IS IGNITED AND PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT FINANCES AND HOW THE CITY SHOULD BE RUN.

WE GET EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS WHO SPEAK OUT ON THE WAY THAT OUR CITY IS RUN, TALK ABOUT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND SO FORTH.

THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT ARE INTERESTED AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE VERY CAPABLE OF SERVING AND HAVING THEIR VOICE HEARD IN A MORE MEANINGFUL WAY.

MANY RESIDENTS COME TO MIND WHO ARE VERY INTELLIGENT AND SMART.

WHEN THE FIRST RESIDENT THAT CAME TO MY OFFICE SOME YEARS AGO WAS KEVIN BORICK THAT LIVES IN THE WOODLANDS.

HE HAS A LOT TO SAY ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND FINANCES AND HOW THE CITY SHOULD BE RUN, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, AND SO FORTH.

I AGREE WITH KEVIN MOST OF THE TIME, I'M SURE THAT HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING.

HE HAS SAID PUBLICLY THAT HE IS INTERESTED IN SERVING.

BETH STARK WEATHER THAT LIVES SOMEWHERE IN DISTRICT 3, IS VERY INTELLIGENT, VERY SMART, KNOWS HER STUFF.

THERE'S STEVE HATFIELD WHO EMAILS.

I HAVE FIVE MINUTES AND MY ALARM HAS NOT GONE OFF.

>> BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS, GO AHEAD.

>> LET ME BE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS ON THE COMMISSION.

I'M TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTS.

>> THAT YOU DISRESPECT EVERY SINGLE TIME.

>> VICE MAYOR, COME ON.

>> OKAY. WILL YOU CORRECT HIM NOW?

>> I JUST DID. PLEASE CONTINUE, BUT PLEASE LET'S NOW TALK ABOUT OUR RESIDENCE, PLEASE.

YOU CAN SAY IN GENERAL, PLEASE.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY WHOM I HAVE OBSERVED THAT ARE INTELLIGENT, SMART, WELL-MEANING, CAPABLE INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN BE ON THE BOARD.

I'VE MADE THE POINT THAT RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO SERVE.

THAT IS A GOOD THING.

THIS CITIZENSHIP BUDGET COUNCIL, WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA.

I ENVY COMMISSIONER GELIN FOR NOT HAVING BROUGHT THIS IDEA FORWARD, [LAUGHTER] AND I HONOR HIM AND RESPECT HIM FOR TAKING SUCH A STANCE.

MY BRO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS WONDERFUL IDEA.

I'M INCLINED TO VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS OF TAMARAC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO THEM,

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THAT THEIR VOICE SHOULD BE HEARD.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE RESIDENTS, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET THEIR VOICE BE HEARD.

I'M SURE MR. KAHUC WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE BOARD AS WELL.

A BUSINESS OWNER IN TAMARAC THAT GIVES A LOT OF MONEY TO POLITICIANS, I'M SURE HE'D BE INTERESTED IN SERVING. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> COMMISSIONER. VICE MAYOR?

>> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CREATE A BOARD THAT WE OURSELVES HAVE CLEARLY MADE OUR RESIDENTS VERY WELL ENGAGED.

TRUST ME, THEY ARE ENGAGED MORE THAN EVER, AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE MORE ENGAGED.

THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ON A BOARD TO TELL US HOW TO DO THINGS BECAUSE WE APPARENTLY DON'T DO A GOOD JOB.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GELIN, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD PLEASE PROCEED IF NOT-

>> WHY ARE YOU REGULATING ME? YOU DIDN'T REGULATE-

>> BECAUSE YOU ARE THE PRESENTER, AND YOU HAD NINE MINUTES OF YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THAT IS HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

WE DON'T NEED YOU TELLING US EVERYTHING YOU ALREADY JUST TOLD US.

>> I'M NOT TELLING YOU EVERYTHING I JUST TOLD YOU.

WHY ARE YOU PRESUMING WHAT I'M SAYING?

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN, THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU THE QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD?

>> OF COURSE, I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO ADD THAT'S WHY I HIGHLIGHTED THE MICROPHONE.

>> NOT ALWAYS, OF COURSE, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. I DON'T PRESUME. [OVERLAPPING].

>> CITY ATTORNEY, IS IT APPROPRIATE?

>> OH, JIMINY CRICKET. [BACKGROUND]

>> AGAIN, I THINK THAT [NOISE] THE MAYOR IS GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO PROCEED.

YOU'VE INDICATED.

BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO ADD, AND NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO SPEAK.

>> OKAY. BUT YOU'RE NEW HERE AND SHE'S ALWAYS PREFACING A STATEMENT [OVERLAPPING] WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN, SPEAK.

>> I'M READY TO SPEAK NOW.

THANK YOU FOR THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT, COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

I ACTUALLY GOT THE IDEA FROM COMMISSIONER ANGELO CASTILLO OUT OF THE CITY PEMBROKE PINES.

ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF NETWORKING WITH OTHER CITY COMMISSIONERS IS GETTING IDEAS FROM OTHER CITY COMMISSIONERS.

BOCA RATON NAMES THEIR BOARD, THE FINANCIAL ADVISORY BOARD.

CAPE CORAL, THE NAME IS THE BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE.

FORT LAUDERDALE, THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

ORMOND BEACH, WHICH IS A LOT SMALLER THAN TAMARAC, WITH 38,000 IN POPULATION CALLS IT THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, AND THERE ARE OTHERS I SENT THE CLERK OTHER INFORMATION FROM OTHER CITIES.

TRANSPARENCY, AGAIN, IS KEY.

THE CITY AND MANAGER SAID HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT FIVE PEOPLE CAN DO.

WE CAN MAKE IT A 10 PERCENT COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE IT IS IN THE CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE OR 15 PERSON.

WE CAN MAKE THOSE NUMBERS UP.

I AGREE, IT SHOULD BE PEOPLE THAT HAVE FINANCIAL BACKGROUND.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN TAMARAC THAT ARE FINANCIAL PROFESSIONALS THAT WILL BE READY, WILLING, AND ABLE TO SERVE ON A BOARD.

WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF HIGH NUMBERS OF VOLUNTEERS, TAMARAC RESIDENTS, THAT WANT TO SERVE ON BOARDS.

ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH I UTILIZED MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE WAS I HAD HER CALL AN INTERVIEW EVERYONE THAT APPLY FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD FROM MY DISTRICT, FOR THE DIVERSITY BOARD AND FOR THE RGB BOARD.

I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF TALENT AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING FOR THESE ROLES, AND I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SELECT TWO PEOPLE FOR THE DIVERSITY BOARD THAT WERE VERY GOOD, AND I COULDN'T.

I'M SURE IF WE PUT OUT A CALL TO SERVE ON A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET AND MONEY, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE LARGEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR THIS POOL, SO I ENCOURAGE THIS COMMISSION.

IF YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR, JUST GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS WILL KNOW. THANK YOU.

>> ONE DAY THE DEVS WILL STOP AND IT WILL BE SO NICE. ANY WHO?

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE TIME AIR UNTIL AFTER MY PERSONAL TIME OF PRIVILEGE.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> NO.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> THE MOTION PASSES 3 TO 2.

>> YES FOR ME TOO.

>> VICE MAYOR, VILLALOBOS

>>OKAY. SO MUCH FOR THAT, TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER AND BE SUPPORTIVE. ANY WHO

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST, MAYOR, IF I MAY.

[OVERLAPPING] CAN I MOVE MY ITEM PRIOR TO COMMISSIONER GELIN'S ITEM? [OVERLAPPING].

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>> THAT'S NOT A POINT OF ORDER.

>> IT'S JUST A REQUEST.

>> I'M TALKING TO THE MAYOR, NOT TO YOU, COMMISSIONER BOLTON.

>> GENTLEMEN [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT'S NOT A POINT OF ORDER.

>> GENTLEMEN. YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO FINISH A SENTENCE, PROCESS IT, SO WE CAN HEAR IT AND THEN PROCEED.

STOP JUMPING ALL OVER EVERYBODY.

VICE MAYOR, IF YOU'RE DOING A POINT OF ORDER THAT'S SEPARATE AT THIS TIME.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE ARE RECOGNIZED FOR ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE ITEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

ARE YOU MAKING A POINT OF ORDER?

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A POINT OF ORDER TO REQUEST IF MY ITEM FOR PRESENTATION CAN BE DONE PRIOR TO THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

>> YES, I WILL MOVE IT UP TO THAT, BUT WE GOING- [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]

>> POINT OF ORDER THROUGH THE CHAIR, CITY ATTORNEY SHE NEEDED TO GET CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> I THINK THAT FIRST YOU SHOULD FINISH THE ITEM THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY DISCUSSING, AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU'RE FINISHED WITH THAT, THE VICE MAYOR CAN MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO TAKE AN ITEM OUT OF ORDER, BEING THAT THERE'S TWO REMAINING ITEMS SO THAT HE GETS HIS ITEM MOVED UP.

ASSUMING THERE'S MAJORITY VOTE TO DO SO, THEN IT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF ORDER.

>> AT THE SAME TOKEN, CITY ATTORNEY, AS A POINT OF ORDER, THE RUNNING OF THE MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN THE MAYOR'S CONTROL TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS AROUND ON IT, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE IF I HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT ON THE CALENDAR AS A REQUEST, THEN I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE IT WITHOUT APPROVAL.

ANYWAY, WE'RE GOING TO FINISH 10A, AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT AFTERWARDS.

VICE MAYOR, YOU ARE BEING RECOGNIZED FOR 10A.

IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER THAT YOU HAVE? OKAY. MY LAST COMMENTS ON THIS AND WE WILL CALL THE VOTE, IS THAT I AM WILLING TO HEAR AND READ MORE ABOUT WHAT THIS POTENTIAL COUNCIL RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE: WHO WOULD BE PUT ON IT, HOW LARGE IT WOULD BE? I WOULD LIKE SOME ESTIMATE FOR STAFF TIME AND THE EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE BEING PUT ON THIS BOARD, SO THIS BOARD IS ALSO AWARE OF WHAT EXPECTATIONS, IF IT IS TO GO THROUGH, WOULD BE EXPECTED FROM THEM.

BECAUSE I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY FOR NOW. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR, VILLALOBOS.

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> YES.

>> THE MOTION PASSES 4-1.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR?

>> LAVA, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? DOES HE HAVE THE PRESENTATION? CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND DO THE PRESENTATION THAT THE PARKS AND

[Additional Item 2]

RECREATION DID FOR THE TRACK PLEASE?

>> POINT OF ORDER TO THE CHAIR.

>> I'M GOING TO, SORRY ATTORNEY.

>> YES MA'AM.

>> THIS IS AN ADD ON ITEM.

THAT'S A POINT OF ORDER THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY THE VICE MAYOR.

I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT IT IS.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

>> NO, THERE'S NO POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT ACTUALLY THERE IS THE ONE THAT GREG WARNER'S TEAM PUT TOGETHER.

>> OKAY.

>> IT WON'T NOT GO SLIDE BY SLIDE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO RAMP IT REALLY QUICK.

>> POINT OF ORDER TO THE CHAIR, CITY ATTORNEY, WE DID NOT HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION THAT CHANGED THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA.

>> CONTINUE ON YOUR POINT OF ORDER.

CITY ATTORNEY, AT THE SAME TOKEN, PLEASE OPINE BECAUSE IT WAS AN ADD ON ITEM THAT WAS AGREED TO.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> AGREED TO BY WHOM?

>> I'M ASKING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO OPINE ON THE WHOLE THING, NOT AS AN INDIVIDUAL PIECE.

>> THAT THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDED ON?

>> THE VICE MAYOR ASKED IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING TO PUT AN ADD ON ITEM.

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TO HAVE A POINT OF [OVERLAPPING] PRIVILEGE TO SAY SOMETHING AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

HE IS NOW ASKING IT TO BE DONE BEFORE THE NEXT ITEM THAT IS. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT IS CORRECT. HE HAS MADE A MOTION UNDER THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES, TO MOVE MY ITEM BEFORE THE LAST ITEM OR SWITCH THEIR ORDER.

THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION.

IT DOES REQUIRE A SECOND AND A MAJORITY VOTE, IN THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

>> POINT OF ORDER. POINT OF CLARIFICATION THROUGH THE CHAIRS, CITY CLERK, I DID NOT HEAR THE VICE MAYOR SAYING THAT AN ITEM WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA.

WHEN EARLY IN THE MEETING, MAYOR GOMEZ ASKED THE CITY MANAGER, IF THERE WERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA.

>> I ASKED FOR A PERSONAL TIME OF PRIVILEGE.

>> THAT'S NOT AN ADDITION TO THE AGENDA.

>> THAT'S WHAT HE DID ASK FOR.

HE ASKED FOR A MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

>> WHAT IS THE RIGHT APPROACH? THROUGH THE CHAIR I WANT THE CLERK TO SHOW WHAT THE RECORD STATES.

WHAT DOES THE RECORD SHOW?

>> IF I MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, PLEASE.

>> I DID HERE VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS, HE MENTIONED UP SOMETHING.

>> AT THE TIME THAT THE MAYOR ASKED THE CITY MANAGER WERE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA?

>> GO AHEAD, CITY CLERK WITH THE TIMING.

>> I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE RECORD.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME.

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER TO GO THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY WHEN CITY ATTORNEY PLEASE CONFIRM IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHEN THE CITY MANAGER SAYS, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS IF A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAS REQUESTED FOR A MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, HE OR SHE IS ABLE TO RECEIVE THE SAME; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THE VICE MAYOR ASKED FOR IT.

IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AND GRANTED.

THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO IT.

FROM PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IT WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA AT HIS REQUEST.

[OVERLAPPING] I THINK THE POINT BEING THAT IS BEING ASKED IS THAT WAS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE INQUIRY TO THE MANAGER AS WHEN HE WAS ASKED IF THERE WERE ANY ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED OR DELETED FROM THE AGENDA WHEN THE COMMISSION TOOK UP THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE SECOND ITEM IS NOW THE LOCATION OF THE ITEM OF HIS REQUEST.

THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO PROVIDE CONSENSUS AS THE MOVING AN ITEM.

>> THAT IS CORRECT, THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE TABLE.

>> COMMISSIONER WE DIDN'T GET THERE YET.

VICE MAYOR, THROUGH A MOTION, YOU CAN ASK FOR IT TO BE MOVED UP OR TO REMAIN IN THE ITEM LIST.

>> I'D LIKE IT TO MOVE UP THE ITEM.

>> HE'S ASKING FOR A MOTION; IS THERE A SECOND?

>> ALL RIGHT. YES, WE DID.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS.

>> WE AGREE TO EXTEND THE TIME TO INCLUDE IT AT THE END.

THE REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE NOW TO MOVE WHAT WOULD BE THEORETICALLY 10C, THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT A PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO BEING 10 B AND MOVING 10B TO 10C.

>> THERE'LL BE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES.

>> THERE'S A SECOND. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER GALEN?

>> NO.

>> VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS?

>> YES.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> THE MOTION PASSES 3-2.

[NOISE]

>> WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT WHERE THE VICE MAYOR HAS ASKED FOR A MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO BE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES.

PLEASE PROCEED? [OVERLAPPING]

>> A POINT OF ORDER MADAM MAYOR, WOULD THE CLERK START THE CLOCK FOR FIVE MINUTES? THE VICE MAYOR SAID NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES.

[OVERLAPPING] WAS WHAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PLACKO [OVERLAPPING] START THE CLOCK.

>> WOULD WOULD THE CLERK STARK AND RECREATION.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> WOULD THE CLERK START THE CLOCK?

>> SHE IS STARTING IT.

>> CAN YOU SHOW THE PROPOSAL THAT. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> STATES WHERE COMMISSIONER GALEN'S PROPOSAL WAS ACTUALLY A STADIUM IAAF CERTIFIED FOR 10,000 SEATS.

CAN YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE WHOLE ENTIRE POWERPOINT PLACE?

>> POINT OF ORDER MADAM MAYOR.

>> YOU CAN DO IT SLOWLY.

>> POINT OF ORDER MADAM MAYOR.

>> WILL THE CLERK PLEASE STOP THE CLOCK. WHAT'S YOUR POINT?

>> THIS IS NOT A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

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THIS IS A FULL-ON ITEM THAT NEEDS SIX DAYS. [OVERLAPPING]

>> YOU CAN CONTINUE THE SLIDESHOW AND ADVANCE.

>> CITY ATTORNEY?

>> [OVERLAPPING] I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF MY POINT OF ORDER SO THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN OPINE.

THIS IS NOT A POINT OF ORDER.

THIS IS A FULL-ON ITEM WITH A PRESENTATION AND ITEMS NEED TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA SIX DAYS BEFORE [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE ALREADY HAVE THE PRESENTATION.

>> I'M SPEAKING AGAIN, THAT'S COMMON MANNERS.

WE NEED SIX DAYS TO PUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

>> LAVAL CAN YOU CONTINUE THE SLIDE SHOW PLEASE?

>> VICE MAYOR PLEASE HOLD FOR A SECOND.

>> HE CAN CONTINUE TALKING WHILE THE POWERPOINT CONTINUES.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, YOU'RE BEING ASKED SO OPINE.

>> OKAY.

>> A POINT OF ORDER IS UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS TO COMMISSIONER BOLTON'S POINT IS TO OBJECT TO THE PROCEDURE OR A PERSONAL FRONT ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

AS I UNDERSTAND, WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE HERE TODAY, IS THAT EARLIER TODAY'S MEETING, THE VICE MAYOR ASKED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AS A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, WHICH IS, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO A POINT OF ORDER TO OBJECT TO OR COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING THAT PREVIOUSLY HAPPENED OR THE WAY THAT THE AUDIENCES CONDUCTING THEMSELVES, ETC.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT'S THE CONSENSUS OR DECISION OF THIS COMMISSION TO ALLOW THE VICE MAYOR TO PROCEED YOU CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT.

ALTERNATIVELY, SOMEONE CAN POTENTIALLY MOVE TO TABLE.

THE ITEM WOULD BE DISPOSED OFF IF THERE'S NOT A CONSENSUS TO OR MAJORITY VOTE TO TABLE OF ITEM THAN THE MATTER WILL PROCEED.

>> CITY ATTORNEY THOUGH, ISN'T THE MATTER ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTE TO HAVE IT MOVE FORWARD AND THEN TO [OVERLAPPING]

>> GUESS IT WAS ADDED.

THAT'S MY POINT, IS THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE ONLY THING TO OR THE APPROPRIATE MOTION TO STOP THE VICE MAYOR FROM PROCEEDING WOULD BE A MOTION TO TABLE.

>> VICE MAYOR, PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> LAVAL CAN YOU JUST RUN THAT ONE MORE TIME PLACE? [NOISE] ACTUALLY, I'M PRETTY SURE ASHLEY CAN YOU JUST DO THE LAST ONE THAT I SUBMITTED THROUGH CITY CLERK? WE ALREADY SAW THAT PRESENTATION.

WE ARE CLEARLY KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER GALEN WAS PROPOSING THE TABLE.

>> SECOND.

>> CITY CLERK CAN YOU PLEASE STOP THE CLOCK.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [NOISE]

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO.

>> NO, LET'S OFFER COURTESIES TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, PLEASE.

>> VICE MAYOR BILL VILLALOBOS.

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLTON?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GALEN?

>> YES.

>> MOTION FAILS 3-2.

[NOISE]

>> THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RESET THE CLOCK TO FOUR?

>> IT'S OKAY. I DON'T NEED MUCH MORE TIME HERE.

>> OKAY.

>> WHAT'S ALREADY ALLOTTED.

CLEARLY, COMMISSIONER GALEN PROPOSAL FOR THE TRACK WAS NOT A RUBBERIZED RUNNING TRACK SURVEY RESULTS.

>> POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I NEVER MADE A PRESENTATION.

THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED, IT WAS DONE BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

>> YOU CAN RESPOND WHEN HE IS DONE, PLEASE PROCEED?

>> MADAM MAYOR, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ACTUALLY INTERRUPTS THE SPEAKER.

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE RULES IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> HE CANNOT LEAVE FALSE STATEMENTS ON THE RECORD.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A DECORUM STATUTE THAT WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING IN THIS CITY.

WILL YOU PLEASE READ IT TO THIS COMMISSION WHO SEEMS TO FAIL TO RECALL IT AT THIS HOUR.

HOW MANY HOURS AGO? [NOISE]

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, CITY ATTORNEY,

[04:10:01]

CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT- YOU'RE NOT RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME.

-COMMISSIONER BOLTON WAS CORRECT THEN I CAN MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? I THINK THAT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, WHICH IS YOUR STATEMENT, AS FAR AS THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, YES, THERE ARE RULES THAT THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE TO NOT BE DISRUPTIVE, ETC.

I'VE READ THOSE AT THE LAST MEETING, AS I REMEMBER.

AGAIN, I JUST, AS A PARLIAMENTARIAN, ASK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO PROVIDE BASIC COURTESY TO YOUR PEERS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT IS BY EVIDENCE BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE AT THE LAST MEETING, AN THE ISSUE OF CONCERN TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT AGAIN, IF WE ALL JUST TRY AND ALLOW EACH OTHER TO SPEAK WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED.

I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES OF THE PROCEDURE, IT IS BEFORE YOU ALL, IT WAS APPROVED, BUT TO YOUR COMMENT, COMMISSIONER GELIN, YES, THE POINT OF ORDER IS, WAIT A MINUTE, I DIDN'T MAKE A PRESENTATION THAT WAS STAFF.

I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT WAS MADE BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THE RECORD WILL REFLECT THAT.

POINT OF ORDER, MADAM MAYOR.

CITY ATTORNEY, IS IT [INAUDIBLE] SAY POINT OF ORDER, MOTION TO TABLE AT ANY TIME DURING THE MEETING? SOME OF THE THE MOTIONS DO ALLOW YOU TO INTERRUPT THE SPEAKER, DIRECT TO WHAT THE SPEAKER IS SAYING.

I BELIEVE THE QUESTION IS, IS IT DISRUPTIVE TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO TABLE DURING A COMMISSION MEETING OR ASK FOR A POINT OF ORDER DURING A COMMISSION MEETING? NO.

OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

VICE MAYOR, GO AHEAD.

SORRY. AS MADAM MAYOR IS THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, SOMETIMES WHAT COMES AFTER THAT, I BELIEVE, IS THE SUGGESTION THAT THE ACTIVITIES MIGHT BE DISRUPTIVE.

AGAIN, THE RULE SAY EVERYONE TREATS EVERYONE WITH COURTESY AND TRY NOT TO BE DISRUPTIVE.

THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY.

VICE MAYOR, PLEASE PROCEED.

I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYONE HAS A HAND, FINGERS, THEY CAN TAKE NOTES.

IN A DIRECTION FROM COMMISSIONER GELIN TO STAFF AT THE PARK AND REC, THAT TRACK WAS TO BE BUILT AND VOTED ON.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO, COMMISSIONER GELIN TOOK ON NEXT DOOR TO ATTACK THE MAYOR AND MYSELF BY SAYING, "RUBBERIZED RUNNING TRACK SURVEY RESULTS.

DESPITE THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR THE ADDITION OF A SOFT RUBBERIZED RUNNING TRACK TO TAMARAC SPORTS COMPLEX, THE TAMARAC COMMISSION, LED BY VICE MAYOR VILLALOBOS AND MAYOR MICHELLE GOMEZ, VOTED AGAINST THE WILL OF 82 PERCENT OF SUPER-MAJORITY OR THE DIVERSE SURVEY RESPONDENTS WHO WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE TRACK.

INCLUDED IS A SMALL SAMPLE OF THE RESPONSES FROM THE RESIDENTS.

I WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR ENHANCEMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR CITY'S BENEFIT, THE NEEDS OF THE STUDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, GROWING FAMILIES, SENIORS WHO ENJOY WALKING BUT WOULD PREFER A SOFTER AND SAFER SURFACE." NOT ONLY ARE YOU LYING TO THE PUBLIC, TO OUR STAFF.

POINT OF ORDER.

VICE MAYOR.

OKAY, I TAKE THAT BACK.

NOT ONLY HAVE YOU MISLED THE RESIDENTS.

HE'S STILL SPEAKING IN DISDAIN TO A MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I UNDERSTAND THAT. I AM SEEKING BUT YOU'RE TAKING OVER ME AGAIN.

VICE MAYOR, PLEASE MAKE YOUR COMMENTS TO THE ACTUAL ITEM WITHOUT ATTACKING.

THAT POST IS INCORRECT.

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THAT POST, NOT ONLY DID COMMISSIONER BOLTON AND COMMISSIONER PLACKO VOTED AGAINST IT, BUT YOU FAILED TO MENTION THEM.

YOU FAILED TO MENTION WHO YOU SURVEYED.

THEY DIDN'T LEAD, YOU LED IT, SO I MENTIONED YOUR NAME.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

MAYOR, THE GENTLEMEN CANNOT SPEAK TO EACH OTHER? CAN I FINISH? NO, YOU CAN'T.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE PROCEED WITH KEEPING THE REMARKS GENERAL.

ONLY HE KNOWS [INAUDIBLE] THE RESIDENTS OF TAMARAC WERE NOT SURVEYED, DISTRICT 3 WAS NOT SURVEYED.

IT WAS CLEAR WHO PROPOSED THE TRACK AND IT WAS A 10,000-SEAT STADIUM.

MADAM MAYOR, CAN YOU REMIND THAT [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S A FALSE STATEMENT. POINT OF ORDER.

THIS IS HIS PRESENTATION, COMMISSIONER GELIN.

YOU HAD YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOU WERE NOT INTERRUPTED.

I CAN SAY, POINT OF ORDER.

YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU COULD THROW A POINT OF ORDER ALL YOU WANT, BUT THERE'S A POINT IN TIME WHEN [OVERLAPPING] LET US RECLAIMED THE VICE MAYOR'S TIME.

[NOISE] WE NEED TO PUT BACK THE CLOCK PLEASE.

THE VICE MAYOR IS DOING HIS PRESENTATION ON HIS REQUEST THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION, BY THE MAJORITY OF IT, WHETHER IT'S NOT ALL, BUT THE 3-2, TO LET HIM PROCEED.

THE VICE MAYOR WILL CONTINUE TO PROCEED TO FINISH HIS PRESENTATION WITH THE ITEM AS HE SEES IT WITHOUT PERSONAL ATTACK. PLEASE PROCEED.

THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS SHOWN TO US, DISPLAYED TO US, THE ONE THAT LEVENT SHOWED TO US ON THIS POWERPOINT, DID NOT JUST COME OUT OF THIN AIR.

SOMEONE HERE PUT IT ON THERE.

NOW, TO SAY OTHERWISE THAT IT WAS ONE THING AND ANOTHER THING IS A BLATANT LIE.

THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY UNDERSTANDS THAT BECAUSE THE TEXT MESSAGE WAS SENT OUT TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE, THAT E-MAIL WAS SENT OUT TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, ON THE PRESENTATION DAY FOR THE TRACK, ONLY TWO RESIDENTS FROM TAMARAC SPOKE IN COMPARISON TO THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU CALLED FOR COACHES TO CALL IN.

POINT OF ORDER, MADAM MAYOR.

PLEASE. KEEP IT.

ALL THE COACHES WERE NOT IN TAMARAC. YOUR COMMENT.

LET'S TRY NOT TO HAVE TO USE PLEASE.

TAKE CAUTION IN YOUR COMMENT SIR.

POINT OF ORDER, MADAM MAYOR.

AGAIN, THE VICE MAYOR SHOULD LEAD BY EXAMPLE, AND HE IS AGAIN, SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO A MEMBER OF OUR COMMISSION- I HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT, COMMISSIONER.

-IN A WAY THAT THESE THINGS IS CHARACTERIZED.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR POINTING IT OUT.

GO AHEAD, CITY ATTORNEY.

IF I MAY. I'M REFERRING TO THE RULES FOR CONDUCT OF BUSINESS, CITY CODE OF CITY OF TAMARAC.

IT STATES, "QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF CITY COMMISSION SHOULD BE RESERVED IN SO FAR AS POSSIBLE FOR THE END OF A PRESENTATION TO AVOID INTERRUPTING THE SPEAKER, DISRUPTING THE TIME, KEEPING PROCESS, AND DUPLICATING GROUND THE SPEAKER MAY COVER.

ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ON ANY MATTER AND SHALL NOT BE RULED OUT OF ORDER BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER UNLESS THE MEMBER HAS MADE ABUSIVE, DEROGATORY, OR RUDE REMARKS.

NO MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION SHALL BE LIMITED IN HIS OR HER DEBATE ON ANY ISSUE EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED HERE IN, UNLESS THE MEMBER ENGAGES IN ABUSIVE, DEROGATORY, OR RUDE COMMENT." THAT'S WHAT GOVERNS ALL OF US.

I ASK YOU THAT YOU ALL OBSERVE THAT, IT IS IN YOUR CODE, IT IS ADOPTED BY YOU ALL, IT IS WHAT GOVERNS YOUR CONDUCT UP HERE.

IF WE ALL SUBSCRIBE TO THAT AND WE FOLLOW IT, WE'LL ALL BE BETTER AND IT'LL MAKE FOR A BETTER MEETING, IN MY OPINION, AS YOUR PARLIAMENTARIAN.

A POINT OF ORDER, MADAM MAYOR.

THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WOULD NEVER HAVE TO SAY POINT OF ORDER HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR DISRESPECTFUL, RUDE COMMENTS MADE BY THE SPEAKER.

COMMISSIONER BOLTON, THAT IS NOT NEEDED AT THIS TIME.

MR. ATTORNEY, I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ATTORNEY, IT'S NOT TIME FOR REBUTTAL, YOU'RE NOT IN THE COURTHOUSE.

[NOISE]

[04:20:03]

BUT THROUGH THE CHAIR.

THROUGH THE CHAIR.

AND THE CHAIR HAS NOT RECOGNIZED IT.

I HAVE ACCESS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AT ANY POINT DURING THE COMMISSION MEETING.

MR. ATTORNEY, IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE PARAGRAPH OR SO THAT YOU READ, IN THE RULES, THAT A SPEAKER OR A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAS TO BE TIMED WHEN OFFERING COMMENTARY? YES, SIR.

CITY ATTORNEY, GO AHEAD.

READ IT. CAN YOU READ IT? NO MEMBER MAY FILIBUSTER.

NO MEMBER MAY SPEAK FOR MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES CONTINUOUS EXCEPT BY [INAUDIBLE] OF THE MAYOR.

THE DECISION OF THE MAYOR IS FINAL UNLESS MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION VOTES THE COUNTER.

HOW MANY TIMES? I'M SORRY? HOW MANY TIMES? CAN ONE SPEAK? YES.

IT THEN DOES PROVIDE FOR A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

[NOISE]

>> [OVERLAPPING] DOES IT SAY FIVE MINUTES?

>> A MEMBER MAY A SECOND TIME ON ANY ONE QUESTION, ONLY AFTER ALL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN GIVEN UP TO SPEAK.

>> FOR FIVE MINUTES?

>> NO THAT THE RULE SAY THAT THE MAYOR MAY LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THE SECOND GO ROUND.

>> ON THE SECOND GO AROUND.

BUT ON THE FIRST GO AROUND, DOES IT SAY FIVE-MINUTES?

>> FIVE MINUTES, YES, I READ THAT.

>> YOU READ THAT?

>> YES.

>> POINT OF ORDER.

>> MAYOR.

>> I HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMISSION FOR OVER FIVE YEARS AND YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT RULES.

SERIOUSLY. OVER FIVE YEARS.

>> WHAT'S THE POINT OF THAT.

>> YOUR POINT HAS BEEN NOTED FIVE-YEARS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RULES.

NOW, IF WE CAN ACTUALLY GET BACK TO YOUR PRESENTATION, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE MINUTES WE CAN THEN GET TO THE LAST ITEM[OVERLAPPING].

>> I'M DONE WITH MY PRESENTATION. I MADE MY POINT, MAYOR.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW, THE NEXT ITEM IS 10. [OVERLAPPING].

>> AM I RECOGNIZED? [OVERLAPPING].

>> SORRY, [INAUDIBLE] CONSTANT IN THE LIST.

GO AHEAD. WITHOUT DELIVERING.

>> TO THE CHAIR I AM GOING TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO PLEASE EDUCATE THE VICE MAYOR WHO'S CLUELESS AS TO THE PROCESS.

>> COMMENT NOT NECESSARY.

>> I CANNOT MAKE A PROPOSAL.

THERE'S A LOT OF FALSE NEWS PROPAGANDA OUT THERE SAYING, I PROPOSE A 10,000 SEAT STADIUM.

I PROPOSED SPENDING $3 MILLION.

I CAN'T MAKE A PROPOSAL.

WHAT WE DO AS COMMISSIONERS, AS YOU SAW TONIGHT, AS WE PROPOSE IDEAS.

I PROPOSE THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

I PROPOSED SISTER CITIES.

I PROPOSE SO MANY OF THE OTHER THINGS AND STAFF DOES THE WORK.

FROM THE TIME I'VE GOTTEN TO THE COMMISSION, I ASKED TO HAVE A TRACK ADDED TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

I DIDN'T SAY 10,000 SEATS, 5,000 SEATS, 2,500 SEATS.

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING.

ALL I SAID WAS I WANT TO SEE A TRACK AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND AT THE APRIL 14TH COMMISSION MEETING, WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SHOWED WAS STAFF'S PRESENTATION THAT TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF ADDING A TRACK TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

FACTS, WHAT DID THE COMMISSION AGREED TO THAT NIGHT? THAT YOU MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN [OVERLAPPING] IS, THAT THE COMMISSION AGREED FIVE TO ZERO.

>> SHE JUST MADE A PARAMETER CLARIFICATION.

>> I'M LISTENING.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, AT THIS POINT AND TIME WHEN THE ITEM THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS JUST A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

DO WE NEED TO ACCEPT COMMENTS TO CONTINUE ON AN ITEM THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND VOTED ON AT THIS TIME?

>> NO DISRESPECT TO ANY OF YOU ALL, BUT I'VE BEEN ASKING THAT MYSELF FOR THE LAST 15 MINUTES.

THAT ITEM WAS TAKEN UP LAST MEETING.

THERE WAS EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION, AND COMMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU'RE TONIGHT, AT LEAST TO MY RECOLLECTION.

ULTIMATELY A MAJORITY OF THESE COMMISSION VOTED TO NOT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE PROJECT.

AS IT'S JUST WAS BEING MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER GELIN THAT IT PREVIOUSLY HAD.

AS A PARLIAMENTARIAN I'M TELLING YOU THAT ITEM IS DONE, IT'S OVER.

YOU ALL ARE REHASHING GROUND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TRAVELED.

>> I NEED TO CLARIFY THE FALSE STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE VICE MAYOR.

>> THEY WERE NOT FALSE STATEMENTS.

>> GENTLEMEN, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THE SAVINGS HAVE BEEN MADE, YOU BOTH HAVE MAJOR POINT HERE AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA AT THIS TIME THIS ITEM.

>> YOU ALLOWED THEM TO SPEAK, I SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.

HE MADE FALSE STATEMENTS.

HE SAID I DIDN'T SEND THE MESSAGES OUT TO THE RESIDENTS, WHEN CLEARLY I STATED TO THE RESIDENTS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHEN THEY WERE HERE LAST WEEK THAT I

[04:25:01]

GOT THE DATA FROM THE BROWSER BY THE ELECTIONS FOR THE CITY OF TAMARAC RESIDENTS AND I SEND IT TO TAMARAC RESIDENTS, SO HE CANNOT BE ON THE RECORD AND MAKING LYING FALSE STATEMENTS WITHOUT [OVERLAPPING].

>> YOUR COMMENTS FROM LAST MEETING OR ON THE RECORD, HIS COMMENTS FROM THIS MEETING AND THAT [OVERLAPPING] MAKE ON THE RECORD.

ALL ITEMS ARE ALREADY ON THE RECORD AT THIS POINT AND TIME, IT WOULD REALLY BE NICE TO END THIS PART OF THE RECORD AND MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE [OVERLAPPING].

>> WHY DON'T YOU LET THIS END AFTER I FINISH SPEAKING?

>> WITHOUT REHASHING A WHOLE BIG THING THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S NOT NOT HERE [OVERLAPPING].

>> HE SAID I MADE A PRESENTATION, I MADE A PROPOSAL.

[OVERLAPPING] THE CITY MAYOR CAN CLARIFY THAT I MADE A PROPOSAL FOR A TRACK. WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? WE ALL KNOW, EXCEPT FOR THE VICE MAYOR THAT THE NEXT STEP IS STAFF DOES THE WORK AND THEN STAFF BRINGS IT BACK TO US AND THEN REVOTE. [OVERLAPPING].

>> HOW DID YOU GO ON THAT ITEM SIR? [OVERLAPPING] YOU'VE ALREADY IN FAVOR OF IT.

>> I DON'T TALK TO THE PUPPETS. [NOISE]

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN.

>> I'M GLAD I'M NOT ONE.

>> VICE MAYOR, GENTLEMEN.

WE ARE MOVING ON TO 10 B.

THIS IS DISCUSSION IN DIRECTION ON THE PROCESS FOR IDENTIFICATION AND HIRING OF A NEW CITY MANAGER, AND THIS POINT AND TIME, I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE AND SPEAK FIRST ABOUT THIS.

THIS ITEM [OVERLAPPING] WAS NOT PUT ON THE CALENDAR WITH THE SIX BUSINESS DAY RULE THAT WE HAVE, NO IT WAS NOT, SIX BUSINESS DAYS ON THE CALENDAR WHICH SHOW THAT IT WOULD JUST BE DUE ON TUESDAY BEFOREHAND.

IT WAS NOT DONE TUESDAY BEFORE AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US ON OUR CALENDARS, WE RECEIVE A REMINDER THAT WE NEED TO GET OUR ITEMS TO THE CITY CLERK BY NOON ON THE TUESDAY THE WEEK BEFORE OUR COMMISSION.

IT WAS NOT DONE.

THIS ITEM IS NOT TIMELY PLACED AND IT IS ALSO MOOT BECAUSE HAPPY TO SAY THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS WITHDRAWN HIS APPLICATION.

THEREFORE, THERE IS NO NEED FOR US TO HAVE AN IDENTIFYING AND HIRING PROCESS FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER.

AT THIS TIME, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM INDEFINITELY.

>> POINT OF ORDER.

>> [INAUDIBLE] SECOND.

>> POINT OF ORDER.

>> CITY ATTORNEY?

>> CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU CLARIFY? CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT I DID SEND THIS ITEM TO YOU IN TIME FOR IT TO BE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS WHY IT IS ON THE AGENDA?

>> YEAH. I'LL ANSWER THAT.

LET ME ANSWER IT THIS WAY AS I DO NOT WISH TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DEBATE.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE TWO THINGS OCCURRING HERE.

COMMISSIONER GELIN, YOU SUBMITTED IT BY WEDNESDAY, WHICH HAS TRADITIONALLY CONSISTENTLY BEEN THE TIME THAT WE ACCEPT THAT THAT'S THE DEADLINE CUTOFF FOR YOUR ITEMS AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT.

I WAS PROVIDED WITH A LINK TO A WEBSITE WHICH PROVIDES FOR WHAT THE EXACT DAYS SHOULD BE AND THEY SHOULD BE TUESDAY.

TECHNICALLY, IT SHOULD BE TUESDAY, THE CUTOFF SHOULD BE TUESDAY, NOT WEDNESDAY.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED AND I'VE SAID THIS CONSISTENTLY, WHAT YOU SUBMITTED WAS TIMELY AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED AND IT WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA AS REQUESTED.

THE MAYOR HAS PROVIDED A LINK THAT SHOWS THAT OUR PROCEDURE, I THINK IS WRONG AND THAT THE DEADLINE TRULY DOES NEED TO BE SIX BUSINESS DAYS.

IT WOULD BE TUESDAY.

WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE DEADLINE IS.

AS I EXPLAINED TO THE MAYOR WHO SAID I WAS WRONG, I SAID, WELL, OKAY, CONSISTENTLY RIGHT, CONSISTENTLY WRONG, AT LEAST CONSISTENTLY WE FOLLOWED WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE PROPER RULE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY EITHER ONE OF YOU IS WRONG OR EITHER ONE OF YOU IS RIGHT.

BUT WE NEED TO CLARIFY FOR THE COMMISSION WHAT THE ACTUAL SIX BUSINESS DATE DEADLINE IS.

>> THE CUSTOM AND PRACTICE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WE PROVIDE YOU WITH A [OVERLAPPING] ITEM, ON WEDNESDAY.

>> POINT OF ORDER.

>> I'M TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM USING CUSTOM IN PRACTICE COMMISSIONER GELIN AS A STATEMENT.

BUT [OVERLAPPING] CONSISTENTLY, WE HAVE ACCEPTED AGENDA ITEMS WITHIN THE DEADLINE THAT YOU GAVE IT.

>> BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN AS A POINT OF ORDER, THOSE OF US WHO KNOW THAT SIX BUSINESS DAYS IS TUESDAY AND IT IS MARKED ON ALL OF OUR CALENDARS AND WE GET LITTLE TASK REMINDERS, THE WEEK BEFORE TO REMIND US [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE ON ALL OF OUR CALENDARS.

IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED THAT SOME OF US HAVE NOT BROUGHT FORTH

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ITEMS KNOWING THAT THE RULE SAY IT IS THE TUESDAY BEFOREHAND.

BUT THERE'S BEEN AN ERROR IN PROCESSING AND COUNTING THE TIME DOES NOT MEAN IT SHOULD CONTINUE.

AGAIN, RIGHT NOW AT THIS TIME, THERE'S A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

IT HAS BEEN SECONDED. CITY CLERK JUST CALL THE ROLL.

>> THERE WAS NEVER A MOTION TO TABLE.

>> YES THERE WAS.

>> YOU ASKED FOR A SUGGESTION FOR A MOTION TO TABLE.

YOU SAID AT THIS POINT, [OVERLAPPING].

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

>> THERE'S A SECOND. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MAYOR GOMEZ?

>> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR, VILLALOBOS?

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GELIN?

>> NO.

>> MR. BOLTON?

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER PLACKO?

>> YES.

>> THE MOTION PASSES THREE TO TWO.

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

IT IS 11:49 PM.

GET HOME SAFELY IF YOU'RE ALREADY HOME. PLEASANT DREAMS.

>> I'M NOT A PUPPET.

>> SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS. [NOISE]

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.